[CTRL] Fwd: Christ Killer

[Das GOAT]

In a message dated 12/23/1999 12:07:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I don't know what sources Das Goat's reading.  He says "nearly all primary
sources," but that is hard to believe since such would be beyond the
capacity of a single lifetime.  And does he mean he reads Egyptian?  There
is also the question of interpretation, but that would require an entire
article.

 I would assume that he is in fact reading books written and edited by
Western/Christian historians, and I would suggest he study the numerous
books I have sourced, including and especially Gerald Massey.  If he truly
cares, he can find much of Massey's work online.  Some links are at
http://www.truthbeknown.com/christcon.htm .  He could also check out the
work by Albert Churchward.

 Horus was a SUN GOD, and these various characteristics listed are those of
the SUN GOD, which the December 25th birthdate alone is enough to prove.
So that's the first point where Das Goat is wrong and doesn't even display
common sense.  In fact, he apparently doesn't understand that Horus is a
SUN GOD, which even the most basic books will tell you. 




In a message dated 12/23/1999 12:07:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I don't know what sources Das Goat's reading.  He says "nearly all primary
sources," but that is hard to believe since such would be beyond the
capacity of a single lifetime.  And does he mean he reads Egyptian?  There
is also the question of interpretation, but that would require an entire
article.

I would assume that he is in fact reading books written and edited by
Western/Christian historians, and I would suggest he study the numerous
books I have sourced, including and especially Gerald Massey.  If he truly
cares, he can find much of Massey's work online.  Some links are at
http://www.truthbeknown.com/christcon.htm .  He could also check out the
work by Albert Churchward.

Horus was a SUN GOD, and these various characteristics listed are those of
the SUN GOD, which the December 25th birthdate alone is enough to prove.
So that's the first point where Das Goat is wrong and doesn't even display
common sense.  In fact, he apparently doesn't understand that Horus is a
SUN GOD, which even the most basic books will tell you.

Horus's "mother," Isis, represents, among other things, the MOON, and it
was said that the new moon was the Virgin through which the sun was born.
Osiris is the "heavenly father" who "impregnates" the new moon with his
light, from which is born Horus.  This is Egyptian mythology 101, although
the standardized Western textbooks have truncated the various solar
attributes, for obvious reasons, in that they would reveal the origins of
the Christ character.  I am told by Muslims that Arabic texts are not so
edited and verify my research in large part.

Let me give you an example of this convenient editing:

In Larousse's Encyclopedia of Mythology - a well-respected authority - in
the entry on Osiris, it reads:  "The names and appellations of Osiris were
countless.  There are about a hundred in the litanies of the Book of the
Dead."  Naturally, it doesn't list any of them, because if it did, we would
find the following, among an estimated 200, rather than 100.  Osiris, it
should be recalled, was the "father" sun, and his titles and attributes
were also applied to Horus, the "son" or renewed solar incarnation.  Anyone
who knows anything about Egyptian mythology knows that it is very
complicated and that it mutated countless times over the millennia.


Here are but a couple of Osiris/Horus's titles omitted from Larousse and,
evidently, Das Goat's "exhaustive" sources:  "Lord of Lords" "King of
Kings" "God of Gods" "the Resurrection and the Life" "the Good Shepherd"
"Eternity and Everlastingness."  The famous Egyptologist Wallis Budge says
of Osiris, "From first to last, Osiris was to the Egyptians the god-man who
suffered, and died, and rose again, and reigned eternally in heaven.  They
believed that they would inherit eternal life, just as he had done."

Let me clarify a few more points:  "El-azarus" is the compound of "El," the
Semitic god as in Is-Ra-El, who also was essentially a sun god, and Azarus,
which was the Latinized name of Osiris.  As the dying sun, the "mummy"
Osiris is resurrected by the new sun Horus.

In addition, the "priest" (I don't call him that) is "Anup the Baptizer,"
representing the constellation of the Waterman, Aquarius, whose head is cut
off as it rises heliacally at a certain point during the year.  The 12
disciples are, of course, the constellations of the zodiac.  Such is a
common motif in astrotheology and the solar mythos.  The two thieves that
the sun god is crucified between are the signs of Sagittarius and
Capricorn, the months when the sun god's strength is at its lowest and i

[CTRL] Fwd: Re: Christ Killer

[Das GOAT]

 In a message dated 12/23/1999 02:10:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'll keep doing this until you are reassured that [Robalini] did not put
out
a "total fabrication," but it will be enough to fill your mailbox.  This guy
Das is
really OUT TO LUNCH. 







In a message dated 12/23/1999 02:10:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'll keep doing this until you are reassured that you did not put out a 
"total

fabrication," but it will be enough to fill your mailbox.  This guy Das is

really OUT TO LUNCH.


http://watch.pair.com/cosmic.htmlhttp://watch.pair.com/cosmic.html -

apparently also a Christian site.


[quote]


The Sun-god Osiris and his consort, Isis, together with Re-Atum, the

"Father of

the Gods," were regarded by the ancient Egyptians as the supreme rulers of a

Golden Age of plenty called Zep Tepi or the "First Time." . . . 


In her Theosophical Glossary, H.P. Blavatsky thus describes Horus:


"Horus (Eg.). The last in the line of divine Sovereigns in Egypt, said to be

the son of Osiris and Isis. He is the great god ‘loved of Heaven,’ the

‘'beloved of the Sun, the offspring of the gods, the subjugator of the world.’

At the time of the Winter Solstice (our Christmas), his image in the form of a

small newly-born infant, was brought out from the sanctuary for the adoration

of the worshipping crowds..." 


[quote]

 

Re: [CTRL] Christ Killer

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In a message dated 99-12-23 13:16:14 EST, Archarya writes:

 Horus was a SUN GOD, and these various characteristics listed are those of
the SUN GOD, which the December 25th birthdate alone is enough to prove.
So that's the first point where Das Goat is wrong and doesn't even display
common sense.  In fact, he apparently doesn't understand that Horus is a
SUN GOD, which even the most basic books will tell you. 

Everything Archarya says she makes so "simple," it's exasperating ...  Horus
was not really a "sun" god.  The TWO "eyes" of Horus, that god's most
ubiquitous icon apart from the predatory falcon, represent sun AND moon -- as
befits a deity who was always first and foremost a SKY god, and a god of the
DAY sky and of LIGHT in particular.  It's Re who was the "sun" god -- and for
Horus to be thought of at all as "solar," he had to be COMBINED with Re,
"Re-ified," as occurred in a later age.  The ONLY sun-god who journeyed
through the "underworld" after his "death" at sunset, who traversed the night
sky in the Pyramid Texts, in the Prt Em-Hru ("Book of the Dead") and the Book
of the Am-Duat, was explicitly Re, the enemy of Apepi, serpent of darkness.
In no text in Egypt was Horus EVER described as making any equivalent kind of
"solar" journey.

Also, Osiris was never identified as the sun.  He has, however, been equated
with the moon --mostly from being cut into pieces and then reassembled, a la
the waning and then waxing moon-- although properly, the moon was the sphere
of the god Thoth, who was sometimes referred to as the OTHER eye of Horus, a
sky god.  To the Egyptians, the moon was, as a rule, MALE in gender, just as
their oldest "solar" deity was, in fact, a sun-GODDESS, Sekhmet.  Osiris
ruled fertility and the fertilizing waters of the Nile:
his icon shows a mummified man colored GREEN, with reeds sprouting from his
body
His father Geb, from whom he inherited the throne of "king of the gods," or
at least the rule of Egypt, was likewise an EARTH god, portrayed reclining
beneath his wife the SKY goddess Nut -- mother of the twins and opposites
Horus (day sky) and Set (night sky).
Nut and Hathor were dual forms of the same cow-form sky-goddess -- Hat-hor
("home
of Hor," Horus) was Horus' wife, just as Nut was his mother, and
SKY-goddesses both
When the Egyptian religion was in its heyday, it was the Age of Taurus, when
the Sun entered the sign of the Bull at the equinox -- so cow Hathor was
portrayed with a solar disk headdress, representing the sun between her
horns.  In that same age, the Sun at the summer solstice, the
brightest-hottest day of the year, was in the sign of Leo, the lion -- hence
the sun-GODDESS Sekhmet and the twin lions, either as the Akriu or as Shu and
Tefnut (Tef-NUT, wife of the god of celestial light, was also leonine in
form) , who represented those two points where the sun rose above and fell
below the horizon.
In the Horus myth, Horus strikes off his mother Isis' head and replaces it
with a COW's head (reflecting, again, Nut and Hathor) -- because the sun at
the equinox rose in the
sign of Taurus.  Does that fact make ISIS, therefore, a SUN goddess?

Was Osiris, the dying and resurrected god, the "sun"?  No.  Was Horus "of the
two eyes" --who was never slain but who was, in the form of the child born to
Isis from Osiris, "reborn"-- the "sun"?  No.  (How could HORUS be "reborn"
from OSIRIS' seed?) Was Isis, the bride of Osiris and mother of "child Horus"
[the ELDER Horus was Isis' BROTHER, one of the FIVE children of Geb and Nut,
alongside Osiris, Set, Isis and Nepthys, and therefore the UNCLE of "child
Horus"] the moon?  Not originally -- but in later times, only thanks to the
GREEK and later ROMAN syncretism of ALL foreign goddesses as "mother"/"moon"
goddesses -- because to THEM (in contrast to ancient Egyptians and Sumerians)
the sky-deity HAD to be a "male" and the earth "female."
(The Greeks were the first proponents of an allegedly "original" and
"universal" religion, manufactured for the express purpose of universalizing
GREEK culture, and they were
not above twisting foreign deities out of shape in order to make them "fit"
this project. Hence, anything that the GREEKS said about the gods of Egypt
must be taken with a big grain of salt, because the texts as written by
earlier EGYPTIANS contradict them.)

Even Re, generally accepted as the "sun" god, was not entirely "solar" in his
character, since, in order for him to gain legitimacy in the eyes of the
Egyptians to whom he was introduced as a relative LATE comer, Re had to be
identified with OLDER gods such as
Atum (he who first emerged from the watery chaos of Nun to become "creator")
and Ptah

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Christ Killer

[Das GOAT]

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In a message dated 99-12-24 05:25:34 EST, Acharya writes:

Let me clarify a few more points:  "El-azarus" is the compound of "El," the
Semitic god as in Is-Ra-El, who also was essentially a sun god, and Azarus,
which was the Latinized name of Osiris.

Whoo-ee!  I ain't seen such "expert" linguistic crazy-quilting since certain
padded-cell eccentrics scribbling in the late 19th Century.  So, ELVIS means
(in Hebrew mixed with Latin) "the face of God"!  Elvis/lives ...  PROOF Elvis
is the Son of God, Christ Himself!

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Re: [CTRL] Christ Killer -- Resources pro con

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Overview of the "Christ was just the same old Sun-God" argument::
 http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html

The ultimate "scholarly" source of that argument:
 http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kerrsey_graves/16/
 especially /chap30.html

 Sampling of Acharya's two favorite sources:
Gerald Massey
 http://www.kessinger-publishing.com/catalog/authors/Massey_Gerald.html
 http://www.maatinus.com/Nguzo%20Saba/maatprn.htm
and James Churchward
 http://www.pcok.net/~shannara/bl15.htm
 (Noted in http://www.newage.com.au/library/atlantis1.html)

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[CTRL] Fwd: Recalling the End of the World

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 THOTH
  -A Catastrophics Newsletter-

  SUPPLEMENT
  December 22, 1999


 DAVID TALBOTT AND WALLACE THORNHILL TO BE GUESTS OF
 JEFF RENSE AND "SIGHTINGS ON THE RADIO", JANUARY 10

David Talbott, author of The Saturn Myth, and Australian
physicist Wallace Thornhill will be host Jeff Rense's guests
on the nationally-syndicated "Sightings on the Radio" program
January 10, 2000.  The three-hour program begins at 10:00 PM
EASTERN TIME.  The program will highlight the convergence of
the "Saturn" and the "Electric Universe" hypotheses, and
will include discussion of the most recent (and most
extraordinary) new findings from space. Expect dramatic news
concerning the mystifying "volcanoes" on the Jovian moon Io,
The latests photos left NASA scientists scrambling for ad hoc
explanations. In fact, these new photos reveal all of the
predicted markers of electrical discharge phenomena, up close
and personal.

If you do not receive the Sightings program in your area, you
can listen to the program live on the Internet by going to--
 www.sightings.com
If you do not have the required audio player, it can be down-
loaded directly from the site.


 REACHING OUT ON THE INTERNET

Perhaps it is only appropriate that the year 2000 begin a new
phase in the development of our global communications. Over the
next 30-60 days we intend to organize a core group of individuals
to develop special communications with electronic newsgroups,
private discussion groups, webmasters, and other centers of
Internet influence.

For this new outreach we need all of the voluntary assistance we
can get.  If you might be available to help or to offer suggestions,
please contact Michael Armstrong by email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).  All
we need initially is your interest.  Communications strategies and
protocols will be developed in consultation with active participants.


  "REMEMBERING THE END OF THE WORLD"
  YOUR BEST INTRODUCTION TO THE SATURN THEORY

We continue to get many requests for advice on how to "get up to
speed" on the Saturn theory research.  Though many volumes of
material have been published over the past two decades, the
fragmentary nature of the material can be a continuing source of
frustration for newcomers, who may not be sure where to turn first.

The best introduction presently available is the 90-minute docu-
mentary, "Remembering the End of the World".This feature-length
documentary is the first presentation of the Saturn theory in a
visual medium, and is supported by stunning computer graphics and
simple explanations.

"Remembering" is an encounter with cosmic disaster, when
planets appeared gigantic in our sky.  According to author
David Talbott and his colleagues, the planets inspired
mythical themes now incomprehensible to science:  a lost
Golden Age, when humankind lived in the shadow of the
planetary gods; a "mother goddess" with long-flowing hair;
the fiery dragon threatening to destroy the world; a
celestial hero who "subdued" the dragon, and titanic wars of
the gods.

In one overview, this documentary suggests an entirely new
interpretation of planetary history, while illuminating the
mythical, ritual, and symbolic roots of civilization.
Thousands of viewers have agreed - this film opens windows
never before imagined.  And it is a must for anyone seeking
to learn more about the Saturn theory.

For example, in an initial survey of individuals purchasing the
video, more than 40 percent of respondents gave it the highest
rating, and the most frequent comment received from viewers was
that they watched the video several times, learning more with
each viewing.

Repeat viewing is the key indicator of the video's strength. When
the film premiered at the Portland Art Museum, several hundred
viewers turned out. In the course of the showings, emcee Paul
Hillman reduced the video price by $10.00 (the admission price
at the premiere).  Twenty five percent of the audience
immediately purchased the video they had just seen.


-REVIEWS OF "REMEMBERING THE END OF THE WORLD"--

A GROUNDBREAKING VISION
Finally, it seems, the world is beginning to understand that
much of our "knowledge" has been tampered with.  For centuries,
powerful institutions with their own agendas, have filtered
information for their own advantage.

I am amazed by the power of the documentary, "Remembering
the End of the World."  It gives us the ability to see past
the filtering process, taking us back to a time we remember
only in ancient myths and symbols.  It is the story of
human origins, and "how it all began," but it is not the
story you learned in church or in school.  This astonishing
vision of the past is groundbreaking.  And it is unforgettable,
staying with you, and forcing you continually to see things in
a different light.  Please, in the name of true discovery,
obtain a copy of 

[CTRL] No Alternative, No Matter Who

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

Voters Want Alternative to System

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) - Americans don't have much faith in the two-party
system to elect their president, according to a recent poll.

Nearly half of all polled said they want a third-party candidate to run as an
alternative to the Republican and Democratic candidates, and only 23 percent
agreed ``the two party system works fairly well.''

What was most surprising about the poll was that a possible race between the
two candidates considered challengers to their parties' front-runners -
former Democratic U.S. Sen. Bill Bradley and John McCain, Republican senator
from Arizona - does not lessen the voters' desire for a third-party
alternative.

Faced with a possible contest between Bradley and McCain - often portrayed as
outsiders or mavericks within their parties - 43 percent of all voters
surveyed said they would also want to have a third-party candidate.

Nearly the same percentage - 45 percent - said they wanted a third-party
candidate if they were faced with a race between Texas Gov. George W. Bush
and Vice President Al Gore.

``We were actually surprised to find that the Bradley-McCain match-up didn't
reduce the desire for a third party,'' said Tami Buhr, research coordinator
for the Vanishing Voter Project, which conducted the poll.

Thomas Patterson, project co-director, said the results reflect a steady,
15-year increase in the public's desire for a third party.

``For a lot of people, simply having that choice is an important thing,''
Patterson said.

But he said the survey results don't necessarily mean more than 40 percent of
Americans will vote for a third-party candidate in the next election.

The results are from a nationwide telephone survey of 1,009 adults conducted
between Dec. 15-19. The poll has a sampling error of plus or minus 3
percentage points.

It is the latest installment in the Vanishing Voter Project at Harvard's Joan
Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy.

The project, which began Nov. 10, is designed to get at the root of voter
apathy. Project directors plans to have interviews conducted of at least
1,000 Americans weekly through the November election - more than 50,000
voters in total.

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Re: [CTRL] Fondly remembering Isvestia and Pravda News Services.

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Well, isn't that what the revered Capitalist idea of "competition" is all
about -- a brief interim stage, usually in a new market, ultimately resulting
in cartels or a monopoly?

And isn't that what the sacred Capitalist concept of the "free market" is --
an economy in which the bigger fishes are FREE to eat all the littler ones,
until the market winds up CONTROLLED by the biggest fish of all, who can then
ELIMINATE any challengers?

Capitalist "economics" evolved as an economic expression of "Social
Darwinism" --a modernized version of the philosophy behind FEUDALISM-- and it
must follow its basic tenet: "Survival of the 'fittest' -- by any means
necessary."  All power comes from the capital of the most exploitative, most
usurious bankers -- until the GUNS come out ...

"Work makes free," "slavery is freedom," "supply and demand" ...  Barnum was
right!

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Re: [CTRL] Phoenicians in ancient New Zealand ? (fwd)

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In a message dated 99-12-21 17:48:50 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This is probably true also. But only because the Phoenicians traded along
the coasts. Many nations, including Egypt, sailed along the coasts.

Egypt had an AVERSION to the sea.  So, when it came to seafaring, the
Egyptians "contracted out" to the Phoenicians, Mycenaeans, and perhaps
earlier the Minoans.
The Phoenicians were tolerated as "colonial governors" for absentee-landlord
Egypt, particularly around the time of the early Israelite "Kingdom."  The
Mycenaeans were virtually nobodies until they settled in the Delta and signed
on as Egypt's mercenaries, to fill the vacuum left by the deterioration of
Phoenician control of its "colony" Canaan.
After the civil war under King Solomon (who married an Egyptian princess as a
token of his "fealty" to the Pharaoh) which split Israel into Judah, isolated
inland in the far south, and  Israel (the Ten Tribes) in the north, nextdoor
to Tyre and Sidon, Judah declined in all aspects of culture while the
Northern Kingdom, "Phoenicia's" partner, prospered and
excelled in its culture -- reflecting its mercantile relations with both
Egypt and Greece.
Only the Assyrians, elbowing into the area from Mesopotamia, hoping to gain
control of Mediterranean trade by conquering "Phoenicia" plus "Israel,"
changed that equation.
The Canaanite-Phoenicians were THEN driven more westward into the
Mediterranean and became primarily "Phoenicians," i.e., COLONIAL seaport
settlers, instead of urban Canaanites on Near Eastern coastlines.  The
histories of the Canaanite-Phoenicians written by Sancthuniathon sp? et
al., who had access to more ancient archives still in Byblos, referred
explicitly to their origin as an URBANIZED people in the Holy Land who LATER
just happened to develop a sea trade (after the MINOAN civilization fell).
They too declined as the Mycenaeans, evolving into "Greeks," grew in greater
favor with Egypt, who, as "breadbasket of the Mediterranean," was always in
"remote-control" of the Levant -- until itself conquered by Persia, and by
Persia's conqueror, Alexander.
The sea-rule of the Phoenicians and Mycenaeans spanned a mere 500 years, 1100
to 600 BC, coinciding with Israel's history.  That was "Egypt's" only great
maritime period too -- excluding seafaring feats attributed to Old Kingdom
pharaohs 1500 years earlier.
(And that EARLIER epoch, according to Herodotus, was when Egypt founded
Byblos, first of its "colonies" in the Near East [and ALSO when Egyptians
colonized Crete?].)

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[CTRL] Export-Import Bank and US Foreign Policy

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 "Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, in an unusual meeting with
Export-Import Bank bank chairman James Harmon, at first tried to persuade the
bank, an independent federal agency, to do as the Clinton administration
wished.  Later, she formally invoked an obscure law that allows the
administration to intervene in the Bank's decisions."


US Gov't Bank Blocks Russian Loans

By DAVID BRISCOE
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Clinton administration is blocking $500 million in
loans to an oil company partially owned by the Russian government. Proceeds
would have gone directly to American companies.

With U.S. officials expressing concern about dealings of Russia's Tyumen Oil
Co. and about maintaining ``the rule of law'' in Russia, Secretary of State
Madeleine Albright invoked a provision late Tuesday that compelled the U.S.
Export-Import Bank to temporarily reject guarantees for the loans.

The Russian Fuel and Energy Ministry declined to comment today on the move.

Administration officials denied her decision was related to strong U.S.
objections to Russian military actions in Chechnya, although it came amid
calls for a halt to such loans over Chechnya from members of Congress and
Democratic presidential hopeful Bill Bradley.

``He welcomes the State Department decision,'' Bradley spokesman Eric Hauser
said, noting that for several weeks the candidate has been saying it is
inappropriate to give assistance to Russia while it is engaged in ``the
brutal war in Chechnya.''

Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., had called for the bank to stop the loans to
Tyumen because of reports it forced a company with partial American ownership
into bankruptcy to obtain its oil fields.

She also praised Tuesday's decision, saying it will allow ``scrutiny of the
report of manipulation of bankruptcy law involving this company.''

Albright, in an unusual meeting with bank chairman James Harmon, at first
tried to persuade the bank, an independent federal agency, to act on its own
Tuesday.

Later, she sent a letter to the bank, formally invoking a law that allows the
administration to intervene in its decisions.

``The State Department has determined that it is in the national interest and
would advance U.S. policy with Russia not to approve the loan guarantees for
the time being,'' said Alan Larson, undersecretary of state for economic
affairs.

Bank officials said the loan guarantees would not be approved until the State
Department withdraws its objections.

Loan proceeds, to be extended by private banks with the Ex-Im bank
guarantees, would have gone to Halliburton Co. of Dallas and 24 other U.S.
companies in payment for U.S.-made oil and gas equipment and services to be
purchased by the Russians.

``All money authorized remains in the United States,'' the bank said.

Bank officials insist they are required to consider transactions based only
on ``commercial reasons and creditworthiness and their positive impact in
creating or sustaining U.S. jobs.''

The bank staff had recommended approval of two loans for Tyumen to bolster
Russia's oil industry: $295 million for oil field services and $203 million
in engineering services and equipment for upgrading a refinery.

State Department spokesman James Foley said the department has been concerned
with Tyumen over issues of openness, management of bankruptcy proceedings and
protection of the rights of shareholders and creditors.

These issues are related to a larger goal of ``promoting the rule of law in
Russia,'' he said.

He also noted that Tyumen Oil was changing the makeup of its ownership
Tuesday, requiring further examination by the bank before approving the
loans.

In the past, U.S. officials have resisted pressure to impose sanctions
against Russia, and Albright and others have said they do not want to do
anything that would impede Russian economic progress.

On that issue, a senior administration official, briefing reporters on
condition of anonymity after the decision, said the department eventually
hopes to support the loans.

``We certainly hope it will be possible for this project to go forward under
the right conditions,'' the official said, adding that it would improve
Russian oil fields and benefit U.S. suppliers.

``It has economic advantages on both sides,'' the official said. ``At the
same time, the establishment of the rule of law is really fundamental to any
kind of long-term economic progress.''

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[CTRL] Quarantine the US to Prevent Terrorism ?

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 Seal the borders, ground all flights, search all automobiles ...
 But that sword cuts both ways.  If no one can get IN, how can anyone get
OUT?


Tension Growing at Nation's Borders

By DAVID GRAM
.c The Associated Press

MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) - If authorities are right, Lucia Garofalo had tried
repeatedly this month to enter the country at remote spots along Quebec's
border with New England. Once, she got in.

But on Sunday evening, bomb-sniffing dogs at the Beecher Falls border station
in northern Vermont indicated they had found something in her car. No bombs
were found, but Ms. Garofalo, 35, and Bouabide Chamchi, 20, were arrested
anyway and accused of conspiring to use a false passport and other
immigration violations.

It is the latest sign of growing tension along the nation's borders. As the
government warned Tuesday that Americans around the world may be the target
of terrorist attacks over the next two weeks, airport security was being
tightened at home and federal officials beefed up personnel at border
stations from Maine to the Pacific Northwest and south to the border with
Mexico.

The Vermont arrests came only a few days after another man, Ahmed Ressam, was
arrested in Port Angeles, Wash., on charges of carrying explosives.
Authorities are checking for any links. Chamchi and Ressam are Algerians.

As for Ms. Garofalo, authorities said she was allowed to cross into the
United States on Dec. 6. She returned to Canada on Dec. 12.

Noel Induni, agent in charge of the Immigration and Naturalization Service in
St. Albans, said Ms. Garofalo also tried to cross from Canada into New
Hampshire on Dec. 15 with a different man. They were turned away because the
man did not have proper identification and their car held more luggage than
was consistent with the story they gave for visiting.

Along the normally open and porous northern border, the Border Patrol and
Customs Service are urging longer hours and higher alertness from their
officers.

``We have what's referred to as an open border with Canada,'' said Charles
Tetzlaff, U.S. attorney for Vermont. ``Many of us on the northern border have
been concerned with certain aspects of it for some time'' - particularly with
law officers spread thin.

``There are areas along the border that just aren't covered on a given
shift,'' added Keith Olson, president of the local Border Patrol officers'
union in Bellingham, Wash., about 25 miles south of the crossing at Blaine.

From Blaine to Maine, as officers are fond of saying, there are only 289
border patrol officers guarding the areas outside official ports of entry.
Along the U.S.-Mexican border, there are 8,200 agents, according to the INS.

In Washington state, fewer than 50 officers patrol about 150 miles of border
from the tip of the Olympic Peninsula to the foothills of the Cascade
Mountains.

``We have three agents here in Port Angeles to cover the entire peninsula,''
said Mike Baker, patrol agent in charge of the Port Angeles office. ``We have
really good people, but we don't have the resources.''

There are similar stories elsewhere. Carol Jenifer, the INS district director
in Detroit, said the agency has 150 agents and Customs has 300 to do
inspections and patrol Michigan's 700-mile border with Canada.

During the last fiscal year, the INS did 45 million inspections in Michigan
and denied access to about 17,200 people.

In Detroit, where the Ambassador Bridge is the busiest U.S.-Canada border
crossing, an Arab family crossing from Windsor, Ontario, was stopped for 45
minutes Tuesday.

``They have the right to ask because some idiot, they do some bad things,''
said Freddy Zouki, who is from Algeria but works for a Montreal oil company.
``I absolutely agree with what they are doing. They are doing their job.''

But his wife's brother, Roger Malki, 24, a Syrian national who is a student
at the University of Montreal, was angry that agents asked them to pull over
at a secondary inspection point.

``Is this just because we are Arabs?'' he yelled at the agent.

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[CTRL] Al Fayed Jury In

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Harrods Boss Wins Legal Victory

By ROBERT BARR
.c The Associated Press

LONDON (AP) - Mohamed Al Fayed, the flamboyant merchant whose son died with
Princess Diana, exulted Tuesday in a legal victory over a legislator he
accused of accepting wads of cash for parliamentary favors.

``Christmas has come early. This is total vindication,'' Al Fayed said after
the jury rejected the libel suit by former Conservative Party lawmaker Neil
Hamilton.

The Egyptian-born owner of Harrods department store said he would now renew
his pursuit of a British passport, which has been denied because of questions
about his honesty and his admission that he put legislators on his payroll.

Al Fayed had been sued by Neil Hamilton, a former member of Parliament whose
career was ruined by the allegations that he accepted envelopes of cash and a
lavish stay at Al Fayed's Ritz Hotel in Paris in return for favors.

``At the moment, I just feel cold inside,'' said Hamilton, who told reporters
he was broke after losing the case.

Earlier, he had sued The Guardian newspaper for printing Al Fayed's claims,
but dropped that case claiming lack of money.

The Hamilton case contributed greatly to the ``sleaze'' issue that damaged
Prime Minister John Major's government before its defeat in the 1997 general
election.

Another Conservative lawmaker admitted taking Al Fayed's money, and the store
owner's accusations started a complex series of investigations that put
former Tory Cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken in jail for perjury.

``I hope that this is the end of a sad and unpleasant episode which has been
damaging to our party,'' Conservative Chairman Michael Ancram said. ``I trust
that the personalities involved will now retire from the scene.''

The monthlong trial, billed by the British Broadcasting Corp. as ``the best
show in town,'' had attracted full galleries in court each day.

Lawyers for the two sides dissected Hamilton's lavish room-service bill at
the Ritz, and sparred over Al Fayed's belief that the British secret
services, directed by Queen Elizabeth II's husband, Prince Philip, had
engineered the death of his son, Dodi, and Princess Diana in a Paris car
crash.

``Let Prince Philip sue me. Let MI5 and MI6 sue me,'' Al Fayed testified.
``They know they are above the law.''

Though Al Fayed won, the trial did little to enhance his reputation.

In his summation, Justice Michael Morland suggested Al Fayed's ``obsessional
attitude and beliefs have distorted his perception of the truth,'' and that
the jury should decide whether Al Fayed's version was adequately supported by
other witnesses.

Hamilton resigned from his government post in 1994 and lost his seat in 1997
after Al Fayed's accusations.

A parliamentary committee reported in 1998 that there was compelling evidence
Hamilton accepted up to up to $40,000 from Al Fayed, but ``no absolute
proof.''

It concluded that Hamilton's conduct fell ``seriously and persistently below
the standards'' expected of a lawmaker, and said he likely would have been
suspended if had not already lost his seat.

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[CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush

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Bush Questions Hunger Report

By JIM VERTUNO
.c The Associated Press

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - If Texas Gov. George W. Bush doubts the number of hungry
people in his home state, he can come see them himself, say advocates for the
poor and food bank officials.

Food is flying off the shelves as food banks try to serve poor people during
the holiday season, food bank officials said.

Bush sparked criticism from advocates for the poor across the state Monday by
saying he doesn't believe a federal report that the country's second-largest
state is also the second hungriest.

``I'm sure there are some people in my state who are hungry,'' Bush said at a
campaign stop in Manchester, N.H. ``I don't believe 5 percent are hungry.''

Food bank officials, however, say distribution in some areas is 38 percent
higher than 1998 while an 8 percent increase in contributions has failed to
keep pace.

``Where can I get hold of Mr. Bush? I'd like him to come visit our food bank
to see how empty our shelves are right now. We're scrounging for food,'' said
Amelia Gonzalez, executive director of the Community Food Bank of Victoria,
Texas.

``Oh my. How can I put this tactfully? If he says he will see to it there are
no hungry people in Texas, that's good news,'' said Judy Carter, executive
director of the Capitol Area Food Bank in Austin.

``Certainly, our experience is there are many hungry people.''

Bush, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, also
questioned the timing of the Agriculture Department report that said 5
percent of Texas families sometimes go hungry.

Bush, who is running on a theme of ``compassionate conservatism,'' suggested
the report released in October might have been released to embarrass him.

``Yeah, I'm surprised a report floats out of Washington when I'm running a
presidential campaign,'' he said. ``It seems like a lot of reports are
floating out of Washington.''

Agriculture Department spokesman Andy Solomon denied there was any intent to
embarrass Bush.

``It might be tough to believe that during the best economy in generations
hunger persists in America and in Texas, but as our study and as food banks
in the governor's state can tell you, it does,'' Solomon said. ``Part of the
difficulty in addressing the problem of hunger is getting people to
acknowledge it.''

The report covered the years 1996-98. Bush took office in 1995.

``Its a shame he's not better informed about such an important issue,'' said
Celia Hagert, nutrition policy analyst for the Center for Public Policy
Priorities, an advocacy group for poor Texans. ``It's not some new report
from some left-wing organization. It's not telling a new story. Texas has
always had high levels of poverty and high levels of hunger.''

The report measured the percentage of households that experience ``food
insecurity'' - defined as difficulty in getting adequate, nutritious and safe
food - as well as hunger - an ``uneasy or painful sensation caused by lack of
food.''

The report found 12.9 percent of Texas households experienced food
insecurity, compared with a national average of 9.7 percent. Five percent
experienced hunger, compared with 3.5 percent nationally. Only Oregon had a
higher proportion of hungry families, 5.8 percent.

In 1995, Bush vetoed a bill that would have created the Texas Food Security
Council to study hunger in Texas and help local officials solve their hunger
problems. The council would have included members from state agencies as well
as from nonprofit food policy councils and agriculture sectors.

Bush's veto said a private entity could be more effective.

Americans often don't recognize hunger in the United States, said Liz Morris,
spokeswoman for Interfaith Ministries in Houston, which coordinates a network
of 90 church food pantries.

Hungry children won't have the bloated bellies of starvation but still need
food, she said.

``Hunger looks different in the United States than it does in Third World
countries,'' she said. ``We don't have a lot of starvation but we do have
chronic malnutrition - people who water down cereal or skip breakfast for
their children.''

``People may be employed but not making enough to feed their families,'' she
said. ``At the end of World War II, somebody with the sweat of his brow and
labor of his hands could feed their family. Today, without a degree, you
can't make enough to feed your family.''

Bush sounded of like mind on that last point in a speech to students Monday
afternoon. He told them how important it is to work hard in school, go on to
higher education and become conversant with the Internet.

``Years ago, you could make a pretty good living if you could lift things,''
he said. ``Today, you need to think.''

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[CTRL] Journalist Indicted for Seeking Info in Ramsey Case

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Tabloid Editor Arrested Over Ramsey

GOLDEN, Colo. (AP) - An editor of a supermarket tabloid was arrested Monday
after being indicted on extortion and bribery charges for his efforts to
obtain information about the JonBenet Ramsey murder case.

A grand jury in Jefferson County returned an indictment last week charging
Globe editor Craig Lewis, 44, with criminal extortion and commercial bribery,
the district attorney's office said. He faces up to nine years in prison if
convicted.

A jail officer said he was released on $5,000 bond after he turned himself
in.

``Mr. Lewis has done nothing wrong,'' said his lawyer, Jeffrey Pagliuca. ``He
was working as a journalist and trying to obtain information. Legally,
morally and ethically, he is wrongfully accused.''

The indictment accuses Lewis of offering $30,000 for a copy of the ransom
note that JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, reported finding hours before her
daughter was found dead.

``We believe the conduct as set forth in this indictment clearly crosses the
line of legitimate news gathering activity and violates Colorado law,''
District Attorney Dave Thomas said in a statement.

Mrs. Ramsey told police she found the 2 1/2-page ransom note on the back
stairs of the family's home in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996, hours before
6-year-old JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement.

The grand jury in August indicted Boulder attorney Thomas C. Miller, 48, on
commercial bribery charges, alleging he brokered an April 1997 attempt to buy
a copy of the then-unreleased ransom note for $30,000.

Lewis is accused of accompanying Miller and offering to buy the note from a
document examiner employed by attorneys representing JonBenet's parents. The
examiner declined the offer.

The extortion charge centers on allegations that Lewis planned to force
former Boulder police Detective Steve Thomas into an interview about JonBenet
by threatening to publish photographs of Thomas' deceased mother and a story
saying she committed suicide.

The district attorney's office waited to announce Thursday's indictment until
it was filed in court Monday.

Last week, a judge rejected a defense request to block the indictment.
Lawyers for Lewis and the tabloid said the laws being used against him were
unconstitutionally broad and would have a chilling effect on reporters' First
Amendment rights.

A Boulder County grand jury that investigated the Ramsey case ended more than
a year of work in October without an indictment.

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Re: [CTRL] Christ Killer

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http://www.gettingit.com

To see the article (and some cool links and graphics):

  In reply to a post forwarded by Bob Sterling (The Konformist):

In a message dated 99-12-22 16:43:46 EST, Robalini writes:

 Konspira-palooza

 Christ Killer
Shooting down the Jesus myth
BY ROBERT STERLING
[ 12.20.99 ]

snip

 For her stunning allegations, Acharya has gathered a mountain of
evidence that would shake even the most devoted Jesus-lovers. Most
impressive is her comparison of the Jesus tale to that of earlier
savior-gods Krishna and Horus (as well as Mithras, Hercules and
Dionysus, among others.)

Here's a list of some facts on Horus alone: 

He was born of a virgin on December 25th. His birth was announced by an
eastern star and visited by three wise men. He was a child teacher at 12
and was baptized at 30 after disappearing for 18 years (with the priest
who baptized him later decapitated). He had 12 disciples. He performed
miracles, walked on water, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus from
the dead. He was crucified between two thieves, buried three days in a
tomb, and then resurrected. He was given the titles "Messiah," "Son of
Man," the "Good Shepherd," and "Lamb of God." Oh yeah, he was also
called the "Anointed One," spelled out as "KRST." 

NOT A SINGLE STATEMENT made above is TRUE about the Egyptian god Horus!

I've read all, or nearly all, the primary Egyptian source documents, plus
most of the later Greek commentaries on the gods of the Egyptians.  The above
is a total fabrication.

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Re: [CTRL] Kudos to Kris: High Times article

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In a message dated 99-12-21 01:54:05 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thanks. It was quite the process. And what a statement about todays media,
that High Times is the only magazine to have any in depth accounts of a
secret society that George W Bush, a leading contendor for the US presidency,
belongs to.

Things haven't changed in DECADES.  In the '70s and '80s, the ONLY mass-media
outlets that were able to publish articles about government conspiracies and
cover-ups were "PORNO" magazines such as Genesis, Penthouse, and Larry
Flynt's Hustler ...

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Re: [CTRL] [1] Drugs, the U.S., and Khun Sa

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In a message dated 99-12-20 14:41:46 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Anthony Poe was indifferent to the problem. A marine in the Pacific during
World War II, Poe joined the CIA's Special Operations division sometime after
the war and quickly earned a reputation as one of its crack clandestine
warfare operatives in Asia, playing an important role in the CIA's Tibetan
operations. Poe's first assignment in Indochina was with anti-Sihanouk
mercenaries along the Cambodian border in South Vietnam, and in 1963 he was
sent to Laos as chief advisor to General Vang Pao. Several years later he was
transferred to northwestern Laos to supervise Secret Army operations in the
tri-border area and to work with Yao tribesmen.

Old Tony Poe now lives in retirement in the Richmond district of San
Francisco.

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[CTRL] History of Psychological Applications of LSD

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"History of LSD Therapy"

Chapter 1 of "LSD Psychotherapy" by Stanislav Grof MD, 1980,
  Hunter House Publishers, Alameda CA  (ISBN 0-89793-158-0)

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/grofhist.htm

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[CTRL] Johnny Acid-seed, Al Hubbard [1/2]

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  AL HUBBARD -- THE ORIGINAL "CAPTAIN TRIPS"

  by Todd Brendan Fahey

  [This investigative article originally appeared in the
November, 1991, issue of "High Times."]

  Before Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band ... before
Timothy Leary ... before Ken Kesey's band of Merry Pranksters and
their Electric Kool-Aid Acid Tests ... before the dawn of the
Grateful Dead, there was Alfred M. Hubbard: the Original Captain
Trips.
  You will not read about him in the history books. He left
no diary, nor chatty relatives to memorialize him in print. And
if a cadre of associates had not recently agreed to open its
files, Captain Alfred M. Hubbard might exist in death as he did
in life -- a man of mirrors and shadows, revealing himself to
even his closest friends only on a need-to-know basis.
  They called him "the Johnny Appleseed of LSD." He was to
the psychedelic movement nothing less than the membrane through
which all passed to enter into the Mysteries. Beverly Hills
psychiatrist Oscar Janiger once said of Hubbard, "We waited for
him like a little old lady for the Sears-Roebuck catalog."
Waited for him to unlock his ever-present leather satchel loaded
with pharmaceutically-pure psilocybin, mescaline or his personal
favorite, Sandoz LSD-25.
  Those who will talk about Al Hubbard are few. Oscar Janiger
told this writer that "nothing of substance has been written
about Al Hubbard, and probably nothing ever should."
  He is treated like a demigod by some, as a lunatic uncle by
others. But nobody is ambivalent about the Captain: He was as
brilliant as the noonday sun, mysterious as the rarest virus, and
friendly like a golden retriever.
  The first visage of Hubbard was beheld by Dr. Humphry
Osmond, now senior psychiatrist at Alabama's Bryce Hospital. He
and Dr. John Smythies were researching the correlation between
schizophrenia and the hallucinogens mescaline and adrenochrome at
Weyburn Hospital in Saskatchewan, Canada, when an A.M. Hubbard
requested the pleasure of Osmond's company for lunch at the swank
Vancouver Yacht Club.
  Dr. Osmond later recalled, "It was a very dignified place,
and I was rather awed by it. [Hubbard] was a powerfully-built man
... with a broad face and a firm hand-grip. He was also very
genial, an excellent host."
  Captain Hubbard was interested in obtaining some mescaline,
and, as it was still legal, Dr. Osmond supplied him with some.
"He was interested in all sorts of odd things," Osmond laughs.
Among Hubbard's passions was motion. His identity as "captain"
came from his master of sea vessels certification and a stint in
the US Merchant Marine.
  At the time of their meeting in 1953, Al Hubbard owned
secluded Daymen Island off the coast of Vancouver -- a former
Indian colony surrounded by a huge wall of oyster shells. To
access his 24-acre estate, Hubbard built a hangar for his
aircraft and a slip for his yacht from a fallen redwood. But it
was the INNER voyage that drove the Captain until his death in
1982. Fueled by psychedelics, he set sail and rode the great wave
as a neuronaut, with only the white noise in his ears and a fever
in his brain.
  His head shorn to a crew and wearing a paramilitary uniform
with a holstered long-barrel Colt .45, Captain Al Hubbard showed
up one day in '63 on the doorstep of a young Harvard psychologist
named Timothy Leary.
  "He blew in with that uniform ... laying down the most
incredible atmosphere of mystery and flamboyance, and really
impressive bullshit!"
  Leary recalls, "He was pissed off. His Rolls Royce had
broken down on the freeway, so he went to a pay phone and called
the company in London. That's what kind of guy he was. He started
name-dropping like you wouldn't believe ... claimed he was
friends with the Pope."
  Did Leary believe him?
  "Well, yeah, no question."
  The captain had come bearing gifts of LSD, which he wanted
to swap for psilocybin, the synthetic magic mushroom produced by
Switzerland's Sandoz Laboratories. "The thing that impressed me,"
Leary remembers, "is on one hand he looked like a carpetbagger
con man, and on the other he had these most-impressive people
in the world on his lap, basically backing him."
  Among Hubbard's heavyweight cheerleaders was Aldous Huxley,
author of the sardonic novel "Brave New World." Huxley had been
turned on to mescaline by Osmond in '53, an experience that
spawned the seminal psychedelic handbook "The Doors of
Perception." Huxley became an unabashed sponsor for the chemicals
then known as "psychotomimetic" - literally, "madness-mimicking."
 But neither Huxley nor Hubbard nor Osmond experienced
madness,  and Dr. Osmond wrote a rhyme to Huxley one day in the
early 1950s, coining a new word for the English language, and a
credo for the next generation: "To fathom hell or soar angelic /
Just take a pinch of psychedelic."

  * * *

  Those who knew Al Hubbard would describe him 

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[CTRL] Johnny Acid-seed, Al Hubbard [2/2]

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  AL HUBBARD, THE ORIGINAL "CAPTAIN TRIPS"

  by Todd Brendan Fahey
  High Times, Nov. 1991

  cont'd

  Hubbard abandoned his uranium empire and, for the next
decade, traveled the globe as a psychedelic missionary. "Al's
dream was to open up a worldwide chain of clinics as training
grounds for other LSD researchers," says Stolaroff. His first
pilgrimage was to Switzerland, home of Sandoz Laboratories,
producers of both Delysid (trade name for LSD) and psilocybin.
He procured a gram of LSD (roughly 10,000 doses) and set up shop
in a safe-deposit vault in the Zurich airport's duty-free
section. From there he was able to ship quantities of his booty
without a tariff to a waiting world.
  Swiss officials quickly detained Hubbard for violating the
nation's drug laws, which provided no exemption from the
duty-free provision.
  Myron Stolaroff petitioned Washington for the Captain's
release, but the State Department wanted nothing to do with Al
Hubbard.  Oddly, when a hearing was held, blue-suited officials
from the  department were in attendance. The Swiss tribunal
declared Hubbard's passport invalid for five years, and he was
deported. Undeterred, Hubbard traveled to Czechoslovakia, where
he had another gram of LSD put into tablet form by Chemapol --a
division of the pharmaceutical giant Spofa-- and then flew west.
  Procuring a Ph.D. in biopsychology from a
less-than-esteemed academic outlet called Taylor University, the
captain became Dr. Alfred M. Hubbard, clinical therapist. In '57,
he met Ross MacLean, medical superintendent of the Hollywood
Hospital in New Westminster, Canada.  MacLean was so impressed
with Hubbard's knowledge of the human condition that he devoted
an entire wing of the hospital to the study of psychedelic
therapy for chronic alcoholics.
  According to Metcalfe, MacLean was also attracted to the
fact that Hubbard was Canada's sole licensed importer of Sandoz
LSD.  "I remember seeing Al on the phone in his living room one
day.  He was elated because the FDA had just given him IND#1,"
says one Hubbard confidante upon condition of anonymity.
  His Investigational New Drug permit also allowed Hubbard to
experiment with LSD in the USA. For the next few years, Hubbard
--together with Canadian psychiatrist Abram Hoffer and Dr.
Humphry Osmond-- pioneered a psychedelic regimen with a recovery
rate of between 60% and 70% -- far above that of AA or Schick
Hospital's so-called "aversion therapy." Hubbard would lift
mentally-disturbed lifelong alcoholics out of psychosis with a
mammoth dose of liquid LSD, letting them view their destructive
habits from a completely new vantage point.
  "As a therapist, he was one of the best," says Stolaroff,
who worked with Hubbard until 1965 at the International
Federation for Advanced Study in Menlo Park, California, which he
founded after leaving Ampex.
  Whereas many LSD practitioners were content to strap their
patients onto a 3' x 6' cot and have them attempt to perform a
battery of mathematical formulae with a head full of LSD, Hubbard
believed in a comfortable couch and throw pillows. He also
employed icons and symbols to send the experience into a variety
of different directions: someone uptight may be asked to look at
a photo of a glacier, which would soon melt into blissful
relaxation; a person seeking the spiritual would be directed to a
picture of Jesus, and enter into a one-on-one relationship with
the Savior.
  But Hubbard's days at Hollywood Hospital ended in 1957, not
long after they had begun, after a philosophical dispute with
Ross MacLean. The suave hospital administrator was getting fat
from the $1,000/dose fees charged to Hollywood's elite patients,
who  included members of the Canadian Parliament and the American
film community. Hubbard, who believed in freely distributing LSD
for the world good, felt pressured by MacLean to share in the
profits, and ultimately resigned rather than accept an honorarium
for his services.
  His departure came as the Canadian Medical Association was
becoming increasingly suspicious of Hollywood Hospital in the
wake of publicity surrounding MK-ULTRA. The Canadian Citizen's
Commission on Human Rights had already discovered one Dr. Harold
Abramson, a CIA contract psychiatrist, on the board of MacLean's
International Association for Psychedelic Therapy, and external
pressure was weighing on MacLean to release Al Hubbard, the
former OSS officer with suspected CIA links. Compounding
Hubbard's plight was the death of his Canadian benefactor,
leaving Hubbard with neither an income nor the financial cushion
upon which he had become dependent.
  His services were eventually recruited by Willis Harman,
then-Director of the Educational Policy Research Center within
the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) of Stanford University.
Harman employed Hubbard as a security guard for SRI, "although,"
Harman admits, "Al never did anything 

[CTRL] Wisdom's Maw -- MK-ULTRA and LSD

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  "WISDOM'S MAW" - The Story Behind the Story

   by Todd Brendan Fahey
   Author of "Wisdom's Maw," pub'd by Far Gone Books

 "If someone were to take you out -- today -- would anyone
see the book?"

 It was an absurd question. But we live in absurd times, and
so I paused in reflection and took a quick mental inventory of
just how many copies of the manuscript were floating around the
U.S. and England. In the final analysis --including published
excerpts from the book-- there are far too many copies of
"Wisdom's Maw" circulating "out there" to do anything about. For
better or worse, the CIA will have to lie with its mistakes.
 There was a time, though, several years ago, Spring of 1990,
when I found myself worrying about the little things: the car
that had been in my rearview mirror for several miles and many
odd street changes, or the sonar blip somewhere in the bowels of
my phone line to which I could set my watch, or whether this turn
of the ignition key would be the last move I would ever make.
 Democratic Senator Daniel K. Inouye of Hawaii, in a closed
door session of the Senate Intelligence Committee in 1978, deemed
Project MK-ULTRA "the most diabolical experiment imaginable in a
democratic society."
 And from what I know now, from the four-plus years it took
to research and complete "Wisdom's Maw," I would have to agree.
 For over twenty years, several branches of the federal
government of the United States of America --most notably the
Army Chemical Corps, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the
Federal Bureau of Investigation-- sought as their ultimate
objective nothing less than total control over human behavior.
 A little-known chemical compound procured from a Swiss
pharmaceutical firm was to be THE KEY.  Today, of course, we know
the drug as LSD-25.
 It was through my reading of the history of lysergic acid
diethylamide in two works of nonfiction, "Acid Dreams" and
"Storming Heaven," that I decided this epoch in American history
to be worthy of a novel -- a work of fiction with space and time
altered, as if in the powerful throes of an acid trip, and with
the dimensions redrawn to benefit certain human agents who may
have been neglected proportionally by state-approved historians.
Such an art form was the only way to make sense of LSD
 Precisely, it was the coming across the figure of one Alfred
M. Hubbard in "Acid Dreams," in the chapter titled "The Original
Captain Trips," that would throw me headlong into an obsession
that would culminate in the completion of a 77,000-word novel
surrounding Project MK-ULTRA.
 After the buzz settled from my reading of "Acid Dreams," I
immediately set for myself the goal of knowing more about the
man whom Timothy Leary called, "the great, enigmatic triple
agent," than anyone alive. It was during this period of research,
between March of 1990 and the summer of 1991, that the word
"paranoia" became a meaningless abstraction.
 I was, am, and will forever be convinced that Captain Al
Hubbard was a conscious, dedicated agent of the Central
Intelligence Agency, and that his astonishing career as "the
Johnny Appleseed of LSD" was but a pebble on the surface of
MK-ULTRA.
  After dozens of hours of taped conversations with the likes
of Myron Stolaroff, Drs. Humphrey Osmond and Abram Hoffer,
Timothy Leary, and Laura Huxley, wife of the great psychedelic
visionary Aldous Huxley, I was able to deliver to Steve Hager and
John Holmstrom at High Times a long, investigative piece on Al
Hubbard for its November 1991 issue. I was also so convinced of
my being under surveillance, and that the phones at my home and
place of employment (then a Big-Eight law firm) were tapped, that
my wife and I moved abruptly one afternoon from Los Angeles to
Salt Lake City, Utah. ("They" would need to really want to go
after me, I reasoned, to follow me to Utah.)
  It was in the idyll of a huge, old flat with hardwood
floors, just off Temple Square, in the heart of Salt Lake City,
that "Wisdom's Maw" was completed. While in the throes of too
many acid trips, drawing from Freedom of Information Act
sensitive documents, and supported by long breaks between
quarters at Weber State University, where I had been hired to
teach freshman English, I was able to finish off three-quarters
of the novel in about eight weeks (the other one-quarter had
taken four years ... "it must GERMINATE," I kept telling myself
... ).  The excerpting of the book in 1993 by "Utah Holiday," a
now-defunct glossy regional, allowed me to forget about the sound
of footsteps (the phone-blips stopped after leaving L.A.), and
since then, the only concern I have had is the nature of the
baffling silence of virtually every major publisher in New York.
 Author Ernest J. Gaines ("The Autobiography of Miss Jane
Pittman"), who spent time at Stanford in '59-60 with some of the
principals in "Wisdom's Maw," uttered this bottom-line 

Re: [CTRL] Did humans lose a sixth sense?

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 In 1989 I wrote a preliminary-research paper on pheromone reception as a
possible source for a non-visual, non-auditory, non-rational "psychic" sense
I termed "Psmell" (Psi-Smell).  The amount of complex information that a
bloodhound's nose-brain can process out-detectives Sherlock Holmes -- but it
never reaches one's "consciousness,"
which is to say the rational-logical part of the mind -- it "registers," but
OUTSIDE the customary modes of categorization and conceptualization which
give sensory data "meaning," and outside our capacity for MEMORY linked to
those cortical centers.
 This kind of information MAY, however, reach the "non-dominant" right
hemisphere of the brain, which is able to process non- verbal-symbolic
"analog" data from the body.
Typically, pheromones are automatically RESPONDED TO, behaviorally, without
any consciousness of the process.  NON-volitional responses, e.g., autonomic
responses,
are recorded, processed, and "remembered," but in what we term "the
unconscious."
 Such --I argued in my paper-- is the stuff one's "psychic" abilities are
made of ...


"Pheromonal information bypasses the cerebral cortex, going
straight to the amygdala and the hypothalamus, affecting behavior
and altering hormone production."

Neurobiologists Show How
 the Brain Processes Signals from Pheromones

April 15, 1999
News from The Rockefeller University, NY

  Researchers at The Rockefeller University have shown for
the first time in mice how the brain processes signals from
pheromones, essential chemicals used by animals to communicate
with each other. Reported in the April 16 issue of "Cell," the
findings provide the first look at the "wiring diagram" of the
accessory olfactory system and show that it differs dramatically
from the wiring diagram for the main olfactory system, which all
mammals, including humans, use to detect smells.
 "We have elucidated for the first time the wiring diagram of
the accessory olfactory system in mammals, and we have shown that
is more complex than the main olfactory system," says senior
author Peter Mombaerts, M.D., Ph.D., assistant professor and head
of the Laboratory of Vertebrate Developmental Neurogenetics at
Rockefeller. "We think that the complex wiring of the accessory
olfactory system reflects the need for the brain to recognize
blends of molecules, rather than the individual odorant molecules
recognized by the main olfactory system."
  Scientists think the accessory olfactory system, also known
as the vomeronasal system, is involved in animal communication.
Neurons located in a structure called the vomeronasal organ
project their axons to a specialized part of the olfactory bulb
-- the accessory olfactory bulb. The olfactory bulb is the first
relay station of the olfactory system, where information is
collected, integrated and processed. When the vomeronasal organ
is removed from animals, they undergo profound changes in mating
behavior and aggression.
  In the "Cell" paper, Ivan Rodriguez, Ph.D., and Paul
Feinstein, Ph.D., along with Mombaerts used genetic manipulation
techniques to determine the wiring diagram of the accessory
olfactory system and found pronounced differences from the
diagram of the main olfactory system.
  First, the researchers found that all the neurons that
express the same pheromone receptor project their axons to
multiple targets in the accessory olfactory bulb, called
glomeruli. There are about 15 glomeruli in all, compared to only
two in the main olfactory bulb. Second, the positions of the
glomeruli in the accessory olfactory bulb are variable, whereas
in the main olfactory bulb the positions are fixed.
  "One could argue that the variable positions of the
glomeruli in the accessory olfactory bulb may be accounted for by
differences among the mice: they are all genetically slightly
different," says Mombaerts. "But this variability is also clear
between the two accessory olfactory bulbs of the same animal: the
left- and the right-hand sides are not symmetrical."
  The researchers showed that when the pheromone receptor
gene is knocked out, the projection pattern is very different.
  "The neurons seem to go all over the place, suggesting that
the receptor need to be expressed to make proper connections,"
explains Mombaerts.
  Mombaerts says that "as an encore," they replaced by
genetic manipulation the pheromone receptor with an odorant
receptor from the main olfactory system. The researchers found
that even with an odorant receptor, the neurons projected their
axons to another set of numerous glomeruli, in a complex and
variable pattern.
  "These last two experiments suggest that the pheromone
receptor is involved in setting up the wiring diagram, and
strangely enough, its function can be substituted by a molecule
whose function is totally unrelated," says Mombaerts.
  In fact, Mombaerts says, the two receptors share only one
thing in common: both 

[CTRL] Epidemic of Malpractice at VA Hospitals

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Report Details Medical Errors

.c The Associated Press


NEW YORK (AP) - Federal investigators have documented almost 3,000 medical
mistakes and mishaps in less than two years at veterans hospitals around the
country, and more than 700 patients have died in those cases, The New York
Times reported.

The Department of Veterans Affairs says in a new report the accidents and
deaths occurred from June 1997 to December 1998, in the first 19 months of a
new policy that requires employees to report medical errors and ``adverse
events.''

The problems include medication errors, like prescribing or dispensing the
wrong drugs, the failure of medical devices, abuse of patients, errors in
blood transfusions and surgery on the wrong body part or the wrong patient,
the Times reported Sunday.

The comprehensive self-examination by the department is believed to be the
first of its kind by any health care system in the nation and shows what
could be expected if all hospitals had to report their errors, as recommended
recently by the National Academy of Sciences, the Times said.

The Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences, said
last month that medical errors killed 44,000 to 98,000 people a year in
hospitals alone. More people die from medical mistakes each year than from
highway accidents, breast cancer or AIDS, it said.

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[CTRL] Equal Time for Greek Gods

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Greek Gods Group Threatens Plans

By PATRICK QUINN

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - Mythology recounts how the goddess Athena defeated the
sea king Poseidon for possession of this city. The modern followers of the
Greek gods are ready for another showdown.

This time it's against a force that could make even Zeus quiver: the hype and
pageantry of welcoming the millennium.

A small but passionate group of devotees to the 12 Olympian gods claim it's
sacrilegious to mix the ancient temples with celebrations marking 2,000 years
of Christianity, and have threatened to take the Culture Ministry to court if
it allows Christian hymns to be sung inside the Parthenon on New Year's Eve.

``The Parthenon, temple to Athena, is a sacred place of Greek religion,''
said Nikolaos Tziotis, secretary of the Committee for the Recognition of the
Greek Religion of the 12 Gods. ``It is the greatest blasphemy for songs of
another religion to be heard there and we will not allow it.''

Tziotis and others also have denounced plans for a light show that will
include beams radiating from the 2,500-year-old Parthenon.

``It wants to turn the sacred temple of Athena into a Christmas tree,'' said
screenwriter Manolis Tsamis, who drafted a protest letter.

The Culture Ministry says it is aware of the objections, but does not plan to
cancel or significantly alter the extravaganza. It did, however, shift plans
for a Byzantine choir from outside the Parthenon to the entrance to the
Acropolis.

``The decision satisfies us,'' Panaghiotis Marinis, president of the Greek
Society of the Friends of the Ancients, said Friday.

Christianity took hold in Greece in the 4th century after Roman Emperor
Constantine's conversion. Emperor Theodosius wiped out the last vestige of
the Olympian gods when he abolished the Olympic Games in 394. The revival of
the Olympiad maintains a thin - albeit commercialized - link to ancient
ceremonies.

A core of about 1,000 people in Greece try to maintain a spiritual connection
with the ancients. Modern followers say they seek to build a general outlook
drawn from Greek philosophers and a love of nature.

``We don't walk down the street in togas,'' said Tsamis. ``We gather in
philosophical companies and associations.''

But the powerful Greek Orthodox Christian Church dismisses them as a ``New
Age'' clan. The government has put on hold their application to become an
officially recognized religion because they don't have a formal place of
worship.

Ironically, the ancient ones won't do.

``They don't belong to us,'' Marinis said. ``They belong to the archeological
service.''

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[CTRL] The Zimbabwe Solution

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Mugabe: I'll Take Land From Whites

By ANGUS SHAW

HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) - President Robert Mugabe vowed to seize land from
whites and not pay them anything for it as the government had previously
promised.

``We have waited long enough and now is the time to take back our land,''
Mugabe said Saturday night at a ruling party convention. He said his party
would scrap the constitution's ``stupid clause'' that guarantees compensation
to landowners.

Mugabe's new position is likely to estrange his government further from
international investors, Western donor nations and financial institutions
supporting market-led reforms in the ailing economy of this southern African
country.

Mugabe told delegates of his Zimbabwe African National Union Patriotic Front
that Zimbabwe's 12.5 million blacks could not achieve economic goals as long
as the 60,000-strong white community controlled large tracts of land and
dominated the nation's industry and commerce. Under the plan, landless blacks
would be settled on the seized farms

``Without land, there is neither economic development nor empowerment,'' he
said. He justified his move by saying that British settlers ``seized our land
from us, our ancestors, and no compensation was paid. It was taken for
nothing.''

About 4,000 white farmers, mostly the descendants of British settlers, own
about a third of the country's productive land. Known as Rhodesia, Zimbabwe
was a British colony before independence in 1980.

Since 1980, the state has bought more than 2,000 white farms for
resettlement, but the program has been plagued by mismanagement and
corruption. Only about 70,000 black families have been resettled, less than
half the target of 160,000 families.

Until 1992, the bill of rights in the constitution allowed for land
acquisition only under ``willing seller-willing buyer'' deals. But the ruling
party subsequently passed laws that permitted the government to seize farms
but pay compensation related to the properties' market value.

The constitutional clause that guarantees compensation for appropriated land
could be scrapped in a revised national constitution that is to be put to a
referendum next year ahead of parliamentary elections.

Opposition groups accuse Mugabe of using land seizures as a ploy to distract
attention from worsening economic hardships.

Last year, soaring prices blamed on economic mismanagement triggered food
riots that forced Mugabe deploy troops to quell civil unrest for the first
time since independence.

Labor unrest and a series of strikes continued in 1999 as inflation spiraled
to a record 70 percent. With hundreds of businesses shutting down,
unemployment reached 50 percent.

About 7,000 delegates from across the nation attended the five-day ruling
party convention.

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[CTRL] Metropolis Built on Shaky Ground

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 The "lemming" instinct, or a collective death-wish, must drive
"Civilization."
 "The zones of greatest earthquake risk contain half the world's largest
cities."


Scientists Release Earthquake Map

By MATTHEW FORDAHL

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Much of the world's population lives on potentially
shaky ground, scientists said after releasing the first map detailing the
entire planet's earthquake hazard zones.

The ominously colorful document offers few surprises: Southern California,
southeastern Hawaii, Turkey, Taiwan, Iceland and the India-China border are
most likely to experience strong shaking in the future.

``Active tectonics make outstanding scenery and people want to live there,''
said Kaye Shedlock of the U.S. Geological Survey. ``You just have to
recognize what your hazards are.''

The map, developed by 500 scientists over seven years, offers developing
countries new information that can be used to update or establish building
codes. Some nations in Africa, for example, never compiled such data.

``We can say today that as a result of this program, more than half the
countries of the world have a new generation of seismic hazard maps,'' said
Domenico Giardini of the Swiss Seismological Service in Zurich.

As much as 15 percent of the planet's land is in zones of high or very high
hazard, which is defined as a 10 percent chance or greater of violent shaking
within the next 50 years, Shedlock said. Roughly 40 percent of the Earth's
land is considered low hazard.

Specifically, the map attempts to predict the probability of peak ground
acceleration, a force that is most likely to damage low-rise residential
buildings. Future maps are being compiled that will detail hazard areas for
larger structures like high-rises.

``This map only provides part of the story,'' Giardini said. ``You can easily
live in a high-risk area if you have a well-built house.''

In most cases, the hazardous areas are near faults that define the boundaries
of the Earth's tectonic plates. Entire continents and oceans ride on the
plates, which grind against, smash into or separate from each other,
producing quakes and volcanoes.

In California, the San Andreas Fault slices through the state where the
Pacific and North American plates meet. Turkey, which has been devastated by
several large quakes this year, is at the juncture of the Eurasian, African
and Arabian plates.

One of the largest red marks is along the India-China border, where India is
literally smashing into Asia, producing the still-growing Himalayas, the
tallest mountains in the world.

Hawaii, however, is a different story. The island in the middle of the
Pacific plate is prone to large quakes caused by underground volcano-related
collapses.

The greatest hazard areas, colored red or brown on the map, contain half the
world's largest cities. Efforts are now under way to determine exactly how
many people live in the most dangerous areas.

It will be up to individual governments to determine how to use the new
information. Developments planned in the most hazardous areas should receive
the closest scrutiny, the geologists said.

``If we've done our job right, the end result of this is going to be a lot
more detailed site-specific hazard maps,'' Shedlock said.

The map project was launched in 1992 by the International Lithosphere Program
with support from the United Nations' International Decade for Natural
Disaster Reduction. It was unveiled Dec. 14 at the fall meeting of the
American Geophysical Union here.

Researchers combined existing hazard maps, data from recent and historical
quakes as well as other records that stretch back 2,000 years. Biblical
passages were used for parts of the Middle East.

The work was easy in the United States, where the law requires hazard maps to
be updated every five years. It was much more difficult in less developed
countries, Giardini said.

The seismic hazards map can be accessed online at
http://seismo.ethz.ch/GSHAP/

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Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

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Wow.  At least two people (notably John H. Taylor and Robert Tatman) jumped
in with the correct response, in BALLPARK terms, but NEITHER zeroed in on the
RELEVANT passages in the Old Testament regarding the UGLINESS of the
"Suffering Servant" -- allegedly Jesus Christ, as Biblical "prophecy" sees
it.  And predictably, even the correct passages in Mr Taylor's post, from
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/j4j-2000/index.html, SKIP OVER the relevant
verses, OBFUSCATING the entire issue beneath a numbing smokescreen of
secondary pious "interpretation" and cross-references.  How typical!

Okay, let's look right at the statements in question, used to argue that the
"Messiah" or "Christ" was or will be UGLY, and was SHUNNED for his ugliness
and/or his "disease."
(Taylor's post is included at the end, so you can watch our AVOIDANCE of the
fact.)


 Isaiah 52:13-15 and 53:2-6 et seq., KING JAMES translation:

52:13  Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be
exalted and extolled, and be very high.
52:14  As many were astonied at thee; HIS VISAGE WAS SO MARRED
MORE THAN ANY MAN, and HIS FORM [MARRED] MORE THAN THE SONS OF
MEN:
52:15  So shall he sprinkle many nations; THE KINGS SHALL SHUT
THEIR MOUTHS AT HIM: for that which had not been told them shall
they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
...

53:2  For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant and as a
root, out of a dry ground: HE HATH NO FORM NOR COMELINESS; and
WHEN WE SHALL SEE HIM, THERE IS NO BEAUTY that we should DESIRE
him.
53:3  He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and
acquainted with grief: and WE HID AS IT WERE OUR FACES FROM HIM;
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
53:4  Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and
afflicted.
53:5  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was
bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was
upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every
one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of
us all.



From the HEBREW (Masoretic text), literally translated into English:

52:13  Watch, my servant who shall minister wisely will be lifted
up and held high, greatly -- as (great) as the 'disfigurement'
[MShChTh] of his appearance among (other) men and of his form
among (other) human beings -- to the astonishment of many.
52:14  Thus he 'sprinkles' [=a "purifying" gesture] many (other)
nations -- (Because) on (seeing} him, kings will be speechless,
since they will be witnessing something they had never been told
about and contemplating (something) they had never heard of.
...

53:2  (He was) without stature or attractiveness that might cause
anyone to notice him, and without impressive appearance that
might cause anyone to admire him.
53:3  (He was) despised and rejected by people, a man of woes,
having much experience of pain.  Others averted their eyes
from him in disgust, not seeing anything worthwhile in him.
53:4  (But) even while we regarded {him} as (one whom) God had
punished (as if) with the plague and misforune, (it was) really
OUR pain he held high and OUR woes he carried around.
53:5   He was humiliated by OUR misdeeds, (he was) tormented from
OUR wickedness.  In him (there existed) an offense to our peace
of mind, so by 'whipping' HIM, (we) felt OURSELVES 'restored.'
53:6   (We are) all like sheep gone astray, (every) man having
turned aside his eyes to {pursue} his (own) course -- but through
HIM, YHWH has made us encounter the wickedness in all of US.

_

KJV 53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened
not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a
sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
KJV 53:8  He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who
shall declare his generation?  for he was cut off out of the land
of the living: for the transgression of my people was he
stricken.
KJV 53:9  And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the
rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was
any deceit in his mouth.
KJV 53:10  Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him
to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he
shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure
of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
KJV 53:11  He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify
many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
KJV 53:12  Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath
poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the
transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession
for the transgressors.

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

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In a message dated 99-12-18 13:48:57 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Beauty of the physical entity is not the most desired.
It is more the beauty within that is to be desired.

An appropriate thing to consider in this day of media-manufactured "beautiful
people," when no one is "real" to us unless they've appeared on TV, and
everyone who appears on TV --especially heads of state and social lions-- is
subject to extensive makeovers, wardrobe advice, voice coaches, acting
lessons, and the help of public relations firms.
The death of Princess Di got more airtime on TV and column inches in the
press than Mother Theresa for the simple reason that she was photogenic and
the old nun wasn't.
It's a "miracle" that aging, frail, sometimes drooly Pope John Paul II --who
STILL, or so I've heard, gets made up for the cameras) even gets his face in
the news nowadays ...

What's external to the person --physical appearance and "image"-- might be
the most superficial and least character-based of human attributes, but it's
certainly become the most marketable, just another "product" in a world
running on sales of "commodities."
The true spiritual worth of a person is something that can't be SEEN, but
even worse, because of that fact, it can't be SOLD!  Conversely, what CAN be
seen --what might APPEAR to be "spiritual worth"-- IS "bought and sold" --
and should be questioned ...
So, without even considering the quirky possibility that a Messiah or the
Christ might in fact be "ugly," you're right about the fabled "beauty" of
Lucifer, Satan, the Antichrist, or whoever.-- if the Devil himself ever
wanted to deceive the whole world, all for the profit of EVIL, you can bet
that he'd beat "God" hands-down in today's arena of mass-media ...

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Re: [CTRL] Neo-Liberal Wins Re-Election in SF

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In a message dated 99-12-15 23:26:42 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

San Francisco is not a real place.

If only that were true ...

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Re: [CTRL] The Third Reich of Dreams

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In a message dated 99-12-16 00:18:31 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have the issue of Paranoia that this piece is in and it is a good one.
Highly recommended.  The article is a study of dreams that were recorded by
those living in the Third Reich at the time, quite interesting philosophical
and metaphysical angle on the whole shebang.

I haven't read the article or post yet, so forgive me if I ask if it includes
those ominous premonitory dreams of Carl Gustav Jung's German patients,
experienced before the Reich erupted?  I recall reading (I forget in which
volume of his works) that, sampling the patients' archetypal dreams, Jung
foresaw that Germany was headed for a collective "psychotic episode," the
whole nation "possessed" by a maniacal Wotan-like "god" ...

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Re: [CTRL] [0] Syndicate Abroad ruminations

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In a message dated 99-12-15 22:16:13 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

By the oddist twist of events, I was in Havana the weekend before
Castro came down from the hills (He arrived in Havana on Monday
and I left Sunday afternoon)and it was my impression that the
people of Cuba were really behind him just about 100%.

I sometimes wonder if this wasn't the PURPOSE of America's "anti-Communism"
in the Cold War era.  As a result of our support for repressive fascist
dictators, America made the people of the Third World think of Communism as
something of an improvement ...  That sentiment was then used to justify a
"need" for greater support of "our" fascists, until, at the appropriate
moment of optimum resistance ... voila! ...the rug is pulled out from under
any possible ALTERNATIVE "utopia," leaving only the same old feudalist
Capitalism now surrounded by a halo promising even GREATER "utopian" fantasies
of --Marx now wearing pinstripes, carrying a laptop-- a utilitarian "workers'
paradise."

Likewise, I wonder if Castro --whom WE trained, before he "betrayed" (?) us--
wasn't the first in a long succession of bogus "Satans" (Noriega, Saddam,
etc) secretly on the CIA payroll, somehow never --despite our government's
best military actions OR covert op-- ever successfully "overthrown"  --
because they're far more useful to us IN POWER, as "Goldstein" types (see
Orwell's "1984"), conveniently justifying American foreign policy that would
otherwise be all too clearly seen as colonial-imperialist, international
finance profit-oriented, and as FASCIST in nature.  (Behind Castro stood the
SOVIET "enemy," but since the fall of Communism, notice the shift of ideology
in a Noriega or a Saddam.
So actually, by this logic, it wouldn't be surprising if the "Free" World
INVENTED and secretly funded "Communism," the ultimate "Goldstein" in a
Hegelian puppet-show ...
But I guess that's not new "conspiracy theory," noting how the creators of
"Capitalism"
in Britain's Royal Society in the 18th Century covertly supported the first
"Socialists" in rival would-be empire France ...For CLIENT states of
Capitalism, an only-theoretical "Communist" social order certainly makes for
better slaves domestically, even more deluded about who their real masters
are -- i.e., their masters' ULTIMATE Masters ...)

What if the exorbitant profits of CRIME so *outpaced* the profits from LAWFUL
activity
that, after a few decades, they were sufficient to finance a slow "hostile
takeover" of all legitimate economic institutions, particularly those
operating on a "global" scale, like the multinationals and their "political
administrators," the NGOs of the ha "NWO"?
When they SUCCEEDED in this --a global "coup" by the Mafia-- how could we
TELL?
Seems to me, we'd be presented with conditions such as exist NOW all around
us ...

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Re: [CTRL] June: Market crash and martial law

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In a message dated 99-12-16 07:25:30 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I'm referring to people following the advice you all give:
if they do, they will bring about the very thing you fear...

Or do you?  I always hear an undertone of glee in all of you Chicken
Little's predictions...

Ah, how perceptive of you ...  Yes, we "doomsayers" dearly HOPE for the
catastrophic conditions we "warn" you of, because --and I'm sorry if I'll
have to break ranks with my class and let the cat out of the bag-- CHAOS is
more conducive to LIBERTY than any known form of "ORDER" has been.
"Anarchy," not "organization," is man's NATURAL state, and it worked
perfectly well for everyone (except predators) for 40 thousand years -- until
those sociopathic con men called our "leaders" gained an unfair edge with
secret weapons, back in the Bronze and Iron Age.  On to a new Golden Age, I
say, through the ONLY opportunities for FREEDOM that we will EVER be
permitted, in the "Kali Yuga"!

Hail Eris!   [Written with tongue in cheek, but I wonder ... My jaw is
clenched too ...]

"Those who would sacrifice LIBERTY for SECURITY deserve NEITHER" --Ben
Franklin

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Re: [CTRL] (1-7) Legally Piggily

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Very refreshing.  My thanks to Bob Stokes for posting some good Bucky Fuller.

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Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

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In a message dated 99-12-14 13:52:52 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Actually, there is a sort of underground tradition, mostly in the later New
Testament apocrypha, that Jesus was in fact an ugly man ...

That tradition seems to have originated with one of the seldom-quoted Old
Testament "prophecies" regarding the coming of the Messiah, therein called, I
believe, the "man of sorrows."  When correctly translated from the original
Hebrew, it describes him as a man totally lacking in physical attractveness,
even ugly, AND as socially rejected for his appearance, like a thorn among
roses or whatever.  (It's been treated as "just a metaphor" by Christians who
know of it, but the description in context is a literal one, and, apart from
the desire to make the Savior one of the "beautiful people," there's no other
reason to doubt it being a simple statement of fact.  To sidestep the
implications of that conclusion, in fact, some Biblicists even resort to a
Talmudic sleight of hand, claiming that "prophecy" refers not to the One Yet
to Come but to MOSES long ago.
My OWN understanding, for what it's worth, is that it refers to NEITHER and
is not a "prophecy" at all but describes an historic person, a "failed"
Messiah ca. 400 BC.)

If no one else comes forward first with the passage in question, which I seem
to recall is found in Second Isaiah, I'll look it up when I have more time
and post it here myself.

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Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

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In a message dated 99-12-14 14:08:00 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This is also why historians often disagree about the authenticity of Paul's
writings, and often renounce his writings,  because the handwriting varies
in more than one copy of the manuscript notations.

Beg to differ.  No manuscript of any book in the New Testament is --or ever
was, in historical times-- in the "author's" own hand.  All were copies of
copies of copies, ad infinitum, of scribes.  Also, historians dispute the
authenticity of several of "Paul's" writings not because of any graphological
differences but because of rather glaring differences in the criteria used
for determining authorship -- vocabulary, grammar, mode of exposition, in
short "style."  Shakespeare did not write or think like Hemingway.

For my next two cents, I've read all the best scholarly studies of Paul, and
the honest conclusion is that no one knows what Paul's "defect" was.  There
aren't any "outside"  sources in history, even in the Church, that described
his appearance.  All we have to work with is the internal evidence Paul
himself gives in his writings, and those are not specific at all, beyond
references to some "thorn in his side," physically or behaviorally, which
tended to disrupt his self-control, leading to results he considered
"sinful."  The consensus is that, IF it even WAS a PHYSICAL problem, it may
have been epilepsy.

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Re: [CTRL] Hoffmans Oklahoma book ordered destroyed

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 In the past, if a book contained "libelous" inaccuracies, the publisher
deleted the offending section and re-issued the book in a second edition
without those sections.
An example that comes to mind is Ed Sanders' "The Family," whose first
printing contained a chapter that credited The Process Church of the Final
Destruction as influencing Charles Manson's worldview and by implicastion
sullied the reputation of the legally-powerful Church of Scientology.  The
second edition, and all later printings, do not include that "libellous"
chapter (which nevertheless I still have in my possession, xeroxed from a
first edition found in a used bookstore).  That's the way it USED to go.

 NOWADAYS, however, the ENTIRE book is trashed and public access is
denied.
(In the UK, government agents searched for even USED copies of "Alternative
Three" in second-hand bookstores and went so far as to raid the homes of
persons known to possess a copy.  I knew one writer in Scotland who had a
friend who collected copies after it was "withdrawn."  An armed ATF-style
team kicked in the door of his garage,
seized stacks of the book, and departed, without arresting him or even
apologizing ..)

Rather than doing as before, publishers meekly kowtow to the threats of
lawyers in the pocket of the political Powers That Be.  Yet the process of
re-typesetting and reprinting a book is easier and less costly than it used
to be -- But pulping an entire first run of a "controversial" book without
re-issuing it --even at the cost of LOSING PROFITS (!)-- is  so much more
HELPFUL to the agenda of our Orwellian wannabee "information czars" ..

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Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

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In a message dated 99-12-14 15:13:01 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Let me ask you this ... if there are not manuscripts and or written notes
and or notations,  who did the King James Committee copy their works from?
It is my understanding that there are five copies of the Septuagint in
various hands over the world.  I've seen one copy with my own eyes about 20
years ago.  These seem to reflect what is written,  to the "T",  in what is
commonly called the King James Bible.

 The KJV translators did not rely on the Septuagint, which is a
frequently iffy Greek translation of ONLY the Old Testament, often
disagreeing with the Hebrew original.
(And I just happen to have on my shelves the full text of the Septuagint in
the original, and a word-for-word literal translation into English, plus a
concordance for its Greek.)
The Septuagint as it has come down to us includes numerous textual
interpolations --made apparently by early Greek-speaking Christians-- and
deliberate MIS-translations of the Hebrew found without exception in OLDER
texts of the Old Testament.

 The KJV committee used the "Textus Receptus," a combination of the five
most authoritative MSS. of the NEW Testament [in existence up to the 16th
Century, that is -- more were found LATER in history] in Greek, compiled by
Dutch churchman Erasmus a century before, and the canonic ("Masoretic") text
of the OLD Testament in HEBREW.
 Along with more than a little guidance in noting how St Jerome far
earlier translated both of those languages into Latin  ...

 Read (especially the closing sections) what the KJV translators
THEMSELVES explained in their OWN Preface:
http://www4.autoelect.com/BKJ/preface.htm

 And for a look at the occasionally "unholy," crudely POLITICAL "hidden
agenda" of the overseers of King James' translation, and of some of the chief
translators, see:
 http://www.dtl.org/versions/article/king-james.htm

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[CTRL] EU Heads of State Will Roll ...

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Reuters World News highlights 1000 GMT Dec 15

PARIS - An investigating magistrate has ordered former French Finance
Minister Dominique Strauss-Kahn to be formally probed on suspicion of
``falsifying documents and using falsified documents,'' judicial sources
said.


Missing million raises German sleaze specter

By Douglas Busvine

BERLIN (Reuters) - The scene could have come out of a low-budget thriller.
Three men meet in a supermarket parking lot in Switzerland. One, an arms
dealer, hands over a suitcase with a political ``donation'' of one million
marks ($520,000).

One of those who receive the money runs an accounting firm that handles
payments for Germany's then-ruling party, the Christian Democrats (CDU). The
other is the party's treasurer and a long-serving aide to the then-Chancellor
Helmut Kohl.

The 1991 donation came from a German defense company that had just received
government approval to export 36 armored cars to Saudi Arabia, which was
seeking to boost its armed forces following the Gulf War.

But the money never arrived in the party's coffers. And now, eight years
later, Germany's scandal of the missing million threatens to blow up into the
kind of affair that has shaken political life and decimated the political
caste in some other European countries in recent years.

All the ingredients are there: tenacious prosecutors, an inquisitive press,
angry voters and nervous politicians.

``This case is of the highest intransparency,'' Michael Wiehen, head of the
German chapter of anti-corruption campaign group Transparency International,
told Reuters. ``It confirms the public's impression that the party has ridden
roughshod over it.''

KOHL ADMITS COMPLICITY

Kohl, who dominated the CDU as party leader for a quarter of a century before
he was ousted in last year's general election, admitted this week that he ran
secret accounts to fund his conservative party but left much more unsaid.

His dramatic confession of complicity in the political funding scandal
prompted Germans to demand more details and left his  party racing to contain
any electoral backlash.

Last week Kohl told the Reichstag the charges were ``slander'' and called for
a quick parliamentary inquiry to clear his name. But former aides confirmed
revelations by prosecutors and reporters digging into what could be Germany's
biggest scandal since the notorious ``Flick'' affair of the 1980s.

It started harmlessly enough when Augsburg state prosecutors launched a tax
investigation into the affairs of former CDU treasurer Walther Leisler Kiep,
whom they initially suspected of pocketing the million marks.

But it turned out that Kiep had paid some of the money to a party worker who
was retiring -- and who even paid tax on the bonus. Horst Weyrauch, the
accountant accompanying Kiep to the parking lot rendezvous, said he received
an additional share.

The rest, prosecutors suspect, was kept by Kiep, who was in financial trouble
after getting a hefty legal bill for his successful defense in a trial linked
to the Flick affair -- a scandal in which the leading political parties
accepted illicit donations from a German industrialist.

The investigation exposed the CDU's practice of using secret trustee accounts
to launder cash donated anonymously and then distribute it to buy the
personal loyalty of local party chiefs to Kohl, the Sueddeutsche Zeitung
daily said.

Under German financing rules, the name of anyone donating more than 20,000
marks must be published in party accounts. Of 218 million marks the CDU
raised in 1997, only 34 million came from donations. Most of the rest came
from membership dues and state funding, according to figures published by
parliament.

The CDU's former No. 2, Heiner Geissler, confirmed the details uncovered by
the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, saying he had clashed repeatedly with Kohl on the
matter before he was fired as the party's general secretary in 1989. Geissler
said Kohl had not profited personally from the accounts but he urged the
former leader to clear up the matter as quickly as possible.

'MORE AND MORE DANGEROUS FOR THE CDU'

``It is getting more and more dangerous for the CDU with new revelations
coming out every few days,'' he told the newspaper. ``We need to come clean
with the whole thing quickly.''

Augsburg prosecutors have also launched a tax investigation into the affairs
of the children of Franz-Josef Strauss, a dominant figure in postwar politics
and leader of Bavaria's Christian Social Union, linked to payments by arms
dealer Karlheinz Schreiber, who handed over the million marks.

Strauss' children, one of whom is a minister in the current Bavarian CSU-run
government, have denied any wrongdoing. Germany is seeking to extradite
Schreiber, also suspected of tax evasion, from Canada.

Another key player in the armored car deal, Ludwig-Holger  Pfahls, then state
secretary at the defense ministry and former head of Germany's domestic
security service, has disappeared in Asia after 

[CTRL] BCCI Evidence-Tampering

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Mistrial declared in case of failed BCCI bank

NEW YORK, Dec. 14 (Reuters) - For the second time this year, jurors could not
reach a verdict and a judge declared a mistrial on Tuesday in the case of a
British lawyer accused of evidence tampering at the bankrupt Bank of Credit
and Commerce International.

``Our positions have hardened. We are irrevocably deadlocked, not
withstanding readbacks of testimony and looking at exhibits,'' the note to
Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Ronald Zweibel said.

David Sandy, 44, a partner of Simmons  Simmons, among London's largest law
firms, was charged with concealing the business diary of the chief executive
at BCCI. He was also accused of conspiracy for allegedly trying to keep the
CEO's business diary from a grand jury investigating the bank.

BCCI was charged with massive fraud, drug money laundering, bribery and
illegally acquiring U.S. banks. Losses to depositors and creditors were
estimated at $10 billion. The bank pleaded guilty to laundering drug money in
1990. A year later, regulators shut the bank down.

The bank had operations in 70 countries with major centres in London, Abu
Dhabi and the Caribbean banking haven of the Cayman Islands.

Sandy represented the bank's majority shareholders in London, including
members of the royal family of the United Arab Emirate of Abu Dhabi and Abu
Dhabi government agencies.

In April, after a seven week trial, jurors deadlocked after three days of
contentious deliberations and a mistrial was declared. The retrial began Oct.
25. Jurors got the case on Dec. 8 and deliberated four days. The final vote
was 11 to 1 for conviction.

``We expect to retry the case,'' a spokeswoman for Manhattan District
Attorney Robert Morgenthau said.

Prosecutors charged that Sandy hid the computer business diary of BCCI chief
executive Zafar Iqbal and ordered it copied and destroyed. But Sandy's lawyer
told jurors his client neither saw or touched the computer.

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[CTRL] Dow Jones Rides on Drug Money

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 "'The United States has, according to all credible estimates, become the
largest repository of ill-gotten gains in the world,'' a Brookings Institute
expert said, noting that the flow of corrupt money from developing economies
into the U.S. and Europe is estimated at as high as 40 billion dollars per
year."


Moneylaunderers using U.S. banks to conceal dirty money

.c Kyodo News Service

WASHINGTON, Dec. 14 (Kyodo) - By: Keiji Urakami Private banking is a
profitable, fast-growing business in the U.S. banking industry but it has
also been a hotbed for moneylaundering by drug cartels, tax evaders and
profiteers.

Private banking, established for catering to those with minimum investable
assets of 1 million dollars, offers an all-inclusive, personalized money
management service including investment portfolio management, financial
planning advice, custodial services, bill payment and fund transfers.

Such services almost always involve a high level of confidentiality about
customer information, a feature that makes private banking attractive to
moneylaunderers.

''Private banking is attractive to those (drug smugglers and other criminals)
because it sells secrecy, the very service a moneylaunderer wants,'' said
Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat.

When Raul Salinas, the brother of then Mexican President Carlos Salinas,
became a client of Citibank in 1992, Amy Elliot, the New York bank's Mexico
team leader, was named his relationship manager.

''Raul Salinas was referred to me by one of our most valued clients who
personally brought him to the bank in New York,'' Elliot said recently in
Washington.

Salinas established a personal investment company to hold his investments and
the shares of the company were owned by a trust, Elliot said, noting this was
a standard account structure in the private banking industry.

Such an account structure provides for confidentiality and also allows for
efficient tax and estate planning, benefiting many Mexicans who have become
increasingly sensitive about the confidentiality of financial information
because they were frequently the targets of kidnapping and other violent
crimes in the past.

Salinas initially deposited 2 million dollars and started to put up larger
amounts of money in mid-1993. Elliot said Citibank felt ''completely
comfortable'' accepting his additional deposits because the bank knew his
wealth had grown from a number of sources, including the sale of his
construction company.

''The activity in the account never appeared suspicious to me in any way. In
fact, it was quite the opposite. It seemed entirely consistent with what I
know about Raul and his family,'' she said.

Elliot said, ''The public's perception of the Salinas name today, however, is
very different than it was when I first met Raul Salinas.''

Raul Salinas was later accused of laundering more than 100 million dollars of
drug money through banks in Switzerland and other countries.

Drug kingpins and global thugs thrive because moneylaundering is easy, and
moneylaundering is easy because an illegal flight capital is cultivated and
maintained, said Raymond Baker of the Brookings Institution's Economic
Studies Program.

''The United States has, according to all credible estimates, become the
largest repository of ill-gotten gains in the world,'' Baker said, noting
that the flow of corrupt money from developing and transitional economies
into the U.S. and Europe is estimated at as high as 40 billion dollars per
year.

''As destructive as these tides are, however, they are aided by both U.S.
public policies and private practices,'' he said.

Competition to serve the affluent market of the banking sector has
intensified, with players now including nonbank financial institutions as
well as commercial banks.

Richard Small, assistant director of the Federal Reserve's Division of
Banking Supervision and Regulation, said there are about 4,000 financial
entities competing worldwide in the market with no one organization currently
commanding more than 2.5% of the estimated available business.

The private banking market, at 17 trillion dollars globally, is estimated to
grow at two to three times the pace of the overall consumer banking market in
the near future, he said.

Private banking services have become increasingly vulnerable to illegal
moneylaundering by the criminal elite, and that has cast a dark shadow over
the industry.

Antonio Giraldi, a former private banking officer, told a recent
congressional hearing that foreign political figures, military leaders and
their families have established private banking relationships with U.S.
banks, many of them using funds that were later identified as ''tainted.''

To be competitive, these banks had to extend the treatment and services
private banking clients had come to expect from foreign banks in return for
the promise of their deposits, said Giraldi, who was convicted of
moneylaundering and is now serving a 10-year prison 

[CTRL] '90s Sequel to the SL Scandal ?

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 Tip of the iceberg all across America ...


U.S. agents crack $29-mln mortgage fraud in Florida

MIAMI (Reuters) - A Florida fraud ring that included a mortgage lender, a
loan officer and a real estate appraiser secured more than $29 million in
fraudulent mortgage loans by duping banks and lenders, U.S. authorities said
Thursday.

The suspects misrepresented the value of properties they were buying and used
collusive ``straw buyers'' to flip the real estate at inflated prices,
according to a 45-count federal indictment stemming from a 19-month
investigation code-named ''Operation Flipper.''

Nine suspects were charged with violations of U.S. wire fraud laws,
conspiracy, making false statements to banks and money laundering. Some of
the charges carry maximum sentences of 30 years in prison and fines up to $1
million.

The group's alleged ringleader, James Christenson, 33, of Fort Lauderdale,
contracted to buy more than 200 properties and assigned the properties to
another suspect, Howard Kratenstein, 36, of Fort Lauderdale, before closing,
the indictment alleged.

The plotters misrepresented to lenders the risks involved in the properties,
officials said. Some of them were boarded-up buildings or multifamily
apartments that would be subdivided without the approval of local
authorities.

Christenson had a property appraiser value the real estate at inflated prices
and forwarded the appraisals to First Financial of Boston, Inc., where
suspect Stanley Lerner, 67, of Fort Lauderdale, a mortgage loan officer,
prepared fraudulent credit files for straw buyers, the indictment alleged.

The properties would be ``flipped'' to the collusive straw buyers who were
provided with fake tax returns, income statements, pay stubs, bank statements
and other background information.

Authorities said the fraud scheme stretched from Homestead to Lake Placid, an
area including much of south Florida. Many of the properties are now in
foreclosure, raising concern about the scheme's impact on the mortgage
industry.

``Mortgage fraud has become so pervasive that regulators and prosecutors are
now turning the spotlight on what we believe is a systematic mortgage lending
problem,'' said Brenda Liberti, director of the Florida Department of Banking
and Finance.

``We are serious about curbing fraud because left unchecked this climate will
jeopardize the existence of affordable mortgages in South Florida,'' she
said.

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[CTRL] Neo-Liberal Wins Re-Election in SF

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 "Ammiano ran for Mayor on a platform of undoing corporate tax breaks,
imposing campaign finance reforms, giving neighborhoods more local say over
developments and declaring an ``immediate war' on gentrification to preserve
affordable housing.
 "Alarmed corporations, union leaders, and real estate developers poneyed
up nearly $2 million to ensure the election of his opponent, incumbent
Democrat Willie Brown."

 During the last weeks of the campaign, fellow-traveller "liberals" Bill
Clinton and Jesse Jackson flew to San Francisco to publicly pledge their
support for Brown.

 I voted AGAINST Brown, of course.  The Bad Guys won -- as usual.
 Proof again that "Democracy will never work, because when it comes down
to voting for 'the lesser of two evils,'  supporters of evil outnumber
everyone else at the polls."
 Brown was re-elected by 60% of a 30% voter turnout -- in other words, by
only 20% of the citizenry of San Francisco.  Nowadays in America, that's
called a "landslide."


Brown Re-Elected San Francisco Mayor

By MICHAEL WARREN

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Mayor Willie Brown easily won a second term, fighting
off an upstart populist challenge with the help of soft money from interest
groups and businesses that depend on City Hall.

``You have no idea how relieved I am,'' Brown told hundreds of supporters at
Fisherman's Wharf wearing a baseball cap emblazoned with the words ``Still Da
Mayor'' in gold.

With 95 percent of the precincts reporting today, Brown had 115,299 votes, or
60 percent, to 77,663 votes, or 40 percent for Tom Ammiano, one of the few
politicians in the city who doesn't owe anything to the master of the
Democratic Party machine.

Ammiano, an openly gay city supervisor, energized his followers with talk of
undoing corporate tax breaks, imposing campaign reforms, giving neighborhoods
say over new developments and declaring an ``immediate war'' on
gentrification to preserve affordable housing.

Alarmed corporations, union leaders and developers spent more than $1.4
million in the last two weeks to help ensure the re-election of Brown, one of
the nation's most powerful Democrats.

Ammiano and his supporters were outspent more than 10-to-1.

``I'm thrilled. For us it means we're going to protect economic growth and
success in the city for four more years, instead of diverging on an extreme
path,'' said Mark Mosher of San Franciscans for Sensible Government, a
business group that spent more than $400,000 to ensure Ammiano's defeat.

Many residents regarded the race between the 65-year-old Brown and Ammiano,
who turned 58 today, as a battle for the soul of a city once known as a Paris
of the West but whose bohemian character is now threatened by the booming
economy.

``Dot-com'' companies have brought more than 30,000 highly paid jobs in
recent years to the city, pushing rents beyond the reach of middle-class
families as well as the artists and activists San Francisco is famous for.

In the end, even voters of this famously liberal city sided with Brown, who
stressed his proven ability as a dealmaker and said Ammiano lacks the
political skills needed to force developers to add affordable housing and
ease traffic.

Ammiano, a former schoolteacher and standup comic, will continue as president
of the city's Board of Supervisors, where all but one of his colleagues
endorsed Brown.

He said he would run again for mayor in four years.

``I am not conceding the war. I am conceding the battle,'' said Ammiano, who
would have been the first openly gay mayor of a major American city. ``My
voice may be high, my orientation may be gay, my politics may be left, but we
are right. We moved San Francisco forward.''

Brown hasn't lost an election since 1964, when he reached the state Assembly
by campaigning as an antidevelopment crusader. He served 31 years, including
14 1/2 as speaker, the longest tenure of anyone in the Legislature's most
powerful post. He relished his power, describing himself as ``The Ayatollah
of the Assembly.''

Forced out by term limits that voters imposed largely in reaction to his
imperial tenure, Brown became the city's first black mayor in 1995. He
presided over a booming economy, adding 4,000 jobs to the payroll and $1
billion to the budget.

He kept his style as mayor, even wearing a crown and ermine cape in a theater
performance. Posters sprung up all over the city in recent weeks with that
picture surrounded by dollar signs, and Ammiano even accused the mayor of
getting his ``hand caught in the cookie jar.''

But ongoing FBI probes into corruption allegations in several city
departments haven't touched Brown, and voters resoundingly decided to keep
their flamboyant leader for another term.

Among his cheering supporters was Joe O'Donoghue, head of the Residential
Builders Association, which campaigned against Ammiano.

``Any time you have a movement like he generated, it's cause for concern. But
it actually stimulated us into action. Now we can 

Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus

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In a message dated 99-12-13 18:03:51 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The TRUTH is that Jesus probably looked like Woody Allen without glasses.
Or perhaps, Gene Wilder. Or, if Christians are really lucky, Bernard Schwartz
a.k.a. Tony Curtis.

Personally, I like the unprepossessing face imprinted on the Shroud of Turin.

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Re: [CTRL] Crazy Country needs medicine?

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If one in five people each year experience an episode of mental illness, I
suspect that 90% of those cases are among government officials under
pressure of stupid laws.  Perhaps cannabis medicine would be good for their
mental health and improve social policies to ameliorate crime.

As a comedian put it:  "Think, at random, of four of your friends or
relatives.  Alright, try another group of four.  Now, if none among them are
crazy, guess who that leaves?"

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Re: [CTRL] IMPORTANT: Final Y2K preparations

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Every night, while taking a smoke break at work, I look up at the night sky,
and for what seems like months now, I've seen the same two planets, Jupiter
and Saturn, always separated by a hand's-breadth.  As an astrologer, that
tells me something about the "crisis" everyone seems to be expecting around
Y2K Day, December 31st.  The Y2K CHART is unexceptional.  But come May 2000,
when the "gap" between Jupiter and Saturn CLOSES, it's time to worry ...  The
ancients always treated the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as a
ending-cum-new-beginning point in a 20-year [as well as in a larger
SIXTY-year] cycle of expansion and contraction (analogous to the lunar cycle
of new and full moons or the lunisolar cycle of eclipses) in all spheres of
collective human life -- for example, in the progress of religion (Jupiter
and Saturn were conjunct at the birth of Jesus and said to have been conjunct
when Abraham and Moses were born)
and in economics, as the turning point in a recurring cycle of surpluses and
deficits.
It has meant something important also in POLITICS -- a radical change in
"era," as a rule marked by the tragic death of the head of state, followed by
a kind of reversal of values with the succeeding office-holder.  Every
astrologer is familiar with the 20-year cycle of deaths of American
presidents in office:  Since 1776, almost every time, the presidents ELECTED
during Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions --e.g., 1900, 1920, 1940 and 1960-- died
under unusual circimstances (often by assassination) shortly afterward.  One
of the rare exceptions --but not necessarily signalling a CHANGE in the
pattern-- was the 1980 election of Ronald Reagan, who somehow SURVIVED
(bodily, at least) ATTEMPTED assassination.  The year 2000 is another one of
those fateful elections, and it'll be interesting to see if the SOCIOLOGICAL
pattern observed thus far repeats
itself.  That pattern involves a complete polar-shift in political temper --
as after 1940, when, following the death of FDR, American politics veered
from far Left to far Right,
under Truman, culminating in the McCarthy era; and after 1960, when, after
the JFK assassination, '60s liberalism was driven back by Nixon, Kent State,
and Watergate.
(Post Watergate, the snowballing revolt against Nixon and covert ops resulted
in Jimmy Carter, whose "October Surprise" LOSS to Reagan-Bush inaugurated the
1980 cycle.)

So, if the historical correspondences to NATURAL (planetary) cycles are any
guide, the ARBITRARY (calendrical) "turning point" signified by Y2K --not
even the TRUE end of a century and millennium, technically-- will come and go
with a "whimper."  But don't give up YET, if it's a "bang" you're expecting.
That's still coming, in the immediate future ...

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Re: [CTRL] Dec14 Frontline TV Snitches to reair

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In a message dated 99-12-12 10:46:09 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Why don't they do a show on the role of "police informants" who give the
police the name or address of a "suspected" drug dealer.  The police then
serve a "no knock" warrant at 5:00 AM, bust in the door and kill the person
there because he "threatened" them.  Then it turns out that the house or man
was the wrong one and the police killed someone merely trying to defend
themselves against an invasion of their home.  Why no talk about the rampant
and illegal acceleration of this type of activity in our "law enforcement"
community?

Or how about a show on the complete indifference of police to REAL criminal
activity?
That's more the case in yuppie-fied San Francisco, where increasingly the
only 911 calls that are answered are those coming from a cell phone in some
upscale hotel, complaining about the champagne being cold.  (An exaggeration,
 but not by much.).

Case in point from personal experience, only last night.  But first a little
background to the account to follow.  (1) A few weeks ago, my 4"10" wife was
mugged on her way home from work by a group of four black teenagers
strategically positioned at different places around an intersection at night,
stalking available prey. The assailant, estimated age 14, jumped her from
behind and put her in a choke hold with one arm while with the other hand
covering her mouth and squeezing her nose shut so she couldn't breathe.  He
dragged her backward toward the shadows, expecting her to lose consciousness,
but instead, just when she was starting to get lightheaded, my wife "played
dead" and stopped struggling.  The boy relaxed his grip, as expected, and my
wife let him have it -- elbowing him in the groin with karate-chop force.
Her assailant yanked her purse out of her hand with such force that it
dislocated two of her fingers and then took off running --running "oddly," as
if trying to cross his legs as he ran-- toward the sanctuary of one of the
two housing projects nearby.  That's when my wife first saw his three
cohorts, who emerged from their places to join him in flight.  A woman just
then driving by heard my wife yelling and pointing in the purse-snatcher's
direction and called 911 for assistance.
A squad car was in the area, luckily, and after getting the perpetrator's
description from my wife, took off in token search of him, of course to no
avail.  Returning, the police officer who took my wife's report told her,
"Call us if ever he attacks you AGAIN" -- on hearing which, of course, my
by-then enraged wife gave him a big piece of her mind.
(2)  A couple of weeks earlier, a young woman had driven to a Gen-X "club"
about two
blocks from where we live.  Her car was found, but she was never seen again.
The neighborhood is now plastered with flyers giving her picture and a phone
number where her family can be reached with any information regarding her,
now a "missing person."

Okay, enough for setting the scene.  Now, on to last night's incident.  (3)
My wife was taking a bus home from work, just after sunset, as I waited for
her (in order to walk her home, for safety's sake) in a cafe across from the
bus stop.  When she stepped off the bus she was frantic.  Eight blocks
earlier, idly looking out the window, she had watched a horrifying scene
occurring at the intersection where the bus stopped for a red light: A woman
on the sidewalk was dragged --screaming, crying for help-- into the
passenger's side of a car that screeched up beside her.  Then, with the door
still hanging open and the woman's arm flailing while she screamed and
struggled with her captor, the car had sped off as the light turned green,
heading in the opposite direction from the bus.  My wife had shaken two women
sitting next to her, pointing at what was happening across the street, and
they had all watched in horror, but the intersection was left behind. My wife
ran forward to the bus driver and yelled at her that a woman was being
forcibly abducted -- but the driver had just shrugged, ignoring her, and kept
on going ...
After a few words from my wife describing what she had witnessed, I hurried
into the local grocery store and convinced the owner to let us use his phone
to call 911.  In a minute or two, I had the 911 operator on the line and
proceeded to report the incident,
putting my wife on the lline to provide time (15 minuites earlier, by then),
location, and description of the vehicle and its direction.  The operator
said she was dispatching a squad car, and she asked our location, telling us
to wait there until a car arrived to take a fuller report.  We waited -- and
waited -- and waited -- still no police officer -- until, ONE HOUR LATER, we
gave up and left to take care of other necessary business.

First, a bus driver passing the scene of an observed violent crime REFUSED to
make a call to police that COULD have been instantaneous (because the
equipment for that is provided drivers for their 

[CTRL] Vallee on Majestic 12

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  Excerpt from  "Revelations" by Jacques Vallee
  from Chapter 2, "Majestic 12"

 In December 1984 an anonymously mailed package reached Los
Angeles television producer Jaime Shandera. In it was a roll of
undeveloped film that turned out to contain eight pages of
information, evidently from a November 1952 classified document.
It included a cover letter addressed to President Eisenhower and
mentioned top secret data about the crash of an unidentified
flying object at Roswell, New Mexico.
 Revelation of the existence of these documents by Jaime
Shandera, Bill Moore, and Stanton Friedman elicted various
reactions among UFO enthusiasts.  Most of them said, "We told you
so! The proof of the coverup is at hand at last."
 Others, suspecting that the three researchers might be the
targets of a manipulation or a hoax, wisely withheld comment.
Skeptics like Phillip Klass went so far as to suggest that Bill
Moore had manufactured the documents and mailed them to his
friend.
 Accusations flew back and forth, becoming increasingly
technical.  Did the font of the typewriter match the machines
used at the time?  Did the style of the dates correspond to the
correct military format, to the personal habits of the alleged
official authors, or more prosaically, to one of the suspected
perpetrators of a hoax?
 One of the early believers, ufologist Stanton Friedman,
obtained a $16,000 grant from Dr. Bruce Maccabee's Fund for UFO
Research to study the matter in depth.  Predictably, his
conclusion, released in mid-1990, was that the documents were
genuine, but he brought no new evidence to prove it.
 The controversy may never be completely resolved, but it did
produce some very interesting facts and some even more
fascinating questions.
  According to Stanton Friedman, there are three primary
"MJ-12" texts.  The roll of film received by Shandera contained a
document entitled "Briefing for President-Elect Eisenhower,"
dated November 18, 1952, consisting of eight pages.  The last
page was a memo under President Truman's signature to Secretary
of Defense James Forrestal, dated September 24, 1947.  These two
items were the extent of the initial "leak."
 Sensational confirmation of their validity seemed to come to
light when a third unsigned document was found in the National
Archives.  Dated July 14, 1954, it was a memo from Robert Cutler,
Eisenhower's Special Assistant for National Security, to General
Nathan Twining, Air Force Chief of Staff.  It read, "The
President has decided that the MJ-12 SSP briefing should take
place during the already scheduled White House meeting of July 16
rather than following it as previously intended."  Cutler did not
sign the document, but his name and title are typed at the bottom
of the page.  The expression "MJ-12" referred to the Majestic
Twelve, a group of experts secretly studying UFO evidence.
 According to Friedman, this document could not have been
planted in the National Archives because, "it was in a classified
box in a classified vault."
 This statement only makes sense if we assume that the
individual responsible for the planting did not have access to
the classified box in question.  If MJ-12 is an inside job,
designed and executed by a rogue group within the intelligence
community --which is the most likely explanation
today-- then Friedman's argument is obviously flawed.
 There are other reasons to believe that MJ-12 is a fake.
Queried about this particular document, the Archives issued a
memorandum, dated July 22, 1987, and signed by Jo Ann
Williamson, Chief of the Military Reference Branch, pointing out
that "this particular document poses problems" for many different
reasons.  It does not bear a top secret register number, an
official government letter-head or a watermark, it is the only
document referring to MJ-12 in the folder in question; a search
for other relevant documents has located nothing; and the
marking TOP SECRET RESTRICTED INFORMATION was not used during the
Eisenhower administration (it only came into use at the National
Security Council under Nixon).  Furthermore, there are no records
of an NSC meeting on July 16, 1954.  Robert Cutler was visiting
military installations in Europe and North Africa on the day he
was supposed to have issued the memorandum.
 In other words, the National Archives does not believe the
memorandum is genuine.  This does not mean, of course, that some
project called MJ-12 does not or did not, exist.  Nor does it
resolve the larger issue of the possible existence of aliens,
dead or alive.  It only deepens the mystery and it raises new
questions.
 Among the new questions is the identity and motivation of
the sender.
 If we are dealing with a genuine Deep Throat, why does he
(or she) choose people like Shandera, Moore and Friedman, who are
obscure as far as the national media are concerned?  Why not
select a well-known journalist, a reputable science 

[CTRL] 20% (or More) of Americans Mentally Ill

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U.S. Issues Mental Health Report

By LAURA MECKLER
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - In an exhaustive review of research on mental disorders,
Surgeon General David Satcher concludes shame and difficulty paying for care
are keeping millions of Americans from treatments that have been proved
effective.

The sweeping report, issued today, encourages Americans who suspect they have
a mental disorder to seek help.

``Mental disorders are not character flaws but are legitimate illnesses that
respond to specific treatments, just as other health conditions respond to
medical interventions,'' said the report. ``Society no longer can afford to
view mental health as separate and unequal to general health.''

All told, mental disorders affect nearly one in five Americans. Two-thirds of
them never seek treatment, including nearly half of those with a severe
mental illness.

The report, a scientific rather than political document, makes no specific
policy recommendations. But mental health advocates said they would seize it
in fighting for equal health insurance coverage of mental ailments, better
treatments in prisons and more accountability in public spending.

``We've got a health crisis here and the surgeon general has documented it,''
said Laurie Flynn, executive director of the National Alliance for the
Mentally Ill.

``Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General'' reviews 3,000 academic
studies on mental health and mental illness and has been in the works since
Satcher took office in early 1998.

``They are treatable. That's the great news of this report,'' Satcher said
today as he released the report with Tipper Gore, Vice President Al Gore's
wife and a longtime advocate for the mentally ill.

Mrs. Gore noted that suicide is the third-leading causing of death among
young people 18 to 24. When asked why they don't get help, she said on ABC's
``Good Morning America,'' ``The kids say to me, `Because they are afraid of
being labeled.'

``Kids in particular need to know if they are in trouble and they know
someone who is talking about violence or talking about suicide or is in a
severe depression, they need to come forward and get the treatment they need
because treatment works,'' Mrs. Gore said.

``The report's principal recommendation to the American people is to seek
help if you have a mental health problem or think you have symptoms of a
mental disorder,'' it says. And Satcher encourages friends, family, teachers,
ministers, coaches and others who may spot someone with a problem to
encourage them to seek help.

But even people who want treatment can't always afford it. Even those with
health insurance often find sharp limits on what their health plans will pay
for.

The report stops short of recommending that the law require insurance
companies to treat mental and physical health problems equally - as President
Clinton and some in Congress have proposed. But it does call this coverage
``an affordable and effective objective.''

The nearly 500-page document examines both mental health and mental illness,
calling them ``points on a continuum.''

Mental health involves the ability to engage in productive activities, to
fulfill relationships with others, adapt to change and cope with adversity.
Mental illness includes a variety of disorders characterized by alterations
in thinking, like Alzheimer's disease; in mood, like depression, or in
behavior, like hyperactivity.

Satcher argues that people with mental health problems and mental illnesses
can live happier, more productive lives with the help of therapy and
medication.

Without help, someone who begins sad can become clinically depressed, and
ultimately even suicidal. Untreated, the most severely ill can end up
homeless or criminal.

``To a great extent, we are dumping our mental health problems on the streets
of America,'' Satcher said in an interview. ``We are dumping them into our
jails and prisons - there's no question about that.''

The nearly 500-page report, written by a panel of experts, also:

Reviews scientific research into the operations of the brain, including
unprecedented new examinations of complex neurochemical activity inside
individual brain cells.

Identifies prospective and promising new treatments.

Examines the flaws in the system for providing mental health care, including
problems coordinating government agencies, private groups, schools, prisons
and other providers.

Explains that researchers know more about how to treat mental disorders than
what causes them. No single gene causes disorders, the report says, but
variations in several genes can contribute to unhealthy brain activity that,
under certain conditions, results in mental illness.

Satcher, who has also focused on racial disparities in health, noted that
black Americans are less likely to get outpatient mental health services but
more likely to end up institutionalized, suggesting they are missing
opportunities for important early care.

This is 

[CTRL] Japan and US Nukes

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 Uh ... How "Y2K compliant" are these US nukes secreted all over the
world?.


Japan Had More US Nukes Than Thought

By ROBERT BURNS
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Despite its aversion to nuclear weapons, Japan allowed more
American nuclear weapons on its territory during the 1950s and '60s than
officials of either country have publicly acknowledged, according to
declassified U.S. government documents.

Nuclear weapons for U.S. planes, submarines and surface ships were located on
two Japanese islands - Iwo Jima and Chichi Jima - before the United States
returned the islands to full Japanese control in 1968, according to the
documents, which cite the types of weapons at various locations but not their
numbers.

After the United States ended its occupation of Japan in 1951 and the World
War II enemies signed a security treaty, it was Japan's official policy not
to permit nuclear weapons on its territory. Washington took the view that
this prohibition did not extend to islands which remained under U.S.
jurisdiction after 1951, according to a Clinton administration official who
spoke on condition of anonymity.

In 1997, secret U.S. government documents were declassified and the public
learned that the island of Okinawa had been home to American nuclear weapons
before it was returned to Japanese control in 1972. But the role of Iwo Jima
and Chichi Jima was first disclosed in a report to be published Monday in the
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists by nuclear historians Robert S. Norris,
William Arkin and William Burr.

``Fabled as a `non-nuclear nation,' Japan is beginning to look very
different, given what we now know,'' the authors wrote. ``Japan may have had
its principles, but the Pentagon had its nuclear war plans and it pushed the
envelope as far as it could.''

Pentagon spokesman P.J. Crowley said Friday that the government documents on
which the Bulletin based its article are authentic, but he said the U.S.
government is sticking to its policy of neither confirming nor denying the
presence of nuclear weapons at any location, either now or in the past.

``It is in our interest to continue to maintain a necessary level of
ambiguity about these systems,'' Crowley said.

In the early 1950s, U.S. officials believed they needed to have nuclear
weapons, or their non-nuclear components, dispersed in Europe and in the
Pacific in case war broke out with the Soviet Union. They were deployed by
the thousands in such places as South Korea, Guam, the Philippines and
Taiwan. As defense strategies evolved in the Cold War, the Pentagon
consolidated its arsenal. Today, the only U.S. nuclear weapons deployed
outside the United States are bombs for aircraft stationed in several
European NATO countries.

The new disclosures about U.S. nuclear weapons in Japan are not likely to
affect U.S.-Japan relations today, but they fill a gap in the historical
record of Japan's role in supporting U.S. nuclear war plans.

There is no evidence that the U.S. government ever obtained permission from
Japan to store complete nuclear weapons on the main islands. Yet a
declassified appendix to a secret U.S. Far East Command report, dated Nov. 1,
1956, indicates that 13 separate locations in Japan - including sites on the
main islands - had nuclear weapons or components or were earmarked to receive
weapons in the event of impending war.

These included Misawa, Itazuki, Atsugi, Iwakuni, Johnson and Komaki air bases
on the mainland, although it is not clear from the available records whether
complete nuclear weapons ever were placed at these sites.

The roles of Chichi Jima and Iwo Jima as nuclear storage sites are clearer.

A top secret June 1957 memorandum for Adm. Arthur Radford, then chairman of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff, discussed the dispersal of nuclear weapons in the
Bonin and Volcano islands. The Bonins are a group of Japanese islands, about
500 miles southeast of the mainland, of which only Chichi Jima is inhabited.
In the three-island Volcano group, 120 miles from Chichi Jima, only Iwo Jima
played a military role.

``On 6 February 1956 the chief of naval operations stated that one weapon
with core was placed in storage on Chichi Jima,'' the Radford memo said.

The records do not state how many bombs were placed on Chichi Jima. A
Pentagon history of the deployment of U.S. nuclear weapons, declassified
earlier this year, showed that the first bombs on Chichi Jima were withdrawn
after only three months, coinciding with the introduction of the Navy's
Regulus nuclear missiles, which were fired from submarines. These missiles
were kept on Chichi Jima until 1964.

The last nuclear weapons on the island, W30 warheads for Navy surface-to-air
Talos missiles, were withdrawn in December 1965.

Because of Chichi Jima's nuclear role, the U.S. government resisted Japan's
push to repopulate the island, which had been evacuated during World War II.
Mansfield Sprague, an assistant secretary of defense in the Eisenhower

[CTRL] Mayor for Sale, NOT Cheap

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 "The total soft money investment is about EIGHT HUNDRED times greater
than in the last mayor's race four years ago in 1995."


Calif Mayor Race Awash in Soft Money

By MICHAEL WARREN
.c The Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Exploiting a campaign finance loophole, Mayor Willie
Brown is benefiting from more than $1 million in special interest spending,
much of it from sources that won't be disclosed until after next week's
election, city records show.

The total for so-called soft money is about 800 times greater than in the
1995 mayor's race, and the strategy could be the model for future races.

``He's writing the game plan for the future'' of political fundraising by
limiting donations to his own campaign and allowing interest groups to
collect and spend unlimited funds on his behalf, says Charles Marsteller of
California Common Cause.

Brown's challenger in Tuesday's election, Board of Supervisors President Tom
Ammiano, accuses the mayor of selling out to Big Business. But the mayor's
official reports show his campaign has received not one penny from ``business
entities'' since Nov. 2.

Instead, that money has gone to independent committees unrestrained by the
city's contribution law, which limits donations to $250 during mayoral
runoffs.

Backed by developers, labor unions and large corporations, these committees
have paid for fliers, phone banks and at least one television ad suggesting
that Ammiano's ideas could bankrupt the city.

As of Thursday, nine committees had spent more than $1,096,000 for Brown
since Nov. 27. Two groups supporting Ammiano spent a combined $4,500,
according to reports filed with the city and county's Ethics Commission.

The unprecedented flow of soft money is in addition to at least $297,000 that
went directly into Brown's campaign coffers and $132,000 collected by
Ammiano's campaign since the general election.

``People are expressing their support with their pocketbooks and that results
in more speech, which in my view is a good thing,'' said attorney Joe Remcho,
who represents Brown and the Democratic Party on campaign finance matters.

Remcho opened the floodgates for soft money in September. As lead attorney
for San Franciscans for Sensible Government, a political action committee
representing corporations, he persuaded a federal judge to overturn the
city's 1992 rule that committees must adhere to the same limits as campaigns.

The SFSG has spent more than $418,000 to support Brown's re-election.

By law, donations and spending by the independent committees must not be
coordinated by the candidates' campaigns. But no law prevents the groups from
coordinating with each other.

``You don't want everybody tripping over each other,'' said Robert Barnes,
one of several political consultants working for Brown's re-election. ``So
there have been several attempts to make sure everyone is doing a good solid
piece of this in their own right.''

For example, shortly after the Willie Brown Leadership PAC was founded on
Nov. 24, it transferred $150,000 to the Alice B. Toklas Lesbian and Gay
Democratic Club, which used the money for a 30-second TV ad showing an
interracial gay couple deciding to vote for Brown.

City law requires prompt disclosure of contributions gathered by committees.
But at least two of the groups - SFSG and the county Democratic Committee -
claim they are county organizations and do not have to disclose the source of
their money until January.

``That's a big stretch. San Francisco is a city and a county, not a city or a
county,'' says Kim Alexander of the California Voter Foundation, a
Sacramento-based nonprofit that educates voters on campaign laws.

``It is really disconcerting because voters have tried for years to clean up
elections in that city and make politicians more accountable through a
variety of reforms,'' she said. ``It's a shame that message is not getting
through.''

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[CTRL] Amnesty International Hits Seattle

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 "``At [Seattle's] King County Jail, people were strapped into restraints
as punishment for asking to talk to a lawyer,'' reports Amnesty International.


Rights Group Wants WTO-Police Probe

LONDON (AP) - Amnesty International on Friday called for an inquiry into
police action during demonstrations in Seattle against the World Trade
Organization.

The international human rights group said in a statement that it was
concerned about allegations of indiscriminate use of tear gas, pepper spray,
rubber bullets and noisemakers.

The group also called for an investigation into allegations of cruel
treatment at Seattle's King County Jail of some of the hundreds of arrested
protesters. It said some of the alleged incidents, such as the use of
restraint chairs and beatings, appeared to have violated international human
rights standards.

``One person was slammed against a wall, beaten while lying on the floor and
had his fingers forced back with a pencil,'' the group said, without citing
sources.

``Also at King County Jail, people were allegedly strapped into four-point
restraint chairs as punishment for nonviolent resistance or asking for their
lawyers,'' the statement read.

During the WTO meeting, protests included widespread vandalism and looting by
a few dozen people among the tens of thousands that crowded downtown streets.
The violence resulted in deployment of the National Guard, a curfew and more
than 500 arrests.

Seattle's Police Chief Norm Stamper resigned amid criticism following the
massive protests.

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[CTRL] Pedigree of King George [Bush]

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 "George Bush has 7 known descents from King Edward I of England."


 from soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup:

Subject: Re: Governor George Walker Bush - Next President?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Baldwin)
Date: Sat, 11 December 1999 12:33 AM EST
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On 10 Dec 1999 18:51:52 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Ravilious)
wrote:

Friday, Dec. 10, 1999


A Year 2000 Question for The Group:

  I recall an article (not well written) from ca. 1993 concerning
U.S. presidential elections and royal descent.  The writer, citing an
interview from a representative (?) of Burke's, or another royal descent
purveyor, stated that (1) all U. S. Presidents have had at least one
royal ancestor, (2) their opponents in the general election have had
also, and (3) that whichever candidate had _the most royal descent_ was
the eventual winner of the election.

  Now, I have seen pedigrees posted hither and yon showing royal
descents for several (but not all) U.S. Presidents.  With regard to the
upcoming election, assuming the Burke's Corollary to Murphy's Law has
and will continue to hold, it might be worthwhile if we could determine
who of the current field has _the most royal descent_ [a definition of
this term would be helpful, I suppose, but for a dyed-in-the-purple-wool
Burkist this might take all the fun out of it].  We could then arrange
for a rapid coronation, and the other candidates could then go back to
their other endeavours [or possibly seek to arrange more productive
pedigrees].

  By way of starting the process, I recall that George H. W. Bush
has 7 known descents from Edward I of England [if Barbara B. adds to the
total, this will up the ante somewhat].  Does any one have information
as to any of the other candidates?

  The eyes of Texas are upon you.


   John


That story has been discussed before on this group, and there is not
the slightest bit of truth to it.  To give one example, Bill Clinton
has no known royal descents, yet he beat George Bush, who has several.
Also, there have been a few occasions where the same two men ran
against each other in more than one election, with different winners
(most notably Grover Cleveland and Benjamin Harrison).

Stewart Baldwin

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[CTRL] Interview w/ Jacques Vallee (2/3)

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   "THE ALIENIST" -- Interview with JACQUES VALLEE
   cont'd

   EDITOR'S REVELATION: In Part 1 of our interview with
UFO sleuth/computer conferencing pioneer Jacques Vallee, we
looked at some of the scientific evidence bolstering the
contention that UFOs are a real, measurable phenomenon. In Part
2, below, Vallee continues this theme as he talks about his
samples of "liquid sky" -- the metallic debris occasionally seen
ejected from flying disks.
  Then hold on to your propeller beanie as we depart
four-dimensional time space and look at some of Vallee's more
exotic theories about the origin of UFOs. As Vallee puts it, "The
UFO phenomenon exists. It has been with us throughout history. It
is physical in nature and it remains unexplained in terms of
contemporary science. It represents a level of consciousness that
we have not yet recognized, and which is able to manipulate
dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them. It
affects our own consciousness in ways that we do not grasp fully,
and it generally behaves as a control system."
  Vallee refers to this complex system of control --which
is shaping human society over the course of thousands of years--
as an "interface of reality with consciousness." I t sounds a lot
like Arthur C. Clarke's science fictional theme in "2001: A Space
Odyssey" -- an alien intelligence subtly directing the course of
human development, toward mysterious ends. Talk about your cosmic
conspiracies!
  But Vallee also has controversial ideas about
human-made UFO conspiracies. "I was investigating some cases that
were physically real," he says, "but they were hoaxes -- yet not
hoaxes on the part of the witnesses."
  The two most stunning cases of faked UFO events that
Vallee has uncovered occurred rather recently in the history of
saucer sightings. In 1980, a strange object purportedly "crashed"
in England's Rendlesham Forest, a few miles away from an American
Air Force Base. Dozens of military personnel were dispatched into
the forest, without weapons, before the supposed crash of a
luminous object. After the incident conflicting stories leaked to
the press and to civilian investigators, some of the leaks
apparently originating from the front office of the military
base. Vallee's conclusion --controversial among UFO believers who
insist that aliens touched down in Rendlesham Forest-- is that
"the event had all the earmarks of being staged for the benefit
of the witnesses, perhaps so that their psychological reactions
could be studied."
  Even more bizarre is the information turned up by
French investigators in the wake of a bizarre 1979 abduction
case. An unemployed young man named Franck Fontaine disappeared
outside of his apartment one morning, reportedly after his
friends saw him enveloped in a luminous fog. After a week of
frenzied press coverage and a fruitless search by the
authorities, Fontaine turned up in a field outside the apartment
-- with no memory of his unusual experience. His friends insisted
he had been abducted by a UFO, and police investigators, though
they doubted that claim, found no other satisfactory explanation.
  But as Vallee reports, investigators from GEPAN, the
French government's aerial phenomena study group, were led to an
official in the French Ministry of Defense who willingly
described the so-called UFO abduction as an "Exercise of General
Synthesis." What happened to Fontaine? "We put him to sleep and
he was put under an altered state of high suggestibility,"
replied the official. When asked if the "exercise" was intended
to test the investigative abilities of local law enforcement
agencies, the official said, "That would be a fair way to
describe it." Then he added, ominously, "If this operation had
been completed, the next phase would have been far worse." As
Vallee notes in his best-selling book, "Revelations," "It would
be fair to assume that the [Fontaine] operation could have been a
test, perhaps a prelude to an experiment of wider scope."
  Vallee says he knows the name of the French official,
an Air Force officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
  So what on earth --to pick an appropriate planet-- is
going on?  Vallee has several theories that might explain such
UFO flimflam.  The military may be experimenting with
psychological warfare techniques, as the Germans did in World War
I, when they projected images of the Virgin Mary on banks of
smoke in an effort to spook the French into saying their Rosaries
instead of killing Germans.  Vallee also thinks that sham UFO
reports might be used as cover for tests of new military stealth
technology.
  But the most troubling "deception theory" Vallee poses
is that from time to time, the target of UFO hoaxes might be the
general public, or a segment thereof.
  "In some cases," he says, "the community of ufologists
may simply be used in a sociological experiment 

[CTRL] Interview w/ Jacques Vallee (1/3)

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 from http://www.conspire.com/ufofiles.html

 "HERETIC AMONG HERETICS" -- JACQUES VALLEE Interviewed

 Jacques Vallee hesitated before agreeing to be interviewed
about the subject for which he's most famous: UFOs. It's not that
he's reluctant to discuss the topic, or tussle with the skeptics.
After all, he's written close to a dozen books on UFOs, several
of them best-sellers, analyzing a notoriously ethereal subject as
a hard-headed physical scientist, folklorist, and sociologist. He
believes there is more than enough solid evidence to make a
compelling case for the existence of UFOs, and he doesn't shy
away from an honest debate.
 It's the hard-core believers who give Vallee pause. Anyone
who has observed the semi-academic cockpit known as "UFOlogy"
knows that close encounters of the UFO expert kind shed little
light and much heat, dogma and territorial sniping. Vallee's
views about UFOs are far more exotic and far stranger than what
he calls the reigning "nuts and bolts" approach to the subject.
Consequently, he's been attacked by believers so often that he
jokingly refers to himself a "heretic among heretics." As Vallee
puts it, "I will be disappointed if UFOs turn out to be nothing
more than spaceships."
 In his recent autobiographical book, "Forbidden Science,"
Vallee summed up his views about the provenance of UFOs, a
viewpoint that he's developed through decades of research: "The
UFO Phenomenon exists. It has been with us throughout history. It
is physical in nature and it remains unexplained in terms of
contemporary science. It represents a level of consciousness that
we have not yet recognized, and which is able to manipulate
dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them." So much
for anti-gravity-powered starships ferrying Big Brothers from
outer space. Vallee thinks UFOs are likely "windows" to other
dimensions manipulated by intelligent, often mischievous, always
enigmatic beings we have yet to understand.
 No other UFO researcher has contributed more to an
admittedly controversial field. But Vallee commands a measure of
respect that must leave his colleagues feeling a bit envious.
Even Philip Klass, the avionics expert and the media's favorite
UFO-debunker, calls Vallee "one of the more distinguished members
of the pro-UFO community." Vallee, he adds, "is one of the
brighter physical scientists who believes in UFOs."
 Vallee moved to America from his native France in the early
1960s, as young astronomer-turned-computer scientist. Vallee
pioneered the use of computers to analyze and categorize the UFO
phenomenon, and his 1965 book, "Anatomy of a Phenomenon," is
still considered one of the most scholarly books on UFOs ever
written. At Northwestern University, Vallee assisted Prof. J.
Allen Hynek, the academic consultant on the Air Force's infamous
Project Bluebook, now seen by most saucer students as either a
half-hearted government effort to address the UFO craze of the
1950s and 1960s or a full-blown coverup. While working with
Hynek, Vallee and his wife, Janine, compiled the first-ever
computer database of UFO sightings.
 In 1969, Vallee published another groundbreaking book,
"Passport to Magonia," in which he collected a body of folkloric
"myths" that read remarkably like modern UFO encounters, from
Celtic tales of fairyland abductions to Biblical passages and
medieval chronicles of "visitors" from beyond. Building on Carl
Jung's thesis that UFOs are a sociological phenomenon, a product
of the collective unconscious, Vallee forever left behind the
space-bound E.T. theorists. But his folklorist's approach to the
problem would influence a number of later researchers and writers
who continue to echo his ideas about other-dimensional forms of
consciousness. Best-selling author Whitley Strieber, Harvard
"abductee psychologist" John Mack, and journalist Keith Thompson
(author of "Angels and Aliens") all owe a debt to Vallee. Stephen
Spielberg paid homage to Vallee in "Close Encounters of the Third
Kind," basing his French scientist character (played by Francois
Truffaut) on the real French UFO theorist.
 We recently had lunch with Vallee in San Francisco at
restaurant around the corner from the offices of his
high-technology venture capital firm. Part 1 of that interview
covers Vallee's theories about UFOs and his belief that science
can penetrate mystery of flying disks and alien beings. In Part
2, which we'll publish later this month, Vallee discusses the
second sphere of his researches: The connection between the UFO
phenomenon and the religious impulse. Vallee believes that the
intelligence guiding UFOs is a kind of control mechanism, an
invisible hand shaping the development of human consciousness
over a period of eons. In the second installment he also talks
about the theory that from time to time governments have
manipulated public opinion through UFO mythology -- in some
instances constructing elaborate hoaxes for 

[CTRL] Interview w/ Jacques Vallee (3/3)

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   Interview with JACQUES VALLEE
  cont'd

The Controllers

60GCAT: You've said that UFOs represent a form of alien
intelligence that is actively manipulating human society.  How
and toward what end?

Vallee: A new computer analysis of historical trends, compiled in
the 1970s, led me to plot a striking graph of "waves" of UFO
activity that was anything but periodic.  Fred Beckman and Dr.
Price Williams of UCLA pointed out that it resembled a schedule
of reinforcement typical of a learning or training process: the
phenomenon was more akin to a control system than to an
exploratory task force of alien travelers. There are many control
systems around us, and some are a part of nature: ecology,
climate, etc. Some are man-made: the process of education, the
thermostat in your home. If the UFO phenomenon represents a
control system, can we test it to determine if it is natural or
artificial, open or closed? This is one of the interesting
questions about the phenomenon that has never been answered.

Chariots of the Frauds

60GCAT: Speaking of control systems, some of your other avenues
of UFO research have led you to suggest that from time to time
human agencies --governments, cults, and other groups interested
in manipulating people's beliefs-- have engineered UFO deceptions
and hoaxes. Now we're really getting conspiratorial ...

Vallee: I think the place where ufology -the way it has developed
today-- eets with my interest in communications, and my interest
in networks is in deception and manipulation. I think that is an
area of which people should be aware. Because I think a lot of
the things that are being discussed today, among people who
believe in UFOs, are either mythical or a part of manipulation of
some sort, which could include the stories of little aliens and
the hybrids and abductions and so forth. A lot of that may be
either material that cults have injected into the culture because
it suits their own fantasy about the end of the world or the
millennium and all that.
  Or, in a more sinister sense, in some of the cases I've
investigated, the deception hides a mind-control experiment.
Anybody who is aware of technology today should know that we have
much more than a stealth fighter flying around. We have
capabilities, theoretical or practical, to make all types of
things. There is a massive development of nonlethal platforms
going on that those platforms have to be tested somewhere, they
have to be disguised as something else from time to time. There
has been massive development of RPVs --remotely piloted
vehicles-- some of which are disk-shaped. There is massive
development of low observable technologies that are used for
reconnaissance and can be used for all sorts of other things. And
in many cases, the UFO stories are not simply fantasies in the
minds of a few witnesses, but may have been planted as part of a
cover for some very terrestrial technologies that WE are
developing.

'Messengers of Deception?'

60GCAT: The UMMO cult, which you discuss at length in your books,
"Revelations" and "Messengers of Deception," has an impressive
history of elaborate deception. Tell us about it.

Vallee: I think that the UMMO myth was started by a small group
of people, essentially cultists. What was intriguing about UMMO
was all its pseudo-scientific revelations [supposedly handed down
to earthling scientists like Vallee from UMMO-ites, beings who
hail from a planet 14.6 light years away from our sun]. But these
supposed revelations were not within the state of the art. They
didn't come up with proof of Fermat's theorem or something like
that, it was just perfectly good science fiction.

60GCAT: What about the French theory that UMMO was a
psychological experiment?

Vallee: Yeah, they thought that the cult had been used or was
manipulated by the KGB. Because for one thing, some of their
ideas --some of the data that was supposedly channeled from the
UMMO organization in the sky was very advanced cosmology. Very
advanced cosmology about twin universes involving some data that
was not stupid -- it came straight out of the notes of Andre
Sakarav, including some of the unpublished notes of Sakarav, some
things that Sakarav was known to have worked on, but had not
published. And so some people --and I don't know who's right--
felt that somebody had to have access to those notes, to inspire
those messages, perhaps the KGB. It wasn't just ordinary science
fiction; it was somebody who knew what some of the more advanced
cosmologists were thinking.

60GCAT: Why would the KGB or any intelligence agency perpetrate
such an arcane hoax?

Vallee: Well, let me tell you a little story. About fifteen years
ago there was a group that suddenly appeared in San Francisco.
They had a big party downtown. And they invited everybody who was
anybody in parapsychology. And they made a little speech saying,
"We have all this money from somebody who wants to do good and
help research, we know that there 

Re: [CTRL] Aborigines were the first Americans

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 Who were the first Americans?
 This is beginning to sound like a silly academic question on the order
of "Who were the first Europeans?" or "Who were the first Asians"?
 Like, who were the first people in the Northern Hemisphere?  In the
Southern?

 The moment we admit the very real possibility --indeed, the likelihood
now-- that "primitive" human beings were able to navigate the world's oceans
far earlier than we've assumed --THOUSANDS of years before urban
civilization-- we run into a little problem ...  We then have to deal with
the likely phenomenon of MULTIPLE ethnic groups traversing the planet and
colonizing spots on each and every continent, at one period or another, even
in PREHISTORIC times.
 The whole planet has ALWAYS been potentially within the reach of any
human being willing to travel, and almost every ancient civilization was more
or less "global" in its scope, through trade missions, colonial expeditions,
and expanding territorial border wars.  So, what's the big deal?  If we widen
our lens on "history" from FOUR thousand years to FORTY thousand, we find
that "everybody" has been around "everywhere."
 Once the mongrel cat is out of the bag, and the sacred myths of any
given race's genetic preeminence and cultural superiority are set reeling
from the blows delivered by PRE-historic archeological findings around the
globe, what's the point of all this looking for "the FIRST" men "arriving" on
ANY continent from "elsewhere"?  Is there some kind of politicized Olympic
"race"1 to determine which "race"2 travelled farthest the fastest and
earliest, offering gold, silver, or bronze medals, prizes worth their weight
in vanity?
An attempt to argue continental-scale "eminent domain" via retroactive deeds
of title?
A cloud of meta-political pretensions still hangs dark and heavy over this
"battlefield"
which, to archeologists at ground-level, looks more like a round-robin game
of tag ...

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Re: [CTRL] FW: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

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In a message dated 99-12-09 10:26:28 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I'd say, very subtly, the ones that are in control, and using for European
(crowds) control, the post accelerator technological developments in Geneva.
Is HAARP so far off from Montauk?

If "Montauk" is a "mind-control"-useful technology like HAARP, by all means
let us keep our eye on it as a "black project" in which the CIA and other
intelligence agencies would have a vested interest in OBSCURING.  If, on the
other hand, "Montauk" is understood INSTEAD as a "ritually abusing"
"time-travel project" which resulted in the time-defying "reincarnation" of
its WWII subjects in postwar fetuses, "walk-ins" of Pleiadian or Sirian
aliens, "remote viewing" of sites on Mars and the Atlantis on eons ago, and
other such nonsense generated by confabulators like Al Bielek and Peter Moon,
reported as "fact" by the likes of Brad Steiger, we'd do well to ask
ourselves why an effort is being made to steer the attention of the gullible
UFO flock off into the ozone, AWAY from whatever government agencies may
REALLY be doing at Montauk.  The best possible "cover" for a top-secret
military project is to associate it with grade-C sci-fi fantasies and occult
mumbo-jumbo, because if THAT bullshit is all it's associated with, the
educated public will never take it SERIOUSLY: As long as we "watch the skies"
glassy-eyed, looking for "extraterrestrials," we'll all be too preoccupied to
notice anything less "glamorous," more down-to-earth, but seriously REAL
happening, in terms of a military/intelligence technology, INCLUDING
PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE.

And THIS is where Jacques Vallee comes in -- as a scientist who's concluded
from his own investigations that (1) much of the popular "extraterrestrial"
UFO mythology is deliberately GENERATED and/or PROMOTED by disinformation
agents as part of a decades-old military/intelligence/government PSY-WAR
operation (see, e.g., Vallee's reprinting of the previously classified
"Pentacle" papers), (2) many "alien abduction" experiences revivified under
hypnosis turn out to be hypnotically-implanted  "screen memories" covering up
REAL memories (which CONTINUED hypnosis can uncover) of being programmed by
lab-coated or uniform-wearing HUMAN beings, during some kind of "mind
control" experiment, (3) all the initial symptoms of "contact" with "UFOS" and
their occupants --bright lights, "missing time," a feeling of floating, etc--
match what HUMAN "mind control" technology can produce, using mobile EM
generators and the
like, augmented by hypnosis used to produce false memories, and most
importantly, (4)
many of the characters actively involved in the "New Age" scene, promoting
belief in extraterrestrials and occult ideas, once were or still are
functionaries of secret military
or CIA "psy-ops" projects, who conceal or minimize their "intelligence"
connections -- thus supporting Vallee's "non-extratterestrial" thesis in
"Messengers of Deception."

Now, what's interesting about Vallee is that, even while arguing that MOST
so-called
"UFO experiences" --particularly those involving psychological effects on the
persons who report them-- are a product of TERRESTRIAL and HUMAN psych
warfare agents, he does NOT say that ALL such bizarre experiences are -- in
fact, he cites a wealth of UFO-related paranormal experiences that DO in fact
appear to be "not of this world," which the counterfeit manufactured
experiences apparently strive to IMITATE -- as if EITHER to try to DISCREDIT
the former, or else to CAPITALIZE ON their "legendary" reputation (see
Vallee's "Passport to Magonia"), in order to tap into something in the
"primitive" collective psyche which predisposes people toward BELIEF and
superstitious
emotions like AWE or FEAR, useful to "mind-controllers."  THAT understood,
Vallee is no "debunker" of "UFO" experiences across the board -- just a
SKEPTIC about them.

My defense of Vallee as NOT a "CIA agent" rests on his open-minded attitude
toward the phenomenon, as befits anyone with a TRULY scientific mind, and his
concern for  how uncritical belief in the phenomenon can be exploited for
psy-warfare purposes by
sinister government and NGO agencies --that includes the CIA, with its
MK-ULTRA-- and by "secret societies," which tend to manipulate believers
through "occult" ideas.
It is NOT to the advantage of the CIA or other intelligence agencies for him
to promote
public SKEPTICISM on the subject and public SUSPICION of ulterior "psy-war"
motives in those who, on the other hand, are "true believers," promoting a
"cult-like" belief in the hypothesis of "extraterrestrial" origin (and thus
the sociological effects of such a belief).
It IS to the advantage of the CIA and other intelligence or
quasi-intelligence agencies (including, for example, Scientology and other
"secret societies") to SMEAR Vallee, in an effort to detract from the
feasibility of the COUNTER-hypotheses he has proposed.

There are plenty of "celebrities" in the 

[CTRL] MK-ULTRA and Beyond

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Subj: Skywatch: MK-ULTRA
Date: 97-06-15 04:24:41 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Constantine)
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

SKYWATCH wrote:

 --- Forwarded Message Follows ---
 From:  "Richard G. Gall" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:   Mind Control MK-ULTRA
 Date:  Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:33:48 +0100

 MIND CONTROL  MK-ULTRA

On 28 November 1953, a delusional and depressed Dr Frank
Olson threw himself out of the tenth floor window of his New York
hotel.  Olson was a long-serving scientist for the US Army's
secretive Chimical Corps Special Operations Division, whose
problems began at a meeting 9 days earlier.  The meeting had been
orchestrated by Sidnet Gottlieb, Head of the CIA's Technical
Services Staff.  Unknown to those present at the meeting,
Gottlieb had aquired a quantity of LSD and secretly wanted to
test it.  Spiking Olson's drink with the LSD, he passed the
bottle around and sat back waiting for results.  Olson, an
outgoing personality  who loved practical jokes, soon began to
suffer jarring side effects.
One of those present at the meeting, Ben Wilson, later
recalled that Olson 'was psychotic'.
Gottlieb and his boss, the Director of Central Intelligence,
Allen Dulles, initiated a 20-year cover-up of the circumstances
surrounding Olson's death.

At stake was the CIA's super secret project, MK-ULTRA.  The
project had grown out of an earlier secret programme, known as
Bluebird, that was officially formed to counter Soviet advances
in brainwashing.  In reality the CIA had other objectives.  An
earlier aim was to study methods 'through which control of an
individual may be attained'.  The emphasis of experimentation was
'narco-hypnosis', the blending of mind altering drugs with
careful hypnotic programming.

Ever evolving, project Bluebird was later renamed Project
Artichoke, after a vegetable that Dulles was particularly fond
of.  Artichoke was an 'offensive' programme of mind control that
gathered together the intelligence divisions of the Army, Navy,
Air Farce and FBI.

The scope of the project was outlined in a memorandum dated
January 1952 that ominously asked: "Can we get control of an
individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his
will and even against fundamental laws of nature such as self
preservation?"  The race was on to create a programmable
assassin!

A crack CIA team was formed that could travel, at a moments
notice, to anywhere in the world.  Their task was to test the new
interrogation techniques, and ensure that victims would not
remember being interrogated and programmed.  All manner of
narcotics, from marijuana to LSD, heroin and sodium pentathol
(the so called 'truth drug') were regularly used.

Despite poor initial results, CIA-sponsored mind control
programmes flourished.  On 13 April 1953, the super-secret
project MK-ULTRA was born.  Its scope was broader than ever
before, and only those in the top echelon of the CIA were privy
to it.  Official CIA documents describe MK-ULTRA as an 'umbrella
project' with 149 'sub-projects'. Many of these sub-projects
dealt with testing illegal drugs for potential field use.
Others dealt with electronics.  One explored the possibility
of activating 'the human organism by remote control'. Throughout,
it remained a major goal to brainwash individuals to become
couriers and spies without their knowledge.

When it was formed in 1947, the CIA was forbidden to have any
domestic police or internal security powers.  In short, it was
authorized only to operate 'overseas'.  From the very start
MK-ULTRA staff broke this Congressional stipulation and began
testing on unwitting US citizens.

Precisely how extensive illegal testing became will never be
known.  Richard Helms, CIA Director and chief architect of the
programme, ordered the destruction of all MK-ULTRA records
shortly before leaving office in 1973.  Despite these precautions
some documents were misfiled and came to light in the late
1970's.  They laid bare the spy agency's cynicism.

One particularly odious project was run by Dr Harris Isabel,
Director of the Public Service Hospital in Lexington, Kentucky -
a facility specializing in drug abuse.  Asked by the CIA to
discover a range of 'synthetic' drugs, Isabel began experimenting
on captive black inmates.  Anxious to please his CIA bosses he
daily fed his guinea pigs large doses of LSD, mescaline,
marijuana, scopolamine and other substances. In exchange for
participating in the experiments, the inmates received injections
of high quality morphine, sometimes getting 'shot-up' three
times a day, depending on their co-operation.  Brought before the
Senate subcommittees in 1975, Isabel saw no contradiction in
providing hard drugs to the very addicts he was employed to cure.

Following public outrage, the CIA announced it had ceased its
mind manipulation programmes.  Victor Marchetti, a CIA 

[CTRL] UFOs: The Pentacle Memorandum

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The following is quoted from Jacque Vallee's "Forbidden Science"



THE PENTACLE MEMORANDUM

Central Intelligence Agency
Washington 25, D.C.

Office of the Director

Memorandum to: Director, Psychological Strategy Board

Subject: Flying Saucers

 1.I am today transmitting to the National Security Council a
proposal (TAB A) in which it is concluded that the problems
connected with unidentified flying objects appear to have
implications for psychological warfare as well as for
intelligence and operations.

 2.The background for this view is presented in some detail
in TAB B.

 3.I suggest that we discuss as an early board meeting the
possible offensive or defensive utilization of these phenomena
for psychological warfare purposes.

Walter B[edell] Smith
Director [of the CIA]

Enclosure

_

[Note: for additional information regarding this controversial
document, contact Technology 1999, 3739 8th Ave, Suite One, San
Diego, CA 92103-4327, (888) 223-1999]
_

January 9, 1953

SECRET SECURITY INFORMATION

G-1579-4
cc: B.D. Thomas
H.C. Cross / A.D. Westerman
L.R. Jackson
W.T. Reid
P.J. Rieppal
V.W. Ellsey / R.J. Lund
Files
Extra [handwritten]

Mr. Miles E. Coll
Box 9575
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio

Attention Capt. Edward J. Ruppelt

Dear Mr. Coll:

This letter concerns a preliminary recommendation to ATIC on
future methods of handling the problem of unidentified aerial
objects. This recommendation is based on our experience to date
in analyzing several thousands of reports on this subject. We
regard the recommendation as preliminary because our analysis is
not yet complete, and we are not able to document it where we
feel it should be supported by facts from the analysis.

We are making this recommendation prematurely because of a
CIA-sponsored meeting of a scientific panel, meeting in
Washington, D.C., January 14, 15, and 16, 1953, to consider the
problem of "flying saucers".

The CIA-sponsored meeting is being hold subsequent to a meeting
of CIA, ATIC, and our representatives held at ATIC on December
12, 1952. At the December 12 meeting our representatives strongly
recommended that a scientific panel not be set up until the
results of our analysis of the sighting-reports collected by ATIC
were available.

Since a meeting of the panel is now definitely scheduled we feel
that agreement between Project Stork and ATIC should be reached
as to what can and what cannot be discussed at the meeting in
Washington on January 14-16 concerning our preliminary
recommendation to ATIC.

Experience to date on our study of unidentified flying objects
shows that there is a distinct lack of reliable data with which
to work. Even the best-documented reports are frequently lacking
in critical information that makes it impossible to arrive at a
possible identification, i.e. even in a well-documented report
there is always an element of doubt about the data, either
because the observer had no means of getting the required data,
or was not prepared to utilize the means at his disposal.
Therefore, we recommend that a controlled experiment be set up
by which reliable physical data can be obtained. A tentative
preliminary plan by which the experiment could be designed and
carried out is discussed in the following paragraphs.

Based on our experience so far, it is expected that certain
conclusions will be reached as a result of our analysis which
will make obvious the need for an effort to obtain reliable data
from competent observers using the [...unreadable...] necessary
equipment. Until more reliable data are available, no positive
answers to the problem will be possible.

We expect that our analysis will show that certain areas in the
United States have had an abnormally high number of reported
incidents of unidentified flying objects. Assuming that, from
our analysis, several definite areas productive of reports can be
selected, we recommend that one or two of theses areas be set up
as experimental areas. This area, or areas, should have
observation posts with complete visual skywatch, with radar and
photographic coverage, plus all other instruments necessary or
helpful in obtaining positive and reliable data on everything in
the air over the area. A very complete record of the weather
should also be kept during the time of the experiment.

Coverage should be so complete that any object in the air could
be tracked, and information as to its altitude, velocity, size,
shape, color, time of day, etc. could be recorded. All balloon
releases or known balloon paths, aircraft flights, and flights
of rockets in the test area should be known to those in charge of
the experiment. Many different types of aerial activity should be
secretly and purposefully scheduled within the area.

We recognize that this proposed experiment would amount to a
large-scale 

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Mind Control

by Harry V. Martin and David Caul
Copyright (c) 1991, Napa Sentinel

One of the fascinating aspects of the scandals that plague the
U.S. Government is the fact that so often the same names appear
from scandal to scandal. From the origins of Ronald Reagan's
political career, as Governor of California, Dr. Earl Brian and
Edward Meese played key advisory roles.

Dr. Brian's name has been linked to the October Surprise and is a
central figure in the government's theft of PROMIS soft ware from
INSLAW. Brian's role touches from the Cabazon Indian scandals to
United Press International. He is one of those low-profile key
figures.

And, alas, his name appears again in the nation's behavior
modification and mind control experiments. Dr. Brian was Reagan's
Secretary of Health when Reagan was Governor. Dr. Brian was an
advocate of state subsidies for a research center for the study
of violent behavior. The center was to begin operations by
mid-1975, and its research was intended to shed light on why
people murder or rape, or hijack aircraft. The center was
to be operated by the University of California at Los Angeles,
and its primary purpose, ac cording to Dr. Brian, was to unify
scattered studies on anti-social violence and possibly even touch
on socially tolerated violence, such as football or war. Dr.
Brian sought $1.3 million for the center.

It certainly was possible that prison inmates might be used as
volunteer subjects at the center to discover the unknowns which
triggered their violent behavior. Dr. Brian's quest for the
center came at the same time Governor Reagan concluded his plans
to phase the state of California out of the mental hospital
business by 1982. Reagan's plan is echoed by Governor Pete Wilson
today, to place the responsibility of rehabilitating young
offenders squarely on the shoulders of local communities.

But as the proposal became known more publicly, a swell of
controversy surrounded it. It ended in a fiasco. The inspiration
for the violence center came from three doctors in 1967, five
years before Dr. Brian and Governor Reagan unveiled their plans.
Amidst urban rioting and civil protest, Doctors Sweet, Mark and
Ervin of Harvard put forward the thesis that individuals who
engage in civil disobedience possess defective or damaged brain
cells. If this conclusion were applied to the American Revolution
or the Women's Rights Movement, a good portion of American
society would be labeled as having brain damage.

In a letter to the Journal of the American Medical Association,
they stated: "That poverty, unemployment, slum housing, and
inadequate education underlie the nation's urban riots is well
known, but the obviousness of these causes may have blinded us to
the more subtle role of other possible factors, including brain
dysfunction in the rioters who engaged in arson, sniping and
physical assault.

"There is evidence from several sources that brain dysfunction
related to a focal lesion plays a significant role in the violent
and assaultive behavior of thoroughly studied patients.
Individuals with electroencephalographic abnormalities in the
temporal region have been found to have a much greater frequency
of behavioral abnormalities (such as poor impulse control,
assaultiveness, and psychosis) than is present in people with a
normal brain wave pattern."

Soon after the publication in the Journal, Dr. Ervin and Dr. Mark
published their book Violence and the Brain, which included the
claim that there were as many as 10 million individuals in the
United States "who suffer from obvious brain disease". They
argued that the data of their book provided a strong reason for
starting a program of mass screening of Americans.

"Our greatest danger no longer comes from famine or communicable
disease. Our greatest danger lies in ourselves and in our fellow
humans...we need to develop an 'early warning test' of limbic
brain function to detect those humans who have a low threshold
for impulsive violence...Violence is a public health problem, and
the major thrust of any program dealing with violence must be
toward its prevention," they wrote.

The Law Enforcement Assistance Administration funded the doctors
$108,000 and the National Institute of Mental Health kicked in
another $500,000, under pressure from Congress. They believed
that psychosurgery would inevitably be performed in connection
with the program, and that, since it irreversibly impaired
people's emotional and intellectual capacities, it could be used
as an instrument of repression and social control.

The doctors wanted screening centers established throughout the
nation. In California, the publicity associated with the doctors'
report, aided in the development of The Center for the study and
Reduction of Violence. Both the state and LEAA provided the
funding. The center was to serve as a model for future facilities
to be set up throughout the United States.

The Director of the Neuropsychiatric Institute and 

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Subj: [CTRL] Philip Corso  the Kennedy Assassination
Date: 97-07-14 03:33:37 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Constantine)
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Philip Corso  the Kennedy Assassination

   From The Man Who Knew Too Much, by Dick Russell,
p. 529, concerning Colonel Philip Corso, a recent honored
guest on Art Bell's syndicated program, a clearinghouse
for intelligence agents promoting the "alien" cover story.

[Note: General Willoughby, prominent in the text, was
General MacArthur's intelligence chief in Korea, a Nazi
agent and a ramrod in the Shickshinny Knights of Malta
of New York, a fascist enclave.]

"Willoughby was in auspicious company, for the
Shickshinny Kinghts had an "Armed Services Committee"
that inj 1963 read like a Who's Who of retired military
men at the extremist fringe. All of these "Knights" had
been 'singled out for their brilliant and outstanding careers
as Soldiers of Christ nd Advoates of a Free World.' Besides
Willoughby [ie., Adolph Weidenback], they included a number
of other members of MacArthur's old team - Brigadier
General Bonner Fellers, Lieutenant General Pedro del Valle
[an ITT Vice president, led CIA operations in the Chilé coup]
Marine General Lemmel Shepherd, British admiral Sir Barry
Domville, jailed in England during World War II as a Nazi
agent, was also on the list.
"So was Colonel Philip J. Corso, a twenty-year Army
Intelligence career man until his retirement in August 1963.
He had been the military Operations Coordinating Board's
delegate to the CIA group planning the 1954 Guatemalan coup.
In 1956 Corso had sought to reactivate fifty surviving garrisons
of East European paramilitary units still haning on in West
Germany and tied to the Gehlen spy network. When his Volunteer
Freedom Corps, dedicated to rolling back communism, was
scuttled as too radical by the Eisenhower administration, Corso
attributed the defeat to 'lies by our liberal darlings.' A
staunch foe of what he considered a laissez-faire CIA, Corso
testified before congress on "military muzzling" after General
Walker was kicked out of West Germany in 1961. Upon leaving Army
intelligence, Corso went to work in 1963 as a 'research
assistant' for segregationist senator Strom Thurmond in South
Carolina. And, after the Kennedy assassination, Corso was among
the first to spread rumors that Oswald was tied to a Communist
ring inside the CIA - and doubling as an informant for the FBI."

- Alex Constantine



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http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/people/c/corso/Philip Corso

From: Greg Sandow lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Corso's book
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:34:25 -0400

Damn. I never meant to buy it. I just thought I'd sit and read it
in the bookstore, to see what it was like. But it turned out to
be more substantial, more dubious, and more just plain quirky
than I expected, so I had to have a copy.

Here's what's in it. The central UFO theme is a lot more detailed
and newer than anyone has yet suggested here. But there's a
smorgasbord of UFO references -- Roswell, abductions, the autopsy
film, cattle mutilations, MJ-12 -- so random and incoherent you
can easily suspect they were tossed in by someone who didn't
really know the UFO literature, to give a manufactured story
credibility.

And that's not all. Corso makes claims about non-UFO history --
the U-2 incident and the Cuban Missile Crisis -- that are, shall
we say, at variance with the usuaul accounts. It turns out, in
fact, that even in non-UFO terms Corso is a key figure in postwar
events, and, if we factor in his alleged UFO role, he becomes one
of the most important people in the 20th century. Though to give
him credit, he's modest about his stature and in fact says that
the importance of his work hadn't even occured to him until he
sat down to write what apparently (he's not entirely clear about
this) was originally going to be quite a different memoir.

If I've read him correctly on this last point, of course, then
Thurmond's staff might be right when they say they originally had
an outline with nothing in it about UFOs. However, Corso says in
the book that Thurmond knew the UFO secret, so Thurmond was going
to be involved with the book whether he wrote the foreword or
not.

To discuss some of these points in greater detail:

The key to Corso's UFO information is the title of the book --
"The Day After Roswell." This refers to something initially quite
limited, and fascinating -- what happened to the crash debris.
Corso says that it initially got scattered scientific study, some
of which led to the development of the transitor. But then it
languished, until the early '60s when Corso went to work for a
foreign technology unit of the army. His superior asked him to
look at the stuff, and suggest what might be done with it.
Corso's report (I'm leaving out all the "supposedly"s 

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Subj: [CTRL] Jack Parsons and Operation Paperclip
Date: 97-07-21 01:50:13 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Constantine)
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jack Parsons and Operation Paperclip

In the Pentagon, Assistant Secretary of War John J.
McCloy, formerly a Wall Street attorney, used his authority to
intervene in the executions of convicted Nazi war criminals.
McCloy arranged to have Klaus Barbie sheltered from prosecution
by the 970th Counter-Intelligence Corps at Oberamergau. His
interest in the Nazis was obvious: McCloy represented Standard
Oil and Chase Manhattan, both high-handed investors in Nazi
Germany. Before the war, McCloy had been a legal adviser to I.G.
Farben, the German chemical conglomerate that financially hoisted
many in the Hitler regime to power and prospered by Jewish slave
labor at Auschwitz and elsehwere.
After the fall of Berlin, the Allies launched "Operation
Lusty" to gather scientific papers, blueprints and experimental
models hidden away in abandoned mines, ancient castles, caves and
vaults buried throughout occupied Europe. The confiscation of
German scientific files and prototypes was the chore of Allied
"T-Forces," OSS and military operatives assisted by "Paperclip"
personnel, playing escort to the Nazi thirst for bloodshed. In
his review of Nazi technology, Colonel Donald Putt, assistant
commanding officer of the Allied Technical Information Service
(soon to serve in Operation Paperclip with a promotion to Lt.
General), stated in July 1946 that fleeing German scientists had
left behind, at Peenemunde, Wiener Neustadt (home of the famed
Nazi Foo Fighters) and elsewhere, prototypical marvels of future
air warfare.
After the occupation, Colonel Putt toured the
once-bustling RD complex at Volkenrode. Kamikaze journalist Tom
Bower reported in 1987 that Putt was "amazed." Strolling though
the Nazi laboratories, the colonel "realized he was in the midst
of [the] most magnificent and lavish research facility ever
constructed. The sheer abundance and extravagance of the
instruments, subsidiary tools and testing equipment were
awe-inspiring."
Theodore von Karmen, an American scientific adviser to
the Air Force, was also struck by the show of German technical
su-periority. He was one of a small circle of military officials
who, Tom Bower reports, "forged the wartime marriage between the
military and the scientists." Von Karmen found employment after
the war at Cal Tech, where he worked closely with Jack Parsons,
the head of the Agape Lodge of the Ordo Templis Orientis
(OTO), the occult lodge in Pasadena.
A publicity release from Kelly Air Force Base touts
Karman and Putt as originators of "a program to bring hundreds of
Germany's best scientists and technicians to the United States."
Colonel Putt was a founder of the Air Force Scientific
and Technical Intelligence Division. He was the deputy commanding
general for intelligence in the Air Technical Service after the
war. In 1995, the colonel was inducted into the Air Intelligence
Agency's "Hall of Honor."


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Subject:  [CTRL] Jack Parsons and Operation Paperclip
Subj: [CTRL] Parsons/Hubbard
Date: 97-07-20 13:53:23 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan)
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello,
I am looking for information concerning Jack Parsons and L. Ron
Hubbard.
I am looking for any sources other than "Jack Parsons and the
Fall of Babalon." by Paul Rydeen. I do not have this book so do
not have the sources he used, although just from information from
the net I was able to compile the following: (would appreciate
any corrections/ additional sources/information:"
==

Jack Parsons was a rocket fuel chemist whose early efforts in
rocket engineering provided a fundamental building block for the
later N.A.S.A. experiments of the 1950's and 1960's. Parsons was
closely associated with the California Institute of  Technology,
and in the late 1930's, helped pioneer the original scientific
military  rocket program which later became N.A.S.A. known as the
Jep Propulsion Laboratory.  Acting as the American counterparts
of what was to be the German Project Paperclip, most if not all
of the original JPL scientific team were members of mystic secret
societies, and that does not exclude Parsons.

Jack Parsons was born on October 2nd, 1914 in Los Angeles, and
was a child caught in the middle of a broken marriage. He
dedicated much of his childhood to isolation, absorbing knowledge
and drowning himself in strange delusions. Parsons, at one point,
learned that he was a descendant of a British HellFire Club
founder, and as a result possessed more of an open-mind in
regards to that which is hidden. At one point, Parsons came
across the teachings of Aleister Crowley, self-proclaimed
"antichrist 666," and member of several secret societies
including the egyptian-styled Golden Dawn, and the
deemed-"quasi-masonic" 

[CTRL] EM Mind Control (2/2)

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cont'd from Part 1

 These {NLT Weapons} included "Acoustic" (pulsed/attenuated
high-intensity sound, infrasound (very low frequency) and
Polysound (high volume, distracting) as well as High-power
microwaves (HPM) that possessed the capability of
"deters/incapacitates people...
 These and other classified weapons are being passed to
domestic law enforcement agencies as shown by the 1995 ONDCP
(Office of National Drug Control Policy) International Technology
Symposium "Counter-Drug Law Enforcement: Applied Technology for
Improved Operational Effectiveness" that outlined the "Transition
of advanced military technologies to the civil law enforcement
environment"
 There are some observers who fear that the burgeoning
narcotics industry is an ideal "cover" in which to "transit" Non
Lethal Technologies to domestic political tasks.  Whether this is
merely a misplaced "Orwellian" fear remains to be seen.  However,
organised crime is so globally "organised" that experts now
believe it is impossible to eradicate or even effectively
combat.27
 The foregoing gives some necessary background to the origins
and timing surrounding the development
of anti-personnel electromagnetic weapons, and in particular
demonstrates that the USA have an intense and long established
interest in mind control and behaviour modification that spans
five decades.
  As we have seen, fragmentary information has surfaced for
brief spells, only to disappear, once more, from public scrutiny.

It remains to be said that a great many advances in the realm of
electromagnetic field technology and mind control techniques
have, apparently, been made during the sixties, seventies and
eighties.  In particular, veterans of the Vietnam war are still
coming forward with bizarre stories, which collectively (if
true?) point to a leap in knowledge that largely remains hidden
behind the thick curtain of security classification.28  Major
Edward Dames, formerly with the Pentagon's Defence Intelligence
Agency until 1992, was a long serving member of the highly
classified operation GRILL-FLAME, a programme that focused on
some of the more bizarre possibilities of intelligence gathering
and remote interrogation.  Known as "remote viewers" GRILL-FLAME
personnel possessed a marked psychic ability that was put to use
"penetrating" designated targets and gathering important
intelligence on significant figures.  The programme operated with
two teams; one working out of the top secret NSA facility at Fort
George Meade in Maryland, and the other at SRI.  Results are said
to have been exemplary.
  Following the Oliver North debacle the Secretary of Defense
officially terminated GRILL-FLAME fearing bad publicity were the
programme to  become known to the public.  The leading members of
the project - including Dames - immediately relocated to the
privately owned and newly formed Psi-Tech, and continue their
work to this day, operating under government contract.   In the
course of his work, Dames was (and remains) close to many the
leading figures and proponents Anti-Personnel Electromagnetic
Weapons especially those that operate in the neurological field.
During NBC's "The Other Side" programme, Dames stated that "The
US Government has an electronic device which could implant
thoughts in people."  He refused to comment further.  The
programme was broadcast during April of last year (1995).
  This over-view is merely a "fragmentary" glimpse of
programmes that have been, and continue to be blanketed under
tight security classification.
  Where information was available through FOIA filings, a
great deal of additional information (in fact the greatest bulk)
was purposely destroyed or otherwise lost.  However, this writer
considers that what is available is sufficient to draw the
conclusion that ongoing research, development and deployment of
EM weapon systems that impact on the biological functions of the
body, or more importantly, interfere with the human mind, are
cause for the greatest humanitarian concern.
  In an age where the threat of global warfare has diminished
as a result of the easing of tension between east and west, it
can be anticipated that some form of introspection will occur in
the developed western nations.  Societies that have been
generationally and economically honed for warfare do not, on the
whole, assume "for peace" production with such vigour and
ability. Why this is so, is not the subject of this paper.
Unable to so readily project the "shadow" outwards on to another
nation, the enemy without soon distils to become the enemy
within?29  In the United States30, for example, there is a
rapidly developing trend of co-operation between the military and
law enforcement agencies in LTL weaponry.  Whilst it is clear
that this is driven to some extent by budgetary considerations,
there remain legitimate concerns regarding the longer term effect
on democracy.
  The reality of an increasingly (and 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:58:22 -0400
From: Kris Millegan  RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SOME ASPECTS OF ANTI PERSONNEL ELECTROMAGNETIC WEAPONS
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SOME ASPECTS OF ANTI PERSONNEL ELECTROMAGNETIC WEAPONS
Synopsis prepared for the ICRC Symposium
THE MEDICAL PROFESSION AND THE EFFECTS OF WEAPONS
February 1996


BACKGROUND - 1940 THROUGH 1995

 The background to the development of anti-personnel
electromagnetic weapons can be traced by to the early-middle
1940's and possibly earlier.  The earliest extant reference, to
my knowledge, was contained in the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey
(Pacific Survey, Military Analysis Division, Volume 63) which
reviewed Japanese research and development efforts on a "Death
Ray".
  Whilst not reaching the stage of practical application,
research was considered to be sufficiently promising to warrant
the expenditure of Yen 2 million during the years 1940-1945.
Summarizing the Japanese efforts allied scientists concluded that
a ray apparatus might be developed that could kill unshielded
human beings at a distance of 5 to 10 miles.  Studies
demonstrated that, for example, automobile engines could be
stopped by tuned waves as early as 1943.1 It is, therefore,
reasonable to suppose that this technique has been available for
a great many years?   Research on living organisms ( mice and
ground hogs) revealed that waves from 2 meters to 60 centimeters
in length caused hemorrhage of lungs, whereas waves shorter than
two meters destroyed brain cells.
 However, experiments in behaviour modification and mind
manipulation have a grisly past.  Nazi doctors at the Dachau
concentration camp conducted involuntary experiments with
hypnosis and narco-hypnosis - using the drug mescaline - on
inmates.  Additional research was conducted at Aushwitz, using a
range of chemicals including various barbiturates and morphine
derivatives.
  Many of these experiments proved fatal.  Following the
conclusion of the war the U.S. Naval Technical Mission was tasked
with obtaining pertinent industria l and scientific material that
had been produced by the Third Reich and which may be of benefit
to U.S. interests.  Following a lengthy report the Navy
instigated Project CHATTER in 1947.  Many of the Nazi scientists
and medical doctors who conducted these and other hideous
experiments were later recruited by the U.S. Army and worked out
of Heidelberg prior to being secretly relocated to the United
States under the Project PAPERCLIP programme.  Under the
leadership of Dr. Hubertus Strughold, 34 ex Nazi scientists
accepted "Paperclip" contracts, authorised by the Joint Chiefs of
Staff, and were put to work at Randolph Air Force Base, San
Antonio, Texas.
  By 1953 the CIA, US Navy and the US Army Chemical Corps
were conducting their own narco-hypnosis programmes on unwilling
victims that included prisoners, mental patients, foreigners,
ethic minorities and those classified as sexual deviants.2 It was
not until the middle or late 1970's that the American public
became aware of a series of hitherto secret programmes that had
been conducted over the preceding two decades by the military and
intelligence community.3 Primarily focusing on narco-hypnosis
these covert programmes were extensive and were assigned project
titles: MKULTRA, MKDELTA, MKNAOMI, MKSEARCH (MK being understood
to stand for Mind Kontrol), BLUEBIRD, ARTICHOKE and CHATTER.
   The principal aim of these  and associated programmes was
the development of a reliable "programmable" assassin.  Secondary
aims were the development of a method of citizen control.4
Particularly relevant was Dr. Jose Delgado's secret work directed
towards the creation of a "psycho-civilised" society by use of a
"stimoceiver."5   Delgado's work was seminal and his experiments
on human and animals demonstrated that electronic stimulation can
excite extreme emotions including rage, lust, fatigue etc.  In
his paper "Intracerebral Radio Stimulation and recording in
Completely Free Patients" , Delgado observed that: "Radio
Stimulation on different points in the amygdala and hippocampus
in the four patients produced a variety of effect, including
pleasant sensations, elation, deep thoughtful concentration, odd
feelings, super relaxation (an essential precursor for deep
hypnosis 6) coloured visions, and other responses."  With regard
to the "coloured visions" citation, it is reasonable to conclude
he was referring to hallucinations - an effect that a number of
so called "victims" allude to.7  As far back as 1969, Delgado
predicted the day would soon arrive when a computer would be able
to establish two-way radio communication with the brain, an event
that first occurred in 1974.  Lawrence Pinneo, a
neurophysiologist and electronic engineer working for Stanford
Research 

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 Interviewer: There have been rumors and speculations that
Roswell, and what came from Roswell --the way we exploited
Roswell technology-- might not have been the very first time such
a thing happened. There have even been indications that the NAZIS
had done such a thing FIRST, that some of their extraordinary
technological developments may have come from a similar source.

 PHILIP CORSO:  Yes, true.  I had German scientists on my
team.  I discussed this with Oberth and Von Braun.  (I was part
of Project Paperclip.)  There WERE crashes in Germany.  THEY
gathered material too.  The Germans WERE working on it [in WWII],
but they didn't solve the propulsion system [problem].  They did
a lot of experiments on flying saucers.  They had one that went
up 12,000 feet ...

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CNI NEWS INTERVIEWS COLONEL PHILIP CORSO

 [From the moment he arrived in Roswell, New Mexico last
week, Colonel Philip Corso was in constant demand for press
interviews. Despite his advanced age, Corso was energetic, lucid
and very generous with his time. CNI News editor Michael
Lindemann was fortunate to be invited to privately interview the
Colonel in his hotel room on Saturday morning, July 5. Also
present were the Colonel's son, Philip Jr., and William Birnes,
co-author with Colonel Corso of the bombshell book, "The Day
After Roswell."
 In the book, Corso says that a genuine alien spacecraft,
with bodies, was recovered near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. He
says he personally viewed one of the dead alien bodies. More
importantly, he says that during the early 1960s, he was
stationed at the Pentagon under the command of General Arthur
Trudeau, and was assigned the super-secret task of parceling
pieces of alien spacecraft wreckage out to various
defense-related companies who could back engineer the alien
material into useful human technology.  From this program, Corso
says, sprang such strategically important developments as the
integrated circuit for computers, fiber optics, advanced night
vision technology and lasers.
 Lindemann arrived at Corso's room as a previous interview
was concluding. The Colonel and Mr. Birnes were explaining how
Corso had arranged for the safe passage of 10,000 Jewish refugees
out of Rome to Palestine just after the end of World War II.

   Lindemann picked up on this theme to start the CNI News
interview.]

 ML: Not only are you a highly decorated military officer,
but it seems you've always been willing to be a bit of a maverick
when it comes to "doing the right thing," even if it makes some
other people uncomfortable, to the point where this latest
disclosure about Roswell seems essentially in character for you.
But this is a bigger disclosure, a bigger departure from the norm
than your previous actions, don't you think?
 Corso: Well, some other things have been pretty important.
Like when I moved those 10,000 Jews, I thought nothing of it, but
people said what a big thing it was. Putting Rome back on its
feet was important. I don't think this is bigger than some of
those things. Even the looks on the families' faces in front of
Congress [when he testified about American POWs left in North
Korea], that was pretty important to those people. And this one
here, I think, fits in with all those others. Yes, it's
important, because like they say, it might have changed the
course of the world. Well, I have to give a lot of credit to
General Trudeau, who made it possible, and to the other people
who were with me. Maybe we changed the course of the world. The
thing that I've done now is going to affect the future. That's
why I bring the children in on it, the young ones. We're old now,
we're going to be moving on. But they're going to be here. Let
them know what happened. I think it's of great importance that
those children are going to read this and know what happened and
what it came from, and that it was true. It did happen. They
have to know what's involved, and what it's leading to. They're
the ones who will be involved in what it leads to. From that
point of view, it's the most important thing I ever did.
 ML: Where do you think it leads? You allude in your book to
the possibility that maybe there's a hostile potential here.
 Corso: When you're in the military, you always have to
figure on that hostile part. You can't disregard that. Our motto
was, "Just in case, we're going to be ready." What's it going to
be in the future? At RD, we called it the dawn of a New Age,
maybe a new world. The world's not going to stop. Maybe this was
a seed that was sown to start a new world. Look what they did
with the [computer] chip -- in just a few years, how it blossomed
out into the supercomputer. I said to General Trudeau, "What are
we unleashing on the world, General? If this can integrate with
the brain, there's great danger." He said, "Yes, Phil, but the
people coming after us, we hope, will 

[CTRL] The Secret Branch of Government

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Fla. Judge Blocks Access to Reports

By RICHARD CARELLI
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal judge in Florida has cut off public access
nationwide to the financial disclosure reports all federal judges are
required to file each year, an unprecedented move that is drawing strong
rebukes from open-records advocates.

U.S. District Judge William J. Zloch ordered the moratorium out of concern
that posting the reports on the Internet would mean ``universal and anonymous
access, raising security issues,'' said federal courts spokeswoman Karen
Redmond.

Since 1979, federal judges and other high-ranking federal officials have been
required by federal law to report all stock holdings and other family assets
within broad ranges of estimated worth. They also must list gifts and other
reimbursements.

Home addresses, telephone numbers and other information raising obvious
privacy issues need not be listed.

The Administrative Office of U.S. Courts routinely has made copies of reports
available, for a fee, to anyone who requests them after requesters identify
themselves and disclose their occupation.

The action by Zloch, in an order issued last week in Fort Lauderdale, came
after a news organization, APBnews.com, requested the 1998 financial
disclosure reports of some 1,600 active and semiretired federal judges and
magistrates as part of a project that would make all of them available on the
Internet.

Zloch's order blocking public release of all reports is temporary - designed
to give a committee of judges time to discuss the ramifications of an
Internet posting, Redmond said, and could end as soon as Friday.

But that did not appease some critics.

``It's appalling. It's basically the courts saying, 'We favor access as long
as it's not meaningful,''' said Gregg Leslie, acting executive director of
the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. ``This judge apparently
does not appreciate the interests behind access, the importance of public
accountability,'' he said.

Paul McMasters of the Freedom Forum said: ``The security of judges is no
minor matter but neither is full and free access to information about public
officials. I hope the federal judiciary will quickly reconsider this hold on
the flow of information.''

Mike Casey of the Environmental Working Group, which monitors potential
conflicts of interest by judges, also was critical.

``After all the revelations about stock conflicts and anti-environmental
junkets, you'd think the judiciary would clean up its act instead of trying
to bully reporters into not informing the public,'' Casey said.

Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., a House Judiciary Committee member, voiced little
sympathy for the judges.

``Any public official who draws a salary from taxpayers' money should have
complete and open financial disclosure, and that includes posting on the
Internet,'' he said.

The Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based research group, posts
on the Internet financial disclosure forms of all members of Congress.

Zloch is on the 26-judge U.S. Judicial Conference, which is chaired by Chief
Justice William H. Rehnquist and makes federal court policy. Zloch heads its
15-member financial disclosure committee.

Redmond said the committee will meet Friday.

``I can't imagine this moratorium will last much beyond the committee
meeting,'' she said, but added that she could not ``say with certainty'' when
the committee will take definitive action.

The Ethics in Government Act of 1978, as amended last year, gives federal
courts the right to withhold any report temporarily for security reasons. The
amendment allows a report to be ``redacted,'' or censored, ``only to the
extent necessary to protect the individual who filed the report'' and only
``for as long as the danger to such individual exists.''

Redmond did not offer examples of how Internet release of a judge's financial
disclosure statement might lead to security risks. But she said some judges
now require round-the-clock protection by U.S. marshals.

``Judges have very unique jobs,'' she said. ``They sentence murderers,
terrorists and other criminals. Some judges' lives have been threatened.''

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 New World colonists from the mysterious Jomon culture?


 DNA links Japanese with ancient Andeans

 by Steve Connor
 London Independent, Dec 1, 1999

 Scientists have established a direct link between the present-day
inhabitants of Japan and the ancient Andeans by studying the DNA of mummies
recovered from the Atacama Desert in Chile.
 snip
 The findings show that...  the Asiatic ancestors of the Andeans ...
migrated to Alaska across the frozen Bering Strait more than 20,000 years ago
to colonize North and South America.
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 --Study published in the journal Nature Medicine, by Kazuo Tajima and
colleagues from the Aichi Cancer Center Research Institute in Nagoya, Japan

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Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery

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In a message dated 99-12-08 19:11:14 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Is there perchance a gay angle to this all?
Hmnnn.

Well, all the "male nurses" attending Safra DOES seem to suggest that
possibility.

If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY
"nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits
(when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician on
call handle any medication needed ...

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[CTRL] Fwd: [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

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 Jacques Vallee certainly stepped on some toes with "Messengers of
Deception," and the persons/groups associated with those toes never tire of
smearing him ...

 "HawkEye" has even less credibility in my eyes than the nonsense he
promotes.
 I refuse to be suckered into replying to disinformation agents in
addition to con men  That path leads invariably to a perpetual quicksand,
opposing professional mindfuck artists, inexhaustible in output -- and very
well funded by "someone."
 My criticism of the "Philadelphia Experiment" and "Montauk" was matter
of fact;  I've referred readers to sources of information other than the
mirrors-reflecting-mirrors "sources" EXCLUSIVELY cited and defended by
promoters of "New Age" fictions.
 Personally, I don't CARE what anyone else chooses to believe on this
topic; I just offered my informed (?) opinion.  By contrast, the "hidden
agendas" being served --Cui bono?-- by those actively promoting BELIEF in
"New Age" fantasies (like "walk-ins," time-warp reincarnation, alien "secret
identities," and the like) are SERIOUS enough --to "someone"-- to make any
doubt or intelligent criticism a THREAT requiring relentless, vehement
counterattack.
 Someone raises a reasonable doubt.  Suddenly the Inquisition arrives.
Look at that picture and draw your own conclusions about who's the more
interested party -- and ask yourself also, WHY such an extreme degree of
interest?  (Cui bono?)

 This post exhibits some typical disinformation "sleight of hand" -- for
example:
"No mention was made in the printed article to the effect that St. Elmo's
Fire CAN who says? also result in INVISIBILITY -- something much more
significant from a defense or "covert operations" point of view than some
greenish glow, and which IF TRUE sic would indeed logically sic have a
direct relation to the Philadelphia Experiment technology itself." [Emphasis
and comments inserted in brackets mine.]

Like "If I had some baloney, I could have a baloney sandwich, if I had some
bread."



michiels wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Would you please take a look at the assertions below. It was my understanding that
 a post about Jacques Vallée did appear (in the last 3 months I think) proving that
 his last book(s) were in fact desinformation and misinformation done by him as a
 CIA plant/agent.
 
 You have forwarded to me all your works on the Montauk project at al., and I find
 it only fair to advise you on its attack as being a hoax.


Hi--

Here's what's up with Vallee's "research" into the Philly Experiment and
related issues.


John Quinn/NewsHawk® Inc.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Excerpt from:
PHOENIX UNDEAD--The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today

© 1998 John Quinn



THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT, VALLEE, "DUDGEON",
MARSHALL BARNES AND THE DEBUNKER DEBUNKED
Jacques Vallee, a fairly well-known and "credible" UFO researcher, who I
discovered several years ago has had substantial and verifiable links to
intelligence/military agencies in the U.S. going back 30 or more years
(in other words he was a high-level spook and disinfo agent who was
recruited from France, and worked with J. Allen Hynek and other
spook/scientists for Air Force Intelligence and similar groups;
initially at the Battelle Institute near Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio),
published a report in 1994 which purported to totally debunk the
Philadelphia Experiment and show that it was a hoax.

The problem is, Vallee's own article itself was complete and utter
hogwash, utilizing as it's primary source one "Edward Dudgeon"; some
phony with absolutely no credibility who has been conclusively proved a
liar--and thus by extension Vallee has been so proved as well. The
person who busted these clowns is named Marshall Barnes, an independent
researcher who in addition has heavily and thoroughly investigated the
Phoenix Project from Philadelphia all the way through the Montauk
Project, and has found SOLID evidence to support many of the major
claims being made about Phoenix, as well as scientific data which prove
that many of the claims are quite feasible.

Vallee and Bernhard Haisch, Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of Scientific
Exploration which published Vallee's article and has refused to disclaim
or otherwise back off it, have become the target of an ongoing private
investigation focusing on them having promoted research fraud. Proof
which shows Jacques Vallee's article to be an outright fraud has been
made public by Barnes, leaving no room for doubt that the world famous
UFO researcher was an active participant in an official coverup effort.

Barnes shows irrefutably that there was on the part of the Navy and
other government agencies: 1.) a strong agenda to make a ship both radar
and sight invisible; 2.) knowledge of the physics by which this can be
done; and 3.) possession of the technology by which this physics could
be applied in the field.  

Apparently these facts are so disturbing to the "powers that be" that
they have in desperation engaged or 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

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 More Art Bell-quality information, reposted from last year.
 Marshall Barnes -- coming soon to some "Whole Life Expo" near you, where
he will charge his audience --a crowd of fourteen or fewer fuzzy-headed New
Agers-- $50 each to hear his revolutionary "truths" that other scientists
somehow refuse to recognize.
 You'll find him in the small tent down the aisle from the gypsy palm
reader and the obese middle-aged David Ickean who trance-channels insectoid
gods from Hoova.


  from Robalini's The Konformist - 25 July 1998

From: J9 Aq9
Subj: MARSHALL BARNES PRESENTS THE PROOF FOR THE
  PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT

Rob--

Heard Barnes on Bell 1 1/2 years ago. First rate investigator
(Barnes not Bell). Totally independently of any of the Philly
Ex/Montauk Project principals -- he concluded that the science
behind what's been claimed re these projects is completely solid
and that indeed such activites as claimed have definitely taken
place, at the locations named.

I've already told my opinion of Vallee's debunking article
Anatomy Of a Hoax.  Vallee is a spook thru and thru -- I'd put
big money on it... if I had any.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subj: MARSHALL BARNES PRESENTS THE PROOF FOR THE
  PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT

 Fantastic Events is pleased to announce the first ever New
York City appearance of Special Civilian Investigator Marshall
Barnes - the only investigator to get evidence that PROVES that
the Philadelphia Experiment was possible and that there has been
a concerted effort to cover it up.

 This 3 hour lecture presentation will be packed with court
room quality evidence that includes video footage of documents,
interviews, photographs, taped phone conversations, and
experiments testing the statements of the mysterious Dr. Rinehart
from the William Moore book, "Philadelphia Experiment:Project
Invisibility," that result in solid, opaque objects appearing to
become invisible!  ALL of the evidence against Jacques Vallee's
fraudulent article, "Anatomy Of A Hoax," will be presented and
leave no one doubting that the famous UFO researcher was an
active participant in the cover-up effort.  (See
   http://ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/jun/m08-010.shtml)

 Names, dates, documents.  All of this material is new and
never presented by anyone else!  It is all part of an ongoing
investigation that threatens the actual individuals who have
personally taken part in it!

 True believers will be elated.  Skeptics will be stunned.
Marshall only presents documentation for his case and NO
ANECDOTAL STORIES.  NO UNBRIDALED SPECULATION.  He will field
all questions from *anyone* who asks.  You have never seen the
case for the Philadelphia Experiment until you've heard from the
only man who has gone directly after the Office of Naval Research
and may have triggered the massive destruction of naval documents
from around the time frame of when this legendary event was
planned, executed and spin-off research continued  (see:
http://capitolhillblue.com/Nov1997/navyrecordsnov20.htm

 He will present the documentation that creates the timetable
that suggests this is what happened.

 This will be a hard hitting, no-nonsense, by the numbers
lecture that takes you all the way back to WWII and walks you
through the only questions that matter:

 1)Did the Navy want an invisible ship?

 2)Could they have figuered out a way to make one?

 3)Is there a physics that would accomplish such a goal?

 4)Did the technology exist to apply the physics?

 and toward the single answer that is so threatening, that
two well known scientists engaged in a desperate act of fraud,
disinformation and cover-up, risking their names, reputations and
those of the organization to which they belong, benefitting only
those in the intelligence and military community where they have
contacts, because the answer to all four questions is YES!

 "Marshall Barnes, on a quest, believes the Philadelphia
Experiment occurred, and I like his line of research." - Art
Bell, talk radio host

 "Marshall Barnes has done some very important research.  I
think that he is very close to understanding what happened that
day." - Jean Claude Ba, Ph.D, physicist

 "His experiment proved that it is possible to create the
illusion of invisibility." - Patricia Bowskill, Fate magazine

 "Marshall Barnes ... is a dynamic, forceful speaker." - Ken
Harsch, Universal Light Expo

 "I have two interviews from the Art Bell show.  One is
with Marshall Barnes ... superb." - Dan Woolman, In Search of
web site

 Don't Miss This Event!

 Wed. August 5th, 7-10pm at the "Source of Life" Center,
Room A, 22 West 34th St., New York, N.Y. - next to the Empire
State Building.
 Admission is $12, $10 with student ID or UFO organization
membership card, $8 with VFW or other U.S. veteran ID.

 For security reasons, due to Marshall receiving a threat
against him, 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]

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In a message dated 99-12-09 06:12:15 EST, Das GOAT writes:

 "HawkEye" has even less credibility in my eyes than the nonsense he
promotes.
 I refuse to be suckered into replying to disinformation agents in
addition to con men  That path leads invariably to a perpetual quicksand,
opposing professional mindfuck artists, inexhaustible in output -- and very
well funded by "someone."   

On re-reading what I've written, I offer my apologies to "HawkEye."
Although, as stated, I give him no credibility --in return, I invite him to
give ME no credibility, as is his right-- I did not mean to suggest that he,
personally, was WITTINGLY a disformation agent -- only that some of his
SOURCES certainly appear to be, IMHO.   I've asked Vallee (with whom I'm in
touch) to respond to certain smears on him in the past but he's demurred,
saying only that it's a waste of time.  I understand that completely.  It
just isn't worth the time for scientific minds to argue at great length
against the existence of the unreal, or to defend the facts against those
whose judgment is faulty, or purposefullly skewed.

If I were to go back to the primary sources that get endlessly rehashed by
the various promoters of the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk thing, in
order to refute them, I'd have to spend months on the task -- and I'd end up
summarizing all that research in a book no one would read anyway, because
nothing is more unpopular than the truth, and publishers, with their eye on
sensationalism, will publish Von Daniken and Sitchin but not exposes of Von
Daniken and Sitchin.  There's a tabloid-reading sucker born every minute, but
there's no profit to be made in writing books telling them they're suckers.

"NewsHawk" is welcome to post whatever he believes, whether *I* pooh-pooh it
or not.
Das GOAT (without the benefit of "Inc") will give his usual opinions, a bit
sharp-tongued if in a bad mood (and nonsense such as Sitchin's and Bielek's
put me in a bad mood) -- but what REALLY ticks me off is a flame war and
side-taking developing from a major difference in opinion and/or belief,
stated bluntly as, alas, I've done here.  To head off any such waste of
everyone's time, I herewith apologize to NewsHawk personally for how I
categorize his sources and the credibility thereof.  Let readers judge as
they may. Mine is just one point of view.  "NewsHawk" has just as much right
to his OWN point of view.  Having stated my opinion, I do not intend to
engage in any lengthy arguments.

If "NewsHawk" replies that MY credibility in HIS eyes is likewise diminished
by whatever beliefs *I* promote, he's entitled to that opinion.  Let our
SOURCES of INFORMATION
be the topic of discussion, if merited, rather than the personalities holding
the opposing
positions based on them.  MY error, mea culpa, for incivility, too much "ad
hominem,"
in response to Vallee being labelled a "CIA agent."  Vallee has ENEMIES in
the CIA.
If anyone called ME a "CIA agent," I'd safely assume they were out to SILENCE
me, using one of the classic strategies of disinformation agents working for
-- guess who?

Cui bono: Who profits by disputing Vallee's conclusion in "Messengers of
Deception"?

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Re: [CTRL] The rioters' version

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In a message dated 99-12-08 03:16:41 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Another massive misrepresentation was the facile use of the word
"violence." Acts of window breaking, tire slashing, and graffiti (whether
you love them or hate them) are not violence; such acts are called
vandalism.

The "violence" which The Powers That Be fear most is "violence" directed
against the inanimate material objects used for raking in huge profits --
retail outlets, commercial real property, capital equipment.  Let the workers
die -- but don't hurt the machinery!

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[CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery

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Mystery Surrounds Safra Death

By IAN PHILLIPS
.c The Associated Press

MONTE CARLO, Monaco (AP) - It was business as usual Tuesday at the Monaco
branch of the Republic National Bank of New York underneath the gutted shell
of a penthouse where billionaire banker Edmond Safra died last week in an
arson attack.

But one day after American nurse Ted Maher was charged with starting the
blaze, mystery still surrounded events leading up to the Lebanese-born
financier's death in the luxury seaside building.

Did Safra really refuse to leave a locked bathroom where he then suffocated
despite pleas by his wife and firemen that he should come out?

And how did Maher, 41, described as mentally unstable, penetrate the inner
circle of a powerful banker who was so concerned about his safety that he
routinely recruited his bodyguards from Israel's elite security services?

``It's true that everyone still has many questions - the prosecutor, too,''
said Alexander Bruggmann, a spokesman for the Republic Bank in Geneva,
Switzerland. ``But it's now a police matter.''

On Tuesday, police and prosecutors would not comment on the case. After a
flurry of news conferences, Monaco reverted to official silence.

The nurse, Ted Maher, 41, first claimed that two hooded men had burst into
the penthouse before dawn Friday, attacked him, then set the deadly blaze. He
was treated at hospital for two stab wounds.

But on Monday with no evidence to support his version - and police patience
dwindling - Maher, who was just about to be released from the hospital,
confessed to inventing the whole scenario, said Monaco's chief prosecutor,
Daniel Serdet.

There had been no break-in, Maher said, according to Serdet. He stabbed
himself, and then started the fire that killed Safra and another American
nurse, Viviane Torrent, who also hid in the bathroom.

Maher said he didn't want to kill Safra: instead he was convinced he would
emerge the hero who rushed his employer to safety in a bathroom while fending
off the attackers. He set the fire to make the scene even more dramatic, he
told investigators.

He was charged with arson, jailed, and faces a life term.

Despite the confession, it could be months - if not longer - before the many
questions are answered.

Investigators say Safra was paralyzed by fear and refused to come out of the
locked bathroom, even though it was filling with smoke and firemen and his
wife were telling him it was safe to come out.

But a source with detailed knowledge of the case said that version was
``totally untrue.'' Safra had called police twice while coughing in the
smoke-filled bathroom and begged them to get him out, the source said.

An investigator in the Monaco prosecutor's office said Safra did call police
once to alert them to a break-in, but denied the fire had already started.

Secondly, could the firefighters have acted more quickly to extinguish the
fire, which started in a paper-filled wastebasket and devastated the whole
top floor?

Finally, it remained unclear how Maher, who Serdet said was mentally unstable
and took large doses of sedatives, could have got through security vetting.

Security was not something Safra took lightly.

His penthouse overlooking the Mediterranean was fortress-like, with
bulletproof doors and windows. Surveillance cameras were posted inside and
outside the building.

Reports have said Safra's security chief, absent at the time of the attack,
was Israeli-trained and that the banker had been protected by former Israeli
security agents since 1985.

Prosecutors said security was so tight at the penthouse that confident Safra
had instructed his chief guard to remain at his other residence: a
high-walled villa on the Cote d'Azur, once used as a summer home by Belgian
royalty.

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[CTRL] Weinberger on Chinese Control of Panama

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South of the Panamanian border is Colombia ...


Weinberger Says China Eyes Panama

By GEORGE GEDDA
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger on Tuesday
joined a chorus of conservatives warning that China may be preparing to
assume control of the Panama Canal, a development that he said would imperil
U.S. security.

It would be illogical for China to ``pass up a chance to acquire a major
foothold in one of the world's three major choke points - especially if it
can be done with little cost or risk,'' Weinberger said in a statement.

He said China already has established a beachhead in Panama through a Hong
Kong-based corporation, Hutchison Whampoa Ltd., which signed a lease
arrangement two years ago for control of ports at both ends of the canal.

The Clinton administration has said it has found no basis for suggestions by
many Republican lawmakers and others that the firm has close links to Chinese
military.

Under the Panama Canal treaties, Panama will assume control over the waterway
on Dec. 31 and all U.S. troops must be withdrawn at that time.

An Alabama company that tried and failed to win the contract for the ports
told a congressional hearing Tuesday that the Panamanians may have tilted the
bidding process in favor of Hutchison Whampoa.

Peter Romero, the top State Department aide for Latin America, said Monday it
is a mistake to assume that the United States will abandon Panama once U.S.
control is relinquished.

The two countries have had ongoing discussions on law enforcement and
security issues and have established a good basis for cooperation - ``deeper,
wider cooperation in the years ahead across the whole spectrum of issues that
we share,'' he said.

Weinberger, who was a Reagan administration defense secretary, said in his
statement that the canal's importance to U.S. security cannot be
overestimated.

The United States saves ``millions of hours and dollars each year by having
our naval vessels and supplies for all military services sail through the
canal rather than around Cape Horn,'' he said in his statement to a
conference sponsored by the conservative Center for Security Policy.

Alarmist views about the canal transfer were voiced by other participants at
the forum, including former National Security Council official Norman Bailey,
who said Panama's border with Colombia is vulnerable to incursions by
Colombian guerrillas.

``Panama has no capacity to control it,'' Bailey said. ``The possibilities of
sabotage of the canal are enormous.''

Romero dismissed that possibility Monday, contending that while Colombian
guerrillas have engaged in cross-border incursions, the canal is not
vulnerable because access is blocked by the ``virtually impregnable'' Darien
area of Panama.

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[CTRL] Militant Jews on Temple Mount

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Militant Jews Ascend Holy Mosque

By LAURIE COPANS
.c The Associated Press


JERUSALEM (AP) - Militant Jews burned Palestinian flags and ascended one of
Islam's holiest mosques Tuesday to protest Prime Minister Ehud Barak's
acquiescence to a new Muslim-built entrance there.

Barak and security officials had determined the new entrance to the Al Aqsa
mosque compound was necessary for crowds expected during the Muslim holiday
of Ramadan, which begins this week. But Israeli archaeologists, opposition
leaders and legal officials have protested the opening, saying Jewish
archaeological sites were damaged during construction.

The site, also known as Temple Mount, is holy to both Muslims and Jews.

Barak defended his decision in a meeting of top officials Tuesday. He pledged
to make sure Israeli sovereignty and law are maintained at the compound,
which in the past has been a flashpoint for violence.

``The government will continue to act to see to it that the law is obeyed,''
Barak told reporters in Jerusalem. He said he already prevented the Muslims
from widening the entrance beyond a mere emergency door.

Protesting the decision, several members of the Temple Mount Faithful group
tore up and burned cardboard Palestinian flags in front of Palestinian
headquarters in east Jerusalem. The demonstrators also stomped on a mock
coffin with the word ``Palestine'' written on the side.

The Palestinian-controlled Islamic authority, or Waqf, oversees the compound,
the third holiest site to Muslims. It is located on the site of the Jewish
Temple that was last destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D.

East Jerusalem, where the Al Aqsa compound is located, was captured and
annexed by Israel in 1967. The Palestinians claim that sector of the city as
the capital of a future state.

Elsewhere Tuesday, the Israeli army prevented Jewish worshippers from
entering a holy site in the West Bank city of Nablus after an Israeli swore
at a Palestinian police officer near the sanctuary, Israel radio reported.

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[CTRL] Y1K and GERBERT, the First European

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   GERBERT OF AURILLAC (ca. 955-1003)

 by Lynn Nelson, University of Kansas, Dept. of History

 Gerbert was born somewhere in the mountainous region of
Auvergne, in central France. Since neither his place of birth nor
his parents were recorded, it seems likely that he was of low
birth. Sometime about 963, he entered the monastery of St. Gerald
at Aurillac. This is the monastery that Gerald the Good had
established near his castle just before his death some sixty
years earlier, and where he was buried. It was, like Cluny, a
rather strict Benedictine monastery and was independent of any
local control, being subject only to the pope.
 Here he studied his Latin grammar under a teacher by the
name of Raymond, for whom he held a special affection for the
rest of his life. Of course, by this time, "grammar" had come
to stand for the verbal skills included in the "trivium" --
grammar, logic, and rhetoric.
 In 967, Count Borrell of Barcelona visited the monastery,
and the abbot asked the count to take Gerbert back to Spain with
him so the lad could study mathematics there. It would seem that
Gerbert had proven to be an apt pupil, and his abbot wanted to
see him go on to study the "quadrivium" -- arithmetic, geometry,
music, and astronomy.  Borrell agreed and put the lad in the care
of the bishop of Vic, where there was a cathedral school.
 Catalunya, in which both Barcelona and Vic were located, was
a frontier territory, and there was considerable communication
between Catalunya and the Muslims of al-Andalus to the south.
Al-Andalus was much more advanced that Christian Europe. While
the greatest library in Christian Europe boasted less than a
thousand volumes, the library in the Muslim capital of Cordoba
held over four hundred thousand. Catalunya benefitted from the
proximity of the cultured Muslims, and the libraries of the
cathedral of Vic and the nearby monastery of Ripoll were among
the largest and best equipped in Europe.
 The proximity of the Muslims meant more than that in the
matter of the subjects of the quadrivium, however. The Muslims
had fallen heir to both Greek and Persian science in their
initial expansion and had translated many classics into Arabic.
At the same time, Arabic traders and travelers were in contact
with India and China and had absorbed many of their advances.
Muslim "scientists" were highly regarded, and perhaps nowhere in
Islam as much as in al-Andalus. Muslim astronomy was the most
advanced in the world, and Muslim astronomers proficient in using
the astrolabe had done much to map the skies. Although the names
of modern planets and constellations are Latin, the names of most
major stars --Altair, Deneb, Rigel, Sirius, Fomalhaut, Aldeberan,
Betelgeuse-- are Arabic as are many of the other terms of
astronomy, such as azimuth, almagest, almanac, and the Zodiac.
The Arabs were even further advanced in the realm of arithmetic.
They had adopted the concept of zero from the Indians and used a
positional numeric system much like the modern system -- in
fact, our numerals are based on the Arabic notation. They had
also borrowed the abacus from the Chinese and were proficient in
its use. They had gone beyond arithmetic and had established
algebra, were investigating prime numbers and coordinate
equations. Their study of proportions made it possible for them
to approach music in a quite precise manner, distinguishing
accurately between notes, developing theories of harmonies and
discords, and constructing musical instruments with quite
accurate tuning.
 The cathedral school of Vic was able to offer Gerbert much
of this knowledge, and Gerbert took full advantage of the
opportunity.  As a matter of fact, his knowledge and abilities
were so great that some of his contemporaries could not explain
them except by assuming he was ether a magician or had made a
pact with the devil. In this fashion arose the Gerbert of legend:
 "Gerbert had travelled to Spain, where he became the
apprentice of a Muslim magician of wondrous powers. Gerbert came
to realize that all of the magician's powers came from the
spells that were contained in a book that he kept under lock and
key. At the same time, the magician began to suspect that Gerbert
wanted to steal his secrets and take them away with him, and so
began to watch him very closely and to hide the key to the chest
in which he kept his book. The magician had a beautiful daughter,
and Gerbert seduced her with the promise of taking her away with
him and marrying her. The duped girl helped Gerbert put a drug in
her father's evening wine and, when he had fallen into a stupor,
got the key from where he had hidden it, opened the chest, and
gave Gerbert the book.
 "Gerbert immediately fled, leaving the girl behind. When the
magician awoke and saw what had happened, he got his horse, which
could run faster than the wind, and his dog, which could track
anything or anyone over or under both ground and 

[CTRL] JFK Assassination Puzzles

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 "... in 1947 Ruby, then called Jacob Rubenstein, had
been an informant for a crusading anti-Communist senator
named Richard Nixon ..."


  http://www.conspire.com/jfkcc.html

   Where Were You When They Had the Coup?

   Excerpted from
   "Conspiracies, Cover-Ups and Crimes"
   by Jonathan Vankin

   Copyright (c) 1991 by Jonathan Vankin

 "There is no doubt now that there was a conspiracy, yet most
of us are not very angry about it.  The conspiracy to kill the
president of the United States was also a conspiracy against the
democratic system -- and thus a conspiracy against you. I think
you should get very angry about that."
 --Gaeton Fonzi, Investigator,
   House Select Committee on Assassinations


 The assassination of President John F. Kennedy happened 32
years ago, which is not a very long time when you think about the
breadth of history. But is there any other single event that has
been the subject of such voluminous writing, research and
contemplation in the first three decades after it happened? There
are hundreds of Kennedy assassination books. New ones come out
every year. Add on magazine articles, television programs and
radio talk shows and the words expended  over the JFK
assassination must number in the multimillions.
 Most are dedicated to the proposition that there was a
conspiracy involved. To summarize all the evidence and arguments,
obviously, is beyond the each of human endurance. Suffice to say
that suspicion has been stirring since the moment Kennedy's head
snapped backward from the impact of a bullet that hit him from
the front.
 On the famous Zapruder film, an eight-millimeter home movie
of the assassination taken by a Dallas businessman, you quite
clearly see Kennedy's head lurch violently backward at the
precise moment that a geyser of blood and brains erupts from the
right side of his head.
 The Warren Commission insisted that Kennedy had been struck
only from behind. The anomaly fascinated UCLA graduate
engineering student David Lifton. Laws of physics require that an
object struck from in front be propelled backward. Lifton
couldn't accept that these laws of the universe were suspended at
the moment a bullet struck Kennedy's head.
  That single observation altered Lifton's life. He devoted
the next 15 years to scarping through the assassination's medical
evidence. By the time he was a finished, and his work culminated
in the bestseller "Best Evidence," the backward head snap was the
least of the peculiarities Lifton had uncovered. His conclusion
that Kennedy's body was shanghaied once it arrived from Dallas at
Bethesda Naval Hospital, then medically altered to eliminate
evidence of shots from in front, is still one of the most debated
hypotheses of the JFK conspiracy theory. But no one has yet been
able to refute fully Lifton's findings.
 Who was on the Warren Commission, the government body that
scripted the tale of Lee Harvey Oswald, "lone nut"? Lyndon
Johnson appointed the Warren Commission to quell national
trepidation. "Out of the nation's need for facts, the Warren
Commission was born," Johnson earnestly stated. The commission
was headed by United States chief Justice Earl warren. It also
included former CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles had been
removed from his CIA fiefdom in 1961 -- by Kennedy.
 Gerald Ford was also on the commission. Ford later became an
unelected president of the United States when Richard Nixon
resigned and handed him the job. Nixon had appointed Ford to fill
the slot vacated by the disgraced Spiro Agnew.
 Ford pardoned Nixon unconditionally for any crimes he had
committed in connection with Watergate, even though Nixon had
never been charged with any crimes.
 The pardon insured that he never would be.
 Nixon, who had been narrowly defeated by Kennedy in the 1960
presidential election, had been in Dallas up until the day
Kennedy arrived, as corporate lawyer for Pepsi at bottlers'
convention. While in town he garnered much ink after a few death
threats, but, in true macho Republican style, he refused to add
any new bodyguards to his entourage.
 One researcher I've interviewed, Trowbridge Ford, believes
Nixon's bravado was a setup, goading the self-consciously virile
Kennedy into eschewing simple security measures while riding
through Dallas. The ploy also diverted the attention of the
Secret service.
 "I think he knew the president was going to be
assassinated," says Trowbridge Ford. He also believes that
Nixon's worried references to "the Bay of Pigs thing," sprinkled
throughout the Watergate "smoking gun" tape are euphemistic
references to Dallas, an hypothesis shared by Nixon's close
advisor H.R. Haldeman.
 Quoth Ford, "You can't say 'Dallas' because if you say
'Dallas' people are going to say 'My God! Dallas!' So you say,
'The Bay of Pigs thing--that's a consequence of the Bay of Pigs
thing.'"
 Did 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]

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In a message dated 99-12-07 09:37:17 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

On which 'scriptures' do you base your assertion : " ...Al Bielek and fellow
fabricators of the "Montauk" hoax."

Subj: Re: [CTRL] Philadelphia Experiment
Date: 97-05-16 07:56:35 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Das GOAT)
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jacques Vallee (author of "Messengers of Deception" and
"Forbidden Science") has written an article in The Journal of
Scientific Exploration, Vol 8, No 1, Spring 1994
(ISBN 0892-3310) debunking the mythology of the Philadelphia
Experiment.
Vallee also pulls the rug out from under the Al Bielek
"Montauk" cult in this article, in which, by the way, yours truly
(under my real name) is cited for contributing, being one of
the first people having brought to his attention the snowballing
claims around "Montauk."

The article is entitled "Anatomy of A Hoax: The Philadelphia
Experiment 50 Years Later," and following is its abstract:

"The 'Philadelphia Experiment' concerns the allegedly paranormal
disappearance of a Navy destroyer from the docks of the
Philadelphia Navy Yard in the late summer of 1943, followed by
disclosures of official contact with extraterrestrial powers.
Claims made by PURPORTED witnesses of this supposedly secret Navy
test directed by Albert Einstein have been repeatedly found to be
FRAUDULENT.
The author has now interviewed a man who served on a companion
ship to the destroyer in question, and who was on the scene the
night of its supposed disappearance, which he is able to explain
in minute detail.
Yet the features of the story are such that it survives in the
UFO literature and is now being revived under a novel form
[referring to Montauk--Ed.] for the benefit of a new generation
of readers.
Using this incident as a model of a successful HOAX, the present
article extracts thirteen parameters that have been instrumental
in its remarkable survival over the last 50 years; it compares
the features of this fabrication to other questionable episodes
of UFO lore; finally, it attempts to draw up a list of suitable
measures for their detection, challenge and ultimate exposure."

For those unfamiliar with Vallee, it would be unfair and unwise
to write him off as a "debunker" of the PSICOP sort, simply for
arguing that one's favorite shaggy dog story is really a hoax
perpetuated by the popular "wow, ain't it spooky!" propaganda mill.
Vallee himself has written numerous books offering, from his own
on-the-site UFO investigations, incidents that are even more
mind-boggling (and frightening) than such fantasies.  He is first
and foremost a true scientist in attitude, like myself committed
to exposing those who perpetrate frauds that only further muddy
up this field, which unfortunately is riddled not only with
government disinformation agents but with large numbers of common
garden variety scam artists, cashing in on the apparently
inexhaustible gullibility of "New Age" enthusiasts.

We're entitled to our own opinions, of course, regarding the
"Philadelphia Experiment," but in this group, ideally, ours
should be well-informed opinions, not limited to the same
mirrors-reflecting-mirrors rehashed fourth-hand information
somehow enduring despite every disproof of its credibility  --
so I refer you to Vallee's article as a must-read before anyone
jumps to hasty conclusions on the subject.

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]

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In a message dated 99-12-06 18:21:53 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I did " past life therapy " with Brad and Francie (?) Steiger.
It, and they are fakes. They are New Age scam artists.

Hear, hear.  Steiger and his wife are the literary equivalent of "talk
radio's" Art Bell.
Steiger bases his book on the "Philadelphia Experiment" on the incredible
bullshit of a  clique of gay Scientologists -- Al Bielek and fellow
fabricators of the "Montauk" hoax.
(If David Ickes met them, he'd probably conclude they were all closet
"reptoids" too.)

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Re: [CTRL] COINTELPRO in Seattle

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In a message dated 99-12-06 18:27:37 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I too prefer non violence. But the reality of our world is such that it is
violence which scares the politicians. Not because they can't overcome it,
but because it demonstrates how far people are willing to go to oppose
their rule.

Have you ever wondered why there is a Martin L. King holiday but not a
Malcolm X holiday? It was the threat of violent Black insurrection which
frightened the establishment into making Jim Crow illegal. Power is not
afraid of peaceful demonstrations. They even prefer it because it lets
people
let off steam and feel that they are accomplishing something when they
are not. This is why Clinton praised the " peaceful " protesters, and
admonished the violent "anarchists."

The LAST exit to asserting our rights is already tightly locked --we long ago
locked it OURSELVES, locking ourselves IN, in return for only the false
promise of the faintest possibility of that will-o'-the-wisp "financial
security"-- and there's no longer any hope of finding an EFFECTIVE way OUT
again, except through violence or the THREAT of it.

Take, for example, my local "union," in which I was duly and correctly, in
accord with its rules, elected shop steward -- yet in practice I am denied
any opportunity to participate in negotiations that might affect the lot of
all those who elected me to represent them.  Yet membership in this "union"
is mandatory for all employees at the site where we work, so that union dues
are automatically deducted from our paychecks, destined only for the union
bosses' pockets.  We get the same "benefits" as NON-union workers.

It's a scam, it's a fraud -- but it's a good example of what the institution
of the "labor union" --granted political power over half a century ago, ONLY
after strikes, rioting and bloodshed-- has DEGENERATED into, in modern-day
Korporate-controlled America.  In the very first paragraph of its contract
with our employers, our "union" RENOUNCES the right to strike or otherwise
interfere with the normal conduct of our employer's business, and in return,
our employer "agrees" to pay union members whatever it sees fit -- which is
comparable to what it'd pay us WITHOUT a union.  Admittedly, our "union" is
NOT under the authority of the AFL-CIO --which makes this scam even more
acceptable to Korporate employers, and more profitable to the "union's"
bosses, who monopolize an entire profession in this town-- but that really
doesn't matter, since the AFL-CIO itself --under CFR member George Meany, and
under MAFIOSI union bosses who secretly colluded with the FBI and/or CIA,
after WWII, when the federal government cut a deal with organized crime--
functions primarily, if not solely, as an instrument to keep labor under
Korporate control.  "Labor" is as thoroughly corrupt as any other warehouse
of voters, another wolf-in-sheep's-clothing "shepherd" of American sheeple at
the polls.

Surrender the THREAT of "violence" --the option of SHUTTING DOWN THE SYSTEM,
NON-violently EXCEPT IN SELF-DEFENSE, i.e., when under violent COUNTER-attack
by the Korporate State's armed goons-- and you throw away the ONLY bargaining
chip the non-rich and un-privileged HAVE -- have EVER had, historically, or
CAN ever have.

The Elite's TRUE source of POWER is the "government's" MONOPOLY on violence:
there's NO possibility of "bargaining" for JUSTICE when UNARMED, facing a
GUN.

You have ONLY those "rights" you can --individually or collectively-- ENFORCE
and DEFEND.  Ah, but HOW?  WITHOUT "violence"?  Without recourse to violence,
the GOVERNMENT ITSELF can't rely on the "legitimacy" of its "moral" right to
govern us!   How, then, can WE possibly have any rights, left UNsecured by an
EQUAL defense?

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Re: [CTRL] Towards Ultimate CONTROL

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In a message dated 99-12-06 22:03:50 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

To help promote the U.N. global dictatorship, Soviet KGB scientist have
recently been working at various U.S. advanced weapons facilities, such as
Lawrence Liverpool and Los Alamos Laboratories.

"Liverpool"!?!

Lawrence Liverwurst?

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[CTRL] Pivotal Events of the Millennium

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Reformation Top Religious Event

By RICHARD N. OSTLING
.c The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) - The nation's religion newswriters have selected the
Protestant Reformation and the invention of the movable type printing press
as the leading religious events of the second millennium.

The newswriters also picked the Nazi Holocaust and resulting establishment of
Israel as the top event of the last century. The Second Vatican Council and
the Russian Revolution rounded out the century's top three.

Survey responses came from 30 members of the Religion Newswriters
Association, made up of specialists covering the field for the general media.

The writers voted the top story of the millennium to be Martin Luther nailing
his 95 theses to a church door in Wittenberg in 1517, sparking the Protestant
Reformation and the Catholic Church's Counter-Reformation.

The invention of printing with movable type, and publication of the Gutenberg
Bible in various languages came in second. The Great Schism of 1054 splitting
Eastern and Western Christianity was third.

Their choices for the millennium's other top 10 events, in order:

The Nazi Holocaust and founding of Israel.

The Papacy's launching of the Crusades in 1095 to reclaim holy sites from
Muslims, with some crusaders turning against Eastern Orthodoxy.

Destruction of Buddhism in India by Muslim invaders (1190-1200) and expansion
of Islam into Africa and Asia. The Byzantine empire ended in 1453 when Muslim
Turks seized Constantinople.

Reforms of Catholicism's Second Vatican Council (1962-65).

Settlement if Plymouth, Mass., church-state separation in Roger Williams'
Rhode Island, and religious freedom in the U.S. Bill of Rights.

Darwin, Freud, Marx and Nietzsche publish 19th century ideas seen as hostile
to religion.

The Azusa Street Revival of 1906 launches Pentecostalism, which by the end of
the 20th century ``becomes the fastest growing segment of Christianity.''

In the survey on 20th century events, the newswriters chose the following top
events in addition to the Holocaust, Second Vatican Council, and the rise and
fall of communism in Russia and Eastern Europe:

The Azusa Street Revival.

The great increase in Protestant and Jewish female clergy.

Discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.

Increasing influence of radical Islam, including theocracy in Iran.

Election of John Paul II, the first non-Italian pope in four and a half
centuries, who is nearly assassinated.

The civil rights movement led by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., with strong
support from religious leaders.

Gandhi's non-violent campaign wins independence for India.

The voting was open to all members of the association and was held via
Internet, mail and fax from Nov. 12, 1999, to Nov. 24, 1999.

Richard DuJardin of the Providence Journal-Bulletin administered the
newswriters survey. Full results, and other top events listed on survey
ballots, are posted on the association's Web site, www.rna.org.

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[CTRL] Federal Govt's Gravy Train -- Education

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House Panel Grills Education Dept.

By ANJETTA McQUEEN
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Education Department, unable to give a Congressional
panel an accounting of disputed parts of a $32 billion budget and billions
more in student loans it manages, insisted it broke no laws and could
overcome its accounting troubles.

``Our auditors identified issues we must address, but they did not report
that any funds were lost, misallocated or stolen,'' Marshall Smith, a deputy
to Education Secretary Richard Riley, told the oversight and investigations
subcommittee of the House Education and Workforce Committee on Monday.

Testimony came a few weeks after the department, one of four federal agencies
unable to audit its 1998 books, became the last of the 24 agencies to submit
reports to the agency that oversees federal auditing.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the investigations panel, said the
department, with its 1998 accounts in disarray, could be wasting millions of
taxpayer dollars meant for education programs.

Hoekstra read internal department e-mails and other documents that recounted
duplicate payments to grant winners and even an $800 million college loan to
a single student.

``Some say an audit is like making sure your shoes are tied, so you don't
trip,'' said Hoekstra. ``If the department's shoes are tied, there is less
chance of taxpayer dollars being lost to waste, fraud and abuse.''

Smith blamed a new accounting system that turned out to be faulty, and new
demands to prepare more financial statements. But he disputed allegations
that the disputed accounts and the lack of an audit threatens money for
federal programs for kindergarten-through-12th grade schoolchildren and
college students.

Hoekstra has clashed with the department over proposed budget cuts and
accused it of keeping a ``slush fund'' by not sending unclaimed grant money
back to the Treasury.

Witnesses told the panel that the department's ledgers routinely differed
from the transaction amounts it reported to the Treasury. Often, the
department would make adjustments to its own records without the paperwork to
support these changes, said Gloria Jarmon, who handles education and other
issues for the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative agency.

Panel Democrats praised the department for lowering the student loan default
rate and other financial improvements, but also pledged to get specific
answers on the accounting problems. ``We need a coherent response to this,''
said Rep. Robert Scott, D-Va., ``We can't just have a billion here, a billion
there.''

But neither the department's internal watchdog nor the independent auditing
firm it hired to review the books could confirm any financial mismanagement.

In recent weeks the accounting firm, Ernst  Young, reported that computer
breakdowns and missing paperwork left the department unable to account for
chunks of money ranging from $500 million in un-awarded grants to up to $6
billion in discrepancies with Treasury's accounting of what the Education
Department has spent.

But Michael Lampley, a partner in Ernst  Young, said: ``I have no direct
knowledge of any financial mismanagement or violation of law I can report to
you.''

Smith told the committee that the department's faulty accounting system cost
$5.1 million, but that he could not estimate the cost of manpower and time
spent trying to make up for its flaws. He also told the panel that the
department had not yet chosen a replacement system. The new system would be
the department's third in five years.

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[CTRL] Federal Govt's Gravy Train -- Agriculture

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USDA Said Squandered Money

By PHILIP BRASHER
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A government corporation that was created to finance new
industrial uses of crops was supposed to be a boon for rural areas. Now the
agency is quietly shutting down amid allegations that it lost most of its
money in bad investments.

A report by the Agriculture Department's inspector general estimates that
three-fourths of the $43 million in investments that the Alternative
Agricultural Research and Commercialization Corp. has made since its creation
seven years ago will probably not be recovered.

The corporation is scheduled to go out of existence down next month, as
Congress cut off its funding in the 2000 budget year, partly out of concern
about the agency's practices.

``All of our investments, all of our actions were done in absolute good
faith,'' Bob Armstrong, an agronomist who is the corporation's executive
director, said Monday. ``Did we wind up investing in some people that wound
up committing waste, fraud and abuse against us? Probably so.''

The corporation, which is a branch of USDA, invested with businesses that had
``little or no chance of success'' and then failed to monitor companies to
make sure the money was used properly, according to the report, dated Nov.
30.

In one case, an individual used $344,000 of the government's $450,000
investment to pay off personal debts and then shut down his business,
according to the report, which said prosecution against several of the
businesses is being considered.

The corporation, which has an ownership stake in the companies it invests in,
was supposed to help create jobs and stabilize commodity prices when it was
authorized by Congress in the 1990 farm bill.

Some of the companies it has aided are still in business, such as Phoenix
Biocomposites of Mankato, Minn., which makes wallboard from wheat straw and
granite-like cabinet tops out of soybeans and newspapers. AARC has invested
$3 million in Phoenix, the most of any enterprise.

Armstrong said that the loss rate isn't surprising given the corporation's
mission to invest in enterprises that can't get private financing. He said
his staff concentrated on monitoring the biggest investments and left the
others to another USDA agency to watch.

He says the investments have produced 9,500 jobs, directly or indirectly,
which is close to AARC's goal of 10,000.

The inspector general, however, investigated 11 of the investments - a
cross-section of the AARC portfolio - and said they had not produced any new
jobs so far. Moreover, his investigators found evidence of fraud in seven of
the cases, and said that in eight of the cases the applicants failed to
contributed any of their own funds to the enterprises, as required by law.

None of the 11 businesses were named.

The corporation is scheduled to close its doors Jan. 28, and the investments
would then become the responsibility of Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman.

The Clinton administration sought to increase the corporation's budget from
$3.5 million in 1999 to $10 million in 2000 but was rebuffed by congressional
appropriators, who have long been concerned about its investments, Senate
aides said.

As an alternative, the program's supporters tried to get Congress to
authorize CoBank, a quasi-governmental institution that lends to farmer-owned
cooperatives, to take over the AARC's investment authority, but Congress
never acted on the idea before adjourning last November.

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, is expected to continue pushing the CoBank proposal
next year.

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[CTRL] Violent Crime on the Rise

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Violent Crime in US Cities Up 42% Since 1969, Wash Post Says

Washington, Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Violent crime in large U.S. cities has
risen 41.7 percent since 1969, despite frequent reports of short-term drops
since the early 1990s, according to a study to be released later this week,
the Washington Post said. The study, by the progressive Milton S. Eisenhower
Foundation, shows violent crimes in cities with 250,000 people or more has
risen from 860 per 100,000 people in 1969 to 1,218 in 1998, the newspaper
said. While violent crimes in major cities have dropped from the 1991 peak
rate of 1,890 per 100,000 people, the report says recent gains in public
safety are exaggerated because the comparisons occur during a period when the
level of violence was unusually high, the newspaper said.

In its first year of operation, the nationwide system of instant criminal
background checks mandated by the 1993 Brady Law has prevented more than
160,000 people from illegally buying firearms, U.S. Attorney General Janet
Reno said Nov. 30.

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[CTRL] Juvenile Prison Camps

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Death, abuse at S.Dakota boot camp prompt scrutiny

By Jennifer Gerrietts

PLANKINTON, S.D. (Reuters) - A 14-year-old girl's death at a South Dakota
boot camp for juvenile offenders has sparked an FBI probe and fueled a
national debate over whether harsh, military-style camps are the right way to
rehabilitate troubled teens.

The FBI said Wednesday it had launched an investigation into the treatment of
juvenile inmates assigned to the state-run South Dakota State Training
School, which operates a girls' boot camp. Gina Score died at the boot camp
in Plankinton on July 21 during a forced long-distance run just two days
after entering the program as a convicted shoplifter.

Since Score's death, state investigators and parents of inmates at the boot
camp have alleged that other girls were injured by being shackled, handcuffed
and dragged on endurance runs until blood soaked their shoes.

FBI supervisory special agent David Heller said the agency, in conjunction
with the U.S. Justice Department's civil rights division, was looking into
possible violations of U.S. civil rights laws committed by law enforcement
employees.

Across the United States, there are more than 50 juvenile boot camps housing
about 4,500 juveniles as part of state correctional programs, according to
the Center for Juvenile and Criminal Justice, a San Francisco-based think
tank. The programs are aimed at reforming youthful offenders by means of
rigorous physical training and strict discipline.

``When you create a system where you bully kids, there's a risk of it turning
into abuse,'' said Larry Brendtro, president of Reclaiming Youth
International, a group that questions the boot-camp concept.

Critics argue that the harsh treatment meted out at boot camps can cause
injuries to inmates and subjects children with budding criminal tendencies to
physical and emotional abuse that can push them toward rather than away from
violent acts.

``The danger in this is that you create notions that if you subject kids to
brutalizing physical exercise, you change them,'' said Dan Macallair,
assistant director of the Center for Juvenile and Criminal Justice. ``You
create the notion in the staff's head that all you have to do is make the
conditions miserable and anything goes.''

RIDDING CHILDREN OF BOOZE AND DRUGS

But South Dakota Gov. Bill Janklow, a former U.S. Marine and a backer of the
state's four-year-old juvenile boot camp system, said the camps help liberate
problem teens from substance addictions and improve their physical and
emotional well-being. He blamed ``rogue'' staff members for any problems at
the South Dakota State Training School's boot camp.

``We're getting the booze and the drugs out of their minds, getting their
body into decent physical shape. Nobody disputes that we're making these kids
feel good about themselves,'' said Janklow, a Republican.

``This approach works better than other approaches because it gives people
what they need,'' Janklow added.

Jeff Bloomberg, South Dakota's secretary of corrections, said a boot camp
requires teens to make an effort toward their own rehabilitation, adding that
``it's not intended to be a pleasant experience.''

South Dakota operates two boot camps for juveniles aged 14 to 21, one with
about 120 boys and one with about a dozen girls, state officials said.
Juveniles who enter the camps either have been convicted of crimes or their
parents have asked the state to take charge of them.

A state agency assigns a small number of youths who have been sent into the
correctional system by judges to boot camps rather than traditional
facilities.

Authorities said Score died of heat stroke after she collapsed during a
forced 2.7-mile run. The 226-pound girl lay in the sun for three hours
without treatment because staff members at the boot camp believed she was
faking, even though the girl had wet herself, was drooling, and her eyes had
rolled back in her head, state investigators said.

STAFF MEMBERS CHARGED

State prosecutors charged two of the boot camp's female staff members last
month with one count each of manslaughter and four counts each of child
abuse. Both entered pleas of not guilty. In addition, the superintendent of
the South Dakota State Training School resigned.

Incidents have been reported in other U.S. boot camps. Nicholaus Contreraz, a
16-year-old boy with an undiagnosed lung infection, collapsed and died at the
Arizona Boys Ranch in 1998. Investigators said workers at the boot camp
forced him to exercise, ridiculing him for supposedly pretending to be sick.

Not only are there problems with abuse in the facilities, but also with
recidivism, critics say. The Justice Department's Office of Juvenile Justice
and Delinquency Prevention found that many juvenile boot camp graduates
committed new offenses more quickly after release than other young offenders.

``In the juvenile justice community, boot camps are really on the decrease,''
said Darrell Wehmeier of the 

[CTRL] Gen X: Mad as Hell, Ain't Gonna Take It No More?

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 "Not everyone thought the violence was a bad thing."


Why Did WTO Protest Turn Ugly?

By DAVID FOSTER
.c The Associated Press

SEATTLE (AP) - Shattered store windows. Dumpsters burning. Protesters fleeing
tear gas and rubber bullets fired by police. What on earth is happening in
laid-back Seattle?

Violent political demonstrations have rarely been seen on U.S. soil since the
Vietnam War era, and most people here - protest organizers and city officials
alike - were surprised by the mayhem that erupted Tuesday as thousands of
demonstrators marched against the World Trade Organization.

Apologetic authorities blamed a few troublemakers ``from out of town.''
Protest leaders pointed fingers at overreacting police and a few bad apples
within their own ranks. Some demonstrators, meanwhile, saw something deeper -
the awakening of a new brand of activism among a new generation of activists.

``Young people - Generation X or whatever you call them - haven't had an
issue. Now they have an issue,'' said Christopher Krohn, 41, a city council
member from Santa Cruz, Calif., who came to Seattle to protest peacefully. He
said many youth see hard-won environmental safeguards being threatened by a
WTO focus on free trade above all other values.

``That's why a lot of people are angry,'' Krohn said.

It's not as if civil unrest is unknown in America. Race riots stemming from
the beating of Rodney King erupted in Los Angeles in 1992. But most political
demonstrations in recent years have become controlled, predictable events,
permitted and monitored by authorities. Demonstrations are a regular
occurrence in Washington, D.C., but are generally peaceful.

To find violence, one must generally go overseas, such as to Greece, where
thousands of left-wing protesters chanting anti-American slogans clashed with
police last month and set dozens of stores ablaze as President Clinton
arrived for a visit in Athens.

Clinton was addressing the WTO meeting this afternoon, his hopes for a
triumphant day as a leader of world trade jeopardized in a city left shaken
by a day of violent protest and bracing for more.

The violence clearly caught Seattle officials off guard.

To find similar unrest here, ``you have to probably go back to the '60s and
'70s, in the days of the Vietnam marches and civil-rights marches,'' Mayor
Paul Schell said at a news conference Tuesday afternoon.

Schell said city officials had worked with protest organizers for months
before the WTO meeting, hoping to prevent the kind of violence that broke
out.

``You need to understand that this administration had people who marched in
the '60s. We've been on the other side,'' Schell said. ``The last thing I
want to do is be mayor of a city where I had to call the National Guard,
where I had to see tear gas in the street. It makes me sick.''

Protest organizers said they, too, were saddened by the violence.

``A small band of egotistical, misdirected young people'' who broke windows
and spray-painted buildings diverted attention from an otherwise peaceful
protest, said Dennis Moynihan, spokesman for the Direct Action Network, which
helped plan the demonstration.

``We take responsibility for our actions. We specifically risk arrest,''
Moynihan said. ``The people who broke windows cloak themselves in masks and
then flee as soon as the damage is done. If we knew who they were, we would
turn them in.''

Moynihan also faulted police for unleashing tear gas and rubber bullets on
protesters sitting in the streets.

``There was an element of festivity in the air,'' he said. ``There was
drumming and dancing. It was a beautiful, reclaim-the-streets party. The
police used an inordinate amount of weaponry and firepower to enforce their
version of civic order.''

Not everyone thought the violence was a bad thing.

``The corporations commit way more heinous crimes,'' said Mark Bowers, 25, a
protester from Eugene, Ore., who was roaming the streets Tuesday night after
authorities declared a curfew.

Protesters are ``alienated, beat down,'' said Bowers' friend, John, who
refused to give his last name.

``They don't have a voice,'' he said. ``You can only beat people down for so
long. To write it off as meaningless violence is totally unfair.''

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[CTRL] Fwd: Mythic Roots of Language (pt 3)

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   THOTH
 A Catastrophics Newsletter

  VOL III, No. 16
Dec 1, 1999

EDITOR:  Amy Acheson
PUBLISHER:  Michael Armstrong
LIST MANAGER:  Brian Stewart

  CONTENTS
CLOSING THE GAP . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . by Amy Acheson
MYTHIC ROOTS OF LANGUAGE part III . . . . . . . . by Dave Talbott
CATASTROPHIC WORD ORIGINS . . . . . . . . . Kroniatalk Discussion
THE ABSURDITY OF NEUTRON STARS . . . . . . . . . by Wal Thornhill
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CLOSING THE GAP
By Amy Acheson

When Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision was published, in
1950, the mention of catastrophism in any form was anathema to
science.  Ideas have changed rapidly since then.  Plate tectonics
and the Spokane floods have crept into geology.  Punctuated
equilibrium and mass extinctions by asteroid impact have become
fashionable.  It's no longer beyond the scope of science to see
the destruction of Atlantis in a Mediterranean volcano or Noah's
deluge in the sudden filling of the Black Sea.  A fast-growing
contingent of astronomers are concerned with the perils of Earth-
crossing asteroids.  Galactic collisions and pole flips, albeit
billions-of-years-ago, are common threads in modern
science.

But the gap between Velikovsky and orthodox science still looks
formidable.  After all, Velikovsky said that planets moved in
different orbits within the memory of humanity.  Surely orthodox
science will never reconsider a hypothesis that absurd.

Let's not be so hasty.  Here's part of a press release dated
Nov. 19, 1999:

"Jupiter's fiery moon Io is providing scientists with a
window on volcanic activity and colossal lava flows similar
to those that raged on Earth eons ago, thanks to new
pictures and data gathered by NASA's Galileo spacecraft...

... Dr. Torrence Johnson, Galileo project scientist at
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, CA
[said],  "Io is the next best thing to traveling back in
time to Earth's earlier years. It gives us an opportunity
to watch, in action, phenomena long dead in the rest of the
solar system".

By conventional dating, the press release defined the term "eons
ago" with this phrase: "The last comparable lava eruption on
Earth occurred 15 million years ago."  Any catastrophic event of
global proportions could drastically shorten that date.  They're
talking about very recent history in terms of planet Earth, about
lava flows in which North American rhinoceroses were trapped.

The activity on Jupiter's fiery moon Io is due to its unusual
orbit, in close proximity to the electrical and gravitational
fields of the gas giant, Jupiter.  The convergent mythical record
of human cultures around the world remembers the gas giants
Saturn as dominating the Earth's sky before it fled or was driven
away.  Has the time come to consider the possibility that there is
a connection between these two statements, one the latest
scientific observation and the other the oldest story known?

Amy Acheson
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MYTHIC ROOTS OF LANGUAGE part III
By Dave Talbott

More than once I've expressed the belief that the echoes of an
original unity pervade our language.  The patterns, however, will
not be recognized until one sees the true source of the unity in
a planetary configuration.  My contention has been that this
configuration was an obsessive focus of human attention in the
crucial phase of language formulation.

To illustrate the point it may be useful to go back to the "first
condition", the earliest-remembered time and the concepts which
it inspired. These integrated concepts were reflected in written
language at its inception and, as a whole, they cannot be
understood apart from the Saturn model. Prior assumptions of
historians, anthropologists, and etymologists cannot account for
the complex of meanings attached to those ancient words
describing the primeval condition, the age of Saturn.

Keeping to the most fundamental concepts, here are some of the
archetypal themes one might explore in relation to the language
of the First Time: Chaos, Water, Seed, Sky, Formlessness, One,
All, Unity, Conjunction, Rest, Peace, Whole, Holy, Universe,
Wheel, Cycle, Becoming, Turning, Time, Heaven, High, Hollow,
Void, Chasm, Yawning.

This may look like a rather long list, and yet the underlying
principles are both simple and unified.

The age of Saturn means the transition from primeval chaos to
order, from non-differentiation to diversity, from formlessness
to form, from inactivity to activity, from no-time to time, from
a pre-dawn glow to a cycle of day and night. That is what the
archetypal "creation" myth is about, and Saturn is the creator-
king.  But the meanings of the ancient words need to be
clarified.  What does "formless" mean, for example?  What does
"chaos", or its "yawning" aspect, mean?  Present experience

[CTRL] Shimon Peres on Iran-Contra

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Peres: Agreement Made on Contra Deal

By SARI BASHI
.c The Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) - Former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres revealed rare
details about the Iran-Contra affair Sunday, saying that he and two other
former Israeli premiers unanimously agreed on participating in the deal.

Appearing on a talk show on Israel TV, Peres also expressed shock that
then-President Reagan withheld information from top U.S. officials about the
controversial deal to sell arms to Iran in the mid-1980s.

The weapons, including anti-tank missiles, were sent to Iran in exchange for
Iran's agreement to work for the release of U.S. hostages held in Lebanon by
pro-Iranian Shiite Muslim extremists. At the time, both Israel and the United
States publicly condemned arms sales to Iran.

The affair resurfaced last week, when police found documents and tapes on the
deal from the office of Yaakov Nimrodi, one of three Israeli arms traders who
brokered the deal in which U.S. weapons were sent to Iran via Israel. Part of
the profits were funneled to anti-Sandinista insurgents in Nicaragua known as
Contras.

He defended Israel's participation in the affair, saying it was the joint
decision of then-Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin, then-Prime Minister Yitzhak
Shamir and himself.

``There were three people, the most experienced the most responsible, and we
did it unanimously,'' he said.

Peres, who is now Regional Cooperation Minister, said that while the request
to broker the deal came from U.S. security agents, he discussed the deal with
Reagan and had no idea that then-Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and
then-Secretary of State George Shultz were not fully informed about the
operation.

``I didn't know there was a dispute among them,'' said Peres, who was Foreign
Minister at the time. ``It was the surprise of my life when I later found out
that Shultz and Weinberger didn't know.''

Both those officials claimed they were ignorant about most of the deal.
Weinberger faced felony charges of lying to Congress and to prosecutors in
the case, but was pardoned by former President Bush before his trial began.

Peres said he knew of no criminal activity from Israel's part of the deal,
dismissing claims that Nimrodi took profits from the sales for his personal
use.

He said he replaced Nimrodi with Amiram Nir, military adviser to Shamir,
after the Americans asked to handle the negotiations themselves.

``At a certain stage, the Americans said, 'leave it to us,''' Peres
recounted.

Several U.S. officials faced criminal charges in the affair but were pardoned
or had their cases overturned amid accusations that they knew more than they
admitted.

Peres said he knew nothing about reports that Nir, who died in a 1988 plane
crash, was killed as part of a conspiracy to prevent details from the affair
from leaking out.

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Re: [CTRL] Woodstock, Dead of Natural Causes or MURDERED?

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Altamont Ended Flower Power Era

By WILLIAM SCHIFFMANN
.c The Associated Press

ALTAMONT, Calif. (AP) - It was billed as a West Coast Woodstock - a huge free
concert in a windswept cow pasture, headlined by the Rolling Stones. Instead,
the gathering 30 years ago became one of the most violent days in the history
of rock 'n' roll and perhaps the last act in the halcyon era of hippie love.

``It was an ending, a transition, the end of the Flower Power move towards
community,'' said Charles Pressler, associate professor of sociology at
Purdue University North Central. ``That idea of community was exploded at
Altamont.''

Repeated attempts to recreate the original Woodstock have been doomed to
revive images of the deadly Altamont concert of Dec. 6, 1969.

Woodstock '99 was no exception. The August event attracted 200,000 people to
upstate New York and ended in an orgy of violence with fires, looting and
women sexually assaulted in a vicious mosh pit right in front of the stage.

Promoters at Altamont, who had expected about 10,000 people, were overrun as
more than 300,000 flocked to the hillsides and dusty meadows some 40 miles
east of San Francisco 30 years ago.

They were drawn by the bill - including Santana, Jefferson Airplane, the
Grateful Dead and Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young - and the dream of
recreating the Woodstock festival held that August on Max Yasgur's farm.

But a series of missteps turned the gathering deadly. As the Stones rocked on
stage in the evening chill, a member of the notorious Hells Angels motorcycle
gang, hired as security, attacked and stabbed Meredith Hunter, an 18-year-old
man from Berkeley. Hunter died. Alan Pasaro, who admitted stabbing him but
said someone else struck the fatal blows, was eventually acquitted.

``It was important to everybody, a free concert, everybody coming together,''
recalled Vic Henan, a publicist in San Jose who was 16 when he hitchhiked to
Altamont with three friends. ``We were going to have our own Woodstock. But
it turned ugly very fast.''

All the usual festival concert problems - scarce bathrooms, no food, no water
- were made worse by the choice of the Hells Angels as security. They rode
their bikes through the crowd, armed with pool cues and knives, and were paid
with $500 worth of beer.

Doctors treated more than 800 people on LSD. Marty Balin of Jefferson
Airplane was beaten unconscious. Two New Jersey men died when they were run
over as they slept. Another person drowned in the nearby California Aqueduct.

``What happened? What went wrong?'' Mick Jagger said shortly after the
concert. ``If Jesus had been there, he would have been crucified.''

The area today doesn't look much different than it did 30 years ago.

Cows still wander the hills and pastures, which are dotted with trees and
well-worn farm houses.

The concert, designed as a ``thank-you'' from the British rockers after a
successful U.S. tour, was immortalized in the film documentary ``Gimme
Shelter'' by Albert Maysles and his brother Donald.

``We came in by helicopter at 3 a.m., before the light came up. As I was
walking towards the site with the band, we came to a fence,'' Albert Maysles,
now 73, said in a telephone interview from his office at Maysles Films in New
York. ``Somebody started to pull down the fence, and one of the Stones, with
some kind of stroke of prescience, said, 'The first act of violence.''

Not everyone agrees the concert signaled a change in society.

``It's a crass misreading of the times,'' said professor Paul Friedlander,
director of the Music Industry Studies program at Chico State University in
Chico, Calif.

``It's difficult to say that in December of 1969 Flower Power died. If it
ever existed, it had been wilting for the last couple of years.''

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[CTRL] China Says Jump, Seattle Asks How High?

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China says Seattle scraps Falun Gong endorsement

By Matt Pottinger

BEIJING, Dec 2 (Reuters) - The mayor of Seattle has scrapped plans to honour
the leader of the Falun Gong spiritual movement under pressure from China,
Chinese state media said on Thursday.

U.S. followers of Falun Gong said on Monday Seattle Mayor Paul Schell had
agreed to designate days honouring Falun Gong and its Chinese founder, Li
Hongzhi, the China Daily said.

But Chinese Ambassador to the United States Li Zhaoxing, attending World
Trade Organisation talks in Seattle, met Schell and persuaded him to revoke
his endorsement, the newspaper said.

Schell told the ambassador he was ``embarrassed by making such a careless
proclamation,'' the newspaper said in an article titled ``Falun Gong Muffled
in U.S. City.''

He later told the ambassador in a telephone call the endorsement had been
cancelled, the newspaper said. Schell also offered to send a formal letter of
apology to the Chinese government, it added.

Seattle city officials were not immediately available for comment.

China outlawed the popular movement in July after practitioners demanded
government recognition of their faith in a series of bold protests, including
a gathering of 10,000 followers at the central leadership compound in Beijing
in April.

CHINA SEES GRAVE THREAT

China has said the group poses a grave threat to Communist Party rule and
foments social instability by spreading superstitious beliefs.

It has mounted a sweeping campaign against the group and arrested at least
150 of its leaders. Several members have already been jailed for up to 12
years and an unknown number sent without trial to labour camps.

Li Hongzhi founded Falun Gong in China in 1991, but moved to New York six
years ago. He is now China's most wanted man.

Falun Gong mixes elements of Buddhism and Daoism with Chinese physical and
breathing exercises.

Li Hongzhi says adherents can cure diseases and acquire supernatural powers
by harnessing the force of an invisible revolving wheel he places in the
abdomens of followers.

He has railed against a world he sees as corrupted by science and immorality
and near the brink of catastrophe.

U.S. mayors are routinely swamped with requests by groups for honour
proclamations and other forms of official recognition.

Mayor Schell told the Chinese ambassador he knew nothing about Falun Gong
when he signed the order proclaiming ``Falun Dafa and Li Hongzhi days,'' the
China Daily said. Falun Dafa is another name for Falun Gong.

In July, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown also cancelled a proclamation
honouring Li Hongzhi just days after China banned the group, citing fears the
proclamation ``would be misinterpreted.''

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[CTRL] Jonathan Pollard: Hillary's Quid Pro Quo ?

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Group demands Mrs Clinton speak out on Israel spy

By Grant McCool

NEW YORK, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Hundreds of mostly Jewish demonstrators on Sunday
rallied on the doorstep of Hillary Clinton's U.S. Senate campaign
headquarters, demanding the first lady use her influence with the president
to win the release of a convicted Israeli spy.

The rally of rabbis and community leaders was the second in recent months
calling on Clinton to state her position on whether former U.S. Navy
intelligence analyst Jonathan Jay Pollard -- who has served 14 years of a
life sentence after pleading guilty to selling U.S. military secrets to
Israel -- should be freed.

``We are not going away. This is only the beginning of the campaign. We want
to know from Hillary where she stands on this important issue,'' said
Democratic New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who led the demonstration
on the sidewalk outside Clinton's Manhattan headquarters for her U.S. Senate
run in 2000.

Clinton was in Washington at the time of the rally and her campaign spokesman
could not immediately be reached for comment.

The first lady is campaigning for the Senate seat representing New York State
being vacated by fellow Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who is retiring.

The Pollard issue could be important in Clinton's bid for office because she
risks alienating some Jewish voters, a key constituency in any New York
political campaign. She has already been heavily criticised by the same
Jewish activists for sitting in silence last month while Suha Arafat, wife of
Palestinian President Yasser Arafat, made a speech highly critical of Israel
at a delicate time in the peace process.

Clinton's probable Republican opponent in the Nov. 2000 election is New York
City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who enjoys the support of many conservative
Jewish voters.

``What Jonathan Pollard did was wrong and he went to prison and he belonged
in prison,'' Hikind, who represents a predominantly Jewish neighbourhood in
Brooklyn, told about 300 people at the rally. ``But there is no reason why he
should be treated differently from every other spy for a friendly nation.''

Some of the demonstrators held placards such as ``Hill and Bill: Let Jonathan
Go'' and ``Hillary: Justice for Pollard.''

Senior U.S. security and intelligence officials oppose Pollard's release and
presidents Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Bill Clinton have refused to pardon
him.

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Re: [CTRL] Shimon Peres on Iran-Contra

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Iran-Contra Files Seized in Israel

By LAURIE COPANS
.c The Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) - Documents and tapes linked to the Iran-Contra affair have
been seized from the office of an Israeli newspaper publisher and one-time
arms dealer, a lawyer in the case said Thursday.

The office of Yaakov Nimrodi, acting publisher of the Maariv daily, was
searched this week as part of an investigation involving Nimrodi's son, Ofer,
who is suspected of having plotted the murder of a state witness in a
wiretapping scandal.

Police are not renewing an investigation of the Iran-Contra affair, said
spokesman Ofer Sivan. He would not say what material was taken from Nimrodi's
office.

The Iran-Contra scandal erupted in the mid-1980s when Israel and the United
States secretly sold weapons to Iran, while publicly condemning arms sales to
the country. The weapons, including anti-tank missiles, were sent to Iran in
exchange for Iran's agreement to work for the release of U.S. hostages held
in Lebanon by pro-Iranian Shiite Muslim extremists.

Nimrodi, a former agent in Iran for Israel's Mossad secret service, was one
of three Israeli middlemen in the deal. Part of the profits were funneled to
anti-Sandinista insurgents in Nicaragua known as Contras.

Yitzhak Shamir, prime minister at the time, said the United States always
knew what Israel was doing, but did not always agree. ``Our interests were
different, though very close,.'' he told Israel television.

Nimrodi's lawyer, Yossi Cohen, said Thursday that his client was writing a
book about the scandal and that while the documents and tapes in his
possession were of historical importance, they were not secret. Cohen said,
however, that Nimrodi hadn't looked at the material in 15 years.

A reference to Irangate first emerged Wednesday when police said they had
found a secret document linked to the scandal in the office of private
investigator Oded Ben-Dov. Police suspect Ben-Dov was hired as a hitman by
Nimrodi's son in the alleged plot against the witness.

Ben-Dov said the Iran-Contra document he had was sent to him by an overseas
client several years ago, the Haaretz newspaper reported. Israel television
reported that the document was a secret Israeli government inquiry into the
scandal.

The younger Nimrodi stepped down as Maariv publisher after police announced
last month they were investigating him in connection with the alleged murder
plot. Nimrodi was arrested a week ago. Earlier this year, he had served
four-and-a-half months in jail on charges he wiretapped phones of a rival
newspaper, Yediot Ahronot.

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[CTRL] Model Behavior ?

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Ex-model agency exec says behaviour inexcusable

PARIS, Dec 1 (Reuters) - A senior executive who resigned from leading French
model agency Elite over a documentary showing him soliciting sex said on
Wednesday his behaviour was inexcusable but he denied any criminal acts.

Elite Europe chairman Gerald Marie was among four Elite staff who came under
fire after a BBC film, which used a hidden camera to track a woman reporter
in the guise of an aspiring model in Milan, exposed the sleazy side of the
modelling world.

``The language that one uses in bars is unacceptable, even if one was framed,
even if it needed three months to gather several expressions...It's
inexcusable,'' he told LCI television.

Assistant Milan Prosecutor Ferdinando Pomarici opened an inquiry last week
after the documentary said hundreds of young girls are exploited each year in
Milan by unscrupulous agents who encourage them to have sex with ``clients.''

Filmed in secret, Marie -- ex-husband of supermodel Linda Evangelista --
appears to be seen saying to the woman journalist: ``I'll give you one
million lire ($522) if you go to bed with me.''

Marie resigned from Elite along with Xavier Moreau, head of Elite model Look.
Both have shunned an offer to be brought back on the board and said they
would fight independently to clear their names.

``There was rigging in the editing, of course, there are phrases which are
not justified for the images,'' he said.
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[CTRL] World's 6th Largest Nuclear Arsenal

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 "Vanunu secretly took a set of photographs inside the Dimona reactor and
passed them to The London Sunday Times. Based on those photographs, the Times
wrote in 1986 that Israel had the world's 6th largest nuclear arsenal."


Mordechai Vanunu Remains a Mystery

By RON KAMPEAS
.c The Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) - Mordechai Vanunu was a loner with access to Israel's most
guarded secrets, a cheap camera and a determination to tell the world what he
knew about the country's nuclear arsenal.

A partial, heavily censored 1,200-page transcript of the whistleblower's
closed-door trial, made available for the first time last week, reads like a
Le Carre spy thriller where the mystery lies less in the facts than in the
motives.

With the partial publication, apparently permitted to stave off demands for
full disclosure, Israel took another step toward confirming what military
experts and academics have long asserted: the country has a nuclear arsenal.

The testimony of a veteran engineer at the Dimona nuclear reactor settled the
facts of the case easily and early in the 1987-88 trial.

The engineer, called ``Giora'' in the transcript, was asked to look at a set
of photographs Vanunu, a low-level technician at Dimona, secretly took inside
the reactor and passed on to The Sunday Times of London. Based on the
photographs, the Times wrote in 1986 that Israel had the world's sixth
largest nuclear arsenal.

``Are the objects in the pictures objects that exist at the reactor?'' asked
prosecutor Uzi Hasson. A succinct ``yes'' survived an otherwise censored
answer. Would an expert understand what the objects mean? ``Of course,'' said
Giora.

In a tense exchange with Giora, defense attorney Avigdor Feldman asked him if
he understood Vanunu's contention that ``Israel must not hide the fact of its
nuclear weapons from its citizens.''

Giora retorted that it was better for Israel ``that this topic remains where
it is today, or should I say, where it was before the Vanunu affair.''

Probing Vanunu's motives has become the transcript's mystery.

Vanunu has not helped: he has refused to enter a plea. When a judge, swearing
him in, asked him the year of his birth, he offered, ``My identity card says
1954.''

He became expansive only when asked to explain his attraction to a vague
existentialism that he has said led him to reveal the operation of a nuclear
weapons factory he found increasingly dangerous.

``What is `good' must be `good' for all of society,'' Vanunu said.

He revealed a troubled upbringing - an estrangement from his religious
parents, a solitary university existence.

Pressed as to why he became attracted to student politics - a process that
brought him into contact with peace activists and culminated in his decision
to smuggle a camera into his workplace - he retreated again into his wry,
oblique humor: ``Corruption in the cafeteria.''

His prickliness was his undoing when it led him to ignore warnings against a
planned tryst with an attractive American woman, Cindy, he met in London.

Peter Hounam, the Sunday Times journalist assigned to protect him, told the
court that he was suspicious about Cindy and that he asked Vanunu not to go.

Hounam's suspicions were prescient: Cindy was the Mossad agent who lured him
into abduction from Rome to Israel.

It was when Vanunu described his abduction - ordered by then-Prime Minister
Shimon Peres - that he was at his most vulnerable. ``It was just awful. ...
You're kidnapped, abducted, they could execute you,'' he said.

Yet, by the time he landed on an Israeli beach, he was relaxed and harangued
his escorts with no-nukes evangelism - and with his newly discovered belief
in Christianity.

The repeated references to Jesus on the pre-dawn drive from the beach to
Ashkelon prison annoyed one of his interrogators, called ``Yehuda.''

Yehuda did not buy Vanunu's altruism, and was convinced that the Sunday Times
had promised him $100,000 - Hounam's insistence to the contrary
notwithstanding.

``I'm telling you, it was an act of treason by ... a person who is ready to
sell everything, partly for money, partly for status, partly to ease
frustrations and partly to decide that he is something,'' Yehuda said.

By contrast, another interrogator found himself drawn to Vanunu.

``Everyone who dealt with him, even the jailers, established a bond with
him,'' ``Alon'' recalled, and described how he took an interest in Vanunu's
continuing education, bringing him books.

Vanunu, sentenced to 18 years, disappeared into solitary confinement - where
he stayed until 1998. He is now 45 and has five years left in his sentence.
But his country has been unable to shake him.

Peres testified that Norway temporarily suspended the sale to Israel of heavy
water - which can be used in nuclear weapons production - and there was
evidence that Arab states accelerated their nuclear programs. In Washington,
members of Congress started asking hard questions.

Eventually, Vanunu's greatest 

[CTRL] Adios Miranda

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 ``If police can violate Miranda with impunity, where's the check on
police power?"


Court To Revisit Its Miranda Ruling

By RICHARD CARELLI
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court, confronting its landmark Miranda ruling
head-on, agreed Monday to decide whether police still must warn criminal
suspects they have a ``right to remain silent'' and to get a lawyer's help.

The justices said they will rule by summer on whether Congress in 1968
effectively overturned the 1966 decision, familiar not only to police and
suspects but to generations of Americans who have witnessed countless arrests
in movies and on television.

Clinton administration lawyers are refusing to defend the anti-Miranda law
enacted by Congress, but a federal appeals court upheld it earlier this year
- setting the stage for this constitutional showdown.

The court, far more liberal 33 years ago than it is today, sought to remedy
``inherently coercive'' interrogations by requiring police to inform criminal
suspects of their rights before questioning them. Failure to give the
warnings can result in evidence - a confession or some incriminating
statement - being lost to prosecutors.

But in a surprising ruling earlier this year, the conservative 4th U.S.
Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a long-ignored 1968 federal law known as
Section 3501 means failure to issue Miranda warnings no longer requires
automatic exclusion of evidence in federal prosecutions.

That ruling would let prosecutors use incriminating statements that Charles
Dickerson of Takoma Park, Md. - accused in seven bank robberies in Maryland
and Virginia - made to FBI agents even though he may not have received a
proper Miranda warning.

The appeals court's rationale would apply to state prosecutions as well. By
an 8-5 vote last February, it said Section 3501 made failing to give Miranda
warnings just one of several factors in deciding whether statements to police
were made voluntarily.

Section 3501 says ``the presence or absence'' of any factor such as a Miranda
warning ``need not be conclusive on the issue of voluntariness.''

Neither Dickerson nor the federal prosecutors who had opposed his appeal
focused on the 1968 law. But University of Utah law professor Paul Cassell,
representing the conservative Washington Legal Foundation as a friend of the
court, sought to revive the dormant Section 3501.

He succeeded in the 4th Circuit court and was appointed Monday to defend the
law when the case is argued before the nation's highest court in March or
April.

``We're cautiously optimistic about our chances of winning,'' Cassell said
after learning of the court's action. ``This is an issue that has been
waiting to be decided for over 30 years. The court today is much more
sensitive to the need for confessions, which are vital to solving large
numbers of criminal cases,'' he said.

The Miranda decision, named for the late Ernesto Miranda, a career criminal
in Phoenix, flowed from the Fifth Amendment's guarantee that no one ``shall
be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.''

But the court never explicitly has said its decision or the police warnings
were required by the Fifth Amendment. If the Miranda ruling was not
constitutionally based, the court never really had the authority to make the
warnings mandatory.

After Dickerson's appeal was filed, the Clinton administration refused to
defend Section 3501. Justice Department lawyers contend that the Miranda
ruling ``is of constitutional dimension'' and ``cannot be superseded merely
by legislation.''

``At this point in time, 33 years after Miranda was decided and many years
after it has been absorbed into police practices, judicial procedures and
public understanding, the Miranda decision should not be overruled,''
government lawyers told the court.

The political sensitivity of the case was highlighted when Attorney General
Janet Reno decided to sign the government's brief herself, a rarity.

Dickerson's lawyer, James Hundley of Fairfax, Va., was not immediately
available for comment Monday. But in a recent interview, he worried about his
client, now free on bail, and the nation at large.

``Sure we run the risk of having the whole country stuck with a bad Supreme
Court decision, but I have to represent my client zealously,'' Hundley said.
``If police can violate Miranda with impunity, where's the check on police
power/"

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[CTRL] Treasury Dept Out of Control

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Treasury Criticized by Investigator

By MATT KELLEY
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Treasury Department lawyers failed to keep the agency from
shredding potential evidence in a lawsuit over American Indians' money, then
covered up the shredding for more than 14 weeks and misled a federal court
about it, a court-appointed investigator concluded.

``This is a system clearly out of control,'' investigator Alan Balaran wrote
in the report, released today by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth.

Justice Department lawyers had asked Lamberth to delay releasing the report,
saying it ``could result in severe and unfair damage'' to the reputations of
seven Treasury Department lawyers interviewed in the shredding probe.
Lamberth rejected that request Monday, noting that more than ten months have
passed since the shredding ended.

Workers had shredded 162 boxes of documents possibly related to the Indian
lawsuit before Treasury Department officials learned of the practice and
stopped it on Jan. 27. At the time, Lamberth was considering whether to hold
government officials in contempt of court because of mishandling other
documents in the case.

Lamberth cited then-Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and Interior Secretary
Bruce Babbitt for contempt of court in February.

Treasury Department lawyers waited more than 14 weeks before notifying
Lamberth in May that the 162 boxes of records had been shredded. Lawyers for
the federal government made statements to Lamberth about the records that
were at best misleading and at worst ``patently untrue,'' Balaran wrote.

The lawsuit seeks damages for the government's mismanagement of accounts now
worth about $500 million for more than 300,000 individual Indians. The
accounts include proceeds from government-approved leases on Indian land for
activities such as grazing, logging, mining and oil drilling.

The Indians' lawyers said last month they would seek another contempt
citation after Balaran found documents relevant to the case dumped into a
shed with used tires and other debris on a North Dakota reservation.

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[CTRL] Safra Hit?

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 "Safra's chief of security was Israeli-trained.  Since 1985 --[after the
Iran-Contra hearings]-- the banker had been protected by 'former' [Mossad]
agents.".


Banker's Nurse Admits Setting Fire

By IAN PHILLIPS
.c The Associated Press

MONTE CARLO, Monaco (AP) - An American nurse who initially told police that
hooded intruders set the fire that killed billionaire banker Edmond Safra
admitted today that he started the blaze himself, Monaco's chief prosecutor
said.

Ted Maher, 41, told police that he set the fire in an effort to get back at
another member of Safra's staff and had not intended to kill the banker,
Prosecutor Daniel Serdet told a news conference.

Maher confessed this morning. He will be charged with arson leading to two
deaths, a crime punishable by life in prison, Serdet said.

Safra, 67, suffocated Friday along with another American nurse, Viviane
Torrent, in the fire at his luxury seaside apartment in Monaco. The banker,
the founder of the Republic National Bank of New York and one of the world's
wealthiest men, was under medical care for Parkinson's disease.

Safra's wife, Lily, who had taken refuge in another room after a security
alarm sounded shortly before the fire, was unharmed.

Police said that before he died, Safra spoke to his wife twice from the
bathroom using his mobile phone. Officials said the 67-year-old Lebanese-born
businessman was still alive when firefighters arrived at his burning
apartment, but he ignored their pleas to unlock the bathroom door, fearing
that assailants were outside.

However, a source with detailed knowledge of the case said that Safra called
police twice while he was coughing in the smoke-filled bathroom and begged
them to get him out. Reports that Safra had talked to his wife and refused to
open the door were ``totally untrue,'' the source said.

The source said that Maher had told investigators he wanted to be a hero by
saving his boss.

Serdet said Maher told authorities he acted alone. He appeared
psychologically unstable, was on medication and stabbed himself twice to
mislead police, Serdet said.

``It was my own dark ideas which led me to do this,'' Serdet quoted Maher as
saying.

``He wanted to settle an account with another member of the staff and also
bring attention to himself,'' Serdet said.

Police had cast doubt on Maher's previous version of events - that two hooded
men had entered Safra's apartment and set the pre-dawn fire.

Serdet said that detailed knowledge of the high-security apartment building -
and a key - would have been required to break in.

Maher was hospitalized after the fire with a knife wound in his stomach and
one in his thigh. The wounds were not life-threatening, officials said.

``He has confessed that he stabbed himself twice to try to cover up the
affair,'' Serdet said.

A bloodstained, 3-inch switchblade knife was found in the apartment, but it
was not known whether fingerprints had been traced. According to the French
daily Le Monde, the knife belonged to Maher.

The arson was not financially motivated, Serdet said.

Maher earned $600 a day, Serdet said and told police he had ``spoiled the
most beautiful job he had ever had.''

Maher, who is married and has three children, had worked for Safra for five
months, but he had been in Monaco just six weeks. He originally hailed from
Auburn, Maine, and later moved to Stormville, N.Y., officials said.

According to the prosecutor, Maher apparently had a conflict with the head of
Safra's medical team that pushed him to set the fire. It was unclear why he
felt a fire would settle the score.

Maher had been next to Safra's bed from 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. Friday morning when
he was replaced by Torrent, Serdet said. He then went to sleep in a small
room with a bed next to Safra's room.

``If he had wanted to kill Safra, he would have had 10,000 chances a day,''
Serdet said.

French and Italian media reported today that Safra's chief of security was
Israeli-trained and the banker had been protected by former Israeli security
agents since 1985.

In Geneva, about 700 mourners gathered today for Safra's funeral and burial.
Safra had long-standing connections with Geneva, where he was a resident for
several years and retained a home.

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Psychologists' Ethics Questioned

CLEVELAND (AP) - Hundreds of psychologists guilty of serious professional
misconduct continue to treat patients because regulatory boards composed of
their peers are reluctant to discipline them, The Plain Dealer reported.

Boards nationwide have revoked only a handful of licenses, and in most cases
impose minor sanctions such as loose supervision, ethics coursework and
therapy, the newspaper reported Sunday.

Of the 670 psychologists disciplined nationally for sexual misconduct, 131
were only reprimanded or were placed on probation under terms that allowed
them to continue practicing, the newspaper reported.

The newspaper's survey of the nation's regulatory boards found that from
September 1971 through last June, nearly 2,200 of the nation's 75,000
licensed psychologists committed major ethical violations, such as engaging
in sexual misconduct with a patient.

Twenty-seven states have revoked five or fewer licenses. West Virginia, Rhode
Island, North Dakota and Montana license a total of 1,500 psychologists but
have taken a combined 15 disciplinary actions and have never revoked a
license. And New York, home to about 14,000 psychologists, has revoked 12
licenses.

In Ohio, which has 3,900 licensed psychologists, the Board of Psychology has
revoked only 16 licenses since it came into existence in 1972.

Critics of the self-regulated profession told the newspaper that serious
misconduct should result in license forfeitures.

``For the physicians or therapists who have engaged in sex with their
patients, they should not be allowed to go back into practice, period,'' said
Dr. Sidney Wolfe, director of the Public Citizen Health Research Group.

Many boards impose lenient sentences because they see themselves as
therapists trying to rehabilitate dysfunctional peers rather than judges
dispensing justice, said R. Chris Barden, a Salt Lake City psychologist who
served on the Minnesota Board of Psychology during 1993-1997.

``I refer to psychology boards as 'captured boards,' boards that have been
captured by the profession they are supposed to regulate,'' he said.

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