Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

[JR]

I think that is Joao do Couto, not Jose do Couto. Compare the name with the 
witnesses, where one is Joao Jose and it is identical to the groom's Joao. 
Also this writer has a distinct accent (') tick for José, and a tilde (~) 
for João.

JR

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *You did not say what his wife’s name was but here is a marriage of a Jose 
> do Couto.  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843_item1/P26.html
>  
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843_item1/P26.html>
>  
> *
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Lee, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com   > *On Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2020 12:14 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.
>
>  
>
> HI Rob,
>
>  
>
> You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada, 
> going one by one. 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite  > wrote:
>
> Hi 
>
>  
>
> I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta 
> Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .
>
> He was also married in the same village in 1837. 
>
>  
>
> Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards
>
>  
>
> Rob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I thought I acknowledged the error in my earlier comments. How it got there 
I don't recall. I just made some other corrections taken from the Ribeira 
Quente casamentos index.

Bottom line, check your files against the records if you want to be 
accurate.

JR 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 9:10:42 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca 
> Rosa de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his 
> genealogy program because he wrote this:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Of course the baptism date for Francisco should be 1859.

JR

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 2:18:48 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Oh but there is. The pattern of births for this couple is more unusual 
> than most. Here is Francisco, who must have went on to marry because there 
> is certificate for him in 1895. I will send the rest to your email address.
>
> JR
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P95.html
>
> Francisco, born- March 27 1859, bap- April 3- 1858, filho de Joao da Silva 
> and Maria Roza, nats Ribeira Quente, Francisco Goncalo and Claudina Roza 
> filhos familias de Jose Goncalo deste lugar.
> certified, sept 3- 1895
>
> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> hi Cheri,
>>>
>>
>>I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
>> directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
>> Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
>> brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
>> mystery there. 
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Oh but there is. The pattern of births for this couple is more unusual than 
most. Here is Francisco, who must have went on to marry because there is 
certificate for him in 1895. I will send the rest to your email address.

JR

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P95.html

Francisco, born- March 27 1859, bap- April 3- 1858, filho de Joao da Silva 
and Maria Roza, nats Ribeira Quente, Francisco Goncalo and Claudina Roza 
filhos familias de Jose Goncalo deste lugar.
certified, sept 3- 1895

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
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> hi Cheri,
>>
>
>I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
> directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
> Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
> brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
> mystery there. 
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I have a couple more siblings for Claudina da Silva. Do you want me to send 
them? 

JR

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> It's always the computer's fault!
>
> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they 
> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much 
> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records 
> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I 
> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St 
> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that 
> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But 
> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>
> Elaine 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[JR]

No luck this time. I don't have any Moreira's in late Vila Franca. It's not 
that common but there are some.

JR

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 10:50:10 AM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> JR, good Morning 
> Do you have any Moreira families from Vila Franca do Campo?  This Moreira 
> may be from there because the mentioned place is  S Miguel Arcanjo which to 
> me points to Vila Franca.
> Margaret V.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:33 AM, JR > wrote:
>
> I see the name Maiato. This name has its origins and appears in Ribeira 
> Grande in larger numbers than elsewhere. There is also a branch in Rabo de 
> Peixe. Moreira also appears frequently in Ribeira Grande.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 12:35:41 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Hi Azores researchers,
>>
>>  
>>
>> My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao 
>> Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to 
>> John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to 
>> Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about 
>> 1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and 
>> is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after 
>> getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria 
>> Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta 
>> Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato, 
>> Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have 
>> been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao 
>> Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are 
>> fourth cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other 
>> family for testing at this time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Sherry
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[JR]

I see the name Maiato. This name has its origins and appears in Ribeira 
Grande in larger numbers than elsewhere. There is also a branch in Rabo de 
Peixe. Moreira also appears frequently in Ribeira Grande.

JR

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 12:35:41 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com
>
>
> Hi Azores researchers,
>
>  
>
> My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao 
> Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to 
> John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to 
> Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about 
> 1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and 
> is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after 
> getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria 
> Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta 
> Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato, 
> Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have 
> been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao 
> Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.
>
>  
>
> Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are 
> fourth cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other 
> family for testing at this time.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sherry
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I've corrected that, thanks. Amusingly my my program said do you want to 
merge these individuals...what, what do you mean... shut up computer, I am 
the boss and never make mistakes;)

JR

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
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>
>
> JR - Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Here is what I have:

JR

 

*Descendants of Antonio de Melo Barbosa*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  ANTONIO DE MELO BARBOSA was born Abt. 1858 in Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.  He married CLAUDINA DE JESUS DA SILVA 16 Jul 1884 in Sao Paulo de 
Ribeira Quente, daughter of JOAO SILVA and MARIA.  She was born Abt. 1863 
in Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.



Children of ANTONIO MELO BARBOSA and CLAUDINA SILVA are:

  i.MANUEL8, b. 25 Apr 1885, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

  ii.MARIA, b. 17 Nov 1886, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

2.  iii.ANTONIO DE MELO, b. 26 Feb 1889, Sao Paulo de 
Ribeira Quente; d. 11 May 1958, New Bedford, MA.

 iv.JOSE, b. 09 Mar 1891, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 v.ROSA, b. 30 Jun 1892, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 vi.VIRGINIA, b. 23 Mar 1893, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

vii.MANUEL, b. 03 Dec 1894, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

   viii.MARIA, b. 11 Dec 1897, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 ix.JOAO DE MELO OR JOHN DE MELLO, b. 30 May 1900, Sao 
Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 x.FRANCISCO, b. 10 Feb 1902, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

 

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:37:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> They registered to leave 3 April 1902. Unless they went twice. The link I 
> gave you is 1902.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:34 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> thanks, Cheri -
>>
>> I looked at the immigration papers from Ellis Island and he is listed as 
>> having no years -it looks like whomever was writing down the information 
>> got the lines out of sync because it says laborer off to the right and I 
>> thought it was a different person, but it does look like he came over with 
>> the family in 1901.  Interesting find!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>>
>>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather 
>>>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in 
>>>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in 
>>>> the 
>>>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who 
>>>> was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm 
>>>> that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>>>
>>>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born 
>>>> May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the 
>>>> date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the 
>>>> relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right 
>>>> Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly 
>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the 
>>>> priest had good penmanship for a change!  
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Elaine 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Guilhermina Camara’s birth certificate

[JR]

This matches the findings so far. Note that Maria de Jesus (probably 
Camara) is her sister married Manuel Correia. See below. I sent the rese 
via private email. Just one more generation:

 

*Ancestors of Guilhermina Camara*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  *Guilhermina Camara,* born 14 Oct 1887 in NS da Apresentacao 
das Capelas.  She was the daughter of *2. Francisco da Camara Salgado* and *3. 
Maria de Jesus*.

 

Notes for Guilhermina Camara:

>From Margaret V.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1880-1889_item1/P422.html

 

Baptism of NS da Apresentacao das Capelas, Concelho de Ponta Delgada, Sao 
Miguel Azores.

 

N.o 99  Guilhermina

 

baptized Oct 30 1887

 

born on  Oct 14 1887

 

Parents:  Francisco da Camara Salgado, laborer, and of Maria de Jesus, 
housewife, naturals of Capelas and residents of Pedreira Street

 

Paternal grandchild of:  Jose da Camara Salgado and Maria de Jesus

 

Maternal grandchild of: Francisco Pavao de Medeiros and Umbelina Candida de 
Jesus

 

Godparents: Manuel da Camara Salgado, married, laborers and for the 
Godmother the invocation our Our Lady.

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

*2.*  *Francisco da Camara Salgado,* born Abt. 1848 in NS da 
Apresentacao das Capelas.  He was the son of *4. Jose da Camara Salgado* 
and *5. Maria Jacinta de Jesus*.  He married *3. Maria de Jesus* 25 Sep 1872 
in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas.

*3.*  *Maria de Jesus,* born Abt. 1849 in NS da Apresentacao das 
Capelas.  She was the daughter of *6. Francisco Pavao de Medeiros* and *7. 
Umbelina Candida de Jesus*.

 

Marriage Notes for Francisco Camara Salgado and Maria:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1870-1879_item1/P41.html

 

No-23, Sept 25- 1872, Capelas; Francisco da Camara Salgado married to Maria 
de Jesus, both natives of Capelas; he is 24 yrs old Campaneo; she is 23 yrs 
old, domestica.



Children of Francisco Camara Salgado and Maria are:

  i.Manuel, born 20 Jul 1873 in NS da 
Apresentacao das Capelas.

 

Notes for Manuel:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P104.html

 

No- 50, Manoel, bap- 27 Jul 1873; Pad, Manoel da Camara, militar, residente 
na Cidade da Ponta Delgada; Madrinha, Maria Candida, moradora nesta freg, 
solteiros.

 

 

 

 ii.Maria de Jesus [Camara], born 15 May 1875 
in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas; married Manuel Correia Bizania 06 Feb 
1896 in NS da Apresentacao das Capelas; born Abt. 1876 in NS da 
Apresentacao das Capelas.

 

Notes for Maria de Jesus [Camara]:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P172.html

 

Maria, No-37, bap- May 23- 1875, Pad, Manoel da Camara, militar, residente 
na Cidade da Ponta Delgada; Madrinha, Maria Candida, moradora nesta freg, 
solteiros.

 

Note 1- Faleceu (died) 23-12-1858 deste conservatoria da Ponta Delgada, 
29-12- 1858.

 

This is most likely her sister, Maria da Camara.

 

 

Marriage Notes for Maria [Camara] and Manuel Correia Bizania:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html

 

marriage no-4; they are both 20 yrs old, single, living and baptised in 
Capelas.

 

1   iii.Guilhermina Camara, born 14 Oct 1887 in NS 
da Apresentacao das Capelas.

 

 



On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 6:22:44 PM UTC-5, Elaine Silvia wrote:
>
> As far as I know when she went back to see her sister Mary Camara it was 
> CapelaS. 
> Thank you.
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 5:40 PM Cheri Mello > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Elaine S,
>>
>> Sao Miguel island has a freguesia (village) called CapelaS. Not Capela. 
>> There's a Capelo on the island of Faial as well. I just want to be sure 
>> that you are interested in Capelas (a freguesia), on the island of Sao 
>> Miguel, which is one of the Azores Islands. No need to state that it's in 
>> the Azores, since that is why this group exists. If it is indeed Capelas on 
>> Sao Miguel island, please confirm so we can provide the correct information.
>> Thanks,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 2:34 PM Elaine > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, my name is Elaine Silvia. I am searching for my great 
>>> grandmother’s birth certificate. She was born in Sao Miguel, Capela, 
>>> Azores. I am searching for information on her, her parents and her family. 
>>> I have no idea how to approach this. I am looking for help. She immigrated 
>>> and lived in Fall River, Ma. Her birth date is 8 October 1887 and she 
>>> passes away in July 1976. They lived on at 345 Lindsey Street and 166 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

[JR]

Can't help you with photos. But I may be able to help unblock where you are 
stuck in your line. 

You wrote "I have been researching my surname and have found through 
records 4 generations of Manuel Lourenco Bonito, my grandfather's, stuck at 
early 1800s into 1700s." 

Do you have a date and time for the earliest generation? From what I have, 
about ten offshoot lines, they all seem to lead back to Manoel Lourenco 
Bonito and Maria Isabel. They married circa 1832, but there is not an exact 
match for them in Lomba da Maia or Maia. So I suspect a name change or 
variance of some kind.

JR

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>
> Hi JR 
>
> Have confirmation on them all, just hoping to find more info and or photos

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

[JR]

>From what I can tell, so far, there may be a name mix-up or change in this 
line of Lomba da Maia and that may account for why you are stuck.

JR

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 10:58:19 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> These look similar to the Lomba da Maia Sousa Bonito's, yet they do not 
> match. Do you have any dates or time lines?
>
> Is this the same Manuel de sousa Bonito cc Maria Isabel, Ponta Garca, Aug 
> 19- 1819; Their descendants used Bonito in Lomba da Maia.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Ana Bonito wrote:
>>
>> Hi JR 
>> Grandfather's 
>> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Rosa Albina (Rosa Cordeiro Vigario 
>> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Jacinta Rosa do Monte 
>> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Maria Isabel do Rego 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

[JR]

These look similar to the Lomba da Maia Sousa Bonito's, yet they do not 
match. Do you have any dates or time lines?

Is this the same Manuel de sousa Bonito cc Maria Isabel, Ponta Garca, Aug 
19- 1819; Their descendants used Bonito in Lomba da Maia.

JR

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Ana Bonito wrote:
>
> Hi JR 
> Grandfather's 
> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Rosa Albina (Rosa Cordeiro Vigario 
> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Jacinta Rosa do Monte 
> Manuel lourenco bonito married to Maria Isabel do Rego 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

[JR]

No Couto Bonito's in my files. I have some form Ribeira Quente, Maia and 
Lomba da Maia. There are others in many villages.

JR

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:37:00 PM UTC-5, NancyC wrote:
>
> Dear Ana and JR, 
>
> It is my understanding also that Bonito started out a nickname. My 
> father’s baptism record lists him as Eduardo Couto Bonito, and my 
> grandfather is listed on his marriage record as João do Couto Bonito. My 
> family dropped the Bonito when they came to the U.S. I would be interested 
> to know if either of you have Couto Bonitos in your files, especially from 
> Arrifes, Relva, or São José.
>
> Nancy
>
> P.S. I believe there is also a family called Couto Feio, which suggests 
> that the nickname has nothing to do with fish.
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2019, at 10:12 AM, JR > wrote:
>
> If I may, who was Manuel Lourenco Bonito married to? I have some Bonitos 
> in my files and would like to see if they are related. Bonito means pretty 
> and fine, but it is also a fish, a kind of tuna. And may be the source of 
> the nickname, as many people were fishermen.
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ana,
>>
>> The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the 
>> island of Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the 
>> Civil Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, 
>> you may be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and 
>> an exact date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL. 
>> Someone here on this list will have it.
>>
>> The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of 
>> the records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use 
>> Tombo.pt to see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized. 
>> What you see on the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through 
>> Tombo.pt is all that exists.
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.  
>>> I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from 
>>> tombo and genweb.  
>>> Any other sites to recommend?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname BONITO - Lomba da maia, Sao miguel

[JR]

If I may, who was Manuel Lourenco Bonito married to? I have some Bonitos in 
my files and would like to see if they are related. Bonito means pretty and 
fine, but it is also a fish, a kind of tuna. And may be the source of the 
nickname, as many people were fishermen.

JR

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:48:48 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Ana,
>
> The Azores government digitized what was available to them. For the island 
> of Sao Miguel, that was up to 1905. After 1905, you have to use the Civil 
> Registry for Ribeira Grande.  If you are still a Portuguese citizen, you 
> may be able to order the records online, provided you have a name and an 
> exact date. I had to get a new computer and I no longer have the URL. 
> Someone here on this list will have it.
>
> The Azores government digitized from 1905 going back to the beginning of 
> the records. Every freguesia is different with their start dates. Use 
> Tombo.pt to see how far back your freguesia goes and what was digitized. 
> What you see on the Azores government site (the CCA) by going through 
> Tombo.pt is all that exists.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:43 PM Ana Bonito  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri thanks for reply, was looking for 1800 onward to 1940s.  
>> I have exhausted both sites and have binders printed of indexes from 
>> tombo and genweb.  
>> Any other sites to recommend?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

[JR]

13th of March; note the e at end of treze. Note the father is from Bretanha 
and the mother, Antonia Jacintha is from Ginetes. Godfather is o tio 
(uncle), Joao Pavao e sua mulher Gertrudes de Jesus. So Joao Pavao is the 
brother of Antonia Jacinta.

JR

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 10:46:35 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> There's 3 Manuels on that page. I hope you are looking at the left side, 
> 3rd entry.
>
> "de Jesus" is the paternal grandmother. The maternal is Francisca de Jesus.
>
> Baptized on the 13th.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:15 PM Luis Arruda  > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
>> Hello everyone,
>> I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal record 
>> contains.
>> I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the legitimate son 
>> of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha. 
>> It appears he was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the 
>> 13th ( or is 3rd ) of March in the same year.
>>
>> I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De 
>> Souza Coelho and Antonia  De?. ( is that de Jesus?).
>> His maternal grandparents are Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) 
>> I am unable to decipher her first or last name.
>>
>> Thanking everyone in advance.
>> Luis Arruda
>> Hamilton, ON
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage translation

[JR]

I thought you were looking for Manuel da Costa and Umbelina Rosa ancestry?

This one states:
Santa Cruz da Lagoa, Dec 7- 1818, Antonio Correia de Amaral cc Umbelina 
Roza de Jesus, 

JR

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:08:46 PM UTC-5, Lizmig wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1781-1820/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1781-1820_item1/P196.html
>
> I think I found the right one I was looking for.  Rosemarie...
> Can someone tell me all the names.
> and did they get married in Santa Cruz Is that the church.  It says 
> something about Nossa Senhora Rosario but I don't know what.
>
> thank you for your help.
>
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bride and Groom name

[JR]

The Costa line is aka, Manuel da Costa Galego. 

JR

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:32:41 PM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Yep, JR is right, it's Theodora not Theresa! Sorry. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:51 AM Elizabeth Migliori  > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1799-1832/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1799-1832_item1/P310.html
>>
>> Hello
>> Can someone tell me who the groom is and the bride's parents.  I believe 
>> the bride's name is Umbelina Rosa
>>
>> Thank you
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bride and Groom name

[JR]

Almost there. May 20- 1821, Rozario da Lagoa, married Manoel da Costa filho 
de Manoel da Costa and Joanna de Jesus, defunta, com Umbelina Roza Leonor 
filha de Joze de Medeiros and Theodora Francisca, defunta, ambos baptizados 
nesta paroquial (Rosario da Lagoa).

JR
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:18:43 PM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Liz, the groom is Manuel de Costa son of the same name & Joana de Jesus. 
> Bride's parents Jose de Madeiros (I think) and Theresa Francisca (already 
> dead). 
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:51 AM Elizabeth Migliori  > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1799-1832/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1799-1832_item1/P310.html
>>
>> Hello
>> Can someone tell me who the groom is and the bride's parents.  I believe 
>> the bride's name is Umbelina Rosa
>>
>> Thank you
>> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: trying to read where Jose Cabral was baptised

[JR]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1774-1783/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1774-1783_item1/P122.html

Maia baptisms, Joze, born- Oct 12- 1780, bap- Oct 19- 1780, filho de Joze 
de Souza Cabral natural de DES, Maia and Anna Pacheca, natural de NS da 
Graca do Porto Formoso: Pad- Jose de Sa e sua irmao Roza de Sa, filhos 
familias de Antonio de Sa and Josepha de Medeiros desta freguesia.

JR

On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 1:45:53 PM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> This says Jose de Sousa, son of Jose de Sousa Cabral and Ana Pacheca, both 
> deceased; marrying Maria de Pimentel, daughter of Jose de Pimentel Branco 
> and Rosa de Medeiros, both deceased.
>
> Both bride and groom were baptized in this same parish (Maia)
>
> Bill Seidler
>  
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 9:21:55 AM UTC-7, R Downey wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 1:14:03 AM UTC+9, R Downey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1797-1812/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1797-1812_item1/P165.html
>>>
>>> Can someone help me figure this out.  Jose Cabral son of Jose de Sousa 
>>> Cabral and Anna Pacheco.  I am trying to figure out where his baptism 
>>> record would be.  
>>>
>>> This is his marriage to his first wife who is not my grandmother so it 
>>> is really just his info that I am trying to find.  I have his marriage to 
>>> my line, but there is less details then this one and the names are 
>>> incorrect.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> I also wanted to add that he went by Jose Sousa Cabral and also Manuel on 
>> a few documents so the records I have found are different every time. 
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: opinions best online resources

[JR]

What you see here on Azores List is about the best source there is. Unless 
you want more recent American documents, I wouldn't waste your money.  
Don't forget, there is no one out there translating and posting Portuguese 
documents for free. The sources you already have, plus this site, and the 
free https://www.familysearch.org/en/home/, is the best there is. Just keep 
researching and posting and someone will help. This really is a generous 
and knowledgeable group.

JR


On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 12:00:29 AM UTC-4, R Downey wrote:
>
> Can anyone suggest their favorite source for online Portuguese Ancestry 
> whether it is a paid subscription service or not?  I am just curious if 
> there are some out there that I am not aware and currently thinking I might 
> need to pay for a service since I am having trouble locating some records.  
> Any and all suggestions would be appreciated for what the favorites might 
> be for Portugal and the Azores!
>  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Lourenco and Luisa - parents of Maria Florinda Help

[JR]

June 24- 1789, Lourenco Joze de Souza filho de Matheus de Souza Lopes and 
Maria Francisca do Rozario, bap- NS da Estrella, Ribeira Grande com Luiza 
Francisca filha de Pedro Furtado de Medeyros, ja defunto and Roza Ferreira 
bap. Achadinha.
certified, No 26- 1853.

JR

On Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 1:13:28 PM UTC-4, R Downey wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-C-1701-1796_item1/P184.html
>
> Here is the Marriage of her parents (Maria Florinda).  I just don't trust 
> myself, but what I think it says.
>
> Date of marriage: June 4th 1789?  
>
> Groom Lourenco Jose de Sousa 
>
> Son of 
> Mathius de Sousa Lopes and Maria Francisca Rosaria?
>
> Baptized Estrella Ribeira Grande
>
> Bride Luisa Francisca
>
> Daughter of 
> Pedro Francisco de Medeiros and Maria? Ferreira (with a y)
>
> Also can someone help with the margin notes as prior explained they too 
> have significance and all I can make out is the year July 26 1853? I think 
> it is possible passing of Lourenco?
> Thanks to all!  Rene
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunes marriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira

[JR]

After seeing your comments, Doreen, I revisited and agree, the name is 
Fructuozo. Just goes to show, I shouldn't be so hasty.

JR

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 8:58:20 AM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> I have Frutuoso Pires, son of Asencao Rodrigues Vieira and Catarina Dias 
> of the church Santa Barbara in Nove Ribeiras,
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Doreen Caetano
>
>  
>
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> Windows 10
>
>  
>
> *From: *Bill Seidler 
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 5, 2019 4:09 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunes 
> marriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira
>
>  
>
> Any suggestions on the groom's name on this marriage.  The Terceira 
> Marriage index says Francisco Pereira, but I have my doubts.  
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673_item1/P56.html
>  (bottom 
> left)
>
>  
>
> What I do see is that on 2 Feb 1643 ??? ???, son of Capt. ??? Rodrigues 
> Vieira and Catarina Dias, residents of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras 
> marrying Margarida Nunes, daughter of Andre Afonso and his wife Isabel 
> Lucas.  
>
>  
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>  
>
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need groom's name on Margarida Nunes marriage 1643, Vila Nova, Terceira

[JR]

I would say that is Francisco Piz (Pires) filho de Encensso (Asenco) Roiz 
Vra. Check page 56 and you will see Joao Pereira filho de Mel Piz Pereira 
to compare. It is clear that Piz and Pr.a Pereira are different.

JR

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 7:09:20 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on the groom's name on this marriage.  The Terceira 
> Marriage index says Francisco Pereira, but I have my doubts.  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673_item1/P56.html
>  (bottom 
> left)
>
> What I do see is that on 2 Feb 1643 ??? ???, son of Capt. ??? Rodrigues 
> Vieira and Catarina Dias, residents of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras 
> marrying Margarida Nunes, daughter of Andre Afonso and his wife Isabel 
> Lucas.  
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeirinha, Terceira 1682 obit of Francisco Vaz Parreira

[JR]

Yes we are lucky. I discovered the same kind of records in early Nordeste. 
It appears in the early days, more affluent people bought plots and were 
buried in the church. As time went by their descendants couldn't afford 
their own plots so families asked that they be buried in the plots of their 
ancestors. Eventually everyone was buried in the public cemetery.

JR

On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 1:26:38 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1660-1687/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1660-1687_item1/P14.html
>  (center 
> right)
>
> I just want to confirm what I think this says.  Francisco Vaz Parreira 
> died on 24 Nov 1682 and was buried in the grave of his grandmother Beatriz 
> Gaspar.  If so, this is the first time I've discovered a grandparent this 
> way.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Úrsula Leite - Nordeste

[JR]

 "Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis 
sentos e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro furtado Leite beneficiado Em esta 
Matriz de Sao Jorge a huma menina a que foi posto nome urcela f.a. de Joam 
Leite e de Izabel Figueira foram padrinhos *francisco de Albernas da Costa 
e sua molher Maria de Torres Quintanilha*..."

On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 9:11:21 PM UTC-4, George Sousa wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone for your help. Based on you corrections here is what I 
> think it says...
>
> "Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis 
> sentos e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro furtado Leite beneficiado Em esta 
> Matriz de Sao Jorge a sua menina a que foi posto nome urcela f.a. de Joam 
> Leite e de Izabel Figueira foram padrinhos francisco de ? da Costa e sua 
> molher Maria de torres..."
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 8:52 PM Bill Seidler  > wrote:
>
>> I believe Cheri has it all correct.  Pedro Furtado Leite is the priest.  
>> It says his is beneficiado? em esta (same as nesta?) Matriz.  I believe a 
>> beneficiado is a position in the clergy.  On the top left record on this 
>> image it has the same format except the clergy member is Cura Manuel Lopes 
>> da Costa.  I'm not sure of the three letters after baptizou.  My guess is o 
>> P.e for o Padre.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 4:47:37 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes on the date. I don't know who is Pedro Furtado Leite. The priest? 
>>> Yes on the parents. I think the godfather is Francisco Alvernaz da Costa. 
>>> You got the godmother right. Let's see what others have to say.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:26 PM George Sousa  wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I could use some help trying to figure out what is going on with this 
 baptismal record 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1675-1706/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1675-1706_item1/P51.html
  
 (fourth entry on the right).

 Here is what I have so far...
 "Urcela (Úrsula)

 Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis 
 sentos e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro? furtado Leite Con?ficiado Em 
 esta 
 Matrix de Sao Jorge a sua ? a que foi ? ? ? Joam Leite e de Izabel 
 Figueira 
 foram padrinhos francisco de ? da Costa e sua molher Maria de torres ?..."

 I believe this is the baptismal record of Úrsula Leite (my wife's 7x 
 great grandmother). Úrsula married Amaro Pimentel (or Amaro da Costa) on 
 November 20th 1715 in Nordeste. In the marriage record Úrsula's parents 
 are 
 listed as Joao Leite and Isabel Figueira.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can someone help me with this marriage

[JR]

How do you know the name is Jose Soares do Rego? The marriage only gives 
the  name Jose Soares.

JR

On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-4, R Downey wrote:
>
> Thank you!  I will try to find!  That really helps because I thought I 
> just couldn't see the names.
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 1:43 PM Bill Seidler  > wrote:
>
>> Not without his seeing his first marriage or his baptism.  Usually it is 
>> only a first marriage that says: son of (FATHERS NAME) and (MOTHERS NAME).  
>> Second and subsequent usually only say viuvo (widower) of (NAME OF PREVIOUS 
>> SPOUSE)
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 9:35:04 PM UTC-7, R Downey wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Bill.
>>>
>>> I really appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Can you tell who his parents? are.  Yes I forgot to mention the first 
>>> wife.  I had her listed also.  
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is the link to the record (left side) 
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1771-1801/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1771-1801_item1/P197.html
>>>>
>>>> Her parents are José Soares, já defunto (deceased) and his wife 
>>>> Francisca Rosa.
>>>>
>>>> He is the widower of Mariana Laurencia? who is buried in the parish of 
>>>> Santo Reis do Magos dos Fenais de Vera Cruz (Fenais da Ajuda).  You will 
>>>> have to find his first marriage to get his parents' names.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Seidler
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 8:46:33 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to attach the URL so we can view the record.
>>>>>
>>>>> A marriage record only lists the bride and groom and their parents. It 
>>>>> won't list any siblings.
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:43 PM R Downey  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have struggled to figure this marriage certificate out for my g 
>>>>>> grand parents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I believe I can make out is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lourenco Medeiros and Francisca Jacintha Rosa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May 16th 1801
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Place:  Conceicao Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Her parents:  Jose Soares do Rego and Francisca Rosa - I think
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His I cannot figure out at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is also Maria Clara?  Sister? (but I cannot remember if that 
>>>>>> name was listed elsewhere or on here, but I have that also handwritten?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Any information you can help me with would be greatly appreciated.  
>>>>>> I have struggled to read this for months and I think this 1 record ties 
>>>>>> me 
>>>>>> to several distant cousins I am trying to find the link to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rene
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

[JR]

O Velho, is definitely, the elder. However, Velho is a very old legitimate 
surname. So I would agree, if the name is prefaced by a comma, it means the 
elder. If there is no comma, it is a surname. Velho as a surname predates 
the written church records. The name appears to have fallen out of favour 
and is hardly used any more, at least based on what I see in the later 
1800-1899 records. Though I could be wrong. Frei Goncalo Velho Cabral was 
the discoverer of the Azores and the first Capitao Donatario of Sao Miguel 
and Santa Maria. He was the son of Fernao Velho, who was Knight of 
Santiago. Ilha de St Maria has many Velho names. This all from the the 
first edition of Rodrigo Rodrigues.

JR 

On Sunday, August 25, 2019 at 12:17:32 AM UTC-4, Lizmig wrote:
>
> I have that also in several of mine. Sometimes even O Velho
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 24, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Ângela Loura  > wrote:
>
> It depends on the case. Sometimes it was only used to mention the elder 
> person with X name, and sometimes it became a last name just like some 
> nicknames do.
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  > escreveu no dia sábado, 24/08/2019 à(s) 23:53:
>
>> Good afternoon everyone; I have a question regarding the word/name: 
>> Velho.  When you see it after someone’s name without a comma, is it a part 
>> of the name or just it mean, “the elder” or something like that.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks for your responses,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1644 Marriage, Estrella, Ribeira Grande, SaoMiguel

[JR]

Generally, you should look in Fenais da Ajuda or Ribeira Grande for 
anything pre-1700 for Porto Formoso. Occasionally, you will see connections 
to Vila Franca and Povoacao or Faial da Terra.

JR

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
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> Thanks to all.  Where might I find records for Porto Formoso residents 
> prior to 1695?
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 7:39:23 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>>  
>>
>> The surname may include Surdo, not necessarily that he was surdo.  The 
>> Mother is Isabel Nunes Nordelo.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I checked Tavares Silva tree and he has this couple, he included Surdo as 
>> part of the surname.  Have a look.
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://gw.geneanet.org/tavaressilva?iz=8=nordelo=0=francisco+lopes
>>
>>  
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> *From: *JR
>> *Sent: *August 19, 2019 9:16 AM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1644 Marriage, Estrella, Ribeira 
>> Grande, SaoMiguel
>>
>>  
>>
>> Surdo e mudo means deaf and mute, so perhaps he was deaf. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:28:21 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.  In this case scribble-scrabble = Surdo, which is also a name I 
>> don't recall seeing before.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I appreciate the help!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 9:25:33 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I think it is Nunes. The mark before the N comes from the above P in 
>> Lopes. And Manoel Dias Surdo.
>>
>>  
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:16:41 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Cheri...I see what you mean about the line above.  Could it be 
>> Nunes?
>>
>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 8:53:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> HI Bill,
>>
>>  
>>
>> The groom's mom.the middle name isn't Simoes. That's the "p" from the 
>> line above dangling down. I wonder if it's supposed to be Morais, but it's 
>> spelled Mores?
>>
>> Bride's dad...I don't know. Manuel Dias Scribble-scrabble.
>>
>>  
>>
>> You have the rest right.  Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:59 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>
>> Marriage of Francisco Lopes Nordello and Maria Alvares, top left at 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P120.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Looking for confirmation or correction.  What I have is:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Matriz da Estrella, 11 Jun 1644
>>
>> Groom: Francisco Lopes Nordello, son of Francisco Daniel? and his wife 
>> Isabel Simoes Nordella, moradores do Porto Formoso? NS da Graça
>>
>> Bride: Maria Alvares, daughter of Manuel Dias  and his wife Maria 
>> Alvares, moradores of this parish
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1568 Marriage Estrela, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel; bride from Ponte de Lima, Portugal

[JR]

I think you are at the end of the line, Bill. Church records more or less 
started at this time, so finding earlier records is unlikely. The record 
does state "termo" de Ponte de Lima, not Carmo. This simply means it is 
within the limits of Ponte de Lima jurisdiction. Like Lomba de Maia is in 
the termo of Maia. In fact, Ribeira Grande has some of the earliest and 
best records I have seen anywhere. It doesn't get any better. Also, this is 
about the time when people started to use two or more names, so that makes 
it difficult to trace people with common names. If you connect to nobles 
and wealthy people, it may be possible to get back further. Most of that 
research is already done by professional genealogists and historians in 
various publications. And these are likely in Rodrigo Rodrigues works, as 
he traced many of the founding settlers back to the founding of the first 
settlements. Maybe Margaret can add something.

JR

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 2:49:34 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
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> CORRECTED VERSION (It does not say Santa Marinha DO CARMO)
>
> This is kind of milestone record for me.  It is the oldest marriage record 
> for my direct ancestors I have seen so far.  It is also the first record 
> I've seen showing a direct ancestor coming from mainland Portugal.
>
> Does anyone know where I can find "freguesia de Santa Marinha do termo de 
> Ponte de Lima"  Tombo does not list a Santa Marinha within Ponte de Lima 
> (district of Viana do Castelo).
>
> Lee Estep: If you are still on the list, this is my grandmother's direct 
> line so it is for your cousin also.  Are you still working on that?
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582_item1/P41.html
>  
> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fculturacores.azores.gov.pt%2Fbiblioteca_digital%2FSMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582%2FSMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582_item1%2FP41.html=D=1=AFQjCNFnm7WUDICNqNcRKeyTsffcAwvrTQ>
>  (4th 
> on right)
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>>
>> Congrats, Bill!  At the very beginning of settlement of the Azores they 
>> were there.   
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>
>>> This is kind of milestone record for me.  It is the oldest marriage 
>>> record for my direct ancestors I have seen so far.  It is also the first 
>>> record I've seen showing a direct ancestor coming from mainland Portugal.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can find "freguesia de Santa Marinha do Carmo 
>>> do termo de Ponte de Lima"  Tombo does not list a Santa Marinha within 
>>> Ponte de Lima (district of Viana do Castelo).
>>>
>>> Lee Estep: If you are still on the list, this is my grandmother's direct 
>>> line so it is for your cousin also.  Are you still working on that?
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582_item1/P41.html
>>>  (4th 
>>> on right)
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1644 Marriage, Estrella, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel

[JR]

Surdo e mudo means deaf and mute, so perhaps he was deaf. 

JR

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:28:21 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> Thanks.  In this case scribble-scrabble = Surdo, which is also a name I 
> don't recall seeing before.
>
> I appreciate the help!
>
> Bill
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 9:25:33 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I think it is Nunes. The mark before the N comes from the above P in 
>> Lopes. And Manoel Dias Surdo.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:16:41 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cheri...I see what you mean about the line above.  Could it be 
>>> Nunes?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 8:53:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HI Bill,
>>>>
>>>> The groom's mom.the middle name isn't Simoes. That's the "p" from 
>>>> the line above dangling down. I wonder if it's supposed to be Morais, but 
>>>> it's spelled Mores?
>>>> Bride's dad...I don't know. Manuel Dias Scribble-scrabble.
>>>>
>>>> You have the rest right.  Cheri
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:59 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Marriage of Francisco Lopes Nordello and Maria Alvares, top left at 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P120.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for confirmation or correction.  What I have is:
>>>>>
>>>>> Matriz da Estrella, 11 Jun 1644
>>>>> Groom: Francisco Lopes Nordello, son of Francisco Daniel? and his wife 
>>>>> Isabel Simoes Nordella, moradores do Porto Formoso? NS da Graça
>>>>> Bride: Maria Alvares, daughter of Manuel Dias  and his wife Maria 
>>>>> Alvares, moradores of this parish
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1644 Marriage, Estrella, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel

[JR]

Yes, I think it is Nunes. The mark before the N comes from the above P in 
Lopes. And Manoel Dias Surdo.

JR

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:16:41 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> Thanks Cheri...I see what you mean about the line above.  Could it be 
> Nunes?
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 8:53:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> HI Bill,
>>
>> The groom's mom.the middle name isn't Simoes. That's the "p" from the 
>> line above dangling down. I wonder if it's supposed to be Morais, but it's 
>> spelled Mores?
>> Bride's dad...I don't know. Manuel Dias Scribble-scrabble.
>>
>> You have the rest right.  Cheri
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:59 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>
>>> Marriage of Francisco Lopes Nordello and Maria Alvares, top left at 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P120.html
>>>
>>> Looking for confirmation or correction.  What I have is:
>>>
>>> Matriz da Estrella, 11 Jun 1644
>>> Groom: Francisco Lopes Nordello, son of Francisco Daniel? and his wife 
>>> Isabel Simoes Nordella, moradores do Porto Formoso? NS da Graça
>>> Bride: Maria Alvares, daughter of Manuel Dias  and his wife Maria 
>>> Alvares, moradores of this parish
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to Find information on Simbron (Cimbron) in the Azores

[JR]

The baptisms are indexed for a certain period. I simply looked in the year 
previous to the first baptism and that's where the marriage was located. 
Cymbron is from a family of nobles going way back. But you have to trace it 
back.

When you on CCA, look for Rosario indexes and click it. Look for baptisms.

Domestica or domestico means her occupation. 

JR

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-4, Tom Simbron wrote:
>
> JR,
>
> How did you find this information so easily? Are the names indexed 
> somewhere? I would like to start tracing more if possible.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:26 PM JR > wrote:
>
>> *Ancestors of Jose Pereira Cymbron*
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Generation No. 1*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *1.*  *Jose Pereira Cymbron,* born 24 Feb 1898 in NS do Rosario 
>> da Lagoa.  He was the son of *2. Joao Pereira Cymbron* and *3. Maria da 
>> Gloria*.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Generation No. 2*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *2.*  *Joao Pereira Cymbron,* born 28 Jul 1868 in NS do Rosario 
>> da Lagoa.  He was the son of *4. Manuel de Medeiros Pereira* and *5. *
>> *Vitoria** Emilia*.  He married *3. Maria da Gloria* 24 Nov 1890 in NS 
>> do Rosario da Lagoa.
>>
>> *3.*  *Maria da Gloria,* born 21 Apr 1872 in NS do Rosario da 
>> Lagoa.  She was the daughter of *6. Jose da Costa Rego or Teves* and *7. 
>> Augusta Emilia de Jesus*.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Notes: No-27
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899_item1/P41.html
>>
>>
>> Children of Joao Cymbron and Maria are:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 1   i.Jose Pereira Cymbron, born 24 Feb 1898 in 
>> NS do Rosario da Lagoa.
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:06:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Simbron wrote:
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I did somehow miss it. Thank you so much!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:43 PM Joe Matias  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tom,I sent your Jose's birth record here and I am not sure if you 
>>>> missed it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=oa-4885-a>
>>>>  Virus-free. 
>>>> www.avg.com 
>>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=oa-4885-a>
>>>>  
>>>> <#CAJYZ_ZBDRHGTNz0_AYYsdi0dsO-sBfAoXwA1fZP1emXM+ZMWCQ@mail.gmail.com_m_7070632608803453226_CAJYZ_ZDMEJJ+KWapzAb5wApijBnaSj7fgraGviwiUV7PFaiftA@mail.gmail.com_m_8289293132455074145_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:22 PM Tom Simbron  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your help. I couldn't find anything useful. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:53:13 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom S,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you have a name, date, and place, you can utilize the Azorean 
>>>>>> Government website (CCA = Centro de Conhecimento dos Azores) to look up 
>>>>>> your ancestor. Go through Tombo.pt to navigate. It's easier and it will 
>>>>>> link you to the CCA: https://tombo.pt/m/lag  If you need English, 
>>>>>> click the British flag towards the upper right corner. Pick the church 
>>>>>> in 
>>>>>> the left column. Then go to the baptism section and click on the record 
>>>>>> set 
>>>>>> that covers 1898.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need help "reading" Portuguese, the format that the records 
>>>>>> follow can be found on the Azores GenWeb here (you are in the 3rd time 
>>>>>> period): 
>>>>>> www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/  You want the first half of the alphabet 
>>>>>> in the Research aids, then the Fs for Finding your Roots. NOTE: The 
>>>>>> WorldGenWeb is down at the moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:14 PM Tom Simbron  
>>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to Find information on Simbron (Cimbron) in the Azores

[JR]

*Ancestors of Jose Pereira Cymbron*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  *Jose Pereira Cymbron,* born 24 Feb 1898 in NS do Rosario da 
Lagoa.  He was the son of *2. Joao Pereira Cymbron* and *3. Maria da Gloria*
.

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

*2.*  *Joao Pereira Cymbron,* born 28 Jul 1868 in NS do Rosario da 
Lagoa.  He was the son of *4. Manuel de Medeiros Pereira* and *5. **Vitoria** 
Emilia*.  He married *3. Maria da Gloria* 24 Nov 1890 in NS do Rosario da 
Lagoa.

*3.*  *Maria da Gloria,* born 21 Apr 1872 in NS do Rosario da 
Lagoa.  She was the daughter of *6. Jose da Costa Rego or Teves* and *7. 
Augusta Emilia de Jesus*.



Notes: No-27

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899_item1/P41.html


Children of Joao Cymbron and Maria are:



1   i.Jose Pereira Cymbron, born 24 Feb 1898 in NS 
do Rosario da Lagoa.


JR

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:06:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Simbron wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> I did somehow miss it. Thank you so much!
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:43 PM Joe Matias  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,I sent your Jose's birth record here and I am not sure if you 
>> missed it.
>>
>>
>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=oa-4885-a>
>>  Virus-free. 
>> www.avg.com 
>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=oa-4885-a>
>>  
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>>
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:22 PM Tom Simbron > > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your help. I couldn't find anything useful. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:53:13 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tom S,
>>>>
>>>> Since you have a name, date, and place, you can utilize the Azorean 
>>>> Government website (CCA = Centro de Conhecimento dos Azores) to look up 
>>>> your ancestor. Go through Tombo.pt to navigate. It's easier and it will 
>>>> link you to the CCA: https://tombo.pt/m/lag  If you need English, 
>>>> click the British flag towards the upper right corner. Pick the church in 
>>>> the left column. Then go to the baptism section and click on the record 
>>>> set 
>>>> that covers 1898.
>>>>
>>>> If you need help "reading" Portuguese, the format that the records 
>>>> follow can be found on the Azores GenWeb here (you are in the 3rd time 
>>>> period): 
>>>> www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/  You want the first half of the alphabet 
>>>> in the Research aids, then the Fs for Finding your Roots. NOTE: The 
>>>> WorldGenWeb is down at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:14 PM Tom Simbron  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello, I traces my Lineage back to Lagoa and I am trying to find more 
>>>>> info on an ancestor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jose Pereira Simbron (Cimbron)
>>>>> Born: 15 February 1898
>>>>> Lagoa, Azores
>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to Find information on Simbron (Cimbron) in the Azores

[JR]

Yes he is there: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P209.html

Jose, bap- March 13- 1898, born- Feb 24, 1898, son of Joao Pereira Cymbron, 
campaneo and Maria da Gloria, domestic, natives of this freguesia of NS do 
Rosario, Lagoa, where they were received and are parishioners, residing on 
Marina Street; paternal grandson of Manoel Pereira and Victoria Emilia, 
maternal grandson of Jose da Costa Teves and Augusta de Jesus; padrinhos 
(godparents) are: Manoel de Oliveira Aserido? and, married, and Maria da 
Conceicao, married.

JR

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 4:24:51 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Tom S,
>
> You go to Lagoa, you go to the books containing 1898, and you find your 
> Jose in that set of records. It's there, unless you have incorrect 
> information (wrong date or wrong location).
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:22 PM Tom Simbron  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your help. I couldn't find anything useful. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:53:13 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tom S,
>>>
>>> Since you have a name, date, and place, you can utilize the Azorean 
>>> Government website (CCA = Centro de Conhecimento dos Azores) to look up 
>>> your ancestor. Go through Tombo.pt to navigate. It's easier and it will 
>>> link you to the CCA: https://tombo.pt/m/lag  If you need English, click 
>>> the British flag towards the upper right corner. Pick the church in the 
>>> left column. Then go to the baptism section and click on the record set 
>>> that covers 1898.
>>>
>>> If you need help "reading" Portuguese, the format that the records 
>>> follow can be found on the Azores GenWeb here (you are in the 3rd time 
>>> period): 
>>> www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/  You want the first half of the alphabet in 
>>> the Research aids, then the Fs for Finding your Roots. NOTE: The 
>>> WorldGenWeb is down at the moment.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:14 PM Tom Simbron  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, I traces my Lineage back to Lagoa and I am trying to find more 
>>>> info on an ancestor.
>>>>
>>>> Jose Pereira Simbron (Cimbron)
>>>> Born: 15 February 1898
>>>> Lagoa, Azores
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with names on 1686 Rabo de Peixe marriage

[JR]

You will see it more often in the pre- 1750 records. Thanks to Manoel Cesar 
Furtado who taught it to me!

JR

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 12:06:46 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>
> I don't think I've ever seen that term either! Well, we live and learn 
> everyday on this list! 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:32 AM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Interesting. I've never seen "whom God has taken/que Deus tem." You learn 
>> something new every day!
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:20 AM JR > wrote:
>>
>>> Manoel de Souza, que Deus tem= whom God has taken, also deceased. You 
>>> are doing very well indeed.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:55:07 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I see Manuel Barbaosa filho de Pedro Barbosa e de Maria Fernandes com 
>>>> Barbara da Sousa, filha de Manuel da Sousa  e de Maria da Silva.  It's 
>>>> good writing but I can't make out that one name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700_item1/P33.html
>>>>  (second 
>>>> on left)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill Seidler
>>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Groom's mother Rabo de Peixe 1713 marriage

[JR]

Yes, that's right, Barradas. This name originates in Ribeira Grande.

JR

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:34:03 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> The writing seems clear but I've never seen this name before so I was 
> hoping someone could confirm or correct.
>
> Marriage of Manuel Machado de Medeiros and Barbara de Sousa on left side.  
> I see the mother of the groom on line 10 as Anna BARRADAS Tavares.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P59.html
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with names on 1686 Rabo de Peixe marriage

[JR]

Manoel de Souza, que Deus tem= whom God has taken, also deceased. You are 
doing very well indeed.

JR

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:55:07 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> I see Manuel Barbaosa filho de Pedro Barbosa e de Maria Fernandes com 
> Barbara da Sousa, filha de Manuel da Sousa  e de Maria da Silva.  It's 
> good writing but I can't make out that one name.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700_item1/P33.html
>  (second 
> on left)
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obit of Isabel de Pimentel Nordestinho early 1700s

[JR]

This Isabel Pimentel is wife of Francisco Furtado. And there is marriage in 
Nordestinho of their son Manuel Furtado cc Teresa Soares, Nordestinho, 
March 19- 1707. So I would say they are different persons. The date looks 
good to me. Sometimes with luck you may find a clue the links these 
Nordestinho ancestors back to Nordeste, where they all originate. So keep 
looking.

JR

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 2:56:56 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> I am having a lot of trouble reading the writing on this group of records 
> but I think the 2nd on the right might be of interest to me.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-NORDESTINHO-O-1683-1738/SMG-ND-NORDESTINHO-O-1683-1738_item1/P76.html
>
> I think it is 6 May 1718? and the name is Isabel de Pimentel.  The one I 
> am looking for would be the wife or widow of Francisco de Paiva.  Can 
> anyone help clarify this record?
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Manuel de Medeiros andAnaPimentel, Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, 1743

[JR]

Do you guys mean the alias is meant for the mother Antonia de Pimentel who 
was married to Manuel da Silva? That is what I have. At one point they also 
used Maria de Pimentel for Antonia as well. And Antonia is actually native 
of Santo Antonio, the small location recognized as part of Nordestinho 
freguesia. I have found many records from Nordestinho and Santo Antonio are 
lost.

JR

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 11:15:58 PM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> Thank you Margaret.  We discovered Ana Pimentel as a common ancestor back 
> in 2016.  She is a 6th great grandmother on direct maternal lines for me 
> and my wife, Eduarda.  You show as a distant match for Eduarda, but not for 
> me. Perhaps you and Eduarda have other common ancestors.  She has ancestry 
> from São Jorge, Graciosa, and Santa Maria as well.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 7:37:05 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> You’re welcome Bill.  These are my ancestors, had her as Antonia as per 
>> the marriage record.  The children’s birth records also state Antonia.  
>> Here’s Ana Pimentel.  Bottom left
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1700-1725/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1700-1725_item1/P142.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Bill Seidler
>> *Sent: *July 25, 2019 10:28 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Manuel de Medeiros 
>> andAnaPimentel, Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, 1743
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thank you Margaret.  I thought George Pacheco would have it right.  I 
>> confirmed that it was him that posted the tree in March 2015 and I have now 
>> found records to substantiate about everything he provided. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you are still out there George, thank you again!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 5:55:07 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes, that’s right, it says:  “alias Antonia de Pimentel” the word alias 
>> means the same as “digo” which means “it is instead” / differently / 
>> correction 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Margare
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Bill Seidler
>> *Sent: *July 25, 2019 8:41 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Manuel de Medeiros and 
>> AnaPimentel, Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel, 1743
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is my original post but this time with a link:
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1742-1756_item1/P17.html
>>  (left 
>> side)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hoping for some clarification on this marriage. I see it as follows:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Date 30 Dec 1743
>>
>> Groom: Manuel de Medeiros, son of Manuel Barbosa and Maria de Medeiros, 
>> both deceased.
>>
>> Bride: Ana de Pimental, daughter of Manuel Silva and Maria de Pimentel
>>
>> All are from this same parish.
>>
>>  
>>
>> My question is about a note in the lower right margin that seems to refer 
>> to the name Antonia.  A few years ago,some one from this group (George 
>> Pacheco I think) posted a part of this family tree that lists Ana's mother 
>> as Antonia Pimentel instead of Maria.  Is that margin note some kind of 
>> correction or clarification that the bride's mother's name should be 
>> Antonia?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Borges and Candida of Faja de Baixo, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel

[JR]

I have faint memory of this name coming up before. Can't recall who it was. 
I believe I gave some info to that person.

JR
-

 

*Ancestors of Maria Jose Ermelinda*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  *Maria Jose Ermelinda,* born 15 May 1856 in NS de Oliveira, 
Faja de Cima.  She was the daughter of *2. Manuel Borges* and *3. Francisca 
Candida*.  She married *(1) Francisco Rodrigues Casquilho* 07 Aug 1884 in 
NS de Oliveira, Faja de Cima.  He was born 02 Jul 1854 in NS de Oliveira, 
Faja de Cima.  He was the son of Jacinto Rodrigues Casquilho and Ana de 
Jesus.

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

*2.*  *Manuel Borges,* born Abt. 1801 in Sao Roque, Rosto de Cao.  
He was the son of *4. Jose Francisco Borges* and *5. Ana Maria de Vales*.  
He married *3. Francisca Candida* 09 Nov 1836 in NS dos Anjos, Faja de 
Baixo.

*3.*  *Francisca Candida,* born Abt. 1812 in NS dos Anjos, Faja de 
Baixo.  She was the daughter of *6. Antonio de Medeiros* and *7. Dionisia 
Teresa*.



Child of Manuel Borges and Francisca is:

1 i.Maria Jose Ermelinda, born 15 May 1856 in 
NS de Oliveira, Faja de Cima; married Francisco Rodrigues Casquilho 07 Aug 
1884 in NS de Oliveira, Faja de Cima.

 

 

*Generation No. 3*

 

*4.*  *Jose Francisco Borges,* born Abt. 1770 in Sao Roque, Rosto 
de Cao.  He was the son of *8. Francisco Borges Perdigao* and *9. Barbara 
da Conceicao*.  He married *5. Ana Maria de Vales* 10 Dec 1794 in Sao 
Roque, Rosto de Cao.

*5.*  *Ana Maria de Vales,* born Abt. 1771 in Sao Roque, Rosto de 
Cao.  She was the daughter of *10. Joao da Silva* and *11. Barbara da 
Conceicao*.



Child of Jose Borges and Ana Vales is:

2 i.Manuel Borges, born Abt. 1801 in Sao Roque, 
Rosto de Cao; married Francisca Candida 09 Nov 1836 in NS dos Anjos, Faja 
de Baixo.

 

 

*6.*  *Antonio de Medeiros,* born Abt. 1772 in NS dos Anjos, Faja 
de Baixo.  He was the son of *12. Miguel de Medeiros* and *13. Josefa de 
Jesus*.  He married *7. Dionisia Teresa* 06 Jan 1805 in NS dos Anjos, Faja 
de Baixo.

*7.*  *Dionisia Teresa,* born 19 Sep 1781 in NS dos Anjos, Faja de 
Baixo.  She was the daughter of *14. Manuel de Sousa* and *15. Anastacia do 
Nascimento*.



Child of Antonio Medeiros and Dionisia is:

3 i.Francisca Candida, born Abt. 1812 in NS dos 
Anjos, Faja de Baixo; married Manuel Borges 09 Nov 1836 in NS dos Anjos, 
Faja de Baixo.

 

 





On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 7:32:31 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> Hi Scott,
>
> You should find your Maria Jose Borges b. 15 May 1856 in Faja de Cima in 
> this record set. It will tell you were her parents are from. You will be 
> able to trace the line from there: https://tombo.pt/f/pdl06
> Happy Hunting,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:13 PM Scott Edward Anderson  > wrote:
>
>> I am returning to Sao Miguel this month and am seeking information about 
>> my ancestors from there, including Maria de Jose Borges (born 15 May 1856 
>> on Sao Miguel and baptized in Faja de Cima; died 1937, Providence, RI), her 
>> parents Manuel Borges (born abt. 1814; died 1863, Sao Miguel) and Francisca 
>> Candida (b. abt 1812; died 1882, Sao Miguel). Manuel's parents were Jose 
>> Francisco Borges and Anna Maria de Valles; Francisca's parents were Antonio 
>> de Medeiros and Dionisa Teresa (possibly Candida). Any ideas or leads would 
>> be most welcome.
>>
>> Obrigado,
>>
>> Scott
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[JR]

I will PM you.

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 11:33:59 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>
>
> Thanks again JR
> This is very nice :)
>
> Do I read correctly that Estevão's father is João Alvares? And what is his 
> mother's first name?
> I'm following the paternal line António Cabral -> Estevão Alvares -> João 
> Alvares -> ...
> You wouldn't happen to have any more information on that line?
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM JR > wrote:
>
>> These are the parents:
>>
>> Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html
>>
>> Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>
>>> Obrigado JR
>>> Gonçalo
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo 
>>>> com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara 
>>>> de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>>>>
>>>> JR
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[JR]

These are the parents:

Estevao de Sousa (or Alvares) cc Maria de Revoredo
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P93.html

Manuel de Paiva cc Barbara de Sousa
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P91.html

JR

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 8:12:07 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>
> Obrigado JR
> Gonçalo
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:35 AM JR > 
> wrote:
>
>> Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo 
>> com Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara 
>> de Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:49:01 AM UTC-4, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
>>>
>>> Cheers
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading

[JR]

Antonio Cabral filho de Estevao Alvares e sua mulher Maria de Revoredo com 
Maria de Sousa filha de Manoel de Paiva mariante e sua mulher Barbara de 
Souza fregueses todos desta igreja.

JR

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>
> Hello
>
> I need help in reading the names of the parents of António Cabral 
> [image: image.png]
> They are ??? Alvares and Maria de ???
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P116.html
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> Cheers
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Death record

[JR]

Beatriz Gonsalves died March 25- 1707, more or less fifty years old, filha 
de Domingos Manoel and Maria Gaspar; left will, buried in Capello, church 
of Santissima Trindade.

So it is possible she or her children are located in Capello. Not sure 
records go back that far.

JR

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote:
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> Once again I find myself needing help. This time a death record. I just do 
> not have the language skills to read this. I working with someone on their 
> tree and it seems to be a mixture of several other trees with just dates. 
> So when I look to fin the record that goes with that date I think I’m 
> finding a LOT of misread records. BUT since my skills are so elementary I 
> do not want to disregard someone else’s work. Top of the page. It is 
> suppose to be a death record for a Beatriz Cota, married to Domingos Nunes 
> Coelho. Thanks
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747_item1/P4.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help Costa Pimental families

[JR]

Page 31, Jeronymo, filho de Manoel Sebastiao Pimentel e sua mulher Maria do 
Rozario moradores na Fajazinha, neto paterno de Sebastiao Antonio Pimentel 
e sua mulher Anna da Trinadade (confirmed by marriage record), neto materna 
de Manoel de Freitas e Maio e sua mulher Maria do Rozario todos nats? desta 
fregueszia de NS do Remedios freguezia das Fajas, Ilha das Flores; born Nov 
1- 1852, bap- Nov 2- 1852; Padrinho, Jeronymo das Freitas (no godmother).

 

Below is the marriage, page 35 verso:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1837-1845/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1837-1845_item1/P37.html

 

Jan 9- 1845, Fajazinha, NS dos Remedios, Manoel Sebastiao Pimentel, filho 
de Sebastiao de Pimentel and Anna da Trindade com Maria do Rozario, filha 
de Manoel de Freitas e Maio and Maria do Rozario naturaes desta parochial 
onde contrahentes forao baptizados (they were baptised in same parish)

 

JR

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 11:58:57 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Janet C,
>
> Many older spellings have the "y" instead of the "i." So he was recorded 
> as Jeronymo, which in modern Portuguese would be Jeronimo. Record Jeronimo 
> in your genealogy program and make a note that he is recorded with the 
> older spelling of Jeronymo.
>
> You are lucky. Grandparents aren't recorded in this time period, but this 
> priest chose to do so. Paternal grandparents: Sebastiao Antonio Pimentel 
> and Anna de Santa Josepha (not sure about that Santa Josepha). Maternals: 
> Manuel de Something Maia de  and Maria do Rosario. 
>
> Yes, you have the birth date correct. Many of our immigrant ancestors 
> didn't know their actual birth date.
>
> Someone else will be able to get those missing words. Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 9:38 AM Janet Carminati  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Mary and others,
>>
>> I believe the below link is my Jerome although would appreciate help with 
>> the name in the margin as there appears to be a Y within the name.  He was 
>> born Nov (1?) in 1852 which is slightly off from his obit and gravestone.  
>> Son of Manuel Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria de Rosario also in Fajãzinha.  I 
>> traced the family to that village from his nephews entry in the UPEC 
>> records.  He has a younger brother Vincent and older brother Manuel.  I’m 
>> still trying to determine the relation between Sylvester who I believe 
>> might be his uncle - I am having a hard time reading the handwriting of his 
>> records.
>>
>> Sylvester, Jerome, Manuel & Francisco all went to wild horse valley 
>> (Napa/Sonoma border).  Manuel returned to the Azores after he was 
>> naturalized, married and had a son Antonio and then died in the Azores.  
>> Antonio and his mother Maria de Gloria then immigrated to Sonoma the early 
>> 1900s.
>>
>> Jerome (sp?) baptism record:
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860_item1/P32.html
>>
>> Thanks for any help anyone can offer!
>> Janet
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[JR]

Many years ago Doug Holmes commented on this subject. I can't quite recall 
to which islands he  was referring, but he essentially said that one island 
was predominately Coelho, while another was predominantly Raposo. The point 
being that it is possible for certain names to predominate on certain 
islands or at least within certain villages or concelhos. For example 
Medeiros and Furtado is quite widespread and common throughout most of Sao 
Miguel. Yes within certain villages, it hardly appears. Azores is so small 
that it is not surprising certain names are more common or dominant than 
others.

Costa, Pacheco and Rodrigues  are very common but not as easy to associate 
with a single village, because they are so widespread.

JR
On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 6:19:57 PM UTC-4, Ângela Loura wrote:
>
> Sonia, exactly!
>
> *De qualquer modo, e ao contrário de uma crença enraizada, os apelidos 
> baseados em nomes de plantas e de animais não são necessariamente de 
> descendentes dos judeus convertidos à força ao catolicismo, ou seja, 
> cristãos-novos.*
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, *DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS - 
> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família*, 2016, p. 182.
>
> Sonia Pacheco > escreveu no dia quarta, 
> 26/06/2019 à(s) 17:16:
>
>> There is no historical evidence that this is true:  "most animal, etc. 
>> names came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in 
>> truth a Jew" and in fact there is much more evidence that this was not 
>> the case. 
>>
>> I can provide multiple citations disproving this fact if folks are 
>> interested, however, the vast majority are in Portuguese, hence why I 
>> haven't provided them here since I know most people on this list don't read 
>> fluent Portuguese.
>>
>> Sonia 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sónia Pacheco
>>
>> Librarian Archivist, Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese-American Archives
>>
>> Library Liaison, Portuguese, History, Foreign Languages
>>
>> Claire T. Carney Library, UMass Dartmouth
>>
>> Tel. 508-999.8695
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy > >
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:06 AM
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record 
>>  
>> [EXTERNAL SENDER]
>>
>> Marcos;  Thank you so much for this extended reply.  Yes, I did know that 
>> Coelho meant rabbit but; no, I did not known that most animal, etc. names 
>> came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in truth a 
>> Jew.  That is very interesting to me.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Like many of us whose ancestors are from the Azores, I have ancestors who 
>> immigrated to Brazil.  I have had a couple of dna matches from there. 
>> Although, we have not yet been able to pin down the immigrating ancestor.  
>> One line does however; show Menezes in it.  Perhaps, we too are cousins. 
>>   
>>
>>  
>>
>> Again, thank you for this information.
>>
>>  
>>
>> From sunny, hot and humid Mazatlán, Mexico
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Marcos Saturno 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:56 AM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Sam, 
>>
>> I don’t think Coelho is as such a common surname such as Smith or Jones.
>>
>> I can only tell from my own experience, but I grew up in pretty much a 
>> Portuguese ‘colony’ in Rio de Janeiro and never came across many then (most 
>> of my classmates had a Portuguese parent and sometimes both.)
>>
>> Though not every Brazilian is from Portuguese origin, I think my 
>> Brazilian experience could help put things into perspective as most people 
>> in my generation has a Portuguese surname (or family name) and we also use 
>> the ‘2 surname’ Portuguese tradition: mother’s family name followed by the 
>> father’s family name. This way, a person’s heritage is sometimes more 
>> obvious.
>>
>> Saying that, I’m not sure how common it is in the Azores.
>>
>> I only have ever met one Coelho in Brazil (a high school friend) and one 
>> in Portugal (she was from Setúbal) 
>>
>> I’m sure you are aware Coelho means ‘rabbit’ and is one of the many 
>> ‘animal or tree name’ surnames attributed to Jews forced to convert to 
>> Catholicism to avoid expulsion from Portugal like Lobo (wolf), Carneiro 
>> (Lamb), Pinto (chick) or Carvalho (oak), Pereir

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with short form of surnames

[JR]

It's Glz (Gonsalves), though it does look like Gtz. Same with Alz 
(Alvares), sometimes looks like Atz. Or Miz (Martins) sometimes looks like 
Mtz. It may be priest's way of indicating short forms.

JR

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 11:56:37 AM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Thank you everyone! I also found one that has gtz, can someone tell me 
> what that one stands for?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:39:38 UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>> I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful 
>> with these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  
>> (Po) and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot 
>> figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz. 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html
>>
>> TIA
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading part of the Altares Baptismreferencing the godparents

[JR]

He is brick and/or stone worker, stone mason.

JR

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 5:42:01 PM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> What does pedeiro mean? I saw this word after his name in another record.
>
>  
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>  
>
> *From: *JR 
> *Sent: *Friday, June 21, 2019 8:02 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading part of the Altares 
> Baptismreferencing the godparents
>
>  
>
> You got it right. It says ...filhos familias de Antonio Martins, pedreiro, 
> e sua mer. Maria Nunes todos freguezias desta dita parcochial...
>
> On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:38:18 AM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> I have most of the information from Francisca (Ignacia) baptism record. 
> Her parents are Joam Martins Gil and Maria do Espirito Santo. I’m trying to 
> get the information about the godparents. I have Manuel Martins Gil and 
> Theresa de Jesus, children  of Antonio Martins ? and his wife Maria 
> Nunes. The record is on the lower left side of the page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P140.html
>
> Thank you, Doreen Caetano
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading part of the Altares Baptism referencing the godparents

[JR]

You got it right. It says ...filhos familias de Antonio Martins, pedreiro, 
e sua mer. Maria Nunes todos freguezias desta dita parcochial...

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:38:18 AM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> I have most of the information from Francisca (Ignacia) baptism record. 
> Her parents are Joam Martins Gil and Maria do Espirito Santo. I’m trying to 
> get the information about the godparents. I have Manuel Martins Gil and 
> Theresa de Jesus, children  of Antonio Martins ? and his wife Maria 
> Nunes. The record is on the lower left side of the page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P140.html
>
> Thank you, Doreen Caetano
>
>  
>
>  
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

[JR]

Go Home site- http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/> at top blue index, hover 
over Maps, databases, indexes> scroll to Sao Miguel blue bar and hold> wait 
for *Sao Miguel indexes* to appear as pop out, then click> scroll to bottom 
where Sao Pedro, Vila Franca database appears.

JR

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:04:07 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Those are not Canto's indices. Those are indices contributed by 
> genealogists (THANK YOU)! I can click on your link, but I need to know how 
> to NAVIGATE to it. I will ask Kathy in 10 days when I'm in Salt Lake and 
> she can watch me (mis)navigate. Because clicking on the map, scrolling down 
> to Sao Miguel and clicking on the island just isn't bringing it up for me.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:00 AM JR > 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, think I see the confusion. The said index *is not on the Tomba site*, 
>> it is on the on the World Gen site here. Scroll to bottom:
>>
>>
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-miguel/sao-miguel-indexes.html
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 11:53:02 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Terri,
>>>
>>> Hmmm, I followed your instructios and this is at the bottom of the page. 
>>> I don't see any index listed here:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> I tried the refresh in case my pages were cached. That didn't work. I'll 
>>> ask Kathy when I see her in about 10 days.  Thanks, Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 6:27 AM Terri Santos  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its there Cheri. When you go to the GenWeb site... indexes... choose 
>>>> Sao Miguel island...scroll right to the bottom if that page and the Sao 
>>>> Pedro index i worked on is there. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

[JR]

Ok, think I see the confusion. The said index *is not on the Tomba site*, 
it is on the on the World Gen site here. Scroll to bottom:

http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-miguel/sao-miguel-indexes.html

JR

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> Hi Terri,
>
> Hmmm, I followed your instructios and this is at the bottom of the page. I 
> don't see any index listed here:
> [image: image.png]
>
> I tried the refresh in case my pages were cached. That didn't work. I'll 
> ask Kathy when I see her in about 10 days.  Thanks, Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 6:27 AM Terri Santos  > wrote:
>
>> Its there Cheri. When you go to the GenWeb site... indexes... choose Sao 
>> Miguel island...scroll right to the bottom if that page and the Sao Pedro 
>> index i worked on is there. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unpublished baptisms, 1626-1663, of Rosario, Lagoa

[JR]

Maybe you are right. It certainly threw me for a loop. I was hoping there 
were more missing pages!!

JR

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 12:52:16 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The book looks like it was tightly bound. I wonder if it was rebound and 
> the pages are slightly out of order?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:47 AM JR > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/P100.html
>>
>> Take this page above. Top left, you see Anna and Maria. Then look across, 
>> right side and you see partial pages, names Barbara and Maria. One would 
>> assume that Barbara and Maria are part of the next page and should appear 
>> on next page. They don't, they appear three clicks later.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you be more specific? I checked images 4-7 and I can tell they are 
>>> left and right pages by the binding. So it looks OK to me. Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:17 AM JR  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone notice the verso pages (backside of  numbered pages) are missing 
>>>> in book of baptisms covering 1626- 1663, of Rosario da Lagoa. Anyone know 
>>>> if they are located or was error made?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/index.html
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unpublished baptisms, 1626-1663, of Rosario, Lagoa

[JR]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/P100.html

Take this page above. Top left, you see Anna and Maria. Then look across, 
right side and you see partial pages, names Barbara and Maria. One would 
assume that Barbara and Maria are part of the next page and should appear 
on next page. They don't, they appear three clicks later.

JR

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Can you be more specific? I checked images 4-7 and I can tell they are 
> left and right pages by the binding. So it looks OK to me. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:17 AM JR > wrote:
>
>> Anyone notice the verso pages (backside of  numbered pages) are missing 
>> in book of baptisms covering 1626- 1663, of Rosario da Lagoa. Anyone know 
>> if they are located or was error made?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/index.html
>>
>> JR
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unpublished baptisms, 1626-1663, of Rosario, Lagoa

[JR]

Okay, to answer my own question, it appears the pages are there on 
alternate pages and do not follow in succession.

JR

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 12:16:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> Anyone notice the verso pages (backside of  numbered pages) are missing in 
> book of baptisms covering 1626- 1663, of Rosario da Lagoa. Anyone know if 
> they are located or was error made?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/index.html
>
> JR
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Unpublished baptisms, 1626-1663, of Rosario, Lagoa

[JR]

Anyone notice the verso pages (backside of  numbered pages) are missing in 
book of baptisms covering 1626- 1663, of Rosario da Lagoa. Anyone know if 
they are located or was error made?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/index.html

JR

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa 1840 baptism.

[JR]

Yes, I agree, Marianno it is.

JR

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 12:10:56 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Marianno?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:45 PM William Seidler  > wrote:
>
>> I am hoping someone can make out the child''s name.  The bleed through 
>> from the opposite page is too disruptive for me.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841_item1/P123.html
>>  (top 
>> right)
>>
>> I can see that he is a son of my wife's ancestor Antonio Jose Cordeiro 
>> and his second wife Maria Joaquina.  Paternal grandparents Manuel Jose 
>> Cordeiro and Antonia and maternal of Francisco Nunes and Anna Maria.  He 
>> was born on 4 Oct 1840 and baptized on the 11th of the same month.  I just 
>> can't settle on the child's first name.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Furtado (1750s-1813) & Marianna da Trindade (1750s-1823) of Vila Franca & Ponta Garca

[JR]

I am pretty sure, as Cheri said that Manuel and Mariana married circa 1774, 
in Sao Pedro, Vila Franca, about one before they married. Those records in 
that time period are missing:

In VFSP casamentos, pages 153-170 are missing and they cover period April- 
1770 to April- 1777

Found all the Manuel's and Mariana's in the respective time period of their 
approximate birthdates. The problem is there is no link or piece of 
evidence that could tie them to definitive parents. For Manuel, Furtado is 
too common (many Manuel's) and Mariana could be the daughter of at least 
three different sets of parents in VFSP. If Mariana had stayed in VFSP, it 
would be possible through siblings to establish her parentage. But they 
went from Sao Pedro, to Matriz, to Ponta Garca.

JR

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 7:27:56 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Terri,
> I'm not at home and can't quite read them on my cell, but I do know I have 
> their deaths. Manuel died at the Santa Casa de Misercordia in Vila Franca. 
> Mariana da Trindade died in R. Quente. Neither of the deaths mentioned 
> their parents (many deaths don't mention the parents). It's trying to find 
> their parents. The pages in the marriage book are missing. We can use Y-DNA 
> to help with Manuel. I need to find someone. Using autosomal or Family 
> Finder is going to be a little tougher. A lot of endogamy to deal with. 
> Cheri
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019, 2:44 PM Terri Santos  > wrote:
>
>> Not sure if you had this info already or not Cheri. 
>> I found this today and wondered if it could be the death records for your 
>> Manuel Furtado and Marianna da Trindade.
>> I think Marianna's is rightbut with the one for Manuel, it says his 
>> wife's name was Marianna da Piedade. Did you find her name as such anywhere 
>> on the childrens records?
>> well...take a look and see.
>>
>> Obito for Marianna da Trindade
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848_item1/P56.html
>>
>> Obito for Manuel Furtado (husband of Marianna da Piedade)
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848_item1/P23.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 9:50:06 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Todd,
>>>
>>> Nope, not yet. They HAD to be SOMEONE'S godparents! Something!
>>> Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 6:42 PM brownat68  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheri,
>>>>
>>>> Did you ever find Manuel and Mariana's parents?
>>>>
>>>> Todd
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 6:54:11 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Catholic Church required the dispensations. My greats had a 
>>>>> dispensation in New Bedford, Massachusetts. But, in America, it was just 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> side note in the marriage book. I don't know that dispensation packets 
>>>>> exist. I took pictures of the ones in the Azores and will upload in a 
>>>>> week 
>>>>> or 2. Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2018 3:48 PM, "Elaine Mello"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My grandparents were cousins, but got married here in the US, so 
>>>>>> there wouldn't be anything back in the Azores for them (presumably), 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antonio Mello (b1889) was a great grandson through Ana de Espírito 
>>>>>> Santo through Antonio De Mello Barboza (b 1819) and my grandmother Maria 
>>>>>> Lima (b 1890) was a great granddaughter of Ana through Manoel De Mello 
>>>>>> Barboza (b 1829) via his daughter Francisca Roza De Mello (b 1854).  
>>>>>> Unless 
>>>>>> that was tracked back home at some point even though they got married in 
>>>>>> the States.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elaine 
>>>>>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for island and freguesia

[JR]

This is baptism of Manoel, bap- March 23- 1873, Furnas, No- 30, (matches 
birth date of record Margaret posted) , filho de Jose Rebelo and Maria de 
Jesus. Says they are natives of Furnas.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1870-1876/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1870-1876_item1/P113.html

JR



On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 11:00:53 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>
> Cheri, didn’t see that email.  Thank you. 
>
>  
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *May 7, 2019 10:33 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for island and freguesia
>
>  
>
> That's for Herb. I'm not researching the guy. The dates are way off from 
> the original immigration of 1865-1873, and if Manuel dies in 1950-1955 at 
> the age of 90, then he was born 1860-1865. Still doesn't fit what I found. 
> So Herb and his friend have more work to do. It's the closest I can find, 
> but it's like putting a square peg into a round hole.
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:26 PM Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
>
> Cheri,
>
>  
>
> Here are the details
>
>  
>
> *José* *Rebelo*
> Description level
>
> [image: Item] Item
> Reference code
>
> PT/BPARPD/ACD/GCPDL/P/001/0017/04893
> Date range
>
> 1882-03-30 [image: Date is certain]
> Scope and content
>
> Filiação: Francisco Rebelo e Inácia de Jesus.
>
> Idade: 42 anos.
>
> Estado: Casado.
>
> Profissão: Trabalhador.
>
> Naturalidade: Povoação. Furnas.
>
> Acompanhantes: Sua mulher, Maria Jacinta, de 42 anos, e filhos, Manuel, de 
> 9 anos, José, de 3 anos, e Francisco, de 6 meses.
>
> Embarcação: Vapor inglês Monarch.
>
> Destino: Sandwich.
> Description physical location
>
> Lv. 1385
>
> Nº 0304/1882
>
>  
>
> Margaret
>
>  
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *May 7, 2019 10:21 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for island and freguesia
>
>  
>
> The immigration year is wy off as well.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:17 PM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
> From Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, 
> page 375:
>
>  
>
> Vardasca, José Rebello, age 40, Monarch '93, Sao Miguel
>
> Maria de Jesus, 38 wife
>
> Children: Manoel 9, José 3; Francisco 1/2
>
>  
>
> NOTE: The "a" is typed on the end of Vardasca. That's not my typo. And 
> it's typed as Rebello, so again, not my typo. And it says Monarch 1893, so 
> not my typo again.
>
>  
>
> NOTE 2: The Monarch sailed from Sao Miguel on 29 March 1882 (NOT 1892) 
> arriving in June. Those dates are from the Bob De Mello book and have been 
> crossed out and written over, as there's errors there too.
>
>  
>
> There's nothing on this Vardasco/a family in the Bob De Mello book.
>
>  
>
> The Vardasca/o family from the Knowlton book doesn't entirely fit with the 
> ages in the previous message. You need to decide if it's the right family 
> or not.
>
>  
>
> Mel's description of the voyage that she posted on Your Island Routes: 
> http://www.yourislandroutes.com/ships/monarch.shtml
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 3:58 PM 'herb' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Thanks Debbie
>
>  
>
> yes I am familiar with this family using the name Vardasco. According to 
> the 1930 California census Manuel Roballo and his wife Andrietta not 
> Henriquetta were living in San Leandro with their children including 
> Joseph. Manuel’s father Francisco or maybe it was Jose Francisco had come 
> over to Hawaii from one of the Azores Islands but no one can determibe 
> which one. Maybe he used Vardasco  instead of Roballo when he came over?
>
>  
>
> Herb 
>
>  
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 7, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Cheri Mello > 
> wrote:
>
> Report (and edit) for Debbie Mendonca, jessdebmendonca at gmail dot com
>
>  
>
> Edit: There's a tree on Ancestry.com.
>
>  
>
> Post:
>
> Manuel Vardasco Robello (1864-1955)
>
>  
>
> That is from a family tree.  They named their son Joseph after his brother 
>Manuel’s dad was Jose.  Wife was Henrieta Florida de Silva.  I’m not 
> finding Manuel’s grave on Find a Grave.  
>
>  
>
> His son used Joseph Robello Vardas

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time tryingtoread this record ...

[JR]

Sorry guys. I thought her translations were so good that I didn't bother to 
review the dates! Nevertheless, I think Lisa does quite well for a beginner.

JR

On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 10:53:34 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>
> That’s correct, Bill and thank you.  My typo, “1766”
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From: *bsei...@gmail.com 
> *Sent: *May 5, 2019 10:51 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time 
> tryingtoread this record ...
>
>  
>
> I see the year as 1766
>
>  
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:50:59 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Lisa,
>
>  
>
> The marriage date for Joao Carvalho and Maria Rosa is April 14 1763. 
>
>  
>
> I have these families both lines are my ancestors.  PM me if you’re 
> looking for more information.
>
>  
>
> Margaret
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From: *JR
> *Sent: *May 5, 2019 8:51 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time trying 
> toread this record ...
>
>  
>
> It all looks good to me. The name is Simao Machado. The variations on 
> Filipa (the modern version) are not that important. They are same name, 
> Phelipa, Felipa, with or without two p's or two l's. Loiro in other records 
> may turn out to be Louro. The bride, Felipa was disobligated in Sao Pedro, 
> so likely was also baptised there.
>
>  
>
> JR
>
>  
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-4, Lisa S wrote:
>
> The first one is this:
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778_item1/P129.html
> Marriage - 12 April 1863
>
> João Carvalho de Sousa
>
> son of Jozeph Carvalho and Maria Martins
>
> Maria Rosa
>
> daughter of Francisco de Sousa and Philippa??? Pereira
>
>  
>
> All baptized in this same frequesia São Pedro, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel
>
>  
>
> Gonçalo Correia and Manoel da Costa = witnesses ???
>
>  
>
> ===
>
>  
>
> Next I checked the indexes to try to help me guess the name of the parents 
> of Maria Rosa.  Here is the link to that page.  I think that it's Francisco 
> de Sousa Loiro and Philipa Pereira.  Does this appear right?
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860_item1/P26.html
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> =
>
>  
>
> Then there's the 3rd record which is also so hard to read:
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747_item1/P65.html
>
>  
>
> Groom: Francisco de Sousa Loiro Son of Manoel Rodrigues Loiro and his wife 
> Maria dos Santos Naturals of Estrella (Nossa Senhora da Estrela) in the 
> village of Ribeira Grande Bride: Fellippa Pereira Daughter of Simao or 
> Manoel (sp? hard to read) Machado and Maria Pereira DIGO Isabel Pereira (I 
> think that DIGO means that the priest made a mistake by writing Maria 
> Pereira, and is correcting himself by then writing the proper name which is 
> Isabel Pereira.) Naturals of this same freguesia Apóstolo de São Pedro, 
> Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal Of note is that the groom signs 
> his name Francisco de Sousa, without Loiro at the end. Margin Note: 10 
> March 1812
>
>  
>
> 
>
>  
>
> Does anyone else get anything different please?
>
>  
>
> Thank you for any help.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hi, I am having a difficult time trying to read this record ...

[JR]

It all looks good to me. The name is Simao Machado. The variations on 
Filipa (the modern version) are not that important. They are same name, 
Phelipa, Felipa, with or without two p's or two l's. Loiro in other records 
may turn out to be Louro. The bride, Felipa was disobligated in Sao Pedro, 
so likely was also baptised there.

JR



On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-4, Lisa S wrote:
>
> The first one is this:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1747-1778_item1/P129.html
> Marriage - 12 April 1863
> João Carvalho de Sousa
> son of Jozeph Carvalho and Maria Martins
> Maria Rosa
> daughter of Francisco de Sousa and Philippa??? Pereira
>
> All baptized in this same frequesia São Pedro, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel
>
> Gonçalo Correia and Manoel da Costa = witnesses ???
>
> ===
>
> Next I checked the indexes to try to help me guess the name of the parents 
> of Maria Rosa.  Here is the link to that page.  I think that it's Francisco 
> de Sousa Loiro and Philipa Pereira.  Does this appear right?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-I-1617-1860_item1/P26.html
>  
>
>
> =
>
> Then there's the 3rd record which is also so hard to read:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1718-1747_item1/P65.html
>
> Groom: Francisco de Sousa Loiro Son of Manoel Rodrigues Loiro and his wife 
> Maria dos Santos Naturals of Estrella (Nossa Senhora da Estrela) in the 
> village of Ribeira Grande Bride: Fellippa Pereira Daughter of Simao or 
> Manoel (sp? hard to read) Machado and Maria Pereira DIGO Isabel Pereira (I 
> think that DIGO means that the priest made a mistake by writing Maria 
> Pereira, and is correcting himself by then writing the proper name which is 
> Isabel Pereira.) Naturals of this same freguesia Apóstolo de São Pedro, 
> Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, Açores, Portugal Of note is that the groom signs 
> his name Francisco de Sousa, without Loiro at the end. Margin Note: 10 
> March 1812
>
> 
>
> Does anyone else get anything different please?
>
> Thank you for any help.
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1682 Marriage Porto Judeu Terceira Francisco Martins to Marta Ferreira

[JR]

This all looks good Bill.

JR

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 2:50:31 AM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I feel like I had to guess at a lot of this so just hoping for 
> confirmation or correction.  It starts a quarter way down on the right side.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-C-1672-1726/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-C-1672-1726_item1/P14.html
>
> 12 Oct 1682, Igreja Santo Antonio, Porto Judeu
>
> Groom: Francisco Martins, son of gp.r [Gaspar] Homem and his wife M.a Glz 
> [Maria Gonçalves], she is deceased
>
> Bride: Martha Ferreira daughter of Tomé Ferreira and his wife Isabel Frz 
> [Fernandes]
>
> All are parishioners of this parish.
>
> Thank you for any help.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side bar help! Pedro Miguel

[JR]

Not quite sure about the margin, but at the top in faint writing is, "chama 
se agora Jozeph." He is now called Joseph. And of course, above Girinaldo, 
is Joze', with mark being short for Jozeph, I believe. At first I thought 
it was question mark, but why question what you just wrote.

JR

On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 12:27:18 AM UTC-4, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
>
> I know!! I had not heard of it before! 
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> Susan 
>
> On May 2, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Cheri Mello > 
> wrote:
>
> Wow, what a name!
>
> If no one can get it, you may need to email the archives and ask them if 
> they could so kindly tell you what is written in the left margin of that 
> record. That bend is difficult.
> bpar.h...@azores.gov.pt  
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:11 PM 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I have been going over some research that i did long ago and wondered if 
>> the experts here could take a look at the side bar on this baptism record 
>> for Grinaldo on the right page middle record. I do not need help with 
>> reading the record itself.but the side bar, which is very faded.
>>
>> This is the thing.This family had a ton of children.14 at 
>> least.this Grinaldo is never heard from again...no marriage or 
>> death..
>>
>> Then they had a Jose and I could never find his baptism record.Jose 
>> marries  to Francisca Jacinta in Pedro Miguel, Faial.on 27 May 1759
>> He dies 26 Sept 1781 
>>
>> Looking at the side bar of Grinaldo's baptism, it looks like the name 
>> Joseph is there and maybe even a reference to Francisca Jacinta?? I just 
>> wondered if there is anything there that might say that Grinaldo might have 
>> ended up being called Jose?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>
>> Ps...Cheri, I am looking at these records again because they are my 
>> ancestors and ALSO Jerome Silveira's:)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1716-1729/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1716-1729_item1/P81.html?fbclid=IwAR1aEhQAIxg45XsM6DvcGSZUTYszh_28k_B3YJzhqpRf78RBM2Cqvw9h5UU
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antão and Maria, twins of Antonio Machado Neto, Porto Judeu, Terceira 1714

[JR]

I agree, onze it is.

JR

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 1:19:36 AM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I finally found this couple's child that is my 5th GGmother.  Was she born 
> on the first birthday of her older sibling twins or do all dates now look 
> like 11 January to me?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730_item1/P29.html
>   
> (bottom left)
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 9:54:43 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I found these twins born to my 6th Great Grandparents and hoping someone 
>> can help me understand.
>>
>> What I see is Antão and Maria, filhos of Alferes Antonio Machado Neto and 
>> his wife Maria Clara, born on 11 January 1714.
>>
>> Antão was baptized at home on 11 Jan because he was in peril.
>>
>> Maria was baptized on 16 Jan and her godfather is Captain Jacinto Borges 
>> Homem, married.  I don't see anything further like any madrinhas or a 
>> padrinho for Antão;  did he die?
>>
>> I look forward to any comments or corrections,  It is the top right 
>> record.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730_item1/P22.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antão and Maria, twins of Antonio Machado Neto, Porto Judeu, Terceira 1714

[JR]

I think you are right Bill. It says he was anointed with Holy oil, so Antao 
likely died. But I don't know for certain. One other correction: I cross 
checked with another record to make sure and Jacinto Borges is probably the 
whole name followed by, married man (homem cazado.) But it could have been 
the other way, since Homem is also a name, so always check other records 
for better context.

JR

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 12:54:43 AM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I found these twins born to my 6th Great Grandparents and hoping someone 
> can help me understand.
>
> What I see is Antão and Maria, filhos of Alferes Antonio Machado Neto and 
> his wife Maria Clara, born on 11 January 1714.
>
> Antão was baptized at home on 11 Jan because he was in peril.
>
> Maria was baptized on 16 Jan and her godfather is Captain Jacinto Borges 
> Homem, married.  I don't see anything further like any madrinhas or a 
> padrinho for Antão;  did he die?
>
> I look forward to any comments or corrections,  It is the top right record.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-B-1711-1730_item1/P22.html
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help figuring out if 2 couples are the same - Medeiros/Manteiga - Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[JR]

In my opinion, you are the expert. You have been through and exhausted the 
records, so you are in position to see if errors were made by the priests. 
Verify if there is marriage for Jose Medeiros and Anna de Jesus. Are they 
same people as Jose Oliveira and Joana Emilia, in the sense that wrong 
grandparents were named and they meant the latter?

JR

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 12:51:32 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I came across a passenger list for Hawaii. I believe the family on there 
> are my family but the wife has a different name. Here is my evidence:
>
> Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga April 27, 1849
> Maria da Gloria about 1848
> Married on May 11, 1872 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html
> Groom's parents: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
> Bride's parents: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia
>
> Children:
> Maria - Mar. 29 1872 
> Parents are listed as: Manoel Medeiros/Maria da Conceicao
> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna de Jesus
> Mat: Jose de Medeiros Zangao/Anna de Jesus
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P151.html
>
> Ricarda - Oct. 26 1874
> Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
> Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P340.html
>
> Maria - Jan. 16, 1877
> Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
> Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna de Jesus
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P488.html
>
> Manoel - Dec. 30, 1879
> Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
> Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P6.html
>
> Jose - Oct. 19, 1882
> Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
> Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1882-1888/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1882-1888_item1/P121.html
>
> The only information on the passenger list from 1883 is:
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-04-10 at 12.40.11 PM.png]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So Manoel would have been born on approximately 1850
> Maria da Conceicao - approx. 1848
> Maria - approx. 1873
> Ricarda - approx. 1875
> Manoel - approx. 1880
> Maria - approx. 1877
> Jose - approx. 1883
>
> Only once does the mother show as Maria da Conceicao on the children's 
> baptismal records. The ages are all pretty close, down to the manifest wife 
> being older than the husband. I have not found any other records that would 
> match this manifest. I do have another Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga in my 
> tree and he is married to a Maria da Conceicao, however, her parents are 
> Jacinto Carvalho and Jacintha de Jesus and he was born in 1823.  In this 
> case, Boaventura only has one son by the name of Manoel (as far as I have 
> researched).  Thoughts? 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Soares Manteiga - Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[JR]

When was the marriage? Is it possible that an entry was made after the 
fact, like when someone forgets to enter the baptism into the book?


I assume you know about this marriage already?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899_item1/P283.html

JR

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:40:38 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Yes, but my problem is this new kid that I can’t find a record for. No 
> baptismal record, just a marriage record.
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:38 PM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> A couple of miscarriages can fit in a 5 year period. Just a thought.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:32 PM Leonor Bertoni > > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks JR, I did look in Santa Cruz, nothing. What I found on Ancestry 
>>> was an actual document, a marriage registration, not someone’s tree. I’ve 
>>> been thinking though, I don’t think my great grandfather left the island, 
>>> just my uncle and maybe some siblings. My grandfather never left.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:09 PM JR > 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is worth looking in Santa Cruz, Lagoa, because sometimes people 
>>>> moved around depending where there was work. I would be leery of  what 
>>>> Ancestry posts. They don't check or verify anything. And as stated here 
>>>> many times, people just collect names, add them to their trees, and post 
>>>> them without ever checking or verifying. Your work is much more thorough 
>>>> and important.
>>>>
>>>> JR
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:28:07 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> I'm researching my great grandfather Jose Soares Manteiga's line. Jose 
>>>>> Soares Manteiga married Maria Amelia Calheta on 25 Oct 1880, in Rosario, 
>>>>> Lagoa. My researched gave me 9 children all born in Rosario, Lagoa: 
>>>>> Francisco b: 1885, Maria b: 1887, Antonio b: 1889, Jose b; 1890, Maria b: 
>>>>> 1892, Maria b: 1894, Rosa b: 1897, Jacintha b: 1900, Joao b: 1903. 
>>>>> Finding 
>>>>> it a little bit strange that they didn't have kids until 5 years after 
>>>>> they 
>>>>> got married, I went back and looked again, still found nothing. I found 
>>>>> all 
>>>>> of these kids by searching all the records 1 by 1 from 1880 to 1905. 
>>>>> Ancestry tells me that there was another child born on February 9, 1883 
>>>>> by 
>>>>> the name of Manoel. It looks like my great grandfather immigrated to the 
>>>>> US 
>>>>> in 1902 (according to Ancestry), I also found a marriage registration for 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> Manuel Soares Manteiga, son of Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia 
>>>>> Calheta. I searched the baptismal records again, still found nothing on a 
>>>>> Manuel or Manoel born to Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia Calheta. I 
>>>>> am not sure where else to look. Ideas?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Soares Manteiga - Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[JR]

It is worth looking in Santa Cruz, Lagoa, because sometimes people moved 
around depending where there was work. I would be leery of  what Ancestry 
posts. They don't check or verify anything. And as stated here many times, 
people just collect names, add them to their trees, and post them without 
ever checking or verifying. Your work is much more thorough and important.

JR

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:28:07 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I'm researching my great grandfather Jose Soares Manteiga's line. Jose 
> Soares Manteiga married Maria Amelia Calheta on 25 Oct 1880, in Rosario, 
> Lagoa. My researched gave me 9 children all born in Rosario, Lagoa: 
> Francisco b: 1885, Maria b: 1887, Antonio b: 1889, Jose b; 1890, Maria b: 
> 1892, Maria b: 1894, Rosa b: 1897, Jacintha b: 1900, Joao b: 1903. Finding 
> it a little bit strange that they didn't have kids until 5 years after they 
> got married, I went back and looked again, still found nothing. I found all 
> of these kids by searching all the records 1 by 1 from 1880 to 1905. 
> Ancestry tells me that there was another child born on February 9, 1883 by 
> the name of Manoel. It looks like my great grandfather immigrated to the US 
> in 1902 (according to Ancestry), I also found a marriage registration for a 
> Manuel Soares Manteiga, son of Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia 
> Calheta. I searched the baptismal records again, still found nothing on a 
> Manuel or Manoel born to Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia Calheta. I 
> am not sure where else to look. Ideas?
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing my Grandparents >> Jose Moniz Furnas & Rosa Furtado Moniz

[JR]

I think these are your ancestors. On baptism of Jose Moniz Furnas, the 
maternal grandparents were wrongly named. But below is the correct lineage.


JR


*Ancestors of Ancestors of Anthony*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  *Ancestors of Anthony ,* born in Canada.  He was the son of *2. 
Jose Moniz Furnas* and *3. Rosa Moniz Furtado*.

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

*2.*  *Jose Moniz Furnas,* born 03 Feb 1892 in Sao Bras, bap- 
freguesia de Porto Formoso; died 21 Mar 1951 in Porto Formoso.  He was the 
son of *4. Manuel Moniz das Furnas* and *5. Joaquina Rosa de Jesus*.  He 
married *3. Rosa Moniz Furtado* 29 Sep 1923 in New Bedford, Massachusetts, 
USA.

*3.*  *Rosa Moniz Furtado,* born 03 May 1899 in NS do Rosario de 
Achadinha; died 31 Mar 1988 in Canada.  She was the daughter of *6. Manuel 
Furtado Monteiro* and *7. Maria da Conceicao*.



Child of Jose Moniz Furnas and Rosa Furtado is:

1 i.Ancestors of Anthony, 

 

 

*Generation No. 3*

 

*4.*  *Manuel Moniz das Furnas,* born 07 Nov 1841 in Santa Ana das 
Furnas, res Porto Formoso.  He was the son of *8. Manuel Moniz* and *9. 
Maria de Jesus or Maria Candida*.  He married *5. Joaquina Rosa de Jesus* 06 
Mar 1866 in NS da Graca de Porto Formoso.

*5.*  *Joaquina Rosa de Jesus,* born Abt. 1839 (records missing) in 
NS da Graca de Porto Formoso.  She was the daughter of *10. Joao Jose 
Correia* and *11. Ana Joaquina or Ana de Jesus*.



Children of Manuel Moniz das Furnas and Joaquina are:

  i.Manuel, born 20 Mar 1867 in Sao Bras, bap- 
freguesia de Porto Formoso.

 ii.Maria da Conceicao, born 27 Feb 1869 in Sao 
Bras, bap- freguesia de Porto Formoso; married Manuel Furtado Monteiro 23 
Aug 1888 in NS da Graca de Faial da Terra; born 15 Mar 1862 in NS do 
Rosario de Achadinha.

2   iii.Jose Moniz Furnas, born 03 Feb 1892 in Sao 
Bras, bap- freguesia de Porto Formoso; died 21 Mar 1951 in Porto Formoso; 
married Rosa Moniz Furtado 29 Sep 1923 in New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.


JR

On Sunday, April 7, 2019 at 12:08:15 PM UTC-4, AJ Moniz wrote:
>
> Good morning ,
>
> Here are further details of my Grandparents background , 
> Still trying to find their marriage records  , ie place of marriage , 
> pictures ?
>  etc and their travel documents to/from the USA and Sao Miguel , Azores ( 
> Both in and Out ), 
> essentially any data that is available from the web archives on them and 
> immediate family in the  USA .
> I understand that my Grandmother  & Grandfather had family in the USA that 
> stayed there to raise their families ( my cousins ) 
>
> Here is what I have found so far : 
>
> *Grandfather* : Jose' Moniz Furnas  
> Born in 1902 Sao Miguel, Azores  exact location ?
> Emmigrated to Somerset, Bristol , Mass , USA in Feb 28 1921 ( via SS 
> Cretic ) to meet family (cousins ?) , 
> Married Sept,29, 1923 to Rosa Moniz Furtado ( Rosa Furtado Moniz  ?) 
> returned to  Sao Bras, Sao Miguel with spouse on  ? 
> Started family ,7 children were born during the years of 1925 to 1938.
> Died on March,21,1951 at the age of 49 in the village of Sao Bras,( Porto 
> Formoso) , Sao Miguel , Azores , Portugal 
>
> *Grandmother* : Rosa Moniz Furtado  , ( AKA Rosa Furtado  Moniz ?)
> Born in May, 3,1899  ,
> Born in Achadinha , Nordeste ,Sao Miguel, Azores 
> Emmigrated with her Parents on  ?  via steamship S/S ? to Somerset , 
> Bristol, Mass, USA 
> Met my future Grandfather Jose' in Somerset , Bristol, Mass USA  after 
> 1921 and 
> Married  on Sept .29, 1923
> Both travelled back to Sao Bras ,Ribeira Grande,  Sao Miguel Azores on
>  ? 
> Started family in Sao Bras , ( Porto Formoso) ,Sao Miguel, Azores from 
> 1925 onwards  
>
> Summary of :
> *Parents :*
> Jose Moniz Furnas , born on 
> Rosa Moniz Furtado (Rosa Furtado Moniz) , Born on May 3, 1899, passed away 
> March ,31, 1988
> *Children  :* 
> Olivia Furtado Moniz , Born Sept 25,1925 Died on 
> Nov, 28,2008
> Ernesto Furtado Moniz  Born Feb ,7, 1927,   Died on 
> Nov ,8,2012
> Manuel Furtado Moniz , Born on  ?Alive 
> : as of April /2019
> Laura Furtado Moniz , Born on ?   Died 
> on ?
> Jose' Furtado Moniz , Born on 1933?Died on 
> ?
> Guilherme Furtado Moniz, Born on December 7, 1936,Died on ?
> Carlos Furtado Moniz, Born on Oct 18, 1938 , Died on?
>  
> My Grandmother Rosa, emmigrated from Sao Bras to Vancouver, BC, Canada on 
> March 4, 1974 ? 
> Lived in Vancouver from 1974 till she passed away on Vancouver, BC :  
> March 31, 1988
>
> That is all I can find , hope to find 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing my Grandparents >> Jose Moniz Furnas & Rosa Furtado Moniz

[JR]

 I think these are your ancestors. However, the grandparents do not match, 
so you will have top look for marriages to confirm which are the correct 
grandparents.


JR

===


*Ancestors of Ancestors of Anthony J. Moniz*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  *Ancestors of Anthony J. Moniz,* born in Richmond, BC, Canada.  
He was the son of *2. Jose Moniz Furnas* and *3. Rosa Moniz Furtado*.

 

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

*2.*  *Jose Moniz Furnas,* born 03 Feb 1892 in Sao Bras, bap- 
freguesia de Porto Formoso; died 21 Mar 1951 in Porto Formoso.  He was the 
son of *4. Manuel Moniz das Furnas* and *5. Joaquina de Jesus*.  He married *3. 
Rosa Moniz Furtado* 29 Sep 1923 in New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.

*3.*  *Rosa Moniz Furtado,* born 03 May 1899 in NS do Rosario de 
Achadinha; died 31 Mar 1988 in Vancouver, BC, Canada.  She was the daughter 
of *6. Manuel Ferreira Sardinha* and *7. Maria Henrique*.

 

Notes for Jose Moniz Furnas:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1900-1905_item1/P81.html

 

NS da Graca de Porto Formoso, baptismos, Jose, No- 6, page 7, verso, 

Jose, bap- Feb 16- 1892, born- Feb 3- 1892 (cinco horas de manha - 5 am), 
filho de Manoel Moniz das Furnas, Campaneo, natural desta freguesia, and 
Anna da Conceicao, domestica, natural de NS da Penha de Franca (Agua 
Retorta), concelho de Povoacao, foram recebidos e moradores no lugar de Sam 
Braz desta freguesia; Paternos, Manoel Moniz das Furnas and Joaquina de 
Jesus; Maternos, Manuel Ferreira Sardinha and Maria Henrique; foi 
padrinhos, Manoel furtado casado, lavrador, and madrinha, Maria da 
Conceicao, casada.

 

Margin note: No-1, [Jose] married Rosa Furtada in New Bedford, of North 
America, 29th day of September, 1923, registered in Conservatoria, as 
bulletin 186, 19-06-1968

No-2, he died, 21-03-1951, in freguesia de Porto Formoso. Bulletin 205, 
1968, roll 6, 19-06-1968

 

Notes for Rosa Moniz Furtado:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P143.html

 

NS do Rosario, Achadinha, baptismos, Rosa, no- 8, page 3 verso.

 

Rosa, bapt- May 11- 1899, born- May 3- 1899, filha de Manoel Furtado 
Monteiro, junior, Campones and Maria da Conceicao, domestica, natural e 
baptizada NS da Graca de Porto Formozo, o pai natural e baptzado nesta 
freguesia de NS do rosario de Achadinha, onde sao parichianos, moradores na 
rua do Burguette, tendo recebido na NS da Graca de Fayal da Terra; neta 
paterno de Manoel Furtado Monteiro Senior and Rosa Maria; neta materno de 
Manoel Muniz and Joaquina Rosa; Padrinho, Manoel Muniz, camponeo, casado 
and Maria da Estrella, domestica, solteira.

 

Margin notes: 

No-1, [Rosa] married Jose Monis Furnas in New Bedford, Massachusettes, USA, 
29th of September, 1923, Doc. 36, roll 10, 19 June- 1968;

no-2, marriage dissolved, March 21- 1951, doc 13, roll 10- June 19- 1968

No- 3, Rosa died in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, March 31, 1988

 

Marriage Notes for Jose Moniz Furnas and Rosa Furtado:

See baptism of Jose for marriage information as copied below:

 

Margin note: No-1, [Jose] married Rosa Furtada in New Bedford, of North 
America, 29th day of September, 1923, registered in Conservatoria, as 
bulletin 186, 19-06-1968

No-2, he died, 21-03-1951, in freguesia de Porto Formoso. Bulletin 205, 
1968, roll 6, 19-06-1968



Child of Jose Moniz Furnas and Rosa Furtado is:

1 i.Ancestors of Anthony J. Moniz, born in 
Richmond, BC, Canada.

 

 

*Generation No. 3*

 

*4.*  *Manuel Moniz das Furnas*  He married *5. Joaquina de Jesus*.

*5.*  *Joaquina de Jesus*

 

Child of Manuel Moniz das Furnas and Joaquina is:

2 i.Jose Moniz Furnas, born 03 Feb 1892 in Sao 
Bras, bap- freguesia de Porto Formoso; died 21 Mar 1951 in Porto Formoso; 
married Rosa Moniz Furtado 29 Sep 1923 in New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.

 

 

*6.*  *Manuel Ferreira Sardinha,* born in NS de Penha de Franca, 
Agua Retorta.  He married *7. Maria Henrique*.

*7.*  *Maria Henrique,* born in NS de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta.



Child of Manuel Ferreira Sardinha and Maria is:

3 i.Rosa Moniz Furtado, born 03 May 1899 in NS 
do Rosario de Achadinha; died 31 Mar 1988 in Vancouver, BC, Canada; married 
Jose Moniz Furnas 29 Sep 1923 in New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.

 

 

On Sunday, April 7, 2019 at 12:08:15 PM UTC-4, AJ Moniz wrote:
>
> Good morning ,
>
> Here are further details of my Grandparents background , 
> Still trying to find their marriage records  , ie place of marriage , 
> pictures ?
>  etc and their travel documents to/from the USA and Sao Miguel , Azores ( 
> Both in and Out ), 
> essentially any data that is available fr

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Tracing my Grandparents >> Jose Moniz Furnas & Rosa Furtado Moniz

[JR]

This is your lucky day. Thought for sure they would be in Furnas, but it 
appears they were settled in Porto Formoso. Bear in mind the grandparents 
do not match, so you will have to find the marriages to verify which are 
the correct parents.

JR
===

*Ancestors of Ancestors of Anthony J. Moniz*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  *Ancestors of Anthony J. Moniz,* born in Richmond, BC, Canada.  
He was the son of *2. Jose Moniz Furnas* and *3. Rosa Moniz Furtado*.

 

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

*2.*  *Jose Moniz Furnas,* born 03 Feb 1892 in Sao Bras, bap- 
freguesia de Porto Formoso; died 21 Mar 1951 in Porto Formoso.  He was the 
son of *4. Manuel Moniz das Furnas* and *5. Joaquina de Jesus*.  He married *3. 
Rosa Moniz Furtado* 29 Sep 1923 in New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.

*3.*  *Rosa Moniz Furtado,* born 03 May 1899 in NS do Rosario de 
Achadinha; died 31 Mar 1988 in Vancouver, BC, Canada.  She was the daughter 
of *6. Manuel Ferreira Sardinha* and *7. Maria Henrique*.

 

Notes for Jose Moniz Furnas:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1900-1905_item1/P81.html

 

NS da Graca de Porto Formoso, baptismos, Jose, No- 6, page 7, verso, 

Jose, bap- Feb 16- 1892, born- Feb 3- 1892 (cinco horas de manha - 5 am), 
filho de Manoel Moniz das Furnas, Campaneo, natural desta freguesia, and 
Anna da Conceicao, domestica, natural de NS da Penha de Franca (Agua 
Retorta), concelho de Povoacao, foram recebidos e moradores no lugar de Sam 
Braz desta freguesia; Paternos, Manoel Moniz das Furnas and Joaquina de 
Jesus; Maternos, Manuel Ferreira Sardinha and Maria Henrique; foi 
padrinhos, Manoel furtado casado, lavrador, and madrinha, Maria da 
Conceicao, casada.

 

Margin note: No-1, [Jose] married Rosa Furtada in New Bedford, of North 
America, 29th day of September, 1923, registered in Conservatoria, as 
bulletin 186, 19-06-1968

No-2, he died, 21-03-1951, in freguesia de Porto Formoso. Bulletin 205, 
1968, roll 6, 19-06-1968

 

Notes for Rosa Moniz Furtado:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P143.html

 

NS do Rosario, Achadinha, baptismos, Rosa, no- 8, page 3 verso.

 

Rosa, bapt- May 11- 1899, born- May 3- 1899, filha de Manoel Furtado 
Monteiro, junior, Campones and Maria da Conceicao, domestica, natural e 
baptizada NS da Graca de Porto Formoso, o pai natural e baptizado nesta 
freguesia de NS do Rosario de Achadinha, onde sao parichianos, moradores na 
rua do Burguette, tendo recebido na NS da Graca de Fayal da Terra; neta 
paterno de Manoel Furtado Monteiro Senior and Rosa Maria; neta materno de 
Manoel Muniz and Joaquina Rosa; Padrinho, Manoel Muniz, camponeo, casado 
and Maria da Estrella, domestica, solteira.

 

Margin notes: 

No-1, [Rosa] married Jose Monis Furnas in New Bedford, Massachusettes, USA, 
29th of September, 1923, Doc. 36, roll 10, 19 June- 1968;

no-2, marriage dissolved, March 21- 1951, doc 13, roll 10- June 19- 1968

No- 3, Rosa died in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, March 31, 1988

 

Marriage Notes for Jose Moniz Furnas and Rosa Furtado:

See baptism of Jose for marriage information as copied below:

 

Margin note: No-1, [Jose] married Rosa Furtada in New Bedford, of North 
America, 29th day of September, 1923, registered in Conservatoria, as 
bulletin 186, 19-06-1968

No-2, he died, 21-03-1951, in freguesia de Porto Formoso. Bulletin 205, 
1968, roll 6, 19-06-1968



Child of Jose Moniz Furnas and Rosa Furtado is:

1 i.Ancestors of Anthony J. Moniz, born in 
Richmond, BC, Canada.

 

 

*Generation No. 3*

 

*4.*  *Manuel Moniz das Furnas*  He married *5. Joaquina de Jesus*.

*5.*  *Joaquina de Jesus*

 

Marriage Notes for Manuel Moniz das Furnas and Joaquina:

is this right people?

 

06-03-1867, Porto Formoso

Manuel Moniz, (BPSAVF) 24 anos, filho de Manuel Moniz and Maria de Jesus 
*bPF

Joaquina Emília, 27 anos, filha de João Correia and Ana Joaquina, *Sb-RG

 



Child of Manuel Moniz das Furnas and Joaquina is:

2 i.Jose Moniz Furnas, born 03 Feb 1892 in Sao 
Bras, bap- freguesia de Porto Formoso; died 21 Mar 1951 in Porto Formoso; 
married Rosa Moniz Furtado 29 Sep 1923 in New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.

 

 

*6.*  *Manuel Ferreira Sardinha,* born in NS de Penha de Franca, 
Agua Retorta.  He married *7. Maria Henrique*.

*7.*  *Maria Henrique,* born in NS de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta.



Child of Manuel Ferreira Sardinha and Maria is:

3 i.Rosa Moniz Furtado, born 03 May 1899 in NS 
do Rosario de Achadinha; died 31 Mar 1988 in Vancouver, BC, Canada; married 
Jose Moniz Furnas 29 Sep 1923 in New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 11:39:54 AM UTC-4, Anthony J M wrote:
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> Go

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Subject question about Family Treekmaker software

[JR]

Try this: Give a bogus name to unknown spouse. I use 'made-up spouse.' Then 
right click bogus spouse and choose delete person. Or use any method you 
want to delete bogus person.

JR

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 11:39:54 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
>
> I use to have that issue too i did what JR said made it the same as 
> current spouse with same bday. But when there was no spouse hard to delete 
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 9:30 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> JR, Thanks for this.  I did try that method but; perhaps because I did 
>> not have birth dates, it didn’t work for me.  I’ll try that with fake 
>> birthdates.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Appreciate the help,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *JR 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:46 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Subject question about Family 
>> Treekmaker software
>>
>>  
>>
>> Select and right click any individual and then select delete for FTM Ver 
>> 14.
>>
>>  
>>
>> There is another way to remove unknown spouse. Since I don't use most 
>> recent version of FTM even though I have it, so this may not apply to your 
>> case. However, try this:
>>
>>  
>>
>> In the Unknown spouse field, create the same identical name of the 
>> existing spouse. Be sure to give the existing and the new spouse the same 
>> birth dates. So let's say, Manuel da Costa is married to Maria Furtado and 
>> to unknown spouse. Rename unknown spouse to Maria Furtado. So now you have 
>> Manuel da Costa married to two Maria Furtados. Once the two Maria Furtado's 
>> are given same birthdays of 1750, FTM will ask if these are same people. 
>> Say yes and it will merge them and your unknown spouse and/or second spouse 
>> will disappear. You can also do this manually, by merging two people with 
>> exact birth dates. I find applying two like names and like birthdates the 
>> easiest way. After they are merged, you can always correct the names or 
>> birth dates if necessary.
>>
>>  
>>
>> JR 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 10:48:46 PM UTC-4, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>>
>> That’s a sneaky work around Leonor.  I’ll give ita try, thanks!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Leonor Bertoni
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 4, 2019 5:23 PM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Subject question about Family 
>> Treekmaker software
>>
>>  
>>
>> Are you using FTM? If so, it had added an unknown spouse to some of my 
>> living relatives. I deleted the fact on Ancestry and it eventually deleted 
>> from FTM. I couldn’t figure out how to delete it from FTM.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Does anyone know how to delete an “unknown spouse”.  I have inadvertently 
>> hit the “add a spouse” button when there was no spouse to add.  I know how 
>> to delete a person who has a name but; it won’t let me delete the blank 
>> spouse so, I have 3 spouses showing instead of 2 and that is messing things 
>> up.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks all, 
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Augusto Carvalho

[JR]

It looks like dez horas de noite do dia cinco de Marco do corrente anno. He 
was baptised April 2, 1899.

JR

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 4:18:48 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Luis,
>
> The IMAGE number and the PAGE number are two different things. This record 
> is page 7, image 9. And the record is #21. So you have to be careful with 
> PAGE vs IMAGE.
>
> Augusto was baptized 2 day of April. I think it says he was born on the 20 
> of March. I'm sure about the March part. And you know you are in the 1889 
> book.
>
> His mom is Mariana da Conceicao.
> Paternal grands: Francisco Carvalho and Francisca Thomasia. I'm not 100% 
> sure of the Thomasia part.
> Maternal grands: Victorino Scribble Scrabble and possibly Theresa de 
> Jesus. Looks like the chilled vinho got a little condensation and some 
> water dropped on the page.
>
> Let's have someone else take a look too.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:07 PM Luis Arruda  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Cheri,
>> This is the first page of the link;
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P262.html
>>
>> These are the correct pages..I just checkedthe links work correctly 
>> on my computer...he is Augusto..birth no. 21 bottom right on the link that 
>> has* "P262.html"* at the very end. 
>> If one looks at the very top left hand corner you will see *"**Ajuda da 
>> Bretanha, Batismos 1890-1899 > 1899 > 0009" *.  That is what I was 
>> referring to when I cited page 9. 
>> Luis 
>>
>> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 3:27:42 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you recheck your links and page numbers? There's 2 Augustos listed 
>>> and nobody is on page 9. Just put the link with the first page and don't 
>>> worry about the 2nd. We can figure it out. Thanks!
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 12:24 PM Luis Arruda  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P263.html
>>>>  
>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fculturacores.azores.gov.pt%2Fbiblioteca_digital%2FSMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899%2FSMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1%2FP263.html=D=1=AFQjCNG-xCip6g0QyAVaFpWSWp29A4h-Wg>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P262.html
>>>>  
>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fculturacores.azores.gov.pt%2Fbiblioteca_digital%2FSMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899%2FSMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1%2FP262.html=D=1=AFQjCNFuydZQNtjr3hW63SY_DSwVYBACAQ>
>>>>
>>>> Need help wih Augusto's DOB and baptismal date. I also need help with 
>>>> his mother and grandparents.  
>>>> This record appears on two pages - I have provided both in case one is 
>>>> not able to scroll back and forth - Augusto appears on the bottom right of 
>>>> page 9.
>>>>
>>>> Thanking everyone in advance for their support and help
>>>> Luis Arruda 
>>>> Hamilton, ON 
>>>> Canada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Subject question about Family Treekmaker software

[JR]

Select and right click any individual and then select delete for FTM Ver 14.

There is another way to remove unknown spouse. Since I don't use most 
recent version of FTM even though I have it, so this may not apply to your 
case. However, try this:

In the Unknown spouse field, create the same identical name of the existing 
spouse. Be sure to give the existing and the new spouse the same birth 
dates. So let's say, Manuel da Costa is married to Maria Furtado and to 
unknown spouse. Rename unknown spouse to Maria Furtado. So now you have 
Manuel da Costa married to two Maria Furtados. Once the two Maria Furtado's 
are given same birthdays of 1750, FTM will ask if these are same people. 
Say yes and it will merge them and your unknown spouse and/or second spouse 
will disappear. You can also do this manually, by merging two people with 
exact birth dates. I find applying two like names and like birthdates the 
easiest way. After they are merged, you can always correct the names or 
birth dates if necessary.

JR 

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 10:48:46 PM UTC-4, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>
> That’s a sneaky work around Leonor.  I’ll give ita try, thanks!
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
> *From: *Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 4, 2019 5:23 PM
> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Subject question about Family 
> Treekmaker software
>
>  
>
> Are you using FTM? If so, it had added an unknown spouse to some of my 
> living relatives. I deleted the fact on Ancestry and it eventually deleted 
> from FTM. I couldn’t figure out how to delete it from FTM.
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>  
>
> Does anyone know how to delete an “unknown spouse”.  I have inadvertently 
> hit the “add a spouse” button when there was no spouse to add.  I know how 
> to delete a person who has a name but; it won’t let me delete the blank 
> spouse so, I have 3 spouses showing instead of 2 and that is messing things 
> up.
>
>  
>
> Thanks all, 
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>  
>
>  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with last name

[JR]

Both are Friz (Fernandes= sometimes Frz) with accent above iz, and that is 
really an abbreviation mark indicating the name Fernandes has been 
contracted. My understanding is short forms are no longer allowed for names.

The modern name is Corvelo = Corvello, Curvelo, Curvello, Cruvello, etc.  I 
used the old spelling of Curvello before about 1800. It sometimes looks 
like Carvalho, but it is not. It's just the priest's style of writing. Look 
at name of priest, where he writes Tavares. The v clearly looks like u, but 
we know the name is Tavares and come to accept that is his style for v and 
other extended letters.

JR

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 10:34:51 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Sorry, I see Frias for the mother's name but could it be Fernandes?
>
>
>
> On Monday, 1 April 2019 22:33:22 UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm researching the family below but I think I see different variations 
>> of the last name, I know this is normal but I want to make sure that I have 
>> the closest spelling of the name. The name I'm looking for is 
>> Cruvello/Curvello...or maybe it's something else. I just need clarification 
>> of the Cruvello/Curvello/Something else name.
>>
>> This record is for Andre Cruvello (?) in the side note but on the body of 
>> the document it say Frias (after his mom) marrying Ursula de Andrade
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716_item1/P154.html
>>
>> This record is clearer but I can't really make out the bride's father's 
>> name, I think I see an "h"
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716_item1/P147.html
>>
>> These are two siblings.
>>
>> Leonor
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with birth day

[JR]

cinco dias de Marco, 1787, and bap. 11 de Marco

JR

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 7:27:11 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I cannot read the day of the birth or the day of the baptism. I get the 
> month and year but I keep seeing 32 of March for birthdate. Can someone 
> help, please?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1772-1789/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1772-1789_item1/P330.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[JR]

Leonor, you should have stayed in the dark. Now you don't have excuse to 
visit Sao Miguel;)

Margaret thanks again!

JR

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 9:56:56 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Margaret!! Thank you so much!
>
> I was getting ready to book my trip to search for these myself! 
>
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 21:54, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
>
>> Good news, check the back of the book, you will find all of the 135 pages.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here’s 34v
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836_item1/P345.html
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *JR 
>> *Sent: *March 28, 2019 9:37 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this 
>> couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel
>>
>>  
>>
>> Some interesting findings, Leonor. Go to this link, which is the index 
>> for baptisms in Rosario, 1829-1836: 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859_item1/P35.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> You will see Joanna, page 34 verso, filha de Antonio de Medeiros and Anna 
>> Jacinta, book 1829-1836. This is a different couple than your finding of 
>> Joanna. It is your missing Joanna. Now when you try to find page 34 verso, 
>> it is missing!! They left out pages from about 1829-April 1833 (pages 
>> 1-135). Three years of baptisms are missing! 
>>
>>  
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 2:39:23 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on 
>> my greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A 
>> little bit is an understatement)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd 
>> great grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but 
>> Joanna leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more 
>> experience can help me make sense of this.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose & 
>> Maria Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still 
>> looking) which shows d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> What I have:
>>
>> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
>>
>> Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat 
>> - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
>>
>> Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat 
>> - Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
>>
>> Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit) 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911_item1/P5.html
>>
>> Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia; 
>> Mats - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html
>>
>> Francisco -  Sept. 25 1867 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria 
>> Magdalena; Mat - Antonio da Costa Zangao & Anna Jacintha   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869_item1/P32.html
>>
>> Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiro

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with birth & baptism date

[JR]

I think it says, 4- Junho, 1764 (can't see letter L for July). Pad- Pedro 
Rodrigues cazado com Bernarda dos (Santos maybe?) natural de Matriz de Sao 
Sebastiao de Cidade de Ponta Delgada e madrinha Sebastianna de Pimentel 
filha familias de Francisco da Costa Pires and Jozefa de Pimentel natural 
desta parochial da NS do Rozario da Villa da Lagoa.

JR

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 1:34:44 AM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Enlarging and darkening Pedro's last name I see what looks like 
> Rod**ig***.  I think it might be Rodrigues.
>
> Bill
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 9:45:23 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Leonor,
>>
>> I don't think is says "...quatro digo doze.."  I think it says "quatro 
>> dias do mez de..."
>>
>> It then goes on to say baptism was on 12 of the same month and year.  
>> ("Doze" is not very clear but I think I see it)
>>
>> Padrinho is Pedro as you said but there is an ink blot where his last 
>> name should be so I can't get that.  It does say that he is married and 
>> natural of Matriz de São Sebastião, City of Ponta Delgada.  What I see for 
>> madrinha  is Sebastiana de Pimentel, filha familhas of Francisco da Costa 
>> Pires? and Josefa de Pimentel.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 8:57:15 PM UTC-7, leonor...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a very faint record. I can make out Antonia filha de Manoel da 
>>> Costa e de sua mulher Josefa Govea. I need the birth date, I think I see 
>>> narceu a quatro, digo doze do mez de Julho de 1764.  I can't make out the 
>>> day of her baptism but I think it was on the same month as her birth. Her 
>>> godfather was Pedro somebody and her godmother was Someone de Pimentel. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772_item1/P264.html
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> Leonor
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[JR]

Some interesting findings, Leonor. Go to this link, which is the index for 
baptisms in Rosario, 1829-1836: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859_item1/P35.html

You will see Joanna, page 34 verso, filha de Antonio de Medeiros and Anna 
Jacinta, book 1829-1836. This is a different couple than your finding of 
Joanna. It is your missing Joanna. Now when you try to find page 34 verso, 
it is missing!! They left out pages from about 1829-April 1833 (pages 
1-135). Three years of baptisms are missing! 

JR

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 2:39:23 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on my 
> greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A little 
> bit is an understatement)
>
> Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd 
> great grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.
>
> Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but 
> Joanna leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more 
> experience can help me make sense of this.
>
> Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose & 
> Maria Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html
>
> Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>
> I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still looking) which 
> shows d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html
>
> What I have:
> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
> Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat - 
> Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
> Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat - 
> Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html
>
> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
> Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit) 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911_item1/P5.html
> Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia; 
> Mats - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html
> Francisco -  Sept. 25 1867 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
> Mat - Antonio da Costa Zangao & Anna Jacintha   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869_item1/P32.html
> Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
> Mat - Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P159.html
>
> If we say that both of these couples are the same couple, then Antonio da 
> Costa, Antonio de Medeiros and Joao de Medeiros are the same person as well 
> (Manteiga and Zangao are apelidos). Maria de Jesus, Anna Jacintha, Jacinta 
> Thomazia and Anna de Jesus are also the same person. Henrique Jose de 
> Medeiros and Joaquim de Medeiros are the same person and Maria Thomazia, 
> Maria Magdalena and Maria de Jesus are also the same person. It doesn't 
> make a whole lot of sense but it doesn't make any sense any other way 
> either. Am I seeing this right? If so, how do I record this?
>
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[JR]

"Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
Mat - Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus" 

I can tell you I looked for Joaquim de Medeiros in Rosario, not there in 
the required time period. So this one is likely an error. But there is one 
other possibility. Sometimes people went to work in other villages or 
another part of the same village that is part of another freguesia. In this 
case that would be Santa Cruz da Lagoa. You have done an exhaustive search 
in Rosario, so now do a check of Santa Cruz, then you can reevaluate the 
whole body of information.  Also remember that Sebastiao de Medeiros has 
brother named Joao [Jacinto] de Medeiros cc Ana Tomasia de Jesus, 29 Sep 
1828.  This may be adding to the confusion.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1799-1832/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1799-1832_item1/P408.html

JR

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 2:39:23 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on my 
> greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A little 
> bit is an understatement)
>
> Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd 
> great grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.
>
> Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but 
> Joanna leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more 
> experience can help me make sense of this.
>
> Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose & 
> Maria Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html
>
> Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>
> I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still looking) which 
> shows d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html
>
> What I have:
> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
> Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat - 
> Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
> Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat - 
> Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html
>
> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
> Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit) 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911_item1/P5.html
> Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia; 
> Mats - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html
> Francisco -  Sept. 25 1867 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
> Mat - Antonio da Costa Zangao & Anna Jacintha   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869_item1/P32.html
> Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
> Mat - Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P159.html
>
> If we say that both of these couples are the same couple, then Antonio da 
> Costa, Antonio de Medeiros and Joao de Medeiros are the same person as well 
> (Manteiga and Zangao are apelidos). Maria de Jesus, Anna Jacintha, Jacinta 
> Thomazia and Anna de Jesus are also the same person. Henrique Jose de 
> Medeiros and Joaquim de Medeiros are the same person and Maria Thomazia, 
> Maria Magdalena and Maria de Jesus are also the same person. It doesn't 
> make a whole lot of sense but it doesn't make any sense any other way 
> either. Am I seeing this right? If so, how do I record this?
>
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age of Padrinho

[JR]

We dealt with this before. We were able to show that despite 
guidelines\rules governing age they did was most practical for a rural 
society in a remote island location, where the bishop was seldom available 
except at certain times. There were instances where godparents were under 
12 years old. And some of the children being confirmed were 9 years old or 
less. At a certain point in time as things developed, they were more strict 
with the guidelines. But even my wife was confirmed at 11 years, before the 
guideline of 13, because that was when the Bishop was due to visit. I 
believe they now have designates for the bishops that can perform the 
duties.

JR 

On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 7:41:15 PM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks to all.  Great explanation Rick--I appreciate it.
>
> Bill
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 4:01:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Frances Pimentel 
> wrote:
>>
>> *The Catholic Church requires the God Parent to be a practicing Catholic 
>> who has received the Sacrament of Confirmation. The Bishop having 
>> jurisdiction sets the age at which one can be a God Parent. Currently, in 
>> the United States, the age is 16 years old. The age at a different time in 
>> the Acores could very well have been lower. Much would depend on when a 
>> person was confirmed which was generally around 12 or 13. So to answer the 
>> question it is possible for a 13 year old to be named a Godparent.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of 
>> *Cheri 
>> Mello
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2019 4:14 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age of Padrinho
>>
>>  
>>
>> I don't know of a minimum age, but I've seen a 13 year old. I don't 
>> remember ever seeing a 5 year old. If someone has one, I am sure they will 
>> speak up. Cheri
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2019 3:11 PM, "Ângela Loura"  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's possible.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  escreveu no dia domingo, 24/03/2019 à(s) 19:45:
>>
>> Is there a minimum age for a Padrinho. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> The record shows the padrinho is the son of the baptized baby's father 
>> (the baby's half-brother).  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1844-1860_item1/P83.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> I just found this boy's baptism and he would have just turned 13 years 
>> old (born March 1841) when becoming padrinho to his half-sister.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Antonio Gomes & Maria Delphina Brasil of Topo Sao Jorge

[JR]

This is it:

http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-jorge/saojorgegenealogyorg.html

JR

On Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 9:45:48 AM UTC-4, DONNA DUTRA WOOD wrote:
>
> JR,
> Thanks so much for the translation.  What is the url for Cathy Cardoza 
> site?   Ill give that a try to see if I can go back another generation.   
> Is there any index for births so I could find additional information on 
> siblings?   Thanks.  
>
>
> On March 22, 2019, at 11:35 PM, JR > wrote:
>
>
> Record no- 3, casamentos, Feb 6- 1875
> Matriz de NS do Rozario, Villa do Topo, Concelho de Calheta, Ilha de Sao 
> Jorge
>
> Newlyweds, Jose Antonio Gomes and Maria Delfina Brasil; He is thirty three 
> years old, proprietario (property owner), single, legitimate son of Joao 
> Antonio Gomes and Barbara Joaquina natives of Sao Tiago de Ribeira Seca of 
> this island, where groom was baptised; she is 20 years old, single, 
> legitimate daughter of Antonio de Sousa Brasil and Izabel do Rozario 
> natives of this freguesia where bride was baptised and both reside. 
>
> On Cathy Cardoza site there is index of Sao Jorge marriages.
>
> JR
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 7:36:17 PM UTC-4, DONNA DUTRA WOOD wrote:
>>
>> I have finally found the marriage record (attached) for my 2nd Great 
>> Grandparents on the Sao Jorge site but need help with translating the info 
>> please.
>> Let's see if I have this basic information correct...
>> His name is Jose Antonio Gomes, son of Joao Antonio Gomes & Barbara ? 
>> who married Maria Delphina Brasil on 2/6/1875 who is the 
>> daughter of Antonio de Souza Brasil and Isabel de __?  Rodrigues 
>> maybe???
>>  
>> I believe Jose was born in April 1842 but I have so little information on 
>> them other than they immigrated sometime between 1895 and 1897 and settled 
>> in Portsmouth, Newport County, Rhode Island.
>>  
>> They had 9 children with 8 born in Sao Jorge -
>> John Antone Gomes - 3/10/1877
>> James Souza Gomes - 12/18/1880
>> James Souza Gomes, Jr. - 03/14/1881
>> Antone Souza Gomes (my great Grandfather) - 03/21/1882
>> William Souza Gomes - 11/18/1888
>> Gregory Gomes - 12/16/1889 or 12/21/1890 (conflicting dates)
>> Joaquin Gomes - 01/08/1895
>> Mary Gomes - ???
>> Enos "Amos" Gomes was born in Portsmouth, RI on 6/16/1897.  
>>  
>> I don't read Portuguese so if there is any other helpful information  
>> that I could use to track down additional relatives I would appreciate the 
>> help.
>>  
>> Many thanks,
>> Donna Dutra Wood
>>  
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Assistance with Maria do Sacramento MATEUS

[JR]

I left a reply with your first message. Now that it is clearer, the name 
appears to be Maria do Sacramento, costureira (seamstress), not Livramento 
as I first thought. Richard has the rest. But keep an eye out for 
Livramento in case you can't find Antao Camara with a Maria Sacramento in 
Bretanha. 

JR

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 7:36:24 PM UTC-4, Luis Arruda wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P257.html
> Right side of page - No. 42 ( Scotch tape visible)
>
> I am having difficulty with the following baptismal record. Was Maria born 
> on the 9th of May 1886 or baptised on that day. I believe her parents are 
> Antao da Camara and Maria do Sacramento ( is is Sacramento or Livramento?).
> Can anyone identify her grandparents? 
> Any help with names would be greatly appreciated.
> This woman is my paternal grandmother, whom we believe died in 1924 or 25.
> Thanks everyone
> Luis Arruda
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Antonio Gomes & Maria Delphina Brasil of Topo Sao Jorge

[JR]

Record no- 3, casamentos, Feb 6- 1875
Matriz de NS do Rozario, Villa do Topo, Concelho de Calheta, Ilha de Sao 
Jorge

Newlyweds, Jose Antonio Gomes and Maria Delfina Brasil; He is thirty three 
years old, proprietario (property owner), single, legitimate son of Joao 
Antonio Gomes and Barbara Joaquina natives of Sao Tiago de Ribeira Seca of 
this island, where groom was baptised; she is 20 years old, single, 
legitimate daughter of Antonio de Sousa Brasil and Izabel do Rozario 
natives of this freguesia where bride was baptised and both reside. 

On Cathy Cardoza site there is index of Sao Jorge marriages.

JR

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 7:36:17 PM UTC-4, DONNA DUTRA WOOD wrote:
>
> I have finally found the marriage record (attached) for my 2nd Great 
> Grandparents on the Sao Jorge site but need help with translating the info 
> please.
> Let's see if I have this basic information correct...
> His name is Jose Antonio Gomes, son of Joao Antonio Gomes & Barbara ? 
> who married Maria Delphina Brasil on 2/6/1875 who is the 
> daughter of Antonio de Souza Brasil and Isabel de __?  Rodrigues 
> maybe???
>  
> I believe Jose was born in April 1842 but I have so little information on 
> them other than they immigrated sometime between 1895 and 1897 and settled 
> in Portsmouth, Newport County, Rhode Island.
>  
> They had 9 children with 8 born in Sao Jorge -
> John Antone Gomes - 3/10/1877
> James Souza Gomes - 12/18/1880
> James Souza Gomes, Jr. - 03/14/1881
> Antone Souza Gomes (my great Grandfather) - 03/21/1882
> William Souza Gomes - 11/18/1888
> Gregory Gomes - 12/16/1889 or 12/21/1890 (conflicting dates)
> Joaquin Gomes - 01/08/1895
> Mary Gomes - ???
> Enos "Amos" Gomes was born in Portsmouth, RI on 6/16/1897.  
>  
> I don't read Portuguese so if there is any other helpful information  that 
> I could use to track down additional relatives I would appreciate the help.
>  
> Many thanks,
> Donna Dutra Wood
>  
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Camara family

[JR]

NS da Ajuda, Bretanha, baptismos, No-42

Mariana, born- May 12- 1903, bap- May 17- 1903, filha de Antao da Camara, 
native Sao Sebastiao de Ponta Delgada, campaneo and Vicencia de Jesus, 
native of Ajuda, Bretanha, where they married,are parishioners and reside 
in Lomba da Pacheca? (area), of this freguesia, grandson of Incognitos 
parents and granddaughter of Joaquim Miguel d' Alvernas? and Maria 
Vicencia; padrinho- Luis da Costa, married, campaneo and madrinha, 
Mathilde? Matheus, married, domestica.

Margin note: She married Joao Duarte Rapozo in Bretanha, Feb 6- 1929; 
possibly recorded Sept 18- 1973 (this entry may be because of her death, 
but it is not stated.)


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1890-1899_item1/P59.html

Bretanha casamentos, NS da Ajuda, No-11, page 6
Sept 17- 1894, Antao da Camara com Vicencia de Jesus; he is 36 years old, 
viuvo (widow) de Maria do Livramento, campaneo, native of Sao Sebastiao de 
Ponta Delgada, exposto da Camara, morador mesma freguesia  and baptised 
same; she is 33 years old, single, native, resident and baptised this 
freguesia (Ajuda), filha de Joaquim Jose de Alvernas and Maria Vicencia; 
Test- Manoel Matheus de Oliveira and Marianno Botelho

Looks like you have another marriage to search, possibly in village of 
Livramento, as that was his first wife's first name. 

JR

On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 8:23:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Frances Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *She was born on the “day 12 of the current month and year” – 12 May 1903*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com   > *On Behalf Of *Luis Arruda
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2019 9:16 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Camara family
>
>  
>
> Thank you for your expeditious reply Cheri...
>
> Luis 
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:54:20 PM UTC-4, Luis Arruda wrote:
>
> Looking for help with the date of birth...cannot make out the day or the 
> month ...and who are the godparents.
>
> I believe the father is Antao (Antonio?) da Camara and the mother is 
> Vicencia do Jesus, but who are the other people identified?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P131.html
>
> No 42 on the right.
>
>  
>
> Thank you in advance...
>
> Luis Arruda
>
>  
>
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[JR]

I have seen a few. My ancestor was baptised Bernardina and upon Quaresma, 
her name was changed to Claudina. It drove me nuts until I found her 
baptism, where priest stated on margin she changed her name to Claudina. I 
have seen perhaps three or four. Marianna and Maria Anna sometimes causes 
confusion. 

JR

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 2:19:45 PM UTC-4, Ângela Loura wrote:
>
> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only 
> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name 
> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da 
> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually 
> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's 
> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst 
> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a 
> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we 
> still haven't figured out.
> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see 
> if the authors refer anything about this. 
>
> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishso...@hotmail.com > escreveu:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao Jorge 
>> index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation thereof 
>> and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in other 
>> cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from Candelaria 
>> took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why? Who know's?
>>
>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>> Nancy Jean
>> --
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  > > on behalf of Leonor Bertoni > >
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) 
>>  
>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's 
>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be 
>> João do Rego Nicolau. 
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.  
>> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The 
>> bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if 
>> I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy > > 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would 
>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk 
>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk 
>> about a “kiss up”! LOL!  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying 
>> to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on 
>> tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just 
>> through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my 
>> tree! 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks guys,  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took 
>> her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. *
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy > > 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
>> *To:* geneal

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Jacinta maternal grandmother's name

[JR]

Felicia Pavoa, modern Pavao with accent over ao.

JR

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 7:55:45 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi all! Thanks to Cheri, I think I am back on the right track. Can someone 
> else me with the maternal grandmother's last name, I see Felicia ().
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797_item1/P324.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[JR]

Ok, I think I understand. You want to try and make links using DNA matches 
because you don't know one part of your tree. Do your known ancestors 
include anyone from Vila Franca? If you post them I may be able to help 
with that.

JR

On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Hi, right now, I’m just pulling baptismal records of all my ancestors. 
> This is while I’m reading some books on ancestry and trying to figure out 
> where to go from here. For example, my maternal grandparents and my great 
> grandparents never left the island. Once I have their baptismal, marriage 
> and death records (and those of their decendants), what do I do? Am I done 
> with them? Is there something else I can search? It seems like so little. 
> My grandfather died at sea. I know nothing about life as a fishermanmy 
> great grandmother was a foundling so I’m pretty much done my tree on her 
> side. My father’s side I know absolutely nothing about. What I’ve been 
> trying to do is connect with my DNA matches, and that seems to take me 
> everywhere! I may be doing this all wrong but, for now, it’s the only way I 
> know how, lol.
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:05 PM JR > 
> wrote:
>
>> Leonor, I am confused about who you are researching. Is it that you don't 
>> know? You seem to be all over the place when searching.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João 
>>> Joaquim ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Leonor
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[JR]

Leonor, I am confused about who you are researching. Is it that you don't 
know? You seem to be all over the place when searching.

JR

On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João 
> Joaquim ???
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>
> TIA
>
> Leonor
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello 1909-2003 Azores

[JR]

Morte is a name that can be found in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel Island. Such 
as Martins Morte and Oliveira Morte. But it may exist in other locations.

JR

On Sunday, March 17, 2019 at 1:09:29 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> (Starting this thread over, as it wasn't a fresh thread and it'll mess up 
> the system in the archives later)
>
> Repost for Karen LeFord, karenleford at gmail.com
>
> Looking for connections to family in the Azores. Very new to this shared 
> email. All 4 of my grandparents come from different Islands in the Azores.
> Surnames: Morte, Silva, Leal (Lial), Perry, Carvalho,  
> Cunha are some. There was a Irene Lorraine Mello who married my great 
> Uncle Frank Morte, which appears they married before coming to California. 
> Trying to track the Morte name. I did find some documents in Portuguese 
> showing them on Madeira my grandfather Peter Morte baptism. I would like 
> find a location of that. As i will be visiting the Azores in June 2019. Any 
> help appreciated
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information

[JR]

Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create a 
primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about 
field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, 
it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still 
use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is 
then forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for 
the answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my 
Portuguese ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or 
index, to that effect.

JR

On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Walt,
>
> My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). 
> So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. 
> The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast > 
> wrote:
>
>> I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678.  Then at know to look before that date.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira > > wrote:
>>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it 
>> would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids.  
>> During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism 
>> record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the 
>> birth date?  
>> Example:
>> Baptism Date: 25 March 1678
>> Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or  about March 1678
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Walt
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

[JR]

I am beginning to wonder if Tarrabasana is really some kind of work and not 
a nickname.

JR

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone. This came up as a suggestion from google for me but I 
> think that first letter is definitely a T. I will keep looking for more 
> records to see if anything else comes up. 
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> For those who need it in English:
>>
>> female noun
>>
>> Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA, 
>> SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Close:
>>>
>>> sa·ra·ba·ca·na 
>>> (alteração de sarabatana)
>>>
>>> substantivo feminino
>>>
>>> Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = 
>>> ESGARAVATANA, SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>>>
>>> "sarabacana", 
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks 
>>>>> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in 
>>>>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>>>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

[JR]

Close:

sa·ra·ba·ca·na 
(alteração de sarabatana)

substantivo feminino

Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = ESGARAVATANA, 
SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA

"sarabacana", 

JR

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, > wrote:
>
>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like 
>> Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona, 
>> Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello

[JR]

Have to make another correction after comparing my notes to another and 
rechecking the original. Joao Nunes is Antao Nunes. There is an @symbol 
followed by tão.

JR


On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 10:58:51 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Also, Joao Nunes was married to *Jeronima* Teixeira. The priest attempted 
> to correct the name but left impression of F.
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 10:53:48 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>>
>> Bartolomeu Barbosa married a second time to Maria Rodrigues in VFSM, June 
>> 12- 1719.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P94.html
>>
>> VFSM, page 91, bottom record
>>
>> This marriage does not mention that Bartolomeu Barbosa is viuvo de Maria 
>> de Sousa, however the only Bartolomeu Barbosa that died in Vila Franca in 
>> that time period says he left his wife Maria Rodrigues, which proves he 
>> married twice.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 5:15:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Fernando,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the chart. I will print it out and figure out which 
>>> Bartholomeu that I've merged to goof it all up. Glad you are straightening 
>>> me out.  Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 12:44 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok here is what I have for Bartholomeu 
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello

[JR]

Also, Joao Nunes was married to *Jeronima* Teixeira. The priest attempted 
to correct the name but left impression of F.

JR

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 10:53:48 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Bartolomeu Barbosa married a second time to Maria Rodrigues in VFSM, June 
> 12- 1719.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P94.html
>
> VFSM, page 91, bottom record
>
> This marriage does not mention that Bartolomeu Barbosa is viuvo de Maria 
> de Sousa, however the only Bartolomeu Barbosa that died in Vila Franca in 
> that time period says he left his wife Maria Rodrigues, which proves he 
> married twice.
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 5:15:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Fernando,
>>
>> Thanks for the chart. I will print it out and figure out which 
>> Bartholomeu that I've merged to goof it all up. Glad you are straightening 
>> me out.  Cheri
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 12:44 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok here is what I have for Bartholomeu 
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello

[JR]

Bartolomeu Barbosa married a second time to Maria Rodrigues in VFSM, June 
12- 1719.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P94.html

VFSM, page 91, bottom record

This marriage does not mention that Bartolomeu Barbosa is viuvo de Maria de 
Sousa, however the only Bartolomeu Barbosa that died in Vila Franca in that 
time period says he left his wife Maria Rodrigues, which proves he married 
twice.

JR

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 5:15:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Fernando,
>
> Thanks for the chart. I will print it out and figure out which Bartholomeu 
> that I've merged to goof it all up. Glad you are straightening me out.  
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 12:44 PM > 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok here is what I have for Bartholomeu 
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hello & Introduction

[JR]

Francisco, I hope you are aware, the two largest cities on Sao Miguel, 
Ponta Delgada and Ribeira Grande, actually have 'exposto' books. I have yet 
to see reference to any of the terms you cited. Having said that, I guess 
it is possible. But I am doubtful because after all these years of 
researching, I would think the existence of these records would have 
surfaced before now. Perhaps, if they exist, the records are not available 
because the misericordias are private institutions, not subject to public 
policies.

JR

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 11:33:42 AM UTC-5, Genealogia sem segredos 
wrote:
>
> Dear Cheri;
> The records for "expostos", in the Azores, at least in S. Miguel, are not 
> so easily accessible as in mainland Portugal. As far as I know, these 
> records are still in the archives of the municipalities and of the 
> "misericórdias". Some of these archives are not open to public. I guess it 
> will take time to have these interesting documents to be fully available 
> for the Azores. However, in what concerns the "ladies of the night" you can 
> access some records (not online though) searching the database with the 
> words "toleradas", "meretrizes" or "bailarinas" (the firs ones for 1880s to 
> 1920s; the last one for later dates like 1940s and 1950s).
> Best;
> Francisco
> ("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher) 
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello > escreveu no dia sexta, 
> 22/02/2019 à(s) 01:07:
>
>> Francisco Q,
>>
>> Exactly where are these special expostos records located in the Azores? 
>> What is the name of the record set to request? Many more expostos were 
>> baptized at the various Matriz churches than regular smaller churches. Some 
>> have separate books for them and some do not. And how does one find the 
>> records for the "ladies of the night" and what is that record set called?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 4:58 PM Genealogia sem segredos <
>> genealogia...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Leonor;
>>> Regarding your question "I would like to know if there are any records, 
>>> that you know of, for the "expostos", who raised them? Is there a database 
>>> I can look at?", the answer is Yes. However, the Azores records of the 
>>> "expostos" are not online (yet) as it happens already, for instance, with 
>>> the Porto district (where the local archive has thousands and thousands of 
>>> records online). 
>>> I should mention also that "ladies of the night" where deeply controled 
>>> by local authorities and you have personal files of all these women since 
>>> the early 1900s. From 1918 onwards you will have also photographs. 
>>> Regarding S. Miguel island, I have consulted these records myself and I can 
>>> tell you that this is very interesting stuff. Local authorities made 
>>> curious and somewhat sad remarks on these personal files.
>>> Best;
>>> Francisco Queiroz
>>> ("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Denis Meals > escreveu no dia quinta, 
>>> 14/02/2019 à(s) 18:29:
>>>
>>>> To add to this discussion, the *Dicionário de Português - Inglês, 
>>>> published in Porto, Portugal Editoria*, that I have, has the following 
>>>> definition:
>>>> "cédula, schedule; bill; note." [no cédulas listed]. This, to me, gives 
>>>> the latitude that Leonor, Cheri, and Ângela are all correct.  
>>>> Denis
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 8:58 PM Cheri Mello >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Leonor,
>>>>>
>>>>> We know how imperfect the machine translators are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angela, thanks, I'll be on the lookout for that.  Cheri
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 8:56 PM Ângela Loura >>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to add: you'll notice in some records on the CCA baptism records 
>>>>>> stating "foi-lhe passada a cédula n° 123" 
>>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello

[JR]

I think it help if  you gather some baptisms for both Francisco's to ensure 
that a mistake was not made. It will help resolve any ambiguity, one way or 
the other.

JR

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:59:23 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> I just checked my files and rechecked the original records and found there 
> are two Francisco de Sousa's, both recorded with same parental names; that 
> is Bartolomeu Barbosa pedreiro and Maria de Sousa. So perhaps an error 
> exists somewhere.
>
> Francisco de Sousa Vieira cc Iria de Melo, June 17- 1708
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P34.html
>
> This marriage makes no reference to 'pedreiros'; and I can't find a trace 
> of Vieira in the lineage of Bartolomeu Barbosa (pedreiro) and Maria de Sousa
>
> Francisco Barbosa cc Maria Ferreira de Lima, April 27- 1704.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P143.html
>
> It is interesting that this marriage references, the fathers on both sides 
> as being pedreiros, and that makes sense because they come from a line of 
> pedreiros.
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:02:17 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I called Shirley. She'll call me back after breakfast.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:00 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s great! Thanks for the marriage record. I agree the key is Iria as 
>>> it’s not a very common name. I will search for Marianna’s with a Francisco 
>>> regardless of last name and Iria. Yes, please let me know if you have this 
>>> lineage in your tree, that would be awesome.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family of Francisco da Souza and Iria de Mello

[JR]

I just checked my files and rechecked the original records and found there 
are two Francisco de Sousa's, both recorded with same parental names; that 
is Bartolomeu Barbosa pedreiro and Maria de Sousa. So perhaps an error 
exists somewhere.

Francisco de Sousa Vieira cc Iria de Melo, June 17- 1708
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P34.html

This marriage makes no reference to 'pedreiros'; and I can't find a trace 
of Vieira in the lineage of Bartolomeu Barbosa (pedreiro) and Maria de Sousa

Francisco Barbosa cc Maria Ferreira de Lima, April 27- 1704.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1670-1705_item1/P143.html

It is interesting that this marriage references, the fathers on both sides 
as being pedreiros, and that makes sense because they come from a line of 
pedreiros.

JR

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:02:17 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I called Shirley. She'll call me back after breakfast.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 10:00 AM > 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s great! Thanks for the marriage record. I agree the key is Iria as 
>> it’s not a very common name. I will search for Marianna’s with a Francisco 
>> regardless of last name and Iria. Yes, please let me know if you have this 
>> lineage in your tree, that would be awesome.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Vitorino Medeiros/Monica deJesus Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[JR]

Leonor, since you made reference to a possible inheritance, there is a 
section on the Azores site that allows one to research names regarding 
property and inventories. But the site address escapes me now. Perhaps 
someone who knows can post the address.

JR

On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Sorry, didn’t read that detail, which speaks for itself.  If the priest 
> wrote it in the record that saves you having to search any further.  The 
> accuracy I was referring to was with regard to variations in the 
> Grandparents names of the baptized.
>
>  
>
> Yes, to my knowledge the Roda Publica was set up in the City Halls, thus 
> “public”.  Initially they were left at door steps and churches.  A few 
> convents had Roda’s but as the Church was overwhelmed the City took over.  
> Books were created and each child was given a number.  You will find 
> examples of this in Sao Sebastiao, Matriz, Ponta Delgada, birth records, 
> expostos.
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1874-1874/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1874-1874_item1/P4.html
>
>  
>
> Sorry, can’t comment on family lure, which usually held some truth but if 
> the records do not state the child was claimed then the mother would not 
> have been able to take it back without the proper authorization.  Which 
> would then be appended to the child’s birth record. 
>
>  
>
> To answer you questions ‘would the Camara have any records of this 
> abandoned child at someone’s door step” - the answer is dependent of 
> the time period as noted above.
>
>  
>
> Regarding name changes; I have seen records where the same exposto started 
> off as ‘ da Camara ‘ to Camara Costa, to Costa Camara,  to Carvalho.  This 
> to me shows the personal difficulty of this individual had in identifying 
> with his own given/adopted surname.
>
>  
>
> There was no official document that could firm up surnames as the Church 
> only kept first name basis records.  Surnames at certain points were up to 
> the families or individuals to take them on.  When Civil registry took over 
> late 18th Century then the rules changed and every born child was 
> registered with a full name and surname [s]. 
>
>  
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>  
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From: *Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent: *February 14, 2019 11:59 AM
> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Vitorino Medeiros/Monica 
> deJesus Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel
>
>  
>
> That's awesome! Thank you very much. I do not think that Monica had any 
> type of identification as the baptismal record says "sem traser signal 
> algum" but, as you said, it may not be accurate. For future reference, when 
> they say "roda publica nesta freguesia", was the roda in the Camara?
>
>  
>
> One more question, my aunt's husband was also abandoned but he was left on 
> a wet nurse's doorstep. The story is that he, Carlos, was the son of a rich 
> man whom his his mom worked for. It is said that later she went and took 
> him back (when he was 2). I found Carlos' baptismal record and marriage 
> record where it shows his last name, which we assume is his mother's name. 
> However, later on it is said that Carlos' real father passed away and his 
> children found Carlos to give him some inheritance. At that point, he 
> changed his last name to match his father's.  As we know, stories change 
> and grow. Would the Camara have any records of this abandoned child since 
> he was left at someone's doorstep? For any legal name change, he would also 
> have to go through the Camara, correct? I am also aware that he may have 
> just changed his name on his children's records as they were being 
> registered.
>
>  
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>  
>
> Leonor
>
>  
>
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 11:12, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
>
> Hello Leonor,
>
>  
>
> Here's what I've learned researching similar case [s].  If Expostos were 
> not claimed there's no way of knowing who the parents were.  It is the end 
> of a line, sadly.  The reason why the names changed over time was because 
> everything was verbal and since different people may be giving the priest 
> the information, that may vary.
>
>  
>
> The record that can be relied on is the Marriage record, because all 
> information was verified and proof of birth had to be obtained.  Baptismal 
> records were not verified by the priests for Grandparents veracity. 
>
>  
>
> The record link you posted states Monica was placed in the Roda da 
> Camara.  They may have kept reco