Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
Nice! On Aug 28, 2014 12:46 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
Guess I am missing something here.maybe I don't understand what is meant by marina. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a marina using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails.or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older.hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8076 - Release Date: 08/21/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
Nobody is faulting the use of an engine. It is just funny seeing people get upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their auxiliary propulsion. Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of engine propelled watercraft. On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Guess I am missing something here...maybe I don't understand what is meant by marina. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a marina using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails...or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older...hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Melody via CnC-List *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8076 - Release Date: 08/21/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
My marina has a narrow entrance channel and I need to do two 90 degree turn to get into my slip. I can sail in, or I can sail out, but I can't recall ever being able to do both in the same day. My worst day with no engine was coming home from Baltimore in November. It was cold, it was rough, the wind was hitting 30 knots, and the old engine had gone down for the count. I also had the flu and a temperature of about 101, so I was not running full speed myself. I managed to snag a mooring in Annapolis on the first pass and collapsed with relief in the cockpit. Now I just need to call my wife for a ride home and call the water taxi for a ride to the dock. Step 1 went fine but step 2 resulted in their main office answering and telling me the water taxi got taken out of the water a few days ago and wouldn't be launched until spring! Arghhh!! Eventually I hitched a ride from a passing boat and tried not to cough on them. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM To: dwight; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Nobody is faulting the use of an engine. It is just funny seeing people get upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their auxiliary propulsion. Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of engine propelled watercraft. On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Guess I am missing something here...maybe I don't understand what is meant by marina. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a marina using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails...or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older...hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650tel:%28401%29%20419-4650 (cell) No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8076 - Release Date: 08/21/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
I can't remember all the times I've had to sail a boat to the dock at the end of a delivery. It's good practice to sail your own boat in occasionally--just for fun--in case one day you have to get in without an engine. I suspect most of the people on this list know their boats well enough that they can do this without too much trouble. It's most a matter of knowing how far the boat will carry her way and how to slow down if you don't like the approach speed. Fortunate;y we all have boats that are very maneuverable and that accelerate quickly. Using the boat for this sort of thing is all part of the fun and it's immensely gratifying when you pull it off perfectly--especially in front of an audience! :) Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Nobody is faulting the use of an engine. It is just funny seeing people get upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their auxiliary propulsion. Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of engine propelled watercraft. On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Melody via CnC-List *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8076 - Release Date: 08/21/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
Sailing into my slip is not something I am prepared to try. I'm not that good but even if I were my marina is very tight. No need to take that kind of risk. Hell, It took me a few attempts at backing in under power to figure out that my 2-blade folding Martec prop needs half an hour head start just to stop my 1kt forward progress! Still trying to figure out how to account for and use my prop-walk. If I have a good hand with me I will sail on and off my mooring. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 AM To: dwight; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Nobody is faulting the use of an engine. It is just funny seeing people get upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their auxiliary propulsion. Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of engine propelled watercraft. On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Guess I am missing something here.maybe I don't understand what is meant by marina. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a marina using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails.or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older.hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 tel:%28401%29%20419-4650 (cell) _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8076 - Release Date: 08/21/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
I back my 38 into her slip, so I've only sailed her into her slip one time - and that was bow first. Actually that was pretty easy since her slip was the last one on the pier. I've never tried backing a sailboat under sail. I used to be totally awed when the big AC boats would come head to wind during a pre-start and back up for a boat length or two to gain a starting advantage. I've sailed the 25 on and off moorings and into her slip for years. It's all in the preparation and timing. Folks on the dock either think you are crazy and dangerous - or a REALLY good sailor. I do occasionally sail the 25 out of the slip, but only when the wind is just right: moderate to light and from a broad reach to a run as I sail down the fairway. Get the jib ready to hoist before leaving (mine has hanks. A roller would be easier) push the boat back and turn it as it leaves the slip so it is pointed down the fairway. Then hoist the jib and jack's your uncle. You ought to be able to do it in a 30, but I'd not try it in anything larger. Too heavy and slow to accelerate to a speed where you have steerage and some lift from the keel. But it's sort of like getting to Carnegie Hall...Practice! Practice! Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 27, 2014, at 22:42, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skipper’s certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700 To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek From: dwight via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: 'Russ Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8076 - Release Date: 08/21/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
We did have some fun sailing into our slip in Ego Alley (downtown Annapolis). My brother was visiting and wanted to go for a sail despite the engine being taken apart for repairs. While we were out the wind shifted so that returning would be a dead run down the fairway. If we missed the slip you have a dead end and no chance to beat back out in anything bigger than a Laser. So we are headed in and getting ready to roll the last bit of jib in when a powerboat lays on the gas, goes around us, and starts going into OUR slip! I am not normally a screamer but I was using some language worthy of a bosun on a square rigger to tell the idiot what we were going to do him if he didn’t move. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek From: dwight via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: 'Russ Melody'mailto:russ...@telus.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) No virus found in this message. Checked
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
(save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek *From:* dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM *To:* 'Russ Melody' russ...@telus.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Melody via CnC-List *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8076 - Release Date: 08/21/14
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip. I've sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point mooring. The three point dictates which direction you're approaching from regardless where the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle up with the spring line, not so with the mooring. Quickly grabbing a stern line and throwing it on a winch is fine and all but not optimal. Optimal is bringing the boat to a stop and leisurely dealing with the lines. Not always an option depending on conditions of course. How do you stop the boat with the wind behind you? I'm eager to learn this but I'm also eager not to damage my boat on the gnarly breakwall just forward of my slot. We're finally gonna get a sail in today after work, maybe I'll try it with the motor in neutral, just in case. Main or jib? Which is more appropriate for manoeuvring and docking in tight quarters shorthanded? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek *From:* dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM *To:* 'Russ Melody' russ...@telus.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Melody via CnC-List *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
Hi Steve … Come to EYC and practice on the Visitor pump-out dock ;) Tim 33MKII Torontohttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=250 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:26 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip. I've sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point mooring. The three point dictates which direction you're approaching from regardless where the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle up with the spring line, not so with the mooring. Quickly grabbing a stern line and throwing it on a winch is fine and all but not optimal. Optimal is bringing the boat to a stop and leisurely dealing with the lines. Not always an option depending on conditions of course. How do you stop the boat with the wind behind you? I'm eager to learn this but I'm also eager not to damage my boat on the gnarly breakwall just forward of my slot. We're finally gonna get a sail in today after work, maybe I'll try it with the motor in neutral, just in case. Main or jib? Which is more appropriate for manoeuvring and docking in tight quarters shorthanded? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek From: dwight via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: 'Russ Melody'mailto:russ...@telus.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1
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Back when I was a teenager, my brother and I almost always sailed our Columbia Sabre (5.5m hull made into a narrow racer/cruiser) in and out of the slip. Our auxiliary power was a temperamental 5hp British Seagull (aren't they all) that was a pain to carry up the companionway and mount on the transom. I learned early that good springlines were the key. Chris Price Pradel 35 MkI - Original Message - From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:26:17 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? I've always wanted to practice sailing to a dock, but I don't have a slip. I've sailed on and off of a single point mooring but not my three point mooring. The three point dictates which direction you're approaching from regardless where the wind is. Same as a slip but with a slip you can sidle up with the spring line, not so with the mooring. Quickly grabbing a stern line and throwing it on a winch is fine and all but not optimal. Optimal is bringing the boat to a stop and leisurely dealing with the lines. Not always an option depending on conditions of course. How do you stop the boat with the wind behind you? I'm eager to learn this but I'm also eager not to damage my boat on the gnarly breakwall just forward of my slot. We're finally gonna get a sail in today after work, maybe I'll try it with the motor in neutral, just in case. Main or jib? Which is more appropriate for manoeuvring and docking in tight quarters shorthanded? Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek From: dwight via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: 'Russ Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ
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Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a responsible fashion, then try practicing single handed; it's a little more challenging that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers. Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 2:10 PM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek From: dwight via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: 'Russ mailto:russ...@telus.net Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here.maybe I don't understand what is meant by marina. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a marina using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails.or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older.hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug
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It doesn't hurt to have the engine running in neutral too...just in case. Josh On Aug 28, 2014 2:28 PM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a responsible fashion, then try practicing single handed; it's a little more challenging that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers... Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton via CnC-List *Sent:* August 28, 2014 2:10 PM *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek *From:* dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM *To:* 'Russ Melody' russ...@telus.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here...maybe I don't understand what is meant by marina. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a marina using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails...or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older...hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Melody via CnC-List *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without
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Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My best docking EVER is at super low tide. I am dragging through a few inches of mud, so short of half-throttle the boat does not move. Despite a nasty crosswind I track ruler-straight into the slip, stop dead center, and calmly walk around hooking up lines while the boat holds perfect position in the wind. Onlookers are amazed LOL Joe Della Barba Coquina -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Thanks all. I don't have the luxury of a spring though, I'm on a three point mooring. I suppose in my case I'll just use the stern line. Thanks for the tips :) And the EYC suggestion, maybe I'll give that a try, we're not far. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It doesn't hurt to have the engine running in neutral too...just in case. Josh On Aug 28, 2014 2:28 PM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a responsible fashion, then try practicing single handed; it’s a little more challenging that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers… Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton via CnC-List *Sent:* August 28, 2014 2:10 PM *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek *From:* dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM *To:* 'Russ Melody' russ...@telus.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Melody via CnC-List *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking
I keep a heavy line tied between the piling on the fareway and the piling on the dock, one on both port and stbd sides. In lew of a center piling you can use a couple of different types of knot to tie a spring line to the side lines. The bow man (or you) can grab the spring you left dangling on the side (guide) line and throw it over the stern cleat as you back in. It is already premarked or measured so that when it goes taught the boat stops short of the pier and will snug into the finger. Little more difficult coming in forward but the guide lines still help a lot Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 28, 2014 2:34 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
I’ll use my radio and ask for a tow From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:10 PM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek From: dwight via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: 'Russ mailto:russ...@telus.net Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 tel:%28401%29%20419-4650 (cell
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking
same configuration here. The dock is actually shorter than the boat. And I use very similar technique. Most of the times it works. Marek -Original Message- From: Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
Not sure I understand a 3 point mooring. In Southport CT we have fore and aft moorings. The uninitiated (and those who refuse to take advice / help from our staff), amuse bystanders as they try to pick up the pennants. (The trick is to use an extension line that clips on to one pennant to allow the boat to get closer to the other for retrieval) -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 28, 2014, at 14:52, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks all. I don't have the luxury of a spring though, I'm on a three point mooring. I suppose in my case I'll just use the stern line. Thanks for the tips :) And the EYC suggestion, maybe I'll give that a try, we're not far. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It doesn't hurt to have the engine running in neutral too...just in case. Josh On Aug 28, 2014 2:28 PM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: And if you are going to be brave enough to practice this in a responsible fashion, then try practicing single handed; it’s a little more challenging that way and also a little more impressive for the onlookers… Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 2:10 PM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the jetty. And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc. And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation than do it under sails alone. The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail shorthanded. This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that. Marek From: dwight via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: 'Russ Melody' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant by “marina”. I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 1:47 AM To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking
You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of dock arrangement Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8115 - Release Date: 08/28/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation
Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine sound insulation...anybody else want to chime in with an opinion about whether it is worth it? David F. Risch 1981-402 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300 Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of dock arrangement Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8115 - Release Date: 08/28/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation
Really it's a personal preference issue.if the engine noise bothers you or someone important to you then try some sound insulation.if you need sound insulation then I would suggest that maybe you are steaming too much.no such problem under sail.anyway I hope you get my point about personal preference knowing that anything you do might help but then maybe under some conditions you may want to hear your engine purr. or not! I like to hear my diesel but I would not want the noise to be really bothersome to anyone I cared about.Alianna's Universal M4-30 is very quiet without any added sound insulation Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 6:22 PM To: CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine sound insulation...anybody else want to chime in with an opinion about whether it is worth it? David F. Risch 1981-402 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300 Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of dock arrangement Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8115 - Release Date: 08/28/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8115 - Release Date: 08/28/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation
I have no sound proofing around my engine. I do have the atomic 4 though and it is referred to as the quiet engine. In my opinion, and I have no experience with diesel, it's that I want to hear the engine when it is running even at idle, especially at idle... From my Android phone Original message From: David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 08/28/2014 5:21 PM (GMT-05:00) To: CNC CNC cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine sound insulation...anybody else want to chime in with an opinion about whether it is worth it? David F. Risch 1981-402 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300 Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of dock arrangement Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8115 - Release Date: 08/28/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Dave - I'll chime in.I did that job about 3 years ago and am glad I did.Note that it's no silver bullet. Martin's comment that no one asks if the diesel is running is still accurate, but it's a lot better. As I get older the engine doesn't sound as bad as it used to, so I have that going for me J It's really not that hard of a project and there's a lot less dirt in the area in addition to the reduction in noise pollution. I figure it's like refrigeration. You can live without it, but it's nice to have. Hope that helps. Pete From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:22 PM To: CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine sound insulation...anybody else want to chime in with an opinion about whether it is worth it? David F. Risch 1981-402 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300 Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of dock arrangement Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8115 - Release Date: 08/28/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation
I'm glad I did it on mine. Then again new engine mounts and adjusting the lifters could have helped too. Noise still transmits aft under a hatch for the shaft seal. I've considered putting some insulation on it too. Josh On Aug 28, 2014 5:22 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine sound insulation...anybody else want to chime in with an opinion about whether it is worth it? David F. Risch 1981-402 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: pauljba...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:03:44 -0300 Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com You got it...i know that one because I had a 27 MKIII in the same sort of dock arrangement Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker via CnC-List Sent: August 28, 2014 3:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Now docking Which is all well and good if your dock has a piling or some other way of getting a midships springline onto it. My dock is a low, short finger, when the boat is in the slip the stern is just about to the end of the finger so no way to drop a springline over a dock cleat as I come in singlehanded. I just have to wing it, drive in with enough way on to allow steerage, quick blast of reverse to tuck the stern in and stop any forward motion(dock is to port with reverse giving me a port walk), step off and throw the docklines over my cleats like a hero. Usually. Gets more interesting with the current and/or wind blowing you away from the dock of course, haven't got that one nailed quite yet (first year with an inboard) but fortunately don't have a boat in the adjoining slip so there is always a plan B, however untidy it looks. Cheers, Paul Orange Crush CC27MkII Sidney, BC. - Original Message - From: Joe via CnC-List Della Barba cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:57:15 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine? Key to difficult docking situations is a midships spring line. If you drop a short spring on a piling you can run against it and snug up to the dock under power either way and under sail going downwind. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8115 - Release Date: 08/28/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
Update: Tonight I removed the sound insulation from the sides of the engine compartment. Let me tell you - it was a dirty mess. Surprisingly, it is possible for a substance to be both dusty and oily at the same time. On the bright side, after removing the old, crumbling insulation I was able to give the little Yanmar and the engine compartment a good cleaning. It looks 100% better now and I think it will be easier to keep the engine clean. I can't report on the noise yet as I'm waiting on an exhaust elbow at the moment. Even if it's a little noisier under power, I think that it may be worth it just to have a little more room in the engine compartment (it's amazing what an extra couple of inches can give you in a cramped space) . On the other hand, if the racket proves to be intolerable, I'll report back with a warning to others who might be contemplating taking the same steps. Thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback. Robert H. Original message From: Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 08-26-2014 9:28 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Soundproofing? http://www.silentrunning.us/ http://www.silentrunning.us/Professional_Boat_Builder_SR_Article.pdf Bill Bina On 8/27/2014 2:42 AM, RPH via CnC-List wrote: Update: Tonight I removed the sound insulation from the sides of the engine compartment. Let me tell you - it was a dirty mess. Surprisingly, it is possible for a substance to be both dusty and oily at the same time. On the bright side, after removing the old, crumbling insulation I was able to give the little Yanmar and the engine compartment a good cleaning. It looks 100% better now and I think it will be easier to keep the engine clean. I can't report on the noise yet as I'm waiting on an exhaust elbow at the moment. Even if it's a little noisier under power, I think that it may be worth it just to have a little more room in the engine compartment (it's amazing what an extra couple of inches can give you in a cramped space) . On the other hand, if the racket proves to be intolerable, I'll report back with a warning to others who might be contemplating taking the same steps. Thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback. Robert H. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
Robert, If you ever do decide to install new insulation I can share a few tricks to make it easier as I re-insulated the compartment in my CC 32 last year. I used material purchased from Defender which is reflective containing foam and rubber and lead which is impossible to drill holes in for mounting and the compartment does not allow room to swing a hammer to mount with the usual mounting hardware. If I ever did it again I would glue the stuff in. Anyhow, I tore the old stuff out and left in the mounting screws then made cardboard templets of the foam patters and put a small amount of paint or magic marker on each screw head and pressed the cardboard in place. This gave me screw locations for the pattern and insulation. I then laid the pattern on the insulation to cut to shape and transferred the holes to the insulation using a small soldering Iron which burned through the insulation foam and rubber. A drill caught and twisted the foam and got caught messing up the insulation and took a lot of time removing. Then remove all the screws in the sides of the engine compartment and mount the insulation with fender washers on the old screws. I then used metal backed duct tape on the ends and any joints of the insulation. See Arpeggio1984.info, web site under Projects 2013 for results. Looks and works good! John Arpeggio CC 32 1984 Norwalk, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RPH via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:43 AM To: Robert Hrabinsky; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Update: Tonight I removed the sound insulation from the sides of the engine compartment. Let me tell you - it was a dirty mess. Surprisingly, it is possible for a substance to be both dusty and oily at the same time. On the bright side, after removing the old, crumbling insulation I was able to give the little Yanmar and the engine compartment a good cleaning. It looks 100% better now and I think it will be easier to keep the engine clean. I can't report on the noise yet as I'm waiting on an exhaust elbow at the moment. Even if it's a little noisier under power, I think that it may be worth it just to have a little more room in the engine compartment (it's amazing what an extra couple of inches can give you in a cramped space) . On the other hand, if the racket proves to be intolerable, I'll report back with a warning to others who might be contemplating taking the same steps. Thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback. Robert H. Original message From: Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 08-26-2014 9:28 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
FWIW – Gluing is not all that. I used the same stuff and the glue for the job isn’t worth the price of it. I ended up having to screw it in using short screws and fender washers… Neil FoxFire – CC32 Worton Creek, MD From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Russo via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:19 AM To: 'RPH'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Robert, If you ever do decide to install new insulation I can share a few tricks to make it easier as I re-insulated the compartment in my CC 32 last year. I used material purchased from Defender which is reflective containing foam and rubber and lead which is impossible to drill holes in for mounting and the compartment does not allow room to swing a hammer to mount with the usual mounting hardware. If I ever did it again I would glue the stuff in. Anyhow, I tore the old stuff out and left in the mounting screws then made cardboard templets of the foam patters and put a small amount of paint or magic marker on each screw head and pressed the cardboard in place. This gave me screw locations for the pattern and insulation. I then laid the pattern on the insulation to cut to shape and transferred the holes to the insulation using a small soldering Iron which burned through the insulation foam and rubber. A drill caught and twisted the foam and got caught messing up the insulation and took a lot of time removing. Then remove all the screws in the sides of the engine compartment and mount the insulation with fender washers on the old screws. I then used metal backed duct tape on the ends and any joints of the insulation. See Arpeggio1984.info, web site under Projects 2013 for results. Looks and works good! John Arpeggio CC 32 1984 Norwalk, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RPH via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:43 AM To: Robert Hrabinsky; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Update: Tonight I removed the sound insulation from the sides of the engine compartment. Let me tell you - it was a dirty mess. Surprisingly, it is possible for a substance to be both dusty and oily at the same time. On the bright side, after removing the old, crumbling insulation I was able to give the little Yanmar and the engine compartment a good cleaning. It looks 100% better now and I think it will be easier to keep the engine clean. I can't report on the noise yet as I'm waiting on an exhaust elbow at the moment. Even if it's a little noisier under power, I think that it may be worth it just to have a little more room in the engine compartment (it's amazing what an extra couple of inches can give you in a cramped space) . On the other hand, if the racket proves to be intolerable, I'll report back with a warning to others who might be contemplating taking the same steps. Thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback. Robert H. Original message From: Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 08-26-2014 9:28 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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As well as or instead of fender washers, consider wooden battens to hold the foam in place. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: FWIW – Gluing is not all that. I used the same stuff and the glue for the job isn’t worth the price of it. I ended up having to screw it in using short screws and fender washers… Neil FoxFire – CC32 Worton Creek, MD *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *John Russo via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:19 AM *To:* 'RPH'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Robert, If you ever do decide to install new insulation I can share a few tricks to make it easier as I re-insulated the compartment in my CC 32 last year. I used material purchased from Defender which is reflective containing foam and rubber and lead which is impossible to drill holes in for mounting and the compartment does not allow room to swing a hammer to mount with the usual mounting hardware. If I ever did it again I would glue the stuff in. Anyhow, I tore the old stuff out and left in the mounting screws then made cardboard templets of the foam patters and put a small amount of paint or magic marker on each screw head and pressed the cardboard in place. This gave me screw locations for the pattern and insulation. I then laid the pattern on the insulation to cut to shape and transferred the holes to the insulation using a small soldering Iron which burned through the insulation foam and rubber. A drill caught and twisted the foam and got caught messing up the insulation and took a lot of time removing. Then remove all the screws in the sides of the engine compartment and mount the insulation with fender washers on the old screws. I then used metal backed duct tape on the ends and any joints of the insulation. See Arpeggio1984.info, web site under Projects 2013 for results. Looks and works good! John Arpeggio CC 32 1984 Norwalk, CT *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *RPH via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:43 AM *To:* Robert Hrabinsky; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Update: Tonight I removed the sound insulation from the sides of the engine compartment. Let me tell you - it was a dirty mess. Surprisingly, it is possible for a substance to be both dusty and oily at the same time. On the bright side, after removing the old, crumbling insulation I was able to give the little Yanmar and the engine compartment a good cleaning. It looks 100% better now and I think it will be easier to keep the engine clean. I can't report on the noise yet as I'm waiting on an exhaust elbow at the moment. Even if it's a little noisier under power, I think that it may be worth it just to have a little more room in the engine compartment (it's amazing what an extra couple of inches can give you in a cramped space) . On the other hand, if the racket proves to be intolerable, I'll report back with a warning to others who might be contemplating taking the same steps. Thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback. Robert H. Original message From: Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 08-26-2014 9:28 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700 To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Some years ago while looking at Silent Running it looked like it was manufactured by the same folks as QuietCoat ( see http://www.quietrock.com/quietcoat ) which was a quarter of the cost and you could special order it from Home Depot. They don't seem to carry it any more. Also, it only came in black if you were looking at the one gallon size. thanks ed vanderkruk s/v Prime Interest 1982 CC 38 Landfall Toronto, Canada cid:image001.jpg@01C8A05F.9AF64FF0 LF 38, S/N: 229 primeinter...@gmail.com www.primeinterest.blogspot.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:01 PM To: CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700 To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Mother Nature is taking care of this problem for me - At my current rate of hearing loss, I figure in a few years my engine will be just a whisper! Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:01 PM To: CNC CNC Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700 To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700 To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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As opposed to certain Beneteaus and Hunters which are only USED at the dock… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Well when work starts on Monday and the Bay looks like a mirror, the button must be pushed ☹ On my boat the sound insulation did not much. Not sure I would buy it again. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome Tauber via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:09 PM To: David; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700 To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
Hi Jim, Is this available at Industrial Plastics? Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 11:13 AM 27/08/2014, you wrote: Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place  I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.comhttp://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.comhttp://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
In the olden days, when I was getting my skipper’s certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700 To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
Funny, I sailed a Catalina 25 into port on a broad reach. Lots of maneuverability! While still in the fareway a little marina girl came promptly running out telling us we couldn't sail in the marina. No pitchfork though. Definitely a lost art. Josh On Aug 27, 2014 10:41 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skipper's certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:13:12 -0700 To: muckl...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Noxudol makes a sound-deadening paint similar to Silent Running but much cheaper. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 27 August 2014 06:50, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The inboard side and ceiling were uninsulated on mine and when I re-did it I left them uninsulated. I used a sound down kit from jamestown distributing. I cut and dry fit the foam panels and used the included mylar tape to seal the raw edges. The kit came with tack down pins. They are aluminum and have a 2x2 backer that is supposed to be nailed or screwed in place I epoxied them. The kit also came with a spray adhesive which I sprayed after the epoxy was dry. Push the foam over the tack pins and then install the mounting washers and caps. Seal all the corners with more mylar tape. Done. Pictures upon request. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?
In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee, business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in the marina (or something to that effect). I pointed out that engines are auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary power. That was the end of discussion. Good times. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote: In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now, if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada) gees on the side). Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM To: Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM. Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail... Cheers, Aaron R. 1979 30-MK1 Annapolis, MD On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curious...is all the effort worth it? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
I don't have sound installation in Touche'. I have a diesel. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
I used the West Marine sound insulation kit that included the foil covered foam with a high density base. The sound attenuation was noticeable but nobody has ever asked if the engine was on or off. I think of sound as light. If the boat interior was dark and you turned on a bright light inside the engine space the places you can see light are where to concentrate the insulation. As to going without, personal preference and how you use the boat make a big difference. If rarely using the engine or only racing the extra weight and cost may not pay off. For us and the way we use Calypso in the PNW we may use the auxiliary power for 6 to 8 hours at a time, sometimes with an off watch sleeping. The extra insulation coat was worth it. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without? I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
What? Wha'd you say. I can't hear you. Oh. Sound insulation. Never mind... Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:09, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I don't have sound installation in Touche'. I have a diesel. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
Interesting conversation. Don't you guys own SAIL boats? Mine is pretty quiet. (at least when I'm singlehanding) Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What? Wha'd you say. I can't hear you. Oh. Sound insulation. Never mind... Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:09, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I don't have sound installation in Touche'. I have a diesel. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?
Nope. On Aug 26, 2014 12:32 PM, Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine. However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII. Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big mistake? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
