Re: [CTRL] U.S. forces in Germany and Italy on alert
-Caveat Lector- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:34:52 +0100 From: "Mario Profaca" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: RE: U.S. forces in Germany and Italy on alert -Original Message- From: International Justice Watch Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Douglas Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: U.S. forces in Germany and Italy on alert I don't really think this is going to lead anywhere. The DoD is saying this is a normal exercise but who knows. I do know that every time we even sneeze in the mideast, journalists start writing that we are preparing for something. The last time was in November when the AF went through a routine rotation. For 2 or 3 days we had several thousand Air Force personnel coming home and several thousand taking their place in the mideast. It was reported all over the press that the Air Force had doubled their manpower in the region with hints that something was about to happen. (Something did happen, half of them came home a couple days later). If this was a sign of something I wouldn't expect the Patriot battery to be shipped via sea, I would expect it to be shipped overnight by air (UPS or Fed-Ex maybe?) :) But aside from that I'm skeptical of Iraq's ability to field several divisions even in a peacetime deployment and especially in a long range manuever through Syria to attack Israel. Although their military industry, which I believe is underrated, could probably sustain a short engagement, I just don't think they have the maintainance ability, spares, or training for a long range engagement. I think they could make a sucessful attack on a selected target or city, and they very well might, but a real battle (or war) wouldn't be sustainable. Plus they would be overextended, already having (or had, that's probably where the troops on the Syrian border came from) 16 of their best divisions and most of their tanks deployed against the Kurds in the north and 6 divisions in the south and east to counter Shia (that probably should be spelled Shian?) rebels. That doesn't leave much but a couple Republican Guard divisions which are usually employed in defensive and early warning positions around Bagdad, keeping Saddam in power and satisfying his paranoia. A recent informal truce with the Kurds leaves his northern flank somewhat secure but that probably won't last very long, it never does. But after 10 years of twiddling their thumbs you never know. Iraq sure loves to get involved with the neighbors and there's a lot of dislike for Israel in Iraq and a lot of trigger fingers that haven't been scratched in a long time, at least outside the country. Another journalistic error, and I do love pointing those out, Threatcon Alpha is lower than Bravo. This article is wrong but The San Antonio Express-News did correctly report that the Threatcon had been raised from Alpha to Bravo instead of vice-versa. Dr Peter Hall wrote: It seems to be hotting up Pentagon sources said the heightened tension in the Middle East prompted a decision to place on alert U.S. forces in Germany and Italy. They said Washington has been concerned about an Iraqi attack on Israel amid reports that several Iraqi divisions have moved close to the Syrian border. Peter Hall U.S. FORCES PLACED ON ALERT PATRIOT ANTI-MISSILE BATTERY DEPLOYED TO ISRAEL Washington - Middle East Newsline - Friday, January 26:The United States has sent a Patriot anti-missile defense battery to Israel amid heightened concerns of a Middle East war. Pentagon sources said the heightened tension in the Middle East prompted a decision to place on alert U.S. forces in Germany and Italy. They said Washington hasbeen concerned about an Iraqi attack on Israel amid reports that several Iraqidivisions have moved close to the Syrian border. The San Antonio Express-News published a copy of a U.S. military order that on Jan. 11 raised the alert status of U.S. forces from Threatcon Bravo to Alpha. Alpha is a heightened alert of a terrorist attack. "Recent intelligence indicates that an increased or more predictable threat exists, thus warranting the Threatcon change," the U.S. military order read. Pentagon officials said the Patriot missile brigade will participate in an exercise in Israel scheduled for Feb. 8. The exercise will last 15 days. The exercise, called "Juniper Cobra," will include about 400 members of the 69th Air Defense Artillery Brigade based near Frankfurt, Germany. A Patriot missile battery and personnel are expected to arrive by ship on Feb. 4 and join Patriot batteries already deployed in the Jewish state. "It is a training event to sustain interoperability between the U.S. Army and the Israeli defense forces," U.S. Army spokesman Maj. Tom Collins said. In December, Lockheed Martin was awarded a $212 million contract to produce an upgraded Patriot. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
Re: [CTRL] U.S. forces in Germany and Italy on alert
-Caveat Lector- I don't think we really have to worry to much about Iraq based on the weapons that we have that have been publicly disclosed. And then there are the... Steve On 29 Jan 01, at 1:02, Michael Pugliese wrote: -Caveat Lector- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:34:52 +0100 From: "Mario Profaca" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: RE: U.S. forces in Germany and Italy on alert -Original Message- From: International Justice Watch Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Douglas Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: U.S. forces in Germany and Italy on alert I don't really think this is going to lead anywhere. The DoD is saying this is a normal exercise but who knows. I do know that every time we even sneeze in the mideast, journalists start writing that we are preparing for something. The last time was in November when the AF went through a routine rotation. For 2 or 3 days we had several thousand Air Force personnel coming home and several thousand taking their place in the mideast. It was reported all over the press that the Air Force had doubled their manpower in the region with hints that something was about to happen. (Something did happen, half of them came home a couple days later). If this was a sign of something I wouldn't expect the Patriot battery to be shipped via sea, I would expect it to be shipped overnight by air (UPS or Fed-Ex maybe?) :) But aside from that I'm skeptical of Iraq's ability to field several divisions even in a peacetime deployment and especially in a long range manuever through Syria to attack Israel. Although their military industry, which I believe is underrated, could probably sustain a short engagement, I just don't think they have the maintainance ability, spares, or training for a long range engagement. I think they could make a sucessful attack on a selected target or city, and they very well might, but a real battle (or war) wouldn't be sustainable. Plus they would be overextended, already having (or had, that's probably where the troops on the Syrian border came from) 16 of their best divisions and most of their tanks deployed against the Kurds in the north and 6 divisions in the south and east to counter Shia (that probably should be spelled Shian?) rebels. That doesn't leave much but a couple Republican Guard divisions which are usually employed in defensive and early warning positions around Bagdad, keeping Saddam in power and satisfying his paranoia. A recent informal truce with the Kurds leaves his northern flank somewhat secure but that probably won't last very long, it never does. But after 10 years of twiddling their thumbs you never know. Iraq sure loves to get involved with the neighbors and there's a lot of dislike for Israel in Iraq and a lot of trigger fingers that haven't been scratched in a long time, at least outside the country. Another journalistic error, and I do love pointing those out, Threatcon Alpha is lower than Bravo. This article is wrong but The San Antonio Express-News did correctly report that the Threatcon had been raised from Alpha to Bravo instead of vice-versa. Dr Peter Hall wrote: It seems to be hotting up Pentagon sources said the heightened tension in the Middle East prompted a decision to place on alert U.S. forces in Germany and Italy. They said Washington has been concerned about an Iraqi attack on Israel amid reports that several Iraqi divisions have moved close to the Syrian border. Peter Hall U.S. FORCES PLACED ON ALERT PATRIOT ANTI-MISSILE BATTERY DEPLOYED TO ISRAEL Washington - Middle East Newsline - Friday, January 26:The United States has sent a Patriot anti-missile defense battery to Israel amid heightened concerns of a Middle East war. Pentagon sources said the heightened tension in the Middle East prompted a decision to place on alert U.S. forces in Germany and Italy. They said Washington hasbeen concerned about an Iraqi attack on Israel amid reports that several Iraqidivisions have moved close to the Syrian border. The San Antonio Express-News published a copy of a U.S. military order that on Jan. 11 raised the alert status of U.S. forces from Threatcon Bravo to Alpha. Alpha is a heightened alert of a terrorist attack. "Recent intelligence indicates that an increased or more predictable threat exists, thus warranting the Threatcon change," the U.S. military order read. Pentagon officials said the Patriot missile brigade will participate in an exercise in Israel scheduled for Feb. 8. The exercise will last 15 days. The exercise, called "Juniper Cobra," will include about 400 members of the 69th Air Defense Artillery Brigade based near Frankfurt, Germany. A Patriot missile battery and personnel are expected to arrive by ship on Feb. 4 and join Patriot batteries already deployed in the Jewish state.
Re: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS.......
-Caveat Lector- When our previous State government was unexpectedly voted out, one of the many juvenile things they did was to get several thousand filing cabinet keys and threw them all in one big pile, unlabelled. Plus the usual obscene messages being left on government answering machines, beepers and mobile phones. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker?
-Caveat Lector- listen wee man, the main point of this is that ARAFAT is a killer i agree to that, but SHARON is a killer too you some how forgot to mention that in your little article. and dont hit me with the crap that the UN dont matter. as long as your country is signed up to the UN (which it probably has) then your bound to do what it says. And this about there being many muslim countries in the UN, so what? theres many christian countries there too, there are also secular countries too no difference! and it also dont make a difference for them to wanting oil, if there was peace in the ME then oil price would probably be much lower. so i dont agree with your whole UN argument at all. oh im sorry, my mistake the jews arent running the white house at all, there running the goverment. From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:34:28 -0500 -Caveat Lector- goolie smith wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hold on a sec, are you saying that if you dont agree with the UN then you shouldnt have to agree with them, and do what the world community says ? That's right. The 5 major powers of the UN are USA, UK, FRANCE, RUSSIA, CHINA This is the security council. There are other parts to the UN. you tell me which one of these countries is muslim ? in fact USA and its puppy UK are more incilined to take the Israeli stand point. Only if the Israelis toe the globalist line. Which they have up to now. If Sharon wins, you'll see some interesting changes. I dont think Russia is muslim, their mainly christian and so is France. china is a completly differnt ball game, but it still aint muslim. France gets its oil from the Mid East. Russia backs the Muslims in the Mid East as a counter to the US backing Israel. China has good relations with Israel. So the notion that the UN is mainly muslim isnt correct. I never said that. I said that there are many Muslim countries in the UN, and many others beholding to Arab oil. If the jews werent running the White house then i bet Israel woulda been called a rouge state ages ago. Jews running the White House? On which planet? J2 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0500 -Caveat Lector- goolie smith wrote: -Caveat Lector- what ? the UN found him DIRECTLY responsible Israel had found him INDIRECTLY responsible Yes, you are right about the UN. Israelis don't pay much attention to the UN. And for good reason too. The UN has MANY Muslim states as members, and has many other states which need Muslim oil. I wouldn't exactly call it an unbiassed body. But the point is that the massacre was carried out AGAINST his direct orders according to a Phalangist participant in the massacre. and i dont think the country that he fights for is gonna punish him either. No they will not. He saved Israel from military destruction in the Yom Kippur War. Instead he will probably be the next Prime Minister. That will be interesting. just look at the way the guy that killed that 10 year old got away with it. Killers should fry. J2 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:20:04 -0500 -Caveat Lector- goolie smith wrote: -Caveat Lector- What are you on man ? Ariel Sharon, was found directly responsible for massacres of palestinians in UN shelters. Actally, he was found INDIRECTLY responsible. The killings were done against his direct orders by a Syrian opperative who was a Christian Phalangist. If you want to know more about this, see... *From Israel to Damascus* on the Net. A book written by one of the Phalangist militiamen who actually did the killing. Joshua2 Mere civilans just trying to survive in UN encampments, when along comes 'the buldozer'. It wasnt even 2 or 20 people that he was responsible for killing, the total tally reached the hundreds. The next time you see Yasser Arafat/Ariel Sharon talking politely to Ted Koppel on "Nightline," I want you to remember that behind that phony smile is the conscience of a killer. He's the premeditated murderer of U.S. diplomats/hundreds of humans. The next time you hear about the need for a Palestinian state/security, I want you to remember that the leader for life of that nation will be Yasser Arafat/Ariel Sharon.
[CTRL] David Schippers on Vincent Foster Case (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:53:10 -0800 From: Allan Favish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: David Schippers on Vincent Foster Case http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a73b2301fe8.htm The first post in this thread at Free Republic contains information about a recent appearance by David Schippers. I tend to believe the person who made the post, but of course, I cannot verify it. Perhaps Jim Quinn can verify it. The first post says the following (note the comment about the Vincent Foster case): David P. Schippers, Chief Investigative Council for the Clinton Impeachment, and author of SELLOUT, appeared at the Lakeview Lounge in Greensburg, PA courtesy of Jim Quinn's Warroom. Schippers and his lovely wife Jackie were greeted by a crowd of over 500, in the tightly packed dinner hall. Much af what Schippers presented was a restatement of points and facts he brought up in his book. During the question and answer period, he did raise the following points I thought would be of interest to other FReepers: - Schippers seemed to demonstrate a great deal of confidence in Dave Barret, the last remaining OIC.. - Schippers referred to Ken Starr as, "a decent and honorable man," but identified his inexperience as a prosecutor, and consequent lack of a, "killer instinct," as Achilles' heels in Starr's efforts. - Surprisingly, Schippers indicated that in one deposition, Monica was posed a question about how BC had tried to portray her, and she was not aware of the, "nuts sluts," accusations. When Schippers directed her to Clinton's sworn statements to that effect, her lawyers spirited her from the room. - Schippers doesn't expect Web Hubble to be forthcoming with a whole lot, in spite of Hubble's failure to be pardoned. - Schippers was not aware of any reason Charlie Ruff would have to have been taken out, but was quite adamant about not, "putting anything beyond these people." - Referred to the Vince Foster case as a "botched investigation," and indicated the possibility of two secret service agents that may have relevant information that have not yet been heard from. - Indicated that there was an awareness of Gore/ INS improprieties in the 2000 election. What beats all, however, was an anecdote Schippers told the crowd that he stated he'd never before made public. It seems that after his declarations before the judiciary committee, he was prepared to start packing his bags, and leave D.C. One day, Henry Hyde called him and told him there was aCatholic Priest who wanted to meet with Schippers. Schippers, a Catholic, met with the priest from Ohio. The priest informed Schippers that he must remain in Washington, and "stay the course." The priest, it turns out, was an exorcist, had recently performed an exorcism, and stated that he saw the same evil in ,"those eyes." Schippers, somewhat incredulously stated that he knew Clinton was a bad guy, but c'mon! Did this priest think the president had made a pact with the devil? The priest stated, "not his...hers..." _ Regards, Allan J. Favish http://members.aol.com/allanf8702/page1.htm = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WP: Bush Lawyers Zero In on Way to Reverse Rich Pardon
-Caveat Lector- Bush Lawyers Zero In on Way to Reverse Rich Pardon By Mike Allen Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, January 29, 2001 ; Page A08 Bush administration lawyers think they may have found a way to reverse the pardon that President Clinton granted to fugitive financier Marc Rich, an official said yesterday. The lawyers are researching a theory that a pardon, like a warrant, must be delivered to be valid. In appearances yesterday on talk shows, however, Vice President Cheney cast doubt on the likelihood that the administration might pursue the warrant-delivery theory. A White House official would not elaborate on the theory, which was reported by Newsweek in this week's issue, but said a broad review of Clinton's flurry of last-minute pardons was under way. "Our lawyers are reviewing all information pertaining to pardons, including . . . the items we've inherited, and establishing our own process for how pardons may be issued," the official said. Two hours before leaving office Jan. 20, Clinton granted 140 pardons and commuted 36 prison sentences, many of them for controversial figures. The most criticism has centered on his pardon of Rich, 66, a commodities trader accused of evading $48 million in income taxes. Rich, a billionaire, fled to Switzerland before he was indicted in 1983. Since 1993 his former wife, Denise Rich, has donated more than $1 million to Democrats, including Hillary Rodham Clinton during her U.S. senate campaign. Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), chairman of the House Government Reform Committee, has said he plans an investigation to determine if the pardon was appropriate. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) said on "Fox News Sunday" that he considers the pardon to be "outrageous," and said Congress "should at least take a look at what happened and ask ourselves, 'Should we take some action to try to prevent abuses that do occur?'" In its report, Newsweek said Bush lawyers at the Justice Department have found "a series of obscure, 19th-century court cases" suggesting that a pardon must be served on the person or his lawyer to be valid. Several of Clinton's pardons, including the one for Rich, had been signed but were not delivered, Newsweek said. Cheney, when asked on ABC's "This Week" about the chances of undoing Rich's pardon, said: "I think the Justice Department and lawyers may well be looking at it." "I don't know," he added. "I haven't been involved in those conversations or those discussions, and as I say, I have got other things to worry about than Bill Clinton's pardons." On NBC's "Meet the Press," Cheney said the administration has "been so busy looking forward and focused on our program and our agenda" that little high-level attention has been given to the Clinton pardons. "Obviously there's been a lot of criticism on the grounds that Mr. Rich never was brought to justice, never tried or convicted #150; that the pardon sort of preempted what had been a serious effort to bring him to justice over the years on the charges that have been made against him," Cheney said. "By the same token, the power of a president to issue pardons is absolute," Cheney said. "It's in the Constitution. It's something that has been traditionally granted from time to time at the end of administrations." On "Fox News Sunday," Cheney said the administration will be "very deliberate in our decision-making on pardons." "I know that President Bush has always treated these kinds of responsibilities in Texas very carefully, and he certainly would do that as well here," Cheney said. On the possibility of undoing Rich's pardon, Cheney said: "I don't think we'd want to do anything that would inhibit the power and the authority of the office of president. On the other hand, in terms of how you proceed, clearly he would consider the views and want to solicit the views of the Justice Department as well as his counsel before issuing pardons." The lawyer who obtained the pardon for Rich, Jack Quinn, said on "Meet the Press" that his client, while maintaining his innocence, will not assert procedural defenses to the requirement that he return to face civil penalties. Quinn, a former White House counsel in the Clinton administration, said the fee paid for his work on the case, including that of "several other people" at his former law firm, "was at the small end of six figures." "It looks, frankly, like I'm going to incur some legal expenses of my own, given that we're going to have some congressional hearings," Quinn said. "I would expect to be reimbursed for those, but I did not ever have a contingency fee." Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told the New Yorker magazine that he believes that the Rich pardon would provide more ammunition for proponents of campaign finance reform. Clinton may have "had the purest of motives for the pardon, but the appearance here is devastating," McCain said. "It's so clear and so pervasive: money buys access, and access is influence,"
[CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- (It was planned, Global 2000 Henry Kissinger and his wealthy friends who want the Earth to be depopulated to reserve more resources for the Rockefellers and their dear relatives and other blood relatives.. One day they will face their fate. Or make their peace due to changes in policy. Many are watching... --SW) --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:21:53 -0800 From: Misty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:SNET: Report Tells of AIDS Devastation To: Surfing the Apocalypse [EMAIL PROTECTED], SNET [EMAIL PROTECTED], Armageddon or New Age? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SNETNEWS Mailing List Report Tells of AIDS Devastation by Jordan Lite http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,37270,00.html 3:10 p.m. Jun. 27, 2000 PDT AIDS is expected to decimate up to half the teen-age population in the hardest-hit African countries, where the epidemic is reversing positive trends in health, life expectancy, and economic growth, according to a grim United Nations report released Tuesday. Of the estimated 34.3 million people around the world living with HIV or AIDS, 24.5 million of them are in sub-Saharan Africa. In South and Southeast Asia, an estimated 5.6 million people are infected with the virus, followed by Latin America, where 1.3 million people are affected. Worldwide, an estimated 18.8 million people have died of AIDS since the beginning of the epidemic, 3.8 million of them children, the report said. Some 2.8 million deaths came last year, when 5.4 million people were newly infected with HIV. "The AIDS toll in hard-hit countries is altering the economic and social fabric of society," Dr. Peter Piot, executive director of UNAIDS, said Tuesday. "HIV will kill more than one-third of the young adults of countries where it has its firmest hold, yet the global response is still just a fraction of what it could be. We need to respond to this crisis on a massively different scale from what has been done so far," Piot warned. The epidemic has orphaned an estimated 13.2 million children worldwide, said the report, which was released in advance of next month's International AIDS Conference in Durban, South Africa. In countries that have dedicated resources to battling AIDS, HIV infection rates have stabilized and more people are living longer and healthier lives, according to the report. "In the West ... the impact of treatment has been spectacular," Piot said at a news conference in Geneva. "Mortality has really collapsed from AIDS. There is really a much better and longer life for people with HIV." But although the number of people in the United States dying of AIDS plunged in the mid-1990s, behavior that increases the risk of HIV infection is on the rise. In San Francisco, the proportion of gay men reporting multiple sex partners and unprotected sex rose between 1994 and 1998, along with a dramatic increase in sexually transmitted disease, the report said. Studies showed similar findings in New York, London, and Sydney, Australia. Among other findings in the U.N. report: In 16 African countries, more than one-tenth of people aged 15-49 are infected with HIV. In seven African countries, at least one in five adults has HIV. An estimated 12 African women are HIV-positive for every 10 men on the continent. There are 4.2 million people infected with HIV in South Africa, more than any other country in the world. Half of all 15-year-olds there and in Zimbabwe are expected to die of AIDS. In Botswana, where nearly 36 percent of adults are infected, at least two-thirds of 15-year-old boys will die of the disease. Some African countries are curbing the spread of HIV. Prevention campaigns in Uganda have lowered the estimated HIV prevalence rate in that country from nearly 14 percent in the early 1990s to about 8 percent today. U.N. officials believe that Zambia may be starting to demonstrate a similar course, and Senegal has stabilized its relatively low prevalence rates. In pockets of Asia, huge proportions of people are believed to have HIV. In India, 3.7 million people are living with the virus, second only to South Africa. Although the prevalence rate in the country is seven per 1,000 people, in places like Manipur, the prevalence of HIV infection among intravenous drug users skyrocketed from virtual nonexistence in 1988 to over 70 percent just four years later, where it remains today. The epidemic is worse in some Caribbean island states than anywhere outside of sub-Saharan Africa. In Haiti, over 5 percent of adults are HIV-positive, and in the Bahamas the adult prevalence rate is over 4 percent. "None of us should be surprised that AIDS is out of control in the developing world," said Dr. Tom Coates, executive director of the AIDS Research Institute at the University of California, San Francisco. While the United States has invested billions of
[CTRL] TM: Bill's Parting Gift May Be Hillary's Heap of Trouble
-Caveat Lector- Monday, January 29, 2001 Bill's Parting Gift May Be Hillary's Heap of Trouble TIME Magazine A pardon for white-collar fugitive Marc Rich triggers Bill Clinton's last scandal and Senator Clinton's first BY DANIEL EISENBERG Outraged politicians calling for congressional hearings. Pundits railing about abuse of power. And long-suffering Democrats trying in vain to defend their party leader. The ugly, all too familiar scene in Washington last week almost made you wonder if Bill Clinton had won that elusive third term. Even as he secured an 11th-hour deal to avoid prosecution in the Lewinsky mess, Clinton was adding a brand-new chapter to his book of scandal. On his last day in office, the man who understands the power of forgiveness better than most issued a list of more than 100 pardons. Tucked in among the names was that of Marc Rich., 65, one of the world's most wanted white-collar fugitives. In 1983, the brilliant, rapacious commodities trader, along with his partner, Pincus Green, was charged with an illegal oil-pricing scheme that amounted to what might be the biggest tax swindle in U.S. history, to the tune of almost $50 million not to mention trading with Iran during the hostage crisis. The latter charge was later dropped against Rich's company but not against Rich and Green personally. (Not everybody was as lucky as Rich; junk-bond king Michael Milken, who was opposed by the SEC, and convicted spy Jonathan Pollard, who has no fans in the intelligence community, were denied pardons.) Rich was not your typical fugitive living hand to mouth and sleeping under bridges. Born in Belgium and fluent in English, French, German and Spanish, he has spent the past 17 years in Switzerland, living in splendid exile outside Zurich, protected by a coterie of private security guards from Israel and running a $30 billion business that brokers everything from oil and gold to sugar and grain. Switzerland refused to extradite him. But now that point is moot. Thanks to Clinton, the billionaire who could have faced years in prison suddenly has a clean slate. But Clinton's, yet again, is dirty. To many observers, Republican and Democrat alike, the pardon was simply outrageous the latest egregious example of Clinton's moral turpitude. Rich's ex-wife, New York City socialite Denise Rich, just happens to be a major Clinton donor and fund raiser who has raked in millions of dollars for the Democratic Party during the past eight years. Rich's lawyer in the pardon case, Jack Quinn, was once Clinton's general counsel. Quinn personally lobbied Clinton, and various dignitaries including, sources tell Time, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and King Juan Carlos of Spain contacted Clinton on Rich's behalf. "I worked a long time on that case," New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who was the lead prosecutor against Rich two decades ago, said at a news conference last week. "What the President did was an absolute outrage." But it wasn't the only one. Other controversial recipients of Clinton's parting gifts included four Orthodox Jews from New York State who had bilked the government out of $40 million in education aid, housing subsidies and small-business loans. During Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign, the First Lady visited the Skver sect in New Square, N.Y., trying, successfully, to lock in a group that usually swings Republican. After the Skver turned out in force for Hillary, she invited the group's spiritual leader to the White House, where he asked the President to lighten the men's sentences. The subsequent commutations only heightened suspicions vehemently denied by Clinton and the Skver that there was a quid pro quo for their support on Election Day. And if that weren't bad enough, there was also the matter of $190,000 in gifts, including $7,000 in furniture from Denise Rich, that Bill and Hillary hauled in as they were leaving the White House which means that President Clinton's final scandal is Senator Clinton's first. But it's the Rich pardon and especially the fact that Clinton granted it without consulting the Justice Department that has generated the most heat on Capitol Hill. Though the pardon can't be revoked, Representative Dan Burton, the Indiana Republican and longtime Clinton critic who chairs the House Government Reform Committee, has already started gathering documents for a hearing; Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle says it may be time to re-examine the President's pardon power. Even by Clinton's own reasoning, which he voiced in a speech two days before the pardon, Rich did not seem to qualify. "Most of these people should be able to vote and be full citizens," he said, "because they've paid." During the past two decades, Rich has paid in his own inimitable way, doling out about $200 million to various charities. He also made overtures toward settling with the government for as much as $100 million. But "it was never about the
[CTRL] Prophecy or folklore?
-Caveat Lector- "Let me tell you about Florida politicians. I make them out of whole cloth, just like a tailor makes a suit. I get their name in the newspaper. I get them some publicity and get them on the ballot. Then after the election, we count the votes. And if they don't turn out right, we recount them. And recount them again until they do." - Edward G. Robinson talking to Humphrey Bogart in the 1948 thriller, "Key Largo." __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LAT: DERSHOWITZ: Bush Starts Off by Defying the Constitution
-Caveat Lector- --- MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bush Starts Off by Defying the Constitution By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ _ Nakano comments: Haven't you heard,the Constitution has been suspended? Every president since FDR has defied the Constitution. Your protest over Christian prayers at Bush's inauguration pales into complete insignificance when compared to the total defiance of the Constitution by every man who has lived in the White House since March of 1933. Who is praying what what and to whom is the least of our problems. On June 17, 1995, The Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Texas adopted by unanimous vote RESOLUTION #5 entitled: "Restoration of the United States Constitution". I quote the very first paragraph of this Resolution: "Whereas, The Republican Party of Texas recognizes that acts of the Congressional body and the Office of the President of the United States of America created an emergency condition, and that on and after March 6, 1933 and March 9, 1933 the same said Public Offices effectively impaired and suspended the Constitution for the United States of America under pretense of these same created emergency conditions, and that the impairments and disabilities yet exist and are in full force and effect throughout the Nation and several States of the Union as of the date of this resolution; and Whereas, there has occurred continuous breach of trust, duty and obligation imposed under authority of the Constitution for the United States of America, resulting in a continued abridgment of the Rights, Privileges, Immunities, and Liberties of Citizens and others, all committed under pretense of a continuing national crisis and furtherance of emergency conditons..." The Resolution concludes by demanding "the rescinding of the state of national emergency declared on March 9, 1933...thereby returning the United States of America to its original peacetime Constitutional Republic." A complete copy of this Resolution is available from: The Republican Party of Texas 211 East 7th St Suite 620 Austin, TX 78701 Someone should ask President Bush if he will terminate this phony "National Emergency". Because until it is terminated, we are living under a dictatorship. Regards to All Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Indian Army chief died in crash in '45
-Caveat Lector- This is the sort of important article I feature daily at http://leviathan.weblogs.com http://www.the-hindu.com/stories/0129000d.htm Netaji died in 1945 air-crash: Japanese doctor LONDON, JAN. 28. Controversy over the death of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose has ``ended'' with a Japanese doctor, who attended on him, certifying that the Indian National Army (INA) chief died on August 18, 1945, a few hours after getting injured in a plane crash. The first hand account of how Bose was brought in a serious condition to a military hospital in Taihoku, Formosa, Japan, how he breathed his last and where his ashes were kept was narrated by Dr. Taneyoshi Yoshimi. Dr. Yoshimi, captain (medical) of the Imperial Japanese Army, was interviewed by British Intelligence in Hong Kong after the Japanese surrender. Narrating the event, the doctor who now resides in northern Japan, said Bose died of ``extensive burns and shock.'' The doctor said, ``in August, 1945, I was the senior officer at Nanmon Military Hospital. At about 1700 hrs on 18th of August, a truck arrived before the hospital containing several men who had been injured in a plane-crash. Two of the men were Indians, and about five or six were Japanese. A Japanese staff officer with the rank of Lt. Colonel whose name I believe was Ishii, pointed at one of the Indians and informed me that it was Bose and that I must give him the very best of treatment.'' `` I personally cleaned his injuries and dressed them. He was suffering from extensive burns over the whole of his body though the most serious were those on his head, chest and thighs. There was very little left on his head in the way of hair or other identification marks. During the first four hours he was semi- conscious, and speaking quite a good deal. The first words I spoke to him were in Japanese, when he made a request for water. As Bose spoke mostly in English, a request for an interpreter was made, and one Nakamura was sent from the civil government offices. He told me that he had very often interpreted for Bose and appeared to have no doubt that the man he was speaking with was Bose,'' Dr. Yoshimi said. During the treatment, the doctor said he had inquired whether Bose was in any pain, but the latter gave no reply. ``After four hours, I inquired whether there was any statement, will, or such matter he wished to make. He answered `nothing'. After the fourth hour, he went unconscious. He murmured and muttered in a state of coma. At about 2300 hrs, he died.'' The other Indian was Bose's adjutant, a Colonel of INA, who was suffering from burns to the sides of his head, arms, hands and knees. ``I do not remember his name, but recall that it was a very long one. He was tall, medium built, and clean shaven,'' Dr. Yoshimi said. ``It was the wish of this Colonel and also that of the authorities that the remains of Bose be transported to Tokyo. I injected Formalin into the body and also had the coffin partly filled with lime. It was put in a box, and on August 20th, was taken to Taihoku airport for transportation to Japan, under the charge of Warrant Officer, Nishi. The officer later returned and informed me that the body could not be taken to Japan for unknown reasons, and was to be sent to crematorium.'' ``I, therefore, made out a death certificate, stating the causes of death to be extensive burns and shock,'' Dr. Yoshimi said, adding that the orders for the change of plans came from the adjutant's department, Taiwan Army. ``On the morning of August 19th, Colonel Miyata, staff officer of General Ando, came to the hospital to express mourning. The news of the death was kept a secret, and I and my staff were warned not to divulge that. The news, as far as I can remember, was published in the Public Press early in September, 1945,'' Dr. Yoshimi said. The aircraft carrying Bose, his adjutant and about twelve others (Japanese), took off from Taihoku airport, and after rising to a height of about 30 feet, had suddenly burst into flames and crashed to the ground. ``A Major-General, Shidei, and two others were killed. The others were rescued and brought to the Nanmon Hospital. The two pilots were burnt, but after remaining in my care for about three weeks, recovered, and transferred to Hokuto Military Hospital where I later heard they had died. The Indian Colonel, adjutant to Bose, remained in my care for about 10 days, and was then sent to the hospital. The interpreter, Nakamura, went up there with him, and I have no knowledge of what became of either of them. I do know, however, that the ashes of Bose were handed over to the Indian Colonel.'' The ashes were subsequently kept at Tokyo's Renkoji temple, Dr. Yoshimi said. - PTI A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease!
Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to hurt Women
-Caveat Lector- Violence against anyone is bad. If he stalks you or breaks into your house - shot'em in the balls. Make up your mind. Self Defense is THE basic human right. Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???
-Caveat Lector- By all State / National / International comparative achievement tests performed over the past 30 years. Which ones? Be specific or we may justifiably assume that you are making it up. I am not going to reinvent the wheel. These are basic facts well known to anyone who does even a cursory review. Again you make no sense. For every kid no longer attending Govt School LESS public money is spent. Thats exactly what I said. Each school gets its allotment of funds based on the number of students enrolled. Every time one leaves, the school gets less money. Try and understand this. If there is a finite amount of public funds available for public schools and a substantial proportion of kids leave Govt Schools to attend private schools at less per pupil cost.then there is more money available for those who remain in Govt Schools. Obviously if it costs $10,000 taxpayer dollars to pay for one kid for one year of Govt School... Doe it? Or did you make that figure up? In 1998 Wash. DC spent $10,000 per pupil. The amount is similiar in most major urban areas. NYC spends about $9000. And what do you mean by Govt? Do you mean federal, local or a combination? This is crucial, because without federal money, kids in poor school districts are condemned to an education inferior to kids in rich school districts. Is that what you are proposing? "Govt Schools" are non private schools. Schools supported by taxpayer funds. You obviously have no knowledge about the funding of Govt Schools. 90% is State and Local funded. Most of the direct costs are based on the local property tax. If the kid costing the public $10,000 per year to attend Govt School gets a $5000 voucher to attend a private school of his/her choice - And if pigs had wings, they fly. When, where and by whom has that figure been proposed? Be specific. The recent voucher initiative in Calif. mandated $4000 per pupil per voucher per year. In any event, the best voucher system would allocate at least 60% amount per pupil that Govt Schools allocate. Then it saves the taxpayers $5000. (This is simple math - easy to understand - unless you attended Govt School). Which taxes are you talking about, local, federal or a combination thereof? Be specific. I am not speaking to "taxes." I am speaking to costs per student. Are you factoring in the loss of tax money incurred when even more poorly educated citizens find themselves able to earn even less taxable income? You should, because thats what is going to happen if even more money is withdrawn from failing schools. It makes about as much sense as the long discredited medical practice of bleeding a sick person to make them well, and is based on precisely the same principles, ignorance and stupidity. Again you make no sense. Under a voucher system, no money is "withdrawn" from public schools on a net /net basis. Less kids with more money proportionately allocated means more money in the aggregate. Are you also factoring in the cost to the taxpayers of warehousing people in prison when they turn to crime because they didnt get a good enough education to make a decent honest living. More irrationality. One reason there are so many millions doing time is because of the failure of Govt Schools - not because of some yet to be devised voucher plan. For someone who claims to be educated, you certainly are making a simplistic analysis. Whats the matter, didn't anybody ever teach you how to think things through? I let this comment speak for itself. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pentagon 'knew Nato shells contained dangerous nuclear waste'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/2001-01/pentagon290101.shtml Pentagon 'knew Nato shells contained dangerous nuclear waste' By John Lichfield in Paris 29 January 2001 Some shells fired in the Gulf and Balkan wars contained a type of recycled nuclear waste that is much more hazardous than depleted uranium, according to a book to be published in France next week. The book, Depleted Uranium: The Invisible War, could change the debate on whether weapons used by the United States and Nato caused widespread sickness among war veterans and civilians. The authors, a Frenchman, a Belgian and an American, produce evidence that the US government knew six years ago that its stocks of "safe" depleted uranium had been contaminated by spent nuclear fuels. Whether this recycled material was mixed up with the "classic" depleted uranium (DU) accidentally or deliberately remains unclear. The book uncovers evidence that the Pentagon knew in 1995 that its armour-piercing shells and bombs contained substances more environmentally menacing than the "natural" depleted uranium that Washington, London and Nato headquarters have repeatedly defended. In other words, the entire DU debate has been based on false premises. The findings of Martin Meissonnier, Frederic Loore and Roger Trilling have been independently confirmed in the past few days by researchers at a Swiss government laboratory, which analysed spent US munitions from Kosovo. The lab found that the shells contained traces of an isotope of uranium – uranium 236 – which occurs only in nuclear waste. The Pentagon spokesman, Kenneth Bacon, admitted last week – in reply to a question from one of the authors of the book – that depleted uranium intended for armour-piercing weapons had been contaminated by small amounts of plutonium at the defence department nuclear plant at Paducah in Kentucky. The vigorous defence of DU weapons by the US and other Nato governments has been based on the argument that DU is a "natural" material of relatively low radioactivity. DU, in its classic form, is the heavy metal left behind – mostly uranium 238 – when the most fissile part of raw uranium, mined from the earth, is removed for use as a nuclear fuel, so classic DU is obtained before the nuclear reaction process. The book produces evidence that at least some of the weapons used in the Gulf and Balkans contained another kind of uranium, obtained by recycling spent nuclear fuels after the reaction process. The danger is that this form of uranium – sometimes called "dirty depleted uranium" – can contain traces of highly radioactive materials, such as plutonium. Mr Trilling said yesterday: "The whole debate should go back to square one. We are not saying that we know for sure that DU caused Gulf syndrome sicknesses, or the similar illnesses reported in the Balkans. Personally, I doubt that depleted uranium weapons are the cause, or sole cause, of the Gulf or Balkan syndromes, whatever these weapons may have actually contained. "What we are saying is that the US government's defence of depleted uranium has been, to be charitable, extremely misleading. The book is a plea for more research – not research on abstract theories about classic depleted uranium, but on the actual contents of US and Nato weapons. Until then, everyone on all sides of the argument is talking in the dark and should shut the hell up." The book is based on two years of interviews and investigations originally done for a French television documentary, which was shown last year. Extra material has been discovered in the past few months. The writers allow both sides of the argument about classic DU to make their cases in great detail. But there are three important new pieces of information: * Independent research by Dr Asaf Durakovic, an American of Croatian origin, has found traces of uranium 236 in the urine or bodies of 42 American Gulf veterans. Uranium 236 is not present in the natural world and should not be present in "clean" depleted uranium. * An official report by the US Army Environmental Policy Institute in 1995 acknowledged the possibility that "depleted uranium used by the Department of Defense contains traces of uranium 236". This implies that some of the DU used in US weapons was created from spent nuclear fuel, not from raw, mined uranium. * The nuclear plant at Paducah in Kentucky was accused of "waste, fraud, abuse and bad management" by the General Accounting Office, the official US government watchdog, in 1992. The accounting office report protested that the plant was recycling uranium from nuclear waste, without proper safeguards, endangering its own workers. Paducah is one of the three sites in America that produce the DU used by US and Nato weapons. It was the site named by the Pentagon spokesman last week as a source of contamination of some DU weapons with plutonium. Mr Trilling said yesterday that the
[CTRL] Nixon (was: Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???)
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a Conspiracy Theory List.speculation, based on facts, is still theory. That doesn't mean that one is exempt from presenting the facts and documentation behind one's theory... You ask people to prove everything they say? No, one doesn't have to PROVE everything they say, only present the documentation behind their theory, and if one doesn't have such facts and documentation then their theory should be clearly labeled as their personal opinion. My work according to Henry Regnary, a man named Domick Abel, was extremely provocative, and highly original.for I claimed the Mafia got JFK, RFK, and tried to get Teddy based on a bible code used as communications which also was linked to sabotage and KGB. Aleisha, you go on and on about the Kennedys and the Mafia, what do you know about Richard M. Nixon and his close ties with organized crime? I'm currently reading "Arrogance of Power" by Anthony Summers, and he goes into some details how 'in bed' Nixon was with both the Mafia and the big oil companies...and the book mentions an intriguing period in Nixon's early years, just after he'd married Pat (who really was named 'Thelma', much to my surprise, and who apparently had her own skeleton-in-a-closet when she met Nixon)...but unfortunately the book skips over this strange episode in his early life (unless perhaps the author gets back to it later in the book)... Nixon graduated from Duke University law school in the late 1930s; now ostensibly he was just some geeky hayseed from the hicks of southern California, but upon graduation from law school he applied at 3 places, and seemingly only 3 places, for work... And very interesting places they were, indeed. The first 2 were the most prestigious law firms at the time, both in NYC; according to available documents and the recollections of those involved in the process (altho not from the actual participants, Nixon included, themselves), Nixon's interview at the first firm went very well; it is not clear why Nixon did not end up working there. According to Summers, Nixon really had his sights set on the 2nd firm he interviewed with, and there are no documents remaining of that interview process, nor anyone who was involved in it who was willing to discuss what went on; but it can be surmised that it must have gone well, based on Nixon's close alliance in later years with those who were involved in the interviewing... And yet, for some reason, Nixon did not end up working at this 2nd firm, either. Now, what is intriguing about all this is that the first firm was the firm of William "Wild Bill" Donovan, who would later go on to create the OSS (precursor to the CIA) in WWII; the 2nd firm, the one where Nixon apparently really wanted to work, was the firm of John Foster Dulles and Allan Dulles, who apparently were involved in interviewing Nixon. So it is very strange that the only 2 law firms this geeky hayseed from the sticks applies to upon graduation from college are run by the very men who would later go on to create the major spy agencies... Now, as mentioned before, Nixon seemingly applied to THREE places upon graduation; his 3rd application was made to the FBI, and apparently most of the documents pertaining to his application still exist. And according to these documents, Tricky Dick did very well. So well in fact that his application was 'booted upstairs' for a 2nd round of interviews, and in fact notations are on his application papers showing that he was in fact approved to be hired by the FBI to be an agent... Yet suddenly the approval was withdrawn, and he was turned down by the FBI... Now the book details all of the above fairly thoroughly; though intriguing, its what happens next in Nixon's life I find really interesting, and which the book seemingly ignores... For Nixon then heads back to Whittier, and takes a job working for a small, bohunk, backwater law firm in Whittier run by a friend of Nixon's father And by all accounts, Nixon was less than impressive; in fact he bungled his first court case so badly that the presiding judge threatened to have him disbarred for life... During this time Nixon also was involved in some questionable business deal with a couple of buddies, a venture that went bust and ostensibly left Nixon with barely a nickle in his pocket... And yet, after courting Pat for over a year, he gets married and immediately after their marriage they start on a jaunt, lasting almost a year, that took them throughout the western states, and then eventually to Havana, Cuba, of all places which, according to Summers, Nixon said he enjoyed thoroughly... And it is THAT intriguing galavanting like gypsies for a year that I find so interestng, and which Summers just lets go with a mention in a paragraph, without pursuing further. How could this bumbling backwater lawyer, who supposedly barely had a nickle to
Re: [CTRL] So We All Have Written What We Have Written.......
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meaning of INRIfirst time I ever saw this was when Jean Dixon sent me her two books, which she autogrpaphed only she mailed to my boss, for me and in the one book, Gift of Propaganda (pardon, prophecy straight out of Romans 12) she had a prayer card and on it the piciture of Christ with INRI... BTW, Aleisha, according to the book "Arrogance of Power" that I am reading, Nixon gave your friend Jean Dixon 'credit'; the author doesn't spell out whether that meant that Nixon believed in astrology, et al, or whether he believed she was a front used to put out certain information... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker?
-Caveat Lector- goolie smith wrote: -Caveat Lector- listen wee man, the main point of this is that ARAFAT is a killer i agree to that, but SHARON is a killer too you some how forgot to mention that in your little article. Sharon IS a killer. He's a general. All generals are killers by definition. and dont hit me with the crap that the UN dont matter. as long as your country is signed up to the UN (which it probably has) then your bound to do what it says. You mean like the USA? And this about there being many muslim countries in the UN, so what? So what? You don't see a certain kind of bias here? theres many christian countries there too, there are also secular countries too no difference! and it also dont make a difference for them to wanting oil, If you are going to be stupid, it's no fun having a discussion with you. if there was peace in the ME then oil price would probably be much lower. so i dont agree with your whole UN argument at all. oh im sorry, my mistake the jews arent running the white house at all, there running the goverment. Do you just talk out of your ass, or can you prove that the Jews run the government? J2 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:34:28 -0500 -Caveat Lector- goolie smith wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hold on a sec, are you saying that if you dont agree with the UN then you shouldnt have to agree with them, and do what the world community says ? That's right. The 5 major powers of the UN are USA, UK, FRANCE, RUSSIA, CHINA This is the security council. There are other parts to the UN. you tell me which one of these countries is muslim ? in fact USA and its puppy UK are more incilined to take the Israeli stand point. Only if the Israelis toe the globalist line. Which they have up to now. If Sharon wins, you'll see some interesting changes. I dont think Russia is muslim, their mainly christian and so is France. china is a completly differnt ball game, but it still aint muslim. France gets its oil from the Mid East. Russia backs the Muslims in the Mid East as a counter to the US backing Israel. China has good relations with Israel. So the notion that the UN is mainly muslim isnt correct. I never said that. I said that there are many Muslim countries in the UN, and many others beholding to Arab oil. If the jews werent running the White house then i bet Israel woulda been called a rouge state ages ago. Jews running the White House? On which planet? J2 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0500 -Caveat Lector- goolie smith wrote: -Caveat Lector- what ? the UN found him DIRECTLY responsible Israel had found him INDIRECTLY responsible Yes, you are right about the UN. Israelis don't pay much attention to the UN. And for good reason too. The UN has MANY Muslim states as members, and has many other states which need Muslim oil. I wouldn't exactly call it an unbiassed body. But the point is that the massacre was carried out AGAINST his direct orders according to a Phalangist participant in the massacre. and i dont think the country that he fights for is gonna punish him either. No they will not. He saved Israel from military destruction in the Yom Kippur War. Instead he will probably be the next Prime Minister. That will be interesting. just look at the way the guy that killed that 10 year old got away with it. Killers should fry. J2 From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:20:04 -0500 -Caveat Lector- goolie smith wrote: -Caveat Lector- What are you on man ? Ariel Sharon, was found directly responsible for massacres of palestinians in UN shelters. Actally, he was found INDIRECTLY responsible. The killings were done against his direct orders by a Syrian opperative who was a Christian Phalangist. If you want to know more about this, see... *From Israel to Damascus* on the Net. A book written by one of the Phalangist militiamen who actually did the killing. Joshua2 Mere civilans just trying to survive in UN encampments, when along comes 'the buldozer'. It wasnt even 2 or 20 people that he was responsible for killing, the total tally
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- Well look at one AIDS fighter, Elizabeth Taylor for when AIDS hit her home, she began her "crusade". Few nights ago there this woman set, the lense of the camera treated with the usual age reducing stuff (as they used on Hill and Bill) and she sat there drunked up on booze and/or drugs to a point where she could hardly contain herself - loud, obnoxious, and crude On her hand was the diamond that "Richard" had purchased for her many years ago - her hair was a wig mixed with red and brownish color to blend with her attire. Larry King had a drunk on his show and/or a drug addict and was not quite sure how to handle it, who spoke of communicating with the dead many years ago having "seen the light: at the end of the tunel" - so maybe with aging fast Shirley McClain, they will write a book on more after death experiences for she said yes I have witnsses to this. But back to this ring - this huge piece of junk - for if that was a diamond, it was the shodiest diamond I have ever seen - big a gawdy like Liz, but phoney - surely it could not have been the real thing. King suddenly grabbed her hand and held it in a wrestler's grip, and try as she may she could no loose it.maybe he was attempting to keep her from falling to the floor And then he asked who bought the ring for her and she said "Richard" and oh, he was a great love of hers - two drunken brawlers in love - one getting old and fatter unable to stand up on a stage, forgetting lines, and the other once very pretty, fat as a pig ready for slaughter - divorced twice for they loved each other so muchbut this diamond Suddenly Liz said this diamond Richard bought from Krupp..bought it? Were they hard up for cash then? So suddenly she blurted out that wasn't this wonderful, that she a little Jewish girl, had this ring.for oh those Kruppssuddenly King said yes, but you are a converted Jew arenit you, for he wanted no part of that pig. So evidently she is on the local freak circus route, pushing her perfume - which smells as cheap as she looks. In Columbus, Ohio in 1979 or 80 she was invited with Senator Warner to a Republican fun festthere she sat, all she needed was an apple in her mouth and a ring through her snout like nose...not many people know, that Elizabeth Rosemond Taylor, had a "nose job" when very small - and this gave her nose the pig nose snout like Zsa Zsa Garbor and her sisters sported before the snout nose was being pushed on movie stars with big honkers - her nose seems to have been worked on lately - or it too is dropping with age. So to think a nice little jewish girl has this big diamond ring now bought from Krupp? In Columbus refined guests were shocked at her appearance - her grossness - and above all, the fact that she looked like a worn out prostitute - of course at the time he only roles she could get in movies - playing role of a prostitute Once I met her former husband Eddie Fisher or is it Fischer - he got off of Air Force I, and came over to me for evidently nobody wanted anyting to do with him, and I smiled and waved to him for I always liked him.but he was stoned out of his mind which I found very strange for it ws then I was told that some of the old hat movie stars were paid to support democrat causes, and paid well. Then I thought of her other husband Michael Wilding, who chased a stripper around in a room while married to "the world's most beautiful" woman - so she was portrayed - who claimed she was a child in a woman's body.Michael Wilding was at a house in Middlesex once, wherein lived an Italian Countess and so many self ordained Countess' in Italy one wonders - but this one was married to an Eaton, who was cousin to the Queen.regardless, this Countess was nothing more than a communist spy, spying on a man who was setting up BMEWS and Missile sites in England, Scotland, Thailand, Germany and around the world - the Thor Chief, who happened to be my brother in law. While this area was very exclusive, this Italian Countess was a piece of garbage who hated Americans (but boy did we get even with her). So Liz Taylor and the legend of her diamond ringlet her give all that she has away, including that phoney piece of glass she wore on King's show - unless the camera lense was so coated with all the crap it takes to knock off the wrinkles and whisky look off her face - unless camera was so tortured with goop that it took the shine right out of that maybe 30 ct diamond this little "jewish" girl's husband bought from the long arms of Krupp. Made me think of Madeline Albright with all the stolen art and jewelry - and now one wonders all those people who escaped the Nazis who have in their possession stole art and jewels and gold.wonder if born again jewess Liz Taylor will sue for reparations? So Larry King did a masterful job in supporting this old bat on television but he sure made it clear, she was a convert and
Re: [CTRL] The Bastard President
3. It was done for a REASON -- stop complaining and do some homework. Yeah, so the slave owning southern states could maintain their control of the gov't... and I guess it works M -Original Message-From: BB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Bastard PresidentJust TRY to get the following into your very narrow, disrespectful, DISRUPTOR mind: 1. Gore LOST. The more they count Florida, the more he loses. 2. The Constitution provides for an ELECTORAL COLLEGE. 3. It was done for a REASON -- stop complaining and do some homework. 4. A MAJORITY vote is NOT the epitome of all GOOD THINGS in the universe. 5. Bush won. He IS the president. Get over it. 6. Go, and DISRUPT no more. radman wrote: -Caveat Lector- The Bastard President
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nuclear Bomb Iraq
-Caveat Lector- Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] But then why did Israelies want to build tunnels under this one old Rock..maybe looking for King Solomons Mines? The mines known as King Solomon's Mines are in Africa... June What difference does THAT make. You're talking to Saba here. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???
-Caveat Lector- By your logic, if it is alright for government to give vouchers to buy one commodity it should be alright to give vouchers to buy any commodity. Wheres my Sharper Image shopping voucher? Why arent you agitating for that? I agree. But since we have institutionalized a system where Govt usurps citizens funds to pay for so called public education... a voucher system is an improvement over the failed system now in place. Cost per pupil should not even be considered. Education is a right. Education is not a "right." Every parent has a duty to educate his/her offspring. Govt should not steal people's money to force them to pay for other's parental responsibilities. You obviously have no understanding of poverty, probably because youve never been poor or spent very much time around poor people How the hell would you have any idea about my background. Making such an assumption proves you are a shallow thinker. Selfishness is a social disease. Its carriers should be quarantined. More ignorance. Selfeshness is a human survival trait that has evolved over millions of years of evolution. It can be a positive or negative trait based on the circumstances. It is no more a "disease" then anger, lust, hunger or sadness. And what do you mean supporters? it seems to me that if anybody is going to wind up supporting vouchers its we taxpayers. That means that some of my money will effectively be taken from my by threat of force and given to religious schools. This in intolerable. Now you are starting to "get it." I agree that is is "intolerable" to "take" your money "by threat of force" whether it is given to religious schools or Govt Schools. Generations of kids from the Inner Cities, and from rural America, have been destroyed by poverty. Blaming it on the schools is a distraction from the real source of the problem. Poverty is much less a problem then "infantilization" and "victimization" Being poor does not mean one has a license to be a dysfunctional, irresponsible parent or person. It is gross elitism to equate low income with dysfunctionality. Are you even aware that you are contradicting yourself when you blame whats wrong with education on the Corporate State and then propose that we turn to corporate schools to fix it I never suggested we turn to "corporate schools" to fix anything. Where any parent wants to send his/her kid to school is their business. Anyone who does not realize that our current Govt School System is a creature of the Corporate State is either naive, ignorant or deluded. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to hurt Women
-Caveat Lector- Ha Ha, another Silly Geek ToughGuy!! Just one more mouth breathing girlie boy. You're just another internet coward, mouthing off from a safe distance. How come none of you guys ever mouth off to my face? I'm not THAT hard to track down. Bring it on. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you appear? flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???
-Caveat Lector- Anyone who doesn't know enough to capitalize "I" cannot be taken seriously. i believe in a classless alphabet; or, at the very least, completely classless words. those of the upper cases need to be scaled down - their powers to speak before and stand taller than the others need to be removed. you could call me an alphabetical egalitarianist. inri I am an Alphabetical Fundamentalist but I will defend to the death your right to ignore the Upper Case...and my right not to take such writing seriously. flw flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Capitalizations (was: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - Your publisher may insist on some capitalization. Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from getting published... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] So We All Have Written What We Have Written.......
-Caveat Lector-
One thing I believe now June, I went after Dixon and wondered why
nothing was done.
I believe now that when J. Edgar Hoover was put on her Children to
Children Foundation Board, that he laid a trap for her for suddenly
after I nailed her on the soothsaying charge, this Carroll Reiter (?) a
prominent astrologer had an article which made national newspapers
saying that he "wished Jean Dixon would get out of the astrology field,
for she was giving astrology a bad name".
And then suddenly, it was reported that Dixon had used money for the
Children - from her foundation - to support the sale of her books and
for personal use.then I had to laugh, for the books she had sent me,
used Children to Children packaging, etc.so Hoover got her on
that.
And suddenly, the IRS nailed her for as I recall nearly $100,000 dollars
- she had donated some junk art to a museum and the worth, was
considerably less than actual value - so hey were going after her in the
only way possible.
But my happiest day was when Eric Severeid reported that "the
scientists" (whom I call thee nameless, faceless king makers) - that the
scientists believed the astrologers were going too far - so suddenly,
marking Kennedy's for murder was not too popular and Ted had already
gone after her.
How this board of directors must have laughed for you see the Kennedy
family actually believed that garbage she was putting out - the KIng
Must Die - Long Live the King.Camelot revisited representing the
UN...Arthurs dream?
It is all propaganda but a lot of people worked overtime...might add J.
Edgar Hoover personally told Fitzsimmons of the Teamsters Union (and at
that time I sat in a room with a guy who was friend of the man in same
cell with Hoffa at the time - what a set up)anyway Hoover told these
bums that any information I had I was getting on my own.which I was
from research and the ability to somehow communicate unknowingly in a
great experiment.
Nixon - well Nixon and Dixon and the Red Nosed lead reindeer.she
loved Richard Nixon, this Dixon did..and my old friend who was MI6
and psychic (was dimming out last year or so)this woman agreed with
me - Nixon was done in because of the peace feelers to China.
Dixon said Russia Would Beat Us to tthe Moon..my whole theory went
up to the moon, the Gideon Bible and her astrological predictions which
proved to me, they knew she had played a big hand in sabotaging the
space program for she was the Tokyo Rose of Washington Square.a day
before my sister died, this woman sat at the next table beside her, and
the Kennedy Center..said she looked old and somewhat frail.but
one thing sure, the sabotage of the Apollo was linked to the bible
calendar - for our intellgensia had been infiltrated and three men died
in a holocaust and now some of these traitors tryto say we never went to
the moon...
The rumor was founded maybe in this one movie Capicorn
something..the guy who married Barbara Streisand was in it and of
all people O.J. Simpson - the movie was a piece of propaganda and at the
time I know they had connections to space program insiders because of a
joke this astronaut told to himself while climing a wall, where a
heliocopter was coming down on him to kill him...it was a joke going
about Red Stone and space facilities..these traveling salesmen get
around..
So the space program from the beginning was sabotagedknow so many
stories here from insiders never told and while not top secret, it is
that these people only talked with friends..
Imagine how heartbroken this "divine prophetess" was (as proclaimed in
Columbus Dispatch in headline front page lead story, she was a divine
prophetess and boy she marked those Kennedys for murder over and
over)but when we landed on the moon the astronauts and note one was
Irish all had the last laugh.
But that day in January, on the 26th of 1967, the mighty Apollo and
three brave astronauts met death like Shadrach, Meshenk and Abenego -
they had no asbestos suits on.Apollo the craft that came to
naught.and I always wondered why Jack Rubenstin aka Ruby when put in
the slammer after murdering Oswald - why he kept repeating over and over
Shadrach, Meschenk, and Abenego..important readings that
date..and in Daniel you have the 3 Presidents..you know Dixon
said we would have 3 presidents in 10 years.and consider too, her
anti Christ is running around loose and I think it is this King Hussein
married to beautiful Queen Noor - mother was English and his father who
recently died said the Lion would always protect him.
But he was born on February 5, 1962 the date Dixon said the Christ child
was re born - but 2nd book she changed it to the Anti Christ was born
and she had awakened in bed one ngiht with a big snake who symbolized
this horrific eventshe ended her book with {wait until you see,
what God has planned for you.
Only thing I know
Re: [CTRL] NYP: ALL PRESENTS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR, SHE SAYS
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/27/2001 11:54:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday defended taking more than $190,000 in furniture and other gifts from fat cats like Denise Rich, whose ex-husband got a controversial pardon from Bill Clinton. But a top ethics watchdog blasted the New York's Democrat for taking freebies to help furnish her new houses, saying: "It totally smells." What's the big deal? Someone gave Reagan a ranch and a townhouse. I'm sure there were other neat gifts as well. I notice that our generals retired and President Bush went zipping over to Kuwait as soon as he was out of office. Ever wonder why? Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fidel Bushito
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/29/01 12:58:37 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Wayne Spence was executed in Texas in 1997 in spite of compelling evidence of his innocence. Gary Graham was convicted of the robbery and murder of a white man in 1981. Nearly two weeks after the crime, the state's prime witness could not pick Gary's picture out of a photo line-up George W. Bush, predictably, expressed his faith in the Texas judicial system and allowed Mr. Graham to be put to death. Mr. Graham maintained his innocence until the end. Yet GW recommended to the Board of Pardons and Paroles that Henry Lee Lucas' death sentence be commuted. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How it works: Revolving door.
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: F.C.C.'s Powell Chooses Disney Exec as Chief of Staff - Reuters Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:11:15 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Eisenscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; Reuters January 25, 2001 F.C.C.'s Powell Chooses Disney Exec as Chief of Staff WASHINGTON - New Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell on Thursday named Walt Disney Co. executive Marsha MacBride as the agency's new chief of staff. MacBride served as a vice president in Disney's Washington office, which was heavily involved in lobbying the FCC to place strict conditions on the America Online-Time Warner combination which was concluded earlier this month. She has served in various capacities at the FCC for roughly 10 years, including as a legal advisor to Powell on mass media and cable television issues. She was also executive director of the agency's task force of the Year 2000 conversion. ``As chief of staff, she will be exercising her wonderful management and people skills that were so instrumental in our successful Y2K effort,'' Powell said in a statement. Powell, a Republican, was named on Monday by President George W. Bush as chairman of the five-member panel. He succeeds William Kennard, a Democrat, who stepped down last week as the Clinton presidency came to an end. Powell has been on the FCC as a commissioner since late 1997. The panel is typically split three to two in favor of the political party that holds the White House. Disney urged the FCC, as well as antitrust authorities, to require AOL-Time Warner to allow consumers access to whatever content they choose regardless of the provider and not limit the interactive nature of content from rival companies. The FCC and Federal Trade Commission approved the combination with conditions, including one by the FTC that prevents the new company, now AOL Time Warner Inc., from interfering with content from rival providers. In the FCC's review of the mega-merger, Powell voted in favor of allowing it to go forward but was in the minority opposing conditions on opening up advanced instant messaging services and providing access for Internet service providers to Time Warner cable lines. MacBride joined the FCC in 1991 as an attorney in the mass media's enforcement division and received her law degree from George Washington University School of Law. ___ FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. --- Sponsor's Message -- Knowledge management solutions from AskMe Corp enable your company to increase sales and improve decision making. Learn to harness the value of your employees' tacit knowledge http://click.topica.com/aaabc3b1dc1Ab1jclkc/askme __ You can subscribe to Solidarity4Ever by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and unsubscribe by sending an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a read-only list, but if you have an item you want posted, send it to the list moderator at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who will determine whether it is appropriate for redistribution. You can temporarily suspend delivery by sending a request to the same address. Notify the moderator at the time you want delivery resumed. You can also manage this function yourself by going to the list at www.igc.topica.com/lists/Solidarity4Ever. T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used
Re: [CTRL] Professors' deaths jolt Dartmouth College
-Caveat Lector- http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2001/01/29/dartmouth/index.html Professors' deaths jolt Dartmouth College By J.M. Hirsch Jan. 29, 2001 | HANOVER, N.H. (AP) -- The humanity that Susanne and Half Zantop brought to Dartmouth College has made it difficult for colleagues to accept how the couple's lives could have ended in a double homicide. The Zantops, both longtime professors at the Ivy League school, were found slain in their secluded house about three miles from campus. "They were wonderful people. They were special - intellectually, humanly, everything," said Dartmouth languages instructor Roxanne Verona. Verona told neighbors she stumbled upon the Zantops' bodies when she arrived at the house for dinner Saturday evening and found the door unlocked. Police have since cautioned Verona not to discuss the discovery, but some details about the slayings have seeped out. "She went in and called out. There was no answer," neighbor and friend Audrey McCollum said. "She turned and saw Susanne on the floor with blood around her." Verona rushed to McCollum's home to call police while McCollum's husband Robert, a doctor, went over to the Zantops' home. Robert McCollum said he saw enough to know for certain the couple had been dead for several hours. Attorney General Philip McLaughlin on Sunday refused to discuss a possible motive, suspects, the cause of the deaths or the condition of the house, saying he did not want to jeopardize the investigation. Susanne Zantop, 55, was chairwoman of the German Studies Department. Her 62-year-old husband taught Earth sciences. Both had taught at Dartmouth for at least 25 years and had two adult daughters. About 50 faculty members, administrators and students held a somber meeting on campus Sunday night and agreed to set up a support network with a campus hot line. Many embraced, some were tearful, and most, including Dean Jim Larimore, were trying to come to terms with the word "homicide." "Words like this don't come easily in a place like this," he said. "What we have to acknowledge is that this is a nightmare, but we won't wake up." A picturesque town of just under 10,000, Hanover is lively, but considered safe. The last murder was in 1991, when two female students from Ethiopia were killed with an ax. Police said it was the first murder in town in more than 40 years and the first murder of a Dartmouth student that anyone could remember. An Ethopian man allegedly spurned by one of the victims was convicted and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Kinohi Nishikawa, a senior living in an apartment complex for German studies students, said he learned about the professors' deaths from the student newspaper. "I was in total shock - I couldn't breathe," he said. "I've been following this on the Internet, and every little detail is tugging at my heart." Nishikawa, who does research for a German studies professor, said he was dreading seeing the teaching staff Monday. "It's almost too much for me to think about going back there and seeing them," he said. "I know this campus will be a very sad place in the next few days, whether they've ever met the Zantops or not." Associated Press A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How it's done: Welfare for professionals.
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: NYTimes: U.S. Aid Abroad Is Business Back Home Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:57:50 -0600 (CST) From: Joyo News [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; Washington Post Friday, January 26, 2001 -front page- Aid Abroad Is Business Back Home By Michael Dobbs Washington Post Foreign Service Last of three articles In September 1997, a development consulting firm headquartered in elegant offices on 20th Street NW celebrated winning a $26 million contract from the U.S. Agency for International Development. Chemonics International Inc. had the go-ahead to lead a three-year effort to promote democracy in local government in Poland. The project became one of the most ambitious U.S. foreign aid initiatives in the former Soviet Bloc. To hear USAID officials talk, it was a model worthy of emulation around the world. Assessments by Polish recipients range widely, from modestly positive to scathingly critical. What is not in doubt is the financial boost that such programs have given to the development business back in the United States. An analysis of the Polish project shows that the bulk of the $26 million was spent on aid consultants, many of them Americans, for such things as salaries, airfare, rent, office equipment, cost-of-living allowances, cars and a support staff back in Washington. In an era of declining aid budgets, USAID's official Web site proclaims that "the principal beneficiary of America's foreign assistance program has always been the United States." The site notes that nearly 80 percent of USAID contracts and grants go "directly to American firms." It adds that USAID programs, which cost about $7.5 billion last year, have helped create new markets for American goods and "hundreds of thousands of jobs" for U.S. citizens. USAID officials contend the system benefits both sides. Americans get jobs and foreigners get hard-to-acquire knowledge that will enable them to build thriving economies and stable, democratic governments. Critics argue that the principal beneficiaries are a handful of big consulting outfits, for-profit and nonprofit, with an inside track on the complex and highly bureaucratic art of winning government contracts. Nowhere is aid a bigger business than in the Washington area, home to dozens of development groups that feed off USAID and compete for contracts. Many of these companies are staffed by retired USAID employees skilled in writing proposals to appeal to their erstwhile government colleagues. Some employ spouses of current USAID officials. One of the largest and most successful of these companies is Chemonics, which runs a host of foreign aid programs -- its work includes improving air quality in Cairo and helping persuade Colombian farmers to stop growing illicit coca and opium poppy crops. In Poland, the work has entailed such things as helping local governments reform their budgets, computerize housing databases and improve their public relations techniques. Fifty-two percent of Chemonics' shares are owned by a former assistant administrator of USAID from the last Bush administration, Scott M. Spangler; the rest are held by staff members and a minority investor. Run day-to-day by a former U.S. Foreign Service officer named Thurston Teele, Chemonics reported a record $85 million in revenue for the last nine months of 1999 and net income of $1.7 million. The company's return on equity was 34 percent, it reports. According to Teele, Chemonics relies on USAID for 90 percent of its business, which has been growing at about 20 percent a year. Chemonics -- like its leading competitors, Development Alternatives Inc. of Bethesda and Academy for Educational Development on Connecticut Avenue -- devotes much of its work in Washington to winning USAID contracts. This highly specialized process demands intimate knowledge of agency rules and procedures. Once a contract is won, the firms may charge various forms of administrative overhead, which in the Polish project amounted to about $5.4 million, or 21 percent of the Chemonics contract. Also keeping the money in American hands are laws that oblige both USAID and Chemonics to use American companies and American subcontractors wherever possible, even if the cost is significantly higher than using foreign ones. Chemonics personnel in Poland, as in other parts of the world, are required to fly on American airlines, drive American automobiles and type their reports on American computers. J. Brian Atwood, who stepped down as director of USAID in 1999 after six years in the job, describes the buy-American procurement laws as "the biggest headache I had to deal with" at the agency. He argues that the rigidity and complexity of the contract-bidding process -- a proposal can cost the bidder $50,000 to produce -- favors big companies like Chemonics over small nonprofit groups. "It is a very frustrating aspect of the way USAID is run." Teele describes the
Re: [CTRL] So We All Have Written What We Have Written.......
-Caveat Lector- You know I should proof a letter before I send it but I do the reverse - always in a hurry, and proof it after I mail it. So the date of the Apollo disaster was January 27, 1967 not 26thChallenger went down blown to hell on the 28th and as I recall this ws a day or two late going up? They had red and white flowers on the table that day they had their last supper.and I wondered like JFK in Dallas - gave Mrs. Kennedy Red Roses, and Lady Bird White Roses..Red and White roses was the goodbye old pal tip off. When I saw the red and white flowers I shuddered.I even called down at a place to see if they had a horse by the name of Reshnick running...while just a few short miles from me a teacher who wanted to go on Challenger and lost, was reciting "Ride a Horse to the Sun".Apollo was the sun or son god - lived on Isle of Delos.. Sometimes I wish I had been inside instead of jut an observor, who worked WITH insiders. By the way, David Duke is in Russian spreading anti semitism.now what is his purpose in Russia - does he feel rejected or has this turkey gone home to roost for he is no real Klansman. For no Klansman, real Klansman would ever break his masonic oathwho and what is David the Puke Duke? He did get a nose job to enhace his appearance...but why is Duke in Russia - I know this a California based KKK was comprised of imposters as was the Walker spies KKK which was organized with assistance of KGB.does this figure in? So is KGB already setting up American for the kill again? Maybe this time the guard will always be up. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How it's done: Corporate welfare for corporate thieves
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Stealthy Deal Protects Profits of PGE's Parents Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:45:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric Stewart" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Norma J. F. Harrison" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? file=/chronicle/archive/2001/01/16/MN184364.DTL -- Stealthy Deal Protects Profits of PGE's Parents Christian Berthelsen, Chronicle Staff WriterTuesday, January 16, 2001 -- PGE Corp. has quietly won approval from federal regulators to restructure itself in a way that shields the parent company's profits, and shareholders, from the mounting debts of the utility it owns. The move appears to allow Pacific Gas and Electric Co.'s parent to record substantial profits while maintaining that its subsidiary, which supplies power to 4.5 million customers, is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and trying to force ratepayers to pick up the tab. The corporate restructuring, approved by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission on Friday, came as a surprise to consumer advocates and state leaders dealing with the energy crisis -- including Gov. Gray Davis. They have been working feverishly the past seven days to construct a deal that would alleviate debt pressure on PGE and Southern California Edison by having the state of California buy power and provide it to the utilities at cost. Steve Moviglio, a spokesman for Davis, said the governor was displeased by PGE's move, although he said it was not likely to derail the state's efforts to intervene in the crisis. He also said Davis was "disappointed that FERC acted in the middle of the night without notice to all parties." Ratepayer advocates and even some state officials have said that any aid to the ailing utilities should be offset by the huge profits that PGE Corp. has made during the crisis from electricity generation and trading revenues. The money has certainly flowed in the other direction, they argue. In the past, PGE Corp. has used revenues from the utility to pay down corporate debt, pay stock dividends and buy assets in other states. PGE Corp.'s action appears to eliminate that possible means of paying off at least part of the $2 billion in debt incurred since November by its utility, Pacific Gas and Electric Co., as it bought power at prices higher than it can legally charge customers. "It's certainly a response to them feeling the threat that the holding company's going to be held responsible for all this," said Bob Finkelstein, an attorney for The Utility Reform Network, an advocacy group. Meanwhile, California's energy crisis continued in full force yesterday, as the California Independent System Operator issued a Stage Two emergency, meaning that demand had reached within 5 percent of the state's electric supply, prompting requests to certain large users to shut down and conserve power. This occurred despite a national holiday, Martin Luther King Day, on which most businesses were closed and demand was forecast to reach about 30, 000 megawatts, a fairly modest number. Further, conditions appeared as if they were going to worsen imminently. Edison said it will be unable to pay bills coming due today, and PGE said it has only about $500 million on hand to cover what it owes. Bankruptcy filings by both utilities appeared more likely. State leaders were still in negotiations yesterday to broker a deal in which California's Department of Water Resources would step in and buy power on behalf of the utilities, who are facing a growing inability to pay for their purchases. The talks were reported to be breaking down, however, because Davis refused to consider raising California rates or backing utility debts with a letter of credit from the state. In San Francisco, state Senate President Pro Tem John Burton said legislation passed last week by the Assembly will probably make its way to the governor's desk by the end of the month. One bill would change the makeup of the boards that oversee the state's power market, and the other would prohibit utilities from selling off their power-generating assets. In the midst of yet another Stage 2 electrical emergency the Democratic leader said, "I want the people of California to have long, stable, available energy throughout the rest of our lives." But in the short term, with the threat of rolling blackouts and urgent requests for power conservation, Burton stated the obvious: "Turn the goddamn lights off," he said. NO CHALLENGES TO RESTRUCTURING The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved PGE's restructuring plan on a 3-to-1 vote on Friday. It was apparently described in a Dec. 28 public notice as a stock transfer, and thus flew under the radar screens of most observers. Details of the plan were first reported
Re: [CTRL] Capitalizations (was: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vo...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/29/01 9:40:47 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from getting published... June cummings - e.e. cummings. A.A. Milne used capitalization, at least in his Pooh poems. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Corporations ubber alles: The Corporate Take over of Science]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: New Book: The Corporate Take over of Science Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:25:30 -0600 (CST) From: MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; +++ Dr. Mae-Wan Ho Director Institute of Science in Society The October Gallery 24 Old Gloucester St. London WC1N 3AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISIS Book Brief 26 Jan. 2001 The Corporate Take over of Science Captive State: The Corporate Takeover of Britain by George Monbiot, MacMillan, London, 2000. Review by Mae-Wan Ho, Ph.D. The corporate take over is here and threatening the foundations of democratic government. That is the message of George Monbiot's explosive and important book Corporations have seized control of our hospitals, schools and universities. They have infiltrated the government and come to dominate government ministries, buying and selling planning permission, dispensing our tax money to research and development that benefit industry, taking over the food chain. To top it all, the British Government has colluded in ceding its power to international institutions controlled by corporations, such as the World Trade Organization, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Anyone who is under the delusion that corrupt or corrupted governments are only in the Third World has better think again. The chapter on corporate takeover of universities is too close to home. I have been on the permanent academic staff of the Open University since 1976, but was strongly encouraged to take early retirement last June as I became more and more involved in the genetic engineering debate. In the course of the genetic engineering debate, I had begun to realise that the corporate takeover of science was the greatest threat to democracy and to the survival of our planet [1]. That was why I co-founded the not-for-profit Institute of Science in Society (ISIS) to work for social responsibility and sustainable approaches in science and the integration of science in society. As part of the agreement for my retirement, I was to be given an honorary secondment, so I could continue running ISIS from the University, while making it clear it was independent from the University. The situation soon began to rapidly deteriorate, however. In August, less than two months after my retirement, my research assistant and I were both officially banned from the University campus. Huntingdon Life Sciences (HLS) alleged in a letter and phone-call to my head of Department that I was in possession of certain internal papers belonging to them. Huntingdon Life Sciences is a privately-owned laboratory, at the time doing contract research for the biotech companies, among them Imutran, a subsidiary of the corporate-giant Novartis. The University made no attempt to communicate with me or with my assistant before imposing the ban. Had they done so, they would have found that HLS' accusation was false. I was sent some papers by a group campaigning for animal welfare, who were helping me obtain published scientific papers on cross-species organ transplant - the experiments being carried out in HLS for Imutran - so that ISIS could prepare a scientific critique, which we did [2]. The internal papers were never used and have been destroyed since, as I judged that there was enough in the scientific literature to damn the whole project on safety and moral grounds. But the chief of HLS, Brian Cass, tried to intimidate me, in phone calls, and in an e-mail, to get me to reveal the identity of the campaigning group. I refused to do so. When I went on campus to prepare my reply to the ban, the Sub-Dean of Science came into my office and threatened to have me removed physically with the security guard. After days on the telephone to my Union representative, the Dean of Science agreed to see me. Months later, the ban was lifted for myself, but my for my assistant; the University denied that she had, in fact, been given an honorary research fellowship a year earlier. I was further barred from using University facilities for ISIS. The animal welfare group, Uncaged Campaigns, has gone public since with a 150 page report leaked to the press, documenting excessive suffering of animals at HLS, and Imutran's exaggeration of the success of the pig to primate organ transplant research. Imutran has brought an injunction against Uncaged Campaigns to prevent the release of the report. But just four days after the news broke, Novartis announced the closure of Imutran, and the removal of the research to the United States. Nevertheless, Novartis has pursued the case against Uncaged Campaigns to full trial and won. Since then there has been a plethora of prominent articles in the mainstream press condemning animal rights activists and defending Huntingdon Life Sciences. George Monbiot gives many more examples of similar treatments the University administrations mete out to academics daring to dissent from the corporate agenda or
[CTRL] Tonight on History Channel: The Crop Circle Controversy
-Caveat Lector- [I just saw the hyped-up trailer for this new episode of "Histories Mysteries," and it came off as though they have much new information that supports the paranormal origins of at least some crop formations (i.e., versus passing all crop formations off as world-wide frauds and hoaxes ALL perpetrated by two very elderly, and/or recently deceased, English country side farmers, as were the conclusions of several other recent made-for-TV documentaries, e.g., the recent idiotic B.B.C. presentation on crop circles, as well as the completely ludicrous recent U.S. treatment that was hosted by Judd Nelson). BTW, has anyone else noticed that the cable network, "Travel Network" (i.e., the channel that is usually dominated by vacation travel destination type shows) has been almost EXCLUSIVELY *serious* treatments of shows dealing with UFOs, ghost and haunting locales, and paranormal shows having about ZERO to do with TERRESTRIAL travel for the last few weeks!?!?!? Weird? Seems to me that this type thing is more than just network programmers, news media, advertisers, etc., just "answering the public's interest and desire" to see/hear/read of things related to ETs, etc. I figure the government announced, and over-due, bomb shell that we are "not alone" shouldn't be long in coming now. --MS] History's Mysteries "All New Show" Crop Circle Controversy Length: 60 min. An examination of crop circles in England and other countries. Category: Documentary Release Year: 2001 Show times: [Arizona time, i.e., 1 hour later than Pacific Time Zone. --MS] Date TimeChannel Monday, 29 6:00 PM 28 HISTORY CHANNEL Monday, 29 10:00 PM 28 HISTORY CHANNEL Tuesday, 30 2:00 AM 28 HISTORY CHANNEL = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- Boy, have you got one cruel nastry streak!! I still remember when I first saw Elizabeth Taylor. She was five years old and she ran across a field in Lassie Come Home. I was probably around 4, myself, but she took my breath away. I had never seen anyone so beautiful. And I will never ever forget National Velvet. Or Junior Miss. We live in a celebrity culture and the celebrity circle gets smaller and smaller. These people are promoted to us as people who are "somebody"--who are living "real" lives while the rest of us sit in front of our TVs and watch, living our marginalized lives. I grew up in a household with a father who was an international showbiz celebrity in the 20's and 30s. In the late 20s, he was the toast of Paris and London, feted by the Kings of Norway and Sweden and the Prince of Wales. He was a dancer/comedian and by the time I was born his career was just hitting the downslope-- dancers having a time limit on their careers. I know the inside of that story and how cruel the world can be when you've won the world's attention and gotten used to the limelight and then you can't keep it. To his credit, he worked for years for the USO, touring veteran's hospitals after WWII, and years and years later, when he died, actually had a military burial at sea for his service, although he had never formally served in the armed forces. I am now around Elizabeth Taylor's age and, amazingly, I actually look a lot better now than she does. However, I have not accomplished what she has nor given the world as much pleasure as she has. For God's sake, she has been through all sorts of medical stuff for decades, including a recent brain tumor and is surely on debilitating medication. On the one hand, it's sad to see her now, looking so terrible. On the other, it is a blessing that she is still active and willing to lend whatever clout she has to good causes. Time can be cruel enough to all of us. Give the lady a break. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to hurt Women
-Caveat Lector- Well now aren't we having fun, folks. Please let us all tone down the rhetoric. Let us be civil in our discussions, who knows someone might learn something. So let's stop the "fighting talk." If someone threatens you , feel free to report their behavior to their ISP. I f anyone continues harrasment off-list please contact me. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Al Martin Raw: Criminal Govt Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.almartinraw.com/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.almartinraw.com/"Al Martin Raw: Criminal Govt Conspiracy/A - THE CONSPIRATORS Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider by Al Martin ( 2000 Al Martin) Call toll-free 877-776-9004 to order. January 29, 2001 by Al Martin From Cradle to Cabal: The Secret Life of Gale Norton A True Blue Republican Party Apparatchik Also Rises Gale Norton, the Bush designate for Secretary of Interior, was Attorney General of Colorado from 1991 to 1999. She was brought in after her predecessor Duane Woodard was forced to resign because of his involvement in illegal political contributions. Incidentally Woodard through his involvement in a series of partnerships and corporations had borrowed over $70 million from the infamous Silverado Savings, which he never repaid. He was recommended for these loans by then Silverado Director Neil Bush. At the same time, Robert Gallagher, the Arapahoe County District Attorney, was appointed to investigate MDC Holdings Corp., a publicly traded company on the American Stock Exchange, controlled by the infamous Republican cabalist Leonard Millman. After an SEC investigation, MDC plead guilty in 1991, paid a $1.5 million fine and was under SEC supervision for three years. Then Judge Richard G. Matsch (of the Oklahoma City Bombing Case fame) was assigned to the MDC Holdings case. Denver US Attorney Mike Norton (no relation to Gale) was the prosecutor. Prior to his US Attorney appointment, Mike Norton ran for the Senate, and his campaign manager was the Chief Executive Officer of MDC Holdings, Larry Mizel. The Assistant US Attorneys in the case were Joseph Mackey and Greg Graff, whose brother, Robert Graff, was also an MDC Holdings Director. Because of public and media pressure, the US Attorneys office indicted several of the vice presidents of MDC subsidiaries, including Richmond American Homes, one of the nation's largest builders. They plead guilty. At that point, Judge Matsch made a statement in open court that he was tired of the prosecution bringing in low level vice presidents before him and because of the serious evidence he expected the prosecutors to vigorously prosecute those who were at the top, David Mandarich and Larry Mizel, and that he would vigorously sentence those involved. Within days, his daughter was dead. The bizarre circumstances involved her "falling" into a volcano on Hawaii during a trip there with her boyfriend. An inside source claims that the boyfriend was planted on her. He supposedly met her in a grocery store, wined and dined her and had been dating her for about a month from the time Judge Matsch was assigned to the case. Then because of the death of his daughter, the MDC case was reassigned to the Chief Judge of the Tenth Federal Circuit Court, Judge Sherman Finesilver. Finesilver accepted a $1.5 million plea bargain from MDC and acquitted Mandarich while Judge Matsch was in mourning. At that time, Robert Gallagher was appointed Special Assistant Attorney General by the Governor of Colorado to investigate the alleged political contributions of MDC Holdings. Colorado Attorney General Woodard was named one of the recipients of illegal campaign money and he resigned. With Woodard gone and Gallagher's investigation completed, Gale Norton, the new Attorney General, took the investigation report and doctored it, eliminating evidence of wrongdoing by MDC Holdings and its officials, especially Larry Mizel. And how was Gale Norton paid off? She was allowed to hire six new attorneys for her staff to interface with Colorado state officials, congressmen and senators. Eyewitness reports have described only two attorneys on staff in the basement offices and the other four attorneys were never seen. Evidently the notorious M L Business Machines, a subsidiary of MDC Holdings, had laundered the attorneys payroll checks for Gale Norton's benefit. In fact, M L Business Machines president Robert Joseph testified before a US Federal Grand Jury that the payroll checks for Gale Norton's phantom attorneys were indeed laundered through M L Business Machines. Assistants to Gale Norton were further advised and evidence was turned over to them about their boss's criminal activity and obstruction of justice. Later when allegations of corruption concerning Silverado Savings and Loan and Denver International Airport appeared on an official report, Gale Norton again rewrote the report omitting any accounts of wrongdoing by her real bosses, Leonard Millman and the Denver Boys. When Gale Norton left the Attorney General's office, she was rewarded,given a partnership at the infamous Denver-based Brownstein Law Firm. So here are some of the connections. Norman Brownstein was on the Board of Directors of MDC Holdings, parent company of Silverado SL and Richmond Homes, as well as MDC's corporate counsel.
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- So snoOwl - I saw her over 20 years ago and she looked like a hogs head of wine..only worse. My relative went to school with her in Glendale, and she was a pretty little girl.so what happened? This was a special school at the time...movie stars fit into the scenario of the times. If you could have seen her in Columbus, spaced out - and her then husband John Warner - they both lived on the Mellon "Farm" in Virginia.and of course we know who the Mellons are - for all Mellons are CIA/Masonic... So movies are movies - one thing I have I cherish, is Van Johnson's New York Phone number which he gave to me - it was unlisted - and when I met him he was still handsome and tallhe wrote his address and phone number on a piece of his letterhead and autographed a picture to me...when he left town, he had my Mafia Card ( Clan of Dan) in his billfold. .when he left he told my son "tell your mother she is a beautiful woman"...he also told me he had driven by my house that day for he knew where I lived.always wondered why, but my son had told him jokingly his mother was always in love with him... Here was a man who was a MasonI had to look at him, and the first thing he said was - hey, you are younger than I thought you would be.and then the next day he flew out and arrived in New York, and this kind man took Greta Garbo out for her birthday - now this lady would not receive, just anybody Now here was a gentleman - he played with Liz Taylor in a movie or two - and I imagine he is really well liked by his friends - but people who knew and know him, think he is a wonderful man. So if they show re-run of Larry King - try to see it for Larry King grabbed her hand in a firm grip and held that hand tight and she could not loose it..so they bought the ring from Krupp? Have a feeling Larry King had some inside information here Larry King is Jewish and you had the feeling while civil and polite, he did not want that "little jewish girl" to pass herself off as jewish when she was convert? Big piece of something missing here and watch her go into the Shirley McClain scenario now - and she does have lousey perfume.I prefer St. John's Camelia and Calvin Klein . Look cheap, smell cheap - that, is Elizabeth TaylorI liked Lassie - but her little pig snout I still remembe because it looked like he nose was full of black fur (and to me that was disgusting, a pig nose full of fur). So much for Liz Taylor and connection to the long arm of KRUPP..so why was Larry King so adament about holdiong onto this hand while she tried to get loose? Strange nobody has commented upon her drunken conductbut poor Liz, she has been sick...she had lots of plastic surgery done holed up with Michael Jackson and when he was trying to whiten up and had his nose put back on, he holed up with Liz? Maybe birds of feather do flock together.. Larry King took Liz's hand in a very firm and demanding way and said who bought you that ring He was not nice about it - she was doped up and/or drunk, and oh suh a tragic life - half of it in drunken stupor - but Larry King wanted to know about that ring and he knew it had belonged to Krupp family without a doubt.but he was a little TOO quick to remind this woman that she was a convert Jew - so maybe there is something he is not telling us. In Columbus, she looked like a whiskey soaked prostituteand sittin in the Mellon Farm? CIA Far where they tried to un-fatten and sober up this fat slob? Cruel - yes, for I say this the last movie star - when was it the last time she played in a movie and what was it she played - well from Lassie to A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- By the way snoOwl...I have copy of the last picture taken of Glen Mlller with my brother in law in England.with a war going on and people being killed Hollywood would have you believe that Miller was on "oh so secret" mission? Now as for that little 5 year old Liz Taylor running through the green green grass of home well, that movie she was at least 12 years old.and she still had this pig nose that was worked on by plastic surgeons, her eyes are NOT violet, and her skin back in 1970 had big pores and her face looked like end of long life at tank of whiskey... Such a sad life - all those trips to the hospital, etc...but wearing a ring that belonged to the Krupp family? So what is it with that ring that caused Larry King to remind fat Liz that she was a jewish convert for he wanted no part of that false impression of a "little jewish girl" who waddles like a duck. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS.......
-Caveat Lector- On 29 Jan 01, at 10:33, Johannes Schmidt III wrote: When our previous State government was unexpectedly voted out, one of the many juvenile things they did was to get several thousand filing cabinet keys and threw them all in one big pile, unlabelled. Plus the usual obscene messages being left on government answering machines, beepers and mobile phones. According to a recent article in Salon.com, the Reagans had to pay $1 million in taxes after an investigation about the stuff they took with them when they left the White House. (ever hear of it? I don't seem to recall reading about it.) And the damage done to the White House was not more than could be expected when a 400 person staff leaves a facility wherein they have been ensconced for 8 years. Bill Clinton was just such jolly fun to go after that the Republicans just don't want to stop. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Looming Civil War in Palestine
I can see it now - East Israel and West Israel, and East Palestine and West Palestine - operating on premise of divine and conquer? So King Solomons mines under this city with tunnels running for the moles? Maybe they have a Chase Manhattan Bank underground? But what happened to the lost gold of the Templars? Or is that in the US Treasury hills of Kentucky? So as we head into a nuclear-solar age, someday they will find man does not live by oil aloneyou got to have water to drink and food to live and we better watch that Henry Kissinger who wants to corner market on both? Well the wind blew and the le mared flew. Goodbye Barak - Goodbye Arafat - bring on the big guns now and see you on CNN Live - the Armaghgeddon? ___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! * * * * * * * IF YOU DON'T GET MER, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASSASSINATION AND COUNTER-ASSASSINATION IN PALESTINE "Fears are growing in the international community that Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority (PA) is heading for collapse." "European and Arab giving more money to the PA to keep it going, after the theft, corruption and repression of the past, is a stupid policy under all the circumstances." MID-EAST REALITIES - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 1/29: The Israelis have problems, big problems; and electing a man many consider to be a war criminal to be their Prime Minister certainly exacerbates them. There's a major problem providing water for the Jewish State. All-important tourist income is way down because of the second Palestinian Intifada. The tensions between the secular left and the religious right are considerable and still growing. Weapons of mass destruction are no longer going to be an Israeli monopoly in the future. But these are not problems of the magnitude faced by the Palestinians -- among them the looming possibility of civil war. On the 13th of January the Arafat Regime -- after a very brief "military trial" that was quickly and widely condemned even by those who have strong ties with and provide support for the regime -- put two Palestinians in front of a firing squad for the first time since coming to power in 1994. When video pictures which "The Authority" thought had all been confiscated were shown on TV the journalists were arrested. The word was out from the regime: "Don't dare to oppose us". Indirectly those thought to be plotting a possible coup against Arafat were being warned about their likely fate. In subsequent days vigilante "justice" resulted in more summary executions, not necessarily PA approved. And on 15 January the Arafat Regime's Jerusalem Man, Feisal Husseini, held a press conference, supposedly to answer the European critics of what had been done, and especially of how it had been done. "They (the Israelis) are putting us in a military state and in an atmosphere of war," Husseini insisted. "There is only one body that is responsible for taking this critical decision and carrying it out. Only one body. Any attempt from an individual or group to do this will bring charges onto them," Hussein stressed, trying to hold back the emotional flood the PA itself had unleashed. Two days later in a Gaza Hotel a close friend whom Arafat had personally appointed head of Palestinian TV, Hisham Mikki, was gunned down by masked men. The next day Arafat himself was a pallbearer helping carry Mikki's coffin. Since the killing, it has been learned that Mikki was widely despised as a man who had very little eight years ago when Arafat appointed him, but at the time of his death had at least $17 million in various bank accounts. The word was out from Arafat's opponents: "Don't dare go too far with the Israelis, and don't dare push us too far either." A couple of days ago in Nablus masked Palestinians shot to death another "corrupt" official as the cycle of violence and killing within Palestinian society continues to escalate. Far more is going on than ever makes its way into newspaper reports; and people on the ground fear even more what they say and write and tell others. Now, with Ariel Sharon about to come to the pinnacle of Israeli power, the tensions within Palestinian society, and the policies that can be expected from the Israelis (especially covert) to play on these tensions, can be expected to push the Palestinians still further toward the civil war they have so far managed to avert. Meanwhile, the Arab "client regimes" and
[CTRL] U.S. Supreme Court Bitch-Slap
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Re: [CTRL] Tonight on History Channel: The Crop Circle Controversy
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:46:34 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: [I just saw the hyped-up trailer for this new episode of "Histories Mysteries," and it came off as though they have much new information that supports the paranormal origins of at least some crop formations (i.e., versus passing all crop formations off as world-wide frauds and hoaxes ALL perpetrated by two very elderly, and/or recently deceased, English country side farmers, as were the conclusions of several other recent made-for-TV documentaries, e.g., the recent idiotic B.B.C. presentation on crop circles, as well as the completely ludicrous recent U.S. treatment that was hosted by Judd Nelson). Hey, some of these crop circles are simply too elaborate and detailed for a couple of old geyzers to go out stomping around the fields with two by fours and twine. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that all of these circles were done by old men. I've seen some crop circles that were poorly done and I beleived them to be hoaxes, but some of these cirlces are simple too beautiful and too symmetrical to have been done with boards and string. To do these kinds of circles, men would need aerial surveyors and weeks, if not months of work to complete some of these designs so perfectly, if they could do it at all. BTW, has anyone else noticed that the cable network, "Travel Network" (i.e., the channel that is usually dominated by vacation travel destination type shows) has been almost EXCLUSIVELY *serious* treatments of shows dealing with UFOs, ghost and haunting locales, and paranormal shows having about ZERO to do with TERRESTRIAL travel for the last few weeks!?!?!? Weird? Seems to me that this type thing is more than just network programmers, news media, advertisers, etc., just "answering the public's interest and desire" to see/hear/read of things related to ETs, etc. I figure the government announced, and over-due, bomb shell that we are "not alone" shouldn't be long in coming now. --MS] I used to have this state of mind in which every time I saw something about the possibility of alien contact and more proof thereof, I thought that "they" were preparing to spill the beans. I have always been disappointed. I've always found that these programs never reveal as much as I've already surmised about the situation, or read elsewhere. These programs are geared toward people who don't participate in CTRL or other similar mailing lists. The top priority in most people's minds is the economy, education, health care and what they're having for supper each night. Unless a space ship drops out of the sky and lands in their back yard, they aren't going to be too concerned about it. The government and the media surely wonder why they should rock the boat during times when the economy is growing and people are making money. Of course, there are still many who have seen something in the sky, but they're still too afraid to come out with it for fear of being laughed at by their friends or colleagues. Luckily the internet is helping to bring these kinds of people together so they can realize that they're not so strange. Then again, we often reveal things online that we would never tell our next-door neighbor, much less our relatives. The unfortunate thing is that chances are I've probably spilled the beans to people I've talked to face-to-face--perhaps even some good friends, and I've almost certainly been read by a friend of one of my friends, and if we connected the dots, we'd surely find some consensus and bring these topics out of the internet and into face-to-face conversations. Damaeus A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tonight on History Channel: The Crop Circle Controversy
In a message dated 1/29/01 12:39:05 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [I just saw the hyped-up trailer for this new episode of "Histories Mysteries," and it came off as though they have much new information that supports the paranormal origins of at least some crop formations (i.e., Usually they trot out a couple of elderly guys or some college students who say they made all the crop circles. They must have one heck of a travel allotment. As the y appear all over the world. Carl
[CTRL] Open season on professors?
-Caveat Lector- [First there was the murder last week (still unsolved) of a professor at the University of Toronto - stabbed to death in his office - now this. Kelly] http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2001/01/29/dartmouth/index.html Professors' deaths jolt Dartmouth College By J.M. Hirsch Jan. 29, 2001 | HANOVER, N.H. (AP) -- The humanity that Susanne and Half Zantop brought to Dartmouth College has made it difficult for colleagues to accept how the couple's lives could have ended in a double homicide. The Zantops, both longtime professors at the Ivy League school, were found slain in their secluded house about three miles from campus. "They were wonderful people. They were special - intellectually, humanly, everything," said Dartmouth languages instructor Roxanne Verona. Verona told neighbors she stumbled upon the Zantops' bodies when she arrived at the house for dinner Saturday evening and found the door unlocked. Police have since cautioned Verona not to discuss the discovery, but some details about the slayings have seeped out. "She went in and called out. There was no answer," neighbor and friend Audrey McCollum said. "She turned and saw Susanne on the floor with blood around her." Verona rushed to McCollum's home to call police while McCollum's husband Robert, a doctor, went over to the Zantops' home. Robert McCollum said he saw enough to know for certain the couple had been dead for several hours. Attorney General Philip McLaughlin on Sunday refused to discuss a possible motive, suspects, the cause of the deaths or the condition of the house, saying he did not want to jeopardize the investigation. Susanne Zantop, 55, was chairwoman of the German Studies Department. Her 62-year-old husband taught Earth sciences. Both had taught at Dartmouth for at least 25 years and had two adult daughters. About 50 faculty members, administrators and students held a somber meeting on campus Sunday night and agreed to set up a support network with a campus hot line. Many embraced, some were tearful, and most, including Dean Jim Larimore, were trying to come to terms with the word "homicide." "Words like this don't come easily in a place like this," he said. "What we have to acknowledge is that this is a nightmare, but we won't wake up." A picturesque town of just under 10,000, Hanover is lively, but considered safe. The last murder was in 1991, when two female students from Ethiopia were killed with an ax. Police said it was the first murder in town in more than 40 years and the first murder of a Dartmouth student that anyone could remember. An Ethopian man allegedly spurned by one of the victims was convicted and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Kinohi Nishikawa, a senior living in an apartment complex for German studies students, said he learned about the professors' deaths from the student newspaper. "I was in total shock - I couldn't breathe," he said. "I've been following this on the Internet, and every little detail is tugging at my heart." Nishikawa, who does research for a German studies professor, said he was dreading seeing the teaching staff Monday. "It's almost too much for me to think about going back there and seeing them," he said. "I know this campus will be a very sad place in the next few days, whether they've ever met the Zantops or not." Associated Press A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS.......
Title: RE: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS... And the damage done to the White House was not more than could be expected when a 400 person staff leaves a facility wherein they have been ensconced for 8 years. Bill Clinton was just such jolly fun to go after that the Republicans just don't want to stop. sno0wl If they can't get him for lying under oath, treason, illegal campaign finance, file-gate etc... Then let them at least get him for stealing some salt pepper shakers. Jamie
Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to hurt Women
-Caveat Lector- Violence against anyone is bad. If he stalks you or breaks into your house - shot'em in the balls. Make up your mind. Self Defense is THE basic human right. Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good. Self defense against those who commit violence IS violence. Ergo, if the statement "Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good" is true, then the statement "Violence against anyone is bad" is false because "those who commit violence" is a subset of "anyone." Logic 101 A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Capitalizations (was: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - Your publisher may insist on some capitalization. Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from getting published... June Don't encourage Alphabet Anarchists! Ever hear of Jill Johnson? Years ago she used to write for the Village Voicewas considered a "rising star" in the NYC literary scene. She apparently disappeared. People could not tolerate her annoying writing style of refusing to use caps and other basic punctuation. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to hu rt Women
Title: RE: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to hurt Women Self defense against those who commit violence IS violence. Ergo, if the statement Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good is true, then the statement Violence against anyone is bad is false because those who commit violence is a subset of anyone. Logic 101 nessie Violence against anyone is a false statement. Violence is the only way to handle some people, hence self-defense. Keep it simple, stupid. Honors Logic Jamie
[CTRL] Fw: Lift the sanctions against Afghanistan!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: Lift the sanctions against Afghanistan! By mid January the UN imposed once again sanctions against a "rogue state" in a joint effort of the US, the states of the European Union as well as Russia. This time it was the turn of Afghanistan allegedly to force the Taliban to extradite Osama bin Laden who has set up his head quarters there. This fresh Western attack follows the bombardment of Afghanistan by American cruise missiles two years ago. These aggressive moves are accompanied by the usual campaign against "Islamic fundamentalist terrorism" and for "human rights" especially shedding hypocritical tears for maltreated Afghan women thus legitimising the need for Western intervention. It is clear form the very beginning that the sanctions will hit first of all the already starving and suffering population of this war-torn country. Twenty years of a destructive and devastating civil war, a severe draught and the terror of the medieval theocratic regime of the Taliban has already turned life of the popular Afghan masses into hell. More than three millions have fled the country and day by day thousands try to escape to the neighbouring countries. The sanctions on top of all this might cause another genocide of the type of the Iraqi one. There ten years of a cruel blockade have resulted in the death of at least 1.5 million of people, leaving other millions in the most terrible misery and causing the disruption of the entire health and education system. Also other countries which oppose to subordinate to the "New World Order" have to suffer from embargos like Cuba, Yugoslavia, North Korea and many others. Those blockades imposed in the sake of human rights, democracy and freedom are simply imperialist crimes against humanity. The newly imposed sanctions against Afghanistan do not only show that the West does not care at all about the elementary interests of the people of Afghanistan (today nothing more than simple survival) which they claim to defend but also reveals it utmost hypocrisy. The Taliban used to be their own proxies in Afghanistan and the entire region of Central Asia ranging from the Caucasus to China. It is in fact a political force created and supported systematically by the US. In order to fight the Afghan anti-imperialist forces and later the Soviet army the US and its Pakistani ally embarked on the full support to the "Islamic fundamentalist" Mujahedin. After the Russians left the country and an even more cruel civil war broke out between the rivalling factions of the Mujahedin, the US eventually backed the Taliban to take power and erect their barbarous regime. But sometimes the sorcerer looses control of the ghosts it has called. Osama bin Laden himself is the best example. A creature heavily funded by the US to fight the Soviet Union turned after the latter's implosion into its enemy. Now the US apparently want to get rid of the most uncontrollable elements of the Taliban forcing a more moderate wing into power in Kabul. Thus they set pressure on the direct masters of the Taliban, the armed forces of Pakistan. But also those are only reluctantly carrying out the order from their rulers in Washington as they fear not only for their direct control over Afghanistan but even more for their geo-strategic role on the sub-continent which seems to be more and more put into question by the apparent US attempt of rapprochement with India against China. The Pakistani ruling class wants to preserve with its ongoing support to the Taliban a trump which can be played against the US for a stronger bargaining position. Therefore a direct military ! attack of the US in form of the Yugoslav-type air raids can no more be ruled out. However, the US still need the "Islamic fundamentalist" forces in the struggle to control Central Asia and the Caucasus weakening China and Russia. Therefore the final task of the operation will not be to wipe them out but to force them to "reason". In order to fight the reactionary rule of the Taliban the anti-imperialist forces of the region and of the world cannot relay upon imperialist political, economic and military intervention. Only by defending the elementary interests of the exhausted popular masses of Afghanistan both against imperialism and the Taliban they can regain their respect and support. The anti-imperialist forces have to be the leaders of the struggle against the sanction and the imperialist pressure showing that the Taliban's anti-imperialism are cheap phrases while they have been and still are the agent of imperialism against both the Afghan people and the peoples' of Central Asia. Down with the sanction against Afghanistan! Lift all the Western sanction against the peoples and states resisting the tyrant "New World Order"! Support the struggle of the Afghan popular forces against the reactionary
Re: [CTRL] Fidel Bushito
-Caveat Lector- It is very instructive to watch the USA public media mind morph into neo-Fascism. For example, watch CNN-Greta go apoplectic at Castro's obvious, truthful comment on the re-emergence of assassination as a USA foreign policy tool. "The good thing about Bush is that he makes the computers run on time. No public hanky panky. Just straight-forward American arms in space." As far as I can tell, the USA never has really achieved collective Fascist-mind. Maybe now with CIA dream warfare on everynight, preparing for a news arms race, we can have a collective first South of the Border. Hey I mean the INSTITUTIONS, from CNN to NYTimes, to 50% of the USA population. Alfred Webre, Vancouver, BC In a message dated 01-01-29 02:43:48 EST, you write: Yes, forget about the Bush legacy and blame it on the commies. Steve On 29 Jan 01, at 1:58, DIG alfred webre wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think Castro - having survived multiple USA Presidents - has in mind the Bushito-body-count as set out below. Alfred Webre A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School Vouchers
-Caveat Lector- I agree. But since we have institutionalized a system where Govt usurps citizens funds to pay for so called public education... a voucher system is an improvement over the failed system now in place. (1.) The system now in place is flawed, but it certainly has not failed. Before public education, literacy was limited to a handful, all rich or in the employ of the church. That was failure. (2.) Stating repeatedly that a voucher system is an improvement over the failed system now in place proves neither that a voucher system is an improvement nor that the system now in place has failed. It does not prove, but does strongly suggest, that you cant prove either of these things. If you could prove them, you would most likely do so and not repeat yourself. Thats not how debate works. Thats how six year olds fight. Education is not a "right." Every parent has a duty to educate his/her offspring. Govt should not steal people's money to force them to pay for other's parental responsibilities. Thats where youre wrong. Every human being is born with the moral responsibility to care for, nurture, protect and educate every other human being who needs it. When you withhold what it is your moral duty to give, it is you who are stealing from the rest of us. How the hell would you have any idea about my background. Making such an assumption proves you are a shallow thinker. Im a sociologist, an anthropologist, a psychologist, and old. Ive been around a long time. Ive met a LOT of people. Im a GOOD judge of character. In my expert opinion, you dont talk like a poor person or like somebody you cares about others, especially about poor people. Youre either a selfish, self centered, greedy, irresponsible jerk or else youre a world class fraud. Which is it? Selfeshness is a human survival trait that has evolved over millions of years of evolution. Thats where youre wrong again. If you want people to even suspect, let alone believe, that you are conversant with the evolution of, or anything else about, selfishness, I strongly suggest that you first learn to spell the damn word. Id rebut your point further myself, but Kropotkin does a better job of it. Read him: http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/kropotki/sp001503/ It is no more a "disease" then anger, lust, hunger or sadness. Youre talking apples and oranges here. Anger, lust, hunger or sadness are emotions. Selfishness is behavior. Now you are starting to "get it." I agree that is is "intolerable" to "take" your money "by threat of force" whether it is given to religious schools or Govt Schools. Wrong again. It is our moral duty to educate all. Its also the smart thing to do, in that it benefits everyone. What is intolerable is that money be taken from me by force and used to promote a religion not my own. This is something upon which people of all religions can agree. It is gross elitism to equate low income with dysfunctionality. I didnt say it was. Dont put words into my mouth. Its rude. Its dishonest. Poverty doesnt make you more likely to be dysfunctional. It does, however, make it more difficult for you to educate your kids properly. For one thing, it makes it more likely that you yourself are uneducated. For another thing, home education tools cost money. If youre having trouble making the rent, you certainly dont have the money for an encyclopedia, a computer, or tutors. I never suggested we turn to "corporate schools" to fix anything. Are you suggesting that there are private schools which are not incorporated? List ten. Give their addresses. Anyone who does not realize that our current Govt School System is a creature of the Corporate State is either naive, ignorant or deluded. It is in part a creature of the Corporate State and in part it is a product of the publics just and cogent demand for education for all. Which ones? Be specific or we may justifiably assume that you are making it up. I am not going to reinvent the wheel. Thats an extremely lame excuse for not doing your homework. These are basic facts well known to anyone who does even a cursory review. Perhaps. Perhaps not. Either way, your refusal to cite sources discredits both your contention and your scholarship. Anywhere, but especially on the internet, the lack of citation makes anything that anybody says suspect. Try and understand this. If there is a finite amount of public funds available for public schools and a substantial proportion of kids leave Govt Schools to attend private schools at less per pupil cost.then there is more money available for those who remain in Govt Schools. Wrong. Try to understand this: The amount of funds made available to any individual public school is determined on the basis of how many kids are enrolled there. They fewer kids that go to an individual school, the less money it is allocated to that individual school. All schools are
Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to hu rt Women
-Caveat Lector- "Violence against anyone" is a false statement. Violence is the only way to handle some people, hence self-defense. Keep it simple, stupid. You're right. I was being overly complex. Sorry. I'll try better next time. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right tohurt Women
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Violence against anyone is bad. If he stalks you or breaks into your house - shot'em in the balls. Make up your mind. Self Defense is THE basic human right. Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good. Self defense against those who commit violence IS violence. Ergo, if the statement "Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good" is true, then the statement "Violence against anyone is bad" is false because "those who commit violence" is a subset of "anyone." Logic 101 Jesus H Christ Nessie! You sound like you're ready for Talmudic Academy. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THIS fan thinks I oughta be a rabbi
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Nurev Ind Research Sent: Mon 1/29/2001 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to"hurt" Women -Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Violence against anyone is bad. If he stalks you or breaks into your house - shot'em in the balls. Make up your mind. Self Defense is THE basic human right. Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good. Self defense against those who commit violence IS violence. Ergo, if the statement "Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good" is true, then the statement "Violence against anyone is bad" is false because "those who commit violence" is a subset of "anyone." Logic 101 Jesus H Christ Nessie! You sound like you're ready for Talmudic Academy. J2 A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School Vouchers
-Caveat Lector- Nessie Before public education, literacy was limited to a handful, all rich or in the employ of the church. That was failure. MJ Bullshit. Kindly PROVE your assertion. Regard$, --MJ By preventing a free market in education, a handful of social engineers ... has ensured that most of our children will not have an education, even though they may be thoroughly schooled. -- John Taylor Gatto _Dumbing Us Down_ 1992 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THIS fan thinks I oughta be a rabbi
-Caveat Lector- Hummm - a rabbi biker! I like it! There oughta be a movie in there somewhere! Kelly Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Nurev Ind Research Sent: Mon 1/29/2001 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to"hurt" Women -Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Violence against anyone is bad. If he stalks you or breaks into your house - shot'em in the balls. Make up your mind. Self Defense is THE basic human right. Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good. Self defense against those who commit violence IS violence. Ergo, if the statement "Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good" is true, then the statement "Violence against anyone is bad" is false because "those who commit violence" is a subset of "anyone." Logic 101 Jesus H Christ Nessie! You sound like you're ready for Talmudic Academy. J2 A HREF=ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ===CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] School Vouchers
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nessie Before public education, literacy was limited to a handful, all rich or in the employ of the church. That was failure. Some of you may enjoy reading the following book: http://www.centuryone.com/1849-3.html HOW THE IRISH SAVED CIVILIZATION : The Untold Story of Ireland's Heroic Role (Hinges of History Series Volume 1) Thomas Cahill (cover price $12.95) CenturyOne Price $10.36 Savings of $2.59 (20%) Item #1849-3 The untold story of Ireland's role in maintaining Western culture while the Dark Ages settled on Europe. Every year millions of Americans celebrate St. Patrick's Day, but they may not be aware of how great an influence St. Patrick was on the subsequent history of civilization. Not only did he bring Christianity to Ireland, he instilled a sense of literacy and learning that would create the conditions that allowed Ireland to become "the isle of saints and scholars" and thus preserve Western culture while Europe was being overrun by barbarians. In this entertaining and compelling narrative, Thomas Cahill tells the story of how Europe evolved front the classical age of Rome to the medieval era. Without Ireland, the transition could not have taken place. Not only did Irish monks and scribes maintain the very record of Western civilization copying manuscripts of Greek and Latin writers, both pagan and Christian, while libraries and learning on the continent were forever lost they brought their uniquely Irish world-view to the task. As Cahill delightfully illustrates, so much of the liveliness we associate with medieval culture has its roots in Ireland. When the seeds of culture were replanted on the European continent, it was from Ireland that they were germinated. In the tradition of Barbara Tuchmail's A Distant Mirror, How The Irish Saved Civilization reconstructs an era that few know about but which is central to understanding our past and our cultural heritage. But it conveys its knowledge with a winking wit that aptly captures the sensibility of the unsung Irish who relaunched civilization. Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THIS fan thinks I oughta be a rabbi
-Caveat Lector- Sorry, I hit the wrong button. I should have hit the Paste button first. It was supposed to say: But I think I sound much more like a Jesuit. At least that's what people tell me. A rabbi can wear you down with his logic as well as Jesuit, but when a Jesuit sees that it is going to take a long time, he cuts to the chase. To a rabbi, the logic itself is a thing of beauty, a gift from G-d, and worth the time it takes just for that reason alone. A Jesuit, on the other hand, wants to convince you of the error of your ways and move on to the next guy. They keep score differently. The rabbi counts how many points he scored in the debate. The Jesuit counts how many people he convinced. It's a whole different system. People mistake one for the other because both are so methodical. But their goals differ, and goals define behavior far more than does style. I had an English prof once who was an ex Jesuit. He taught me a lot about language. It's no more about structure and meaning than a house is about bricks and mortar. If you can understand that, he said, and youre willing to study and practice, you might just learn how to talk. The other thing to know is that it's not plagiarism if you steal from more than three places. Everyone steals. They have to. Almost everything has already been thought of and said. A new idea comes along once or twice in a century. Most are never passed on. So make use of what you can learn from others, he said, from me especially, because I'm really good at it; I learned how from the best. Besides, he pointed out the first day, we'd already paid him and money doesn't grow on trees. My old prof had very good reasons for quitting the order (besides wanting a family), upon which he expounded quite frequently. There are some serious flaws in Jesuit logic, he taught us, but there is no point whatsoever in trying to explain it to them in any language but their own. This, as he impressed upon us frequently, is far, far easier said than done. On the other hand, it's worth knowing how to do because once you've climbed a couple of mountains, even the steepest hill fails to intimidate you. If you can't think, you can't talk. If you can't talk, you can't be understood, even by yourself. I can talk a blue streak. I understand myself perfectly. What I don't understand is why some people fail to also understand me. I'm clear. I'm logical. I tell only the truth. Yet some people hear me say one thing and other people hear me say something different. What's the problem? Are they stupid, or am I doing something wrong? I dont want to sound like a rabbi or a Jesuit. Im trying to be as plain spoken as possible, so as to reach the broadest audience. Maybe I need to dumb it down more. What do yall think? I'm open to suggestions. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JOHN ASHCROFT: DRUG WAR ULTRA-HAWK, CONFEDERACY NOSTALGIST AND CORPORATE SHILL
http://shadow.autono.net/sin001/ashcroft.htm JOHN ASHCROFT: DRUG WAR ULTRA-HAWK, CONFEDERACY NOSTALGIST AND CORPORATE SHILL ACTIVISTS CAMPAIGN AGAINST BUSH AG APPOINTEE by Bill WeinbergA coalition of civil liberties and drug-policy reform groups pledges to put up a fight against the confirmation of ex-Sen. John Ashcroft (R-MO), President-elect George W. Bush's nomination for Attorney General. The Drug Reform Coordination Network (DRCNet) calls Ashcroft "one of the most hawkish drug warriors, supporting some of the most extreme drug war legislation during his tenure in the Senate. "Capitol Hill crusader for tougher mandatory-minimum sentencing laws, Ashcroft also blocked efforts to end the disparity between crack and powder cocaine penalties, and to address racial profiling. DRCNet calls for activists to visit the new coalition's web site ( http://www.StopJohnAshcroft.org) to find out how to plug into the effort against Ashcroft's confirmation as head of the nation's Justice Department. Capitol Hill's Top Drug War Hawk Where drug policy and Constitutional rights are concerned, John Ashcroft "has one of the worst records on Capitol Hill," according to DRCNet. Sen. Ashcroft was a key sponsor of 1999's narrowly-defeated Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act, which would have outlawed drug-related discussions on the Internet, and allowed police to conduct secret searches--provisions which DRCNet says "violate the spirit of the First and Fourth Amendments." Indeed, Ashcroft is a leading right-wing proponent of tinkering with the US Constitution. In his six years in the Senate, Ashcroft proposed seven Constitutional amendments-including one banning desecration of the flag (creating an unprecedented First Amendment exception), and another making it easier to push through such Constitutional changes. DRCNet also charges Ashcroft with blocking Senate efforts to address the issue of racial profiling in police stops. "While outwardly professing support for a bill to study racial profiling, Sen. Ashcroft in reality used his chairmanship of the Subcommittee on the Constitution to bottle it up...the bill never made it to the Senate floor." In a related issue of institutionalized Drug War racism, Sen. Ashcroft blocked legislation sponsored by several black lawmakers--and recommended by the US Sentencing Commission--to reduce crack cocaine sentences to the same level as powder cocaines. Instead, Sen. Ashcroft supported a bill to address the disparity by raising powder cocaine sentences! Sen. Ashcroft also objected strenuously to spending money on drug treatment rather than interdiction, claiming treatment "enables" drug users and that only enforcement is effective. But his nephew got a suspended sentence! Meanwhile, journalist Daniel Forbes reports in the Internet magazine Salon ( http://www.salon.com) that Ashcroft's own nephew got probation after a major pot bust--unusually lenient treatment for a bust of that size. "Although his arrest for growing 60 plants could have landed him in federal prison, "Forbes writes, "Alex Ashcroft was tried in state court and avoided jail--despite his uncle's crusade for tougher federal drug laws and mandatory prison sentences ." John Ashcroft was Missouri governor when Alex Ashcroft, then 25, and his brother Adam, 19, were busted in a January 1992 police raid on their home--which turned up a basement grow-room with lighting, irrigation and security systems. A housemate, Kevin Sheely, then 24, was also arrested. Although growing more than 50 plants usually triggers federal prosecution and two years in prison--thanks to the mandatory-minimum laws John Ashcroft fought to toughen--Alex was only prosecuted on a state charge. He received probation and 100 hours of community service in lieu of a three-year suspended sentence. Adam, who didn't live in the house, was not prosecuted. Dan Viets, lawyer for Sheely (who was not convicted) told Salon that Alex even tested positive for drugs in his first post-probation drug test--yet still remained free. Reached for comment, Alex's father Bob Ashcroft first denied that his son had failed a urine test, then said, "Anything's possible." Alex's mom, Beverly Ashcroft, told Forbes, "I have no idea. That's such an upsetting time, it's all a little foggy." But she insisted, "I think the facts are clear that his uncle as governor certainly did not bail Alex out. "Writes Forbes: "There's no evidence Ashcroft intervened on behalf of his nephew, but Alex Ashcroft's connection to the governor was widely known. The arrest made national newspapers, from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution to USA Today, as well as the local dailies. "Mindy Tucker, a spokeswoman for the Bush transition team, told Forbes: "Given Sen. Ashcroft's reputation for zero tolerance, I'm sure if he had anything to do with it, the penalty would be much worse. He would have influenced it [the sentence] in the opposite direction." She declined further comment. But others convicted of similar
[CTRL] Top Cheney Team Member Represented Rich for 8 yrs.
http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-01-29/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-97766.a sp Top Cheney Team Member Represented Rich for 8 yrs. Vice President Cheney's own chief of staff argued vehemently for clemency on behalf of fugitive financier Marc Rich for many years, according to The New Yorker magazine. Lewis Libby, before joining the Bush White House to work for Cheney, spent eight years as one of Rich's "most aggressive lawyers" and argued his case before Manhattan U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White as recently as December 1999, according to the magazine. "This might help to explain the contented silence from the Bush White House on the subject of Bill Clinton's pardon of ... Rich," the magazine says. Mary Matalin, Cheney's communications director, said when asked about Libby's role in seeking a Rich pardon: "He was part of the team that represented Rich, but I don't think he wants to talk about the particulars of the case. We're moving forward, not looking back." Original Publication Date: 1/29/01
Re: [CTRL] School Vouchers
-Caveat Lector- Some of you may enjoy reading the following book: http://www.centuryone.com/1849-3.html See also any encyclopedia, Wells, Gibbon, Knox, Perry, Durant, etc. It's not hard to find. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The backdoor to egroups
-Caveat Lector- If you want e-groups the way it used to be, Try this site: http://au.egroups.com/mygroups It's the same good old systems of eGroups. You won't be disappointed. You'll have the same e-groups id and password, and all your groups will be listed. International e-groups sites: Australia http://au.egroups.com/mygroups Canada http://www.egroups.ca/ UK http://www.egroups.co.uk/ China http://cn.egroups.com/ HK http://www.egroups.com.hk/ India http://in.egroups.com/ Japan: http://www.egroups.co.jp/ Korea http://kr.egroups.com/ Taiwan http://tw.egroups.com/ Francehttp://www.egroups.fr/ Germany http://www.egroups.de/ Italy http://it.egroups.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] inri Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???
-Caveat Lector- inri, Very briefly, let me see if I can better explain what I tried to say in this post. The problem you describe is a compound problem not a complex one. Compound is large made up of many simple. Complex is a problem in which the solution to one aspect creates another problem of equal or greater proportion. The school issue in this country is very complex. My post was meant to be one person's experience. Combine many of those and you will have many pieces of a bigger picture. My experience would not be like that of others as there is no uniformity of education. It varies from state to state and even school district to district. There are a few over-riding basics, however, making transfer from system to system possible, etc.I do NOT want you to believe anything specific but to gather information which you seem to be doing and THEN decide, not before. You are correct. My statement that ALL the major cities have black mayors and chiefs of police is a vast over-generalization. I tend to do that if the detail involved is irrelevant to the point I am trying to make which is that blacks have about as much self-determination as others. The mayors of Atlanta, Birmingham, Jackson are usually black. But my point was also, why are non-blacks leaving the cities for the suburbs and even beyond? That is how the black mayors always come to be elected--the non-blacks have moved beyond the voting districts. Why is that? Also, I should have used non-black in reference to other students as there were a large number of Asians (Indian and Oriental) also present. Now I wonder why parents to not mind their kids attending with Asians if they are just racists? I cannot remember in 16 years of having a child in school a disciplinary incident involving violence and an Asian student. Don't know what that means exactly but that is what happened. Caucasians would have been second after Blacks, interestingly enough. Also, as to the poverty issue, go to the US 2000 census website and check out incomes. Black families that stay together now have 87% of the income that whites do on average. That is fairly close and a 12% difference should not account for vast feelings of entitlement, abuse, etc. So what I was getting at is that if a certain group encounters massive avoidance or the desire to do so from all other ethnic groups, they might want to do a little self-examination and see if they are contributing to this reaction. The social engineering is at play here to constantly divide and upset and if possible, frighten. It worked in the 60's so it seems they will give it a try again. I attended half my lower education in segregation and half integrated schools. We did NOT have these problems but that long ago when people were far more civil. The level of anger and frustration is kept at an all time high now and the old worn out race card is being played yet again. All of my life, I have tried to respect and help blacks in every way because of the social injustices I felt they had endured. I have awakened to find half the basketball team (the black ones) sleeping all over my house many Sat. mornings, allowed my home to be used as an extended locker room during tournaments, bought sports shoes for sports my kids did not even play, etc. as best I was able and have gone out of my way to be kind and certainly fair to black people. However, because I am blonde/blue and born in the deep South, I am now termed a racist no matter what I may have done. This is the latest trend a la Ashcroft, et al.The facts do not matter as a witch hunt is afoot. Blacks are being baited by Jesse and Sharpton, et al into believing they are being mistreated and as a result, any real injustices are exaggerated, etc. for these hucksters to make money and the got has a nice problem to solve for us sheople. Create the problem then fix it. As for a white supremacist household, well, if I could pull that off being the only white with three Hispanic males, one Hispanic female and now a Vietnamese fiancée, I would indeed BE superior but alas, I remain only as domestic slave. :) Oh, well, such is life. Amelia - Original Message - From: "inri" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers??? -Caveat Lector- Er, inri, my children are Hispanic. assuming you are a real person and not a name created by the government [you don't think they don't moniter these places and post their bullshit here do you?] i seem to have made an unfair assumption. however, hispanics can still be racists... and i do not apologize for slandering you as such. They do not utter racial slurs nor do I nor does any member of my family. i just can't argue this. The blacks where I live often make more money than the whites. There are about five counties in my state with a Black MAJORITY
[CTRL] Bush Executive Order-So Much For Church/State Seperation
WH: Agency Responsibilities with Respect to OFBCI U.S. Newswire 29 Jan 14:37 White House Executive Order: Agency Responsibilities With Respect To Faith-Based And Community Initiatives To: National Desk Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2580 WASHINGTON, Jan. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the White House: EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AGENCY RESPONSIBILITIES WITH RESPECT TO FAITH-BASED AND COMMUNITY INITIATIVES By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to help the Federal Government coordinate a national effort to expand opportunities for faith-based and other community organizations and to strengthen their capacity to better meet social needs in America's communities, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Establishment of Executive Department Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. (a) The Attorney General, the Secretary of Education, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development shall each establish within their respective departments a Center for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (Center). (b) Each executive department Center shall be supervised by a Director, appointed by the department head in consultation with the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI). (c) Each department shall provide its Center with appropriate staff, administrative support, and other resources to meet its responsibilities under this order. (d) Each department's Center shall begin operations no later than 45 days from the date of this order. Sec. 2. Purpose of Executive Department Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. The purpose of the executive department Centers will be to coordinate department efforts to eliminate regulatory, contracting, and other programmatic obstacles to the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in the provision of social services. Sec. 3. Responsibilities of Executive Department Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. Each Center shall, to the extent permitted by law: (a) conduct, in coordination with the White House OFBCI, a department-wide audit to identify all existing barriers to the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in the delivery of social services by the department, including but not limited to regulations, rules, orders, procurement, and other internal policies and practices, and outreach activities that either facially discriminate against or otherwise discourage or disadvantage the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in Federal programs; (b) coordinate a comprehensive departmental effort to incorporate faith-based and other community organizations in department programs and initiatives to the greatest extent possible; (c) propose initiatives to remove barriers identified pursuant to section 3(a) of this order, including but not limited to reform of regulations, procurement, and other internal policies and practices, and outreach activities; (d) propose the development of innovative pilot and demonstration programs to increase the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in Federal as well as State and local initiatives; and (e) develop and coordinate department outreach efforts to disseminate information more effectively to faith-based and other community organizations with respect to programming changes, contracting opportunities, and other department initiatives, including but not limited to Web and Internet resources. Sec. 4. Additional Responsibilities of the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Labor Centers. In addition to those responsibilities described in section 3 of this order, the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Labor Centers shall, to the extent permitted by law: (a) conduct a comprehensive review of policies and practices affecting existing funding streams governed by so-called "Charitable Choice" legislation to assess the department's compliance with the requirements of Charitable Choice; and (b) promote and ensure compliance with existing Charitable Choice legislation by the department, as well as its partners in State and local government, and their contractors. Sec. 5. Reporting Requirements. (a) Report. Not later than 180 days after the date of this order and annually thereafter, each of the five executive department Centers described in section 1 of this order shall prepare and submit a report to the White House OFBCI. (b) Contents. The report shall include a description of the department's efforts in carrying out its responsibilities under this order, including but not limited to: (1) a
Re: [CTRL] THIS fan thinks I oughta be a rabbi
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: But I think I sound much more like a Jesuit. Indeed, you do. Some people talk about being 'trained' by Jesuits rather than being 'educated' by them - I don't mean that in a negative way, but as you point out it is a very logical way of thinking. snip If you can't think, you can't talk. If you can't talk, you can't be understood, even by yourself. I can talk a blue streak. I understand myself perfectly. What I don't understand is why some people fail to also understand me. I'm clear. I'm logical. I tell only the truth. Yet some people hear me say one thing and other people hear me say something different. What's the problem? Are they stupid, or am I doing something wrong? No, I don't think you are doing anything wrong. I believe you have one more step to go - and that is to become an artist. To me, an artist is someone who excels in any field - they learn the 'trade' and the rules of the game, and then take them to new heights and create art. I believe a wood cabinet maker, an athlete, a chef, a mathematican - anyone can take their profession or love into the realm of art. You, nessie, like to work with words and ideas - that doesn't necessarily make you a writer let alone an artist but you certainly seem to be on that path. I dont want to sound like a rabbi or a Jesuit. Im trying to be as plain spoken as possible, so as to reach the broadest audience. Maybe I need to dumb it down more. What do yall think? I'm open to suggestions. I think you would be incapable of dumbing down what you write about, and I do think you have found your own voice. Sometimes it is grating, sometimes condescending, sometimes irritating - but when I have the time, I read what you have to say and think about your point of view. That might not be saying much to you, but there aren't a lot of people on the internet whom impress me with their communications abilities. Your personlity comes through loud and clear - and so do your ideas. So, keep it up! I think I see a budding artist. Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sen Shelby Introduces Legislation to Repeal Social Security Tax
-Caveat Lector-
{{Last night I ran across a cheesy movie starring Sen. Fred
Thompson as a white supremacist and thought "Oh, no! I hope
Ted Kennedy does not see this after a few drinks as he will
haul Fred before a senate hearing." LOL! Anyway, the
following is being proposed by my senater and sounds like a
good idea. BTW, it is not Soc. Sec. taxes but the tax on
benefits paid to the elderly ,AKE}}
Sen Shelby Introduces Legislation to Repeal Social Security
Tax
By Sierra Times - Posted: 01.29.00
WASHINGTON, DC ---Senator Richard C. Shelby, on Thursday,
introduced legislation to repeal the tax on Social Security
benefits.
Senator Shelby's legislation would completely eliminate the
tax on Social Security benefits over a period of five years.
The bill will immediately repeal Social Security tax
provisions imposed in 1993 by President Clinton, and will
phase down remaining taxes until the tax is completely
terminated for tax year 2005.
"This legislation is long-overdue," said Senator Shelby.
"This tax on Social Security benefits is misguided and only
acts to penalize hard working and productive members of
society. As workers, these senior citizens are taxed when
they earn their money, they are taxed when the government
returns it in the form of Social Security benefits, and if
they are smart enough to save it to give to their children
or grandchildren, they will have to pay estate taxes before
anyone sees a penny."
"Many seniors need to work in order to pay for costly health
insurance premiums, prescription drugs, and other expenses
that they incur as they grow older," continued Shelby. "For
these seniors, working is not a choice, it is a necessity.
If we eliminate the tax on Social Security benefits, most
seniors would have more disposable income to pay for many of
these necessities. But rather than helping them, we hurt
them by taxing their Social Security benefits, lowering
their standard of living and decreasing the amount of
disposable income they have available to them."
J.J. Johnson
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[CTRL] colin powell: don't ask about my lai, don't tell about iran-contra
http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id803/pg1/ colin powell: don't ask about my lai, don't tell about iran-contra by Russ Kick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - January 28, 2001 As expected, Colin Powell breezed through his confirmation hearing and is now the Secretary of State. (I always have to catch myself, because I want to refer to him as Secretary of Defense, which would make more sense. Just why a four-star general "war hero" would be made the head of foreign affairs rather than defense matters isn't clear. You'd think Powell would be more comfortable with Scud missiles than Bolivian table etiquette.) Powell's approval rating with the public is sky-high, and his appointment was never in doubt for even a nanosecond. He has charisma and a calm, nonthreatening air of confidence. He's considered a war hero for his command of US troops during the Gulf War. And, yes, he's an African American born of Jamaican immigrants, which allows the Bush Administration to seem racially enlightened while the public pats itself on the back for having a black man in a position of power. Challenging him would've been political suicide. Yet behind this warm, cuddly, self-assured image is a mountain of dirt that the mainstream media refused to mention as they tripped over themselves to kiss Powell's brass. The problems with Powell are numerous and could probably fill a book-length expose. In the interest of time, here's a boiled-down look at the skeletons in Powell's foot locker. The My Lai massacre. On March 16, 1968, US soldiers from the Americal Division slaughtered 347 civilians--primarily old men, women, children, and babies--in the Vietnamese village of My Lai 4 (pronounced, very appropriately, as "me lie"). The grunts also engaged in torture and rape of the villagers. Around six months later, a soldier in the 11th Light Infantry Brigade--known among the men as "the Butcher's Brigade"--wrote a letter telling of widespread killing and torturing of Vietnamese civilians by entire units of the US military (he did not specifically refer to My Lai). The letter was sent to the general in charge of 'Nam and trickled down the chain of command to Major Colin Powell, a deputy assistant chief of staff at the Americal Division, who was charged with investigating the matter and formulating a response. After a desultory check--which consisted mainly of investigating the soldier who wrote the letter, rather than his allegations--Powell reported that everything was hunkey-dory. There may be some "isolated incidents" by individual bad seeds, but there were no widespread atrocities. He wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." The matter was closed. To this day, we might not know about the carnage at My Lai if it hadn't been for another solider who later wisely sent a letter to his Congressman. (Twenty-five years later Powell gave an interview in which he not only failed to condemn the massacre but seemed to excuse it.) Killing Civilians. Powell still has no compunction about killing civilians during war. The lefty media watchdog FAIR points out that in his 1995 autobiography, My American Journey: An Autobiography (New York: Random House, 1995), Powell wrote: "If a helo [helicopter] spotted a peasant in black pajamas who looked remotely suspicious, a possible MAM [military-aged male], the pilot would circle and fire in front of him. If he moved, his movement was judged evidence of hostile intent, and the next burst was not in front, but at him. Brutal? Maybe so. But an able battalion commander with whom I had served at Gelnhausen, Lt. Col. Walter Pritchard, was killed by enemy sniper fire while observing MAMs from a helicopter. And Pritchard was only one of many. The kill-or-be-killed nature of combat tends to dull fine perceptions of right and wrong." In his memoirs, Powell also defends the torching of civilians' huts, a tactic his unit constantly employed in Vietnam. Iran-Contra. While Powell was deputy security adviser to Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, he learned of the illegal deal to supply arms to Iran in return for cash and the release of American hostages in Lebanon. He told Weinberger and, though they supposedly didn't like it, they went along with the deal. In violation of Pentagon procedure, Powell secretly transferred missiles from the Army to the CIA. When questioned during the Iran-Contra hearings, Powell grudgingly gave testimony that has been described as contradictory, "limited," and "misleading." At one point in a sworn deposition he said that Weinberger did not keep a diary, but in a sworn affidavit five years later Powell said that his boss had indeed kept a diary at the time. Powell later convinced Bush to pardon Weinberger, thus avoiding a trial that probably would've implicated the general. On a related note, Powell was and is an unabashed supporter of the Nicaraguan contras. As FAIR
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- On 29 Jan 01, at 12:41, Aleisha Saba wrote: Now as for that little 5 year old Liz Taylor running through the green green grass of home well, that movie she was at least 12 years old.and she still had this pig nose that was worked on by plastic surgeons, her eyes are NOT violet, and her skin back in 1970 had big pores and her face looked like end of long life at tank of whiskey... Then she was a midget, because she was only about 3 feet talland she was exquisite. I won't argue any more and I won't reply. Your take is just plain ol mean and plain ol nasty. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Capitalizations (was: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???)
-Caveat Lector- On 29 Jan 01, at 14:42, flw wrote: Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from getting published... June Not like you atall, June. It's e.e.cummings and A.A. Milne. Cummings is the poet. Milne wrote Winnie the Pooh sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tonight on History Channel: The Crop Circle Controversy
-Caveat Lector- On 29 Jan 01, at 13:43, Carl Amedio wrote: Usually they trot out a couple of elderly guys or some college students who say they made all the crop circles. They must have one heck of a travel allotment. As the y appear all over the world. IMHO, they are made with masers or lasers from satellites, using templates that someone or other drew. Although to just what purpose, I have no idea. Perhaps to keep the uFO controversy going. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Making a Point Regarding Disclaimers
-Caveat Lector- Who is this "we" Nessie? But good that you think this for over the 'net one can never really tell. Always best to be on one's best behavior just in case. I could be very different in real life. I could be male and live right across the way from you, watching you take out your trash last evening. One just cannot be too careful. So take your pick~~The Bureau,The Company or The Agency. I am sure they all would find the ramblings and incoherency on this list absolutely fascinating and they have nothing better to do than hang on your every word. Amelia Original Message - From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Making a Point Regarding Disclaimers -Caveat Lector- The people at this agency are delighted And what agency might that be? You know nothing about me nor my qualifications Nor which agency you work for. But we can guess. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How the Democrats made loving Dixie a hate crime
-Caveat Lector-
{{Well, as long as it keeps Jesse and the other Limousine
Liberals in cash, it is a good scam. I can't help but
wonder where the outrage at the war crimes
committed against the civilian population of the South is,
however. By today's standards, the starvation and
destruction of homes, etc.would equal war crimes of mass
proportion. The stated object was to "break the spirit" of
the civilian population by whatever means necessary. But
this was a "good" thing to do? These people did not strive
to overthrow the government and just wanted out of a Union
they saw as corrupt. Why are statues of war criminals like
Sherman left all over the country as a tribute to the
horrific treatment of unarmed civilian populations comprised
largely of women, children and the elderly and the ill
because the male populations was engaged elsewhere in
battle? Our cemeteries tell a tragic tale of more deaths
among the civilian population than the army but nobody
cares. And if they said they were fighting for States
Rights, how can others determine better that for which they
fought? So Confederate flags must go but statues of murders
of civilians are grand. Just revise history to fit the
current need and everybody adjust accordingly. Ah, to the
victor and all of this I
guess. AKE}}
How the Democrats made loving Dixie a
hate
crime
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~~for educational purposes only~~
[Title 17 U.S.C. section 107]
How the Democrats made loving Dixie a hate crime
Robert Stacy McCain
When he was the governor of Arkansas only two
decades
ago, Bill Clinton routinely issued proclamations,
with
the usual rhetorical flourishes, commemorating the
birthdays of Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis.
So did the governors of other states once part of
the
Confederacy, and tributes to Southern valor and
courage
in the service of "the Lost Cause" were no more
controversial than proclamations of Mother's Day,
Thanksgiving and the Fourth of July.
But such tributes to Confederate heritage held in
reverence by millions of Southerners and other
Americans are now political dynamite. Two of
President-elect George W. Bush's Cabinet nominees
are under attack this week, not only for their
stance
on policy issues, but for sympathetic remarks toward
the Confederacy.
In recent years, opponents have made a political
issue
of the Confederate battle flag. The familiar St.
Andrew's
Cross in red, white and blue was for decades an
artifact
of amiable tourist kitsch, displayed on shelves
beside
pecan rolls, corncob pipes and plastic alligators in
gift shops and restaurants along highways to
Florida,
the Mississippi coast and other Dixie resorts.
Long-haired motorcyclists displayed the Confederate
colors to proclaim their rebellion against "square"
society. In the 1970s, Southern rock group Lynyrd
Skynyrd toured the nation, taking the stage lavished
with an enormous Confederate battle flag backdrop,
while
TV's "Dukes of Hazzard" showcased Bo and Luke Duke
as
they raced down country roads in their souped-up
Dodge
Charger, nicknamed "General Lee," with the flag
emblazoned on its roof.
"Back as late as 1986, nobody complained about
Confederate
symbols at all," recalls P. Charles Lunsford,
president
of the Heritage Preservation Association, an Atlanta
group that defends Confederate history.
So how and why has it become a hate crime to whistle
"Dixie"?
"I think it represents a hole in our education,"
says
Walter E. Williams, chairman of the economics
department
at Virginia's George Mason University and a
nationally
syndicated columnist who writes frequently on race
and
politics. He blames "political opportunism" for the
crusade against Confederate remembrance.
"People are associating the War Between the States
as
solely motivated by slavery," says Mr. Williams, a
black
scholar who argues that the 1861-1865 conflict "was
more of a states' rights issue than a slavery
issue."
Thomas J. DiLorenzo, an economics professor at
Loyola
University in Baltimore who has written extensively
on
Civil War history, agrees. Left-wing groups
"insinuate
that if someone even mentions the word
'Confederacy,'"
he says, "they're somehow secretly in favor of
slavery.
"It's absolutely crazy. It's an act of desperation
on
the part of the left."
The left is now using the Confederacy as a weapon
against
Mr. Bush's Cabinet nominees.
Opponents of former Sen. John Ashcroft of Missouri,
the
nominee for attorney general whose Senate
confirmation
hearing begins today, criticize his 1998 interview
in
which he praised Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and
Stonewall Jackson as "Southern patriots."
Gale A. Norton, Mr. Bush's nominee for interior
[CTRL] BUSH'S 'FAITH-BASED' SOCIAL SERVICE PLAN VIOLATES CONSTITUTION
http://www.au.org/pr12501.htm BUSH'S 'FAITH-BASED' SOCIAL SERVICE PLAN VIOLATES CONSTITUTION AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, SAYS WATCHDOG GROUP BUSH INITIATIVE IS A 'RADICAL ASSAULT' ON AMERICA'S TRADITION OF CHURCH-STATE SEPARATION, CHARGES AMERICANS UNITED = The White House announced today that President George W. Bush will unveil plans for a major "faith-based" social service initiative next week. Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a national church-state watchdog group and a leading critic of the Bush proposal, described the new initiative as a misguided and dangerous approach to public policy. The scheme will reportedly include a new office in the White House to promote government aid to church-run social services. "People shouldn't have to go to a church they may not believe in to get help from the government," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. "Placing people in need in this kind of position is just plain wrong. This is a radical assault on the American tradition of church-state separation. "The Constitution created a separation between religion and government, not a massive new bureaucracy designed to unite the two," added Lynn, a United Church of Christ minister and an attorney. "The very existence of a federal office whose principal purpose is to give tax dollars to religious groups is in irreparable conflict with the First Amendment." According to materials distributed during the campaign, Bush wants to distribute federal tax dollars to religious groups to provide a plethora of social services now being provided by government agencies or secular groups. These services would include after-school programs for children, job training, drug treatment, prison rehabilitation programs and abstinence programs. Critics say these kinds of faith-based initiatives are burdened with many serious flaws. Among the most serious is a provision that would allow federally funded employment discrimination on religious grounds. A religious group, for example, will be able to receive public tax dollars to pay for a job, but still be free to hang up a sign that says "Jews Need Not Apply." "Just imagine: your money pays for a job that you can't have because of your religious beliefs," Lynn observed. "That's not compassionate conservatism, that's blatant bigotry." Critics also charge that the Bush plan will jeopardize the independence and integrity of church-run social service programs. "What the government funds, it always regulates," said Lynn. "Once churches, temples, mosques and synagogues are being financed by the public, some of their freedom will be placed in jeopardy by the almost certain regulation to follow." Bush's faith-based initiative is part of a broader effort to expand so-called "charitable choice" funding, which originated with former-Sen. John Ashcroft (R-Mo.) during the drafting of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. The concept changed existing law to permit public funding of "pervasively sectarian" groups where religion permeates every aspect of the institution. Faith-based initiatives were a center point of Bush's presidential campaign. As Bush describes it, this program will be part of a broader mobilization effort of what Bush has called his "armies of compassion." Bush has explained that the office, once in place, will remove barriers that prevent additional funding of religious groups, coordinate federal funding from multiple government agencies and encourage states to establish their own offices of faith-based action to facilitate state funds going to religious groups. "In every instance where my administration sees a responsibility to help people, we will look first to faith-based organizations, charities and community groups that have shown their ability to save and change lives," Bush said on July 22, 1999. "There's nothing compassionate about Bush's legally dubious scheme," concluded Lynn. "Contributions to religious groups must come from supporters voluntarily, not be forced by the government. Bush's faith-based initiative is a constitutional nightmare and a disastrous step in the wrong direction." Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization represents 60,000 members and allied houses of worship in all 50 states.
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] JOHN ASHCROFT: DRUG WAR ULTRA-HAWK, CONFEDERACY NOSTALGIST AND CORPORATE SHILL
Dear Bill, Thank you for your post in support of the nomination of Senator John Ashcroft. Your unconditional support and efforts on his behalf are sincerely appreciated. Amelia :) - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 5:40 PM Subject: [CTRL] JOHN ASHCROFT: DRUG WAR ULTRA-HAWK, CONFEDERACY NOSTALGIST AND CORPORATE SHILL http://shadow.autono.net/sin001/ashcroft.htm JOHN ASHCROFT: DRUG WAR ULTRA-HAWK, CONFEDERACY NOSTALGIST AND CORPORATE SHILL ACTIVISTS CAMPAIGN AGAINST BUSH AG APPOINTEE by Bill WeinbergA coalition of civil liberties and drug-policy reform groups pledges to put up a fight against the confirmation of ex-Sen. John Ashcroft (R-MO), President-elect George W. Bush's nomination for Attorney General. The Drug Reform Coordination Network (DRCNet) calls Ashcroft "one of the most hawkish drug warriors, supporting some of the most extreme drug war legislation during his tenure in the Senate. "Capitol Hill crusader for tougher mandatory-minimum sentencing laws, Ashcroft also blocked efforts to end the disparity between crack and powder cocaine penalties, and to address racial profiling. DRCNet calls for activists to visit the new coalition's web site ( http://www.StopJohnAshcroft.org) to find out how to plug into the effort against Ashcroft's confirmation as head of the nation's Justice Department. Capitol Hill's Top Drug War Hawk Where drug policy and Constitutional rights are concerned, John Ashcroft "has one of the worst records on Capitol Hill," according to DRCNet. Sen. Ashcroft was a key sponsor of 1999's narrowly-defeated Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act, which would have outlawed drug-related discussions on the Internet, and allowed police to conduct secret searches--provisions which DRCNet says "violate the spirit of the First and Fourth Amendments." Indeed, Ashcroft is a leading right-wing proponent of tinkering with the US Constitution. In his six years in the Senate, Ashcroft proposed seven Constitutional amendments-including one banning desecration of the flag (creating an unprecedented First Amendment exception),
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: So snoOwl - I saw her over 20 years ago and she looked like a hogs head of wine..only worse. My relative went to school with her in Glendale, and she was a pretty little girl.so what happened? Maybe the fact that she is ~SEVENTY PLUS YEARS OLD, and has lived the "Hollywood scene" [in all of it's screwed up glory] her ENTIRE life has something to do with it. All in all, she has fared better than most in her situation, no? I must say, tho, that I, too, was embarrassed for her on the King show and at the awards...she was sort of like a fat/old version of Farah Faucet in her infamous Letterman appearance:( = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BUSH'S 'FAITH-BASED' SOCIAL SERVICE PLAN VIOLATES CONSTITUTION
-Caveat Lector- Shannon forwards "The Constitution created a separation between religion and government, not a massive new bureaucracy designed to unite the two," added Lynn, a United Church of Christ minister and an attorney. "The very existence of a federal office whose principal purpose is to give tax dollars to religious groups is in irreparable conflict with the First Amendment." MJ Nonsense. The First Amendment prohibits CONGRESS ... hence the FIRST word in the series. That the President has no authority to do this AND that the Constitution provides no branch the authority to take from taxpayers and give 'benevolently' is apparently of no concern since those AGAINST this measure wish to maintain THEIR unconstitutional efforts at plunder. Regard$, --MJ To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. --Thomas Jefferson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] gw: U.N. Says Global Temps May Exceed Past Predictions
-Caveat Lector- U.N. Says Global Temps May Exceed Past Predictions Jan. 24 -- Global warming may be worse than expected and industrial air pollution is largely to blame, says a new United Nations-sponsored study. The world is predicted to warm from 1.5 to 6.5 degrees Celsius in the next century. At the higher end of this range, temperatures could trigger droughts, floods and violent storms. A report from the National Academies' Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, Reconciling Observations of Global Temperature Change http://books.nap.edu/catalog/9755.html , notes that the warming of the Earth's surface is "undoubtedly real," and that surface temperatures in the past two decades have risen at a rate substantially greater than average for the past 100 years. Press Release http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/0309068916?OpenDocument U.N. Announcement http://www.un.org/News/dh/latest/page2.html#16 __ EcoNews Service - Always online for Ecology, Consciousness Universe Exopolitics. EcoNews http://www.ecologynews.com/ Prague http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Vancouver, BC V6M 1V8 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BUSH'S 'FAITH-BASED' SOCIAL SERVICE PLAN VIOLATES CONSTITUTION
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/29/01 7:13:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "In every instance where my administration sees a responsibility to help people, we will look first to faith-based organizations, charities and community groups that have shown their ability to save and change lives," Bush said on July 22, 1999. Notice he doesn't even provide a single disclaimer that all people will somehow be served regardless of their religious or non-religious affiliation. He doesn't even bother to assure people that any other than Christian institutions will be funded. Add vouchers to this proposal and it looks like we will have a publicly funded right wing Christian nation. This is one dangerous mutha. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tonight on History Channel: The Crop Circle Controversy
-Caveat Lector- From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, has anyone else noticed that the cable network, "Travel Network" (i.e., the channel that is usually dominated by vacation travel destination type shows) has been almost EXCLUSIVELY *serious* treatments of shows dealing with UFOs, ghost and haunting locales, and paranormal shows having about ZERO to do with TERRESTRIAL travel for the last few weeks!?!?!? The Travel Channel puts these shows on during the weekend, for the most part...they bill it as "Haunted Destinations", I guess to appeal to people who would like to travel to interesting places... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- From: "Marilyn Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I grew up in a household with a father who was an international showbiz celebrity in the 20's and 30s. Oh, well then Aleisha must have known him personally, since she claims to have known absolutely anyone and everyone of any import who has ever existed, ever... I am now around Elizabeth Taylor's age and, amazingly, I actually look a lot better now than she does. However, I have not accomplished what she has nor given the world as much pleasure as she has. For God's sake, she has been through all sorts of medical stuff for decades, including a recent brain tumor and is surely on debilitating medication. Yes, she has had a lot of physical ailments over the years...back trouble, bouts with pneumonia... Time can be cruel enough to all of us. Give the lady a break. Not Aleisha. It doesn't matter what a woman accomplishes, to Aleisha all that matters is that a woman looks good... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS.......
-Caveat Lector- From: "Marilyn Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] And the damage done to the White House was not more than could be expected when a 400 person staff leaves a facility wherein they have been ensconced for 8 years. Oh, I don't know...breaking expensive executive desks, super-gluing file cabinets shut, leaving porno pictures in photocopiers and laser printers, and spray-painting graffitti on the walls, seems a tad more than what 'could be expected when a 400 person staff leaves a facility...' June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Capitalizations (was: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???)
-Caveat Lector- From: "Marilyn Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why? Lack of capitalization never stopped the poet e.e. milne from getting published... June Not like you atall, June. It's e.e.cummings and A.A. Milne. Cummings is the poet. Milne wrote Winnie the Pooh Whatever. Lit was never my forte' I'll blame it on it being morning when I posted that and not having had my coffee yet to chase the dust bunnies out of my brain... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BUSH'S 'FAITH-BASED' SOCIAL SERVICE PLAN VIOLATES CONSTITUTION
-Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUSH'S 'FAITH-BASED' SOCIAL SERVICE PLAN VIOLATES CONSTITUTION AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, "The Constitution created a separation between religion and government..." Nakano Comments: Arguing that anything "violates the Constitution" is pointless and a waste of time. The cold hard truth is, the Constitution is not in force, it is not the "Law of the Land". Our Constitution was unlawfully suspended in March of 1933 by a traitorous president (FDR) and an equally traitorous Congress. Presidents now rule as dictators via Executive Orders. Clinton did it blatantly. George Bush hasn't wasted any time issuing his first Executive Orders. Under The Constitution, laws are made by Congress, not by the President and not by the courts. But the government is not operating in accordance with the Constitution. It hasn't been since 1933. Every president since FDR has defied the Constitution. On June 17, 1995, The Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Texas adopted by unanimous vote RESOLUTION #5 entitled: "Restoration of the United States Constitution". I quote the very first paragraph of this Resolution: "Whereas, The Republican Party of Texas recognizes that acts of the Congressional body and the Office of the President of the United States of America created an emergency condition, and that on and after March 6, 1933 and March 9, 1933 the same said Public Offices effectively impaired and suspended the Constitution for the United States of America under pretense of these same created emergency conditions, and that the impairments and disabilities yet exist and are in full force and effect throughout the Nation and several States of the Union as of the date of this resolution; and Whereas, there has occurred continuous breach of trust, duty and obligation imposed under authority of the Constitution for the United States of America, resulting in a continued abridgment of the Rights, Privileges, Immunities, and Liberties of Citizens and others, all committed under pretense of a continuing national crisis and furtherance of emergency conditons..." The Resolution concludes by demanding "the rescinding of the state of national emergency declared on March 9, 1933...thereby returning the United States of America to its original peacetime Constitutional Republic." A complete copy of this Resolution is available from: The Republican Party of Texas 211 East 7th St Suite 620 Austin, TX 78701 Someone should ask President Bush if he will terminate this phony "National Emergency". Because until it is terminated, we are living under a dictatorship. Regards to All Nakano __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Executive Order-So Much For Church/State Seperation
-Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WH: Agency Responsibilities with Respect to OFBCI U.S. Newswire 29 Jan 14:37 White House Executive Order: Agency Responsibilities With Respect To Faith-Based And Community Initiatives To: National Desk Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2580 WASHINGTON, Jan. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the White House: EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AGENCY RESPONSIBILITIES WITH RESPECT TO FAITH-BASED AND COMMUNITY INITIATIVES _ Nakano Comments: Please notice the term "EXECUTIVE ORDER" is clearly and conspicuously used in this official release by the White House Press Office. Nowhere does the Constitution give the president the authority to rule by decree. The lawmaking power is reserved only to Congress. It's simple. Either the government is operating under the authority of, and in accordance with, The Constitution or it is not. Clearly it is not. With a little thought, one could make a very long list of examples in which the government is not operating constitutionally. The very first item on this list would be the Federal Reserve. Can anyone think of some more things which should be on this list? Regards to All Nakano __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Executive Order-So Much For Church/State Seperation
-Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WH: Agency Responsibilities with Respect to OFBCI U.S. Newswire 29 Jan 14:37 White House Executive Order: Agency Responsibilities With Respect To Faith-Based And Community Initiatives To: National Desk Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2580 WASHINGTON, Jan. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the White House: EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AGENCY RESPONSIBILITIES WITH RESPECT TO FAITH-BASED AND COMMUNITY INITIATIVES _ Nakano Comments: Please notice the term "EXECUTIVE ORDER" is clearly and conspicuously used in this official release by the White House Press Office. Nowhere does the Constitution give the president the authority to rule by decree. The lawmaking power is reserved only to Congress. It's simple. Either the government is operating under the authority of, and in accordance with, The Constitution or it is not. Clearly it is not. With a little thought, one could make a very long list of examples in which the government is not operating constitutionally. The very first item on this list would be the Federal Reserve. Can anyone think of some more things which should be on this list? Regards to All Nakano __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now as for that little 5 year old Liz Taylor running through the green green grass of home well, that movie she was at least 12 years old.and she still had this pig nose that was worked on by plastic surgeons, her eyes are NOT violet, Strange then that people who saw her in the hospital when she almost died of pneumonia commented on how beautiful she was, even without makeup and being ill...and everyone commented on how VIOLET her eyes were... And for all her 'pig nose', Elizabeth Taylor at one time was considered one of the world's most beautiful women... And you weren't. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Inside: Super-Clintonista Sidney Blumenthal Sells His 'Insider's Account'
-Caveat Lector- http://www.inside.com/jcs/Story?article_id=22175pod_id=8 Super-Clintonista Sidney Blumenthal Sells His 'Insider's Account' Farrar, Straus Giroux gets the journalist-turned-Presidential-assistant to weigh in with his take on the Clinton years, the vast right-wing conspiracy, Monica and a little spat he's been having with Matt Drudge. EXCLUSIVE by Sara Nelson Monday , January 29, 2001 04:21 p.m. With a short proposal in hand and a new agent at his side, just retired Clinton assistant Sidney Blumenthal sold his book to venerable Farrar, Straus Giroux. ICM agent Sloan Harris brokered the world rights deal with the Holzbrinck-owned house, which pre-empted with a bid in the solid six figures. (Blumenthal's previous agent was Kathy Robbins.) Elisabeth Sifton is the editor on the book, which is tentatively titled The Clinton Wars or, perhaps, What Really Happened . Harris says that the manuscript will be delivered in early 2002, with publication probably later that year. Blumenthal is a character nearly as controversial as the Clintons. He left his job as a writer for the New Yorker to work at the White House, where he immediately became their official -- and compensated -- partisan and fierce protector. He publicly agreed with the First Lady that Whitewater, the Paula Jones trial and Monicagate were functions of a ''vast right-wing conspiracy.'' As an unabashed Clinton loyalist, Blumenthal will surely write a memoir less emotionally fraught than the one former Clinton staffer George Stephanopoulos wrote for Little, Brown in 1999. That book read like a tale of a betrayal of an innocent true-believer. Blumenthal was and remains close to the former president and his family, particularly to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Blumenthal's reputation is to be combative, and yet in a first person book of this type, he will necessarily be forced to be more reflective. Elisabeth Sifton says that Blumenthal is ''a very, very fine writer'' and that his account will reflect his special position in the White House. ''This is certainly an insider's account, not a journalist's account,'' she says. The writer's attachment to the previous administration has earned him some disrespect from colleagues throughout the media. He is currently estranged from former friend, Vanity Fair writer Christopher Hitchens, because Hitchens signed an affidavit questioning Blumenthal's testimony before Kenneth Starr's grand jury. He has also brought a lawsuit against the Web journalist, Matt Drudge, who accused Blumenthal of spousal abuse. Blumenthal says the accusations are completely false. Drudge issued an apology but the damage was done and the case is ongoing. The author of four previous books, all of which are out of print, Blumenthal will write this one using some notes, but mostly his own ''fairly good memory.'' He never kept a proper diary, he says, as lawyers instructed him not to. Nonetheless, it will ''cover the waterfront,'' he says, including the less savory events in the White House. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- June wrote: From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now as for that little 5 year old Liz Taylor running through the green green grass of home well, that movie she was at least 12 years old.and she still had this pig nose that was worked on by plastic surgeons, her eyes are NOT violet, Strange then that people who saw her in the hospital when she almost died of pneumonia commented on how beautiful she was, even without makeup and being ill...and everyone commented on how VIOLET her eyes were... Yes, methinks Saba is suffering from the green-eyed jealously monster syndrome. Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???
-Caveat Lector- fair enough. - Original Message - From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers??? -Caveat Lector- Anyone who doesn't know enough to capitalize "I" cannot be taken seriously. i believe in a classless alphabet; or, at the very least, completely classless words. those of the upper cases need to be scaled down - their powers to speak before and stand taller than the others need to be removed. you could call me an alphabetical egalitarianist. inri I am an Alphabetical Fundamentalist but I will defend to the death your right to ignore the Upper Case...and my right not to take such writing seriously. flw flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WSJ: Cleaning Up the Unions
-Caveat Lector- "The Carey case, in short, is a dagger pointing to the highest levels of the American labor movement ... Also, by the way, Terry McAuliffe, chairman in 1996 of the Clinton-Gore re-election effort and currently Bill Clinton's nominee to run the Democratic National Committee..." http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=85000512 Cleaning Up the Unions Ron Carey's indictment is only the first step in fighting labor corruption. Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:01 a.m. EST Last week's indictment of former Teamster President Ronald Carey is long overdue; the charges concern diverting money from the union treasury to his own re-election campaign back in 1996. Equally overdue is a broader look at the problem of union corruption, which is clearly widespread and probably growing. In contrast to U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White's glacial pace in the Teamster case, Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau has been obtaining lots of corruption convictions in an aggressive series of union probes. The benchmark case for good prosecutorial conduct is Mr. Morgenthau's investigation of District Council 37, which represents 125,000 city workers through a collection of locals under Gerald McEntee's politically powerful American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. Mr. Morgenthau's probe of vote-rigging, embezzlement and contract-ratification fraud has resulted in more than two-dozen convictions and numerous sudden retirements, including a AFSCME local president. Mr. Morgenthau has undertaken similar prosecutions of union roofers, crooked contractors and garbage haulers with similar results. Organized crime elements played a major role in some of these schemes. In Washington, D.C., meanwhile, the general secretary of the International Association of Bridge, Structural and Ornamental Iron Workers is indicted for embezzlement of union funds, allegedly including $10,000 to fund a vacation in Scotland. In California, the ex-financial secretary of a Longshoreman's union local faces felony charges in the embezzlement of more than $200,000 in union funds. In Chicago, a local leader is indicted for racketeering in the theft of $473,000 from the Laborers International Union of North America (Liuna). Liuna represents more than 800,000 workers in construction, clerical work, health care and state and local government. It is a particularly troubled union. Liuna head Arthur Coia was forced out last year after pleading guilty to a felony tax fraud charge, but continues to exert influence. Early in the Clinton Presidency, Mr. Coia ended an investigation of mob influence by reaching a settlement with the Justice Department for a voluntary cleanup. Mr. Coia had close ties to the Clinton White House and former deputy chief of staff Harold Ickes, a longtime union lawyer and the New York mastermind of Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign. This is the environment in which the Carey case should be seen. He's charged with seven counts of perjury and false statements in connection with the financing of his campaign for re-election to the union presidency. He'd been the reformer, cleaning up the corruption of former President Jimmy Hoffa under a federal oversight board. Mr. Carey won the 1996 election against Mr. Hoffa's son, James P. Hoffa, who later won the presidency after the oversight board stripped Mr. Carey of office and expelled him from the union over his election finances. In November 1999, Mrs. White's prosecutors convicted former Teamsters political director William Hamilton for fraud and conspiracy to embezzle $850,000 from the union treasury for the Carey re-election campaign. The money was laundered as donations to other unions and political groups, which then returned it in contributions to the Carey campaign. After the verdict, the younger Mr. Hoffa urged further prosecutions, saying that "trial testimony revealed that several other individuals participated in the conspiracy." Mr. Carey was indicted shortly after Mr. Hamilton's appeal was unanimously dismissed by a three-judge federal appeals panel. Trial testimony indicated that $150,000 of the Teamster money was laundered through the AFL, and that AFL-CIO Treasurer Richard Trumka was implicated. Mr. Trumka took the Fifth Amendment when questioned about the matter by federal investigators. AFL-CIO President John Sweeney waived the union's ban on holding office after a self-incrimination plea. The Carey case, in short, is a dagger pointing to the highest levels of the American labor movement. Other names arising in the testimony about donation swapping included Mr. McEntee of the Municipal Employees and Andy Stern, chief of the Service Employees International Union. Also, by the way, Terry McAuliffe, chairman in 1996 of the Clinton-Gore re-election effort and currently Bill Clinton's nominee to run the Democratic National Committee. None of these men have been charged with any crime. Of course, in some quarters the
[CTRL] Fwd: Watergate Revisited
What happens when the fox gets to "reveal" why the henhouse is empty ... Lawsuit Could Reopen Watergate By SETH HETTENA .c The Associated Press BALTIMORE (AP) - The Watergate burglary was not an attempt to remove potentially embarrassing photographs of John Dean's future wife from a secretary's desk, despite the claims of convicted conspirator G. Gordon Liddy, the secretary's lawyer said Wednesday in opening statements for a defamation lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by Ida ``Maxie'' Wells, the former secretary for the Democratic National Committee. It seeks $5.1 million from Liddy for claiming that the burglars who broke into DNC headquarters at the Watergate complex were looking for photographs that linked Dean's fiance to a call-girl ring. Wells says Liddy falsely accused her of procuring prostitutes for the DNC in the early 1970s. Her attorney, David Dorsen, said Wednesday that Liddy defamed Wells by repeating the theory about the Watergate break-in that was raised in the book ``Silent Coup.'' Liddy began discussing Wells in speeches after Dean sued Liddy and the authors of that 1991 book over its claim that Dean instigated the Watergate break-in. In June, the lawsuit was dismissed. Dean, who was President Nixon's chief White House lawyer, said he would testify and deny the accusations. Dean's wife, Maureen, also is listed as a possible witness for Wells. Other potential witnesses listed by both sides include Watergate figures E. Howard Hunt, Charles Colson and James McCord. Liddy's attorney, John Williams, countered in his opening remarks that Liddy has several sources for his theory about the motive behind the break-in, including a number of books and what Williams said was a historical fact: that one of the burglars had a key to Wells' desk. ``He says what he says because the historical literature will show that Ms. Wells' telephone was being used to contact the call-girl ring,'' Williams said. ``This case is about whether Mr. Liddy can openly discuss another theory of history. ``Nobody can explain why the burglars had a key to her desk and why her desk was broken into.'' Liddy arranged the June 17, 1972, burglary that ultimately led to Nixon's 1974 resignation, and later served four years and four months in prison. The lawsuit contends Liddy has repeatedly, and falsely, claimed the break-in was ordered not to repair a previously installed tap on DNC telephones but to recover photos and phone numbers of Dean's fiancee. According to the lawsuit, Liddy says Dean's fiancee was a member of a call-girl ring. Dean, who cooperated with Watergate prosecutors and served four months in prison, on Tuesday denied being the Watergate mastermind. ``There is not a scintilla of evidence that there was a call-girl ring at the DNC,'' said Dean, who has recently worked as an investment banker in Beverly Hills. Dorsen has noted that Wells later became personal secretary to Carter. ``It defies belief that if there were an active prostitution ring operating out of the DNC in 1971-1972, in which (Wells) played a conspicuous role, no Democratic worker or official came forward to protect President Carter from the political scandal of having as his secretary an alleged former madam, who supposedly pimped for countless Democratic bigwigs,'' Dorsen said in court papers.
[CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE
-Caveat Lector- Subject: GUN REFRESHER COURSEthanks,,,Bonnie Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:14:57 -0700 All you women out there please replace man with woman. I do want to be Politically incorrect. My number 1 rule is: Shoot straight and empty the weapon. From: Eugene A. Tripp, "Keep Your Powder Dry-News" 24/7 Voice-mail Fax: 970 226 1732, TO BE ADDED To; OR REMOVED Mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GUN REFRESHER COURSE a.. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. b.. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone. c.. Smith Wesson: The original point and click interface. d.. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. e.. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? f.. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. g.. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms. h.. If you don't know your rights you don't have any. i.. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. j.. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved. k.. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? l.. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others. m.. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. n.. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians. o.. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety. p.. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to live. q.. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer. r.. Assault is a behavior, not a device. s.. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer. t.. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson. u.. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens try to control them. v.. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for. w.. Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more. x.. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves. y.. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control. z. "...a government by the people, for the people..." PLEASE PASS THIS 'REFRESHER' TO 10 OTHER FREE CITIZENS A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE
In a message dated 1/30/01 12:51:18 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My number 1 rule is: Shoot straight and empty the weapon. GUN CONTROL IS PUTTING THE FIRST CLIP IN THE TEN RING. CARL
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[CTRL] Schippers on Foster Case (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:57:22 -0800 From: Allan Favish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Schippers on Foster Case Here is the response I received from Jim Quinn, the radio talk show host who hosted David Schippers: [all correct] At 09:53 PM 1/28/01 -0800, you wrote: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a73b2301fe8.htm The first post in this thread at Free Republic contains information about a recent appearance by David Schippers. I tend to believe the person who made the post, but of course, I cannot verify it. Perhaps Jim Quinn can verify it. The first post says the following (note the comment about the Vincent Foster case): David P. Schippers, Chief Investigative Council for the Clinton Impeachment, and author of SELLOUT, appeared at the Lakeview Lounge in Greensburg, PA courtesy of Jim Quinn's Warroom. Schippers and his lovely wife Jackie were greeted by a crowd of over 500, in the tightly packed dinner hall. Much af what Schippers presented was a restatement of points and facts he brought up in his book. During the question and answer period, he did raise the following points I thought would be of interest to other FReepers: - Schippers seemed to demonstrate a great deal of confidence in Dave Barret, the last remaining OIC.. - Schippers referred to Ken Starr as, "a decent and honorable man," but identified his inexperience as a prosecutor, and consequent lack of a, "killer instinct," as Achilles' heels in Starr's efforts. - Surprisingly, Schippers indicated that in one deposition, Monica was posed a question about how BC had tried to portray her, and she was not aware of the, "nuts sluts," accusations. When Schippers directed her to Clinton's sworn statements to that effect, her lawyers spirited her from the room. - Schippers doesn't expect Web Hubble to be forthcoming with a whole lot, in spite of Hubble's failure to be pardoned. - Schippers was not aware of any reason Charlie Ruff would have to have been taken out, but was quite adamant about not, "putting anything beyond these people." - Referred to the Vince Foster case as a "botched investigation," and indicated the possibility of two secret service agents that may have relevant information that have not yet been heard from. - Indicated that there was an awareness of Gore/ INS improprieties in the 2000 election. What beats all, however, was an anecdote Schippers told the crowd that he stated he'd never before made public. It seems that after his declarations before the judiciary committee, he was prepared to start packing his bags, and leave D.C. One day, Henry Hyde called him and told him there was aCatholic Priest who wanted to meet with Schippers. Schippers, a Catholic, met with the priest from Ohio. The priest informed Schippers that he must remain in Washington, and "stay the course." The priest, it turns out, was an exorcist, had recently performed an exorcism, and stated that he saw the same evil in, "those eyes." Schippers, somewhat incredulously stated that he knew Clinton was a bad guy, but c'mon! Did this priest think the president had made a pact with the devil? The priest stated, "not his...hers..." _ Regards, Allan J. Favish = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Report Tells of AIDS Devastation
-Caveat Lector- So only thing that could be jealous of Liz Taylor today, would be another pig at the trough of plenty. It was that the ring she wore was once the property of the Krupp family and this I did not know.and that 'little jewish girl" crap did not fly when King said she was a converted jew. These days she is good example for what happens to a person who over indulges in good things of life - too much food, and then too much booz and drugs.when she married the truck driver I thought she had finally found her own kind- but the truck driver got the worst of that one but got a chunk of money and then met with a very strange accident.. So she did not impress anybody when she was in Columbus, as she waddled out into the streets -she had the skin of a peasant and did not have the beautiful ivory English or Irish skin..and with her pig nose held high in the air, it still llooked like it was lined with black fur. So case of Warner waking up with a frog on his pillow, half drunk and doped up who probably took more than her haff of the bed.isn't love wonderful...' Wonder if she will ever do a book on her truck driver husband, and his strange accident.so to each his own - the last movie star? Today if the ever do remake of Elephant Walk - she would plan the elephant. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE
-Caveat Lector- with all due respect, bollocks. if you need any supporting evidence then contrast and compare per capita gun deaths (deliberate or accidental (the accident stat would be shocking on it's own)) in the USA with the UK more guns= more death. indisputable logic. - Original Message - From: "BB" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 06:51 Subject: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE m.. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE
-Caveat Lector- the french didn't need guns to revolt- they had the WILL to revolt. the british didn't revolt because they have NO WILL. guns do not equal strength of will - Original Message - From: "BB" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 January 2001 06:51 Subject: [CTRL] GUN REFRESHER COURSE y.. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
