Re: [AFMUG] list traffic

[dave via AF]

I have had trouble cat5e over time where the cable speeds fade 
especially over longer distance but currently Cat6 does seem to be 
holding its own.

If the radio has a sfp port we use it.


On 7/26/21 8:57 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
That's absolutely not true.  All of our gig links are cat5e.  Cat6 may 
or may not help, but it absolutely is not a requirement.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 6:25 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


$$$
Lol...
My post was about someone suggesting that Cambium Force 300 only
gets 1gbps on LAN port when you use Cat6 cabling...
I don't this that is true...

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 3:58 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Wait a minute.  You got kick back for sending an email?  How
do we all get in on that?

On a serious note though, the last email I saw before this
afternoon was one from Bill at 11:19am (Central) on Monday
commenting on Chuck’s shrimp deprivation.

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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] list traffic

I sent one two days ago and it was kicked back

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 2:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

The server dashboard looks normal but I have not received
anything since Sunday.  Perhaps something is scraping off
at my end.

If anyone sees this in the next few hours of 7/21/21 9:59
mountain daylight time, please reply directly to me:
ch...@go-mtc.com 

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Re: [AFMUG] Is the Internet Working?

[Dave via AF]

MY fave is

Tech: Check your internet to see if your up

Cust: Walks in and grabs roku remote and turns on "Yep its working"

When did internet become the goto for everything?


On 7/17/2021 2:58 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

New one today.  On the phone with a customer.

Tech: 'Is the internet working for you right now?'

Customer: 'Hang on, let me check   ALEXA, WHAT IS THE TEMPERATURE'

Alexa: 'The temperature is 78 degrees'

Customer: 'Internet is all working great! Thank you!'




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

[dave via AF]

To trouble shoot it..ASk "Is it Running?"
if answer is "yes" then say you better catch it :)


On 6/23/21 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Your TV isn't connecting.  Please contact your ISP.

Your phone isn't turning on.  Please contact your ISP.

Your refrigerator isn't connected to the Samsung Delivery System.  
Please contact your ISP.


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On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Because it's easier to get on the phone than it is to walk ALL THE
WAY
to the equipment room.


bp


On 6/22/2021 9:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they have no
> internet.  On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and multiple
> pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc) 
How can
> you not notice that all of the blinking lights that are usually
> blinking are not blinking?  I'm guessing it's also much quieter
than
> normal.  And how is the first thought that 'I'm going to call
the ISP
> because the internet isn't working' before even checking anything.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

[dave via AF]

efax it... LOL


On 6/16/21 3:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
That's not an option for customers that still do faxing.  They're 
still faxing for a reason, whatever that may be...


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On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:33 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


Sometimes the best solution is to pivot.  We fax so little, it
just seems like a problem in search of a solution. What we started
doing with the small number of people we need to exchange
documents with is to just set up a secure drop box. If they want
to print it, fine.


bp


On 6/16/2021 6:17 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


For you guys doing a lot of VoIP, what Internet based faxed
service are you having good success with, cost effectively?

Being able to reach someone and easily port numbers is important
obviously.

Paul

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*


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Re: [AFMUG] Fax line replacement

[dave via AF]

Ive used the cisco ones and the cambium router cant tell any difference


On 6/16/21 8:17 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


For you guys doing a lot of VoIP, what Internet based faxed service 
are you having good success with, cost effectively?


Being able to reach someone and easily port numbers is important 
obviously.


Paul

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Brass

[dave via AF]

Yes or argue u should wear a mask or not and take a bullet for your cause:)


On 6/14/21 3:57 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


There was an interesting opinion in Slate today about vaccines. You 
can get Pfizer, Moderna, J, or the actual virus. All will 
technically "vaccinate" you.


As for safety, around 300 million people have gotten the first 3, and 
there have been handful of deaths associated with the J (like around 
3 in a million). The last one has killed around 600,000 of the 
estimated 34,000,000 we think have gotten it (like 17,000 per million).


So the question is not about whether you will get vaccinated. Everyone 
will get vaccinated one way or the other.



bp

On 6/14/2021 1:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


People could have made a rational argument about mandatory vaccines 
without handing the microphone to any nutcases.


..they'd may lose that argument because the supreme has already 
ruled twice on mandatory vaccines, but they could absolutely make a 
coherent and non-crazy argument.



On 6/14/2021 4:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Gheeze, I did not realize a brass key could be attracted by a magnet.







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Re: [AFMUG] fortinet switches OMG!

[dave via AF]

I am sure they do.. They are not my switches
They want to make every excuse not use wireless gear.


On 6/14/21 12:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

ahh, do you have ports set up as trunks for those VLANs?

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 11:40 AM dave via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


No phy links ok just not able to pass vlans


On 6/11/21 4:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

We use them, not sure theres any directly attached over epmp. Are
they not making ethernet links to the radio, or is it layer 2 issue?
Verify negotiation on the ethernet link isnt flummoxed. Otherwise
epmp is a pretty dumb bridge, unless this is two clients on an ap
with sm isolation enabled, or there is a second connection
between the switches causing a loop

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 2:41 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Has anyone ran into issues with fortinet not able to make
fortinet link establish over epmp bridge link?
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Re: [AFMUG] fortinet switches OMG!

[dave via AF]

No phy links ok just not able to pass vlans


On 6/11/21 4:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We use them, not sure theres any directly attached over epmp. Are they 
not making ethernet links to the radio, or is it layer 2 issue?
Verify negotiation on the ethernet link isnt flummoxed. Otherwise epmp 
is a pretty dumb bridge, unless this is two clients on an ap with sm 
isolation enabled, or there is a second connection between the 
switches causing a loop


On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 2:41 PM dave via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Has anyone ran into issues with fortinet not able to make fortinet
link establish over epmp bridge link?
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Re: [AFMUG] Sterilizing a raccoon latrine

[dave via AF]

I think a Flame thrower will work for this..


On 6/11/21 4:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We have a new site that had been abandoned for some time, there is a 
massive racoon latrine in the work area. Apparently theres a bad worm 
in them we can get, not to mention the fungal infection risk. We are 
going to be clearing it out, but need to sterilize as we go. And 
minimize airborne particulate even though we will have respirators. Is 
there a good fungicide, sterilant for this? I plan on pump spraying 
bleach on clean up day to murder as much nasty as we can and keep the 
dust down but didnt know if theres a better option. We arent talking a 
couple turds, this is mounds upon mounds of it mixed with bird poop. 
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[AFMUG] fortinet switches OMG!

[dave via AF]

Has anyone ran into issues with fortinet not able to make fortinet link 
establish over epmp bridge link?

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Re: [AFMUG] SIP External Ringer

[dave via AF]

+1
the ALGO product is the way to go .. We installed one for a minerals plant.
It has a place for external speaker and a strobe light.


On 5/21/21 1:36 PM, Daniel White wrote:
With the right parts and pieces, sure.  Sometimes it can be a bit of 
fun to get everything to work just right if you are doing applications 
like paging.


CyberData and Algo are the two companies known for SIP enabled stuff.  
An Algo 8180 would probably work great for this but yes it is ~$300.  
It does have a lot of extra features you may or may not use that can 
justify the cost.


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Nate Burke 
May 21, 2021 at 11:40
I have a request to get a 'Ringer they can hear in the warehouse' 
When a call comes into a ring group.


It looks like SIP ringers start around $300.  Can't I just put in a 
$30 ATA and a $30 analog ringer and get the same result?  I'm 
guessing an externally powered ringer would be the best, any 
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB Enrollment

[dave via AF]

What do we do as an ISP? Do we enroll the customer or do they enroll 
them selves and we submit their acceptance?



On 5/17/21 7:14 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have one that we were able to fully qualify and enroll last week.

Of the 5 that applied over the weekend 3 say “Application_Not_Found”, one is 
“Application Pending” and one has multiple fails for 
“Application_not_complete”, “Invalid_Address”, and “State_Fed_Fail”.

Just starting to dig into what all this means though.

Mark


On May 16, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:

Has  anyone  had  any  luck  enrolling  customers  in  EBB?   I have 3
customers  that  I'm  trying  to enroll.  Al 3 say the went though the
process.  One of them sent me a screen shot saying they were accepted.
Every time I try to enroll them I get

"The  subscriber  has not qualified through the National Verifier yet
or their application has expired. You can qualify them now at 
getemergencybroadband.org"

The  odds  of  all  3 screwing up are low.  Just wondering if there is
something I'm missing.


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Re: [AFMUG] Netflow tools

[Dave via AF]

Best I have found and includes other useful features such as QOE/QOS

Preseem.com


On 5/8/2021 10:15 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is 
using.  Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc.  I'm already using Netflow to 
send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for 
the customer IP's.  It's been several years since I looked at on site 
Netflow tools.


Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers.

Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure 
their pricing will match all that advertizing.  I just want to run 
something for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of 
traffic are.




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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

OMG.. is this my future in in 10 years


On 5/7/21 8:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Does razor sharp wit count?

On 5/7/2021 9:42 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I haven't shaved for 45 years. Don't even own a razor.

bp

On 5/6/2021 9:18 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


When you're 67 your pencil-lead will be broken and your razor won't 
shave


On 5/6/21 2:36 PM, dave via AF wrote:
If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take 
my time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in 
our nation and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will 
tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA 
internet service and that they are happy for us to be a QB 
customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with 
cards.  Anything free out there that makes their money from the 
merchant percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just 
the lowest overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I 
don’t need any management of my network just simple recurring 
billing.
















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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

If my mind is still as sharp as it is today when im 67 I will take my 
time in retirement after visiting the oceans and mountains in our nation 
and write a complete open source product for ease of use.



On 5/6/21 4:30 PM, dave via AF wrote:

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell 
us is that they don’t approve of our “products”.  AKA internet 
service and that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest 
overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing

[dave via AF]

Freeside was the goto when support was good and available
We still use it heavily and its completely free outside of outside 
support cost to help with new upgrades and modules.

I am pushing to find another open source that is widely supported.
It now has inventory accounting as well.


On 5/6/21 9:56 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us 
is that they don’t approve of our “products”. AKA internet service and 
that they are happy for us to be a QB customer...
So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly 
journal entry to move over the revenue.
Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards.  
Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant 
percentage?  I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest 
overall cost to the company.
Was platypus free?  Used it for years at another company.  I don’t 
need any management of my network just simple recurring billing.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy today

[dave via AF]

I have soldiers with same attitude. Tried everything to put him on the 
right path. Sometimes  you cant fix stupid.
He stayed in for his 4 years and never got passed E3. Transferred to 3 
diff units over the course.



On 4/22/21 5:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
He had worked for about 3 months.  Learned his job quickly.  High 
performer.  But he started acting like a boss, chewing coworkers ass 
etc.  Damaged a vehicle and acted like it was no big deal.  Got a 
write up.  Started having absentee issues.
Today his supervisor tried to administer some corrective action.  They 
guy said two things:  “every one of these guys is a total idiot” and 
when asked what things he could do to improve: “nothing, can’t think 
of a single thing”.  Copped an attitude for about the 5th time.  So 
the supervisor said he was done, someone would give him a ride at the 
end of the shift.  He started throwing around the his lawyer was going 
to contacting us.  He was going to sue the company, sue the supervisor 
etc.
Then he came back to the supervisor and told him it was a racial 
issue.  I have no clue what race this guy is.  Hair and beard is 
black.  If I had to guess, he was Italian. Most of my crew has some 
shade of brown.  I actually prefer that.
He was one of those guys that worked an average of 9 months at the 
last 5 jobs he worked.
Dang, he could have been one of the good ones.  Toxic employee 
though.  I value the lack of drama more than almost anything else.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

[dave via AF]

I have the best support folks up front
If cust doesnt want to upgrade then its explained that thier problem 
wont go away by buying a bigger tv or router
The answer is more bandwidth sorry if our pricing is too much for you 
then maybe another provider can help you.

I cant stand stupid LOL


On 4/28/21 9:33 AM, Craig House wrote:

Tell them to return the new 4k TV and use the money to upgrade plans.

- Original Message -
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:22:57 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Why isn't the internet Free?

Every now and then you get a customer that just grinds your gears.
Customer has multiple streaming services, including Youtube TV, so they
have to be paying over $100/month for their OTT packages, but they
REFUSE to spend more than $35/month for our lowest grandfathered base
package, and continually complain about picture quality and buffering.
We've offered our higher packages, but 'I can't afford that'  So we've
told them multiple times that they're not happy with us and they need to
switch to Comcast, but 'Comcast is too expensive'  and 'I'm just a poor
teacher'  Then they had the audacity to tell us 'I even went and bought
a new 4k Samsung smart TV thinking that would fix everything, but it's
all still grainy and still buffering!'  Well, yes, it's maxing out your
plan speed.  No matter how expensive of a TV you get it'll still have
that problem. I'm not sure what the problem is with upgrading their
package since apparently they can spend money on everything else.

Not really looking for any answers, just need someone to gripe to since
I'm sitting here by myself this morning.



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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

[dave]

At least the days of computer manufactures making everything proprietary 
is no longer a thing :)

Except  Apple --LOL


On 4/6/21 2:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
The canopy crew was much more fun back in those days. They would 
invite me to Schaumberg and visit with the engineers.  Show them my 
stinger prototypes etc.  They gave me canvas software to do special 
things in the transmitter and even let me do FCC type approval work 
alongside them in the same labs.  Things were great.  Tom Hulsebosch 
and the other Tom (Gruba?) were super great at working with the 
channel partners and fanning all the flames.
Chuck Macenski would stick his neck out time and time again to help 
everyone.
Then, I can only presume, someone in Mot HQ decided to step in and 
“help” this group of “loose cannons” turn things into a proper 
Motorola division or something.  I only know that once Tom and Tom 
were gone I got bupkis by the way of support and collaboration.  I 
could name a couple of guys that actively worked against me.  Hope 
karma bit them in the balls eventually.

*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:09 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
I always loved the error message:
Unauthorized (401)
Through a series of highly sophisticated and complex algorithms, this 
system has determined that you are not presently authorized to use 
this system function. It could be that you simply mistyped a password, 
or, it could be that you are some sort of interplanetary alien-being 
that has no hands and, thus, cannot type. If I were a gambler, I would 
bet that a cat (an orange tabby named Sierra or Harley) somehow jumped 
onto your keyboard and forgot some of the more important pointers from 
those typing lessons you paid for. Based on the actual error 
encountered, I would guess that the feline in question simply forgot 
to place one or both paws on the appropriate home keys before 
starting. Then again, I suppose it could have been a keyboard error 
caused by some form of cosmic radiation; this would fit nicely with my 
interplanetary alien-being theory. If you think this might be the 
cause, perhaps you could create some sort of underground bunker to 
help shield yourself from it. I don’t know that it will work, but, you 
will probably feel better if you try something.


On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

“Early software releases were given old testament biblical names.
Obidiah firmware ran on board P5 or P6. Nahum was in some field
beta units on P6 or P7 hardware. One wonders if there was a Jonah
and Micah in between those releases and a Joel and Amos before. It
is believed that Nahum was the last "named" release with numbered
releases following. Generally available units were shipped with
software in the 3.x.x range. (Is this correct, someone check this
if possible, I am guessing).

It is certain that Nahum was shipping as of Sept 2002; Don Lashier
of newportnet.com  reports on part-15.org
 the following:

"Our initial deployment was Sept 2002, Nahum iirc. Oldest msg from
this list in my save folder is also from David K, 9/12/2002 re
comroestudios (whispermaper?).”

From:
http://wisptech.com/index.php?title=Unofficial_History_of_Canopy


*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
Software Version CANOPY Nahum(SP3) Feb 15 2002 18:09:24
Seems like there were some other biblical named releases too.
*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
Yep, 2002 summer I think.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Nahum boards?

*From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman

*Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002
in my memory.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Tuesday, 

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

[dave]

we got ours in 2003


On 4/6/21 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So early 2000 ... memory is fading

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Canopy

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*From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i
can't remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any
one recognize it?

My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...

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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[dave]

Josh this should make your day

https://eupen.us/products/hybrid-fiber-cable-systems/

A rep stopped by to see our two-way rep and I got intrigued LOL!


On 4/2/21 4:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
*[https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18-4c-thhn-pvc-tray-cable.html?fbclid=IwAR3Uzvs2Ooe-7btY6nMI-yzr0nrbG_WIJb4RqyzgxgJjc3Ay-YNEK0NF0Oc 
18awg4c cable]
*[https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Singlemode-Outdoor-Armored-Preterminated-Fiber 
preterminated fiber]
*[https://www.amazon.com/Molex-63811-1000-Service-Grade-Crimping/dp/B00OVF2AKI 
Molex 63811-1000 crimper]
*[https://www.amazon.com/Molex-11-03-0044-Connector-Accessories-Extraction/dp/B00GOIY1NE/ 
Molex 11-03-0044 extractor]
*[https://www.fs.com/products/97935.html Armored UV resistant 1m 
armored patch cable dual duplex LC UPC]
*[https://www.streakwave.com/cambium-n00l140a-silver-rj-45-gland-spare-pg16-long 
N00L140A SFP glands]


We use FS bidi that we've got a shelf of already.
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.

Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI...
he's got
some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away
with the 4 wire.

You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or
something is
the part number).

On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz
450M?
> Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP
and does
> it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and
I want
> to make sure I have everything in-place.
>

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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[dave]

we use 4-wire riser cable from the local wholesale company which is 
perfect for outdoor protection

we use only best-tronics tactical pair fiber with or without glands.
we use only FS SFP modules. Cisco compatible with high range temperature.

Been installed for over 3 years no issues.

The whole power thing we solved by using something similar to squid 
distribution box but only for hybrid cable.
The first deployment was tough we used a 3 wire #8 riser cable into a 
3'x4' nema enclosure using lugs. Which was
not the best due to surge protection. I now have a new standard for 
design that basically incorporates the PacketFlux DC cards
and EtherWan fiber switches. The only thing coming down the tower is a 
single armored fiber with the 3 wire#8 for Power.

The new design cleans up the wire management for sure.

Medusa are the big boy toys which need the big boy deployments.


On 4/2/21 3:39 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells 
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.


Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's 
got some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do 
away with the 4 wire.


You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something 
is the part number).


On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 
450M?  Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode 
SFP and does it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first 
one and I want to make sure I have everything in-place.






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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[dave]

Im waiting for vegas show


On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be there.  Be 
nice to see people in person finally.


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On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White > wrote:


Sam,

I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all things
considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than
what WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.

WA historically has been the "engineering" show.  Deeper dives. 
An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the
old and much cherished Animal Farm shows). Turn-out is always
smaller because there are less business/accounting/HR focused tracks.

Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very
different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows (and I'm not
just saying that).

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Sam Lambie 
March 30, 2021 at 14:00
Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will
be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this
any more informative and better organized or??



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

[dave]

+1
Dennis,
I look at not only the hardware specs but it interface limitation as 
well. Having multiple 10G ports sets that model up for a good edge 
router not intended for nat.



On 3/1/21 4:22 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

We have customers with dual 10gig bonded links running 12-15gig inbound with 
1072s and full tables without issues.  Note, no connecting tracking.  Its more 
about knowing their limitations and working around those.  We would simply put 
NAT at each  tower vs at the network edge, creates better design and allows for 
each tower to be natted to its local IP.  Just my two cents.



Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
How did we do today?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 4:13 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

One thing I'll miss about Mikrotik is every router can use every feature.


On 3/1/2021 3:52 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

I guess it depends on what kind of NAT you want to do.

Here's an overview of CGNAT implementation options:
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos-space-apps/edge-serv
ices-director1.0/topics/topic-map/nat-junos-cgn-implementations.html

And which chassies take which cards:
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/topic-map/ser
vices-pics-overview.html#id-multiservices-mic-and-multiservices-mpc-ms
-mic-and-ms-mpc-overview

You *can* get started with a MS-MIC-16G , but it doesn't have the throughput of 
later cards nor all the bells and whistles.

- Jared


Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 at 3:31 PM
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

Maybe I was misinformed.

The VAR told me JunOS would only do 1:1 NAT unless you had an IP
Services card, and that I had to have an MX240, 480, or 960 to use
that card.


On 3/1/2021 3:27 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

If your needs are more modest, I guess you could get away with an MS-MIC-16G 
card in a low end MX router. The MIC can be had for less than four grand, as 
can an older MX router. That should be good for CGNAT needs under 9 Gbps.


- Jared





Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 at 1:41 PM
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations I should have
said it's 5 digits on top of having a Juniper router which can accept the IP services 
card (eg MX240, MX480, or MX960).  You'll be into 6 digits before you have the whole BOM. 
 Maybe I should have said "Lamborghini money".  Depends whether you already 
have the Juniper router or if you had to start from square one.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Juniper, I'm just saying you have to 
bring your checkbook if you want to do CG-NAT with them.

On 3/1/2021 1:06 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
It's 5 digit numbers, however you choose to label it.
The good news is one box will scale to staggering amounts of traffic.



On 3/1/2021 1:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Corvette money. Is that anything like cubic dollars?

bp



On 3/1/2021 9:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
CGNAT on Juniper requires an IP services card.  With licensing it's like 
Corvette money.
but that's kinda where we're at isn't it.



On 3/1/2021 12:36 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
I gave up the first time they asked me to record data for them during an 
instance and wanted us to let it hang and collect data.

I was like no, not going to do that.

And then started removing 1072 connection tracking altogether from my network.

For the time being I’m using 1036 for CGNAT as a transition, then will head to CHR CGNAT, then Juniper.

I agree that Mikrotik just isn’t focused on the 1072 anymore and this particular issue seems beyond them to repair.

Which makes the 1072 a no starter for anything conn track for us ever again.

I’ve got one 2004 doing the CGNAT now, and it’s on latest Stable release.

Watching to see if it bails too, or is capable of doing it for the time being.

But our end game it MPLS/VPLS and/or direct switch VLAN type segmentation of layer2 into our cores where we will do all of the heavy lifting.





From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:03 AM
To: af [mailto:af@af.afmug.com]
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations



Still fighting with Mikrotik about the 1072 reboots.  New hardware didn't fix 
it, had several people check the configs all were good. After 2 months of going 
back and forth, escalating to a higher tier tech...   I 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: getting old and angry

[Dave]

Man I feel ya...

Except almost everything makes me angry, but my tempers flare when we 
are not appreciated at all.


We have 2 ft of snow on the ground with below 0 temps which is unheard 
of here in 100yrs. So, I get the cold shoulder because I would not get 
into my 4wd tahoe with street tire to go halfway across the county to


fix a site that went down at 9pm  with snow flurries  being constant. . 
The rest of the network never flinched the whole week we had this 
unprecedented snow storm here but to the boss it was complete wash LOL!


I am better than that so water off a ducks back.


On 2/18/2021 2:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I think I may be aging out of my job, spend a lot of time too pissed 
at stuff.


I came across a box of some new stuff the boss ordered for the 
installer (i dont know if i ever mentioned i got a "promotion" a few 
years ago to a "supervisor" position but got cucked everytime i turned 
around, I despise micromanagement). Anyhow in the box was a cool elbow 
fro protecting cable from varmints, that was pretty cool, i used to 
keep pvc and conduit to bend, I wished i had had something like that 
when i was installing.

then I see it, i pile of tubes of silicone
FUCKING SILICONE
I despise silicone, it should be banned from the planet, it had its 
time, like manual push mowers.
I banned this shit years ago. I put it in the garbage and remind techs 
to never use it, if you want caulk, butyl. otherwise always use 
mastic, it stays malleable and moves if the hole chnages for nay 
reason, you can pull it, reuse it in the hole, you can paint over it, 
etc. silicone hardens and all you can ever do is put more silicone on 
it, and if you ever came in after a guy who doesnt believe theres such 
thing as enough silicone you have a half a day jus getting through it.


A whole box of this shit. I went ballistic. planned to call back the 
headhunter tonite to get me a new job, started plotting violence in my 
head. Almost walked out.


over silicone.

Pretty sure that level of rage is unhealthy, but so is the amount of 
bacon and butter I consume, so it probably evens out.


get off my lawn

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium's new 802.11ax ePMP PTP solution, the ePMP Force 400 Series -- 1GBps PTP

[dave]

AHHH yess your conversion to the Dark side is now complete MUHAHAHA!


On 2/4/21 3:26 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
None of the dishes are interchangeable.  I'd guess the radomes aren't 
interchangeable, but I could certainly be wrong.


I think if you're looking for heavy loaded sites you'd be better off 
with a connectorized model and 2' parabolic+


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On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 12:12 PM Brandon Yuchasz 
mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:


Josh,

Is the dish the old force 200 and force 300 dish still on that
425? Wondering if the Radomes still fit on this new model?

Thanks,

Brandon

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2021 2:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium's new 802.11ax ePMP PTP solution,
the ePMP Force 400 Series -- 1GBps PTP

Me Josh?

I've got a PTP Force425 up between a 4 story building and a tiny
little Rohn SSV about 4 miles away.  It was a Force 200-25. Signal
is great, only noise is us, etc.  We get 12.5 b/hz.  So 20 MHz is
250 mbps.  I can ramp that up to 500 mbps for 40 MHz and, while I
haven't tried it, upwards of 1gbps in 80 MHz.

Hardware is wonderful, we get the perfected Force 200 hardware
back.  The only complaint I have is we're switching to 48v.  So
far an AC site it's just a minor inconvenience but for a DC
without a 48v bus you're going to need a solution.

It's a great product.  It's Cambium.  Not sure what else there is
to say - buy them, hang them, move on to the next install.

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On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 10:19 AM Lincs_Chel mailto:lhan...@enc-tech.com>> wrote:

Hi Josh;

I am not sure if it is you that Cambium was referring to in their
Webinar introducing the new ePMP Force 400 series PTP, but if
it is, can
you speak about the performance and any other experiences with
reference  in regards to this.

Or if anyone else have experiences so far with this new series.

Thanks,


Lincs


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Re: [AFMUG] 10G FTTH access switch / CRS326-24S+2Q+RM

[Dave]

Ive been using the mikrotik CRS328 for a few years without issue.


On 2/8/2021 6:52 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

The 326 is a solid switch.

   Any issues when mixing 1G and 10G optics? I recall reading about buffering 
issues, slow speeds and packet loss.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's poor kids and streaming video

[dave]

Plex 100% yes for all your media..
I bought 2 roku ultras just so we could access it with ease now ALEXA 
does my bidding... Is this bad LOL :)



On 1/24/21 5:10 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:
I think Plex handle this really well. When you pause something it will 
freeze the screen when some a button bar on the lower 1/3 then after a 
few sec the button bar goes away. Then if you press down button will 
bring up a screen overlay that will have cast info and description info.


On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 6:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:


I think it was the second star wars movie.  Princess Leia was a
prisoner of
the big fat things.  I was pretty sure I saw a nipple when she was
struggling.  Later we rented the VHS and I stepped through it. 
Pretty sure
there was a nipple there.

-Original Message-
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 3:53 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Today's poor kids and streaming video

Am I the only one that's annoyed when you pause a video stream,
they dim
the screen and pop up other information.  How are you supposed to
pause
for the juicy bits?  And what about stepping through a scene frame by
frame?  Today's poor kids probably have no concept of stepping through
frame by frame.    I mean at least the 2000's kids could pause the
clear
frame on the DVD and not having all the VHS tracking lines on the
screen
like I grew up with.

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Re: [AFMUG] Odd centos issue

[dave]

Steve,
 Have a look at https://phoenixnap.com/kb/centos-8-early-eol-in-2021
This may concern or may not.. I moved all my centos boxes early in 2017 
to debian.

Dont regret that move at all.


On 1/25/21 6:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
So i have a centos server running openfire for our trillian clients to 
connect to. Its been great for a few years, its the way we do all 
interoffice communications with multiple same user logins.
Over the last month or so we have had issues where people arent 
getting messages. Updated openfire, seemed resolved.
Today i had a tech waiting on me for a site build, finally messaged 
him and he replied a screenshot of him asking me about scheduling that 
i never got.

So I reboot the server, neither my webmin or openfire come back up.
Troubleshooting shows appropriate ports listening. Finally i disable 
iptables and everything comes up.
(Also found out you have to change repos to update old centos 6 for a 
yum update)
I manage iptables through webmin, and the only policies in there are 
the default deny, established related allow , 1 webmin allow and 
port 22 allow.  My openfire server would never have worked.
During troubleshooting prior to disabling iptables i found Ipv6 was 
also enabled, i defaultly disable this, and the ports were listening 
only on ip6. I disabled ip6 and ip4 was listening.
We manage the ACL with a fortigate. Issue is our fortivoice needs the 
firmware version to function. This firmware has an issue where 
everything will get slow because of a memory leak.
Im trying to find a way this could be anything other than a 
compromised system. I could have forgot to disable ip6, but the ports 
would have needed to be listening on ip4, they werent.
I cant see any way the firewall would have worked at all unless i had 
it disabled and a reboot enabled it again, except i have rebooted it.
I dont even know on linux how to identify  a compromize. Our fortugate 
only has a free account and no fortianalyzer so no long term logs exist.
Im super concerned because i have all my centos webmin instances 
clustered.
Anybody see any way this isnt compromised? Years of function and the 
sudden presence of a firewall that would never have worked?



Also, trying modello dark, its a contender



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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[dave]

I think Im just going to try my luck at a 2u pentium II bare metal with 
some nice old nic cards and run native linux os for routing LOL :)

This should be fun


On 1/18/21 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

e7-2
e7 is the platform, the -2 is how many cards it holds. It's a 1U box.  
There's also the e7-20 which is a big like 8u or something.


e7 holds cards.

The cards are AE ports (like 12 or 16?) or GPON4/GPON8 which hold 4/8 
GPON plugs (look like SFP but I don't think they're technically SFP).  
They also have SFP+ and QSFP to talk to the rest of the network, like 
your upstream 10G internet pipe.


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On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:20 AM Josh Baird > wrote:


As someone who is Calix-stupid, can you tell me the E7-2 is doing
for you?

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:54 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

I'm 12 months into running a Calix e7-2 with Mikrotik with no
problems.  Using Powercode to manage it.

DHCP and NAT are something so damn simple I can't imagine why
you'd do Juniper for those.  Be way cheaper to run a Pi.

Chuck I'd comfortably say you'll be fine with rb4011 or CCR
passing traffic as I'm doing it.  Just like anything else, you
only hear about the complaints.

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On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:21 PM Chris Fabien
mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:

With that list of specs I would be comfortable using a Tik
CCR. If you want to start doing multiple upstream with
full tables BGP I would go to Juniper. We just finally
switched our edge routing to Juniper and it really should
have been a couple years ago.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 5:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

It is looking like I may be starting yea another new
ISP.  DIA on fiber. Upstream provider announcing my
IPs and doing BGP for me.
Router(s) feeding Calix E7-20
DHCP
DNS
What else do I need?
Router based NAT or server based NAT?
Server based router?
Like to keep it simple but fully redundant.
(All the infrastructure, DC, building, Generator, hvac
etc etc is easy, not asking about any of that).
A pair of routers for redundancy.  I was just going to
call Dennis and say “fix me up” but I am a bit gun shy
about MT anymore.  Thinking Juniper but nobody here
has much experience with programing edge/core routing
irrespective of the brand of router.
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[dave]

+1


On 1/18/21 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm 12 months into running a Calix e7-2 with Mikrotik with no 
problems.  Using Powercode to manage it.


DHCP and NAT are something so damn simple I can't imagine why you'd do 
Juniper for those.  Be way cheaper to run a Pi.


Chuck I'd comfortably say you'll be fine with rb4011 or CCR passing 
traffic as I'm doing it.  Just like anything else, you only hear about 
the complaints.


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On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:21 PM Chris Fabien > wrote:


With that list of specs I would be comfortable using a Tik CCR. If
you want to start doing multiple upstream with full tables BGP I
would go to Juniper. We just finally switched our edge routing to
Juniper and it really should have been a couple years ago.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 5:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

It is looking like I may be starting yea another new ISP.  DIA
on fiber.  Upstream provider announcing my IPs and doing BGP
for me.
Router(s) feeding Calix E7-20
DHCP
DNS
What else do I need?
Router based NAT or server based NAT?
Server based router?
Like to keep it simple but fully redundant.
(All the infrastructure, DC, building, Generator, hvac etc etc
is easy, not asking about any of that).
A pair of routers for redundancy.  I was just going to call
Dennis and say “fix me up” but I am a bit gun shy about MT
anymore.  Thinking Juniper but nobody here has much experience
with programing edge/core routing irrespective of the brand of
router.
Anyone want to consult on this and do our router setup?
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Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs

[dave]

The E50x series is a great outdoor/industrial solution.
We have just added the Micropop to our tool box as well.

On 1/12/21 12:47 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Im really digginng the coverage on the cnpilot e410, you can ho with 
outdoor higher power like i run at my house. Pretty much the whole 
cnpilot series is good, cambium also has another company they carry 
that looks like it scales better.
For what you get theyre relatively cheap and they always have some 
promotion or another to buy one get one.


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 12:44 PM Cassidy B. Larson > wrote:


I’d swap a couple of those Unifi Pros out for some UAP-AC-HD-US. 
We’ve had good luck with them over the other models.  See if that
gets better coverage than what he’s getting on the pros?


On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse.  He has about
100 unify AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better
solution.
I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good
stuff but there is a lot of stuff out there.  I remember using
Rukus for AnimalFarm shows.
What might be better.  By better I would think fewer APs,
stronger more reliable signals etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Need a 200-400 watt load

[dave]

+100

On 1/7/21 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Oooh I like the light bulb idea, that'll be nice and easy!  Three 100 
watt bulbs would be perfect!


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On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:06 AM Colin Stanners > wrote:


Options I've used are
1) 3-4x "round ceiling" type lighbulb holders wirth 100W bulbs
mounted on a piece of wood, using PC power cords with the ends cut
off to make them plug-in. Inexpensive and load is customizable by
choosing how many to plug in. Just need to be careful of storage
as the bulbs are delicate.
2) heater with a low-heat mode that takes about 300-400W.


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:58 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

My UPS needs to be at 30% load to get a runtime load test. 
I'm at 11% (of 750va) with the BH and AP up there.

If memory serves, back in 2015 I used a couple CRT monitors. 
Those are long gone.  The only idea I have is a space heater,
but that's 850-900 watts and will probably be too much.

Short of carrying up 20 Ubiquiti AP/POE and some surge strips,
anyone have any clever ideas?  I have to carry this up 5
flights of stairs so please be gentle :)

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Re: [AFMUG] OT gantt chart

[Dave]

Libre office == free by choice


On 12/24/2020 1:02 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Anyone have any recommendations for free gantt chart software.  I miss 
MS project.  Everyone now seems to be cloud based and subscription based.
I am about to renew my basic smartsheet subscription but I really want 
resource management and you have to buy a 3 user license for that.  
$75/month.


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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro any issues?

[Dave]

its net neutrality coming back :)


On 12/23/2020 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Anybody else unable to log into their cloud account?  I’m out in the 
field so it could be at my end, but it doesn’t look like it.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT PPE

[Dave]

Sounds like the rest of the world... Im entitled to everything.. Me me me!


On 12/23/2020 2:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We provide our employees an orange vest and hard hat.  We tell them 
they need steel toed boots.

We don’t provide safety glasses.
Had a new guy work 7 hours and quit a couple of weeks ago.  Today he 
calls and claims an eye injury from mud during potholing.  Threatening 
legal action, called my wife a F.. C...
(He did not report the injury to anyone at the time.  We are starting 
workers compensation process just in case.  Not sure he even went to 
the doctor).
I called him and we had an interesting conversation.  He was on 
speaker phone, Jenny was standing here, I recorded it.  Was an asshole 
but I convinced him to do the right thing. He apologized.
Pretty sure he did not want what was going to come next if he did not 
apologize.
Do y’all provide safety glasses?  I think we will start now.  
Potholing does spray mud.  And they are cheap.

I was fixin’ to go to jail a half hour ago.   Fun day...

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Re: [AFMUG] stabilizing an Unguyed tower

[dave]

How is it unstable?
 does it wobble?
or is it a sturdy /twisty kinda thing?

Most of that can be contained by just adding braces between the legs top 
middle bottom.

more if needed


On 12/21/20 9:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


On utility poles they sometimes use "sidewalk guys" in tight places.  
The wire goes to an arm and then straight down. Lateral force on the 
pole wants to pull straight up on the anchor so you get an auger in 
real deep.  Could you put an auger in adjacent to the pad?




Fig. 1- Structure Configuretion and

On 12/21/2020 10:20 PM, Craig House wrote:

The attached drawing is rough but I hope you get the idea.  It is not the tower 
in questions but is a photo I had I could mark up

I have a customer that has a tower in the very corner of their yard  90 degree 
angle corner.  Best I can get in the yard is one guy wire and the neighbor is 
not an option to put guy wires in.  25g 50' tall.  I'd like to make it more 
stable but how?   The base is in concrete and has been there for some time.  
Heavy winds have not caused damage to the tower so it is not about how solid it 
is as much as how much it moves  Would a guy wire design where all three legs 
were guyed back to the base of the tower using some kind of stand off in the 
middle do anything?  I think it might make the tower more rigid but would it 
keep it from swaying?  Since some of the unstableness of the tower comes from 
the joints it seems like it might help but is it worth the effort?  I maybe 
could move out 3' from the base but that angle just doesn't do much more than 
attaching to the base just above the concrete.  Thoughts?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT vaccines

[dave]

Only when something dire happens then its an emergency.


On 12/21/20 11:05 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
What about the installers who go into customers houses everyday? I 
would think they should be.
I am sure we will find out soon. Does WISPA get us guidance on this 
matter?


Tushar



On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



That sounds right.

It was interesting for once that I’m too YOUNG to get something (75 
and older).  But looking at the state death totals by age, that does 
make sense.


Wasn’t the CDC recommendation 75+ and “frontline essential workers”?  
It will probably be up to the states and counties to interpret that.  
They might decide that grocery store clerks and bus drivers and 
teachers are ahead of you.  Everyone’s essential, right?  But what 
constitutes frontline?  Probably interacting on a daily basis with 
people who are or might be infected.  Not sure the electric company 
lineman is frontline.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2020 10:19 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT vaccines

I suspect reach out to your county health department.



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*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Cc: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, December 21, 2020 10:15:08 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT vaccines

Utility workers are to be included in the next round.  I wonder how 
you apply/get vetted?



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Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[dave]

DA HUMANITY!!


On 12/14/20 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I had a customer this morning complaining she couldn’t “sign on” to 
the Internet.  I mentioned that Google had an outage this morning, but 
she responded that she doesn’t use any Google services.  Of course her 
email was from a Gmail address.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 6:54 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

"I know I'm next, they're coming after my google home mini and my 
netflix account."


a  Google is broken this morning.



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*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >

*Sent: *Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:57:21 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

Nope, per fireye, the toolset had to be released because of it being 
stolen, was not "in the wild"


Going to get really interesting to see what comes of this, two federal 
agencies just happen to get hit shortly after. You can do plenty when 
you know how you would have otherwise been caught.


And that's all fireye admits to having been breached. I'm gonna go 
ahead and not take their word on it definitively having been russia 
either. Convenient timing after iran specifically has stated they're 
going to retaliate for the dead scientist. China will probably confirm 
this shortly


Pretty sure this is far from over and pretty sure this company is just 
the first to go public.


I know I'm next, they're coming after my google home mini and my 
netflix account.


On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 9:10 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Not saying you are wrong.

But I think I read somewhere that the Fireye tools that were
stolen were a collection of malware already in the wild that they
used for testing of client networks.  So it was stuff already
available, just neatly packaged.

The guys who really f’d up were the “Equation Group” (cough,
cough, NSA) who lost novel and very powerful hacking tools like
Eternal Blue to the Shadow Brokers group.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:45 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Fireye

These guys F'd up beyond belief.

Inept as jaime would say

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Re: [AFMUG] graphing 450m frame utilization

[dave]

preseem

On 12/13/20 9:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Anybody know the secret to checking or graphing frame utilization on a 
Cambium 450m AP?  The OID I am using is:


1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.12.2.1.0

That works reliably on a regular 450i AP, but seems to be way 
pessimistic on a 450m.  I will see the graph peg at 100%, but then an 
hour or two later the traffic graph will be double, so it seems like 
the AP wasn’t even close to maxed out.  I’m not sure what’s going on, 
perhaps the SMs with low modulation are maxing out but the AP can 
still send lots more data to the SMs with good modulation and that 
make use of MU-MIMO?  Like screw you bad boys, Santa’s going to give 
more presents to the good boys.


Is there another OID I should be using?




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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Dave]

Long live Debian and its variants :)


On 12/13/2020 12:02 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


This is another discussion about the alternatives. Keep in mind, this 
is just another opinion.


https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/centos-linux-is-gone-but-its-refugees-have-alternatives/


To summarize:

1. CentOS Stream
2. Oracle Linux
3. Cloud Linux
4. Springdale Linux
5. Rocky Linux
6. HPE ClearOS


bp

On 12/12/2020 7:19 PM, Lincs Chel wrote:


Hi;

I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux. Consider 
the following from their blog, news and website:-


 *

If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and
are in the position where you need to look at alternatives going
forward. Switching to Oracle Linux is easy.

  o 
https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux


 *
Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS? 

  o https://www.oracle.com/linux/ 


Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use 
them as a good guide:-


  * cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More
  o https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/



And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era 
days and/or BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments.  
Probably their posture may be the best position to take when looking 
and/or want to "marry" with a particular distro which had various 
roadmaps during their history.


 *

BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the
CentOS project never was without issues and unpredictability.
Therefore we've never been fully "married" to it. It's always
been more of a matter of convenience than one of choice. We even
departed briefly from CentOS during the CentOS 6 days and
favored Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then we kept our eyes
and ears open for alternatives and also contemplated contingencies.


  * You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News
CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
  o 
https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail




Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original 
founder of CentOS is considering a possible return:-



And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat
pulled the rug out from under our feet.

In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say
:

I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may
even be able to hire some people for this effort. If you are
interested in helping, please join the HPCng slack (link on
the website hpcng.org).

Greg (original founder of CentOS)



If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on 
CentOS, then the impact may even be more on your operations.  I am 
guessing Cambium's cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually.



Lincoln


On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not 
sure what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar 
purchase, but we would have to sit in their board room to understand 
their thinking. I wouldn't be surprised to see that they are saving 
money by getting all those community developers do the work for next 
to nothing. Sure cuts down on the expenses in the development 
department.


The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your 
wagon to. I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was 
"enterprise". Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have 
since switched to Debian. It's the same, but different. Same enough 
for my taste, and down-homey enough for the small operation we are.


NBD.


bp

On 12/12/2020 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Linux... linux is free... right?
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when 
IBM acquired RedHat.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 
350 a year per server, physical server only, and not intended for 
production use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right


I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading 
correctly ubuntu 

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Dave]

+1000

On 12/11/2020 3:37 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
You picked the distro that has deep commercial roots. The company 
behind CentOS has been bought and sold at least twice that I know of. 
Might be better with Debian or one of its variants like Ubunty.


On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and
its tombstoned in 2021?

Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have
my resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.

Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is
ended but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit
end of the OS?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Dave]

Thats cool and most awesome LOL!

Especially with 50 APs and 900 Subs on cbrs


On 12/8/2020 2:18 PM, John Seaman via AF wrote:


Yes Ken.  For CBRS-only, you don’t need a subscription to X.  The SAS 
fee has you covered.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:08 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

And what’s the tl:dr for WISPs that only use cnMaestro for CBRS?  Does 
our $3/sub still cover that?


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Steve Jones

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:57 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

Yeah, the detailed specifics. Is it just the stuff that has the pro 
flag now or will some of the rest me pay for use


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 12:55 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will
continue to be free for SM and AP?

I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and
why are free features in standard now pay in X?

On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:



That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for
wisps there are two pricing components: SMs (referred to as
tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to tier 2).  SMs are less
expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three year
subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs
are $60 ($20 per year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6
GHz backhauls like the PTP 670 and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet
support PTP 820).    Pricing for enterprise Wi-Fi/enterprise
gear follows the third schedule, referred to as Tier 3.

Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along
with Cambium Care Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support
service.   Standard tech support (8x5) is still free.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a
prostitute.

On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:

also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with
benefits so you get to be a friend with benefits if you
pay the fee.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be
60GHz ptmp when it arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per
device? for 5 year? but an AP may not last that long
but we still have to keep track of it.

It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't
understand it.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you
explain these in more detail John



On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I believe "config push" will still be a free
feature.  At least this is what John alluded
to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a
"PRO" feature when I login.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Id like to know the pricing on long term
data and multi tenant. I was reading the
manual on multitenant and so excited then
went to do it and was like damn, kick me
in the balls. we are cloud

I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if
you do CBRS its more than config pushes
(also not free)

Does on prem let you do long term data?

CnMaestro is like Linkplanner, the product
is too good to be completely free, there
has to be some revenue for support and new

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[dave]

Dennis,
 Simple Formula for bearing.. I would not think tilt is necessary but 
plausible.

We used that app for a while and liked it.
I have the formula I used to help cambium automate the Azimuth for the 
cbrs template spreadsheet.

 if u would like to have a copy i can send it.
There are also samples on the net also..
Here is a link to a new site that explains it well. 
https://www.igismap.com/formula-to-find-bearing-or-heading-angle-between-two-points-latitude-longitude/




On 12/3/20 8:56 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


We had that in our towercoverage.com android app, however we have let 
that app go as the mobile version does 99% of it, and yes it was nice, 
but our feedback was give me the bearing and tilt and we can find it.


*LTI-Full_175px*

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*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Cassidy B. Larson
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:13 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I think Gino was developing an augmented reality phone app so you 
could see where the towers were through your phones camera.




On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

That was kind of my reaction, you may be hiring people who are
kind of clueless.

I think our schools aren’t teaching basic stuff anymore.  I get
customers all the time who can’t answer questions like are you
north or south of town, or is your house on east or west side of
the street.

If they are installing an antenna, they need to have eyes on the
tower, choose a mounting location that isn’t shooting through a
tree, etc.  People try to do everything with an app these days. 
Make sure they don’t try to pound in nails using their phone and a
hammer app.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf Of*David Hannum
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:34 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Towercoverage.com <http://towercoverage.com/>is very good.  We
also have our KMZ's on Google Earth. But you know, there isn't
much better than your guys just knowing where the towers are and
where the customer is in relation to them.


Dave

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Just checked it. Yep, you put dots on the map page and select
a dot.  So you can import all the Aps into the map.  You have
to actually select the dot on the map page.

Then when you go to the VR theodolite page, the heading to
that dot shows up on the compass wheel and it tells you if you
need to look left or right.  It doesn’t put the dot visibly in
the field of view but it certainly helps you to put the cross
hairs right on the correct heading.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>]*On Behalf Of*Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:*Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will allow you to import markers that I believe
show up on the VR view.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Paul
McCall
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:43 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will
point him to a tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf Of*Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:*Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Paul
McCall
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Favorite AP for to

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Happy Thanksgiving FCC, 'cuz I know you're listening

[Dave]

How did i miss that episode LOL...


On 11/26/2020 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcxqNEBmNno=IwAR0cpdD9XutIovpP8WM7gvBXflAao-HXm8gZt0VUAVNG0x0Q9zAAxnHj09M 




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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS Google CPI Certificate via Coursera

[Dave]

+1

On 11/13/2020 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I can’t respond directly to your question. But note that you can get 
your certification from a different company that you use as your SAS.  
And if you’re having problems with Google/Coursera, keep in mind 
Google will be your TPA going forward, so there may be ongoing problems.


FWIW, I took Commscope’s online training and exam which was proctored 
by ProctorU.  The training was competently done and the whole process 
didn’t involve a huge investment of time.  We actually use Federated 
as our SAS, mostly because they were the farthest along working with 
Cambium, I don’t think Commscope was even available at the time.  But 
I have no problem recommending Commscope for CPI training and 
certification.


If they refunded your money, you might want to start over with a 
different TPA.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Corcoran
*Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2020 11:34 AM
*To:* AF@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] CBRS Google CPI Certificate via Coursera

According to Coursera, Google's CBRS CPI Certificate (required for 
CBRS operation) remains _unavailable_ since at least early October.




Has anyone successfully taken the Google CPI Certificate exam in the 
last month?



I had completed the training and sat down during my scheduled time 
with ProctorU but the exam would not load properly and I was told 
there is a known issue/technical problem.    After 12 email runarounds 
asking if the issue was fixed, Coursera refunded the coarse.       
Google said the course in only available via Coursera and they have 
been "looking into this" for the last two weeks.


My gut feeling is that Coursera just doesn't have anyone available or 
competent to respond.   Maybe it actually works now,  but I sure hate 
to waste another day only to find out the exam is still broken.


Just curious if anyone else has experienced this?

Matt

Web Developer and Network/RF Engineer



** (Coursera Learner Support)

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Hello Matthew,

Thank you for reaching out to us!

I am deeply sorry to let you know that this issue hasn't been fixed 
and we truly apologize for the hassle you have been experiencing with 
the Quiz of the Course Become a CBRS Certified Professional Installer 
by Google 
 and my 
sincere apologies for the delay that our Engineering team is having on 
fixing the issue as we understand that this is affecting you at your work.


I’ve refunded the one-time payment you made towards this Course. You 
will see your funds returned to your original form of payment in 3-5 
business days, depending on the processing speed of your bank.



Once again, my sincere apologies for this!

If you have any other questions or need further assistance, please 
feel free to let me know.


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Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

[dave]

+1 google

On 11/13/20 10:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Maintenance windows are a concept from “the before times” (B.C., 
before Covid)


Yes I know, carriers still have them.  But I try to do firmware 
updates and stuff at 3am and it’s amazing how much traffic there still 
is.  Hard to tell how much of it is important vs live streaming TV 
left on or game downloads. But there’s no time you can do maintenance 
anymore without pissing people off.


I’m starting to figure if I’m going to piss people off no matter what, 
why try to do hardware upgrades at tower sites in the dark, might as 
well do it in the middle of the day and keep it as short as possible.  
I’m trying to work around the kids doing remote classes, so I avoid 
M-F 8am-3pm. It’s back to long ago when any time outside “business 
hours” was a maintenance window because residential users were just 
checking email and downloading porn anyway.


And I fear as people adopt streaming bundles that include live TV, we 
will see the norm becomes streaming 24x7 because they left the TV on.  
I already had one customer on our lowest speed tier (5x1) whose 
download usage has gone to 1.1 TB per month since May, turns out 
that’s when they cancelled their DirecTV.  To use that much data on 
such a low speed, you pretty much have to be streaming 24x7.  Turns 
out she has tinnitus and can’t sleep without the TV on, and during the 
day her husband watches movies.  I suggested if she’s not even 
watching the TV, why not stream music, but l think she can only sleep 
if Fox News is on.  Personally, cable news would keep me up at night, 
in fact I don’t watch it for that very reason.  It’s all talking heads 
telling me to be angry and afraid.  How does that help you sleep?  But 
I remember an episode of Becker where he couldn’t sleep because his 
old TV was on the fritz, and he’s too cheap to buy a new one, and goes 
to the TV megastore trying to buy a replacement tube.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2020 9:35 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

Something always breaks. I am not sure what carriers you are referring 
to when you say switches shouldn't break. if it has current flowing 
through it, it will break. Even if they are replacing something they 
believe will prevent impending doom, chances are there will be some 
service impact as they do their PM. Which is why everyone has 
maintenance windows.


I am sure it is possible to build a complete network with zero 
points of failure. I am also pretty sure nobody wants to pay for it.


On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 9:23 AM Seth Mattinen > wrote:


On 11/13/20 7:09 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Switches should not be crashing in a carrier environment.


Then why consider multiple carriers? Just single home to one and be
done. No worrying about the complexities of multiple providers if
nothing ever breaks in a carrier environment.

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Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

[dave]

+1


On 11/13/20 7:38 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

I would suggest maybe two 2 gig commits with 10gig ports uncapped.  This will 
allow either provider to go down and with good network design you can use 
multiple routers to prevent a outage of your equipment.  Should be cheaper than 
4 1gig internet connections and better than one 10gig . 



Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

I like the curling analogy.  No perfect load balancing across the Internet.

You can advertise the supernet out of all carriers and also advertise 
individual /24's out of the preferred carrier.  BGP will use the longer subnet 
mask first and fallback to the supernet.  If you have a bunch of non-contiguous 
allocations then obviously that's not an option, but if you have something 
bigger than a /24 then you can do it.

I also would note that if Connection "A" goes down, connection "B", "C", or "D" might need to carry all the 
load and you may not know which way it will come in.  You can test and see what happens in a planned outage, and tweak your settings just so, but I 
don't think you can guarantee that topology upstream from you didn't change at some point between your testing and the eventual unplanned outage.  If 
you need 4Gb, then you might just need two 4Gb pipes to have meaningful redundancy.  Depends what you're willing to live with.  There's a saying that 
"slow is better than down", but IMO the phone blows up either which way so best to avoid either "slow" or "down" 
conditions.

I'll also note that every time I've ordered a 1gig circuit they gave me GigE 
optics.  If you order anything bigger, even if it's 1.1Gig then it'll be a 
10Gig interface by necessity.  An upgrade then is just a phone call, whereas 
the upgrade from 1Gig is a scheduled outage to swap interface cards.


On 11/12/2020 7:15 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Right. Which is not ideal.


On Nov 12, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

There are smarter people than me here on the topic of BGP, but I
believe load balancing via prepends is an inexact science.  It's like
the guy with the broom in curling, you can influence but not dictate the 
outcome.

You'd probably have better control advertising each subnet via just
one of the upstream providers, but then you lose the advantage of redundant 
feeds.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

I have a situation where I can buy several 1 gigabit pipes from
several top tier carriers relatively inexpensively.
Or I can buy one fat pipe from one carrier.

Say I need 4 gigabits of bandwidth and have four 1 gigabit pipes from
4 carriers running BGP, is there a best way to load balance these?
Just AS pre-pend subsets on each carrier so certain subnets prefer one over 
another?
Or is there a better way?
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Re: [AFMUG] Customers contacting technical support

[dave]

This is something we are currently struggling with.
We are responding with please use our support email,visit our website or 
call our office to get a service tech scheduled or a call back for your 
account.



On 11/9/20 8:26 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Our billing system sends out emails telling the customer that they 
successfully paid their bill.  Increasingly, customers are just 
finding the last billing email, and replying to that with service 
problems.  Usually with some vague single line reply like 'I Can't 
watch a movie'  or 'Why is the internet slow'


They don't even bother to change the subject line.  I'm guessing 
Comcast or AT wouldn't respond to requests like this. Should I?  
What are your views on contacting technical support. Ignore them 
unless they go through the proper channels?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT. How's the weather?

[dave]

Too early for my time zone LOL :)
nice frontal boundary :)


On 11/8/20 7:59 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Enjoy



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Re: [AFMUG] POTS for "life safety" - MFVN

[dave]

Talk to Daniel at Atheral he may be able to answer your question


On 10/27/20 7:57 AM, Brough Turner wrote:


Is there a way to "white label" Managed Facilites-based Voice Network 
(MFVN) services?  I recognize MFVN service requires the softswitch and 
gateway be in the network (our network), but that would be ok if we 
could out-source configuration and operation to someone else and, for 
this service, be a subcontractor to that service provider.


We provide high speed Internet connections, nothing else.  Customers 
who want other services like VoIP, are referred to 3rd parties.  But 
we have a few prospective customers whose fire alarm / security 
systems require a POTS analog telephone line or an MFVN equivalent, as 
the NFPA accepts MFVN services as adequate "for fire and life safety 
signaling between a protected premises and a central monitoring 
station."  The phone service provided by the major cable companies 
qualifies as an MFVN service and we compete against Comcast for 
business customers in the greater Boston area.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_facilities-based_voice_network#/media/File:MFVN_Diagram.PNG

Thanks,
Brough

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Re: [AFMUG] SIP trunk providers at IXes?

[dave]

Proper... DOH wuts dat?
LOL
On 10/22/20 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Far too many networks have no concept of proper networking.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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*From: *"Seth Mattinen" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Thursday, October 22, 2020 11:40:29 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] SIP trunk providers at IXes?

I thought this would be easier to find information, but apparently it's
not... are there any SIP trunk providers that participate in peering at
exchanges? All I've been able to find so far is Twilio Interconnect
(after filling out a form). Most of what I can find just seems to be
handwaving it as the magic of the cloud, with occasional boasts about
peering with the big guys.

~Seth

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Auto Provisioning

[Dave]

We use cnmaestro with cambiums router rxxx series routers.

Looking into the auto provision for this since it has a configuration 
for tr-069



On 10/23/2020 6:34 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:

Question for anyone using Mikrotik routers in customers' homes:

Anyone doing any kind of zero-touch provisioning with them? If so, 
what method? Unimus? Minim? Something home grown?
Are you doing a NetInstall with an included configuration so they have 
some kind of baseline config after a default? Just disabling the reset 
button?
How are you managing them after they're installed, Dude? Something 
TR-069? Something SNMP?



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Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[dave]

I use something very similar for that on our Cloud servers


On 10/21/20 8:34 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
/storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/boot%' AND 
storage.storage_perc_warn > 75 AND devices.type = "Server" AND 
storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/swap%' AND devices.os NOT LIKE 
'%Powercode BMU%' AND devices.os NOT LIKE '%Procera Networks%' AND 
storage.storage_descr NOT LIKE '%/rom%' AND devices.hardware NOT LIKE 
'%PMP%' AND devices.hardware NOT LIKE '%ePMP%'/

/
/
^^ Example there is a way of warning about disk space that takes into 
account devices that should not be taken into account, like swap etc.  
You could specify linux servers only and or other hardware too.  
 Depends how you want to go about it.  Ruling out or specifying 
individual types.



This one here lets me know if one of our guys changes channels on a 
device.


/wireless_sensors.sensor_class = "frequency" AND 
wireless_sensors.sensor_current != wireless_sensors.sensor_prev/

/
/
Its extremely flexible.  Basically anything SNMP based can be 
monitored and alerted if you know the OID and how to group and specify 
them.


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*From: *"Sam Lambie" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 20, 2020 4:31:31 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core 
network.


Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction 
to get alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's 
to alert me when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways 
to determine whether a device is up or down.

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Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[dave]

Sam,
Most of that is done in the rules for what you want to detect as up or 
down ICMP or SNMP
Mine sends me texts and does a weekly report on performance I select to 
report on.

Love it :)
Dave


On 10/20/20 3:31 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction 
to get alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's 
to alert me when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways 
to determine whether a device is up or down.


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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

[dave]

HOLY SNIKEYS!

On good big truck at 50MPH would end that crap LOL :)


On 10/15/20 9:00 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


If they would let anybody just string up or bury anything anywhere 
they wanted to, then it would be done.  But you can't because it'll 
look like this.  Even if you took away all the rules and property 
rights barriers you have another problem in labor availability.  NY 
State tried dumping craploads of money into broadband and pounding 
their fist on the table wondering why it wasn't all getting built.  
Turns out the market only supplies so many linesmen & field 
engineers.  There are enough of them to meet demand in the current 
market, and dumping money into the demand side doesn't automatically 
make more of them available.  The union electricians who do the aerial 
make-ready are getting paid double time to lure them away from other 
projects across the Northeast.and last I knew there still weren't 
enough.


Electric Pole With Messy Wire That Look Dangerous Stock Photo, Picture 
And Royalty Free Image. Image 28858353.




On 10/15/2020 8:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The fiber gods are slower than I expected, at least the last mile fiber gods.  
Meanwhile, cable companies won a bunch of PALs in our semi-rural area, I expect 
everywhere.  What's that all about?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:07 AM
To:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

It doesnt matter about any of it because the fiber gods will soon take over.

waiting on the light beams from space

On 10/14/2020 1:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

or it's OK to shoot 10,000 long guns in random directions.

bp


On 10/14/2020 10:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This rule seems based on the idea that radio interference doesn't
matter if it's not 100% of the time. Like I can shoot you with a
rifle as long as sometimes I point it at other people.  I feel like
the FCC doesn't understand that broadband isn't a hobby or best
effort service, people expect it to work reliably not intermittently.

I get the same feeling about other decisions.  Like their love of
shared spectrum.  Or allowing FHSS to hop all over the band randomly
clobbering other users but using high power spectral density, on the
assumption that it's equivalent to the lower psd that you would
calculate by spreading the same power over a much wider piece of
spectrum.  Again, I'm allowed to shoot at you with a long gun, and
you shouldn't mind because most of the time I'm shooting at other
people, so you're only dead part of the time.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 12:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

I think it made it to 5 GHz too because SkyPilot had radios that ran
under PTP rules.

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

Well, it is more like a PtP to the client.

Anybody ever had hands on a GO AP?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:22 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

The infamous "Vivato Rule".
http://www.vivato.com/pdfs/Vivato_Technical_White_Paper.pdf

Some would say the FCC was asleep at the wheel when they allowed
this.  It is apparently for 2.4 GHz only.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

There's a couple of things to break down here.  One is that there are
2 major kinds of beamforming - analog and digital. The ones you
mention (and I'll add Go Networks to the list) were using analog
beamforming.  These are antenna arrays that can be phased together to
make a stronger beam and is steerable.  The chip-based beamforming in
the WiFi standard is a bit different and you don't get this sort of
powerful beam out of it.  That kind of digital beamforming is more
useful for nulls mu-mimo isolation that would be useful in an indoor
wifi environment.

I'm not too familiar with the cnmedusa design, but I get the
impression it is more of an array of fixed sectors that have
physically different coverage areas that are connected to different
radio chains.  So that is yet another sort of variation.

One thing that made the analog beamforming systems achieve better
coverage was that the FCC allowed (maybe they still do?) higher EIRP
from this specific type of system.  So it had physically more power
and punch to it.

I am personally not aware of any comp

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

[Dave]

It doesnt matter about any of it because the fiber gods will soon take 
over.


waiting on the light beams from space

On 10/14/2020 1:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

or it's OK to shoot 10,000 long guns in random directions.

bp


On 10/14/2020 10:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This rule seems based on the idea that radio interference doesn't 
matter if it's not 100% of the time. Like I can shoot you with a 
rifle as long as sometimes I point it at other people.  I feel like 
the FCC doesn't understand that broadband isn't a hobby or best 
effort service, people expect it to work reliably not intermittently.


I get the same feeling about other decisions.  Like their love of 
shared spectrum.  Or allowing FHSS to hop all over the band randomly 
clobbering other users but using high power spectral density, on the 
assumption that it's equivalent to the lower psd that you would 
calculate by spreading the same power over a much wider piece of 
spectrum.  Again, I'm allowed to shoot at you with a long gun, and 
you shouldn't mind because most of the time I'm shooting at other 
people, so you're only dead part of the time.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 12:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

I think it made it to 5 GHz too because SkyPilot had radios that ran 
under PTP rules.


Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:33 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

Well, it is more like a PtP to the client.

Anybody ever had hands on a GO AP?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:22 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

The infamous "Vivato Rule".
http://www.vivato.com/pdfs/Vivato_Technical_White_Paper.pdf

Some would say the FCC was asleep at the wheel when they allowed 
this.  It is apparently for 2.4 GHz only.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

There's a couple of things to break down here.  One is that there are 
2 major kinds of beamforming - analog and digital. The ones you 
mention (and I'll add Go Networks to the list) were using analog 
beamforming.  These are antenna arrays that can be phased together to 
make a stronger beam and is steerable.  The chip-based beamforming in 
the WiFi standard is a bit different and you don't get this sort of 
powerful beam out of it.  That kind of digital beamforming is more 
useful for nulls mu-mimo isolation that would be useful in an indoor 
wifi environment.


I'm not too familiar with the cnmedusa design, but I get the 
impression it is more of an array of fixed sectors that have 
physically different coverage areas that are connected to different 
radio chains.  So that is yet another sort of variation.


One thing that made the analog beamforming systems achieve better 
coverage was that the FCC allowed (maybe they still do?) higher EIRP 
from this specific type of system.  So it had physically more power 
and punch to it.


I am personally not aware of any companies actively developing analog 
beamforming systems like those older ones.  It gets significantly 
more difficult for those designs to support the sort of advanced macs 
that came after 11n - 11ax supports MU-MIMO and OFDMA for example 
which would be challenging to support with an analog beamformer.



On 10/13/20, 3:42 PM, "AF on behalf of Jeremy Grip" 
 wrote:


 A few years ago, when the electrical utility trashed the 900 
spectrum with “smart” meters, I did a forklift upgrade of a bunch of 
900 PtMP with some old Wavion beamforming sectors talking to ubnt 
clients in 2.4. I was surprised that I got just about the same 
coverage that I had with 900 (Trango) and of course better 
throughput. Those original Wavions were b/g; I’ve since found a 
couple of .11n versions from the brief last gasp of Alvarion (R.I.P.) 
that did even better. Anybody know if anybody’s currently producing a 
beamforming 2.4 sector that will talk to standards compliant 11n radios?


 I’m assuming that the beamforming saved this location—one tower 
plus a couple of other little nodes in a little spread out village in 
the middle of a dense National Forest of mixed tall evergreens and 
hardwood. I just don’t see how 2.4 could match the old 900 
penetration otherwise, but maybe somebody can enlighten me. It 
wouldn’t be worth it to try and change out all the clients--more than 
a few are 50’+ up in trees. If there was an ePMP medusa in 2.4 and 
that sex-change 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Retro Garbage

[dave]

Yes, Technology changes everything
Starlink is the new shiny answer to all broadband gaps LOL:)


On 10/9/20 1:57 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Saw an exploded VHS tape on the side of the road today, with the tape 
spooled through the weeds for 20 yards.  I can't remember when the 
wast time was I saw one of those.  I feel like back in the 90's you'd 
see that all the time.  Between Audio tapes and VHS Tapes.




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Re: [AFMUG] POE Site Survey Battery Options

[dave]

OK, I got this...
 A 200Ah battery in a backpack with solar cell on the pack,couple 
jumper cables, retractable cat5 cable to radio and chest mounted tablet.

Oh and its all hands free :)
Make sure you hire the young ones to carry the back pack..


On 10/5/20 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

LinkTechs Powerlink.

Tried the rest.  Made a bunch of homemade ones.  It's just not worth 
the effort and they've all got their problems.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 10:29 AM Matt > wrote:


What is everyone using to power up an SM for site surveys nowadays?

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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

BBDG6 at the moment.
Dont see a real need for 6e yet


On 10/1/20 10:13 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

Do you use the BBDG6 or BBDG6e

On 10/1/2020 10:09 AM, dave wrote:

We use ptp650 and ptp670.
450i
PMP450 did not have a metal grommet it was plastic so the ground kit 
was the only way to get energy pulled off cable.

The ground screw was the only thing to ground the radio.

I have not looked back since using the CAT6 bbdge cable with the 
ground kits



On 10/1/20 9:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
So do you use the PTP600/650 LPU, or do you use the grommet right in 
the bottom of the 450 radio?  Original 450, or 450i?


How do you ground it at the base of the tower?

On 10/1/2020 9:42 AM, dave wrote:
BBDGE is the best way to go and to answer your question about 
ground kits is yes absolutely..
As far as termination that way its done today is to prep cable so 
that about a .5" of armor is exposed and rj45
sits about .25" from armor. This is because if using a steel 
grommet that the grounding cleets will snug down on the

armor that was exposed near the head.

if u can find a user manual for cambiums LPUs it has an excellent 
picture of one.


This has been our standard since the first pmp450 arrived.


On 9/30/20 10:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I 
have an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the 
shielded RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back 
when it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units. I remember it 
being a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 
14.7mhz and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our 
cables that pass through their array. They want to run at 5-6kw, 
and we start having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are 
hoping that if we change to the BBDGE cable with lots of 
Grounding, it will fix the problems.  Already have Coils at the 
top and bottom on Beldon7919 cable.  That got us from 400w failure 
to 2kw failure.




















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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

Thats it...
Cambium has it in their parts  db now
I did not think I would like them but so far so good.


On 10/1/20 12:10 PM, Daniel White wrote:

Sounds like this:

https://www.sitepro1.com/reader/web/viewer.php?link=../../resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/GKCAT5.pdf

I used something more along the lines of this in the past (although it 
was for just 1/2" cable not "universal")


https://www.sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UGT5.pdf

photograph  
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direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


dave <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
October 1, 2020 at 09:05
Cambium has a kit that seemed at first a little intimidating at first 
but now we use them all the time with no water intrusion.

Here is that part number
N82L173

It looks like a little braided loop strap but it gets strapped to the 
half inch exposed armor and sealed with butel and fat tape.

looks good when done right.


On 9/30/20 4:49 PM, Daniel White wrote:



Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>
September 30, 2020 at 15:49
To answer one part... yes you can put grounding kits mid-span on the 
cable.  Had to do that a few times.  I think we used the standard 
LMR-400 kits.


Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>
September 30, 2020 at 09:44
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.









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Re: [AFMUG] HEAT Map

[Dave]

I have used a neat app called Ekahu.. It seems simple enough for what U want

and I believe its free to download


On 10/1/2020 10:44 AM, Rex-List Account wrote:


I have been asked to help solve a WIFI coverage issue for the local

nursing home. They are wanting a HEAT Map generated. I have never

done this. Any pointers to get me started?

Thanks in advance.

Rex


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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

We use ptp650 and ptp670.
450i
PMP450 did not have a metal grommet it was plastic so the ground kit was 
the only way to get energy pulled off cable.

The ground screw was the only thing to ground the radio.

I have not looked back since using the CAT6 bbdge cable with the ground kits


On 10/1/20 9:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
So do you use the PTP600/650 LPU, or do you use the grommet right in 
the bottom of the 450 radio?  Original 450, or 450i?


How do you ground it at the base of the tower?

On 10/1/2020 9:42 AM, dave wrote:
BBDGE is the best way to go and to answer your question about ground 
kits is yes absolutely..
As far as termination that way its done today is to prep cable so 
that about a .5" of armor is exposed and rj45
sits about .25" from armor. This is because if using a steel grommet 
that the grounding cleets will snug down on the

armor that was exposed near the head.

if u can find a user manual for cambiums LPUs it has an excellent 
picture of one.


This has been our standard since the first pmp450 arrived.


On 9/30/20 10:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw. They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.













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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

Cambium has a kit that seemed at first a little intimidating at first 
but now we use them all the time with no water intrusion.

Here is that part number
N82L173

It looks like a little braided loop strap but it gets strapped to the 
half inch exposed armor and sealed with butel and fat tape.

looks good when done right.



On 9/30/20 4:49 PM, Daniel White wrote:
To answer one part... yes you can put grounding kits mid-span on the 
cable. Had to do that a few times.  I think we used the standard 
LMR-400 kits.


photograph  
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Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Nate Burke 
September 30, 2020 at 09:44
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.









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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

Bill,
 Get CAT6 BBDGE so you can use the passthru connectors. We started 
using it last year and love it.


On 9/30/20 11:23 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I've found armored cable virtually impossible to do a quality 
termination on. I've wondered if it would be better to terminate them 
"close" to the endpoint with a small punch block inside an enclosure, 
then finish the job with something a bit easier to do a decent RJ45 
termination on?


Something  like this: 
https://www.zoro.com/hubbell-premise-wiring-wiring-block-6-pair-6-x-6-block-size-hpw66b36/i/G1448291/feature-product?utm_source=google_medium=surfaces_campaign=shopping%20feed_content=free%20google%20shopping%20clicks


bp


On 9/30/2020 8:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have 
an application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded 
RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being 
a pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.








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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding

[dave]

BBDGE is the best way to go and to answer your question about ground 
kits is yes absolutely..
As far as termination that way its done today is to prep cable so that 
about a .5" of armor is exposed and rj45
sits about .25" from armor. This is because if using a steel grommet 
that the grounding cleets will snug down on the

armor that was exposed near the head.

if u can find a user manual for cambiums LPUs it has an excellent 
picture of one.


This has been our standard since the first pmp450 arrived.


On 9/30/20 10:44 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable?  I have an 
application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45.


Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span 
grounding?  Will Coax cable kits work on it?


It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when 
it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units.  I remember it being a 
pain to field terminate.


One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz 
and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that 
pass through their array.  They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start 
having problems when they go over 2kw.  They are hoping that if we 
change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the 
problems.  Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 
cable.  That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure.






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Re: [AFMUG] speed tests and TCP/IP overhead

[dave]

exactly +1
 Also, it will compensate for the loss in some off the shelf routers 
when navigating the poorly written firewalls.



On 9/29/20 9:40 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
On a 25 Mbps plan for example, we provision the speed bucket to 28 
Mbps flat. We use Preseem for the rate limiting. Generally on a 
speedtest, we see 26-27 Mbps on tests when provisioned for 28 Mbps on 
a 25 Mbps plan. If you provisioned to 26 Mbps, you would probably see 
exactly 25 Mbps.


I think it's great to overprovision to keep customers happy. The 
difference is negligible when you bump it 1-3 Mbps over the rate plan 
just to help the speedtest get at least what they pay for. It's easier 
than arguing with the customer.


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:29 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Two part question:

1) If you set a speed limit, like 10 Mbps, using Preseem or
Mikrotik queue or something similar, what do you expect to see at
a speedtest site like speedtest.net ?  I’m
thinking something like 9.5 Mbps.  I’m assuming the bandwidth
manager is looking at line rate but the speed test looks at payload.

2)  Do you “gross up” your speed limits so that the customer will
see 100% of the advertised speed when they run a speedtest?  If
so, by how much?  Or do you assume any reasonable person when they
see 9.5 Mbps but are paying for 10 will say “close enough”?  I
seem to remember that back when we were doing lineshared DSL,
Verizon grossed up the modem line rates, but AT didn’t.

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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[dave]

I have not messed with the agent for the dells but Ill give it a look. 
Is it a bios Installed application?



On 9/28/20 1:40 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
You can easily alert on failed disks in the PERC controllers.  You 
just need to install Dell's OpenManage agent which makes these 
notifications possible via integrated interfaces or SNMP, etc.


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:38 PM dave <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


The only thing I hate On a host is the Percs I wish Dell would
alert or something to notify of a failing drive.


On 9/28/20 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a
high level.



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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 8:05:35 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and
combines them into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated,
shared storage box.



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*From: *"Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
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*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast
shared storage is very helpful.  When you want to reboot a
physical machine for OS upgrade and the VM's are on shared
storage then you can migrate them off that box in a few
seconds.   Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back. 
No downtime.

On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches.
I'll look into it. If anyone really knows the space and
wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing what we need
I would appreciate it.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you
need to do. As it happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS)
are not particularly compute intensive, so it's a
great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3
or 4 virtual machines on each physical machine.

We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many
of the paid-for bells and whistles. VMware can become
pretty expensive, where other solutions (e.g.
Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source.

The other consideration is containers, which can be
thought of as VM-lite. Containers provide almost all
of the advantages of VMs with a significantly lighter
load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up
more applications on less hardware. The leading
contender in the container space is Kubernetes and
it's also open source.

Pick your poison wit

Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[dave]

Nice..
Ill have to give a spin on new host I got in a few days ago.


On 9/28/20 1:35 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
GUI.. not bad looking either.. at least the old one I ran from years 
ago.  I think it has some vmotion style things going on too now.


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*From: *"dave" 
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I have never tried proxmox...
 What kind of hypervisor interface does it have?


On 9/27/20 9:39 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Proxmox for sure. I've used Proxmox for 10+ years and VMWare for
probably 8 years. I'm phasing out VMWare in favor of Proxmox.



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*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
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*Sent: *Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:27:22 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Virtual machines

I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only
15 years behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling
reason.

I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's,
backups, snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not
as big a priority for me (at least I don't think so).

Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced
crowd.

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there
others? Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for?
What I will run is important for sure.

I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I
started.



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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[dave]

The only thing I hate On a host is the Percs I wish Dell would alert or 
something to notify of a failing drive.



On 9/28/20 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a high level.



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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 8:05:35 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and 
combines them into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster?


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett > wrote:


CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated,
shared storage box.



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*From: *"Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast
shared storage is very helpful. When you want to reboot a physical
machine for OS upgrade and the VM's are on shared storage then you
can migrate them off that box in a few seconds.   Do your
maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back.  No downtime.

On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll
look into it. If anyone really knows the space and wouldn't
mind spending 15 minutes discussing what we need I would
appreciate it.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need
to do. As it happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not
particularly compute intensive, so it's a great way to
stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual
machines on each physical machine.

We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of
the paid-for bells and whistles. VMware can become pretty
expensive, where other solutions (e.g. Proxmox) has an
advantage because of open source.

The other consideration is containers, which can be
thought of as VM-lite. Containers provide almost all of
the advantages of VMs with a significantly lighter load on
the hardware. As a result, you can load up more
applications on less hardware. The leading contender in
the container space is Kubernetes and it's also open source.

Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over
your requirements.


bp


On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I
know, I am only 15 years behind. Honestly, till now I
haven't had a compelling reason.

I want something that will at least do some monitoring
of VM's, backups, snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading
would be great but not as big a priority for me (at
least I don't think so).

Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the
experienced crowd.

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are
there others? Commercial support seems nice, is it
worth paying for? What I will run is important for sure.

I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now
than 

Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[dave]

I have never tried proxmox...
 What kind of hypervisor interface does it have?


On 9/27/20 9:39 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Proxmox for sure. I've used Proxmox for 10+ years and VMWare for 
probably 8 years. I'm phasing out VMWare in favor of Proxmox.




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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:27:22 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Virtual machines

I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 
years behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason.


I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, 
backups, snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as 
big a priority for me (at least I don't think so).


Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd.

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others? 
Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run 
is important for sure.


I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I 
started.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

[dave]

That site triggered some site guards that firefox has LOL


On 9/24/20 7:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Did you read the story about the village in Wales: 
https://www.cnet.com/news/an-old-tv-crashed-entire-towns-broadband-every-day-for-more-than-a-year/




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Re: [AFMUG] servers

[Dave]

you could do like I did with our first VM host with several vms mirror 
it on a  blade server. I can take down a drive so long as I have blade 
up server keeps going while we do maint on host.


very kewl stuff


On 9/26/2020 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Thanks everyone.
*From:* Steven Kenney
*Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:22 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] servers
You can get used off lease servers for pennies on the dollar.  You can 
get a 2 socket 12 core 24 thread Xeon machine with 128 Gb of ram and 
SAS drives for under $800 CDN.  All from NOC environments so if you 
put them back into a good environment they will run for years.
Don't bother with blades.  You won't need that until you get really 
big.   Go Dell, HP or Supermicro.  I've used them all for many years.  
They are built well and last long.  Supermicro is the cheapest by far 
but surprisingly well built and supported.

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*From: *"chuck" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Friday, September 25, 2020 9:08:50 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] servers
I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long time.
Thinking blade servers.
Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP. Other things an ISP uses.
Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc. I realize VM and Hyper 
V, all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.

But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.

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Re: [AFMUG] servers

[Dave]

I still like the super micros for heavy lifting like email but 
everything else go into a VM.


Dell we use for Our VMhosts. I did recently install an HP for preseem 
and love it got a 10G transparent bridge moving thru it.



On 9/26/2020 7:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Anything DC is going to severely limit your choices. You need almost 
nothing for DNS and DHCP but email...useful email takes a decent 
machine nowadays for all the spam checking and header checks. I gave 
up doing email ages ago and went to gmail. Best decision I ever made. 
No need to spark a war, just a sideline comment.


As for reliability, Either Dell or HP I think are the best. Haven't 
done Dell in a while but when I did I was happy with them.  They both 
make blade servers. I have been researching blade servers recently for 
a new project. HP has an 8 slot C3000 and a 16 slot C7000. Dell has 
the M1000e. The HP has a storage blade that holds 16 drives and can 
serve as DAS, ISCSI, fiber channel and about any other disk access you 
like. I think you can put 8 of those in. They both have chassis 
management so you can manage the blades from a central admin console 
on a hardware level. Dell is more tightly integrated with VMWare than 
HP from what I could tell but I don't know what that integration buys you.


Both are available on the refurb market.
This next bit may be incorrect but I don't think so from what I could 
tell:
No matter if you buy refurb or brand new blades appear to come out a 
generation behind their rack mounted brothers. For instance in HP I 
think the latest you can get in a blade is a Gen9 server while current 
rack units and desktop servers are at Gen 10. Gen 10 has a better iLO5 
(Integrated Lights Out) than Gen 8 and 9 iLO4. I don't believe you can 
upgrade that iLO separately as it is built into the MB. Dell used to 
have their DRAC which does the same thing and it plugged into a 
special slot so was independant of the MB and could be upgraded but I 
don't know what they have now. I assume HP moved to the on MB way to 
save money so I am assuming they have both moved that way.


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:09 PM > wrote:


I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long
time.
Thinking blade servers.
Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP
uses.
Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and
Hyper V, all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - only in Chicago

[dave]

YEP +1
Sorry  for his bad luck.. of course he could of been on some liberated 
journey :)



On 9/22/20 2:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
It was an interstate.  You cannot legally walk on an interstate.  He 
was an idiot.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 1:06 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - only in Chicago
This one irritates me. I dont think impeding traffic is acceptable at 
all, but they put the hammer to this guy with a ton of charges for a 
slow roll on a horse for kids lives matter.
But they dont charge these nimrods that block traffic over a criminal 
getting a comeuppance.
Nobody should get a free pass, but horse guy didnt threaten anybody, 
didnt spit on on harass anybody, destroyed zero property and never 
stopped traffic (though slowed it) and picked up lik 5 charges. They 
even charged the guy he was handing his horse off to.

Mayor fishface even disparaged the guy
He should have lit a building on fire and looted something, then maybe 
the kids well being would matter

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 1:14 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Heard this on the radio traffic report yesterday afternoon, man
riding horse on Dan Ryan Expressway.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/injured-horse-being-treated-after-census-cowboy-rode-it-on-dan-ryan-expressway/ar-BB19jprX

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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

[dave]

K..
 Possibly, Drop one of the option 82 on the Closest Ap to the server. 
Check the firewall settings int he 1K devices to be sure nothing is 
being dropped.
Sounds like a broadcast isolation issue or some kind of security measure 
turned on by default.. We used to run in to this with the 1k devices and 
found allowing
dhcp below sm seemed to correct the issue. I dont remember if it said 
dhcp server or just dhcp below sm.




On 9/21/20 9:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

That is the correct layout.

Wouldn't enabling DHCP Below sub just be if there was a DHCP Server on 
the 1K system?  DHCP Works, it just randomly stops working, and 
rebooting the EPMP1k AP brings it back.


I saw this one other time when I tried to enable Option 82 on an FSK 
AP.  Same things happened, Client router would not get a DHCP Lease.  
I never did more troubleshooting of it then, just turned off Option82 
in the AP.  I'm guessing something strange is happening because 2 
devices are trying to write Option82 into the same request?


On 9/21/2020 7:57 AM, dave wrote:
So to understand what you have is a 
3kAP-->300sub--Switch--1KAP--->1kSub correct?


If this is correct then try this..

Ensure that you have allow Dhcp below sub on the 300 to allow those 
responses to relay to 3kAP



On 9/20/20 11:39 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

I'm running into a strange issue that's being difficult to replicate.

EPMP 3k AP W/option82 -> EPMP 300 SM -> Switch

Local Customer and EPMP1000 radio plug into this switch

EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS w/Option82)  -> EPMP1000 2.4SM

I'm using Option 82 so that Sonar can Tie the Public IP Address to 
the MAC of equipment on the customer account.


The Local customer off the switch runs just fine, Option 82 records 
the EPMP300 SM MAC, it has had no problems.


But the Customer behind the EPMP1000 radio randomly loses the 
ability to get a DHCP Lease.  The Mikrotik DHCP Server Log just 
reports 'Offered DHCP Lease without success'.   When it does work, 
Option82 shows the MAC of the EPMP1000 SM Like it's supposed to. 
DHCP Lease time is set to 3 hours.  At some point between 3-24 
hours, the customers router will lose its lease and won't be able to 
renew it.  The only way to get it working again is to reboot the 
EPMP1000 AP.  Rebooting the EPMP300 SM or the EPMP1000 SM does not 
fix it.  And it doesn't happen at every lease renewal, yesterday it 
ran for 16 hours before suddenly losing it's lease.


I have just disabled option 82 in the EPMP1000 AP and I'm guessing 
that will fix the customer, but I lose the ability to automatically 
track them in Sonar.  I've tried Firmware 4.4.3 and 4.5.5 on the 
EPMP1000, it's had the issue on both of them.  Anybody run into 
something like this before?












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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

[dave]

So to understand what you have is a 3kAP-->300sub--Switch--1KAP--->1kSub 
correct?


If this is correct then try this..

Ensure that you have allow Dhcp below sub on the 300 to allow those 
responses to relay to 3kAP



On 9/20/20 11:39 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

I'm running into a strange issue that's being difficult to replicate.

EPMP 3k AP W/option82 -> EPMP 300 SM -> Switch

Local Customer and EPMP1000 radio plug into this switch

EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS w/Option82)  -> EPMP1000 2.4SM

I'm using Option 82 so that Sonar can Tie the Public IP Address to the 
MAC of equipment on the customer account.


The Local customer off the switch runs just fine, Option 82 records 
the EPMP300 SM MAC, it has had no problems.


But the Customer behind the EPMP1000 radio randomly loses the ability 
to get a DHCP Lease.  The Mikrotik DHCP Server Log just reports 
'Offered DHCP Lease without success'.   When it does work, Option82 
shows the MAC of the EPMP1000 SM Like it's supposed to. DHCP Lease 
time is set to 3 hours.  At some point between 3-24 hours, the 
customers router will lose its lease and won't be able to renew it.  
The only way to get it working again is to reboot the EPMP1000 AP.  
Rebooting the EPMP300 SM or the EPMP1000 SM does not fix it.  And it 
doesn't happen at every lease renewal, yesterday it ran for 16 hours 
before suddenly losing it's lease.


I have just disabled option 82 in the EPMP1000 AP and I'm guessing 
that will fix the customer, but I lose the ability to automatically 
track them in Sonar.  I've tried Firmware 4.4.3 and 4.5.5 on the 
EPMP1000, it's had the issue on both of them. Anybody run into 
something like this before?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

[dave]

Hey
I resemble that remark LOL!


On 9/8/20 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

50?! Holy cow, that's old!




;-)



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*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *"AFMUG" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:16:09 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?


A birdie told me that today is Jay Fuller's 50th birthday. The birdie is
just a birdie, so don't blame me if I'm wrong.



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Re: [AFMUG] Surge cards, what should I expect?

[dave]

Josh,
 Call me around 11 CST if you can..
Thanks


On 8/31/20 8:27 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I've regularly used the 444 cards.  Pretty much exclusively for years 
we've been using the GIGE-APC-HV.


On a tower with 9 devices, I lost 8 of them.  We've had 0 problems on 
this tower since adding the surge cards almost 6 years ago.  A mix of 
Ubnt/Cambium.  The one device that survived was a Powerbridge (the 
shitty panel) with one of the old surge cards that has an LED on it 
indicating power.  All 8 other devices needed to be replaced on the tower.


What should I expect the surge cards to do?  I keep reading that the 
card should sacrifice itself so we can just replace the card on the 
ground instead of the radio on the tower - better for a 1 person fix, 
way cheaper, ground instead of tower, faster, etc.  The tower owner is 
a big Motorola R56 guy and gave us the thumbs up with how we did the 
grounding.


Did I just get screwed hard for some reason?  An employee of the tower 
owner came out and had to fix some of their gear for their two way 
Motorola radio stuff, too, so maybe it was just a really shitty day.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

[Dave]

Just Say no to internet or should I say Netflix LOL!

We  have seen a trend where customers check their internet based on if 
their TV works well LOL



On 8/27/2020 3:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


BTW we never use a headset, we use those little amplified speaker 
pucks that you charge with a USB charger.  Drives customer dogs crazy, 
but sometimes useful to demonstrate an issue to customer down on the 
ground.  Like yes, their tall tree swaying in the wind is the 
problem.  Or see how I shift my weight and your TV tower tilts and it 
affects the signal.  Or listen to the tone change with the wind 
turbine blades turning.  Oh wow, the tech isn’t feeding me a line of B.S.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I'll find out tomorrow. I just made a cable without resistors. I can't 
hear shit in the high frequency tones and wear hearing aids, so this 
will be a good test.


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:11 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


The resistors change the frequency of the tone. In fact, some
people may prefer the tone without any resistors at all… and
sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) the tone frequency changes with
updates to the software revision.

The team does test this feature, but I can’t say that I have first
hand experience using it with a cable with that specific value
resistor… so couldn’t tell you what it sounds like on the
currently released version of software.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:58 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I bought one 450i SM by mistake once, I somehow thought the 3 GHz
SM with the integral panel was discontinued when the 450b came
out.  And I built one of those stupid cables, including the 220
ohm resistors (which I suspect aren’t really needed).  Have you
tried to buy resistors lately?  No more Radio Shacks, Frys doesn’t
carry components anymore, I found some in the discontinued items
bin at MicroCenter.

Bottom line, when I realized I would also need a 48V POE, I put
that SM on the shelf where it still sits today. I’m not sure why
you’d want one.  On top of everything else, it’s very expensive. 
I think its claim to fame is the dynamically tuned front end
filter, which I guess would help if you had extremely high
adjacent channel interference.

I should really put it on eBay or something.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis
via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Audio tune 450i SMs?

Sam – Please see this forum post…

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-sm-alignment-tones/54898



Matt

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:27 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Audio tune 450i SMs?

I just installed my 1st 450i sm and am stumped on how to tune with
an audio speaker like the old 450 and 450bs.

What am I missing?

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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[dave]

Throw that shit in the garbage and get a Roku or something similar
Fire sticks cause so much in home wifi issues..  the remote lands on the 
same channel as any wifi in the house and

utterly destroys and disrupts service to other devices.
Its a real piece of work.



On 8/25/20 10:52 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
Buffering.  I think there is a little clock on the screen that spins 
when it's buffering.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that
mean?  Do they mean rebuffering?

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Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

[Dave]

Fight the Dying of the light .. Dont go out without a fight..

All I gotta say is they may take away our spectrum and slap us with more 
reporting and more fees but Bring dat shiz


We got this.. All said and done who can outlast the brute fist of the 
Gorilla.


Ill get off my soap box now ... you cant stop the tanker in me LOL!


On 8/23/2020 11:17 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

I have a couple theories about the selling market:

1.  There’s never been more cash floating around our industry.  It 
provides options.  There is also a good chance that smaller WISPs are 
about to be over built with government money...another strong 
inducement to make your best deal.


2.  As an industry, we are about 20 years old.  If you started the 
business in your 40s or 50s, you might be easy to retire.  If you 
started it younger, you might be ready to cash out and go do something 
else.


Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



I seem to remember this thread started with a post about buying, but 
there seems to be a lot of interest in selling.  I wonder why.


Is it because customers are getting on our nerves?  I know they’re 
getting on mine. Everyone is stuck in their house doing everything on 
the Internet and whining about it and waiting until the last minute 
and then needing stuff right now this minute because we’re 
streaming/gaming/Zooming/eLearning/teleworking here. Plus doing 
construction on our house and the contractors are here right now 
taking your dish off the roof or putting siding nails through your 
cable.  Or they’re buying/selling houses because interest rates are 
like zero or to move away from the virus or to a different school 
district.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:05 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

I know it *CAN* be anything.

I'm asking what it is for successful, arms-length, nothing special 
transactions. I do expect there to be a range.




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >

*Sent: *Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:28:58 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

That can be anything.  There is no connection between revenue and 
earnings.  You can have $2M in revenue  but -$5M in income if you 
burned cash to generate sales.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 22, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:



Right, but what I'm asking is that if 5x EDIBTA = Y, then what
was Y / annual revenue?



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Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:01:44 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

Whatever 5x your earnings are.  Not sales or revenue or gross
profit but bottom line earnings on your income statement/ pl.
Your taxable income.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 22, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:



What does the revenue multiplier end up being, though?

5x EBIDTA / revenue gets you what, in purchases that have
been made?



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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd data connection

[dave]

Ive done alot with Modbus on arduino products interfacing with anything 
that speaks modbus.

I have a server I que or add each thing I want to monitor or review.
Temps, Humidity power levels or presence of are the main ones.



On 8/19/20 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
On one of my large portable air compressors, there is a data port.  
They sell an adapter cable for about $200  It adapts it to USB.  The 
program that you use to talk to it makes reference to modbus.

The data port has 4 pins.  RJ-10 4p4c connector.
+5 with enough current to light an incandescent light bulb.
+5 low current
+5 low current
Ground
This sounds like USB host to me.  One of my sons think it is RS-485
I don’t think USB would be happy on a RJ-10 and utp wire.  Maybe it 
would.  Maybe I am just buying a piece of wire with two connectors on 
the ends.
The controller it plugs into is $2000 so I don’t want to experiment on 
that.  Be interesting to see the adapter cable when it gets here.  See 
if there are any active components. I would have probably just wired 
it up to a USB and tried it if my son had not made the modbus/RS485 
comment.

Any guesses?



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Re: [AFMUG] billing again

[Dave]

We are using Freeside and happy with it. Luckily before jeremy left we 
were able to get some custom modules done.


We have a support engineer that works well with freeside. We were able 
to incorporate it into preseem and our inventory without much fuss.


I hope that Ivan will get his stuff together and do more with it.


On 8/14/2020 11:05 AM, Larry Smith wrote:

On Fri August 14 2020 10:44, Cameron Crum wrote:

Ivan (Freeside) has not been around for a few years. Not sure
what happened to him, but he quit coming to the Wisp trade shows and stuff.
But, Freeside is "free" if you can get it set up with the ambiguous
instructions, or you can pay a "support" contract, but his main dev/support
guy Jeremy went to work for Matt Larson a couple years ago. I really don't
know if Ivan even still maintains stuff or not.

Last word I got was that Ivan had some personal issues but was getting
things settled/organized and would be back to taking care of things "soon".



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

[dave]

Well if this is the case I guess Unreal Tournament Gold Edition from 
1999 has been well embedded to our systems LOL!

I used to play the crap out of that Game..


On 8/14/20 12:27 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
So this fella is ceo of epic games. They built the unreal engine that 
runs the games. They also own fortnite.
Fortnite is pissing with apple and to some degree, google with the 
mobile version of fortnite. In app purchase system and all. Apple and 
google kicked them out of the store.
Android already allows you to load apps off store by lowering the 
security. With the popularity of fortnite, I'm betting apple 
ultimately makes a similar concession


Sysadmins globally have given themselves access to play fortnite. I 
dont play it, but I watch people who do, it's like a cult.


So, you have a single entity with code control of target systems 
globally, port forward into games running the engine on all platforms 
and now the mobile market.


He is a tree hugger, donated a boatload of cash to save the forest 
organizations.


I'd like to think hes been building a massive exploit into all of it, 
collecting systems data for all this time.


He owns the world's largest, most entrenched botnet.

My conspiracy theory is he is a good man who knows the internet and 
tech in general is the downfall of man and he has a kill switch 
exploit that will infect everything, take down anything connected, and 
anything one airgap disconnected.


Once apple submits he will be pwning all the world's systems. He will 
execute his master code update and it will all go down and all the 
neckbeard will emerge from their basements and server rooms into 
daylight. They will not understand the hateful nature of the world, 
but they're all void of any natural inclination to not just drop 
everyone they see, it will be neckbeard battle royale IRL. They aren't 
strong, but they outnumber us and they're trained to form clans 
quickly with strangers.


Most of us will be no scoped in the first 24 hours of the ensuing 
battle. The rest will quickly be captured and put to work building 
wooden platforms into the sky.


We will return to a simpler time, hunters, gatherers and platform 
builders.




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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Dave]

+1000

Yeaaa Color Codes...


On 8/13/2020 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You could utilize primary/secondary color codes, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:54 PM Sean Heskett <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:


i would HIGHLY recommend (especially with CBRS but also just in
general) using the color code feature and putting a unique color
code on each AP.  it gives you much more control to prevent
unintended consequences.

like josh said tho, as for the SAS the CPE is in the same location
aimed in the same direction so no change.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:40 AM Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

So... here's a situation I bet no one thought about...

I have an AP at 0 degrees north, and my CPE is directly south
at 180.  I
file as such.

The AP goes offline but the CPEs now see a sector directly
behind them
and connect to that.

Is the reported to the SAS azimuth now 0 degrees (dish is
pointing
north) or 180 degrees (CPE is attached to a sector behind it
off the
backside)?




On 8/13/20 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Well, the SAS doesn’t care.  But to get authorized to
transmit and to
> send heartbeats, the SM needs to communicate
SM-AP-cnMaestro.  And it
> needs to use that trick where a CBSD is allowed to transmit
very briefly
> before authorization, and then the AP takes the SM under its
wing and
> gets the grant information from cnMaestro.
>
> Similar mechanism if you set alternate color codes, so SMs
can move
> automatically to an alternate sector.
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
>
> That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a
Cambium/CNmaestro
> thing.  CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to
know the
> bearing/elevation/position.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser
> mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>     so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online
change the
>     Color Code to the same code the old SM's are and the sms
move over
>     to the new AP and the CBRS data transfers over
automatically in Maestro?
>
>     On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>     <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote:
>
>         Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just
moved
>         automagically to the replacement AP.
>
>         We imported a sector consisting of just the empty
AP, and pre
>         approved onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized
and Waiting
>         for Device.  Once the new AP was plugged in, it
synced and
>         enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over without any manual
>         intervention.  Pretty cool.
>
>         *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>         <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
>         *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
>         *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
>
>         In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP
and sync it
>         once you have it in place.
>         The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin
tool once
>         they register and the grants get re-used.
>
>         Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin
tool you
>         deregister the old AP and delete it from the system.
>
>         No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out
the AP.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Poor Dishes on a Tower

[Dave]

Stabe Arms!

Dish Lives Matter!

Lol!


On 8/10/2020 5:13 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

What the Poor dishes on a tower have to put up with.

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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[dave]

The best answer I got was from cambium support on how to do it properly 
and evan is the guy for sure but very busy.


On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?

I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than 
deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and 
then re importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping 
everything goes smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.


I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  
Over the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original 
connectorized 450 APs.  I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or 
the sector antenna, but replacing it solves the modulation and V/H 
ratio issues.


The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 
450m AP.





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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[dave]

Ken,
 since the addition of the export button in the management tool it 
makes it easy todo.
The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of your sector 
info and subs info up to date.

update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.

Of course to answer your question to make a smoother transition is to 
place the new ap into part 90

so you obtain all of your subs then update your management tool.

I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.

Thanks
Dave


On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing a Cambium CBRS AP?

I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less disruptive than 
deleting the whole sector while the tech is swapping out the AP and 
then re importing into cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping 
everything goes smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.


I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but with issues.  
Over the years we’ve run into RF issues with the original 
connectorized 450 APs.  I’ve never established whether it’s the AP or 
the sector antenna, but replacing it solves the modulation and V/H 
ratio issues.


The same procedure would also apply if you are upgrading to a 450i or 
450m AP.





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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Dave]

Lewis thats a loaded question even for a 100Mbs @ 5x9s

13Km is wut about 8 miles.

If you could find an old ptp800 would satisfy your need easy with 3 foot 
dishes on 11Ghz


Ive been using ptp820 for a while and its built tough with more options 
for interface.


PTP670 Rocks at 20mhz wide channel even in 4.9 could get away with 2foot 
dishes


I have a ptp 550 link pushing 250 plus Mbs at 4 x 9s at 18mile and until 
something crushes the band LOL.


just depends on your price point really

Starting less than 5k up to 40K


On 8/3/2020 11:44 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

So Guru's,
Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long 
that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat 
and I think they are out of my range.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Dave]

I have my whole network of 45 Aps a mix of medusa -450 over to CBRS and 
it was challenge for sure.


I am very happy with the outcome but not too sure on the future of some 
APs in the metro are where we heavily overlap with ATT and Verizon.


Already had to coordinate to get out of their way and us them. We did 
this manually.


I have done anything you can think of working with the sas and the 
management portal.


I think the Phase2 is going to be interesting.


On 7/27/2020 5:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I made that mistake also when we first went live with CBRS.  I was so 
happy to see all channels available.  Then someone pointed out that is 
only because there are no incumbents or PALs, and the SAS doesn’t 
protect GAA.  Obviously there are no PALs yet because the auction 
hasn’t taken place.


There won’t be specific frequencies assigned to PAL holders except on 
a grant-by-grant basis.  But once they get a grant, no GAA user can 
get a grant in that PAL protection area on the same channel.  That 
tells me a GAA user could get kicked off a channel because a PAL 
holder got a grant and now is being protected.  You could move to 
another channel, but I fear that will be a manual process.  Customers 
go down, WISP scrambles to find another clear channel, CPI enters data 
for new grant request.


I’d like to think the SAS would send a request to the domain proxy 
(cnMaestro) please move the following sector to new frequency XYZ, but 
I doubt that’s how it works.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 4:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS 
equipment onboarding


Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off.  Secondly, I 
don't know what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer 
to avoid those.  Right now everything is wide open according to 
Google's SAS...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I expect they’ll do both.

But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated
GAA?  In 3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL
channels, and PAL licensed don’t come with assigned channels.  So
the limit on number of PALs per county mean there would be at most
7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t think you can predict which
channels would always be GAA, other than the old NN 50 MHz.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS
equipment onboarding

Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their
PAL blocks would be willing to operate in GAA at all?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get
kicked off a channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the
telco firing up 80 MHz channels in GAA and causing
interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.

But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant
request, and the only way to accommodate their request is to
repack and assign us a new frequency.  We can still get a
channel, but it may be a different channel. Is it like DFS or
LBT and we automatically get moved to a different channel, or
a narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My
guess is our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes
our customers are down, and we have to manually determine and
submit a different grant request to get a new channel.  And we
would need to quickly determine which channel to request
because some could be occupied by other GAA users and there
would be interference.

Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too
pessimistic?  Not really sure how auto would work.  It seems
like the SAS only approves or rejects grant requests, it
doesn’t generate them on your behalf.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS
equipment onboarding

If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of
GAA.  That's the worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50
MHz in NN.

Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and
especially after Friday's issues showing 

Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

[Dave]

My guess is none...

Im sooo sick of the BS games the FCC and 'BIG BOYZ' Are playing.

So funny how they say "Sure anyone can get a pal"

FCC should have shoved a big FU to all WISPs and just let us die.

When I first saw the pricing on our county and surrounding countys for 
bid I knew there was no chance.


Let the lawsuits FLY...


On 7/27/2020 5:51 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 7/27/20 15:42, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/auction105




I'm curious to see how many WISPs actually get a PAL when this is all 
done.




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Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

[Dave]

I always thought of speed as the latency as I was taught in the golden 
age of X.25 host LOL!


Capacity is the measure of how much can we send at one time with that 
same latency.


Am I wrong on this??


On 7/23/2020 2:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So true.

Of course a couple days ago I had a customer all worried because her 
Internet was SO SLOW compared to what she should have.  She works for 
Blue Cross / Blue Shield and was applying to work from home and they 
told her to go to speedtest.net and then gave her a screenshot of how 
to share her results.  The screenshot showed a download speed of 91 
Mbps.  She interpreted it as that’s what she should have. She is 
currently on a 10 Mbps plan and thought OMG I only have one tenth of 
what I should have and I’ll never be able to work from home.


And IT people can be a pain in the butt. Maybe there should also be an 
IT to English dictionary.


1 Gbps = fast

100 Mbps = barely adequate

10 Mbps = slower than dialup

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 2:00 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

I feel the same way about the word "speed", and by extension the word 
"slow".


It's partly our own fault for calling "bits per second" a "speed" 
starting back in the 90's.  "Oh you've only got a speed of 10Mbps?  
That must be why it's slow. "


The thing a customer actually cares about in terms of speed is that 
when they click a link, buy a PS4 game, and so on that, that the the 
result of whatever they initiated comes quickly.  The way people use 
the term, "Speed" of the network is more like how much work was 
performed over time, and bps plays a role in that (especially 
downloading the PS4 game), but every single thing between the user and 
the server plays a role in that too.  Even excluding the things 
outside of our control, the perceived "speed" is impacted by buffers, 
queues, QoS, latency, jitter, and so on.


So this "customer to english" translation is the inverse of the 
problem where all boxes with blinky lights get a random name.  All 
problems impacting completion of tasks are called "slow speeds".


"slow service" = jitter in my online game

"slow service" = my wifi signal sucks

"slow service" = Facebook is down

"slow service" = An App Store download on my Dad's iPad is stuck at 58 
out of 130MB and won't go past that.


"slow service" = My VoIP call is breaking up

"slow service" = speedtest.net says I get 9.2Mbps, but I pay for 
10Mbps. And really that's irrelevant, what I'm really calling about is 
my work VPN won't connect because I have a 1492 byte MTU and their 
Sonicwall drops PMTUD packets, but the first thing I do for any 
problem is run speedtest.net and then report whatever's wrong as slow 
service.


Then when they tell you service is "slow" and you seek clarification 
about what's not working or what's being slow for them they think 
you're arguing about it.  Really they're making such a general 
statement that you have no idea what to even look for yet.


On 7/23/2020 2:30 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

“Signal” and “Connection” are two of the most problematic words as
far as not meaning the same thing to customers as to tech support
people.

Like if customer says I have no signal, I figure they must be
talking about no WiFi signal because they specifically used the
word signal.  But often they are using the word “signal” to mean
“Internet”.  So if Facebook or Netflix doesn’t work, they have no
signal.

Then there are the people who complain they only have 1 bar of
signal so we need to come out and adjust their antenna.  But they
are looking at the Ethernet port lights on the router and thinking
those are WiFi bars. This happens a lot with Mikrotiks which have
the 1-5 LEDs on top.

Same with the word connection.  I have no connection, I can’t get
connected.  Is their device telling them no connections are
available?  Like when they same I’m not on my phone.  What does it
mean to be “on” your phone?

At least Internet Explorer is pretty much gone.  People used to
tell us they were clicking on “the Internet”, I think usually they
meant Internet Explorer. Now they say they use Google, and we’re
not sure if they mean Chrome, or they are searching with Google
(many people don’t know how to enter a web address).

Then there’s “I am trying to log onto the Internet”.  Wait, are
you entering login credentials like a username and password?  Is
this your Windows login?  Gmail? Often they don’t really mean log
in, just do something, like go to a webpage.  So

Log in = do something

Don’t get me going on the symbols on home routers.  The sparkler
is on, the tadpole is off …

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:33 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary

[Dave]

My fave is

We are down AGAIN!

Tech arrives to find roofers using flame throwers to seal the flat roof 
with new rubberized roof.


Cable Melted into roof.. hmm this should allow for optimal service :)


On 7/23/2020 10:22 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
'Connection has been Unusable for several days' = Normal streaming 
patterns until an hour ago.


'I don't know why the radio is offline' = 
Self/husband/child/pet/landscaper cut the cable outside.


'It just stopped working' = new roof was installed

On 7/23/2020 8:23 AM, Ron M. wrote:
"The internet is down" = I can't get to my one specific 
(blog/porn/political/etc) website. I can get to everything else, just 
not that one site.


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:17 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


"I've got nothing" = My DirectTV doesn't work, but my cell phone
works, husbands phone and tablet works, all four kids are
watching 2 video streams each

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:36 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've had old men start reading the label on the poe to me and
it takes a bit to understand what they're telling me cause I
cant even see most of it. Amazing to me.

Also

Right next to the router: 3 rooms over through a refrigerator
behind a tv.

 says your internet is too slow:
Patel, I mean Roy from tech support doesnt even know what the
service is he is supporting

I didnt touch anything since it was installed: I moved every
wire and managed to make my cordless phone power supply cord
fit in the router

That's the way your techs left it: I am a liar

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 8:01 PM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Modem = a box with blinky lights.

Router = a box with blinky lights.

Hub = a box with blinky lights.

Switch = a box with blink lights.

You don't know what it is until they read the words on it
and tell you it's the Linksy.


On 7/22/2020 6:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I think we need one.  For example,

Satellite = antenna (e.g. you put a satellite on my roof)

Cable = TV (e.g. where do I plug in the cable)

WiFi = Internet

Booster = range extender

Linsky = router (also Link System)

Slow as dialup = meaningless, nobody remembers dialup


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Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

[dave]

Amen!
I am not sure if I would shoot our techs.. Its hard to find those guys 
in my area.



On 7/22/20 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Isn't it refreshing when you get to do a nice, easy Cat5e riser cable?


On 7/22/2020 12:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I can do a beautiful job of putting a shielded end on shielded 
cable.  The downside is it takes me 5 tries and 30+ minutes.  And 
some cuss words.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in 
later firmware?


It’s a shitty job on that cable, I’ll give you that.    It’s what the 
new(ish) NOC guy created.   We would shoot a field service tech (what 
we call our installers) if they made a end like that :-)


Mark


On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:59 AM, dave  wrote:

We can show U how to meet the milspec standard of the getting that 
jacket seated into the RJ45 connector.
If I found one like that on our network the tech that did it gets a 
retrain on making jumpers correctly LOL :)


That is awesome surface sealant!







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Re: [AFMUG] Simple mikrotik question at this early hour

[dave]

+1
Same here


On 7/21/20 10:02 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Same here. You can drag the column header. If you right click on the 
headers you can add and remove columns you aren't interested in, etc.


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Winbox I presume? Maybe your version of Winbox is too old? I'm using
Winbox 6.46.2, and you can resize the terminal window any which way.


bp


On 7/21/2020 7:55 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I'm having a brain fart at this early hour.  Is there a way to
resize
> the terminal window so that it will give you more horizontal column
> space?  I'm running a traceroute with DNS lookups from the command
> line, and it cuts off half the name because the column is too
narrow.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

[Dave]

Well sheet... Bunch of windoze Hooie if ya ask me :)

If this is to be soo critical better start thinking like mil spec NBC 
resilient type infrastructure other wise yes it dies.



On 7/17/2020 9:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I think maybe they use AWS for DNS, but that Cloudflare is doing 
attack mitigation for AWS.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2020 8:52 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

That’sa major problem.



On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote:

So, appears cambiumnetworks.com  uses
cloudflare for DNS alone. Cloudflare goes inaccessible, bye bye
cambiumnetworks.com  and I assume cnheat.

sas.cbrs.cambiumnetworks.com 
is the URL for the cnmaestro SAS URL.

cloudflare DNS tell us to go ask AWS DNS for how to resolve
*.cbrs.cambiumnetworks.com , but
cloudflare tell us to only cache these NS records for 5 min.. so
there’s our problem.

5 min of cloudflare being unresponsive and we’re toast for valid
cnmaestro SAS URL resolution.

On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:59 PM, castarritt mailto:castarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

cnHeat was broken too.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:34 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I think it was actually cnMaestro that went away, or its
IP address couldn’t be looked up.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Cassidy
B. Larson
*Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2020 5:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?

Our Google SAS also went offline.  Whatcha wanna bet
CNMaestro hard codes requests to 1.1.1.1 to resolve SAS URLs?

Gonna have to do some tcpdumps to verify.

On Jul 17, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith
mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:

Cloudflare had a major issue lasting about 30 minutes

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On Fri July 17 2020 16:47, Joe Novak wrote:

whatever just blipped on the internet probably
caused it,
authoritative servers at Cloudflare maybe? It's
appears to be working again
here via Comcast and work.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 4:44 PM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

TTL on DNS record is 1 minute. Serial number
is 1 which seems strange.



*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf
Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2020 4:37 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS
outage?



Cloud.cambiumnetworks.com
 is working
fine for me.  I'm resolving to
us-east-1-rtr-1-578252723.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com


[18.213.196.79]

On 7/17/2020 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Actually, I can’t get DNS resolution for
cloud.cambiumnetworks.com
. Even
at my home which is not on my network.



*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf
Of *Ken Hohhof via AF
*Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2020 4:32 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Federated Wireless SAS outage?



Anyone else experiencing SAS not reachable errors?



Cambium CBRS with Federated Wireless SAS.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

[dave]

Just install 40k of micropops :)


On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the 
ones that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is 
expected to support ~~ 40,000 subscribers.


That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at supporting 
about half a million subscribers (~~ 533,000).


In order to support a million subscribers, they will need about 1500 
satellites.


https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?

[dave]

We call that one the Earth to Ground wire.
Typically it turns into a neutral wire when run into a distribution 
panel when its isolated.
At tower sites it typically will tie back into a Ground rod at the meter 
called neutral ground Bond.

EVERYthing at the site will typically bond back to this ground.

Birds ... Well thats just weird :)


On 7/13/20 12:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I thought the neutral was the unshielded wire between the poles.  
That's how my house is hooked up...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


There is no neutral on power poles. Just hots. One, two, or three
usually.


bp


On 7/13/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Just standard power like at home.  Not three phase.  It's an FM
radio station.  I would assume the hot is at top and neutral
below, but it's been a while since I've seen it myself. Goes from
HV on the road to the tower's (power/utility) pole with a
transformer/fuse.

Two robins on Saturday.  Starling a few minutes ago.  No nests up
there - maybe that's what they are trying to do?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

What kind of power line?  Like three phase on a cross arm or
single phase with the hot at the top and neutral down below etc?
Nesting activity?  Seem way late in the year for that.  What
kind of bird?
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 10:29 AM
*To:* AFMUG
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Birds going crazy?
On Saturday we had a power outage.  Beautiful day.  Towers on
batteries, but after an hour we head up there with a
generator.  Plug it in and we're good to go.  Outage was
caused by a bird on the pole and the fuse popped.
Power company comes by, puts up a new fuse.  Power is back. 
He gets in the truck and drives down the lane, about 50 feet,
and *POP*.  Another bird and fuse. Replaces another.  Good
for a few more hours.
Then this morning - power outage AGAIN.  A third "bird" on
the ground below the fuse.

Obviously something's going on, being it's been three times
in three days when this has never happened since ~2008. 
Maybe someone put peanut oil and the rodents are trading
services?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved in later firmware?

[dave]

.



On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 8:23 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


I am unaware of any correlation between DFS events and either
Packetflux or 15.x FW.

I don’t use a lot of DFS because honestly it seems fussy no
matter what. But I have a tower with 10 sectors in 5 GHz (8 x
450i and 2 x 450m).  They are all synced from a Packetflux
Rackinjector using Cambium Sync.  4 of the 450i sectors are in
5.4 DFS, and I’m embarrassed to find they are still on 15.2 FW.
Uptime of about 6 months and no DFS events.  So I’m dubious about
all of this.

The latest production FW is 16.2.1 and it also has a lot of fixes
so I’m not sure why you would be running something so far
behind.  As I said, I’m embarrassed to find I still have radios
on 15.2.

Has he opened a case with Cambium support?  There are some best
practices with DFS.  For sure you don’t want to configure the AP
to think the antenna gain is lower than it is (not possible with
450m or integrated 450i).  You don’t want to set the SM Receive
Target Level higher than necessary on other sectors.  Then
there’s choosing the alternate frequencies.  And I suppose a poor
sync configuration could cause false DFS detections, where an AP
sees the signal from an adjacent AP.

But who knows what causes these events?  Somebody’s Linksys
reflected off a bird?  A competitor aiming a new radio?  I used
to have a 5.4 GHz PTP500 backhaul and the end pointed in the
general direction of Chicago would have DFS events when there
were storms.  I thought ducting was causing it to see distant
signals, but it could also have been tripped by lightning.  DFS
is fussy.  I don’t like it.  If I could swap out all the SMs on
those DFS sectors for 450b, I would probably move them to U-NII-1.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i/450m DFS false detect problem solved
in later firmware?

I read the 16.0.1 release notes, nothing really specific about
DFS other than it being on when it shouldn't be. However, I agree
there is lots of stuff fixed in there, some of which could have
repercussions for DFS.

Are you saying that mid to late 15.x was generally broken for DFS
and this is largely fixed in 16.x?   I guess my real question
should have been 'What is the state of DFS in the 450
platform and how fussy is it'?

I'm still gathering information from this customer but it sounds
like they're still trying to track down the root cause.  Sometime
in the past week or so they figured out that there was some
correlation between the DFS events adding a fair bit of
PacketFlux gear, so this correlation is now the leading root
cause in their minds.   So now I get to try to resolve their
problem for them.

    On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:00 PM Dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

If they are not running 16.0.1 nuthing can help them from
some weird issues with the DFS bands.

 Lots of things corrected in 15.2 and later for EIRP and SNR
related calculations the help with H/V misreads and A/B
channel alignments.

Read the release notes in 16.0.1 for further info.

On 7/11/2020 3:12 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I'm working with a customer that is having problems with
DFS false hits who is convinced this is a PacketFlux sync
issue.   I'm never one to say it definitively isn't my
problem, but I'm skeptical in this case.

I know that at some point in the past that anything
beyond 15.0.2 was known to have fairly common DFS issues
by some customers.   I thought this was resolved in later
releases, but I also don't see any mention of said issue
being resolved in any release notes post 15.0.02.

I was wondering if anyone knew the current status? I.E.
if they had been seeing the problem previously, and then
discovered it was fixed.  Or have tried recent releases
and discovered the problem still exists, etc...

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