RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Teaching Myself a Little Portuguese....regarding the FURTADO Family.

[Linda Norton]

I always called my grandmother VaVo. My grandfathers I never met and my
mother said they were called VaVu. Now I'm a grandmother and I have my
grandson call me VaVo and my husband VaVu. I know Avo and Avoo is correct.

My mother on the other hand had my sons call her Nana and Grandpa.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Karen Boggs
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 1:54 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Teaching Myself a Little
Portugueseregarding the FURTADO Family.

We called our great grandmother Vava and our great grandfather Voovoo  don't
know why Voo Voo because looking it up it should have been Vavoo.   Just one
of those nickname things I guess I nana, grams, granny for Grandma.

On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Shirley Allegre wrote:

> I remember people saying vavo (vavoo) for grandfather;
> and vava (vavaw) for grandmother.
> Shirley in CA
> - Original Message - From: "Pat McCoy" 
> To: "azores" 
> Cc: "Pat McCoy" 
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:33 AM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Teaching Myself a Little
Portugueseregarding the FURTADO Family.
> 
> 
> The book, "Portuguese Spinner", just arrived today and I got a better
> look at the photo of the FURTADO Family.
> 
> According to Babelfish, the Portuguese word for grandmother is:  Avo'.
> The caption of the photo on page 110 says:  Vovo'.  Babelfish could
> not help me translate Vovo'.
> 
> Can someone clarify this for me?
> 
> Thanks!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia

[Linda Norton]

No. There are a lot of Furtado's and when I have time, I'm going to make the
connection. I've been getting close with the help of Rick Pimentel, but it's
been a process for me and because of work.

I just got connected to my cousin from Ribeira Grande on FB and thrilled. I
told her to join the group since she can help and maybe connect to some
people. Her name is Dulce Borges Costa.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pat McCoy
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 6:45 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: Pat McCoy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia

Hi, Linda.

With all the different correspondences going out and coming in, I'm
not certain if I've contacted her yet.  I don't know anything about
the parents of Manoel NUNES and his wife, Ermelinda CARREIRO.

BTW, I've noticed that part of your name is FURTADO.  One the
baptismal records of Manoel's and Ermelinda's son, the names of
Caetano Moniz FURTADO and Maria do Espirito Santo FURTADO are listed.
Are those FURTADOs familiar to you, by chance?

Thanks!

Pat McCoy
====
On 12/29/11, Linda Norton  wrote:
>
>
> Pat,
>
> Have you gotten in touch with Suzanne Carreiro from the group? I know that
> Suzanne has family history on Carreiro's.
>
> My mother's cousin was married to Evaristo Carreiro who was from Ponta
> Delgada, Sao Miguel. I'm not sure if he originated from Ponta Delgada.
>
> Linda Borges Norton Furtado
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of
> Pat McCoy
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:41 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Pat McCoy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia
>
> Hi, Shirley.
>
> I'm wondering if I could add my question here as well.
>
> I have two people, from Sao Miguel, that I am researching:
>
> Manoel NUNES from Sao Vincente Ferreiro Parish, (born about 1867 to
> 1869) and his spouse, Ermelinda Carreiro, (born about 1881), in
> Arrifes Parish.  I've attempted to send an e-mail to both parishes but
> never received any response.
>
> Do you think you can assist me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pat McCoy
> ==
> On 12/28/11, Shirley Allegre  wrote:
>> Gail:  At least you know that it is Sao Miguel.
>> I have a gazillion people from Sao Miguel island.
>> Who are you looking for?  I might have them in my database.
>> I need names, dates, where?
>> Shirley in CA
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Cheri Mello
>>   To: Azores Genealogy
>>   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 6:33 PM
>>   Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia
>>
>>
>>   Repost for Gail, gelizares at hawaii.rr.com
>>
>>   Any pointers on how to find out where my great grandparents came from.
> On
>>   all the documents so far that I found it just says Azores or Sao
Miguel.
>>
>>
>>   Gail
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia

[Linda Norton]

Wow, I never knew that or at least it wasn’t mentioned when I was there. My
family is from Ribeira Grande. I will check it out!

 

Thanks.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sam Koester
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia

 

Pasty;  My ancestors are not from Sao  Miguel but; I checked out this site
for the fun of it.  What a great site for those of you who can find your Sao
Miguel ancestors there!  Pictures and all…  Wonderful.  Sam in Maz

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Chuck Nostrome
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:38 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia

 

I received a copy of the passport appeal which had to be done in the Azores
before Jacinto Vieira Anselmo and family could leave Sao Miguel and go to
the Hawaiian Kingdom to work. Apparently they had to describe the workers
before the passport was issued by the local authorities to the Hawaiian
ones. They have an emigration museum in the province Ribeira Grande on Sao
Miguel. 

If you want to do a search the site é http: / / mea.cm-ribeiragrande.pt
  /. It doesn't have alot but will grow.  I
received this from the curator of the museum.

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia

[Linda Norton]

Pat,

Have you gotten in touch with Suzanne Carreiro from the group? I know that
Suzanne has family history on Carreiro's.

My mother's cousin was married to Evaristo Carreiro who was from Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel. I'm not sure if he originated from Ponta Delgada.

Linda Borges Norton Furtado

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pat McCoy
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:41 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: Pat McCoy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia

Hi, Shirley.

I'm wondering if I could add my question here as well.

I have two people, from Sao Miguel, that I am researching:

Manoel NUNES from Sao Vincente Ferreiro Parish, (born about 1867 to
1869) and his spouse, Ermelinda Carreiro, (born about 1881), in
Arrifes Parish.  I've attempted to send an e-mail to both parishes but
never received any response.

Do you think you can assist me?

Thanks!

Pat McCoy
==
On 12/28/11, Shirley Allegre  wrote:
> Gail:  At least you know that it is Sao Miguel.
> I have a gazillion people from Sao Miguel island.
> Who are you looking for?  I might have them in my database.
> I need names, dates, where?
> Shirley in CA
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Cheri Mello
>   To: Azores Genealogy
>   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 6:33 PM
>   Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Locating the village or freguesia
>
>
>   Repost for Gail, gelizares at hawaii.rr.com
>
>   Any pointers on how to find out where my great grandparents came from.
On
>   all the documents so far that I found it just says Azores or Sao Miguel.
>
>
>   Gail
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal

[Linda Norton]

I hope everyone from this group has a Feliz Natal.Boas Festas and Feliz Ano
Novo!

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:01 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal

 

Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal to everyone on this list!

For those who would like to send their Christmas greetings to the list,
please hit reply to this message (so everything stays "threaded" together)
and type away. Please don't send your greetings after 11:59 pm on Dec. 25th.


Thanks!
Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

[Linda Norton]

Thanks.

 

Linda

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
bellema...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:54 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

 

I believe Eliseu wrote few days ago he wrote and said he had been hacked or
some such thing and gave his new email address. Check this groups Archives. 

"E" 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

[Linda Norton]

Did Eliseu change his email address or am I mixing that up with someone else
from the group? Eliseu can you email me. Thanks.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Henrietta M.

[Linda Norton]

Gaby Gaultney could help you with Henrietta. I met Henrietta, lovely lady.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:34 AM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Henrietta M.

 

Is Henrietta M. from Stonington CT still monitoring this list, does anyone
know. I sent her a couple of messages to her personal email today but not
sure if address is correct. Can she or someone else from Stonington area
help me with a 1964 obit?

Thank you.

"E"

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Online database of birth or baptismal records?

[Linda Norton]

This is my line on Borges from Riberia Grande, Sao Miguel. I don't know if
there is a connection.

My grandfather did come to this country and Bermuda in the early 1900's for
work as a custom furniture maker, but went back to Sao Miguel. He was the
eldest and had three sisters; Judite, Marquinas, Sophia. His father died in
the 1890's. Mother Maria Rosa remarried and came to the US and had four more
daughters. Maria Rosa is the descendant of the Cabral/Velhos/Travassos
lines. 

My mother is Ines Estrella Borges Furtado.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Tiffany Borges
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:30 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Online database of birth or baptismal records?

Hi hi hi! Writing from Alaska with a general question: I am
researching my husband's grandparents' lives and emigration from the
Azores. I see the post regarding baptismal records and am wondering if
these have been compiled somewhere online? Or are people providing
these from family records and scanning them in, for individual input?
In our case, we have two handwritten birth records which I've tried to
translate using the online sites, to little avail. I am overwhelmed
but energized to find all of you! The towns I am focused on are Praia
de Vitoria and Ribeirinha, surnames Borges and Voz Toste respectively.
They both departed in 1917-1920 and married in California. I'm also
coming to a dead end when looking online for marriage records. Hoping
to contact all of the Catholic Churches in the county which were there
in that era, maybe that's a start? Thank you for any leads. My
thoughts are scattered and I am a beginner, so I apologize for being
all over the ... map. ; )

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo from Rabo de Peixe

[Linda Norton]

My cousin married Mariano Raposo who was from Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel. My
mothers niece who my mother called here went back to marry him so they came
here after the marriage and then he called his whole family here in early
1970's. He lives in Tewksbury, MA. I'm not sure if there is a relation
there, but I haven't seen him since 2001 and 2009 briefly since my parents
passed. He's about 66/67 years of age now. 

It could be a stretch, but Mariano could be a ggrandson from that Raposo
family in Rabo de Peixe. Rhode Island isn't that far from New Bedford.

Maybe someone can do some checking around in RI and New Bedford.

Just trying to help.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton



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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:22 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo from Rabo de Peixe

I'm attempting to find ancestors for my mother-in-laws grandfather.
All the stats we have so far is:

Name:  Antonio Elias Raposo
Birthplace:  Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel
Arrived in: 1904

He had a wife on Sao Jorge and left her with 3 children.  The family
story is that he came to the US and established a new family somewhere
in Alameda county and when the new wife's brothers found out he had
another family on Sao Jorge they killed him.

I have not been able to find anything in Almeida.  According to the
arrival manifest that I found him on, it listed Southhampton, RI on
where he would be staying.

I'm convinced that the manifest is accurate, because it states that he
is coming from Rosais, Sao Jorge which matches with where my mother-in-
law is from.

Just wondering if anyone may have any more info on this Antonio Elias
Raposo.

Thanks,

Rose

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: John Norton of Salt Spring Island

[Linda Norton]

I'm so glad I mentioned Martha's Vineyard then.

I guess I'll attempt to search my husbands line as well since we may have a
Portuguese connection though my family is from Sao Miguel and not Sao Jorge.
Who knows.

Oh the webs we weave!


Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
melanie...@me.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:00 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: John Norton of Salt Spring Island

Gayle- This is very possibly a BIG DISCOVERY. What is "Our Portuguese
Heritage" for Martha's Vineyard? Is that a book? I'll search for that
title, if you discover or know more please share!! Thanks so much.
Melanie

On Oct 25, 8:31 pm, Gayle Machado
 wrote:
> I finally had a chance to look up Norton in "Our Portuguese Heritage" for
Martha's Vineyard. On page N509, Francis Perry (Pereira) Norton is said to
have been born in 1828 on St. George , and brought to Edgartown by Capt.
Shubael Lyman Norton who adopted him.
>
> Don't know if this helps the conversation, but thought I'd add it to the
mix just in case.
>
> Gayle
>
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 6:06 AM, "Linda Norton"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Interesting.
>
> > My husband is a Norton from Boston, have not done any research since he
> > isn't interested and I'm doing my own from my family who are all from
Sao
> > Miguel.
>
> > His mother's side I have history on since his uncle has done research
and I
> > have that information- Hatfields/Pelke/Gilbert from the Midwest and
Canada.
>
> > I did have someone tell me along time ago that there is a lot of history
on
> > Norton's on Martha's Vineyard, MA off Cape Cod where they did a lot of
> > whaling. They are in the museum on that island.
>
> > I guess a very common name.
>
> > Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of
> > melanie...@me.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:11 PM
> > To: Azores Genealogy
> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Norton of Salt Spring Island
>
> > Hello and thank you for hosting this group. I'm enjoying reading the
> > entries about your ancestors. My ancestors were two brothers from the
> > Island of Flores. The story goes that they changed their last name to
> > Norton because a Captain on a ship "adopted them" or at least took
> > care of them while sailing to America or the British Columbia Gulf
> > Islands. According to the story they were 12 or 13 years-old at the
> > time. John Norton was known to be one of the first settlers on Salt
> > Spring Island in 1859. Some records list or mention a possible last
> > name being Dalrvero. Delarvo- something like that.  Signing out.
> > Melanie Kay.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another family member found

[Linda Norton]

That's awesome.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:21 PM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another family member found

 

Most of you know I have been chasing my grandmother Isabelle Victor's
baptism record along with a couple of her siblings for a LONG time. I do
have several of her other siblings records. Well, my super friend, Joao,
today sent me the baptism record of yet another sibling. Another son and,
with this, it now gives me a better timeframe of when my great-grandmother
died. I just know one of these days my grandmother's baptism record is going
to show up! Never give up your search!

"E" 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Norton of Salt Spring Island

[Linda Norton]

Interesting.

My husband is a Norton from Boston, have not done any research since he
isn't interested and I'm doing my own from my family who are all from Sao
Miguel.

His mother's side I have history on since his uncle has done research and I
have that information- Hatfields/Pelke/Gilbert from the Midwest and Canada.
 
I did have someone tell me along time ago that there is a lot of history on
Norton's on Martha's Vineyard, MA off Cape Cod where they did a lot of
whaling. They are in the museum on that island.
 
I guess a very common name.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
melanie...@me.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:11 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Norton of Salt Spring Island

Hello and thank you for hosting this group. I'm enjoying reading the
entries about your ancestors. My ancestors were two brothers from the
Island of Flores. The story goes that they changed their last name to
Norton because a Captain on a ship "adopted them" or at least took
care of them while sailing to America or the British Columbia Gulf
Islands. According to the story they were 12 or 13 years-old at the
time. John Norton was known to be one of the first settlers on Salt
Spring Island in 1859. Some records list or mention a possible last
name being Dalrvero. Delarvo- something like that.  Signing out.
Melanie Kay.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Terceira ancestors Justa Coelho x. Pedro Goncalves Linhares

[Linda Norton]

Shirley,

 

Do you have information on Coelho or Borges or both from Sao Miguel?

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 5:49 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Terceira ancestors Justa Coelho x. Pedro
Goncalves Linhares

 

Hi Marcio:  I descend from 7010 Pedro Gonsalves de Linhares X 7011 Justa
Coelha.  I descend from their daughter 3505 Ursula Coelha married to 3504
Melchoir Coelho Borges.

 

I have info for you on your people from Vila Franca do Campo, Sao Miguel.

 

I am going to work on that right now.  

Shirley in CA

P.S.  Can you read Portuguese

- Original Message - 

From: Marcio   Borba 

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:04 AM

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Terceira ancestors Justa Coelho x. Pedro
Goncalves Linhares

 


Hello group 

 

I came across something in one of my lines.

I have Justa Coelho, b. Feb.8.1582 in Se, Angra do Heroismo, Terceira and
married to Pedro Goncalves Linhares baptizing a child in Porto Judeu Dec. 8
1644. 62 years after!!! I believe some genealogical references are incorrect
as for the parents of Justa Coelho married to Pedro, as a daughter of Joao
Garcia Romayo and Barbara Coelho, more likely a grandaughter and possible
daughter of a Justa Coelho, born in 1582.

 

Mabe the Genealogias da Ilha Terceira by Jorge Forjaz might have something
about it.

 

Any help would be apreciated

Marcio Borba 
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
 


  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] ERNESTO FURTADO

[Linda Norton]

My grandfather Antonio Furtado came over on the US Cretic in 10/30/20 from
Sao Miguel, but I have Boston not NY. My father told me that his father's
brother had come in earlier Joaquim Furtado maybe 1912 from Sao Miguel not
sure what ship.

 

I don't have Ernesto Furtado that I know of on my lines.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
carmen furtado
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:08 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ERNESTO FURTADO

 

hi everyone

 

ernesto furtado age 20 from ribeira grande arrived may 6, 1907, in new york,
on the cretic - he sailed from st. michael's

 

i just searched the ponta delgada  passports from january to may 1907 and
cannot find him

 

do i have to go back more

 

thanks

 

carmen 

 

 

   

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA

[Linda Norton]

Cambridge has a lot of specialty stores as well; Fernandes (for their
marinated pork - ?trejume) and Atomic both on Cambridge Street. One great
restaurant in Cambridge is Sunset Café and love the breakfast place on Bow
St., Somerville. The Borges family owns it and always wondered if it was
related to us. Don't get there much to find out.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
yvonne domings
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:54 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA

East Cambridge has some great Azorean restaurants (Portugalia, Atasca,
Cafe Portugal) and bakeries. Many Azoreans also moved to Somerville,
which is right near east Cambridge. Many moved to Hudson as well. If
you can't find information on a name, try Anglicizing the name. For
example, my grandmother-in-law was Lipoldinha (spelled several
different ways), but called herself Pauline. If you say it fast with
an English pronunciation you can see where Pauline came from. I was
fortunate to find this early on when she was marrying my grandfather-
in-law João (called himself John). That was not as much of a stretch.
Otherwise, I never would have known.  What I do is try to follow a
hunch out until I have enough confirming evidence to either prove it
right or wrong. I'm no trained geneologist, but I think you will have
to do that when you hit a dead end. It is so frustrating. I can see
why people give up. The Maria thing is equally maddening not to
mention the changing surnames. OY!!

Yvonne

On Oct 3, 8:38 am, bbffrrpp  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just wanted to remind researchers how many Azoreans came to
> Massachusetts, and specifically to Boston and Cambridge, MA  (side-by-
> side on both sides of the Charles River).     We visited the
> "Cambridge Cemetery"  yesterday,  and saw so many Portuguese surnames
> on the stones.
>
> My (now) husband's grandparents came over to MA/US ~1905.    I don't
> know where Antonio PACHECO (age 20) first lived on arriving, but very
> soon after he was in Cambridge.    Elsie MOURA (age 12) went to a
> family on Beacon Hill in Boston as a servant.     They married in
> Cambridge in 1911.
>
> I was not able to find out if "Tony" came over with relatives.
> Around 1910 Elsie arranged for her mother and 4 younger (?) siblings
> to come over.     Just in time for her to marry Tony in 1911 in
> Cambridge.      Elsie's sister, Carolina, married into a large
> MEDEIROS family.   Their sister, Rosa, married into a PERRY family
> (probably PEREIRA).      I have never been able to find out whether
> their brothers, Frank and Manny MOURA, were already married when they
> came over,  or whether they were younger than their sisters.
>
> I don't know what happened to Elsie's father.    But, one guess is
> that he went to Brooklyn, NY,  when his wife and children went to
> Boston, MA.      Francisco MOURA was reported to have been a whaler.
>
> Over the years, I have met other people with Portuguese names;   for
> instance, I grew up with a step-grandfather, who was half-Portuguese,
> and his last name was FRANCIS.    And, I knew a lady who had married
> into the RESENDES family of Cambridge, MA.
>
> And, many families moved a little north into the City of Lowell,
> MA.     There are Portuguese neighborhoods in both cities, and both
> have a St. Anthony's Church.      I think the other place where is a
> Portuguese neighborhood is Hudson, MA.    (?)
>
> I know that Tony PACHECO came from just outside of Ponta Delgada.
> The MOURA family came from Sao Miguel,  but I'm told the name probably
> originated in Santa Maria.
>
> Betty              (near Lowell, MA, USA)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA

[Linda Norton]

Hi Yvonne,

Sorry we haven't been in touch, but yes most Santa Maria people ended in
Hudson, Ludlow and Sao Miguel ended in Fall River, New Bedford, Cambridge
and Somerville. There are a lot of people in South Peabody are from
Graciosa, Lisboa, I would say more of mix there, too.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
yvonne domings
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:59 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA

I have heard that a lot of the Azorean's in Hudson came from Santa
Maria I think the reason for the sister city in Vila do Porto is
probably that. On the other hand, many in Somerville and Cambridge
came from Sao Miguel. I don't think that is a hard and fast rule
though as my grandparents in law were from S. Miguel and ended up in
Hudson. Fall River has the Portas da Cidade that is the replica of the
one in Ponta Delgada, so many from Sao MIguel must have ended up
there. I have heard that there are more Azoreans in Fall River now
than in all of the Azores.

Yvonne

On Oct 4, 1:17 pm, "Sam Koester"  wrote:
> Does anyone know why Hudson chose Vila do Porto as a sister city?  Is it
> because many of its citizens come from there?  If so, I may have to start
> hunting for relatives there?  Thanks, Sam in CA
>
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of
> helen kerner
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:23 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA
>
> Betty,
>
> Yes, Hudson has a Portuguese neighborhood.  
>
> Vila do Porto, Santa Maria is Hudson's sister city.
>
> helen cunha kerner
>
>   _  
>
> From: Tracy Krause 
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Mon, October 3, 2011 8:39:17 PM
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA
>
> This was informative for me ~ my ancestors are from Sao Miguel and
migrated
> to Fall River MA ~ have had NO luck locating my great grandfather and 1 of
> his sons. My greatmther and their other son made their way to CA. I
stopped
> researching for awhile because I was coming up with dead ends. I thought
> maybe my grt grndfther died in MA and maybe 1 son? Family has no idea why
> only mom and 1 son went to CA and father and other son went or were
>
> Wonder if my grt grnfthr hooked up with some other woman or family? Maybe
> moved to one of those towns you speak of!! Gives me motive to start
research
> again.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of
>
> bbffrrpp
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:39 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA
>
> Hello,
>
> I just wanted to remind researchers how many Azoreans came to
> Massachusetts, and specifically to Boston and Cambridge, MA  (side-by-
> side on both sides of the Charles River).    We visited the
> "Cambridge Cemetery"  yesterday,  and saw so many Portuguese surnames
> on the stones.
>
> My (now) husband's grandparents came over to MA/US ~1905.    I don't
> know where Antonio PACHECO (age 20) first lived on arriving, but very
> soon after he was in Cambridge.    Elsie MOURA (age 12) went to a
> family on Beacon Hill in Boston as a servant.    They married in
> Cambridge in 1911.
>
> I was not able to find out if "Tony" came over with relatives.
> Around 1910 Elsie arranged for her mother and 4 younger (?) siblings
> to come over.    Just in time for her to marry Tony in 1911 in
> Cambridge.      Elsie's sister, Carolina, married into a large
> MEDEIROS family.  Their sister, Rosa, married into a PERRY family
> (probably PEREIRA).      I have never been able to find out whether
> their brothers, Frank and Manny MOURA, were already married when they
> came over,  or whether they were younger than their sisters.
>
> I don't know what happened to Elsie's father.    But, one guess is
> that he went to Brooklyn, NY,  when his wife and children went to
> Boston, MA.      Francisco MOURA was reported to have been a whaler.
>
> Over the years, I have met other people with Portuguese names;  for
> instance, I grew up with a step-grandfather, who was half-Portuguese,
> and his last name was FRANCIS.    And, I knew a lady who had married
> into the RESENDES family of Cambridge, MA.
>
> And, many families moved a little north into the City of Lowell,
> MA.    There are Portuguese neighborhoods in both cities, and both
> have a St. Anthony's Church.      I think the other place where is a
> Portuguese neighborhood is Hudson, MA.    (?)
>
> I know that Tony PACHECO came from just outside of Ponta Delgada.
> The MOURA family came from Sao Miguel,  but I'm told the name probably
> originated in Santa Maria.
>
> Betty              (near Lowell, MA, USA)
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] ? On End of Lines

[Linda Norton]

When the males have no more sons on a surname line, but maybe carried down
by the women, does that mean that line ends on that surname?

My father and his two brothers have sons and daughters, but none of the sons
had male children carried down so does that mean, that male surname ends on
that line? Yet the daughters have carried sons down.

What's confusing is that the Portuguese women carried their mother's and
grandmother's names down as their maiden names, not their father's names (as
one of my grandmother's did) and some sons carried their mother's surnames
down (my ggrandfather) and not their father's surname so how does that work
on ending a line that may not be ending?

This makes it more difficult by researching and saying that the line ended
when maybe it's not ended.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

[Linda Norton]

This is only from Portugal not from the islands, correct?

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sonia Pacheco
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:54 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

 

Please reply directly to me, thank you.

 

I am currently doing some research on illegal emigration from Portugal to
the United States during the time period (roughly) between 1890-1910.  If
you had a relative who emigrated during this time period and you have either
their passport but not their name on a passenger list OR you have found
their name on a passenger list but have not found their passport, can you
please email me directly? I am only trying to compile some rough numbers
regarding how many people may have travailed illegally from Portugal to the
United States.

 

My research has shown, so far, that many individuals were not aware that
they were even traveling illegally or that they were aiding illegal travel!

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Sonia 

Sónia Pacheco
Librarian Archivist
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel

[Linda Norton]

Interesting to know this. I just thought I saw it somewhere that Pimentel
did stem from the Jewish origin. Maybe they are Christianized Jews.

 

Joao, my godfather and Great Uncle was Joao de Sousa married to Etelvina
Lopes from Sao Miguel.

 

Thanks.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Joao S. Lopes
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:18 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel

 

There's no "Jewish" Portuguese surname. When jews were obligated to turn
into Christians ("Cristaos novos") they were baptized and adopt any possible
surname. For almost any Portuguese surname we can find Christianized Jews
(or Native Americans, or Afro-descendant slaves), without necessarily make
them "jewish" names.

 

 

JS Lopes

 

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De: Richard Francis Pimentel 
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 21 de Setembro de 2011 14:03
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel

The name is not necessarily a Jewish name. In tracing my line to Achada
Grande I found no indication there is a New Christian in the records I have
looked at which go back to the year 1700. Because you find some people using
a surname that is Jewish does now mean the name is Jewish in origin. During
the persecution many Jewish people adopted other names in attempts to hide
their heritage.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande,
Sao Miguel, Acores

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Linda Norton
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel

 

Is that a Jewish name? 

I did find years ago which I can't find now a breakdown of names and their
decent. I think it was areas of the island (Sao Miguel) that they settled
in, but were from that particular religion or country that they descended
from; i.e., Vila Franca (France).

Does anyone have information on that?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel

[Linda Norton]

Is that a Jewish name? 

I did find years ago which I can't find now a breakdown of names and their
decent. I think it was areas of the island (Sao Miguel) that they settled
in, but were from that particular religion or country that they descended
from; i.e., Vila Franca (France).

Does anyone have information on that?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flood in Povoacao in the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s

[Linda Norton]

When you put down ref (Sousa 1903 p. 199) where is that?

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 8:40 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flood in Povoacao in the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s

 

Cheri,

 

There was a major flood in 1896 and another in 1903. Affected areas were
Povoacao, Faial da Terra, and Ribeira Quente. 

 

ref. (Sousa 1903 p.199)

 

Margaret

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Trying to narrow down a death date.

In interviews of a 90-something year old cousin (though another cousin), he
remembers his grandfather dying after his marriage in 1945. He can't recall
if it was before or after the birth of a particular child in the 1950s. I
was told this ancestor died in the 1960s (1961) and my cousin, Altino, in
Canada, was told in 1966 or there abouts. So my answer is between 1945 and
1966. Although I sent Joao Ventura to look in the 1960s, he didn't find it.

Altino was told, by this uncle, that there was a flood in Povoacao, the year
our ancestor died. So they had to guess at his age and they made him 101 or
105 (I'm mixing up the stories between my American end and Altino's Canadian
end). The ancestor was born in 1861. So initially, I took it at face value.
But in pressing the grandson who, today, is in his early 90s, he can only
state that it happened after his marriage in 1945 and there was a big flood
in Povoacao. Around June or July. They were harvesting wheat (OK, I'm from
America - I thought wheat came from really flat areas, like Kansas!). I
tried googling for floods in Povoacao, but I only find the mudslide from the
1990s. But this ancestor died the year of the big flood in Povoacao.

Is there any history buff on this list that knows of a flood in Povoacao in
the after 1945 through the 1960s? I'm guessing because my ancestor died in
Vila Franca that they couldn't get word to Povoacao due to the flood to get
his birth to figure out his exact age. And I'm guessing that a guy in his
90s can look like a guy in his 100s back in the 1940s, 50s, or 60s.

Thanks,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

[Linda Norton]

My local chain supermarket in MA has it near the deli.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ray Souza
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 


Can anyone tell me where I may purchase Salted Bacalhau in the Sacramento
area ?

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From: Linda Norton 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 8:43 AM

I didn't like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is to
eat it.cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much more
tastier.

 

BTW, I do soak it for two to three days before preparation.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jason Fraga
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is "Cod".  It
can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was
speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The
equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call "Fettuccine
Alfredo" simply, "Pasta".  

 

I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish
was (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as "Cold Sauce".  She couldn't
spell the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That
lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche,
although the second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.  

 

We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with
cod, onions, and vinegar.

 

 

Respectfully, 

 

Jay Fraga

Massachusetts

 

 

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From: eric edgar
<http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=noblankt...@gmail.com>  

To: azores@googlegroups.com
<http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=azores@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the
year.

 

The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.

 

 

Eric Edgar

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carab...@aol.com> > wrote:

Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 

Sherry

 

In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jay_fr...@applimetrix.com
<http://us.mc1258.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jay_fr...@applimetrix.com>
writes:

Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

steve.go...@gmail.com
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

[Linda Norton]

I didn't like it when I made it fresh, but love it salted. Best way is to
eat it.cold!! It takes in the other ingredients and makes it much more
tastier.

 

BTW, I do soak it for two to three days before preparation.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jason Fraga
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is "Cod".  It
can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was
speaking of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The
equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call "Fettuccine
Alfredo" simply, "Pasta".  

 

I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish
was (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as "Cold Sauce".  She couldn't
spell the second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That
lends a bit of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche,
although the second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.  

 

We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with
cod, onions, and vinegar.

 

 

Respectfully, 

 

Jay Fraga

Massachusetts

 

 

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From: eric edgar   

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

 

Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the
year.

 

The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.

 

 

Eric Edgar

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM,  wrote:

Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 

Sherry

 

In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:

Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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From: "Steve Gomes" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

steve.go...@gmail.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

[Linda Norton]

I was in Maui on a trip four years ago and never saw that, though we really
weren’t looking for it.

 

My mom made Massa every holiday and would pass at least 12 loaves if not
more around. I would help her make it, but never good do it myself. I had
the hardest time making the yeast rise. My mom would never measure any of it
or I should say use a measuring cup. It was a box of this or container of
that. I still see her pulling apart the dough after it rose and put it in
the separate warm pans. She use to cover the pans with blankets and keep it
near the baseboards in the house during the colder weather. She said if it
didn’t rise right it was because of a draft, funny. Then she let those rise
and brush beaten egg whites over them to gloss them, then bake. Great smell!
I can see her now kneading the dough, oh it was job alright. She made great
massa and loved making small biscuits. I really miss it and her.

 

I always wanted to do make them, but she couldn’t break it down to one loaf.
I think I tried once and it was okay, but nothing like hers.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Karen Boggs
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:55 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas
do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

 

there is two small bakeries in Maui that also makes Malasadas that are very
good.  The one up country Maui is ran by Japanese and I don't know how they
started making them but they open at 6:30 a.m. and they are sold out of
Malasadas by 8:00 a.m.  The other is in Wailuku, Maui and they make them
fresh all day long.  My great-grandmother made the Portuguese white bread
and sweet bread from a stone oven. Gail My whole family would love to have
the recipe for the sweet bread if you would like to share.  I am looking for
a place to get some for our family reunion Sept. 4th.  Does anyone know a
place near Lodi, California?  

 

My great grandparents came to Hawaii in 1906 to the Big Island.  My
grandmother was born in Haukula in 1908.  They came to the mainland in 1913.

 

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From: Gail Elizares 
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 8:13:58 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas
do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

Helen,

 

I never did see rosettes being made, all we did was the malasadas.  I come
from the Big Island of Hawaii (different island from Oahu) and malasadas is
a big thing whenever there are fundraisers especially the Catholic churches.
There is one Drive Inn in Honokaa, HI that makes and sells good malasadas.
They even sell a small pack of ingredients and instructions to make them.
My expertise is stone oven bread.  I make Portuguese white bread and sweet
bread.  For taste you can’t beat the stone oven.

 

Gail

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
helen kerner
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:07 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas
do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

 

 

Below is a link showing the iron that my Mom used to make the rosettes.  Be
sure to view all the pages for a better view of the process.

 

http://scandinavianfood.about.com/od/cookingtechniques/ss/rosettesbs.htm

 

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From: Katharine 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Sun, August 14, 2011 6:24:24 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas do
Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

Thanks, Margaret!  Do you know of a specific dough cutting implement
(perhaps similar to a cookie cutter) that's used to create specific
shape?  Are there a certain number of flower-petals, or is the item
circular, perhaps with a scalloped edge?  If someone can have better
luck finding an image online of either "Rosas do Egipto" or the
cutting implement, I'd be most grateful, because it's hard for me to
translate something I can't picture !

Katharine.

P.S. (below)  Olá, Helen!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

[Linda Norton]

My mother also had the iron Rosas. She use to make them on occasion and I
remember helping her with it. I think I still have it since she has passed.
I don’t remember her telling me she took it over from Sao Miguel, but it
could have been from my relatives.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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helen kerner
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:47 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas
do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

 

 

Maria Natalia,

 

The last time I had rosas (that's what I grew up calling them) was when I
went to a bridal shower last year.  Most of the guests were Azorean from the
various islands and they were happy to see the delicious and beautiful rosas
there.

 

The iron that I have is similar to the one in the link that I sent but I
remember my Mom using one with a straight handle.  I remember something
happened to that one but since I was young I don't remember what it was.
The one with the straight handle was one that my Grandmother brought from
the Azores.  

 

When I was young I remember going to meet an aunt who had recently arrived
from Santa Maria and she showed my Mom the rosa iron that she brought.  This
same aunt made the rosas for my sister's wedding.

 

Some day I will experiment and make a small batch.  

 

helen 

santa maria

 

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From: mnk 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 7:57:16 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas do
Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

Helen,
I also have my mother's 'iron' for making the rosettes. Although I
have never tried making them, I sure enjoyed eating them when I was a
child.
Maria Natalia

On Aug 15, 9:15 am, Edward Rodrigues 
wrote:
> Katharine if you go on line and do a search of Malassada they have a few
different site that show different variation.
http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-make-malasadas/
> Ed
>
> On Aug 14, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Katharine wrote:
>
>
>
> > Muito obrigada para todos!!!  (Thank you very much, everyone)
>
> > The novel I'm translating takes place in Nordeste, São Miguel,
> > although as someone whose father was ¾ Florentino, I appreciate
> > Debbie's information as well, from a personal viewpoint -- since I
> > know so little re my family's hidden Portuguese ancestry (such a huge,
> > forbidden secret), and this adds another clue to my search for my own
> > destroyed roots.  Also, I find it interesting how some traditions are
> > universal throughout the Azorean archipelago, while others can be
> > unique even within a region of just one island!
>
> > The fried-in-oil dough described by Gayle, Margaret, Cheri, Linda and
> > Donna is surely what the novelist is referring to.
>
> > Allegedly, "malassadas" in the eastern Azorean islands are the same as
> > what are called "filhós" in the central and western groups.  Is that
> > correct?
>
> > I also sent an email with this inquiry to an immigrant friend
> > originally from near Nordeste, and he said his mother loved them, made
> > them, and used a dough-cutter to give them their characteristic
> > shape.  I replied a little while ago asking if that was a rosette
> > shape, since I've yet to find any pictures of "Rosas do Egipto"
> > online, but have yet to receive a reply.  Will keep you posted if I
> > learn more.
>
> > I left my native Bay Area for back East long ago (long before I knew
> > of my Portuguese heritage).  Where we live in the diaspora, I
> > literally do not know a single Azorean-American -- NOT ONE :-(   If,
> > like some of you lucky ones, I lived near a Portuguese bakery, I'd be
> > one of their steadiest customers -- and probably one of their plumpest
> > ones as well!!!
>
> > Katharine.
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

[Linda Norton]

I was going to say it sounds like Malassadas as Cheri had mentioned. That's
the only dessert that I know is deep fried. It's the Portuguese version of
American donuts and/or the deep fried dough I always thought.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton



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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gayle Machado
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:20 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas
do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

I have just located two recipes in the book for "Mal-assadas", the first one
does use the phrase "frigir com oleo". The second one says "untam-se os
dedos de oleo." 

Also, there is Manteiga in both recipes, and banha de porco in one. Time to
get out the dictionary again. So, the three recipes do appear to be
different or at minimum variations on a theme.

Take care, 

Gayle


On Aug 13, 2011, at 9:49 PM, "Katharine" 
wrote:

> Obrigada, Gayle!
> 
> It sounds rather like the Portuguese recipe above.  Does your cookbook
> mention anything about "oleo" (frying in oil)?  To me they sound sort
> of like the pre-Lenten treats called "filhós" or "malassadas,"
> dependking on the part of the Azores one's in.  The strange thing is
> that the novel I'm translating mentions them being made for feeding
> folks doing a "matança" (ritual hog-killing) in Nordeste, São Miguel,
> during Advent (pre-Xmas), not Lent.  Somehow I had the impression that
> traditionally filhós or malassadas weren't made other times of year.
> If anyone knows, I'd appreciate learning more.
> 
> Katharine.
> 
> = = = = = = = = = =
> "Rosas do Egito," by Ana Maria Albuquerque Taveira (who's had recipes
> online for over a decade in various formats -- I first encountered her
> on a Geocities website ca. 2000):
>
http://cybercook.terra.com.br/rosas-do-egito-ii-na-comunidade.html?codigo=14
468
> 
> Ingredientes
> - 500 g de farinha
> - açúcar a gosto
> - raspas de 1 limão
> - leite o suficiente
> 
> Modo de Preparo
> Misture bem todos os ingredientes da massa, adicionando
> o leite até o ponto da massa. Numa panela, aqueça o
> óleo até ferver. Depois, coloque a forma de rosa dentro
> para aquecer bem. Em seguida, mergulhe a forma na massa
> e retorne ao óleo, deixando fritar até a massa soltar
> da forma. Coloque numa travessa e polvilhe com canela e
> açúcar.
> 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to locate John Roias

[Linda Norton]

Really busy at work and my youngest is getting married in three weeks. Busy
time!

 

I haven't had time to do the genealogy, but I still read the emails when I
can to see if I find someone that I may connect to.

 

Linda

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emc
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:17 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to locate John Roias

 

Thanks, Lindahow are you

 

Elizabeth

 

From: Linda Norton 
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to locate John Roias

Elizabeth,

 

Here is John's email address.

 

jro...@rogers.com

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto: azores@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf
Of emc
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:28 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to locate John Roias

 

John, please contact me at jag4...@yahoo.com or if anyone has an address for
him would appreciate your sending it to methanks

 

Elizabeth

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to locate John Roias

[Linda Norton]

Elizabeth,

 

Here is John's email address.

 

jro...@rogers.com

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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emc
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:28 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to locate John Roias

 

John, please contact me at jag4...@yahoo.com or if anyone has an address for
him would appreciate your sending it to methanks

 

Elizabeth

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] introduction myself to the group

[Linda Norton]

Welcome!

Where do you live in Sao Miguel? Do you know Manuel Borges Tavares from
Ribeira Grande? His son is Fernandes Borges Tavares, daughter Dulce Tavares
Costa and daughter Lina Tavares. This is my mother's paternal side and my
cousins.

My father's aunt, Merces de Sousa Caloura m. Manuel de Silva Rocha from
Ribeira Grande. Their son, my father's first cousin, Padre Anton de Sousa
Caloura Rocha is a retired priest there. He is around 86 now.

Hope you can find your family.

I have a cousin from Lisbon who wrote a book on his father's paternal side
(my father's paternal side). They had migrated to Canada from Sao Miguel. My
Aunt has the book which is in Portuguese. I learned a lot with the family
tree on it and some stories about them. It was published in Portugal.

Good luck on your endeavor and maybe we are connected, too.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton



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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
rchaves
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:17 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] introduction myself to the group

Hello researchers,

I would like to say hi to all here, my name is Ricardo Chaves, I still
have a lot of work to do but already done some research with baptism
books and after many hours of work, I got my first results. I am at my
6th generation on my father's side. Chaves. I was born in Santa Maria,
I live in Sao Miguel for 17 years. I don't do Genealogy as a full time
job, I do it at free time. My main goal is to write a book for my
family. I try to research all names I can, including my wife's side
too. I also love to work with old pictures.

I sincerely hope to find some connections here, although I believe no
one in my most direct family is doing this, as far as I know, I am the
only one that had made some "longer" steps.

These are the names on my father side: Chaves and Carvalho from Santo
Espirito-Santa Maria, Tavares and Resendes from Ribeira Grande-Sao
Miguel), Rocha from Santo Antonio - São Miguel), and more.

These are the names on me mother side: Ponte from Lomba do Botao -
Povoacao - Sao Miguel, Freitas from Santa Barbara - Santa Maria,
Cabral from Sao Pedro - Santa Maria, and much more.

I have been doing it for over 4 years but very slowly, this to say
that I am not an expert but have learned a lot by reading and talking
with people. I hope I can be of any help here and hope mostly to learn
and find roots.

Thank you all for reading, more here www.rchaves.com/blog

Ricardo Chaves

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial

[Linda Norton]

So frustrating when you see and read about the same names, Anthony Furtado
(my ggrandfather), but born in different islands and immigrated to the
states, especially the same year, 1892. We have Morgado not Morganti though
and on the east coast, MA, not RI or CA.

 

Linda Borges Furtado (Norton)

 

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bill & Eadie Kothlow
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:47 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial

 

Frank or JoElayne

 

I have Furtado in my family from Faial...and lots of information - from the
sounds of your note, we are talking the same family

 

my cousin, Mary - her mother was a Furtado, lives in California and has done
a lot of research on this family

 

Here is a sample of the info I have - 6 of the Furtado's listed in this
attachment immigrated to America - either Rhode Island or California

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Frank or JoElayne   Johnson 

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:22 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial

 

There are quite a few of us from the west coast. Maybe we don't post as
often??? In the Bay Area there is a bunch of us! Hopefully, you can connect
with a cousin through this group. That has been one of the benefits of this
group for me. The other is learning about the unique research skills and
resources needed to research the Azores genealogy. So far all of my
knowledge of our ancestors has come through cousins researching the same
families. Don't forget to check all the neighbors in the census. The
immigrants tended to migrate together and settle near each other. Good Luck!

 

JoElayne Ferre' Johnson

 

 


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From: Cheri Mello 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:17 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado and George from Faial

Repost for Judy G, 


 

gaarde at frontier.com

 

I am searching Furtado and George line from Faial, Azores and am very new at
this.

Is there a active Portuguese club of some sort for the Northwest states as
most all posting I read are coming from east coast area and I do not hear
"Ellis Island" or Northwest mentioned much?? 

If not this is what I know about my grandparents and great grandparents. I
believe his birth records there have been destroyed by fire as I read the
church in Saoal burned to the ground???

Grandfather: Antonio Rosa Furtado (possibly a Jr.?) born 1892 Island of
Faial (maybe little town of Saoal), Azores I read the church ( in Saoal)
that his records were in burnt down and they lost a lot of informtion. 

Immigration - 1910 via Ellis Island (Ellis Island has write up and picture
on wall of him) to Turner, Calif. Died 1971 Santa Cruz, Ca. His father
possibly named Antonio R Furtado also. His Mother is unknown to me. 

Antonio has a brother named Joseph (S or R?)Furtado who settled in San
Francisco Bay area, California prior to Antonio's arrival. There may be a
2nd brother Manuel Furtado who came over later. Such a common name and
nothing to connect it too. 

1918 Antonio married Mary Elizabeth George - 1893 to 1986. Their
children Dorothy Rose, Edward A, and Geraldine May (my mother) . My
Grandmother Mary's parents are - Father - Antone F. George 1863 to 1949
, 

Immigrated in 1887 from Azores (island ?),. 

Mother is Mary J Martin 1872 to ? Maybe born here in Bay area.?.

Married - 1893 in San Francisco area and settled in Half Moon Bay,
California.- their children were: Mary Elizabeth, Joseph F, Rose , Minnia
(Minnie), Antone Jr. and Clara. 

I show Antonio and Mary made a trip to Lisbon in 1952.

Both Mary and Antonio are buried in Santa Cruz, California where he had
retired. I have hit a wall.

I am still searching for distant cousins possibly in bay area???

Judy G

Morganti, Furtado, George, Martin- Faial Azores

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao M. Vicente and Antonio Vicente

[Linda Norton]

Any relations to Margaret Vicente from the group and who descends from the
Velho/Cabral/Travossos gang?

 

Linda Borges Furtado

 

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gaby Gaultney
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:02 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao M. Vicente and Antonio Vicente

 




Elaine. I don't know how to thank you.  You have given me some great info
and leads.  I have to tell you how interesting this is to me.  Just got back
from Paris after attending my grandson's wedding.  Out of the blue , his
mother-in-law asked me if my parents were born in the 
Azores.  When I told her, yes indeed they were, she then told me that she
had a relative who came from the Azores and had published the first
Portuguese newspaper in this country.  What are the odds of that happening.
Anyway all she could tell me was that his last name was Vincent.  I then
googled the info I had and came up with the chronology which gave me the
name of the newspaper, and, that it had been published in Erie, Pa.  It also
said that Joao and Antonio came from Flores.  I asked Joao Ventura to take a
look and he found no trace of them.  He is currently looking in Faial.  Now
we have a wealth of info from you so that I can continue to "pull the
strings".   This is so much fun for me because Joao Ventura has done most of
my genealogy.  I , now get to try it myself .  I'll keep you posted on what
I find.

 

Gaby

 

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: \  "E\" Sharp

Date: 6/12/2011 5:34:22 PM

To: azores@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao M. Vicente and Antonio Vicente

 

I found a passport application for Anthony M. Vincent b. 1/28/1858, Azores,
his father is John M.  Vincent, doesn't know ship he came to US on about
1862, lived in Erie, PA from 1862, this app. is dated June 7, 1920, he is
going to Cuba to visit family.  He is a printer in a print shop. His wife
and daughter applied to passport for Cuba a couple of months before him.  I
also found him on the 1920 census in Erie living as a boarder with several
other people.  In July 1821 he is sailing from Antilla, Cuba.  It says he
was Naturalized thru his parents...so I would look for NA record for his
father John (Joao) Vincente.  Just says b. in Azores.  It gives a number
53097W but don't know if the is NA number or what.

 

He was naturalized Court of Common, Erie PA, Sep.3, 1873.  Maybe you can get
his NA record?

 

In 1910 census, there is a John M. Vincent b. abt. 1862 with wife Anna
living in Erie PA with 10 children.  Says came to US 1864.  Printer-own
office.

 

"E"

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao M. Vicente and Antonio Vicente

[Linda Norton]

I hope you are doing well Gaby.

I'm so happy what you have found out. It's such a small world isn't it? I'd
be curious on what you find out as well.

I know Padre Anton hasn't been doing well. I saw my Aunt at my youngest
son's shower on Saturday and she does try to keep in touch with him.

Cous,

Linda 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Gaby Gaultney
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:02 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao M. Vicente and Antonio Vicente

 




Elaine. I don't know how to thank you.  You have given me some great info
and leads.  I have to tell you how interesting this is to me.  Just got back
from Paris after attending my grandson's wedding.  Out of the blue , his
mother-in-law asked me if my parents were born in the 
Azores.  When I told her, yes indeed they were, she then told me that she
had a relative who came from the Azores and had published the first
Portuguese newspaper in this country.  What are the odds of that happening.
Anyway all she could tell me was that his last name was Vincent.  I then
googled the info I had and came up with the chronology which gave me the
name of the newspaper, and, that it had been published in Erie, Pa.  It also
said that Joao and Antonio came from Flores.  I asked Joao Ventura to take a
look and he found no trace of them.  He is currently looking in Faial.  Now
we have a wealth of info from you so that I can continue to "pull the
strings".   This is so much fun for me because Joao Ventura has done most of
my genealogy.  I , now get to try it myself .  I'll keep you posted on what
I find.

 

Gaby

 

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: \  "E\" Sharp

Date: 6/12/2011 5:34:22 PM

To: azores@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao M. Vicente and Antonio Vicente

 

I found a passport application for Anthony M. Vincent b. 1/28/1858, Azores,
his father is John M.  Vincent, doesn't know ship he came to US on about
1862, lived in Erie, PA from 1862, this app. is dated June 7, 1920, he is
going to Cuba to visit family.  He is a printer in a print shop. His wife
and daughter applied to passport for Cuba a couple of months before him.  I
also found him on the 1920 census in Erie living as a boarder with several
other people.  In July 1821 he is sailing from Antilla, Cuba.  It says he
was Naturalized thru his parents...so I would look for NA record for his
father John (Joao) Vincente.  Just says b. in Azores.  It gives a number
53097W but don't know if the is NA number or what.

 

He was naturalized Court of Common, Erie PA, Sep.3, 1873.  Maybe you can get
his NA record?

 

In 1910 census, there is a John M. Vincent b. abt. 1862 with wife Anna
living in Erie PA with 10 children.  Says came to US 1864.  Printer-own
office.

 

"E"

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Travel--Practical Advice

[Linda Norton]

I always put my prescriptions in the bag that goes into the plane not the
bag I bring on the plane so I don't have any problems checking in. It's much
easier that way.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:54 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Travel--Practical Advice

 

The TSA web site:
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/specialneeds/editorial_1059.shtm
<>

I've saved up some of the smaller pill bottles and transferred my
prescription into the smaller ones. I've peeled the label off and put it on
the small ones. Not all labels peel off that well, though.

The TSA has never stopped me for my prescriptions. I've been detained for
the bean bag thing that the GPS sat on (there's lead inside), my AC/DC plug
adapter (they have round holes where you plug in your electrical things),
and for my flute! Another time, I had my band uniforms in a separate
suitcase and the TSA had opened it and included a note that said they
searched it. I guess they wanted to make sure it wasn't part of a rogue
military group!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FILM: Ricardo D. Rebelo's "Island of My Dreams" will air on Rhode Island PBS, channel 36, on Sunday, May 29, at 11 p.m.

[Linda Norton]

Thanks. I can't wait to see this.

Linda

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Peters
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FILM: Ricardo D. Rebelo's "Island of My
Dreams" will air on Rhode Island PBS, channel 36, on Sunday, May 29, at 11
p.m.

Eileen,

You can watch the entire film online here:

http://blip.tv/rrebelo/island-of-my-dreams-4885145

Best,

Steve


On May 29, 6:06 pm, "Eileen Leite"  wrote:
> Unfortunately we are in the Chicago area. Sigh.  Someday we will see it,
or
> better yet, make a trip to the Azores ourselves!
>
> Eileen Leite

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Different wording on Baptism record

[Linda Norton]

Rick,

 

I'm sorry about coming in on this a week later because I've very busy at
work, but I can't read most of this and after reading all the threads, could
it be morar (live) and not morto or morro?

 

Anyway, where or how did this thread start since Francisco Borges and Jose
Borges is my family from N.S. da Estrella?

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

 

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 10:20 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Different wording on Baptism record

 

Here is a baptism record I came across and the wording is different.
Normally it would give the name followed by the words Filho legitimo and
then the father's name.

I can't make out the words given here the copy is not that good but perhaps
someone with more knowledge of the language could recognize them.

 

I know this couple are married and have several other records with other
children listed Filho(a) Legitimo(a).

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] God Parent names are another tool

[Linda Norton]

Thanks for the information. It's great to know.

 

Do you have that database in a format that you can forward? I would be
interested since most of my families are from the parishes N.S. da Estrela
and N.S. da Conceicao, Ribeira Grande.

 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

 

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:42 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] God Parent names are another tool

 

Hi All,

 

As many of you know I have been working on the records of Sanrtissimo
Salvador Church records since 1995 when I embarked on a project to extract
all the marriages on the film covering the years 1836-1883. There are 542
marriages during this period. In Addition I have added a number of marriages
from the nearby parish on Nossa Senhora da Estrela. I have entered these
marriages in a data base with the undated marriages of their parents of the
brides and grooms. 

 

As many of you also know Priests had a habit of changing names on documents
based on factors we may or may not understand? Woman's names are
particularly prone to this. A woman may be known as Rita dos Santos on one
record and Rita de Jesus on several records and Rita de Sousa on another but
they are all the same woman

 

I figured out many of these families but there some I was not sure of and to
try and in my effort to make things accurate I have resorted to many tricks.

 

I had a couple of families the names were Luis de Sousa and Rosa Ferreira
and Luis de Sousa and Rosa Moniz. Both couples were about the same age and
with the name Luis de Sousa matching and the wives first name of Rosa I
suspected they were the same people. One of the couples I had located 4
grandchildren and the other I had located 1 grandchild from two different
families.

 

I started looking at the birth records of the grand children in particular
the names of the god parents. On the record from the couple with one child
(grandmother named Rosa Moniz) the godfathers name was Jacinto Ferreira. He
was described as married from the parish and uncle on the mothers side "tio
maturno"  I now started looking at the birth records of the children of the
other couple (grand children of Rosa Ferreira)  and the first record I
looked at named the god father as Jacinto Fereira tio maturno and the second
record named the god father as Jacinto Ferreira from the parish and maternal
uncle "tio maturno"  at this point I was sure that Rosa Ferreira and Rosa
Moniz were the same woman and had two daughters and 5 grandchildren.
Suspicion solved.

 

I guess the point is that every record has details that we sometimes over
look some of the information in our haste to put families.

 

Looking at this family now the Uncle Jacinto was well liked and respected in
the family and two of his nieces wanted him to be the god father or their
children.  

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Different wording on Baptism record

[Linda Norton]

I have Joao de Medeiros, b abt. 1825 in R.G. NS da Estrella m. to Albina
Julia Rebelo.

Joao and Albina's child; Maria Rosa b. abt. 1859 m. Manuel Borges Giesta on
8.10.1879 in R.G. NS da Estrella

Maria and Manuel's child; Manuel Borges Giesta (my grandfather) b. abt.
1885.


Francisco Borges Giesta b. abt. 1804 in R.G. NS da Conceicao m. Joaquina
Rosa de Jesus on 29.10.1834 in R.G. NS da Conceicao.

Francisco and Joaquina's child; Manuel Borges Giesta (my ggrandfather) b.
abt. 1856

Maria Rosa my ggrandmother came down from the line of Travassos/Cabral.

JR you gave me that info a while back.



-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
JR
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:13 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Different wording on Baptism record

It seems many families in the Ribeira Grande area appeared or lived,
or worked in the other fraguesias and churches of the area.

"Filho de Francisco Borges e sua mulher Albina Candida naturaes
fraguesia de igreja prioral da NS Senhora da Estrella villa da Ribeira
Grande, neto paterno de Jose Borges, ja falicedo..."

Who is the person married to Jose Borges?

JR

On May 9, 10:19 am, "Richard  Francis Pimentel"
 wrote:
> Here is a baptism record I came across and the wording is different.
> Normally it would give the name followed by the words Filho legitimo and
> then the father's name.
>
> I can't make out the words given here the copy is not that good but
perhaps
> someone with more knowledge of the language could recognize them.
>
> I know this couple are married and have several other records with other
> children listed Filho(a) Legitimo(a).
>
> Rick
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
>
> Spring, TX
>
> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>
>  Jan 1860.gif
> 343KViewDownload

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza), Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, Conceicao...

[Linda Norton]

Da Trindade - Trindade was discovered by da Gama (Portuguese) in 1502 an
island belonging to Brazil. I would say it's a surname. Though Trindade in
the religious sector stands for trinity - three persons; father, son and
holy spirit.

I have Josefa da Trindade m. Joao Furtado m. 15.2.1756. Josefa b. 18.1.1734
in Sao Roque, Rosta da Cao, Sao Miguel.

Maybe some connection there.

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 6:02 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza),
Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, Conceicao...

Hi Linda:  What time period would da Trindade be?
I can't find the parents for my MANOEL FURTADO  X  MARIANNA DA TRINDADE.. 
Their first child, JUSTINA DA PIEDADE, was born /bapt. 21 Feb 1775, in Sao 
Miguel Archanjo church in Villa Franca do Campo, Sao Miguel, Azores.  I am 
guessing that MANOEL was born/baptised 1740-1750 in the SMA church in VFDC; 
& MARIANNA was born/bapt. about 1750s in Sao Pedro church in VFDC.

Shirley in CA
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From: "Linda Norton" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza), 
Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, Conceicao...


Conceicao is Conception. Women born around the Immaculate Conception-Dec. 8.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores etymology

[Linda Norton]

My father told me that Azores was named after the eagles or closest to that
species that were in and around the island when it was discovered.

 

Linda Borges Furtado

 

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
John Raposo
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:47 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores etymology

 

I have read that the Açor, or goshawk, which does not exist in the Azores,
was mistaken for the Milhafre, or buzzard, which is plentiful in the Azores
and resembles a hawk (they are both birds of prey with talons and sharp
beaks). Apparently the goshawk was plentiful in the hills and mountains of
Belmonte, from where Gonçalo Velho Cabral came, for there was a tiny chapel
inthe hills surrounding Belmonte dedicated to Nossa Senhora do Açores, which
pre-dated the discovery of the islands, and the Velho Cabrals were the
chapel's patrons, or so I have read.

 

From: Joao S. Lopes 
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores etymology

I picked this from wikipedia, and sounds interesting. What's the meaning of
Açores? Açor in Portuguese is the name of one species of hawk (usually
explained from Latin accipiter), but there's no hawk in Azores. An
alternative explanation is that Azores was a corruption of Italian azorres,
modern Italian azurra "blue", meaning the Blue Islands.

Joao S. Lopes

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Asking for a "blessing"

[Linda Norton]

I just remembered when I was maybe 7 or 8 years old, my father brought my
brother and I to visit my grandmother and he made us rehearse before we go
to her apartment to say vavo sabence, of course, I asked what it meant, but
don't remember what he said. It's come back with this email though.

He made us repeat it so we got it right before she answered the door. When
she opened the door, we shouted vavo sabence and she was really excited, she
responded in Portuguese, but I can't remember what it was. I think we would
say it every time we saw her from then on.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton







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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Terri
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 8:39 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Asking for a "blessing"

I am still expected to ask for blessing EVERY single time i enter my
parents house (or aunts, uncles, godparents, grandparents...) as a
sign of respect.
If i walk in my parents home and DON'T ask for the blessing...my dad
will look at me crossly or say 'Well...finally! It's about time!!"
when i do remember.
I have although...turned it into half English/Portuguese . I will say
"mom abenca'  or dad abenca'


On May 5, 10:26 am, "Jason Fraga"  wrote:
> Sorry, all- I sent this from a different email address a few minutes ago
and I think it bounced due to lack of permission to post.  This address
should work.
>
> I know that in the old country, my Azorean relatives would honor the
custom of asking for the blessing of their elders.  My "Uncle" Tony (who is
actually my Grandmother's brother) told me a funny story about attending
family functions and funerals where my Great Grandfather upon entering a
room would see all of the old and imposing "Aunts" lined up.  My Vavoo would
get serious and tell Uncle Tony (with emphasis), "Now, you go up right away
to them and ask for their blessing; I don't want any trouble".  I always
laugh, because I can picture my Vavoo saying that.  And from family stories
that were passed down, you sure didn't want to mess with the old aunts in my
family.
>
> So, on the subject of the blessing, do any of you know how it actually
goes em Portugues, and a rough translation?  I was thinking that it would be
nice to teach to my kids for the next time that we see Uncle Tony.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jay

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza), Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, Conceicao...

[Linda Norton]

Conceicao is Conception. Women born around the Immaculate Conception-Dec. 8.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jason Fraga
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:13 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza),
Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, Conceicao...

I would venture a guess that most of us have a "Conceicao" in the family- 
that's not typically a "last name" as we have them here.  It's given to 
females.  Other examples of that would be "de Jesus".




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From: "Subscribed!" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza), 
Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, Conceicao...


Suzanne,
My grandmother has da Conceicao in her family, but I don't yet know more 
than that.
Diane

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On Apr 21, 2011, at 12:40 PM, sdarosa  wrote:

> Hello, I haven't posted to the group in a long time and was wondering
> if anyone has connections to some of the families in my line listed in
> the research below. \
> Surnames are:
> da Rosa, da Roza, Furtado deMendonça, de Avelar, de Ávila, da
> Conceição, Pereira de Ávila, Pereira de Ávila Bettencourt,  de Jesus,
> Pereira Pires, Pereira Machado, Leal, Gomes de Brito, Delfina,
> Silveira, da Cunha, Pereira Cardoso,
> From: Sao Jorge - Velas/Rosais/Norte Gde/Urzelina
>
> Suzanne
>
> THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FROM SAO JORGE MICROFILMED RECORDS OF
> SIBLINGS, PARENTS, GRAND & GRGRAND PARENTS OF JOSEPH (JOSE) da ROSA:
> Ancestors of José da Rosa
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1. José da Rosa, born 29 Setembro 1836 in Velas, São
> Jorge. He was the son of 2. José da Rosa Furtado de
> Mendonça and 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar.
>
> Generation No. 2
>
> 2. José da Rosa Furtado de Mendonça, born 4
> Fevereiro 1800 in Velas, São Jorge. He was the son of
> 4. António Pereira de Ávila and 5. Rosa da Conceição.
> He married 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar 23 Setembro
> 1820 in Velas, São Jorge.
> 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar, born 21 Abril 1801 in
> Urzelina, São Jorge. She was the daughter of 6.
> incógnito and 7. incógnita.
>
> Children of José de Mendonça and Vitorina de Avelar
> are:
> i. Ana, born 24 Junho 1821 in Velas, São Jorge.
> ii. Maria, born 25 Novembro 1823 in Velas, São
> Jorge.
> iii. Rosa, born 27 Março 1826 in Velas, São Jorge.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death and Paying Each Cemetary you pass

[Linda Norton]

Sorry to hear about your grandmother. I don't remember my family ever
mentioning something like that, but I can ask my uncle and aunt and see what
they say.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Terri
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:47 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death and Paying Each Cemetary you pass

My Grandmother just died recently on the Island of Sao Miguel. Because
of complications, she had been taken from Vila Franca's hospital to
the hospital in Ponta Delgada where she died 3 days later. Her body
was brought back that night to be buried the next day in her town of
Agua d'Alto.
What i recently found out (and thought was interesting) was that
during the time of Salazar's rule, a body being transported back to
their town from somewhere else they had died...would have to pay for
each and every cemetary they passed along the way. So my Grandmothers
father who also died in Ponta Delgada ended up being buried in the
city because the family could not afford to pay to bring him back past
ALL the cemetaries.  I have tried to google more info about this but
can't seem to find anything...does anyone know more about this?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

Sorry getting back this late to you Manoel, but my ggrandfather was Manuel
de Almeida de Andrade Rodrigues born around 1850's. I wonder if there is a
connection there even though he took the Rodrigues name. He was a prominent
man so my mother tells me. He brought down a great dowry, that his only son
depleated. He was from Sao Roque, then Arrifes and then my grandmother (his
daughter) ended in Ribeira Grande. I'm curious how or why he took the name.

Linda

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

The history of Rodrigo Rodrigues is very interesting.

His 4th grandfather was Inácio de Moura, born in the island of Santa
Maria and married there in 1715 with Margarida de Andrade.
He was son of unknown parents (pais incógnitos), possibly son of the
great-captain (capitão-mor) of the island of Santa Maria, Inácio de
Sousa Coutinho.

The Moura family’s lands were usurped and illegally appropriated by
the widow and the heirs of the great-captain Inácio de Sousa Coutinho.
The Moura’s brought suit against the widow Maria Josefa do Canto e
Medeiros, but the legal case did not succeed and the Moura family was
then reduced to poverty.

Because of this fact one of the Inacio Moura’s grandsons, Francisco
José de Moura, dropped his surname Moura and adopted the surname
Rodrigues. He moved to the island of S. Miguel and married with Inacia
Rosa on 1796, in Matriz de Ponta Delgada.

Here are the descendants of Francisco José de Moura a.k.a. Francisco
Rodrigues:

1. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Carlota Amalia de Sousa, on 1834 in
Matriz de Ponta
Delgada

2. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Leonor de Arruda, on 1873 in Matriz de
Ponta Delgada

3. Rodrigo Rodrigues, b. 1873, m. Clotilde de Azevedo Oliveira, on
1900 in Matriz de
Ponta Delgada. Died on 11 december 1956, in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel.


Manoel


2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> That was confusing with all the first and second marriages. I've found
that
> my mothers father's maternal side came down from the Travossos/Velho, but
I
> would be interested in the de Andrade since that was my mothers mother's
> paternal side which was connected to Rodrigues.
>
> Does Rodigues have his own history in the book? Does he have connection
that
> you can see with de Andrade? This would be from Sao Miguel. My mother is
> Ines de Andrade Borges. I've learned that she dropped Rodrigues as her
> mother did.
>
> The Matias Furtado de Sousa is where you, Manoel is connected. I think
> that's where we are connected as well. That is my fathers both maternal
and
> paternal side from Ribeira Grande.
>
> Thanks for this information.
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores"

[Linda Norton]

I know it's been a couple of weeks, but I just wanted to say that my father
and his two brothers were all barbers. My father worked for the some type of
tax department in Sao Miguel. When he came here he became a barber because
he didn't have the education to do anything else. He retired and worked as a
bank courier. His brother came here served in the military and became a
barber. Later in life he became a builder/carpenter which was something he
was great at. He found his real vocation. The youngest brother became a
barber here since he was young and stayed a barber till he retired.

It seems like that was the only occupation they could do once they came here
with no real education. My mother's side were furniture builders or
carpenters.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Maria Lima
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores"

Dear Chris:

Whew! You have gone back into the 1500!s and you said, "that's all I have"
(?) ! 

First thing that caught my eye was that Francisco Joaquim Muniz was a
"hairdresser". I found that really meant Barber.  My husband had a great
grandfather who came to America as teenager and for a time in the City
Directory it listed his occupation as hairdresser, then in subsequent U S
Census it stated, Barber.  That mans name was Domingos Moniz Machado and he
went to Tufts University and became a dentist.  His brother, Clem Machado
was also listed as Hairdresser/Barber and later on he was a leather cutter.
That brother changed the name to Marshall.  

Paul's paternal grandfather whose name was Jacintho Jose De Lima (like his
father, the goldminer, was a Barber and I have in my possession a  notebook
of his store's employees and accounting.  Jacintho never knew his father
because after Charlotte died in Australia, Jacintho Jose, senior, returned
to the island of Sao Miguel and married his first cousin, Maria Adelaide da
Silva.  Within 3 months of his wedding, jacintho Jose, who had survived
teenage years and his early youth in the hardship life of a goldminer, died
in the Azores.He had sired a son but died not knowing his name would
continue.  Apparently he and his Jose Jacintho, had brought back $ fm the
Goldfields
Because he/ they purchased property.  Later, when the widow Maria Adelaide
remarried, the husband gambled away the family's  "fortune".  Jacintho Jose
de Lima, the son, actually wrote a 32 page autobiography that I found among
my deceased mother in law's belongings.  If I had not been genealogy
oriented, that could have been thrown out.  It was full of dates names and
his feelings toward the stepfather, whose name he never mentioned.

I would like to go nxt week to the family history center and see if I can
find yr ancestor, Francisco Joaquim Moniz.  Did u already order films from
the Family History Center?  I have a film or two from Rosto de Cao, Sao
Roque.  That parish is very close to the Sao Pedro.  It's worth a try-just
don't want to duplicate your efforts.

Maybe u will also get help fm others here who are very familiar with these
parishes (freguesias) and where they have all the films in their F H C.  

Cheers,

Maria Elena


On Mar 29, 2011, at 4:53 AM, cmurray56  wrote:

> Hi Maria, Thankyou for your reply, i will give you my family details
> as i have them, there are mistakes but i wont change anything untill i
> get the right ones as this is all i have after much searching. it
> starts with my gg grandpa Francisco J Muniz, he was a store
> keeper,miner, share holder in a mine,hairdresser. His daughter Lily
> May Beatrice Muniz was a store keeper as well , they lived in
> Smythesdale, Victoria,Australia. which is near
> Creswick,Ballarat,Bendigo area.
> FRANCISCO JOAQUIM MUNIZ b 1838 Sao Roque, Sao Miguel d 1899 Australia
> FRANCISCO CARRIEO MUNIZ b 1803 Sao Roque, Sao Miguel d Asturias Spain
> MARIA JOAQUINA REA b 1803 Sao Pedro,Azores
> FRANCISCO MUNIZ b  ?  d  ?
> FRANCISCA  J  DE SOUSA b 1780 Sao Pedro,Azores
> MANUEL PACHERO DE SOUSA b 1760 Portugal
> MARIA FRANCISCA DE SOUSA b 1760 Portugal
> JOSE MACHADO DE SOUSA b 20 Nov 1727 Riberia Secca,Sao Jorge
> FRANCISCO DE JESUS b 9 March 1733 Riberia Secca,Sao Jorge
> BRAS GONCALVES BRASAO b Sao Vincente, Iha da,Medeira
> MARIA GOMES b Parades,Porto
> MANUEL PEREIRA DE LEMOS b Manadas,Sao Jorge
> BRIGIDA MACHADO b Ribeira Secca,Sao Jorge
> ANTONIO MACHADO  b 7 oct 1726
> ISABEL MACHADO b Acores,Aveiro
> ANTONIO MACHADO NUNES b Norte Grande,Sao Jorge
> LUIS GONCALVES b Paredes,Porto
> PEDRO DIAS E ALVERES b 1564 Paredes,Porto d jun 1610 Paredas,Porto
> FRANCISCA PEDRO b 1600 Paredes,Porto
> MARIA GASPAR Y GONCALVES b 1570 Paredes,Porto
> PEDRO ALVERES b Paredes,Porto  d may 6 1590
> MARIA DIAS b Paredes,Porto  d 18 Dec 1588
> GONCALO DO BARRIO GASPER b 1530 Paredes,Porto
> CATHERINA GONCALVES b 1535 Paredes

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Carvalho Tree

[Linda Norton]

Rick was Jose Francisco Rocha from Ribeira Grande? My great aunt, Merces de
Sousa Calouro married Manuel de Silva Rocha.

My computer crashed the other day. I had to get a new hard drive. My folders
are fine, but my Outlook hasn't come back fully, ugh.

Of course, I haven't done a back up for a while.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:51 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Carvalho Tree

Hi Marge,  
 I also have Maria Thomazia Lima and Jose Francisco Rocha In my line. Their
great granddaughter Maria Filomena Rocha married my great grandfather
Manuel Joaquim Carvalho on 18 Feb 1884 in Bretanha.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Marjorie Perry
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:48 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Carvalho Tree

Hi Pat & Rick

Rick you  & my husband Joe "share" Antonio Joaquim de CARVALHO   & his wife
Lucrecia Umbelina.

Antonio Joaquim & Lucrecia had a daughter, Maria Joaquina b. Bretanha , m. 2
August 1846 Bretanha, Jose Rapsoso de MELO son of Maria Thomazia LIMA  wife
of Jose Francisco ROCHA.
Maria Thomazia LIMA daughter of Manuel de MEDEIROS & Antonia de LIMA Maria
Thomazia had a sister Mariana MEDEIROS who is Joe's direct ancestor.
Mariana m. Francisco PEREIRA. Joe & Maria Thomazia are 1st cousins 4x
removed.

I also show another son for Antonio Joaquim de CARALHO & Lucrecia Umbelina
JoaoJoaquim CARVALHO  b. Bretanha m. Antonia Constancia  15 March 1836.

Do you have further information on Antonio Joaquim de CARVALHO and his wife?

Marge[ Howes] PERRY
On a delightful sunny southern CA morn




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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 6:41 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Carvalho Tree

Hi Pat,

I have a Antonio Joaquim  de Carvalho b. abt 1810 married to a Lucrecia
Umbelina in Gintes . I need to do more research on this line but have not
gotten that far. I descend from their son Jacinto Joaquim de Carvalho who
married Joaquina de Jesus Botelho in Ajuda, Bretanha 11 Jul 1850.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 


 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

Sorry for the hiccups, but it seems it does this only when I reply on this
site???

Any, thanks Manoel. I will have to find out which line I am descending from
then.

Thanks,

Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 5:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

I’ve done a research throughout the two main sources we have, Saudades da
Terra by Frei Gaspar Frutuoso, and Genealogias de S. Miguel by Rodrigo
Rodrigues, in order to indentify the first Furtado families that came to S.
Miguel at the beginning of the colonization, and passed the Furtado surname
to their descendants, and I found the following families:


1. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – from the island of Madeira

2. Ana (or Mecia) Gonçalves daughter of Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça –
married with Rui Vaz de  Medeiros in the island of Madeira

3. Rodrigo Afonso (Furtado) married with Mecia Gonçalves or Afonso – He was
from Faro, Algarve, Portugal (Not sure if the suname came from him or from
his wife)

4. Isabel Furtado and Inês de Albernaz (Furtado), daughters of João de
Albernaz from the island of Faial

5. Beatriz Furtado, from the island of Graciosa, wife of Simão Pires son of
Duarte Pires da Rocha who married for the second time with Inês de Albernaz
(Furtado).

6. Isabel Furtado, daughter of João Luiz and Francisca Furtado, married with
Baltazar Ferreira whose father Gaspar Ferreira married for the second time
with a Francisca Furtado.

7. Frutuoso Dias (Furtado) – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso’s father


It´s so interesting that Frei Gaspar Frutuoso was from a Furtado family and
unfortunately for us he has been very discreet about his own family in his
work Saudades da Terra. But, in the chapter on Rui Vaz de Medeiros he give
us a precious hint about the common origin of the Furtado’s in the island of
S. Miguel. Talking about the wife of Rui Vaz de Medeiros, Ana Gonçalves, he
says she was "daughter of a noble citizen Jorge de Mendonça who has many
relatives nowadays (c.
1560) with the surname Mendonça and the surname Furtado".


Manoel Cesar Furtado



2011/3/30 Linda Norton :
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had 
> once told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had 
> brought down that name through the male and female lines.
>
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have 
> cousins married within my parents lines together and within their own 
> lines together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's 
> lines that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
>
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because 
> of the same blood lines.
>
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
>
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we 
> aren't related there?
>
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came 
> down from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
>
> Linda
>
>
>--
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 5:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

I’ve done a research throughout the two main sources we have, Saudades da
Terra by Frei Gaspar Frutuoso, and Genealogias de S. Miguel by Rodrigo
Rodrigues, in order to indentify the first Furtado families that came to S.
Miguel at the beginning of the colonization, and passed the Furtado surname
to their descendants, and I found the following families:


1. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – from the island of Madeira

2. Ana (or Mecia) Gonçalves daughter of Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça –
married with Rui Vaz de  Medeiros in the island of Madeira

3. Rodrigo Afonso (Furtado) married with Mecia Gonçalves or Afonso – He was
from Faro, Algarve, Portugal (Not sure if the suname came from him or from
his wife)

4. Isabel Furtado and Inês de Albernaz (Furtado), daughters of João de
Albernaz from the island of Faial

5. Beatriz Furtado, from the island of Graciosa, wife of Simão Pires son of
Duarte Pires da Rocha who married for the second time with Inês de Albernaz
(Furtado).

6. Isabel Furtado, daughter of João Luiz and Francisca Furtado, married with
Baltazar Ferreira whose father Gaspar Ferreira married for the second time
with a Francisca Furtado.

7. Frutuoso Dias (Furtado) – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso’s father


It´s so interesting that Frei Gaspar Frutuoso was from a Furtado family and
unfortunately for us he has been very discreet about his own family in his
work Saudades da Terra. But, in the chapter on Rui Vaz de Medeiros he give
us a precious hint about the common origin of the Furtado’s in the island of
S. Miguel. Talking about the wife of Rui Vaz de Medeiros, Ana Gonçalves, he
says she was "daughter of a noble citizen Jorge de Mendonça who has many
relatives nowadays (c.
1560) with the surname Mendonça and the surname Furtado".


Manoel Cesar Furtado



2011/3/30 Linda Norton :
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had 
> once told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had 
> brought down that name through the male and female lines.
>
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have 
> cousins married within my parents lines together and within their own 
> lines together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's 
> lines that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
>
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because 
> of the same blood lines.
>
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
>
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we 
> aren't related there?
>
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came 
> down from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
>
> Linda
>
>
>--
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man...@gmail.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 5:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

I’ve done a research throughout the two main sources we have, Saudades da
Terra by Frei Gaspar Frutuoso, and Genealogias de S. Miguel by Rodrigo
Rodrigues, in order to indentify the first Furtado families that came to S.
Miguel at the beginning of the colonization, and passed the Furtado surname
to their descendants, and I found the following families:


1. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – from the island of Madeira

2. Ana (or Mecia) Gonçalves daughter of Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça –
married with Rui Vaz de  Medeiros in the island of Madeira

3. Rodrigo Afonso (Furtado) married with Mecia Gonçalves or Afonso – He was
from Faro, Algarve, Portugal (Not sure if the suname came from him or from
his wife)

4. Isabel Furtado and Inês de Albernaz (Furtado), daughters of João de
Albernaz from the island of Faial

5. Beatriz Furtado, from the island of Graciosa, wife of Simão Pires son of
Duarte Pires da Rocha who married for the second time with Inês de Albernaz
(Furtado).

6. Isabel Furtado, daughter of João Luiz and Francisca Furtado, married with
Baltazar Ferreira whose father Gaspar Ferreira married for the second time
with a Francisca Furtado.

7. Frutuoso Dias (Furtado) – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso’s father


It´s so interesting that Frei Gaspar Frutuoso was from a Furtado family and
unfortunately for us he has been very discreet about his own family in his
work Saudades da Terra. But, in the chapter on Rui Vaz de Medeiros he give
us a precious hint about the common origin of the Furtado’s in the island of
S. Miguel. Talking about the wife of Rui Vaz de Medeiros, Ana Gonçalves, he
says she was "daughter of a noble citizen Jorge de Mendonça who has many
relatives nowadays (c.
1560) with the surname Mendonça and the surname Furtado".


Manoel Cesar Furtado



2011/3/30 Linda Norton :
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had 
> once told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had 
> brought down that name through the male and female lines.
>
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have 
> cousins married within my parents lines together and within their own 
> lines together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's 
> lines that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
>
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because 
> of the same blood lines.
>
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
>
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we 
> aren't related there?
>
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came 
> down from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
>
> Linda
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genetic deseases among Azorean population

[Linda Norton]

Sorry I wanted to change the thread, but I know Cheri doesn't like us
removing the subject line so I responded under Coelho.
 
My uncle and aunt had an Rh factor issue but they corrected that being in
this country and had six so called "blue babies" and they are now in their
40/50's with no problems as yet.
 
Diabetes I feel is prevalent there because of the sugar on that island. Both
sides of my family had it, my grandmother passed away with it, a couple of
aunts were blind because of it. It seems that no one coming down so far,
cross our fingers, have it.
 
My family members have a lot of health issues and some have passed on from
it, including my mom and dad, but I don't think it's genetic at this point
and time, I think it's environmental from this country even though they were
born there.
 
Linda

  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:03 PM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genetic deseases among Azorean population


Greetings,
 
When I first began researching my Azorean heritage it was to find
physiological tendencies among the Azorean people. I first came across
Machado Joseph disease aka stumbling disease. It seems to be mainly among
Azoreans and Flores has one of the highest incidences but I remember that
there had been at least 1 case in some one from Japan. It's been at least 6
years since I did that research and I'm sure there's much more info now. I
do remember that the high incidence was attributed to the amount of
inbreeding on Flores. I don't remember if Corvo also had the high amount
although it would seem probable.
 
I do know that in my own family, which has cousin marriages in several of my
lines, most of my siblings and I inherited a "leaky mitral heart valve"
from my Mother. All of my moms people were from Sao Jorge. There are 6 of
us. There's also a prevalence of diabetes and lung cancer. The lung cancer
is mainly in the women in my family and when I looked up my MTDNA it's one
of the main types afflicted with lung cancer.Osteo arthritis has been
horrible for the men in my family but not the women. Rh factor has killed
quite a few babies in my family and I wonder how prevalent it is among
Azoreans. This information doesn't make me fearful but rather I find it
valuable information to use to my advantage. For instance, while I've never
been too overweight the older I've become the heavier I've becomewhen I
found my ggrandmother, Catarina Moreira Cabrals death record in Feb 2010 and
found out she died at a fairly young age of diabetes, it gave me the
incentive to drop 40 pounds in 1 years time. I would have remained
complacent without that info. So, I do think knowing the tendencies of our
ancestral health is very important!
 
I didn't know about the bi-polar schizophrenia problem until I saw Debra's
email and I find that very interesting to know. I think we can all benefit
from this type of knowledge.
 
Best regards to all,
Nancy Jean Baptista
researching:
Sao Jorge for de Sousa Pereira, Texeira Baptista, da Silveira, Enos,
Bettencourt, de Quadros, Vieira and Oliveira
Pico for de Castro, Cardosa, Furtado, da Silva
Faial for Abreu and Goulart
Santa Maria for Cabral, Coelho, Moreira and Andrade


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

anta Maria
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:23:49 -0400
> 
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had
once
> told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought
> down that name through the male and female lines.
> 
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins
> married within my parents lines together and within their own lines
> together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines
> that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
> 
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of
the
> same blood lines.
> 
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
> 
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't
> related there?
> 
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came
down
> from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of
> Manoel Cesar
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> 
> Linda,
> 
> One must be careful about surnames in Azores.
> They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from
> paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great
> grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are
simply
> adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family.
> 
> In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname
> Velho was adopted.
> Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was
> baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the
> christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the
> surname Velho.
> 
> Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's,
> connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores
in
> 1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the islands of Santa Maria
> and São Miguel.
> Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his
> sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de
> Travassos.
> 
> You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as far
as
> know.
> 
> Our common ancestors in this line are João Rebelo and Maria Travassos,
> maried about 1600. Their daughter Ana Cabral, born 30 Apr 1606 in Ribeira
> Frande, S. Miguel, is the 3rd grandmother of Rita de Jesus, my 4th
> grandmother who married my 4th grandfather José Furtado born 19 Mar 1784
in
> Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel.
> 
> 
> Manoel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> > Hi Margaret and Manoel,
> >
> > Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:
> >
> > According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes 
> > Furtado de Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes 
> > Velho and had Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married 
> > Beatriz Perdigoa and they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and 
> > Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado married again to Guimar Camelo, had four
> children, one named Jorge as well.
> > Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to 
> > Jorge Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male
> lines.
> >
> > There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso 
> > Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros, 
> > daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of 
> > Jorge de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and 
> > Sebastiao Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de 
> > Mendonca. So, Jorge Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has 
> > his surname passed by his daugher in the island on a distant third 
> > gradson and the brother of Diogo, also named Afonso Anes as his father 
> > married Ines Martins daughter of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa.
> >
> > I am going to take a shot in saying that Africa Anes and Jorge Velho 
> > brought down these lines both on female and male sides? So can I say 
> > we have an Anes/Velho club in this group?
> >
> > Linda Borges Furtado Norton
> >
> >
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once
told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought
down that name through the male and female lines.

As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins
married within my parents lines together and within their own lines
together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines
that's in my mother's lines, why is that.

I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the
same blood lines.

Sorry, but that's what I believe.

You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't
related there?

My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down
from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.

Linda


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

One must be careful about surnames in Azores.
They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from
paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great
grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are simply
adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family.

In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname
Velho was adopted.
Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was
baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the
christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the
surname Velho.

Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's,
connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores in
1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the islands of Santa Maria
and São Miguel.
Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his
sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de
Travassos.

You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as far as
know.

Our common ancestors in this line are João Rebelo and Maria Travassos,
maried about 1600. Their daughter Ana Cabral, born 30 Apr 1606 in Ribeira
Frande, S. Miguel, is the 3rd grandmother of Rita de Jesus, my 4th
grandmother who married my 4th grandfather José Furtado born 19 Mar 1784 in
Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel.


Manoel




2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> Hi Margaret and Manoel,
>
> Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:
>
> According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes 
> Furtado de Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes 
> Velho and had Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married 
> Beatriz Perdigoa and they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and 
> Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado married again to Guimar Camelo, had four
children, one named Jorge as well.
> Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to 
> Jorge Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male
lines.
>
> There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso 
> Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros, 
> daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of 
> Jorge de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and 
> Sebastiao Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de 
> Mendonca. So, Jorge Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has 
> his surname passed by his daugher in the island on a distant third 
> gradson and the brother of Diogo, also named Afonso Anes as his father 
> married Ines Martins daughter of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa.
>
> I am going to take a shot in saying that Africa Anes and Jorge Velho 
> brought down these lines both on female and male sides? So can I say 
> we have an Anes/Velho club in this group?
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once
told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought
down that name through the male and female lines.

As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins
married within my parents lines together and within their own lines
together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines
that's in my mother's lines, why is that.

I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the
same blood lines.

Sorry, but that's what I believe.

You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't
related there?

My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down
from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.

Linda


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

One must be careful about surnames in Azores.
They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from
paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great
grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are simply
adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family.

In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname
Velho was adopted.
Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was
baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the
christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the
surname Velho.

Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's,
connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores in
1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the islands of Santa Maria
and São Miguel.
Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his
sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de
Travassos.

You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as far as
know.

Our common ancestors in this line are João Rebelo and Maria Travassos,
maried about 1600. Their daughter Ana Cabral, born 30 Apr 1606 in Ribeira
Frande, S. Miguel, is the 3rd grandmother of Rita de Jesus, my 4th
grandmother who married my 4th grandfather José Furtado born 19 Mar 1784 in
Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel.


Manoel




2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> Hi Margaret and Manoel,
>
> Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:
>
> According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes 
> Furtado de Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes 
> Velho and had Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married 
> Beatriz Perdigoa and they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and 
> Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado married again to Guimar Camelo, had four
children, one named Jorge as well.
> Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to 
> Jorge Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male
lines.
>
> There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso 
> Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros, 
> daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of 
> Jorge de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and 
> Sebastiao Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de 
> Mendonca. So, Jorge Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has 
> his surname passed by his daugher in the island on a distant third 
> gradson and the brother of Diogo, also named Afonso Anes as his father 
> married Ines Martins daughter of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa.
>
> I am going to take a shot in saying that Africa Anes and Jorge Velho 
> brought down these lines both on female and male sides? So can I say 
> we have an Anes/Velho club in this group?
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

That is very interesting. 

I guess I'm still going with - Antonio Rodrigues m. Brisida Resendes from
Matriz, R.G. or Sebastio Rodrigues m. to Catarina Velho to bring down my
Manuel Rodrigues from Sao Roque, Sao Miguel.

Linda 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

The history of Rodrigo Rodrigues is very interesting.

His 4th grandfather was Inácio de Moura, born in the island of Santa Maria
and married there in 1715 with Margarida de Andrade.
He was son of unknown parents (pais incógnitos), possibly son of the
great-captain (capitão-mor) of the island of Santa Maria, Inácio de Sousa
Coutinho.

The Moura family’s lands were usurped and illegally appropriated by the
widow and the heirs of the great-captain Inácio de Sousa Coutinho.
The Moura’s brought suit against the widow Maria Josefa do Canto e Medeiros,
but the legal case did not succeed and the Moura family was then reduced to
poverty.

Because of this fact one of the Inacio Moura’s grandsons, Francisco José de
Moura, dropped his surname Moura and adopted the surname Rodrigues. He moved
to the island of S. Miguel and married with Inacia Rosa on 1796, in Matriz
de Ponta Delgada.

Here are the descendants of Francisco José de Moura a.k.a. Francisco
Rodrigues:

1. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Carlota Amalia de Sousa, on 1834 in Matriz de
Ponta
Delgada

2. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Leonor de Arruda, on 1873 in Matriz de Ponta
Delgada

3. Rodrigo Rodrigues, b. 1873, m. Clotilde de Azevedo Oliveira, on 1900 in
Matriz de
Ponta Delgada. Died on 11 december 1956, in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel.


Manoel


2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> That was confusing with all the first and second marriages. I've found 
> that my mothers father's maternal side came down from the 
> Travossos/Velho, but I would be interested in the de Andrade since 
> that was my mothers mother's paternal side which was connected to
Rodrigues.
>
> Does Rodigues have his own history in the book? Does he have 
> connection that you can see with de Andrade? This would be from Sao 
> Miguel. My mother is Ines de Andrade Borges. I've learned that she 
> dropped Rodrigues as her mother did.
>
> The Matias Furtado de Sousa is where you, Manoel is connected. I think 
> that's where we are connected as well. That is my fathers both 
> maternal and paternal side from Ribeira Grande.
>
> Thanks for this information.
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

Hi Margaret and Manoel,

Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:

According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes Furtado de
Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes Velho and had
Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married Beatriz Perdigoa and
they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado
married again to Guimar Camelo, had four children, one named Jorge as well.
Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to Jorge
Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male lines.

There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso
Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros,
daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of Jorge
de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and Sebastiao
Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de Mendonca. So, Jorge
Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has his surname passed by his
daugher in the island on a distant third gradson and the brother of Diogo,
also named Afonso Anes as his father married Ines Martins daughter of Martim
Anes Furtado de Sousa. 

I am going to take a shot in saying that Africa Anes and Jorge Velho brought
down these lines both on female and male sides? So can I say we have an
Anes/Velho club in this group?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:59 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Hi Margaret,

Unfortunately, RR says nothing about her line, so it´s very difficult to
trace who were her parents without a documental evidence.
The only thing we can speculate about is that she might be a daughter or a
grand-daughter of someone named Vicente.

Manoel

2011/3/27 Margaret Vicente :
> Hi Manuel, (sorry for budding in but I'm also part of this line) I am 
> a direct descendant of Joao Jorge (son of Africa Anes x Jorge Velho) 
> he married Beatriz Vicente from Algarve.  Does RR show anything on her
line?
>  Is there a way to trace who her parents were?
> Thank you.
> Margaret Vicente
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:59 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Hi Margaret,

Unfortunately, RR says nothing about her line, so it´s very difficult to
trace who were her parents without a documental evidence.
The only thing we can speculate about is that she might be a daughter or a
grand-daughter of someone named Vicente.

Manoel

2011/3/27 Margaret Vicente :
> Hi Manuel, (sorry for budding in but I'm also part of this line) I am 
> a direct descendant of Joao Jorge (son of Africa Anes x Jorge Velho) 
> he married Beatriz Vicente from Algarve.  Does RR show anything on her
line?
>  Is there a way to trace who her parents were?
> Thank you.
> Margaret Vicente
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

That was confusing with all the first and second marriages. I've found that
my mothers father's maternal side came down from the Travossos/Velho, but I
would be interested in the de Andrade since that was my mothers mother's
paternal side which was connected to Rodrigues.

Does Rodigues have his own history in the book? Does he have connection that
you can see with de Andrade? This would be from Sao Miguel. My mother is
Ines de Andrade Borges. I've learned that she dropped Rodrigues as her
mother did.

The Matias Furtado de Sousa is where you, Manoel is connected. I think
that's where we are connected as well. That is my fathers both maternal and
paternal side from Ribeira Grande.

Thanks for this information.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Nancy, Linda, Sam and Helen,

Here´s the excerpt from the Rodrigo Rodrigues’ book ‘Genealogias de São
Miguel e Santa Maria’:



Chapter 156

João da Ponte das Cortes (the old one) descendancy:


1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers of the island
of Santa Maria  ( See Frutuoso, Book II,  Chapter III , § XIX). He
married Inês Afonso, daughter of Jorge Velho and Africa Anes (Chapter 103, §
1, No. 2).

2 - Adão da Fonte, knight of Santiago, from the island of Santa Maria
(See Frutuoso Book III, § XIX, Chapter III) (Book IV Chapter VIII, § 1). He
married Beatriz Afonso born in the island of Madeira.

3 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain, resident in Santa Bárbara de
Santa Maria. His wife Maria Romeiro Velho was the godmother at a baptism in
Matriz de Vila do Porto on 22 february 1598. It seems that he was first
married with Andresa Fernandes (Note No. 1). He married in the island of
Santa Maria for the second time (?) before1598 with Maria Romeiro Velho *
(Chapter 33, § 8, No. 7).
 With the second wife:

4 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain (See Coat of Arms of Gaspar de
Andrade Columbreiro, page 636, in ‘Arquivo Heráldico e Genealógico de
Sanches de Baena’). He married  Maria Velho de Melo. (Chapter 33, § 2,
No.7).

5 - Capitão Baltazar Velho de Andrade. (Note No. 4). He married in
Matriz de Vila do Porto on November 1657 with Maria de Andrade Poim and he
married for the second time before 1673 with Catarina Velho de Melo.
With the second wife:

6 - Catarina Velho or Coelho de Melo, who married for the first time
in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 23 september 1697 with Matias Furtado de
Sousa, from Agua de Pau, son of João Dantes (sic) and Maria Furtado.
She married for the second time at the same freguesia on 23 december
1708 with Sebastião Jácome de Resendes (Chapter 30, § 2, No. 8).
With the first husband:

7 - António Coelho, married in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 9 september
1743 with Maria dos Santos, from Almagreira, daughter of Francisco Velho
Dias and Isabel de Andrade  married in Vila do Porto on 2 august 1708.

* (The Maria Romeiro Velho’s line goes back to Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos
and Violante Velho Cabral)

Manoel

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

I was going to say Manoel Cesar Furtado since that's his line, but he has
responded. He and I are connected as well.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norotn

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:28 PM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria


Greetings Group,
 
I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of Antonio
Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho MeloI
have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that:
 
Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da
Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of
Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born in
Almagreira, Santa Maria
 
Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in Vila
do Porto, Santa Maria
 
Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of
Joao Dantes
 
Sound familiar to anyone?
 
Nancy Jean Baptista
researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:28 PM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria


Greetings Group,
 
I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of Antonio
Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho MeloI
have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that:
 
Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da
Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of
Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born in
Almagreira, Santa Maria
 
Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in Vila
do Porto, Santa Maria
 
Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of
Joao Dantes
 
Sound familiar to anyone?
 
Nancy Jean Baptista
researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passaportes Translations

[Linda Norton]

Rick,
 
Can this line be coming down, depending the time frame, from Vincente Furtado 
and Ana de Costa, Joao Furtado and Elena, Jose Furtado and Rosa de Jesus (our 
randparents?
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Debera Garcia
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:11 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passaportes Translations


Can someone please, please decipher the pages for me on my great, great
grandparents.
�
http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PPDL1894-1896/PPDL1894-1896_item1/P20.html
�
Page 23 of passportes
�
Line # 232
�
633-my grandfather: Jacintho Raposo Furtado (I'm guessing it says his
parents are Manuel Furtado and Rosalina De Jesus??)-please help!
�
634-my grandmother: Maria Augusta (I'm guessing it says her parents are
Jacintho De Medeiros and Florinda De Jesus??)-pleas help!
�
635-Their daugter-Maria (My Aunt)
�
What I'm looking for is what is their parents names to the right, and what
is the rest of the lines saying. Where are they from?

Also, is their a site that I can order marriage certificates, or birth records 
from where they are from?� Like Sao Miguel?
�
Thanks,
�
Debera 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death Records

[Linda Norton]

Interesting. My mother said that her mother had my aunt, then lost seven or 
eight children, then had my mom and my uncle. She said it was from the milk, 
but I'm wondering if it was from flux or some other type of virus, disease, 
etc. I don't even know if they even kept records on those deaths. 
 
I see so many, including my family, that there was nothing to have over ten 
children back before or early 1900's and they survived so you do wonder why 
some did and some didn't.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:20 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death Records


I've heard both "cluster" and "whole family research."� When I began genealogy 
19 years ago (gee, I'm dating myself), I took a basic, beginning genealogy 
class at my local adult school.� I remember that in proper genealogy, you 
should take the ancestor and collect all their children (birth, marriage, 
death) and collect all the grandchildren (birth, marriage, death).� Depending 
on what my goal is, I may or may not do this.� And 19 years ago, I did do it to 
submit to a book.� It took about a year to get it.� There were no computer 
sources with online indices.� On my American lines, I copied a map of the US.� 
My ancestors were in Missouri (MO).� So I hope they all went west.� I started 
to pull the Soundex for the Federal Census for each state west of MO and 
crossed it off the map.

I remember when Shirley Allegre found a couple of deaths for our common 
ancestors.� Mom and baby died something like a day apart.� I don't remember 
what that record stated (or if it did), but it was probably due to 
complications from childbirth.� It's terribly sad.

Also, I was lucky on one of my American lines where deaths were recorded in the 
1850s in a particular county in Kentucky.� This one did note the cause.� Mom 
and 3 children died within a few months of each other.� The cause?� Flux.� I 
had to go to an old time disease name web site.� Flux is diarrhea.� One child 
probably had it and she washed the clothes along with the 2 babies and they all 
got it and died.� They didn't know about sanitation then and I'm sure the water 
wasn't changed or the one child's soiled diapers washed separately from 
everyone else's.� 

Cheri


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Saudades da Terra

[Linda Norton]

That is so true. I have generations that carry the name and then gone. It's
just trying to connect the children to both parents and see what they have
for names.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:39 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Saudades da Terra


Saudades da Terra
 
My Livro Quarto das Saudades da Terra has 3 volumes.  The best one is the
3rd volume because if has
the index of first names and another index of family names.  Makes it  easy
to find the family one is searching.  Remember these names, these families
are from the 1400s and 1500s. And with some a connection to Portugal.  
 
As for family names, you may have the name Vieira from your
great-grandfather, your grandfather, your mother, but as you go back in
time, the Vieira name has disappeared.  You may go back to 1600 and not
another Vieira is sighted.  I  have a Sousa da Costa going back about 4
generations...and that's it...no more Costas, no more Sousas. And what is so
interesting is that this line goes back to the 1500s and connects with the
Vieira Toledos noted in the next paragraph.  
 
I seem to be lucky with my Vieiras, although they are almost always listed
as Vieira Toledos, even to the present day.   They go all the way back to
the marriage of Isabel Vieira and Manuel Toledo Machado about 1550.  
 
Which reminds me of  a Vieira I met at the Family History Center.  Her
father's family came from Pico and she had  not been able to learn much more
about him.  She told me on a trip to Portugal she had gone to what she said
was the ancestral home of the Vieiras in the North of Portugal.  As a result
she had bought a complete set of dinner ware with the Vieira coat-of-arms.
But... one never knows how many generations back a  name goes.  
 
Eloise

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Muniz brothers from Sao Roque,Mi ? Azores.

[Linda Norton]

Well I have Jose Borges on my mother's paternal side from Ribeira Grande. 
Mother was Maria Rosa from Ribeira Grande that came down from the do Rego 
Baldaia family.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Lima
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:36 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Muniz brothers from Sao Roque,Mi ? Azores.


Chris:
�
My husband also had two brothers that were on the Water Lily in 1853 from 
Azores to Australia. They were gold miners in the Crestwick area.� They were 
teen agers also and through researching, I learned they went with their father 
and the father's brother in law.� The names were Jacintho Jose de Lima and Jose 
Jacintho de Lima.� The father was Antonio Jose de Lima and his brother in law 
was J. Borges.
�
That ship arriving in October (I think) was full of people from�the Azores, 
judging from the Portuguese names.� Who knows that our ancestors might have 
known and worked together.� the Lima's were partners in The Humbug Hill 
Sluicing Company.� I don't know what happened to the company.� Both brothers 
returned to the Azores.� One of them married an English girl, Charlotte Staley 
who had an 8 year old son who had passed away.� They were married less than a 
year when Charlotte also died and he buried her in the same site; I have 
picture of the gravestone.� Charlotte was a fruitier and owned a store on 
Albert Street.� Jacintho advertised sale of the store in the Crestwick and 
Clunes Register and Advertiser selling the store and belongings and returned to 
the Azores after her death.
�
Maybe, we will find some connection.
�
Warm regards,
�
Maria Elena (Lima)�


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:49 AM, cmurray56  wrote:


Please help, i dont know how to find records of people leaving Sao
Roque in 1850's. �How do i find these records?
Francisco Joaquim Muniz b 1838 Sao Roque
d 1899 Smythesdale,victoria,australia
Manuel Carreio Muniz b 1827 Sao Roque, d 1882 Creswick, victoria,
austrralia

Parents of the above are;
Francisco Carreio Muniz b 1803 Sao,Roque
Maria Joaquina b 1803 Sao Pedro

All the records in Australia are spelt MUNIZ.
Thanks
Chris

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Linda Norton]

No Edna, then is there another way of getting the volume of Saudades?
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Linda Norton
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:38 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades


Sorry, the email were sent quickly without a message.
 
I didn't realize that. I will contact Edna then.
 
Thanks,
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades



Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra  was translated by Edna Phillips kern and
published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and
address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd
A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35.

 

I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in
paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD.
I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus
protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone
took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

 

Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy.   I
can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da
Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families in the early days
of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other
islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.  I know several
people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the Family History
Library in Oakland.  

Eloise

 

In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:

Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Linda Norton
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:38 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades


Sorry, the email were sent quickly without a message.
 
I didn't realize that. I will contact Edna then.
 
Thanks,
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades



Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra  was translated by Edna Phillips kern and
published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and
address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd
A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35.

 

I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in
paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD.
I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus
protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone
took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

 

Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy.   I
can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da
Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families in the early days
of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other
islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.  I know several
people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the Family History
Library in Oakland.  

Eloise

 

In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:

Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Linda Norton]

Sorry, the email were sent quickly without a message.
 
I didn't realize that. I will contact Edna then.
 
Thanks,
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades



Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra  was translated by Edna Phillips kern and
published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and
address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd
A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35.

 

I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in
paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD.
I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus
protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone
took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

 

Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy.   I
can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da
Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families in the early days
of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other
islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.  I know several
people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the Family History
Library in Oakland.  

Eloise

 

In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:

Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades



Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra  was translated by Edna Phillips kern and
published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and
address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd
A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35.

 

I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in
paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD.
I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus
protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone
took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

 

Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy.   I
can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da
Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families in the early days
of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other
islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.  I know several
people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the Family History
Library in Oakland.  

Eloise

 

In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:

Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades



Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra  was translated by Edna Phillips kern and
published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and
address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd
A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35.

 

I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in
paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD.
I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus
protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone
took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

 

Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy.   I
can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da
Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families in the early days
of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other
islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.  I know several
people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the Family History
Library in Oakland.  

Eloise

 

In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:

Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Linda Norton]

I would love a copy.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kawika322
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:45 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra
that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy
to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to
those who want to view it.

David

On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote:
> Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used  
> copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of  
> Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading 
> families  in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa 
> Maria...little  on the other islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in 
> the late 1500's.   I know several people on the list have the book.  I 
> gave my copy to the  Family History Library in Oakland.
> Eloise
>
> In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>
> mikee...@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Do
> any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been  translated 
> into english  text?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vieira Anselmo, Ribeira Grande area, Sao Miguel island

[Linda Norton]

 
 
Again I don't have Mary Jo's email address Carmen, but did your ggrandfather
Manuel de Sousa Calouro marry Sophia Vieira Anselmo? I have Manuel de Sousa
Calouro married to Maria da Gloria Pacheco. This would be around the same
time frame 1890's.
 
Manuel de Sousa Calouro is my ggrandfather Antonio de Sousa Calouro's
brother. They are from Ribeira Grande.
 
Linda Borges Norton Furtado
 
 


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:29 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vieira Anselmo, Ribeira Grande area, Sao Miguel
island


Repost for Mike A: mikee108 at hotmail.com

hello Ally, i have actually got quite a bit of help thanks to Pat who 
has directed me towards some great info for my vieira anselmo side . 
It belongs on my maternal side. I have not been focussing much of my 
attention on this side yet , but definetely am gonna get to it when i 
have some more time. They all seem to be from the Sao pedro , ribeira 
seca da ribeira grande area. My great grandparents are as 
follows 

great grandparents 
-->SOPHIA VIEIRA ANSELMO (b. dec 1898) m MANUEL DE SOUSA CALOURO b 
1896 

her parents 
-->FRANSISCO VIEIRA ANSELMO b.1854 m MARIA OLINDA b.1868 

fransisco's parents 
-->JOSE ANSELMO VIEIRA m JACINTA JULIA ( OR OU DE JESUS) 

jose's parents 
-->MANUEL ANSELMO VIEIRA m 1819 MARIA DA ESTRELA 

manuel's parents 
-->ANSELMO VIEIRA m JOSEFA DE JESUS 

anselmos parents 
-->ANTONIO VIEIRA m QUITERIA DE JESUS 


She had about 14 or 15 siblings from what i have heard. Not sure if 
they are all here, I have the following list of  
-maria b.1884 
-manuel b 1885 
-jose b.1887 
-carolina b1888 
-rosalina b.1889 
-jacinto b.1891 
-antonio vieira b 1892 m to luzia do carmo reis ( daughter of manuel 
dos reis and jacinta augusta soares) 
-jacinto b.1894 
- jose b.1897 
-manuel vieira b.1901 m to maria da estrela barbosa( daughter of 
joaquim carreiro barbosa and maria hortencia) 
-joao vieira b 1903 m to beatriz dias branco( daughter of jose dias 
branco and maria do rosario) 
-hermano vieira b 1907 m to maria jose rebelo (Daughter of joao rebelo 
and maria jose) 
-georgina b 1909 m manuel de sousa coelho (son of joaquim de sousa 
coelho and ana da conceicao coelho) 

I am not sure where they moved on from ribeira grande area. I think i 
have come across your name also when i was starting to look for the 
Vieira anselmo line. Who are your grandparents and familly? please let 
me know if you got any more info , thanks andf take care . 

-- 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Linda Norton]

Yes. I've been trying to get a record on my ggrandfather, Marianno Furtado
who supposedly is brother to Francisco Pimentel, Rick's ggrandfather. They
were siblings as your ggrandparents were siblings on the Carvalho side.

Rick and I have been on the group for years and I kept seeing his
information about his family from Ribeira Grande and I knew we were
connected somehow from his ggrandmother Maria Furtado. What we learned just
last year that my ggrandfather never carried the Pimentel name down, but
Rick found out on records that his grandfather came over with the Furtado
name on the ship manifest and that they had the same parents. Also Francisco
had a brother named Marianno which just made sense. Our grandparents were
first cousins generating from the female side.

Yes, we would be cousins since Maria Pimentel was Maria Furtado Teixeira
Pimentel and Manuel Furtado Teixeira Pimentel. Our ggrandparents were
siblings. Maria and Manuel were first cousins to my grandfather Antonio
Furtado.

It's amazing how many of us are probably related, but with family members
not carrying names down or changing names makes it much more difficult it is
to try to find relatives.

I'm trying to get my aunt and uncle, Marianno Furtado to find his
grandfather's information. I thought my dad had it, but I couldn't find it
when he passed away. My father never ever mentioned Pimentel so I was
shocked when I was finding this out. My father said his grandfather died
when he was young and didn't really remember him so that's probably one of
the reasons besides them never discussing past families.

Do you have any information on Mary Constance Pimentel?

I just met another cousin on line on my father's maternal side, Mike A. He
just recently joined the group. I've met four other cousins directly on line
as well. Isn't it incredible!

So, for now, I'm going to say you are possibly my fifth directly on line
besides all the other siblings.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton





-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Linda,

I've read Rick's response to this. It does get confusing. My grandparents
are Mary Constance (Pimentel) and John George Carvalho.  
They had an arranged marriage. My Dad, John was their 2nd oldest child, born
in 1915. So Rick's grandmother and my grandfather are siblings, and his
grandfather and my grandmother are siblings. So it looks like we three are
very related, although I would guess you are more our generation, yes?

Donna (Carvalho) Moody

Quoting Linda Norton :

> Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m. 
> John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are 
> my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)?
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>
> Hi Joanne,
>
> Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are 
> from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If 
> your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
> The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great 
> uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number 
> of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I 
> have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the
old 78 rpm format.
> They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.
>
> I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to 
> Attleboro.
>
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Spring, TX
> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>
> Rick,
> I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She 
> remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street 
> and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was 
> before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria 
> possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is 
> about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster 
> Street.  Is any of this familiar to you?  Let me know.
>
> Joanne
>
> --
&g

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Linda Norton]

Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m. John
Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are my cousins
as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Joanne,

Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from
Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother
remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. 
The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle
Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records
from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am
always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format.
They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.

I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to
Attleboro. 


Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Joanne Mercier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Rick,
I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She
remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she
thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I
showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in
that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89)
and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street.  Is any of this familiar
to you?  Let me know.

Joanne

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question

[Linda Norton]

I have XP and have files on each of my family lines besides the notebook I had 
started with. I am really good about doing everything on the computer because 
of work, but never started any program on genealogy. I really don't have the 
time, but I will some day. When I see everyone talk about it I feel guilty that 
I haven't done it.
 
Thanks.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton
 
 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:20 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 
Family Tree Maker Question


Linda,

It probably depends on which platform (Windows XP, Vista, or Windows 7 (home or 
professional)) that you may be using.� And it may also depend on the type of 
computer user you are (or who you have access to that can help).

Cheri


On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Linda Norton  wrote:


So the moral of the story is stick with FTM 2011?


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Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:29 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7
Family Tree Maker Question

Hi Elaine,

I loaded FTM 16 from my desk top which ran on windows XP to my laptop which
has windows 7. I can't remember how I did it though. I think I moved the
whole program onto a flash drive because I was not sure I could down load
the upgrade for it. FTM 16 is FTM 2006 with an upgrade which was downloaded
that makes it FTM 16. I have since stopped using FTM 16 and have taken it
off my drive on the laptop. I still have it on my desk top along with FTM
2011 which is on both computers.


Rick

�Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire


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"E" Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:27 PM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7
FamilyTreeMaker Question

I purchased a netbook and my son is downloading all my software onto it.
When he went to download my FamilyTreeMaker Version 16, it says it cannot be
done and I have to upgrade but he says it all appears to be there.anyone
else had this problem switching from Windows XP to Windows 7? �I do not want
a newer version as I like the one that I have. �Are they just telling me I
have to upgrade so I have to pay for something I do not want?

Thank you.
Elaine

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question

[Linda Norton]

So the moral of the story is stick with FTM 2011? 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:29 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7
Family Tree Maker Question

Hi Elaine,

I loaded FTM 16 from my desk top which ran on windows XP to my laptop which
has windows 7. I can't remember how I did it though. I think I moved the
whole program onto a flash drive because I was not sure I could down load
the upgrade for it. FTM 16 is FTM 2006 with an upgrade which was downloaded
that makes it FTM 16. I have since stopped using FTM 16 and have taken it
off my drive on the laptop. I still have it on my desk top along with FTM
2011 which is on both computers.


Rick

 Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:27 PM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7
FamilyTreeMaker Question

I purchased a netbook and my son is downloading all my software onto it.
When he went to download my FamilyTreeMaker Version 16, it says it cannot be
done and I have to upgrade but he says it all appears to be there.anyone
else had this problem switching from Windows XP to Windows 7?  I do not want
a newer version as I like the one that I have.  Are they just telling me I
have to upgrade so I have to pay for something I do not want?

Thank you.
Elaine

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 50 Most Popular Genealogy Websites for 2011

[Linda Norton]

Thanks Rich.
 
Are you in TX yet?
 
Linda

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:12 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 50 Most Popular Genealogy Websites for 2011



Hi All, 

 

This is an interesting list of sites. May be there is one you have not tried
or of some interest.

 

 

http://www.progenealogists.com/top50genealogy2011.htm 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic or Jewish Roots?

[Linda Norton]

Could it still be possible that people who settled in that area near Lisbon
could have been from France? I know that Portugal was settlers from all
different countries when it became established.
 
Linda
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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic or Jewish Roots?


Vila Franca is an old city near Lisbon.  Vila Franca de Xira.  According to
-Nossa Senhora da Vida- 3rd Visconde de Botelho, that Vila Franca do Campo
was named by Goncalo Vaz Botelho, one of the early colonizers in Sao Miguel.
It is thought that he was born in the region of Vila Franca de Xira, close
to Lisbon where his family had good estates (seigniories).  Many of us are
descendants of Goncalo Vaz Botelho.
Eloise
 
In a message dated 2/18/2011 5:19:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
patli...@verizon.net writes:

Vila
Franca were people from France.



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Sousa, Borges, Carreiro Line

[Linda Norton]

Hermano, I thought you and I had Valentino Furtado as our common ancestor? I
haven't researched the site on Borges, but do you have Borges as well? 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Hermano C. Pires
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:26 AM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Sousa, Borges, Carreiro Line


Hello Linda
 
Many thanks for posting this site where I found many connections.
Could it be that we may haave a connection as well?
 
Hermano
 

 

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From: patli...@verizon.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Sousa, Borges, Carreiro Line
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 21:31:51 -0500


My cousin Suzanne Carreiro who is connected on my paternal mother's side, de
Sousa line by our ggrandparents who were siblings. She has Borges, on that
line, as well, but I have Borges on my maternal father's side. We are trying
to see if there is a connection there, too. She sent me this link.
http://joaopedroborges.bravehost.com/familytree.html


 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic or Jewish Roots?

[Linda Norton]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there were Jewish people that came to the
island to escape persecution so some of them are carrying the Jewish
surname. I want to say Pimentel is one of them.

There was a site I saw a few years back that actually showed each area of
the island that were descendants from a particular country, i.e., Vila
Franca were people from France.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
lori pacheco
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:43 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic or Jewish Roots?

This question keeps coming up for me so I want to ask it here. Does anyone
know whether the roots of their azorean ancestors were Jewish (Sephardic)?
I was baptised Catholic;.however, this subject has intrigued me for a while
and I cannot find much informatioon on it. I would love any feedback from
you

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.

[Linda Norton]

Your absolutely right. 

My mother made massa in batches every Christmas and Easter to give to
everyone. I remember helping her, but never had the touch of making it
myself. I tried, but it never comes out like hers or the way it should. Of
course, she never measured anything so getting that down is hard enough so I
kind of given up. I can still remember the smell of the bread when it rises
the next day and ready to be put in the oven. I miss that.

It's sad that the blood gets thinner, but I know my eldest son still loves
and looks forward to having some of the dishes, my youngest not so much.
They have gone over to see my family there so I know that will be carried
over to their families in mind and heart.

It's kind of sad that the younger generation isn't really traditional
anymore or at least as we were. I know it's the society with everyone moving
around to other places makes it harder. What can you do.

Linda 




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Jacki G
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:51 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.

Kale soup is one of my most favorite out of all the wonderful things my
grandmother taught me to make. I make it all the time. It's just so easy and
delicious. If anyone wants the recipe, just let me know. Another favorite is
the sweet bread. I make it every year at Christmas and Easter. The Sopas
that is traditionally served at the Holy Ghost celebrations is also another
favorite that I enjoy making.

I think food is a wonderful way to stay in touch with our history. I try
hard to keep the traditions going. Not just for my Portuguese side but I
have to say that's the food I enjoy the most. As the generations continue,
the blood gets thinner and thinner but if the love of the food can keep the
appreciation of their heritage in their hearts, then it's worth the extra
time and effort to make it. 

Jacki

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Linda Norton
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 3:21 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.

I just made Portuguese Kale Soup the other day.

I remember having Soupas de Espirito Santo, when we would go to the
religious feasts in my younger days held in Cambridge, New Bedford, Fall
River, Ludlow, etc.

It was a poor man's soup.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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"E" Sharp
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:14 PM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.

Lucky you if you live in the area.  Not sure if it is Yuma AZ .  A couple of
great recipes, too!

http://www.yumasun.com/articles/portuguese-67579-millie-meat.html

"E"

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.

[Linda Norton]

I just made Portuguese Kale Soup the other day.

I remember having Soupas de Espirito Santo, when we would go to the
religious feasts in my younger days held in Cambridge, New Bedford, Fall
River, Ludlow, etc.

It was a poor man's soup.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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"E" Sharp
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:14 PM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.

Lucky you if you live in the area.  Not sure if it is Yuma AZ .  A couple of
great recipes, too!

http://www.yumasun.com/articles/portuguese-67579-millie-meat.html

"E"

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silva, Viera, Silveira in Gloucester, Massachusetts

[Linda Norton]

I'm not researching Pico, though I have a cousin married to Viera's, but
from Sao Miguel.
 
Have you recently heard of this new writer from Gloucester, Maria Grace
Furtado. She just had a book signing on her novel - Love and Murder on Rocky
Neck. She came over from Sao Miguel when she was five.
 
I have mentioned the group to her and follow her on FB.
 
Linda

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onemst
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:14 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silva, Viera, Silveira in Gloucester,
Massachusetts


I had an uncle, Antonio da Silva who made me a lovely mandoline back in the
1940's.  I don't know if he did this professionaly or not.  I thought he was
a carpenter.

Barbara T.

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From: Deanna Enos 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silva, Viera, Silveira in Gloucester,
Massachusetts
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:40 AM


When we were in Piadade, Pico we met a Viera family and have stayed in
contact with her, although she lives in St. Jorge now.  I'm sure we could
get some documents on her family, though it may not be the same since your
ancesters were from Faial.  Faial is just a short ferry away from Pico.  
 
Did anyone in your Massachusetts family go into the violin making business?


On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:


Repost for Tina tinaparks at gwi.net  

Is there anyone out there researching Gloucester, Mass, immigrants from
the azores like I am? My ancestors are Silvas, Vieras (Faial), and
Silveiras (from Pico). I find it very hard to get any records before
they got to the US. 
Can anyone help?




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[AZORES-Genealogy] De Sousa, Borges, Carreiro Line

[Linda Norton]

My cousin Suzanne Carreiro who is connected on my paternal mother's side, de
Sousa line by our ggrandparents who were siblings. She has Borges, on that
line, as well, but I have Borges on my maternal father's side. We are trying
to see if there is a connection there, too. She sent me this link.

http://joaopedroborges.bravehost.com/familytree.html
http://joaopedroborges.bravehost.com/familytree.html> 



 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo-Ramalho-Pereira and Almeida/Andrade

[Linda Norton]

Elizabeth,
 
Jacinto de Andrade born 1851 in Arrifes had a daughter Margarida that
carried de Andrade and de Almeida was the de Almeida carried down from the
mother's or father's side? My ggrandfather as you and I discussed was Manuel
de Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues born around 1851 was from Sao Roque, but my
grandmother, one of his daughters, Maria dos Espirito Santo was born in
Arrifes. We must have a connection there. 
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emc
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo-Ramalho-Pereira and Almeida/Andrade



Hi All:
 
I just finished putting together a book on my father's French family and now
am ready to concentrate entirely on my mother's Portuguese side.  I tried
working both at the same time butgot tooo confusing...:-(
 
Here is what I have:
 
Manuel RAPOSO & Maria-Francisca MONIZ had a son
 
Antonio RAPOSO n. 1798/died 03 Jun 1868 in Maia /m Maria Inacia da-PONTE (n
03 May 1779 in Maia) 02 Aug 1802 in Maia, Sao Miguel.
 
Had a son 
 
Joao RAPOSO n 04 Mar 1809  in Maia died 02 Apr 1933 in Maia m
Inacia-Francisca PEREIRA (n 18 Mar 1812 in Maia) 07 Jul 1830 in Maia
 
Had a son 
 
Joao RAPOSO-PEREIRA n 19 Sep 1849 in Maia  died 02 Apr 1933 in Maia m
Francisca-Julia-Conceicao da-PONTE-RAMALHO (n 18 Jan 1859 in Maia)  11 Jan
1875 in Maia
 
Had a son
 
Jose RAPOSO-RAMALHO-PEREIRA (my grandfather) n 07 Mar 1876 in Maia died 19
Jun 1917 in Newport, RI USA m Margarida-Joaquina ANDRADE-ALMEIDA 24 Jun 1901
in Newport, RI USA
 
Manuel de-ANDRADE-MACEDO m Mariana de SAO-MIGUEL
 
Had a son
 
Joao D'ANDRADE-RAPOSO do nascimento n 02 Jun 1755 died before 1831 m
Genoveva-Rosa da CONCEICAO (N 02 Mar 1756) 14 Oct 1779 in Fenais do Luz, Sao
Miguel
 
Had a son
 
Antonio D'ANDRADE DO SILVA do Nascimento n Ca 1797 m Dona-Ana-Clara 26 Sep
1831 in Fenais do Luz
 
Had a son
 
Jacinto de ANDRADE n 26 Apr 1851 Ariffes, Sao Miguel m Margarida-Candida 16
Sep 1872 in Ariffes
 
Had a daughter 
 
Margarida-Joaquina ANDRADE-ALMEIDA (my grandmother)
 
Would appreciate any/all help on the aboveI have tried searching
Ancestry BUT..they don't have ANY records for Portugal...also tried Family
Links and Footnote as well as LDS
but haven't send for LDS microfilm which is my last resort...did that with
my "french connection"  almost went blind...:-(  If anyone has any other
ideas, would appreciate knowing what they are
 
Please note, I only gave you my direct lines above, not their
siblings.
 
Cheers and TIA
 
Elizabeth

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] BIRTH RECORDS ON LDS FAMILY SEARCH

[Linda Norton]

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm glad you are recovering well.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
carmen furtado
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:48 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BIRTH RECORDS ON LDS FAMILY SEARCH


i was in a terrible automobile accident on october 13, 2010, and am now out
of the nursing home/rehab but having rehab at home
 
before the accident i was able to access massachusetts birth records to 1915
on family search lds for my great-grandfather celestino rezendes' children
born in fall river - now i went to print them out and they are no longer
there
 
anyone know why not
 
thanks carmen


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa (Batata) family -- Vila Franca do Campo

[Linda Norton]

Do you think that Batata could have been dropped at some point and time? I
have two surnames that dropped nicknames after a few decades or more or even
from different families that dropped it.
 
I have de Sousa's from Sao Miguel, but not with Batata. I just wonder if
they have siblings they could have moved and dropped the nickname.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton
 
 

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John Raposo
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa (Batata) family -- Vila Franca do
Campo



 


I have a colleague of mine from S. Pedro-VFC, who is a Sousa Batata. I
forwarded your e-mail to her and perhaps she will respond directly to you.
She remembers that there were two unrelated Sousa Batata families in V.F.
but I have told her that in my view, given the unusual Batata (potato)
surname (which probably originated as an "alcunha") truncated with Sousa, it
is much more likely that they have the same Sousa Batata ancestor.
 
I have the following:
 

Modified Register for José de Sousa Batata-128651

First Generation

 

  1. José de Sousa Batata-128651  was born in S. Pedro-VFC. 

José married (MRIN:51150) Senhorinha Amália-128652 . Senhorinha was born in
S. Pedro-VFC. 

 

They had the following children:

   2 Mi.  José de Sousa Batata-128653  was born in S.
Pedro-VFC. 

 

+  3 Mii.  Francisco de Sousa Batata-128654  was born in
1867. 

 

Second Generation

 

  3. Francisco de Sousa Batata-128654  (José de Sousa) was born in 1867
in S. Pedro-VFC. 

Francisco married (MRIN:51151) Jacinta da Conceição-128655  in S. Pedro-VFC.
Jacinta was born in 1860 in S. Pedro-VFC. 

 

They had the following children:

   4 F i.  Maria Batata-128656  was born in 1895 in S.
Pedro-VFC. 

   5 Mii.  Francisco Batata-128657  was born in 1898 in
S. Pedro-VFC. 

   6 M   iii.  João Batata-128658  was born in 1900 in S.
Pedro-VFC. 

 

 

I also have a Manuel de Sousa Batata and his wife Catarina Ferreira living
in Ponta Garça about 1700. (This information is from George Pacheco). Maybe
this will help.
 
Good luck!
 
John Miranda Raposo


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From: Joseph Costa 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 10:22:12 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa (Batata) family -- Vila Franca do Campo

Hi all.

I am new to this group, although I've been doing geneaolgy research on
my family for about 20 years now, on and off.  I'm starting up again.
Specifically,

I've begun research the Sousa Batata family from Vila Franca do Campo,
Sao Miguel.  I'm wondering if anyone else has this name in their tree.

My grandfather was Jayme de Sousa Batata (1884 - 1950).  He immigrated
to Plymouth, MA in 1907.

My great grandfather was Jose De Sousa Batata (1844 -1914).  He also
immigrated to Plymouth, MA.  He was a stone cutter (cabouqueiro).

My 2nd great grandfather was Francisco de Sousa Batata, and his father
was Henrique de Sousa Batata.  I don't have a lot of information on
them.I'm working on it.

If anyone is related or has any information, let me know.

Regards,

Joe Costa
Norfolk, MA

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco J G Muniz

[Linda Norton]

Thank you Bruce, I was going to say to Cheri, she must have overlooked that
town in Sao Miguel. My ggrandfather Manuel de Andrade de Almedia Rodrigues
was from there.
 
Chris, I have de Sousa as well, but need to see if we are connected on that
line. I will email you directly.
 
My cousin Suzanne Carreiro is a de Sousa as well, she hasn't been on line,
but I will reach out and see if she is connected on the Carreiro side. I
also have a cousin Carlos Carreiro from Fall River, MA;  mother was
Estrelinha and Evaristo Carreiro from Sao Miguel. They lived in Ponta
Delgada, Sao Miguel.
 
 
 
 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce A. Tavares
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco J G Muniz


Hi Chris,
 
There is also a village named Sao Roque on the Island of Sao Miguel, [St.
Michael]. It is the next village east of the capital, [Ponta Delgada]. I've
been to the beach in that village. Very nice!
 
http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4GWYE_enUS252US252

&q=sao+roque+sao+miguel&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Sao+Roque,+Portugal&gl=us&ei
=TBczTf_9K4KC8gaQrrTYCA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ8g
EwAA

Take care,
 
Bruce Tavares
 
 
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 01:08:07 -0800
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco J G Muniz
> From: cmurra...@yahoo.com.au
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi all this is my first post so please excuse any mistakes. I am
> trying to trace my gg grandfathers family in Azores. Following is most
> of the information i have, I i dont know when he got to Australia.
> Help needed please to find out about his family.
> 
> FRANCISCO JOAQUIM MUNIZ b 1838 Sao Roque,Azores,Portugal, m AGNES
> MIRK 1859 Smythesdale,Victoria Australia d 1899
> Smythesdale,Victoria,Australia. They had 8 children
> father of Francisco is; FRANCISCO CARREIRO MUNIZ b 1803 Sao
> Roque,Azores. mother, MARIA JOAQUINA REA b 1803 Sao Pedro,Azores.
> father of Francisco C ; FRANCISCO MUNIZ b Asturias,Spain
> mother; FRANCISCA JACINTA DE SOUSA b 1780 Sao Pedro,Azores
> 
> I hope someone knows of this family and can help
> Best Wishes
> Chris
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

[Linda Norton]

That's like my mother named Ines Estrella born January 21, 1926 and she had
said they never registered birthdates immediately so because her name was
Estrella and they named you after saints or feasts or around holidays, she
always said she was born around little Christmas/three kings named from the
star (estrella) they followed. I think if she was born around the 21st it
would have been Candelaria which is part of that feast.
 
I have many cousins who said what they had as birthdates were probably not
accurate since registering/recording the time of birth was not something
urgent.
 
My aunt is Conceicao born Dec. 8 because of the Immaculate Conception as my
grandmother born April 5 was Maria de Resurreicao named after the
resurrection.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton
 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
celeste perry
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:06 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos



For me, this day has a relation to my search for ancestors.  I was raised in
my maternal grandparent's home.  This grandfather immigrated from
Tras-os-Montes on the continent of Portugal.  He could neither read nor
write.
 
We always celebrated his birthday on December 26th.  He thought he had been
born on Dec. 26, 1875.  When I visited the archive in Braganca, I found that
he had been born the day after Christmas, as he and we thought.  The
difference was that he was born on Jan. 7, 1876.  Obviously we did not know
that in his part of the word, Christmas was celebrated in a different month,
day and in his case, year.
 
The more I know of customs and history, the easier it is to continue the
search for ancestors.
 
Celeste, Hayward, CA

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

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From: Sam Koester 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 8:57 AM


George, I want to thank you for sharing this information.  I am currently
living in Mazatlan and learning the Mexican traditions and the one you speak
of is definitely practiced here though it had not been explained so fully to
me before this.  I was brought up in the Catholic faith and am full blooded
Azorean though 2nd generation American.  I had never before heard of this
celebration on the 6th of January nor of the cake, etc.  It is interesting
learning how others celebrate/memorialize the events surrounding the birth
of Christ.  BTW, I tasted a sample of this cake in the local grocery store
and it was delicious!

Thanks again for sharing, Sam in Maz

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Behalf Of
George Pacheco
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:51 AM
To: Azores-Gen
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

Hello everyone

I want to wish everyone a wonderful - Day of The Three Kings - Dia dos Reis
Magos.

It is a day that is celebrated in all Portuguese and Spanish speaking
countries. It is the celebration of the end of the Christmas season and in
some countries, this day has a greater importance then Christmas.



During the era of the kings of France, bread was filled with a lima bean,
and the person who found it in his bread would receive the gift that His
Highness had prepared for the event.  The idea was to place a lima bean in
the bread dough, which was usually filled with fruits like dates and
raisins, and this bread was shared around the time of the New Year
festivities.

The tradition changed a bit when it arrived to the Americas, transforming
itself according to the customs and resources of our country, where it
eventually became the rosca.  Here the rosca is decorated with pieces of
orange and lime, and is filled with nuts, figs, and cherries. Hot chocolate
accompanies the rosca.

  So every year, on January 6, families all across Mexico gather around
their tables to share the rosca de reyes.  And now, instead of finding a
lima bean in the bread, a little plastic doll representing Jesus is placed
in the bread.  The person who receives a piece of bread with this doll
inside has to make the tamales used in the fiesta de la Candelaria on
February 2.  This celebration is the last of the Christmas festivities, 40
days after Jesus's birth.



According to the story, the three Wise Men (called in that time "magicians",
although they were actually astronomers) saw from the far east the birth of
a star over the town of Bethlehem, and they discovered the meaning behind
the star:  a savior had been born.  They traveled to Bethlehem, and along
the way they found the King Herod, whom they told of the birth of the new
King.  Herod ordered them to find the baby and return to give the news of
the place where the little Messiah had been born.

  The

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

[Linda Norton]

That makes sense since my Godmother gave me a presepio back in the 50's
which included Jesus in the crib of straw, Mary, Joseph, cow, donkey,
shepard and sheeps. plus the three kings. I want to say they were made of
plaster paris.
 
Thanks.
 
Linda

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
celeste perry
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos



The crib of straw  is called a manjedoura.   Stable is called a palheiro.
The entire stable, Jesus in the manger and Mary & Joseph  with the cow,
donkey, and sheepis called  a presepio.   
 
This is from my friend who was born in Terceira.  Maybe in another place
they are known by other names.  Celeste, Hayward, CA

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

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From: Linda Norton 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 12:14 PM


I know of this and keep my tree and manger up for the celebration where so
many do not.

Thank you for letting everyone know how important this day is.

Question, I call the manger a prasape (is that correct spelling and
pronunciation?)

Linda 

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Behalf Of
George Pacheco
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:51 AM
To: Azores-Gen
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

Hello everyone

I want to wish everyone a wonderful - Day of The Three Kings - Dia dos Reis
Magos.

It is a day that is celebrated in all Portuguese and Spanish speaking
countries. It is the celebration of the end of the Christmas season and in
some countries, this day has a greater importance then Christmas.



During the era of the kings of France, bread was filled with a lima bean,
and the person who found it in his bread would receive the gift that His
Highness had prepared for the event.  The idea was to place a lima bean in
the bread dough, which was usually filled with fruits like dates and
raisins, and this bread was shared around the time of the New Year
festivities.

The tradition changed a bit when it arrived to the Americas, transforming
itself according to the customs and resources of our country, where it
eventually became the rosca.  Here the rosca is decorated with pieces of
orange and lime, and is filled with nuts, figs, and cherries. Hot chocolate
accompanies the rosca.

  So every year, on January 6, families all across Mexico gather around
their tables to share the rosca de reyes.  And now, instead of finding a
lima bean in the bread, a little plastic doll representing Jesus is placed
in the bread.  The person who receives a piece of bread with this doll
inside has to make the tamales used in the fiesta de la Candelaria on
February 2.  This celebration is the last of the Christmas festivities, 40
days after Jesus's birth.



According to the story, the three Wise Men (called in that time "magicians",
although they were actually astronomers) saw from the far east the birth of
a star over the town of Bethlehem, and they discovered the meaning behind
the star:  a savior had been born.  They traveled to Bethlehem, and along
the way they found the King Herod, whom they told of the birth of the new
King.  Herod ordered them to find the baby and return to give the news of
the place where the little Messiah had been born.

  The three wise men found the baby in a manger, adored by shapers, and they
offered him three gifts:  gold, which represented the spiritual wealth of
the child; frankincense, which signifies the earth and the sky; and Myrrh,
the oil which was used for medicinal as well as spiritual purposes.  Upon
their return, an angel warned them that they should not tell King Herod
about the birth of Jesus because his plan was to kill the baby.  So the
three wise men returned by way of a different path to their homeland.



So every year we celebrate the Epifanía (manifestation) of God on earth to
the Reyes Magos...who were neither kings nor magicians.


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

[Linda Norton]

Thank you! 

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
George Pacheco
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:17 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

presépio


On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Linda Norton  wrote:
> I know of this and keep my tree and manger up for the celebration 
> where so many do not.
>
> Thank you for letting everyone know how important this day is.
>
> Question, I call the manger a prasape (is that correct spelling and
> pronunciation?)
>
> Linda
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of George Pacheco
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:51 AM
> To: Azores-Gen
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos
>
> Hello everyone
>
> I want to wish everyone a wonderful - Day of The Three Kings - Dia dos 
> Reis Magos.
>
> It is a day that is celebrated in all Portuguese and Spanish speaking 
> countries. It is the celebration of the end of the Christmas season 
> and in some countries, this day has a greater importance then Christmas.
>
>
> 
> During the era of the kings of France, bread was filled with a lima 
> bean, and the person who found it in his bread would receive the gift 
> that His Highness had prepared for the event.  The idea was to place a 
> lima bean in the bread dough, which was usually filled with fruits 
> like dates and raisins, and this bread was shared around the time of 
> the New Year festivities.
>
>  The tradition changed a bit when it arrived to the Americas, 
> transforming itself according to the customs and resources of our 
> country, where it eventually became the rosca.  Here the rosca is 
> decorated with pieces of orange and lime, and is filled with nuts, 
> figs, and cherries. Hot chocolate accompanies the rosca.
>
>  So every year, on January 6, families all across Mexico gather around 
> their tables to share the rosca de reyes.  And now, instead of finding 
> a lima bean in the bread, a little plastic doll representing Jesus is 
> placed in the bread.  The person who receives a piece of bread with 
> this doll inside has to make the tamales used in the fiesta de la 
> Candelaria on February 2.  This celebration is the last of the 
> Christmas festivities, 40 days after Jesus's birth.
>
>
>
> According to the story, the three Wise Men (called in that time 
> "magicians", although they were actually astronomers) saw from the far 
> east the birth of a star over the town of Bethlehem, and they 
> discovered the meaning behind the star:  a savior had been born.  They 
> traveled to Bethlehem, and along the way they found the King Herod, 
> whom they told of the birth of the new King.  Herod ordered them to 
> find the baby and return to give the news of the place where the little
Messiah had been born.
>
>  The three wise men found the baby in a manger, adored by shapers, and 
> they offered him three gifts:  gold, which represented the spiritual 
> wealth of the child; frankincense, which signifies the earth and the 
> sky; and Myrrh, the oil which was used for medicinal as well as 
> spiritual purposes.  Upon their return, an angel warned them that they 
> should not tell King Herod about the birth of Jesus because his plan 
> was to kill the baby.  So the three wise men returned by way of a
different path to their homeland.
>
>
>
> So every year we celebrate the Epifanía (manifestation) of God on 
> earth to the Reyes Magos...who were neither kings nor magicians.
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Butte County

[Linda Norton]

Thank you. I know of a great aunt who went to CA with her husband and my
father said no one ever heard back from her. Her name was Amelia or Emilia
Furtado m. ? Morais. She was born between 1887-1897 in Ribeira Grande, Sao
Miguel. Parents Marianno Furtado and Maria do Carmo.
 
Anything would be great.
 
Thanks.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Lionel Holmes
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:19 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Butte County


If anybody is interested, I've extracted the Butte County, CA,
Naturalization Declarations of Intention records for the years 1843=1929,
and would be pleased to look up any names wanted.

Lionel Rocha Holmes


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

[Linda Norton]

I know of this and keep my tree and manger up for the celebration where so
many do not.

Thank you for letting everyone know how important this day is.

Question, I call the manger a prasape (is that correct spelling and
pronunciation?)

Linda 

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
George Pacheco
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:51 AM
To: Azores-Gen
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dia dos Reis Magos

Hello everyone

I want to wish everyone a wonderful - Day of The Three Kings - Dia dos Reis
Magos.

It is a day that is celebrated in all Portuguese and Spanish speaking
countries. It is the celebration of the end of the Christmas season and in
some countries, this day has a greater importance then Christmas.



During the era of the kings of France, bread was filled with a lima bean,
and the person who found it in his bread would receive the gift that His
Highness had prepared for the event.  The idea was to place a lima bean in
the bread dough, which was usually filled with fruits like dates and
raisins, and this bread was shared around the time of the New Year
festivities.

 The tradition changed a bit when it arrived to the Americas, transforming
itself according to the customs and resources of our country, where it
eventually became the rosca.  Here the rosca is decorated with pieces of
orange and lime, and is filled with nuts, figs, and cherries. Hot chocolate
accompanies the rosca.

  So every year, on January 6, families all across Mexico gather around
their tables to share the rosca de reyes.  And now, instead of finding a
lima bean in the bread, a little plastic doll representing Jesus is placed
in the bread.  The person who receives a piece of bread with this doll
inside has to make the tamales used in the fiesta de la Candelaria on
February 2.  This celebration is the last of the Christmas festivities, 40
days after Jesus's birth.



According to the story, the three Wise Men (called in that time "magicians",
although they were actually astronomers) saw from the far east the birth of
a star over the town of Bethlehem, and they discovered the meaning behind
the star:  a savior had been born.  They traveled to Bethlehem, and along
the way they found the King Herod, whom they told of the birth of the new
King.  Herod ordered them to find the baby and return to give the news of
the place where the little Messiah had been born.

  The three wise men found the baby in a manger, adored by shapers, and they
offered him three gifts:  gold, which represented the spiritual wealth of
the child; frankincense, which signifies the earth and the sky; and Myrrh,
the oil which was used for medicinal as well as spiritual purposes.  Upon
their return, an angel warned them that they should not tell King Herod
about the birth of Jesus because his plan was to kill the baby.  So the
three wise men returned by way of a different path to their homeland.



So every year we celebrate the Epifanía (manifestation) of God on earth to
the Reyes Magos...who were neither kings nor magicians.


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: De Melo

[Linda Norton]

I wish I could ask my father when he was alive, he would be 86 now, but he
played soccer as well in Sao Miguel as his youngest brother who is now 78.
My uncle did soccer scouting for years in Cambridge. He left Ribeira Grande
when he was 21 or 22 where my father left when he was 26. I think I have a
picture of my father's team, I'll have to dig it out and send it over. Maybe
he played against those teams as well. I don't remember the name of the
team. I will ask my uncle.

He loved soccer, he would go to my sons games all the time when they were in
school. He would watch all the European soccer games on TV.
 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Herb
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:07 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: De Melo

Hello Altino

Like I said I left Fazenda do Nordeste when I was 9.  The house you are
reffering to is probbaly what we used to call the casa do trabalho or the
casa da liga. I think this is the one Cheri asked about.  It was located as
you entered Vila do Nordeste, that area as you entered the vila was called
"Erva do Mau" I believe.  My mom who is 82 and lives in Fall River,  said
that house was where the women would learn to work on tapestry. sewing,
needlework etc.  The lady who ran that house was Dona Maria do Carmo.  Is
this the house you are refering to?  As a kid I only went to Vila do
Nordeste on occasion such as a feast or to see a doctor so my recolection is
sketchy.

 All of my brothers were born at home in Fazenda, except for my sister who
was born in the hospital at Vila do Nordeste. I remember going to the Vila
for some vaccinations and also once to see a movie at the theatre on Pele
the soccer player.  My father is from Ponta Delgada but moved to Fazenda
with my mom after they married.  He played for Micalense in Ponta Delgada
and later on played for Fazenda and they would go to Vila to play the team
there.  My mom said that like so many families there, the Melos were not
always known as Melo, because of the various "apelidos" used.

 My mom is Maria da Conceicao Arruda and my father is Nicolau Ventura Sousa
Silva.  A lot of people from that era know my father because of his great
reputation as a soccer player.  Everyody knew him and he is still regarded
by many in the Azores as one of the greatest if not the greatest soccer
player from the Azores Islands.  He played for the pro team Belenenses in
Lisbon when he was in the Portuguse Navy in the early 1950's. My aunt is 86
and she may have some recollection of the Melos from Vila and I will pass
along any information she may have.

Herb




On Dec 30, 12:00 am, Altino DeMelo  wrote:
> Hi Herb,
>
> It's possible that you may be related in some sense to my Melo's. My 
> Melo's in Nordeste came from the Melo's in Ribeira Grande and Ribeira 
> das Tainhas, Ponta Garca.
>
> You may have grown up in Nordeste and your family may have known mine.
> In fact, i wouldn't be surprised at all if our relatives were in each 
> others photos (matanca's, festas etc). My paternal Grandmother 
> (Senhorinha Raposo de Medeiros) was invited after she married Antonio 
> de Melo Correia to live in Nordeste by her parents (José Raposo de 
> Medeiros and Rosa Amália de Jesus).
>
> Senhorinha's family (Grandparents, cousins etc) were from the area 
> Fazenda. (right beside Nordeste). Senhorinha had numerous siblings 
> (Ernesto, José, Manuel, Serafim, Jacinto and Maria da Luz [all 
> Raposo]).
>
> My Grandfather's house was right across from the Casa da Trabalho. He 
> had 6 children:
> José Rapose de Melo, Urbano Raposo de Melo, Maria Alda Raposo de Melo, 
> Maria de Conceição de Melo, Altino Raposo de Melo and Eduardo Raposo 
> de Melo.
>
> Altino
>
> On Dec 28, 10:34 am, Herb  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Iris. I have soem time on my hands as I am on Christmas break
>
> > I have been reading with great interest the posts on De Melo family 
> > from Nordeste.  I was born in Nordeste in 1958 and lived there there 
> > until age 9.  My teacher ( we only had one) was a Melo.  I am not 
> > sure of her first name, it may be Conceicao Alexandre Melo.  She 
> > still lives in Nordeste, I saw her in 1995 when I last  visited 
> > Fazenda. I am a descendant of Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara 
> > Correia.  Their grandson Jose Cabral de Melo married Dona Vitoria de 
> > Mendonca of Fazenda Nordeste.  Cheri Melo and Denise D'Antona and I 
> > are cousins and we have exchanged posts about this several times over
the years.
> > The Melos are a well known  and prominent family in Nordeste.  The 
> > man who owned the local grocery store or "loje" in the town of 
> > Fazenda was named Melo. I stopped at his store with my father when 
> > we visited Fazenda in 1995. He remebered me. If I am not mistaken 
> > his name is Aldino or Evelino de Melo, perhaps related to Aldino de 
> > Melo of this group.  It is difficult to break down the various 
> 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Castelo (Costello) surname

[Linda Norton]

I have de Andrade, but still researching. My maternal ggrandfather Manuel de
Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues from Sao Roque, Sao Miguel (1850's). His
daughter, my grandmother, Maria do Espirito Santo always went by de Andrade
and has listed Arrifes, Concelho of Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel as her
residence. They resided though in Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel. 

Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Pacheco
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 4:18 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Castelo (Costello) surname

Hi everyone.

I was wondering if anyone here also has the Castelo surname in their Azorean
trees? I have traced mine to a Francisco da Costa Castelo
(1737-1793) who married Joanna Andrade. They were from Rosario, Lagoa, Sao
Miguel.

I believe that Castelo was Francisco's alcunha, and that it was then passed
down. I am looking for anyone else who has this name in their tree. I
haven't been able to find the casamento for Francisco's parents, Antonio da
Costa and Maria Fernandes, so I don't know if it came from a grandparent or
not.

Has this name appeared anywhere else? This was one of the first families I
researched, and as a result I feel compelled to follow the origin of the
name. : )

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas

[Linda Norton]

Like Mazatlan alot more so than Cabo, but prefer Puerto Vallarta. We went
last February for my birthday.
 
Spending holidays at home in New England where of course we got snow now for
a white Christmas. 
 
Have fun!
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sam Koester
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:14 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas



Ok, not to make all of you who are in the cold and wet areas hate me but;
Feliz Navidad y Feliz Año Nuevo from Sam who got out of CA just in time and
is now in beautiful, warm Mazatlan, Mexico..  J  

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:13 PM
To: azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas

 

Merriest of Christmas to all of you and yours with a 2011 filled with health
and blessings.
 
Nancy Jean
>From the chilly Ozark Mountains of northwest Arkansas.

 

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From: cakemom...@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:44:13 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas
To: azores@googlegroups.com




Wishing all of you and your families a very Merry Christmas and the most
prosperous of New Years.

 

Mary Ann

>From rainy Northern California 

 

In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:40:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jojo8...@comcast.net writes:

Wishing all the Merriest of Christmas' and a very Happy and Healthy New Year
from snowy and very cold Fall River, MA. 
Many thanks to all of you for your help this year.
Joanne Perry Souza
 
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From: "Michelle" 
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:14:08 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas



Merry Christmas to all from rainy San Diego, California.

 

Michelle Morin-Boles


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jacintho do Rego Baldaia

[Linda Norton]

Welcome to the group. I guess I can say that you are a part of the
Cabral/Travassos Club? At least on my lines.

I have on my female line-Belchior Baldaia Rego from Fenais da Luz, Sao
Miguel d. 1678 married to Maria Franco. He was the son of Goncalo do Rego.
Belchior and Maria had a son Gaspar. 

Goncalo do Rego's first wife was Maria Baldaia, second wife, Isabel Pires.

Francisco Rego Baldaia 1677 from Rosario, Lagoa married to Joana Correia.

Capitao Gaspar Baldaia Rego (a nobleman) born in Porto, Portugal d. 1614
married to Clara de Vasconcelos.

You can find more info from "Livros Quarto das Saudades da Terra-Gaspar
Frutuoso and Rodrigo Rodrigues, Chapter 18 Genealogies.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton
Researching: Sao Miguel-Borges, Furtado, Rodrigues, de Almeida, de Andrade,
de Sousa, Caloura




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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rego Baldaia
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:18 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jacintho do Rego Baldaia

My name is Peter J. Baldaia, and I have been researching my family via
ancestry.com for the past few years. I am Azorean Portuguese on my father's
side. I am looking for more information on the do Rego Baldaia line. My
father was Joseph Rego Baldaia, born in Fall River, MA in 1923 and died in
Pawtucket, RI in 1975. His father was Francisco
(Frank) Rego Baldaia, born San Miguel, Azores in 1882 and died in Swansea,
MA in 1966. His father was Jacintho (Jesse) do Rego Baldaia, born 1841 in
Azores (probably San Miguel) and died after 1910 in Fall River, MA.

That's as far back as I've been able to go. I grew up in RI, but now live in
Huntsville, AL, so it is not possible for me to research primary records in
Fall River. The records I've found via the ancestry website indicate that
Jacintho arrived in the US in 1886 or 1887, but I have not been able to
locate a ship manifest. What has been fascinating to me is how many ways his
surname was listed. The Fall River City Directories initially lists Jesse in
the 1891 edition, where he appears as Jacintho Rego. In 1898 he is listed as
Jesse Drago (he is also listed this way in the 1900 Federal Census). In the
1905 City Directory he is listed as Jesse Rego Balday. In the 1910 Federal
Census he's listed as Jesse De Rego. I'm not sure why the name Baldaia
barely crops up-is that typical?

I have no sure record of Jesse after 1910, and don't know exact year of
death or where he was buried. I would love to be able to move back in time
through more distant generations from the Azores and (I'm
assuming) Portugal.

An interesting side note-I have recently had my YDNA tested to determine my
haplogroup and identify my distant paternal grandfather's people. It turns
out that I am in Haplogroup L (rare in Western Europe), and that I have a
very rare genetic marker that so far has only been identified in the Parsis
of India and Pakistan. It is surmised that my paternal line possibly arrived
in Portugal via Mediterranean traders from the Middle East - the other
possibility is a connection with the former Portuguese possessions on the
west coast of India.

This is all very interesting to me as I was told as a child that our family
descended from the Moors (my grandmother's nickname for my grandfather was
"Sheik" as she thought his distant family was Arabian.
My DNA indicates that this was clearly not the case!

Any help you can provide would be much appreciated!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas

[Linda Norton]

Boas Festas from the East Coast!
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:24 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas


Redondo Beach is right over there. I can throw a stone at it from my place.� 
Celeste is around a 6 hour drive north, I think.

Cheri


On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Shirley Sereque  wrote:


Everyone seems to know Celeste but me. � :-( � � � I'll be in the Redondo Beach 
area until January 22 and then in the Menlo Park area in April. �Are either of 
those places near Celeste so I can follow my nose to her house?
- Shirl - 



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares of Agua de Pau

[Linda Norton]

My aunt, mother's sister, Maria da Conceicao married Joao de Fontes Tavares,
Jr. I have her certificate with a complete abstract of the Record of Birth
which gives me her birth with marginal annotations of her marriage to Joao
who died 14th of Nov. 1953. 
 
I'm not sure of where he was born, but they lived in Riberia Grande. Their
eldest Manuel Borges Tavares still lives there, retired from a restaurant he
owned there. My aunt passed away in March of 2004 or 2005 at the age of 93.
 
There are four other children besides Manuel. Jose who lived in Canada died
abt. 1998, Guiomar m. Mariano Raposo who lives in MA; Lubelia m. Lawrence
Coehlo lives in MA; Luisa m. Luis Vieria lives in Riberia Grande.
 
I don't know if there is a relation there.
 
Linda

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce A. Tavares
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:09 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares of Agua de Pau


Cheri and Marcio,
 
   Thanks so much for all your help. I've learned a lot in the past few days
thanks to you guys. You are right I'm lucky that I knew what freguesia Joao
Pedro Tavares was born in. I'm fortunate enough that my parents are nearly
80 and still with us. When I started asking questions of my father a few
years ago I realized that he had the key piece of the puzzle. Joao and Maria
had 8 children all born in Fall River, Massachusetts. My dad barely
remembered his grandfather because he died when my dad was 8 years old. The
one thing he remembered was that Joao and Maria's youngest child Elvira, my
dad's aunt, once told him that Joao Pedro Tavares was born in Agua de Pau.
In 2003 I made plans to go to St. Michael in the summer of 2004, and found
the village on a map. My dad then wrote a letter to the parish priest,
Father Mota, [who has since died], and he located a second-cousin of my dad,
living in Agua de Pau. 
 
   Unfortunatly when I went to St. Michael in 2004, the man, Jose Almeida
Tavares, was deceased, but I did meet his wife, Maria Tavares. She invited
us into her home like family. Once I explained who I was she touched my face
and began to cry. She said I had the "face of Tavares" and showed me several
old photos of her husband. I read somewhere in the group postings that the
Tavares' of Agua de Pau are famous for basket making. Well sure enough she
gave me a hand woven picnic basket that her husband made, to take home.
 
Since then we've returned to St. Michael 3 more times and always visit Mrs.
Tavares. Every Christmas we exchange Christmas cards and photos. 
 
Thanks again for all the help!
 
Bruce Tavares [btaz...@msn.com]

 

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:05:00 -0800
From: marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares of Agua de Pau
To: azores@googlegroups.com


Hi, 


You can see the original record here, as # 52
http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SMLAGAPB1870-1879/SMLAGA
PB1870-1879_item1/P191.html
 
Paternal grandson of Pedro Tavares and Miquelina de Jesus
Maternal grandson of João de Mello Bizarro and Tomasia da Encarnação



Marcio Borba 
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
 

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De: btaz...@msn.com 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares of Agua de Pau
Para: "Azores Genealogy" 
Data: Terça-feira, 30 de Novembro de 2010, 3:34


   Looking for info on my ancestors. My great-grandfather was Joao
Pedro Tavares. He was born in the village of Agua de Pau on the island
of St. Michael, Azores on June 12,1873. His father's name was Jose
Pedro Tavares. His mother's name was Elena Ignocencia do Coracao de
Jesus. He had three brothers. Pedro Tavares, who resided in
Bridgewater, Massachusetts, and Jose and Serafim Tavares who stayed in
the Azores. He immigrated to Fall River, Massachusetts approximately
in 1893. He married Maria Pereira, whom he met in Fall River. She was
born in Warwick, Bermuda. They had 8 children, including my
grandfather, Alfred Tavares, who died when my dad was 2 years old. The
only info I have is mostly from obituaries, and Joao Pedro Tavares'
baptismal record that I located in an old book in the library in St.
Michael a few years ago. I had it translated, and I obtained a lot of
information from this document. I grew up in Fall River, but never
heard a thing about my relatives in Bridgewater. I'd appreciate any
further information. Thanks!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help on a Holiday Portuguese Cake Recipe

[Linda Norton]

How interesting is that, anise seeds. The cake is dark brown on top, almost
black and green inside, almost spoiled looking and does have cracks on the
top.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norton
 
 
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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pat Nostrome
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:17 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help on a Holiday Portuguese Cake Recipe


Linda,
 
This is from the Jean Anderson book for Putrid Cake.  She says one of the
principal ingredients is erva-doce, a sweet herb that grows on the plains of
Alentejo and tastes like licorice.
She says podre also means "depraved" or "corrupt".
 
Hope this attachment comes closer.
 
Pat Anselmo Nostrome




-Original Message-
From: Linda Norton 
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 4:49 pm
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help on a Holiday Portuguese Cake Recipe


I tried that and it didn't seem to pull up what I was looking for. I think

the title was mixed up with the pronunciation because of my mom. It might be

Bola Podre. 



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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
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"E" Sharp

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 4:41 PM

To: azores@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help on a Holiday Portuguese Cake Recipe



Linda,



If you google Bolo Pao de Lo-Sponge Cake, you will see several variations of

the recipe and how to put it together.



"E"



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help on a Holiday Portuguese Cake Recipe

[Linda Norton]

I got the lemon but after that I lost it. It's more like Bola de Podre not
de Pao and Michele found Bolo Preto which maybe closer. I guess there are so
many of them I didn't realize.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
Linda

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 10:05 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help on a Holiday Portuguese Cake Recipe


Linda, my mom use to make it and is called Bread Pudim (Pudim de Pao) here's
the recipe that comes close to it. 


Pudim de Pão
Felicia Sampaio
Editora Culinária do Roteiro Gastronómico de Portugal


Ingredientes:
 

*   
12 gemas de ovos

*   
5 dl de leite gordo

*   
500 g de açúcar

*   
1 chávena de chá de manteiga

*   
1 cálice de vinho do Porto

*   
miolo de 2 carcaças

*   
casca de 1 limão

*   
canela em pó q.b.

*   
2 colheres de sopa de passas

*   
2 colheres de sopa de fruta cristalizada picada

Confecção:

Desfaz-se muito bem o miolo de pão com leite a ferver e casca de limão.
Deita-se depois o açúcar, mexendo muito bem até ligar, e, depois as gemas
uma a uma, a canela, as passas, a fruta, a manteiga e, por ultimo, o vinho
do Porto.
Mistura-se tudo muito bem.
Deita-se o preparado numa forma previamente untada com manteiga e vai ao
forno a cozer em banho-maria (também pode cozer no forno sem ser em
banho-maria) cerca de 50 minutos + ou -.


On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Linda Norton  wrote:


I'm going crazy looking for a Bolo Pao's recipe. It's not the Bolo Pao de
Lo-Sponge Cake one, it the one that's just made with a dozen eggs, sugar,
honey, oil and cinnamon. It's pretty heavy cake, looks almost black
throughout. I have it written down, but it's no showing me how to put it
together. Does anyone know of this particular cake?

It was my grandmother's favorite and I enjoyed it as well. Very rich of
course.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

 

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