Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic
Both. However, when they're providing regen, you're not really getting dark fiber anymore, you're getting spectrum as a service. You don't get a 1 gigabit or 10 gigabit wave, you're getting 100 GHz, 112 GHz, 200 Ghz, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:33:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic Purely for curiosity what if you want to lease a span that requires Regen? Do you negotiate to install your own amps? Or is it common for the DF provider to provide Regen? On Mon, May 6, 2024, 9:51 AM Dan P via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Not to mention Zayo has a way of adding on tons of random fees so that $700 floor really is like a 1k floor From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2024 5:22 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic $700 seems to be Zayo's floor. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Zach Underwood" < zunder1...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:27:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic We pay $700 per month for a pair of dark fiber about 6km route from our data center to one of our sites both in downtown Atlanta from zayo. We run 40gbps 10km optics. On Fri, May 3, 2024, 11:04 PM Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: We have seen an extremely wide range of prices for dark fiber leases, it's one of these things where every situation and provider is different. I have been quoted prices over $100/mo per strand-mile and as low as $15/mo/strand-mile. A lot of the value seems to be what they suspect you're going to try to do with the strands. 50 Miles to a datacenter, you're gonna be running NxDWDM 100gig waves, big money. Shorter local/metro distance that maybe gets you between your NOC and a small/WISP style tower, or maybe grabbing a piece of an "island" run that can't even connect to anything else, much more reasonable prices. On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 5:50 PM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: > > For those of you who have dark fiber access, what kind of costs do you have? > > I'm thinking more of the cost to access these strands? IRU costs, lease, > swaps with other providers, etc? > > I want some sort of ballpark costs to know what's reasonable when we start > looking at this over wavelengths for shorter paths. > > On Thu, May 2, 2024, 2:50 PM Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: >> >> Mark, we do exactly this on a segment where we have leased 2 strands >> of dark fiber on a 30mile path. The ends of the run have 8-ch DWDM >> Muxes and we have two spots along the run where we have an OADM in a >> splice case to drop out a wavelength. At those points, we set a >> handhole next to the carrier's handhole, and they looped the 2 strands >> onto a 12F jumper into our case, so our OADM is in our case, in our >> handhole. Just be sure your optical margins are planned for any >> potential add/drop points because each does have some loss. >> >> On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF >> < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: >> > >> > We may have the opportunity to grab 2 strands of dark fiber. These will >> > allow us to build a loop between two points on our network. We have been >> > told we can also break into this fiber within our loop. I'm guessing when >> > we break into this fiber they will just extend the dark fiber into our >> > handhole and we will be responsible to figure out what we do once we cut >> > into that fiber. >> > >> > I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do this passively so we >> > don't have to depend on having our loop run though a customers location. I >> > was thinking of CWDM. I can setup a CWDM/DWDM at our site and send >> > multiple wave lengths down the fiber. Is there a way for me to break out >> > just one wavelength at a hand hole passively? >> > >> > Let's say I have a North/South run of 2 strands going though a hand hole >> > and I what to break out 1270nm for a customer. Is there away for me in the >> > hand hole, passively, to peel off just 1270nm. Put something like a 1x2 >> > splitter in on N1, N2, S1, S2 and send those 4 fibers into the customer >> > site. Then install a couple of 1270nm optics in a switch
Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic
$700 seems to be Zayo's floor. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Zach Underwood" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:27:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic We pay $700 per month for a pair of dark fiber about 6km route from our data center to one of our sites both in downtown Atlanta from zayo. We run 40gbps 10km optics. On Fri, May 3, 2024, 11:04 PM Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: We have seen an extremely wide range of prices for dark fiber leases, it's one of these things where every situation and provider is different. I have been quoted prices over $100/mo per strand-mile and as low as $15/mo/strand-mile. A lot of the value seems to be what they suspect you're going to try to do with the strands. 50 Miles to a datacenter, you're gonna be running NxDWDM 100gig waves, big money. Shorter local/metro distance that maybe gets you between your NOC and a small/WISP style tower, or maybe grabbing a piece of an "island" run that can't even connect to anything else, much more reasonable prices. On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 5:50 PM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: > > For those of you who have dark fiber access, what kind of costs do you have? > > I'm thinking more of the cost to access these strands? IRU costs, lease, > swaps with other providers, etc? > > I want some sort of ballpark costs to know what's reasonable when we start > looking at this over wavelengths for shorter paths. > > On Thu, May 2, 2024, 2:50 PM Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: >> >> Mark, we do exactly this on a segment where we have leased 2 strands >> of dark fiber on a 30mile path. The ends of the run have 8-ch DWDM >> Muxes and we have two spots along the run where we have an OADM in a >> splice case to drop out a wavelength. At those points, we set a >> handhole next to the carrier's handhole, and they looped the 2 strands >> onto a 12F jumper into our case, so our OADM is in our case, in our >> handhole. Just be sure your optical margins are planned for any >> potential add/drop points because each does have some loss. >> >> On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF >> < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: >> > >> > We may have the opportunity to grab 2 strands of dark fiber. These will >> > allow us to build a loop between two points on our network. We have been >> > told we can also break into this fiber within our loop. I'm guessing when >> > we break into this fiber they will just extend the dark fiber into our >> > handhole and we will be responsible to figure out what we do once we cut >> > into that fiber. >> > >> > I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do this passively so we >> > don't have to depend on having our loop run though a customers location. I >> > was thinking of CWDM. I can setup a CWDM/DWDM at our site and send >> > multiple wave lengths down the fiber. Is there a way for me to break out >> > just one wavelength at a hand hole passively? >> > >> > Let's say I have a North/South run of 2 strands going though a hand hole >> > and I what to break out 1270nm for a customer. Is there away for me in the >> > hand hole, passively, to peel off just 1270nm. Put something like a 1x2 >> > splitter in on N1, N2, S1, S2 and send those 4 fibers into the customer >> > site. Then install a couple of 1270nm optics in a switch to preserve the >> > loop for that one customer. >> > >> > Do the optics do all the magic or are there some type of filters in the >> > DWDM/CWDM modules? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com >> > >> > Myakka Communications >> > www.Myakka.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Pot
Is Ken a Ken? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 11:21:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot My google-foo says it can be: Kevin Ken Gary Terry but I like Darren too. bp On 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: “I have a card” = entitled Karen (I forget the name for a male Karen, is it Darren?) From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:29 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot I have always had employees that were in rehab. But never had anyone using at work before this guy. He pointed to the fact he has a pot card for anxiety. I have a card in my pocket that says I am old enough to buy whisky too, but I doubt any employer would be OK with me sucking a flask while working. I know certain prescription conventional drugs can make you not safe to operate equipment. But this guy had to operate equipment as part of his job. I would make an accommodation for someone that had pain meds temporarily that left them a bit impaired but not as an every day thing. This guy was MAX drama too. One thing I tell everyone when I hire them, the only thing I really care about is no drama. Do not bring your drama to work. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot lite duty, no operating machinery or equipment On Wed, May 1, 2024, 9:18 AM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: I think the ADA does want you to accommodate rehab appointments in someone’s work schedule. …..which I would do anyway. If they’re working on getting straight I don’t want to stand in their way. I don’t know if anyone goes to rehab for pot though. Probably not. -Adam From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2024 5:11 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot Utah code 26-61a-111(4).. "Nothing in this section requires a private employer to accommodate the use of medical cannabis or affects the ability of a private employer to have policies restricting the use of medical cannabis by applicants or employees." There are also federal court cases where the court has determined that marijuana use is not subject to the ADA. On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 10:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: If an employee has a prescription for pot for anxiety do we have to allow them to partake at work. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Won One
Sometimes it's not even that. I literally did see a drop that was just laid into a crack in the dirt. No effort was done to cover it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 4:50:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One I want to do drops for metronet. just kick dirt on the fiber. On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 1:29 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: MetroNet does the same thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 1:09:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One >From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no other >choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a different >crew to do every micro-step of an installation. bp On 4/29/2024 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader service. He lasted a couple months. He said their customer service is non existent. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Won One
MetroNet does the same thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 1:09:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One >From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no other >choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a different >crew to do every micro-step of an installation. bp On 4/29/2024 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader service. He lasted a couple months. He said their customer service is non existent. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel
I've been an AGM guy, but the last quote we did, it was about $777 for just the AGMs and $900 for LiFePO4 with everything in a neat and tidy rack-mount box. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 2:01:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel I tend toward a minimum of AC/DC power supplies, and fuse blocks or DC breakers for the loads. But the other network engineer I work with prefers a dedicated PSU for each load. So you may not get a uninamous recommendation. Note I tend toward DC sites and other guy sees that as unnecessary expense and hardware. So if you are doing AC sites, maybe don't listen to me. And I'm still using AGM batteries while all the cool kids are using LiFePO4 with BCMs, so definitely don't listen to me. Original Message From: "Steve Jones" Sent: 4/26/2024 1:49:48 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel I have a bunch of various meanwell 48 vDC power supplies mostly 120 and 350 watt models with most loads being 45wattish and some 108wattish. One site im re-cabling has 1100w in PSUs taking a ton of space providing for a total demand of around 440w. Seems overkill and only accounts for the DC direct powered stuff, not the other 300w or so Whats the consensus on an AC powered site? individual PSUs for ever equipment. Big PSU/rectifier for all? Our battery capacity at this particular site is on the APC at the base providing just AC to the top, we are not bringing the batteries up for reasons and all electronics are up top. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] ASN check
https://radar.qrator.net/as/40121/ipv4/neighbors/providers?prefix-history=30036 https://stat.ripe.net/special/bgplay#bgplay_fetch.resource=142.202.109.0_fetch.ignoreReannouncements=false_fetch.starttime=1712823872_fetch.endtime=1713342272_fetch.rrcs=11,14_fetch.instant=null_fetch.type=bgp It looks like Mediacom dropped at 2024-04-12 05:18:55 UTC. Well, "dropped" it looks like at least some IPs through some peers are reachable via Mediacom. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 2:07:42 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ASN check 40121 can somebody else verify this is only showing one peer, im no looking glass master, but it appears one of our peers stopped announcing on the 12th -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Peering vs transit
Peering (yourself or a trusted third party) is essential to providing quality Internet service. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Zach Underwood" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2024 9:27:32 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Peering vs transit Here is some data for the people that talk about just getting fat transit pipes and skip peering. This is from Google's point of view of our network. Yesterday we moved our google traffic from transit (GTT) to PNI. Goodput up 20%. retransmit rates dropped in half Application RTT dropped in half. We started down this route since about 3 weeks google de-peered us on two different IX RS. For a long time we have asked google for bgp sessions over the IX and was told with 5gbps peak traffic we were too large for IX. After the deeper we started the process to get the dual PNIs. image.png -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT, UACA ) My website advance-networking.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi
We had a couple of cities want a franchise. One backed down after a week or two, while the other took over a year, then backed down. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@go-mtc.com To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 12:27:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi They made me get a franchise here in our county. But they do it to the others as well. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 11:08 AM To: ch...@go-mtc.com Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi *nods* It sure is a lifesaver here in IL. As long as you don't plan on doing linear TV, you don't need a franchise, therefore if you pay into the state telecom tax fund (on voice revenues), you can build in the public ROW and easements and do so at no permit cost. Now the easement or ROW has to allow for telecom. A lot of the rural ones only allow for a road, so then you have to get your own easement anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@go-mtc.com To: "Mike Hammett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 12:05:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi The more important detail is that we are regulated as carriers. That is helpful to point out for ROW and easement occupancy. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 10:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi The FCC's First Report and Order, issued in September 2005, ruled that providers of broadband Internet access and interconnected VoIP services are regulable as “telecommunications carriers” under CALEA. That order was affirmed and further clarified by the Second Report and Order, dated May 2006. On May 5, 2006, a group of higher education and library organizations led by the American Council on Education (ACE) challenged that ruling, arguing that CALEA did not apply to them. On June 9, 2006, the D.C. Circuit Court summarily denied the petition without addressing the constitutionality. [11] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 11:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi I was under the impression that CALEA was for telephone call intercepts? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 4:29 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi CALEA hasn’t been on my radar much, so this is probably an old topic, but it’s one I don’t know much about. If you provide WiFi in a public space how do you handle compliance? We have parks, airports, and other public spaces with managed WiFi. There are also MDU’s with WiFi in a public area like a courtyard, lounge, lobby, etc. My understanding is you have to be able to capture traffic if you’re ordered to do so. Do you also have to be able to identify the individual? If they ever asked me to capture all traffic from the park WiFi….sure no problem. If they gave me a particular IP, port, and time, and they wanted me to start capturing traffic AND identify who it was, then I would only be able to tell them it was someone at the park. At best I could give them a MAC address and hostname. If I have to identify the customer that’s easy: the municipal parks department, but I’m guessing that’s not what they will want to know. Will this stuff get us in trouble? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi
*nods* It sure is a lifesaver here in IL. As long as you don't plan on doing linear TV, you don't need a franchise, therefore if you pay into the state telecom tax fund (on voice revenues), you can build in the public ROW and easements and do so at no permit cost. Now the easement or ROW has to allow for telecom. A lot of the rural ones only allow for a road, so then you have to get your own easement anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@go-mtc.com To: "Mike Hammett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 12:05:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi The more important detail is that we are regulated as carriers. That is helpful to point out for ROW and easement occupancy. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 10:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi The FCC's First Report and Order, issued in September 2005, ruled that providers of broadband Internet access and interconnected VoIP services are regulable as “telecommunications carriers” under CALEA. That order was affirmed and further clarified by the Second Report and Order, dated May 2006. On May 5, 2006, a group of higher education and library organizations led by the American Council on Education (ACE) challenged that ruling, arguing that CALEA did not apply to them. On June 9, 2006, the D.C. Circuit Court summarily denied the petition without addressing the constitutionality. [11] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 11:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi I was under the impression that CALEA was for telephone call intercepts? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 4:29 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi CALEA hasn’t been on my radar much, so this is probably an old topic, but it’s one I don’t know much about. If you provide WiFi in a public space how do you handle compliance? We have parks, airports, and other public spaces with managed WiFi. There are also MDU’s with WiFi in a public area like a courtyard, lounge, lobby, etc. My understanding is you have to be able to capture traffic if you’re ordered to do so. Do you also have to be able to identify the individual? If they ever asked me to capture all traffic from the park WiFi….sure no problem. If they gave me a particular IP, port, and time, and they wanted me to start capturing traffic AND identify who it was, then I would only be able to tell them it was someone at the park. At best I could give them a MAC address and hostname. If I have to identify the customer that’s easy: the municipal parks department, but I’m guessing that’s not what they will want to know. Will this stuff get us in trouble? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi
The FCC's First Report and Order, issued in September 2005, ruled that providers of broadband Internet access and interconnected VoIP services are regulable as “telecommunications carriers” under CALEA. That order was affirmed and further clarified by the Second Report and Order, dated May 2006. On May 5, 2006, a group of higher education and library organizations led by the American Council on Education (ACE) challenged that ruling, arguing that CALEA did not apply to them. On June 9, 2006, the D.C. Circuit Court summarily denied the petition without addressing the constitutionality. [11] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 11:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi I was under the impression that CALEA was for telephone call intercepts? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 4:29 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi CALEA hasn’t been on my radar much, so this is probably an old topic, but it’s one I don’t know much about. If you provide WiFi in a public space how do you handle compliance? We have parks, airports, and other public spaces with managed WiFi. There are also MDU’s with WiFi in a public area like a courtyard, lounge, lobby, etc. My understanding is you have to be able to capture traffic if you’re ordered to do so. Do you also have to be able to identify the individual? If they ever asked me to capture all traffic from the park WiFi….sure no problem. If they gave me a particular IP, port, and time, and they wanted me to start capturing traffic AND identify who it was, then I would only be able to tell them it was someone at the park. At best I could give them a MAC address and hostname. If I have to identify the customer that’s easy: the municipal parks department, but I’m guessing that’s not what they will want to know. Will this stuff get us in trouble? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] PON question
hah, I know. I had to go in and turn some servers back on. The facility average maxed at 120. One of the NTT divisions lost two core routers because their cage crossed 130. I'm looking at a ring of 88 to 350 to 717 S. Wells to 427 S. LaSalle to 90. Well, if I can get the buy-in from upstairs. I can pick up most of my peers in 427 and I can then meet my 911 peer in 717. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 7:05:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question Equinix has a really big hut in Chicago that was overheating. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 6:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question "a hut in Batavia" and that hut was overheating last summer, resulting in a bunch of rolling outages. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" < khoh...@kwom.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 4:39:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question Mike Hammett kind of touched on what I was asking and why. I was told that Metronet near me had a hut in Batavia that also served St. Charles, Geneva, West Chicago, etc. via PON. Also a company that built a middle mile / anchor institution fiber network with a BTOP grant 12+ years ago convinced the county to let them take it private, and they have run aerial fiber in most of Shabbona which is one of the towns Mike mentioned. With my misconception about how FTTH is typically deployed, I expected there to be at least one cabinet or hut in town. But I think they are just using strands from the BTOP project and feeding it passively from a distant town. I would prefer to see more redundancy, especially since both buried and aerial fiber definitely gets damaged around here, but I guess practical results matter more than what-ifs. At least local power outages shouldn’t take it down, and a central NOC or hut should be able to have serious battery and/or generator backup. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 4:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question PON is one port at your end and then goes through splitters that reduce light and add ports to end up at customer ONTs. 1:128 is pretty short range and high customer count - we could never do that in a rural plant (5-15 miles). Maybe 1:64 but that's about the limit. There is NO redundancy in PON. Best you could do is 2x32 or whatever splitters which is where you feed the downstream fiber with two PON ports. An engineer from Metronet told me they did that but no one could ever answer why (technically or operationally). Think like you have an AP on a tower feeding 32 customers. What are the chances you have an AP right below it with the same SSID/PSK/frequency for the customers to connect to if the first AP goes down? Think of Active E like a bunch of dumb switches. You have a 48 port switch that goes to 48 customers using 48 fibers. If the fiber feeding the switch goes down, it can go to a different fiber/uplink port. On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 7:59 PM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote: Since there are FTTH people here and I’m mostly ignorant of such things, maybe someone can clear something up for me. I always assumed a PON based FTTH system had a topology kind of like HFC. I expected fiber down the street with splitters, but fed by some sort of neighborhood node in a cabinet with power and electronics, fed by active EPL style fiber. Which could have redundant paths, rings, etc. so a fiber cut wouldn’t take down a whole town or multiple towns, the backbone traffic would reroute. I’ve been told this is not the case. And that instead, each PON could go back over a strand to a headend several towns and many miles away, all passive. Sorry for the poor description of my question, hopefully you can figure out what I’m asking. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] PON question
Probably South Elgin too. Maybe North Aurora. They have a hut at the same Oswego water tower that I'm at too. I have glass in front of their Sycamore hut. They were the cheapest 100G wave into 350 E. Cermak, but I'm taking a hard look at getting my own dark in so I can light it with whatever I want. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 4:39:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question Mike Hammett kind of touched on what I was asking and why. I was told that Metronet near me had a hut in Batavia that also served St. Charles, Geneva, West Chicago, etc. via PON. Also a company that built a middle mile / anchor institution fiber network with a BTOP grant 12+ years ago convinced the county to let them take it private, and they have run aerial fiber in most of Shabbona which is one of the towns Mike mentioned. With my misconception about how FTTH is typically deployed, I expected there to be at least one cabinet or hut in town. But I think they are just using strands from the BTOP project and feeding it passively from a distant town. I would prefer to see more redundancy, especially since both buried and aerial fiber definitely gets damaged around here, but I guess practical results matter more than what-ifs. At least local power outages shouldn’t take it down, and a central NOC or hut should be able to have serious battery and/or generator backup. From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 4:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question PON is one port at your end and then goes through splitters that reduce light and add ports to end up at customer ONTs. 1:128 is pretty short range and high customer count - we could never do that in a rural plant (5-15 miles). Maybe 1:64 but that's about the limit. There is NO redundancy in PON. Best you could do is 2x32 or whatever splitters which is where you feed the downstream fiber with two PON ports. An engineer from Metronet told me they did that but no one could ever answer why (technically or operationally). Think like you have an AP on a tower feeding 32 customers. What are the chances you have an AP right below it with the same SSID/PSK/frequency for the customers to connect to if the first AP goes down? Think of Active E like a bunch of dumb switches. You have a 48 port switch that goes to 48 customers using 48 fibers. If the fiber feeding the switch goes down, it can go to a different fiber/uplink port. On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 7:59 PM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote: Since there are FTTH people here and I’m mostly ignorant of such things, maybe someone can clear something up for me. I always assumed a PON based FTTH system had a topology kind of like HFC. I expected fiber down the street with splitters, but fed by some sort of neighborhood node in a cabinet with power and electronics, fed by active EPL style fiber. Which could have redundant paths, rings, etc. so a fiber cut wouldn’t take down a whole town or multiple towns, the backbone traffic would reroute. I’ve been told this is not the case. And that instead, each PON could go back over a strand to a headend several towns and many miles away, all passive. Sorry for the poor description of my question, hopefully you can figure out what I’m asking. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] PON question
"a hut in Batavia" and that hut was overheating last summer, resulting in a bunch of rolling outages. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 4:39:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question Mike Hammett kind of touched on what I was asking and why. I was told that Metronet near me had a hut in Batavia that also served St. Charles, Geneva, West Chicago, etc. via PON. Also a company that built a middle mile / anchor institution fiber network with a BTOP grant 12+ years ago convinced the county to let them take it private, and they have run aerial fiber in most of Shabbona which is one of the towns Mike mentioned. With my misconception about how FTTH is typically deployed, I expected there to be at least one cabinet or hut in town. But I think they are just using strands from the BTOP project and feeding it passively from a distant town. I would prefer to see more redundancy, especially since both buried and aerial fiber definitely gets damaged around here, but I guess practical results matter more than what-ifs. At least local power outages shouldn’t take it down, and a central NOC or hut should be able to have serious battery and/or generator backup. From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 4:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question PON is one port at your end and then goes through splitters that reduce light and add ports to end up at customer ONTs. 1:128 is pretty short range and high customer count - we could never do that in a rural plant (5-15 miles). Maybe 1:64 but that's about the limit. There is NO redundancy in PON. Best you could do is 2x32 or whatever splitters which is where you feed the downstream fiber with two PON ports. An engineer from Metronet told me they did that but no one could ever answer why (technically or operationally). Think like you have an AP on a tower feeding 32 customers. What are the chances you have an AP right below it with the same SSID/PSK/frequency for the customers to connect to if the first AP goes down? Think of Active E like a bunch of dumb switches. You have a 48 port switch that goes to 48 customers using 48 fibers. If the fiber feeding the switch goes down, it can go to a different fiber/uplink port. On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 7:59 PM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote: Since there are FTTH people here and I’m mostly ignorant of such things, maybe someone can clear something up for me. I always assumed a PON based FTTH system had a topology kind of like HFC. I expected fiber down the street with splitters, but fed by some sort of neighborhood node in a cabinet with power and electronics, fed by active EPL style fiber. Which could have redundant paths, rings, etc. so a fiber cut wouldn’t take down a whole town or multiple towns, the backbone traffic would reroute. I’ve been told this is not the case. And that instead, each PON could go back over a strand to a headend several towns and many miles away, all passive. Sorry for the poor description of my question, hopefully you can figure out what I’m asking. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] PON question
PON can do either topology you mentioned, assuming vendor support. MetroNet uses one hut to feed all of DeKalb, Sycamore, and Cortland. I'm not sure if Genoa has their own hut or if they haul back to Sycamore as well. In my builds, I want one per town to reduce failure domains. I could technically feed PON customers in Shabbona from Hinckley. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 6:57:33 PM Subject: [AFMUG] PON question Since there are FTTH people here and I’m mostly ignorant of such things, maybe someone can clear something up for me. I always assumed a PON based FTTH system had a topology kind of like HFC. I expected fiber down the street with splitters, but fed by some sort of neighborhood node in a cabinet with power and electronics, fed by active EPL style fiber. Which could have redundant paths, rings, etc. so a fiber cut wouldn’t take down a whole town or multiple towns, the backbone traffic would reroute. I’ve been told this is not the case. And that instead, each PON could go back over a strand to a headend several towns and many miles away, all passive. Sorry for the poor description of my question, hopefully you can figure out what I’m asking. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn
To someone that knows how to properly target using their system, sure. Let me know when you find that person. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 9:36:05 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn Is a marketing campaign on LinkedIn worth the effort? Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
What are some low-cost switches that support the 400G OpenZR optics? Can you get 400G OpenZR optics in a passive mux-friendly channel plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Trey Scarborough" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 5:00:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels Ive done a lot of these 100G 80k links and its not likely dispersion causing your problem. Its more likely the opposite. If you have segments of NZ fiber "Non-zero dispersion-shifted fiber" you can have issues. After looking at your OTDR it looks to be a mix of different fiber types thats how you get the negative loss splices. If it is a mix of NZ and smf28 fiber your probably not going to be able to get it to work. The NZ fiber causes issues with the 1200-1300 signals on those optics. I have had spans of 50k that 80k optics would not work on due to this. I would have them run an OTDR at 1310 and see what it shows you are likely to get a very different looking result. If that's the case there aren't too many good options. Your best is if your switch has 400g ports get some OpenZR 400G optics and use them. Surprisingly that aren't incredibly more expensive than the 100G 80ks. I would have the fiber provider give you a 1310 OTDR and also request fiber type information for the span. We build these things all the time so if you need some help feel free to email me and I can see about finding a solution that will work for you. On 1/24/24 6:40 PM, Zach Underwood wrote: Ok we got the report back from the fiber supplier. This is new to me so anyone can offer insight into it? PDF https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KeIuWHFsiKZHxcmpPiY8PX_-PABl55Sz/view?usp=sharing On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 6:00 PM Daniel Pautz via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Dispersion compensation module - https://www.fs.com/products/65783.html From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:53 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels I spent a few minutes searching on the term DCM and came up with “chirped fiber Bragg grating”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_Bragg_grating OK, I’m out of my depth now. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Daniel Pautz via AF Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: Daniel Pautz < d...@webnx.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels Perhaps pick up a used cheap DCM and see if it helps, adjustable preferred if not as close to the fiber distance. Our newest 100G dwdm build (dozen 100G optics) very much needed a DCM on it. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:36 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels Gotta think of the Fourier series of the pulse. Yes group velocities or group delay of the whole enchalada. It is all kinda the same thing. They were doing some kind of soliton fiber development. Haven’t heard much for some time about that. No idea how frequency pure/coherent the tx is. I imagine phase coherency is a big deal. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 4:12 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels Looks like different wavelengths have different group velocities, so compensation is possible (but probably not cheap?). Is this because the transmitter doesn’t generate literally a single wavelength? Or is this a WDM issue? Chuck says the pulses get smeared out in time, that sounds like the first one. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels Yeah, the pulses tend to get smeared out in time if there is too much dispersion. Similar to trying to use too high level of QAM with SNR issues. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 12:26 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels Even if the RX level is good? > rx was within 0.3dBm on all 4 lanes on both sides On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 1:22 PM Daniel Pautz via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Yeah makes me think the two paths have different loss. We have had that on mirrored paths, or even single paths with crappy splices on one of the strands. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 11:12
Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
Isn't 100G tolerant of dispersion, or is not all 100G coherent? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Colin Stanners" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 10:13:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels So both of those SFPs are within the tx power range. 100G may not work on a link that long unless you have dispersion compensation fiber on the path or in a huge loop in a box style at one end. You likely cannot change tx power levels on those SFPs, they will run at the max they can do for that specific unit. On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:46 a.m. Zach Underwood < zunder1...@gmail.com > wrote: TX Power 2~6.5dBm I am struggling to get this 100gb link up. In the field this link is quoted at 31 miles. The rx levels are -22 and -20 on both sides but I can't get it to link. I take the same optics to the lab and add 20dbm of attenuator to get almost the same rx levels as the field and it will link up. I have added error-correction encoding reed-solomon per the user guide for links over 40km. So far I have not found a way to change the TX levels in arista, the options are in the CLI but they dont seem to change the outcome. For me this is the first time dealing with 80km optics or 100gb optics over 10km. switch is Arista DCS-7060SX2-48YC6-R https://resource.fs.com/mall/doc/20230531114903y4ljxw.pdf https://www.fs.com/products/115818.html?attribute=29032=3462585 On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:35 AM Colin Stanners < cstann...@gmail.com > wrote: There should be. What does their datasheey indicate for tx power range? On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:31 a.m. Zach Underwood < zunder1...@gmail.com > wrote: Yep labels identical but there is a difference in default power levels. On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 8:13 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Zach Underwood" < zunder1...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:51:39 PM Subject: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX power levels one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the arista devices hosting the optics is the same. Has anyone seen much difference between optic like this? My sample size is small due to the optices costing $4k each -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT, UACA ) My website advance-networking.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT, UACA ) My website advance-networking.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
Well, and it would depend on which type of 100G. Some is 10x10, some is 25x4, and some is 100x1. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 7:53:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels 100 gig is going to have I believe 4 wavelengths. This command shows you the level on each channel: show interfaces et31/1 transceiver dom I think if one channel isn’t connected you wouldn’t get 100G link, but you’d still have receive power. Bends and such can impact one channel and not another. This is just a WAG. Good luck, sir. From: AF On Behalf Of Zach Underwood Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 8:45 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels TX Power 2~6.5dBm I am struggling to get this 100gb link up. In the field this link is quoted at 31 miles. The rx levels are -22 and -20 on both sides but I can't get it to link. I take the same optics to the lab and add 20dbm of attenuator to get almost the same rx levels as the field and it will link up. I have added error-correction encoding reed-solomon per the user guide for links over 40km. So far I have not found a way to change the TX levels in arista, the options are in the CLI but they dont seem to change the outcome. For me this is the first time dealing with 80km optics or 100gb optics over 10km. switch is Arista DCS-7060SX2-48YC6-R https://resource.fs.com/mall/doc/20230531114903y4ljxw.pdf https://www.fs.com/products/115818.html?attribute=29032=3462585 On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:35 AM Colin Stanners < cstann...@gmail.com > wrote: There should be. What does their datasheey indicate for tx power range? On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 7:31 a.m. Zach Underwood < zunder1...@gmail.com > wrote: Yep labels identical but there is a difference in default power levels. On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 8:13 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. The Brothers WISP Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. From: "Zach Underwood" < zunder1...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:51:39 PM Subject: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX power levels one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the arista devices hosting the optics is the same. Has anyone seen much difference between optic like this? My sample size is small due to the optices costing $4k each -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) My website advance-networking.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA) My website advance-networking.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels
Oh, meaning the variance between the two, otherwise identical models? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Zach Underwood" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 12:51:39 PM Subject: [AFMUG] optical TX power levels I got 2x 100gb 80km optics from FS that run difficult default TX power levels one is 3.81dBm and the other 2.63dBm, the config on the arista devices hosting the optics is the same. Has anyone seen much difference between optic like this? My sample size is small due to the optices costing $4k each -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT, UACA ) My website advance-networking.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Options for Selling Wireless Equipment
There are a couple of ISP sales groups (ISP Auctions and WISP Equipment 2.0). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Colin Stanners" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 7:19:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Options for Selling Wireless Equipment SurplusWirelessGear Facebook "WISP pics" or similar groups I can't think of any others offhand. On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 4:58 p.m. Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions on where to sell new or used wireless equipment? eBay is so unfriendly to sellers anymore I hate to go that route. Jason -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates
https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new blocks? I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases. There must be smaller ones that key off of larger ones. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] prevailing wage
I don't think it matters how many layers are between the person working and the government body, the worker still has to meet those wage thresholds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:09:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] prevailing wage My part er is informal. I have his 1099, he gets 50 percent after expenses, one of those expenses is operator pay. On PW jobs am I allowed to have 1099, or would I have to put him on payroll? I don't have any actual payroll right now. Last year I ended up having my accountant stop submitting because other than my son I didn't have any and this year I still didn't have enout to reach back out. I don't know anything about this stuff On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, 4:14 PM < coordina...@town.warwick.ma.us > wrote: Prevailing wage is the state equivalent of federal Davis Bacon. Typically, your state's Dept of Labor maintains the schedules. You have to get the rates and make sure the workers get paid the rate and then retain the documentation in case of claim or objection. Part of my town administrator job is running our town owned wisp. the only workaround is hiring a sole proprietor or using your own laborforce. David Young Town of Warwick MA warwickbroadband.net On 2023-10-11 17:03, Steve Jones wrote: > I have a solar project that's come up for horizontal drilling. it > requires prevailing wage. > I don't know exactly what this means from my standpoint. > to this point I've just been busy enough to run by myself or with my > informal 1099 partner or with my son. > > I've used day labor periodically but never got to the need where I > hired them. I'm not saying I pay cash, but people are compensated. I > do carry a work comp policy for more wage than I pay out. > > what's it mean for me and what paperwork do I have to have in order to > meet the requirement -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Blast = Blast
People are stupid. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 8:41:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blast = Blast You're serious? Our customers receive at least 2 emails from us every month. An invoice and a receipt. Plus they'll see an electronic payment on their card or bank account. Not sure why someone wouldn't know who their provider is. Same with cellphone, power, gas, other utilities, etc. On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, 3:04 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: >Most people should know who their provider is. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 10:19 AM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: Why would you say "I don't know"? Tell them to call their ISP. You don't know who it is by name but you can at least tell them to look it up. Most people should know who their provider is. I'm also surprised their router doesn't have a sticker on it with the provider logo and contact info. On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, 2:58 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: I've had 3 people calls us now (Blastcomm), with the Calix 'Gigaspire blast' router, because we're blast, and it says blast on the router, so why can't we help them. They're all from South Carolina so far. "I'm sorry, I can't help you, I'm in Chicago" "Then who do I call? My WIFI doesn't work, and it says Blast on the router." "Who do you pay?" "I don't know" -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney?
Well and YouTube TV, Hulu Live, DirecTV Stream, etc. are no different than a cable\satellite company in that they're linear TV first, VOD second. They're all in the same boat in terms of price hikes, blackouts, etc. They're just new, so a bit more shiny. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 1:40:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney? im seeing a trend toward the commercials coming back into the fray. Theres so much free streaming out there now with commercial breaks its cutting the big players throats. Im about to cancel netflix since their repository has turned to shit and they keep boosting prices. I only use prime video becaus eits included. The only market winner right now seems to be youtube tv On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 7:00 AM Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > wrote: Networks, etc., are dead, my opinion. On demand is where it is at, ZERO commercials needed. I don’t watch sports, nor have a “network TV service”. Netflix and YouTube premium is about it. Lots of options, zero commercials, I don’t think I have seen a commercial in at least 5 years. Lol, unless at someone else’s home. The only issue is the decentralization of the streaming industry now, originally it was Netflix and that was about it, Disney is making crappy decisions, raising rates, you add HBO, Paramount, etc, and you are back to a cable bill. Disney keeps removing content, witch sucks for consumers and the people who helped make the movies. Movie houses are also going belly up, less and less of them. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney? Talking heads are making it out to be a big deal. They'll both lose a lot of money. Charter may not survive pay tv may not survive my take? per 1,000 facebook posts here last Saturday as SEC football kicked off, they're all dropping whatever charter they had left and going to youtube tv. meaning it's all being dumped on our networks (ok, no worries). disney isn't going to lose that revenue, now it's just coming in from a different pay-tv provider. so i see charter being the big loser. Those SEC football fans are going to find a way to get the feed. Seems youtube tv is now getting their money - - - if they weren't before. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney?
The consumer always loses. Always. I'm pro-Charter in this instance. The content companies are the real crooks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:49:06 PM Subject: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney? Talking heads are making it out to be a big deal. They'll both lose a lot of money. Charter may not survive pay tv may not survive my take? per 1,000 facebook posts here last Saturday as SEC football kicked off, they're all dropping whatever charter they had left and going to youtube tv. meaning it's all being dumped on our networks (ok, no worries). disney isn't going to lose that revenue, now it's just coming in from a different pay-tv provider. so i see charter being the big loser. Those SEC football fans are going to find a way to get the feed. Seems youtube tv is now getting their money - - - if they weren't before. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP4600
I got what you threw down the first time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 4:46:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP4600 Maybe I need a sarcasm filter. Nobody should do any of this, these are not serious “solutions”, and there’s no “EIRP Problem”. The EIRP limit (and other rules) are there to protect incumbent licensed operators who have invested a small fortune into radio equipment they are relying on to provide critical communication services as well as to protect the new unlicensed users from harming each other. Anybody who does any of the things in those bullet points should be flogged. ….but there’s also nothing new here. People will misconfigure EIRP and install bigger antennas out of ignorance even if they’re an upright citizen. Hell I’m getting the impression from Peter Kranz’s original question that he didn’t even know there was an EIRP limit. So that’s exhibit A. The people who would use hacked or international radios know exactly what they’re doing and if they don’t already know how to get them then they’ll learn it from Reddit, or from shady vendors, or they’ll figure it out by accident when they buy a foreign model off EBay. Or they’re already doing it. My point is 6ghz is not going to be safe for licensed PTP anymore. Maybe I’m being pessimistic about it. From: AF On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2023 5:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP4600 I'm baffled that you would even propose or share that information On Wed, Sep 6, 2023, 1:56 PM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: The industry already has solutions to the EIRP problem. * Buy international units set to follow the rules in Russia or Hong Kong and then you can run any channel you want at whatever power you want. * Alter the firmware on a US unit to enable rules for another country or maybe put it in an engineering test mode with no limitations. * “Misconfigure” the antenna gain so you can turn up the Tx power. * If antenna gain can’t be adjusted in the config, then buy integrated units with small antennas and then run pigtails off the circuit board to a bigger antenna You shouldn’t really do any of this, but all of those “solutions” have been seen in the wild. For awhile you could factory reset AirMax gear and then on first login just pick whatever country you wanted. I knew a guy who did that for all of his PTP links and I got him in trouble with his boss. Or at least his boss pretended he was in trouble, but for all I know maybe they started laughing together as soon as I was out of the room. If I had 6ghz licensed links right now I would be coming up with contingency plans for if/when they get trashed by some jabroni. Like the private pool is about to become a public pool and you know all the neighborhood kids are gonna pee in it. It might be time to look for another pool. Just saying. -Adam From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2023 3:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP4600 36dbm is max for 6ghz, and that is assuming an SM with built in GPS. SMs without GPS will be limited to 30dbm. I haven't used any Mimosa, but I bet they will limit it to the same EIRP if you set them up with the correct antenna gain. On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 1:56 PM Peter Kranz via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: I currently have a few experimental 6Ghz licenses, where we have been trialing the Mimosa A6 equipment. So far the A6 has not been super stable, although the performance when it is stable was exciting at > 800 Mbps for subs. Also has problems with timing for customers past 5 miles or so. Anyway, I’m thinking of switching gears to Cambium’s 4600 platform to have something more stable. Am I correct in that Cambium is limiting the EIRP of the SMs to 36db? So the 25db subscriber dish transmits into the dish at +11? This sounds like the solution is limited to about 4-5 miles as a result.. Am I missing something here? Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program
"With ACP that changed to allowing late fees and you can suspend if they are more than 90 days past due." That was my biggest hangup. Maybe ACP is worth looking into, then. Are you able to decline service to a customer that has a past-due balance? IE: You give them 90 days, suspend\disconnect them, and then they re-apply. What happens then? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "James Howard" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:10:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program We do participate in the ACP program. We signed up for it as EBB and then transitioned when that was converted to ACP. Frankly, it was a pain to get setup and is rather a pain to administer. We did it only as a service to our customers and to avoid being a reason that they would switch to a competitor. The program has nothing to do with FUSF taxes though since it is a reimbursement program. You apply for a reimbursement on behalf of your customers. It started out up to $50 ($75 on tribal lands) per month for internet service but is $30 per customer/address per month now. Originally you were not allowed to suspend customers who were late on payments no matter how far behind they were as long as they were in the EBB program. With ACP that changed to allowing late fees and you can suspend if they are more than 90 days past due. We don’t participate in the device portion of the program. There is an upcoming “Transparency” process that opens on September 8 th . The webinar didn’t make it look like that will be too big of a deal for anyone participating at a low level like we do but that remains to be seen. Honestly though, the only advantage to participating in this is to keep customers (or get them if their current provider doesn’t participate) from leaving because they want their welfare (that’s what it is) check. It is a considerable amount of work each month for ultimately $0 extra income. James From: AF On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 6:04 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Peter Kranz Subject: [AFMUG] ACP - Affordable Connectivity Program Is anyone participating in the ACP? Did participation require you become a form 499 filer and collect FUSF taxes from your end users? -Peter -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Forrest's Time Post
ully distributed pool will provide is probably not a great idea. 3) This all should hopefully sort itself out over the next few years. GPS and GALILEO are flying new birds that have changes designed to improve attack resilience by using cryptography to ensure authentic transmissions (which may rely on ground transmission of cryptographic keys). NTP already supports manual cryptographic keys that work, but NTS is a pain in the rear. Hopefully, NTPv5 will have a better security mechanism. Other, more secure, time sources are on the horizon as the cybersecurity crowd is aware of the issues. And finally, as a sort of a tl;dr; Summary: Each operator needs to decide how critical time is to their network and pick a solution that works for them and fits the organization's budget. Some operators might point everything at pool.ntp.org and not run their own servers. Others might run their own time lab and use that time to provide NTP time and precision time and frequency via various methods. Most will be somewhere in between. But regardless of which you choose, please be aware that GPS isn't 100% secure, and neither is NTP. If attack resilience matters to you, you should think about all of the attack vectors and design something that is robust enough to meet your use case. --- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you
I've had the FreeStyle and now the FreeStyle 3. I love my 3. I will note that for my kind of diabetes, it may be unnecessary, but it is fun to collect data. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 1:54:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you Thanks, she is back to chewing my ass so I think she is OK. She has a continuous glucose monitor now. It appears that she needs a bit more attention to the problem. In the end it seems to be a good thing but was not fun. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 10:20 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you Scary story, but not the first time I've heard about adverse reactions to some medicines. Hope that she's OK now. bp On 8/10/2023 7:01 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Was in Spain a few weeks ago. My wife tried to croak on me. Became incredibly ill one night. One of our daughters finally convinced her she needed an ambulance (she would not agree to that when I was trying to get her to). Super high blood sugar, ketones etc. Learned about the “anion gap” that is a measure of blood acidity. Turns out she had acute diabetic keto acidosis DKA. So we spent our Barcelona vacation in a hospital there. She got better but they would not release her. I finally just sprung her and we got home and went directly to a hospital here. She was stable enough to go home. She set up an appointment with her Dr and was OK for a week. Just chalked it up to a worsening of her type 2 diabetes. At the Dr office she became ill again, took her to the ER. They finally figured out that she is one of the people that Jardiance can kill. I causes DKA in some people (usually DKA is reserved for type 1 diabetes). Super scary. So if someone on Jardiance starts non stop vomiting, super (and I mean super) high heart rate (150) and respiration (100) it could be this. Don’t think they simply ate something bad or are dehydrated. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you
Ah, I've been on it maybe 3 years? I'm on 25 mg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@go-mtc.com To: "Mike Hammett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 6:52:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you For several years. They recently increased the dose and I think that triggered the problem. It is a very rare side effect. For me it lowered my glucose and my blood pressure. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 1:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you How long was she on Jardiance? So far, I've been side effect-free, as far as I know. It didn't seem to do much for me, but given that it also has cardiovascular benefits, they kept me on it. I'm neither type 1, nor type 2, so that could be why. I have an obscure type. Ozempic seems to have been benefiting a little. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 9:01:25 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you Was in Spain a few weeks ago. My wife tried to croak on me. Became incredibly ill one night. One of our daughters finally convinced her she needed an ambulance (she would not agree to that when I was trying to get her to). Super high blood sugar, ketones etc. Learned about the “anion gap” that is a measure of blood acidity. Turns out she had acute diabetic keto acidosis DKA. So we spent our Barcelona vacation in a hospital there. She got better but they would not release her. I finally just sprung her and we got home and went directly to a hospital here. She was stable enough to go home. She set up an appointment with her Dr and was OK for a week. Just chalked it up to a worsening of her type 2 diabetes. At the Dr office she became ill again, took her to the ER. They finally figured out that she is one of the people that Jardiance can kill. I causes DKA in some people (usually DKA is reserved for type 1 diabetes). Super scary. So if someone on Jardiance starts non stop vomiting, super (and I mean super) high heart rate (150) and respiration (100) it could be this. Don’t think they simply ate something bad or are dehydrated. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you
How long was she on Jardiance? So far, I've been side effect-free, as far as I know. It didn't seem to do much for me, but given that it also has cardiovascular benefits, they kept me on it. I'm neither type 1, nor type 2, so that could be why. I have an obscure type. Ozempic seems to have been benefiting a little. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 9:01:25 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Jardiance can kill you Was in Spain a few weeks ago. My wife tried to croak on me. Became incredibly ill one night. One of our daughters finally convinced her she needed an ambulance (she would not agree to that when I was trying to get her to). Super high blood sugar, ketones etc. Learned about the “anion gap” that is a measure of blood acidity. Turns out she had acute diabetic keto acidosis DKA. So we spent our Barcelona vacation in a hospital there. She got better but they would not release her. I finally just sprung her and we got home and went directly to a hospital here. She was stable enough to go home. She set up an appointment with her Dr and was OK for a week. Just chalked it up to a worsening of her type 2 diabetes. At the Dr office she became ill again, took her to the ER. They finally figured out that she is one of the people that Jardiance can kill. I causes DKA in some people (usually DKA is reserved for type 1 diabetes). Super scary. So if someone on Jardiance starts non stop vomiting, super (and I mean super) high heart rate (150) and respiration (100) it could be this. Don’t think they simply ate something bad or are dehydrated. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching?
I'm about 50/50 on if across various platforms it's faster to search or to type\browse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 3:38:12 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Are you reliant on searching? We've got a new employee in his 20's. He never browses for programs off his start menu, but uses the windows search box for everything. Anything that has a search box, he types into that. I didn't even know that the Grandstream UCM's had a search function, but he only uses that to find settings to change. Is this normal behavior now? Is it actually faster? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] wispa
My assumption is that it's a scam or that it's extremely low quality data. I guess to find out, you'd have to purchase it to know if it was real or worth anything. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Trey Scarborough" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 10:36:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wispa What I don't get is who is this the event coordinator company or is someone going out and buying spots and reselling them. How do they proffit off of this spam or is it a scam? I do know that unfortunately the convention industry is just as bad as credit card companies with selling your information. Every vendor up and down the chain Cvent, GES, Freeman, ChirpE, etc all collect and sell your data and/or the organizations as well. You agree to it when you sign up as the organization hosting the event and by the individual attendee. It makes me wish you could generate a virtual identity for attending trade shows. Just like you do with credit cards for suspect online orders. On 7/14/2023 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I wonder if wispa sanctions this spam? From: Alicia Paul Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 8:59 AM To: sa...@go-mtc.com Subject: Go-Mtc Hi, Just wanted to do a quick follow-up on my below email. Please review my below email and let me know your interest. May I send quote/pricing details for decision-making? Looking forward to hearing from you. Alicia From: Alicia Paul Sent: Thursdy, July 13, 2023, 10:53 AM To: sa...@go-mtc.com Subject: Go-Mtc Hi, We are happy to let you know that the pre-registered attendance list for the “WISPAPALOOZA 2023” is now available to buy at the best possible price. Attendees: WISP Industry Professionals | Industry Experts | Decision-Makers in the ISP Industry | Service Providers | Leading Suppliers in the Fixed Wireless Internet Industry and many more… Please let me know your views, so that I can share the counts and pricing details. I look forward to your response. Regards, Alicia Paul | Event Database Coordinator. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] wispa
*nods* I get them for everything that could exist relating to IT or ISPs. Do you want to know a list of Vonage customers? We'll sell you that list! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Colin Stanners" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 12:09:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wispa It is likely unrelated in any way to WISPA, we get such emails for every event that we could possibly be related to, every few months. On Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 10:34 a.m. Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: I wonder if wispa sanctions this spam? From: Alicia Paul Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 8:59 AM To: sa...@go-mtc.com Subject: Go-Mtc Hi, Just wanted to do a quick follow-up on my below email. Please review my below email and let me know your interest. May I send quote/pricing details for decision-making? Looking forward to hearing from you. Alicia From: Alicia Paul Sent: Thursdy, July 13, 2023, 10:53 AM To: sa...@go-mtc.com Subject: Go-Mtc Hi, We are happy to let you know that the pre-registered attendance list for the “WISPAPALOOZA 2023” is now available to buy at the best possible price. Attendees: WISP Industry Professionals | Industry Experts | Decision-Makers in the ISP Industry | Service Providers | Leading Suppliers in the Fixed Wireless Internet Industry and many more… Please let me know your views, so that I can share the counts and pricing details. I look forward to your response. Regards, Alicia Paul | Event Database Coordinator. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Before you do less than full routes everywhere, first see what performance is like on the new routers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 4:57:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question I have the new 2016 in and programmed up. But I'm still dealing with more immediate issues. We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers. The issue seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old routers to recalculate the tables. Should I just take default routes? That way there is a lot less math needed when a line goes down. I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be optimized for shorted path. How will that work for the two IX's we connect to? Are they smart enough to calculate best path even if the traffic comes from outside the IX. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote: We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar in the OSPF interfaces. Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on interfaces and we do not use md5. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Josh, I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Mike, I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what happens. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the traffic to actually change directions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subje
Re: [AFMUG] Sprint
Indeed. Happened back in September or so. Their 10G and 100G waves are priced competitively. https://cogentco.com/files/docs/about_cogent/investor_relations/presentation/tmus-wireline-deck.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 12:33:00 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Sprint I hear this morning that Cogent has purchased the Sprint network. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Yes, if your upstream's routers are overloaded, you'll still be blackholed until they can process the change, no matter how fast you change. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Trey Scarborough" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 4:55:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question You can prevent this by having a backup default route. The other thing is if you are n a physical interface or aggregated interface with a vlan on your upstream's router. If its physical it should stop routing traffic when it sees the interface down. If not it may keep trying to send traffic down that interface. BFD can help with this. It will Also depend on how your provider handles the traffic when the the session with you terminates. If it will forward it on to your other providers or not. If your alternate providers are connected closely to you it shouldn't take to long, but it can take 10-20min for the loss of the peer to propagate across all global routing tables. On 4/19/23 9:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers > on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will > start flowing though the surviving circuit. > > However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while > this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the > process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new > faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold > is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? > > How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? > > Thanks, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Communications > www.Myakka.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the traffic to actually change directions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
A modern x86 CPU and ROS v6 could do a full table in about 30 seconds (or less). On ROS v7, it should be even less. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 10:44:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question We have a Juniper MX10008 which is supposed to crunch a full table in about 30 seconds, but that's a half million dollar router. If you're doing it on a general purpose CPU I think 10-15 minutes doesn't sound weird. Something I've been meaning to try in the lab was having a static default route with distance 255. The hope would be traffic falls back to that when we haven't received a better route yet. Maybe I'd have two or three of those default routes with a qualified-next-hop so they're only active if the upstream connection is up. I'd adjust Juniper's protocol preference level so it'll prefer a BGP route if one exists and otherwise use the static default route. The hope would be while I'm waiting 30 seconds to receive routes that traffic still moves anyway. I haven't actually tried this experiment yet, but I think in principal it should work. There might be a Mikrotik equivalent way. -Adam -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, DB> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author DB> of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Need to DB> Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net Create DB> Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka DB> Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=ww DB> w.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f DB> 437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970 DB> 458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
CCR1xxx are terrible for full table BGP. What you're seeing is what happens. One tiny CPU core is just full for a very long time. What does the CPU load on the Maxxwave look like? Is there a pegged CPU core normally? Is there when you lose (or gain) a peer? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 10:19:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
Agreed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Warren King" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 11:36:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun I vote for Lent. Anyone else? On Mar 25, 2023, at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Darin Steffl" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Why are we going down this road again? Get Outlook for iOS From: AF on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM To: Darin Steffl ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" mai
Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the rug. The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick republican men! Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win state and local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red voters who continue to vote against themselves. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com >, "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Why are we going down this road again? Get Outlook for iOS From: AF < af-boun...@af.
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I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Darin Steffl" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Why are we going down this road again? Get Outlook for iOS From: AF on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM To: Darin Steffl ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the
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"The extreme left is still better than the extreme right." No. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 4:54:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the buil
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Agreed. 10% crazy that hates the other side, 80% normal people, 10% crazy that hates the other side - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 4:12:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude
256x256 MIMO to many customers at once is kind of a big deal. Fiber is just starting to get into more than one spatial stream. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 12:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude See, I look at it the opposite. Physics may limit any new tech, but really we havent seen any wireless advances, just wider bandwidth, higher modulation, more subcarriers. To me, a true advancement is an improvement without major cost. Everyone of those improvements tends to come at an SNR cost at minimum and SNR is something we are already losing. Sure theres improved SNR with moar power, but thats just diminishing the aggregate to improve the minute On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 10:52 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: I am impressed at the advancements with wireless over the years. I would have never expected to be able to deliver PMP 100 Mbps with any quality at all. And we all know that 100 mbps will do almost everything anyone would ever need, still we have fiber customers wanting 1. 2.5 and 10 gig... And to think that we used to be so happy to advertise 10 Mbps on Canopy. That burst mode was the bomb until Netflix arrived. -Original Message- From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:37 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude Almost sounds like you're not serious. Fiber really is the future. How much wireless bandwidth is there to work with? If we kicked out all incumbent microwave users and made it all available for WISPs there'd be what, 50 GHz? More realistically 5-10GHz that you could really use for the last mileassuming they'd allocate all of it for a WISP. Within the reality of the regulatory framework we've got more like 1-2GHz available. Bandwidth of a single mode fiber is ~50 Thz. Even the most optimistic estimate for wireless doesn't compare. 100Gbps ethernet on fiber uses only a tiny fraction of the possible bandwidth and very primitive modulation. It's not because you couldn't do 1024QAM with a laser, it's just that right now we don't need to. Theoretically pushing Shannon-Hartley to the limits you could run 1.2 petabits per second on a single mode fiber. That's a million gigabits. Clearly there are badly implemented networks, but that just means a dumb person did it. If you're not branching out into fiber you'll eventually be left behind. IMO, the only debatable part is how many years that'll take. -Adam -Original Message- From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 8:57 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com >; Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude But... But... fiber is the future. On 3/7/23 4:29 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: > Our fiber competitor is using fiber to connect to a DSL connection. > Those customers who left our wisp for them came back within a few days. > > On 3/6/23 12:55, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> Had our first fiber customer disconnect to go to a new WISP in the area. >> They said the new service was half the price of ours and they got a >> price lock for three years. >> Yeah, OK, but we will have your service on standby any time you want >> to reactivate it. >> The disconnect was Friday. The reconnect was this morning... >> I know that is not music to the ears of WISP only companies, but I >> gotta tell you, you never get service calls with fiber. >> Best Regards, >> Chuck McCown >> >> McCown Technology Corporation >> 8401 N Commerce Dr >> Lake Point, Utah 84074 >> 801-250-9503 Office >> 435-830-4306 Cell >> www.mccowntech.com >> www.microtrench.pro >> www.terabitnetworks.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I know a WISP that picks up MetroNet (large FTTx only) customers all of the time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 2:55:19 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Shadenfreude Had our first fiber customer disconnect to go to a new WISP in the area. They said the new service was half the price of ours and they got a price lock for three years. Yeah, OK, but we will have your service on standby any time you want to reactivate it. The disconnect was Friday. The reconnect was this morning... I know that is not music to the ears of WISP only companies, but I gotta tell you, you never get service calls with fiber. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] mail server oddness
You don't have to care at that point. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Mike Hammett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Frank McCown" Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 11:36:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail server oddness I am afraid firing myself would probably fix the problem. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 10:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown ; Frank McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail server oddness Fire one person a day until it goes away... or doesn't. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" , "Frank McCown" Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 11:15:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail server oddness I presume it is a windows VM thing. My son Frank installed it and he likes windows stuff. I have a large mailbox and IMAP. -Original Message- From: Larry Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown via AF ; Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail server oddness On Tue March 14 2023 10:44, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > So back to my problem. Our mail server hangs when we are at the office. > Requiring reboot several times a day. But when we go home and connect > either through the public internet or via VPN it does not hang... Hmmm, Windows or Linux? Sounds like a client is slamming the server locally. Have seen this with fairly large mailboxes and IMAP trying to sync. -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Fire one person a day until it goes away... or doesn't. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" , "Frank McCown" Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 11:15:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail server oddness I presume it is a windows VM thing. My son Frank installed it and he likes windows stuff. I have a large mailbox and IMAP. -Original Message- From: Larry Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown via AF ; Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail server oddness On Tue March 14 2023 10:44, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > So back to my problem. Our mail server hangs when we are at the office. > Requiring reboot several times a day. But when we go home and connect > either through the public internet or via VPN it does not hang... Hmmm, Windows or Linux? Sounds like a client is slamming the server locally. Have seen this with fairly large mailboxes and IMAP trying to sync. -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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"The cloud is the future" It certainly isn't. It's largely a fad that's already has people removing the wool from their eyes and moving on. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 6:43:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers Jan, Most of the links you shared aren't of Google being hacked, but people being scammed/phished. Tricking a user into sharing their login info means the user was scammed, not that google was hacked. ONE link you shared says less than 24 gmails in Iran were hacked somehow. None of your links share that google has had a massive data breach at any time. That's not to say it can't/won't happen but there's been no big hacks at Google as far as I can remember. I stand by my claim that you're being paranoid. I promise you that mail.com or hosting your own email is far less secure and more easily hacked than Google is. Do you have thousands of engineers working to keep your data secure? That answer is NO. I am not delusional enough to think that hosting my own Linux server for email will be more secure than Google. There's no way I can outsmart hackers, keep updated on hourly or daily updates and patches, etc. Nor do I want to do that when I can outsource to a company that does it much better than I do. I don't host a single server for our WISP in 11 years in business and I won't be starting today. The cloud is the future and keeps me hands off on servers and software. If there's a problem, it's someone else's job to fix it and my only job is to report the issue. What if I'm on vacation and I had one or more servers that failed? Now that's my job to fix things while I'm supposed to be off the clock. I don't need that kind of stress in my life so I refuse to host any servers that are mission critical to my business. The only thing resembling a server would be our Preseem appliance but we have backup OSPF routes around it in case that fails. Our billing system is Azotel and they have hosted it in the cloud for us since we started 11 years ago. Total downtime in 11 years is under 1 hour. Not every cloud service is that reliable. They handle the multiple backups and securing of the servers too. Slack, for example, has probably had 12 hours of downtime or subpar performance in the 5 years we've used it but it still was an issue I didn't have to fix myself. On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 2:31 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: I like dmarc since you get to dictate the strictness and get reports on your overall deliverability On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 7:44 PM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: Jan, I don't recall any hacks or data breaches to Google at all. I've seen plenty of other platforms with breaches like t-mobile but Google is pretty secure. I think you're acting a little paranoid in protecting your phone number. I can pay some online service and get your home address, phone numbers, and social security number if I wanted to. This information that you think is very secure is almost public knowledge for a fee. As others have said, DKIM/SPF are industry standards, not Google, and they're pretty old at this point. DMARC is newer, to me at least, in the last several years so not every platform gives much weight to this but DKIM and SPF is a must nowadays for any email provider. On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 4:03 PM Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > wrote: DKIM/SPF/DFMARC aren't "made-up standards" from Google. On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 4:31 PM Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: I don't see how you come to the conclusion that my paid for mail service is supposed to have recently imposed made-up standards from google that comply only with google as some sort of long-standing standard. It's a recent standard imposed by google. And I'm never going to willingly give google my phone number so that when they get hacked again the hackers will have my email and my phone number. Why don't I just broadcast on some public website my social security number too? Yeah, tiktok or twitter, give them my phone number, ssi, home address, all my emails along with my real name. Because when you give google your phone number, they now have exactly who you are and access to all your private info. How many times in the last couple years has google been hacked? Constantly! I am not going to freely give this shit to them. Well, I'm wrong, you're right. When I bought the phone, google forced me into an email address as part of using the phone. I never use that email and I refuse to login to anything using that email. Other than that I don't know how to tell them to sit on a sharp stick and twirl. On 3/10/23 12:02, Steve Jones wrote: if
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"I can assure you Gmail doesn't block emails that are..." I can assure you that they do. Scale is hard. The Mailops mailing list has a lot of traffic regarding the big mail providers epicly failing at mail constantly. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 11:57:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers I've never heard of mail.com but I can assure you Gmail doesn't block emails that are legitimate and follow proper SPF and DKIM configurations. I receive all emails from people I'm expecting to receive. The only ones that end up in spam seem to "host" their own email and don't follow best practices for outgoing emails. On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 11:33 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: i got your spam emails this morning On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers All mail.com users cannot send you email. How many other's are blocked as well? Oblivion, must be sweet. On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote: Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. Virtually no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over the last 11 years. It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to contact them for support. We also use Google drive and their version of office apps in the cloud. We don't store any files locally at all. All business docs are at Google and they're safe there and they handle the backups. I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own server. It's not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr roughly when looking at net profit so spending even one hour a year trying to manage or fix my own email server would cost me more than what I pay Google. We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for gsuite and I pay to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less than $60 a year to Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great peace mind. This is relating to our internal business use. For customer email, we never offered it and never will. Just recommend a free Gmail account and go live your best life not having to support email. On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just dealt with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed because the Edsel was before my time :-) On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for employees and other business email addresses. It is free that way and we don’t have to worry about anything else. But for some reason the server hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day. Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we stopped using them some time ago. For example, our scanner stopped being able to send emails due to something gmail did. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any administrative stuff. for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time. dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: It is only for our own company email. No customers on it. From: Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers Surgemail is exactly what I used. Seemed to be a good product. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Fr
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Proxmox Mail Gateway and Zimbra. Kick your feet up and move on with life. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 5:05:45 PM Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers We are having trouble with mailcow. Anything better out there. It hangs all the time these days. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I don't understand the desire to break lent. It just drives away the value. I participate in it, but I don't start it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:59:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Chuck, I don't doubt you are doing well. That being said, don't go breaking lent now :) - Jared Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Spin your prose all you want, but I have no end of applicants for this “suppressed” welder trainee pay... I am actually turning applicants away. QED I pay everyone as little as I can. Most companies do. Payroll is an expense. We all attempt to minimize expense items on the income statement. This is not a moral issue, it is a cost accounting issue. If they don’t like what I pay they can go work for someone else. I don’t lose employees over pay. So something is working. Again QED. If I have a key employee, I negotiate pay that will keep them. Again, paying as little as I can. Don’t like it? I hear Cuba and Venezuela are still open for business. (I wish AOC, Bernie and Omar would go there and live under that system for a few decades...) From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:20 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange The counterexamples were in response to the absolutist statement regardling the lack of value of labor. They were not directly related to market of welders. Indirectly, however, they relate via supply and demand. All labor has a market clearing price. If the market price of unskilled labor is higher than the wage of a welding trainee, it will reduce the available labor pool for welding trainees. Welding might very well be a better career move, but not all employees are in a position to defer income. Thus by surpressing the welding trainee pay, the employer is limiting the pool of applicants to those who can afford to take the job, rather than to all those who may have a disposition for the job. - Jared Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange “ This is provably incorrect. Counterexample: slavery and forced labor.” I’m not sure what the relevance is of forced labor in this discussion. Do you mean because a $0 “employee” drives down the market price? Where are the slave welders that would alter Chuck’s pay scale? I’m open to further discussion on this point, but at the moment I don’t see how it’s relevant. “ $15/h may be an awesome deal or it may not, if working at McDonald's pays $18/h.” If McDonald’s pays $18/hr and a welding trainee gets $15/hr, you are still better off long term taking the welding position . If you turn out to be a terrible welder then quit and go to McDonalds, but if you get good at it then your potential earnings go way farther up than the fast food industry. I will take the $15 and figure out how to make it work, and I’ll say thank you very much for this opportunity, sir. If I took the McDonalds position my best hope is to be a shift leader or assistant manager and I’d never make what a welder can make. “Market wages do not really care about what's "fair" or "reasonable".” Correct. 100% From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange This is provably incorrect. Counterexample: slavery and forced labor. $15/h may be an awesome deal or it may not, if working at McDonald's pays $18/h. Market wages do not really care about what's "fair" or "reasonable". - Jared Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:09 PM From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange The value of someone with zero skills and experience is zero. The fact that many employers are willing to hire someone that has zero skills and experience at $15/hr and train them at zero cost to the employee is an awesome deal for a person who wants an opportunity. Unfortunately it seems that a lot of people with zero skills and zero experience think they should get paid at the same rate as someone who has gone to school on their own dime and learned a trade. Or the same as someone who has 20 years experience. Apparently the electrical field has the same problems. Employers willing to take the risk on someone and pay not only to train the people but also to pay a survival wage during training are often rewarded by applicants th
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False. Slavery and forced labor aren't entered into willingly and in good faith by both parties. $15/hour learning a marketable skill sure beats $18/hour McDonalds for many people and it should for most. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:28:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange This is provably incorrect. Counterexample: slavery and forced labor. $15/h may be an awesome deal or it may not, if working at McDonald's pays $18/h. Market wages do not really care about what's "fair" or "reasonable". - Jared Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:09 PM From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange The value of someone with zero skills and experience is zero. The fact that many employers are willing to hire someone that has zero skills and experience at $15/hr and train them at zero cost to the employee is an awesome deal for a person who wants an opportunity. Unfortunately it seems that a lot of people with zero skills and zero experience think they should get paid at the same rate as someone who has gone to school on their own dime and learned a trade. Or the same as someone who has 20 years experience. Apparently the electrical field has the same problems. Employers willing to take the risk on someone and pay not only to train the people but also to pay a survival wage during training are often rewarded by applicants that demand the same wages as fully licensed electricians. On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 8:08 AM < fiber...@mail.com > wrote: I don't quite get the logic of this. Why would you work for less than market wages? How is working for less than market wages an investment in yourself? - Jared On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 Chuck Macenski wrote: One way to say it: "The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of candidates will not even walk through the door because other places even in the field of welding pay higher to start." Another way to say it: "The youth of today will not invest in themselves." On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:48 PM Ryan Ray < ryan...@gmail.com > wrote: A lot of what is happening now can be attributed to housing imho. A house is your domain. The place you get things done. Your mind expands, you have more space to enjoy hobbies or learn something new. Personally, I don’t get that from an apartment when I have to worry about my neighbours and volume levels and having no space to do anything. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with making your own sandwich, or living at your appropriate means, but I don’t consider living with roommates living. It’s a stepping stone to the American dream (owning a house). My parents have told me about their times growing up, living in the single wide. The pipes would freeze every winter and my dad would be down there with the hair dryer in the 70’s to unthaw. That’s all fine and dandy. When they had me in 88, they bought a house, probably 1700sqft, it was nice. I wouldn’t have had the childhood I had by being in a trailer. I don’t really believe in religion of any kind, they all have valuable teachings (and not so valuable) but I think it’s just how you think about the world at large. Things are always changing, and I don’t think it’s a bad mantra to think that the new generation should have it better than generations past. Doesn’t mean you have to stop learning, or applying yourself. In Canada specifically our housing is so out of control that even a new family with one kid still has to rent and/or be in a small apartment unless they wait until they’re 40 and have had decent paying jobs (70k) a year for a while. Or live in the boonies and kill your own food, gather your own wood, and there’s nothing wrong with that either. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 5:25 PM Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: Exactly what problems are young people facing? Almost every single one that wants to can enlist in the military. That will feed them and teach them a skill (and some manners, and how to work) and they will come out with the VA and GI Bill. Pell grants, student loans. If someone wants to better themselves, they can. Kids today have it far easier than ever before. Work from home, online classes that are free, hell you can learn highly specialized technical stuff on Youtube. What is wrong with making yourself a sandwich? If you are broke, don’t f**king spend. You are making my point for me. Oh, the horrors of having to cook your own food, walking to work and living in a single wide. Those are human rights abuses man! (said all the snowflakes and they melted and went down the storm sewer) Where on the stone
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"multi-generational family" In some cultures living in the US, that's desired, regardless of financial capability. It's just something you do. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 4:40:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Things have improved dramatically on the whole over time. My dilapidated house that I mentioned earlier was built in the 1920’s. It had additions put on in the 1950’s, but the original house was 20ft x 20ft with a coal stove in the basement and gravity heat for the 1 st and 2 nd floor. It probably had an outhouse. Probably no electricity. That was suburban factory worker housing a hundred years ago. We can say “a house back then was only $x in today’s money. Houses are so much more expensive now!”, but compare that to what counts as a house now. We’d call that 1920’s house a “cabin”, except a cabin today probably has more ammenities. Go back another 100 years and a typical worker would be living in a tenement with a multi-generational family. 100 years before that a worker’s housing conditions would be a crowded, squalid, hell hole that we wouldn’t let our animals live in today. An average house was cheaper 50 years ago, but it was also smaller, less insulated, smaller capacity on all utilities, fewer appliances, etc. We can work towards a post scarcity society where everyone gets a countryside chateau on their 18 th birthday, but until then we have to live in the world as it is. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:47 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange A lot of what is happening now can be attributed to housing imho. A house is your domain. The place you get things done. Your mind expands, you have more space to enjoy hobbies or learn something new. Personally, I don’t get that from an apartment when I have to worry about my neighbours and volume levels and having no space to do anything. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with making your own sandwich, or living at your appropriate means, but I don’t consider living with roommates living. It’s a stepping stone to the American dream (owning a house). My parents have told me about their times growing up, living in the single wide. The pipes would freeze every winter and my dad would be down there with the hair dryer in the 70’s to unthaw. That’s all fine and dandy. When they had me in 88, they bought a house, probably 1700sqft, it was nice. I wouldn’t have had the childhood I had by being in a trailer. I don’t really believe in religion of any kind, they all have valuable teachings (and not so valuable) but I think it’s just how you think about the world at large. Things are always changing, and I don’t think it’s a bad mantra to think that the new generation should have it better than generations past. Doesn’t mean you have to stop learning, or applying yourself. In Canada specifically our housing is so out of control that even a new family with one kid still has to rent and/or be in a small apartment unless they wait until they’re 40 and have had decent paying jobs (70k) a year for a while. Or live in the boonies and kill your own food, gather your own wood, and there’s nothing wrong with that either. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 5:25 PM Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: Exactly what problems are young people facing? Almost every single one that wants to can enlist in the military. That will feed them and teach them a skill (and some manners, and how to work) and they will come out with the VA and GI Bill. Pell grants, student loans. If someone wants to better themselves, they can. Kids today have it far easier than ever before. Work from home, online classes that are free, hell you can learn highly specialized technical stuff on Youtube. What is wrong with making yourself a sandwich? If you are broke, don’t f**king spend. You are making my point for me. Oh, the horrors of having to cook your own food, walking to work and living in a single wide. Those are human rights abuses man! (said all the snowflakes and they melted and went down the storm sewer) Where on the stone tablets that Moses brought down from the mountain does it say: “Young people should have it easier than you had it”? You eat what you kill. https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/ From: Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:55 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Not defeatist or jealousy or envy. I’m 34, I bought a 2500sqft house on a green belt in 2013 (25 Years old). So
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" If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to make more than $17 an hour. " Someone on the Internet is wrong... ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ryan Ray" To: "Chuck McCown" Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:54:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money, trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing. If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to make more than $17 an hour. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: Not sure I am getting your point. Young people frequently struggle when starting out. The struggle is valuable. You get ahead by getting educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for. You do not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live in an area where it rains. You eat what you kill. In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities. That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money. So what is it you want me to learn here? In 1979 milk was $1/gallon. It is now $4.33. Same price adjusted for inflation ... I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did. Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents. Today, $4.50, same price adjusted for inflation... What do I need to learn here??? From: Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Chuck, I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want to learn and listen. Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18 an hour? Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets you $2500 monthly net. Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi Rent: $1100 Food (No Restaurants): $253 Utilities: $300 Gas?: $400 I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo? I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start. Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and you cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're being serious or not. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little comparison for her: My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about $10.70/hour today. (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on the farm from 1960 until I escaped). My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. That would be about $18 today. My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982. Or about $36K today. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ So how is it people have it so much worse today? From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually parent. Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move out. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.com > wrote: Yeah, that’s a problem for sure. All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and entitlement. Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it. I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400
Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
So then live with a room mate? I lived at home with my parents until I had a new home with my wife. No shame here. I know plenty of people that lived with an assortment of friends until they got married. My wife's cousin lives with her fiance and his best friend. The best friend is moving out, but they did so for a number of years. She's the worst paid of the bunch, being a union, highly-skilled nurse. The others are IT consultants. They could all live independently, but that would be foolish, so they didn't. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ryan Ray" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 2:58:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Chuck, I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want to learn and listen. Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18 an hour? Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets you $2500 monthly net. Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi Rent: $1100 Food (No Restaurants): $253 Utilities: $300 Gas?: $400 I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo? I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start. Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and you cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're being serious or not. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little comparison for her: My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about $10.70/hour today. (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on the farm from 1960 until I escaped). My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. That would be about $18 today. My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982. Or about $36K today. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ So how is it people have it so much worse today? From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually parent. Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move out. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.com > wrote: Yeah, that’s a problem for sure. All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and entitlement. Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it. I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating the same PB and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend. I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my car. I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could find and working my way up. And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am entitled to more because I exist.” Lol My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the time, or have conditions. I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. They still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled in language and practice than my older kids. Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors. I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out of thin air without a care. There is no accountability or explanation. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > Subject: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid to learn MIG mild steel welding. PT/FT flexible hours. We hire 17 year olds.
Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers
I can integrate BitWarden with my AD, has groups, a variety of clients, etc.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 1:10:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers Bitwarden. On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 1:33 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: It is a bit disheartening, but are there comparable solutions? I haven't heard of any. Also, change your master password and the concerns over leaks goes away. We're actually looking to federate it with our Active Directory, so that it's even easier to manage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Daniel Pautz via AF" < af@af.afmug.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: "Daniel Pautz" < d...@webnx.com > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 11:02:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers Any worries about their endless hackings? Seems like they are not giving full disclosure anymore and a few of the last hacks were pretty bad sounding. We have been using lastpass forever now, but its getting a big sad that a company that should be securing your PW’s keeps getting nasty hacks. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2023 8:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers We use LastPass Enterprise. It integrates with our Active Directory for provisioning of users and group assignment. I have different groups and folders for different roles in the company. Each user can be in multiple groups. It's mostly headache-free (nothing in IT is totally headache-free). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > To: "Animal Farm" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 4:38:52 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Business password managers I'm bringing on some more employees, so some sort of password manager would be nice to have, other than my personal one, and all the passwords I keep up in the old noggin. This might be like opening up a apple/PC debate, but just curious what others are using. I've looked at Dashlane, 1password, and bitwarden. And there's always Keepass, but I think that requires access to the central password file at all times, might be hard to share between users. It would be nice to be able to only share certain passwords with certain users. Like Tech 1 can have Radios and Mikrotiks, but not VMWare. Tech2 has Mikrotik and Vmware, but not radios. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers
It is a bit disheartening, but are there comparable solutions? I haven't heard of any. Also, change your master password and the concerns over leaks goes away. We're actually looking to federate it with our Active Directory, so that it's even easier to manage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Daniel Pautz via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Daniel Pautz" Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 11:02:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers Any worries about their endless hackings? Seems like they are not giving full disclosure anymore and a few of the last hacks were pretty bad sounding. We have been using lastpass forever now, but its getting a big sad that a company that should be securing your PW’s keeps getting nasty hacks. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2023 8:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers We use LastPass Enterprise. It integrates with our Active Directory for provisioning of users and group assignment. I have different groups and folders for different roles in the company. Each user can be in multiple groups. It's mostly headache-free (nothing in IT is totally headache-free). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > To: "Animal Farm" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 4:38:52 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Business password managers I'm bringing on some more employees, so some sort of password manager would be nice to have, other than my personal one, and all the passwords I keep up in the old noggin. This might be like opening up a apple/PC debate, but just curious what others are using. I've looked at Dashlane, 1password, and bitwarden. And there's always Keepass, but I think that requires access to the central password file at all times, might be hard to share between users. It would be nice to be able to only share certain passwords with certain users. Like Tech 1 can have Radios and Mikrotiks, but not VMWare. Tech2 has Mikrotik and Vmware, but not radios. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers
*shudder* That poor thing... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "Animal Farm" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 6:18:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers I like how my tablet knows my face. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 3:38 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Business password managers I'm bringing on some more employees, so some sort of password manager would be nice to have, other than my personal one, and all the passwords I keep up in the old noggin. This might be like opening up a apple/PC debate, but just curious what others are using. I've looked at Dashlane, 1password, and bitwarden. And there's always Keepass, but I think that requires access to the central password file at all times, might be hard to share between users. It would be nice to be able to only share certain passwords with certain users. Like Tech 1 can have Radios and Mikrotiks, but not VMWare. Tech2 has Mikrotik and Vmware, but not radios. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers
We use LastPass Enterprise. It integrates with our Active Directory for provisioning of users and group assignment. I have different groups and folders for different roles in the company. Each user can be in multiple groups. It's mostly headache-free (nothing in IT is totally headache-free). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 4:38:52 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Business password managers I'm bringing on some more employees, so some sort of password manager would be nice to have, other than my personal one, and all the passwords I keep up in the old noggin. This might be like opening up a apple/PC debate, but just curious what others are using. I've looked at Dashlane, 1password, and bitwarden. And there's always Keepass, but I think that requires access to the central password file at all times, might be hard to share between users. It would be nice to be able to only share certain passwords with certain users. Like Tech 1 can have Radios and Mikrotiks, but not VMWare. Tech2 has Mikrotik and Vmware, but not radios. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera Reccomendations.
Hanwha - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 5:54:54 PM Subject: [AFMUG] IP Camera Reccomendations. Looking for some additional standards-based IP cameras to add to my system. H.264, H.265, etc. Various types. Dome, maybe 360 fisheye, and I think I need two more which are either a bit more directional or that I can swap the lens on since what I'm watching is a bit far from where I can mount the cameras. Don't want something tied to a specific PVR which I think includes the UBNT cameras. I would also prefer to avoid brands which are on the FCC banned list ( https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist ) or are known to have serious security issues which eliminates the HikVision cameras many of us used to use. The ones I have already are on a separate subnet which is firewalled from the internet (no access except to my surveillance server), but I don't really want to add more if I can avoid it for a reasonable price. What is everyone using? -- - Forrest -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless for violation of EBB program rules
Well, how small is small? If you only need to do transport and electronics, that gets a lot easier. If you only need to do transport, that gets even easier. Also, you'll always need some amount of scale to be relevant. There is at least one company building open-access fiber in urban markets where you just meet them at a POP with your transport or small amount of electronics. They do all of the last-mile electronics as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 8:29:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless for violation of EBB program rules Well, if you slice up a pie everybody gets pie, but if you slice up a football then nobody can play. If you’re looking at a rural community with a few hundred to a couple thousand households, and you make service open access then there may be not enough customers for any one provider to build a business around. It may be more like slicing the football than the pie. You’ll end up with a big company monopoly anyway because the bigger company can afford to operate at a loss and wait for the one-man bands to go out of business. I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, I’m just saying I don’t think it’s a one size fits all solution. From: AF On Behalf Of lists gogebicrange.net Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:21 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless for violation of EBB program rules Forest, I agree with your idea. The main problem is that we have lobbyists in this country and there is way to much money to be made building subsidized proprietary fiber. Wow I am sinical in my middle age! Brandon From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 7:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless for violation of EBB program rules Not exactly the same type of subsidy program, but I'm starting to belive that the government needs to migrate almost all of the build out subsidies to put equal access fiber in the ground. That is, the subsidy is only for the fiber build. Single strand or two from each house to a concentrator box and then a excessive number of backhaul/middle mile strands. Then any isp can use the resources that are built. The price to use the resources must be effectively zero and rules must be in place to limit the percentage of middle mile strands that a single provider can use. You get paid if you build to spec. Once it's been independently verified that you built it then you get paid. Not before. Eliminates fraud and Eliminates the government subsidizing one provider which often eliminates the possibility of competition. Makes it easy for a provider to enter an area (drop a OLT in a cabinet). There are several countries (some rural) that adopted this pattern with good results. Obviously the details would matter here, but I'm tired of programs that have so many rules that only the big providers can really apply. Or if you do win as a small provider the cost to operate inside the grant guidelines often make it not worth it. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:12 PM Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: ditto that one On 1/22/23 13:54, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: interesting reading. glad we didn't participate in the connected device program - Original Message - From: Steve Jones To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless for violation of EBB program rules Weird stuff to redact. Seems this should all be public info since it was the publics money. Monetary recompense is nice and all, but until we start executing owners in the town square, violently, every program will be scam full. Maybe we dont execute everybody, but we cut off their hands that were in the cookie jar and use images of their nubs to remind would be thieves that their ability to rub one out will be greatly diminished. Could even offset some of the pilfered funds through auctions of their fingers and various hand bones. On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 2:52 PM Tim Hardy < thardy...@gmail.com > wrote: docs.fcc.gov So many redactions, it’s like reading the Mueller report. Sent from my iPad -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.af
Re: [AFMUG] Google Earth Placemark: Kolob Central Office.kmz
If nowhere was on a map, this would be it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 6:10:03 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Google Earth Placemark: Kolob Central Office.kmz -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Power excitement
Where are you guys at that also has US Cellular in a developed area? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 6:44:44 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Power excitement Always exciting when a camera is pointing in the right direction. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out - SOLVED
Search Unimus for the IP and see what all configs it shows up in. I've done that before and found conflicts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2022 12:28:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out - SOLVED I think I finally tracked this one down. An IP Address out of the /30 that was the OSPF Network was defined on another Router on an interface in the DOWN state. So the subnet/IP did not show up in the routing table, or the OSPF Routing table, or even that local routers routing table, but it must have caused some conflict in the OSPF Process. Disabling the address on the remote router fixed the route flapping. It was just causing Routes to change, the OSPF Neighbor never flapped. Found it purely by accident, not sure how I'd have tracked it down otherwise since there was no route to the subnet and looked like it did not exist since the interface it was assigned to was down. On 10/12/2022 9:04 AM, castarritt wrote: I made an IP conflict recently after goofing my documentation on a /28 and overlapping part of it with a /30 on the same router. It caused the same sort of problem you were having. On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 8:47 AM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: I changed the /30 that the OSPF network was using over the F425 and that seems to have fixed it. The original /30 does not exist anywhere else on the network that I can find, either as a route, defined IP, or a Router ID. I didn't think of changing that since it seemed to be a weather event that triggered it in the first place, and it had been working fine for months. On 10/12/2022 7:11 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > I would have to take a look, but sounds like duplicate routerID or BFD. OSPF > is pretty straight forward on this. > > > > Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP > Certified > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net > Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Nate Burke > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 5:18 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out > > I changed the RB4011 to a RB2009, and tried downgrading the RB4011 to > ROS6.49.6 from ROS7.5 and it's doing the exact same thing. I've tried setting > up an EoIP Tunnel across the F425, and changed the Router ID in OSPF. Still > doing the exact same thing. As soon as I enable the F425 link, the Entire > route table will flap between the Powerbridge and the > F425 even though the powerbridge is a cost of 20 higher than the F425. > If I disable the F425, everything is stable over the Powerbridge. Not sure > what else to try. > > On 10/6/2022 4:22 PM, Robert Haas wrote: >> Make sure you haven't duplicated your router id. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Nate Burke >> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 1:58 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > >> Subject: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out >> >> I have a site with a RB4011 connected via an old M5 Powerbridge, and an EPMP >> PTP425. The 4011 is running ROSv7, everything else is on ROSv6. Connecting >> to a CCR1036 and CCR1009 on the other ends of the radios. >> >> Everything was working perfectly for several months until a storm came >> through, and now the F425 OSPF Session will not stay stable. The OSPF >> Weights are set to prefer the F425 link. The OSPF neighbor never goes >> down, Adjacency/state never change, but the RB4011 will update it's >> entire routing table about every 5 seconds and flap back and forth >> between the Powerbridge and the F425. The remote routers never update >> the route to the 4011, it is stable over the F425. If I disable the >> F425 neighbor, everything is stable over the powerbridge. If I disable the >> Powerbridge neighbor, the router will lose connectivity for a second every >> 10 or 15 seconds, like it loses it's routing table. >> >> There is no packet loss across the F425 link, and it will Tik to Tik bw test >> at 100MB sync no problem and no packet loss. I've even tried changing ports >> on the 4
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
We had an RD-4000. About a year ago (or so) we got an RD-7100 or 7200. Our locator used to work for USIC. RD is kind of the standard. The local distributor is out of the Ottawa\LaSalle area and more than willing to make site visits, for both pre and post sale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 8:57:59 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
If you don't want your house to burn down in a boring accident, you'll buy one, try it out, then tell Steve. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 3:37:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims I would sure like to know how well those work. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 2:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims I'm planning on getting an acoustic water line locating system, not today, cause I'm still a startup whose poor, but hopefully sometime in 2023. On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 1:13 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Well right, so then the utility should locate up to the first building. I don't care if there's a valve under the sidewalk, that doesn't matter much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims the chicago utility code is deferred to on that, it muddies it by saying that homeowners arent directly responsible to be in the database solely by owning a property that contains underground utilities. it doesnt clarify though the responsibility and liability. Its good the because otherwise theyd be assessed a 100 dollar fine per day per utility thats not in the JULIE database like a utility owner. On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:56 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Around here, water and sewer waive any liability for anything other than their mains. Somehow the residence is supposed to know how to locate their service lines, be notified by 811, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 10:47:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims If it wasn't marked, I would push it to the water utility. If the customer paid it already I'd question why they fixed it themselves instead of the water company. If it was marked and you hit it, you fucked up. Like TJ said - pay now or pay later. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 7:27 PM Steve Jones < st...@togservice.com > wrote: This is a situation where a resident had toget the repair done and already paid the bill. I'd have negotiated with the plumber, maybe had luck, maybe not. I could argue about the lack of paint, but then the consumer gets screwed. Its 2800 and a water bill. Dont know how bad that will be but it filled a ditch apparently. Could have been worse because the resident could have had them come on Thanksgiving instead of friday. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 3:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Generally I have video proof that they were not marked. -Original Message- From: Chris Fabien Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 2:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims We have Hartford but do not have any smallish claims like that to know what their response would be. I would be more concerned about making any claim as a brand new company / policyholder. What's the $ of the damage in question. My general policy is for a damage that we were really at fault, under maybe $3000ish I would just pay it. Same for a damaged piece of equipment etc. Anything over $5k I would probably make a claim. When we have had an at-fault claim, I have had success in negotiating with the utility. Local power/gas co will knock off 25% for prompt payment and asking nicely. Some utilities really inflate the repair costs and others are very reasonable. If it's an inflated bill I would have a discussion about that. We do get damage bills all the time for telco cables that were mismarked and we hit and were not at fault, those I tell them once we were not at fault and here is why and then ignore them. Eventually they give up and stop bothering. On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Any of you fine gents use the Hartford for general liability? > > Is there some method to talk to an agent with these guys without filing a > claim? Calling just circles me to claims agents, and they wont tell me > anything. > Im just trying to find out what the impact of a small claim is with these > guys and whether its best to just pay out of pocket if the liability
Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
We don't really have that here, at least not much and definitely not in town. At least you can relatively easily locate the electrical service yourself if it looks like it might be there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 3:35:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims Same as power. Past the meter is not marked. Sometimes the meter is on a ped a long way from the house. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 12:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims past the valve is not water company. It wasnt marked. The underground utilities act is vague. Im not concerned about liability, its our liability cause we did it. We bumped a copper service line a few inches from a joint, it broke the solder and the joint failed a couple months later when ground heave started. That was a decision made at the beginning to not be one of those companies who damage peoples stuff and dont make it right. The only reason I drove 100 miles to inspect was to assess where we went wrong for future corrections, and to face time the resident who was out 2800 bucks and a water bill 3 weeks before christmas. I ended up filing the claim and will talk to the adjuster, if its gonna cost more in the long run or its gonna tie up the residents dough too long ill just pay it, Luckily the guy was not hosting thanksgiving so he opted to wait til friday when it was just overtime rate and not holiday rate otherwise it could have been a whole lot worse. I just wish it had failed when it happened when it would have been a straight time repair. We did blast an unmarked water main in this same neighborhood, that wasnt our liability, city fixed that, the crew was cool, best trash talkers i ever met. On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:48 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: If it wasn't marked, I would push it to the water utility. If the customer paid it already I'd question why they fixed it themselves instead of the water company. If it was marked and you hit it, you fucked up. Like TJ said - pay now or pay later. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 7:27 PM Steve Jones < st...@togservice.com > wrote: This is a situation where a resident had toget the repair done and already paid the bill. I'd have negotiated with the plumber, maybe had luck, maybe not. I could argue about the lack of paint, but then the consumer gets screwed. Its 2800 and a water bill. Dont know how bad that will be but it filled a ditch apparently. Could have been worse because the resident could have had them come on Thanksgiving instead of friday. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 3:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Generally I have video proof that they were not marked. -Original Message- From: Chris Fabien Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 2:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims We have Hartford but do not have any smallish claims like that to know what their response would be. I would be more concerned about making any claim as a brand new company / policyholder. What's the $$ of the damage in question. My general policy is for a damage that we were really at fault, under maybe $3000ish I would just pay it. Same for a damaged piece of equipment etc. Anything over $5k I would probably make a claim. When we have had an at-fault claim, I have had success in negotiating with the utility. Local power/gas co will knock off 25% for prompt payment and asking nicely. Some utilities really inflate the repair costs and others are very reasonable. If it's an inflated bill I would have a discussion about that. We do get damage bills all the time for telco cables that were mismarked and we hit and were not at fault, those I tell them once we were not at fault and here is why and then ignore them. Eventually they give up and stop bothering. On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Any of you fine gents use the Hartford for general liability? > > Is there some method to talk to an agent with these guys without filing a > claim? Calling just circles me to claims agents, and they wont tell me > anything. > Im just trying to find out what the impact of a small claim is with these > guys and whether its best to just pay out of pocket if the liability does > fall on me. > I dont want to save a couple grand out of pocket to have my rates > skyrocket or coverage cancelled since its a new account, but then again, I > pay for more coverage than I need for what I do so its kind of a waste to > not use it. > > If a
Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
Well right. They won't, but they should. Need a legislative change. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 3:37:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims Good luck with that... From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 12:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims Well right, so then the utility should locate up to the first building. I don't care if there's a valve under the sidewalk, that doesn't matter much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims the chicago utility code is deferred to on that, it muddies it by saying that homeowners arent directly responsible to be in the database solely by owning a property that contains underground utilities. it doesnt clarify though the responsibility and liability. Its good the because otherwise theyd be assessed a 100 dollar fine per day per utility thats not in the JULIE database like a utility owner. On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:56 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Around here, water and sewer waive any liability for anything other than their mains. Somehow the residence is supposed to know how to locate their service lines, be notified by 811, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 10:47:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims If it wasn't marked, I would push it to the water utility. If the customer paid it already I'd question why they fixed it themselves instead of the water company. If it was marked and you hit it, you fucked up. Like TJ said - pay now or pay later. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 7:27 PM Steve Jones < st...@togservice.com > wrote: This is a situation where a resident had toget the repair done and already paid the bill. I'd have negotiated with the plumber, maybe had luck, maybe not. I could argue about the lack of paint, but then the consumer gets screwed. Its 2800 and a water bill. Dont know how bad that will be but it filled a ditch apparently. Could have been worse because the resident could have had them come on Thanksgiving instead of friday. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 3:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Generally I have video proof that they were not marked. -Original Message- From: Chris Fabien Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 2:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims We have Hartford but do not have any smallish claims like that to know what their response would be. I would be more concerned about making any claim as a brand new company / policyholder. What's the $ of the damage in question. My general policy is for a damage that we were really at fault, under maybe $3000ish I would just pay it. Same for a damaged piece of equipment etc. Anything over $5k I would probably make a claim. When we have had an at-fault claim, I have had success in negotiating with the utility. Local power/gas co will knock off 25% for prompt payment and asking nicely. Some utilities really inflate the repair costs and others are very reasonable. If it's an inflated bill I would have a discussion about that. We do get damage bills all the time for telco cables that were mismarked and we hit and were not at fault, those I tell them once we were not at fault and here is why and then ignore them. Eventually they give up and stop bothering. On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Any of you fine gents use the Hartford for general liability? > > Is there some method to talk to an agent with these guys without filing a > claim? Calling just circles me to claims agents, and they wont tell me > anything. > Im just trying to find out what the impact of a small claim is with these > guys and whether its best to just pay out of pocket if the liability does > fall on me. > I dont want to save a couple grand out of pocket to have my rates > skyrocket or coverage cancelled since its a new account, but then again, I > pay for more coverage than I need for what I do so its kind of a waste to > not use it. > > If any of you guys have filed a claim with t
Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
Well right, so then the utility should locate up to the first building. I don't care if there's a valve under the sidewalk, that doesn't matter much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims the chicago utility code is deferred to on that, it muddies it by saying that homeowners arent directly responsible to be in the database solely by owning a property that contains underground utilities. it doesnt clarify though the responsibility and liability. Its good the because otherwise theyd be assessed a 100 dollar fine per day per utility thats not in the JULIE database like a utility owner. On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:56 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Around here, water and sewer waive any liability for anything other than their mains. Somehow the residence is supposed to know how to locate their service lines, be notified by 811, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 10:47:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims If it wasn't marked, I would push it to the water utility. If the customer paid it already I'd question why they fixed it themselves instead of the water company. If it was marked and you hit it, you fucked up. Like TJ said - pay now or pay later. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 7:27 PM Steve Jones < st...@togservice.com > wrote: This is a situation where a resident had toget the repair done and already paid the bill. I'd have negotiated with the plumber, maybe had luck, maybe not. I could argue about the lack of paint, but then the consumer gets screwed. Its 2800 and a water bill. Dont know how bad that will be but it filled a ditch apparently. Could have been worse because the resident could have had them come on Thanksgiving instead of friday. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 3:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Generally I have video proof that they were not marked. -Original Message- From: Chris Fabien Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 2:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims We have Hartford but do not have any smallish claims like that to know what their response would be. I would be more concerned about making any claim as a brand new company / policyholder. What's the $ of the damage in question. My general policy is for a damage that we were really at fault, under maybe $3000ish I would just pay it. Same for a damaged piece of equipment etc. Anything over $5k I would probably make a claim. When we have had an at-fault claim, I have had success in negotiating with the utility. Local power/gas co will knock off 25% for prompt payment and asking nicely. Some utilities really inflate the repair costs and others are very reasonable. If it's an inflated bill I would have a discussion about that. We do get damage bills all the time for telco cables that were mismarked and we hit and were not at fault, those I tell them once we were not at fault and here is why and then ignore them. Eventually they give up and stop bothering. On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Any of you fine gents use the Hartford for general liability? > > Is there some method to talk to an agent with these guys without filing a > claim? Calling just circles me to claims agents, and they wont tell me > anything. > Im just trying to find out what the impact of a small claim is with these > guys and whether its best to just pay out of pocket if the liability does > fall on me. > I dont want to save a couple grand out of pocket to have my rates > skyrocket or coverage cancelled since its a new account, but then again, I > pay for more coverage than I need for what I do so its kind of a waste to > not use it. > > If any of you guys have filed a claim with them, how smooth is the > process? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/
Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
Around here, water and sewer waive any liability for anything other than their mains. Somehow the residence is supposed to know how to locate their service lines, be notified by 811, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 10:47:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims If it wasn't marked, I would push it to the water utility. If the customer paid it already I'd question why they fixed it themselves instead of the water company. If it was marked and you hit it, you fucked up. Like TJ said - pay now or pay later. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 7:27 PM Steve Jones < st...@togservice.com > wrote: This is a situation where a resident had toget the repair done and already paid the bill. I'd have negotiated with the plumber, maybe had luck, maybe not. I could argue about the lack of paint, but then the consumer gets screwed. Its 2800 and a water bill. Dont know how bad that will be but it filled a ditch apparently. Could have been worse because the resident could have had them come on Thanksgiving instead of friday. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 3:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Generally I have video proof that they were not marked. -Original Message- From: Chris Fabien Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 2:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims We have Hartford but do not have any smallish claims like that to know what their response would be. I would be more concerned about making any claim as a brand new company / policyholder. What's the $$ of the damage in question. My general policy is for a damage that we were really at fault, under maybe $3000ish I would just pay it. Same for a damaged piece of equipment etc. Anything over $5k I would probably make a claim. When we have had an at-fault claim, I have had success in negotiating with the utility. Local power/gas co will knock off 25% for prompt payment and asking nicely. Some utilities really inflate the repair costs and others are very reasonable. If it's an inflated bill I would have a discussion about that. We do get damage bills all the time for telco cables that were mismarked and we hit and were not at fault, those I tell them once we were not at fault and here is why and then ignore them. Eventually they give up and stop bothering. On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Any of you fine gents use the Hartford for general liability? > > Is there some method to talk to an agent with these guys without filing a > claim? Calling just circles me to claims agents, and they wont tell me > anything. > Im just trying to find out what the impact of a small claim is with these > guys and whether its best to just pay out of pocket if the liability does > fall on me. > I dont want to save a couple grand out of pocket to have my rates > skyrocket or coverage cancelled since its a new account, but then again, I > pay for more coverage than I need for what I do so its kind of a waste to > not use it. > > If any of you guys have filed a claim with them, how smooth is the > process? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 30 years ago
You must be, because you tricked your wife to marry you. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tyson Burris" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 11:34:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 30 years ago 30 years ago I was an expert in women. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net VIA WIRELESS On Nov 20, 2022, at 12:12, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I was an expert at fax modulation methods: Cannot bring myself to throw it away. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC
No intelligence in the DC distribution. It's been there almost 20 years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Baird" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 11:29:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC Not really sure why you would need any intelligence. Presumably you have intelligent DC distribution. On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 12:25 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Well right. They aren't hard to find, so given the plethora of options, I look for recommendations to help narrow it down. I looked at ICT. Their 300 watt one didn't have any intelligence (which isn't a deal killer), while the 1500 watt one that has intelligence, but seems more appropriate for a kind of UPS as it has an AC unit and a switch between AC and DC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Baird" < joshba...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 11:00:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC We use ICT inverters, but inverters in general aren't hard to find. On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 11:55 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Recommendations on producing 120vAC out of -48vDC? We are in a Frontier CO and having a hard time finding -48vDC powered devices, so looking to just produce 120 vAC so we can just use standard power supplies for them. Primarily, we need to power a VDSL modem (so like 5 - 10 watts), but having a bit more would be nice for convenience. House power isn't always convenient, so it would be a good place to plug in laptops when in there working. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC
It is, but then I don't have any growth opportunity because it's specific to the VDSL modem. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 11:20:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC Or a DC-DC converter powering the VDSL modem on its power input port which is likely DC? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 9:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC Recommendations on producing 120vAC out of -48vDC? We are in a Frontier CO and having a hard time finding -48vDC powered devices, so looking to just produce 120 vAC so we can just use standard power supplies for them. Primarily, we need to power a VDSL modem (so like 5 - 10 watts), but having a bit more would be nice for convenience. House power isn't always convenient, so it would be a good place to plug in laptops when in there working. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC
Well right. They aren't hard to find, so given the plethora of options, I look for recommendations to help narrow it down. I looked at ICT. Their 300 watt one didn't have any intelligence (which isn't a deal killer), while the 1500 watt one that has intelligence, but seems more appropriate for a kind of UPS as it has an AC unit and a switch between AC and DC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Baird" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 11:00:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC We use ICT inverters, but inverters in general aren't hard to find. On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 11:55 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Recommendations on producing 120vAC out of -48vDC? We are in a Frontier CO and having a hard time finding -48vDC powered devices, so looking to just produce 120 vAC so we can just use standard power supplies for them. Primarily, we need to power a VDSL modem (so like 5 - 10 watts), but having a bit more would be nice for convenience. House power isn't always convenient, so it would be a good place to plug in laptops when in there working. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] -48 vDC to 120 vAC
Recommendations on producing 120vAC out of -48vDC? We are in a Frontier CO and having a hard time finding -48vDC powered devices, so looking to just produce 120 vAC so we can just use standard power supplies for them. Primarily, we need to power a VDSL modem (so like 5 - 10 watts), but having a bit more would be nice for convenience. House power isn't always convenient, so it would be a good place to plug in laptops when in there working. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Chicago Colo\Connectivity
I send an invoice, you send cashiers checks. No sorcery. ;-) But yeah, your first idea was spot on. I can help with that too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 10:18:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Chicago Colo\Connectivity can you break down how this works? like we are in central IL, do we have to find leased lines to a colo center to gan benefit or is there some internet sorcery that gets our traffic there and back On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:16 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: We're looking to bring on some connectivity and colo customers in Chicago. You can locate some servers in a legendary data center (Equinix at 350 E. Cermak) or pick up connectivity. We've got Cogent as well as a connection to an IX that gets you connectivity to Akamai, Amazon, Cloudflare, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Netflix, Oath\Yahoo, Riot Games, Salesforce, etc. There's also connectivity to Indianapolis. We can also manage that connectivity for you if you want the benefits of good connectivity without needing to learn additional skills. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections
Different boxes use different mechanisms to determine availability. One of them pings something like your top 10,000 destinations via each upstream every second, so then it knows what's up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 4:00:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections Wouldn't there have to be something on the other end to determine if traffic can get to you? I was still taking some traffic, just Google, and I'm guessing some other CDN traffic couldn't get to me. Which to Eyeball networks means 'the internet is down' On 11/15/2022 3:44 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You can have it pull the BGP advertisement or set no export or prepend a bunch or other things ranging from suggestion to absolute. In this case, if the optimizer noticed that you weren't available from a given connection, it could have (depending on the optimizer), set no export, then if the reachability issues persist after X minutes, drop the session. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 3:21:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections Is there any benefit for an eyeball network to use route optimization given you can really only control egress via bgp? On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 12:26 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: I rarely have issues with the Windstream circuit, but it is totally dealing with a Telco. Front line can only open the ticket, and go through the whole list of questions that have been in place since troubleshooting a T1 Line, or before. I always like 'Are we authorized to do intrusive testing' This is only the 2nd time this has happened. Last time was 4 or 5 years ago, just a week or 2 after we turned up the circuit, so I wrote that off to a turnup config they messed up somewhere. On 11/15/2022 2:16 PM, Larry Smith wrote: > In the past when we had similar problems with Windstream I found > that often (about 75 percent of the time) I could hard reset the BGP > session locally and Windstream would pickup after the reset and > route correctly. The other 25 percent, like you, I just had to down > the BGP session with them entirely and wait for the routes to clear. > A few of those times I even called our 24/hr support number to ask > if they could clear or reset the session from their side and was > inevitably told "we will look into it" (not)... > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections
You can have it pull the BGP advertisement or set no export or prepend a bunch or other things ranging from suggestion to absolute. In this case, if the optimizer noticed that you weren't available from a given connection, it could have (depending on the optimizer), set no export, then if the reachability issues persist after X minutes, drop the session. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "TJ Trout" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 3:21:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections Is there any benefit for an eyeball network to use route optimization given you can really only control egress via bgp? On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 12:26 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: I rarely have issues with the Windstream circuit, but it is totally dealing with a Telco. Front line can only open the ticket, and go through the whole list of questions that have been in place since troubleshooting a T1 Line, or before. I always like 'Are we authorized to do intrusive testing' This is only the 2nd time this has happened. Last time was 4 or 5 years ago, just a week or 2 after we turned up the circuit, so I wrote that off to a turnup config they messed up somewhere. On 11/15/2022 2:16 PM, Larry Smith wrote: > In the past when we had similar problems with Windstream I found > that often (about 75 percent of the time) I could hard reset the BGP > session locally and Windstream would pickup after the reset and > route correctly. The other 25 percent, like you, I just had to down > the BGP session with them entirely and wait for the routes to clear. > A few of those times I even called our 24/hr support number to ask > if they could clear or reset the session from their side and was > inevitably told "we will look into it" (not)... > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections
Monitor and react. That could be automated or manual. The BGP route optimizers could shut off that peer when they detect issues. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:08:51 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Protecting Upstream Connections Ran into a problem today where one of my upstreams (windstream) was still advertising my IP blocks out to the internet, but wasn't routing all the traffic to me. I was still taking in traffic, but, for example, Google couldn't get to me on IP Blocks advertized via windstream. Took a while to track down what was happening and then manually turn off the Windstream BGP neighbor, which luckily fixed the problem once the subnet advertisements finally timed out and traffic shifted to other providers, which took a good 5-10 minutes. Is there a way to protect against that? My BGP Session to Windstream was still up and running, but something broke farther up in the Windstream network. Is the only method in that scenario to Just monitor and react? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Water and rf
Water and sewer never do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 1:38:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Water and rf It would have been kind of the installer to bury a locate wire alongside the pipe…..or leave a map. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 1:26 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Water and rf I assume no, but i need one of you nerds to verify. If im trying to find plastic water lines, is there a frequency that would travel through water as the conductor? If I use a plug at the spigot with a nail in it for my positive probe wire and the same for a ground elsewhere in the water circuit, it is possible to get a detectable signal on a utility locator? im assuming since submarines have to surface to communicate my question has long since been answered -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Chicago Colo\Connectivity
We're looking to bring on some connectivity and colo customers in Chicago. You can locate some servers in a legendary data center (Equinix at 350 E. Cermak) or pick up connectivity. We've got Cogent as well as a connection to an IX that gets you connectivity to Akamai, Amazon, Cloudflare, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Netflix, Oath\Yahoo, Riot Games, Salesforce, etc. There's also connectivity to Indianapolis. We can also manage that connectivity for you if you want the benefits of good connectivity without needing to learn additional skills. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube
Not all blue check marks are the same. Essentially, the traditional blue check mark target audience gets a new indicator to indicate that they went through additional verification. Engagement algorithms are certainly problems. "Ergo, middle of the road statements (which are probably more common and/or less inflammatory) are more boring, hence generate fewer clicks." I agree, but I can generate a lot of engagement by posting neutral facts on currently controversial situations. The diesel shortage... I pulled the EIA data that Bloomberg used in their graph, but included all of the history that the EIA had (at least where I was looking). As it turns out, the current levels aren't that catastrophic. However, by posting just the link to the spreadsheet and chart and that I followed the same methodology Bloomberg used, I'm simultaneously a right wing and a left wing extremist. I'm a MAGA Biden voter. BTW, that data is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z3_tBVSrplTAAgjWEQ_LVUITI-BMhIgA4CgOiTwAHus/edit?usp=sharing ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 8:59:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube I did not see anything that manages who can pay their $8. $8 a month gets you a blue check, and off you go. What Forrest said is the basis of all of it. The "algorithm" is really only concerned about clicks. More clicks = more amplification (because more ads). Numerous studies have shown that the more outrageous (more whacko) the statement, the more clicks it generates. Ergo, middle of the road statements (which are probably more common and/or less inflammatory) are more boring, hence generate fewer clicks. So what we end up with is a hellscape of extreme ideas drowning out the more mainstream ideas. Driving everyone to the outer edges only makes us more divided. If divided is what you want, here (more of) it comes. bp On 11/7/2022 5:12 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I really don't think that's grounded in fact. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2022 6:53:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube >From where I sit, it looks like it is going to become a fetid hell pit. Anyone who might have tried to manage disinformation has been shown the door. It will get much, much worse before it had any chance of getting better. You can buy legitimacy for $8 a month. bp On 11/6/2022 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I like that it seem they are attempting to control phony accounts. But I really don’t use it so I don’t care about it much. Cofefe. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:10 PM, Robert wrote: He fired everyone on the algorithm teams... On 11/6/22 3:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: One more thing.. if there is one thing musk's twitter acquisition accomplishes, I hope that it is that the algorithm is adjusted such that it is far harder to end up in your own personal echo chamber. On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 2:05 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: So, new computer, finally got icons displaying (My son has it set up so he can take over my computer from everywhere and fix whatever this old dad cannot figure out, love it). Youtube viewed with new chrome on a new computer has quickly figured out that I like to watch Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk gotcha videos and is recommending nothing else other than right wing gotcha stuff. It is amusing, but I am wondering what does the other side look like? Is there a whole alternate youtube universe of leftist gotcha videos that make fun of Ben Shapiro and push all the left hot button issues. lgbtq trans, crt, BLM, defund the police, etc stuff 100% of the time etc. Is youtube just right leaning? Or is there no cogent left leaning content on par with a Ben Shapiro type of thing? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube
I really don't think that's grounded in fact. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2022 6:53:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube >From where I sit, it looks like it is going to become a fetid hell pit. Anyone who might have tried to manage disinformation has been shown the door. It will get much, much worse before it had any chance of getting better. You can buy legitimacy for $8 a month. bp On 11/6/2022 4:26 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I like that it seem they are attempting to control phony accounts. But I really don’t use it so I don’t care about it much. Cofefe. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2022, at 5:10 PM, Robert wrote: He fired everyone on the algorithm teams... On 11/6/22 3:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: One more thing.. if there is one thing musk's twitter acquisition accomplishes, I hope that it is that the algorithm is adjusted such that it is far harder to end up in your own personal echo chamber. On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 2:05 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: So, new computer, finally got icons displaying (My son has it set up so he can take over my computer from everywhere and fix whatever this old dad cannot figure out, love it). Youtube viewed with new chrome on a new computer has quickly figured out that I like to watch Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk gotcha videos and is recommending nothing else other than right wing gotcha stuff. It is amusing, but I am wondering what does the other side look like? Is there a whole alternate youtube universe of leftist gotcha videos that make fun of Ben Shapiro and push all the left hot button issues. lgbtq trans, crt, BLM, defund the police, etc stuff 100% of the time etc. Is youtube just right leaning? Or is there no cogent left leaning content on par with a Ben Shapiro type of thing? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vanilla Extract
My wife makes her own. Puts sticks of vanilla in vodka bottles. Waits several months. Has vanilla extract. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 8:46:37 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Vanilla Extract I'm guessing many people on here dabble in the baking arts. My Bottle of Rodelle Vanilla Extract that I got several years ago has run out. Some of the more recent reviews for Rodelle say that it's watered down now. All sites that I've viewed say that McCormick has changed their formula and it's just no good anymore. Watkins looks to have pretty good reviews, and costs about 30% more than McCormick. Amazon has good selection, but alot of the reviews say they might be counterfeit products. Anyone bought some Vanilla extract recently and can offer a review? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
Also, there are very little actual greenfields happening. People just aren't building new subdivisions anywhere near here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 3:00:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Sure, but even from this distance out, I look another hour or two away and it's not much different. Towns and subdivisions have coverage from a cable or fiber operator already. Not in towns or subdivisions and it isn't worth doing a wireline solution to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 2:48:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Move more than 60 minutes away from one of the largest cities in the country? On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 11:46 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I can't imagine a world where there's a wireline greenfield. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown via AF" < af@af.afmug.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@go-mtc.com > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network I seem to have more green field that I can get to and I have never felt a need to overbuild. I find it odd that CATV companies will install coax in these subdivisions but never return to activate it. We love those. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Some people will sign up even if you’re higher priced, just because they hate the cable company that much. You can offer higher speed at the same price and you’ll get some more. If you offer higher speed, and also lower price, and also put the effort and money into getting the message out then you get the 30%. It’s not 30% across the board either, in some areas we end up higher than that, but 30% seems to be a safe enough number to plan on. So it certainly helps to undercut them. Internet customers have a lot of momentum. If there’s no compelling reason for them to switch right now then they won’t switch right now just because they’re not thinking about it most of the time. Even if they have a reason to switch they may not even know you’re there, and the cable company has so much advertising the customer will always be aware of them. Even when you build in an unserved area and you’re infinitely better than the satellite or long range DSL options you STILL have to put effort into making the sales because a lot of the people out there made their peace with what they have, and they’re not going to seek you out until something triggers them to do so. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Do you have to undercut to get penetration? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. The Brothers WISP Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:44:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network About 30% We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them at $50/month vs their $75/month. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < Af@af.afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario where you are overlaying a cable network? I'm getting to the point where that may be the direction I have to go. Thanks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.c
Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
Sure, but even from this distance out, I look another hour or two away and it's not much different. Towns and subdivisions have coverage from a cable or fiber operator already. Not in towns or subdivisions and it isn't worth doing a wireline solution to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 2:48:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Move more than 60 minutes away from one of the largest cities in the country? On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 11:46 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I can't imagine a world where there's a wireline greenfield. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown via AF" < af@af.afmug.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@go-mtc.com > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network I seem to have more green field that I can get to and I have never felt a need to overbuild. I find it odd that CATV companies will install coax in these subdivisions but never return to activate it. We love those. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Some people will sign up even if you’re higher priced, just because they hate the cable company that much. You can offer higher speed at the same price and you’ll get some more. If you offer higher speed, and also lower price, and also put the effort and money into getting the message out then you get the 30%. It’s not 30% across the board either, in some areas we end up higher than that, but 30% seems to be a safe enough number to plan on. So it certainly helps to undercut them. Internet customers have a lot of momentum. If there’s no compelling reason for them to switch right now then they won’t switch right now just because they’re not thinking about it most of the time. Even if they have a reason to switch they may not even know you’re there, and the cable company has so much advertising the customer will always be aware of them. Even when you build in an unserved area and you’re infinitely better than the satellite or long range DSL options you STILL have to put effort into making the sales because a lot of the people out there made their peace with what they have, and they’re not going to seek you out until something triggers them to do so. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Do you have to undercut to get penetration? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. The Brothers WISP Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:44:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network About 30% We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them at $50/month vs their $75/month. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < Af@af.afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario where you are overlaying a cable network? I'm getting to the point where that may be the direction I have to go. Thanks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
Nice, Frontier's back yard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:46:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network https://www.greenlightnetworks.com/residential-2/ Disclaimer: We’re north of 100,000 HHP and 30,000 subscribers. I don’t own the place and I don’t do the marketing. These are just my observations. From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 11:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network What are you offering speed-wise vs. theirs? On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:00 AM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: About 30% We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them at $50/month vs their $75/month. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < Af@af.afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario where you are overlaying a cable network? I'm getting to the point where that may be the direction I have to go. Thanks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
Well, that's sustainable to build fiber in, anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:45:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network I can't imagine a world where there's a wireline greenfield. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network I seem to have more green field that I can get to and I have never felt a need to overbuild. I find it odd that CATV companies will install coax in these subdivisions but never return to activate it. We love those. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Some people will sign up even if you’re higher priced, just because they hate the cable company that much. You can offer higher speed at the same price and you’ll get some more. If you offer higher speed, and also lower price, and also put the effort and money into getting the message out then you get the 30%. It’s not 30% across the board either, in some areas we end up higher than that, but 30% seems to be a safe enough number to plan on. So it certainly helps to undercut them. Internet customers have a lot of momentum. If there’s no compelling reason for them to switch right now then they won’t switch right now just because they’re not thinking about it most of the time. Even if they have a reason to switch they may not even know you’re there, and the cable company has so much advertising the customer will always be aware of them. Even when you build in an unserved area and you’re infinitely better than the satellite or long range DSL options you STILL have to put effort into making the sales because a lot of the people out there made their peace with what they have, and they’re not going to seek you out until something triggers them to do so. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Do you have to undercut to get penetration? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. The Brothers WISP Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:44:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network About 30% We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them at $50/month vs their $75/month. From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario where you are overlaying a cable network? I'm getting to the point where that may be the direction I have to go. Thanks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
I can't imagine a world where there's a wireline greenfield. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network I seem to have more green field that I can get to and I have never felt a need to overbuild. I find it odd that CATV companies will install coax in these subdivisions but never return to activate it. We love those. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Some people will sign up even if you’re higher priced, just because they hate the cable company that much. You can offer higher speed at the same price and you’ll get some more. If you offer higher speed, and also lower price, and also put the effort and money into getting the message out then you get the 30%. It’s not 30% across the board either, in some areas we end up higher than that, but 30% seems to be a safe enough number to plan on. So it certainly helps to undercut them. Internet customers have a lot of momentum. If there’s no compelling reason for them to switch right now then they won’t switch right now just because they’re not thinking about it most of the time. Even if they have a reason to switch they may not even know you’re there, and the cable company has so much advertising the customer will always be aware of them. Even when you build in an unserved area and you’re infinitely better than the satellite or long range DSL options you STILL have to put effort into making the sales because a lot of the people out there made their peace with what they have, and they’re not going to seek you out until something triggers them to do so. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Do you have to undercut to get penetration? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. The Brothers WISP Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:44:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network About 30% We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them at $50/month vs their $75/month. From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario where you are overlaying a cable network? I'm getting to the point where that may be the direction I have to go. Thanks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network
Do you have to undercut to get penetration? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 8:44:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network About 30% We’re intentionally overbuilding Spectrum/Charter, and undercutting them at $50/month vs their $75/month. From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Overlaying Cable Network Those of you doing fiber, what are you seeing for take-rates in a scenario where you are overlaying a cable network? I'm getting to the point where that may be the direction I have to go. Thanks. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Azure ExpressRoute
*nods* Those services (all major cloud companies have them) are unique to the cloud resource. No sharing among end users. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 9:49:20 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Azure ExpressRoute On 10/7/22 5:44 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: > I’d never heard of Microsoft Azure ExpressRoute until a few days ago. > > I’m getting the impression it’s an IP network between datacenters where > Microsoft cloud services are, and end users can get an ExpressRoute > connection so their MS cloud stuff isn’t crossing the public Internet. > We could get a connection to that network via Lumen, but there’s no > chance we’re doing that for one customer. Is this a thing businesses > are looking for nowadays in your experience? Or, like me, have you > never heard of it? > > The customer asking me is a hospital IT department. I can see why they > would want it, but I can’t imagine most small businesses would give a hoot. > > I have normal peering with MS but if a customer wants expressroute then they are paying for it, not me. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Azure ExpressRoute
If a customer might need it, they already know about it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 7:44:10 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Azure ExpressRoute I’d never heard of Microsoft Azure ExpressRoute until a few days ago. I’m getting the impression it’s an IP network between datacenters where Microsoft cloud services are, and end users can get an ExpressRoute connection so their MS cloud stuff isn’t crossing the public Internet. We could get a connection to that network via Lumen, but there’s no chance we’re doing that for one customer. Is this a thing businesses are looking for nowadays in your experience? Or, like me, have you never heard of it? The customer asking me is a hospital IT department. I can see why they would want it, but I can’t imagine most small businesses would give a hoot. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT pronouns
Virtue signaling from all directions is tiresome and counter-productive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2022 12:23:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT pronouns Why does this bother you? It's just an email signature. I don't list my pronouns anywhere, and have no desire to, but I'm certainly not offended or angered when I see someone list them in their email. Live and let live On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Got my first email where the sender listed their pronouns. It was from the clerk of the Utah court of appeals. She/Her/Hers I hope this does not become a thing. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest client appliance
Our DSL test Exfo units have speedtest.net, iPerf 3, and FTP tests in them. I'm not sure how fast they'll handle. They make fiber versions as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 2:00:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest client appliance $3500 ish. It’s mostly meant for a PON install tech to check light levels and troubleshoot installs but it has a built in Speedtest client so that it can run 10G ethernet tests as well. Server can be your own Speedtest.net instance or a nearby one. Mark Mark Radabaugh Amplex 22690 Pemberville Rd Luckey, OH 43443 419-837-5015 x 1021 419-261-5996 cell m...@amplex.net On Sep 27, 2022, at 7:46 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: How much is this Veex FX120 device approximately? Do you need a server at the headend to test to? From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 5:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest client appliance Not in the cost category you are looking for, but also not completely out of line, is the Veex FX120 that will (in addition to doing a lot of other things) Speedtest a 10G connection. Mark Mark Radabaugh Amplex 22690 Pemberville Rd Luckey, OH 43443 419-837-5015 x 1021 419-261-5996 cell m...@amplex.net On Sep 23, 2022, at 5:28 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: When we’re selling 1gig connections I’d like installers to have a definitive way to test to a full gig. A recent Raspberry Pi can hit a full gig on iPerf every time. I’d love to see one of those touch screen cases on a Raspberry Pi that boots up and presents a big button that says “Run speedtest” and then it could just run iPerf in the background and put the final result on screen. The current strategy is to supply a “known good” laptop that we know can do 1gig. But even that can be imperfect for a lot of reasons. I’d like to dumb it down to stupid mode so any joker can plug in a box and push a button and get a test result. If it’s more complicated to use than an optical power meter then it’s too complicated. Before I try and make something, does it already exist as a product? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] My Internet is down and I can't sleep
A week? Mine's been down for 4 months. Not sure when they'll be back either. Thankfully, all but one customer was able to see another grain leg I could use. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 8:19:38 AM Subject: [AFMUG] My Internet is down and I can't sleep One of our grain legs is getting demolished and rebuilt, so the site is down for a week. Planned outage, all the customers knew. Customer emailed yesterday and wanted to know how much longer it will be down because they can't control their mattress without the internet. I'm having visions of something from 'Naked Gun' or 'Airplane' of the mattress just going crazy and they have it barricaded in a room. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] RIP: Stuart Pierce
Yup. https://www.funeralhome.com/obituary/Stuart-Pierce -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:58:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RIP: Stuart Pierce Seriously? Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Sep 17, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe > Brothers WISP > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
