Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Hello Russ, Sometime ago, you told that you are developing a module to create CF DSN using WSP. Are you still working on that? I raised this in a different thread but nobody replied http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:64703 :( Any ideas? Fyi websitepanel is more active now, 2.0 released this year and 2.1 currently in beta, supports Windows 2012. Do not use its ecommerce system though it is awful, but the rest of it works really well. We use it for all our Windows hosting and I also use it for cfmldeveloper.com Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk On 10 Jul 2013 15:21, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356169 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I did the following and everything seems fine now. -Open Administrative Tools-Event Viewer and if you see the following W3SVC-WP (IIS6) error messages: Thanks for the note, but my VPS seems to be having far greater problems than just this. I don't have Virtuozzo access, and anytime I try to access stuff through RD, it keeps bumping me off. I'd like to at least grab a copy of all my client's sites that I am hosting so I can move them myself, as it's pretty clear at this point that I need to find a new host. I've gotten nothing but the run-around from Greg, and frankly, at this point I have no faith that the problems are going to be fixed anytime soon. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299426 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
My RDC, sites, and VPC are down now. I can only hope this is the worse part in things usually get worse before they get better. But not providing some word, either through email or on the website is especially poor form. It looks like the VPC update just went terribly awry. I just he'd let us know something. Having problems is understandable, but my clients are only going to be so patient. Now I remember why I bought my own server and ran it in-house for the last 8 or so years. Rick -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I did the following and everything seems fine now. -Open Administrative Tools-Event Viewer and if you see the following W3SVC-WP (IIS6) error messages: Thanks for the note, but my VPS seems to be having far greater problems than just this. I don't have Virtuozzo access, and anytime I try to access stuff through RD, it keeps bumping me off. I'd like to at least grab a copy of all my client's sites that I am hosting so I can move them myself, as it's pretty clear at this point that I need to find a new host. I've gotten nothing but the run-around from Greg, and frankly, at this point I have no faith that the problems are going to be fixed anytime soon. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299439 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
AHPHosting.net is down, too. Michael D.: Any insights? I know AHP hosts your mail servers... Rick -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I did the following and everything seems fine now. -Open Administrative Tools-Event Viewer and if you see the following W3SVC-WP (IIS6) error messages: Thanks for the note, but my VPS seems to be having far greater problems than just this. I don't have Virtuozzo access, and anytime I try to access stuff through RD, it keeps bumping me off. I'd like to at least grab a copy of all my client's sites that I am hosting so I can move them myself, as it's pretty clear at this point that I need to find a new host. I've gotten nothing but the run-around from Greg, and frankly, at this point I have no faith that the problems are going to be fixed anytime soon. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299441 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Any word about progress in straightening out the problem? Rick -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I know that a Virtuozzo upgrade done with Virtuozzo's staff went bad and they've been working on it. While it looks really bad for AHP, it's something that is effecting a limited number of boxes. One client of mine ( http://www.800renewable.com) on a Virtuozzo based server was down and the machine was brought back up. The network is still going strong as HoF hasn't been down in any way. BTW, the client is 100% CF8 and it's designed to look so 'plain'. On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299457 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I know that a Virtuozzo upgrade done with Virtuozzo's staff went bad and they've been working on it. While it looks really bad for AHP, it's something that is effecting a limited number of boxes. One client of mine ( http://www.800renewable.com) on a Virtuozzo based server was down and the machine was brought back up. The network is still going strong as HoF hasn't been down in any way. BTW, the client is 100% CF8 and it's designed to look so 'plain'. On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AHPHosting.net is down, too. Michael D.: Any insights? I know AHP hosts your mail servers... Rick -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I did the following and everything seems fine now. -Open Administrative Tools-Event Viewer and if you see the following W3SVC-WP (IIS6) error messages: Thanks for the note, but my VPS seems to be having far greater problems than just this. I don't have Virtuozzo access, and anytime I try to access stuff through RD, it keeps bumping me off. I'd like to at least grab a copy of all my client's sites that I am hosting so I can move them myself, as it's pretty clear at this point that I need to find a new host. I've gotten nothing but the run-around from Greg, and frankly, at this point I have no faith that the problems are going to be fixed anytime soon. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299450 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Anyone notice any change in the status of their RDC, VPC, or sites with AHP? Nothing so far for me... Rick -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Any word about progress in straightening out the problem? Rick -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I know that a Virtuozzo upgrade done with Virtuozzo's staff went bad and they've been working on it. While it looks really bad for AHP, it's something that is effecting a limited number of boxes. One client of mine ( http://www.800renewable.com) on a Virtuozzo based server was down and the machine was brought back up. The network is still going strong as HoF hasn't been down in any way. BTW, the client is 100% CF8 and it's designed to look so 'plain'. On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299471 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I run my own mail server (but was thinking about switching to AHP for that...ha...), but I see the wisdom of having my mail run from a different place from my sites, just so my clients can get through to me if there's a problem with their sites. I just godaddy as my registrar and may just go back to using them for my email. Many of my clients use their email without issue. Rick -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? But not providing some word, either through email or on the website is especially poor form. Exactly. I had a lot of trouble just getting him on the phone. Yesterday afternoon he said he was preparing something to put up on the list, but that hasn't showed up either. We've just been left in the dark wondering what is going on and when it's going to be fixed. I just he'd let us know something. Having problems is understandable, but my clients are only going to be so patient. Mine is pretty much gone at this point. He was really giving me a great price on my hosting which was why I was willing to wait it out for awhile, but this is just too much. The biggest problem I'm having right now is reliably getting my email...I'm using the email forwarding through EditDNS but that just does not work well, and I have no idea what customer emails I may or may not be getting. If I could get email forwarding working I could probably wait it out a little longer...does anyone know a really *reliable* way of doing this? Maybe a similar DNS hosting service that has email forwarding that actually works? --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299473 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
But not providing some word, either through email or on the website is especially poor form. Exactly. I had a lot of trouble just getting him on the phone. Yesterday afternoon he said he was preparing something to put up on the list, but that hasn't showed up either. We've just been left in the dark wondering what is going on and when it's going to be fixed. I just he'd let us know something. Having problems is understandable, but my clients are only going to be so patient. Mine is pretty much gone at this point. He was really giving me a great price on my hosting which was why I was willing to wait it out for awhile, but this is just too much. The biggest problem I'm having right now is reliably getting my email...I'm using the email forwarding through EditDNS but that just does not work well, and I have no idea what customer emails I may or may not be getting. If I could get email forwarding working I could probably wait it out a little longer...does anyone know a really *reliable* way of doing this? Maybe a similar DNS hosting service that has email forwarding that actually works? --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299463 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I see the wisdom of having my mail run from a different place from my sites, just so my clients can get through to me if there's a problem with their sites. Yeah, if I could find a relatively cheap option for doing this, I'd be set. I just godaddy as my registrar and may just go back to using them for my email. Many of my clients use their email without issue. I'm not sure their email would work for me, I really need something where I can easily do multiple domains, aliases, etc. like a true mail server does. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299483 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Greg's running on about 8 hours sleep since Friday, and as you might expect, he's trying to answer at least some e-mails while still working on the problem. That's not an excuse. Just another bit of information. There's now a thread specifically about the AHP problem. I posted a note from Greg there. And that would probably be a better place to continue the conversation about AHP (although this conversation has moved on to DNS and mail issues, too). -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 1735 Johnson Road NE Atlanta, GA 30306 404.589.0560 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299488 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
-Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? My server is little used and has tons of free space if you need to set something up temporarily (I've got Windows 2003, IIS 6, CF 7 Pro). I'm working from home today so I could give you access pretty quickly. Mine is pretty much gone at this point. He was really giving me a great price on my hosting which was why I was willing to wait it out for awhile, but this is just too much. The biggest problem I'm having right now is reliably getting my email...I'm using the email forwarding through EditDNS but that just does not work well, and I have no idea what customer emails I may or may not be getting. If I could get email forwarding working I could probably wait it out a little longer...does anyone know a really *reliable* way of doing this? Maybe a similar DNS hosting service that has email forwarding that actually works? I host/manage all of my domains at http://www.namesdirect.com/ - they do basic DNS, email forwarding, etc. I then point to my own DNS server. The big issue would be DNS propagation but that's a matter of hours for the vast majority (and if you've been down for days...). I'm pretty sure it's all free service (they want you to pay them for renewals) but I've been using them for years and never had a problem (I've got 19 domains with them). Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I run my own DNS and mail settings (for the domains that use their mail) right through a DNS manager. I haven't had any problems so far. I think I'll take the secondary email address I use, whose domain is hosted at GoDaddy, and change my email for that address from my mail server to GoDaddy and see how it goes. I know this is all OT for the list, Michael... but it's sure is therapeutic for those of us who are fretting over AHP's problems. Thanks to you (and everyone else on the list) for letting us console one another! Rick -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I see the wisdom of having my mail run from a different place from my sites, just so my clients can get through to me if there's a problem with their sites. Yeah, if I could find a relatively cheap option for doing this, I'd be set. I just godaddy as my registrar and may just go back to using them for my email. Many of my clients use their email without issue. I'm not sure their email would work for me, I really need something where I can easily do multiple domains, aliases, etc. like a true mail server does. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299495 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
When you connect via RD, does everything appear to be functioning properly on the server? Can you connect to your site via localhost directly on the server? CF Service running? Can you ping the server from your workstation? Just trying to think of ways to help... Rick -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I'm completely down, no RD, no sites coming up, no email since that's hosted from the server as well. That is a bummer... Seriously...10 pm and *still* not back up. That's after being down all day yesterday too. RD seems to working now but nothing else yet. At least now I've got a temporary copy of my site up to let people know I haven't just disappeared and have email forwarding in place as well. I don't really feel like moving all my sites to a new VPS host right now, so I'll probably stay put for the time being (I may feel differently if I'm still down this time tomorrow!) but I definitely can't see myself recommending them again for a LONG time. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299324 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
When you connect via RD, does everything appear to be functioning properly on the server? Can you connect to your site via localhost directly on the server? CF Service running? Can you ping the server from your workstation? My server is set up to use Plesk control panel so all the sites go through that. Yeah, I know it's kind of sucky, but I'm hosting a bunch of sites for family members, some of which also use Frontpage Extensions, so was an easy way to go, and I generally am able to work around some of its annoying limitations. But in this case, it seems that the Plesk installation got fried in the whole update process as well and I still can't get any response from my host about what is going on, if he is working on it, how long that will be, etc. So I'm getting a backup of my site up in another location as soon as I can. --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299346 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I am back up. The remote desktop was fine, but my sites were getting a 'Service Unavailable'. The following fixed it http://forum.swsoft.com/showthread.php?t=17581 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299357 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I am back up. The remote desktop was fine, but my sites were getting a 'Service Unavailable'. The following fixed it http://forum.swsoft. com/showthread.php?t=17581 Which one? There are 3 different ones mentioned in that thread. Really though, a simple fix probably isn't going to do it, the Plesk on my server just really seems hosed. --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299363 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I did the following and everything seems fine now. -Open Administrative Tools-Event Viewer and if you see the following W3SVC-WP (IIS6) error messages: - Could not load all ISAPI filters for site/service. Therefore startup aborted -Remove filter from IIS manager: (Web Sites-Properties-ISAPI filters plus disable that filter in Web Server Extentions). -Restart IIS completed OK. Which one? There are 3 different ones mentioned in that thread. Really though, a simple fix probably isn't going to do it, the Plesk on my server just really seems hosed. --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I've been using CT for quite a few years now (2000?) and have been happy with them. Until recently. Under CF7, the $17/month plan gave you access to SQL Server. However, if you want to upgrade to CF8, you either have to pay for a higher-end plan or migrate off of SQL Server. So, I was going to start migrating some code to mySQL, but CT has a permission setting that won't allow you to use the mySQL-equivalent of getdate() as a default value for a column. That, of course, means I would have to change a lot of code just to go to CF8. Maybe I shouldn't expect SQL Server with the $17 plan, but since I already have that, I certainly didn't expect to lose SQL server just to upgrade to CF8. So, the upgrade is on-hold, and I'll probably change hosts when I have to move to 8. -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299266 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Not to threadjack (since this doesn't meet the OP's requirements), but i'll throw out another recommendation for AHP. I pulled the trigger on their VPS a couple of months ago after being on shared hosting forever. It's a welcome change. Ironically, after posting a recommendation for AHP, my VPS server has been down for over 24 hours now due to some problem with the virtualization software upgrade. I am pretty understanding of things sometimes going wrong and being beyond your control, and supposedly he does have SWSoft techs there working on the problem, but it's still pretty annoying, and I'm beginning to wonder just *how* long it is going to take for them to get the servers back up again. Anyone back up yet? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299265 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
I was just about to say that I'm down with AHP, but, although the sites are sluggish coming up, they are coming up. I can't access the Virtuozzo Control Panel, but that doesn't concern my much, because most everything I do is done through the Remote Desktop Connection, anyway, and I can still access the RDC. I'm pretty understanding about problems with upgrades also, because I've been running my own server in-house since CF 4.5 came out (and it's still running well!) and I know that upgrades and hardware issues will always occur. It's interesting, however, that what we're talking about here is Virtualized systems. If I were in Greg's shoes, and it were at all practical and feasible. I'd create new virtualized systems that are not in use, making sure they run properly first, before updating any live virtualized systems. Doing that with virtualized systems wouldn't involve more hardware, etc., so the cost should be minimal and would most certainly cut down on production disruption. But I'm sure he knows a *ton* more about what he's doing than I do. There just must have been something completely unexpected that occurred. I hope everyone gets back online soon! Are you sites down or is it just that your VCP isn't accessible? Rick -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Not to threadjack (since this doesn't meet the OP's requirements), but i'll throw out another recommendation for AHP. I pulled the trigger on their VPS a couple of months ago after being on shared hosting forever. It's a welcome change. Ironically, after posting a recommendation for AHP, my VPS server has been down for over 24 hours now due to some problem with the virtualization software upgrade. I am pretty understanding of things sometimes going wrong and being beyond your control, and supposedly he does have SWSoft techs there working on the problem, but it's still pretty annoying, and I'm beginning to wonder just *how* long it is going to take for them to get the servers back up again. Anyone back up yet? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299268 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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The upgraded License Agreement in CF8 (with regards to VPS's at least) make it considerably more expensive to offer in a web hosting environment then CF7 was. In CT's defense (which is odd coming from me) I would assume that the money that used to be going to pay for MS SQL Server is now being spent on CF8. Just a guess though. Contrary to popular belief, profit margins for hosting companies are actually quite small, so money has to be managed very carefully. Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ BlueDragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Brady wrote: I've been using CT for quite a few years now (2000?) and have been happy with them. Until recently. Under CF7, the $17/month plan gave you access to SQL Server. However, if you want to upgrade to CF8, you either have to pay for a higher-end plan or migrate off of SQL Server. So, I was going to start migrating some code to mySQL, but CT has a permission setting that won't allow you to use the mySQL-equivalent of getdate() as a default value for a column. That, of course, means I would have to change a lot of code just to go to CF8. Maybe I shouldn't expect SQL Server with the $17 plan, but since I already have that, I certainly didn't expect to lose SQL server just to upgrade to CF8. So, the upgrade is on-hold, and I'll probably change hosts when I have to move to 8. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299277 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Scott Brady wrote: I've been using CT for quite a few years now (2000?) and have been happy with them. Until recently. Under CF7, the $17/month plan gave you access to SQL Server. However, if you want to upgrade to CF8, you either have to pay for a higher-end plan or migrate off of SQL Server. So, I was going to start migrating some code to mySQL, but CT has a permission setting that won't allow you to use the mySQL-equivalent of getdate() as a default value for a column. That, of course, means I would have to change a lot of code just to go to CF8. That'll learn you to use non-standard functionality =) -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299279 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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I was totally down earlier. Now I can remote desktop to the server, but all my sites get 'Service Unavailable'. I was just about to say that I'm down with AHP, but, although the sites are sluggish coming up, they are coming up. Still down here. Really sucks, as Mondays are typically my busiest day. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299281 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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I was just about to say that I'm down with AHP, but, although the sites are sluggish coming up, they are coming up. Still down here. Really sucks, as Mondays are typically my busiest day. I'd create new virtualized systems that are not in use, making sure they run properly first, before updating any live virtualized systems. Doing that with virtualized systems wouldn't involve more hardware, etc., so the cost should be minimal and would most certainly cut down on production disruption. Yup, I do find it hard to believe that better planning could not have prevented this. He did mention when I talked to him on the phone yesterday that part of the issue was in the SWSoft upgrade process that did not have proper rollback methods so a quick backup restore was not possible...yet another reason why as you say such things really should tested thoroughly first. I do know he had SWSoft techs there to help with the upgrades and in case anything went wrong...but clearly that is not helping all that much. Are you sites down or is it just that your VCP isn't accessible? I'm completely down, no RD, no sites coming up, no email since that's hosted from the server as well. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299278 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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I'm completely down, no RD, no sites coming up, no email since that's hosted from the server as well. That is a bummer... -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 1:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I was just about to say that I'm down with AHP, but, although the sites are sluggish coming up, they are coming up. Still down here. Really sucks, as Mondays are typically my busiest day. I'd create new virtualized systems that are not in use, making sure they run properly first, before updating any live virtualized systems. Doing that with virtualized systems wouldn't involve more hardware, etc., so the cost should be minimal and would most certainly cut down on production disruption. Yup, I do find it hard to believe that better planning could not have prevented this. He did mention when I talked to him on the phone yesterday that part of the issue was in the SWSoft upgrade process that did not have proper rollback methods so a quick backup restore was not possible...yet another reason why as you say such things really should tested thoroughly first. I do know he had SWSoft techs there to help with the upgrades and in case anything went wrong...but clearly that is not helping all that much. Are you sites down or is it just that your VCP isn't accessible? I'm completely down, no RD, no sites coming up, no email since that's hosted from the server as well. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299283 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I'm completely down, no RD, no sites coming up, no email since that's hosted from the server as well. That is a bummer... Seriously...10 pm and *still* not back up. That's after being down all day yesterday too. RD seems to working now but nothing else yet. At least now I've got a temporary copy of my site up to let people know I haven't just disappeared and have email forwarding in place as well. I don't really feel like moving all my sites to a new VPS host right now, so I'll probably stay put for the time being (I may feel differently if I'm still down this time tomorrow!) but I definitely can't see myself recommending them again for a LONG time. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299321 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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If you wanna deal with crap like this, CT can help you. They charged us for a domain name change. It was a bit odd because, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED OUR DOMAIN NAME! :) Oh, and when I renewed our SSL cert, they created a new one, and charged us for both a renewal AND a new one. Now you see one of the reasons I'm moving. :) Hell Sir, I have confirmed that the name change was done in error on your account, I apologize for the inconvience, we are removing this charge from the account and applying credit for the charge. As for the SSL certification, the Sales Department can assist you with the questions pertaining to the certificate. I am forwarding this ticket to the Sales Department to assist you now that we have resolved the name change issue. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Thank you, x xx CrystalTech Web Hosting, Inc. If you want me to post more of these I have others. :) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299229 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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I used Viux for many years. VPS for $75/mo up to 30 domains. CF7, Plesk interface and RDP. Good service -- no extra charges for support of any kind. All tags enabled. I am now moving everything to EnterHost. From about $250 for a CF8 dedicated box (I'm going for the $300 option) with no domain limit. Plesk is $optional. I prefer RDP anyway. When we hit the 50 site mark, at $300/mo that puts each site at $6/mo. Mik At 07:24 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299233 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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I'll add my $.02 for CF Dynamics. We've been using them for a couple of years with good results. They are very knowledgeable and the support is good. N . .. Nick Gleason | CitySoft, Inc. | http://www.citysoft.com Direct: (617) 899-5395 | Fax: (617) 507-0444 Spend Less Do More - Community Enterprise combines great features with an affordable price. . .. -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx If you want crap support with crap answers to basic CF questions, go for CT. They're perfect! If you want folks settin' up mappings that screw up your sites, go for CT. If you want real CF guys backin' you up, go with HostMySite. It's like night and day. Been switchin all my stuff over to HMS lately to a HMS VPS. Love it! :) Will ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299237 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I'll add my $.02 for CF Dynamics. We've been using them for a couple of years with good results. They are very knowledgeable and the support is good. +2 on CFDynamics. I've hosted a few sites (both personal and professional) with them and have generally been impressed with their service and support. If you pay for a year in advance the monthly costs are around $16/month - including SQLServer etc. They're also pretty good about allowing Createobject. Typically you just have to request createObject/cfobject etc. regards, larry ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299240 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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www.AHPHosting.net - Regularly $79.99 per month ($69.99 with coupon + $10 extra per month for 10 GB extra hard disk space) - VPS - Windows 2003 Enterprise - Virtuozzo Control Panel (Recently Updated) - Plesk Control Panel - Intel Quad Core - 20 GB Hard Drive Space (I bought 10 extra GB at 1.00 per Gig per month) - 250 GB Bandwidth per month - MSSQL 2000 or 2005 - 100 MB shard database allowance - Nightly Backup - Unlimited Domains - Remote Desktop Connection - Total Access Control over Server - CF 8 - All CF 8 Tags/Functions Enabled - 5 Dedicated IP's - No Charge for Support - Start Stop Server Anytime You Need - Serv-U FTP Server (Now the site says FileZilla FTP Server) - Smarter Tools Bundle (SmarterMail, SmarterFTP, SmarterStats -Original Message- From: Mik Muller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? I used Viux for many years. VPS for $75/mo up to 30 domains. CF7, Plesk interface and RDP. Good service -- no extra charges for support of any kind. All tags enabled. I am now moving everything to EnterHost. From about $250 for a CF8 dedicated box (I'm going for the $300 option) with no domain limit. Plesk is $optional. I prefer RDP anyway. When we hit the 50 site mark, at $300/mo that puts each site at $6/mo. Mik ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299247 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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http://www.hostingfuse.com/ An Australian (Perth) Based company. - CF 8, 3 domains default, but you can add as many as you like. @ $100(AUD) per year its not bad. Having said that, their mail server has gone down a few times. - Annoying. But its still good for the price. Support is good, i suggest logging a ticket then following it up with a call. And while im at it, someone from Adobe isn't doing their job. - www.webcentral.com.au Australias largest Hosting Provider, is still running CF 7 (7.0.1 actually) How about pushing them for the upgrade? Adobe sales team is getting a bit lax there... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299249 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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-Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? www.AHPHosting.net That is damn impressive. I've been considering a move and this is definitely something to think about. (I do like CT a lot but they don't provide CF on their dedicated boxes and I can't really afford an upgrade... then again I don't really NEED an upgrade either.) Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299250 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I am having very nice exp. with http://www.hostingatoz.com . I am hosting a few CF Personal sites with them for years. Everything is great, prices, support etc. but they don't have CF 8 as yet else highly recommended. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299248 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Feb 17, 2008 7:44 PM, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? www.AHPHosting.net That is damn impressive. I've been considering a move and this is definitely something to think about. (I do like CT a lot but they don't provide CF on their dedicated boxes and I can't really afford an upgrade... then again I don't really NEED an upgrade either.) Not to threadjack (since this doesn't meet the OP's requirements), but i'll throw out another recommendation for AHP. I pulled the trigger on their VPS a couple of months ago after being on shared hosting forever. It's a welcome change. 10GB (the original allocation) might be a bit low, as I ate up about 45% of that in just installing SQL Server, so I'll probably make like Rick and spring for a few extra gigs. Greg (the owner) has been nothing but *extremely* helpful since I made the transition. He made a point of saying that since he doesn't force his customers into a contract, he has to make sure to work month to month to ensure their repeat business. He does, and he's got mine. -- Evelyn the dog, having undergone further modification pondered the significance of short-person behaviour in pedal depressed, pan-chromatic resonance, and other highly ambient domains. Arf, she said. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299252 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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They have an excellent customer knowledgebase and support information and support ticket system but would clearly rather limit human interaction to a minimum. Actually they don't, one of my partners still has a dedicated box there and I have to deal with them all the time and they are a complete nightmare. I would sure like to know what this excellent support system is Last week he had an issue and asked me to call them and see what the deal was but I didn't have the ticket # and their excellent support system couldn't even look it up by the customer account and after making it quite clear to me in a very unprofessional manner that I couldn't expect them to and I told him that HMS has no such problems and it is a rather easy thing for them to do and the idiot hung up on me... nice service. So 5 hours later when his plane landed and he got to his hotel and got into his email and got me the ticket # and another 45 minutes on the phone with another idiot and a $150 charge to his account they were actually able to restart the server. Great service, I wish I had them To this end they have a very feature-rich, constantly evolving control panel, one that allows me to perform many tasks that I might otherwise have to submit a request for. I have been in that panel and its ok but still not as nice as others. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about... one of the fundamental aspects of CrystalTech (and many other hosts) is that YOU run your business. They do everything they can to ensure that your customers are NOT aware that you're hosting at CrystalTech. They're customer control centers are generically branded as all customer-facing services - they abstract themselves out of the picture as a feature. LOL, you don't know what I am talking about? Ok so lets say you get on a plane to hawaii and soon as you board the plane your server goes down, well guess what.. its down for for quite a long time before you have any idea and so your customers sites are down as well and nothing can be done until you land and someone tells you which could be 12 hours later. Now that might be ok for you Jim, but its not ok for me! I make it a HUGE deal to my customers to let them know who and where is hosting their site and I make sure they have all the info they need in case they can't find me but can call the host to get something fixed. Personally, I want them them to know WTF is going on with their site and have abilities to get things fixed if something goes wrong and I can't be contacted. After all, it is THEIR web site and they are paying the bills. IMO, there is absolutely no reason in the world to not add that extra layer of protection. To me the way you do it is just another way for you to make money off of your clients, while that is good for you it's not so good for customers. I pay the extra money and pocket less out of the hosting to ensure things are going right. Now you might not have had any problems or maybe you have, i dunno but we just don't agree on biz models. and criticizing them for it seems silly. So for example last week derricks server goes down and since its at ct he cant get it restarted and it takes them several hours to get it back up and going, thats just damn silly aint it Jim. Not to mention all the damn hoops we had to jump through just to verify the account, now maybe it is just me but it shouldnt matter who the hell calls it in, if the damn server is down then get it back on, which was something that their techs just couldnt understand. But problem is that when people on here ask for hosting opinions they dont usually ask if the plans are managed or unmanaged. I know you love CT but I have yet to have a good experience with them, I havent dealt with them a lot but the 30 or so times I have were nightmarish. I can only relay my personal experience... and my personal experience has been excellent. And I will respect that Jim. And I can only relay my personal experience and that of approx 15 other ppl that I know who have used them and have had detailed conversations with me about them. And a lot of those were customers of their and everyone of them have thanked me time after time for taking them to HMS. And my personally experience with has been nothing less than pathetic. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299184 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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-Original Message- From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? They have an excellent customer knowledgebase and support information and support ticket system but would clearly rather limit human interaction to a minimum. Actually they don't, one of my partners still has a dedicated box there and I have to deal with them all the time and they are a complete nightmare. Well then they don't Dave. As we've come to expect all other opinions are incorrect because you're experience differs. Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299190 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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I have a dedicated server at CrystalTech and I think they've been fantastic. No they're not going to hold your hand and teach you everything you need to know about managing DNS and IIS but you're supposed to be grown up enough to RTFM on your own. I've only ever had a few issues, they were quickly and professionally addressed, and I like very much having full control over my own first class webserver. CrystalTech rocks. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299191 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299205 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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This place? http://www.sozohosting.com/ On Feb 16, 2008 3:44 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299206 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Hah... love those messy wiring jobs they proudly made part of their site design. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? This place? http://www.sozohosting.com/ On Feb 16, 2008 3:44 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299207 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Yup. -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? This place? http://www.sozohosting.com/ On Feb 16, 2008 3:44 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299208 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Never mind then. On Feb 16, 2008 4:00 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup. -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? This place? http://www.sozohosting.com/ On Feb 16, 2008 3:44 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299209 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Well thank god Jim that I won't have to much longer! He's had it with them and is moving over to my xserve at hms. I think their charge of $950 to make a virtual mapping was the last straw, which btw~ they couldn't even do right after trying for 3 days(pathetic). I actually had him call up HMS and they walked him through how to do it himself in 3 minutes and he wasn't even their customer. Some people just expect better better things I wasn't saying you were incorrect just asking about things you mentioned as I have surely never seen the good aspects of them. Or when some asks about hosting and you go off on how cheap CT is compared to HMS and then the person thinks thats that wow they are this much cheaper but what they don't understand is that one is a managed server and one is not. Now if you had actually thought about that you'd realize that if someone is asking about hosting on here then chances are pretty damn good that they aren't qualified to be running a server themselves. And so when you tell them how cheap your server is and if they go get it then find themselves completely f*cked when they have signed a contract for the server but cant run it and then have to pay huge amounts of $$ to ct to get help which in the end costs them tons more. And your lil quote below is exactly how you are as well Well then they don't Dave. As we've come to expect all other opinions are incorrect because you're experience differs. Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299213 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Dave, as a fairly impartial observer, talking general professional and personal respect, you aren't going to win this one against Jim, I don't think. Lol! On Feb 16, 2008 5:51 PM, Dave l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And your lil quote below is exactly how you are as well Well then they don't Dave. As we've come to expect all other opinions are incorrect because you're experience differs. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299214 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Now that I think about it. That was rather snarky. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299215 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Gerald, What was snarky? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Now that I think about it. That was rather snarky. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299216 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Your comment? On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald, What was snarky? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Now that I think about it. That was rather snarky. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299217 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Did some research, found that they didn't have weekend/evening support, reported back to the list. Does 'snarky' mean 'informative'? The word doesn't sound like a nice word, so I thought it meant something else. Sorry to you if I offended. This topic has appeared to be a sensitive, controversial or inflammatory subject for some of the people on this list. I personally have been trying to keep out of the 'hot' stuff and stay more in the Joe Friday 'Just the facts, ma'am' arena of things. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Your comment? On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald, What was snarky? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Now that I think about it. That was rather snarky. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299218 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I'm not trying to win jerry, just showing that myself along with lots of other people on here have had issues with them above and beyond what would be acceptable. The only people I have seen who speak up for ct are on their own boxes, you don't see many people on their shared servers speak up at all. And when people come on and ask for cheap hosting and people come on and give recommendations of cheap servers but don't give any info on that fact that yes they are cheap but they also don't include any support and really anyone who is looking for cheap hosting probably will need all the support that they can get in which case a cheap server really isn't in there best interest. you can get a plain jane cheap unmanaged server anywere, it's the support when you need it that in my book is where I prefer to be covered. Or like I said before... if i cant be reached and there is a problem I want my customers to know they are covered. Now would you host with someone would tell you that they are running mysql server 2000 and not just once as in a oopsy but as in several times, even after informing them that no such product exists and all that after waiting over 45 minutes on hold to talk to them? Not too mention most of the actual coldfusion team will not host there, too me that says something. While what Jim does is great for him I don't think it would be good for someone who needs hand holding on a server. Obviously, he can recommend whatever he wants but he should also add the facts to it because most people will assume that ct's ded boxes are comparable to hms ded boxes and they aren't, one includes support one doesn't but the average person asking doesn't know that. And personally, if i took jims recommendation and went to ct and signed a contract and then found out I had no support I would be pissed as hell at jim. So if by losing you mean that if someone reads this and has a boner over a $120 a month dedicated box (which I would also assume jim has a cfm license for which isnt included in that cost) and it helps keep them from getting into a major mess, then I am fine with that. I would rather have the facts out there to help them out see how has the cheapest server... and after all.. you get what what you pay for. Dave, as a fairly impartial observer, talking general professional and personal respect, you aren't going to win this one against Jim, I don't think. Lol! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299219 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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you might want to look at Sozo. Best of luck On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did some research, found that they didn't have weekend/evening support, reported back to the list. Does 'snarky' mean 'informative'? The word doesn't sound like a nice word, so I thought it meant something else. Sorry to you if I offended. This topic has appeared to be a sensitive, controversial or inflammatory subject for some of the people on this list. I personally have been trying to keep out of the 'hot' stuff and stay more in the Joe Friday 'Just the facts, ma'am' arena of things. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Your comment? On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald, What was snarky? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Now that I think about it. That was rather snarky. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk
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Never mind... Took it as a slight. A bit bitchy today. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did some research, found that they didn't have weekend/evening support, reported back to the list. Does 'snarky' mean 'informative'? The word doesn't sound like a nice word, so I thought it meant something else. Sorry to you if I offended. This topic has appeared to be a sensitive, controversial or inflammatory subject for some of the people on this list. I personally have been trying to keep out of the 'hot' stuff and stay more in the Joe Friday 'Just the facts, ma'am' arena of things. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Your comment? On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald, What was snarky? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Now that I think about it. That was rather snarky. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net
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+1 for CrystalTech. I've been using them for quite a while. Very nice host. Chris On Feb 15, 2008 6:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299222 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Weird... On Feb 16, 2008 12:35 AM, Dave l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure you can get a cheap server there and get 0 support. And when you do need support (talking about crystal tech) they will ream the crap out of you in charges. Crystal Tech has never charged *me* for support, and every time I've had to call (which isn't often) I've gotten someone competent on the line who's willing to help me out. -- http://cjordan.us ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299223 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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oops... I got over zealous with the delete key there. I originally went on to say that I pay roughly $200/year Chris On Feb 16, 2008 11:17 PM, Chris Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Weird... On Feb 16, 2008 12:35 AM, Dave l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure you can get a cheap server there and get 0 support. And when you do need support (talking about crystal tech) they will ream the crap out of you in charges. Crystal Tech has never charged *me* for support, and every time I've had to call (which isn't often) I've gotten someone competent on the line who's willing to help me out. -- http://cjordan.us -- http://cjordan.us ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299224 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Feb 16, 2008 3:28 AM, Dave l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have an excellent customer knowledgebase and support information and support ticket system but would clearly rather limit human interaction to a minimum. Actually they don't, one of my partners still has a dedicated box there and I have to deal with them all the time and they are a complete nightmare. I would sure like to know what this excellent support system is Last week he had an issue and asked me to call them and see what the deal was but I didn't have the ticket # and their excellent support system couldn't even look it up by the customer account and after making it quite clear to me in a very unprofessional manner that I couldn't expect them to and I told him that HMS has no such problems and it is a rather easy thing for them to do and the idiot hung up on me... nice service. So 5 hours later when his plane landed and he got to his hotel and got into his email and got me the ticket # and another 45 minutes on the phone with another idiot and a $150 charge to his account they were actually able to restart the server. Great service, I wish I had them Actually, it sounds like you may have gotten back what you gave. What constructive purpose does it serve to start throwing some other hosting company's name around, and saying, Well... so-and-so doesn't have a problem with yadda-yadda-yadda. After having been in the support center service myself in the past (thankfully no longer), I've come to realize that I don't get much of anywhere if I act like an asshole on the phone. I've had none of these bad experiences with CT tech support. Never had problems with ticket numbers either. Can't say as I ever had to have one. If I did, then to the best of my knowledge, the guy on the phone opened the ticket for me, handled the call and was done with it. I still say +1 for CrystalTech, but as is obvious with pretty much *anything* YMMV. ;o) Chris To this end they have a very feature-rich, constantly evolving control panel, one that allows me to perform many tasks that I might otherwise have to submit a request for. I have been in that panel and its ok but still not as nice as others. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about... one of the fundamental aspects of CrystalTech (and many other hosts) is that YOU run your business. They do everything they can to ensure that your customers are NOT aware that you're hosting at CrystalTech. They're customer control centers are generically branded as all customer-facing services - they abstract themselves out of the picture as a feature. LOL, you don't know what I am talking about? Ok so lets say you get on a plane to hawaii and soon as you board the plane your server goes down, well guess what.. its down for for quite a long time before you have any idea and so your customers sites are down as well and nothing can be done until you land and someone tells you which could be 12 hours later. Now that might be ok for you Jim, but its not ok for me! I make it a HUGE deal to my customers to let them know who and where is hosting their site and I make sure they have all the info they need in case they can't find me but can call the host to get something fixed. Personally, I want them them to know WTF is going on with their site and have abilities to get things fixed if something goes wrong and I can't be contacted. After all, it is THEIR web site and they are paying the bills. IMO, there is absolutely no reason in the world to not add that extra layer of protection. To me the way you do it is just another way for you to make money off of your clients, while that is good for you it's not so good for customers. I pay the extra money and pocket less out of the hosting to ensure things are going right. Now you might not have had any problems or maybe you have, i dunno but we just don't agree on biz models. and criticizing them for it seems silly. So for example last week derricks server goes down and since its at ct he cant get it restarted and it takes them several hours to get it back up and going, thats just damn silly aint it Jim. Not to mention all the damn hoops we had to jump through just to verify the account, now maybe it is just me but it shouldnt matter who the hell calls it in, if the damn server is down then get it back on, which was something that their techs just couldnt understand. But problem is that when people on here ask for hosting opinions they dont usually ask if the plans are managed or unmanaged. I know you love CT but I have yet to have a good experience with them, I havent dealt with them a lot but the 30 or so times I have were nightmarish. I can only relay my personal experience... and my personal experience has been excellent. And I will respect that Jim. And I can only relay my personal experience and that of approx 15 other ppl that I know who have used them and have had detailed
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On Feb 16, 2008 10:04 PM, Dave l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not trying to win jerry, just showing that myself along with lots of other people on here have had issues with them above and beyond what would be acceptable. The only people I have seen who speak up for ct are on their own boxes, you don't see many people on their shared servers speak up at all. I'm on a shared server, and I love 'em. Sorry Dave. And when people come on and ask for cheap hosting... Remember that the original poster *asked about CrystalTech specifically*. His post, also indicated (to me at least) that he'd done some research already on his own and kept coming up with CrystalTech. and people come on and give recommendations of cheap servers but don't give any info on that fact that yes they are cheap but they also don't include any support and really anyone who is looking for cheap hosting probably will need all the support that they can get in which case a cheap server really isn't in there best interest. you can get a plain jane cheap unmanaged server anywere, it's the support when you need it that in my book is where I prefer to be covered. Well, that' your book. The original poster said *nothing* about support in his criteria for his own personal holy grail of hosting. I (again this could just be me) take that to mean that William is a big boy and can take care of his own support. He also *specifically* mentioned that he wanted shared hosting. So all this talk about unmanaged, dedicated boxes is not really what he was looking for, right? Or like I said before... if i cant be reached and there is a problem I want my customers to know they are covered. again, not one of the original poster's concerns. He listed his concerns very clearly. This wasn't one of them. Now would you host with someone would tell you that they are running mysql server 2000 and not just once as in a oopsy but as in several times, even after informing them that no such product exists and all that after waiting over 45 minutes on hold to talk to them? So, you've never misspoken before? Wow, you're really super critical. Did you also correct the reps. grammar while you were at it? Not too mention most of the actual coldfusion team will not host there, too me that says something. What do you mean by that? Who is the actual coldfusion team. I'm assuming this an eat-your-own-dog-food thing... what's your source? While what Jim does is great for him I don't think it would be good for someone who needs hand holding on a server. What makes you judge the original poster in this way? At what point did you decide that he needed his hand held? His list of what he was looking for in a hosting company was, again, very clear... and hand holding was not mentioned. Sounds to me like the guy knows how to take care of himself. Obviously, he can recommend whatever he wants but he should also add the facts to it because most people will assume that ct's ded boxes are comparable to hms ded boxes and they aren't, one includes support one doesn't but the average person asking doesn't know that. And personally, if i took jims recommendation and went to ct and signed a contract and then found out I had no support I would be pissed as hell at jim. If you took one person's suggestion without doing anymore homework, or if you asked for suggestions on a host and support was *really* important to you, but you failed to mention that, then I'd say you were the fool and should be pissed at yourself for not doing more homework. Do you like, *work* for HMS? Also, Jim never once in any of this compared Crystal Tech to HMS. You did that. So if by losing you mean that if someone reads this and has a boner over a $120 a month dedicated box (which I would also assume jim has a cfm license for which isnt included in that cost) and it helps keep them from getting into a major mess, then I am fine with that. I would rather have the facts out there to help them out see how has the cheapest server... and after all.. you get what what you pay for. You keep talking about 'facts', but you're only using anecdotal evidence (which is what we are all doing), but when someone else's experience differs from yours you dismiss what they said as 'non-fact', and instead substitute your own anecdotal evidence as fact. Which is exactly what Jim was getting at when he said, As we've come to expect all other opinions are incorrect because you're experience differs. I'm afraid that's how you're coming across even if you don't mean to. Also, there's nothing to win in this. We should all just grow-up a bit. *steps off soapbox* Chris ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299226
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On Feb 16, 2008 9:46 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to you if I offended. This topic has appeared to be a sensitive, controversial or inflammatory subject for some of the people on this list. I personally have been trying to keep out of the 'hot' stuff and stay more in the Joe Friday 'Just the facts, ma'am' arena of things. Good for you William. I'm curious: who did you say didn't have weekend/evening support? Chris William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Your comment? On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald, What was snarky? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Now that I think about it. That was rather snarky. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299227 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com
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It isn't a 'lack' of evening and weekend support, it is that the Senior tech (who knows about the Coldfusion thingy) is off nights and weekends. According to the tech I spoke to, if the server goes offline on a weekend (and cf won't restart) they call him at home and have it fixed within the hour... sozohosting.com Now, assuming that you cannot judge an entire company by the words spoken in just a few minutes on the phone (especially a tech guy), I am willing to assume that they either... had a turnover, this guy hasn't been trained on CF yet, or he was talking out of the side of his arse. The website if very specific that they 'allow' cffile and cfdirectory to be run, so by contract I am assuming that they don't allow cfobject, createObject and the others that can be explicitly restricted in the admin settings. Or, at least I will assume that until (and if) I speak to their senior tech next week. I am realizing 2 things now. 1. The group of people here on this list would probably be a great group of guys to get together in a room during the 'Big Smoke' in Las Vegas and just shoot the 'breeze' with. 2. There are some questions, asked on this list, that have the same effect as 2 Master Masons discussing ritual. Lots of opinions, experiences and argument, but no 1 best method. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Chris Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? On Feb 16, 2008 9:46 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Sorry to you if I offended. This topic has appeared to be a sensitive, controversial or inflammatory subject for some of the people on this list. I personally have been trying to keep out of the 'hot' stuff and stay more in the Joe Friday 'Just the facts, ma'am' arena of things. Good for you William. I'm curious: who did you say didn't have weekend/evening support? Chris William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Your comment? On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald, What was snarky? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Now that I think about it. That was rather snarky. On 2/16/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gerald. I called tech support to find out what tags they restrict from the admin and was told that they don't know anything about the coldfusion, and that they could have the senior engineer call me back next week when he comes in. William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? There is no holy grail of hosting. With that said, you might want to look at Sozo. They are still on CF 7. I donno about cfobject either, you can ask. My limited experience with tech support was good. Pretty snappy. The good: Unlimited domains (I think) for $20 H-sphere control panel. IMO based on years of expereince and RD is the best hosting CP I have worked with. It is as close to a dedicated box or VPS as you can get in a shared hosting environment. You have control over: file extensions FTP DNS (full control - very nice) user accounts Databases - Mysql and MSSQL Access Sub domains etc Fast pipe And if you want to do resellers hosting Hsphere is definitely the way to go. The bad: IT doesn't do CF DSN's on the fly - you have to wait untill they set it up. That never took more than an hour or so. No experience with mission critical - shit hitting the fan - type situation's- So no opinion there. Best of luck G On Feb 15, 2008 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great
SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299166 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I've been using them for about 7 years. Never a blip, never a problem. I forget they are even there. Even the price is so low on my monthly bank statement, I go months without thinking about them much at all. Which is just what I want in a host. It just works. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have found a great need to find a new hosting company and have been looking for my personal 'Holy Grail' of shared hosting offers. I was wondering if anyone here has had any good or bad experiences with this company so that I don't take the wrong road. My criteria for 'Holy Grail' is: Inexpensive (always important), Multiple domain names can be served from same hosting and appear to be unique, allows access to cfobject and other CFC tags, preferably CF8. In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx It's inexpensive (starting at $17/mo), is CF8, has extra domains, only has cfschedule/cfregistry/cfexecute restricted in their admin (spoke with tech support for this info). I can't find the kick in the pants. Anyone know them, or know of them? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299168 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx If you want crap support with crap answers to basic CF questions, go for CT. They're perfect! If you want folks settin' up mappings that screw up your sites, go for CT. If you want real CF guys backin' you up, go with HostMySite. It's like night and day. Been switchin all my stuff over to HMS lately to a HMS VPS. Love it! :) Will ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299174 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Unfortunately Will, the $130+/month for VPS is not covered by my criteria of
'inexpensive'. I actually had a long conversation with them and their
shared was ideal until they confirmed that I would need create a separate
hosting account for each of the websites I wanted to move over. I heard a
lot of great stuff about HMS.
When I called I spoke to a tech support person. When I asked about the CF
settings he was helpful and logged into the admin while I was waiting to
confirm the information he had given me (without being asked). Is it
possible that they have 'good' techs and 'bad' techs. (and a few Dorothys as
well ('why, I'm nota a tech at all...')).
William
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In my research the most often come across issue was the multiple domains to
a single hosting account. The few that had it, disabled the cfobject tags
and functions. Except this one: CrystalTech
http://www.crystaltech.com/coldfusion8.aspx
If you want crap support with crap answers to basic CF questions, go for CT.
They're perfect! If you want folks settin' up mappings that screw up your
sites, go for CT.
If you want real CF guys backin' you up, go with HostMySite. It's like night
and day.
Been switchin all my stuff over to HMS lately to a HMS VPS. Love it! :)
Will
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-Original Message- From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? Unfortunately Will, the $130+/month for VPS is not covered by my criteria of Speaking of CrystalTech - you can get an actual dedicated server (not a VPS) for $90 a month (even cheaper for Linux). I've had one for years: I host something like 20 sites and have complete control. I've actually never had a serious problem with CT and CF, but clearly others have. In my experience CF really isn't a good choice for shared hosting. It's technically possible but there's a lot of technical limitations that cause problems. If you can afford it, dedicated is the way to go. Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299179 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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sure you can get a cheap server there and get 0 support. And when you do need support (talking about crystal tech) they will ream the crap out of you in charges. The bottom line is that if you want or are gunna be cheap then you will not be getting the holy grail, you will simply be getting cheap hosting. HMS techs are good but some are also new and of course they won't know everything yet and well that's part of your cheap hosting. CT techs are complete morons, havent talked to one yet who knew anything about anything. Now if you start paying for better hosting everything gets better, for example on my dedicated box at HMS I have a direct line # to the dedicated team and if none are there it gets picked up by the highest level tech there and it gets taken care of on the spot. Of course I pay for this but to me it's worth it. For ex: if one of my customers needs help they can call anytime and get helped by HMS, Now say one of jims clients has problems and cant contact jim and hes on a $90 ded box at CT then that client is Sh*T Outta Luck! If thats not a concern for you then don't pay for the support. But myself when I got 60 something clients on a box and 20+ more on the way, I want to know that they will be taken care of, I don't care what the cost is. The other option is to buy a server and send it in for co-lo. I just sent in an apple xserve to HMS and it will cost me less that $150 a month to be managed and for support. And im sure you could get a server fairly cheap. Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere but HMS, they are far and away the best host I have ever dealt with. Jim brings up a very good point and that is that cfm wasn't made for shared hosting and that really is IMO its only real drawback. If you got any of Wills sites on your server then it's gunna be crashing like crazy!! haha jk Unfortunately Will, the $130+/month for VPS is not covered by my criteria of Speaking of CrystalTech - you can get an actual dedicated server (not a VPS) for $90 a month (even cheaper for Linux). I've had one for years: I host something like 20 sites and have complete control. I've actually never had a serious problem with CT and CF, but clearly others have. In my experience CF really isn't a good choice for shared hosting. It's technically possible but there's a lot of technical limitations that cause problems. If you can afford it, dedicated is the way to go. Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299180 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
sure you can get a cheap server there and get 0 support. And when you do need support (talking about crystal tech) they will ream the crap out of you in charges. That has been my experience with them in the past as well. HMS definitely seems to be better in this respect (although when my software customers go to them before me about any issues they are having, they often get some really wacky responses. It always depends on who you get when it comes to good tech support.) The bottom line is that if you want or are gunna be cheap then you will not be getting the holy grail, you will simply be getting cheap hosting. Very true. I will say that I was in the same position and decided that I really need to go with a VPS for better reliability, and have been pretty happy with AHPHosting.net. They give $10/month off their plans for my customers (or using the coupon posted on this site) and while their have been some bumps recently, the guy that runs it works tirelessly to keep servers up and problems fixed. I've been very impressed with the service and options for the price. I host a handful of other sites for friends and family that don't have any full server access to the VPS and helps alleviate the extra cost. Viviotech.com is another option for real low-cost VPS hosting. Their Linux VPS with BlueDragon is pretty much the cheapest semi-dedicated option for CFML hosting you'll find. I had some problems when I tried them with downtime from power outages, but supposedly they have been getting up with some generators recently, so less of an issue. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299181 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
-Original Message- From: Dave l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting? sure you can get a cheap server there and get 0 support. And when you do need support (talking about crystal tech) they will ream the crap out of you in charges. The bottom line is that if you want or are gunna be cheap then you will not be getting the holy grail, you will simply be getting cheap hosting. All I can say is that my experience has been completely the opposite. I've hosted with them for over 9 years now and have seen no reason to switch. I get quality, feature-rich hosting with liberal bandwidth and storage space limits. Hosting that also happens to be cheap. I find them very communicative (one of my biggest complaints about most hosts) and feature-rich. I'm not sure if I would recommend an amateur host with them as they do lean towards self-service as much as possible (one of the reasons, I suspect, that they can keep such low prices). They have an excellent customer knowledgebase and support information and support ticket system but would clearly rather limit human interaction to a minimum. To this end they have a very feature-rich, constantly evolving control panel, one that allows me to perform many tasks that I might otherwise have to submit a request for. Of course I pay for this but to me it's worth it. For ex: if one of my customers needs help they can call anytime and get helped by HMS, Now say one of jims clients has problems and cant contact jim and hes on a $90 ded box at CT then that client is Sh*T Outta Luck! If thats not a I honestly have no idea what you're talking about... one of the fundamental aspects of CrystalTech (and many other hosts) is that YOU run your business. They do everything they can to ensure that your customers are NOT aware that you're hosting at CrystalTech. They're customer control centers are generically branded as all customer-facing services - they abstract themselves out of the picture as a feature. The whole idea is that you can tailor your service to your clients. Your clients don't call Crystal Tech - they call YOU and, if you need to, you call CrystalTech. You determine the level and quality of service - all CT provides is the iron and pipe. That's not a business model that everybody wants but it is their business model. They stick to it. If that's not what you want then CT is clearly not even an option... and criticizing them for it seems silly. It's like complaining that your local muffler shop doesn't do body work... that's just not a business they support. I can only relay my personal experience... and my personal experience has been excellent. Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:299182 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
