Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ubuntu distributions

[Caleb Knauer]

I'm putting in my vote for Haughty Hammett ;-)

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I hate that the Debian-based systems do this. Just leave it at the damn
> number and call it a day.
>
>
>
> -
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> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 3, 2018 12:55:34 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Ubuntu distributions
>
>
> Zesty Zapus
> Artful Aardvark
> Bionic Beaver
> .
> Next version has to be c-adjactive + c-animal
>
> Where do I submit the suggestion for Crazy Crackhead?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone used one of these?

[Caleb Knauer]

I've done a lot of work with Ekahau with surveys and building the
heatmaps etc and have been happy with it.  Haven't used the Sidekick
yet, it just launched AFAIK.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Friend from Bolivia asking me for lowdown on these products...I have never
> used the Sidekick series.  Anyone?
> https://www.ekahau.com/products/sidekick/overview/

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Caleb Knauer]

And then when the wolf population gets too high, you have to introduce
bears into the area.  After that?  Landsharks.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:29 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> If you kill one or more coyotes, when they take "call" at night, there
> is suspicion that the lower number of calls can actually trigger the
> females into having larger litters.
>
> If you want to reduce coyote populations you have to balance the
> ecosystem by introducing wolves into the area...
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>> Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
>> work as a group.  Several will chase the deer for a while,
>> then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
>> The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
>> it down.  Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
>> cut they just wait it out.
>>
>>  About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
>> is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...
>>
>> --
>> Larry Smith
>> lesm...@ecsis.net
>>
>> On Wed October 25 2017 15:08, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> I would think it would take more than 3 coyotes to nail a mule deer.
>>> Although mule deer aren't particularly bright; they often run "just over
>>> the next rise", then stop because they can't see the danger anymore.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 10/25/2017 12:51 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> > Speaking of hunting, I saw three coyotes chasing a good size mule deer
>>> > as I approached McKrittick canyon cutoff Monday about 7 am on my way
>>> > to Orla,Texas.  Deer was way ahead of them.   wonder if they caught it..

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Caleb Knauer]

I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
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On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>>
>> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
>> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
>> and under a different FCC license.
>>
>> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
>> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end)
>> and dBm now on both sides.
>>
>> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make
>> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
>> That shouldn't matter, should it?
>>
>> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
>> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
>>
>> I could send screen shots I guess.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>> Are they on the same firmware?
>> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
>>
>> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to
>> one of my links.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
>>
>> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
>> of anything showing up on the other side power wise.
>>
>> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
>>
>> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
>>
>> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
>>
>> All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped
>> of course.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am
>> overlooking on these radios?
>>
>> GAAAH!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>>
>> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
>> Mute.
>>
>> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>>
>> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
>> have a pair of frequencies, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

[Caleb Knauer]

Their hospital system is one of the best in the country, and I credit
their staff with saving my mom's life twice (once with an emergency
brain surgery, the other when they found a bunch of cancer during the
setup for the brain surgery).  All levels of doctors, surgeons,
nurses, and support staff were amazing.

The actual non-medical student base is full of a bunch of
whackadoodles though ;-)
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being scarred for
> life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk.  My heck, we
> better get some bubbles for them to live in and make sure all hard surfaces
> are covered with a thick foam rubber coating.
>
> College students cannot be faced with anything unpleasant, it will damage
> them, it is a crime against humanity to encourage critical thinking.
>
>
> (Only 11% of tenured college professors rank themselves as conservative and
> most of them are over 50.  Younger conservative professors are repeatedly
> passed over for full professorships and tenured positions at a rate of 8:1
> compared to those who are openly liberal– from NPR)

Re: [AFMUG] Simple to make

[Caleb Knauer]

Less chance of a satellite installer or other nefarious character
stealing your block to use on their sled because they're too lazy to
bring their own?  Not common, not rare either.
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> That would be a bitch if you had to move/remove it.  Why not just put a
> bunch of blocks there in angle iron instead of grate?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>>
>> This is a non penetrating mount with mastit's has a meshed grid cover
>> which you fill will rocks .
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Completely OT, but I figure there's some people here into BBQ..

[Caleb Knauer]

I have an egg also, Large size.  Changed my life.  I can run a couple
of butts, or a full brisket, or a full chicken no problem but yeah you
do have a point with the size.  Look at the XL in person to see what
you think you can fit, with a rack the 6 slabs shouldn't be an issue
if you don't mind then standing up on their sides (I run my flat with
a wet baste while cooking).  Look also at the Primo XL oval shape, has
some neat features.  Both will be more flexible than a full smoker in
that you can run low and slow or super hot, but a traditional smoker
is going to hold more.

Know several guys with Traegers and they are happy with them.  Also go
to http://www.firecraft.com/ as they have all sorts of stuff if you
want some more ideas.
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:
 How much can you really fit in it though? I looked at the eggs, but they
 seemed really small. I routinely cook 6+ racks of ribs, 30 brats, chicken,
 etc..

 On 7/18/2015 11:48 AM, Matt Hardy wrote:

 I have the Big Green Egg and love it. I've smoked pulled pork a few times
 for 12+ hours.

 There are other similar ceramic grill/smokers (Primo, Komodo, etc), but the
 Egg has a big community and lots of egg'cessories ;)

 They're pretty big in the south (started in Atlanta), but people from other
 areas aren't too familiar with them.

 Maybe not as good as Chuck's $9k smoker though ;) Mmmm, meat

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 A friend of mine is pretty big into smoking and he likes that egg thing.
 Says it is easier to maintain a constant temp.
 I myself have an oven. I set the temp and it just stays there. To each his
 own.


 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 10:15 AM Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 I am currently working on a smoker that is similar to ones that sell for
 about $9K.  I will tell you how it turns out...

 -Original Message-
 From: Simon Westlake
 Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:59 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Completely OT,but I figure there's some people here into
 BBQ..

 I've been into smoking for a while, been smoking ribs, sausage and
 chicken on a cheapo, thin, Home Depot smoker for a few years. They turn
 out pretty good, but it's an all day affair of babysitting and hoping
 the weather is OK.

 I've been looking at some higher end smokers for a while and I'm torn
 between something like
 http://www.yodersmokers.com/ys640-pellet-grill.html and
 http://www.ssomd.com/backwoods-smoker-chubby, the biggest differences
 between them being one uses pellets and one is charcoal.

 I've always used charcoal but the convenience of the pellet smoker is
 pretty appealing to me as well. I've been reading reviews online and
 I've had a hard time finding info that seems unbiased, there's a lot of
 people against pellets on principle and a lot of people for them purely
 for convenience. Most of the BBQ forums are pretty religious places (in
 terms of their preferences.)

 The other problem is that, even if I pick one, there's tons and tons of
 manufacturers out there, and if I'm even going to remotely consider
 spending $1K+ on a smoker, I want it to be the best. So, anyone out
 there with experience with any of these types of units?

Re: [AFMUG] Scientists have found a seaweed that tastes like bacon

[Caleb Knauer]

I bought 4lbs of bacon at Costco yesterday. At $3.34/lb for quality thick
cut its hard to beat.

On Saturday, July 18, 2015, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   So I picked up a package at Trader Joe’s.  Sorry, I don’t see the
 appeal, it just tastes like seaweed to me.  Maybe Costco’s is better than
 TJ’s.

 I also got a package of their Wasabi flavor seaweed snacks, I’ll try
 those, but I am not optimistic.

 Maybe now I need to eat some bacon to get this seaweed taste out of my
 mouth.


  *From:* Daniel White javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','afmu...@gmail.com');
 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 7:27 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scientists have found a seaweed that tastes like
 bacon


 My kids love it too



 Thank you,



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 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Patrick
 Leary
 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 3:23 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scientists have found a seaweed that tastes like
 bacon



 At COSTCO you can buy packets of dried seaweed. They come in
 parchment-like form, about 2”x 4”. They are surprisingly tasty. BUT, your
 pets will go nuts for them. My Aussie and Weimaraner pooches will eat
 anything gently from my fingers….except these. They’ll damn near take off
 my hand for these. Oddly, my kids are the same, even my picky 9 year old
 son.



 Patrick Leary, Telrad

 727-501-3735



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Simon
 Westlake
 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 4:11 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scientists have found a seaweed that tastes like
 bacon



 I read about this last night and there were comments from people that had
 the marketer of this product at college. Apparently, he is a very good
 marketer, and it also tastes nothing like bacon (other than the fact that
 it is salty.)

 I watched a video of the products they're making with dulse and they say
 'it tastes like bacon' then proceed to batter it, deep fry it, mix it with
 peanuts and chocolate and other things.. you'd think if it tasted like
 bacon, they would sell it as a bacon replacement, not mix it into peanut
 brittle.

 On 7/17/2015 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

   Actually, since the article says they fry it up, I’m imagining it would
 be thin, light and crispy, maybe even pleasantly greasy.  Sounds yummy.



 And if they can powder it, anything could taste like bacon.



 Now they need seaweed that tastes like cheese.  So we could have vegan
 bacon cheese fries.  I keep looking at the Baconator Fries at Wendy’s.
 They look very unhealthy.  And tasty.  Maybe with a Frosty.





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 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 12:28 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scientists have found a seaweed that tastes like
 bacon



 Can’t be any worse than most hotel buffet bacon - that lovely soggy greasy
 stuff.



 Mark



  On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Jason McKemie 
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote:



 I can't imagine the texture is there, however.

 On Friday, July 17, 2015, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net'); wrote:

  I may retire the HoHo’s.




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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why?

[Caleb Knauer]

The sales pitches I've seen push the green aspect, you use a lot less
power with PON than you do running a bunch of SFP switches, plus reduced
install costs and cable management without all the full home runs.  But you
only save money with really big installs from what I've seen.

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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

  But Why?  I understand Long haul PON for FTTH, to conserve miles and
 miles of trunk fiber, but why in a building?  Instead of having a single
 device (a switch) you now have active hardware all over the building to
 manage and maintain (And power).


 On 6/23/2015 10:08 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 PON looks to be where people are going for fiber to the desktop.



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 *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:49:14 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why?

 We just had a new public library built here in town.  The entire LAN
 infrastructure is built on PON using the Tellabs ONT's.
 http://www01.tellabs.com/products/tellabs1100ont.shtml  I've briefly
 looked around their site, and read some case studies, but Why would you
 choose PON infrastructure in a single building?  From what I can tell,
 you still have to run CAT 5 to the ONT for power, and the 4 port units
 (which I saw several around the library) have a wall-wort and a power
 switch.  I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the concept, other
 than someone make a slick presentation, and someone else got a nice
 payoff.  I wouldn't be surprised of the Latter, every single 120v outlet
 in the building is a 20A duplex receptacle with USB Ports (~$30 each)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Grandstream Cameras

[Caleb Knauer]

Do these users ever want to change their settings (SSID/WPA key/IP
range etc)?  Do you do it for them?  Obviously you want to use the MT
b/c it's a better product than the consumer options, is that how you
sell it to them?
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 I wonder about that.  We’re starting to get more residential takers on
 leasing a Mikrotik.  We ship them with UPNP disabled and since they are
 remotely managed can easily enable it upon request.  Have not had to turn a
 single one on yet.  Maybe the intersection of people with Xboxes and people
 who lease routers is the null set?  Hard to believe.


 From: Mathew Howard
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 5:00 PM
 To: af
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Grandstream Cameras

 but... anything that makes me not have to deal with people whining about
 their xbox NAT issues can't be all bad.

 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 UPNP = evil

 Here, cheap piece of crap from China, do whatever you want with my
 firewall, and no need to tell me.


 From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:17 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Grandstream Cameras

 It's definitely a NAT issue. Does your router support UPNP? Did you enable
 it in Settings-Network Settings-Advanced Settings?

 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 I could post a pic if I could get into the system.  (Not on site most of
 the time).

 From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:18 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Grandstream Cameras

 Can you post a pic of the camera during the day and of it washed out at
 night? We've had to tweek the video settings
 on some of the cameras.

 If you have an Android phone/tablet, you can download their free app to
 view your cameras remotely. We have Apple and use the IP Cam Viewer app
 which is nice.

 I'll look into the remote DVR issue for you.

 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 OK, bought a couple of the more expensive grandstream cameras and their
 DVR device.
 The cameras are really washed out by our security lights at night.  I
 got the expensive night IR model hoping to capture traffic at night.  But
 the ambient light is too much for the BW IR mode and not enough for 
 regular
 color daylight mode.

 The thing that really bugs me is our inability to see the video
 remotely.  If on site it works OK but if I log into the DVR it allows 
 access
 but the screen is just black.  No camera video is visible.  Grandstream has
 not been helpful.

 So, shall I try another brand of camera?  Have not tried any of the UBNT
 stuff.  I have a cheap system from Harbor Freight that while is extremely
 low res and has noise on some of the channels actually works well enough 
 for
 many things.  (If nothing more than scaring away bad guys by the presence 
 of
 the cameras.)

Re: [AFMUG] inSSIDer Office

[Caleb Knauer]

Was looking at this the other day.  Now if you go to
http://www.metageek.com/products/office/ it says it's $249.  That
should give you the basic channel scanning tools plus the tiny
spectrum analyzer dongle and SA functionality.  Cleaner and faster
than using airView, not sure if it's worth it for you.  Been using the
regular inssider 4 for a while now and it works fine.  Chanalyzer and
stuff came with our Ekahau suite in my last gig but didn't use it much
but seemed fine.
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On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 I was looking at inSSIDer Office from Metageek for installers to
 troubleshoot customer WiFi issues, but I realized the price shot up to
 something like $650 to cover both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  The product seems slicker
 than just using a Nanostation and airView, but the price difference is like
 10X.

 Anybody using it and is it actually worth that kind of money?  I guess you
 can spend another 10X that and more on a Fluke.

 For the time being I downloaded the free Xirrus app.  Way less functionality
 and not as slick, but free.  Well, free in exchange for getting on their
 mailing list.

Re: [AFMUG] inSSIDer Office

[Caleb Knauer]

Ah, ouch.  Good catch.
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On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 I was ready to cough up the $249 until I realized that dongle only does 2.4
 GHz.
 That might have worked 10 years ago.
 The dual band dongle is quite a bit more expensive.


 -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer
 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 7:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] inSSIDer Office

 Was looking at this the other day.  Now if you go to
 http://www.metageek.com/products/office/ it says it's $249.  That
 should give you the basic channel scanning tools plus the tiny
 spectrum analyzer dongle and SA functionality.  Cleaner and faster
 than using airView, not sure if it's worth it for you.  Been using the
 regular inssider 4 for a while now and it works fine.  Chanalyzer and
 stuff came with our Ekahau suite in my last gig but didn't use it much
 but seemed fine.
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 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I was looking at inSSIDer Office from Metageek for installers to
 troubleshoot customer WiFi issues, but I realized the price shot up to
 something like $650 to cover both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  The product seems
 slicker
 than just using a Nanostation and airView, but the price difference is
 like
 10X.

 Anybody using it and is it actually worth that kind of money?  I guess you
 can spend another 10X that and more on a Fluke.

 For the time being I downloaded the free Xirrus app.  Way less
 functionality
 and not as slick, but free.  Well, free in exchange for getting on their
 mailing list.

Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here?

[Caleb Knauer]

3.65 450?

Crazy performance.  Let us know what it does with the final install.

Sweet truck too. Lots of truck talk lately. Thinking I need some new
wheels.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 Correct telrad -108 would be a -78 for canopy/epmp/ubnt

 I was amazed because we couldn't see the tower, it's skimming a hill and
 going thru a bush while sitting in the truck at ground level.  We tried 450
 from the roof and couldn't get a signal.

 -Sean


 On Saturday, June 13, 2015, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com'); wrote:

   I think Patrick said to add 30 dB to Telrad signal numbers because
 they were “per subcarrier” or something?

  *From:* Colin Stanners
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:17 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here?

  Patrick, I haven't been following Telrad but that's too incredible - I
 can't see how -108, which is below the noise floor for any reasonable
 channel bandwidth (20mhz+?) could get any reasonable speed, much less
 those.

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com
 wrote:

  Should I resist sharing this sort of thing? If it's out of line, let
 me know Chuck.



 -Original Message-
 From: telrad-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:telrad-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Discher
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:51 PM
 To: tel...@wispa.org
 Subject: [Telrad] Another Telrad success story



 Not to flood the list with these but Zirkel is having great results.








 

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Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?

[Caleb Knauer]

24GHz has been done but not exactly off the shelf parts.
http://www.ve1alq.com/24ghz_eme_r3.pdf

On Friday, June 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 It's not rare at all and done on several bands.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');
 *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 3:45:06 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?

 How is that possible?!  What wavelength is it?  What use does it get?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Yes. A guy I used to work for takes his vacations with a small group.
 They rent a sail boat and set up on a remote island somewhere with solar
 panels and HAM equipment to do moon bounces. They get extra points because
 they're solar powered (and presumably also because they're bouncing off the
 moon). Simplex transmission distance is ~~ 500,000 miles.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 6/12/2015 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never heard
 of the Ham stuff...is that true?






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Re: [AFMUG] LA Times - LAX approves contract to upgrade airport Wi-Fi

[Caleb Knauer]

Was there yesterday and it was terrible.  The whole airport is a bit of a
mess.

On Saturday, June 6, 2015, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

 I want 300 at home.  Dont know why I need it but I will be a cool dude.

 http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-83714083/

 Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI

[Caleb Knauer]

You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford
Aruba ;-)

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well J



 My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some
 stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network
 side of things).  There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear
 out there – just a speculative guess.  When it comes to major players, many
 of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in.



 It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never
 seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and
 websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems.
 Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place
 in my travels.  Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all
 locations were Cisco.  Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco.  Visited
 several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper
 at one of them.  Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used.



 This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if
 we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks
 we have limited time to spend testing stuff.  I know that we can drop Cisco
 into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort.



 Paul







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 As Mike said… the IBM strategy.  The old world thinking was no one ever
 got fired for buying IBM.  No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco.  Those
 certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools…
 you buy what you know.



 Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco.  I
 pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much
 Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the
 business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more
 Ubiquiti.



 Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best
 fit for every situation (even though it may work).



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 Very well said .. I like your summary ….



 The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed.  Anytime I’m
 at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to
 see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it).  While I’m sure Ruckus
 and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff
 deployed.   This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the
 Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road
 doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI



 I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one
 was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are
 champions of the Wifi Space.



 I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of
 them make high-end and low-end stuff as well.



 The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of
 them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used,
 the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and
 parameters.



 The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can
 say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream
 Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature
 built in. It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a
 combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty
 much any configuration, combination you like



 Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very
 much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to
 accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular
 feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using,
 because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features.



 Regards.



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


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 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: 

Re: [AFMUG] AirGateway Pro and 250W MicroInverter

[Caleb Knauer]

Low power AC/DC inverter with single 2.4 radio and a French label, assuming
it's for the West African market for some power needs and the radio is for
telemetry?  Kind of an odd duck, doesn't follow any of their previous model
textures, assuming it's for a big integration project or government.
Pulling this all out of my rear however.

airGateway PRO has two radios it looks like, as both bands are certified
and following their PRO naming convention.  Or maybe a single dual band
radio.

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 So what do you guys think these are? Dual polarity airGateway?

 http://fccid.net/document.php?id=2612201#axzz3a1HcBvIS

 http://fccid.net/number.php?fcc=SWX-AMGPROid=849132#axzz3a1HcBvIS



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Re: [AFMUG] Voltage\Amperage on Shielded Cable

[Caleb Knauer]

I feel like piss on it makes up around half of Steve's troubleshooting
flowchart solutions.

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:00 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bbdge and finding the squirrels nest and pissing in it resolved our
 squirrel issues
 On May 11, 2015 6:47 PM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:

  Yeah,
  thats the ticket !!


 On 5/11/2015 8:26 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Set up a roadside squirrel stand like the squirrel lady in the movie
 “Rat Race”.

 “You should have bought a squirrel.”


  *From:* David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com
 *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2015 6:48 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Voltage\Amperage on Shielded Cable

  make a large funnel with a deep enclosure for the funnel to fit on top
 of so the base of the funnel is inside the drum/enclosure.
 place some peanut butter in the base of the drum and coat the inside of
 the funnel with teflon oh and yes be sure the
 base of the funnel has a large enough hole big enough to allow them to
 get in and it must have a neck on the funnel.
 Give them  a  plank to walk over the funnel.
 This way the little suckers will fall into the drum and if its deep
 enough cant get out.
 Or you could get some of the larger rodent traps at farm supply that do
 the same thing accept they lay flat on the ground
 I dont like catching the big ones that are larger than the trap cuz they
 get a little angry.


 On 5/10/2015 11:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I think I'm going to set out some live traps tomorrow and relocate them.
 I guess the farmer hates the squirrels being there, s  now they
 won't be.



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 *From: *Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
 mhoward...@gmail.com
 *To: *af mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 11:19:07 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Voltage\Amperage on Shielded Cable

 Conduit would probably be the most practical fix, but shooting the little
 vermin would be so much more satisfying...

 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  I don't even know what you're saying anymore. You said to run conduit.
 I said it would be expensive and complicated, but agreed. You then said
 conduit would be cheaper in the long run as if I disagreed (when I didn't).
 I confirmed that I agreed. You kept posting as if I was disagreeing with
 you, but I'm not.



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  *From: *Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 4:36:20 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Voltage\Amperage on Shielded Cable

 Not if you count labor and opportunity cost it isn't

  On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  I did say it would be cheaper to run conduit than to keep running
 cable.

 http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=104


 http://www.sportsmansguide.com/productlist/ammo-shooting/rifle-ammo/22lr-ammo?d=121c=96s=2886



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 *From: *Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 4:12:06 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Voltage\Amperage on Shielded Cable

 Depend on if you want a bigger CAPEX or a bigger OPEX

 I prefer a bigger capital expense and a smaller operating expense.  I
 don't like visiting POPs over and over to fix stuff.

 2 cents

 -Sean


 On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  That sounds expensive and complicated, though less so than running
 new wires all of the time. TBH, I'd rather just sit there and shoot them
 all than run conduit up the grain leg.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

[Caleb Knauer]

Wow it's like a postcard for WISPs.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey, I have actual tower sites too.  I just prefer to keep my backhaul
 wind load off of the tower.  Here is my latest creation...

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote:

 Jeremy's towers are like 10 or 20 feet on top of a building or high up
 land.

 Not to mention the conversion kits aren't even necessary.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jeremysmi...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Luckily I already completed most of our AF5X conversions that were on a
 tower.  These adapters are for some upcoming deployments on Rocket dishes
 that we have in stock.

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@spitwspots.com'); wrote:

  These are *not* really made for doing on a tower. The screws and
 threads are too small.

 Josh Reynolds
 CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com

 On 05/05/2015 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns
 me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes
 that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get
 out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on
 a tower.

 That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't
 seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic
 cover over the back...

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jeremysmi...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off
 and putting back on the raydomes.  It appears that is not an issue with
 these, as it is actually the back that you replace.  Cool!

 Oooo, look what just arrived!  Now if only the next batch of AF5X
 would arrive
  On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jeremysmi...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not
 sure yet.  These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns.

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com'); wrote:

   What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also
 converts to dual slant)?

 I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though?


  *From:* Jeremy
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jeremysmi...@gmail.com');
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X


 Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use
 the top two pins.
  They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS
 connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you 
 want.
 There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method 
 of
 mounting.




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 *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','samtaos...@gmail.com');
 *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

 Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would
 I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios?

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can
 also be a significant advantage in some cases.

 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler 
 jon-ispli...@michwave.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jon-ispli...@michwave.net'); wrote:

  In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for
 the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com'); wrote:

   I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as
 an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen.

 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
 geo...@cbcast.com
 

Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS

[Caleb Knauer]

Fill trunk and back seat with powerwalls.  Drive forever.

They're about to open a dealer/service center just down the road from
the office.  I'm not in the market but I look forward to checking
stuff out.

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Tesla S is cool.  Being able to drive 3-4 hours and not be stuck for 8 is
 better.  Once they get more charging stations (at least in major cities,
 come on!) I can see it being available to way more people.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Wow… that is really interesting … I looked at putting solar at my house
 before and the number of panels, the cost etc didn’t make it worthwhile.  I
 was quoted $25k in panels at the time … think I may revisit though and get
 additional quotes ;)



 BTW – a friend of mine has a Tesla S and loves it… I’m seriously
 considering one now as well



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
 Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 11:31 AM


 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS



 I don’t know how many cycles it can handle, but max draw per pack is 2kW
 continuous, 3.3kW peak.

 http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall



 Chris Wright

 Network Administrator

 Velociter Wireless

 209-838-1221 x115



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
 Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 10:38 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS



 I would want to run it DC, but it ain't bad. We're paying in the
 neighborhood of $1500 for about 5KWh with SLA batteries, so this would be a
 serious consideration.

 I'd like to know what the maximum draw-down is, and how many
 charge/discharge cycles, etc. etc.

 bp

 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



 On 5/1/2015 10:20 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:

 I want to see more specs, but a 10kWh AC UPS for $3500.. �that�s a
 decent price.

 �

 http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall

 �

 Peter Kranz
 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 �

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

[Caleb Knauer]

If you had written permission to remove something that wasn't yours, then
should be pretty clean cut case.  If you didn't, and especially if the
previous owner had an abandonment clause where anything they abandon goes
to the tower owner, then things could get messy.

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:

  We are investigating that also.  We have our attorney drafting them a
 letter telling them they are about to pay us a whole bunch of money doing
 it.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2015 7:44 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?



 definitely sounds like a good reason to look into breaking your contract
 and go elsewhere



 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
 wrote:

 I did but he isn’t being reasonable.  This guy wanted to file theft
 charges against us for stealing his property off the tower.   We do have a
 contract.  We just have to add a clause that says we can take stuff off
 that’s older than my dog, not plugged in, has damaged cables, and the
 company has long since gone to the big corporation in the sky.  At this
 point though, we are going over his head.  I’m thinking if he is this
 psychotic with us, his board might be getting tired of him.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2015 7:29 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?



 offer to provide him a replacement radio, not cash



 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:53 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com
 wrote:

 Tell him to go after the guy that left there to take up space all those
 years it wasnt in use.

 This is why we have an agreement or contract signed before anything or any
 work happens on our towers.



 On 5/3/2015 10:56 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  No.� We didn�t even check though.�

 �

 This guys is too uninformed to have any idea what the equipment is worth
 but when I said they were worth $1000, that�s all he heard.� He
 didn�t hear the part where I said 10 years ago and he isn�t listening
 to reason.

 �

 Rory

 �

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *David Milholen
 *Sent:* Sunday, May 3, 2015 8:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

 �

 got any lightning damaged units or panels?
 hmm,

 On 5/3/2015 7:57 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

 I took one off a tower and threw it away along with the very large 900MHz
 sector antenna.� It was disconnected and the company that put it up there
 is out of business.� However, the tower manager thinks I should reimburse
 him for it.� ��

 �

 *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 602-426-0542*

 *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net*

 *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/*

 *�*

 *�There is only one way in this world to avoid criticism: do nothing,
 say nothing, and be nothing.� - Aristotle*

 �

 �

 --



 --





 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Miami Laptop Emergency

[Caleb Knauer]

There are Tiger Direct stores in Miami, better selection than wally world.
Odds are slim you'll find a latitude or thinkpad in retail.

Another option is macbook pro with a windows vm or bootcamp ;-)

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 I have a friend in Miami, leftover from the MUM. Where's a place he could
 buy a new laptop. Something along the lines of a Thinkpad or Latitude.
 Something business class.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

  https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix

Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

[Caleb Knauer]

I've not been nailed too badly yet, but I've seen some crazy stuff pop
up on peoples screens as they were loading up presentations.  My
favorite are emails with pop up notifications in outlook where you can
glance the first few lines, seen some juicy stuff.  I make it a
practice to shut down all email, IM, etc before going live.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
 hahaha

 I hate those situations.



 - Original Message -
 From: D. Ryan Spott
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 1:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

 I was giving a presentation to about 20 VPs at a large company and my wife
 sent me an IM about a customer that popped up on my screen.

 I am going to that male appendage's house now. Hopefully he moved his
 jerkins and tissue away from his computer

 I froze like a deer in headlights. Then explained that my wife owned and
 ISP. The VPs giggled during the ENTIRE presentation.

 ryan


 On 4/23/15 6:49 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

 ROFL .. ok, have to share this…

 Was just coming out a meeting where I was presenting some information on
 boardroom monitors.  Forgot my email is open and my Outlook pops up in the
 corner with an email notification “Erection Fun… Push it, Push it Real Good”

 Note to self – close email when doing presentations haha

 ;)

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:27 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

 Push it, push it real good.

 From: Jaime Solorza

 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:28 PM

 To: Animal Farm

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

 Driving the rod

 Jaime Solorza

 On Apr 22, 2015 8:22 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Yeah, didn’t any of you have an Erector Set as a kid?

 From: Jaime Solorza

 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:01 PM

 To: Animal Farm

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erection fun

 Tower erection IS the proper term.  And how about this big pole?

 Jaime Solorza

 On Apr 22, 2015 7:57 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Stop porning the list

 On Apr 22, 2015 7:56 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

 One done one to go

 Jaime Solorza


 --
 D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
 broadband | telco | colo | community
 PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284
 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net

Re: [AFMUG] GigE-APC Availabilty

[Caleb Knauer]

Once it's on the boat, it's pretty easy to give a date +/- a few days
barring any calamity.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 Earlier this month I needed to restock on NS Loco M5, Baltic was showing
 dates out in May, Streakwave said they had some coming into SLC on April 14
 so I placed the order with them.  They shipped on April 14.  So based on a
 sample size of 1, no LSD or crystal meth in the equation.


 From: Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:40 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE-APC Availabilty

 That dude smokes way too much crack.  Whoever thinks that Ubiquiti has a
 solid delivery date is on some sort of concoction of LSD and blue crystal
 meth.

 Never had a problem with SLC Streakwave and WB stuff that I can recall.  If
 I did, just call another one.  Streakwave seems to operate on a very thin
 level of stocking for some things.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 FWIW, my rep at Streakwave seems reluctant to backorder WB stuff even if
 they have an expected delivery date, my read is he doesn’t believe they will
 have stock until it shows up on their dock, and doesn’t want to promise a
 date he’s not confident in.  He has no such qualms about Cambium or
 Ubiquiti.

 I usually throw my Ubiquiti and Mikrotik orders to Baltic since they’re
 local, but lately everything I want is on backorder, so I’m starting to look
 elsewhere.  1-2 weeks out is not a problem, 4-5 weeks or more is a problem.

 Back to WB, recently I needed some more of their PRM4 chassis with the DIN
 clips, couldn’t find them, decided to just order the standard APC ones and
 put my own clips on them.


 From: Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 8:25 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE-APC Availabilty

 s/Ubnt/manufacturer/

 Didn't mean to solo them out, but the big ones are Ubnt, WB, MT.

 Oddly enough I've never had a Cambium shortage, but I definitely don't
 order a fair volume for a good comparison.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does UBNT have to do with it?  These are WBMFG products.

 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Streakwave seems to be the first to be out every time.  I think they
 just don't order enough and/or Ubnt doesn't let them order enough.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yeah, we haven't been able to get them from Streakwave lately either.
 You can try LMG as well.

 On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Jason McKemie
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 I'll give them a shout tomorrow.  Thanks.

 On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
 geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

 Got some from WAV a couple weeks ago.


 On 4/23/2015 9:10 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 Streakwave is telling me 3-4 weeks on availability, anyone know of
 somewhere that has stock?

 -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Illegal 18ghz links on a new site

[Caleb Knauer]

Yep, don't invite The Man into your life if you can avoid it.  If you need
an 18Ghz path, file away, follow the rules, and if you see interference
when you set it up then use your coordinator to start the hammer process.
If there is noise it will be *real* obvious right after you get it dialed
in as the link will fall on its face.  Odds are the coordinator will get it
figured out before you get that far though.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Anytime you get the FCC involved, you will get the FCC involved – in
 your life too.

  *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:29 AM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Illegal 18ghz links on a new site

  I'd try contacting them before I did anything else, it's a lot more
 likely that they just screwed up the licensing (or completely forgot to
 file it) than that they're intentionally running illegally. If it turns out
 that they did just throw the links up and not bother to license them, then
 it might teach them a good lesson to get the FCC involved...

 On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   +1
 Don’t try to cause trouble at the FCC.  You will regret it.

  *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:54 PM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Illegal 18ghz links on a new site

   I'd guess that it might be one they just forgot to submit the license
 for after a PCN.

 I'd just give them a holler and let them know that you couldn't find it
 in the FCC license database and was wondering if it had been coordinated
 recently.

 -forrest

 On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
 wrote:

 Hey guys,

 We've been looking at a new site for the last 12 months now and finally
 got to climb it last week to do the survey. 9 months ago from the ground,
 we could see two SAF licensed links up there but upon searching the FCC
 database, could not identify any licensed links on this site. I figured
 maybe they were in process and don't show up right away. Anyway, fast
 forward to today and we climbed and saw the links are 18GHz links and have
 the company's sticker on there we thought they belonged to. We checked the
 FCC database and found all their other licensed links and confirmed they're
 accurate and used their exact spelling and FRN to search all the licensed
 links and none of them correspond to their two SAF radio on this site that
 have been installed and running for 9 months now. So to sum up, their other
 licensed links are registered and correct but the two links on this site do
 not show up anywhere.

 What would be the best course of action to see if there's something
 wrong here? This WISP has not been friendly to us in the past and I just
 want to make sure their links don't interfere with ours if they're
 illegally operating in licensed bands. Thank you

 --
  Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
 http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi




 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian
 http://facebook.com/packetflux  http://twitter.com/@packetflux

Re: [AFMUG] SCADA tower

[Caleb Knauer]

So the base sticks down below the concrete at the bottom and sits in the
gravel so it can drain out?

On Thursday, April 16, 2015, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Plenty of gravel at base of pit. 4000 psi concrete mix for this area.
 Lots of caliche in area.   Rebar cage.  Not touching tower ...Dottie taped
 tower bottom section in concrete. ..did I miss anything?

 Jaime Solorza
 On Apr 16, 2015 2:17 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com'); wrote:

  Probably works just fine as long as the bottom drain is set up properly.
 However, you're kinda screwed if something damages that base section.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 4/16/2015 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  That’s what it looks like to me too.

  *From:* Bill Prince
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 1:11 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA tower

  That looks like a regular 10' section with the bottom half in the
 concrete (JMO)...

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 4/16/2015 11:43 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Is that an official base section or just a regular section?

  *From:* Jaime Solorza
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 12:23 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] SCADA tower


 Two bases done.   6 mast supports done.Weather might slow us down.
 Oh well

 Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Weird network issue

[Caleb Knauer]

Maybe dot is easier to say?

On Friday, April 10, 2015, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   And why is it called a dot?

 This is my theory, back when we had analog long distance trunks (single
 side band running on open wire on glass insulators, yes I go back that
 far), we had to align each channel 4 times a year.  Probably took 15
 different adjustments per trunk and we had several dozen trunks.  We called
 it carrier line ups.  Took a Bell guy on the far end and we would swap
 tones to each other and both of us would make the same audio and RF
 adjustments in sync with each other.

 So all day long, I would say things like “I am sending –16” and he would
 say I am receiving “plus 7.3”  but the words were “seven dot two”.  I
 thought it was odd initially but soon found that the entire telecom world
 did not say point when doing decimal.  And since the original internet
 connections were entirely telecom folks doing the work, I think they are
 the ones that started saying dot for IP addresses.

 That’s my theory and I’m stickin’ to it.

  *From:* Adam Moffett
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');
 *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2015 7:25 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird network issue

  Nah, it's just a matter of where you put the dots

 815-321-8221
 81.53.218.221

 So apparently area codes start at 201 in the US, so I have 54 area codes
 to start from.

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thatoneguyst...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 damn 815 areacode

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cknauer.li...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 I just realized that my next personal nerd goal to to get a phone number
 and personal webpage IP to be the same, and also that my goals are sad and
 I should feel bad.

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); wrote:

   star

  *From:* Caleb Knauer
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cknauer.li...@gmail.com');
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2015 8:17 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird network issue

  How do you dial the .? ;)

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@spitwspots.com'); wrote:

 I get so tired after days of not getting enough sleep (damn kids) that
 I've literally tried to call my wife by dialing the IP of our CPE on the
 roof.

 I kid you not.

 Josh Reynolds
 CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com

 On 04/09/2015 05:15 PM, David Milholen wrote:

 I do or I get postal :)



 On 4/9/2015 3:56 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:

 Pfft!  Who needs sleep? :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Adam 
 Moffett
 Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 4:11 PM
 To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird network issue



 Yeah I'll see if they're game for that.  I would have thought of that 
 myself if they didn't make me get up at 3am :)


  Only a quick suggestion.. on the 2811, setup a /30 or something routable 
 for testing... plugin directly on that port with IP/gateway and DNS - see 
 if issue is still there. Then at least you know if it's in the ASA or 
 not



 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Adam 
 Moffett
 Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 7:06 AM
 To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 Subject: [AFMUG] Weird network issue

 I have a customer who uses us as a backup path to the internet. They have 
 BGP sessions with us and another provider, and we just stack a few 
 prepends on the routes they send us and re-advertise them.

 When their primary connection is out, they report having partial 
 connectivity.  We just had a two hour test window where their primary 
 connection was shut off on purpose so that we could test. The other 
 provider and I spent a ton of time going over BGP and routing stuff and 
 finally concluded, gee, it should be working.

 After we gave up looking for a routing problem that isn't there, we did 
 some more basic testing and really the only thing I can conclude 
 definitely doesn't work when they fail over to us is DNS.  Using nslookup 
 they get no response from any DNS servers.

 They have a Cisco 2811 running BGP, but that connects to an ASA, and 
 everything on their LAN is behind the ASA.

 I asked for copies of the configs on the 2811 and the ASA, but I'm not 
 even sure what I'm looking for yet.  Any brilliant ideas?



 --









 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: British Columbia project vehicle

[Caleb Knauer]

I'd paint it OD green or black or something and roll all over the place.

On Monday, April 6, 2015, e...@kuhnke-international.com 
e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:

   Yes... Holds a great deal more internal volume than a jeep with the
 seats out.

  In BC with constant rain much more useful than a pickup with a canopy.

  I can fit a full height 42U x 38 depth rack cabinet in it laying down.
   On April 6, 2015 at 9:59 AM Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','p...@paulstewart.org'); wrote:
 
 
  Better than a truck or jeep? Looks are deceiving obviously ... ;)
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Eric
 Kuhnke
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 12:01 AM
  To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: British Columbia project vehicle
 
  For mountain/hilltop tower sites in BC and rural areas.
 
  Mitsubishi Delica L300, right hand drive Japanese model.
 
  2.5L I4 turbo diesel, engine is located between the front seats, good
 weight distribution. Similar drive train to the same year of Mitsubishi
 Pajero.
 
  2 lift kit, new shocks
 
  New 31 x 10.5 AT tires
 
  Tons of room in the back with the rear seats removed. Weird Japanese
 features like electric window shades over the sunroof windows.
 
 
  To do: roof rack, light bar, full size spare mount on rear hatch 
  stronger rear gas struts for rear hatch. Add relays and console switches
  for miscellaneous things like USB 4-outlet charger, dash cam, 300W true
  sinewave inverter.
 
  These are legal to import and drive in Canada if they are at least 15
  years old. Needs to be 25 years old to register one in the US (NHTSA,
  DOT, US CBP, etc).
 
  --
  Eric Kuhnke
  e...@kuhnke-international.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','e...@kuhnke-international.com');
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Destructive testing

[Caleb Knauer]

I was thinking the same thing

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Not sure I'd be standing that close at 1500 pounds...or 3000+ pounds...


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 About 1500 lbs.

 From: Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 1:45 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Destructive testing

 240p? =(

 At what point did the bolt heads start bending?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:40 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 M-TOW-P2-24
 https://youtu.be/YIOSE8i6dCg

 Had some fun today...

Re: [AFMUG] Shenanigans

[Caleb Knauer]

You: Any problems with the Johnson install?
Tech: Nope!

I do admire the tenacity however.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net
wrote:

  Reminding operators to Q.C. their tech's work.
 Fortunately this has held up for nearly a year as-is.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Why are External Hard Drives so Cheap?

[Caleb Knauer]

I think the internal drives are typically slower and with less cache
but I've done no research lately so this opinion is worth little.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:
 Why does it seem like the $/Gig are way less on external drives than
 internal drives?  Aren't they basically a regular hard drive in an
 enclosure?

 Best Buy has a 3tb External Drive with Ethernet (they call it a NAS) for
 $80, Cheapest price for a 3tb Internal Drive on Amazon is $85

 4tb External Drives are $90, Amazon has Internals for $130

Re: [AFMUG] Tower owner new to the business - wants $$

[Caleb Knauer]

They may also be thinking they can make a lot more money with cell
stuff being added later, so maybe find some info relaying how not much
cell gear will go that high in your area.  Basically, the top section
is not a big money maker for them.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:


 We have an ideal tower location with nothing else really close that we can
 use.  500+ guyed tower, with the upper 150 feet and lower 100 feet basically
 clear.  It has 4 ½ levels of cell gear between 100 ft. and 180 feet, so has
 a decent wind load on it.



 It’s the only tower this family owns and they don’t really understand WISPs.
 I gave examples of American Tower 4WISP pricing and the yada yada on our
 equipment being light etc. etc.



 Their shot across the bow is $ 1500/month for 6 sectors at 350feet and 2 BHs
 around 60 feet.



 I have to build a strong case to submit for the executor of an estate to
 pass upstream.



 What is the typical weight of a “standard” cell company array, including the
 out-riggers, etc.?  Usually they have 3 good size sectors on each side.   I
 want to contrast that to our equipment



 Paul, PDMNet

Re: [AFMUG] PMP540: what is XO trim?

[Caleb Knauer]

It's mentioned that you should call support if you see it a lot here:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Available/m-p/38153#M428

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
 I saw these entries in a PMP450 (5 GHz) this morning, and have no idea what
 it's trying to tell me. Firmware is 13.2. Anyone know?

 03/18/2015 : 09:12:04 PDT : :XO trim at min diff=-2471 c=7 cmove=-16 f=8058
 fmove=-71
 03/18/2015 : 13:26:14 PDT : :XO trim at max diff=4509 c=35 cmove=30 f=41
 fmove=9


 --

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla

[Caleb Knauer]

They sure do look good too.

On Saturday, March 21, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:

   Same here. Two friends with them. I ride in one. Unfriggin' believable
 acceleration, fit and finish. Best cars they've ever owned and the Tesla
 people have been like having personal concierges.

  *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
  On Mar 21, 2015 1:32 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com'); wrote:
   We have several friends with Teslas (both the original roadster and the
 model S). The roadster was somewhat of a curiosity, and I think they are
 great, if a bit eclectic.

 However, every one we know with an S claims it is the best car they have
 ever owned. I don't know if it's vanity, or what, but they sure do like
 their S.

 I personally think it's just a bit too soon to buy an electric car. In
 the next couple of years I expect some major movement in battery
 technology.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 3/21/2015 10:24 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
  On 3/21/15 10:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
  I am waiting for the model 3 before I will  consider switching to Tesla.
  Then they will have three to pick from   S3X
  They wanted to call the new one the E model.  Not sure who shot it down
  but someone did.
 
 
 
  Oh I'd take a Model S in a heartbeat. But I can't afford to drop
  $100k+ on one. A Model 3 is more likely.
 
  ~Seth





 
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 PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals  computer
 viruses.

 








 
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 PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals  computer
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Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Caleb Knauer]

Use 300lbs?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 How do you replace things then?!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 20, 2015 2:29 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 Scotch extreme double sided tape from home depot is some incredible stuff.
 One square inch will hold like 200lbs

 On Mar 20, 2015 11:26 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I've tried that stuff here and there.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it
 falls apart (the adhesive, not the finger/loop).


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:

 using the walmart Velcro brand, says its industrial adhesive


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110


 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Are you using the 3M super duty stuff?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:

 lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in
 Alabama 10 years ago!


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110


 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 #justOhioThings


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
 wrote:

 I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for
 8+ years.


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110


 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a
 LOT of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 wrote:

 We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com
 wrote:

 Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?

 Tim

Re: [AFMUG] Severe solar storm today

[Caleb Knauer]

All these curvy NC/VA/WV/TN hill roads are great fun until you're
running them in the service vehicles.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Absolutely, the best.  2 months away from the next haul out there!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 19, 2015 9:26 AM, Rex-List Account xorex63l...@gmail.com wrote:

 318 curves in 11 miles and one Dragon!

 Lots of fun.



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Severe solar storm today



 Oh yes :). Miles and miles.  Topped off with 318 curves in 11 miles.  Sad
 part is I was taking it easy with a friend behind me.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 19, 2015 9:10 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 NC?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 

 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:09:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Severe solar storm today

 Right, my average was more like 35mph.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mar 19, 2015 12:04 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 But you don't need to drive 140mph to take advantage of slotted rotors...
 I've warped many non-slotted/drilled rotors...



 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 NAPA has slotted rotors for my truck:
 http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Brake-Rotor-Only-Rear-Reactive-One-Hi-Perf/_/R-UBPRA86828_0480127640

 Trucks probably take advantage of drilled\slotted more regularly than cars
 due to cars not regularly doing 140 mph on the road, but trucks regularly
 have to stop heavy loads.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 

 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:25:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Severe solar storm today

 Truck?  Trucks don't typically have slotted and/or drilled rotors.




 https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sd728u5f12s8xg/1002317_10201683981571520_1630097332_n.jpg?dl=0




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What kind of truck

 Jaime Solorza

 On Mar 18, 2015 5:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 That's cute.  Here's mine =)



 http://i.imgur.com/NCvS6gL.jpg




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 After.   Saw two videos on how to it.  Bought wheel hub 115.00. 1 hour
 wearing my mechanic hat...voila.   brakes next week.  Rain coming

 Jaime Solorza

 On Mar 18, 2015 12:53 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote:

 A ha!



 Explains our morning

 Jerry


 On Mar 17, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

 We started losing subs on 4 of 7 sectors in 5 GHz today right about the
 time this thing was hitting.  This happens to be on a site where the RF
 conditions are challenging anyway.  I was baffled until our tower manager
 sent me this story.


 http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/03/17/severe-solar-storm-hitting-earth/24930105/

 --



 bp

 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[Caleb Knauer]

So the only difference is the SU count?  If so, that's quite
refreshing.  Well, let's see the price first.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Matt Mangriotis
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
 Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but here you go!



 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model



 Read about the applications that I think you might be able to use one of
 these (of course, you guys know better than me… so if I messed up on any of
 these, or you have any to add, let me know!)



 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog



 See your resellers to order them.



 Matt

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[Caleb Knauer]

Nice!

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
 yes I was told at AF and St Loius the only difference was subscriber count
 and price would be half what full AP cost was. I was also told that the
 license key upgrade to make a Lite a Full was going to be whatever the cost
 difference would have been for a full AP if purchased in the first place.


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110


 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 So the only difference is the SU count?  If so, that's quite
 refreshing.  Well, let's see the price first.

 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Matt Mangriotis
 matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
  Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but here you go!
 
 
 
 
  http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model
 
 
 
  Read about the applications that I think you might be able to use one of
  these (of course, you guys know better than me… so if I messed up on any
  of
  these, or you have any to add, let me know!)
 
 
 
  http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog
 
 
 
  See your resellers to order them.
 
 
 
  Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 38 GHz 1024QAM?

[Caleb Knauer]

Ceragon IP-20?

On Thursday, March 5, 2015, e...@kuhnke-international.com 
e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:

   Looking...

  Requirements:

  38 GHz
  Full ODU
  One SFP port
  Can take -48 at the radio head
  1024QAM


  Would be nice:
  PLA for XPIC

  What exist out there? Definitely much less selection than the common 11,
 18, 23 bands.

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

[Caleb Knauer]

If I may put on my jerk hat for a second, what makes you think 5Ghz is
WISP spectrum?  It's not, just like 900/2.4Ghz isn't.  You can't own
unlicensed frequency, and as long as the gear is following P15 rules
then there's pretty much nothing that you can do.  900Mhz died that
way, and who knows what the future holds for 5Ghz.  The only block you
could consider WISP spectrum is 3.65, and with so many using the
band that don't play by the rules with regards to registration etc I
think maybe the feds are going to have a hard time allocating more
this way.

Also, go ahead and point your stuff at big red/blue, and while you may
be within your legal rights it won't be a fun fight.  Actually if they
are just one way 5Ghz for downstream then it won't do anything to them
anyway.

Or maybe I'm just tired and cranky.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
 That means can we point our 5ghz backhaul stuff at there towers and make
 there signal about worthless? If so that would teach cell phone companies
 not to mess with WISP’s spectrum.



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
 Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:03 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..



 If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we
 are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several
 proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as
 alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to
 suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found.



 http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/



 Peter Kranz
 Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] photos of the day from Sierra Leone

[Caleb Knauer]

I don't think that snorkel is OEM.

On Sunday, March 1, 2015, e...@kuhnke-international.com 
e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Rory, know anything about this? Vandals cut into a Fiber line in Phoenix

[Caleb Knauer]

When I worked for Bellsouth during college, a field tech lost his marbles
and started cutting all the cables at the ground level at crossboxes all
over NE Atlanta over the course of two nights. What a mess.

On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:

  What’s funny is all the articles about cyber terrorism.  I’m not saying
 we don’t have vulnerabilities but this wasn’t that kind of case.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
 Solorza
 *Sent:* Saturday, February 28, 2015 9:30 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rory, know anything about this? Vandals cut into a
 Fiber line in Phoenix



 Or disgruntled employee. That happened in Alamogordo about 8 yrs ago.  Got
 busted second time he did it.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Feb 28, 2015 7:47 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net'); wrote:

 It was deliberate.  Probably a hacksaw or reciprocating saw.  They are
 still investigating.



 In reality, some moron thought he could steel copper by digging up bunches
 of cable.  I don’t think it was anything more than that.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
 Solorza
 *Sent:* Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:42 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rory, know anything about this? Vandals cut into a
 Fiber line in Phoenix



 Round here it is usually a farmer or highway contruction crew with tractor

 Jaime Solorza

 On Feb 28, 2015 1:44 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@spitwspots.com'); wrote:


 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/02/27/2219257/vandalism-in-arizona-shuts-down-internet-and-phone-service

 --
 --
 Josh Reynolds
 CIO, SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fun with Sierra Leone hilltop tower site preliminary surveys, part 1

[Caleb Knauer]

That's wild man.

On Friday, February 27, 2015, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com
wrote:

 attached JPGs.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Waveguide polarization

[Caleb Knauer]

This is very nice, and playing with the java app means I can finally
visualize circular polarization.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote:
 This describes it fairly well

 http://www.thebdr.net/articles/ops/xmtr/RF-pol.pdf



 Sent from my iPad

 On Feb 18, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please enlighten me

 Glad to see that for the most part this thread kept the discussion on
 polarization rather than polarity these sound similar but they are not
 synonymous.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Technically that is impossible to answer due to the infinite number of
 waveguide modes.
 �
 However, the practical answer is that we always use a very simple mode.�
 And in that mode, the probe always comes out of the broad wall, about a
 quarter wavelength from the end of a dead ended waveguide.� And that probe
 is the polarization.�
 �
 You have to match the openings.� The internal dimensions of the waveguide
 and the hole in the radio must line up.� In the event the mechanical
 orientations are at right angles, you have to use a section of flexible
 waveguide to make the twist.
 �
 From: Dan Petermann
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:10 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Waveguide polarization
 �
 Hmm, now I am not so sure.
 �
 Is it the orientation of the waveguide that determines the polarity or the
 orientation of the probe?
 �
 For example, waveguide exits the radio with wider dimension in a left/right
 direction, and enters antenna in a up/down direction, did the polarization
 of the signal rotate 90 degrees?
 �
 On Feb 18, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 If you ever need to question this again, it is opposite the major
 dimension.�
 If you could see the little probe /antenna that feeds the waveguide, you
 would see it sticking up out of the broad wall.�
 �
 The polarization of that little probe is the polarization of the
 waveguide.� And it is parallel to the short walls.�
 �
 From: Dan Petermann
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 3:35 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Waveguide polarization
 �
 Great!� Thanks to all who answered.�
 �
 �
 �
 �
 On Feb 18, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Josh I hate to disagree with you here� but a waveguide is a waveguide.�
 Maybe your link is in the wrong polarization :-)
 �
 Top is correct.
 �
 ***
 Daniel White - Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC
 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social:�LinkedIn
 �
 ***
 �
 From:�Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]�On Behalf Of�Josh Luthman
 Sent:�Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:55 PM
 To:�af@afmug.com
 Subject:�Re: [AFMUG] OT: Waveguide polarization
 �
 On SAF CFIP Lumina it was opposite.� Like your first image.

 �
 Josh Luthman
 Office:�937-552-2340
 Direct:�937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 �
 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:

 If you have a waveguide connection to an antenna, what direction (up/down or
 left/right) does the wider portion of the waveguide go?


 ___
 |���� |
 |���� | = H Pol?
 |���� |


 or
 ___
 |������������ | = H Pol?

 �

 �

Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

[Caleb Knauer]

No I agree.  Plus pretty much every QA is full of terrible questions.
Interesting what they will commit to in public also.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
 I assume they usually dread it, but if I'm not beating the dead horse they're 
 ignoring, they're good questions.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 - Original Message -
 From: Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:16:46 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

 Hey! (waves)

 Fun fact: You can gauge a presenter's experience within the industry by the
 amount of enthusiasm with which their read your name and question. It adds
 some excitement to a usually dreadful QA.

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Hey, hey, hey



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:24:35 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

 For every vendor who's had Mike asking, um, rather pointed questions
 during their own webinars, here's your chance for revenge ;-)

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Hopefully I've done this right.

 https://plus.google.com/events/cnuv9joknr1qjcc31eu6jekf5gg

 Go to this page to post questions to us beforehand. When you go there,
 click on the QA button in the upper right corner of where the video would
 be. In the upper right of that window, click the button that looks like a
 phone's keypad. Click on QA. Click on Ask a new question.

 We'll address as many questions as we can during the show. Please try to
 keep the questions quick and relevant to things that may be going on at the
 show.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

[Caleb Knauer]

Geez you agree with a guy occasionally and next thing you know folks
are making you out for kin.  If that were the case then Steve would be
at least an in-law and Christmas would be much more entertaining.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 You don't look like brothers.  Brother from another mother?

 -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:12 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

 No I agree.  Plus pretty much every QA is full of terrible questions.
 Interesting what they will commit to in public also.

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 I assume they usually dread it, but if I'm not beating the dead horse
 they're ignoring, they're good questions.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 - Original Message -
 From: Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:16:46 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

 Hey! (waves)

 Fun fact: You can gauge a presenter's experience within the industry by
 the
 amount of enthusiasm with which their read your name and question. It adds
 some excitement to a usually dreadful QA.

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Hey, hey, hey



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:24:35 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

 For every vendor who's had Mike asking, um, rather pointed questions
 during their own webinars, here's your chance for revenge ;-)

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Hopefully I've done this right.

 https://plus.google.com/events/cnuv9joknr1qjcc31eu6jekf5gg

 Go to this page to post questions to us beforehand. When you go there,
 click on the QA button in the upper right corner of where the video
 would
 be. In the upper right of that window, click the button that looks like
 a
 phone's keypad. Click on QA. Click on Ask a new question.

 We'll address as many questions as we can during the show. Please try to
 keep the questions quick and relevant to things that may be going on at
 the
 show.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

[Caleb Knauer]

Hey! (waves)

Fun fact: You can gauge a presenter's experience within the industry by the
amount of enthusiasm with which their read your name and question.  It adds
some excitement to a usually dreadful QA.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Hey, hey, hey



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:24:35 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

 For every vendor who's had Mike asking, um, rather pointed questions
 during their own webinars, here's your chance for revenge ;-)

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Hopefully I've done this right.

 https://plus.google.com/events/cnuv9joknr1qjcc31eu6jekf5gg

 Go to this page to post questions to us beforehand. When you go there,
 click on the QA button in the upper right corner of where the video would
 be. In the upper right of that window, click the button that looks like a
 phone's keypad. Click on QA. Click on Ask a new question.

 We'll address as many questions as we can during the show. Please try to
 keep the questions quick and relevant to things that may be going on at the
 show.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

Re: [AFMUG] The Brothers WISP Live at WISPAmerica 2015

[Caleb Knauer]

For every vendor who's had Mike asking, um, rather pointed questions during
their own webinars, here's your chance for revenge ;-)

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Hopefully I've done this right.

 https://plus.google.com/events/cnuv9joknr1qjcc31eu6jekf5gg

 Go to this page to post questions to us beforehand. When you go there,
 click on the QA button in the upper right corner of where the video would
 be. In the upper right of that window, click the button that looks like a
 phone's keypad. Click on QA. Click on Ask a new question.

 We'll address as many questions as we can during the show. Please try to
 keep the questions quick and relevant to things that may be going on at the
 show.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

Re: [AFMUG] 2 - 5 mile links

[Caleb Knauer]

Run the calcs with Linkplanner with ptp800 as the specs are pretty average,
you can drag and drop pins in google earth, antennas built in, etc.  Seems
like the quickest way to spitball links in your area.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Are we looking at 18 GHz for good uptime and high data rates at that
 distance?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

Re: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps

[Caleb Knauer]

Funny I did this just the past weekend.  New 6+, had it for a week and
the screen died.  I had done the initial setup via itunes.  Went to
apple store, got phone replaced, they kicked off the icloud backup
restore there.  I think what they are telling people is to do a
restore there to get the phone working (with only the basic settings
pulled down and app placeholders) then load the rest when they get
home back on wifi.  Did that, which pulled down pics and apps and
music and yadda yadda and took several hours on a 30Mbps TWC conx and
my phone isn't really that bloated.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 I've had several complaints that customers will replace their iPhones
 (sometimes the whole family at once) and the new phones will just go forever
 trying to download all their apps, meanwhile their Internet is slow and they
 can't do mission critical things like watch Netflix.

 People will then say they took their new phones to work and the apps
 finished downloading within an hour.

 Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading so
 many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it to
 finish within a reasonable time?

 Is there some trick (other than telling people not to sync their new phones
 on Sunday evening) to making this work right?

Re: [AFMUG] 3ghz 3550-3725 -75?

[Caleb Knauer]

After you turned of the vzw hotspot did you run another airview?

Maybe it's picking up 5Ghz noise from the hotspot?  3.65 is
downconverted 5Ghz.  But I'd imagine that it would be highly unlikely
to cause that much of an issue.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:30 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
 Have techs at a customer house right now, its a 9 mile shot on 5mhz
 nanostation, but best we ever see on a speedtest was 3x1 ish at Signal
 Strength:

  -68 dBm
 Horizontal / Vertical:-72 / -69 dBm
 Noise Floor:-95 dBm
 Transmit CCQ:87.2 %
 TX/RX Rate:26 Mbps / 29.25 Mbps
 so we ran a spectrum in airview and there is a peak power from 3550-3725mhz
 at -75 alot like what you see with an fhss system
 its air view so i take it with a grain of salt.

 he has a verizon hotspot and we shut it off speedtests went consistently to
 8x4 whic on a populated access point at that channel size with ubnt is about
 what I was expecting.

 I did not think there was anything that could use that set of spectrum at
 once, does verizon have some sort of license in that band?

 The guys are still troubleshooting so it could be a coincidental thing that
 it started working



 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
 get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
 hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: SWOT

[Caleb Knauer]

No kidding, me neither.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Amazing.  I had no idea.

  *From:* Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2015 6:11 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: SWOT

 http://www.nbcnews.com/pages/weathermen

 --



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 imap://dco...@imap.infowest.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E/Sent%3E33390?part=1.2.2filename=Sunset-on-White-120.png]
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 Randy Cosby
 InfoWest, Inc
 435-674-0165 x 2010
 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/


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Re: [AFMUG] Cable reel stand for tower work

[Caleb Knauer]

Got a set of Greenlee 683.  Kinda beefy but we are running some larger
spools lately.  Pretty sturdy setup.

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 That company’s name is probably holding them back.  Also probably lots of
 people looking for violins and tubas going WTF?

 From: Chris Herrington
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 8:25 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable reel stand for tower work


 I have been handling cable for 30 years, and find that the carriers I get
 from this company are the best.



 http://www.musicsupply.com/shop.php?cat=13

 http://www.musicsupply.com/shop.php?cat=14



 I am actually surprised that they have not broken into distribution, and
 seem to focus on just one industry, but these are great sturdy products.





 Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSPWD Specialist

 FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

 Cell 714-309-8714

 ch...@fsc.com



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 5:37 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable reel stand for tower work



 We had these made before I was here

 On Jan 23, 2015 4:13 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any suggestions for a cable reel stand for spooling cable/coax out on
 a tower run?  Our improvised methods need updating, and my google-fu
 is weak and I'm only finding either junk or stuff that's way too
 expensive.   Think a pair of jack stands with a rod between them but
 nicer and with less falling over.

Re: [AFMUG] Cable reel stand for tower work

[Caleb Knauer]

This is what I have been looking at.  A recent crew we contracted had a
perfect setup but I didn't think to ask what they were, doh.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:47 PM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:

  Found these just looking around

 http://www.toolfetch.com/sumner-780941-no-60-screw-type-telescoping-reel-jack-for-26-to-56-diameter-reels.html?utm_source=googleutm_medium=cseutm_term=780941gclid=CN62gI_Oq8MCFQwaaQodUFwAsw

 These are very similar or same ones I see the verizon pro guys use when
 working a site.
 Very versatile with respect of the pipe used to go between them.

 On 1/23/2015 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 That works too, but not too well.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jan 23, 2015 5:41 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 broomstick in a step ladder or mast between the back doors of the van if
 the douchebag tech pulled the standsd out and didnt put it back


 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 We made a stand from unistrut and pipe.  Adjustable for different size
 spools ...from LMR 400 to large Heliax spools.  We used earth anchors to
 keep it from falling.  We also had wooden ones for 1000 ft rolls of guyed
 wire...electrical houses carry the attachments and bracelets for C channel/
 unistrut

 Jaime Solorza
  On Jan 23, 2015 3:13 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Any suggestions for a cable reel stand for spooling cable/coax out on
 a tower run?  Our improvised methods need updating, and my google-fu
 is weak and I'm only finding either junk or stuff that's way too
 expensive.   Think a pair of jack stands with a rod between them but
 nicer and with less falling over.




  --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


 --

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

[Caleb Knauer]

I teach the classes, and a lot of the Unifi students are doing some
variation of this as part of their other included managed services.
So maybe they're AV, put in all the fancy AV stuff and tie together
with Unifi and have a maintenance package for all the hardware
together.  Or managed IT services for small business, or home scaled
IT services, etc.  There's a lot of ways to skin that cat, but I'm not
sure doing solely manged AP's would pay off but maybe you could roll
it into an aggregated managed services package.  Just be mindful that
residential end user support is the opposite of fun (although many not
fun things can be very profitable).

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
 We're thinking a managed WiFi service might be appropriate.  We have quite a
 few subs with really large homes, and a managing a bunch of them could be
 significant overhead.  Wondering if anyone is doing this on any kind of
 production scale, and what seems appropriate for residential service.
 Without giving it a great deal of thought (so this may be high-ball or
 low-ball), I'm thinking something like $5/mrc would be reasonable.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/27/2015 1:20 PM, Caleb Knauer wrote:

 I would like to see a migration tool of some sort.  Our big controller
 has gotten a bit too big and we are about to split it into multiple
 pieces.  It's an adventure.

 On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see one thing that could be smoother.  We set up a couple of Unifi APs;
 one here in our office, and another in a large home.  The controller was
 on
 my traveling laptop.  Now that each of them is running, I wanted to move
 the
 controller to a VM in our colo.

 It seems to me that if you are logged into the active controller, it
 should
 be a simple push-button to move the controller to another running
 controller.  Maybe you need to have some sort of session going between
 controllers, but that should be relatively easy too.  Or maybe (at the
 most)
 a push-button receive mode on one controller, and a push mode from
 another
 controller.

 It does not seem right that you need to reset an AP (or APs) to move
 the
 controller.  Very uncomfortable with this when I have to remote into a
 site
 in the first place, and reset an AP (or APs) in order to get them to link
 to
 an L3 controller in the cloud.  Of course, once you've moved the
 controller,
 then you have to re-load the previous AP configuration.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/21/2015 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Yes, run the UniFi Controller at the colo. From there you can control
 every
 UniFi you place everywhere.

 It pulls statistics, handles upgrades, well, everything a controller is
 supposed to do.

 It doesn't have to be in a VPN, but that's what I do.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:07:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 Run it where?  The colo?  That seems counter productive.  We want a
 more-or-less continuous VPN connection between our colo and the WiFi AP
 in
 our office?  How is this good?

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/21/2015 12:04 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 So run it there.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:03:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 AP was not re-provisioned.  She had to re-connect to continue to use
 it.  She said the connection just went away.  It was simple to
 re-connect, just unexpected, and not what I would consider nice behavior.

 I will do a couple of controlled tests to see what is happening.

 BTW - We don't have any VMs running in our office; those are all down in
 the colo.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/21/2015 11:49 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote:

 Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning?  Did wifi come back up after a
 minute or two?

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I don't know if this is a bug or not...  Our new Unifi AP has been
 running
 about 24 hours without a hitch.  I started up the controller on my
 desktop,
 and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi.  I had not pushed any
 buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.

 Is this a known issue?

 Not nice.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.

 On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince
 part15...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW),
 but

 I didn't have a lot of choices.  When Unifi didn't work, I googled
 around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.

 But it's

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

[Caleb Knauer]

I would like to see a migration tool of some sort.  Our big controller
has gotten a bit too big and we are about to split it into multiple
pieces.  It's an adventure.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
 I see one thing that could be smoother.  We set up a couple of Unifi APs;
 one here in our office, and another in a large home.  The controller was on
 my traveling laptop.  Now that each of them is running, I wanted to move the
 controller to a VM in our colo.

 It seems to me that if you are logged into the active controller, it should
 be a simple push-button to move the controller to another running
 controller.  Maybe you need to have some sort of session going between
 controllers, but that should be relatively easy too.  Or maybe (at the most)
 a push-button receive mode on one controller, and a push mode from another
 controller.

 It does not seem right that you need to reset an AP (or APs) to move the
 controller.  Very uncomfortable with this when I have to remote into a site
 in the first place, and reset an AP (or APs) in order to get them to link to
 an L3 controller in the cloud.  Of course, once you've moved the controller,
 then you have to re-load the previous AP configuration.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/21/2015 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Yes, run the UniFi Controller at the colo. From there you can control every
 UniFi you place everywhere.

 It pulls statistics, handles upgrades, well, everything a controller is
 supposed to do.

 It doesn't have to be in a VPN, but that's what I do.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:07:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 Run it where?  The colo?  That seems counter productive.  We want a
 more-or-less continuous VPN connection between our colo and the WiFi AP in
 our office?  How is this good?

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/21/2015 12:04 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 So run it there.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:03:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 AP was not re-provisioned.  She had to re-connect to continue to use
 it.  She said the connection just went away.  It was simple to
 re-connect, just unexpected, and not what I would consider nice behavior.

 I will do a couple of controlled tests to see what is happening.

 BTW - We don't have any VMs running in our office; those are all down in
 the colo.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/21/2015 11:49 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote:
 Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning?  Did wifi come back up after a
 minute or two?

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't know if this is a bug or not...  Our new Unifi AP has been
 running
 about 24 hours without a hitch.  I started up the controller on my
 desktop,
 and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi.  I had not pushed any
 buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.

 Is this a known issue?

 Not nice.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.

 On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW), but

 I didn't have a lot of choices.  When Unifi didn't work, I googled
 around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.

 But it's a pretty snappy machine; 3.7 GHz quad-core A10 with plenty of
 memory.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/20/2015 11:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 Depends on the hardware it's on, and the hardware you're using to
 manage it.
 On January 20, 2015 10:18:31 AM AKST, Bill Prince
 part15...@gmail.com wrote:
 With all the talk, we got some of these.  Put one up in our office
 this
 morning.  It seems to work OK.

 Controller takes a century to load initially.

 I had to time-travel back from 2115 to write this.


 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/13/2015 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
 On 1/13/15 13:49, Daniel White wrote:
 I have a Unifi AC AP at my house.  Have not been overly impressed.
 I have two at the office. They don't do much more than basic office
 wireless stuff though and seem to be fine so far. What have you
 found
 lacking?

 ~Seth

[AFMUG] Cable reel stand for tower work

[Caleb Knauer]

Any suggestions for a cable reel stand for spooling cable/coax out on
a tower run?  Our improvised methods need updating, and my google-fu
is weak and I'm only finding either junk or stuff that's way too
expensive.   Think a pair of jack stands with a rod between them but
nicer and with less falling over.

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

[Caleb Knauer]

Only if you're using hotspot or guest portal authentication in the
controller.  If you're just bridging with the UAP and letting
something like a mikrotik handle auth then the controller only needs
to be up for stats and config changes.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does the unifi require a PC to be hooked up at all time

 On Jan 21, 2015 1:50 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning?  Did wifi come back up after a
 minute or two?

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I don't know if this is a bug or not...  Our new Unifi AP has been
  running
  about 24 hours without a hitch.  I started up the controller on my
  desktop,
  and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi.  I had not pushed any
  buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.
 
  Is this a known issue?
 
  Not nice.
 
  bp
  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
 
  On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 
  It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.
 
  On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW),
  but
 
  I didn't have a lot of choices.  When Unifi didn't work, I googled
  around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.
 
  But it's a pretty snappy machine; 3.7 GHz quad-core A10 with plenty of
  memory.
 
  bp
  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
 
  On 1/20/2015 11:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 
  Depends on the hardware it's on, and the hardware you're using to
 
  manage it.
 
  On January 20, 2015 10:18:31 AM AKST, Bill Prince
 
  part15...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  With all the talk, we got some of these.  Put one up in our office
 
  this
 
  morning.  It seems to work OK.
 
  Controller takes a century to load initially.
 
  I had to time-travel back from 2115 to write this.
 
 
  bp
  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
 
  On 1/13/2015 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
 
  On 1/13/15 13:49, Daniel White wrote:
 
  I have a Unifi AC AP at my house.  Have not been overly impressed.
 
  I have two at the office. They don't do much more than basic office
  wireless stuff though and seem to be fine so far. What have you
 
  found
 
  lacking?
 
  ~Seth
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

[Caleb Knauer]

Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning?  Did wifi come back up after a
minute or two?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know if this is a bug or not...  Our new Unifi AP has been running
 about 24 hours without a hitch.  I started up the controller on my desktop,
 and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi.  I had not pushed any
 buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.

 Is this a known issue?

 Not nice.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.

 On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW), but

 I didn't have a lot of choices.  When Unifi didn't work, I googled
 around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.

 But it's a pretty snappy machine; 3.7 GHz quad-core A10 with plenty of
 memory.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/20/2015 11:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 Depends on the hardware it's on, and the hardware you're using to

 manage it.

 On January 20, 2015 10:18:31 AM AKST, Bill Prince

 part15...@gmail.com wrote:

 With all the talk, we got some of these.  Put one up in our office

 this

 morning.  It seems to work OK.

 Controller takes a century to load initially.

 I had to time-travel back from 2115 to write this.


 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/13/2015 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

 On 1/13/15 13:49, Daniel White wrote:

 I have a Unifi AC AP at my house.  Have not been overly impressed.

 I have two at the office. They don't do much more than basic office
 wireless stuff though and seem to be fine so far. What have you

 found

 lacking?

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant

[Caleb Knauer]

One tab per thread/forum on which he's currently arguing with someone ;-)

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Lots of stuff going on. One window per project or main section of a project,
 then a bunch of windows inside of it. a lot of stuff, but organized.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant

 

 isn't that like having 200 files open on your desktop?
 or 200 paper files cluttering your desk?
 you should put some stuff away every now-and-then


 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammett
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant

 But how many other modern web sites use the same resources?

 I used to keep a sea of tabs (200+), but once I get near 50 anymore, my
 system chokes. Time to go to 32 GB on my desktops!



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 From: Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:21:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant

 Oh, no doubt. I like my sea of tabs too.

 But we're talking about a radio web interface. I don't care how much RAM
 your PC has, using 10x more resources to display the same stuff is a huge
 waste. Consider how many lower-powered gadgets are used to manage radios..
 It has to be nimble.


 Vlad

 On 1/21/2015 9:17 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I routinely have over 8 gigs of RAM chewed up by my browsers, sometimes
 almost 14 GB...  You need big boy PCs to be on the Internet anymore.  ;-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 From: Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:15:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant

 I just did a quick memory usage test on our NMS box...

 Firefox (google.com): 76MB in RAM
 Firefox with Canopy 450 AP interface open, logged in: 84.5MB.. a gain of
 less than 10MB of RAM usage.
 Firefox with ePMP AP open, logged in: 170-185MB in RAM. over 100MB RAM
 usage, to display the same stuff. Why?

 IE (google.com): 64MB in RAM
 IE with Canopy 450 AP interface open: 53MB (less than google!)
 IE with ePMP AP interface open: 138MB

 Similar results with Chrome.. About 75MB difference.


 eh.

 vlad

 On 1/21/2015 8:56 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

 Not sure what it is, but in my case, the Machine did make a difference in
 load time.  Be interested in others feedback as well.  Do you see similar
 results?  Are my results bad?  Do older/slower machines take longer?


 On 1/21/2015 8:52 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

But Seriously, it's a web page displaying TEXT AND NUMBERS, why should it
 need an i7 on the client side for that?

 No shit.

 So you're saying it's clock speed?  I've no idea what my phone does but I
 would be kind of surprised if the Galaxy S3 and my phone vary too much in
 CPU (I think they're both 2013 products).


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

 Just to sorta provide some more data from the original Thread, it seems
 that CPU Makes a huge difference in how fast the pages load.� I ran a test
 from the office to the same EPMP radio using 3 different machines.

 On my 6 core I7 Desktop.� Initial web load takes 4-5 seconds.� And
 login takes another 4-5 seconds.
 On an old Dualcore Xeon, it's 10 seconds for initial load, and 10 seconds
 to login
 On my atom netbook, it was 20 seconds for initial Load, 10 seconds to
 login, and another 10 seconds for the graph to display and all the red '!'
 marks to disappear (they were on all left menu items)

 I know people just said 'well just get a faster laptop'.

 But Seriously, it's a web page displaying TEXT AND NUMBERS, why should it
 need an i7 on the client side for that?



 On 1/21/2015 8:34 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

 Yes they did, and it was definitely for the better. Most of the
 improvements were based on some sort of real world feedback.. That's how you
 make a good UI :D


 vlad


 On 1/21/2015 1:29 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

 �
 I do recall they did completely redesign the interface, due to our
 request, after the initial complaints of v1� : /
 �

 - Original Message -
 From: Vlad Sedov
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP Minimum System Specs rant

 This has been one of our biggest complaints from day one.
 The interface, while it has gotten slightly more usable, is still
 complete garbage. It's unpredictable, slow, and inconsistent.. Let alone
 the features 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC in Utah looking for TDWR offenders

[Caleb Knauer]

This is why we can't have nice things.

On Thursday, January 15, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was just told that the FCC is in Utah searching for five locations that
 are running on TDWR frequencies between Ogden and Provo.  Apparently they
 have been here for a week already collecting data for enforcement.  Doug
 met with them for a couple of hours and they determined that it wasn't any
 of his equipment.  I was asked to pass the information along because they
 want it cleared up ASAP.  If anyone has anything broadcasting that may be
 bleeding over now would be the time to move it.

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

[Caleb Knauer]

Of course not by AF24, tiny beamwidth and low power.  It's brother
however?  ;-)



On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
 If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see that he
 isn't always showing us the love ;)  He will dish it when it is due...I have
 seen it publicly as well ;)

 Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that since
 the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing
 issues due to being installed by ignorant operators...


 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :)

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us
 wrote:

 On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti
 here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz.

 Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid
 operators, say so.
 If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so.
 If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis
 studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so.

 In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that
 has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less
 whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common
 courtesy.




 I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein,
 with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only
 agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate
 existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant
 operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it
 easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e.
 past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR).

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

[Caleb Knauer]

Sorry, jerk relex ;-)

*Most* of the FUD and doom and gloom about the AF5 wiping out the
entire WISP market by ignorant users has shown to be unfounded after
some 9 odd months of deployments.  Some people have been affected
though, and a big hammer carried by a toddler is scary.  I do agree
that an 11Ghz and above licensed solution will posses, by the
constraints laid forth by FCC/ETSI reqs, properties that will somewhat
lessen chances of bad actions affecting the masses.  But there is some
risk.

There's a lot of conversation here though that I think can be
discussed without the heat.  Dirty players, such as the omni blasters
and the DFS douches, are going to cause issues when the barrier to
entry is low and the tools allow you to do bad things.  The thought of
a $1k unicorn gigabit link is frankly a bit scary to think of when in
the hands of the dirty players.  However the licensed bands are
protected by some scary FCC teeth and that would help significantly.
Everyone playing dirty in 3.65 isn't worried about enforcement, and
the test mode guys don't seem to be too bothered if they aren't near a
radar (although enforcement is cracking down a lot lately).  But the
first time VZW brings down the full heat of the feds on top of some
schmuck's head for deploying an illegal 11Ghz test link should get
the other dirties to pay attention.  The scary thing to think of
however is that the big boys may push hard to kick us out of these
bands entirely (which they're already toying around with on 5Ghz).

There's a lot of things that can be done to protect the lic market in
the case that the unicorn is ever found, such as enforcing buyers have
an existing license before shipping, mfg link activation, etc.  It
will be annoying and make legit users agitated, but dummies gonna
dummy and the last thing we need is to turn the 11/18 Ghz bands into a
supersaturated wasteland.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
 I would imagine a licensed backhaul would be similar to AF24 (though not
 saying we are doing anything like it)...as for AF5, have actually had a lot
 of reports related to customers taking out other 5GHz links and opening up
 more spectrum by using the AF5 (and getting more throughput)  ;)

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Of course not by AF24, tiny beamwidth and low power.  It's brother
 however?  ;-)



 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
  If only you could read some of Josh's emails to us and you would see
  that he
  isn't always showing us the love ;)  He will dish it when it is due...I
  have
  seen it publicly as well ;)
 
  Healthy discussion on backhauls and backhaul pricing...I will say that
  since
  the AF24 launch, I have not seen an email/post related to AF24 causing
  issues due to being installed by ignorant operators...
 
 
  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
 
  Seth be careful stepping on the toes of ubiquiti's No#1 fanboi :)
 
  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us
  wrote:
 
  On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 
  I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti
  here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz.
 
  Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid
  operators, say so.
  If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so.
  If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis
  studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so.
 
  In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something
  that
  has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less
  whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common
  courtesy.
 
 
 
 
  I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained
  therein,
  with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I
  not only
  agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would
  exacerbate
  existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of
  ignorant
  operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making
  it
  easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things
  (i.e.
  past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR).
 
  ~Seth
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

[Caleb Knauer]

Not available on the 80 but it is on 60 and below.  Don't know when it will
be available.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Does anyone know if 2048 QAM isn't ready yet? I don't see it listed under
 80 MHz channel size in LinkPlanner nor the datasheets.

 Oddly, it shows up on the smaller channels.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:28:53 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

 AKA Ceregon IP20...

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/14/2015 5:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
  Cambium 820

Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused

[Caleb Knauer]

Each ODU has two separate cores, so one ODU gives you 2x throughput
of your standard single core ODU we're used to dealing with.  They do
a bunch of crazy things with combiners, MIMO sync, etc and some
creative naming mechanisms.  But in the end your standard IP20C with
both cores on an 80Mhz channel will do 1.2Gbps or so.  The two cores
are layer 1 bonded.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
 How does “LoS 4X4 MIMO quadrupling capacity using only 2 radio units”
 work..? What is the real throughput of this radio?



 Peter Kranz
 Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link

[Caleb Knauer]

We recently put in a 3.5 mile IP20C link, 11Ghz, 60Mhz XPIC with same
frequency and it's doing a gig.  80Mhz will go faster, but it's all we had
available at the time of the rush install for the ODU.  The IP20C is cool
because you can use two cores on one physical ODU and it makes the physical
install clean and easy.  Software setup is a bit, different?  You'll need
some help setting up the service flow yadda yadda for your first one but
it's not bad.  It ain't cheap, and there's a bunch of add on license stuff
that make some folks cranky.  You can run the 820 in linkplanner to see
what they'll do and see what your % will be and you can play around with it
a lot.

SAF with LAG will be cheaper and probably a lot more familiar to you, if
you're down with LAG.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 The contenders are Dragonwave Quantum, Exalt ExtremeAir, Ceragon IP20,
 anyone else?

 I know SIAE, SAF and maybe some others (which others if you have them?)
 can get there with header compression.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

[Caleb Knauer]

The UAP phone home and establish the connection.  No poking needed.  All
encrypted.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

  So if your controller is running on a VM in the cloud, and the unify
 box(es) is/are behind NAT, how does the controller reach through the NAT?
 Or do the unify box(es) reach out?

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 1/13/2015 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Windows and Linux. Not sure about Mac. No, it won't run on Mikrotik.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

  --
 *From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com part15...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:20:22 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 Anything special about the controller?  Windows, MacOS, Linux?  Will the
 controller run on a Mikrotik?

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


 You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's
 don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as
 the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.

 You could use your laptop as the controller to set them up and then take
 it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able
 to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change
 anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to
 associate the AP's with a different controller you have to default them.

 For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the
 customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300
 PC in the cost estimate.

  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave.
 It?
 On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:

  I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going
 to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
 need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
 my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and
 you have to be onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
 for that.



 Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all
 the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial
 reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant



 I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
 locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
 time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
 leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
 (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
 animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
 detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
 how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
 restaurant/retail location







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
 *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant



 We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
 well and at a great price as well.



 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
 Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

 Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
 Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
 for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

 Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
 

  The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
 feature that
  doesn't require a controller that I know of.  I would like the option
 of logging
  in locally, changing a few settings, and moving on.
 
  Cameron Crum wrote:
   Unifi is not hard to 

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

[Caleb Knauer]

The system is down...the system is down...the system is down

UAP still works when it loses access to the controller unless you're using
the controller for doing the guest portal authentication/hotspot.  We use
'tik and friends for all that functionality so if the controller drops it
doesn't shut down anything.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   I wonder how long before we start seeing stickers identifying those
 things that still work when “the cloud” is down.
 Maybe an emergency kit of “cloud free” tools for after the apocalypse.


  *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:19 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

  Use one controller on a VM somewhere for all of your managed UniFi
 devices.

 That's worked since the beginning.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:17:48 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant


 You need a unifi controller to manage the system.  The individual AP's
 don't have a web page.  You put the controller on the same LAN segment as
 the AP's and it will discover them and add them to the network.

 You could use your laptop as the controller to set them up and then take
 it with you when you leave.  The AP's will keep working without being able
 to reach the controller.but don't do that.  If you want to change
 anything later you'd have to go back with the same laptop.  If you want to
 associate the AP's with a different controller you have to default them.

 For a super small deployment I just install the controller software on the
 customer's PC.  Once you get past a handful of AP's then you include a $300
 PC in the cost estimate.

  So the unifi is like a normal ubnt. Product just program it and leave.
 It?
 On Jan 13, 2015 10:47 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:

  I have a customer yanking out his Meraki’s in a couple months and going
 to UniFi.  We have a installations with them, zero problems.  But you do
 need a management computer.  I have the XClaim radio too that I tested at
 my house.  The only problem is no management tool outside your phone and
 you have to be onsite.  They said they will have something in a few months
 for that.



 Xirrus is enterprise grade and probably as expensive as Meraki with all
 the bells and whistles.  I’d stick to UniFi if it was me for financial
 reasons if you simply want to give away free internet.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:31 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant



 I have 2 at home, easy setup. Basic feature set… problem with reatail
 locations like restaurants is that you need control of the users… how much
 time they can browse, when the AP will be available (avoiding night
 leeches), login mechanisms, value added marketing for the host restaurant
 (like pop ups every x min with advertisement) Etc… Retail is a different
 animal… Meraki even offers visit statistics of how many passerbys( mac
 detected but not registered) , users (loged in) with how long they stayed,
 how recurrently the pass or visit ect! Very extensive reports for the host
 restaurant/retail location







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
 *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant



 We also ordered a few Xclaim AP's and they seem to be performing really
 well and at a great price as well.



 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 The new Xclaim AP's are designed for this type of environment.  Get the
 Ruckus RF engineering technology with the coffee shop type price.

 Installing one in our new office... will have my hands on it on Friday.
 Only need a single AP... and of course it will be lightly loaded (mostly
 for cell phones,etc... computers are hardwired typically).

 Got mine from JR at WAV - good price on those units too.

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590 %28303%29%20746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:19 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
 

  The problem I have with Unifi is there really isn't a stand alone
 feature that
  doesn't require 

Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

[Caleb Knauer]

Yep.  Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in
the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to
squeeze into the market, etc.  It's multiple birds with one stone.  US
oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of
gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up
production again.  The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad
for them, but all bubbles burst.  A lot of Americans will have a net
benefit.  Macroeconomics is complex.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
 From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC.


 On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
 wrote:

 I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here in
 the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada.  I bet eventually when the
 additional pipeline capacity is completed  it may drive things even lower,
 but that is just my thought.

 It would be nice if they could do the same with grain.


 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I look
 at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the rubber band
 snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the export
 and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at least. This
 is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is
 inherently and artificially inflated market.

 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
 par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


 The investment has already been made to build the wells.  I know it
 would suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up again, then
 just resume production?  Even under new ownership?  Doesn't sound like a
 permanent problem to me...


 - Original Message -
 From: Bill Prince
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

 It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers.
 Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like Iraq 
 Iran.

 Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time right
 now.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 I wonder what is really driving the price down.  Fracking, OPEC
 diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???

 From: Jeremy
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices

 Thanks Obama!  (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)

 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Same up here in Ohio.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 1.75 here in my area

 On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote:

 $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.

 vlad

 On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have stations at
 $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)

 Travis








 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
 get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
 hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

[Caleb Knauer]

The only thing I can think of where rapid handoff would be needed in a
restaurant is for mobile POS terminals if the wait staff is entering orders
and payments and such at the table via tablet.  Otherwise anything that
matters (to the business) is going to be fixed or isn't
super-duper-realtime critical.  Unifi has a zero-handoff roaming feature
but you need to take into account the design restraints.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 I wonder how much hand off is happening at all in a restaurant?

 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Not really? All of the ones I setup I don't recall there being any
 issues...  even with the original software releases.

 That said, the fast handoff isn't as good as what you're going to get
 from Ruckus or Xirrus.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:53:04 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant

 Isnt unifi a bitch to set up with software?
 On Jan 13, 2015 9:51 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Wyndam in Midland uses UniFi AC and it worked well.   The local
 reservation casino is implementing it as well after testing Cisco and few
 others.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Jan 13, 2015 7:51 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:

  Xirrus.  More granular packet control.



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant



 Meraki







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
 *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Date: *Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant



 Doing WiFi for a restaurantwhat would be good for deploying WiFi

 Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

[Caleb Knauer]

Someone did a breakdown of distance/throughput/channel size for 47dBm
and 30dBm EIRP levels on the forum.
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5-Distance-Throughput-Chart-Community-Maintained-47-dBm-EIRP/m-p/1118828#U1118828
and 
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5-Distance-Throughput-Chart-Community-Maintained-30-dBm-EIRP-U/m-p/869044#M11898.

Seems to match up with the few links we've installed.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:
 I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max 
 distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation

 Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

[Caleb Knauer]

Customers need tech support.  Residential will need more support but
you can work with the urgency.  Business will need less support
typically but will be much more urgent.  It's hard to grow a business
if you're the only one putting out fires.  Have support in place
before it gets rolling hard.

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys, long time listener, first time caller. I'm looking at starting a
 new rural WISP and was wondering if you guys could share some of the things
 you wish you had known when you started out. Things to absolutely stay away
 from, things that you didn't think of first, but made your life 10x easier,
 etc. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions

[Caleb Knauer]

If they complain, explain it to them like how awesome number
portability is with cell phones now, and one universal email is
similar.  One number/email, goes wherever you go, keeps contact and
update mgt s much easier.  I plan on having one cell number and
one real email until I die.  Or until gmail dies.  Which probably
means we've gone zombieland.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 From my understanding, both.  Josh Luthman and I have talked to a vendor
 wanting to provide a solution.  IKANO is selling their solution (more
 expensive than GMail).

 To be honest, I'm considering quitting on email service.  Tell all the users
 to setup a Gmail, Hotmail, or Yahoo.  Then provide a solution to forward
 their existing email address to their account.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Christopher Tyler
 ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 So... Has anyone found a good solution for Gmail yet? If so I would love
 to hear it.

 Also does anyone know if the free service is also going away or was it
 just Apps for ISP's paid? We have one domain that was grandfathered in and
 one that is paid. Just wondering if we'll have to migrate the free account
 as well.

 --
 Christopher Tyler
 MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
 Total Highspeed Internet Services
 417.851.1107

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

[Caleb Knauer]

I am inviting you to find your happiness elsewhere.  -- This is awesome.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 One more thing:
 Fire people.

 Do not suffer with a problem employee.  Screw up your courage and take care
 of the problem, do not let it fester.  That does not mean you have to be an
 ass about it.  Things you can say:

 It is just not working out, sorry.  I will give you a letter of
 recommendation.
 I am inviting you to find your happiness elsewhere.
 We are eliminating your position (chicken-shit way to do things but
 sometimes it is somewhat true).

 Once in a while:
 Here is a box, pack your stuff and leave.  John will escort you to the door.


 From: Chuck McCown
 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:39 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP

 Things to do:

 Pick the right radio the first time.  I am partial to Cambium products.
 This is like getting married and having a bunch of kids and having a bunch
 of inlaws move in with you.  Don’t screw it up.  You have to live with it
 24/7/365.

 Get into fiber as soon as you can.  Take fiber feeds from your upstream
 provider if you can.  Take fiber to your tower sites if you can.

 Pick the right billing system and right bookkeeping system.  Quickbooks is
 good for accounting, but it is not so good for billing for a WISP.  It can
 do it, but there are better systems out there.  It will get you by
 initially.

 Stay the right size.  If you are a very small operation you can make good
 money.  If you are a large operation you can make good money.  There is
 middle ground where you are continually broke but need to grow.  Try to
 avoid that.  A one man operation can make more money than a 5 man operation
 in this business.  Try to avoid hiring anyone for as long as possible.
 (That does not include an accountant.  You must have a good accountant).

 Keep the company always in your political control.  If you bring in partners
 or gift stock to employees, make sure that your ownership percentage is
 always the majority.  Don’t count on ANYONE siding with you during a
 dispute.  Morals, ethics, honesty, loyalty, religion all go out the window
 when things turn ugly.  Sad to see.


 Things not to do:

 Do not do a flat network.  Feed each access point from a router port or a
 VLAN.  Do not allow APs to even know of the existence of other APs on the
 same tower.

 Do not scrimp on CAT 5 cable.  Use quality cable.  Shielded at all AP sites.

 Do not scrimp on backhaul capacity or quality.  If/when you can justify it,
 put in licensed radios for backhaul.

 Do not hire friends or relatives.

 Do not scrimp on backup power.  Make sure everything can run for at least 12
 hours without external power.

 Do not futz around with being an email provider.  Don’t even do any hosting
 right at first.

 I would not do paper bills.  Keep it all online.  ACH /Credit card payment
 receipt is a must.

 Do not do installs in marginal locations.  One marginal customer can eat up
 all of your time and they will give you a black eye in the marketplace.

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone else getting this?

[Caleb Knauer]

Yes.

On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
wrote:

 yes

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); wrote:



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 Subject: confirm 4ab0ea98dd1d6fe1286a4341ab4de04d8ae07fd4

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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Run this on a Nexus 7 and it works well.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:
 Just put this app on a cheap nook tablet and it’s actually pretty good.



 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzerhl=en







 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:59 PM


 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer



 I don’t want the spam.



 From: Josh Luthman via Af

 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56 PM

 To: af@afmug.com

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer



 Need to request a quote =/



 http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm





 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Looking at everything.  Fluke has a nice one.
 Cannot find a price for this device:

 BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer


 From: Josh Luthman via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too.  Doesn't sound like
 you need 2.4, just Wifi.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Android cell phone app.  Free!

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
 Af



 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Looking for something under $300

 -Original Message-
 From: Daniel White via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Compared to what ;-)  Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox
 or
 Anritsu Sitemaster.

 Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job.

 I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an
 app
 on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like
 Aaronia
 or SAF (which is a whole different debate).

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
 Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Spendy as I recall.

 -Original Message-
 From: Seth Mattinen via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
  Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.

 SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Yeah, it'll read whatever your wireless card reads in the tablet/phone.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Is it dual band?

 From: Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:05 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer


 Just put this app on a cheap nook tablet and it’s actually pretty good.



 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzerhl=en







 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:59 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer



 I don’t want the spam.



 From: Josh Luthman via Af

 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56 PM

 To: af@afmug.com

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer



 Need to request a quote =/



 http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm





 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Looking at everything.  Fluke has a nice one.
 Cannot find a price for this device:

 BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer


 From: Josh Luthman via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too.  Doesn't sound like
 you need 2.4, just Wifi.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Android cell phone app.  Free!

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
 Af



 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Looking for something under $300

 -Original Message-
 From: Daniel White via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Compared to what ;-)  Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox
 or
 Anritsu Sitemaster.

 Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job.

 I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an
 app
 on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like
 Aaronia
 or SAF (which is a whole different debate).

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
 Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 Spendy as I recall.

 -Original Message-
 From: Seth Mattinen via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

 On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
  Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.

 SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz.

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

And when the cyanogen guys go full Captain Insano and the line is dead in a
year I'll still be able to get service on my 3+ year old lame iPhone.  Hehe
sorry just screwing around but some folks take their choice of phone way
too seriously. I hope OPO does well as competition is good but I'm not too
confident at this point.

On Monday, December 22, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I have a OnePlus One. It's a 5.5 screen, weighs 160 grams. About the same
 size as an iPhone 6+.  It has an awesome battery life:

 http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/08/oneplus-one-review/

 No carrier crapware, no disabled features (tethering), unlocked, no
 contract.

 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote:

  Not double.  3500 mah versus 3300 mah.

 Screen is only slightly bigger (5 versus 4.7).

 But I'm really happy with this phone.  Don't anticipate switching until
 it dies.  It's a couple years old now, and it is stable, fast, and smooth.

 I don't know about others claims of android crashing.  Mine hasn't
 crashed once in the two years that I've had it.  It may have been an issue
 with early versions of android, but I've only experienced jelly bean (+),
 and it just keeps trucking.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/21/2014 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Jump up to the Droid Maxx.  Double the battery.  Screen is a lot bigger,
 though :/

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 21, 2014 1:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote:

  My Android fits in either front or back pocket.  It's large with a ~~
 5 (slightly less) screen.  The kevlar back seems to make it very sturdy,
 and I love the long battery life.  DROID RAZR MAXX HD.

 --
 bp
 part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com


 On 12/21/2014 7:30 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

 Mike,

  The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at
 wispa shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in
 a holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone
 in their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their
 back pocket need some help.

 On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote:

  haha

 This is the type I usually use.


 http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

 ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
 newer generation phones!
 http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg

  ...or you could always go the holster route...
 http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg

 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.

 Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).

 *shrugs*



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  --
 *From: *Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

  I put mine in my pocket all the time.  If I even thought about using
 the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass
 me mercilessly!

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

   Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse
 or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly
 reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  --
 *From: *Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

 When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over
 sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets.



 On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  Did you try and/or considered 6 plus?

  I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for
 reading).

 Tushar


 On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

   Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it.  It was a little big at
 first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I 

Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

They use them in Bangkok, it's...interesting.  Countdown to green
really does make everyone launch quickly, but it's cool because you
don't have some dummy just sitting there spaced out that doesn't know
the light changed.  It could work here, I got to like it after a bit.
It was the least terrifying thing about driving around that city.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 I don't ever want to see a countdown for a green or red light.  The idiots 
 already try and push it now if they had a graph that shows them exaclty when 
 it will change...  no thanks.

 --
 Christopher Tyler
 MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
 Total Highspeed Internet Services
 417.851.1107

 - Original Message -
 From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:14:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

 Those all look like virtual prototypes in testing, or CGI.  Nice ideas,
 but making them work in real life is another matter entirely.

 On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Invisible hood is better, came out a while ago

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TRGwLDLRp8


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  The start of the video shows invisible A/B pillars.. but I like this
 part better.

 http://youtu.be/c98h41TkREA?t=1m

 --
 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] Dymo label printers

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

I'll see if I can a bit later but no promises.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 I'll try to do that, want to make a YouTube video? :)


 On 11/25/2014 12:34 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:

 Yeah we use them a lot.  It's hard to explain how I do it, but there's a bit
 of a trick to it.  Basically I put one end, print side down, on the tip of
 my index finger (so it will make a little U shape) and hold it down with the
 thumb of same hand.  The I push down with my other hand thumb nail and sweep
 across it until I can catch the middle split edge and get it started.

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your
business is bad and you should feel bad.  And you won't see next year.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and
 negative numbers red.  Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn
 black.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the
 black, at least thats what I was told.

 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at
 Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”.  Does anyone
 know what the actual history of the name is?  I always thought it was a
 reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the
 black” financially for the year.  Is it really a reference to the almost
 mob atmosphere that has occurred over the years?  If so, that is racist.
 Of course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour



 Black Friday... now that is just racist!



 *From:* Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour



 I saw a comment somewhere last night... Early Black Friday sale,
 everything 100% off in Ferguson.
 --

 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour

 A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season.

 When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break ins
 and burglaries.

 One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and out
 in 2 minutes.

 The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed.



 Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they
 never helped the cops catch anyone.



 *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour



 yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those
 stores that needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have
 ignored it all together and they would have rioted and looted, thats who
 they are, its what they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we take them
 and do them. We really arent any different than them



 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One
 comment I heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage that
 [the media] had in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they would be
 really disappointed.  Expectations lead to results.

 If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected
 tonight, We expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have happened?



 On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

 I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has
 always been happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson normally
 would never be heard of outside the local area, if somebody hadn't decided
 that it was a good opportunity for rioting.
 --

 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour

 Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times
 past.



 Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly
 become more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the last
 year there hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings in the
 last several years (as of the last year report I read).





 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Yep, here in Utah the motto is “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out”.

 It is OK though because we are a pretty religious bunch...



 But seriously -



 Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.



 We have one that seems to me to be much worse that Ferguson here in
 Saratoga Springs.

 Kid had a replica sword. 

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Man I guess I wasn't sticking my tongue into my cheek far enough ;-)

It is kinda interesting the analysis and psychology that goes into the
BF deals.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 It more that the big stores are technically in the red until that
 Friday... then from that Friday forward for the rest of the year is when
 they make all their profit for the year.

 Travis

 On 11/25/2014 11:15 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:

 If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your
 business is bad and you should feel bad.  And you won't see next year.

 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and
 negative numbers red.  Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn
 black.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the
 black, at least thats what I was told.

 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at
 Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”.  Does anyone
 know what the actual history of the name is?  I always thought it was a
 reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the
 black” financially for the year.  Is it really a reference to the almost 
 mob
 atmosphere that has occurred over the years?  If so, that is racist.  Of
 course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true.



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour



 Black Friday... now that is just racist!



 From: Mathew Howard via Af

 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM

 To: af@afmug.com

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour



 I saw a comment somewhere last night... Early Black Friday sale,
 everything 100% off in Ferguson.

 

 From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af
 [af@afmug.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM


 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour

 A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season.

 When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break ins
 and burglaries.

 One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and out
 in 2 minutes.

 The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed.



 Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they
 never helped the cops catch anyone.



 From: That One Guy via Af

 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM

 To: af@afmug.com

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour



 yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those
 stores that needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have
 ignored it all together and they would have rioted and looted, thats who
 they are, its what they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we take them
 and do them. We really arent any different than them



 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One
 comment I heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage that 
 [the
 media] had in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they would be really
 disappointed.  Expectations lead to results.

 If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected
 tonight, We expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have happened?



 On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

 I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has
 always been happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson normally
 would never be heard of outside the local area, if somebody hadn't decided
 that it was a good opportunity for rioting.

 

 From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af
 [af@afmug.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
 hour

 Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.



 Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly
 become more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the last
 year there hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings in the 
 last
 several years (as of the last year report I read).





 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Dymo label printers

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Yeah we use them a lot.  It's hard to explain how I do it, but there's a
bit of a trick to it.  Basically I put one end, print side down, on the tip
of my index finger (so it will make a little U shape) and hold it down with
the thumb of same hand.  The I push down with my other hand thumb nail and
sweep across it until I can catch the middle split edge and get it started.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Does anyone use the Dymo Rhino label printers?  I got one and love it --
 except for trying to peel the backing off labels.  It's a real pain and I
 end up ruining quite a few by stretching them or getting adhesive on my
 fingers then on the front of the label.   Any tricks I haven't figured out?
 --

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 InfoWest, Inc
 435-674-0165 x 2010
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Re: [AFMUG] Dymo label printers

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Note, we use a lot of the 1/4 labels, so the bend in half bit doesn't work
that great in my experience (but I've also got big dumb hands).  Larger
labels do a lot bettter with that though.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yeah we use them a lot.  It's hard to explain how I do it, but there's a
 bit of a trick to it.  Basically I put one end, print side down, on the tip
 of my index finger (so it will make a little U shape) and hold it down with
 the thumb of same hand.  The I push down with my other hand thumb nail and
 sweep across it until I can catch the middle split edge and get it started.

 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Does anyone use the Dymo Rhino label printers?  I got one and love it --
 except for trying to peel the backing off labels.  It's a real pain and I
 end up ruining quite a few by stretching them or getting adhesive on my
 fingers then on the front of the label.   Any tricks I haven't figured out?
 --

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 InfoWest, Inc
 435-674-0165 x 2010
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 contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information.

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 contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy
 the original message, all attachments and copies.

Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Haha funny, had a call with them Friday and then afterwards made the
same joke.  Really cool sounding product with the auto alignment and
live tracking features.  Ain't cheap.  Their sales guy was quite
knowledgeable and also understanding of the product offering and
market.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 http://pages.aoptix.com/rs/aoptixtechnologies/images/AOptix_Intellimax_MB2000_Datasheet.pdf

 http://thestack.com/aoptix-lasercomm-system-military-laser-radio-rollout-171114



 80 GHz QPSK link + parallel FSO OOK laser?  Claiming 10km five nines, I bet
 that's in ITU rain zone A (saudi arabian desert, etc).

 I wonder how it will stack up on real world performance in the Seattle area
 vs. a Bridgewave E-band link, 60cm dishes, +19 Tx power, QPSK modulation.

Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

If you two kids don't stop fighting I swear to god I'm pulling over this
car and slapping you with my ring hand.

On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Your cable and DSL is a lot slower and more expensive than it is here. The
 physics are easier to accomplish when you don't have to move as many bits
 through the air.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Sent: *Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:13:19 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium

 That's fine.

 We'll go back to running the same wisp that is taking both the cable co
 and clec's in-town customers and has been for the past 10 years... without
 sync.

  On 11/21/2014 06:39 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

 Those are very compelling, but not enough bits without bigger channels,
 which then need sync.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

  --
 *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 7:19:14 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium

 Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel,
 realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P

 On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

 you can swap it all out with epmp


 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote:

  It may work, but it will tank your throughput.

  On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote:

  Has anyone successfully implemented?

 �

 Jerry


 --
 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com




  --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


 --
 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com



 --
 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Mine will too, and won't let go until I kick it over to 2.4Ghz when I go
outside.  Mix of AP's.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 iOS devices have a mechanism in place that picks the best network between
 2.4 or 5ghz. I don't know specifically how it does it.  All my iDevices
 including my MBP will choose 5ghz first.

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 iPads are smart enough to do 5 GHz first, that's great!


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Currently there's three iPads on 5 Ghz. Stuck on 2.4 now are a printer
 an airrouter and an iPad. Of course most people are at work now, so tonight
 it'll be a different mix.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 2:28:25 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's

 What devices started using 5 GHz?  Every device I've ever used just went
 to 2.4 first and stayed there.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Get better devices?

 In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's

 I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house.  I had the same SSID
 (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  Not a single device used 5 GHz.

 I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my
 Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it.  It also works better than 2.4
 (noise thing I'm sure).  It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to
 push things off 2.4 onto 5.  I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to
 this that may help.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 That’s our policy also.  Then we get to manage them.  Need a dual band
 AirGateway next that’s less than $100.  We are seeing about 40Mbps through
 the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a
 5GHz version.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 via Af
 *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's



 yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not
 doing



 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our
 installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part 
 of
 our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test
 clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they
 didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced
 it, no charge.

 Again... customer service is what wins the day. :)

 Travis



 On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

 I really question if customers want a device to help them
 troubleshoot.  More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the
 customer, that’s what we’d want.  It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory
 trying to imagine what a regular person would want.



 The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in
 their internal network.  If you can monetize this by selling an onsite
 support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that
 charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is 
 not
 an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem.  Otherwise,
 refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls.



 What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed
 Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite
 support.  All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the
 problem for them.  Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them
 into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems.  I
 guess that points back to me being a poor salesman 

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
we'll all be doom!

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 circuit breaker...

 From: Ken Hohhof via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That
 involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of
 wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes you
 pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up
 all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there.  Then you
 climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi, plug
 it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put the
 grill back on.


 From: Bill Prince via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch (or
 re-init switch).

 bp

 On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

 I'd be happy to share in that job.

 My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot everything.

 Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
 Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug it
 back in.
 DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
 Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.

 These are all true stories.

 The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
 you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the things will all be
 participating in a botnet.

 finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
 falling!?!?

 hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 The apocalypse is coming!

 bp

 On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

 Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
 garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.

 And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
 can’t flush my toilet.”

 You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
 with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
 opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse
 has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
 connection to the collective.

 I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and now
 I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer
 or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate
 without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like
 handoff between APs?

 From: Josh Baird via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
 controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
 Install a unifi server ?

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 UBNT UniFi...one SSID

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
 Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
 someone make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Yeah I thought about that a few seconds after I hit send.  In addition
to the shutoff services and brownout situations discussed in
additional emails, one think I think it really neat is the concept of
being able to wire up various circuits into the smart meter so they
can shut down things like your AC when there's not enough power and
keep lights etc running instead of a total rolling brownout/blackout.
Kinda terrifying too having that level of control over your home, esp
when the Comcast-Warner-ATT-GE conglomerate is running everything.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 What do you think a smartmeter is?

 I compare it to cable.  With analog cable, they had to send a guy in a truck
 to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer can do it any
 time.  I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability.


 -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
 we'll all be doom!

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 circuit breaker...

 From: Ken Hohhof via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That
 involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of
 wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes you
 pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up
 all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there.  Then you
 climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi,
 plug
 it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put the
 grill back on.


 From: Bill Prince via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch (or
 re-init switch).

 bp

 On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

 I'd be happy to share in that job.

 My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
 everything.

 Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
 Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug
 it
 back in.
 DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
 Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.

 These are all true stories.

 The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
 you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the things will all be
 participating in a botnet.

 finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
 falling!?!?

 hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


 The apocalypse is coming!

 bp

 On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

 Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
 garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.

 And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
 can’t flush my toilet.”

 You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
 with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
 opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your
 smarthouse
 has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
 connection to the collective.

 I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and
 now
 I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless
 printer
 or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to
 operate
 without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?
 Like
 handoff between APs?

 From: Josh Baird via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
 controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows
 machine?
 Install a unifi server ?

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:


 UBNT UniFi...one SSID

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


 What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
 Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus
 or
 someone make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Kind of like how the GPS modules the car insurance companies are
pushing so hard are to save the *customer* money.  Sure.

Interesting point about the car chargers.  Wonder if the typical load
drop at night would be countered by the spike in charger demand and
you'd be limited to the charge ability.  Would suck to wake up in the
morning and your car not have enough juice to go to work.  Maybe you
can set a QoS on your power meter so some things get priority over
others.  I'd laugh if electric cars were more expensive to run than
gas cars in high $ electricity areas.  Smart metering does give a lot
of potential to manage this better though.  Or do some crazy kind of
electric car as grid power storage deal, where the car keeps X amt of
battery capacity for driving and Y amt for grid tie power storage.  Or
maybe I've had too much coffee this afternoon and am rambling.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Electric vehicle chargers come to mind.  You just want it charged by
 morning, but if everyone in a neighborhood sets their charger for midnight,
 it could be quite a hit to the local grid.  And if they give you a lower
 rate in return for letting them control when it charges, you would be
 interested.  I think so far the customer benefits have been all sizzle and
 no steak.  All the benefits have flowed to the power company in lower
 operations costs due to less meter readers, faster troubleshooting of
 outages, etc.


 -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 12:31 PM

 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Yeah I thought about that a few seconds after I hit send.  In addition
 to the shutoff services and brownout situations discussed in
 additional emails, one think I think it really neat is the concept of
 being able to wire up various circuits into the smart meter so they
 can shut down things like your AC when there's not enough power and
 keep lights etc running instead of a total rolling brownout/blackout.
 Kinda terrifying too having that level of control over your home, esp
 when the Comcast-Warner-ATT-GE conglomerate is running everything.

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 What do you think a smartmeter is?

 I compare it to cable.  With analog cable, they had to send a guy in a
 truck
 to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer can do it any
 time.  I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability.


 -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
 we'll all be doom!

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:


 circuit breaker...

 From: Ken Hohhof via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That
 involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of
 wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes
 you
 pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up
 all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there.  Then you
 climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi,
 plug
 it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put
 the
 grill back on.


 From: Bill Prince via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch (or
 re-init switch).

 bp

 On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

 I'd be happy to share in that job.

 My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
 everything.

 Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
 Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug
 it
 back in.
 DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
 Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.

 These are all true stories.

 The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
 you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the things will all be
 participating in a botnet.

 finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
 falling!?!?

 hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:



 The apocalypse is coming!

 bp

 On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

 Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
 garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.

 And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
 can’t flush my toilet.”

 You

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

sarcastic comment on how that would require an air device to have a
working NMS/controller



On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 If it is made by UBNT, then it would be the AirMeter.

 bp

 On 11/5/2014 1:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:

 Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters.  I'm
 calling it right now:  UniMeter.  Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart
 meters.  I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee.

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling brownouts/blackouts
 by
 carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of the
 lines
 by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give power
 companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the
 minimum
 requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can then
 be
 set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding
 brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt
 either.

 Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines going
 down
 (storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters will
 tell
 them where they have issues so they can route around much much much
 faster;
 other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a
 control
 panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated stick
 throwing a switch in the rain.

 It is a fascinating topic...

 Chuck

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to
 stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts

 I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of
 those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just tying
 onto
 the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people dump
 water
 on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine living
 over
 there. Linemen get beat up alot

 You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian issue,
 these
 poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the
 majority of
 the background images were of people powering consumer electronics...
 not a
 justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety
 benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power
 off to
 a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant
 experience.

 Chuck


 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  From ComEd smartmeter FAQ:

 Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching
 capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, then
 reconnects when the customer starts a new account.

 One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that ComEd
 can provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after the
 customer
 has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the
 transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one
 location to
 another within the ComEd service territory.

 I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether calling
 the electric company and having them remotely shut off the power
 makes it
 safe to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter.  (hell no)


 -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:06 AM

 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Well, maybe some of them.  I don't think the ones around here have
 that
 capability.  Wouldn't they have to have some large contactors and a
 relay?  I think that alone occupies a lot more space than the
 smartmeters occupy.

 For now I think they are mostly big brother watching.

 bp

 On 11/5/2014 8:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

 What do you think a smartmeter is?

 I compare it to cable.  With analog cable, they had to send a guy in
 a
 truck to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer
 can do it
 any time.  I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability.


 -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
 we'll all be doom!

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 circuit breaker...

 From: Ken Hohhof via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.
 That
 involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what
 kind
 of
 wrench you need to crank up the leveling

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

 an RSSI of
   something like
   -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM
   radio at -63
   or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something
   you can
   reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link
   pretending to be
   a fiber patch cable between two routers.
  
   Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with
   60cm size
   antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0
  
  
  
   On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af
   af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
   mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
  
   We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5
   miles, one
   60Mhz
   frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using
   2048QAM, uses two
   cores
   (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a
   combiner on the
   antenna.  Looks like any other single FODU
   install, very
   clean.  Not
   inexpensive however.
  
   On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via
 Af
   af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
   mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Cambium PTP820c
Exalt ExtremeAir
   
Both will give you 1gig in a single radio.
   
Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net
   mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000
   tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000
   
On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
   
   
Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links
   lately, which
   is the best
bargain?
   
*Peter Kranz
*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.UnwiredLtd.com
   http://www.UnwiredLtd.com
   http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
   tel:510-868-1614%20x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100
Mobile: 510-207- tel:510-207-
   tel:510-207- tel:510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
   mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
   mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com
   mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
   mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
   mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
  mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Here are the licensed paths that pass within 5 miles of one of my
 locations. That's not including all of the continually renewed PCNs.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:52:04 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio
 currently

 Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be
 pretty open.  Not bad yet but getting there.  10 years from now we'll be in
 rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel
 pairs as far as the eye could see.

 On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation).  ;-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio
 currently

 That we have announced, of course.

 Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6
 months either.  We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are
 less than a realistic 6 months out.

 FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd
 also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no
 hardware redundancy.  And no software keys.  And a 5 year warranty.

 Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well.  Trust me, the wait
 will be worth it.

 Daniel White – Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC

 Cell:  (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio
 currently
 
  Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one
 channel with
  XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower.
 Its all
  one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were
 huge
  requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks
 better
  since it will have full QoS control and OAM.
 
  Matthew Jenkins
  SmarterBroadband
  m...@sbbinc.net
  530.272.4000
 
  On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:
   matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra.  You could almost buy 2
   links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-)
  
  
  
   On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com
   mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
  
   All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I
   am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM
   features.
  
   Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k)
   Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k)
   Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about
   $35k?)
  
   Matthew Jenkins
   SmarterBroadband
   m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net
   530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000
  
   On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote:
  
   What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now?
   I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+?
  
   On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af
   af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
   mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
  
   Or thereabouts.  Our newest link was engineered for -43.
   No smoke.
  
   bp
  
   On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
  
   What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff
   I've dealt
   with has been engineered to be hotter than -40.
  
  
  
   -
   Mike Hammett
   Intelligent Computing Solutions
   http://www.ics-il.com
  
  
  
  
  https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
  
  omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent
  -
   computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

I don't have the calcs handy atm but it was calculated 5x9 at 2048QAM.
Short link though, 3.5 miles with 3'/4' dishes, RSL low 30's.  Quite
aware of how quick 2048 will drop down, and 80mhz channels would have
given more wiggle room to drop rates and still maintain 1Gbps but
there was a time crunch for the project and the 60mhz heads were in
stock.  Even at 256QAM the throughput is adequate *for this particular
application* if the fade is worse than calcs.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to
 run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1
 Gbps radio?

 If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to
 operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not
 much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines
 true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers.

 Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and
 the normal RSL is -35.0



 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz
 frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores
 (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the
 antenna.  Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean.  Not
 inexpensive however.

 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
  Cambium PTP820c
  Exalt ExtremeAir
 
  Both will give you 1gig in a single radio.
 
  Matthew Jenkins
  SmarterBroadband
  m...@sbbinc.net
  530.272.4000
 
  On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
 
 
  Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best
  bargain?
 
  *Peter Kranz
  *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
  www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

Honestly couldn't tell you, that's not my side of the house.  The only
numbers I saw included all the integration and such.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 General price?

 Peter Kranz
 Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:41 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

 We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency 
 pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in 
 a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna.  Looks like any other 
 single FODU install, very clean.  Not inexpensive however.

 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Cambium PTP820c
 Exalt ExtremeAir

 Both will give you 1gig in a single radio.

 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000

 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:


 Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best
 bargain?

 *Peter Kranz
 *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

There are a large number of possible software licenses available for
these platforms that can really move the price around.  Some are
needed, others unlikely for most of our applications.  Hard to compare
like for like without a side by side BOM comparison.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 That's my current understanding.

 I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unmentioned caveats.

 bp

 On 10/29/2014 10:05 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

 A question on your list:

 Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k)
 Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?)

 These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as
 well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the
 Ceragon variant?

 Peter Kranz
 Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

I agree to an extent, however there are some cases where I think it
makes sense.  For a platform that's a few $k, totally agree.  But some
of these high end systems support a ton of telco/celco derived
features that are not part of the standard transport feature set we
care about and that we'll never use and I don't want to have to pay
for the development and support costs for these features.   Things
like e-sync, incredibly complex QoS mechanisms, blah blah are
expensive to develop and I can see charging extra for it for the
limited uptake instead of rolling that cost into all sales.

On the other hand, having to pay for a speed key to go faster than
10Mbps or use ACM is frustrating.  In an ideal world we wouldn't have
to deal with this, but as a product develops and has a long life
cycle, these kinds of things are going to happen.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Nothing is more rage inducing than the term software license

 Sent from my portable confuser

 On Oct 29, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 There are a large number of possible software licenses available for
 these platforms that can really move the price around.  Some are
 needed, others unlikely for most of our applications.  Hard to compare
 like for like without a side by side BOM comparison.

 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 That's my current understanding.

 I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unmentioned caveats.

 bp

 On 10/29/2014 10:05 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

 A question on your list:

 Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k)
 Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?)

 These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as
 well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the
 Ceragon variant?

 Peter Kranz
 Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz
frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores
(same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the
antenna.  Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean.  Not
inexpensive however.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Cambium PTP820c
 Exalt ExtremeAir

 Both will give you 1gig in a single radio.

 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000

 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:


 Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best
 bargain?

 *Peter Kranz
 *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

My eye just started twitching and it won't stop...

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Ryan Spott via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Yeah. It was a little ugly. It pretty much boiled down to: if you are
 placing wires that could have current placed on them then you should be an
 electrician. (Read that sentence carefully for humor and horror!)

 Just check your local code interpretations to not get smacked.

 ryan


 --
 D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
 broadband | telco | colo | community
 PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284
 360-799-0552 | gtalk:rsp...@irongoat.net

 On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:01, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Oh wow!



 That’s like every single WISP operator then!



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott via Af
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:45 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza



 Check your local electrical codes for wiring power over Ethernet.



 Things got sticky in WA state over this issue and it took considerable
 effort to change the electrical rules.

 ryan


 On Oct 13, 2014, at 07:38, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Yeah GigE PoE.



 The GigE PoE adapters are cheap and work well with the RB260 models.



 I like it that way, then the customer can decide if they want to put on 100
 hours of battery backup or not.



 We just maintain the outside device at the Demarc on the side of their
 house.





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
 Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:44 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza





 stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still needs
 power.  what if the point you enter the house does not have power right
 there?  how do you hook that up?  utilize POE in some shape, form, or
 fashion?

 - Original Message -

 From: Gino Villarini via Af

 To: af@afmug.com

 Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza



 Still using the firce10 switches?

 Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!




 On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily
 paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for
 operations.

 Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost.

 It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance.

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

 Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban
 neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the
 investment in fiber.

 Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if
 you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be?

 On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set
 up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.

 GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit
 that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON.

 Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.

 My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for
 hundreds a POP.

 A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant.

 The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.

 That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton
 of conduit, boxes and fiber strands.

 My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.

 Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.

 It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and
 asset.

 Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.

 I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE.

 The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a
 cheaper transceiver.

 I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the
 ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.

 We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI
 right now.

 I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get
 their traditional phone and TV elsewhere.

 Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used
 to have with a WISP.

 This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.

 Costs more though.

 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

 So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling.  So far so good.

 Tomorrow