s on where Flash is heading?
John
On 20/12/2012 05:50, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Well, there are several pieces.
ActionScript is a language. It is really only the dozen classes or so in the
“top-level” in the ASDoc. String, int, RegEx, Array, Vec
Alex
I pointed someone to this on Flashcoders:
http://www.mail-archive.com/flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com/msg58770.html
Do you have any new views on where Flash is heading?
John
On 20/12/2012 05:50, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Well, there are several pieces
ive my delayed posts but I have been teaching three days a week and busy
winding up the apprentices assessments for the end of term.
It's a great thing that Adobe have continued to keep you involved with the
project.
John
On 21/12/2012 21:43, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcode
ts for the end of term.
It's a great thing that Adobe have continued to keep you involved with
the project.
John
On 21/12/2012 21:43, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Actually, I’m not just hanging in there, I’m still paid by Adobe to
spend all of my ti
ot; wrote:
On 21/12/2012 18:52, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
To not allow existing SWFs to play where they currently play would “break the
web” and Adobe has no interest in doing that.
The next generation of AS is supposed to be easy to migrate to if you
On 21/12/2012 18:52, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
To not allow existing SWFs to play where they currently play would
“break the web” and Adobe has no interest in doing that.
The next generation of AS is supposed to be easy to migrate to if you
just want to get
ing to use any less CPU cycles than AS3, once it is
doing similar work?"
John
On 18/12/2012 05:38, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Things get lost in translation, but
one goal of the parallel frameworks is to not leverage things that get lost in
translati
20/12/2012 05:50, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Well, there are several pieces. ActionScript is a language. It is
really only the dozen classes or so in the “top-level” in the ASDoc.
String, int, RegEx, Array, Vector, a few functions like unescape,
etc, plus a bun
it is
doing similar work?"
John
On 18/12/2012 05:38, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Things get lost in translation, but
one goal of the parallel frameworks is to not leverage things that get lost in
translation. Otherwise, since JS and AS are ECMA-bas
On 18/12/2012 05:38, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Things get lost in translation, but one goal of the parallel
frameworks is to not leverage things that get lost in translation.
Otherwise, since JS and AS are ECMA-based, the translation works
pretty well.
Ke
the next three
to five years?
John
On 17/12/2012 16:31, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Adobe has no plans that I know of to
get ActionScript to work with HTML5 in the same way that Google is proposing
Dart as an alternative to JavaScript.
The Apache Flex projec
I’m not sure I understood. These roadmaps are nearly a year old. Folks still
thought that Flash Builder was being developed for Rich Internet Apps? I guess
we failed again to get the message out.
DesignView, as was discussed several times on the Apache Flex mailing list, is
tied to specific
for the next three to five years?
John
On 17/12/2012 16:31, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Adobe has no plans that I know of to get ActionScript to work with
HTML5 in the same way that Google is proposing Dart as an alternative
to JavaScript.
The Apache Flex proje
>
> Adobe’s focus for FlashBuilder is on building ActionScript gaming and
> premium video projects that run on the Flash player.
>
I think many people assumed that the driver was "legacy" in-browser flex
apps, plus AIR apps for mobile devices. That the older, legacy support had
been farmed out to A
involved with the
Apache Flex project.
On 12/17/12 2:16 AM, "John McCormack" wrote:
On 17/12/2012 05:12, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Adobe has spent the year donating the
Flex SDK and Falcon compilers to the Apache Software Foundation. While
On 17/12/2012 05:12, Alex Harui wrote:
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Adobe has spent the year donating the Flex SDK and Falcon compilers to
the Apache Software Foundation. While Adobe has a small set of people
contributing to Flex in Apache and a team that shipped Flash Builder
4.7
Adobe has spent the year donating the Flex SDK and Falcon compilers to the
Apache Software Foundation. While Adobe has a small set of people contributing
to Flex in Apache and a team that shipped Flash Builder 4.7 and is working on
subsequent Flash Builder release, Adobe is not leading the deve
Real alternative?... Nothing. There's only Flex ;)
El sábado, 15 de diciembre de 2012, Sal escribió:
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> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 'flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com');>, "Sal" wrote:
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> > hi,
> > as i can sadly see from the message history bottom grid, many
> programmers are
Hello
I recently found an interesting product : http://cappuccino.org which
seems to be technically a good alternative for flex (if needed). I have
not investigated at all, just had a look.
Of course, if even Adobe's flex is not reliable from the perennity point
of view, there is no reason why
Real alternative?... Nothing. There's only Flex ;)
El sábado, 15 de diciembre de 2012, Sal escribió:
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> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 'flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com');>, "Sal" wrote:
> >
> > hi,
> > as i can sadly see from the message history bottom grid, many
> programmers are
I'll use what I've always used. Visual SlickEdit and Apache ant. And from what
I've heard, FlashDevelop (http://www.flashdevelop.org), which is mature,
robust, free and open source, is also pretty good.
From: Ron G
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturd
On 18 January 2012 02:05, Merrill, Jason wrote:
>
>
> The problem isn’t even that large companies are in bed with Microsoft
> (that is a problem), but it’s that they have many many existing legacy
> enterprise apps that only work or have only been tested to work in IE, and
> those systems need to
nology Architect II
Bank of America Global Learning
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:59 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
The problem isn't even that large companies are in bed with Microsoft (that is
a problem), but it's that they have many many existing legacy enterprise apps
that only work or have only been tested to work in IE, and those systems need
to be supported and in place for years to come.
Jason Merril
I have said this before, look at google closure. you code in javascript,
annotate your types a compiler which gives you real errors, it has a
component library with a well defined livecycle. it is what gmail, docs,
goog+ is written in.
it is really really good.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Joh
Out of interest... why does ZK marketing material never mention HTML5? They
used to say "direct RIA" though I can't see that on the site anymore. I
thought HTML5 was the new buzzword and that it would make sense to state it
at least 3 times on every page?
John
2012/1/17 Ron G
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> Hi Joaoak
From: Rogerio Gonzalez
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
It is not just that...
I remember in the 90's there was IE and Netscape... then came Opera... and then
Gekko/Firefox replaced Netscape... now,
It is not just that...
I remember in the 90's there was IE and Netscape... then came Opera... and
then Gekko/Firefox replaced Netscape... now, there is Chrome.
There are so many browsers, because each one of then thinks that he is the
best for some kind of need of the user.
that means: each one
For me it's easy...there's no replacement for Flex...so... ;)
2012/1/15 Ron G
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> Michael,
>
> In my deliberations as to whether to stick with Flex or not, I weighed the
> likelihood of a successful open-source Flex community. And, I must say I am
> not as hopeful as you. For one, we alre
Apache FlashKit !
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
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>
> Open-sourcing AIR would be an awesome thing, but the Apache project has to
> assume it won’t happen.
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>
>
> On 1/13/12 9:19 AM, "Richard Rodseth" wrote:
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> I meant to say "prospect of a cross-platform m
Open-sourcing AIR would be an awesome thing, but the Apache project has to
assume it won’t happen.
On 1/13/12 9:19 AM, "Richard Rodseth" wrote:
I meant to say "prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that doesn't
depend on a proprietary runtime"
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM
I meant to say "prospect of a cross-platform mobile app framework that
doesn't depend on a proprietary runtime"
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Richard Rodseth wrote:
> I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache
> project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misp
I very much enjoyed my time as a Flex developer, and wish the Apache
project well. Some of the criticism of Adobe seems misplaced. The writing
was on the wall when the most popular mobile platform (iOS) didn't allow
browser plug-ins. I'm not painting Apple as a villain either. It's just
business.
You bring up some good points. I have been on a few calls between our company
and with Adobe on this exact subject right after the announcements were made.
We grilled them with questions, and though I won't fully disclose many of their
answers here, our development teams were confident enough
The fact that there is this discussion at all tells me something is up. I've
been burned by Adobe before as an Authorware user, and again now as a Flash /
Flex user, and that's twice too many times for this little black duck.
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] O
Flex and FlashBuilder are not part of Adobe’s HTML strategy per-se.
FlashBuilder is being directed towards Gaming in Flash, Flex is being donated
to the community. It is the community that has lots of investment in the
Flex/AS/FP stack that are looking reworking the Flex paradigm to output to
ubject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
I’ve never used COBOL, but I haven’t heard anyone say they really liked working
in with it. That’s not true for Flex so even if it gets marginalized because
it always remains locked to ActionScript and FlashPlayer, it may not be the
subject of cur
Well Ron, I don't agree with you.
There is a difference between a reality and our own perception.
I have seen a huge demand for flex based solution in
Education (hmh, piersons)
Finance (j p morgon, boa)
Healthcare (hospira)
Entertainment (directv)
Ecommerce ( eBay ) and the list goes on and on...
I’ve never used COBOL, but I haven’t heard anyone say they really liked working
in with it. That’s not true for Flex so even if it gets marginalized because
it always remains locked to ActionScript and FlashPlayer, it may not be the
subject of cursing.
I’m not in disagreement that in the long
I can’t think of anything the FlashPlayer could unload from its footprint that
wouldn’t just “break the web” for lots of other non-Flex swfs. Adobe has no
interest in “breaking the web” and thus it will continue to invest in not doing
so.
I’m not sure of your definition of “supported product”.
r
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:15 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Flex is an awesome product.Period. Atleast until version 3.
Then they bloated it. The new spark component makes it easy to do the skinning
but it costs a big deal in
Yep, and with no ability to access or make mods to the server like that, it
would be a no-go for us unfortunately.
Jason Merrill
Instructional Technology Architect II
Bank of America Global Learning
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Flex is an awesome product.Period. Atleast until version 3.
Then they bloated it. The new spark component makes it easy to do the
skinning but it costs a big deal in download time.
I am not sure there is anything flex specific in the Flash Player Runtime.
Flex is totally written with AS3 and the f
Unless I'm not understanding it right, ZKoss looks like it requires some web
server configuration in order to run. Flex doesn't, which is nice for people
like me who work in server environments they can't control. But it looks like
awesome tech! Am I right about it needing server side configur
Using ZK and Java is great. I'm still sticking to Flex for developing
desktop applications and gaming.
Of course, many will still using it for animations, there is no such thing
as "abandon", some developers
are just over use Flash and end up hurting user experience than necessary.
When it comes t
Staying with Flex until I see what happens with it during its first year as
an Apache project. I expect big improvements and many new and cool
features, it will only depend on Adobe if it will follow with the player.
Haykel Ben Jemia
Allmas
Web & RIA Development
http://www.allmas-tn.com
On Th
Staying with Flex. Not looking elsewhere.
Michael
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron G
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in f
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