On 23/01/2012 1:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Shaun Taylor mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
We now know Rossi is a self admitted liar, from the 6 Oct images we
know he placed the Tout bead to create an artificially higher
temperature than reality.
You think you know that, b
Shaun Taylor wrote:
>
> As I noted, the temperature was measured by Lewan.
>>
>
> Who is now known to have covered up multiple Rossi lies . . .
Not to my knowledge, he hasn't.
> Are you saying Lewans supplied the thermocouples and data logger, placed
> them HIMSELF and then independent to Ro
On 23/01/2012 12:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
As I noted, the temperature was measured by Lewan.
Who is now known to have covered up multiple Rossi lies and to have
accepted the BS Tout bead placement in the 6 Oct test. So please explain
why Lewans has credibility in your eyes?
Are you sayi
John Milstone wrote:
You have repeatedly used Lewan's statement that it *was* very hot to
> justify your claims of nuclear reactions.
>
Please note: I said the surface temperature did not *vary much*. That means
the internal temperature could not have been ~180 deg C later falling to
~100 deg C.
Thx Robert, I stand corrected.
From: Robert Leguillon [mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi
blog
During the September test (with the large steam release
st.
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3284962.ece/BINARY/Test+of+E-cat+October+6+%28pdf%29
From: zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:56:40 -0800
Agreed, wholeheartedly…. There was a therm
On 23/01/2012 6:38 AM, John Milstone wrote:
At the risk of confusing the issue, is it possible that Rossi is trying
to *reduce* the apparent temperature of the system?
After seeing the video of the September test, and reading Eff Wiavkeef's
comments here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es
self!
Wolf
You are not very bright are you Jed.
*From:* Jed Rothwell
<mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>
*To:* John Milstone <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, 22 January 2012 10:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:University test
ar to work.
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
I think that the device would explode long before it reached 10 bars.
Dave
-Origin
Did they stick the probe up the Ecat's bum?
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 11:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
Agreed, wholeheartedly….
There
Mary?
-Mark
From: Wolf Fischer [mailto:wolffisc...@gmx.de]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi
blog
This is were you clearly crossed the line. Get some air and do something
else besides insu
On 23/01/2012 6:08 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12-01-22 04:24 AM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
The goop is where the bead of the thermocouple was placed. There is no
other reason for anything like that material to be there other than to
provide a good heat exchange between the brass fitting and t
t very bright are you Jed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jed Rothwell
>>To: John Milstone
>>Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 10:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
>>
>>
I think that the device would explode long before it reached 10 bars.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
To: John Milstone
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
John Milstone wrote:
If the water
r anonymous "experts" and "secret" tests mean nothing.
From: Jed Rothwell
To: John Milstone
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
John Milstone wrote:
If the
test passed
.
*From:* Jed Rothwell
*To:* John Milstone
*Sent:* Sunday, 22 January 2012 10:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on
Rossi blog
John Milstone <mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
If the water was at 5 to 10 bars, it could easily be
:* Sunday, 22 January 2012 10:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on
Rossi blog
John Milstone <mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
If the water was at 5 to 10 bars, it could easily be heated to 150
- 180 C. in the preheating process
You are not very bright are you Jed.
From: Jed Rothwell
To: John Milstone
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
John Milstone wrote:
If the water was at 5 to 10 bars, it
John Milstone wrote:
>
> If the water was at 5 to 10 bars, it could easily be heated to 150 - 180
> C. in the preheating process. At that point, being wrapped up in that
> massive insulation blanket, it would stay over 100 C for hours.
>
There was a TC in the reactor. It measured over 100 deg C,
to the Department of'
Environment, the Region and the Municipality of Lacchiarella of over 30 billion
disbursed to dispose of the Sea of poisons never become oil.Marco Castoldi
NOTEXT
Marco Castoldi
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From: John Milstone
like crazy.
From: Jed Rothwell
To: John Milstone
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
It was above 100 deg C but that does not prove the heat came from joule
heating. It came
John Milstone wrote:
There are serious questions about the setup of the temperature measurements
> on the various E-Cat tests.
>
There are indeed. We discussed that at length here. Fortunately, as I
pointed out several times, we can ignore all of the temperature readings.
We can depend entirely
to see it. If you are relying on a
thermocouple that Rossi provided and installed, I'm not inclined to accept the
results from it.
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the
I wrote:
> Rossi and others measured the temperature and mass of the water dumped out
> of the reactor at the end, and reported it. . . .
>
Of course it cools down to 100 deg C immediately.
- Jed
John Milstone wrote:
> It would also explain the long, forceful jet of water/steam coming out of
> the E-Cat then the high-pressure side was opened at the end of the video.
> Rossi would have to hide the fact that the system is actually holding a
> temperature much higher than the 100 C. he cl
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rossi has made tremendous contributions to humanity, so
> stop kvetching about his foibles. They make no difference.
With respect to Rossi's own measure that commercial success matters
above all else,
he has yet to make any contributions huma
ossi would have to
hide the fact that the system is actually holding a temperature much higher
than the 100 C. he claims.
Just throwing it out there.
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat qu
On 12-01-22 02:45 AM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
Horton saw through the 6 Oct data fraud and reported it. Did anyone
here give Horton a "High 5 Good Job Mate"? NO. Now he appears to have
gone away as no one listened to him. Horton mate, I agree with you.
(a) It's Horace, not Horton (Horton was t
On 12-01-22 04:24 AM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
On 22/01/2012 6:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Shaun Taylor mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Rossi faked the 6 Oct data and fooled all the "Experts" that
attended the demo. Some BIG names there.
I see
Shaun Taylor wrote:
> Show me one test where Rossi did not run the event and truly allowed
> independent testers (NOT merely invited observers) to arrange, fit out and
> do the tests the way they determined they needed to be done?
>
I can't. The people who have done these tests do not want me t
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Hotmail wrote:
> **
>
> Shaun, you are in error. I have examined your pictures and like Mary, I
> do not see the significance of the goop you are referring to.
>
I didn't say I didn't see the significance-- I do. I am not that good at
pattern recognition. I wa
Hotmail wrote:
> People is that room, including Jed, verified that there was no input power
> to the heating element. . .
>
No, I wasn't there. However people who were there did this.
- Jed
Shaun Taylor sez:
>The goop is where the bead of the thermocouple was placed. There is no other
>reason for anything like that material to be there other than to provide a
>good heat exchange between the brass fitting and the thermocouple head.
Notice in the other 2 images it has been cleaned o
@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
>
> On 22/01/2012 6:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Shaun Taylor > <mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.co
On 22/01/2012 6:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Shaun Taylor mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Rossi faked the 6 Oct data and fooled all the "Experts" that
attended the demo. Some BIG names there.
Hey, do me a favor. I agree that thermocouple (T-out
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
>
> Rossi faked the 6 Oct data and fooled all the "Experts" that attended the
> demo. Some BIG names there.
>
Hey, do me a favor. I agree that thermocouple (T-out) placement is
critical and you can get almost any temp you want with incorrect
On 22/01/2012 5:54 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Jed Rothwell mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I do not trust his test data. I trust other people's test data taken
from his machines, and independent replications of them.
How in the world do you know that
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> I do not trust his test data. I trust other people's test data taken from
> his machines, and independent replications of them.
>
How in the world do you know that? Which other people? Where? When?
How? Can we interview them? If not,
On 22/01/2012 4:29 PM, John Milstone wrote:
>
There's also the possibility that it won't actually
work in actual independent tests.
You got that right. In spades!
Shaun
> The most reasonable answer to why he broke the contract was because he had
> already milked dry the bogus respectability it brought him for free, so why
> pay for it? There's also the possibility that it won't actually work in
> actual independent tests.
>
I agree that this is a plausible expla
ually work in actual
independent tests.
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
I have no explanation for why Rossi would have broken the contra
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
Eric Walker wrote:
It's a common tactic of those with something to sell to play up the
professional associations of others who are involved in some w
On 22/01/2012 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
Rossi has made tremendous contributions to
humanity, so stop kvetching about his foibles. They make no difference.
- Jed
Spew, chuck, vomit.
What tremendous contribution to humanity?
Jed the man is a serial LIAR. He lied about the shipping of the
On 22/01/2012 2:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
For all anyone knows he has been to the secret site. Lewan and I do not
follow Rossi around.
- Jed
Rossi claimed to have gone there to do the INSTALL of the BBB which was
in fact sitting, torn apart, in his factory. As Lewans knew of the "It
is gon
Eric Walker wrote:
> I have no reason to believe that his lack of fluency in English explains
> all of the confusion, but I also have no reason at this point to think that
> he's being devious in some deep sense.
>
He is often devious about things that do not matter. He drives me nuts
doing tha
h most new products
Maybe Rossi has done us all a favour , despite his personality or half truths
Pete
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:46:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Shaun Taylor wrote:
Shaun Taylor wrote:
> Rossi is a liar. Stop defending a liar saying he has the same rights to
> conduct business as an honest man.
There is no law against dishonesty in business, as long as you do not cross
certain lines. Mostly arbitrary lines. If liars did not have the right to
do business,
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> We do not understand him, but the general the outlines are clear. He is an
> inventor and businessman trying to make money. Not a scientist. He has no
> interest in academic kudos. He does not give a damn what anyone else
> thinks. He does w
On 22/01/2012 12:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Anyway, it is his business. He can conduct it any way he wants. It is a
free country.
- Jed
Rossi is a liar. Stop defending a liar saying he has the same rights to
conduct business as an honest man. Would you do business with a man that
you knew t
Eric Walker wrote:
> I have no explanation for why Rossi would have broken the contract. There
> is a lot that I don't understand about this story. It would hardly enhance
> his public image.
>
You've noticed!
I know why he broke it. I told you. It is a rational business decision. If
it suit
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> A good magic show can fool a few journalists and grad students and yes,
>> Levi
>> does not inspire confidence – but take a closer look at the “guests”.
>>
>
> I also fail to see the point of Rossi's pulling off a successful magic
> show, unle
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Eric Walker wrote:
>
>>
>> It's a common tactic of those with something to sell to play up the
>> professional associations of others who are involved in some way, which is
>> clearly what is being done here.
>>
>
> If it is "clearly being d
> If it is "clearly being done," then why has Rossi stiffed the university?
> Why did he break contract? How will this enhance his public image?
>
I have no explanation for why Rossi would have broken the contract. There
is a lot that I don't understand about this story. It would hardly enhance
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> I also fail to see the point of Rossi's pulling off a successful magic show,
> unless he's just flying blind and improvising at this point and is hoping to
> pull off a hail mary.
She does not need an ego boost.
T
>
> A good magic show can fool a few journalists and grad students and yes,
> Levi
> does not inspire confidence – but take a closer look at the “guests”.
>
I also fail to see the point of Rossi's pulling off a successful magic
show, unless he's just flying blind and improvising at this point and
Eric Walker wrote:
>
> It's a common tactic of those with something to sell to play up the
> professional associations of others who are involved in some way, which is
> clearly what is being done here.
>
If it is "clearly being done," then why has Rossi stiffed the university?
Why did he break
> Maybe Rossi thinks Prof Levi and Prof Focardi working privately in his
> laboratory is the same thing as the University of Bologna doing the work.
> That was until the University made it VERY clear they had never officially
> done any work for Rossi and this would not happen until he paid them wh
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> That is absurd – John.
>
> Do you have any depth of understanding on this test, since you seem to be
> coming in after all of these details have been hashed and rehashed ad
> nauseum ?
>
I'm not sure what there is to "understand" about the Oc
Jones Beene wrote: "A good magic show can fool a few journalists and grad
students and yes, Levi does not inspire confidence - but take a closer look at
the "guests"."
That misses one (the) major point about magic shows. When you go to Las Vegas
or Moscow to see a magician make a white tiger di
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:58 AM, John Milstone
wrote:
> (P.S. I hope I have the return address issue sorted out!)
Yeppers!
T
urday, January 21, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi
blog
There is still the nagging question of "was the power turned off or not?"
due to the genset still running - but any practical person would have to
conclude there is a good case for
On 22/01/2012 1:13 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
That is absurd – John.
Do you have any depth of understanding on this test, since you seem to be
coming in after all of these details have been hashed and rehashed ad
nauseum ?
These were not merely “guests” dragged in off the campus - Dozens of PhD
lev
On 2012-01-21 11:58, John Milstone wrote:
For what it's worth, here are the relevant links I have on Rossi's claims of
having been working with the University of Bologna...
[...]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c-1EvJK5PQ
January 12, 2012
Rossi says, "We are organizing a work with two univers
n just how hot the various parts of the
> device actually got, even though Rossi prevented any direct measurements.
>
>
> From: Jones Beene
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:00 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked
f the
device actually got, even though Rossi prevented any direct measurements.
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi
blog
There is still the nagging question of “was the powe
On 22/01/2012 12:56 AM, John Milstone wrote:
If you trust Rossi, then you might as well accept the numbers presented
by the unknown consultant of the secret company.
You mean the secret company in the US that Rossi claimed to have visited
to install the plant but somehow it slipped his mind th
d any direct measurements.
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
There is still the nagging
question of “was the power turned off or not?
I think what Shaun means is the “percolator effect” and not wet steam, per se.
It seems these two are being merged together, when there is a distinction.
Actually, the percolator effect (mass transfer via gas entrainment) is FAR more
misleading than wet steam would be, if you are looking for
On 21/01/2012 11:25 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Uh Shaun, wet steam is physical impossibility. All water boilers on
Earth produce 99-95 dry steam, including Krivit's water boiler. You need
to go high pressures and high steam velocities in order to produce
stable wet steam. So please, at least you s
i Valkonen
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on
> Rossi blog
>
> Uh Shaun, wet steam is physical impossibility. All water boilers on Earth
> produce 99-95 dry steam, inclu
A good example. I think it comes down to whether all of the water that
we see at the outlet, in whatever form, would have had to been converted
to water vapour at some stage in order to get there, requiring its
latent heat of vapourisation. In the case of my, and John's coffee
maker, not all
ssing something?
From: Jouni Valkonen
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
Uh Shaun, wet steam is physical impossibility. All water boilers on Earth
produce 99-95 dry steam, inc
Uh Shaun, wet steam is physical impossibility. All water boilers on Earth
produce 99-95 dry steam, including Krivit's water boiler. You need to go
high pressures and high steam velocities in order to produce stable wet
steam. So please, at least you should get the basic physics right.
—Jouni
On 21/01/2012 9:28 PM, John Milstone wrote:
For what it's worth, here are the relevant links I have on Rossi's
claims of having been working with the University of Bologna...
June 18, 2011, Rossi says, "In these days, together with the
University of Bologna and with my Customers, we have made te
For what it's worth, here are the relevant links I have on Rossi's claims of
having been working with the University of Bologna...
January 21, 2011, Rossi says, "We made an important test with the University of
Bologna, with whom we are going to make a 1 year research program also."
(http://www
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Robert Leguillon <
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The only reference that I could find on ecat.com to dispensation of
> university testing was more than two months ago, before Rossi seemed to
have
> disavowed it:
Interesting bit from ecat.com:
“We have som
The only reference that I could find on ecat.com to dispensation of university
testing was more than two months ago, before Rossi seemed to have disavowed it:
Q: Will you do more public tests of the E-cat?
Asked by Ecat.com 2 months ago
A:
1- we made all the tests we had to make
2- no more public
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