Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My book

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hello Brian,

You are to be applauded for your work and your generosity. I am unsure how
your tree is saved, but am interested in it due to the Mendonca surname.
Would a link from it work?  It is very easy to share from Ancestry; I’m not
sure about the others.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
jessdebmendonca “at” gmail.com




On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Brian Margarit <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees?
> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my tree after 5 years of research
> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone
> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over
> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and
> photos of the source material.
>
> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro,
> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Steve,

Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com?  It is free.   I don’t know
whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it.
Your Haplogroup may be a big help.   My husband’s haplogroup is apparently
the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I
believe.

I am beginning to search Souza on Sao Miguel because I have discovered that
Luiz Souza’s son began using the surname LUIZ on his wedding records [his
father was deceased] in the mid 1800s.   I will keep you in mind.

I am interested in knowing if you are only checking those who immigrated to
the East Coast.  I ask, because DNA matches have shown me that an uncle
most likely went to Trinidad, Barbados near the same time my husbands
grandfather brought his family to Hawaii in 1898.

I hope you’re feeling better.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)

Researching:

1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii


2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi, Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland, San Leandro, and
San Jose in California





On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>
> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>
> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>
> p.8 #55
> p.20 #181, 182
> p.52 #152
> p.53 #158
> p.59 #223
> p.75 #14
> p.101 #266
> p.102 #273
> p.104 #285
>
> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this.
> I would if I could read it better.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking
>> for parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's
>> listed that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>>
>>> Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search
>>> the site you referenced, thanks.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Hi Steve,

 Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've
 done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
 naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
 guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
 few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.

 Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for
 the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got
 the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira
 between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza
 and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking
 for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html

 However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as
 Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of
 a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes.

 Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues.
 Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your
 best bet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens 
 wrote:

> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah
> 19/1 Male 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR 1870s Brazil from Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Bill.
When you say go to page 405, do you mean I should be able to see the
handwritten record?  I can't get past the typed record.  What am I doing
wrong?

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 4:57 AM  wrote:

> On the page for the link you provided there is a link to browse the film.
> Click that and navigate to image 405.  It is the record of this marriage
> very clear and legible.  It says your bride's parents are from Madeira in
> "Santa Anna" parish.
> A search of the Madeira archives at
> https://abm.madeira.gov.pt/pesquisa/baptismo/ gives this result:
>
>
>- *Data:* 1876-12-03
>- *Local:* Paróquia de Santana
>- *FILHO:* Maria
>- *Pai:* Simião Joaquim de Aguiar
>- *Mãe:* Ana de Jesus Ornelas
>- *Livro:* 6174-A
>- *Folha:* 39 v.º
>- *Obs:*
>
> There is no other baptism listed for a father with this name.  This child
> is the right age (would have been 20 in Dec 1896) and the parents' names
> and parish match the marriage record.  The name however is listed as
> "Maria" not "Anna".
>
> Hope you find this helpful.
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 7:33:42 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>>
>> Surnames: AGUIAR, de JESUS, MENDONCA
>>
>> Joao Joaquim de MENDONCA married Anna de JESUS de AGUIAR. The event took
>> place on 19 Dec 1898.  The record is in Brazil marriages:
>> São Bento, Araraquara, São Paulo, Brazil
>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XN21-QZW
>>
>>
>> The bride’s father was Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR and her mother was Anna
>> de JESUS, with no other surname (Simiao is a rare first name).   I have
>> been tracing Simiao de AGUIAR back and cannot find a Brazil birth or
>> passport record with his name.  I have had limited possibilities of AGUIAR
>> found in Santana, Madeira and in Sao Miguel.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>> jessdeb...@gmail.com
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Bill,
I have nothing to add except to tell you that you are a masterful
researcher.  The way you connect with people is a lesson in itself.
Debbie

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:58 AM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> Thank you Linda, your insight is always appreciated and helpful.  Sorry
> for the delay in responding.  You are correct that I search for an Azorean
> obit for him.  I looked through 1911 in Urzelina where he last lived and in
> Praia, Graciosa where he was born.  The DNA evidence coupled with the name
> and occupation circumstance seems very compelling.  Another coincidence is
> that the New Bedford Whaling Museum database show that the was a crew
> member on a Whaler in 1867 named Francisco Jose Cordeiro from Sao Jorge,
> Azores, whose job was "cooper".
>
> Attached are timelines of what I have for him in the Azores and what Tony
> (my New Zealand contact) provided from his records.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Linda,

This is so helpful for all of us.Thank you for the explanation and the
examples. I am going to try the João Joaquim Mendonca passports to
Brazil today, with your helpful advice.  Wish me luck!

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)

*Researching:*

*1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii*


*2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro,
California*



On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and
> vocabulary are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.
>
> ***
> Reading the Passport Lists:
>
> Headings at the top of the page are
>
> Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination
>
> The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital
> status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include
> additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.
> These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.
>
> The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport
> holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you
> will also see ditto marks such as
>
> "
> or
>
> ~ " ~
>
> or
>
> "Idem" which is Latin for "the same".
>
> It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final destination,
> such as California, or sometimes state their port of disembarkation, such
> as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any US destination page,
> just in case.
>
>
> **
>
> I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would
> be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.
>
> Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are
> all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.
>
> Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to
> Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon;
> passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da
> America pela ilha da Fayal"].
>
> Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information
> generally follows a standard format.
>
> page 101 #266:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
> rio, natural de freguesia de S.
> Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira
>
> Translation:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> 43 years [old], property owner
> native of the village of S[ao]
> Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira
>
> This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath
> "Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your
> Manuel.
>
>
> Page 8 #55:
>
> Manoel de Sousa Bor-
> ges, casado, proprietario,
> natural da freguesia das
> L?, d'esta ilha, de
> 71 annos.
>
> Manoel de Sousa Borges,
> married, property owner
> native of the village of
> L?,  of this island,
> 71 years [old].
>
> This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not
> your Manuel either.
>
> You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and
> you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US
> destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in
> age to your target Manuel de Sousa.
>
> If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look
> at them and help you to narrow the list.
>
> best of luck in your research,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>>
>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>
>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
>> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>>
>> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
>> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
>> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>>
>> p.8 #55
>> p.20 #181, 182
>> p.52 #152
>> p.53 #158
>> p.59 #223
>> p.75 #14
>> p.101 #266
>> p.102 #273
>> p.104 #285
>>
>> Working my way through the whole 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

An ossuary is where the bones of the dead (from many people) are
deposited.  It solves the space problem for burial on the islands.  Seven
years after the original burial, bones are dug up and put into the church
depository called an ossuary.  If a family wanted to continue to pay for
the burial site, they could keep the plot longer.

Debbie


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:53 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Margaret, we all need a lesson from you!  Cheri is right, Eugenia???   As I
said it over and over, I finally got to where I could sort of hear the
possibility.

Debbie



On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:21 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Orsiana (sp?) is Eugenia? OK, I really don't understand Australian
> accents. So was it something you had in your database? How did you figure
> it out? Many on this list want to learn how to do it themselves.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:00 AM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Rob,
>>
>> I have sent you some information privately and I can now confirm that I
>> have your information and that Anthony Thomas is first cousins of Joao do
>> Couto.  Their mothers are sisters whose 2nd names is Eugenia.  Maria
>> Eugenia and Claudina Eugenia.
>>
>> Margaret Vicente
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Rob Whaite 
>> *Sent: *January 3, 2020 1:28 PM
>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> I also discovered that the witness Elizabeth,(Ink is a bit blotchy) of
>> the first marriage is the bride of the second.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bit hard to read but definitely the same signature.
>>
>>
>>
>> So,there is a definite relationship here, or very good friends,one or the
>> other.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 6:37 PM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Nancy I shall be in touch
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:43 AM Nancy Couto  wrote:
>>
>> Note that Marianno Borges was a witness for both weddings. That, along
>> with the fact that Osiana (or Asiana) appears to be an uncommon name,
>> suggests that the two grooms might be related. At any rate, it’s a good
>> guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> I searched for information on the Osiana or Asiana surname and learned
>> that the name is popular in the Philippines but is also known in Mexico and
>> Uraguay and I’m sure other places as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob, I’m a Couto and I have a very distant Ancestry DNA match with
>> someone named Whaite—not you, though, and I think my match is from
>> California. I’m interested in how your search plays out. Good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana?
>> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an
>> "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document
>> to indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they
>> aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>>
>>
>> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
>> referring to.   The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in
>> the church, they went together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I
>> believe the grooms were likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use
>> Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked
>> like Asiana.I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best
>> they can.  Both used a mark to sign.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
>>
>> It is interesting that two of them are for Portugue

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I liked this list of surnames.

http://www.fernandocandido.com/portgen/portuguese-names/letter-s.html




On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:40 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good point, Cheri.  I also started looking at name ideas.   Thinking also
> the da prefix.  da Silva, etc.  did the ever use do?   That would give an o
> sound. do Sienna.   Rob, you have your work cut out for you.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:35 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana?
>> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an
>> "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
>>
>> I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document
>> to indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they
>> aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rob,
>>>
>>> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
>>> referring to.   The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in
>>> the church, they went together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I
>>> believe the grooms were likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use
>>> Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked
>>> like Asiana.I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best
>>> they can.  Both used a mark to sign.
>>>
>>> If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth
>>> records.
>>>
>>> Debbie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Cheri
>>>>
>>>> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
>>>> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the
>>>> State of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the
>>>> same place(suspicious)?
>>>>
>>>> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe
>>>> the two individuals getting married are cousins?
>>>>
>>>> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of
>>>> this surname?
>>>>
>>>> Be very interested to know.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Good point, Cheri.  I also started looking at name ideas.   Thinking also
the da prefix.  da Silva, etc.  did the ever use do?   That would give an o
sound. do Sienna.   Rob, you have your work cut out for you.

Debbie



On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:35 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Ascenção? Inacia/Ignacia? Luciana? (And they misunderstood the L?) Joana?
> Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an
> "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
>
> I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document to
> indicate cousinship between the grooms. Maybe they are and maybe they
> aren't. To avoid tunnel vision, I'd treat them as 2 distinct, unrelated men.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
>> referring to.   The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in
>> the church, they went together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I
>> believe the grooms were likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use
>> Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked
>> like Asiana.I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar.
>>
>> Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best
>> they can.  Both used a mark to sign.
>>
>> If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.
>>
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri
>>>
>>> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
>>> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the
>>> State of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the
>>> same place(suspicious)?
>>>
>>> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe
>>> the two individuals getting married are cousins?
>>>
>>> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this
>>> surname?
>>>
>>> Be very interested to know.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese names.

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi Rob,

I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
referring to.   The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in
the church, they went together to record the marriages officially.  Yes, I
believe the grooms were likely cousins.  Both mothers are reported to use
Osiana... their first names are Mary and Claudina.   One spelling looked
like Asiana.I also didn’t find a Portuguese surname that was similar.

Does anyone have name ideas?   I suspect the grooms are doing the best they
can.  Both used a mark to sign.

If you know the place the came from... Azores? ...look for birth records.

Debbie







On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:03 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi Cheri
>
> I attach a couple of Australian marriage certificates.
> It is interesting that two of them are for Portuguese people in the State
> of Victoria in 1866 .Thomas(Tomasz) and De Quite(Do Couto) and in the same
> place(suspicious)?
>
> Both their mothers have the same maiden name Osiama or similar so maybe
> the two individuals getting married are cousins?
>
> In any case have you, or anybody else for that matter ever heard of this
> surname?
>
> Be very interested to know.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Using this link that you posted previously, I was able to comment and send
copies to my senators and representative. It outlines the issue and gives
help.  Her letter has links near the bottom of the page to everywhere you
need to go to send the comment.  The government site was up and running.

Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/


 (The online *Federal Register* comment system here
 is
where she directs you to go.)

Debbie

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 8:26 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Maderia, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> The fees for the United States Naturalization records are under review and
> the new increase will cost us over $600! We have *ONE WEEK* to write and
> complain. Below are some articles.
>
> Dick Eastman's article:
>
> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>
> Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
> prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
> https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/
>
> Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, blogged about this again. She says:
>
> < USCIS — the first step that lets us know if the agency actually holds
> records about a research target — will rise from $65 to $240. And the cost
> of getting a paper record identified in that record search, such as a visa
> file, will rise from $65 to $385. So a record that, today, costs a maximum
> of $130 will cost *$625* if this rule goes into effect.
>
> And that vastly higher fee will be for records that, in many cases, should
> have already been transferred to the National Archives and so available to
> us all for much lower fees.>>
> Full article here.
> https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/12/02/fight-the-fee-hikes/
>
> Then someone (Ronnie French? Elaine Mello?) posted this.
> < said:
> "I just got an email from Reclaim the Records, and they are talking to
> their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the long term to
> release the records."
>
> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
> part of the URL). Read the information.
>
> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
> (I blended a couple of them together).
>
> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 16th! >>
>
> I'm going to keep sending this email to the list(s) every couple of days
> until December 16th! All U.S. researchers need to write in!!
>
> Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
> Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:30 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> (Cross posted to Madeira and Island Routes lists)
>>
>> Dick Eastman, as well as Judy Russell (The Legal Genealogist) wrote about
>> the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization records. The new fees are
>> ridiculous! Over $600 total!!
>>
>> Dick Eastman's article:
>>
>> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>>
>> Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
>> prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
>> https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/
>>
>> My cousin followed Judy's advice and emailed Reclaim the Records. She
>> said:
>> <> their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
>> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
>> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
>> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the long term to
>> release the records.>>
>>
>> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
>> part of the URL). Read the information.
>>
>> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
>> (I blended a couple of them together).
>>
>> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 16th!
>>
>> I'm going to keep sending this email to the list(s) every few days until
>> December 16th!
>>
>> Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
>> Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Genealogy on 20/20 last night

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

This was an amazing story.  Thanks for sharing it, Cheri.

I found her grandparent search interesting and helpful.

Deb



On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 4:31 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> This was a rerun from a year ago. 20/20 is an American investigative
> journalism news program.
>
> Cece Moore helps find the birth parents of two different individuals. I'm
> not sure if the link works outside of the United States. It's about 40
> minutes long.
> https://vimeo.com/288912882
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Happy Christmas everyone!   And whatever your holiday, I hope it is with
family.

And Celeste, if your time researching has been as enjoyable as mine, you
have already had your gift.   Enjoy a new pastime, but consider just
keeping an eye on this group.   I love reading the posts even when I’m not
actively researching.   Blessings to you.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca



On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 7:13 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Merriest of Christmases to you all
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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
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> Merry Christmas Everyone!!!
> What a wonderful group!!  much love and gratitude for everyone here
>  researching our  beloved ancestors.
>
> Maria Elena
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 4:28 PM, EMIL SILVEIRA  wrote:
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> 
> Merry Christmas and may your New Year be full of Discovery and Joy!!
>
>
> Researching: Faial, Pico, Sao Jorge, Terceira, Brazil, United States and
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Great idea, Marilyn.  What a great guy to make it public right away.   And
his reasoning is a good way to say it.

Thank you,
Debbie



On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 7:13 AM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> I really think contacting your congressmen/women will help. I sent an
> email to mine. Yesterday I heard on the radio a short blurb from him saying
> he is looking into the reason for the raise in price. He is also asking for
> an audit of that department. He stated that the fee should match the actual
> cost of the work done to obtain the requested record.
>
> I am so excited to think that by contacting my congressman might make a
> difference for many people.
>
> Marilyn
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 9:29 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gordon,
>>
>> Yes.   Everyone needs to get their response in ASAP so we can enjoy the
>> holidays.  But get friends and neighbors and family too.   It’s US records
>> and it affects all of us.  So if you are doing genealogy for your entire
>> family, make it easy for them to put in a response, too.
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 6:58 PM Gordon soares  wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri should not be carrying the heavy load on this price increase.
>>> Search a little? Then this will affect you when you want a record and this
>>> google group may not be able help you. Search a lot and you’re in for some
>>> heavy fees that will be hard to pass on to others who need your help. Get
>>> off the dime and support this google group and make your own feelings
>>> known.
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists.
>>>
>>> The deadline to squawk about the records increase has now been moved to
>>> Monday, Dec. 30th.
>>>
>>> I read an article in the Washington Post. For some who want dual
>>> citizenship, you'll need that naturalization file of your immigrant
>>> ancestor. We've discussed dual citizenship on the Azores list before. It's
>>> probably been discussed on the Madeira and IslandRoutes lists as well.
>>> Maybe you're not interested in dual citizenship today. Maybe you will be in
>>> a few years. And then you'll be paying $600 for that file.
>>>
>>> Also, all researchers should care about the issues involved, even if
>>> your research does not include these historical records. What can be done
>>> to one type of record can be done to others!
>>>
>>> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark
>>> is part of the URL). Read the information.
>>>
>>> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
>>> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
>>> (I blended a couple of them together).
>>>
>>> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 30th!
>>>
>>> Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
>>> Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 9:14 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I totally agree that we have to try and yes, if the “noise” was loud
>>>> enough in protest, we might have a hope.  I did specifically state that the
>>>> records should be available for us to personally peruse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:57 AM
>>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Sam.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once in a while, I am surprised and they DO listen. We have to TRY. If
>>>> only those records could be scanned by NARA so we could access them!
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:34 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Thanks Gordon,

Yes.   Everyone needs to get their response in ASAP so we can enjoy the
holidays.  But get friends and neighbors and family too.   It’s US records
and it affects all of us.  So if you are doing genealogy for your entire
family, make it easy for them to put in a response, too.

Debbie

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 6:58 PM Gordon soares  wrote:

> Cheri should not be carrying the heavy load on this price increase. Search
> a little? Then this will affect you when you want a record and this google
> group may not be able help you. Search a lot and you’re in for some heavy
> fees that will be hard to pass on to others who need your help. Get off the
> dime and support this google group and make your own feelings known.
> Gordon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists.
>
> The deadline to squawk about the records increase has now been moved to
> Monday, Dec. 30th.
>
> I read an article in the Washington Post. For some who want dual
> citizenship, you'll need that naturalization file of your immigrant
> ancestor. We've discussed dual citizenship on the Azores list before. It's
> probably been discussed on the Madeira and IslandRoutes lists as well.
> Maybe you're not interested in dual citizenship today. Maybe you will be in
> a few years. And then you'll be paying $600 for that file.
>
> Also, all researchers should care about the issues involved, even if your
> research does not include these historical records. What can be done to one
> type of record can be done to others!
>
> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
> part of the URL). Read the information.
>
> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
> (I blended a couple of them together).
>
> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 30th!
>
> Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
> Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 9:14 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I totally agree that we have to try and yes, if the “noise” was loud
>> enough in protest, we might have a hope.  I did specifically state that the
>> records should be available for us to personally peruse.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:57 AM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Sam.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once in a while, I am surprised and they DO listen. We have to TRY. If
>> only those records could be scanned by NARA so we could access them!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:34 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not that I think that they will listen to us but; I have submitted my
>> comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:05 PM
>> *To: *madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; islandrou...@googlegroups.com; 
>> Azores
>> Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes
>>
>>
>>
>> (Cross posted: Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)
>>
>>
>>
>> When I was 10 years old, my immigrant ancestor, who was my
>> great-grandmother, was still alive. I received a photocopy of her
>> naturalization certificate for my history project for school. Pretty cool!
>> She became a U.S. Citizen in 1956. Her husband was already deceased and I
>> was told he didn't want to become a U.S. Citizen. Or so says the family
>> story.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 1940 U.S. Federal Census tells a different story though:
>>
>> [image: cid:16ef5e356b2c42658f1]
>>
>>
>>
>> In the Citizenship column, it states that Manuel Mello has filed papers
>> (at least as of April 1940). His wife, is still listed as an Alien.
>>
>>
>>
>> Want to know how much faith I have in the USCIS finding the CORRECT
>> Manuel Mello? This much: .  Yep, that little dot. That's not much faith in
>> them finding the correct Manuel Mello for the current $65 USD. And there's
>> absolutely NO WAY I'd order it for $240. And that's just for them to LOOK
>> for it. I'd rather look myself. I would do a much better job than the
>> government employee.
>>
>>
>>
>> And what about his 2 sisters that came to America and stayed on the east
>> coast? The citizenship data is missing on the 1940 on one sister. I'd love
>> to scour the records myself to see if she naturalized or not. Wouldn't it
>> be great to access these records ourselves?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please write to Records Not Revenue and leave a comment. It takes about
>> 10 minutes. We need a ton of responses whether or not you have the
>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Cessando was the ONLY WORD ON YOUR SIDENOTE 2 that I was able to translate.
  Everyone else got more words and didn’t see the one I got.  But cease
applies to the divorce I think.  :o)

Debbie




On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 10:31 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> You are most welcome Debbie but; that thank you might need to go
> elsewhere.  I remember translating, to the best of my ability, a side note
> for you but; don’t remember translating the word cessando.  Not that my
> memory is all that great! LOL!
>
>
>
> Either way, you’re welcome,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:28 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote
> help
>
>
>
> cessando  Ceasing
>
>
>
> Sam, thank you so much for helping me this week.   I tried and only found
> cessando.   I am so glad you had better help for this side note.
>
>
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:32 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
>
>
>
> Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have the
> 1st sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31
> October 1937.  I can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death on
> 6 March 1973 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I can’t
> decipher.  I think it says something happened on the twenty something of
> November of 1953.  Is that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out what
> note #2 is saying?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Side note Sam
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

cessando  Ceasing

Sam, thank you so much for helping me this week.   I tried and only found
cessando.   I am so glad you had better help for this side note.

Debbie


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:32 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
>
>
>
> Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have the
> 1st sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31
> October 1937.  I can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death on
> 6 March 1973 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I can’t
> decipher.  I think it says something happened on the twenty something of
> November of 1953.  Is that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out what
> note #2 is saying?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Side note Sam
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

But can you see the estimate for a match?  I haven’t been able to
Debbie

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:56 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> FTDNA calls the ethnicity estimates "My Origins."
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:31 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sharon and Kathy,
>>
>> My understanding is that the people of the Iberian peninsula had contact
>> with North Africa and the countries and islands in the Mediterranean.
>> There would have been interbreeding of course.
>>
>> Using FTDNA you get the cM of the segment length of shared DNA.  I think
>> comparing the matches  from there would help give some idea of whether
>> other families have the same thing and perhaps how recent the  matches are.
>>
>>
>> Does FTDNA have a function that shows the origin countries of matches?
>> Something like Ancestries?   I haven’t found it.
>>
>> In closing, my husband‘s DNA origins keep changing and fine tuning as it
>> gets more users to compare to.   His earlier ITALIAN is gone and more
>> Iberian Peninsula is the result.   I suspect a “full” Italian would have
>> similar changes.  We haven’t found any links to the small but significant
>> bit of European he has.  His grandfather (1869-1947) born on São Miguel was
>> quite tall and does not look very Portuguese.   We thought we would find a
>> hint by now.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>>
>> Researching
>> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta
>> Delgada, later Hawaii and California
>> 2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>> The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a
>>> little bit of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to
>>> be from the Iberian Peninsula.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>> *
>>> Sent to you from my iPhone
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sharon Reif  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very
>>> much.
>>>
>>> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that
>>> link our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?
>>> My DNA shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really
>>> far back in time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern
>>> Europe (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle
>>> East (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the
>>> conquering armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with
>>> my ancestors.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help RequestedforBride's Family

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Butt in any time Sam.   Thanks to both of you for the considerable time it
took.

Deb



On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Whoops, I see now that Cheri already answered you on this.  Excuse me
> please for butting in.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent: *Monday, December 9, 2019 11:43 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help
> RequestedforBride's Family
>
>
>
> Debbie;  I see; he of he age of 23, single, peasant, legitimate son of
> Jose Luis, now dead, and Ana da Concecao, paternal grandparents, Luis de
> Sousa and Marianna de Pimentel, maternal of Antonio de Sousa and Maria da
> Concecao, I mean (digo) da Encarcecao, residents of Becodo Medonho (not at
> all sure of the spelling there) she, (the bride) of the age of 21 years,
> single, resident of Figueidas (spelling again) legitimate daughter of
> Antonio Cabral and of Theresa Julia, (women didn’t use surnames in this
> period) paternal grandparents, Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina, maternal
> Francisco de Pereira and Maria Magdelina, baptized in the parochial church
> of Our Lady of Deliverance (Nossa Senhora da Livramento), of the same place
> and he in San Rogue in the same place (in other words on the same island),
> where they were released from the last 3 lenten obligations ( the rest is
> pretty much boiler plate about them being pronounced man and wife and it
> being recorded, etc. and the witnesses names, etc.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps and hope if I’ve gone wrong with spelling or anything,
> someone more knowledgeable will correct me.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Jesse Mendonca 
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 8, 2019 8:19 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested
> forBride's Family
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have previously figured out the *groom's family *from the very complete
> family list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel.  I
> was so excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ
> surname was taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I
> have hit a stumbling block.
>
>
>
> My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help
> translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In
> trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco
> do Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a
> specific place.
>
>
>
>
>
> Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't
> tell where the* bride's family* begins or is she even included at all?  I
> felt that it may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out
> and it continues with info I can't quite get:
>
>
>
> -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
>
> -- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of
> Cabral?)
>
> -- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again,
> Cabral?)
>
> --who else is included?
>
>
>
>
>
> Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I
> correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is
> written in the priest's hand.
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a
> lot.
>
>
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
>
>
>
>
> Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
> Marriage Record
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Researching
>
> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada,
> later Hawaii and California
>
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>
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>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested for Bride's Family

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Sam and Cheri, you rock.   Granddaughter makes sense!Thank you so much.
 (The oops really helped... I’ll put that on my cheat sheet.   And I hoped
the father of the groom hadn’t died in a ghastly alley murder.)

There is a Cabral ancestor which we were looking for.

Debbie





On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:23 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Page 2:
> 1)  he of the age of twenty and three ye-
> 2) ars, (years is hyphenanted), single, worker, son legitimate of Jose Luiz
> 3) already died, and of Anna da Conceicao, grandson pa-
> 4) ternal of Luiz de Sousa and Marianna de Pimentel,
> 5) and maternal of Antonio de Sousa, and Maria da
> 6) Conceicao dig. (for digo - basically, oops, properly, I mean to say)
> Encarnacao, living on Beco
> 7) do Medonho  Umm, yeah, Google Translate says Hideous Alley.
> Hideous, Ghastly ... I'd find another street or petition to have the street
> name changed!
>
> Continuing on line 7:
> 7) do Medonho, *and she* of age of twenty and one years,
> 8) single, living on Canada das Figueidas.
>
> Your questions (you missed the "e ella" on line 7):
> -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?) YES
> -- Paternal grandDAUGHTER of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (BRIDE)
> -- Maternal grandDAUGHTER of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (BRIDE)
> --who else is included? A witness named Francisco Jeronimo Velho de Mello
> -- Am I correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like
> his name is written in the priest's hand. Correct.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:19 PM Jesse Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have previously figured out the *groom's family *from the very
>> complete family list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao
>> Miguel.  I was so excited about the names and the first indication that the
>> LUIZ surname was taken from a father's first name, that I never finished!
>> Now I have hit a stumbling block.
>>
>> My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help
>> translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In
>> trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco
>> do Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a
>> specific place.
>>
>>
>> Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't
>> tell where the* bride's family* begins or is she even included at all?
>> I felt that it may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out
>> and it continues with info I can't quite get:
>>
>> -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
>> -- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of
>> Cabral?)
>> -- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again,
>> Cabral?)
>> --who else is included?
>>
>>
>> Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I
>> correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is
>> written in the priest's hand.
>>
>> Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a
>> lot.
>>
>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>>
>>
>> Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
>> Marriage Record
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Researching
>> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta
>> Delgada, later Hawaii and California
>> 2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo
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>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Sharon and Kathy,

My understanding is that the people of the Iberian peninsula had contact
with North Africa and the countries and islands in the Mediterranean.
There would have been interbreeding of course.

Using FTDNA you get the cM of the segment length of shared DNA.  I think
comparing the matches  from there would help give some idea of whether
other families have the same thing and perhaps how recent the  matches are.


Does FTDNA have a function that shows the origin countries of matches?
Something like Ancestries?   I haven’t found it.

In closing, my husband‘s DNA origins keep changing and fine tuning as it
gets more users to compare to.   His earlier ITALIAN is gone and more
Iberian Peninsula is the result.   I suspect a “full” Italian would have
similar changes.  We haven’t found any links to the small but significant
bit of European he has.  His grandfather (1869-1947) born on São Miguel was
quite tall and does not look very Portuguese.   We thought we would find a
hint by now.

Your thoughts?

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

Researching
1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada,
later Hawaii and California
2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo



On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Sharon
>
> The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a little
> bit of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to be from
> the Iberian Peninsula.
>
> Kathy
>
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> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sharon Reif  wrote:
>
> 
> Hello all,
>
> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very
> much.
>
> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that
> link our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?
> My DNA shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really
> far back in time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern
> Europe (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle
> East (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the
> conquering armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with
> my ancestors.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA question to ponder

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

E. Sharp,

I’m with you, at 64!   The breakdown isn’t quite as simple as that when you
are half if your parent’s DNA doesn’t come from a 100% parent.My
husband shows about 87%.  Our 4 kids ended up battling over who was the
MOST Portuguese. The one who looks most like him with the most shared
personality traits actually had less than her sister!   It all depends on
how her dad’s DNA recombined onto the X chromosome she received.

That doesn’t help on your question.I suspect that it would depend on
the number of total cM shared AND the length of the longest shared strand.
The shared lengths decrease over generations from the way DNA is passed.
Ancestry doesn’t give longest length.

Did your show ever give an answer?

Debbie
PS- I get testy if Starbucks writes Debra on my cup, so I pronounce it
Deb-OOO-rah when I order!

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 1:02 AM E. Sharp  wrote:

> At 83 I try.   Sorry Cheri.
> “E”
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:24 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Who is Cheryl?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:26 PM E. Sharp  wrote:
>
>> Cheryl and others.  Here is something to ponder.I will use Cheryl as
>> an example as I believe her dad was half Portuguese and her mom none.  If
>> her dad is half, Cheryl would be 1/4?? Portuguese, assuming all of the
>> following married non Portuguese,  if Cheryl had a child, it would be 1/8??
>> Portuguese, if that child had a child it would be 1/16?? Portuguese...at
>> what point would Portuguese be eliminated from showing up any DNA??
>>
>> Watching an interesting sort of gnome  program and wondered about this.
>>
>> “E”
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: RootsMagic (genealogy software) Holiday Deal

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Cheri,

The troubleshooting ideas are fabulous. That’s what we needed to evaluate
the tree programs correctly from someone who’s tried the programs.   Thank
you so much, you are the expert!

Debbie



On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:11 PM lunamarc  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
> Great Idea. I do use RootsMagic at the moment but will sure give the other
> a try and see how it handles and what features I get in comparison. Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:55:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I don't use either one, although I own both (because of being a DNA
>> admin).
>>
>> My recommendation is to download both Legacy Family Tree (Standard) and
>> RootsMagic (Essentials) and play around with both. Put in yourself, your
>> parents, your grands. Make a mistake and marry yourself to your grandparent
>> and see how it handles it. Have your grandparent die before they were born
>> and see how the program handles it. Type in really long place names (Vila
>> Franca do Campo, Sao Miguel island, Azores) and see how it handles it. Just
>> play around with them and go with the one that seems to grab you, that you
>> like best.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 7:46 PM lunamarc  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you like Legacy better? Which do you use?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 12:20:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 RootMagic, a fully-featured genealogy software, is having their holiday
 deal, starting today through December 24th. It's a bundle for $30 USD.

 Not sure about RootsMagic (RM)? Try their limited-featured version,
 called Essentials here: https://www.rootsmagic.com/essentials/

 Here's the difference between the Essentials and the fully-featured RM:
 http://www.rootsmagic.com/RootsMagic/Features.aspx

 Here's screenshots, etc:
 http://www.rootsmagic.com/RootsMagic/Features.aspx

 If you like it, the holiday deal is here:
 https://rootsmagic.com/holidayoffer/

 I don't use RootsMagic. It's not the program for me. The program for
 you is the one you like the best. So if you are not happy with your current
 genealogy software, take a look at RM.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Plus you can’t be 33% of your dad is only 12% Iberian, lol.   Your chart is
crazy.

Is the French possibly because of the Flemish?   Jesse had previously been
tagged as more French.

All 4 of his own grandparents immigrated to Hawaii from either São Miguel
or Madeira, yet he is about 15-20% other.   He has shown to be 3-5%
Ashkenazi on several estimates with Ancestry and FTDNA.

ITS FASCINATING!

Debbie



On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 5:13 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Ancestry uses trees for the "spot on" analysis. Imagine the poor person
> who has a poorly researched tree and everyone copies without verification?
> And they are on the wrong island(s)? People move around, so pinpointing a
> location is going to be close to impossible with DNA.
>
> My dad is 50% Azorean (his paternal grandparents came from there).
> Therefore, I am 25%. My mother has no Portuguese in her whatsoever. She has
> long lines in the U.S. and based on the surnames, she's heavy English,
> Irish, and Scot.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> My dad does get readings from Africa, probably due to the Moors and all
> that history. His French may be misread stuff from the Roman Empire, such
> as the Franks.
>
> I find FTDNA's 33% Iberian really funny because I'm only 25%. Oh well,
> we'll see what the next update holds.
>
> In the meantime, I'm going to work my matches and figure out connections
> that I didn't have before. That's where the whole meat of this is at right
> now.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:20 PM 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including
>> correctly identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>>
>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
>> figure.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Rob W,
>>
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>
>> Here are the join instructions:
>>
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>> it's just some wild guesses.
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
>>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
>>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
>>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
>>> Coyte or something similar
>>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
>>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
>>> Australia before that war began.
>>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
>>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
>>> very poor English.
>>>
>>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
>>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
>>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>>
>>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of
>>> them have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know
>>> how common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
>>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>>
>>> I know this is a bit long 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Thanks Cheri, for the info.  My husband’s Y-37 turned out to be the most
common, R-M269.  I haven’t figured out how it is helpful, yet.


FTDNA got my husband’s locations correct, too.  Azores, São  Miguel and
Madeira.   It also listed Guyana as a diaspora possibility, but not São
Paulo Brazil— maybe they weren’t there long enough to establish a line
there.  I was sorry locations weren’t listed a year ago when I was totally
lost, lol.   But it would have ruined the satisfaction of finding São Roque
on São Miguel, I guess.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca



On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:35 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> There's DNA tests and then there are components to the DNA tests. The DNA
> tests aren't too hard to differentiate:
>
> 23 and Me: Autosomal only.
> AncestryDNA: Autosomal only.
> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA): Y-DNA, mtDNA, and Autosomal DNA.
> Living DNA: Autosomal only.
> My Heritage: Autosomal only.
>
> All companies offer autosomal. Only FTDNA offers Y-DNA and mtDNA (out of
> the major DNA companies for genealogy, that is).
>
> Y-DNA traces a man's strict paternal line (his father's father's father's
> father line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a genealogy time
> frame, one needs to purchase 37, 67, or 111 markers. There's also Big Y-700
> which can place you on the tree of mankind. It's more anthropological in
> nature. It is beyond the paper trail. They hope is to connect beyond the
> paper trail and meet where surnames left off. I've seen lots of talk with
> new branches discovered for the tree of mankind. I haven't seen a genealogy
> success story yet with Big Y.
>
> mtDNA traces anyone's strict maternal line (their mother's mother's
> mother's mother line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a
> genealogy time frame, one needs to purchase the Full Mitochondrial Sequence
> test. Once the database reaches critical mass, about half of the matches
> may be in a genealogical time frame. It is best used in conjunction with
> another researcher in trying to prove a line. It's a little harder to use
> on its own. It can be played off of the autosomal (Family Finder) in some
> cases.
>
> Autosomal DNA (FTDNA calls this its Family Finder test). This test covers
> the DNA of ALL ancestral lines back about 200 years before the birth of the
> testee. So if one was born in 1950, for example, that person has DNA in
> them back to 1750. You can get matches across all lines with this test. If
> I'm not mistaken, only 23 and Me, FTDNA, and My Heritage have the X
> matching component. All companies do have an ethnicity ESTIMATE as one
> component to their autosomal test. They run your DNA against their
> population samples - all of which are woefully inadequate. They've only
> begun to touch the surface of this part of the DNA. And no, the companies
> aren't going to share their population samples. Major car manufactures
> don't share their carburetors. One cannot put a Honda carburetor into a
> Ford car. It doesn't work that way. They each develop their own and so it
> is with the population samples for DNA.
>
> So use the ethnicity ESTIMATES as cocktail party conversation this holiday
> season while you toast with a nice glass of vinho!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:47 PM E. Sharp  wrote:
>
>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
>> figure.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Rob W,
>>
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>
>> Here are the join instructions:
>>
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>> it's just some wild guesses.
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

So glad to hear this Rosemarie!  I’ll get my registration in.  Love the
location!

Debbie


On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:27 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
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> Hi All,
> Just wanted to let you all know that I will be presenting a two hour
> Portuguese Research class as the DAR Ancestor Round-up on Jan 25, 2002 in
> Seaside CA. I've attached the Class Schedule and also the Flyer. If you
> plan to attend, please let me know as they have placed me in a small room
> so if I have 20 or more they will move us to a larger room!
> The Keynote speaker is the librarian for the California State Library.
> Thanks and hope to see some of you there.
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Last ditch effort

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi Brian,

As Cheri said, Family Finder on FTDNA.com let’s you upload your My heritage
DNA for free.   Start there because you’ll increase your matches that may
have only tested on Ancestry and 23andMe, etc.

I haven’t figured out which of my family members’s DNA records I should pay
the $19 to unlock  extra services, but that is a great deal— it will be my
European dad or myself, I think.   (My husband is from São Miguel and we
paid for the full program for him.)

It is a great resource.

Deb



On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:41 PM Brian Margarit <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I actually just did the MyHeritage one last week.  Is the Familyfinder a
> better option?
>
> On Monday, 18 November 2019 13:46:36 UTC-5, Brian Margarit wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is allowed, but I'm sort of at the end of my rope on
>> this search.  I've been trying for years, but a combination of my terrible
>> reading of records and a lack of information have got me to this point.  My
>> great-grandmother was an unmarried domestic worker who had 5 children out
>> of wedlock, so it's been tough.  Here's what I have.  Anything highlighted
>> is oral family history.
>>
>> Maria De Lurdes Dias
>> June 5, 1906 - 1947
>> Born: Urzelina (Or Ribiera Grande/or Seca)
>> Occupation: Housekeeper
>> Children: Helena (1927) Laurentino (1929), Ilda (1930), Fernando (1931),
>> Raul (1947)
>> Buried: Sao Mateus Churchyard
>>
>> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias, Josefina Dias (Victorino)
>>
>> Worked for Jaime Noronha Soares, Urzelina.
>>
>> Anything at all would be amazing.  She's the reason I started this years
>> ago, and is easily both the most difficult and most important person in
>> it.  Also, anything on Laurentino would also help.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Wonderful thread and discussion everyone.  I have been so impressed with
the literacy and skills that are being shown through this search back in
time for my husbands ancestors from São Miguel and Madeira.

D


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> An interview about 'mestras':  http://portocanal.sapo.pt/noticia/163588/
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s)
> 21:25:
>
>> Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft
>> too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just
>>> crafts.  Simply because I grew up with the term.  My Mom and Grandmother’s
>>> teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts.
>>>
>>> The term is also used in English schools.  The Principal of the School
>>> was the Head Master.  Why do you think that is?
>>>
>>> Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated
>>> terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for
>>> *1870-1879*.  If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it
>>> not be 72 years later?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education.
>>>
>>>
>>> mestra
>>> Significado de Mestra
>>>
>>> substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra
>>> demeninhos(as)"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
>>> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
>>> then,
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
>>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
>>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>>>
>>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>>> classes did not exist back then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret v.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>>> meninhos(as)"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>>> teacher (feminine).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure
>>> out if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is
>>> someone who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone
>>> who went to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used
>>> for a person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers
>>> can shed more light on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's
>>> in charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a
>>> girls' principal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi group!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It
>>> states that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or
>>> just girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
>>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
>>> assuming mestra means teacher.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
>>> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am new to this group, so excited to have found this

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

This naming of the women issue is why it is so helpful to have the
baptismal and marriage records.   Women generally had their first name and
a religious name, but didn’t use their father’s surname.  So Thera are tons
of Anna de Jesus or Maria da Conceçao names out there.

Here is a list from Wikipedia of names added to Maria:

*Religious predicates* (often honouring one of the Virgin Mary's
denominations):

   - Catholic devotion festivities: Maria da Conceição (referring to Our
   Lady of Conception), Maria das Dores (Our Lady of Sorrows), Maria da
   Assunção (Assumption of Mary
   ), Maria da
   Natividade (Nativity of Mary
   ).
   - A place of a Marian apparition
   : Maria de Fátima(
   Fátima ), Maria
   de Lurdes (Lourdes 
   ), Maria de la Salete (La Salette
   ), Maria
   Aparecida (common in Brazil, after Aparecida
   ), Maria Nazaré(
   Nazareth ).
   - A virtue or a nature element (many of which have lost religious
   associations nowadays): Maria do Céu (Heaven
    or Sky
   ), Maria da Luz(Light
   ), Maria do Mar (Sea
   ), Maria da Graça(Grace
   ).
   - The name of a saint: Maria de São José (after Saint Joseph
   ).


I found my Anna de Jesus on her marriage record listing her fathers
surname, Aguiar.

Debbie

Researching:

1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii


2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other places); Sao
Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro, California

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:22 PM Antoinette Lima 
wrote:

> Thank you again Bill, Yes the birth and death dates are very wrong but
> according to the Cemetery where she is buried the says date should have
> been 1952, so they also have noted that difference too.
>
> I do have a question that perhaps you have the answer to. Virginia, on her
> immigration papers and my father's birth certificate she lists her last
> name as Conceicao and according to other documents including her birth
> certificate it is Machado..is there a reason for that?
>
> Very confusing.
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:57 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Joe, I guess I didn't go back far enough.  Parents names on
>> this baptism match the parents name on her 1951 California Death Index
>> listing (though he date of birth on the death index is way off, as often
>> seems to be the case)
>>
>> Here is link to the record Joe provided:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P151.html
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-7, joe m wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is Virgina's birth in Ribeirinha
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:36 AM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Toni and welcome to the group. I took a quick look and found some
 things that might help get you started.

 I believe this is your grand parents passport log entries when they
 left Terceira


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P127.html
 (#589 and #590 on right side)


 #589 confirms that this João Barcelos Lima is from São Mateus and I was
 able to find his baptism:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899_item1/P122.html
 (#36 bottom right continuing on next page)


 Passport #590 says his wife Virginia Conceição de Lima is from
 Ribeirinha.  Unfortunately after a quick scan I did not find a Virginia
 baptized in Ribeirinha around that time frame (that doesn't mean it is not
 there; I could have missed it)


 This couple, along with their first child Maria, arrived in Providence
 aboard the SS Roma on 1 Feb 1920 to join his father Joao Lima at 77
 Davis Street
 
 in New Bedford and last lived in São Mateus where their contact was his
 mother Maria do Amparo. They had a few more kids in New Bedford and by the
 1940 census were living in Santa Clara, California.  If you have
 Ancestry.com or can visit a library to access it there 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am new to this group, so excited to have found this

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Bill,
I am in awe of both your ability to ferret these out and your willingness
to help new searchers.  You made it possible to get me started last year
and I am so grateful for that.  Thank you again.

Debbie



On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 3:36 AM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> Hello Toni and welcome to the group. I took a quick look and found some
> things that might help get you started.
>
> I believe this is your grand parents passport log entries when they left
> Terceira
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P127.html
> (#589 and #590 on right side)
>
>
> #589 confirms that this João Barcelos Lima is from São Mateus and I was
> able to find his baptism:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1890-1899_item1/P122.html
> (#36 bottom right continuing on next page)
>
>
> Passport #590 says his wife Virginia Conceição de Lima is from
> Ribeirinha.  Unfortunately after a quick scan I did not find a Virginia
> baptized in Ribeirinha around that time frame (that doesn't mean it is not
> there; I could have missed it)
>
>
> This couple, along with their first child Maria, arrived in Providence
> aboard the SS Roma on 1 Feb 1920 to join his father Joao Lima at 77 Davis
> Street
> 
> in New Bedford and last lived in São Mateus where their contact was his
> mother Maria do Amparo. They had a few more kids in New Bedford and by the
> 1940 census were living in Santa Clara, California.  If you have
> Ancestry.com or can visit a library to access it there is much more
> information on this couple.
>
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 8:08:41 PM UTC-7, Toni Lima wrote:
>>
>> I am researching my Grand parents Joao (John) Barcelos Lima and his wife
>> Virginia Conceicao. They immigrated from the island of Terceira to the
>> United States in 1920 settled in New Bedford and moved to Santa Clara,
>> California some time in the 1930s. I believe they were from Sao Mateus but
>> i am so new to this I am not sure how to proceed. Any assistance would be
>> wonderful.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bettencourt name

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I have a Luis Souza’s son change his Surname to Luiz/Luis in the mid 1800s
on São Miguel.  From the Ponta Delgada area of San Miguel in the town of
São Roque  ( I believe the town was previously called something else). The
Souzas went back generations there.

Debbie

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com) Researching:
1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii

2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro,
California




On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:32 PM 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Is there a known location on San Miguel island for a Bettencourt line?
>
> I am trying to narrow down searching without much information to begin
> with for someone. I would like to get her started on her journey.  A Maria
> Souza, (da Sousa?)  born 18 or 19 March 1895 on San Miguel. Mother of Maria
> is a Bettencourt.
>
> Thanks all.I know it's a lot to ask.
>
> Lillian
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New To Group - Researching my Terceira Lines: Ferreira, Coehlo de Melo, Corvelo (Terra Cha), Alves de Azevedo, Cardoso Toste (Riberinha), Ferreira de Lima (Porto Judeu)

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

One of the best things about Family Tree DNA is that you can upload DNA
from any site for free.  To open more services it costs only $19.   I only
paid for the extra on the person I needed more info from.

After doing some major searching for US ancestors, I found that my siblings
and my parents and I each have snippets of DNA that have more or less in
common with  different known ancestors.  Knowing that has helped me search
More effectively with an adopted DNA cousin for which of my deceased
relatives is most likely her father or grandfather.  That is why I find
being connected to multiple sites is a must when finding Azores matches.

Debbie



On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:03 PM Cecilia Lopes 
wrote:

> Thanks, Cherri-
>
> I tested through 23andMe & Family Tree DNA, so have those two covered.  I
> had my brother test through Ancestry, to see what else we would pick up. I
> need to play around on MyHeritage still.
>
> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 8:26:24 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Only about 20% of people from each company upload to GedMatch, to utilize
>> their advanced tools. So 80% of people do NOT upload to GedMatch. So if you
>> want to find 100% of your matches, you have to test or transfer to the main
>> ones: Family Tree DNA, MyHeritage, AncestryDNA, and to a lesser extent,
>> 23andMe.
>>
>> I have found the most Portuguese cousins on FamilyTree DNA. That may be
>> because the company was founded in 2000 and the Azores DNA Project was
>> founded in 2005, so there's some longevity there. However, my dad has one
>> Portuguese 1st cousin on Ancestry and I think one 2C. On the American
>> branches, I've found something with all the companies.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:27 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Cecilia,
>>>
>>> Welcome: I hope you find this group as helpful as I have over the past
>>> several years.
>>>
>>> I have at least 350 years of ancestry from Ribeirinha so I thought we
>>> would match.  There are others on this list from Ribeirinha that I connect
>>> with in several ways in very tangled trees.  I did check GEDMATCH (my kit
>>> is T775218).  There are many kits that match both you and I but
>>> surprisingly, we do not match each other.
>>>
>>> My ancestral names in Ribeirinha are Dutra, Vaz Dinis, Evangelho, and
>>> Rocha (among many others).  They are mostly from Feteira and some of these
>>> lines cross between Ribeirinha and Porto Judeu parishes.
>>>
>>> Good luck on your search.
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 7:49:26 PM UTC-7, Cecilia Lopes wrote:

 Hello all,

 New to this group, and researching my lineage (both parents from
 Terceira) in regards to the family names in subject line.

 Is anyone here on GedMatch? My GedMatch number:  RE1276480
 

 Thanks.

 Cecilia (Ferreira) Lopes

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New To Group - Researching my Terceira Lines: Ferreira, Coehlo de Melo, Corvelo (Terra Cha), Alves de Azevedo, Cardoso Toste (Riberinha), Ferreira de Lima (Porto Judeu)

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Yes, to GEDMatch. My husband’s grandparents were from São Miguel and
Madeira and Brazil.I wish more people downloaded their DNA to
GEDMatch.  I also have gotten good info from FTDNA that has been the most
helpful as is this group.  I will look for your number.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

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(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com) Researching:
1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii

2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro,
California


On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:49 PM Cecilia Lopes 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> New to this group, and researching my lineage (both parents from Terceira)
> in regards to the family names in subject line.
>
> Is anyone here on GedMatch? My GedMatch number:  RE1276480
> 
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cecilia (Ferreira) Lopes
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in Salt Lake City

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I'll start saving my pennies.   It was such a worthwhile beginning last
time.  I will be ready for more advanced thinking in 2021.

Deb

PS— for those who’ve never come, shared rooms, wonderful cafeteria lunches,
and extra Ancestry privileges make this very economical and a valuable
research time together.


On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:05 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> The next Portuguese Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake
> City, Utah, will be in the SPRING, 2021. No conference will be held in 2020.
>
> The date will be announced this coming spring (2020), so you will have
> approximately a 1 year notice.
>
> Sincerely, Cheri Mell
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azores in 2020

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Does not surprise me, Cheri...tons of repeated a 11
   Q names in my ancestry search.  :)

And yes, my comment was directed to Joao the archivist.   We all owe a huge
debt to Joao of Tombo fame.   Thank you to both of you.

D

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> There are 2 Joao Venturas on this list. There's the Joao Ventura who is an
> archivist, lives on Terceira, and works in the archives in Angra. He was
> responsible for the scanning of the records a few years back (among other
> things). He has yet to respond to this thread.
>
> Then there's the Joao Ventura who is involved in computer software (I
> think), lives in Germany, and he was the guy who created Tombo.pt for us.
> He's the one that made the original post of this thread.
>
> Two different Joaos. So everyone needs to specify if they mean Joao
> Ventura, the archivist (on Terceira) or Joao Ventura, the computer guy (in
> Germany).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:48 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> João Ventura,
>>
>> This news is thrilling!  I have been so impressed by the information
>> about the people and governance of the Azores.  This conference sounds like
>> it concerns the understanding of how those cultural and political ideas
>> evolved.
>>
>> If I am allowed to ask, is this at all related to the wife of a
>> government official who was charged with the newer record keeping
>> decisions?  Will we get information regarding any changes?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>>
>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>> (jessdebmendonca at gmail.com) Researching:
>> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
>> PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala,
>> Hawaii, Hawaii
>>
>> 2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
>> places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro,
>> California
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 7:27 AM João Ventura  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> It seems that the Azores regional government will organize a genealogy
>>> conference in 2020.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/noticias/Governo+Regional+promove+encontro+internacional+de+genealogia+a%C3%A7oriana+em+2020.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-GIcdjlTanu2OZIMP08W8UCTmDmiR7E7wUA5Rr6Ihn2Fyigo4KYuIQUc
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>>> Might be a chance to finally meet some of you :)
>>>
>>> João Ventura
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azores in 2020

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

João Ventura,

This news is thrilling!  I have been so impressed by the information about
the people and governance of the Azores.  This conference sounds like it
concerns the understanding of how those cultural and political ideas
evolved.

If I am allowed to ask, is this at all related to the wife of a government
official who was charged with the newer record keeping decisions?  Will we
get information regarding any changes?

Thank you,

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com) Researching:
1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii

2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro,
California


On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 7:27 AM João Ventura  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> It seems that the Azores regional government will organize a genealogy
> conference in 2020.
>
>
> http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/noticias/Governo+Regional+promove+encontro+internacional+de+genealogia+a%C3%A7oriana+em+2020.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-GIcdjlTanu2OZIMP08W8UCTmDmiR7E7wUA5Rr6Ihn2Fyigo4KYuIQUc
>
> Might be a chance to finally meet some of you :)
>
> João Ventura
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Thank you, Rosemarie for the suggestion.  Eloise is a beautiful writer,
giving readers the flavor of life on the islands.  Her writing about the
orange groves of São Miguel was very in-depth.

I went to Rosemaries link and searched with Cadinha.  I did not find
anything about expostos, however, and will continue looking for her work.
Linda or John, are you able to locate your copies?

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca



On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but
>> never found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
>> access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
>>
>> Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this
>> site.   I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is
>> below.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Debbie
>> jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
>>> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
>>> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
>>> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
>>> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
>>> and sharp as a tack!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
>>> churches
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
>>> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
>>> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
>>> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
>>> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Miranda Raposo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
>>> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
>>> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
>>> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
>>> look when I get home.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda"
>>> and the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda"
>>> system or was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a
>>> "matrix" church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao
>>> Church in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was
>>> astounding.  So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor
>>> happened to be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage
>>> certificate and then was able to match the same number to her birth
>>> certificate.   Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the
>>> hundreds of people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I
>>> can't image what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so
>>> many were just giving up their children.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi Linda,

I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never
found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have
access to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?

Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.
  I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.

Thank you!

Debbie
jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin 
wrote:

> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
> and sharp as a tack!
>
>
>
> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
> churches
>
>
>
> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>
>
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
> look when I get home.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>
>
>
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
> giving up their children.
>
>
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Maria Sousa
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Gordon, that is so sad.  I’d love the info too.   Linda, I will try to find
her articles and share them.

 Thanks.



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:17 PM Gordon soares  wrote:

> My maternal grandfather was placed on the road
> on Sao Miguel 1868 Dec 8. I have been to the
> roda. I would appreciate knowing what
> information she has about the Roda
> Gordon Soares
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Linda Jardin 
> wrote:
>
> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this
> subject as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.
> She has written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these
> may still be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is
> interested.  I also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady
> and sharp as a tack!
>
>
>
> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the
> churches
>
>
>
> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>
>
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
> look when I get home.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>
>
>
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
> giving up their children.
>
>
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Maria Sousa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I also wondered about the amount of immigration and the expostas during
that time.  On the Portuguese Hawaiian Genealogy Facebook page  a recent
visitor to São Miguel heard this account: In approximately 1870 an envoy of
Californian orange growers visited São Miguel to learn about the successful
Azorian export business.  They brought a gift of California oranges that
unfortunately carried destructive white flies.  Entire orange groves were
decimated, making Azorian workers a prime target for Hawaiian sugar growers
to entice them to immigrateover the next 40 years.

When families couldn’t feed another child, the roda was an option that gave
the baby a chance at survival.  Nursing mothers got a monthly stipend to
take in the exposta for 7 years.  I wonder if it was common to turn in an
infant and get them back later.

Has anyone else heard of accounts like these?

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
jessdebmendonca at gmail.com

Areas of interest:
MENDONCA & AGUIAR from São Paulo, Brazil; Madeira

LUIS/LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTAL, PERREIRA from São Roque in Ponta Delgada on São
Miguel



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 2:12 PM 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies
> were given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish
> church. The information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll
> look when I get home.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and
> the "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or
> was it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix"
> church which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
>
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church
> in Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.
> So much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to
> be a number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate
> and then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.
>  Still a deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of
> people who were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image
> what was going on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just
> giving up their children.
>
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>
> Maria Sousa
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Need marriage relationship help...

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi All,

I've been doing pretty well with google translate, but this marriage record
has so many people listed and I want to be sure of the relationships and
names.  I believe this may show that the Luiz surname was taken from the
grandfather's FIRST name-- instead of his Souza surname.  What do you
think?  Thank you in advance, any help is greatly  appreciated.

Link to record #10, top left of page 12, starts bottom right on previous
page:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1860-1869/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1860-1869_item1/P26.html



Date: 10 June 1861 in Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada, Ilha de Sao Miguel

Groom: Manoel Luiz, parents are

   Jose Luiz, deceased, son of Luiz de Souza and Marianna de Pimentel

   Anna de Conceicao, daughter of Antonio de Souza and Maria de Conceicao



Bride: Maria de Gloria, parents are

   Antonio Cabral, son of Joao de Souza and Maria Joaquina

   Theresa Julia, daughter of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena


This is the first time I have found ANY surnames other than Luiz for my
husband's mother who was born in 1909   I want to make sure I am correct
about the names and relationships.

Is there any other info I am missing.  This is a longer marriage record
than I have seen so far.

Thank you for your help!

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)

Researching:
1. Luiz surname on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala,
Hawaii, Hawaii

2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro,
California

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1568 Marriage Estrela, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel; bride from Ponte de Lima, Portugal

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Congrats, Bill!  At the very beginning of settlement of the Azores they
were there.

Debbie



On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> This is kind of milestone record for me.  It is the oldest marriage record
> for my direct ancestors I have seen so far.  It is also the first record
> I've seen showing a direct ancestor coming from mainland Portugal.
>
> Does anyone know where I can find "freguesia de Santa Marinha do Carmo do
> termo de Ponte de Lima"  Tombo does not list a Santa Marinha within Ponte
> de Lima (district of Viana do Castelo).
>
> Lee Estep: If you are still on the list, this is my grandmother's direct
> line so it is for your cousin also.  Are you still working on that?
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1542-1582_item1/P41.html
>  (4th
> on right)
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

My brother in law and his family were so glad to know when I found out that
because he was born on St Hilary’s Day he got named Hilary.   I know Hilary
Jr. and Hilary Mendonca III will be so glad to know it was a common name in
the Azores, lol.  They skipped passing the name to the great grandson.  
thanks Margaret!



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:41 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Really weird.  Funny part is “Hypatia” is also a name, albeit Greek 
>
>
>
> Cheers, Cheri.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *August 13, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
>
>
>
> Yeah, I was scratching my head over your previous email :)
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day
> Hilaria.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *doreencaet...@gmail.com
> *Sent: *August 13, 2019 2:41 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
>
>
>
> Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual
> name. Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the
> page. Thanks Doreen
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in an inventario?

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Thank you, Mary!

Debbie



On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:20 PM Mary Bordi  wrote:

> See the one of the alternate meanings of “germano”.
>
>   :)
>
> Mary
>
> On Monday, August 12, 2019, Margaret Vicente 
> wrote:
>
>> You’re welcome!
>>
>>
>>
>> The file should include a page with the Court’s instructions regarding
>> the election of the Council.  In my  case the members were elected by the
>> “widow”.  She selected 3 of her husband’s brothers of which she named one
>> to be the head of Council, and the other two were her brother and the next
>> door neighbor.
>>
>>
>>
>> What Angela provided is right for that time period but, here’s the link
>> for the present Civil Code regulations of the Family Council.  It’s in
>> Portuguese.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://dre.pt/legislacao-consolidada/-/lc/106487514/201703171158/73409442/diploma/indice
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *IslandRoutes 
>> *Sent: *August 12, 2019 1:45 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in
>> aninventario?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your answers! Angela and Margaret your descriptions are
>> very helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have another question.  Who selects the conselho members?  Are there
>> elders in the family who are automatically appointed, would the widow or
>> grown children select them, or is the court the one that names them?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your help!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in aninventario?

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Vogais is the other term that was not translated correctly.   Margaret,
what does it mean?   My spellcheck changed it in my earlier email.   It
goes where the line was in the google translation.

Glad for the correct Germanos translation.   Does that term at all connect
with the similar surname that I have come across several times?

Debbie




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> You’re welcome!
>
>
>
> The file should include a page with the Court’s instructions regarding the
> election of the Council.  In my  case the members were elected by the
> “widow”.  She selected 3 of her husband’s brothers of which she named one
> to be the head of Council, and the other two were her brother and the next
> door neighbor.
>
>
>
> What Angela provided is right for that time period but, here’s the link
> for the present Civil Code regulations of the Family Council.  It’s in
> Portuguese.
>
>
>
>
> https://dre.pt/legislacao-consolidada/-/lc/106487514/201703171158/73409442/diploma/indice
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *IslandRoutes 
> *Sent: *August 12, 2019 1:45 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is a Conselho de Familia in
> aninventario?
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your answers! Angela and Margaret your descriptions are
> very helpful.
>
>
>
> I have another question.  Who selects the conselho members?  Are there
> elders in the family who are automatically appointed, would the widow or
> grown children select them, or is the court the one that names them?
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your help!
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to Find information on Simbron (Cimbron) in the Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Cheri, why doesn’t it say the husband’s occupation?

Debbie.



On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:54 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Domestic...of the home (housewife).
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:01 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, TOM.  IT IS A JOURNEY. I recently helped someone for the first time
>> on the Hawaiian Portuguese FB site.  I was so proud that I could finally
>> help someone else.
>>
>> I do have a question for everyone.  Does Domestic on a marriage record
>> after the wife’s name mean they came from that place?   I was thinking it
>> was her occupation.
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 6:19 PM Tom Simbron  wrote:
>>
>>> JR,
>>>
>>> How did you find this information so easily? Are the names indexed
>>> somewhere? I would like to start tracing more if possible.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:26 PM JR  wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Ancestors of Jose Pereira Cymbron*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Generation No. 1*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *1.*  *Jose Pereira Cymbron,* born 24 Feb 1898 in NS do
>>>> Rosario da Lagoa.  He was the son of *2. Joao Pereira Cymbron* and *3.
>>>> Maria da Gloria*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Generation No. 2*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *2.*  *Joao Pereira Cymbron,* born 28 Jul 1868 in NS do
>>>> Rosario da Lagoa.  He was the son of *4. Manuel de Medeiros Pereira*
>>>> and *5. **Vitoria** Emilia*.  He married *3. Maria da Gloria* 24 Nov
>>>> 1890 in NS do Rosario da Lagoa.
>>>>
>>>> *3.*  *Maria da Gloria,* born 21 Apr 1872 in NS do Rosario da
>>>> Lagoa.  She was the daughter of *6. Jose da Costa Rego or Teves* and *7.
>>>> Augusta Emilia de Jesus*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notes: No-27
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899_item1/P41.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Children of Joao Cymbron and Maria are:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1   i.Jose Pereira Cymbron, born 24 Feb 1898
>>>> in NS do Rosario da Lagoa.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JR
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:06:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Simbron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did somehow miss it. Thank you so much!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:43 PM Joe Matias  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,I sent your Jose's birth record here and I am not sure if you
>>>>>> missed it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:22 PM Tom Simbron 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your help. I couldn't find anything useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:53:13 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tom S,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since you have a name, date, and place, you can utilize the Azorean
>>>>>>>> Government website (CCA = Centro de Conhecimento dos Azores) to look up
>>>>>>>> your ancestor. Go through Tombo.pt to navigate. It's easier and it will
>>>>>>>> link you to the CCA: https://tombo.pt/m/lag  If you need English,
>>>>>>>> click the British flag to

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to Find information on Simbron (Cimbron) in the Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Oh, TOM.  IT IS A JOURNEY. I recently helped someone for the first time on
the Hawaiian Portuguese FB site.  I was so proud that I could finally help
someone else.

I do have a question for everyone.  Does Domestic on a marriage record
after the wife’s name mean they came from that place?   I was thinking it
was her occupation.

Debbie



On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 6:19 PM Tom Simbron  wrote:

> JR,
>
> How did you find this information so easily? Are the names indexed
> somewhere? I would like to start tracing more if possible.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:26 PM JR  wrote:
>
>> *Ancestors of Jose Pereira Cymbron*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Generation No. 1*
>>
>>
>>
>> *1.*  *Jose Pereira Cymbron,* born 24 Feb 1898 in NS do Rosario
>> da Lagoa.  He was the son of *2. Joao Pereira Cymbron* and *3. Maria da
>> Gloria*.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Generation No. 2*
>>
>>
>>
>> *2.*  *Joao Pereira Cymbron,* born 28 Jul 1868 in NS do Rosario
>> da Lagoa.  He was the son of *4. Manuel de Medeiros Pereira* and *5. *
>> *Vitoria** Emilia*.  He married *3. Maria da Gloria* 24 Nov 1890 in NS
>> do Rosario da Lagoa.
>>
>> *3.*  *Maria da Gloria,* born 21 Apr 1872 in NS do Rosario da
>> Lagoa.  She was the daughter of *6. Jose da Costa Rego or Teves* and *7.
>> Augusta Emilia de Jesus*.
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes: No-27
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899_item1/P41.html
>>
>>
>> Children of Joao Cymbron and Maria are:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1   i.Jose Pereira Cymbron, born 24 Feb 1898 in
>> NS do Rosario da Lagoa.
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:06:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Simbron wrote:
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I did somehow miss it. Thank you so much!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:43 PM Joe Matias  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tom,I sent your Jose's birth record here and I am not sure if you
 missed it.


 
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 On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:22 PM Tom Simbron  wrote:

> Thanks for your help. I couldn't find anything useful.
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:53:13 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tom S,
>>
>> Since you have a name, date, and place, you can utilize the Azorean
>> Government website (CCA = Centro de Conhecimento dos Azores) to look up
>> your ancestor. Go through Tombo.pt to navigate. It's easier and it will
>> link you to the CCA: https://tombo.pt/m/lag  If you need English,
>> click the British flag towards the upper right corner. Pick the church in
>> the left column. Then go to the baptism section and click on the record 
>> set
>> that covers 1898.
>>
>> If you need help "reading" Portuguese, the format that the records
>> follow can be found on the Azores GenWeb here (you are in the 3rd time
>> period):
>> www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/  You want the first half of the alphabet
>> in the Research aids, then the Fs for Finding your Roots. NOTE: The
>> WorldGenWeb is down at the moment.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:14 PM Tom Simbron 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I traces my Lineage back to Lagoa and I am trying to find
>>> more info on an ancestor.
>>>
>>> Jose Pereira Simbron (Cimbron)
>>> Born: 15 February 1898
>>> Lagoa, Azores
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with names on 1686 Rabo de Peixe marriage

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

We all need to make a column on our cheat sheet for new terms.

:) Debbie



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:19 AM JR  wrote:

> You will see it more often in the pre- 1750 records. Thanks to Manoel
> Cesar Furtado who taught it to me!
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 12:06:46 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen that term either! Well, we live and learn
>> everyday on this list!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:32 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting. I've never seen "whom God has taken/que Deus tem." You
>>> learn something new every day!
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:20 AM JR  wrote:
>>>
 Manoel de Souza, que Deus tem= whom God has taken, also deceased. You
 are doing very well indeed.

 JR

 On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:55:07 AM UTC-4, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> I see Manuel Barbaosa filho de Pedro Barbosa e de Maria Fernandes com
> Barbara da Sousa, filha de Manuel da Sousa  e de Maria da Silva.  It's
> good writing but I can't make out that one name.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700_item1/P33.html
>  (second
> on left)
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Can you move into the marriage records of those illegitimate children and
see who they listed as their parents?   Possibly even passports?   It seems
like they would have knowledge of the married man.

Debbie



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Hello Sandra,
>
>
>
> In order to visualize what happened I had to do a time line so I could see
> what and when.
>
> First two children: legitimate of Manuel Silveira de Brum and Genoveva
> Inacia
>
>
>
> 08-02-1869 Manuel f.o legitimo Mel Silveira de Brum e Genoveva Inacia
>
> 05-11-1871 Maria fa legitima Mel Silveira de Brum, Agricultor e Genoveva
> Inacia
>
>
>
> In between 1871 and 1874 – Manuel Silveira passed away –
>
>
>
> Genoveva continued to have children, “naturally” and of “unknown” father:
>
> 26-09-1874 Joao fo natural de Genovea inacia, viuva de
>
> 08-11-1877 Maria fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de
>
> 10-06-1880 Francisca fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de
>
>
>
> Marriage of Maria do Rosario, says “Illegitimate” daughter of Genoveva,
> viuva.   With this “qualification” the illegitimate indicates the unknown
> father was a married man, that’s where the “illegitimate” versus natural,
> were the father single, or widower.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Sandra Valine Dauer 
> *Sent: *August 3, 2019 1:15 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng
> Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)
>
>
>
> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter
> of Genoveva
>
> bottom right top left
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
>
>
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer 
> wrote:
>
> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I
> think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no
> mention of a Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after
> describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>
>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in
> California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno
> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married
> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried
> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
>
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Sandra,
>
>
>
> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM
> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I
> went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed
> as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it
> was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely
> assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of
> the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained
> incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. 
>
>
>
> Gayle
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
> wrote:
>
> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on
> the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow.
> On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five
> records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or
> she is considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra
> Valine Dauer
>
> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>
>
> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
>
>
> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
>
>
> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
>
>
> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
>
>
> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Camara, Costa Ganhadeiro in Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel island

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

It’s a case of such beautiful writing that you can’t make it out.  That’s
almost worse than too much vino!

Deb



On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:46 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I need a 2nd opinion on the maternal grandfather, 9 lines from the bottom:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1880-1884/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1880-1884_item1/P168.html
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naturalization act of June 25 1936

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Very interesting.   I wonder how many needed that form!



On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:07 PM Sandra Valine Dauer 
wrote:

> Today I learn of a new form:  Application to Take Oath of Allegiance to
> the United States under the Act of June 25, 1936, as amended, and form of
> such oath.  On Ancestry.com under California, Federal Naturalization
> Records, 1843-1999. (intermixed with Declarations)
> She had been born at Tulare California. Caroline Vierra (nee Travers) on
> July 09, 1898 married Joseph C Vierra on Sept 06 1916 at Tulare
> California.  Question 8) I lost, or believe I lost , United States
> citizenship by reason of my marriage on Sept 9, 1916 to Joseph C Vierra
> than an alien, a citizen or subject of Portugal...
> He became a citizen on Sept 28, 1928 Southern District of Southern
> California.  Oath of Renunciation and Allegiance signed May 14, 1948 by
> Caroline Vierra.
> Sandra Valine Dauer
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Groom's parents in older Altares marriage record

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

My goodness, Doreen.  This is worse than Cherie’s scribble scrabble!  The
words Cunha Coelho jump out at me, later on I see Coelho again.   And I
think he wrote at least 5 words in English.  Did they put  parent names in
in the 1600s?

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:13 AM  wrote:

> The groom is Matias Goncalves but I can not make out his parent’s names.
> The record is on the lower right side of the page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P37.html
>
> I’m wondering if it is saying that his father has the same name. I can not
> read the mother’s name except Mar….
>
> Thank you for your help in this record. Have a great day. Doreen Caetano
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Primeira d’este

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I was so hoping it meant I finally found their first child, lol. :)  I will
hunt obits, now for lists of all the children.   Thank you both for all of
the help in SLC!

Thanks.

Debbie



On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 8:19 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Cheri
>
> I’m sure you’re right but I am someone that has two Manuels, both lived,
> and had families…… Not sure if I’m the example you mentioned or not? When I
> first discovered this, I assumed the first Manuel had died. I knew the
> second Manuel had lived …. he married the sister of his oldest brother,
> Francisco, so I never researched that first Manuel. Eventually, after being
> contacted by another researcher, we realized that HER Manuel was the first
> one in the family, the one I had assumed had died. (He had changed his last
> name to Rodgers, possibly to distinguish him from his brother.) This was
> proven, by the way, with, among other things, his obituary that listed all
> his siblings, including my Francisco Pereira da Rosa! Pretty exciting and a
> reminder to all of us to keep an open mind and make no assumptions without
> proving or disproving them. Oh, also, this family had two Maria Delfinas!
> Thanks a lot, da Rosas, lol. I have never seen this in any other of my
> families with Manuels.
>
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
> ~~~
>
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2019, at 6:27 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> So if you see a Manuel, first of the name, then see a Manuel, 2nd of the
> name, the 1st one has died. Yes, someone on this list has found 2 Manuels,
> both married and had kids. However, I'd say that was pretty rare. So
> generally, the first boy has died. Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Question re: Searching Passportes

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

That’s awesome, Cheri!

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:25 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Try this:
> https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:23 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net <
> jomig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been doing a search in Passportes - Ponta Delgada.  Is there
>> somewhere to find what the Headings at the top of each column say (in
>> English)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josephine Miguel
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

So interesting, Margaret!   I knew there should be a reason.  :)


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:52 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Rosemarie,
>
>
>
> There is historical evidence as to why.  To give you a general idea:
>
>
>
> The Liberal war or The War of the Two Brothers during 1830-1832.
>
>  In 1832, the island of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria were for Miguelist’s
> [Miguel, the King’s brother] opposed King Pedro, who was in Brazil, while
> England sat in the throne of Portugal.  Upon King Pedro’s arrival on the
> island of Terceira and after winning a final battle to take control of Sao
> Miguel, the island was then flooded by the Kings’ troops from the islands
> to the West; many of these may have been given incentives by the King to
> occupy, and so they did.  They also brought over to the island their
> sweethearts, marrying them while still in the service.  For all those that
> stayed, some of their children returned to their father’s particular island
> and started the cycle all over. Also in 1832 the King Pedro, dismantled the
> religious orders and nationalized their properties and land with the intent
> to pass it on to the people, however the majority were too poor to afford
> any of it and it fell through after his death 1834.
>
>
>
> From 1800 – to 1880:  WORK
>
> 1 - There was the cultivation and great exportation of the Oranges from
> Ponta Delgada to England.  Many Açorianos from the islands to the West,
> moved to Sao Miguel occupying all kinds of services, including women.
>
> 2 – The construction of the Port of Ponta Delgada – saw another influx
>
>
>
> Many didn’t travel by their own means in cases like the Landowners with
> property locations in various islands.  Dr. Ernesto do Canto is a good
> example I can site.  A few like him would transport their ‘good hands’ back
> and forth.  Some single ones would end up marrying and started a new life
> in the respective island.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Margaret v
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *July 8, 2019 1:18 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro
> Sao Jorge
>
>
>
> I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another!
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
>
> Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great
> grandfather was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao
> Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo
> Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a
> few months later, then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I
> then lost track of him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit
> said she was still married.
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Great find, Rosemarie.   It would be interesting to figure out the reason!
Debbie

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 10:36 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> I have been proofreading the Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge Deaths for 1800--1911
> and have found many Sao Miguel people in the there. Here are a few:
> 3 Feb 1800 Mariana, hours old daugh of Antonio da Costa Venancio of S.
> Miguel & Ana Emilia de Bettencourt
> 10 Jul 1881 Francisco, 4 mos son of Jose Boaventura Pimentel & Beneranda
> de Jesus Pinheiro both of S. Miguel
> 30 Aug 1881 Margarida de Jesus, 77 years old wife of Joao Machado Pereira
> Barreios, Parents Antonio Francisco & aria de Jesus native of Sao Miguel
> 16 Mar 1882 Maria, 9 mos. dau of Victorino de Medeiros Caio Serrado &
> Libania de Jesus of S. Miguel
>
> 17 Apr 1883 Margarida, dau of Jose Ventura & Vennanda de Jesus of S. Miguel
> There are more and may be more in earlier records. I don't really know why
> these Sao Miguel people were in Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge but you might want
> to check the records!
>
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel Marriages

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I recall something about the governor’s wife taking over indexing on her
terms. Joao Ventura had the info and shared it with the recent workshop in
Escalon.  He may know more.

Debbie



On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 3:46 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just received this email with info about, I think, the Azores Govt.
> trying to raise $$ to index all of the marriages of Sao Miguel. Would a
> native speaker/reader please look at the site and tell us what is going
> on?? If they are going to do the job, there is no reason to try and get
> everyone else to do bits and pieces but I don't know what the plan really
> is?
>
> https://op.azores.gov.pt/antepropostas/todas/op-acores-2019/33-indexacao-dos-registos-de-casamento-da-ilha-de-sao-miguel?fbclid=IwAR2o0vCv2WDvEfailbj4899CqYCuWldg-0NKi7qjAZbUd56LmvBaam9KqGg
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference deadline is 2 months away

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Bob,

I’d take the Azores any day. Where wil you visit?   Luckily, I may make SLC
which thrills me.

Debbie

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 12:16 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Bob L,
>
> Maybe next time. When I negotiated with the hotel last fall, they didn't
> have the availability for our group until June. So that's the dates I had
> to pick. We try to have them about every 18 months or so, depending on the
> availability of the host hotel. This was to have been our spring one. So
> the next would be the late summer/early fall around late Aug/early Sept of
> 2020, depending on what is available at the Salt Lake Plaza Hotel. The
> announcement for the dates will be around Feb/March of next year. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 12:07 PM rml...@gmail.com 
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>> Chero, had wanted to attend this year, but we will be in the Azores then.
>> Bob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Thank you Cheri for double checking the legalities.  I’ve appreciated twice
in the past when you stopped me from making the same mistake. I’m not sure
I know what is allowed completely, but it helps that you know.

Debbie




On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 8:00 PM Gustavo Martins 
wrote:

> Please, does this book cite the name Francisco Pereira Cabral, he was a
> military officer (alferes) in the first half of the 1700s.
>
> Thank you for any info you can provide.
>
>
> Gustavo Martins
>
>
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>
> Le 22 mai 2019 à 18:35, Analytic Advantage 
> a écrit :
>
> I have a book on Urzelina/Velas history written by the Urzelina
> Sociedade.  I'll take some pictures, I should still have your email.
>
> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:37:04 UTC-5, William Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> Antonio's first wife is Antonia de Jesus and she is your ancestor (mother
>> of Francisco).  She died 10 Sep 1833 and Antonio married at least once more
>> after that.  Here is their marriage:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P81.html
>>
>> Do you have a source for Francisco José Cordeiro dying in 1887?  On Maria
>> Isabel's obit in 1901 it says she is married to him.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:31:13 AM UTC-7, Analytic Advantage wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is
>>> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in
>>> Mexico.
>>>
>>> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.
>>>
>>> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my
>>> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
>>> Wife I: Unknown
>>> Wife II: Unknown
>>> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife,
>>> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in
>>> 1852 ish
>>> Profession: Carpenter
>>>
>>> 2.
>>>
>>> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
>>> Born Almagreira,
>>> 
>>>  Santa
>>> Maria
>>> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in
>>> Urzelina
>>>
>>> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents,
>>> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>>>
>>> 3.
>>>
>>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>>> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
>>> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace
>>> (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>>>
>>> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that
>>> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in
>>> group ohotos, so you never know.
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Doreen,

Where did you locate the royal lines?  I would be interested in seeing them
if they are accurate.

Debbie.



On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:38 AM  wrote:

> My last question was not clear. When I said Wiki I mean the articles and
> the diagrams they have for the royal lines.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:02 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com
>
>
>
> I think only on Family Search's "One World Family Tree" (or whatever they
> call it) allows editing by anyone. And WikiTrees allows editing by anyone
> as well. Ancestry, My Heritage, and Geni have some type of trees managed by
> an individual. Kalani's view of Geni is worse than that of Ancestry's
> trees. I can't print what he calls them. I'll have to ask him why next time
> I see him.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:56 AM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
> Doreen, once you start merging your info with other peoples trees you lose
> control of your own information and people can edit it.
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019
> à(s) 19:37:
>
> It's user input. Same as Ancestry.com. You could put your parents as
> Popeye the Sailor and Olive Oil. People will copy it.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM  wrote:
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> Happy Mother’s Day.
>
> I’m looking into the Royal and Noble lines of Portugal. I have been
> looking at the Geni.com. I’m wondering about the accuracy of the
> information. Does anyone in the group have an opinion on this subject? I
> wanting to use it in my tree but maybe I should just copy and file it under
> personal notes. What do you think?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Doreen Caetano
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for grandparents birthplace, Azores; Traveling to Sao Miguel this week

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi Bill!

You have done this to get me started, too.  What makes it so quick for you
to get results?  Is it because you read Portuguese?  São Miguel, for
example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the
whole island?

It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is taking me months
to do.

Debbie


On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM  wrote:

> I just realized there was no Aub in 1989 so the baptism date is probably
> 28 Aug 1898
>
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:s13:27 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello Annie,
>>
>> I believe this is your grandmother's baptism that took place 28 Aub 1989
>> in Arrifes (#202 on the right side):
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-B-1890-1899_item1/P1149.html
>>
>> Birthdate: 21 Aug 1898
>> Father: João de Benevides, field worker; paternal grandparents Manuel de
>> Benevides and Maria Cabral
>> Mother, Maria Ferreira; maternal grandparents Antonio Ferreira and Maria
>> de Jesus
>> Godparents: Francisco Cordeiro Amarilho and Maria da Estrella
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:55:07 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is their passaporte listing, #291 at the bottom.  It looks like a
>>> husband, wife, and two kids (Ermalinda and Margarida), then three
>>> additional family members too old to be their kids.  The same seven people
>>> in the same order are on the manifest for the SS Commonwealth departing
>>> Ponta Delgada on 16 March. The manifest also gives the name Cabral for the
>>> first four of them.  This shows they are all from Arrifes.
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1902-1903_item1/P108.html
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-7, asil...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hello:
 My grandmother's name is Margarida Benevides Cabral. I think her
 parents were Joao Benevides Cabral and his wife Marie F. Benevides Cabral.
 They came to Boston in 1903 onn the SS Commonwealth and headed to Fall
 River, MA.
 My grandmother was born in August 1898 or 1899.

 I am traveling soon to Ponta Del Gada .

 Is there a place that I should look i.e. City Hall or elsewhere , that
 might have more information than what I can currently get on Ancestry. com?

 I'm trying to find her birth place.

 Thank you.
 Annie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Poor's Asylum, Matriz, Faial

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

This has been so interesting.   I had no idea that the Catholic Church had
such a well-used system for dealing with foundlings.

The google translate option makes this amazing!   I’m off to Joao Ventura’s
Azores Workshop this weekend and it will be a big help. (Cheri, if that
grandbaby arrives this weekend, I am in such trouble, lol.)

Debbie



On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 3:42 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Thank you
>
> Sent from my iPhones amazing!
>

> On May 2, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> No, the expostos (exposto - male or exposta-female) were the foundlings or
> abandoned babies that were left at the roda at the CHURCH. You open the
> small door on the church wall to place your offering (or baby) and spin it
> around so the baby (or offering) goes inside the church. The one I saw last
> summer had a door of about 18 inches high by about 12 inches wide. I didn't
> measure it.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 3:14 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:
>
>> Was this also the place where the Esposta makes Rhoda was
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 2, 2019, at 1:30 PM, saudade...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Thank you ladies! So, if I'm reading correctly, this place eventually
>> become the Walter Bensaude Hospital and was such when my great-grandfather
>> was there in 1948?
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and vials

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Fascinating, Cheri.

Thanks,
Debbie



On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 7:40 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Debbie Mendonca, jessdebmendonca at gmail.com
>
> <>
>
> Answer: In this case, the person tested with FTDNA. FTDNA uses swabs. You
> swab the inside of your cheek and put the swab into the vial that has the
> buffer solution. A Y-DNA test was ordered on this man a long time ago. He
> passed away.  So I messaged the powers that be at FTDNA to see if he had
> any vials left in storage. They said yes, but it would depend on how good
> he scrubbed the cells from his cheeks all those years ago. I guess he did a
> good job. There was still DNA in his vials. And his results came in today.
> So that is what I meant. Sorry, I guess it was shop talk.
>
> Cheri
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accessing newer birth, marriage, death records (1912- forward) in Pico and Faial

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Deb,

Report back about how it worked to do it yourself.

Debbie



On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:00 PM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Angela, thank you.
>
> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!*
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2019, 8:18:31 PM PDT, Ângela Loura <
> angelalo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Deb,
>
> You can go to the local office and ask for the copies. I think the fee for
> each document is 20 euros.
>
> 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no
> dia sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 01:51:
>
> Cheri,
>
> I don't want to hire someone.  I am wondering if I can go to the
> appropriate office and request a copy of records for my great grandparents,
> for example, who died after 1911.
>
> Deb
>
>
> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!ri*
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2019, 5:34:23 PM PDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> A list of researchers for hire can be found here:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/researchers-available-for.html
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:29 PM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> (Also posted on Faial Genealogy - Genealogica Faial Facebook page)
>
> Does anyone know if a person can gain access to newer birth, marriage,
> and/or death records (from 1912-present) for relatives in the Azores who
> have passed? My family is primarily from Faial, then Pico. We will be
> visiting those islands and Sao Miguel. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Deb McCabe
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Blessed Easter to all.

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 1:21 PM EMIL SILVEIRA 
wrote:

> Happy Easter to all my cousins!  Known and Unknown as of this point in my
> research.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help Materno names

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Araujo is a really common Portuguese name.  Many in Brazil as well as
Portugal—all places— use it.

Luz has started to appear in some questions about surname
Luis/Luiz/Lewis/Louis which I follow.   Luz confuses me as a last name, but
I’ve seen it as a first name.  Are the people who assume Luz is another
form of Luiz correct?

Debbie



On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> No, they are 2 different Portuguesew.  names.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:36 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes thank you.  Also could Araujo be Arruda in America?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:59 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think she wants to know if there’s an Americanized version of these
>>> names. Luz means light but I’ve never seen them translated.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 4:57 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 Liz, I don't understand your question. These are records from the
 Azores, which is part of Portugal. They have nothing to do with America,
 unless you are trying to say they emigrated to America.  Cheri

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:55 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Thx Cheri
> What or how would these be in American?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 9, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Araujo and Luz.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:29 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879_item1/P318.html
>>
>> Can someone tell me the names of maternal grandparents of Maria
>> starts on bottom left.
>> Antonio Joaquim de Aand Maria de
>>
>> Thank you
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

An excellent article, thanks George.   Very informative and answered every
one of my questions.

Debbie


On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:01 AM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Hi George,
> Thanks for this. I was going to do some research on this as well because I
> was wondering the same. I will read this when I have some time.
>
> Leonor
>
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 12:31, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting reading.  Thanks for sharing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *George Medeiros 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:11 AM
>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is a link in regards to why slave would be baptized and how common
>> was the
>>
>> practice,
>>
>>
>> https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2017/winter/feature/moldy-church-records-in-latin-america-document-the-lives-millions-slaves
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:18 AM, George Medeiros 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading
>> about the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the
>> fifteenth century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from
>> Africa out of fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought
>> with the slaves. The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once
>> baptized that person was subject to the Church’s teaching.
>>
>> A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church
>> required it to be done. George Medeiros
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious
>> as what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to
>> be baptized? Anybody know?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Debbie,
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may
>> be able to shed some light on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the
>> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
>> jessdeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on
>> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.
>> I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone
>> explain?
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an
>> adult.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *
>> leonor@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this
>> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I
>> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say
>> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any
>> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Grandees

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Tell us what the Ancestor Charts are; should we know about them?

Debbie



On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:18 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> *The Grandees* delves into the lives of the Sephardim and their historic
> accomplishments, illuminating the insulated world of these early
> Americans. ... Stephen Birmingham (1929–2015) was an American author of
> more than thirty books.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Liz Migliori 
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:56 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Grandees
>
>
>
> What is the book about
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Tish M  wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have the book The Grandees in ebook form. If so, does it
> include the Ancestor Charts?
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on
slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.
I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone
explain?
Debbie



On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Yes,** it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an
> adult.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *
> leonor.bert...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>
>
>
> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this as
> a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I
> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say
> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any
> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>
>
>
> TIA
>
> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I did delete the shared file from my google drive so no one can download it
from there.

Can you delete my entire post from this thread?  Apparently I can’t delete
myself.

Debbie




On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:08 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Please tell me how to delete my post with the list.  I had no idea I was
> breaking rules.
>
> Debbie
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 9:37 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> NO, it IS the list of students and it may NOT be shared via this list.
>> Please obtain the list from the Azores GenWeb (and read the directions on
>> how to find the student list in that file).
>> Thank you,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Sam,

I had to send the file to myself by email and then I could make a google
doc to save it.  I used my iPhone.  I could try sharing it with you and let
you save it to your computer.  Not sure whether you would need to open it
in excel or just save it as an excel file once you have it.

Debbie.
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com


On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:34 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I’m having trouble trying to download the file.  The download turns out to
> be a link to google and then nothing appears.  Can anyone tell me how to
> download the actual file?  I’m using a pc and windows 10.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 22, 2019 6:59 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List of Seminary students
>
>
>
> Everyone should take Cheri's advice and download this file to your own
> computer.
>
>
>
> Kathy
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> ~~~
>
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>
>http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
>
> ~~~
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I would VERY QUICKLY download this to your computer and keep it somewhere
> before it disappears. The Azorean Government has been having a lot of talk
> about privacy, and this document violates it. Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> Kathy, thanks for putting it on your site, that way I can't forget how to
> access the site! LOL
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 4:45 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> There has been a new link added to the Azores GenWeb. It is a list of
> seminary students that attended seminary in Angra from 1862 until 2013. 
> Information
> includes the student name, their freguesia, their parents, the age they
> were admitted to the seminary, the date admitted, and any observations.
>
>
>
> The link is titled, "Alunos do Seminário Episcopal de Angra de 1862 – 2013
> 
> *” *and can be found on this page:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/general-info/links.html
>
>
>
>
>
> When you connect to the linked file, look at the bottom of the page and
> click on the middle tab, "Registo da BPARAH-2”, for the list of students.
> The students are not only from Terceira, but could be from any of the
> islands. The page is searchable by using Control+F for Windows, or
> Command+F for Macs.
>
>
>
> Kathy Cardoza
>
> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
>
> ~~~
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

I just have to pipe up and say the Cheri would call her Maria da scribble
scrabble.  She makes this journey so human and fun.   Thank you, Cheri!

Debbie




On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:49 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html
>
>
>
> Bottom right.  This is what I see on the side note:  Maria da ??  married
> Manoel de Moura.  He’s from Nossa Senhora d’Assumpcao, Sao Pedro.
>
> They married on 27 March 1911.  Maria died on 16 February  1960.
>
>
>
> If someone with better knowledge and eye sight could take a look, it would
> be much appreciated.
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Angela, I had to get that translated.  :)

“A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from
previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion
often were not nicknames and, especially in the case of women, were even
the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical
Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana of the Rosary, to be able to appear
in its marriage like Maria of the Sacrament and without any nickname; in
his death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was
already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documentary gaps,
these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. "
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER THEIR ORIGINS -
Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Sphere of Books, page 207.




On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
> mesmo indivíduo.»
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
> página 207.
>
> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
> à(s) 14:36:
>
>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>> still haven't figured out.
>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to see
>> if the authors refer anything about this.
>>
>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>> thereof and  "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"..but, in
>>> other cases it's horribly confusingie: my great grand father from
>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva...why?
>>> Who know's?
>>>
>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>> Nancy Jean
>>> --
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Leonor Bertoni 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
>>> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa.
>>> The bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot
>>> recall if I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would
>>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk
>>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk
>>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Jacinta maternal grandmother's name

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Looks like Pavoã to me.  It is an uncommon surname that is most prevelant
in Brazil.  One resource said it is the female version of Paul.

I found this too:
Portuguese (pavão): nickname from pavão ‘peacock’, probably denoting
someone who was proud or self-important. Compare Pavon.

Debbie

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:49 PM  wrote:

> David, these folks are my 4th great grandparents. I guess we're cousins!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 21 March 2019 20:28:49 UTC-4, David Perry wrote:
>>
>> These folks, Andre and Anna are my grandparents.  Their son, Jose is
>> my ancestor.  Next in line, another Jose followed by yet another Jose and
>> finally, my grandmother Francesca.
>> David
>>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 4:55:45 PM UTC-7, leonor@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all! Thanks to Cheri, I think I am back on the right track. Can
>>> someone else me with the maternal grandmother's last name, I see Felicia
>>> ().
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797_item1/P324.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Jacinta maternal grandmother's name

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

David Perry,

In my family it’s all of the Joaquims! That we can all locate our ancestors
is absolutely amazing under these conditions!

:•)
Debbie



On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:28 PM David Perry  wrote:

> These folks, Andre and Anna are my grandparents.  Their son, Jose is
> my ancestor.  Next in line, another Jose followed by yet another Jose and
> finally, my grandmother Francesca.
> David
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 4:55:45 PM UTC-7, leonor@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all! Thanks to Cheri, I think I am back on the right track. Can
>> someone else me with the maternal grandmother's last name, I see Felicia
>> ().
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797_item1/P324.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogical Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, Tuesday, June 25 - Friday, June 28, 2019

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi Cherie,

How often do you do the Utah class?  My passion for Jesse’s ancestry
wouldn’t make sense if I miss the birth of his new descendant.   :)

Can I sign up at the last minute?   If the little guy comes early I may be
able to sneak away.  He is due on June 24th.  This Grammy wants to be in
two places at once!

Debbie



On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 4:55 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> It was posted about a month ago. Maybe you missed it or AOL ate it. LOL
> Here it is: https://t2m.io/YfiGdr8C
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 4:38 PM ':' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cherie,
>>
>> Hope all is going well.  I was just looking for a registration form for
>> the Salt Lake Conference in June.  I didn't see any.  I'd like to register,
>> please.
>>
>> Ate logo,
>>
>> Marie Pleasant   seekg...@aol.com
>>
>> In a message dated 7/12/2018 2:05:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>> gfsche...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> The Portuguese Genealogical Conference & Research Trip will be held
>> again in Salt Lake City, Utah from Tuesday, June 25 – Friday, June 28,
>> 2019. I still need to contact the Family History Library in Salt Lake to
>> arrange the computer lab. So no class itinerary or registration is out yet.
>>
>> However, you can block out the dates and reserve your room at the Salt
>> Lake Plaza Hotel (800) 366-3684 or (801) 521-0130. Tell them you are
>> with the Portuguese (or you may have to tell them Azores). The rooms are
>> around $95 USD a night (I will get the price when I get back home). There's
>> a block of 30 rooms. Half are the standard rooms at the $95 ish rate and
>> the other half are the deluxe at about $105. So early bird gets the worm.
>> If the front desk is having a hard time finding the conference, ask for
>> Rich Williams, the sales manager and he will get you in.
>>
>> Cheri Mello & Rosemarie Capodicci
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptismin1786:need another set of eyes

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

So how did it all end, y’all?   Was the baptism and birth two days
following the marriage?   I felt the dates matched, but was not sure
whether everyone came to consensus on that.



On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 8:30 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Can hardly wait for my cataract surgery!!  Sometimes everything just blurs
> out! LOL!
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Margaret Vicente 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 18, 2019 8:26 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and
> baptismin1786:need another set of eyes
>
>
>
> Me too Bill, I should have seen that.  Thank Sam.  I think I’ll stop
> reading until my eye sight gets better :)
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *bsei2...@gmail.com
> *Sent: *March 18, 2019 11:23 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism
> in1786:need another set of eyes
>
>
>
> Thank you Sam.  You are right; I inadvertently dropped the Antonio.
>
>
>
> Margaret thanks for the confirmation.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> Margaret;  I see Antonio in front of that Joao Agueda???
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent: *Monday, March 18, 2019 8:04 AM
> *To: *azores
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manadas Sao Jorge marriage and baptism
> in1786: need another set of eyes
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> 1.
>
> Groom's father you got it.  Andre Teixeira da Silveira e Lemos
>
> Bride, daughter of Joao de Aguada [Agueda]
>
>
>
> 2. Birth date 11 Jan 1786
>
>
>
> Yes, all confirmed.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 12:38 AM  wrote:
>
> I see this marriage on 9 Jan 1786
>
> Groom: Manuel Machado Teixeira, son of André Teixeira da Silveira (? e
> Lemos) and his wife Margarida de Jesus
>
> Bride: Rosa Machado de Azevedo, daughter of José (or João) (de Aguada) and
> his wife Maria do Rosario, both deceased.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1776-1831_item1/P30.html
>  (left
> side)
>
>
>
>
>
> I see the birthdate on this baptism 11 Jan 1786 (lines 4 and 5) just two
> days after his parents marriage (above); Am I seeing this right?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801/SJR-VL-MANADAS-B-1773-1801_item1/P70.html
> (lower right)
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR 1870s Brazil from Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Rosemary, I am over the moon!

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:21 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Great news, Debbie!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 10:02 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill, you’ve done it!   Thank you So much. As a note for others, on one
>> obscure record in all my searching, there was a mention of an Anna Maria de
>> Jesus.   She was christened Maria, then.  She must have been an only child,
>> then, which made the searching more difficult.   AND I FINALLY HAVE A
>> PARISH.   Thank you.  Santana was where my her grandson— my father-in-law—
>> was born and baptized after they left Brazil soon on their way to the sugar
>> plantations in Kohala, Territory of Hawaii.
>>
>> Gratefully,
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 4:57 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> On the page for the link you provided there is a link to browse the
>>> film.  Click that and navigate to image 405.  It is the record of this
>>> marriage very clear and legible.  It says your bride's parents are from
>>> Madeira in "Santa Anna" parish.
>>> A search of the Madeira archives at
>>> https://abm.madeira.gov.pt/pesquisa/baptismo/ gives this result:
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Data:* 1876-12-03
>>>- *Local:* Paróquia de Santana
>>>- *FILHO:* Maria
>>>- *Pai:* Simião Joaquim de Aguiar
>>>- *Mãe:* Ana de Jesus Ornelas
>>>- *Livro:* 6174-A
>>>- *Folha:* 39 v.º
>>>- *Obs:*
>>>
>>> There is no other baptism listed for a father with this name.  This
>>> child is the right age (would have been 20 in Dec 1896) and the parents'
>>> names and parish match the marriage record.  The name however is listed as
>>> "Maria" not "Anna".
>>>
>>> Hope you find this helpful.
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 7:33:42 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Surnames: AGUIAR, de JESUS, MENDONCA
>>>>
>>>> Joao Joaquim de MENDONCA married Anna de JESUS de AGUIAR. The event
>>>> took place on 19 Dec 1898.  The record is in Brazil marriages:
>>>> São Bento, Araraquara, São Paulo, Brazil
>>>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XN21-QZW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The bride’s father was Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR and her mother was Anna
>>>> de JESUS, with no other surname (Simiao is a rare first name).   I have
>>>> been tracing Simiao de AGUIAR back and cannot find a Brazil birth or
>>>> passport record with his name.  I have had limited possibilities of AGUIAR
>>>> found in Santana, Madeira and in Sao Miguel.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>>>> jessdeb...@gmail.com
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR 1870s Brazil from Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Bill, you’ve done it!   Thank you So much. As a note for others, on one
obscure record in all my searching, there was a mention of an Anna Maria de
Jesus.   She was christened Maria, then.  She must have been an only child,
then, which made the searching more difficult.   AND I FINALLY HAVE A
PARISH.   Thank you.  Santana was where my her grandson— my father-in-law—
was born and baptized after they left Brazil soon on their way to the sugar
plantations in Kohala, Territory of Hawaii.

Gratefully,

Debbie


On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 4:57 AM  wrote:

> On the page for the link you provided there is a link to browse the film.
> Click that and navigate to image 405.  It is the record of this marriage
> very clear and legible.  It says your bride's parents are from Madeira in
> "Santa Anna" parish.
> A search of the Madeira archives at
> https://abm.madeira.gov.pt/pesquisa/baptismo/ gives this result:
>
>
>- *Data:* 1876-12-03
>- *Local:* Paróquia de Santana
>- *FILHO:* Maria
>- *Pai:* Simião Joaquim de Aguiar
>- *Mãe:* Ana de Jesus Ornelas
>- *Livro:* 6174-A
>- *Folha:* 39 v.º
>- *Obs:*
>
> There is no other baptism listed for a father with this name.  This child
> is the right age (would have been 20 in Dec 1896) and the parents' names
> and parish match the marriage record.  The name however is listed as
> "Maria" not "Anna".
>
> Hope you find this helpful.
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 7:33:42 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>>
>> Surnames: AGUIAR, de JESUS, MENDONCA
>>
>> Joao Joaquim de MENDONCA married Anna de JESUS de AGUIAR. The event took
>> place on 19 Dec 1898.  The record is in Brazil marriages:
>> São Bento, Araraquara, São Paulo, Brazil
>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XN21-QZW
>>
>>
>> The bride’s father was Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR and her mother was Anna
>> de JESUS, with no other surname (Simiao is a rare first name).   I have
>> been tracing Simiao de AGUIAR back and cannot find a Brazil birth or
>> passport record with his name.  I have had limited possibilities of AGUIAR
>> found in Santana, Madeira and in Sao Miguel.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>> jessdeb...@gmail.com
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR 1870s Brazil from Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Surnames: AGUIAR, de JESUS, MENDONCA

Joao Joaquim de MENDONCA married Anna de JESUS de AGUIAR. The event took
place on 19 Dec 1898.  The record is in Brazil marriages:
São Bento, Araraquara, São Paulo, Brazil
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XN21-QZW


The bride’s father was Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR and her mother was Anna de
JESUS, with no other surname (Simiao is a rare first name).   I have been
tracing Simiao de AGUIAR back and cannot find a Brazil birth or passport
record with his name.  I have had limited possibilities of AGUIAR found in
Santana, Madeira and in Sao Miguel.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Assistance - Graciosa - Pedro do Conde Sodre

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hi,
I find it helpful to just type your partial translation into google
translate:

Manoel son of Pedro do Conde Sodre and of [Agada Mejeo?] Of Dona Barbara de
Mello Parochiano of [?] Living on the Victory Road on the 10th of
September, one thousand seven hundred and twenty eight, and [foy?]
Parochial of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the [...] month and year in ...

Simple, but helpful most of the time.  It has me looking harder for the
spelling of what you are unsure of because it doesn’t recognize those
either.

Debbie


On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:15 PM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Hello!
>
> I have a partial translation for this baptism (bottom right)
>

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1717-1730_item1/P154.html
>
> Partial translation:
> Manoel filho de Pedro do Conde Sodre e de [Agada Mejeo?] de Dona Barbara
> de Mello Parochiano de [?]  moradora no Caminho da Victoria nos ao em os
> dez de Setembro de mil sete centos vinte oito, e [foy?] Parochial de Nossa
> Senora de Guadalupe em os [?] de mes e anno em ...
>
> The wife's name should be (according to other sources) Catarina Antunes
> de Miranda.  What is the name of Pedro's spouse and what are the words
> before her name?  Also, I couldn't determine Manoel's birth date.
>
> I'm starting to explore earlier records hoping to find a connection from
> the Azores to the mainland.  We are planning a trip to Portugal in the
> Summer and I would really love to find where either the Conde line or the
> da Silva de Vasconcellos originated.  Any assistance is greatly appreciated!
>
> Bill Boyd
> Sacramento, California
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestrfy.com help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Sounds like a nightmare, Gordon.

Is it possible you made her a collaborator instead of a guest on your
ancestry tree?   If so, she actually could change your tree.  However,
removing her means you can take back control.   Change your password.

So many people don’t understand how varied a 4th cousin might be. To think
your tree solves hers is just crazy.  I wish there was a way to know when a
tree is obviously inaccurate as hers now is.  If you haven’t been on
Ancestry recently you don’t know that ThruLines is offering up potential
ancestor names like they are candy.   For Portuguese Ancestry, we all need
to be skeptical.   That why I am so glad to have the documents to search.

Good luck on your tree.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca




On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:06 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> I should add that, when my mother in law passed away, I tried to connect
> her tree to mine and Ancestry wouldn’t allow it. This was in January, I’m
> not sure if they changed anything with the new update.
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 6:04 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, what it sounds like is that she gave you access to her tree as
>> well, so you get a notification when she adds to her tree. This happens to
>> me as I’ve shared my tree with other family members. Ancestry does not
>> allow merging or blending of two treesonline, she may have downloaded your
>> tree and used FTM to merge it to her tree, then uploaded her tree to
>> Ancestry, but again, that would not affect your own tree, unless you gave
>> her your username and password. In your email settings, you can stop the
>> new content emails, you can also ask her to deny you access to her tree.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 5:53 PM Gordon soares  wrote:
>>
>>> I got an email from someone who found me through DNA and who is my 4th
>>> cousin. She needed some help on her tree with one of our mutual relatives
>>> and wanted some information on the individual which I had.  So I gave her
>>> access to my Ancestry tree. Subsequently I have discovered that she has
>>> taken my entire tree and connected it to that one mutual relative on her
>>> tree. Now every time she adds someone from her non-portugues family I get
>>> an email from Ancestry saying “New content has been added to your tree”.
>>> Somehow she has blended my tree into hers so that her tree is now also
>>> mine.I resent using all the work put into my tree of 17,000+ people by
>>> someone who contributed nothing to my tree and basically stole my tree of
>>> information that I believe only fits a far removed Portugues relative on
>>> her tree.  I have now blocked anyone from viewing my tree and have tried to
>>> disengage any part of mine from hers but to no avail.  Does anyone have
>>> some suggestions for me on this whole deal? I no longer use Ancestry.com
>>> and have FTM.
>>>
>>> GordonSoares
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference?

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

While they both translate to hidden, as in refuse to name; oculto
definition includes not known.   Could that be the difference?



On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:31 AM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Hi Sam,
> I have wondered about all these terms as well. I have found that when the
> priest says "adulterina" he usually also mentions a father. Someone once
> told me that it meant that the baby was conceived before marriage or the
> couple were not married at all.
>
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 12:12, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Happy Friday morning everyone;
>>
>>
>>
>> As I’ve been extracting baptisms/births, I have noticed that the same
>> priest during the same time period will sometimes use Avo incognito and
>> other times use Avo occult and on occasion simply state that it is
>> “natural  de” and the mother’s name with no mention at all of the father.
>> On only one occasion, so far, has it been stated that the mother is
>> “adulterina” (may not have spelled that correctly)
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know why it is recorded in these various ways.  I understand
>> that if you are single you are not an “adulterine” but; other than that,
>> what are the differences?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for educating me,.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Father's place of Birth

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

And Now Ancestry has all of the new possible ancestors on ThruLines.   I
can tell just by glancing at what they’ve gotten wrong by my data that the
entire list is going to muddy up the waters.  My husband’s Portuguese side
was already so hard to decipher and now comes this new”help.”

For my ancestry they are much closer to accurate.   Be careful and verify!

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca



On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:51 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> No kidding. I've also learned never to trust "hints" on Ancestry!
>
> Yes, I have now been informed on the Sandwich Islands. Thank you!
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:21, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Leonor, it does say Isla de Sandwich which is what the Hawaiian Islands
>> were known as because they were 'discovered' by the Earl of Sandwich.  The
>> Azores Islands were known as the 'Western Islands' in the USA for a long
>> time. When I was first starting to do my research I thought it meant
>> Hawaii,that's West of California, right?! Never assume, that should be
>> everones motto.
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I just searched it and it's a name that was given to Hawaii..I had
>>> never heard or seen this before.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 6 March 2019 13:55:10 UTC-5, leonor@gmail.com wrote:

 Can someone please tell me if this says "natural das Ilhas de
 Sandwich"? If so, does anybody know where that is? If not, can someone
 please correct me!

 Thanks.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1906-1911_item1/P168.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Coelho Cabral (Confusing Birth Record) Help Please Santa Maria

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Would they baptize someone after the fact?   I know of someone who is being
married that is jumping through hoops for the Catholic Church because it is
important to his future wife.

Just a thought.


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:06 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P17.html
>
>
>
> This one is very confusing.  It seems to be saying something about
> confirming him being born some thirty years earlier and that the two people
> mentioned are his parents.  I can read the various dates and the people’s
> names.  I’m just not sure about the context of it all.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help you can give,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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