Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
20 years ago, when I flamed out of the Web-o-sphere, I wish I had known you, I would have loved to work for you in my 40's Would probably have been more fun than starting this business up! On 6/8/19 2:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: None have applied. One close to 40 claimed to be a diesel mechanic etc etc. He got here and he could not even diagnose trailer lights properly, nor could he back up a truck connected to a trailer. Then he got into a fist fight with another employee and dropped a handhole on a guy in the ditch... He had the look of a tweaker to me. *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 3:29 PM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Article in paper today says 50 and even 40 year olds are having trouble finding jobs despite being qualified. The phone interview goes fine, but at the in person interview they see how old the candidate is and they want someone younger. Maybe an opportunity to hire those over-the-hill 40-somethings. *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *dave *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 3:28 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills LOL! I can see that with some of the yonger generation of military. I questioned almost everything when I was a PV2/E2 it was in our dna As I become wiser and more intuitive it became clear :) On 6/6/19 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *dave *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time. Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help.
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Yeah, dropping the handhole would have been the deal breaker. ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: None have applied. One close to 40 claimed to be a diesel mechanic etc etc. He got here and he could not even diagnose trailer lights properly, nor could he back up a truck connected to a trailer. Then he got into a fist fight with another employee and dropped a handhole on a guy in the ditch... He had the look of a tweaker to me. *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 3:29 PM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Article in paper today says 50 and even 40 year olds are having trouble finding jobs despite being qualified. The phone interview goes fine, but at the in person interview they see how old the candidate is and they want someone younger. Maybe an opportunity to hire those over-the-hill 40-somethings. *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *dave *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 3:28 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills LOL! I can see that with some of the yonger generation of military. I questioned almost everything when I was a PV2/E2 it was in our dna As I become wiser and more intuitive it became clear :) On 6/6/19 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *dave *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point.
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
None have applied. One close to 40 claimed to be a diesel mechanic etc etc. He got here and he could not even diagnose trailer lights properly, nor could he back up a truck connected to a trailer. Then he got into a fist fight with another employee and dropped a handhole on a guy in the ditch... He had the look of a tweaker to me. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Article in paper today says 50 and even 40 year olds are having trouble finding jobs despite being qualified. The phone interview goes fine, but at the in person interview they see how old the candidate is and they want someone younger. Maybe an opportunity to hire those over-the-hill 40-somethings. From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 3:28 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills LOL! I can see that with some of the yonger generation of military. I questioned almost everything when I was a PV2/E2 it was in our dna As I become wiser and more intuitive it became clear :) On 6/6/19 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of dave Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >>>> climbing fences, walking th
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Article in paper today says 50 and even 40 year olds are having trouble finding jobs despite being qualified. The phone interview goes fine, but at the in person interview they see how old the candidate is and they want someone younger. Maybe an opportunity to hire those over-the-hill 40-somethings. From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 3:28 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills LOL! I can see that with some of the yonger generation of military. I questioned almost everything when I was a PV2/E2 it was in our dna As I become wiser and more intuitive it became clear :) On 6/6/19 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of dave Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett >>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got >>>> there on >>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >>>> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >>>> probably deserved it a few more times. >>>> >>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >>>> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >>>> correctly used the word "p
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
LOL!
I can see that with some of the yonger generation of military.
I questioned almost everything when I was a PV2/E2 it was in our dna
As I become wiser and more intuitive it became clear :)
On 6/6/19 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I
worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we
referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to
take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than
question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg
*From:*AF *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with
good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had
my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me
a bit to understand Focus.
Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I
often wonder if there are younger more focused people to
sustain hard work when needed.
I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home
looking to start a new.
On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that
would be a problem if you hired me as an installer.
*From:* AF
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type
experience is probably more valuable than tech experience.
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without
experience but
couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in
someone that
knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can
perform a
simple router setup.
Jerry Head wrote:
> Disagree.
> We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
> He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who
showed up.
> We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
> He failed.
> My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
> We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
> So there's that I guess.
>
>
> On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List
Account)
>>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>
>>> Many of these type of people will be working on something
interesting
>>> in their own time. Maybe some probing questions about
what they
>>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking
for, things
>>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi?
etc?'
>>> might help.
>>>
>>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a
job listing?
>>> That might be a good starting point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I
could go for a
>>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept
ranging
>>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks,
culvert pipes,
>>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction
sites, quarries,
>>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.
I got
>>>> there on
>>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all
under the
>>>> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested
once, but I
>>>> probably deserved it a few more times.
>>>>
>>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a
battery to play
>>>> with the components. At an early job they w
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Interesting article about how surgeons need to have learned fine motor skills from hobbies as a child. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/well/live/surgeons-hobbies-dexterity.html From: AF On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 8:12 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills My son is almost done with his road to Eagle Scout, while some requirements have changed I can assure you it is still a rigorous process. There are still a lot of required merit badges to be completed. What I like about those required badges is the fact that many of them are life skills that are no longer being taught in the public school systems adequately or at all. Things like personal finance, government (local, nation and world), communication (written, spoken, verbal), swimming and others. While a couple of the required have been changed from years past, it’s still not an easy process, especially for a kid. A lot of adults I know don’t have the fortitude to stick with a program as long as my kid has. We were just discussing how when he started it seemed like such a long way off and so much work to be done. I have been on boards of review for Eagle Scouts who were getting advanced Palm awards. These kids were not even 16 years old, they handled themselves more professionally and more confidently than most of the adults I have interviewed for jobs. It still is a great program and probably more of an indicator of the quality of a person you would be hiring. These days’ kids are much more apt to quit when things get hard. As a council level leader and board member, I am having a much harder time getting the adult leaders trained. They struggle to even take on line courses to get position trained to help lead and guide these kids. Don’t even get me started on the new generation of parents that don’t want to help build and run their local community Cub Scout units. They just don’t seem willing to work hard and make sacrifices for their children. Always expecting someone else to do it. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2019 11:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Sadly, eagle scout will soon have little to no value, reqs are on the decline, is the video gaming badge a thing yet? On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 4:03 PM can...@believewireless.net <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote: I got my first job out of college because I'm an Eagle Scout. The main boss asked in the interview, "What is your motto? Happy, Health, Horny?" On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Eagle Scouts, hams, farm kids, vets. All good indicators. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 2:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills the other issue we've had with military personnel is that in the military their boss is on a need to know basis (and therefore they don't always need to know stuff) because telling their boss something will sometimes land someone in hot water so it's just best not to tell anyone. no one wants their superior to suffer the wrath of the general etc. well, outside of the military that's a huge issue because sometimes they will hide really important info from you because they didn't want to inconvenience you with the truth which could cause problems...not realizing that withholding such information actually caused bigger problems. it's a hard habit to break them of. don't get me wrong, they are hard workers and will do just about anything you command them to do, but sometimes they'll leave you in the dark thinking they are doing you a favor. some of our best employees have been eagle scouts 2 cents -sean On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of dave Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus.
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My son is almost done with his road to Eagle Scout, while some requirements have changed I can assure you it is still a rigorous process. There are still a lot of required merit badges to be completed. What I like about those required badges is the fact that many of them are life skills that are no longer being taught in the public school systems adequately or at all. Things like personal finance, government (local, nation and world), communication (written, spoken, verbal), swimming and others. While a couple of the required have been changed from years past, it’s still not an easy process, especially for a kid. A lot of adults I know don’t have the fortitude to stick with a program as long as my kid has. We were just discussing how when he started it seemed like such a long way off and so much work to be done. I have been on boards of review for Eagle Scouts who were getting advanced Palm awards. These kids were not even 16 years old, they handled themselves more professionally and more confidently than most of the adults I have interviewed for jobs. It still is a great program and probably more of an indicator of the quality of a person you would be hiring. These days’ kids are much more apt to quit when things get hard. As a council level leader and board member, I am having a much harder time getting the adult leaders trained. They struggle to even take on line courses to get position trained to help lead and guide these kids. Don’t even get me started on the new generation of parents that don’t want to help build and run their local community Cub Scout units. They just don’t seem willing to work hard and make sacrifices for their children. Always expecting someone else to do it. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2019 11:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Sadly, eagle scout will soon have little to no value, reqs are on the decline, is the video gaming badge a thing yet? On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 4:03 PM can...@believewireless.net wrote: I got my first job out of college because I'm an Eagle Scout. The main boss asked in the interview, "What is your motto? Happy, Health, Horny?" On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:52 PM wrote: Eagle Scouts, hams, farm kids, vets. All good indicators. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 2:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills the other issue we've had with military personnel is that in the military their boss is on a need to know basis (and therefore they don't always need to know stuff) because telling their boss something will sometimes land someone in hot water so it's just best not to tell anyone. no one wants their superior to suffer the wrath of the general etc. well, outside of the military that's a huge issue because sometimes they will hide really important info from you because they didn't want to inconvenience you with the truth which could cause problems...not realizing that withholding such information actually caused bigger problems. it's a hard habit to break them of. don't get me wrong, they are hard workers and will do just about anything you command them to do, but sometimes they'll leave you in the dark thinking they are doing you a favor. some of our best employees have been eagle scouts 2 cents -sean On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
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Sadly, eagle scout will soon have little to no value, reqs are on the decline, is the video gaming badge a thing yet? On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 4:03 PM can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > I got my first job out of college because I'm an Eagle Scout. The main > boss asked in the interview, > "What is your motto? Happy, Health, Horny?" > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:52 PM wrote: > >> Eagle Scouts, hams, farm kids, vets. All good indicators. >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 2:47 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills >> >> the other issue we've had with military personnel is that in the military >> their boss is on a need to know basis (and therefore they don't always need >> to know stuff) because telling their boss something will sometimes land >> someone in hot water so it's just best not to tell anyone. no one wants >> their superior to suffer the wrath of the general etc. well, outside of >> the military that's a huge issue because sometimes they will hide really >> important info from you because they didn't want to inconvenience you with >> the truth which could cause problems...not realizing that withholding such >> information actually caused bigger problems. it's a hard habit to break >> them of. >> >> don't get me wrong, they are hard workers and will do just about anything >> you command them to do, but sometimes they'll leave you in the dark >> thinking they are doing you a favor. >> >> some of our best employees have been eagle scouts >> >> 2 cents >> >> -sean >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I >>> worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we >>> referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take >>> that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question >>> if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *dave >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills >>> >>> >>> >>> Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with >>> good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had >>> my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a >>> bit to understand Focus. >>> Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often >>> wonder if there are younger more focused people to >>> sustain hard work when needed. >>> >>> I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home >>> looking to start a new. >>> >>> >>> On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would >>> be a problem if you hired me as an installer. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills >>> >>> >>> >>> Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type >>> experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley >>> wrote: >>> >>> Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but >>> couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that >>> knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a >>> simple router setup. >>> >>> Jerry Head wrote: >>> > Disagree. >>> > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. >>> > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. >>> > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. >>> > He failed. >>> > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". >>> > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. >>> > So there's that I guess. >>> > >>> > >>> &
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I got my first job out of college because I'm an Eagle Scout. The main boss asked in the interview, "What is your motto? Happy, Health, Horny?" On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:52 PM wrote: > Eagle Scouts, hams, farm kids, vets. All good indicators. > > *From:* Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 2:47 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills > > the other issue we've had with military personnel is that in the military > their boss is on a need to know basis (and therefore they don't always need > to know stuff) because telling their boss something will sometimes land > someone in hot water so it's just best not to tell anyone. no one wants > their superior to suffer the wrath of the general etc. well, outside of > the military that's a huge issue because sometimes they will hide really > important info from you because they didn't want to inconvenience you with > the truth which could cause problems...not realizing that withholding such > information actually caused bigger problems. it's a hard habit to break > them of. > > don't get me wrong, they are hard workers and will do just about anything > you command them to do, but sometimes they'll leave you in the dark > thinking they are doing you a favor. > > some of our best employees have been eagle scouts > > 2 cents > > -sean > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I >> worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we >> referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take >> that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question >> if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *dave >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills >> >> >> >> Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with >> good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had >> my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a >> bit to understand Focus. >> Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often >> wonder if there are younger more focused people to >> sustain hard work when needed. >> >> I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home >> looking to start a new. >> >> >> On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be >> a problem if you hired me as an installer. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills >> >> >> >> Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type >> experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley >> wrote: >> >> Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but >> couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that >> knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a >> simple router setup. >> >> Jerry Head wrote: >> > Disagree. >> > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. >> > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. >> > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. >> > He failed. >> > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". >> > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. >> > So there's that I guess. >> > >> > >> > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> A couple of thoughts: >> >>> >> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >> >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >> >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're l
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Eagle Scouts, hams, farm kids, vets. All good indicators. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 2:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills the other issue we've had with military personnel is that in the military their boss is on a need to know basis (and therefore they don't always need to know stuff) because telling their boss something will sometimes land someone in hot water so it's just best not to tell anyone. no one wants their superior to suffer the wrath of the general etc. well, outside of the military that's a huge issue because sometimes they will hide really important info from you because they didn't want to inconvenience you with the truth which could cause problems...not realizing that withholding such information actually caused bigger problems. it's a hard habit to break them of. don't get me wrong, they are hard workers and will do just about anything you command them to do, but sometimes they'll leave you in the dark thinking they are doing you a favor. some of our best employees have been eagle scouts 2 cents -sean On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarr
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the other issue we've had with military personnel is that in the military their boss is on a need to know basis (and therefore they don't always need to know stuff) because telling their boss something will sometimes land someone in hot water so it's just best not to tell anyone. no one wants their superior to suffer the wrath of the general etc. well, outside of the military that's a huge issue because sometimes they will hide really important info from you because they didn't want to inconvenience you with the truth which could cause problems...not realizing that withholding such information actually caused bigger problems. it's a hard habit to break them of. don't get me wrong, they are hard workers and will do just about anything you command them to do, but sometimes they'll leave you in the dark thinking they are doing you a favor. some of our best employees have been eagle scouts 2 cents -sean On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I > worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we > referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take > that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question > if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *dave > *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills > > > > Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good > values and the meaning of hard work even though I had > my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a > bit to understand Focus. > Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often > wonder if there are younger more focused people to > sustain hard work when needed. > > I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home > looking to start a new. > > > On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be > a problem if you hired me as an installer. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills > > > > Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience > is probably more valuable than tech experience. > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley > wrote: > > Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but > couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that > knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a > simple router setup. > > Jerry Head wrote: > > Disagree. > > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > > He failed. > > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > > So there's that I guess. > > > > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> A couple of thoughts: > >>> > >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting > >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they > >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things > >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' > >>> might help. > >>> > >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? > >>> That might be a good starting point. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a > >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging > >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, > >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, > >>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got >
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You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett >>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got >>>> there on >>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >>>> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >>>> probably deserved it a few more times. >>>> >>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >>>> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >>>> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >>>> plugged a >>>> DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also >>>> melted a >>>> NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. >>>> >>>> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >>>> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >>>> tagged >>>> along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >>>> 10/22. I >>>> slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring >>>> anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks &g
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Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time. Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got >>>> there on >>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >>>> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >>>> probably deserved it a few more times. >>>> >>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >>>> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >>>> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >>>> plugged a >>>> DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also >>>> melted a >>>> NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. >>>> >>>> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >>>> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >>>> tagged >>>> along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >>>> 10/22. I >>>> slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring >>>> anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks >>>> with >>>> homemade black powder and/or match heads. >>>> >>>> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >>>> lawnmower, and so on. >>>> >>>> Every success a
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Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett >>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got >>>> there on >>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >>>> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >>>> probably deserved it a few more times. >>>> >>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >>>> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >>>> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >>>> plugged a >>>> DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also >>>> melted a >>>> NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. >>>> >>>> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >>>> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >>>> tagged >>>> along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >>>> 10/22. I >>>> slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring >>>> anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks >>>> with >>>> homemade black powder and/or match heads. >>>> >>>> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >>>> lawnmower, and so on. >>>> >>>> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I >>>> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. >>>> Things >>>> like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, >>>> and >>>> a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >>>> >>>> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job >>>> applicant >>>> is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? >>>> How do >>>> I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills >>>> too >>>> like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure >>>> stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Forrest >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley wrote: > Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but > couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that > knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a > simple router setup. > > Jerry Head wrote: > > Disagree. > > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > > He failed. > > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > > So there's that I guess. > > > > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> A couple of thoughts: > >>> > >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting > >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they > >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things > >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' > >>> might help. > >>> > >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? > >>> That might be a good starting point. > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett > wrote: > > When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a > bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging > farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, > climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, > and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got > there on > my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the > category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I > probably deserved it a few more times. > > I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play > with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I > correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also > plugged a > DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also > melted a > NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. > > My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the > difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I > tagged > along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger > 10/22. I > slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring > anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks > with > homemade black powder and/or match heads. > > My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a > lawnmower, and so on. > > Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I > took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. > Things > like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, > and > a general sense of time, distance, and direction. > > So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job > applicant > is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? > How do > I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills > too > like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure > stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> - Forrest > >>> > >>> -- > >>> AF mailing list > >>> AF@af.afmug.com > >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > *Jay Weekley* > *Cyber Broadband > * > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
We had a decade long bust in the housing market, and people in the building trades were out of work or taking alternative jobs. Not true anymore. There is always the method of hiring veterans. Sometimes there are local organizations that hook up employers with young people returning from military service. They tend to be presentable, able to follow directions and work in teams. Their skills may be very specific to certain military tasks and equipment, and they often have trouble describing their training and experience on a resume without resorting to military jargon that civilians don't understand. But some of them probably know all about drill bits, maybe even microwave equipment and computers. A little extra effort finding these people might pay off. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 8:20 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, >>> things like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go >>>> for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept >>>> ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, >>>> culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction >>>> sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked >>>> out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission >>>> I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only >>>> got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. >>>> >>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to >>>> play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that >>>> I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >>>> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. >>>> I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the >>>> charger too long. >>>> >>>> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you >>>> the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. >>>> I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his >>>> Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and >>>> sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with >>>> fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or >>>> match heads. >>>> >>>> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >>>> lawnmower, and so on. >>>> >>>> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that >>>> I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. >>>> Things >>>> like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, >>>> and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >>>> >>>> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job >>>> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything >>>> works? >>>> How do >&
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: Disagree. We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. He failed. My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". We did hire him and he has worked out really well. So there's that I guess. On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: A couple of thoughts: Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' might help. Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? That might be a good starting point. On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett wrote: When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- - Forrest -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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But still holding to my stat of only 33% are even showing up for an interview. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 4, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Jerry Head wrote: > > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > >> On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett wrote: When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Forrest >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Disagree. We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. He failed. My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". We did hire him and he has worked out really well. So there's that I guess. On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: A couple of thoughts: Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' might help. Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? That might be a good starting point. On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett wrote: When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- - Forrest -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Yeah, that's a good idea. Ubiquiti is dead simple. Anybody applying for a tech job should be able to figure that out in 5 minutes. I once laid out 3 devices and 3 power supplies to see who could match them together. Most people just checked for which plug felt right.I think 1 out of 4 thought to flip the devices over and see what voltage they needed. I guess a few practical tests is the best answer I've got right now. -Adam On 5/31/2019 10:49 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote: I do something similar in the final round of interviews for tech folks. Hand them some shielded cable and ends and tell them to make a cable that passes the tester that's sitting there as well. Weeds out a disturbing number of folks. Then a pair of UBNT radios and tell them to make a link and here's a laptop you can use to google stuff. Really helps to see who can figure things out on the fly. On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: just give them a box filled with random junk from the warehouse and a truck-stop bathroom. tell them to "build it". Come back in 20 minutes. Youll be able to find out alot about a person when you give them unknown resources and no real instruction or direction. On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:17 PM Brian Webster wrote: Sure you do ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills I don't know anybody with a ham license :( On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: Check for a ham license... On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
I do something similar in the final round of interviews for tech folks. Hand them some shielded cable and ends and tell them to make a cable that passes the tester that's sitting there as well. Weeds out a disturbing number of folks. Then a pair of UBNT radios and tell them to make a link and here's a laptop you can use to google stuff. Really helps to see who can figure things out on the fly. On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: > > just give them a box filled with random junk from the warehouse and a > truck-stop bathroom. tell them to "build it". Come back in 20 minutes. > Youll be able to find out alot about a person when you give them unknown > resources and no real instruction or direction. > > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:17 PM Brian Webster > wrote: >> >> Sure you do ;-) >> >> Thank You, >> Brian Webster N2KGC >> www.wirelessmapping.com >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett >> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills >> >> I don't know anybody with a ham license :( >> >> >> On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: >> > Check for a ham license... >> > >> > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for >> >> a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >> >> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >> >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >> >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there >> >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >> >> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >> >> probably deserved it a few more times. >> >> >> >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >> >> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >> >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >> >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I >> >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the >> >> charger too long. >> >> >> >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >> >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >> >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >> >> 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes >> >> didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my >> >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. >> >> >> >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >> >> lawnmower, and so on. >> >> >> >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I >> >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. >> >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand >> >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >> >> >> >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job >> >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything >> >> works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want >> >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want >> >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little >> >> bump in the road. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote: > > A couple of thoughts: > > Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting > in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they > have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things > like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' > might help. > > Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? > That might be a good starting point. > > > >> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a >> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on >> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >> probably deserved it a few more times. >> >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a >> DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a >> NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. >> >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged >> along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I >> slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring >> anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with >> homemade black powder and/or match heads. >> >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >> lawnmower, and so on. >> >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things >> like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and >> a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >> >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant >> is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do >> I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too >> like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure >> stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > - Forrest > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
A couple of thoughts: Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting in their own time.Maybe some probing questions about what they have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' might help. Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? That might be a good starting point. On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > > When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a > bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging > farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, > climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, > and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on > my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the > category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I > probably deserved it a few more times. > > I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play > with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I > correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a > DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a > NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. > > My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the > difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged > along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I > slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring > anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with > homemade black powder and/or match heads. > > My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a > lawnmower, and so on. > > Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I > took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things > like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and > a general sense of time, distance, and direction. > > So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant > is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do > I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too > like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure > stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- - Forrest -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=1083583 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:19 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > > I don't know anybody with a ham license :( > > > On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: > > Check for a ham license... > > > > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for > >> a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging > >> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, > >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, > >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there > >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the > >> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I > >> probably deserved it a few more times. > >> > >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play > >> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I > >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also > >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I > >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the > >> charger too long. > >> > >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the > >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I > >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger > >> 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes > >> didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my > >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. > >> > >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a > >> lawnmower, and so on. > >> > >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I > >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. > >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand > >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. > >> > >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job > >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything > >> works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want > >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want > >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little > >> bump in the road. > >> > >> > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- - Forrest -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
I did that once. Gave an employee random U bolts, nuts, PVC plates, hose clamps etc. and said "mount this camera to this tower about 6 feet up". He did it, 7 years later is still with us and the camera is still in place. Steve Jones wrote: just give them a box filled with random junk from the warehouse and a truck-stop bathroom. tell them to "build it". Come back in 20 minutes. Youll be able to find out alot about a person when you give them unknown resources and no real instruction or direction. On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:17 PM Brian Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote: Sure you do ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills I don't know anybody with a ham license :( On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: > Check for a ham license... > > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for >> a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >> probably deserved it a few more times. >> >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the >> charger too long. >> >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >> 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes >> didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. >> >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >> lawnmower, and so on. >> >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >> >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything >> works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little >> bump in the road. >> >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
AF7YN (formerly KA7WMG) XYL N7IZE -Original Message- From: Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 11:16 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Sure you do ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills I don't know anybody with a ham license :( On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: Check for a ham license... On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
just give them a box filled with random junk from the warehouse and a truck-stop bathroom. tell them to "build it". Come back in 20 minutes. Youll be able to find out alot about a person when you give them unknown resources and no real instruction or direction. On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:17 PM Brian Webster wrote: > Sure you do ;-) > > Thank You, > Brian Webster N2KGC > www.wirelessmapping.com > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills > > I don't know anybody with a ham license :( > > > On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: > > Check for a ham license... > > > > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for > >> a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging > >> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, > >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, > >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there > >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the > >> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I > >> probably deserved it a few more times. > >> > >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play > >> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I > >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also > >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I > >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the > >> charger too long. > >> > >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the > >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I > >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger > >> 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes > >> didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my > >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. > >> > >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a > >> lawnmower, and so on. > >> > >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I > >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. > >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand > >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. > >> > >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job > >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything > >> works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want > >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want > >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little > >> bump in the road. > >> > >> > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Sure you do ;-) Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills I don't know anybody with a ham license :( On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: > Check for a ham license... > > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for >> a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >> probably deserved it a few more times. >> >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the >> charger too long. >> >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >> 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes >> didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. >> >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >> lawnmower, and so on. >> >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >> >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything >> works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little >> bump in the road. >> >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Steal known good ones from other companies. That is a sure way to get a good hire. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:44 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills I don't know anymore, it's very difficult unless you do a trial hire. That is the only way I can hire or consult anymore, and the field is narrowing considerably. So many don't even respond, of those that do, only a small percentage actually show up for interview. Of those only one actually starts the hire trial period. Of those, only a small percentage work out. We hired a completely competent person last year full time. Everything on paper and interview was great. Started out ok, a bit slow and stuck in his ways. Had to let him go, was super slow relatively speaking, expensive and had some personality quirks didn't process things well enough to satisfy others. I really can't say what works anymore, except to bring on anyone that looks half decent and will show up, then see what they do over a short time. Keep 'em if they work, kick 'em if they don't. But I'm about done hiring full time or even part time W2 based people. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:20 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Is that like a spam license? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills I don't know anybody with a ham license :( On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: Check for a ham license... On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
I don't know anymore, it's very difficult unless you do a trial hire. That is the only way I can hire or consult anymore, and the field is narrowing considerably. So many don't even respond, of those that do, only a small percentage actually show up for interview. Of those only one actually starts the hire trial period. Of those, only a small percentage work out. We hired a completely competent person last year full time. Everything on paper and interview was great. Started out ok, a bit slow and stuck in his ways. Had to let him go, was super slow relatively speaking, expensive and had some personality quirks didn't process things well enough to satisfy others. I really can't say what works anymore, except to bring on anyone that looks half decent and will show up, then see what they do over a short time. Keep 'em if they work, kick 'em if they don't. But I'm about done hiring full time or even part time W2 based people. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:20 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Is that like a spam license? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills I don't know anybody with a ham license :( On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: > Check for a ham license... > > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for >> a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >> probably deserved it a few more times. >> >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the >> charger too long. >> >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >> 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes >> didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. >> >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >> lawnmower, and so on. >> >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >> >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything >> works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little >> bump in the road. >> >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Sounds very similar to my youth, replace bike with horse and later motorcycle. Mountain bikes did not exist back then and that is what it would have taken to go on a bike ride where I lived. Now-a-days, just getting someone to show up for a job interview is difficult. We are only getting one third of the applicants we select for interviews to show. This is after they have committed to show. I think having a pulse is about the only thing you can expect. Back when there were qualified candidates, I would look for ham licenses, eagle scouts, civil air patrol, ROTC. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 6:28 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/peopleware-productive-projects/9780133440706/ch16.xhtml -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 7:28 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Is that like a spam license? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills I don't know anybody with a ham license :( On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: > Check for a ham license... > > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for >> a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >> probably deserved it a few more times. >> >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the >> charger too long. >> >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >> 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes >> didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. >> >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >> lawnmower, and so on. >> >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >> >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything >> works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little >> bump in the road. >> >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
I don't know anybody with a ham license :( On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote: Check for a ham license... On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
Check for a ham license... On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got there on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I probably deserved it a few more times. I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger 10/22. I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads. My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a lawnmower, and so on. Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction. So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? How do I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little bump in the road. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
