and (b) practical to set up an automatically
> updating table (ideally for use in Wikipedia but pulling from Wikidata)
> that would allow the Black Lunch Table Project initiative on Wikipedia to
> automate and customize their Task List -- which is somewhat massive.[2]
>
> Heather
the Zika corpus project at WikiCite 2016,[1] I wanted to see
>> if it was (a) possible and (b) practical to set up an automatically
>> updating table (ideally for use in Wikipedia but pulling from Wikidata)
>> that would allow the Black Lunch Table Project initiative on Wikipedia to
ng of pages.
>
> I was also thinking that this sort of functionality would be helpful for
> other initiatives -- maybe also Art+Feminism -- so this process might be
> transferrable for others too.
>
> Goal: To automate the task list process somewhat.
>
> And at minimum would be a go
;>
>>
>>> On 5 Feb 2017, at 09:51, Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Wikidatans,
>>>
>>> Inspired by the Zika corpus project at WikiCite 2016,[1] I wanted to see if
>>> it was (a) possible and (b) pract
would have strongly advocated for this. A need for task list automation is
something that I have been made aware of only recently via the Black Lunch
Table Project. It is a great opportunity to be pro-Wikidata -- to get more
people involved in Wikidata from the Wikipedia side, I think.
Best
having such property that is NOT synced with Wikipedias, for
project purposes like
yours (Black Lunch Table) and mine (Europeana Food and Drink, European
Holocaust Research Infrastructure).
WD does have a bunch of over-specific categoreies, e.g. “people
born/died/buried here”. See
s on only 1 day ?
> Are there multiple Black Lunch Table Events around the nation...are they
> "hosted by" someone, sometime, somelocation ?
> ...
> see where I am getting at ?
> You 1st need to understand and properly state in Wikidata what "Black
> Lunch Table"
LUNCH
> TABLE item.
>
> Things to think about:
> Was the Artist a "part of" the Black Lunch Table organization ?
> Did the Artist "attend" one of the Black Lunch Table events on only 1 day ?
> Are there multiple Black Lunch Table Events around the nation...are
t;part of" with the BLACK LUNCH TABLE
>> item.
>>
>> Things to think about:
>> Was the Artist a "part of" the Black Lunch Table organization ?
>> Did the Artist "attend" one of the Black Lunch Table events on only 1 day ?
>> Are there multip
operty that is NOT synced with Wikipedias,
for project purposes like
yours (Black Lunch Table) and mine (Europeana Food and Drink, European
Holocaust Research Infrastructure).
WD does have a bunch of over-specific categories, e.g. “people
born/died/buried here”. See
https://tools.wmflabs.org/sqid/#/
to
Black Lunch Table. The category seems to be functioning in the same way, not
very different.
One other question: is the task list on Listeria usable on Wikipedia pages, or
does it need to live in Wikidata's area?
Thanks again for your help.
- Erika
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Vladi
t;> blue linked articles that still need development? Both blue and red links?
>>
>> I'm sorry I didn't take a more active part in the Community Wishlist Survey.
>> I would have strongly advocated for this. A need for task list automation is
>> something that I have b
esults?
Did you add it as “item’s main category”? That’s incorrect, since that’s
inverse of “category’s main item”,
and a category is supposed to have a single main item (e.g. page France vs
category France).
> I'm confused because the other suggestion was to tag items as of interest t
Hoi,
What we use is "catalog" "Black Lunch Table". It has qualifiers for the
place of the editathon. This allows us to subset the data. We only maintain
the data once. We have subsets for women only and for the people near
Toronto..
As to the data; it is maintained in Wiki
Hi there,
I need to do a Wikidata query of the Black Lunch Table task list that
includes location-specific faceted searching:
So for the upcoming Boston event, would like to be able to search by
- residence (P551)
- place of birth (P19)
- place of death (P20)
- educated at (P69)
and maybe
o do a Wikidata query of the Black Lunch Table task list that
> includes location-specific faceted searching:
>
> So for the upcoming Boston event, would like to be able to search by
> - residence (P551)
> - place of birth (P19)
> - place of death (P20)
> - educated at (P69)
> a
Oh my. Yes!
Was it difficult to construct? I haven't run many queries yet.
Grateful thanks for this! I will show it to Heather from Black Lunch Table.
Heather and I did a Wikidata intensive last Saturday that went really well --
she totally got it and I'm hopeful the work will be very
ou how it works modifying an existing query ( cats ).
Cheers,
Jonas
2017-04-09 2:25 GMT+02:00 Erika Herzog aka BrillLyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com
>:
> Oh my. Yes!
>
> Was it difficult to construct? I haven't run many queries yet.
>
> Grateful thanks for this! I will show it
d%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20%7D%0A%7D
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>
> 2017-04-08 3:39 GMT+02:00 Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I need to do a Wikidata query of the Black Lunch Table task list that
>> includes locatio
aram%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20%7D%0A%7D
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>
> 2017-04-08 3:39 GMT+02:00 Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I need to do a Wikidata query of the Black Lunch Table task list that
>> includes location-specific f
dt%3AP551%20%3Fresidence%
>> 20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP69%20%
>> 3Feducation%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%
>> 20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20%7D%0A%7D
>>
>> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>>
>> 2017-04-08 3:39 GMT
%20wd%3AQ28781198%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%
>>> 20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP21%20%3Fgender%20%7D%0A%20%
>>> 20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20%3Foccupation%
>>> 20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP19%20%
>>> 3FplaceBirth%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%
dt%3AP21%20%3Fgender%20%7D%0A%20%
>>> 20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20%3Foccupation%
>>> 20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP19%20%
>>> 3FplaceBirth%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%
>>> 20wdt%3AP20%20%3FplaceDeath%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%
bel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%
>>>> 20wdt%3AP972%20wd%3AQ28781198%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%
>>>> 3Fitem%20wdt%3AP21%20%3Fgender%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONA
>>>> L%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20%3Foccupation%20%7D%
>>>> 0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20
Like others in this thread, I would caution *against* overloading P31
"instance of" if possible.
When a somewhat similar issue came up, re how to artists that were of
interest the the "Black Lunch Table" project
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q28781198 that works on coverag
Hoi,
I "abuse" the property catalog for some time now just to get this effect.
I use it to identify items that are part of a project like the "Black Lunch
Table". It works really well it is used for instance to identify in
queries; by associating it with a location,
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> I "abuse" the property catalog for some time now just to get this effect. I
> use it to identify items that are part of a project like the "Black Lunch
> Table". It works really well it is used for instance to identify in
at were of
interest the the "Black Lunch Table" project
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q28781198 that works on coverage of visual
artists of the African diaspora, the solution adopted (after quite a
vigorous debate at Project Chat) was to use property P972 "catalog" with
the v
In addition to the Black Lunch Table project, which focuses on Visual
artists from the African Diaspora, that James mentions below -- the GLAM
projects for Colección Patricia Phelps de Cisneros ("CPPC") and WIKIarte,
which focus on Latin American art, are both using the catalog P9
So User:Multichill has taken it upon himself to delete all of the catalog
entries for the Black Lunch Table. One of the first if not only successful
implementations of Wikidata as a task list for Wikipedia.
There are other initiatives also using catalog, which I assume will also be
deleted
22=revision=616257669=517374868
Jane
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So User:Multichill has taken it upon himself to delete all of the catalog
> entries for the Black Lunch Table. One of the first if not only successful
> implementati
Wikidata it has been noted that the practices
around constraints are preventing diversity... The issue is also about
trust and purpose. When a well established organisation like the Black
Lunch Table uses Wikidata, they can use Listeria lists to produce lists for
upcoming editathons. They use query
diversity... The issue is also about
trust and purpose. When a well established organisation like the Black
Lunch Table uses Wikidata, they can use Listeria lists to produce lists for
upcoming editathons. They use query to monitor the development of new
articles and information for past editathons.
"relatedness" or "tagging" is typically handled generically in Wikidata
through the use of "part of" and "has part" properties.
They work terrifically well to apply some generic classification needs such
as those of the Black Lunch Table efforts.
So, an a
e
Are the topics needing some "tagging" for classification sometimes more
than persons ? if so, mark them as "part of" -> "Q28781198" Black Lunch
Table
-Thad
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cipant of" ->
>> "Q28781198" Black Lunch Table
>> Are the topics needing some "tagging" for classification sometimes more
>> than persons ? if so, mark them as "part of" -> "Q28781198" Black Lunch
>> Table
>>
>>
So this is for internal classification only ?
Wouldn't it be useful to think of the approach that I mentioned to help
externally as well and show relationships ?
For instance, I'd like to know that a particular artist was part of the
Black Lunch Table. That's useful information, no ?
-Thad
And you simply add need to add a statement (whatever that is) under
"Q28781198" Black Lunch Table that is has a Wikidata project page.
Pretty simple and solves both uses. The modeling can be drastically
simplified. Use Topics themselves more often. I see this problem that we
don'
"relatedness" or "tagging" is typically handled generically in Wikidata
> through the use of "part of" and "has part" properties.
> They work terrifically well to apply some generic classification needs
> such as those of the Black Lunch Table
OK thanks Gerard for clarifying.
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:01 PM Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hoi,
> Neither is valid. Artists recognised by the Black Lunch Table are subject
> of the attention to write articles in (a) Wikipedia. They do no
s ? if so, mark them as "participant of" ->
>> "Q28781198" Black Lunch Table
>> Are the topics needing some "tagging" for classification sometimes more
>> than persons ? if so, mark them as "part of" -> "Q28781198" Black Lunch
>> Table
>>
>> -Thad
>>
>>
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handled generically in Wikidata
>>> through the use of "part of" and "has part" properties.
>>> They work terrifically well to apply some generic classification needs
>>> such
>>> as those of the Black Lunch Table efforts.
>>>
>>&
It implies that
there is no list. The Listeria list is prepared as a result of the work
done on Wikidata.
So no, we do not publish a catalog somewhere.
What we end up with is trust. The question is, do we trust recognised
organisations like the Black Lunch Table, the Smithsonian, the library of
the botani
t;
>>> Better to use P4570, or a new bespoke property, since the things these
>>> people are being tagged to be part of, or participants in, like "Black
>>> Lunch Table", are not external real-world things, but internal wiki-world
>>> projects.
>>>
&g
he rest of your email is irrelevant to using the property for "catalog"
> on person items on Wikidata when there is no catalog. Please just publish
> the catalog somewhere and then link to it from your "Black Lunch Table"
> item. If you don't have a catalog and the p
maintain a distinction between the two -- it helps to avoid the confusion that has been the root of the issue with P972.
-- James.
On 04/01/2018 16:10, Thad Guidry wrote:
"relatedness" or "tagging" is typically handled generically in Wikidata
through the use of "
oncerns.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> - Erika
>>>
>>> *Erika Herzog*
>>> Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:21 AM, James Heald <jpm.he...
n.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes to exactly this part of your email: "Gerard and I thought we had
>>> consensus on this, but apparently not. We need t
class it as an Event to Wikidata (we already have
"Black Lunch Table")
2. Add the "participant of" statement on each artist or participant at the
event.
3. If you want more detail about each particular Roundtable event / meetup
itself, then use qualifiers for that ? Although not all of th
t my suggestion of
> "participant of" is a really nice fit for this use case. A few things are
> needed to make it comfortable for all.
>
> 1. Add a new topic in Wikipedia called "Black Lunch Table Artist Roundtable"
> and subclass it as an Event to Wikida
Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes to exactly this part of your email: "Gerard and I thought we had
>> consensus on this, but apparently not. We need to find some solution that
>> will address all concerns."
>> The rest of your
:BrillLyle>*
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes to exactly this part of your email: "Gerard and I thought we had
>>> consensus on this, but apparently not. We need to find some solution t
, I believe it is worth spelling out exactly what the
nature of the problem is, especially since I think every one is aware of
the good faith nature of the Black Lunch Table, and presumably aligned in
the goal of making Wikidata better.
I'm replying to Jane's email because this seems like
,
generations of royalty, the scaffolding by means of the "catalog" property.
One additional thing to consider; in a "scholarly paper" about Wikidata it
was mentioned that the implementation of constraints had an dampening
effect on the diversity of Wikidata. With the full fro
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:21 AM, James Heald <jpm.he...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Better to use P4570, or a new bespoke property, s
nd I thought we had consensus on this, but apparently not. We need
>>>> to find some solution that will address all concerns.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>
>>>> - Erika
>>>>
>>>> Erika Herzog
>>&g
roject. People seem to be in the
hand curated list and in the Listeria list. Clicking around I found
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20011585 which seems to indicate that you
had a Black Lunch Table meetup on 9 december 2017 at " The 8th Floor"
and judging from
https://en.wi
e shopping lists for the BLT project. People seem to be in the
hand curated list and in the Listeria list. Clicking around I found
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20011585 which seems to indicate that you
had a Black Lunch Table meetup on 9 december 2017 at " The 8th Floor"
and judging from
On 6 January 2018 at 01:34, Charles Horn <charles.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As a relatively recent contributor to Wikidata, I have been struggling to
> understand the objections to the Black Lunch Table's use of the catalog
> property and the points of view behind this discussion.
al parties are all there is to justify the creation of new
items in Wikidata. Mix'n'Match is full of them .. So given that that
argument does not hold, we are left with the Black Lunch Table. We are left
with diversity.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 January 2018 at 14:05, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsont
y not be as intimately familliar with some P and
> Q items as others, I believe it is worth spelling out exactly what the
> nature of the problem is, especially since I think every one is aware of
> the good faith nature of the Black Lunch Table, and presumably aligned in
> the goal of
Hi LeadSongDog,
Yes that is an article that is part of the press list that the Black Lunch
Table has generated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Black_Lunch_Table/Press
Again, not a huge fan of using refs to justify an outreach initiative. Plus
would it be necessary to use this ref
m to be in the hand curated list and
> in the Listeria list. Clicking around I found
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20011585 which seems to indicate that you
> had a Black Lunch Table meetup on 9 december 2017 at " The 8th Floor" and
> judging from https://en.wikipedia.org/wi
, partial
projects, etc. Just like Black Lunch Table is doing now. The solution was
introducing a very simple idea of a "namespace". Everyone and every
project could have their own slice of Freebase and anyone could ask
permission from the namespace owner to help edit or curate. Our sear
yle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi LeadSongDog,
>
> Yes that is an article that is part of the press list that the Black Lunch
> Table has generated
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Black_Lunch_Table/Press
>
> Again, not a huge fan of using refs
s an article that is part of the press list that the Black Lunch
> Table has generated
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Black_Lunch_Table/Press
>
> Again, not a huge fan of using refs to justify an outreach initiative.
> Plus would it be necessary to use this
e to begin storing their data
> collection. Freebase had the same worries. And we solved it quite easily
> and built up a wonderful community of lists, data in the making, partial
> projects, etc. Just like Black Lunch Table is doing now. The solution was
> introducing a very
context of establishing
> wikidatan notability?
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi LeadSongDog,
>
> Yes that is an article that is part of the press list that the Black Lunch
> Table has generated
> https://en
int 1. Point 2 and 3 are
>> for the BLT community to solve.
>>
>> Point 3 is probably the hardest one. On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> Wikipedia:Meetup/Black_Lunch_Table/Lists_of_Articles I found the
>> shopping lists for the BLT project. People seem to be
(including
qualifiers) for another. It should also be easier to appreciate how
Wikidata is used by the Black Lunch Table and others for preparing for
editathons, the selection of subjects for new Wikipedia articles. Remember,
the development of data for the items involved is documented; they started
w
monstrate it (or
please join our effort and improve it yourself!)"
> > It seems clear that the Black Lunch Table Wiki Project has a list of
> artists
> > they are interested in, so I consider that the Black Lunch Table catalog
> is
> > real thing.
>
> Does it meet our notability r
n more important. Heather and Jina (who
> founded BLT) will then vet this list and create Wikidata items, tagging
> them as BLT, location, date (to add to a Listeria task list) and begin the
> process of establishing notability on Wikidata in preparation for Wikipedia
> articles
> - BL
gt; there is no list. The Listeria list is prepared as a result of the work
> done on Wikidata.
>
> So no, we do not publish a catalog somewhere.
>
> What we end up with is trust. The question is, do we trust recognised
> organisations like the Black Lunch Table, the Smithsonia
o evidence :)
>
>
>
>> - BLT-tagged items are typically curated with the assistance of the
>> institution hosting the event, who have expertise in the local and regional
>> artist community, and can provide BLT with a list of underrepresented
>> visual artists from
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