Re: [css-d] form formatting...

2011-06-12 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 17:00 -0500 on 06/12/2011, Michael Beaudoin wrote about [css-d] 
form formatting...:



Hi all.

I've been working on forms but I'm having trouble with some formatting issues.

I have to incorporate some outside code for sweepstakes tracking and 
I'm having a heck of a time getting the birthdate field and the 
state pulldown to wrap so all is lined up.


Can someone take a quick peek and see where I messed up, or what I'm missing?

http://ba-doyn.com/junk/widget_test/index_redo.html

Thanks,
Michael



I know that this is a CSS list but your layout might be better done 
as a Table (with two columns). Your current layout is a single line 
of data which relies on the Browser to wrap. As noted, different 
browsers have different widths that that are using. Also the birth 
date entry should be 3 drop down menus (it makes entry easier). As an 
alternative to the use of tables, you can force wrapping by just 
ending each entry with a br /.

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Re: [css-d] form formatting...

2011-06-12 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 21:30 -0500 on 06/12/2011, Michael Beaudoin wrote about Re: 
[css-d] form formatting...:



On Jun 12, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Bob Rosenberg wrote:

At 17:00 -0500 on 06/12/2011, Michael Beaudoin wrote about [css-d] 
form formatting...:



Hi all.

I've been working on forms but I'm having trouble with some 
formatting issues.


I have to incorporate some outside code for sweepstakes tracking 
and I'm having a heck of a time getting the birthdate field and 
the state pulldown to wrap so all is lined up.


Can someone take a quick peek and see where I messed up, or what 
I'm missing?


http://ba-doyn.com/junk/widget_test/index_redo.html

Thanks,
Michael



I know that this is a CSS list but your layout might be better done 
as a Table (with two columns). Your current layout is a single line 
of data which relies on the Browser to wrap. As noted, different 
browsers have different widths that that are using. Also the birth 
date entry should be 3 drop down menus (it makes entry easier). As 
an alternative to the use of tables, you can force wrapping by just 
ending each entry with a br /.


I would have loved to knock it out in a table, but the widgets 
necessary by the third party are not set up for tables... at least I 
don't believe that are.


Thanks,
Michael



When you talk about widgets I assume that you are using something to 
generate the HTML code for the page. If each entry is being generated 
individually, you might still be able to slip a br / before each 
label which will give you the wrapping that I suggested as an 
alternative to a table. If you are talking about server side 
scripting to process the form (and you code the page by hand) the use 
of tables will not affect what is being sent to the server. How is 
the page being generated (since I assume that there is some type of 
generation going on to slip a unique ID in for the hidden field)?

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Re: [css-d] Erratum

2011-03-30 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 16:49 +0100 on 03/30/2011, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote 
about [css-d] Erratum:



Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:


 Surely the goal is to write fully conformant documents that
 render reliably (if not necessarily consistently) in all
 mainstream browsers; if the alternative is to write non-
 conformant documents in order to pander to the inability
 of browser vendors to W3C specifications, then count me
 out, please.


... to pander to the inability of browser vendors to comply
  with W3C specifications 


I question if inability is the correct description. With some 
browser vendors IMO a more accurate term would be refusal. They can 
but do not for their own reasons. Their attitude, to paraphrase a 
famous movie line, is W3C Specifications? Our Browsers don't need to 
obey/conform-to no Stinking W3C Specifications.

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Re: [css-d] slight layout change: center numbers in circles.

2011-01-14 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 08:17 +0200 on 01/11/2011, Jukka K. Korpela wrote about Re: 
[css-d] slight layout change: center numbers in circles:



Bob Rosenberg wrote:


You can also just use the numbers in the U+2776-U+2793 range which
will give you 1-10 as Serif numbers in black or white circles as well
as Sans-Serif 1-10 in black circles. Why fool around when the
characters exist in your fonts?


On the theoretical side: because these characters are dingbats, 
i.e. specific graphics encoded as characters in a technical sense 
but not true text characters.


On the practical side: because they mostly _don't_ exist in fonts. 
See the short font list at

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2776/fontsupport.htm
People's computers may have other fonts containing dingbats, but a) 
the appearances may be surprising and b) those fonts may have 
non-Unicode encodings.


You are looking at the situation backwards. Admittedly the characters 
do not exist in every font. This does not however prevent them from 
being displayed. So long as the font-family that is active when the 
#x; entry is encountered AND one of the fonts listed exists on 
the user's system, the character SHOULD be displayed. I am not sure 
what the rules are when the first selected font does not contain the 
character but a subsequent one does (ie: Will it search the 
subsequent fonts for the character or just give up since it has found 
a prior font that is usable). The best solution is to ONLY list fonts 
that contain the needed character. Also make sure that for each 
platform (Mac, Windows, Linux) you list a system font with the 
character (ie: Those Fonts that are common to more than one platform 
or are always installed on a platform).


For Windows and Macintosh listing Arial Unicode MS, ITC Zapf 
Dingbats, and Zapf Dingbats should insure that you will always find 
at least one available font on the user's system. I am not sure what 
font to use for Linux but I think that a Zapf Dingbats font exists 
there and will be installed.


Note the to insure that the first available font is used, you should 
declare a CSS class (such as dingbat) that lists ONLY the fonts with 
the characters and code the #x; as span 
class=dingbat#x;/span.


I hope  this helps and explains my suggestion.



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Re: [css-d] slight layout change: center numbers in circles.

2011-01-10 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 13:53 -0500 on 01/10/2011, Rory Bernstein wrote about [css-d] 
slight layout change: center numbers in circles.:



Hello All,

http://mcgivney.ehclients.com/

On this page, you will see a big jQuery slideshow thing. I has some 
numbers in circles that let you select the slide to see. How can I 
get the numbers centered exactly in the circles? I can't seem to 
figure that out.


Thank you,
Rory


You can also just use the numbers in the U+2776-U+2793 range which 
will give you 1-10 as Serif numbers in black or white circles as well 
as Sans-Serif 1-10 in black circles. Why fool around when the 
characters exist in your fonts?

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Re: [css-d] Font-face, alignment issue similar to images

2011-01-09 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 11:21 +1100 on 01/10/2011, Andrew Cunningham wrote about Re: 
[css-d] Font-face, alignment issue similar to images:



Nancy, you are mixing encodings within a document. If you do want to
use a character rather than an image, you should use the appropriate
Unicode character, considering the website is UTF-8: U+260E

Look for a font that has this character. It will also allow browsers
on various operating systems to sue font fallback mechanisms if the
browser can't use web fonts.


By giving a number of font families you should be able to list one 
that will be on the user's machine. ITC Zapf Dingbats (or Zapf 
Dingbats) along with Arial Unicode would seem to insure that one is 
in the list for Windows and Macintosh. Wingdings is on the machines 
also (although I am not sure if it is Unicode Mapped). Linux is a 
separate issue but I think that there is a list of common fonts that 
might help.

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Re: [css-d] browser testing, and redirect.

2010-12-25 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 17:59 +0800 on 12/25/2010, Chris Blake wrote about [css-d] browser 
testing, and redirect.:



Hi,

http://www.emw8.com/


Mac FF 3.5.16 gets the following PHP errors (which I assume you are 
aware of) but otherwise seems to work.


Warning: imagejpeg() [function.imagejpeg]: Unable to open 
'/var/www/vhosts/emw8.com/httpdocs/cache/mod_novasfh/tmp/thb_websites.jpg' 
for writing in 
/var/www/vhosts/emw8.com/httpdocs/modules/mod_novasfh/helper.php on 
line 636


Warning: imagejpeg() [function.imagejpeg]: Unable to open 
'/var/www/vhosts/emw8.com/httpdocs/cache/mod_novasfh/tmp/thb_redrunner3d.jpg' 
for writing in 
/var/www/vhosts/emw8.com/httpdocs/modules/mod_novasfh/helper.php on 
line 636


Warning: imagejpeg() [function.imagejpeg]: Unable to open 
'/var/www/vhosts/emw8.com/httpdocs/cache/mod_novasfh/tmp/thb_yootheme.jpg' 
for writing in 
/var/www/vhosts/emw8.com/httpdocs/modules/mod_novasfh/helper.php on 
line 636


Also when I use the Default User Agent Plug-In to claim to be 
Win-IE6, I am NOT directed to http://www.emw8.com/index.php/en/ie6 
but just get the normal page with no formatting or images. The same 
thing happens with Mac Safari 5.0.3 when I use the Develop Menu to 
tell the server I am Win-IE6. You might want to look at your PHP code 
to see (and report) the information being passed to the server when 
these emulate settings are used and how it differs from what is 
received when a real copy of Win-IE6 connects.

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Re: [css-d] Vendor prefixes and validation

2010-12-21 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 13:28 +0100 on 12/20/2010, Gabriele Romanato wrote about [css-d] 
Vendor prefixes and validation:


In response to the criticisms moved against my CSS template #1, 
here's my point of view on that matter:


http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/12/css-vendor-prefixes-and-validation.html


Part of the problem in my opinion is the broken nature of the 
validation routines. They reject as invalid any Vendor Prefix and 
thus reject as invalid any page that is otherwise valid. There should 
be switches that you can use to tell the Validator that it is to 
accept any vendor prefix as valid and just care about standard 
W3C-Blessed CSS. Vendor Prefixes are ignored by browsers that do not 
understand them (ie: FF ignores -ms-* and IE ignores -mozilla-*) and 
WHEN TOLD TO so should the W3C and other Validators.

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Re: [css-d] Hack or conditional comments for small screen aps?

2010-10-31 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 17:45 -0400 on 10/31/2010, David Laakso wrote about Re: [css-d] 
Hack or conditional comments for small screen a:



On 10/31/10 5:04 PM, Nancy wrote:
Is there a hack or conditional comment that would allow me to 
change the left positioning of the fixed menu when it is viewed on 
a cell phone browser?


Thank you,
Nancy



You may want to consider using CSS3 Media Queries. t/
/http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/#media0
Bruce Lawson-- mobile friendly
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/the-mobile-web-optimization-guide/
Smashing Magazine
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/07/19/how-to-use-css3-media-queries-to-create-a-mobile-version-of-your-website/
Stuff and Nonsense: CSS3 Media Queries
http://stuffandnonsense.co.uk/blog/about/hardboiled_css3_media_queries

Best,
~d


Which is predicated on the expectation/hope that the cell phone's 
browser supports this level of CSS. A way to get the same result is 
via Server Side Scripting to send a tailored set of CSS. Note that I 
am NOT advocating this method but only pointing it out.

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Re: [css-d] Fonts, fall-backs Unicode

2010-07-13 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 8:51 PM +0900 on 07/13/2010, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote about Re: 
[css-d] Fonts, fall-backs  Unicode:

A modern OS / browser will do the job for you.  You can specify a 
fallback font if your first choice is not available:

p { font-family: font-a, font-b, font-c, serif;}

Gecko, WebKit, Opera, and IE 8+ will look for the glyphs in font-a, 
if that doesn't have the coverage [*], the browser looks at font-b, 
then font-c; if that fail, it takes the default serif font / or / 
look for something in the list of installed fonts that provide 
coverage.

The problem is two fold (in my opinion).

First is that unlike with printing use, there is no Font of Last 
Resort fall-back. That support says to use the defined font BUT if 
there are glyphs in the text which are not in the font then to 
attempt to display them using the FoLR (ie: The only use of the FoLR 
glyphs to display the missing codepoints).

The second problem is that there is no way to request that the 
fall-back be done ONLY for missing codepoints (similar to the FoLR 
support). In your example above, requesting one or more glyphs that 
are not in font-a makes the browser try font-b and then font-c until 
a font is found that has support for ALL the requested glyphs. If 
none contain all the needed glyphs (even though all the glyphs exist 
in the combined list of supported glyphs), you get the browser's 
default serif with undefined codepoint glyphs for the codepoints 
not in the serif font. What I think should be looked into for the 
long term is defining a CSS font-x parm that says use font-a to 
display those glyphs that it supports (assuming that the font exists 
- non-existence is equivalent for this purpose as does not support a 
glyph) and fall-back down the list for the remaining glyphs until 
every glyph has been displayed by a suggested font or a missing 
codepoint glyph gets defaulted to.

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Re: [css-d] Changes how (some) browsers handle the a:visited pseudo-class

2010-04-11 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 09:20 +0900 on 04/10/2010, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote about 
[css-d] Changes how (some) browsers handle the a:visited ps:

In short, those browsers will limit the ways the a:visited state can 
be styled. Color, background-color, and to some extend, outline, 
border are not affected, as long as you don't use alpha-transparency 
(rgba()), change the border-style or border-width, etc. Other 
changes will be ignored and fall back to what is specified for the 
a:link state.

Am I reading this to say that font-* (such as style and weight, etc.) 
will be ignored and set to the :link value even when different in the 
:visited version?

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Re: [css-d] Changes how (some) browsers handle the a:visited pseudo-class

2010-04-11 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 07:19 +0100 on 04/10/2010, Philip TAYLOR wrote about Re: [css-d] 
Changes how (some) browsers handle the a:visite:

A user-controllable feature within the browser, on the other hand,
would provide a convenient way of working around any deficienc{y|ies}
in the specification(s) whilst still allowing the user to have a
fully compliant browser if he/she so wishes.

Also IMO the feature should be OFF unless the user SPECIFICALLY 
activates it (not set to ON requiring the user to turn it off to 
cripple it).

IOW: If you want to have the Browser play Net Nanny then require the 
user to give permission not do it behind the user's back until the 
browser is told to stop messing with the page/code and display it as 
supplied.
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Re: [css-d] doctype

2010-04-01 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 12:47 +0200 on 04/01/2010, MB wrote about Re: [css-d] doctype:

Chris Blake told:

Sorry! This document can not be checked.

When i try to validate anything that is UTF8.


If you kept reading you would see that the validation page says further down:

I am unable to validate this document because on line 35  it contained
one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8  (in other words, the
bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding)

This means your file contains erroneus characters. What I usually do is
to start a new utf-8 encoded HTML-file and start anew.
If I have a more full source-file I copy the source and start a new
utf-8 encoded HTML-file in my editor and paste the source code into
that. Sometimes the erroneus characters may follow with the copy
process. In that case you have to make sure you copy only valid parts.

This line should read All content copy; 2010 
WCH ... and it will be OK. The problem is that there is a 
literal © pasted there and this is an invalid UTF-8 character (since 
it is High-ASCII and thus needs to be UTF-8 Encoded - Use of copy; 
fixes this issue).
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Re: [css-d] Transcendant web design and CSS3

2010-03-08 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 19:40 -0500 on 03/07/2010, Freelance Traveller wrote about Re: 
[css-d] Transcendant web design and CSS3:

Thank you; this does indeed appear to be quite useful - and tells me
that CSS3 is not ready for prime time, and probably should not yet be
used as I'd like to use it.

It is not ready for prime time and will not be ready for the 
foreseeable future due to the need to serve to IE Browsers. So long 
as you can ignore IE support (or can serve a stripped down version to 
the IE holdout users) you can according to the chart use it now since 
all the other browsers currently support it (or do with all but 
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Re: [css-d] FW: bemstrongi tags

2010-03-06 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 20:08 + on 03/06/2010, Philip TAYLOR (Ret'd) wrote about Re: 
[css-d] FW:  bemstrongi tags:

Thierry Koblentz wrote:

  fwiw, I don't agree.

  If an author wants italics or bold then heemshould/em,
  strongmust/strong, usei  andb.
  To stay on-topic I won't mention semantics (should be a no brainer though),
  but CSS: a User Agent does *not* have to makeem  italics andstrong
  bold, but it has to fori  andb.

Although I don't disagree with your underlying premiss,
I do disagree with your conclusions.  A User Agent is no
more obliged to render i elements in italics, or
b elements in bold, than it is required to set off
p elements by vertical white space.  CSS gives
both author and consumer the opportunity (or right,
or privilege : call it what you will) to override
any of those default renderings, as in :

   I {font-style: normal; font-weight: bold}
   B {font-style: italic; font-weight: normal}
   P {margin-top: 0ex; margin-bottom: 0ex}

Philip Taylor

You are confusing two issues. What the statement you are replying to 
said was that i and b will ALWAYS be displayed as respectively 
italic and bold by the UA/Browser. em and strong on the other 
hand will display in whatever style the Designer of the UA/Browser 
decided they should (although the usual method is italic and bold 
respectively).

This is how the displays work UNLESS you override the decision of the 
UA via use of CSS rules. When you say A User Agent is no more 
obliged to render i elements in italics, or b elements in bold 
... you are incorrect. In the absence of a CSS override i and b 
ARE orders to display in italic or bold.

CSS is a way of changing the built-in defaults for how to display 
text enclosed in the different tags.

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Re: [css-d] Deprecations in recent versions of HTML cause CSS problems?

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 18:42 -0800 on 02/09/2010, Theresa Mesa wrote about Re: [css-d] 
Deprecations in recent versions of HTML cause C:

One thing you must consider, too, is that on the web, you should only
underline something that is an actual link

Which is ALSO displayed in BLUE (or the user's selected LINK color) 
and will have a cursor change when hovered over. Thus an underlined 
BLACK phrase is NOT identified as a hot link due to its non-link 
color and non-cursor-altering hover result.  BTW: There are a number 
of cases where the use of an underline AS an underline occurs by 
using the link color and a dot underline for the real links. If 
underlining needs to be reserved FOR underlining, the use of an A 
CSS Rule to dot underline and color the links should handle the 
possible confusion.
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Re: [css-d] [OT] RE: u/u - why did it have to die?

2010-01-17 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 13:23 -0800 on 01/15/2010, Thierry Koblentz wrote about Re: 
[css-d] [OT] RE:  u/u - why did it have to die?:

I don't agree.
RADAR is an acronym because you're not supposed to spell the letters.
CPU is an initialism, because you are supposed to spell the letters.

Considering CPU (or else) as both an acronym and initialism would 
allow two different pronunciations.

Initialisms are a subset of Acronyms - IOW: All Initialisms are 
Acronyms since both stand for the initial letter(s) of a phrase 
(RAdio Detection And Ranging and Central Processing Unit 
respectively). The way the string is pronounced determines where an 
Acronym is also an Initialism. The pronunciation does NOT prevent a 
Initialism from being an Acronym.
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Re: [css-d] Bold not working

2009-08-25 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 11:01 -0400 on 08/25/2009, Brian M. Curran wrote about [css-d] 
Bold not working:

My CSS validated, but making my text bold for the picture links on 
my portfolio page isn't working via the pseudo class selectors. Does 
someone have a minute to give it a glance? 
http://www.brianmcurran.com/portfolio.html

One tip that I have found on an issue of this type (ie: Is the CSS 
being used?) is to add something such as a color definition to that 
selector definition. Thus if the text changes to the correct color 
you know that your selector is being used. You could also try italic 
in lieu of bold for the same test. That catches the case where a 
later CSS definition is resetting you back to normal.
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Re: [css-d] the old 'tables vs. divs'

2009-08-01 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 19:36 +0100 on 08/01/2009, MEM wrote about Re: [css-d] the old 
'tables vs. divs':

   I was studying the CSS and the page structure and I noticed that the
  designer used a series of table cels to create that design.  Not only
  will the page not validate but I wondered what you guys have to say
  about the notion of using tables to affect this design?

I'm like a robot on that: tables, for tabular data. Is the layout structure
tabular data? No. CSS will do it.

Except for the fact that in some cases CSS is (currently?) incapable 
of creating the same layout as can be created with a Table (Maybe 
CSS3 will be able to once it gets rolled out in a few years).
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Re: [css-d] the old 'tables vs. divs'

2009-08-01 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 19:40 +0100 on 08/01/2009, Christian Heilmann wrote about Re: 
[css-d] the old 'tables vs. divs':

Todd Bingham wrote:
  Gentlemen,

  This is not my site, but I went there as a result of a tutorial I was 
  taking on Lynda.com.

  http://www.nypl.org/

  I was studying the CSS and the page structure and I noticed that the 
  designer used a series of table cels to create that design.  Not only 
  will the page not validate but I wondered what you guys have to say 
  about the notion of using tables to affect this design?

  I'd appreciate any comments because I have an old site I did for a 
  client who recently heard the phrase 'table-less' and is bugging me 
  about changing it over, and I'm afraid he's thinking it should be on 
  my nickel.

  What do you all think..

http://www.shouldiusetablesforlayout.com/

Which responds with a blanket NO ignoring the possibility that 
there may be layouts that can be done via Tables but is impossible to 
create via CSS.


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[css-d] Removing the Blank Line/Space between Paragraphs

2009-07-26 Thread Bob Rosenberg
I use the text-indent CSS parm to indent the first line of each 
paragraph. I have been requested to remove the blank line/space that 
occurs between paragraphs triggered by the /pp sequence of tags 
so the lines occur as one block of text with only the indention and 
the short line at the end of each paragraph signaling the paragraphs.

Is there a CSS parm I can use to eliminate the blank line between the 
paragraphs and, if so, what parm do I use?

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Re: [css-d] Removing the Blank Line/Space between Paragraphs

2009-07-26 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 16:13 +0900 on 07/26/2009, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote about Re: 
[css-d] Removing the Blank Line/Space between Paragraph:

On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Bob Rosenberg wrote:

  I use the text-indent CSS parm to indent the first line of each
  paragraph. I have been requested to remove the blank line/space that
  occurs between paragraphs triggered by the /pp sequence of tags
  so the lines occur as one block of text with only the indention and
  the short line at the end of each paragraph signaling the paragraphs.

  Is there a CSS parm I can use to eliminate the blank line between the
  paragraphs and, if so, what parm do I use?

parm ? You probably mean 'property'.

Yes. I am just used to thinking of them as parameters (like with HTML 
Tags). They are basically the same thing.

p {margin:0;} ought to do what you want.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/box.html#margin-properties

Thanks. That did it.


Philippe
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Re: [css-d] Problem with all Mac browsers according to BrowserCam

2009-07-19 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 20:47 -0500 on 07/18/2009, Reese wrote about Re: [css-d] Problem 
with all Mac browsers according to Brow:

It isn't asnSEO-friendly as text links and SEO-friendliness is important.

So long as each image has an ALT tag with the text, the SEO Police 
should be reading it and treating it as if it were the text itself.
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Re: [css-d] firefox problem

2009-07-08 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 15:55 +0100 on 07/08/2009, David Dorward wrote about Re: [css-d] 
firefox problem:

The second thing to deal with is the syntax errors:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hcam.net%2Fposts.htmlcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0

Once you've dealt with the machine detectable errors, then start
worrying about browsers rendering things other than as you expect.

They are NOT syntax errors per-sa but harmless Markup from his 
WebDesign program. They can be automatically eliminated from the copy 
uploaded to the Web Site (while leaving them in the master copy on 
his computer) by having the WebDesign program create a clean copy for 
manual uploading or having it clean the copy it uploads itself. This 
is the same type of crud that Office creates when it outputs HTML so 
that the HTML can be round-trip read back into Office as if it were a 
.DOC not a .HTM/.HTML format file.

There are no REAL (ie: HTML statement) syntax errors there only non-HTML tags.
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Re: [css-d] List bullet sizes

2009-07-07 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 23:30 -0400 on 07/07/2009, Stephen Tang wrote about Re: [css-d] 
List bullet sizes:

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Daniel Navarrowebpe...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,

li {
  list-style-type: none;  /* remove default bullets */
}

li:before {
  content: \2022; /* hex codification bull;  */
  color: blue;
  margin-right: 0.3em;
}

   (this doesn't work in IE6)

Broken IE6 strikes again. Since this is IMO the correct solution/way 
to insure the correct bullet gets used, why not use it and use a 
conditional statement to tell IE6 to just do its own thing by not 
doing these overrides.
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Re: [css-d] Alignment issue

2009-06-29 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 09:59 -0800 on 11/22/2006, Russ Peters wrote about [css-d] Alignment issue:

http://www.redcanoecu.com/index1.asp

This gets a error message. The text is:


There was error while processing your request.
Please try again. Contact Red Canoe Credit Union at 800-562-5611 or 
email i...@redcanoecu.com if you continue to receive this error or 
try a search.



Also, in IE6 if you go from the home page to the LOANS page do you get
an error message? I keep an error only in IE6 and it's so vague that I
can't pinpoint the problem. I'm still working on that one...but if you
see something there I'd love to hear it.

When I go to your index.asp page (which I assume is the index1.asp 
page without modifications, you have the following tags which, since 
you are XHTML, should be lower case (they get validation errors):

META HTTP-EQUIV=Pragma CONTENT=no-cache
META HTTP-EQUIV=Expires CONTENT=-1

They should be:

meta http-equiv=pragma content=no-cache
meta http-equiv=expires content=-1
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Re: [css-d] CSS Menu Over Many Web Pages in a Site

2009-04-04 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 17:20 -0500 on 04/04/2009, Wayne Wickson wrote about [css-d] CSS 
Menu Over Many Web Pages in a Site:

I'm new to CSS, but a conceptual problem has occurred to me.  If this is a
stupid question, please humour me.
Lets assume I am designing a web site of one hundred pages.  I design a
horizontal dropdown menu which links to each of the one hundred pages.  So
each page is available from each of the other pages.  I need to add a new
page or several pages.  Is there a way, using only CSS, to easily change the
menu on each of the one hundred pages on the site without actually using an
editor and modifying the one hundred lists one list at a time?  Thanks for
any help I receive.

If you are willing to require that your users are not paranoid enough 
to cripple their Browser's JavaScript support, you can do this by 
just generating the navigation menu with a JavaScript (you update the 
script with the new links and they get inserted as the page loads). 
This method will also allow the link to the current page to have its 
own CSS Definition so it will display differently to indicate that it 
is the link for the current page (this is done by assigning a 
different class if the page-id matches the href link - it can also 
cause that link to just have the link text without the A tag).

If you use a design tool like BBEdit, GoLive, Dreamweaver, etc., it 
can insert the menu from a separate file that is inserted into each 
page. When you update that file, all the pages are automatically 
rewritten (and then just need to be re-uploaded to your site).
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Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 11:01 + on 03/13/2009, Bobby Jack wrote about Re: [css-d] Font 
size dilemma:

Having said all that, I don't think we need to be too dogmatic about 
it. Web pages are NOT the same as books - I believe there should be 
more of a visual identity to a site than just a logo and a couple of 
images. If browsers did a better job of handling font-sizing, every 
web site could easily be readable by all whilst maintaining a unique 
look of its own, even in regards to the 'base' font size.

In some ways CSS is a step backwards on this issue from the old HTML 
FONT tag. With FONT ... you display in the USER'S defined font size 
and increase/decrease the display via the SIZE parm. With CSS you can 
get the same result via use of EM or % sizes but using PT (or other 
measures that ignore the user's default font size) causes the user's 
settings to be overridden and ignored.
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Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 21:26 -0400 on 03/14/2009, Felix Miata wrote about Re: [css-d] 
Font size dilemma:

It's also possible for fonts to show up at the preferred size, regardless how
large or small that happens to be. It's also possible that the difficulties
resulting from common too small fonts will be reduced or eliminated.

There is also the problem that the character height on a site 
designed on a Windows Machine makes the characters look smaller on a 
Macintosh Computer (to get the same image size on the Mac you must 
bump the size up one notch). This has to do with the 96dpi font 
sizing on the Windows Machine requiring larger letters than the 
Macintosh fonts which are based on 72dpi measurements.
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Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 16:59 +0100 on 03/15/2009, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gunlaug_S=F8rtun?= wrote 
about Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma:

6: if a printed work has too small text, the end-user can either use a
magnifying glass or throw the entire work into the fireplace.

Or just buy the book (or get it from your local public library) as a 
LPE (Large Print Edition - ie: 16pt type [like the children's books 
use]) in the first place.
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Re: [css-d] css, in place of javascript

2009-03-07 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 00:29 +1100 on 03/08/2009, karla pringle wrote about Re: [css-d] 
css, in place of javascript:

Is there a way to rollover an image and have text elsewhere on the 
page apply a hover attribute.
for example I mouse over an image on the page and the text below is
highlighted.

How about:

a href=# id=Ximg ...brText/a

and doing the CSS hover to point at X?
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Re: [css-d] Centering images with caption in a column

2009-01-01 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 15:09 -1000 on 01/01/2009, david wrote about Re: [css-d] Centering 
images with caption in a column:

As long as visitors (like me) can use their browsers at widths narrower
than 1024, we should accommodate them. Also, the web reaches beyond the
desktop. Users of iPhones/iTouches and other mobile browsing devices
don't have a choice.

That difference is what the media=handheld parm is for. To support 
iPhones/etc. you just have a separate set of CSS definitions that 
takes the limited screen width into account.
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Re: [css-d] declaration specificity - less-specific line overrides more-specific line?

2008-10-13 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 08:36 + on 10/13/2008, Bobby Jack wrote about Re: [css-d] 
declaration specificity - less-specific line ov:

   On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Erik Harris wrote:

   I've got a ul element buried with this
  hierarchy:
   div#sidebar  ul  li#pages  ul
  
   I've got the following two lines in my stylesheet:
  
   #sidebar ul ul {margin: 5px 0 0 10px;}
   #pages ul {margin: 0em; padding: 0em;}
  
   Despite the fact that it seems that the second line
  should be more
   specific (#pages is more specific because it's
  deeper in the 
   hierarchy),

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  #sidebar ul ul : a=1 b=0 c=2 -- 102
  #pages ul a=1 b=0 c=1 -- 101

   http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#specificity

Just to expand on Philippe's brief (although totally correct) explanation:

CSS does not take hierarchy into account when calculating 
specificity, however illogical that might seem. The first rule 
'wins' merely because of the additional 'ul'. You could rewrite that 
second selector #sidebar #pages ul to resolve this issue.

This change wins because it scores 201 (2 IDs). The problem with 
the scoring (as you note) is that if the first had one one ul, both 
would score 101 and hierarchy in theory need to come into play to 
select. If I remember correctly, the order of encounter of the rules 
is what ends up getting used as the tie-breaker in the case of 
duplicate scores (ie: Either the first or last winning rule). A 
better method (at least for tie-breaking if not specificity) is to 
use the hierarchy (ie: Which one is included in the range covered by 
the other as if they were nested SPANs).


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Re: [css-d] Overflow and no

2008-10-07 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 11:14 AM -0600 on 10/7/08, Jack Blankenships wrote about [css-d] 
Overflow and no:

Any ideas on how to have an element's overflow property apply to some
children but not to others?

For example,  I have a div that contains a table/grid that I want to
have set to overflow: auto on a specific height.  This way the results
stay within a specific set of dimensions and do not push the rest of
the layout into undesirable locations.  The problem is that I also
want to include some css tooltips for specific cells in this
table/grid, some of which are large enough that I would like to expand
them out of this standard boundary because they would be displayed
above the layout content and disappear when :hover is not activated.

Thanks,
Jack

You might try creating a Class definition with the overflow setting 
you want for the special cells and add the class= parm to those 
cells. This SHOULD override the setting inherited from the div.

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Re: [css-d] start an ordered list at a number 1

2008-02-08 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 18:22 -0500 on 02/07/2008, Tim White wrote about Re: [css-d] start 
an ordered list at a number  1:

You can use ol start=x (whatever number you need) to start a list at a
new number. Or, you can use li value=x to skip numbering within a list.

Both attributes are deprecated, so they are only valid under HTML 4.01 or
XHTML 1.0 Transitional.

OTOH, by use of an ID= on the LI, you can use a CSS command to 
[re]set the index value.

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Re: [css-d] Transitional Vs. Strict Doctype

2008-02-06 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 09:46 -0800 on 02/06/2008, Elli Vizcaino wrote about [css-d] 
Transitional Vs. Strict Doctype:

Hello List,

Not sure if this would fall under off topic. But I
wanted to know what the reasons are for using a strict
doc type as opposed to transitional. I use strict in
my documents but wondered why it seems to be a bad
idea to go with transitional as I've seen a couple of
topics graze the issue from time to time. 

Can someone elaborate? And if this is off-topic please
email me off list.

TIA,
Elli

Aside from the different treatment of CSS with the two Doctypes, the 
simplistic answer is that if you use depreciated tags (ie: Those that 
have been declared illegal in Strict) you need to use Transitional 
when they are occur in your HTML.

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Re: [css-d] How will firefox 3 affect web developers?

2007-11-29 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 11:31 -0800 on 11/29/2007, David Hucklesby wrote about Re: [css-d] 
How will firefox 3 affect web developers?:

As for content, you don't say whether FF 3 is available on Mac?

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Re: [css-d] clearfix tweak needed on IE7

2007-10-06 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 11:00 AM -0700 on 10/6/07, David Hucklesby wrote about Re: [css-d] 
clearfix tweak needed on IE7:

Of course, you could simply use:

   .clearfix {zoom: 1;}

since only IE 5/6/7 Win recognize zoom.

Won't fix IE 5.01 Win though. You will still need the height: 1%;
if you care about that browser.

You can support IE5 with an IF IE5 clause with IE6/7 getting its 
clearfix via another IF that only checks for IE6+.
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[css-d] IE6 Back function fubar?

2007-10-02 Thread Bob Rosenberg
Thanks to some great advice from list members, I have a (large) file 
up and running with a fixed menu that *stays* fixed in IE6. 
[http://users.rcn.com/rtberg2/hp_ctr.html]  But now I find that the 
Back function doesn't work in IE6!  Does anyone have any insight 
into this sort of problem?  It happens on another file that uses the 
same construction, which I've sketched below. The solution I arrived 
at for the fixed menu is to have a duplicate menu nav *outside* 
container1 that only shows up in IE6--nav1 is for everyone 
else.  Everything works like a charm except for the Back problem.

Any hard-won wisdom on this one?

Thanks.

--Bob R.

***

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
style
. . .
#nav {display: none;}
#nav1 {font-size: 80%; width: 25%; position: fixed; left: 2%; top: 85px;}
. . .
/style
!--[if IE 6]
style type=text/css
body {height: 100%; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; }
#container1 {height: 100%; overflow: auto; position: relative; z-index: 1;}
#nav {display: block; font-size: 80%; width: 20%; position: absolute; 
left: 5%; top: 80px; z-index: 2;}
#nav1 {display: none;}
/style
![endif]--
/head
body
div id=nav
list
list
. . .
/div
div id=container1
image
div id=container
div id=nav1
list
list
. . .
/div
div id=content
. . .
Lots of good stuff (6MB worth)
. . .
/div
/div
/div
/body

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[css-d] Ah, hell

2007-10-02 Thread Bob Rosenberg
Please ignore that last post.  Eudora mangled the illustration.  I'll 
try again.

--Bob R.

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[css-d] IE6 Back function fubar?

2007-10-02 Thread Bob Rosenberg
Thanks to some great advice from list members, I have a (large) file 
up and running with a fixed menu that *stays* fixed in IE6. 
[http://users.rcn.com/rtberg2/hp_ctr.html]  But now I find that the 
Back function doesn't work in IE6!  Does anyone have any insight 
into this sort of problem?  It happens on another file that uses the 
same construction, which I've sketched below. The solution I arrived 
at for the fixed menu is to have a duplicate menu nav *outside* 
container1 that only shows up in IE6--nav1 is for everyone 
else.  Everything works like a charm except for the Back problem.

It's the xhtml1-transitional DTD. (I've had to replace the angle 
brackets below with square brackets to keep Eudora happy.)

Any hard-won wisdom on this one?

Thanks.

--Bob R.

***

[style type=text/css]
. . .
#nav {display: none;}
#nav1 {font-size: 80%; width: 25%; position: fixed; left: 2%; top: 85px;}
. . .
[/style]

[!--[if IE 6]]
[style type=text/css]
body {height: 100%; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; }
#container1 {height: 100%; overflow: auto; position: relative; z-index: 1;}
#nav {display: block; font-size: 80%; width: 20%; position: absolute; 
left: 5%; top: 80px; z-index: 2;}
#nav1 {display: none;}
[/style]
[![endif]--]
[/head]
[body]
[div id=nav]
. . .
[/div]
[div id=container1]
image
[div id=container]
[div id=nav1]
. . .
[/div]
[div id=content]
. . . Lots of good stuff (6MB worth) . . .
[/div]
[/div]
[/div]
[/body]


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Re: [css-d] IE6 Non-Existant Class Bug

2007-09-29 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 12:59 -0400 on 09/26/2007, Seth Green wrote about [css-d] IE6 
Non-Existant Class Bug:

As you will see if you load the page below... In IE6 the div remains
red, even though it is explicitly set to green in the last rule.

It seems that the middle rule, which targets a non-existant class is
causing the problem. Remove that, and the div is green, even in IE6.

Note: If instead of using the additional class selector in the last
rule, I just use the id, then this problem also goes away.

Has anyone ever experienced this issue? Is there a workaround?

Yes. Embed the correct version of the rule on the page. ID has to be 
unique on the page so IE6 is correct in stopping on the mismatch 
since when it finds the ID'ed tag with the wrong class on it since 
there can not be another tag with that ID to match. While it is 
theoretically valid to have more than one possible match, this would 
only be valid if the rules occur in a *.css Style Sheet. In that 
case, at least in theory, the rules could be intended to apply to 
different pages and should thus the rules should be fully parsed. 
Also, again at least in theory, if you rewrite the DOM text (and thus 
alter the class), the mismatch should NOT stop the parse.
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[css-d] fixed div in IE6

2007-09-27 Thread Bob Rosenberg
Greetings:

I hope this is not too trivial for comment, but searching for it in the archive 
has proved fruitless--it's just too hard to narrow down the search.

On a page like

http://users.rcn.com/rtberg/Adam/animag1.htm

I have a left-column menu (div id=nav) that stays nicely fixed in FF or IE7 
(for example), but which will not behave in IE6.  It's a big file, but it's not 
complex HTML or CSS, and in IE6 I simply cannot make #nav hold still (or, for 
that matter, even show up in the left column). I do not want a second scroll 
bar on the page. I have tried fixes found on CSS advice websites (like 
http://divinentd.com/experiments/emulating-position-fixed.html), but at best 
they give me ugly double scroll bars.

The CSS is at the top of the document.

Thanks for any help offered.

--Bob R. 

PS: And thank you for not suggesting that I break the file into smaller 
pieces.  
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[css-d] Insertions rather than popups

2007-08-24 Thread Bob Rosenberg
Greetings:

I'm working on a large document with translations and footnotes, and I do not 
want popup windows.  Instead, I have the text appearing in place (mockup sample 
at http://users.rcn.com/rtberg/try_me.html), using javascript and enclosing the 
note or translation text--which is sometimes fairly structured--in object 
tags.

Is there a way to do this with pure CSS and no javascript?

(I'm new to the list, and I searched the archive with popup, but that didn't 
help much.  My apologies if this is old hat.)

Thanks.

--Bob R.
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[css-d] Insertions rather than popups (reprise)

2007-08-24 Thread Bob Rosenberg
I'm sorry--I should have noted that right now the sample does not work in IE6.

That's a problem for another day.  Probably the day after I settle this one.

--Bob R.
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Re: [css-d] How can I do an image overlap with CSS?

2006-06-18 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 21:35 -0700 on 06/17/2006, Robert Lane wrote about Re: [css-d] How 
can I do an image overlap with CSS?:

Well those lines lost it in transmission - sorry.

Basically I want

   Img A

  Img B

where Img B overlaps and covers the lower right 2/3 of Img A.

Cheat. Bring the two picture into Photoshop and put Image A in Layer 
1, Image B in Layer 2, and save a flattened copy. Use the copy in 
your layout.
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