Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
It would be difficult to find someone that didn't have a copy of win2k/winxp or vista and be qualified. I have to say, those who bought full versions of vista, should have free upgrades or perhaps 20 dollar upgrades. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: It's only illegal if you don't already own a qualifying product. You may remember when I installed Win7 on this machine I had to call MS. They specifically walked me through installing my upgrade product to a new bare drive. But I was replacing Vista; just not to the same drive. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Always doing its best to be helpful, M$ wants to let you know that if you want to install W7 on a new drive you are a dirty rotten crook. Windows 7 upgrade 'hacks' not legal, Microsoft suggests http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/02/windows-7-upgrade-hacks-not-legal.aspx?s=gcndaily_041109 Over the past several days, there have been various posts…[showing] that a Windows 7 Upgrade disc can perform a 'clean' installation of Windows 7 on a blank drive from a technical perspective, Ligman wrote last week in a Microsoft small-to-medium business blog. Of course, from the posts I saw, they often forgot to mention a very basic, yet very important, piece of information 'Technically possible' does not always mean legal. WFBs will of course take umbrage at the site of us ROTFLOLing, but we just can't help it. You dirty rotten crooks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Well increased sales, increased number or devices running android. I realize you often need construction paper and crayons to understand simple things, I'm just not going to take the time to try and help you out this time. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 5, 2009, at 9:27 PM, mike wrote: With android making inroads, do they need one? You got any proof of that? Or is this empty propaganda? Why am I not surprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?
A lot of what Andy does is tongue in cheek. I've listened to him for quite some time on macbreak weekly and he is an uber geek on the order of star wars/ADD/comic book/computer gadget fan boy. I posted the review because I thought it was one of the more fair minded ones out there. He is indeed making money off the iphone, but it's hardly his entire life, I do think he should have mentioned he was writing a iphone manual in the review. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:27 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: OK, that was tongue in cheek. Read the blog at http://www .goog_1257606783409 *ihnatko. goog_1257606783409*com/ http://www.ihnatko.com/ On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Did I miss something? I don't own a cell phone so I'm not real interested in that discussion, and I sure don't want to read the review, but is this some sort of new tech? How and why does a cell. phone take pictures of itself? On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, he is clearly stupid as a rock, he completely misunderstands the Droid's ability to take photos of itself. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Indeed this is a given, but not always with some cell phones. In several reviews including the last moto droid one, the poor call quality of the iPhone was brought up again. This has always been the weakest part of the iPhone, it does most other things very well...calling not so good. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Some people need or want different things from their cell phone. For me the killer feature is multitasking, this makes up for any issues their might be For me, the killer feature of a cell phone is being able to make and receive phone calls. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?
Keep in mind, not all android phones are equal. Verizon released two droid phones this week, the other may be closer to what you need. Some of the manufacturers like HTC and Samsung are putting front ends on android and enabling more capabilities along with the front ends. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:46 AM, db db...@att.net wrote: If they were accurate, some of his critical comments about the Droid were useful to me. db mike wrote: A lot of what Andy does is tongue in cheek. I've listened to him for quite some time on macbreak weekly and he is an uber geek on the order of star wars/ADD/comic book/computer gadget fan boy. I posted the review because I thought it was one of the more fair minded ones out there. He is indeed making money off the iphone, but it's hardly his entire life, I do think he should have mentioned he was writing a iphone manual in the review. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:27 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: OK, that was tongue in cheek. Read the blog at http://www .goog_1257606783409 *ihnatko. goog_1257606783409*com/ http://www.ihnatko.com/ On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Did I miss something? I don't own a cell phone so I'm not real interested in that discussion, and I sure don't want to read the review, but is this some sort of new tech? How and why does a cell. phone take pictures of itself? On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, he is clearly stupid as a rock, he completely misunderstands the Droid's ability to take photos of itself. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
Don't know what it's worth, but 7 is being picked up at a rate of over 200% greater than Vista in the same time period. I've been running 7 since before the official beta and have not had one issue on three other newer versions. I think it's a given that most people running 7 are from new installs, I really can't imagine normal people upgrading...but who knows. A friend who does network support etc, didn't put win 7 on till it was officially released, he didn't want to attempt the beta. He was running vista, and did a clean install. As did I...every time. Everyone I know who is running it is a hobbyist or in the industry in some way, none of them have had negative experiences with it of the dozen or so I know personally. This doesn't mean it's been perfect, just that there has been no cry of I can't take it, I'm going back to xp. At this point I wouldn't want to go back to XP, win 7 has been rock solid for me, everything runs and works just great. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:56 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: Rather than just bickering about it, tell us a little about these people. I, for one am curious about who is running Win7and why. Like: are they putting it on work machines or personal machines? Is it mostly preinstalls on new machines or upgrades on old machines, and if the latter, was it from XP or Vista? Also, on the upgrades, are they running to se7en or fleeing their old OS? My own expectations are that I just don't see all that many XP users rushing out to upgrade, and I can't imagine businesses being ready for a while yet. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear And I know dozens already running W7. Very serious people. What's this supposed to prove? Proof that you hang with hopeless fan bois. You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Just not a clue. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Apple insider is reporting a taiwanese manufacturer has been hired to do a cdma iPhone to be carried on verizon in q3 2010. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:36 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Is there solid word they will get a apple device? With android making inroads, do they need one? VZ is also getting another droid phone, the eris, this phone got better reviews overall than the moto droid. Sprint has three or four android phones out now, one of them has 8 megabytes of built in memory, haven't seen if you can utilize it all for apps or not. AFter seeing the offerings of android, I don't see much missing between the two choices. Apple probably won't do Verizon without GSM. Does Droid do Flash? iPhone doesn't do Flash [without serious hacking], but Symbian does. Can you buy a Droid phone outright without a contract? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Yes of course. You know better then everyone else what they need. Oh wait that's not right, yer just an arrogant snob who thinks he knows better. I have multiple apps open all the time. Maybe you need to work on being able to do more at one time like others are already doing. On Nov 7, 2009 12:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 12:17 AM, mike wrote: Some people need or want different things from their ce... I don't believe you. Multi-tasking makes no sense on such a tiny screen. Just try to convince us that you are going to watch a streaming video while simultaneously checking your email on such a tiny screen. Just bs. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
By comparison osx ads say the new os is more complex and makes things harder. On Nov 7, 2009 11:41 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: At this point I wouldn't want to g... The Microsoft television ads I have seen for Windows 7 clearly imply that previous versions of Windows have been problematic for users of the Windows OS. Too much clutter and not simple enough, along with system crashes when running more than one app at a time are mentioned in those ads. Obviously, a new version of any OS on any platform that can address such issues would be welcomed by any user. I do not use Windows. My OS has never had clutter problems and has always been simple to use and never suffers a system crash when running multiple apps. I can see how and why Windows 7 will be a big success if such problems can be eliminated or significantly addressed. Steve * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?
He might have been wanting to take screenshots On Nov 7, 2009 1:26 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Did I miss something? I don't own a cell phone so I'm not real interested in that discussion, an... Some phones have cameras on the front and back of the phone. You can do video calls if you want. That's an extra feature for most people, but for those who can't hear, it could be a life-saver. It lets those people talk to each other in sign language on a cell phone. Most mobile phone mfgs have at least one phone with this feature. Not sure if that's what you mean by a phone taking pictures of itself. Is that like the Mars explorer robots sending self portraits back to earth? * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
They can sell more phones doing both. On Nov 7, 2009 1:26 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: It does flash most the time. Why wouldn't they do it without gsm? iPhone is a world phone. CDMA is mostly US and Japan. Apple can sell more GSM phones than CDMA. Verizon still wants the iPhone, as noted in recent news. It will take Apple a year or so to reengineer hardware and software for VZ. Apple also has to wait for ATT contract to expire. ATT wants to keep iPhone and will do what they need to do to make sure it stays only GSM, and doesn't have special features developed for ATT running on other GSM networks. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
My point of course being that everything that sells a newer version says the same thing. Noting this about windows is therefore moot. Apple does the same thing. They marketed snow cat among other ways by saying it didn't take up gigs of diskspace like leopard did. It didn't suck as much. They also marketed it as faster then previous versions, which MS does with 7...but of course you only go after MS. It would be a more genuine complaint if you didn't ignore it from one company and point at it with another as if it's a bad thing. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:50 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:06 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: By comparison osx ads say the new os is more complex and makes things harder. Really? I have not seen those ads. I'll have to take a look on Youtube. I'm sure they are there. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
I'm sure his account was hijacked. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.comwrote: At 03:06 PM 11/7/2009, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Date:Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:05:15 -0500 From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: online storage --HIJACKED!! For example I would not trust Apple. Repeat after me: For example I would not trust Apple. For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple. I can't believe what I am reading that. What an epiphany or is it a revelation? Now I can die in peace knowing that TJP actually said this, Or is this the Identity thief that jumped in here and wrote that? Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Make no mistake, none of it is crucial. But If I can get a phone that lets me do it, why would I not get that phone? I'm not one of those users as Tom is who assumes whatever *I* do is all that anyone ever has to do and anything else is shite. I know different people have different needs, different ways of getting things done, different goals and different hobbies. I don't assume when someone makes a choice different from mine, that they are stupid and in need of medication, I assume they know what is best for them and I hope they've done their homework before deciding. In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, I've done it. I like my little cell phone world I can create on a phone I can multitask on, do I *need* it? Of course not. But combine that advantage on a network that is MUCH cheaper and I'm very satisfied with my choice knowing I've lost some things and gained some things. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: What kind of multitasking is it that you want to do on a small handheld that is so crucial? I don't have have an iPhone, but I do have an iPod Touch, and I can surf the web or compose an email, etc. while listening to music, and you can do more than one thing at a time of this sort with the iPhone, too. On those things where you can't do two things at a time, like using turn directions and answer a call, you pause the app long enough to answer the call, then you resume the app at the point where you left off, running the app and taking the call at the same time. Think also of some of the multitasking limitations specific to the Droid (though not to the android platform in particular). Because of Verizon's CDMA network limitations, the Droid won't be able to do voice and data apps at the same time, and I am not really clear on whether or not it can have more than one data stream at the same time (anyone know?). So what kind of multitasking is it that the Droid can do that the iPhone's limited multitasking can't do that you think might be really compelling? Date:Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:17:33 -0700 From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moto droid by Andy ihnatko Some people need or want different things from their cell phone. For me the killer feature is multitasking, this makes up for any issues their might be. Android isn't just good enough, its a solid choice. The iPhone lacks features and so does the android platform, I just find android to be lacking less for what I do. On Nov 6, 2009 8:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:52 AM, mike wrote: Good review/comparison of the new moto droid with the u... It=92s a long list and the basic point is that the Android OS shows severe signs of a product team whose motto is =93It works; let=92s ship it and go home.=94 Okay? Let=92s put that on record. As a user, I think the iPhone is vastly superior. End of story * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
Like anyone believes that. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:04 PM, mike wrote: It would be a more genuine complaint if you didn't ignore it from one company and point at it with another as if it's a bad thing. I don't look at the company behind it. I just look to see if it is true. M$ B$ is just that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I responded in kind to your crap. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:04 PM, mike wrote: Yes of course. You know better then everyone else what they need. Oh wait that's not right, yer just an arrogant snob who thinks he knows better No. You just said something silly and I called you on it. Your failure to respond with anything factual is duly noted Q.E.D. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I read carefully your uninformed bullshit. You cry someone misunderstands what you say just when you know they've got it exactly, stick and move, never admit you are wrong. You tell me I'm lying and I'm the guy who needs to explain? You have no clue what you are talking about clearly, you've run android and the moto droid over the coals and you have not one clue what it can or can't do. Your opinions are worthless because they aren't based on fact, just some warped view you hold regardless of truth. I truly feel sorry for any clients you have asking for advice from you. It's like having a rude obnoxious Cliff Claven for a consultant. Does it matter what phone I'm running? You'll just say you don't believe me again and of course have zero to back it up. Try something new, go out and learn something about the subject, get back to us when you've educated yourself. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:42 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:39 PM, mike wrote: In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:39 PM, mike wrote: Make no mistake, none of it is crucial. But If I can get a phone that lets me do it, why would I not get that phone? I'm not one of those users as Tom is who assumes whatever *I* do is all that anyone ever has to do and anything else is shite. Well this explains a lot. You have so much stuff running at the same time that you can't focus. You impute things into my posts that are not there. You are not reading carefully. I guess this is the email equivalent of distracted driving. Or maybe aggressive distracted driving. One thing I think I missed. On which cell phone are you answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done? I did not know that there was anything like this available. Sorry if you told us this before and I missed it. What cell phone should I be looking at? Still based on your past performance I don't think this is a good idea. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
It can take the SIM but I don't think you get every bell and whistle...perhaps not even 3g? On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:26 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). They will offer you that if you are a long time customer and you ask to cancel and / or you just plain ask for it. Made me postpone switching to iPhone that would have cost me $130 / for unlimited mins. Which is why T-Mobile is doing it. And when T-mobile finally gets a good smartphone / iPhone, maybe I can upgrade and keep the inexpensive unlimited minutes too... I believe that iPhones can take a Tmobile SIM chip and work just fine. This deal is for all those early iPhone adopters who are coming off the ATT contracts soon. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
There is software out there that unlocks and others that jailbreak. On Nov 7, 2009 7:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Unlocking means you can then stick a sim in the phone from another carrier and it will take it. I had an ATT tilt that they gave me the unlock code for, put my tmobile sim in and everything worked. Jailbreaking allows you to run unofficial code on the iphone and using third party app installers like cydia you can install apps that aren't approved by the app store. Jailbreaking lets you do a little more customization to the home screen than Apple allows like putting more icons on the home screen, customizing the background etc. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:25 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: What's the difference between unlocking and jailbreak? And how could they have done that to the phones that are advertised as such but still in their boxes shrink wrapped? db mike wrote: There is software out there that unlocks and others that jailbreak. On Nov 7, 2009 7:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 7 Nov 2009 - Special issue (#2009-996)
You are correct, he has been semi critical of apple at times, but not with the sheer and utter hatred he has with MS. He doesn't take cheap shots at Apple, make up claims, read WFB blogs that tell wild stories about apple and post them here as if they are serious. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: I am not going to argue any general claims, but in this case go back and read Tom's posts when MobileMe was having all its service problems the first times Apple tried to put in Exchange support. Tom was at least as unhappy with Apple over that as he was over MS's recent problems with Sidekick phone data. Consider also that Google has had several notable service failures a couple of times since then, particularly with email and search, but I don't recall Tom being nearly so critical about that. So it is possible to argue that in this case, Tom is harder on Apple than he is on Google. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear Like anyone believes that. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:04 PM, mike wrote: It would be a more genuine complaint if you didn't ignore it from one company and point at it with another as if it's a bad thing. I don't look at the company behind it. I just look to see if it is true. M$ B$ is just that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
That was all on my phone, an HTC Hero. The moto droid can do the same, all the android phones are similiar hardware except for the moto droid having a better screen and the samsung moment having 8 gigs of built in memory. There are something on the order of 100,000 apps for iphone, I think at last count 20,000 were either tip calculators or flashlight apps. Tongue in cheek of course...there are thousands of android apps, and I can't say I've gone looking for an app and not found something suitable. So far so good. I broke my foot in four places a few weeks ago, so I've gotten to know my couch far better then it or I ever hoped. That said I have spent a lot of time on my semi new phone putting it to the test. As far as if I multitask well...you did see i was on IRC right? Not exactly a brain taxer...same with twitter. Both are more time wasters, leftovers from being on the net so long. It's a nice distraction while I keep my foot up, and even nicer I don't need to sign out of twitter, IM or IRC and just play around on whatever I want keeping them all open while also looking at an occasional email or engadget page. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:33 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: That is the kind of answer I've been looking for, that I haven't seen at all anywhere else. Whatever works for you, fine. You make a good case for your phone. (Was all that on your phone, or was it at your computer and you are giving an example of what you'd like your phone to do?) However, do you know that the Droid can do all that now or at least will be able to do that if the right apps are made for it? If so, then there is definitely a place for it at the smartphone table. On a side note, what are you, a hyperactive teenager? You sound like one seriously distracted dude, dude, if that is representative of more than a tiny fraction of your day. Live your life however you want, but I hope that you know that there's lots of cognitive science which says that kind of multitasking seriously impairs your critical thinking, memory and mood. Science also says that no one does multitasking anywhere nearly as well as they think that they do. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Moto droid by Andy ihnatko In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the other app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be tiresome, I've done it. I like my little cell phone world I can create on a phone I can multitask on, do I *need* it? Of course not. But combine that advantage on a network that is MUCH cheaper and I'm very satisfied with my choice knowing I've lost some things and gained some things. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Quality control?
A little while ago I got a pair of wranglers at walmart for work...one of the guys saw them and said walmart? I said how did you know? He said the outside seam along the leg wasn't straight. The jeans lasted as long as any other pair so I cared not, but it is interesting. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: Let us not get into what brands of clothes wear better! Designer jeans are a joke compared to Lee and Levi--both found at Walmart. :) Or quality subversion? It is not the brand it is how its made. When Walmart tells a supplier to deliver a cheaper product you get the label on an inferior product that is not sold elsewhere. The old plumber we have worked with for decades warned me off of buying anything from Home Depot for the same reason. At these stores the brand name is no guarantee of quality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Is there solid word they will get a apple device? With android making inroads, do they need one? VZ is also getting another droid phone, the eris, this phone got better reviews overall than the moto droid. Sprint has three or four android phones out now, one of them has 8 megabytes of built in memory, haven't seen if you can utilize it all for apps or not. AFter seeing the offerings of android, I don't see much missing between the two choices. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: What a vote of confidence, to welcome the arrival of the Droid Verizon is doubling the penalty for early termination. With a whole new line of smart phones coming onto the market, Verizon Wireless said that starting November 15 it is doubling to $350 the penalty fees for subscribers who leave their contracts early. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404720.html?hpid=sec-tech Once the Droid grabs you it won't let you go! I guess they expect to have lots of unhappy customers wanting to flee. It is also probably a measure of how much VZ had to subsidize the Droid phone. I hope it is decent enough to fill the iPhone niche until VZ gets an apple product. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
I don't know any serious person who takes you seriously. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:54 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Reid Katan wrote: And how was *your* experience with Win7? About the same as my experience with electrocution. I'm running XP. I don't know any serious person who runs Vista or W7. I expect I'll be taking a serious look at W7 sometime around 2012. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] SMS on iPod Touch
Aim will do sms On Nov 4, 2009 8:41 AM, db db...@att.net wrote: what is it? DB Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I have an app that allows me to do SMS messages from my desktop. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
Being in the valley of the sun for so long...clouds are nothing but good here. On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't they? Down south storm clouds are not a good omen and often portend very bad weather. Especially green clouds that warn us to take cover from tornadoes! Most clouds around here are not so good, especially since we've had floods, mold, and cloudy days most of the summer that have been hurting local farmers whose crops aren't growing as quickly as usual. Good clouds are the ones that end droughts without causing floods, then blow away to let the sun shine through to the ground. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone unlimited [was online storage]
Sprint has a deal now, 70 for unlimited data/sms/mms and 450 mins. But you get unlimited minutes to any mobile. For me that means unlimited minutes, I don't call any landlines. For 99 on sprint you get the same deal but true unlimited minutes. It's not a bad deal if your job either subsidizes it, or the cost of the service is offset by the money made from it. On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: But that's the problem... when you have access to no other phone and you are conducting business ... the minutes rack up. You can't text a client when what they want is to talk to you... Unlimited is for $130 the next step above 1300 minutes (or whatever that figure is... I can't remember) is the only cost effective iPhone plan available here. Someone said they only paid $70 for unlimited minutes... and I was curious about that. Are you suggesting to carry a PayGo phone with another number too to make outgoing calls with? That seems to defeat the purpose. db b_s-wilk wrote: In WA state, unlimited calling and a data plan for an iPhone is $130/ mo. It's only $70 / mo where you are? Cavan [and some of my friends] has an iPhone 3G with unlimited data, and 450 minutes with rollover. He texts using the data plan or WiFi rather than SMS, but has the additional text package for when it's more convenient. Cost is $39.99 voice + $30 data + $5 texts [but taxes add another $10 or so to the bill]. He has lots of rollover minutes, even though he was voted 'most talkative' in high school. He lives near DC, I'm in eastern Maryland near Delaware border [20 miles south and 5 miles east of the Mason-Dixon line]. Do you really need unlimited calling? We pay per call on our land line and mobile PAYGO and it's much cheaper than unlimited calling, even though we often make 30 minute to 1 hour phone calls, sometimes overseas. For non-local and overseas calls we use a prepaid phone card. The connection number and ID code are programmed into our phones, so it's easy to use the calling card, and very cheap. You can even use calling cards from your cell phone to make cheap overseas calls. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] SMS on iPod Touch
Or just use an app from the app store On Nov 4, 2009 5:11 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:31 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: What I can't do is receive SMS texts. I'm looking f... http://www.developershome.com/sms/#quickGuideNonDevelopers says... There are three ways to receive SMS messages using your computer / PC: 1) Connect a mobile phone or GSM/GPRS modem to a computer / PC. Then use the computer / PC and AT commands to get the received SMS messages from the mobile phone or GSM/GPRS modem. 2) Get access to the SMS center (SMSC) or SMS gateway of a wireless carrier. Any SMS messages received will be forwarded to your computer / PC using a protocol / interface supported by the SMSC or SMS gateway. 3) Get access to the SMS gateway of an SMS service provider. Any SMS messages received will be forwarded to your computer / PC using a protocol / interface supported by the SMS gateway. There are services that provide access to an SMS gateway. SMSs sent to the gateway are rerouted to your email or an inbox. http://www.ipipi.com/help/friends_send_sms.htm http://www.fabit.com/ http://www.labnol.org/gadgets/phones/send-receive-sms-text-messages-computer-internet/1493/ etc. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
You missed what I said. I never stated I wanted Apple to invest money making their product work on atom CPUs. They already do, so Apple is going back to write code to break it. With the massive profits, why not go a little down the pr road and just let those extremely few do it and try to negate the control freak perception Apple has with the public? On Nov 3, 2009 3:42 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
I'm not sure where to even start if you have never head of Apple's legendary control issues. It's been talked about here, on the web, books, television...magazines You also keep bringing up Psystar which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Yes, Apple's plan has always been to mate software/hardware for a good user experience...still nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm not sure why you are pretending to be obtuse concerning what I was talking about, that's fine, just seems like a waste of time for both of us for you to do this. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Probably because you didn't write clearly. You just now brought up this control freak perception issue; where did you get that from? Apple is planning a large jump in its research. Some of that will go for OS X. Why would they make it easy for others to sell OS X the way Psyster is (during the law suit)? Apple's business plan has always been to mate hardware and software to provide the best user experience. You may disagree with that by choosing another product, but complaining about it sounds like whimpering to me. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You missed what I said. I never stated I wanted Apple to invest money making their product work on atom CPUs. They already do, so Apple is going back to write code to break it. With the massive profits, why not go a little down the pr road and just let those extremely few do it and try to negate the control freak perception Apple has with the public? On Nov 3, 2009 3:42 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] big e little E was: Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
Apparently evil exists in more places for some of the users here. I suppose walmart can be the little 'e' evil and we'll save Evil for real good stuff like Mao and Pot and Stalin. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: But shopping at Wal-Mart is a choice. If you are aware of the history and are a socially responsible and moral being, not shopping at Wal-Mart is a choice you can easily make. It's easier to avoid the evil we can see. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There are definitely more evil things in this world to be wary of besides Walmart. Stewart At 05:29 PM 11/2/2009, you wrote: Don't go to Wal-Mart. Why? Because WalMart is evil. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
I think the Rev's point was that while Walmart practices are bad and uncool, they don't rise to the level of evil. The word itself is overused to describe everyrthing not liked. Boy, Pol Pot was evil. Boy, Walmart is evil. We have a couple generations of young adults and kids who will say, yeah walmart is evil...what is a Pol Pot? They have no perspective on evil. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Well, Walmart management did lock people in their stores and force them to work without pay. (I'm not making this up, unfortunately; it's well substantiated in court cases.) This is far short of killing fields, but it isn't cool. And just because something doesn't kill you outright doesn't mean that it is essentially harmless. Walmart is justly famous for killing off small town business districts and wiping out local small-business entrepreneurs. And their policy of demanding the lowest possible price from their suppliers is a big factor in exporting jobs from the U.S. to China. As a lot more people are now finding out, your chances of getting the necessities of life--including a place to sleep indoors, and medical care when you need it--are just not that good if you don't have a job or a viable small business. (OK, maybe you can make it to the emergency room if you have a medical crisis, but often it's far too late by the time you get there.) --Constance Warner Walmart concentration camps? The killing fields at walmart? On Nov 2, 2009 6:42 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Many things can be called evil, but it ... Or it could be that you just don't know much about the history of Walmart. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
BTW, lemme know when you stop using Apple products since they support Carbonite. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote: The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. True, but they use part of their profits to support wacky neocon politics. I will stay away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
Not surprised, completely missed the mark again. Try again, Tom. I suspect you know what I'm talking about, I'm thinking you aren't that stupid, just blowing more of your smoke screen so you don't have to actually say anything of substance. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:49 AM, mike wrote: You missed what I said. I never stated I wanted Apple to invest money making their product work on atom CPUs. They already do, so Apple is going back to write code to break it. With the massive profits, why not go a little down the pr road and just let those extremely few do it and try to negate the control freak perception Apple has with the public? Why should Apple become shoddy and sloppy just to make Mike happy? They are control freaks because that what it takes to produce an outstanding product. That is the kind of company that I do want to do business with. iTunes is a key part of the iPod/iPhone infrastructure. It is the major reason that the iPod is better than Zune. It is a key part of Apple's competitive advantage. They spend a lot of dough making iTunes better and then give it away for free. Why should Apple let somebody else appropriate all their hard work? Why don't you be less of a control freak and let me have half of the money in your wallet? I deserve it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
Hang on I gotta throw up a little after this propaganda piece. On Nov 3, 2009 11:41 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: Too bad it does not work in Washington. It did and the difference is so obvious to those of us who live here. The feeling of community has been reinvigorated. Instead of poor souls being tortured by their ghoulish commands we now have someone trying very hard to work us out of the mess we were put in. Last Saturday 2,000 neighborhood kids were invited to the White House and had a grand time. The President and First Lady were beaming as they passed out goodies with obvious care to the little ones. These are very good, loving people. If you can't see that there is something very wrong with you. The problem is that some of us can't recognize true evil and instead seek to tar the righteous. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
Stuff? Like what? On Nov 3, 2009 1:56 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.com wrote: According to what I've read, part of the impression that Win7 is faster than XP and Vista is a hangover from the fact that many of the Win7 betas really were faster because they were more streamlined. That stopped being the case as Win7 moved closer to RC status and MS started adding back more stuff from Vista. From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Most of the people that have tried i... The review I cited was from a guy who I know is heavy into Windows and his publication has an ex... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a m... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] SMS on iPod Touch
mydigitallife.info/2008/07/16/send-free-sms-text-messages-from-iphone-and-ipod-touch-via-aim-and-ichat/ That might be a good start for you. On Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: What app can do SMS? I can send texts via email, but how can I receive texts on my iPod? Nobody uses email any more, according to the kiddies [except this email]. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
35 bux is not a horrible price, if you look around at Newegg or Fry's you can find em under 30 with free shipping. I bought a couple of 8 gig microsdhc cards I use with my phone, they were ten bux a peice. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, flash drives - or hard drives of any type - can and do fail suddenly and without warning. That's not a problem if you're just using them to transport files. And it shouldn't be a problem if you're doing regular backups to them, since you should be warned of failure when writing data. But do not under any circumstances save data to a drive and expect it to be there sometime in the future! My current C drive images are about 10gb, so I guess I could keep ONE on a flash drive. Darned inconvenient to have to leave one plugged in, or to plug/unplug every day to do a daily backup. Also, you really need multiple daily backups, since you can never quite be sure how far back you'll need to go to restore. PS On this specific drive you didn't mention price. Currently, 16gb flash drives run about $35. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I haven't really been paying attention to this thread, but now I think I should have. My son, for his birthday, wants a flash drive. I was looking at the 16gig one they have at Costco.com and here are the specs from that page. Capacity: 16GB * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage
Not sure where you are looking, but there are 70 dollar unlimited data cell data plans out there, and 100 dollar unlimited everything plans. These plans have various ways of tethering to a laptop if you are looking for that. This can be extra cost, or something simply not denied by the carrier and allowed to be done for free. Tmo is supposed to be coming out with some killer data plans also to fight what sprint is doing. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Unlimited emails are available with $50/mo cell plans. That's close to what most people pay, often for everyone in the family, including the kids! If you have a job that really requires the best, unlimited cell internet is about $150/mo, but your employer might pay for it. Limited internet is about $100/mo, or only $600 more per year - hardly out of the range of most people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
The android phones out now have a max onboard memory allotment of 512 megs. Half is for the OS etc and the other is for what you want to add. I never had an argument for for memory expansion, I only had how it is. Syncing your ipod with music and pictures is much easier then anything for android, that is a fact. I never said it was easier, I said it comes down to personal taste. There is as of yet, no syncing app for android, you plug the phone in (not sure why you would remove the memory card except you wanted to add more steps) and the memory card comes up like any flash drive. Moving files amounts to dragging and dropping whatever you want, the music app on the phone will scan for new music or load playlists (not nearly as nice as an iphone). With the iphone and memory you get ease of sync but are limited to the onboard memory period. For an android phone with an expansion slot you get basically unlimited memory and manual syncing by hand. I carry a 16 gig card in my phone and have another 8 I usually have on me, total I have 40 gigs on four cards, each about the size of your pinky nail. The memory allotment for apps is a different argument, apple gives you the entirety of onboard memory for whatever you want, so you could have gigs and gigs of apps. Android at the moment is limiting apps to 256 megs. If that matters to you, then it matters. It doesn't to me. I have an ipod touch with 8 gigs of storage and keep less than 300 megs of apps on it, the rest is music, movies and pics. I've got over 25 custom installed apps on my android phone and still have almost 100 megs left for memory, I see no problem in a practical sense, but theoretically, yes the limit could be reached easily by someone wanting to install every app they see. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:00 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: I had read that some android phones other than the Droid don't have the 256MB application limit. Perhaps it's just that they have more hardwired memory. I don't really buy your argument for memory expansion. With the iPod, you plug it into your computer and swap files between it and your computer. For a swappable memory card, you pop out the card, pop it into your computer or attached card reader, and swap files around. It doesn't sound any easier to me. And in fact, almost all users leave the memory card in for the life of their phone, except for upgrades. That is the actual argument for a swappable card: if you can't afford a large capacity, you buy the smaller capacity now with the prospect of putting in a larger capacity card later. This is where the iPhone loses, since the equivalent upgrade would be to upgrade to a higher capacity iPhone, paying the difference for the capacity but keeping all your paid content, and it seems unlikely that Apple/ATT would allow that. They might, if upgrading meant resetting your contract period. I also wouldn't hold my breath waiting for decent media apps for the Droid, either. Verizon is very protective of their vcast and Rhapsody video and music markets, and likely won't allow any apps that compete unless they can take a similarly outrageous cut for themselves. I have a Verizon phone and their FIOS service. Love the FIOS, like my phone (a higher-end LG), and hate the phone service. The customer service is not great, either (or I have been spoiled by Apple). From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer) Good stuff David, I too am on CDMA and have that limitation which sucks. The 256 is an android problem and is on every android phone out there, has nothing to do with this being on verizon or being the moto droid phone. I've read some about this and have not seen anything regarding anti piracy, more concerns about removing the card when stuff is running from it. Theoretically, if someone would build an android phone with more internal memory like an iphone, all of it could be used for installs, as it stands the android is weak on internal memory which limits apps that can be installed, and the iphone is useless for external memory for expansion. This comes down to personal taste, if you are buying a phone soley for the apps, you won't be buying an android phone anyway. If you won't be missing any apps from iphone, then there is no reason to not look at this phone except it's on verizon and I'm sure they will charge for things like enabling the GPS chip as they do in their other phones. With the specs of this phones screen and it's CPU power, motorola should have built in some killer media apps, big mistake IMO that they didn't. Personally If I was with Verizon I'd wait for the sub 100 dollar eris, a solid upper mid range phone although without the physical keyboard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm making money being able to sync to itunes? How is Apple being ripped off? The money Apple might be losing aren't even pennies, but they are taking potential customers and going out of their way to make things hard to save those fractions of a cent. We aren't talking about Psystar, different subject. They are directly marketing and making money from what they are doing. MSI, other netbook manufacturers, Palm, these guys aren't trying to wedge their devices to work with Apple, they just do. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Yes it does. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: I haven't really searched, but does T'Bird have the colored labels? I use that feature in Eudora quite often. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
Why? My first thought is you may have encountered name brand stuff that had not passed QC well enough to be sold at other retailers? I've never heard of this but could be..? Is a walmart sandisk different from a fry's electronics sandisk? I have a friend who bought some name brand jeans there for cheap and although the brand is the same, they are definately of a different quality then those bought at other stores. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Don't go to Wal-Mart. Jeff Miles wrote: I haven't really been paying attention to this thread, but now I think I should have. My son, for his birthday, wants a flash drive. I was looking at the 16gig one they have at Costco.com and here are the specs from that page. Capacity: 16GB Simple: Back up at the touch of a button, no cables or software installation needed Portable: Just put it in your pocket protect your files wherever you are Secure: Protect your data w/password protection AES hardware encryption Backed by the minds behind flash memory: with our patent pending backup technology 5-year limited warranty System Requirements: Intel® Pentium® PC or Mac computer w/USB support Windows XP, Vista (backup storage) Windows 2000, Mac OS X v10.1.2+ Linux (storage only) USB 2.0 port required for high-speed transfer Requires high-power USB hub port Anyway, my son is using a PC, but not sure of the OS. He built the computer himself, so it's mostly brandless. The OS is some flavor of windows and he built it in the last year so I'm guessing Vista. So, does this sound like a decent flash drive for him? I rarely use them myself so I know little to next to nothing about them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
And dems and acorn. On Nov 2, 2009 5:26 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net: There are definitely more evil things i... You mean like republicans and Microsoft? (-: At 05:29 PM 11/2/2009, you wrote: Don't go to Wal-Mart. Why?Becaus... * ** List info, subscriptio... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
Rev sticks to the old standards. On Nov 2, 2009 5:39 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I was thinking more like Al Qida, Fascists, and anything along that line. Now for you religious ones, Satan always ranks up there in the top 10. Stewart At 06:28 PM 11/2/2009, you wrote: And dems and acorn. On Nov 2, 2009 5:26 PM, Reid Katan... * ** List info, subscriptio... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
He did. On Nov 2, 2009 6:27 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There are definitely more evil things i... Can you give us some examples? * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
Walmart concentration camps? The killing fields at walmart? On Nov 2, 2009 6:42 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Many things can be called evil, but it ... Or it could be that you just don't know much about the history of Walmart. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
You should be since you claimed win7 was going to be horrible. I'll take self proclaimed MFB Leo laports review that win 7 ran faster on his netbooks and enjoyed it. Keep shootin, Tex On Nov 2, 2009 6:56 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: New operating system adds a few cool features, but look, feel and performance are the same Windows 7 review: 'New' OS is just Vista with small changes http://gcn.com/articles/2009/10/26/gcn-lab-review-windows-7-vista-by-another-name.aspx Contrary to popular belief, W7 slows down netbook performance Windows 7 and netbooks: A bad mix http://gcn.com/articles/2009/10/30/splitting-the-atom-processor.aspx Why am I not surprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
HTC has a new phone with a 4.3 touch screen. So there are larger devices coming. HTC also apparently has new ads just to get their name out there as the ad barely shows a phone...although its a Sprint hero they do show. It's more an ad about HTC having a phone that can match your different needs. I've also read the 5mp cam isn't all that great, but those who look at just mp count don't know enough to care about good pics anyway. On Nov 1, 2009 4:42 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:52 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... ... I am sure that the Droid will cover a number of the bases that the iPhone does not handle. This should not surprise anyone. Had the Droid developers and engineers not been able to observe and take note of potential features that were lacking in the iPhone, they could have been accused of gross incompetence. It is actually pretty easy to note what is lacking in an existing product, and decide to make those features available in one you are in the process of conceiving. As more smart phones hit the market in the future, I suspect we are going to see a reversal of the penchant for making ever smaller ones, with more of the feature laden devices becoming larger and larger in order to accommodate the components required to make the phone able to do things such as hurl that bowling ball down the lane for you. Okay, that's a bit silly, but you get the point...i guess. Phone makers will have to initiate a new paradigm in advertising to cause consumers to embrace bigness as opposed to smallness. After all, a big phone makes for a much more noticeable and impressionable item when it comes to bragging rights as in, Look at the size of that dude's phone! Steve PS: As suspected, that 5MP camera in the Droid is fairly noisy from reviews I have read, pretty much negating any advantage 5MP should be expected to have over 3MP. * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
I've read a couple that said the cam was quite a bit better then iphones, and video much better. Perhaps some shots will surface. On Nov 1, 2009 11:44 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 6:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: PS: As suspected, that 5MP camera in the Droid is fairly noisy from reviews I have read, prett... Further reinforcing the impression that it is the phone for rubes and backwoods droids. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Good stuff David, I too am on CDMA and have that limitation which sucks. The 256 is an android problem and is on every android phone out there, has nothing to do with this being on verizon or being the moto droid phone. I've read some about this and have not seen anything regarding anti piracy, more concerns about removing the card when stuff is running from it. Theoretically, if someone would build an android phone with more internal memory like an iphone, all of it could be used for installs, as it stands the android is weak on internal memory which limits apps that can be installed, and the iphone is useless for external memory for expansion. This comes down to personal taste, if you are buying a phone soley for the apps, you won't be buying an android phone anyway. If you won't be missing any apps from iphone, then there is no reason to not look at this phone except it's on verizon and I'm sure they will charge for things like enabling the GPS chip as they do in their other phones. With the specs of this phones screen and it's CPU power, motorola should have built in some killer media apps, big mistake IMO that they didn't. Personally If I was with Verizon I'd wait for the sub 100 dollar eris, a solid upper mid range phone although without the physical keyboard. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: Since Mike is so desperate to find out what the Droid can't do that the iPhone can, here's two: Because the Droid is built for Verizon's mostly CDMA network, you don't have simultaneous data and voice. So you can't for example do a web search for restaurants while making dinner plans with your caller, or find a map while also getting verbal help. You can only install 256MB of applications on the dedicated hardwired flash memory and can't install them on the memory card. This is isn't a general android problem or hardware limitation, but is an imposed security/anti-piracy restriction specifically on the Droid. So this is another reason you won't have a tomtom app with it's gigabytes of maps. The iPhone limits you to 2GB for a single app, and the phone's entire capacity for all apps, I believe. It may be a good phone for its currently known limitations (and the future ones that Verizon will inevitably impose on it), but it is definitely over-hyped by Google's fans (GFBs?) and Apple-haters. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer) Finally Tom gives us an answer. This one of those things like not including cut/paste in the first couple iPhone os's that makes users wonder what is going on. From forums on the web this looks like moto dropped the ball on this one since the hardware as well as android support multitouch. Multitouch does exist in the droid phone, just not where most want it most I think...the web browser. On Oct 31, 2009 6:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... multitouch, which the Droid doesn't do * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I used Eudora for some time on my mac, am I remembering correctly that it was mac only at one point? On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom you keep trying to convince us that Apple is the way to go. Incorrect. I am just comparing Eudora to the email client I use daily, the one I know best. Don't forget that Eudora runs on Macs too. You could convince me to switch, but you are not doing a very good job of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Yes we know David Pogue as the AFB he is. The last word on that moto cliq even resorts to...being completely misleading if not lying. Only 2 gigs of storage she exclaims! This of course referring to the 2 gigs of storage included in the phone which is expandable to 32. I'm sure this was left out on accident and not for any other reason. This seems to be more about Pogue losing some cred than about those phones. I can't say I'll expect any serious reviews from him. BTW, any mongoloid who buys a phone they have never looked at, never read about, never used and doesn't know the network it's running on deserves every bit of aggrevation they get. What was it first? CNN fact checking SNL and now Tom leaving this link as if it has even one valid point to make. Pure entertainment and should be watched as such. And only when very bored. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:03 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:03 PM, David K Watson wrote: Since Mike is so desperate to find out what the Droid can't do that the iPhone can, here's two: It's like The Baiting Game... http://video.nytimes.com/video/playlist/technology/david-pogue/1194811622273/index.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Not sure how the zune is to a WFB, but to regular people it is better hardware and geared more towards those who enjoy finding new music more often then not. As an app platform? Not the way to go. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:20 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Of course with WFBs thinking the Zune is equivalent to the iPod Touch, so there is no telling what kind of wild claims may be made. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
It's not about being bright. Why is it devolved to not likes/dislikes but right and stupid. I don't need my email when I can't connect, ever..never in fact. So it works perfectly for me. The few emails I want to keep for whatever reason I forward to another cloud email so they are on two...the things I REALLY want to keep I keep local as text and printed in a file. On Oct 31, 2009 7:55 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I sometimes end up in places and areas with no Internet connection (HORRORS? Yes Virginia there are still places like that) In that case I do not need the net because I have my email messages and can look one up if I need to. Cloud storage might be good and secure (?) But it is dependent on having a connection. Not real bright. Stewart At 08:10 AM 10/31/2009, you wrote: The basic concept is sending and receiving email. And yes,... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I don't keep anything on flash I don't fully expect to lose. On Oct 31, 2009 8:56 AM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: At 09:43 AM 10/31/2009 -0500, you wrote: I sometimes end up in places and areas with no Internet... I use a flash drive and a little program called EZ Back it Up to back up certain files daily. Initially, I added all of my mailbox files. It runs on a scheduler, or can be run manually. It overwrites changed files only. I have certain Eudora mailboxes included in this automatic backup. I'm lucky to get a 14,400 dialup connection at my summer house (no cable or DSL there). Web sites take forever to load. It is faster for me to download the mail, go offline to read/reply, and go back online to send. Also I'm not tying up the phone line this way. It's nice to have choices to suit one's purpose! Unless I lose the flash drive, I'm OK. :) Sue * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Either, both. I've had each happen multiple times. On Oct 31, 2009 9:26 AM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: At 08:59 AM 10/31/2009 -0700, you wrote: I don't keep anything on flash I don't fully expect to ... Define lose. You fear the data disappearing, or you physically lose the flash drive? Sue * ** List info, sub... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives
Can't format the whole drive? On Oct 31, 2009 10:44 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: I'm new to flash drives. The SanDisk flash I have loads a separate volume called U3 System which is clearly meant for Windows users. Is there a way to get rid of this on the Mac? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Well Thunderbird does everything you mention, so it isn't about what they can do, just that some are very used to how Eudora does it. On Oct 31, 2009 12:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Rules setting (for filters etc.) are very easy. Never changes always know where to find it. Rules are easily edited also. We have mentioned the fact about the attachments. It does not try and be your contact manager, your calendar keeper or anything else, it is simply your email manager. Those are just some of the things I can think of off the top of my head. Stewart At 12:39 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Marcio wrote: Yes, but... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
It's not that you can install Eudora anywhere, you can do that with Thunderbird, it is that you can move the install folder after its installed. I manually moved the mbox files in tbird after a new install from the old install, they just aren't in the same place as Eudora but in the user data folder. Attachments can be wherever you like in Thunderbird, not sure where the fud started that the could not. On Oct 31, 2009 1:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: OK two more. Eudora allows you to install it wherever you want. It also allows you to specify where you want attachments saved. Plus each mailfolder, address book, filters etc. are saved in separate files that are easily moved. Stewart At 02:27 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: Well Thunderbird does everything you mention, so it isn't about what they can do, just that so... * ** List info, subscri... * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
If Eudora works for you that's great. I however do tire of the few who would complain that Vista broke Eudora etc and not realize that sometimes ten year old programs aren't going to keep working on new systems. If Eudora keeps humming along good times. On Oct 31, 2009 2:07 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: The times I tried installing Tbird I could not do that. Tbird manually installed itself into my documents and settings folder and I would have to dig down deep to get at its contents. I put Eudora into it's own folder on D: on my home setup or on C;\eudora. No searching for it. I will keep what I know for the time being. Stewart At 03:53 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: It's not that you can install Eudora anywhere, you can do... * ** List info, subscriptio... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I'd stick with Eudora too then...if it isn't broke don't fix it. Now you know you have an alternative if you need it. On Oct 31, 2009 5:37 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Thank you for clarifying it, I might just try it again. And yes it was one of the earlier ones. I have a tendency not to try it after a couple of times if my own programs work and don't need to be fixed. I am using WIN 7 and no problems with Eudora 7. Stewart At 07:14 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: Must have been a very early version or beta, I know very v... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Oz... ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a me... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
It will also be interesting when the next Verizon droid phone hits, the Eris, if it will have multitouch since we know the device itself does and we will find out if it is Verizon putting some weird controls in. On Oct 31, 2009 7:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Finally Tom gives us an answer. This one of those things like not including cut/paste in the first couple iPhone os's that makes users wonder what is going on. From forums on the web this looks like moto dropped the ball on this one since the hardware as well as android support multitouch. Multitouch does exist in the droid phone, just not where most want it most I think...the web browser. On Oct 31, 2009 6:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... ... * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Finally Tom gives us an answer. This one of those things like not including cut/paste in the first couple iPhone os's that makes users wonder what is going on. From forums on the web this looks like moto dropped the ball on this one since the hardware as well as android support multitouch. Multitouch does exist in the droid phone, just not where most want it most I think...the web browser. On Oct 31, 2009 6:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The truth appears in driblets... multitouch, which the Droid doesn't do * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I used it for years, switched to Thunderbird and then Outlook and now because of crappy dsl I stick to web mail. On Oct 30, 2009 8:55 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Did you ever used it? What you would replace it with? Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 30, 2009 6:45 PM To: COMPUTER... On Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I am trying Eudora 8m Beta 7 from ... Marcio * ** List info, subsc... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Uptime isn't the problem, it is speed of downloading the email. I found when I went from cable to horrid dsl, it took longer to start an email client, have it connect and download all the msgs then it did to just use gmail. To top that off my dsl provider doesn't offer email so I would need a web account anyway. I keep everything I can on the cloud, I have no need to keep email local. On Oct 30, 2009 9:43 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: That sounds counter productive. Webmail requires lots of up time and connectivity to read and then save what is needed. Eudora simply connects and then disconnects. Back in the day I used to have it dial and connect download mail and disconnect. Do you have such large attachments and such that it takes a lot of time to download your mail? Otherwise like Is id sounds counter productive. Stewart At 11:12 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote: I used it for years, switched to Thunderbird and then Ou... * ** List info, subscriptio... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Google maps navigation
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/28/google-redefines-car-gps-navigation-google-maps-navigation-android/ How much do we need a several hundred dollar TomTom app if Google is releasing this for free? BTW, still waiting for Tom to list all those things the android phone can't do...not holding my breath though. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Asking you to give some backing to your claim of the things missing on android is slightly different compared to asking about your philosophy of evil. You might be able to bs your way around evil like most lefties but I'd wager if you discussed android at any length greater then bashing it in vague ways, your ignorance would be made plain. On Oct 29, 2009 11:45 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I checked the Greek and there is a de... I was not talking niceties of translation. There are many roots of evil. I expect that now you and Mike will demand that I produce a list. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
What does droid have to do with ipod touches? On Oct 28, 2009 6:29 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote: What is a real gps? I am assuming you mean the iPhone ... The iPod uses triangulation based on cell phone towers with known locations. I think this depends on getting a signal from at least 3 towers. This is better in urban areas where cell towers are plentiful and line of site to satellites is too often blocked. Advice to backwoods droids is to simply move. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
BTW, how does the touch do this with no cellular antenna? Think it WiFi to get your location. On Oct 28, 2009 6:29 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote: What is a real gps? I am assuming you mean the iPhone ... The iPod uses triangulation based on cell phone towers with known locations. I think this depends on getting a signal from at least 3 towers. This is better in urban areas where cell towers are plentiful and line of site to satellites is too often blocked. Advice to backwoods droids is to simply move. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Tom was talking old touch, not iphones. On Oct 28, 2009 8:09 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike w... This might be a change on the newer models but Apple now uses the GPS satellites. According to Apple the iPhone 3GS uses Sattelites, Cell Towers and Wi-Fi locations to give location information for the GPS. http://www.apple.com/lae/iphone/features/gps.html A known fixed point in addition to the satellites can give better information than the Satellites alone.. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Maybe, I just have to stop expecting you to keep a thread straight. Or to make sense in general. On Oct 28, 2009 8:09 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:55 AM, mike wrote: What does droid have to do with ipod touches? Mike is dazed and confused (again). * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
I do...and three ipods. On Oct 28, 2009 10:42 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:17 AM, mike wrote: Maybe, I just have to stop expecting you to keep a th... Just quit banging your head on the table. Maybe if you owned a Mac? * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
It does, it would have tested the capacity of any network, but verizon's 3g covers a much larger swathe then and now compared to ATT. There have been articles out about with the new smartphones coming out, phones less painful to browse the web, that all the networks are going to be pushed. On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt way...@panix.com wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall trying to drag this back to 'puters - sort of Verizon also did not want to be stuck with the problems. From what I understood Apple wanted everything but was willing to give nothing. Verizon said we wont play that game. I'm not so sure that it wasn't more that Verizon and Apple wanted opposite ends of the control spectrum. They both wanted to control the platform, I don't know who walked or if ATT wanted the same thing and blinked first. So Apple approached ATT and ATT jumped at the deal because they needed a way to bring more folks in. (Sounds a lot like deceptive marketing to me). How much worse was ATT's network that Verizon's at the iPhone intro? As I understand it, the iPhone eats data service like candy. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Whip me, beat me, make me write BASIC! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Please Help! Scores (maybe hundreds) of emails have disappeared from my Outlook Express Inbox
Thunderbird does this too I believe On Oct 28, 2009 7:22 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Score another one for Eudora. Stewart At 10:04 PM 10/28/2009, you wrote: I'm using Eudora, and one reason I'm using Eudora is that ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 badly written errors (already!)
That is Vista, not win 7. On Oct 27, 2009 5:58 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I got my Family Pack (2 ... Link to guide on how to clean install an upgrade disc. http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp It still involves not initially entering the product key when first prompted and reinstalling overtop of WIN7. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
The rev is still under the impression you might back what you say. You'd think he would know better by now. On Oct 27, 2009 10:27 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Problem is you use vague terms. What... Trying to use an old Glenn Beck strategy on me? That won't work. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
I see it completely different. The front end represents that cutesy little iphone your friends might have. A nice toy but if you want a real phone for a grown up? Go droid. Just because you think horror movie doesn't mean everyone does, I know I didn't, none of my friends did. To the ones I've spoken to about it, the message was pretty clear and they were positive about it, even the iPhone users I know. There has been that undercurrent among some of those that don't like apple, that they produce toys. Ever hear the joke about Steve Jobs and his fisher price OS? I think this ad is playing on that. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:20 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: So, he's saying iPhone::iPod Touch::iPhone OS=father::son::holy ghost ? On a topic more related to the article, remember the YouTube Droid commercial (at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYM-XTqcecfeature=player_embedded) that was discussed here last week? I saw it on live TV this weekend. I thought it was all wrong when I saw it on the web, and I can't believe that they didn't fix it for TV distribution. It starts by playing an upbeat tune (with the lyrics Oh, it's magic) with brightly colored text messages saying things like iDon't have a real keyboard, iDon't have multitasking, etc., up to All the things iDon't have which is followed by the classic scifi/spy movie signal hijack sequence that takes us to an dark background with a ominous robot voice saying Droid Does. When you see this kind of thing in a horror movie advertisement, it makes you want to go see the movie about the scary thing, but it doesn't make you want to have the scary thing happen to you. Similarly, this commercial may make you want to find out more about Droid (and iPhone) but leaves you with the feeling that you want an iPhone and not a Droid. They should have reversed the visual and aural feeling for both segments of their commercial and make it more like the heroic rescuer movie advertisement, where everything is dark and somber (iPhone) and when it seems that there is no hope, a hero appears (Droid). As it is, their message is mixed and the net result is that they are probably actually selling iPhones. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102600648.html In a religious sense, the iPhone is a monotheistic religion. Basically, its OS believes in one device. Yes, I know there is the iPod touch, as well as variations of the iPhone (original, 3G, 3GS), but these are essentially all the same device with essentially thesame hardware, just boosted specs. Meanwhile, Android, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, Symbian, etc. are all polytheists. But pagans, while perhaps not exactly right, is a cooler term, so let's go with that. All of these other mobile OSes are pagans. They answer to many devices, their gods. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Only you could think r2d2 and c3po are evil. Being a MAC user, my little pony is probably more your speed. On Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:23 PM, mike wrote: I see it completely different. The front end represent... So Droid is for people who went to see Saw this weekend? Or people who want to star in Saw? It is an evil sounding name. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)
Sounds like the argument to use Windows...it has more apps! One of the new Verizon ads makes fun of 'there is an app for that' by showing a Verizon map app that shows their 3g coverage compared to the lack of with ATT. Apples biggest weakness has always been their poor network partner, and now with the android phones that are out and coming soon, there are phones that will offer good choices. There are things on that list iPhone users want despite what you want to make up. Open development and true multitasking are two of them. On Oct 26, 2009 2:13 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:20 PM, David K Watson wrote: They should have reversed the visual and aura... But that would not work at all. Just play yourself a couple of iPhone ads. Make a list of all the cool things that Apple has demonstrated how to do easily with the iPhone. It is all sweetness and light. They have made There's an app for that into a trademark. People know that there are 50,000 apps and that competing smart phones will have something between 5 and 50 apps. None of the claimed defects are on people's must have lists. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 badly written errors (already!)
I've read in several places that all the upgrade discs contain the full version and that no proof of earlier versions of windows on the HD or other media is needed. Between this and the 50 dollar windows copies you could get at amazon earlier this year, that makes this a good deal for some of those smart shoppers. On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I got my Family Pack (2 DVDs, 32 bit and 64 bit, one Product ID). Went to install it on a new hard drive and setup reached the point of asking me for the Product ID. I typed it. In a flyout I got: The product key is not valid Please retype the product key. It seemed to already have locked on the caps lock, and it was adding my dashes for me. But I dutifully tried to retype it several times before giving up and calling MS. In a call that must have lasted an hour all told, I eventually got the word to just leave that space blank and activate later, after install. That worked. I should also point out that they emailed me the instructions how to make my upgrade install a clean install (a registry setting). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
Touting that windows 7 is dramatically simplified. And this is the Apple way? So it would be better and smarter to tout that windows 7 dramatically increases the complexity of operations? Isn't this like complaining that toyota is copying honda by mentioning better mileage? Personally I think these stores are a horrible idea. MS does not control the PC environment it's choosing to serve the way Apple does. No matter how hard they try, I can't see this working even if MS wasn't incompetant in this area which I'm thinking they are close to being. On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: I have not been into a Microsoft store. I have seen the first of those stores by way of numerous videos that are now circulating on the internet. Word has it that these stores are going to all physically resemble the stores operated by Apple, and from the videos I have seen of the one on Scottsdale, this appears to be the case. I also have taken note of the fact that Microsoft is heavily touting that Windows 7 is going to dramatically SIMPLIFY operations and procedures under the Windows operating environment. Again, this seems to be a copying of the Apple tradition. Microsoft appears to want to mimic Apple as opposed to having a business model predicated upon differentiating itself from the major competition. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
Almost everything you mention has nothing to with ms. On Oct 25, 2009 7:43 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: Simplifying generally means hiding the details from the user, which I don't like. What I want from Windows is for it to work as advertised. Never a blue screen of death. Never a driver that can't be found. Never an incorrect driver loaded. Drivers available for any/all peripherals. And, dare I say it, Multiple Master fonts available. The ability to really add a whole lot of USB and Firewire peripherals that all work on a single machine, etc. Fred Holmes At 08:03 PM 10/25/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I have not been into a Microsoft store. I h... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WFBs Should Skip This Post
Yes I know the only good reviews are the reviews that carry your party line. Shouldn't matter that he actually used it for months and you've never used it. Much like your comment on android. Heaven forbid you actually use a product before you judge it. On Oct 23, 2009 1:37 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 1:19 PM, mike wrote: A good review of win 7 from the true blue king of the M... It is not a good review. It is a stupid review. Mossberg should know better. Remember those glowing pre-release reviews of Vista? It took a while to sink in that it was crap. Same for Apple's Snow Leopard. Initial reviews were superlative. Then we slowly discovered what was badly broken. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Does the Press Hate M$?
Either the press is incompetent or there are no WFBs since they seem to not be able to find any even at a ms opening. Or both. On Oct 22, 2009 4:20 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Microsoft's first retail store opens in Scottsdale http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_az_microsoft_store_opening.html Michelle Armstrong, a 20-year-old in pajama pants who slept outside the Scottsdale Fashion Square mall to be among the first in the store, said she was a bit disappointed in the bags, which included a $25 gift certificate, chapstick, mints, a bottle of water and tickets to an Ashley Tisdale concert at the store later in the day. I heard they'd be worth between $500 and $1,500, but I really did want to see the store, so it's not a total loss, she said. I think it looks really cool. When they dropped the curtain, I was really impressed. Others, like 45-year-old Malinda Harrell, were just there to get tickets to see Tisdale, one of the stars of High School Musical. I'm not into computer stuff, Harrell said, adding that she and her daughter would go to the concert but likely would never return to the Microsoft store. Kaelin Jacobson, a 20-year-old Web programmer, said he came to the store's opening to give Microsoft one last shot, adding that he's had a lot of problems with Vista, the last edition of Windows. Jacobson, who was carrying an Apple laptop, said he has to use Windows for his job and that Microsoft has an uphill battle to match its biggest competitor's sleek and popular stores. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Silly me. I expected you to actually back up what you said. On Oct 20, 2009 10:13 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 19, 2009, at 3:07 PM, mike wrote: Figured as much, more from Tom the judge of stuff he ha... More Glen Beck style logic from our WFB in Chief. To scoff at breathless reviews of products that have not been seen is not judging stuff unseen, it is judging the fan bois who write such drivel. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple’s Profit Climbs 47% as Sale s Gain
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/technology/companies/20apple.html?_r=1themc=th Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Not sure what your point is..no one knows what size the image sensor it has, let alone as you say the quality...but you are still dismissing it? Maybe wait till we actually know the quality? I would also rather have a great quality 2mp cam then a so so 5mp cam, but as yet, it is all speculation. I was more interested in finding out what Tom thinks is lacking in android..all the things it doesn't have as he said. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:46 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Well done. Of course it doesn't mention all the things the Android does not have. Competition will be good. Okay, apparently it has a five megapixel image sensor for its camera. So what? Five megapixels on what size sensor? Image quality is not derived from the number of megapixels alone. The physical sensor size that contains those five megapixels can be as important as the sheer number of pixels. Three megapixels on a larger sensor can outperform five megapixels on a smaller one. And let's not forget the lens. Sounds like more of the old megapixels wars to me. Yawn. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Of course, megapixel count is only one measure and in my opinion not a very important one. On Oct 19, 2009 6:41 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:33 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is..no o... Not dismissing it. I do, however, dismiss the megapixel wars as if that is the sole criteria by which to judge the capability of cameras. Steve * ** List info, ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Are you talking about Apple or Verizon? I seem to recall Apple touting a camera in their phone...as well as one in the new ipod nanos. It's called marketing, all companies do it, some better then others, but I don't recall you blasting Apple when they touted their camera. You mentioned all the things that are missing from android, like what? On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:38 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Not dismissing it. I do, however, dismiss the megapixel wars as if that is the sole criteria by which to judge the capability of cameras. The optics and CCD in a phone are going to be terrible. To make it not terrible would require a much larger phone and nobody is going to do that. The purpose of having a camera in a phone is not to take good pictures. Hence crowing about a 5MP CCD is just silly. They are pitching to ignorant rubes. They need to be careful about starting an us vs. them comparison. They may find that all the pros for the Driod are things that don't matter to consumers while all the pros for the iPhone are things that really do matter. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Well..we carry around little devices that carry our music that can't compete at all with larger more cumbersome devices. I don't think all ipod users are rubes just because they bought one. We carry around laptops that can't compete with desktop units, are all laptop buyers rubes? Or are they buying and using what works for them at the time they need something done? I've used cameras on phones for years, 99.9% of the time for fun, quick shots, unimportant but plenty good enough to send some silly picture to a friend. I've not been to many weddings, but I don't see professional photogs using phone cameras for the bride. It's all perspective, some of us might have 1000 dollar cameras, to the guy on a 30,000 Red, all those 1000 dollar camera buyers are ignorant rubes. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Many, perhaps even most folks who carry around a phone with a built-in camera appear to me to tend to use that to take most pictures as opposed to a real camera. It is seen as convenient, and for most folks, the images from such seem to be just fine. Ignorant rubes? Probably. However, ignorant rubes are the meat that makers of consumer gear tend to crave the most. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Cam, Microphone recommendations
You can check out podcasts you like and find out what they use. I'm pretty sure guys like Adam Curry keep lists of what they use online. If you not I'm sure you could email the podcasters and find out. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I was thinking more in line of a webcam that would attach to the monitor. Also looking for a decent mic for recording podcasts. Richard P. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:55 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Richard P. wrote: Can anyone make some recommendations for web cams, as well as a http://www.geekbrief.tv/brief-641-a-tale-of-three-cameras They use a $5000 camera for their podcast and compare it to cheaper models. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Still nothing, Tom? People on the list might be buying android phones and might want to know what you do about them. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:01 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: You mentioned all the things that are missing from android, like what? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Figured as much, more from Tom the judge of stuff he hasn't seen. BTW, what is your point in saying stuff you clearly can't back up? On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 19, 2009, at 2:19 PM, mike wrote: Still nothing, Tom? People on the list might be buying android phones and might want to know what you do about them. Good luck fan boi. Buying one would be a neat trick as even the date they will go on sale has not been announced. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Perhaps I did misunderstand. Point of fact I've never met anyone who thought a phone cam was just as good as a regular camera. The people I have met just believe that at the time, a phone cam is just fine. Same as those with laptops, just fine. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Well..we carry around little devices that carry our music that can't compete at all with larger more cumbersome devices. I don't think all ipod users are rubes just because they bought one. I think that you either misunderstood me or I failed to make my point clear enough. My point was that those folks who feel that images captured by their cell phone are just as good as what one can get from even a cheap or moderately priced camera are the rubes. I know a number of those folks. To them, a 5 megapixel image from a cell phone is the same as a 5 megapixel image from an actual camera. In other words, the pixel count is the bottom line...period. These folks did not think this up themselves, however. They have been convinced of this by manufacturers. We carry around laptops that can't compete with desktop units, are all laptop buyers rubes? No. Only those who think that their laptop can do everything just as efficiently and effectively as any desktop are the rubes. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
Good recommendation on the website! On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: Steve, you are entirely right, and it is quite depressing to me how very many cameras have been sold on the basis of augmented megapixels. The sensor is key, and its size truly determines quality of image. Those of us who formerly were dedicated to excellence in the film era have wandered in a ten-year nightmare of mediocrity until now, only today can avail ourselves of cameras reasonably priced that come close to the real raw that Ken Rockwell http://www.kenrockwell.com/ describes as the capability of even 35mm. Set aside the former standards of rollfilm and 4x5, which, in the 1950's, were the province of ordinary press coverage. Truly depressing to see media and cultural acceptance today of the pedestrian. Interesting that Kodak, thought moribund, now produces the very best sensors anywhere, and that the new Leica M9 takes advantage of those, as do NASA probes, shunting the utterly sophomoric/complex entries of both Nikon and Canon sideways. One hopes that not long from now, the curses of shutter-lag, low dynamic range, inadequate color management will once again be overcome in cameras affordable and decipherable to all, both amateur and professional. That this is slightly off-topic, but a good chance to air some views, I apologise. Thank you. --- On Mon, 10/19/09, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:38 AM On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:33 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is..no one knows what size the image sensor it has, let alone as you say the quality...but you are still dismissing it? Not dismissing it. I do, however, dismiss the megapixel wars as if that is the sole criteria by which to judge the capability of cameras. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple attempts to one up MS in account data deletion..possibly good job
I sent that before your post, it just arrived. On Oct 18, 2009 11:27 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:10 PM, mike wrote: Via Digg and engadget. Apparently under snow cat if y... I posted that here a week ago. We wish all WFBs a good morning. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone
What are all the things it doesn't have? On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:02 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 17, 2009, at 11:31 PM, mike wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYM-XTqcecfeature=player_embedded Well done. Of course it doesn't mention all the things the Android does not have. Competition will be good. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
