[Sprinklerforum] Re: Residential Sprinklers

PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Residential Sprinklers If the space above is an unprotected combustible space then it's 8, if the space is protected (sprinklered or fire rated or full of insulation) then i

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Residential Sprinklers

If the space above is an unprotected combustible space then it's 8, if the space is protected (sprinklered or fire rated or full of insulation) then it's 4 Thanks Brett Peters General Manager Installation & Design Proudline Fire Protection Services Ltd. br...@proudline.ca 780 490 7602 of

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Residential Sprinklers

The standard specifically says “unsprinklered” when referring to the combustible concealed spaces and the 8 head requirement, so if you’re installing COINs I would say 4 is the right answer? Mike Morey CFPS 3229 • NICET S.E.T. 123677 Project Manager • Fire Protection Group Shambaugh & Son, LP an

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Carr Subject: RE: Residential sprinklers CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. Viking has a residential upright. Richard M. Carr, SET Project Manager/Design

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Viking has a residential upright. Richard M. Carr, SET Project Manager/Design Diboco Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 325 Jackson Loop Road Flat Rock, NC  28731 rich...@diboco.com 828-696-3400 828-696-2288 Fax 828-708-9118 Mobile -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Trillium Fir

Re: Residential Sprinklers in Stairs

In a condo all residential heads within in the Unit In apartments Residential in the unit and extended coverage in hallways All other service areas QR heads Sent from my mobile device Please excuse spelling, grammar, and auto correction. Mark Phillips Branch Manager Fire Sprinkler Design, Insta

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THANKS FOR ALL HEE HELP From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Taylor Schumacher Sent: January-07-19 1:32 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: residential sprinklers That is correct. I was unaware of this until my

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Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:29 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: residential sprinklers I AM 8' OFF SIDE WALL AND 17'6 OFF FAR WALL. WITH A HSW BUT SINCE ROOM IS LESS THAN 800 SQFT. I CAN USE THE ACTUAL ROOM SQUARE FOOT

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EMENTS AND USE THE GREATER OF THE 2. ANYONE DISAGREE? From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of cw bamford Sent: January-07-19 1:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: residential sprinklers For 18 x 18 use a 5.8

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di%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D&reserved=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of cw bamford Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:20 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.fires

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ign > *Sent:* January-07-19 12:57 PM > *To:* Sprinklerforum > *Subject:* Re: residential sprinklers > > > > WHy not use a K5.6 residential sprinkler? > > > Todd G Williams, PE > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > Stonington, CT > > 860-53

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YES. I HAVE MANY OPTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SUE I WAS READING THE CODE PROPERLY. THANKS FOR THE CONFIRMATION. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Fpdcdesign Sent: January-07-19 12:57 PM To: Sprinklerforum Subject: Re: residential

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WHy not use a K5.6 residential sprinkler? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-553-3553 (fax) 860-608-4559 (cell) > > On Jan 7, 2019 at 12:53 PM, (mailto:st...@protectiondesign.com)>

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Sorry 'bout that last one. Assuming you stretch the spacing to 18' x 18' your math is correct. But you don't have to assume maximum listed areas of coverage, you use the actual S x L. If a residential sprinkler is spaced so that its area of coverage is 14' x 16'-9", you have to use a sprinkle

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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 9:50 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: residential sprinklers I HAVE A HOTEL THAT SAYS NFPA 13 DESIGN. IF I USE RESI

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forum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 10:25 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers I would not get involved in such a toeing-the-line exercise. Just fire-protect the buildin

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ent of 13R, i.e. life-safety. SL -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Reed A. Roisum, SET Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:38 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers Thank you.

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after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Reed A. Roisum, SET Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:38 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers Thank you. New, but related question...the owner w

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| KFIengineers.com<http://www.kfiengineers.com> -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Paulsen Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:22 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Spri

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: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:14 AM To: Sprinklerforum Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers Reed, 6.7.7.1.3. (2007). Carries through in later versions (as far as I looked). I ran I. To a similar situation recently and we had to change to 13 Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design

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To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers > > You can only have a maximum of 4 QR sprinklers per dwelling unit, not just > compartment. If you need more than 4 standard spray sprinklers, you can't > comply with 13R. > > > Travi

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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of MFP Design, LLC Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:08 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers You can only have a maximum of 4 QR sprinklers per dwelling unit, not just compartment. If you need more

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forgotten." -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Art Tiroly Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 4:00 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers Using 5.6K QR heads will change the hydraulic calculations and minimum flows allowed by residential sp

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Using 5.6K QR heads will change the hydraulic calculations and minimum flows allowed by residential sprinklers. Art Tiroly ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly 24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 cell -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists

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If someone asked me to interpret this I think I’d say 903.3.2 refers back to just 903.3.1 which directs you to 903.3.1.1 “unless otherwise permitted by Sections 903.3.1.2 and 903.3.1.3

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Fire Marshals

JD: I'm going to offer this up in the absence of any response. I don't think you're going to get any opinion from AHJ's in general except, "residential fire sprinklers save lives and are good for our community".From a fire service perspective, sprinklers also provide an exponentially high

Re: Residential Sprinklers

Excellent! George Medina Jr. -Original Message- From: Cliff Whitfield To: sprinklerforum Sent: Sun, Feb 6, 2011 3:36 pm Subject: Residential Sprinklers Folks, Here is a link to an excellent article from the PME eNewsletter 2/3/11. I ish more PE’s felt this way. http://www.pmeng

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Interesting take on the possible litigation. I will be curious to see if any cases play out that way. Love his point of view. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield Sent: Sunday, Feb

Re: residential sprinklers on the TV

Nicely done. Hard to argue with the 1% and the firefighter says it's good and the insurance guy says save money. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Rod DiBona wrote: > Outstanding George!! We need more publicity like that. > > Rod DiBona > Rapid Fire Protection > > -Original Message- > From

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Outstanding George!! We need more publicity like that. Rod DiBona Rapid Fire Protection -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:38 AM To: sprinklerfo

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Nice George. Tell your fitter to tuck in his shirt. Why the F&M's and rod on cpvc? TD http://pahomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=159316 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/

RE: Residential Sprinklers on a dry System

orum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:37 AM To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org' Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers on a dry System The residential dry pendant is approved for dry pipe syst

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The residential area is a conditioned space above and below the ceiling, why can't we use residential pendents on return bends? Mike > From: m...@afpsprink.com > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:36:35 -0500 > Subject: RE: Residential Sp

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The residential dry pendant is approved for dry pipe systems! Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection *Licensed in KS & MO 913.888.0647 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.927.0222 cell www. AFPsprink.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

sulting > San Diego, CA > > > > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd > Williams > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:40 AM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org &

Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd > Williams > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:40 AM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems > > Always the last to know

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

Todd Williams >Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:29 AM >To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems > >There is no dry-type residential sprinkler that I could find on the >Tyco web site. Never heard of one either. Unless this is something

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

resprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dave Phelan Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems When you look at the press release they mention at the very bottom to follow sp

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

prinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dave Phelan Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:46 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems I see a few heads listed for dry service in residential systems .. Interesting but is there a specific DPV that m

Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

When you look at the press release they mention at the very bottom to follow special bulletins TFP 460 and TFP 461 for listing and design information etc .. Those particular bulletins don't seem to be available off the TFP website but I'm also not an authorized dealer / installer. Can anyon

Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

I see a few heads listed for dry service in residential systems .. Interesting but is there a specific DPV that must be used with a residential system? A listed head is great but the end result is still water delivery in 15 seconds and that seems pretty tough to achieve without carefully design

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

t;To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems > >There is no dry-type residential sprinkler that I could find on the >Tyco web site. Never heard of one either. Unless this is something >new, he may be blowing smoke up your whoop

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

nklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:33 AM To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems Has to be dry pipe system only and TYCO has a new Dry pendent Residen

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gt; > it's in TYCO's Rapid Response Home Fire Sprinkler System data. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:28:35 -0400 > >> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > >> From: t...@fpdc.com > >> Subj

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tem data. > > > > Mike > > >> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:28:35 -0400 >> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >> From: t...@fpdc.com >> Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems >> >> There is no dry-type residential sprinkler that I c

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

@fpdc.com > Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems > > There is no dry-type residential sprinkler that I could find on the > Tyco web site. Never heard of one either. Unless this is something > new, he may be blowing smoke up your whoops-a-daisy. > > My gu

RE: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems There is no dry-type residential sprinkler that I could find on the Tyco web site. Never heard of one either. Unless this is something new, he may be blowing smoke up your whoops-a-daisy. My guess is that you are

Re: Residential Sprinklers for Dry Pipe Systems

There is no dry-type residential sprinkler that I could find on the Tyco web site. Never heard of one either. Unless this is something new, he may be blowing smoke up your whoops-a-daisy. My guess is that you are going to have to use QR sprinklers and a 1950 sqft design area. Could you split th

Re: Residential sprinklers

Tony, That's going to change in the 2010. Read this: 11.3.1.2* Unless the requirements of 11.2.3.1.4(4) are met for buildings having unsprinklered combustible concealed spaces, as described in 8.15.1.2 and 8.15.6, the minimum design area of sprinkler operation for that portion of the building

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er.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: April 3, 2010 12:27 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential sprinklers I'm merely asking 'cause I didn't look anything up and I don't even have an opinion but if your TJIs are blocked and compartmentalized to the

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kler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon > Sent: April 3, 2010 10:33 AM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Residential sprinklers > > Tony: > 11.2.3.1.4 Restrictions. Regardless of which of the two methods

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10 10:33 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential sprinklers Tony: 11.2.3.1.4 Restrictions. Regardless of which of the two methods (density/area or room design method) is used, the following restrictions shall apply: (3)*Unless the requirements of 11.2.3.1.4(4) are met for buildings hav

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SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 Subject: RE: Residential sprinklers In the other rooms I'm using non-res heads and calculating all heads in such rooms that are adjacent to each other. This works out to about

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extend design area to patient rooms to get the full 3000 sf. Any comments? Tony -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal Sent: April 2, 2010 9:06 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkle

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h wall wetting. > > glc > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 12:06 AM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject:

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> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 12:06 AM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Residential sprinklers > > tony, first off why a 3000 sq ft remote area ? second - utilizing res > spkrs will not let you reduce an area to be calculated wherein 13 > requires; large

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klers offer us much more than high wall wetting. glc -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 12:06 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Reside

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tony, first off why a 3000 sq ft remote area ? second - utilizing res spkrs will not let you reduce an area to be calculated wherein 13 requires; largest room, corridor heads etc. Tom Poisal, CET Fire Sprink Ink On 3/31/10, Ed Kramer wrote: > Tony, for what it's worth, the commentary to section

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Tony, for what it's worth, the commentary to section 8.4.5.1 says "Where corridors serve dwelling unit areas and other adjoining spaces, residential sprinklers would not be permitted within the corridor." The FAQ located in the margin next to that commentary asks "Is it the intent of 8.4.5 to allo

RE: RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLERS IN NFPA #13

You are allowed to go to NFPA 13R for I-1 occupancies. IBC 2006 903.2.5 Group I. An automatic sprinkler system shall be provided throughout buildings with a Group I fire area. Exception: An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section 903.3.1.2 or 903.3.1.3 shall be allowed i

RE: RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLERS IN NFPA #13

You can use them but must follow NFPA 13 rules for residential sprinklers. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ralphy Henderson Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:26 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprink

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Scott, My company has done a lot of high end homes, I asked our residential superintendent to get me some pictures. I will gladly forward them to you. Jim Johnston, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Inland Fire Protection, Inc 1100 Ahtanum Road Yakima, WA 98903 Phone 509-248-4471 Fax 509-248-1180 j.

Re: Residential sprinklers in sloped ceiling over 8/12 pitch

I like AHJ number three since he's not guess engineering. "The more is better/save the building with a guess tweaked life safety system design" is the second biggest deterrent (after the water guys and their 4" minimum residential lead-ins and the $14K one inch tap fees--my personal favorite althou

RE: Residential sprinklers in sloped ceiling over 8/12 pitch

Three AHJ's all different all 13D. #1 Requires 2 head calc for all homes under 5000 Sf @ 0.05 Requires 3 head calc over 5000 Sf @ 0.05 Requires 4 head calc for over 8/12 any size, also 0.10, also only recessed heads (He will accept recessed heads that are not listed for up to 8/12, but will not al

RE: Residential sprinklers in sloped ceiling over 8/12 pitch

Dave In every instance we have to do a 3 head calc when there are at least 3 heads in the room where the steep pitched roof is (over 8:12). We've also had to use the UL listed flow required for the head up to 8:12 pitched ceilings which is 18gpm per head. These homes are also usually large homes

Re: Residential sprinklers in sloped ceiling over 8/12 pitch

I can think of a few things. Since we're doing a 0.05 density we could go up to 0.06 or 0.07 at the maximum spacing (15x14 actual equals 16x16) kind of like FM degrades the co-efficient for hydrant outlets relative to NFPA. We could go up one area so if we'd normally be using the psi/gpm numbers fr

Re: Residential sprinklers in sloped ceiling over 8/12 pitch

This is a tough one. For 13D systems, I usually propose to calc 3 sprinklers instead of two and the AHJs have so far gone along. I can only think of one 13R system where that applied. The AHJ on that one went along with using the head requirements for the maximum pitch (I think the pitch was ac

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Bob, Just to throw one of those ever present Pacific Northwest dark clouds into the mix I was talking to a guy from Tyco at a seminar a couple of months ago and asked if they had any conclusions regarding that report. He said that they hadn't been able to reproduce the result since that first seri

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

language establishing at least a standard of care. Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:05 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential S

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om: "Steve Leyton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions Except that we absolutely positively don't want to defer to 13. I get ___ Sprinklerfo

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

, May 07, 2008 11:20 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions Hi Mark, Your questions about the intent an function, even with some blocked spray pattern were concerns during the sloped and beamed ceiling testing that was done.? The Tyco

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

any committee action is > warranted or would even be useful at this time. > > > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike > Brown (TECH

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

the fire. Tom -Original Message- From: Eckard, Mark - Mark E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:30 am Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions Re: obstruction to sprinkler spray pattern development in 13-D. Firs

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> > > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike > Brown (TECH- GVL) > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:10 AM > To: sprinklerforum@fires

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

hom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Steve Leyton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:42 AM Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obst

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Re: obstruction to sprinkler spray pattern development in 13-D. First lets take a look at the purpose of NFPA-13D. Chapter 1.2 prevent flash over and to allow the occupants to escape during the 10 minute water supply. If too many sprinklers are operating in an area that has been hydraulically

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

sday, May 07, 2008 6:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions My point is that the NFPA 13D Committee should provide guidelines to follow in these situations. I do not care if they say calculate the room to light hazard as long as they put it in w

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

ay 06, 2008 5:08 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions I love these discussions cause I get to hear about the problems that the contractors have in designing these systems. Guess what...we (the AHJ) have the same problems trying to ap

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

ion Design & Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IPA Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:18 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions Sometimes, no matter how ridiculous it seems, it&#x

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Sometimes, no matter how ridiculous it seems, it's better to just to install them in every pocket then at least you're covered liability wise. Also, when you get into these high dollar luxury homes with beams, slopes, fireplaces in every room etc.. aesthetics plays a very important role and the hom

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

I love these discussions cause I get to hear about the problems that the contractors have in designing these systems. Guess what...we (the AHJ) have the same problems trying to approve them. I remembered a similar discussion saying something about not allowing them to build something that you c

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Please ignore. Sent to wrong party. Rahe Loftin - Original Message - From: rahe.loftin Sent: 05/06/2008 03:16 PM EST To: "sprinklerforum" Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions Please call them and tell them I am on the way Rahe Loftin

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Please call them and tell them I am on the way Rahe Loftin - Original Message - From: "Thom McMahon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05/06/2008 02:00 PM CST To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions Never worry about the AHJ&#

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

idge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 - Original Message - From: "Mike Brown (TECH- GVL)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions The NFPA 13D Committe

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

ssage- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:03 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions Bob: We run into this all the time. First question are the beams structural? I

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Hi Bob, I know you're using concealed but would your customer accept a sidewall in the beamed rooms? Owen >>> "Bob Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/06/08 9:50 AM >>> I'm working on a home (13D) that has several rooms with the ceiling broken up by "beam pockets". These vary in width from 2'8" to 3'

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Bob: We run into this all the time. First question are the beams structural? If the beams are decorative only drill the beams use your concealed heads and space as normal. While the beam rules for TYCO are ok, they have a lot of situations where you would have to tell the Arch. how to layout t

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

m@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions Bob, Is there a specific reason you can't use the type of residential sprinklers which are allowed to be installed either drilled through the beams, or installed adjacent to the bottom of the beams? From what you&

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Bob, Refer to Tyco data sheet TFP400 (for the LFII), page 4 of 8 where they discuss Beam Ceiling Design Criteria. You should be able to locate the heads in the bottom of the beams and avoid the pockets for obvious reasons. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PRO

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Some res heads will let you go 8" below the ceiling. With a 6" beam, stick one in the beam and let it go. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Knight Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:52 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Reside

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Bob, Is there a specific reason you can't use the type of residential sprinklers which are allowed to be installed either drilled through the beams, or installed adjacent to the bottom of the beams? From what you've described it seems as though the maximum depth of the "pockets" isn't more th

RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Look at Tyco's residential design guide for beams and pockets for their residential sprinklers. Best regards, Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS Burtell Fire Protection, Inc. Phone: 406.652.7697 Fax: 406.652.7743 Cell: 406.861.4507 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.burtellfire.com -Origina

Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions

Bob, I've got a similar situation in a building with residential sprinklers designed to NFPA 13, only with soffits. Four sprinklers in a 60 sqft bathroom seems excessive. So far I haven't come up with anything to let me eliminate sprinklers. IAt 12:51 PM 5/6/2008, you wrote: I'm working on

Re: Residential Sprinklers

The answer is black and white base solely on which standard tells you to do both. Roland On Mar 11, 2008, at 6:34 AM, Dyce Geoffrey H. wrote: In a residential space (hotel rooms) in a NFPA 13 building (high rise or over four stories) I believe you would use the LxW vs. mfgr requirements f

RE: Residential Sprinklers in a 13 System

Use 0.10 density over the room, or the head listing, whichever is greater. If you head is protecting 20'x12' then the area is 240 sq ft. At 0.1 gpm, the requirement is 24 gpm. A 4.9k head at 20x20 is 20 gpm, so you use the 24 gpm. If the head was protecting 20'x6', then you would use the listin

Re: residential sprinklers / NFPA 13

I would call the 07 ed material CLARIFICATION on what was the original intent. Keep in mind that this applies only to the 0.1 density side of the residential criteria. It is interesting that for discharge criteria we treat the residential sprinkler as a hybrid having to meet both the resi

RE: residential sprinklers / NFPA 13

Travis, It may depend on which flavor of 13 you're using. The '02 [11.2.3.5.2(2)] says to use the SxL method. The '07 version [11.3.1.2(2)] added the option of using the 'small room' rule. OK, I didn't know that off the top of my head, but I just learned something also. Ed Kramer Littleton,