In my case,
it is a CARP backup(master will be upgraded soon) rolling ospf on top of gre on
top of ipsec, running npppd,
and daily NAT/RDR for about 100 clients.
On 6 nov 2012, at 21:31, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> For people who are testing checksum-offload-enabling diffs, it would
> help if you
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 08:58:55AM +1100, Brett wrote:
> Not to disparage the hard work by Antoine and others on Gnome and KDE, but if
> upstream are going to entwine their code with non-standard OSs, then why
> bother with them?
That _is_ precisely the question I asked on GNOME lists. I'm not r
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> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:38:32 +0100
> Marc Espie wrote:
>
> > Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with
> > gnome) which is really harmful for us.
>
> > They occupy a few people in our team FULLTIME wi
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 04:57:20PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > And here's a diff to repair ^, whcih now produces correct results for
> > things like
> >
> > (dc)0.1 _1 ^p
> > or
> > (bc)0.1 ^ -1
> >
> > The diff is aga
* Alexander Polakov [121107 02:20]:
> I think this one is ready for wider testing.
>
> How to use: hit tab in exec menu to complete the command (start
> with / if you want something not in $PATH). When you're ready,
> hit tab again. This will open "file menu", which can be used to
> complete fi
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 21:49:12 +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> On 2012/11/05 13:57, Marc Espie wrote:
> >
> > This stuff is totally a moving target, it is probably going to change in
> > the future.
> >
> >
> > Note that there are very good reasons to prefer pie binaries in MOST cases,
> > includi
>> Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with
>> gnome) which is really harmful for us.
>
>> They occupy a few people in our team FULLTIME with respect to gnome, they're
>> the reason we still DON'T have a full kde4 in our tree (hopefully to be
>> addressed shortly), and
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:38:32 +0100
Marc Espie wrote:
> Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with
> gnome) which is really harmful for us.
> They occupy a few people in our team FULLTIME with respect to gnome, they're
> the reason we still DON'T have a full kde4 in our
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote:
>
> It's also quickly turning Posix and Unix into a travesty: either you have
> the linux goodies, or you don't. And if you don't, you can forget anything
> modern...
This IS the main problem.
I think this one is ready for wider testing.
How to use: hit tab in exec menu to complete the command (start
with / if you want something not in $PATH). When you're ready,
hit tab again. This will open "file menu", which can be used to
complete file argument.
Completion works for other menus as
On 2012/11/05 13:57, Marc Espie wrote:
>
> This stuff is totally a moving target, it is probably going to change in
> the future.
>
>
> Note that there are very good reasons to prefer pie binaries in MOST cases,
> including for 'static' binaries...
>
> So, as far as the chroot way goes, the mo
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
> Hi,
>
> And here's a diff to repair ^, whcih now produces correct results for
> things like
>
> (dc)0.1 _1 ^p
> or
> (bc)0.1 ^ -1
>
> The diff is against very current, so beware.
i've lightly tested it against gnu bc and it works
i d
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 21:39:42 +0100
Marc Espie wrote:
> I don't have ANY KIND OF SOLUTION.
Certainly couldn't for that general problem without likely being the
problem.
As I've said before I'm not a Gnome fan and far from a Gnome 3 fan
however the reason udisks dropped many gnome features like au
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 08:42:48PM +0100, TAKRIZ wrote:
> I hear you on this, thinking about it I'd like to ask you what would be a
> solution to this rather recurrent issue/problem we're facing from the Linux
> side of the spectrum? What would be a solution or a framework that could
> somehow nega
For people who are testing checksum-offload-enabling diffs, it would
help if you could say what sort of things have tested. Things like
fragments/NFS are far more likely to exercise bugs in the hardware
than standard web browsing.
Hi,
And here's a diff to repair ^, whcih now produces correct results for
things like
(dc)0.1 _1 ^p
or
(bc)0.1 ^ -1
The diff is against very current, so beware.
Please test. I have some regress test updates for dc as well. t9 turns
out to be a wrong test (computation of 2.1 ^ 500). Th
I hear you on this, thinking about it I'd like to ask you what would be a
solution to this rather recurrent issue/problem we're facing from the Linux
side of the spectrum? What would be a solution or a framework that could
somehow negate most of the effects of this particular problem?. I grew up
ti
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:15:04PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> It could well end up the other way around, with systemd dying. It does
> far too much and most of which is pointless in order to gain traction
> but also limiting it's scope and so success unless it is forked or
> radically changed o
Hey, dude-
> I too would prefer to use nitems, to be consistent with the rest of the
> code. Also reduces the number of gratuitous changes, and of course the
> size of the diff.
I chose the guard element approach because it leads to the smallest diff,
but I can move the definition of name_to_kbf
tested on
em0 at pci0 dev 25 function 0 "Intel 82579LM" rev 0x05: msi, address
00:25:90:27:da:51
em1 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000 MT (82574L)" rev 0x00: msi,
address 00:25:90:27:da:50
hwfeatures=36
on both
On 4 nov 2012, at 15:52, Brad Smith wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 09:49
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote:
>> Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with
>> gnome) which is really harmful for us.
>>
>> Those vendors say "we're not in the distribution business,
Hey, dude-
> Can you please provide a unified cvs diff?
The first patches I sent last week were cvs diffs, but I saw quilt
was recently added to ports to I switched to using it to manage all
of the patches (I have a few other things I'm working on, too, which
I haven't sent out for review yet).
> From your point of view everybody
> is nice to you ;-)
I'm not!
Miod
Hi Marc
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Marc Espie wrote:
> So, hey, do whatever you want with that. Apart from the proverbial
> curmudgeons,
> there are LOTS of nice people in the OpenBSD developer community, who are
> fairly open to a lot of stuff... I wouldn't be there if that weren't the
>
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Peter Hessler wrote:
> On 2012 Nov 06 (Tue) at 16:45:17 +0100 (+0100), Lars von den Driesch wrote:
>
> This is exactly what happened in Linux-land, and brought us to this
> place in the first point.
I know :-) And I understand this - but in this situation I be
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 04:45:17PM +0100, Lars von den Driesch wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Marc Espie wrote:
>
> >
> > This is a mindset we need to fight, and this has to be a grass-roots
> > movement.
> >
>
> I agree with most of your statement, but for a grass-root movement you
>
On 2012 Nov 06 (Tue) at 16:45:17 +0100 (+0100), Lars von den Driesch wrote:
:If you want people to gain traction you will need to
:reduce some standards...
This is exactly what happened in Linux-land, and brought us to this
place in the first point.
--
Math is like love -- a simple idea but
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Marc Espie wrote:
>
> This is a mindset we need to fight, and this has to be a grass-roots
> movement.
>
I agree with most of your statement, but for a grass-root movement you
will need to attract a lot of people. Otherwise you will move exactly
*nothing*. And let
I haven't caught-up, nor reviewed anything else yet, but comments
inline:
On Tue 2012.11.06 at 16:11 +0100, Thomas Pfaff wrote:
> Can you please provide a unified cvs diff?
'cvs diff -uNp' is best...
> [...]
> > for (iter = 0; iter < nitems(name_to_kbfunc); iter++) {
> > - if (strc
Can you please provide a unified cvs diff?
I've not tried this patch but I have some comments (see below).
> Useful for those times you want to use an unbound function, but even
> when the function is bound to something you haven't memorized yet it
> can be faster than lookup up the keybinding in
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote:
> in some cases, you even have some people, who are PAID by some vendors,
> agressively pushing GRATUITOUS, non compatible changes. I won't say names,
> but you guys can fill the blanks in.
I'll fill in redhat, making upstream support eve
Lets be honest, half the problem goes away if Lennart stops "hacking".
On 11/06/2012 03:45 PM, Marc Espie wrote:
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:43:50PM +0100, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
One could answer you that the BSD community is not involved enough with
upstream. 99% of the development is done on Linux by developers using Linux --
if you want that to change, some !l
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:43:50PM +0100, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
> One could answer you that the BSD community is not involved enough with
> upstream. 99% of the development is done on Linux by developers using Linux
> -- if you want that to change, some !linux people should get involved in
> o
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:15:04PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>
> Rather than spending time on these, are trinity and mate etc.. worth
> looking at?
I'm pretty sure trinity is worth looking at, haven't had nearly enough time
to do so, especially since it's yet another build system you need to d
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote:
> Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with
> gnome) which is really harmful for us.
>
> ...
Relevant LWN.net article: http://lwn.net/Articles/520892/
Apparently branding as a priority by some devs, is a major reason. I
can't believe a Gnome dev said he hadn't heard of XFCE to a
transmission dev!
http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
> in some cases, you even have some people, who are PAID by some vendors,
> a
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 01:38:32PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote:
> Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with
> gnome) which is really harmful for us.
>
> Those vendors say "we're not in the distribution business, distribution
> problems will be handled by OS vendors. We ca
Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with
gnome) which is really harmful for us.
Those vendors say "we're not in the distribution business, distribution
problems will be handled by OS vendors. We can break compatibility to
advance, and not think about it, this is not
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 11:32:19AM +0100, Mike Belopuhov wrote:
> attach fails early in case there's no firmware, but
> athn_detach does ieee80211_ifdetach and if_detach
> regardless of whether ifnet part got setup correctly
> leading to a free of an unallocated memory and a
> panic.
>
> the follo
attach fails early in case there's no firmware, but
athn_detach does ieee80211_ifdetach and if_detach
regardless of whether ifnet part got setup correctly
leading to a free of an unallocated memory and a
panic.
the following diff follows an established practice
in the other drivers and fixes the p
Here is a diff to add flow control support to vge(4).
Tested with..
vge0 at pci2 dev 4 function 0 "VIA VT612x" rev 0x11
ciphy0 at vge0 phy 1: CS8201 10/100/1000TX PHY, rev. 1
OK?
Index: if_vge.c
===
RCS file: /home/cvs/src/sys/dev/
Here is a diff to enable the checksum offload support for jme(4).
Tested with..
jme0 at pci4 dev 0 function 0 "JMicron JMC250" rev 0x11
Index: if_jme.c
===
RCS file: /home/cvs/src/sys/dev/pci/if_jme.c,v
retrieving revision 1.28
diff
Here is a diff to enable the checksum offload support for stge(4).
Tested with..
stge0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 "D-Link DGE-550T" rev 0x07
Index: if_stge.c
===
RCS file: /home/cvs/src/sys/dev/pci/if_stge.c,v
retrieving revision 1.54
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