[FairfieldLife] Female Russian(?) 'taters have...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! Whoops, there goes Shemp, lying a blue streak again. BTW, I predict that if Barry responds, he'll remember the discussion exactly the way Shemp does. Folie a deux, anyone? Barry's not reading your stuff. He has to read a response to you before he responds... Lawson. Why would Barry have to read a post of mine to know what's in a post from Shemp? My point is that he'll back Shemp up, even though he knows Shemp's lying, because Shemp is attacking me. Politics is always interesting to watch... So is insanity. Like the kind of person who has to imagine that people are attacking her and lying about her so that she can avoid dealing with the fact that they're saying what they really believe. It's always astounded me how absolutely *incapable* this person is of hearing any view of herself other than her own. If anyone has a different view of who she is, it's always because they didn't read her perfect language properly, or because they're LYING. The possibility that they're saying what they really believe never enters the equation. Recently she did this with pretty much the entirety of FFL. Several people...I counted eight in all...told her what they honestly thought of her and her abusive tactics. What *she* thought happened is that a few people had LIED about her and the rest were somehow taken in. Like I said, insanity. I'll let her act it out with Shemp by herself, thanks... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. The entire story, in 12 words, and handled with compassion in five more. Can't do better than that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? The tactic is certainly familiar from our alt.m.t days. ...and we're off to the races. Billie throws down her gauntlet. And again, you seem to be having a little trouble discerning just who has thrown down the gauntlet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! Whoops, there goes Shemp, lying a blue streak again. BTW, I predict that if Barry responds, he'll remember the discussion exactly the way Shemp does. Folie a deux, anyone? Barry's not reading your stuff. He has to read a response to you before he responds... Lawson. Why would Barry have to read a post of mine to know what's in a post from Shemp? My point is that he'll back Shemp up, even though he knows Shemp's lying, because Shemp is attacking me. Politics is always interesting to watch... So is insanity. Like the kind of person who has to imagine that people are attacking her and lying about her so that she can avoid dealing with the fact that they're saying what they really believe. Just as I predicted. No, in fact Shemp was lying. If you go back and read the exchange he's referring to, you'll see that quite clearly. But you won't, because that would cause gasp COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, and we can't have that, can we? It's always astounded me how absolutely *incapable* this person is of hearing any view of herself other than her own. If anyone has a different view of who she is, it's always because they didn't read her perfect language properly, or because they're LYING. The possibility that they're saying what they really believe never enters the equation. And that's also a lie, sorry. You were on alt.m.t with me for 10 years. You know that isn't so. It's pretty much so of *you*, because you read into what I say what you would like me to have said so you can take a shot at me; and of course that's also the case with others you argue with. You've been called on it more times than I can count, by me and many, many others. Recently she did this with pretty much the entirety of FFL. Several people...I counted eight in all...told her what they honestly thought of her and her abusive tactics. What *she* thought happened is that a few people had LIED about her and the rest were somehow taken in. Not what I said, nor what I thought happened. Perfect example. Thanks for proving my point. Like I said, insanity. I'll let her act it out with Shemp by herself, thanks... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Were you supposed to be monitoring it, or were you supposed to meditate and act, meditate and act, and allow it to develop spontaneously without having to keep track of it? Thanks Judy, now I understand. I must have missed this point made clear in the 3 days checking, which I taught. That clears it all up for me. Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? The tactic is certainly familiar from our alt.m.t days. ...and we're off to the races. Billie throws down her gauntlet. And again, you seem to be having a little trouble discerning just who has thrown down the gauntlet. Go home and get your shine box. (that's 7 words) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] this time a celebrity has it right
This is classic Free-Market Economics: when a government gives its farmers subsidies it increases supply and thereby decreases price. The ones that are hurt most are the Third World farmers who are NOT getting subsidies and are getting LESS for their product. --- Bono Attacks American Stance On Cotton Trade Irish rocker Bono has hit out at America's stance on the cotton trade during his visit to Mali, the latest stop on his African tour. The singer visited cotton farmers in the north-western African country and promised to fight their case at the new World Trade Organization (WTO) summit. He says, There are cotton farmers in America who need to meet you. This is my biggest desire because I think they will understand you better because I think American cotton farmers would respect how you work the land so well with little water. The reason you don't get more for your cotton is because world trade talks, the people who are sitting at the table, do not respect your situation. We will try to represent you in the trade talks where they won't let you sit. Bono criticized America for handing out $4.2 billion in subsidies to its cotton farmers in 2004-2005. He believes these payments depress the international cotton market and ruin African economies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. So why are they fighting? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p...] Can one be falsely inspired and uplifted? Many proclamations, initiatives and themes of the TMO inspired many us in the past. At least some now seem empty -- a false inspiration. Inspired by a phantom, a vacuum, by something of little substance. Of course, all inspiration comes from Nothing, according to some traditions... Moreover, inspiration doesn't require that the one who inspires us is valid. A pretty painting of a sunset can be inspiring. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/22/06 7:13:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, shempmcgurk@ writes: What's the traditional way? Mixing the spices clockwise instead of counter-clockwise? Or perhaps its how I saw TrigunaJi's teenage apprentice mix the concoctions that I bought at his outdoor clinic in Dehli: lay down a bunch of squares cut from the Times of India newspaper, take jars of dirt (or whatever it is he put in his mixtures) and spill them out over the newspaper squares, and then fold up the pieces of newspaper into little packets (which I was then told to take with a glass of water each day). The key here is, if your taking herbs for depression, those squares of news paper must be the funnies. Truth is stranger than fiction: a friend of mine was prescribed reading the funny papers by TriGunaJi. Is he the guy that Chopra mentions in _Return of the Rishi_? I'm not familiar with that book...what are you referring to? Actually, now that I think on it, I don't think it was Chopra's book where I encountered this. Some guy at MIU once told me that Triguna recommended that he read funny books as in comic books... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. So why are they fighting? Because Curtis obviously has a life and is happy, and probably spent the last ten years without ever thinking of Judy even *once*, and Judy is going insane over that. She would have preferred that he hold on to the past and to a grudge the way she does, and want to continue fighting, and thus interacting with her. It's an example of what we used to call in another spiritual trip attention vampires. They *feed* off of the attention of others. And they don't care what the nature of that attention is or how they get it. The fight, as you put it, consists of Judy waving her cape and trying to look fearsome, and Curtis laughing at her and walking off, leaving the old, toothless vampire to go home to her dank, dark coffin hungry. Good for him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. So why are they fighting? Because Curtis obviously has a life and is happy, and probably spent the last ten years without ever thinking of Judy even *once*, and Judy is going insane over that. She would have preferred that he hold on to the past and to a grudge the way she does, and want to continue fighting, and thus interacting with her. It's an example of what we used to call in another spiritual trip attention vampires. They *feed* off of the attention of others. And they don't care what the nature of that attention is or how they get it. The fight, as you put it, consists of Judy waving her cape and trying to look fearsome, and Curtis laughing at her and walking off, leaving the old, toothless vampire to go home to her dank, dark coffin hungry. Good for him. Walking off means to put her in a killfile or otherwise ignore her, NOT to continue responding to her posts (directly or indirectly). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
I think the key here is simple authenticity regardless if the experience is good or bad, pleasant or unpleasant. Most spiritual movements like the TMO generate an atmosphere of subtle (and at times not so subtle) moodmaking that denies one's simple experience if it is not in accord with the movement's dogma. --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorguiseB writes snipped: Diggin' in the dirt looking for the cause of darkness is fine if that's your predilection in life, but I've had remarkable success with just turning on the light, and I'm not going to write that experience off just because others haven't. Tom T: I guess I have not made myself clear. What I am alluding to is that there a great number of people in this town and some here on FFlife that have both arms extended full length trying desparately to not look at or engage in dealing with major issues. They don't have to go digging in the dirt it is all around them and piling up deeper with every passing second. It is sometimes phrased as Sh*t happens. The extent one is in denial is what I am driving at. Anything out there outside of me that can fix all these problems is not going to get anything to happen. When one finally gives in the actual dealing with the issue takes about 5% of ones energy while it took almost all the energy to remain indenial. The amount of energy expended in defending a position or holding off the ultimate disaster is tons more energy then it takes to let go and get it done. In the end it will have you either way, why bother avoiding it. You will either deal with your sh*t before you wake up or most assuredly after. Enjoy.Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one�click away.� Make Yahoo! your home page�now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
On May 24, 2006, at 3:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! Whoops, there goes Shemp, lying a blue streak again. BTW, I predict that if Barry responds, he'll remember the discussion exactly the way Shemp does. Folie a deux, anyone? Barry's not reading your stuff. He has to read a response to you before he responds... Lawson. Why would Barry have to read a post of mine to know what's in a post from Shemp? My point is that he'll back Shemp up, even though he knows Shemp's lying, because Shemp is attacking me. Politics is always interesting to watch... So is insanity. Like the kind of person who has to imagine that people are attacking her and lying about her so that she can avoid dealing with the fact that they're saying what they really believe. Just as I predicted. You should get a 1-900 number. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
On May 23, 2006, at 5:03 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Sure pass it on. It'd be nice to pass on to others interested in the phenomenon of Vedic Creation Science and Vedic Intelligent Design. The sad thing is, the movement is in decline for a while now and it is probably unlikely therefore that someone will do research on this in any detailed sort of way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
On May 23, 2006, at 5:06 PM, sparaig wrote: Insomuch as humans show the same patterns of behavior in every society, the analogy with Christian Fundamentalism may be useful. However, since Hinduism is usually a far more flexable and accomidating religion or set-of-religions than Christianity traditionally has been (for instance, there's no Nicene Creed test for Hindus as far as I know), the analogy can only go so far. The reasons it would be important would be the same or very similar reasons it was important to question teaching intelligent design in our schools. In other words, it raises the question 'should Hindutva based initiatives be allowed to teach Vedic Intelligent Design in the public school system of India?' Of course that's probably already what's happening at schools like the Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment--it's just that they hide behind buzz-phrases like The Science of Creative Intelligence. And of course as anyone who has heard even a fraction of the 100's of hours of rambling on about Quantum mechanics, the Rig Veda, Vedic literature, the sequential unfolding of creation, etc., etc. should be able to immediately sense the relevance. A Christian Intelligent Design curriculum is doing basically the same thing, except they're not waxing Quantum on Agnim ile...but using Bereshith/Genesis instead. You say Rig Veda, I say Genesis...it's a similar spiel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the key here is simple authenticity regardless if the experience is good or bad, pleasant or unpleasant. Most spiritual movements like the TMO generate an atmosphere of subtle (and at times not so subtle) moodmaking that denies one's simple experience if it is not in accord with the movement's dogma. I completely agree. I just don't believe that the diggin' in the dirt approach is the only way this cognitive dissonance can be resolved. Presenting it *as* the only way to people who entrenched in what we might call denial but that they might call reality is a sure-fire way of *prolonging* the entrenchment, not removing it. It rarely works. Nor does presenting a solution that we know the entrenched are going to consider off the program. Rory tried for a while to present simple alter- natives to some people here, and all that happened was that some of those people just got angrier and more entrenched. So he wisely (IMO) gave it up. The Internet, whatever else it may be, is NOT a suitable forum for satsang, or for any style of teaching that requires the student to perceive the overall vibe of the teacher and respond to it. The vibe just doesn't make it through the preconceptions, IMO, and in my experience the preconceptions not only almost always win, they get further entrenched. Those who these well- meaning people are trying to do a favor for often look upon the favor as a personal attack. I've seen a great deal of heartfelt authenticity here reacted to as if it were a slap in the face, a simple, non-off-the-program suggestion like Feel the body being considered and reacted to as if it were a mortal insult. So what can ya do? --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorguiseB writes snipped: Diggin' in the dirt looking for the cause of darkness is fine if that's your predilection in life, but I've had remarkable success with just turning on the light, and I'm not going to write that experience off just because others haven't. Tom T: I guess I have not made myself clear. What I am alluding to is that there a great number of people in this town and some here on FFlife that have both arms extended full length trying desparately to not look at or engage in dealing with major issues. They don't have to go digging in the dirt it is all around them and piling up deeper with every passing second. It is sometimes phrased as Sh*t happens. The extent one is in denial is what I am driving at. Anything out there outside of me that can fix all these problems is not going to get anything to happen. When one finally gives in the actual dealing with the issue takes about 5% of ones energy while it took almost all the energy to remain indenial. The amount of energy expended in defending a position or holding off the ultimate disaster is tons more energy then it takes to let go and get it done. In the end it will have you either way, why bother avoiding it. You will either deal with your sh*t before you wake up or most assuredly after. Enjoy.Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy more of it as well that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now if Wal- mart could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well. The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal- Mart attempts to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over the past 15 years. snip +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle class to exist? N. +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China produced by underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS. Underpaid by American standards; overpaid by Chinese standards. Slave labor: such a comment is an insult to the whole history of slavery, demeans it and should not be dignified by a response. +++ You are right-my apologies- I was thinking convict labor which was a beef with union people. How do you see it if you have a small business and find you are competing with someone with a non-profit front-your prices would be a bit higher to be able to survive but is it fair that you get pushed out of business? I've heard of those incidents in American prisons where some Warden gets the idea that the prisoners should make products and compete with the outside market. Of course, it is entirely unfair because both the labor and the overhead are subsidized by the government. No, it is not fair. +++ On a large scale, isn't China, with their labor advantage, aided by Wall-Mart, going to put us out of business or at least make a serious dent in our economy? N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I didn't find your comment challenging. Your condescending comment reveals your intentions. Good luck with that agenda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Just curious, Curtis, is this the way you meet all challenges in your life? Or just challenges relating to TM? Curtis, You're kind of like Bruce Lee with these verbal manuevers. Her punches are just sliding off. So why are they fighting? Because Curtis obviously has a life and is happy, and probably spent the last ten years without ever thinking of Judy even *once*, and Judy is going insane over that. False. She would have preferred that he hold on to the past and to a grudge the way she does, and want to continue fighting, and thus interacting with her. Knowingly and maliciously false. It's an example of what we used to call in another spiritual trip attention vampires. They *feed* off of the attention of others. And they don't care what the nature of that attention is or how they get it. Barry Wright, Master of Projection. The fight, as you put it, consists of Judy waving her cape and trying to look fearsome, and Curtis laughing at her and walking off, leaving the old, toothless vampire to go home to her dank, dark coffin hungry. Good for him. snicker Doesn't Barry wish. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Internet, whatever else it may be, is NOT a suitable forum for satsang, or for any style of teaching that requires the student to perceive the overall vibe of the teacher and respond to it. The vibe just doesn't make it through the preconceptions, IMO, and in my experience the preconceptions not only almost always win, they get further entrenched. Those who these well- meaning people are trying to do a favor for often look upon the favor as a personal attack. I've seen a great deal of heartfelt authenticity here reacted to as if it were a slap in the face, a simple, non-off-the-program suggestion like Feel the body being considered and reacted to as if it were a mortal insult. So what can ya do? Speaking of a vibe not making it through the preconceptions... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Internet, whatever else it may be, is NOT a suitable forum for satsang, or for any style of teaching that requires the student to perceive the overall vibe of the teacher and respond to it. The vibe just doesn't make it through the preconceptions, IMO, and in my experience the preconceptions not only almost always win, they get further entrenched. Those who these well- meaning people are trying to do a favor for often look upon the favor as a personal attack. I've seen a great deal of heartfelt authenticity here reacted to as if it were a slap in the face, a simple, non-off-the-program suggestion like Feel the body being considered and reacted to as if it were a mortal insult. So what can ya do? Speaking of a vibe not making it through the preconceptions... Jesus F*cking Christ! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 5:03 PM, sparaig wrote: snip There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Sure pass it on. It'd be nice to pass on to others interested in the phenomenon of Vedic Creation Science and Vedic Intelligent Design. http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/drcoplin/ However, the parts of the dissertation that Coplin has on the Web don't address MMY's Vedic Science per se. And again, what Nanda calls Vedic Creationism does not appear to be what MMY teaches in that it doesn't propose to replace Darwinian evolution with 'devolution' from the original one-ness with Brahman (key word being replace). As to Vedic Intelligent Design, that's your phrase, not hers. I've addressed it in another post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The Internet, whatever else it may be, is NOT a suitable forum for satsang, or for any style of teaching that requires the student to perceive the overall vibe of the teacher and respond to it. The vibe just doesn't make it through the preconceptions, IMO, and in my experience the preconceptions not only almost always win, they get further entrenched. Those who these well- meaning people are trying to do a favor for often look upon the favor as a personal attack. I've seen a great deal of heartfelt authenticity here reacted to as if it were a slap in the face, a simple, non-off-the-program suggestion like Feel the body being considered and reacted to as if it were a mortal insult. So what can ya do? Speaking of a vibe not making it through the preconceptions... Jesus F*cking Christ! You think Barry's description is accurate? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 5:06 PM, sparaig wrote: Insomuch as humans show the same patterns of behavior in every society, the analogy with Christian Fundamentalism may be useful. However, since Hinduism is usually a far more flexable and accomidating religion or set-of-religions than Christianity traditionally has been (for instance, there's no Nicene Creed test for Hindus as far as I know), the analogy can only go so far. The reasons it would be important would be the same or very similar reasons it was important to question teaching intelligent design in our schools. In other words, it raises the question 'should Hindutva based initiatives be allowed to teach Vedic Intelligent Design in the public school system of India?' Of course that's probably already what's happening at schools like the Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment--it's just that they hide behind buzz-phrases like The Science of Creative Intelligence. And of course as anyone who has heard even a fraction of the 100's of hours of rambling on about Quantum mechanics, the Rig Veda, Vedic literature, the sequential unfolding of creation, etc., etc. should be able to immediately sense the relevance. A Christian Intelligent Design curriculum is doing basically the same thing, except they're not waxing Quantum on Agnim ile...but using Bereshith/Genesis instead. You say Rig Veda, I say Genesis...it's a similar spiel. Just for the record, the concept of intelligent design had a very long and respectable history in the West before the fundamentalist Christians got hold of it. In its original version, it was in no way incompatible with science because it didn't *intersect* with science; nobody would have dreamed of advocating that it be taught *as* scientific, much less that science could prove intelligent design. It had absolutely zilch to do with Creationism. MMY's version of intelligent design is much closer to the original than the corrupted version proposed by fundamentalist Christians. To the extent that he proposes it to be scientific, it's in the sense of a science of the *subjective*. For one contemporary, entirely non-fundamentalist view of intelligent design, see: http://www.origins.org/articles/davies_templetonaddress.html This is an address given by physicist John Davies in 1995, well before the fundamentalist version of Intelligent Design had emerged. (Interestingly, it was given under the auspices of the Templeton Foundation, the same institution at which Meera Nanda is a fellow.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
Since last night 11pm or so PST, there have been 25 posts. 15 of them stem from Shemp deciding now was a good time to revisit his views of what Judy posted in January. If that one post were kept at the poster's thought level, the ensuing low value (IMO) 14 posts would have not been posted. If the 14 subsequent chain of replies were kept at the poster's thought level, then the abundant fuel (apparently of venom) would not be added to the spark of one posters momentary (hopefully) lapse of judgement and taste. This perhaps requires posters to realize just because they thought the thought, that does not necessarily make the thought valid, useful, humorous, insightful or of broad value -- that is, it may not be worth posting. If posters were less possessed / driven by the past events and percieved ego hurts, and less prone to listening to inner deep layers of preconceptions, prejudgements of posters -- and simply read each post for what is in the post itself (not myriads of past posts rattling in their brains), then discussion on FFL would be far more interesting IMO -- and not a reincarnation of a 60's type encounter group. Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of deeply embedded spirituality? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/24/06 12:29 AM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there already a silent presumption that Tolle is realized -- and thus a parallel presumption that his words are valid and/or relevant? He says he is, and speaks as though he is. Do you find the words inspiring and uplifting in-and-of-themselves --- regardless of the source of, and presumptions about, the speaker? Yes. For example, would one find the words inspiring and uplifting if the speaker was acknowledged as clearly unqualified to know anything about realization? Acknowledged by whom? You could give me a print out of his writing, without telling me who wrote it, and I would probably find it inspiring and uplifting (a better phrase might be that it brings greater clarity to my understanding, and thus my experience). If not, then wouldn't one already be making some degree of unprovable assumption about the speaker's level of consciousness? If the above is so -- that one is already making some degree of unprovable assumption -- presumbable its not a well-examined assumption. Is it a useful assumption? How would views change if the assumptions about the source were dropped? Do we tend to believe somethings from one source, but tend to disbeleive the same words from another source that we have pre-characterized, pre-judged, pegged a certain way? Same words, different source. Does the source make a difference in the value, relevance, validity and inspiration drawn from the same words? Each person might answer that differently. I answered it above. Is the opposite of Tolle's words also at least partly true? (Fully true? More true than the original statement?) If the words are both true and untrue, what is their validity and value? I suppose, but I'd find it difficult to meaningfully phrase opposites to his words. He's speaking some pretty simple and basic truths. Can one be falsely inspired and uplifted? Many proclamations, initiatives and themes of the TMO inspired many us in the past. At least some now seem empty -- a false inspiration. Inspired by a phantom, a vacuum, by something of little substance. Druva was uplifted by a clay statue of his teacher, without his teacher's knowledge. Was that false? It worked, so I guess not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
on 5/22/06 2:23 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy more of it as well that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now if Wal- mart could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well. The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over the past 15 years. Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a fly on the wall over those negotiations? Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in all of our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible to over 2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to bring down the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that. TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our MAPI products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it costs us about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20 cents per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each unit for $15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell us how we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down! This is the way MMY used to negotiate, for instance, with hotel prices. The hotel owner would name a price. MMY would make his offer. The hotel owner would come down a bit, then rather than coming up a bit to eventually meet the hotel owner in the middle, MMY would make a new offer lower than his first one. This tactic seemed to work. Maybe the hotel owner panicked and decided to take MMY's offer before it got any lower. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 5:06 PM, sparaig wrote: Insomuch as humans show the same patterns of behavior in every society, the analogy with Christian Fundamentalism may be useful. However, since Hinduism is usually a far more flexable and accomidating religion or set-of-religions than Christianity traditionally has been (for instance, there's no Nicene Creed test for Hindus as far as I know), the analogy can only go so far. The reasons it would be important would be the same or very similar reasons it was important to question teaching intelligent design in our schools. In other words, it raises the question 'should Hindutva based initiatives be allowed to teach Vedic Intelligent Design in the public school system of India?' Of course that's probably already what's happening at schools like the Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment snip MMY's version of intelligent design is much closer to the original than the corrupted version proposed by fundamentalist Christians. To the extent that he proposes it to be scientific, it's in the sense of a science of the *subjective*. Addenda: I'd be interested to know how closely the Hindutva version of intelligent design resembles MMY's version. As to whether any version should be taught in public schools, in either India or the U.S., certainly it should not be taught as scientific in the Western sense of objectively based science, because that just ain't what it *is*. And clearly it should not be taught in U.S. public schools except in the context of a survey course in philosophy, as one view among many. (The fundamentalist version should be taught only in a survey course on religion, in the unit on Christianity.) Whether and how it should be taught in Indian public schools I think should be left up to the Indians. The New Jersey appeals court case ruled against the teaching of TM/SCI, in fact, precisely because the intelligent design aspect of SCI was considered too close to a religious view for constitutional comfort (a ruling I support). One more point: the original version of intelligent design, like that proposed by physicist Paul Davies, is so abstract that it doesn't even imply a Designer. The intelligence and the design said to be found in nature may exist on their own terms, not necessarily administered through some divine Being (although the notion of a Being behind it all is not foreclosed but rather left to individual preference). (Me, I lean toward the abstract, impersonal idea of intelligent design; if this abstraction should ever become experientially personalized for me, fine, but a divine Being is not part of my belief system.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since last night 11pm or so PST, there have been 25 posts. 15 of them stem from Shemp deciding now was a good time to revisit his views of what Judy posted in January. If that one post were kept at the poster's thought level, the ensuing low value (IMO) 14 posts would have not been posted. I'm not sure what you mean by kept at the poster's thought level. Would you be willing to elaborate? For the record, I responded because the post was factually inaccurate--i.e., not just a matter of an opinion with which I disagreed. If the 14 subsequent chain of replies were kept at the poster's thought level, then the abundant fuel (apparently of venom) would not be added to the spark of one posters momentary (hopefully) lapse of judgement and taste. This perhaps requires posters to realize just because they thought the thought, that does not necessarily make the thought valid, useful, humorous, insightful or of broad value -- that is, it may not be worth posting. If posters were less possessed / driven by the past events and percieved ego hurts, and less prone to listening to inner deep layers of preconceptions, prejudgements of posters -- and simply read each post for what is in the post itself (not myriads of past posts rattling in their brains), then discussion on FFL would be far more interesting IMO -- and not a reincarnation of a 60's type encounter group. Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of deeply embedded spirituality? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
on 5/23/06 9:33 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. Experiences which can come, can also go. But understanding is much more stable, and ultimately, understanding is what gets you enlightened (keeping in mind that there's no you which gets enlightened, blah, blah). That's because it ultimately enables one to grasp (again terms are inadequate) that which is and was always there, and which is rock-solid in its stability. That's why advaita and neo-advaita teachers are so effective for so many people. Some think they offer a cop-out (you don't have to do anything; you're already enlightened) and maybe for some that's what they do. In fact, I hear of people who bought into that line for a while, and are now realizing there's still work to do, and are returning to some form of sadhana. But for those who have already done decades of sadhana, the subtle understanding these teachers may enliven can be profoundly transformational. Maybe that's not what you were getting at, but that's what came to mind when I read (and reread) your post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since last night 11pm or so PST, there have been 25 posts. 15 of them stem from Shemp deciding now was a good time to revisit his views of what Judy posted in January. If that one post were kept at the poster's thought level, the ensuing low value (IMO) 14 posts would have not been posted. If the 14 subsequent chain of replies were kept at the poster's thought level, then the abundant fuel (apparently of venom) would not be added to the spark of one posters momentary (hopefully) lapse of judgement and taste. This perhaps requires posters to realize just because they thought the thought, that does not necessarily make the thought valid, useful, humorous, insightful or of broad value -- that is, it may not be worth posting. If posters were less possessed / driven by the past events and percieved ego hurts, and less prone to listening to inner deep layers of preconceptions, prejudgements of posters -- and simply read each post for what is in the post itself (not myriads of past posts rattling in their brains), then discussion on FFL would be far more interesting IMO -- and not a reincarnation of a 60's type encounter group. Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of deeply embedded spirituality? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. Using the term spirituality here is perhaps unproductive. Its a many-meanings label (similar in the many-meanings label attributes as words like enlightenment, realized, awakened etc.). On one hand its a label whose many-meanings have the conotation to most as generally something good. The rub is that the specific connotation of the label is quite different among different folks. The attributes or features that comprise spirituality for each person are often different from (many) others. Same for something good connoting labels like enlightenment etc. The use of such labels can be rhetorical trap, a type of logical fallacy. For example, a writer or speaker may make an appeal regarding spirituality which most agree is a good thing. Having gained concensus on this, some writers will then, by an often missed slight of hand, substitute their own attributes of and connotations for spirituality, and equate these as good things as an obvious, almost a priori, fact. Same with labels such as enlightenment. So instead of falling into the trap of using a weak if not misleading rhetorical device, let me rephrase the last paragrah of my original post: Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of something good? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorguiseB writes snipped: Diggin' in the dirt looking for the cause of darkness is fine if that's your predilection in life, but I've had remarkable success with just turning on the light, and I'm not going to write that experience off just because others haven't. Tom T: I guess I have not made myself clear. What I am alluding to is that there a great number of people in this town and some here on FFlife that have both arms extended full length trying desparately to not look at or engage in dealing with major issues. They don't have to go digging in the dirt it is all around them and piling up deeper with every passing second. It is sometimes phrased as Sh*t happens. The extent one is in denial is what I am driving at. Anything out there outside of me that can fix all these problems is not going to get anything to happen. When one finally gives in the actual dealing with the issue takes about 5% of ones energy while it took almost all the energy to remain indenial. The amount of energy expended in defending a position or holding off the ultimate disaster is tons more energy then it takes to let go and get it done. In the end it will have you either way, why bother avoiding it. You will either deal with your sh*t before you wake up or most assuredly after. Enjoy.Tom Not digging in the dirt is the rationale used by many sidhas here when they move into a S-ved home as a way of solving their marital communication problems, or do a yagya as a way to treat their chronic depression or OCD, or spend half their waking life meditating trying to get over some early life emotional pain. I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, you have to go through it, and there are numerous practical approaches to doing that -- pick up a book on your problem to guide you to positive supportive groups, look into breathing techniques and bodywork which are essential for emotional pain lodged in the body, find a trusted healer who can deal directly with energy body, try doing the opposite of what you've been doing that isn't working, etc. etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
Thanks for your comments. My questions are not leading ones. I don't have a goal I am trying to lead readers to. I could answer many of the questions from different angles with different answers. But I find such questions useful in clarifying core assumptions. Even the most interesting -- those we assume are given, true a priori. A more specific response to your points later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/24/06 12:29 AM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there already a silent presumption that Tolle is realized -- and thus a parallel presumption that his words are valid and/or relevant? He says he is, and speaks as though he is. Do you find the words inspiring and uplifting in-and-of-themselves --- regardless of the source of, and presumptions about, the speaker? Yes. For example, would one find the words inspiring and uplifting if the speaker was acknowledged as clearly unqualified to know anything about realization? Acknowledged by whom? You could give me a print out of his writing, without telling me who wrote it, and I would probably find it inspiring and uplifting (a better phrase might be that it brings greater clarity to my understanding, and thus my experience). If not, then wouldn't one already be making some degree of unprovable assumption about the speaker's level of consciousness? If the above is so -- that one is already making some degree of unprovable assumption -- presumbable its not a well-examined assumption. Is it a useful assumption? How would views change if the assumptions about the source were dropped? Do we tend to believe somethings from one source, but tend to disbeleive the same words from another source that we have pre-characterized, pre-judged, pegged a certain way? Same words, different source. Does the source make a difference in the value, relevance, validity and inspiration drawn from the same words? Each person might answer that differently. I answered it above. Is the opposite of Tolle's words also at least partly true? (Fully true? More true than the original statement?) If the words are both true and untrue, what is their validity and value? I suppose, but I'd find it difficult to meaningfully phrase opposites to his words. He's speaking some pretty simple and basic truths. Can one be falsely inspired and uplifted? Many proclamations, initiatives and themes of the TMO inspired many us in the past. At least some now seem empty -- a false inspiration. Inspired by a phantom, a vacuum, by something of little substance. Druva was uplifted by a clay statue of his teacher, without his teacher's knowledge. Was that false? It worked, so I guess not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/24/06 10:15 AM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your comments. My questions are not leading ones. I don't have a goal I am trying to lead readers to. I could answer many of the questions from different angles with different answers. But I find such questions useful in clarifying core assumptions. Even the most interesting -- those we assume are given, true a priori. I appreciate your asking them. Always good to challenge assumptions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not digging in the dirt is the rationale used by many sidhas here when they move into a S-ved home as a way of solving their marital communication problems, or do a yagya as a way to treat their chronic depression or OCD, or spend half their waking life meditating trying to get over some early life emotional pain. I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, you have to go through it... Mark, it's the *absolutism* of statements like this that I'm commenting on. What you say in the last sentence above is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I and many of my friends have had severe emotional pain and trauma just fucking GO AWAY as a result of spiritual sadhana that did not require us to focus on it or go through it. Leave some room in your pronouncements for other possibilities, eh? :-) I am *NOT* saying that I don't think dealing with emotional issues is not a good thing for some people if they swing that way. But is it the ONLY way such issues can be resolved? No way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of something good? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. George Santayana said, Those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it. He was speaking of history in a broader sense, of course, but it may also be applicable to more personal history. At what point does remembering history become driven by and obsessed with it? That may not be such an easy line to draw. As we grow (or at least get older), we have an increasing body of experience through which to see, interpret, and even learn from the past. Is there ever a point at which revisiting the past in light of present understanding yields no dividends in terms of avoiding repetition of that past? If so, how do you tell when you've gotten to that point? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] entrance orientation in block of flats
A friend is buying a flat in a Victorian house just converted into three flats. The entrance to the house faces SOUTH; but the entrance to the flat faces WEST. Curious as to how bad this combination is from SV perspective.. What about the other flat with EAST-facing entrance - is it also spoilt by the southerly house entrance? Has anyone noticed much difference when moving accommodation between properties with different orientations, anyway? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: Since last night 11pm or so PST, there have been 25 posts. 15 of them stem from Shemp deciding now was a good time to revisit hiskeep it views of what Judy posted in January. If that one post were kept at the poster's thought level, the ensuing low value (IMO) 14 posts would have not been posted. I'm not sure what you mean by kept at the poster's thought level. Would you be willing to elaborate? I simply meant to keep the thought to themselves. Just because someone has a thought does not make it golden. Just having it does not necessarily make the thought valid, useful, humorous, insightful or of broad value. It does not make it worth posting. For example, upon reading some posts, a very funny (to me) reply / retort / observation / smirk sometimes occurs. I used to often post these thoughts because they clearly were funny or witty or insightful or playful (to me). But both based on experience and reflection, I realized some such comments will rub some the wrong way and lead to a chain of odd exchanges. So now I often chuckle and say thats FUNNY to my inner thoughts, but don't share them if I feel some will feel ego hurts from them, misinterpret them, or trigger them to respond to a myraid of built up inner issues from long the past. For the record, I responded because the post was factually inaccurate--i.e., not just a matter of an opinion with which I disagreed. I understand. I am not saying that every statement in all 14 responses, in the chain created by the original post, was, in-itself, incorrect . I am just observing that from a larger view, any such comments are part of a chain of posts which, as a whole, is of low value. Each post is fuel on the fire of venom, retribution and recycling of past issues -- even if the individual post, in-itself, on the level of an individual point, might be true. Simply being true does not make a post useful. The chain is sort of a virtual fluctuation in the universal ego hurt bondage to the past state. :) If the 14 subsequent chain of replies were kept at the poster's thought level, then the abundant fuel (apparently of venom) would not be added to the spark of one posters momentary (hopefully) lapse of judgement and taste. This perhaps requires posters to realize just because they thought the thought, that does not necessarily make the thought valid, useful, humorous, insightful or of broad value -- that is, it may not be worth posting. If posters were less possessed / driven by the past events and percieved ego hurts, and less prone to listening to inner deep layers of preconceptions, prejudgements of posters -- and simply read each post for what is in the post itself (not myriads of past posts rattling in their brains), then discussion on FFL would be far more interesting IMO -- and not a reincarnation of a 60's type encounter group. Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of deeply embedded spirituality? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 5:03 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Sure pass it on. It'd be nice to pass on to others interested in the phenomenon of Vedic Creation Science and Vedic Intelligent Design. The sad thing is, the movement is in decline for a while now and it is probably unlikely therefore that someone will do research on this in any detailed sort of way. Seeing how this guy did his PhD work ages ago, I'd say it was more like others are starting to show interest in what he already documented... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
Rick, Thanks for taking the time to read what I wrote and for your reply. Revisiting these concepts in the light of people's experience in this group is valuable to me. I remember the TM party line about those words. Now I am interested in how people like yourself think about it with a broader perspective. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. This is what I am having trouble wrapping my mind around. Can you articulate how our awareness fluctuates? I can't locate a reference experience for myself these days. I know how I used to describe it to someone new to meditation as: sometimes you feel sleepy and your awareness is foggy and that effects your knowledge. I am looking for a more developed view of the concept of awareness enhancement. I think I understand your point about understanding as more stable than experience. I can usually remember a perspective even when I am tired. I may not be as generative of the perspective when I am tired, but I can usually access what I understood in that state when I felt more awake. But once I am rested I don't see much difference in my awareness day to day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 9:33 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. Experiences which can come, can also go. But understanding is much more stable, and ultimately, understanding is what gets you enlightened (keeping in mind that there's no you which gets enlightened, blah, blah). That's because it ultimately enables one to grasp (again terms are inadequate) that which is and was always there, and which is rock-solid in its stability. That's why advaita and neo-advaita teachers are so effective for so many people. Some think they offer a cop-out (you don't have to do anything; you're already enlightened) and maybe for some that's what they do. In fact, I hear of people who bought into that line for a while, and are now realizing there's still work to do, and are returning to some form of sadhana. But for those who have already done decades of sadhana, the subtle understanding these teachers may enliven can be profoundly transformational. Maybe that's not what you were getting at, but that's what came to mind when I read (and reread) your post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the key here is simple authenticity regardless if the experience is good or bad, pleasant or unpleasant. Most spiritual movements like the TMO generate an atmosphere of subtle (and at times not so subtle) moodmaking that denies one's simple experience if it is not in accord with the movement's dogma. How can one's simple experience be not in accord with TMO dogma? Some days on my Yogic Flying block, I felt great. Other days, I felt awful. Both extremes were perfectly in accord with dogma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 5:06 PM, sparaig wrote: Insomuch as humans show the same patterns of behavior in every society, the analogy with Christian Fundamentalism may be useful. However, since Hinduism is usually a far more flexable and accomidating religion or set-of-religions than Christianity traditionally has been (for instance, there's no Nicene Creed test for Hindus as far as I know), the analogy can only go so far. The reasons it would be important would be the same or very similar reasons it was important to question teaching intelligent design in our schools. In other words, it raises the question 'should Hindutva based initiatives be allowed to teach Vedic Intelligent Design in the public school system of India?' Of course that's probably already what's happening at schools like the Maharishi School for the Age of Enlightenment--it's just that they hide behind buzz-phrases like The Science of Creative Intelligence. And of course as anyone who has heard even a fraction of the 100's of hours of rambling on about Quantum mechanics, the Rig Veda, Vedic literature, the sequential unfolding of creation, etc., etc. should be able to immediately sense the relevance. A Christian Intelligent Design curriculum is doing basically the same thing, except they're not waxing Quantum on Agnim ile...but using Bereshith/Genesis instead. You say Rig Veda, I say Genesis...it's a similar spiel. Heh. So how do the Fundamentalist Christian private schools do on standardized tests and National Merit Scholarship and other scholastic competitions, including science fair entries for biological sciences? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The Internet, whatever else it may be, is NOT a suitable forum for satsang, or for any style of teaching that requires the student to perceive the overall vibe of the teacher and respond to it. The vibe just doesn't make it through the preconceptions, IMO, and in my experience the preconceptions not only almost always win, they get further entrenched. Those who these well- meaning people are trying to do a favor for often look upon the favor as a personal attack. I've seen a great deal of heartfelt authenticity here reacted to as if it were a slap in the face, a simple, non-off-the-program suggestion like Feel the body being considered and reacted to as if it were a mortal insult. So what can ya do? Speaking of a vibe not making it through the preconceptions... Jesus F*cking Christ! You think Barry's description is accurate? He may have been trying to put forth some vibe. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 5:03 PM, sparaig wrote: snip There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Sure pass it on. It'd be nice to pass on to others interested in the phenomenon of Vedic Creation Science and Vedic Intelligent Design. http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/drcoplin/ However, the parts of the dissertation that Coplin has on the Web don't address MMY's Vedic Science per se. And again, what Nanda calls Vedic Creationism does not appear to be what MMY teaches in that it doesn't propose to replace Darwinian evolution with 'devolution' from the original one-ness with Brahman (key word being replace). As to Vedic Intelligent Design, that's your phrase, not hers. I've addressed it in another post. Not to mention that in MMY's interpretation of things, Brahman, the simple, undifferentiated thing, notices itself and gets progressively more complicated until the universe comes into existance. This process can't be considered devolution because it is a process of anti-entropy, just as evolution is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: Not digging in the dirt is the rationale used by many sidhas here when they move into a S-ved home as a way of solving their marital communication problems, or do a yagya as a way to treat their chronic depression or OCD, or spend half their waking life meditating trying to get over some early life emotional pain. I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, you have to go through it... Mark, it's the *absolutism* of statements like this that I'm commenting on. What you say in the last sentence above is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I and many of my friends have had severe emotional pain and trauma just fucking GO AWAY as a result of spiritual sadhana that did not require us to focus on it or go through it. Leave some room in your pronouncements for other possibilities, eh? :-) I am *NOT* saying that I don't think dealing with emotional issues is not a good thing for some people if they swing that way. But is it the ONLY way such issues can be resolved? No way. OK, absolutism is wrong -- I'm used to dealing with the opposite absolutism here where there are some people who view marriage counselors the way baptists view pagan priestesses. Also, I see your term spiritual sadhana as much broader than just tm transcending and thus more likely to be effective with emotional stuff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: Since last night 11pm or so PST, there have been 25 posts. 15 of them stem from Shemp deciding now was a good time to revisit hiskeep it views of what Judy posted in January. If that one post were kept at the poster's thought level, the ensuing low value (IMO) 14 posts would have not been posted. I'm not sure what you mean by kept at the poster's thought level. Would you be willing to elaborate? I simply meant to keep the thought to themselves. OIC. Of course. Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, I thought he should have kept it to himself too. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: entrance orientation in block of flats
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend is buying a flat in a Victorian house just converted into three flats. The entrance to the house faces SOUTH; but the entrance to the flat faces WEST. Curious as to how bad this combination is from SV perspective.. What about the other flat with EAST-facing entrance - is it also spoilt by the southerly house entrance? Has anyone noticed much difference when moving accommodation between properties with different orientations, anyway? What about the fact that nearly every at one time successful business in Fairfield that built a stapatya vedic building went out of business. What about the fact that a once thriving, vital campus community with hundreds of people coming and going, laughing, having a grand time, dances, concerts, movies, etc. is now like a ghost town since the advent of stapatya vedic buildings on campus? Tell your friend to forget about SV and enjoy the place and somehow purge their mind of this superstitious rattletrap. I wish I'd never heard of this sh*t. Get a little book on feng shui and do a few simple things to correct any imbalances or don't do anything at all except make the place a nice place to live in a personal way. Shirley To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/24/06 10:28 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not digging in the dirt is the rationale used by many sidhas here when they move into a S-ved home as a way of solving their marital communication problems, or do a yagya as a way to treat their chronic depression or OCD, or spend half their waking life meditating trying to get over some early life emotional pain. I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, you have to go through it... Mark, it's the *absolutism* of statements like this that I'm commenting on. What you say in the last sentence above is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I and many of my friends have had severe emotional pain and trauma just fucking GO AWAY as a result of spiritual sadhana that did not require us to focus on it or go through it. Leave some room in your pronouncements for other possibilities, eh? :-) I am *NOT* saying that I don't think dealing with emotional issues is not a good thing for some people if they swing that way. But is it the ONLY way such issues can be resolved? No way. I'm not sure where I stand on this issue. My father was an alcoholic. Aside from having good qualities (talented professional artist who supported his family, took me skiing and fishing, Boy Scout camping trips, etc.), he kept us all up several nights a week screaming obscenities at my mother, which eventually drove her to suicide attempts and mental hospitals. No I didn't have a rosy childhood and presumably have deep emotional pain to work through. But I've never done anything to work through it other than to to meditate regularly for 37 years. I'm a pretty happy guy. Do I have a deep load of crap that is some day going to rear its ugly head unless I probe into and resolve it? I honestly don't know. Maybe I do; maybe I don't. I have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the key here is simple authenticity regardless if the experience is good or bad, pleasant or unpleasant. Most spiritual movements like the TMO generate an atmosphere of subtle (and at times not so subtle) moodmaking that denies one's simple experience if it is not in accord with the movement's dogma. Funnily enough, there's a lot of that here on FFL as well from certain quarters. E.g., one's experience of not being enlightened is held to be a lie one tells oneself, the dogma being that one's real experience is that of enlightenment, and that one is afraid of achieving what one seeks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 9:33 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. Experiences which can come, can also go. But understanding is much more stable, and ultimately, understanding is what gets you enlightened (keeping in mind that there's no you which gets enlightened, blah, blah). That's because it ultimately enables one to grasp (again terms are inadequate) that which is and was always there, and which is rock-solid in its stability. That's why advaita and neo-advaita teachers are so effective for so many people. Some think they offer a cop-out (you don't have to do anything; you're already enlightened) and maybe for some that's what they do. In fact, I hear of people who bought into that line for a while, and are now realizing there's still work to do, and are returning to some form of sadhana. But for those who have already done decades of sadhana, the subtle understanding these teachers may enliven can be profoundly transformational. Maybe that's not what you were getting at, but that's what came to mind when I read (and reread) your post. MMY refers to the mahasutra (?) that is required for someone to hear to actually attain Unity. Perhaps this is where advaita's you are already enlightened becomes relevant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: TorguiseB writes snipped: Diggin' in the dirt looking for the cause of darkness is fine if that's your predilection in life, but I've had remarkable success with just turning on the light, and I'm not going to write that experience off just because others haven't. Tom T: I guess I have not made myself clear. What I am alluding to is that there a great number of people in this town and some here on FFlife that have both arms extended full length trying desparately to not look at or engage in dealing with major issues. They don't have to go digging in the dirt it is all around them and piling up deeper with every passing second. It is sometimes phrased as Sh*t happens. The extent one is in denial is what I am driving at. Anything out there outside of me that can fix all these problems is not going to get anything to happen. When one finally gives in the actual dealing with the issue takes about 5% of ones energy while it took almost all the energy to remain indenial. The amount of energy expended in defending a position or holding off the ultimate disaster is tons more energy then it takes to let go and get it done. In the end it will have you either way, why bother avoiding it. You will either deal with your sh*t before you wake up or most assuredly after. Enjoy.Tom Not digging in the dirt is the rationale used by many sidhas here when they move into a S-ved home as a way of solving their marital communication problems, or do a yagya as a way to treat their chronic depression or OCD, or spend half their waking life meditating trying to get over some early life emotional pain. I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, Who told you that? While its been true for me that the aftermath of transcending my way out of deep emotional pain is painful, there was no requirement that I understood WHY I was screaming or crying during meditation practice --it just happened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since last night 11pm or so PST, there have been 25 posts. 15 of them stem from Shemp deciding now was a good time to revisit his views of what Judy posted in January. If that one post were kept at the poster's thought level, the ensuing low value (IMO) 14 posts would have not been posted. If the 14 subsequent chain of replies were kept at the poster's thought level, then the abundant fuel (apparently of venom) would not be added to the spark of one posters momentary (hopefully) lapse of judgement and taste. This perhaps requires posters to realize just because they thought the thought, that does not necessarily make the thought valid, useful, humorous, insightful or of broad value -- that is, it may not be worth posting. If posters were less possessed / driven by the past events and percieved ego hurts, and less prone to listening to inner deep layers of preconceptions, prejudgements of posters -- and simply read each post for what is in the post itself (not myriads of past posts rattling in their brains), then discussion on FFL would be far more interesting IMO -- and not a reincarnation of a 60's type encounter group. Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of deeply embedded spirituality? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. Eh, local minimums that they haven't yet bounced out of (to revisit my Hopfield Learning version of spiritual growth that I never bothered to present on this forum). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The Internet, whatever else it may be, is NOT a suitable forum for satsang, or for any style of teaching that requires the student to perceive the overall vibe of the teacher and respond to it. The vibe just doesn't make it through the preconceptions, IMO, and in my experience the preconceptions not only almost always win, they get further entrenched. Those who these well- meaning people are trying to do a favor for often look upon the favor as a personal attack. I've seen a great deal of heartfelt authenticity here reacted to as if it were a slap in the face, a simple, non-off-the-program suggestion like Feel the body being considered and reacted to as if it were a mortal insult. So what can ya do? Speaking of a vibe not making it through the preconceptions... Jesus F*cking Christ! You think Barry's description is accurate? He may have been trying to put forth some vibe. Sure. But my point was that his preconceptions turned the vibe of the response to suggestions of Feel the body into reaction as if it were a moral insult. Of course Barry is referring to me here (or at least including me, although I can't recall any others who responded to that suggestion), and that certainly wasn't the vibe I felt or intended. As I recall, I thanked the person for the suggestion and simply said that this kind of approach didn't seem to work for me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The Internet, whatever else it may be, is NOT a suitable forum for satsang, or for any style of teaching that requires the student to perceive the overall vibe of the teacher and respond to it. The vibe just doesn't make it through the preconceptions, IMO, and in my experience the preconceptions not only almost always win, they get further entrenched. Those who these well- meaning people are trying to do a favor for often look upon the favor as a personal attack. I've seen a great deal of heartfelt authenticity here reacted to as if it were a slap in the face, a simple, non-off-the-program suggestion like Feel the body being considered and reacted to as if it were a mortal insult. So what can ya do? Speaking of a vibe not making it through the preconceptions... Jesus F*cking Christ! You think Barry's description is accurate? He may have been trying to put forth some vibe. Oh, wait, you mean *Peter* was. OK, that went over my head... (Who was it said here recently we should stop using pronouns?) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: Not digging in the dirt is the rationale used by many sidhas here when they move into a S-ved home as a way of solving their marital communication problems, or do a yagya as a way to treat their chronic depression or OCD, or spend half their waking life meditating trying to get over some early life emotional pain. I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, you have to go through it... Mark, it's the *absolutism* of statements like this that I'm commenting on. What you say in the last sentence above is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I and many of my friends have had severe emotional pain and trauma just fucking GO AWAY as a result of spiritual sadhana that did not require us to focus on it or go through it. Leave some room in your pronouncements for other possibilities, eh? :-) I am *NOT* saying that I don't think dealing with emotional issues is not a good thing for some people if they swing that way. But is it the ONLY way such issues can be resolved? No way. I personally believe that the ONLY way that emotional issues can be resolved is to hvae the neuro-physiology mature out of the grip of the event that caused the pain. Whether or not this involves TM-style transcendence at some point, who can say, but just talking about your problems, in and of itself, NEVER works, IMHO. Something more must be happening. I recall watching kids (including myself) in a youth counseling group becoming ever more facile in discussing our problems. Even girls as young as 12, who had been raped, got real good at intellectual descriptions of their situation. Sometimes there would be a breakthrough concerning a problem, but for most, they simply learned to incorporate the talk therapy spiel into their defense mechanisms that allowed them to cope with life WITHOUT addressing whatever was bothering them that had prompted their parents to send them to the group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: Not digging in the dirt is the rationale used by many sidhas here when they move into a S-ved home as a way of solving their marital communication problems, or do a yagya as a way to treat their chronic depression or OCD, or spend half their waking life meditating trying to get over some early life emotional pain. I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, you have to go through it... Mark, it's the *absolutism* of statements like this that I'm commenting on. What you say in the last sentence above is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. I and many of my friends have had severe emotional pain and trauma just fucking GO AWAY as a result of spiritual sadhana that did not require us to focus on it or go through it. Leave some room in your pronouncements for other possibilities, eh? :-) I am *NOT* saying that I don't think dealing with emotional issues is not a good thing for some people if they swing that way. But is it the ONLY way such issues can be resolved? No way. Just to follow up with a concrete example of what I am talking about, Mark, I had a bit of a rough year a few years back. Within the space of a few months my brother killed himself, and my mother and father both died. I think it is safe to say that I felt some emotional pain over these events. It lingered for a while until, as chance would have it, I went to the desert with the teacher I studied with at the time, Rama. The desert trips were often like shakti squared, a real blast of energy. This one was no exception. During the experience, I was *not* thinking about anything emotional, or my feelings about my family, or anything other than Here And Now. That was what we had been taught was the way to get the most from the experience, and for a change I was paying attention to what I had been taught. :-) It worked. For about two weeks afterwards I was walking around in what appeared to me to be CC. 24/7 witnessing, no difference between meditation and non-meditation, or between awareness in waking and awareness in dreams and deep sleep. It was neat. And then that awareness faded somewhat. So it goes. But *after* it faded, the emotional pain was just fuckin' GONE, man. I would think about my brother or my mother or my father and all that was there was a sense of love and gratitude for the time we had spent together, no longer any feelings about things I should have said or things I should have done, no trauma whatsoever. So where did it go? It's not as if I worked on it, or tried to delve into the feelings and resolve them, or even as if I went through it. I didn't. But the pain was GONE. All I'm sayin' is that sometimes, if you're lucky, it works that way. Going through it is NOT the only way that such things can be resolved. Some- times the principle of the second element works exactly as advertised, and turning on the light really does get rid of the darkness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip And again, what Nanda calls Vedic Creationism does not appear to be what MMY teaches in that it doesn't propose to replace Darwinian evolution with 'devolution' from the original one-ness with Brahman (key word being replace). snip Not to mention that in MMY's interpretation of things, Brahman, the simple, undifferentiated thing, notices itself and gets progressively more complicated until the universe comes into existance. This process can't be considered devolution because it is a process of anti-entropy, just as evolution is. Yes, exactly, thank you. I was trying to find a way to express this clearly and succinctly and couldn't. I suspect Nanda is doing her best to equate Christian fundie Creationism (the fall from the Garden) with Vedic Creationism; I seriously doubt even Hindutva espouses anything like that. Either she doesn't understand the Hindu/Vedic notion, or she is hoping her readers don't. I guess you could call the cycling of Satyuga into Kaliyuga something of a fall and devolution, but that doesn't seem to be what she's referring to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Thanks for taking the time to read what I wrote and for your reply. Revisiting these concepts in the light of people's experience in this group is valuable to me. I remember the TM party line about those words. Now I am interested in how people like yourself think about it with a broader perspective. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. This is what I am having trouble wrapping my mind around. Can you articulate how our awareness fluctuates? I can't locate a reference experience for myself these days. I know how I used to describe it to someone new to meditation as: sometimes you feel sleepy and your awareness is foggy and that effects your knowledge. I am looking for a more developed view of the concept of awareness enhancement. I think I understand your point about understanding as more stable than experience. I can usually remember a perspective even when I am tired. I may not be as generative of the perspective when I am tired, but I can usually access what I understood in that state when I felt more awake. But once I am rested I don't see much difference in my awareness day to day. I can recall only one instance of genuine CC in my life, and that was far beyond any silent witnessing state which I often have for moments during waking, dreaming and sleeping. As near as I can recall, there was nodody home. There were thoughts, conversations, actions, etc., but no doer or watcher or anything. The transition out of this was quite sudden and I only had an instant to remark to myself how odd before the state was gone. I've had plenty of witnessing moments/periods before/since but that particular transition *out of* seems unique, even now. I can see NO way to access what I understood in that state simply because I have no real recollection of what I understood assuming there was an I or understanding in the first place. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shirleybrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark et al On the other hand, talk therapy with a good therapist can be invaluable. I grew up in a fairly typical and extremely dysfuntional home-too many kids, one parent clearly shouldn't have had any kids and could not handle the whole thing, took it out in some very abusive ways on at least a couple of the kids. Like most of the day (mid to late 60s) I looked elsewhere and found my way to TM in '69 after some experimentation with drugs (loved 'em) and other meditation techniques. Finally, after I found my way out of the TM movement in 1990, a dear friend, said to me one day You need to find yourself a good therapist. It takes a bit of work but eventually I found one, stayed with him for two years and it made a huge difference to me. Sometimes it takes a good deal of growth to get to the point where one is able to recognize that one could benefit from therapy. Although they're getting better, social attitudes often don't help much in this regard. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shirleybrahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark et al On the other hand, talk therapy with a good therapist can be invaluable. I grew up in a fairly typical and extremely dysfuntional home-too many kids, one parent clearly shouldn't have had any kids and could not handle the whole thing, took it out in some very abusive ways on at least a couple of the kids. Like most of the day (mid to late 60s) I looked elsewhere and found my way to TM in '69 after some experimentation with drugs (loved 'em) and other meditation techniques. Finally, after I found my way out of the TM movement in 1990, a dear friend, said to me one day You need to find yourself a good therapist. It takes a bit of work but eventually I found one, stayed with him for two years and it made a huge difference to me. About 10 years later I had another two years of therapy/counseling with a great Jungian oriented therapist and that, too, was extremely helpful. Not a day goes by that I don't benefit from all those talks and understandings. Don't knock it, it can be extremely useful. And remember all this is Shirley Brahman! Shirley So, if all this is extremely helpful and you haven't been involved in TM in 15 years, what are you doing here? Participation here is a waste of time for everyone, of course, but certainly for someone who outgrew TM 15 years ago and has had great experiences since... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
The concept of enlightenment is way over my head. I am just focusing on what we can articulate about our awareness and it's potential to grow. My biggest change in wellbeing comes from physical exercise. I wonder if wellbeing has any place in the discussion of what our awareness is and how it can change? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/23/06 9:33 PM, curtisdeltablues at curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't think my ability to know fluctuates at all to any significant degree day to day. Of course I don't mean this in any spiritual way, it is just that I have lost all interest in monitoring whatever quality I used to care about when I used to think of awareness as something that changed or could be developed. I think there is a spiritual implication to this, because the clarity of awareness does fluctuate. Experiences which can come, can also go. But understanding is much more stable, and ultimately, understanding is what gets you enlightened (keeping in mind that there's no you which gets enlightened, blah, blah). That's because it ultimately enables one to grasp (again terms are inadequate) that which is and was always there, and which is rock-solid in its stability. That's why advaita and neo-advaita teachers are so effective for so many people. Some think they offer a cop-out (you don't have to do anything; you're already enlightened) and maybe for some that's what they do. In fact, I hear of people who bought into that line for a while, and are now realizing there's still work to do, and are returning to some form of sadhana. But for those who have already done decades of sadhana, the subtle understanding these teachers may enliven can be profoundly transformational. Maybe that's not what you were getting at, but that's what came to mind when I read (and reread) your post. MMY refers to the mahasutra (?) that is required for someone to hear to actually attain Unity. Perhaps this is where advaita's you are already enlightened becomes relevant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: snip Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of something good? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. George Santayana said, Those who cannot remember history are condemned to repeat it. He was speaking of history in a broader sense, of course, but it may also be applicable to more personal history. At what point does remembering history become driven by and obsessed with it? That may not be such an easy line to draw. As we grow (or at least get older), we have an increasing body of experience through which to see, interpret, and even learn from the past. Is there ever a point at which revisiting the past in light of present understanding yields no dividends in terms of avoiding repetition of that past? If so, how do you tell when you've gotten to that point? I was pondering similar things in wrting this (one post cannot cover all related thoughts and issues.) One makes generalizations based on the past -- specifically experiences, or interactions with others. For example, When I do this, I feel better, when I do that I sleep better, this person appears insightful, or this person is argumentative and time is better spent not reading him/her etc. In a sense, we can view all such experiences and interactions as a constant flow of experiments and data. As in science, a hypothesis that has not yet been disproved is useful. But we need to be open to the fact that it may disproven at some future point as i) new data roles in (the person changes), or ii) better measurement tools become available, or iii) better analytical methods are used (consciousness expands, we view things from a new perspective / conceptual model, etc..) Same with theories, in the scientific sense. We all have working theories on how the world works, based on past observations, and a conceptual model of how such past observations act and interact with and in the world. As long as the theories predict useful things in our little realm of the universe, they are useful. When our theories become less productive in prediction, we look for a larger theory. For example, as kids toys make me happy is a good and accurate theroy. It predicted well. When I played with toys, I became happy. But at some point, I got new data, and larger conceptual frameworks in which to place those observations and found other things (learning, sports, girls, hard work, drugs, music, friends etc) that made me happier than older toys. Then, some of these things became toys and I moved on to new theories that better predicted what would make me happy. So there is a balance between using current theories in living life to predict what makes us happy, makes us money, makes use healthy,makes us useful,etc. And with new data (experiences) and better measurement and analytical methods (consciousness, conceptual models, etc) we refine, sometimes disgard and create new theories. The balance one needs to find for themselves. Sometimes, with lots of new ideas and data(like when we go off to college) the balance is perhaps 20/80. We spend 80% of our time revaluating our world view, creating new ones -- and have the luxury to do so since we are somehat sheltered from day to day issues of living inthe world. In our career phases, the balance may be 80/20. Or sometimes 99/1. The latter probably indicating some less than useful rigidity to change. But my original post was about the continual and repeated reconfirmation of our theories and hypotheses. Is being driven by and apparently obsessed with the past a sign of something good? Makes one wonder about the effectiveness of all these techniques people have been practicing for years. One may have a theory that a certain poster does not post useful things (for us). This may be based on a large data set (of past posts). OK. My point is that there is usually not a need, nor is it productive, to daily revisit and feel the need to reconfirm this theory (as it applies in our lives). But on the other hand, its productive to be open to the possibility that the data might change (the person changes) or that we might view their comments from a new angle that may result in their posts being of some value to us. So an occaisional revisiting of the theory is productive. As is constantly being open to new data and new concepts . For example, maybe we often skip a poster which our theory predicts will waste our time. BUT, my point of the orignal post was, when we occaisionally read the post, do so with an open, fresh mind, like you just met them, not be tied to the past and your prior evaluations of them, and see if what they write today, the words in themselves, in the CURRENT post, have any value. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
Nearly all of my friends everywhere are TMers, whether lapsed, moved on to other orgs or like myself moved on to none at all and just living life. I do think my TM mantra every day, sometimes just lying down on my way to dreamland at night, sometimes I use other mantras, sometimes I just enjoy relaxing with easy mind. My life is one big spiritual event as I see it. With nearly all of my friends, because we all spent so many of our formative adult years enmeshed in the TM belief system it still always comes up in conversation. And though we've rehashed most of it we still sometimes do. It's a form of entertainment and sometimes insites still come that are useful. FFLife is a way to see what's what. It's flavor has changed and since LB and DOug Hamilton, Phil Goldberg and a few others have stopped posting it's a lot less interesting, yet I find there is still something to be gained from checking in. Shirley SB --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shirleybrahman shirleybrahman@ wrote: Mark et al On the other hand, talk therapy with a good therapist can be invaluable. I grew up in a fairly typical and extremely dysfuntional home-too many kids, one parent clearly shouldn't have had any kids and could not handle the whole thing, took it out in some very abusive ways on at least a couple of the kids. Like most of the day (mid to late 60s) I looked elsewhere and found my way to TM in '69 after some experimentation with drugs (loved 'em) and other meditation techniques. Finally, after I found my way out of the TM movement in 1990, a dear friend, said to me one day You need to find yourself a good therapist. It takes a bit of work but eventually I found one, stayed with him for two years and it made a huge difference to me. About 10 years later I had another two years of therapy/counseling with a great Jungian oriented therapist and that, too, was extremely helpful. Not a day goes by that I don't benefit from all those talks and understandings. Don't knock it, it can be extremely useful. And remember all this is Shirley Brahman! Shirley So, if all this is extremely helpful and you haven't been involved in TM in 15 years, what are you doing here? Participation here is a waste of time for everyone, of course, but certainly for someone who outgrew TM 15 years ago and has had great experiences since... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: Since last night 11pm or so PST, there have been 25 posts. 15 of them stem from Shemp deciding now was a good time to revisit hiskeep it views of what Judy posted in January. If that one post were kept at the poster's thought level, the ensuing low value (IMO) 14 posts would have not been posted. I'm not sure what you mean by kept at the poster's thought level. Would you be willing to elaborate? I simply meant to keep the thought to themselves. OIC. Of course. Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, I thought he should have kept it to himself too. ;-) As should,IMO, the fuel providers -- aka the authors of the other 14 posts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
So, if all this is extremely helpful and you haven't been involved in TM in 15 years, what are you doing here? Participation here is a waste of time for everyone, of course, but certainly for someone who outgrew TM 15 years ago and has had great experiences since... I know this was not addressed to me. But I do fit the description, although I would not say I outgrew TM. I let go of it as a conceptual model. This group discusses very abstract topics in a way that is unconstrained by TM dogma. That makes it possible to actually discuss topics in a human way that I think has a real value. The questions about human awareness and it's meaning are not restricted to spiritually minded people. Thoughtful people from all perspectives think about this stuff, even humanists. For me to learn new perspectives takes going outside the group of people who already thinks as I do. Hanging out with people from other cultures can do the same. This opportunity is unique. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shirleybrahman shirleybrahman@ wrote: Mark et al On the other hand, talk therapy with a good therapist can be invaluable. I grew up in a fairly typical and extremely dysfuntional home-too many kids, one parent clearly shouldn't have had any kids and could not handle the whole thing, took it out in some very abusive ways on at least a couple of the kids. Like most of the day (mid to late 60s) I looked elsewhere and found my way to TM in '69 after some experimentation with drugs (loved 'em) and other meditation techniques. Finally, after I found my way out of the TM movement in 1990, a dear friend, said to me one day You need to find yourself a good therapist. It takes a bit of work but eventually I found one, stayed with him for two years and it made a huge difference to me. About 10 years later I had another two years of therapy/counseling with a great Jungian oriented therapist and that, too, was extremely helpful. Not a day goes by that I don't benefit from all those talks and understandings. Don't knock it, it can be extremely useful. And remember all this is Shirley Brahman! Shirley So, if all this is extremely helpful and you haven't been involved in TM in 15 years, what are you doing here? Participation here is a waste of time for everyone, of course, but certainly for someone who outgrew TM 15 years ago and has had great experiences since... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/24/06 11:19 AM, shirleybrahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FFLife is a way to see what's what. It's flavor has changed and since LB and DOug Hamilton, Phil Goldberg and a few others have stopped posting it's a lot less interesting, yet I find there is still something to be gained from checking in. Doug still chimes in occasionally, and LB says he intends to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [It is useful to be] constantly being open to new data and new concepts. For example, maybe we often skip a poster which our theory predicts will waste our time. BUT, my point of the orignal post was, when we occaisionally read the post, do so with an open, fresh mind, like you just met them, not be tied to the past and your prior evaluations of them, and see if what they write today, the words in themselves, in the CURRENT post, have any value. For example, if we have the view in our mind, prior to even reading a post, is that, This poster is full of Sh*t. They only post BS, play games, distort and swims in logical fallacies. then guess what we will find in almost any post they make: i) BS, ii) games, iii) distortions, and iv) logical fallacies. The search for such often overwhelms any points of merit in the post. My suggestion is to simply turn off the voices of past theories and hypotheses about the poster, and ones apprasial of their motives, and simply read their words without any prejedice -- aka pre-judgement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] FW: Good News!- Education Tour a Great Success
Title: FW: Good News!- Education Tour a Great Success Huge demand? Good News! Archive http://mum.edu/goodnews/welcome.html Education Tour Creates Huge Demand for Transcendental Meditation Program in Schools US Peace Government president Dr. John Hagelin and a renowned panel of educators and scientists have just completed an extremely successful national tour to promote Consciousness-BasedSM education and the impact of the Transcendental Meditation program on educational outcomes. The speakers (click here for bios and photos http://istpp.org/enews/2006_05_17_bios.html ) visited 13 major cities in Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, New York, and New England and spoke at luncheon conferences to over 1,200 principals, superintendents, teachers, school board members, and local government leaders. At each stop on the tour, our highly distinguished panel of expertsbrain researchers, medical doctors, school principals, and respected leaders in higher education presented the compelling results of 35 years of scientific research and classroom experience using the Transcendental Meditation technique in the classroom, said Dr. Hagelin. These research studies show not only that the TM technique is highly effective in developing a students full brain potential and reducing acute levels of classroom stress, but that the TM technique is the only scientifically proven program for achieving these results. Throughout the tour, the momentum of success kept building, with higher numbers of conference participants and increasing receptivity at every stop. Participating educators were enthusiastic about implementing Consciousness-Based education programs in their schools and eager to work with the National Committee for Stress-Free Schools to secure philanthropic funding from their local communities to support these programs. In Hartford, for example, 150 educators attended the luncheon conference, and then 100 came back for a follow-up meeting that evening to find out how to take concrete steps to introduce the TM program into their schools and classrooms an unprecedented response. Two years ago, when we held education conferences in New York City and D.C., school principals might say, Lets set up a pilot program for 20 students, said Bob Roth, media director for the US Peace Government and a member of the National Committee for Stress-Free Schools. Now they say, Lets involve the whole school. The sense is that the crisis of student stress has become simply unbearable, with 10 million students on antidepressants, 24 million with learning disorders, and suicide the third leading cause of death among teenagers. Conventional approaches to solve the problems namely, medications just arent working. I have never before seen this degree of seriousness and receptivity among educators. Now, when they hear about the impact of the TM technique in the classroom, they say, We need this and we need it now. Excellent media coverage throughout the tour reflected the very positive reactions of educators attending the presentations. The many published articles included a story in the Boston Globe http://download.tmnews.org/2006_06_BostonGlobe.pdf , one of Americas top newspapers, and an article on page 1 of the Metro section in the Providence Journal http://download.tmnews.org/2006_05_05_ProvidenceJournal.pdf , New Englands second largest newspaper. Students who practice the TM technique also spoke eloquently at the luncheon presentations about the benefits they have gained. Eighteen-year-old Amelia Freeberg received a standing ovation from the educators when she said, If our generation can have this experience of Transcendental Meditation, and we can grow up to become intelligent, stable, balanced, and peaceful, we wont just be the leaders of the most powerful country in the world well be the leaders of the most peaceful country in the world. Dr. Ashley Deans, director of the award-winning Maharishi School in Fairfield, Iowa (see Maharishi School http://www.maharishischooliowa.org/ ) and author of A Record of Excellence: The Remarkable Success of Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment, will now take the education tour to Canada, where he and other educators and scientists will visit six major cities during the next week to promote Consciousness-Based education. This unprecedented, overwhelmingly positive response of educators arises from the extraordinary promise of the Transcendental Meditation technique in the classroom the promise of transforming the classroom experience by completely developing students total brain potential, said Dr. Hagelin. This is a revolution in the field of education with global implications. And it points toward a bright new destiny for America and the world. Transcendental Meditation, Consciousness-Based, and Maharishi University of Management are registered or common law trademarks licensed to Maharishi Vedic Education Development Corporation and used under sublicense or with
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: [It is useful to be] constantly being open to new data and new concepts. For example, maybe we often skip a poster which our theory predicts will waste our time. BUT, my point of the orignal post was, when we occaisionally read the post, do so with an open, fresh mind, like you just met them, not be tied to the past and your prior evaluations of them, and see if what they write today, the words in themselves, in the CURRENT post, have any value. For example, if we have the view in our mind, prior to even reading a post, is that, This poster is full of Sh*t. They only post BS, play games, distort and swims in logical fallacies. then guess what we will find in almost any post they make: i) BS, ii) games, iii) distortions, and iv) logical fallacies. The search for such often overwhelms any points of merit in the post. My suggestion is to simply turn off the voices of past theories and hypotheses about the poster, and ones apprasial of their motives, and simply read their words without any prejedice -- aka pre- judgement. I think I'm pretty good at that, actually. In my experience, no poster (here or elsewhere) is *always* full of shit, etc. I'm more often disappointed to *find* the same old shit, etc., in a post than surprised to find something of value in the post--i.e., finding something of value in a post from someone with whom I'm frequently in conflict doesn't surprise me, from which I conclude that I'm not *expecting* to find the same old shit. And when I do, it's a disappointment rather than a fulfillment of expectations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if all this is extremely helpful and you haven't been involved in TM in 15 years, what are you doing here? Participation here is a waste of time for everyone, of course, but certainly for someone who outgrew TM 15 years ago and has had great experiences since... One might as well ask why someone who thinks it's a waste of his time to be here is here. :-) It's really *not* a waste of my time. I learn things here. If you don't, I would suggest the problem is not with the forum. I know this was not addressed to me. But I do fit the description, although I would not say I outgrew TM. I let go of it as a conceptual model. This group discusses very abstract topics in a way that is unconstrained by TM dogma. That makes it possible to actually discuss topics in a human way that I think has a real value. The questions about human awareness and it's meaning are not restricted to spiritually minded people. Thoughtful people from all perspectives think about this stuff, even humanists. For me to learn new perspectives takes going outside the group of people who already thinks as I do. Hanging out with people from other cultures can do the same. This opportunity is unique. I'll second what Curtis says above, for his reasons and for a couple more. One is that most of us here share a common vocabulary. Whatever our relationship with TM and the TMO, they gave us a set of jargon that is useful when trying to ponder the imponderable and explain the inexplainable. If you're having a conversation about the gradients of difference between CC and GC, even if you no longer believe those categories are accurate, you don't have to stop to explain what they mean to the other person. The other thing that I think people who were never TM teachers or who never attended MUM don't get is the sense of shared *experience* going down. This forum is full of people who at one point in their lives made a commitment to light and/or to sharing it. They busted their *butts*, enduring all sorts of shit that people who have never done that don't know about. And they had great times together that people who have never done that don't know about. In a way, it's like that bar where the regulars had heard all the jokes so many times that they didn't even bother telling them any more. They just numbered them and someone would call out Thirty-one and everyone would crack up and toast the joke-teller. Then one day a stranger walks in and sits there puzzled, trying to figure out what is going on. He listens to people calling out numbers and getting a great response, and finally decides to try it himself. So he shouts out Twenty-two and is greeted with a deafening silence. Chagrined, he asks the bartender what he did wrong and the bartender says, You fucked up the punchline, man. Sometimes it's nice to have a cyberdrink with folks who know all the punchlines. That's conforting in a sometimes abrasive world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if all this is extremely helpful and you haven't been involved in TM in 15 years, what are you doing here? Participation here is a waste of time for everyone, of course, but certainly for someone who outgrew TM 15 years ago and has had great experiences since... I know this was not addressed to me. But I do fit the description, although I would not say I outgrew TM. I let go of it as a conceptual model. This group discusses very abstract topics in a way that is unconstrained by TM dogma. That makes it possible to actually discuss topics in a human way that I think has a real value. The questions about human awareness and it's meaning are not restricted to spiritually minded people. Thoughtful people from all perspectives think about this stuff, even humanists. For me to learn new perspectives takes going outside the group of people who already thinks as I do. Hanging out with people from other cultures can do the same. This opportunity is unique. Not really. There are plenty of forums where such discussions take place. This is the one where people with TM baggage participate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: [It is useful to be] constantly being open to new data and new concepts. For example, maybe we often skip a poster which our theory predicts will waste our time. BUT, my point of the orignal post was, when we occaisionally read the post, do so with an open, fresh mind, like you just met them, not be tied to the past and your prior evaluations of them, and see if what they write today, the words in themselves, in the CURRENT post, have any value. For example, if we have the view in our mind, prior to even reading a post, is that, This poster is full of Sh*t. They only post BS, play games, distort and swims in logical fallacies. then guess what we will find in almost any post they make: i) BS, ii) games, iii) distortions, and iv) logical fallacies. The search for such often overwhelms any points of merit in the post. My suggestion is to simply turn off the voices of past theories and hypotheses about the poster, and ones apprasial of their motives, and simply read their words without any prejedice -- aka pre-judgement. Not possible. Even the enlightened have history that colors their understanding of what they read or hear. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: [It is useful to be] constantly being open to new data and new concepts. For example, maybe we often skip a poster which our theory predicts will waste our time. BUT, my point of the orignal post was, when we occaisionally read the post, do so with an open, fresh mind, like you just met them, not be tied to the past and your prior evaluations of them, and see if what they write today, the words in themselves, in the CURRENT post, have any value. For example, if we have the view in our mind, prior to even reading a post, is that, This poster is full of Sh*t. They only post BS, play games, distort and swims in logical fallacies. then guess what we will find in almost any post they make: i) BS, ii) games, iii) distortions, and iv) logical fallacies. The search for such often overwhelms any points of merit in the post. My suggestion is to simply turn off the voices of past theories and hypotheses about the poster, and ones apprasial of their motives, and simply read their words without any prejedice -- aka pre- judgement. I think I'm pretty good at that, actually. In my experience, no poster (here or elsewhere) is *always* full of shit, etc. I'm more often disappointed to *find* the same old shit, etc., in a post than surprised to find something of value in the post--i.e., finding something of value in a post from someone with whom I'm frequently in conflict doesn't surprise me, from which I conclude that I'm not *expecting* to find the same old shit. And when I do, it's a disappointment rather than a fulfillment of expectations. I am not saying everyone does this. (Or, while perhaps we all do it to some degree, sometimes, not all do it pervasively or even often.) Its sort of if the shoe fits type advice. And no one but a person themselves can really say if the shoe fits. Some tty to diagnose others mindsets, worldviews, motives, inner hypotheses, etc. But it really can't be done with much accuracey, IMO, particularly among strangers that is people who have never met,and only know a small slice if life of another. And editors, and/or people that review a lot of text for others -- not necessarily formally an editor, I find are often adept at getting into others POV, and are thus less tied to a particular POV. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Good News!- Education Tour a Great Success
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huge demand? perhaps not a demand for TM, but a demand for *something*. The seminar I participated in in Tucson had about 80 people show up. True, most of them were invited guests there at least partly for the free lunch, but they were QUITE interested in what was said. We're still editing the video of the seminar. Will post the URL as we get stuff up. Good News! Archive http://mum.edu/goodnews/welcome.html Education Tour Creates Huge Demand for Transcendental Meditation Program in Schools US Peace Government president Dr. John Hagelin and a renowned panel of educators and scientists have just completed an extremely successful national tour to promote Consciousness-BasedSM education and the impact of the Transcendental Meditation® program on educational outcomes. The speakers (click here for bios and photos http://istpp.org/enews/2006_05_17_bios.html ) visited 13 major cities in Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, New York, and New England and spoke at luncheon conferences to over 1,200 principals, superintendents, teachers, school board members, and local government leaders. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So, if all this is extremely helpful and you haven't been involved in TM in 15 years, what are you doing here? Participation here is a waste of time for everyone, of course, but certainly for someone who outgrew TM 15 years ago and has had great experiences since... One might as well ask why someone who thinks it's a waste of his time to be here is here. :-) I waste my time in many ways... It's really *not* a waste of my time. I learn things here. If you don't, I would suggest the problem is not with the forum. Heh. Says the guy who has had a love/hate internet relationship with Judy for about 10 years. And they call ME OCD... [...] In a way, it's like that bar where the regulars had heard all the jokes so many times that they didn't even bother telling them any more. They just numbered them and someone would call out Thirty-one and everyone would crack up and toast the joke-teller. Then one day a stranger walks in and sits there puzzled, trying to figure out what is going on. He listens to people calling out numbers and getting a great response, and finally decides to try it himself. So he shouts out Twenty-two and is greeted with a deafening silence. Chagrined, he asks the bartender what he did wrong and the bartender says, You fucked up the punchline, man. Actually, YOU fucked up the punchline. The original was its all in the delivery. Sometimes it's nice to have a cyberdrink with folks who know all the punchlines. That's conforting in a sometimes abrasive world. It's all in the delivery... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So, if all this is extremely helpful and you haven't been involved in TM in 15 years, what are you doing here? Participation here is a waste of time for everyone, of course, but certainly for someone who outgrew TM 15 years ago and has had great experiences since... One might as well ask why someone who thinks it's a waste of his time to be here is here. :-) I waste my time in many ways... Sorry to hear that. How sad. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In a way, it's like that bar where the regulars had heard all the jokes so many times that they didn't even bother telling them any more. They just numbered them and someone would call out Thirty-one and everyone would crack up and toast the joke-teller. Then one day a stranger walks in and sits there puzzled, trying to figure out what is going on. He listens to people calling out numbers and getting a great response, and finally decides to try it himself. So he shouts out Twenty-two and is greeted with a deafening silence. Chagrined, he asks the bartender what he did wrong and the bartender says, You fucked up the punchline, man. Actually, YOU fucked up the punchline. The original was its all in the delivery. That's close to the way I heard it: Ah, well, some people can tell a joke, some can't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Driven by the Past -- A Sign of Deep Spirituality?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: [It is useful to be] constantly being open to new data and new concepts. For example, maybe we often skip a poster which our theory predicts will waste our time. BUT, my point of the orignal post was, when we occaisionally read the post, do so with an open, fresh mind, like you just met them, not be tied to the past and your prior evaluations of them, and see if what they write today, the words in themselves, in the CURRENT post, have any value. For example, if we have the view in our mind, prior to even reading a post, is that, This poster is full of Sh*t. They only post BS, play games, distort and swims in logical fallacies. then guess what we will find in almost any post they make: i) BS, ii) games, iii) distortions, and iv) logical fallacies. The search for such often overwhelms any points of merit in the post. My suggestion is to simply turn off the voices of past theories and hypotheses about the poster, and ones apprasial of their motives, and simply read their words without any prejedice -- aka pre-judgement. Not possible. Even the enlightened have history that colors their understanding of what they read or hear. Are you saying its not possible at all? If so,I strongly disagree. Its my experience that it can be done, at least to some degree. Often to a large degree. Are you saying its not possible completely? If so, you have a stronger case than above. And I argue, it may be possible to be done completely. But thats a small part of the larger question. One we can disagree on. But we may be having a semantic malfunction here. I suggest one can have history that colors their understanding of what they read or hear -- and still not be bound by pre-judgement and stereotypes of a particular author -- but rather can give them at least one read without prejudice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In a way, it's like that bar where the regulars had heard all the jokes so many times that they didn't even bother telling them any more. They just numbered them and someone would call out Thirty-one and everyone would crack up and toast the joke-teller. Then one day a stranger walks in and sits there puzzled, trying to figure out what is going on. He listens to people calling out numbers and getting a great response, and finally decides to try it himself. So he shouts out Twenty-two and is greeted with a deafening silence. Chagrined, he asks the bartender what he did wrong and the bartender says, You fucked up the punchline, man. Actually, YOU fucked up the punchline. The original was its all in the delivery. That's close to the way I heard it: Ah, well, some people can tell a joke, some can't. I am not sure anyone can claim this is the original -- but the way I always heard it was, some people just can't tell a joke. And while this is one of my favorite jokes, I can't image anyone who has not heard it. Its been posted on FFL a number of times. I heard it first perhaps 40 years ago. Perhaps its new to Turq. Regardless, perhaps we can number it. 99. So we don't have to keep reading it. We can just laugh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, you have to go through it, and there are numerous practical approaches to doing that -- pick up a book on your problem to guide you to positive supportive groups, look into breathing techniques and bodywork which are essential for emotional pain lodged in the body, find a trusted healer who can deal directly with energy body, try doing the opposite of what you've been doing that isn't working, etc. etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Healthful MUM Fitness, Exercise and Asana Programs
Title: Healthful MUM Fitness, Exercise and Asana Programs The Review, Vol. 21, #16, May 24, 2006 Copyright 2006, Maharishi University of Management http://www.mum.edu/TheReview 1. Dr. Schneider Publishes Book on Heart Health 2. Eco-Fair Keynote to Highlight Design Using Nature 3. Inaugural Class of Accounting M.B.A. Ready for Internships 4. Student Fitness Profile Reveals Strengths, Concerns 5. Educators Amazed by University's Exercise Program 6. Students Benefit from Asanas Course 7. China Celebration to Include Photography, Food, Music, Poetry 8. Award-Winning Classical Guitarist to Perform 9. Transformation of Utopia Park Begins 10. Events Calendar Now Available on the Internet 4. Student Fitness Profile Reveals Strengths, Concerns The results have now been tabulated from the fitness testing of all students last fall, showing that students rate highly in areas such as blood pressure, but need more work on areas such as flexibility and upper body strength and endurance. Faculty member Raul Calderon, who did the testing, said that overall the University has a fairly fit student population, but there are specific areas to focus on. All of the individual fitness scores, as well as the overall fitness score, are assigned to one of four categories: excellent, fit, fair, and needs work. The average overall fitness score for all students is 68% for the males, and 64% for the females, putting both groups in the fit category. But Dr. Calderon says it is also useful to look at individual fitness categories to better understand each fitness component. While 77% of the males have an overall fitness score that puts them in the excellent or fit categories, 18% are rated fair and 5% are rated needs work. For females, 67% fall into the excellent or fit category, but 30% are rated fair and 2% need work. The students' highest score is blood pressure, a component of cardiovascular fitness, with 98% of females rating excellent in both systolic and diastolic, and 68% of males rating excellent in systolic and 75% in diastolic. The category in which the highest percentage of students are rated as needs work is, surprisingly, flexibility: 31% of males and 45% of females are rated as needs work. In the area of upper body muscular strength, 43% of males and 31% of females are rated as needing work. For muscular endurance, it's 27% of males and 47% of females. Dr. Calderon said that the purpose of these measures is to help students see where they stand in health-related fitness and to be able to structure a fitness program to help them improve their overall health and fitness. He has now done the follow-up assessment for about half the students, and he expects the above percentages to be improved. He will not only provide students with a progress report but will correlate the progress with the students' Mod Log reports to get a sense for how well the system is meeting student needs. The overall goal of the program, Dr. Calderon said, is to get more people more active more of the time and to give students a well balanced program, insuring their progress in each of the five standard components of fitness: cardiovascular fitness, flexibility, body composition (percentage of body fat), muscular strength, and muscular endurance. 5. Educators Amazed by University's Exercise Program Physical educators were amazed to hear about the University's innovative exercise program when Ken Daley, head of the Department of Exercise and Sport Science, gave a presentation at the recent national meeting of the American Alliance for Health, Physical Education, Recreation, and Dance in Salt Lake City. Those who heard about our Mod Log Program, either at my poster session or in other meetings, were amazed that there's someplace so deeply committed to health that they would support such an innovative program, Mr. Daley said. No other university in the country is even thinking of something that's at this level of sophistication. The program entails fitness testing for all students twice a year, individually tailored fitness programs, and required daily exercise. Mr. Daley said there have been some understandable challenges in implementing the program, but that in general it's been successful. We're having challenges because we're exploring new territory, but I'm very optimistic that this will be the wave of the future because of the growing importance of preventive health. He said that there's a nationwide epidemic of diabesity -- the occurrence of diabetes and obesity -- and that one in three young persons is overweight. In addition, the college lifestyle has been shown to cause a deterioration in health, and the freshman commonly gain weight. The University's goal is to have just the opposite effect: to increase the student's health. Our diabesity profile is very encouraging, Mr. Daley said. At the meeting in Utah, Mr. Daley put the Mod Log Program in the context of the University's overall commitment to a complete wellness
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree there's a severe limit to the progress that can be made with talk therapy that focuses on intellectual analysis of past hurts. But the fact remains that you can't transcend your way out of deep emotional pain, you have to go through it, and there are numerous practical approaches to doing that -- pick up a book on your problem to guide you to positive supportive groups, look into breathing techniques and bodywork which are essential for emotional pain lodged in the body, find a trusted healer who can deal directly with energy body, try doing the opposite of what you've been doing that isn't working, etc. etc. It seems TM and other methods (SSRS breathing for example) where stuff-- associated with deep life trauma -- pops up, aka thoughts, strong emotions etc, but one doesn't dwell on the content but rather on the generalized structure of the stuff via various passive attention methods. I don't recall that real-life TM - that which is / was practiced on long rounding courses or siddhi practice saying one can transcend your way out of deep emotional pain. In effect, one deals with the structure of the stuff, but that does not require analytical deconstruction of the event or dynamics on a content level. Nor does any deep-breathing or rebirthing technique that I am aware of --though I hardly have comprehensive knowledge of such. Maybe some do. Many don't. And I agree with Turq. Sometimes, often IME, some issues just disappear. IME, this happens without any attempt to dig into the specifics of the trauma and its interlinking dynamics: you said, but you said, but you did, yea dad did .. ..., . For example, my father -- a wonderful guy in many ways -- had a sharp intellect but with blind spots. And was quite reactive. Sometimes I think he subconsciously was looking for something to get mad at, to blow off steam -- a stress release mechanism. (He had a career with more stress than most). Small things would get him going on some issue, a bit out of perspective in the view of many. If you bit --bought into the arguement and reacted, it just fed on itself into some stupid family argument. A week or two after starting TM (I was 17, still living at home), I just stopped reacting. It was not an intellectual thing. But a natural buffer of contentment and happiness was there and I just did not react to silliness. I just smiled with natural compassion and moved on. No dealing with the specific dynamics of our interaction. No dealing with parental issues. No dealing with specific content of his ctiticisms. The problem just evaporated. Thats not to say that some specific attention on the content (in distictionion to the structural) level of a problem area may not be productive in some circumstances. But I disagree with Tom -- if I understand his position correctly. Its not an absolute necessity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] this time a celebrity has it right
Yes American farming subsidies really hurt a lot of third world countries. In Jamaica dairy farmers have to dump milk because the country is forced to take American subsidized milk. There is a DVD documentary on this very subject called Life and Debt. It was made by the daughter of a former Jamaican President. It not only spells out the trouble with subsidies but what the IMF does to countries in debt. The IMF has already warned the US about its debt. In Argentina they even seized 401Ks. shempmcgurk wrote: This is classic Free-Market Economics: when a government gives its farmers subsidies it increases supply and thereby decreases price. The ones that are hurt most are the Third World farmers who are NOT getting subsidies and are getting LESS for their product. --- Bono Attacks American Stance On Cotton Trade Irish rocker Bono has hit out at America's stance on the cotton trade during his visit to Mali, the latest stop on his African tour. The singer visited cotton farmers in the north-western African country and promised to fight their case at the new World Trade Organization (WTO) summit. He says, There are cotton farmers in America who need to meet you. This is my biggest desire because I think they will understand you better because I think American cotton farmers would respect how you work the land so well with little water. The reason you don't get more for your cotton is because world trade talks, the people who are sitting at the table, do not respect your situation. We will try to represent you in the trade talks where they won't let you sit. Bono criticized America for handing out $4.2 billion in subsidies to its cotton farmers in 2004-2005. He believes these payments depress the international cotton market and ruin African economies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. And possibly their use of the label awakening refers to something different than how (some) others may understand the attributes and state associated with that label. And/or maybe they are just waking up to the fact that they have a lot of baggage to deal with. And when its resolved, perhaps they will feel a new level of awakening. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/24/06 1:42 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. And possibly their use of the label awakening refers to something different than how (some) others may understand the attributes and state associated with that label. Possibly, but I'm using it in the usual sense: Self-Realization And/or maybe they are just waking up to the fact that they have a lot of baggage to deal with. And when its resolved, perhaps they will feel a new level of awakening. Undoubtedly. Deeper and deeper. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 24 adopted countries
whyich brings us back to the question which these countries are. Anyonre knows? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/21/06 1:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote: Just realized MMY has adopted 24 countries. Adopted them means what? Changes their diapers, buys them braces, sends them to college? Concentrates the attention and actions of the TMO specifically to those countries. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. Asking the same question that you asked Vaj, why do you make unprovable assumption that these people are Awakened? Or that the label Awakening has much of a common connotation to many -- and thus elucidates more than it obscures? It would appear that saying, several friends said that recently the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than they have experienced before. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. gets across the idea you were trying to make but without the use of i) unprovable assumption (your words) and, ii) many-meaning labels. Why is Awakening, even if it meant the same to all folks, relevant for this point? Are you assuming you will be awakened soon? More imminent than you figured on on any other day in the past 32 years? (37-5=32) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 24 adopted countries
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whyich brings us back to the question which these countries are. Anyonre knows? The Good Ones, obviously. :) Someone posted a list a while back. I think Netherlands, most of Scandanavia, Germany, some newer eastern European countries, etc. were on it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/21/06 1:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@ wrote: Just realized MMY has adopted 24 countries. Adopted them means what? Changes their diapers, buys them braces, sends them to college? Concentrates the attention and actions of the TMO specifically to those countries. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
I
have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon
thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other
emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely
than
before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not.
Stay tuned.
On the one hand, post-Awakening, a lot of stuff is seen for what it
is, because the ego is no longer owning and justifying and convoluting
all of our emotional baggage, so their is *a lot* to deal with in the
clarity of a bright new consciousness of Self. It is no longer masked
behind rationalization, because we now understand that although we
continue to be responsible for its resolution, we no longer feel as if
we own it.
On the other hand, the absence of ownership of all of the emotional
baggage makes it a snap to deal with. Once Awakened, the emotional
baggage, though its covering or shell looks and feels the same as it
did pre-Awakening, is seen to be transparent once we accept it, and it
is very rapidly resolved.
So, post-Awakening, though we may be confronted by all of these past
patterns, with no ownership ('usurpment', actually) conveyed by us,
rest assured these past patterns fall away as shadows, easily
dispensed with.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
On May 24, 2006, at 2:42 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. And possibly their use of the label awakening refers to something different than how (some) others may understand the attributes and state associated with that label. And/or maybe they are just waking up to the fact that they have a lot of baggage to deal with. And when its resolved, perhaps they will feel a new level of awakening. Exactly. Perhaps it could be as simple as a transition from severe depression to radical alleviation of that depression into an expanded sense of well-being? What if the dissolution of the depression coincides with a dissolution of the various complexes underlying that condition, perhaps in a way similar to what Barry was sharing? Of course you would feel awakened but what does that mean? Does it mean what the ego tells you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Healthful MUM Fitness, Exercise and Asana Programs
Yeah, to those of us who have had many years of dealing with TMO silliness, denial and generally extremely uptight behavior, the notion that many of them need to be more flexible is indeed surprising. Sal On May 24, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: The category in which the highest percentage of students are rated as needs work is, surprisingly, flexibility: 31% of males and 45% of females are rated as needs work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: I have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. Asking the same question that you asked Vaj, why do you make unprovable assumption that these people are Awakened? Or that the label Awakening has much of a common connotation to many -- and thus elucidates more than it obscures? It would appear that saying, several friends said that recently the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than they have experienced before. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. gets across the idea you were trying to make but without the use of i) unprovable assumption (your words) and, ii) many-meaning labels. Why is Awakening, even if it meant the same to all folks, relevant for this point? Are you assuming you will be awakened soon? More imminent than you figured on on any other day in the past 32 years? (37-5=32) The Self in each of us recognizes the Self in another. We are conscious of this to one degree or another, whether our Self has been fully awakened to us, or not. This is how someone somewhat Awake will recognize another who is fully Awake, and vice versa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Kai Druhl stirs things up in Smith Center, Kansas
Maharishi meets the Bible Belt Posted 5/23/2006 12:19 AM ET By Judy Keen, USA TODAY SMITH CENTER, Kan. � The land is flat, roads are straight and churches are plentiful in this town of 1,800 near the geographic center of the USA's lower 48 states. So here in traditional Kansas, the recent purchase of land by representatives of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to build what they're calling a World Capital of Peace � just outside town � where meditators will send waves of coherence across the country � has many residents riled. The group plans to spend at least $15 million to erect 12-15 buildings for a retreat, training center and residences. Some people call them a cult, and some little old ladies are locking their doors, says farmer Bryce Wiehl, 50. You're in the Bible Belt, and this is a Hindu-based religion. People don't like that idea. The maharishi's followers practice transcendental meditation, silently focusing on a mantra to achieve what they call a state of pure consciousness. They believe TM has the power to reduce stress and crime, help end poverty and create peace. Positive energy or a 'cult'? Those beliefs are not compatible with Christianity, says Greg Judy of Faith Community Bible Church. He's one of nine pastors who wrote to the editor of the Smith County Pioneer warning that they will compete with what everyone here calls the TMers for residents' eternal souls. Not everyone is upset. Mayor Randy Archer says the town is very divided ... but we're looking at it with open eyes, open minds. Archer says he doesn't know enough about the TMers to really make any judgments. People around town, he says, are going to make their own conclusions, and so be it. Burke Phelps, president of First National Bank, says, Sometimes people forget that this country is based on freedom of religion. If what they want is peace and understanding, I'm all for it. We need to wait and give these people a chance. I don't see anything scary. Eric Michener, 54, who is helping coordinate the TM project, says all his group wants is a chance. The community has reacted perhaps in a traditional way to any outside idea: with apprehension, some fear but basically not out of any knowledge, he says. I've heard people say we are some type of satanic cult. I would love to meet with anyone who is concerned about what we are really about. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the transcendental meditation movement, became famous in the 1960s, when his followers included celebrities such as the Beatles. He's now somewhere between 89 and 95 and living in Holland. In 1971, he conceived a university now called the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa. In 2001, his followers incorporated Vedic City just outside Fairfield. The maharishi also is building peace palaces around the world where meditators try to reduce crime and conflict. They are planned for New York City, Minneapolis and Denver; they're already open in Houston, Bethesda, Md., and Lexington, Ky. Maharishi supporters founded the Natural Law Party in 1992. Its leader, John Hagelin, has run for president three times and heads the U.S. Peace Government that will be headquartered here. The World Capital of Peace won't be a traditional government. Instead, it will include buildings for training and meditating and a broadcast center, according to its website. Michener says Smith Center was chosen because it's close to the USA's center. Construction will begin later this year, but plans and the final price tag are fluid, he says. The TMers originally bought 480 acres here, but problems acquiring water rights prompted them to recently buy an additional 600 acres. Michener says 300 meditators will use the retreat facility to create waves of coherence that will benefit everybody in society. The site's central location will allow those waves to spread across the USA, he says. The current plans probably wouldn't be a big economic boon for Smith Center, Michener says. Eventually, local farmers might want to grow organic produce to market with crops produced by the TMers, he says, and a biodiesel plant might be built someday. Smith Center's population is shrinking and aging. It has lost more than 100 residents since 2000, 5% of its population. The biggest employer is an RV manufacturer with about 150 workers. Archer doesn't know if the newcomers will help the economy. We hope so, but there's no way of knowing, he says. Praying it won't happen Opponents of the TMers' plans organized a community meeting a few weeks ago. Several hundred people showed up to hear critics of the group from Fairfield, including Kai Druhl, a former professor at the maharishi's university who has left the TM movement, and Greg Crawford, pastor of Jubilee International Ministries. People in Smith Center need to be cautious, Crawford says in an interview. The presence of the maharishi's followers, he says, is going to have an effect on the spiritual climate. The churches need
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Self in each of us recognizes the Self in another. We are conscious of this to one degree or another, whether our Self has been fully awakened to us, or not. This is how someone somewhat Awake will recognize another who is fully Awake, and vice versa. Well said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In a way, it's like that bar where the regulars had heard all the jokes so many times that they didn't even bother telling them any more. They just numbered them and someone would call out Thirty-one and everyone would crack up and toast the joke-teller. Then one day a stranger walks in and sits there puzzled, trying to figure out what is going on. He listens to people calling out numbers and getting a great response, and finally decides to try it himself. So he shouts out Twenty-two and is greeted with a deafening silence. Chagrined, he asks the bartender what he did wrong and the bartender says, You fucked up the punchline, man. Actually, YOU fucked up the punchline. The original was its all in the delivery. That's close to the way I heard it: Ah, well, some people can tell a joke, some can't. I am not sure anyone can claim this is the original -- but the way I always heard it was, some people just can't tell a joke. And while this is one of my favorite jokes, I can't image anyone who has not heard it. Its been posted on FFL a number of times. I heard it first perhaps 40 years ago. Perhaps its new to Turq. Regardless, perhaps we can number it. 99. So we don't have to keep reading it. We can just laugh. This reminds me of a comedy 'concert' I attended in the SF Bay area many years ago (...included Ellen Degeneres (sp?) before she was well known), and one of the routines consisted of a comic getting on stage and just reciting well known punchlines, without the jokes. Sort of Uber Stand Up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Healthful MUM Fitness, Exercise and Asana Programs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The students' highest score is blood pressure, a component of cardiovascular fitness, with 98% of females rating excellent in both systolic and diastolic, and 68% of males rating excellent in systolic and 75% in diastolic. That seems to prove that women are better shabda-tanmaatra(?) meditators... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: this time a celebrity has it right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes American farming subsidies really hurt a lot of third world countries. In Jamaica dairy farmers have to dump milk because the country is forced to take American subsidized milk. There is a DVD documentary on this very subject called Life and Debt. It was made by the daughter of a former Jamaican President. It not only spells out the trouble with subsidies but what the IMF does to countries in debt. The IMF has already warned the US about its debt. In Argentina they even seized 401Ks. I don't understand. How can Argentina seize 401k's? This is an American program...or do you mean the Argentinian equivalent? And if this is so, those are private programs...how can the government seize them and whay? shempmcgurk wrote: This is classic Free-Market Economics: when a government gives its farmers subsidies it increases supply and thereby decreases price. The ones that are hurt most are the Third World farmers who are NOT getting subsidies and are getting LESS for their product. --- Bono Attacks American Stance On Cotton Trade Irish rocker Bono has hit out at America's stance on the cotton trade during his visit to Mali, the latest stop on his African tour. The singer visited cotton farmers in the north-western African country and promised to fight their case at the new World Trade Organization (WTO) summit. He says, There are cotton farmers in America who need to meet you. This is my biggest desire because I think they will understand you better because I think American cotton farmers would respect how you work the land so well with little water. The reason you don't get more for your cotton is because world trade talks, the people who are sitting at the table, do not respect your situation. We will try to represent you in the trade talks where they won't let you sit. Bono criticized America for handing out $4.2 billion in subsidies to its cotton farmers in 2004-2005. He believes these payments depress the international cotton market and ruin African economies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/24/06 2:02 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely than before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not. Stay tuned. Asking the same question that you asked Vaj, why do you make unprovable assumption that these people are Awakened? 'cause I have more to go on than he did. I've heard them describe their awakening at great length. He was responding to my (probably poor) recollection of something I had heard Eckhart Tolle say. Or that the label Awakening has much of a common connotation to many -- and thus elucidates more than it obscures? I think most of us here have somewhat agreed upon definition of the term, as Barry was saying a little earlier. Why is Awakening, even if it meant the same to all folks, relevant for this point? Because it seems to be responsible for the amplification of excrement interacting with electric cooling device. Are you assuming you will be awakened soon? Maybe tomorrow, maybe never, but it seems closer. More imminent than you figured on on any other day in the past 32 years? (37-5=32) Yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/24/06 2:11 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
I
have several friends who Awakened recently, and they say that soon
thereafter, the shit hit the fan. They began feeling guilt and other
emotions that needed dealing with a thousand times more intensely
than
before their awakening. Maybe that's in store for me. Maybe not.
Stay tuned.
On the one hand, post-Awakening, a lot of stuff is seen for what it
is, because the ego is no longer owning and justifying and convoluting
all of our emotional baggage, so their is *a lot* to deal with in the
clarity of a bright new consciousness of Self. It is no longer masked
behind rationalization, because we now understand that although we
continue to be responsible for its resolution, we no longer feel as if
we own it.
On the other hand, the absence of ownership of all of the emotional
baggage makes it a snap to deal with. Once Awakened, the emotional
baggage, though its covering or shell looks and feels the same as it
did pre-Awakening, is seen to be transparent once we accept it, and it
is very rapidly resolved.
So, post-Awakening, though we may be confronted by all of these past
patterns, with no ownership ('usurpment', actually) conveyed by us,
rest assured these past patterns fall away as shadows, easily
dispensed with.
Easier to dissolve some mud in an ocean than in a glass of water.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/24/06 2:02 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or that the label Awakening has much of a common connotation to many -- and thus elucidates more than it obscures? I think most of us here have somewhat agreed upon definition of the term, as Barry was saying a little earlier. I for one have no problem with equating 'awakening,' as it seems to be used here, with what Maharishi called CC. Why is Awakening, even if it meant the same to all folks, relevant for this point? Because it seems to be responsible for the amplification of excrement interacting with electric cooling device. Interesting. I can honestly say that among the people I've run into who had extended periods of awakening the incidence of the merde hitting the oscillator seems to be about 50-50. Some seem to have a real roller coaster ride, and others just skate through the whole thing with nary a hair blown out of place. One of the things that Rama used to say was about the nature of Power Places in the desert. Some students would go to a particular spot in the Anza-Borrego and find it the shiniest, highest piece of land they'd ever stepped on, and their experiences while there just the best. And other students would go to the exact same gorge, on the same desert trip, and come away totally weirded out by the place. They felt a lot of fear while there, and found themselves working through a lot of heavy emotional experiences. Rama's response to this was that Power Places are indiscriminate. They don't actually have a fixed 'personality' or set of attributes; they are just sheer vibrating power. He described them as 'amplifiers.' They take the power of what you bring into the gorge with you and amplify it. Could it be that the post-wakening period you're talking about is similar? Some people have nothing but a good time with it, and others have some issues to work through. But it depends on what they carried with them into the experience? Are you assuming you will be awakened soon? Maybe tomorrow, maybe never, but it seems closer. More imminent than you figured on on any other day in the past 32 years? (37-5=32) Yes. Cool. Way cool. I feel the same way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
