Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
The air is the buffer. Store data in the air. Each side transmits at the same time for half the amount of time that it takes to make the trip. Then it stops to catch what is flying in from the other side. Should work like a champ for long links. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures out how long the bits take to fly through the air. I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how that works. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Jeremy's towers are like 10 or 20 feet on top of a building or high up land. Not to mention the conversion kits aren't even necessary. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Luckily I already completed most of our AF5X conversions that were on a tower. These adapters are for some upcoming deployments on Rocket dishes that we have in stock. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: These are *not* really made for doing on a tower. The screws and threads are too small. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/05/2015 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Luckily I already completed most of our AF5X conversions that were on a tower. These adapters are for some upcoming deployments on Rocket dishes that we have in stock. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: These are *not* really made for doing on a tower. The screws and threads are too small. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/05/2015 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Our towers aren't like the ones that many of you are used to though. The tallest tower on my network currently is 65'. However, our 35' tower is 1000' off the valley floor. It's rough terrain for a WISP, that's for sure. LOL. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I have actual tower sites too. I just prefer to keep my backhaul wind load off of the tower. Here is my latest creation... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Jeremy's towers are like 10 or 20 feet on top of a building or high up land. Not to mention the conversion kits aren't even necessary. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Luckily I already completed most of our AF5X conversions that were on a tower. These adapters are for some upcoming deployments on Rocket dishes that we have in stock. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: These are *not* really made for doing on a tower. The screws and threads are too small. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/05/2015 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
These are *not* really made for doing on a tower. The screws and threads are too small. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/05/2015 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Wo that's a good picture!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I have actual tower sites too. I just prefer to keep my backhaul wind load off of the tower. Here is my latest creation... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Jeremy's towers are like 10 or 20 feet on top of a building or high up land. Not to mention the conversion kits aren't even necessary. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Luckily I already completed most of our AF5X conversions that were on a tower. These adapters are for some upcoming deployments on Rocket dishes that we have in stock. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: These are *not* really made for doing on a tower. The screws and threads are too small. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/05/2015 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
It also comes with a phillips tip (I'm assuming it must be a magical anti-crusty tip) and new screws! On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
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It would make me want to take a trip out to the tower after those customer support calls from hell. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Wo that's a good picture!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I have actual tower sites too. I just prefer to keep my backhaul wind load off of the tower. Here is my latest creation... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Jeremy's towers are like 10 or 20 feet on top of a building or high up land. Not to mention the conversion kits aren't even necessary. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Luckily I already completed most of our AF5X conversions that were on a tower. These adapters are for some upcoming deployments on Rocket dishes that we have in stock. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: These are *not* really made for doing on a tower. The screws and threads are too small. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 05/05/2015 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? From: Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Wow it's like a postcard for WISPs. On Tuesday, May 5, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I have actual tower sites too. I just prefer to keep my backhaul wind load off of the tower. Here is my latest creation... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: Jeremy's towers are like 10 or 20 feet on top of a building or high up land. Not to mention the conversion kits aren't even necessary. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jeremysmi...@gmail.com'); wrote: Luckily I already completed most of our AF5X conversions that were on a tower. These adapters are for some upcoming deployments on Rocket dishes that we have in stock. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@spitwspots.com'); wrote: These are *not* really made for doing on a tower. The screws and threads are too small. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/05/2015 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jeremysmi...@gmail.com'); wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jeremysmi...@gmail.com'); wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com'); wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jeremysmi...@gmail.com'); *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','samtaos...@gmail.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com'); wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jon-ispli...@michwave.net'); wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com'); wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: blockquote In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: blockquote I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: blockquote So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: blockquote Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
The Rx and Tx Channel ranges are the same Chuck On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
While I have seen that work with AF24, I am not sure I have seen it work with AF5/5U. Certainly not a recommended mode of operation Chuck On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Maybe the question was can TX and RX be set to the same frequency on the AF5 in FDD mode, given that it is using separate antennas rather than a diplexer. *From:* Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:49 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X The Rx and Tx Channel ranges are the same Chuck On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
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Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
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AirHole. Blond guy that is both dumb and an ass. AirHole.
From: Ben Moore
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Who is to say a wormBeam isn't already in the works? ;) I have to admit...I am
partial to AirHole...
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:48 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
WormBeam for the win.
Matt Hardy and Ben Moore better be taking notes.
Can’t be a Ubiquiti product ... name doesn’t contain “air” or “tough” or
“fi” or “beam”.
How about WormBeam, or AirHole.
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ?
Confused :)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
From: Matt Hardy mailto:m...@ubnt.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:08:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Exactly :)
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would
be better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles,
transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start
transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53 microseconds, the
incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that
by the time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking and can
now listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk because I'm
listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short
bursts no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air. So we
both send our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the other end, we
both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to allow
for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it
figures out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a
two lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP
to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how that
works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We
didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around
0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency
would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going
to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar
better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a
licensed backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of
the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you
give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in
replacement for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it.
It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I tried it on an AF5 link... just because... I couldn't make it work. you need to have some separation between the two channels. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: While I have seen that work with AF24, I am not sure I have seen it work with AF5/5U. Certainly not a recommended mode of operation Chuck On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Maybe the question was can TX and RX be set to the same frequency on the AF5 in FDD mode, given that it is using separate antennas rather than a diplexer. *From:* Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:49 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X The Rx and Tx Channel ranges are the same Chuck On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Maybe the question was can TX and RX be set to the same frequency on the AF5 in FDD mode, given that it is using separate antennas rather than a diplexer. From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X The Rx and Tx Channel ranges are the same Chuck On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Who is to say a wormBeam isn't already in the works? ;) I have to
admit...I am partial to AirHole...
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:48 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
WormBeam for the win.
Matt Hardy and Ben Moore better be taking notes.
Can’t be a Ubiquiti product ... name doesn’t contain “air” or “tough”
or “fi” or “beam”.
How about WormBeam, or AirHole.
*From:* Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
*Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2015 9:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ?
Confused :)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
--
*From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2015 9:08:44 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Exactly :)
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be
better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles,
transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start
transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53 microseconds, the
incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by
the time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking and can
now listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk because I'm
listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short bursts
no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air. So we both
send our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the other end, we
both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to
allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures
out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two
lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP
to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how
that works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you
give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and
drop-in
replacement for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's
more to
it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? From: Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Yeah, it just kind of barely sits there, but it isn't going anywhere. It definitely doesn't 'lock' in. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is it flimsy at all? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
If you use the adapter, it should be fine. Shouldn't need the RF Armor radio box, but I haven't compared them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 12:27:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? From: Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: blockquote In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: blockquote I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: blockquote I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: blockquote So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: blockquote Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Is it flimsy at all? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I haven't tried any of the conversion kits, but the thing that concerns me is that I've tried pulling the back piece off a couple Rocket dishes that had been pulled from towers, and the screws were all too crusty to get out - even on the ground, so I can't imagine that being too easy working on a tower. That said, I did try taking apart a new/unused feedhorn, and it didn't seem to be an issue, so it might be fine on the newer ones with the plastic cover over the back... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest PITA about modifying our existing dishes was taking off and putting back on the raydomes. It appears that is not an issue with these, as it is actually the back that you replace. Cool! Oooo, look what just arrived! Now if only the next batch of AF5X would arrive On May 5, 2015 1:21 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: My adapter kits just shipped yesterday from Streakwave, so I am not sure yet. These ones that I sent a picture of are modified feedhorns. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What about if you use their adapter kit (the one that also converts to dual slant)? I’m guessing my RF Armor radio shields are scrap though? *From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Actually, they will slide right onto the Rocket dish if you only use the top two pins. They won't directly bolt on to the old dishes due to the GPS connector being in the way, but you can use them on any antenna you want. There's nothing proprietary about them. Just need pigtails and a method of mounting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:38:01 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Can the 5x be installed on older Ubnt rocket 30 dbi dishes? or would I need to install new dishes to accommodate the new radios? On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you have to use different channels for RX and TX... which can also be a significant advantage in some cases. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Is like old time slot or slice spread spectrum systems used by military? Jaime Solorza On May 5, 2015 8:49 AM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: The Rx and Tx Channel ranges are the same Chuck On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Or time chirp ? Jaime Solorza On May 5, 2015 8:49 AM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: The Rx and Tx Channel ranges are the same Chuck On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
WormBeam for the win.
Matt Hardy and Ben Moore better be taking notes.
Can’t be a Ubiquiti product ... name doesn’t contain “air” or “tough”
or “fi” or “beam”.
How about WormBeam, or AirHole.
*From:* Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net
*Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2015 9:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ?
Confused :)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
*From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2015 9:08:44 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Exactly :)
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer
links would be better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit
into a microsecond? At 10 miles, transit time is a little
over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start
transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53
microseconds, the incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the
assumption that by the time you receive my
transmission you will have stopped talking and can now
listen, I have the additional problem that I can't
talk because I'm listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in
extremely short bursts no longer than the time the
bits take to fly through the air. So we both send our
tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the
other end, we both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we
can grab the bits. Modify this to allow for OFDM
cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections,
etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD
mode where it figures out how long the bits take
to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on
one lane of a two lane road, and somehow the
flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to
SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't
wrap my head around how that works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup
(Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at
3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average
is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But
I'd guess latency would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode,
which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because
it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub
millisecond like a licensed backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to
a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup
(Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise
explanation somewhere of the difference
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ?
Confused :)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
- Original Message -
From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:08:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Exactly :)
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be
better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles,
transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start
transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53 microseconds,
the
incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by
the
time
you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking and can now
listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk because I'm
listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short bursts
no
longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air. So we both
send
our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the other end, we
both
stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to
allow
for
OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures
out
how
long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two
lane
road,
and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to
SLOW
before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how that
works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency
would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds
and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference
between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give
up
with
the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in
replacement
for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas,
and
doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it.
It's
not
jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Can’t be a Ubiquiti product ... name doesn’t contain “air” or “tough” or “fi”
or “beam”.
How about WormBeam, or AirHole.
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ?
Confused :)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:08:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Exactly :)
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be
better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles,
transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start
transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53 microseconds, the
incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by
the time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking and can now
listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk because I'm listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short bursts
no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air. So we both send
our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the other end, we both stop
xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to allow for OFDM
cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures
out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two
lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to
SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how that
works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency
would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up
with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement
for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it.
It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I am about to install an AF5X on a 19 mile shot. I'd never do that with
AF5.
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be
better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles,
transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start
transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53 microseconds, the
incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by the
time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking and can now
listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk because I'm
listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short bursts
no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air. So we both
send our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the other end, we
both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to
allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures
out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two lane
road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to
SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how that
works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you
give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and
drop-in
replacement for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more
to
it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Exactly :)
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be
better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles,
transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start
transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53 microseconds, the
incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by the
time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking and can now
listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk because I'm
listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short bursts
no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air. So we both
send our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the other end, we
both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the bits. Modify this to
allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures
out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two lane
road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to
SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how that
works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you
give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and
drop-in
replacement for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more
to
it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures
out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two
lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from
STOP to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head
around how that works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what
you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power,
and drop-in replacement for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's
more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
The AF5x will go down to the 5.1GHz, the AF5 is limited to 5.4GHz. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 3:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would
be better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10
miles, transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends
could start transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53
microseconds, the incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by
the time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking
and can now listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk
because I'm listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short
bursts no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air.
So we both send our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the
other end, we both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the
bits. Modify this to allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to
multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it
figures out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two
lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign
from STOP to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my
head around how that works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and
what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower
power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure
there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures out how long the bits take to fly through the air. I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head around how that works. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
AF5x can be used for your 5 GHz backhauls. It rocks. AF5 is full duplex and eats up a ton of spectrum. You're limited to the 23dbi antennas. It is not as good. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: The AF5x will go down to the 5.1GHz, the AF5 is limited to 5.4GHz. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 3:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be
better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10
miles, transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could
start transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53
microseconds, the incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by
the time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking and
can now listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk
because I'm listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short
bursts no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air.
So we both send our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the
other end, we both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the
bits. Modify this to allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to
multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures
out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two
lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from
STOP to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my head
around how that works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what
you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power,
and drop-in replacement for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's
more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
