[CTRL] Jesus is Fiction?
-Caveat Lector- Previous Thread: Re: [CTRL] Christ a Fiction. :::metamorphs into human to use keyboard::: Regarding: Christ a Fiction (1997) Robert M. Price I am continually amused at how trendy it has become to be one who bashes Christianity. Granted, most of the better (and recent) Christian bashing, has specifically been written to appear as if it is a clearing of the writer's conscience. Or, in the case of David Icke, it is done to free mankind from the "prison religions" which have been created by the reptillian forces behind the N.W.O. After reading the piece (excerpt?) from Robert Price's testimony of self liberty, it appears that a large portion of his seminary training has remained ingrained in his ability to convey a message. Case In Point: When seeking to distance himself from what he *now* believes to be the ignorant bliss of Christianity as a whole, his only method of forging his own path, is to attack the faith of those-- to whose ranks he once belonged. This, is but the reverse method which is employed by a majority of *professing* Christians-- to attack the elements of the world to which they once belonged. We are forced to conclude (and sincerely hope) that this piece is BUT an excerpt; for if we have read what Robert Price has to say in his entirety, it appears that he has completely failed to enlighten the reader to what he himself believes-- choosing rather to establish who he is, by telling us whom he is not. It is purposeful that this post does not address each individual incorrect statement made by Price regarding what he *now* believes to be the truth regarding the Gospels. It is nakedly obvious that Price has chosen to believe in what he has *decided* are the facts. And yet, it is this VERY SAME action which he despises within the ranks of Christianity as a whole... Christian's have faith in what we have decided are the facts. Robert Price has faith in what he has decided are the facts. While the eternal ramifications of the above decisions remain to be seen, it is currently apparent that the temporal decisions look terribly, terribly alike. Where Price is wrong, is that he joins David Icke in espousing that the historical Jesus is a myth. This is done, at the cost of purposely overlooking the historicity of the man known as Jesus of Nazareth-- which degrades the value of the rest of his attempted argument. That Jesus is a man of history, is not a question. There remains, today, in the British Museum a letter written from Pontius Pilate to Caesar, in which, Pontius tells of his amazing face to face confrontation with Jesus of NazarethAFTER the crucifixion. Again, if Jesus is a myth, we might wonder why historians such as Cornelius Tacitus would have staked his reputation (as a valid historian) when recording the events of Christ's crucifixion in his own works (Tacitus-Annuls XV.44). No one ever doubts the history recorded by Josephus, except of course when Flavius mentions the man named Jesus whom was crucified after claiming to be the Messiah (Flavius Josephus- Antiquities of the Jews XVIII.3.3; XX.9.1). The same might be said of other historians such as Suetonius, Plinius Secundus, Phlegon or even Thallus. For crying out loud, even the Talmud makes mention of Jesus on several occasions. For that matter, so does the Koran. Of course, all of these secular historians and religious scribes (of sorts) varied GREATLY on who the historical Jesus actually wasbut NONE of them deny that Jesus of Nazareth existed. By making blanket statements regarding the history of Jesus of Nazareth, Price winds up looking an awful lot like David Icke-- for if Jesus is NOT a man of history, then the Jews who wrote of Jesus in the Talmud AND Mohammed who wrote of Jesus in the Koran AND Flavius who recorded Jesus in the History of the Jews--- all must be part of the "prison religion" scam being laid upon mankind by the Metamorphin' Lizard people. To say that there is "no Jesus" because history has lost him, is to say that in less than two millennia from now, George Washington will cease to exist for the same reason. LOLby using Price's theology...in two thousand years, HE will have never existed ALSO...LOL. The history of Jesus of Nazareth is not truly what is being discussed by PriceHis writing appears to be more of a wanting toward self-justification, after expelling himself from Christianity. If Chrisianity has become known to be represented by the symbol of the Cross, then agnostics should also have a symbol to represent them I vote that it should be a question mark. :::metamorphs back into state of lizard::: Tsadowq DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor
Re: [CTRL] Jesus is Fiction?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 July 1999 08:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SOVERVIEW The search for the historical jesus-John moore Long before the "Jesus Seminar" made headlines with its bold pronouncements about the "true" Jesus, the groundwork for the organisation had already been laid. The story of the "Quest for the historical jesus" is a sobering tale of academic arrogance and folly that begins in the early nineteenth century. Theologians seeking to be rely adopted the latest assumptions about reality that came from prestigious faculties of philosophy-often down the hall from their own departments. As philosophical trends changed-say, from neo-Kantianism 1 logical positivism-so did theological views. Theologians desperate for peer respectability Quickly adopted d latest views. They abandoned the very gospel they had been entrusted to preserve, altering it to fit current philosophical vogue. Early in ti game they declared there were no such things as miracles. After that they proceeded to "unearth" the true Jesus beneath the strata of "myth As we reach the end of the twentieth century we now witness when this journey has taken us-to final bankruptcy. as today's academic elk declare that the "true" jesus is merely the jesus of our own imagination The Jesus Seminar has merely borrowed from this academic Quest th has gone on for the better part of two centuries as great sectors ( Christendom have continued to fall behind these blind guides. Ti wreckage has been staggering. 9 THE QUEST FOR THE HISTORICAL JESUS John Moore over the past several hundred years there has been a unique assault on the "faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3 NASB). It has come from the most prestigious and influential universities in the West where theologians, biblical "critics," and other scholars have been relentlessly destroying the pillars of the faith-first chip ping away, then tearing them down. The byproduct of this organized campaign of intellectual cynicism can be seen in the West-across Europe and America-in the empty churches that were once bastions of robust faith and orthodoxy. These often beautiful, at times grand edifices had much happier days before their riches were plundered. Once full of steadfast believers who knew their Lord and God, they have been robbed by a unique den of thieves. Today they stand largely empty, little more than a quaint reminder of bygone days. When the grand universities and academies ceased to believe, they passed their sepsis of unbelief down the hier-archy of learning, from theologians to clerics. Reverends in long, flowing robes could show off their newfound bank-ruptcy of faith. From the pulpits, this high sounding doubt was passed down to parishioners. At first these new if became fashionable among the educated, a sign of b ahead socially and intellectually. Gradually, other sheep 1 dered into this wasteland of emptied meaning in a gen "falling away," which is now the state of much of Christian former bastion, Europe. The church in the United States, ' evidence would indicate, is not far behind. 1 One of the most potent forms this intellectual and a emit plundering took was through what is known as "quest for the historical Jesus." The development of this provides us a unique glimpse into the process of apostasy. a glimpse into history that has had an impact on all Christi The Jesus Seminar that we see today is just the latest, and : haps the final, chapter in a tale of academic arrogance pride that spans the centuries since the eighteenth-century Enlightenment. What follows is a brief tour of the vari stages of this quest. The First Quest The first leg of the story begins in the late eighteenth century and runs through the whole of the nineteenth, an mainly a story of German New Testament scholarship, begning with Herman Reimarus. Reimarus's work, publis: posthumously in 1778, was a skeptical account, the first I tried to separate Jesus' words from those supposedly giver Him by His disciples. Reimarus believed that Jesus had Orignally preached a this-worldly message in line with Jeu nationalistic hopes. The disappointed disciples later rewor His message into that of a universal Savior.' In believing Jesus' words as recorded in the New Testament were not own, or at least not entirely His own, but that they had b conscripted into the service of a later socioreligious rnq ment, Reimarus gave birth to the idea that there was a t ' "historical" Jesus hidden somewhere behind the layers of tlg dition and theology in the New Testament documents. -' quest to find that true Jesus of history was begun. ,+ The roots for Reimarus's work had been laid earlier, however, by the Englishman John Locke (1632-1704) and his contemporaries. Locke, whose thought and writings were to play a significant
[CTRL] [Well?] Re: How Would Humans React If ET's Landed (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A nationwide survey by the Roper Organization has uncovered the following: ...one out of four Americans think most people would "totally freak out and panic" if such evidence were confirmed. snip When asked how they would react psychologically to confirmation of advanced extraterrestrial life: 32% said they were "fully prepared to handle it" 17% said they would "rethink their place in the universe". Yet when asked how they think OTHERS would react to the same news: 25% said that "most people would totally freak out and panic" 10% said most others would "act irrationally and become dangerous to others 14% said that others would "begin to act very strangely" 36% said "most people would be very concerned", and only 13% said "most people would handle the information in a calm and rational way". Well?? What do you all think of these results?? Agree?? Disagree?? I think I agree with the two bottom lines above. Taken together, HALF the people polled believe as I do below: Personally, I give us A LOT of credit. In other words, whether intentional or not, I feel that the preparation propaganda we have been being BOMBARDED WITH over the last decade HAS WORKED! IF it was SEEMINGLY peaceful contact, WHETHER MOST TRUSTED THEM OR NOT (which, btw, seems to be a MUCH more relevant question that these polls SHOULD BE addressing, BUT FOR SOME REASON NEVER HAVE?), I feel that after a very brief (i.e., like 1/2 a day) period of shock in which there would be as many people in a lethargic daze as there were in emotional agitation, AFTER WE WOKE THE NEXT DAY to find them still here, us still alive, and otherwise things as usual, I feel strongly that the VAST MAJORITY of people in the world would have adopted a WIDE EYED attitude, one of cautious, extremely serious yet alert, CALM! After all, WE AIN'T DUMB! If we hadn't realized on our own within several hours, then our leaders will have told us via media, etc, THAT THERE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO ABOUT ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DO TO US...that there was really no need to panic because IF they had wanted to harm us, at that point we wouldn't have been contemplating or discussing this, i.e., they WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE SO. I think down deep we all would SOON realize that even IF they were to change their minds and decide later to destroy us, there ain't a damn thing we could do about it anyway...so we might as well take one of the same two options we have ALWAYS HAD open to us, i.e., be a fool and get locked up or shot, or settle down and see what comes. Any way ya cut it, it would be exciting, huh? Contrary to what one would tend to believe, I think many would turn to prayer/God, many for the first time. But, as far as freaking out, open displays of civil disobedience, violence, open panic in the streets, looting, shooting each other, etc, etc, etc, NO WAY!! Now, on the other hand, if "they" began to brake loose on our asses with their ET weapons of mass destruction, i.e., ID4 scenario...ARE YOU KIDDIN'ME?!?! Why HELL YES!! It don't take no Bigelo Roper poll to know we'd be freaking the f*%k out, BIG TIME! I mean, Forgettaboutit! Literally!! Well, I'm ready to place a modest wager or two on the above. Any takers ... and what odds do I get? :) Be cool, my fellow Earthlings...be cool. Lol. Mike P.S. I don't trust Bigelo or his group as far as I can urinate. Just like our government does when they don't like the results of some study THEY FUNDED, THIS DUDE WOULD NEVER HAVE RELEASED THESE FINDINGS UNLESS IT MATCHED HIS AGENDA!! Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling that this survey was just more of the same ol'crap, i.e., maybe preparation, but FOR SURE some kind of mind game?? Btw, you can call me Mike or you can call me Mel [G.]. ;-) = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Jesus is Fiction?
-Caveat Lector- The Talmud is ironically one of the best confirmers of the historicity of christianity-although in a negative light. written between about 20ad-500AD it has very strong views on christ, none of which is that he didnt exist. I dont think that religion (except its use in social control and group identity) should be a topic for this discussion list. John Between Isaac and Ishmael-Brooks Alexander overview Westerners in the main are completely unaware of religious persecution of Christians in Israel and Islamic lands--i Christians can face enormous social consequences for their faith. The fact is. both ludaism and Islam have altered the message and identity of Christ over the centuries, distorting Jesus (and His gospel) in different ways. The result has been that both have created a pervasive anti christian prejudice among their followers, in a sense immunizing, them against the gospel of Christ. Christians in the Middle East today are in particularly difficult circumstances. Pressed hard from both sides, thy have essentially options: (I) leave their ancestral homeland: (2) suffer in silence anonymity. This situation also explains the difficulty and rarity of Christian conversions in the Middle East. It helps explain the bill before Israeli parliament to essentially ban all Christian activity in Israel. ! particuilarly, Christian converts from Islam face harsh physical reprisals from their former co-religionists. Christians in the West may occasionally experience mild public opposition for an "offensive" view that is at odds with secularism, political correctness, and so on. Indeed, adhering to Christ and the go has social consequences for anyone who takes his faith seriously. In Jewish and Islamic lands, Christians are in a far more precarious position-one in which the opposition can be lethal.41 BETWEEN ISAAC AND ISHMAEL JEWISH AND ISLAMIC ANIMOSITY TOWARD CHRIST Brooks Alexander Imagine would happen if. Jesus returned to the land of His birth today? What-would His reception be? That question has been asked (and answered) in drama and speculative fiction. Authors who handle the theme usually assume Jesus would be rejected a second time as well, and use the ironic twist as a literary device. But we don't have to resort to literary speculation to know how Christ would be received today. Christ's brothers and sisters-believers in the "Good News," Hi family of faith-are being received as He would be in the Holy Land right now. To know how Christ would be treated, we have only to look at the way Christians are being treated in the land where their faith began. Triangle of Anathema The picture we see is disturbing. The plight of Christians in the Middle East today is always difficult, often dangerous, and sometimes desperate--caught as they are in the crossfire between Arab/Moslem/Palestinian interests and Zionist/Jewish/Israeli interests. Both the Moslem nations and the Jewish State pursue pollicies that bring pressure to bear on Christians in the territories under their control. And both the Moslem and Jewish cultures foster a popular hostility toward Christianity that routinely produces social discrimination and sporadically erupts into violence against believers. The worst news is that this kind of dual pressure is having its intended effect. The overt and covert purpose of all t discrimination is to either ghettoize other religions or d them out completely. This serves to "religiously cleanse" society so it can become a purer expression of either "Jewish State" or the "Islamic State," depending on which is doing the cleansing. It is working. The double pincer of Moslem and Jewish pressure against Christianity is driving Christians out of Holy Land at a rate that can only be described as "mass flight According to a survey conducted by Dr. Bernard Sabella' of Bethlehem University, the great majority of Christian Palestinians have already left. SabelIa's work shows that.. . there are now more Jerusalem-born Christians living ir Sydney than in Jerusalem. . . . Most observers agree that if emigration continues as at present it is only a matter of time' before Christianity becomes extinct in the land of its birth."! The prospect seems almost unthinkable-Christ Christianity driven from the land of Christ! But theprospect is quite thinkable to the extremists of both Judaism and Islam for whom the gospel is equally an affront to their religious claims and an impediment to their political aims. Moslem extremists would like to see Jews and Christiansi simply gone from the Middle East, and are ready to help it happen. Jewish extremists, for their part, would like to aII Moslems and Christians gone, and are also ready to push t process along. Unfortunately, both Moslem and Jewish extremists not only inflame existing cultural attitudes, tb influence-and sometimes determine-official policies
[CTRL] More of the Barrage: AP: Extraterrestrial Life Sought (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- There's got to be DOZENS of these in the West's major news service wires EACH DAY lately!! And, most aren't just talking seriously about ET life being possibleTHEY'RE TALKING INTELLIGENT LIFE! In the early 80's there were what...NONE?!?! ...A decade ago, what? ...far less than a dozen serious articles in the main stream news regarding even an infinitesimally small possibility of even NONintelligent ET life IN AN ENTIRE YEAR Look, OBVIOUSLY all it takes is for a few Wrigleys, Hursts, Bigelos, et al., to TELL their people/editors that they want more of these assignments handed out every day... FACT: Editors ARE handing out more of these assignments EVERY DAY...so numerous that not only are the reporters probably bored $h!tless with them, but for sure WE ARE! A person's gotta be really dense to think SOMETHING isn't being heaped on usLIKE A BIG DAWG IN A PANIC! --begin forward-- Extraterrestrial Life Sought .c The Associated Press By MICHELLE LOCKE HAT CREEK, Calif. (AP) - On a high desert plain, with silvery green sagebrush roasting under a glowing ball of sun, astronomer Jack Welch looks at the sky and wonders. For years, he's studied the stars, uncovered the secrets of their distant fire. Now, as the first professor to hold the new chair dedicated to the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence at the University of California at Berkeley, Welch is embarking on a new venture - listening for the alien civilizations that may lie beyond the stars. The future is out there, he thinks. One day, he hopes to hear it. ``We're listening for technologies like our own,'' he says. Welch, an expert in star formation, has been coming to the mountains of Northern California for years, studying stellar chemistry at Berkeley's Hat Creek Radio Observatory, some 230 miles northeast of the university. Last fall, he was appointed to the Watson and Marilyn Alberts Chair for the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, a field of study commonly called SETI. ``The search for extraterrestrial intelligence is like taking a big leap and saying, 'Well, look, if there's organic chemistry going on, why don't we just - boom - listen?,''' he says, striking his hands together for emphasis. ``Why don't we just go right to the top?'' Some think Welch and his colleagues are wasting their time. ``There are excellent reasons to expect that technological intelligence occurs only very rarely in the universe,'' Ben Zuckerman, a professor of astronomy at the University of California at Los Angeles, says in an e-mail interview. Zuckerman opposes public funding of SETI research but says he wishes the researchers good luck provided they stick to private funds. He said the idea that aliens are out there ``is supported only by Copernican argument and wishful thinking.'' By Copernican argument, Zuckerman refers to a world view - dating back to the astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth revolves around the sun - that there's nothing particularly special about life on Earth and it could therefore exist elsewhere. Congress withdrew NASA funding for SETI in 1993 amid cutbacks and criticism. The work continued after a number of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs stepped in with private support. On the other end of the spectrum are those who seem a little too willing to believe: the UFO enthusiasts with their tales of bright lights on country roads who make the SETI scientists groan. Welch says no unexplained radio signal has been received in decades of listening, let alone a visitation. ``My own feeling is they're less likely to be flying around in a spaceship than to be parked on a planet somewhere broadcasting,'' he says. Having a chair at prestigious Berkeley - one endowed with $500,000 to boot - is vindication for SETI researchers trying to demonstrate their work is science, not fiction. ``It shows that SETI has been recognized as an important part of mainstream science,'' says Frank Drake, president of the Mountain View-based SETI Institute and a pioneer of the use of radio telescopes in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Welch has strong ties to the SETI Institute. He's on the board of directors and is married to Jill Tarter, project scientist for Project Phoenix, the institute's search program. Tarter was the model for the astronomer played by Jodie Foster in the 1997 movie ``Contact.'' Welch's job makes the couple a two-chair pair; Tarter holds the institute's Bernard M. Oliver Chair for SETI. A former director of UC Berkeley's Radio Astronomy Laboratory, Welch took a roundabout route to SETI, spending most of his career in orthodox astronomy. But with each major discovery, he became more convinced that the possibility of life elsewhere existed. ``The numbers are sort of overwhelming,'' he says, reeling off the arguments for life beyond Earth: billions of stars, millions of planets, the discovery of water and other organic chemicals floating
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990712a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No quadratic equations were solved during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Brazil A New Age Magnet - Awash In Millennium Cults. BRASLIA, BRAZIL -- You check your guidebook to see if you've stumbled onto a set for a sci-fi movie. In fact, you've found one of Brazil's biggest tourism attractions: New Age cults awash in Y2K fervor. Promoting a rich brew of religious and mythical tenets, most predict an apocalypse greatly moderated by the paradisiacal times beyond: http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/awash.htm : Do you look forward to Y2K? Does your cult cash in on millennial fever? Is it fun, touristy, exciting, cynical? Have you built an Armageddon themepark? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Establishing crocodiles museum in Aswan. The Egyptian Supreme Council for Antiquities may establish a museum of crocodiles and water creatures in pharonic Egypt in the Kom Ombo area in Aswan, which was a main center for worshipping the god SOPECK (crocodile), a symbol of good in ancient Egypt. Kom Ombo temple includes 300 mummified crocodiles as well as a group of water creatures, animals and mummified insects that were famous in ancient Egypt. http://upway.com/cgi-bin/readnews?day=99_07_10item=#931642395 : Did ancient Egyptians worship crocodiles to honor the Reptilioids who gave them mathematics, agriculture, astronomy, construction technology hot sex? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # A new face for an old religion. They believe in one Supreme Being who is all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving. They believe in abstaining from gambling, alcohol, coffee, tea, tobacco illicit sex. They send thousands of young folks into the world to share their beliefs. And they're in Utah, subsidized by Mormons. Members of today's Int'l Society for Krishna Con- sciousness are not your father's Hare Krishnas. Once viewed as a haven for ragamuffin college kids, the Hare Krishna Movement has gone mainstream. But what about the troubling stereotype of hippie kids hassling airport commuters? http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,100010399,00.html : Is your belief system a dominant heresy? Where? Is ISKCON just heretical Hinduism? Have you ever hassled airport commuters? Is it fun? Do you spawn? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # 'Unabomber' Ted Kaczynski Was CIA Mind Control Subject! At some point in his Harvard years -- 1958 to 1962 -- Kaczynski agreed to be the subject of "a psychological experiment." The chief researcher for these was Dr. Henry Murray, of the CIA's predecessor organization, the Office of Strategic Services, who zealously prosecuted the CIA's efforts to carry forward experiments in mind control conducted by Nazi doctors in the concentration camps. The CIA's mind experiment program was vast. How many other human time bombs were thus primed? How many of them have exploded? Doses of LSD, psilocybin and other potions: http://www.sightings.com/politics4/kaz.htm : Do you use or administer mind-control drugs? Are you a human time bomb? Is it fun? Am I controlling your mind right now? How d'ya know? Am I dangerous? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Homosexual tendencies aren't genetic traits, researchers claim. Despite characterizations made by politicos, several mental health organizations even some church leaders, homosexuality is not a genetic predisposition, the authors of a new book say. But they aren't geneticists or population scientists, so FI. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,100010390,00.html : Is your sinful behavior caused by genes, demons, alien implants, CIA mind- control technologies, your evil nature, random factors, microscopic radioac- tive spiders from the galactic core, god's will, brain worms, me? Is it fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Iranian Ambassador wants all of Palestine. [MEMRI] Iran's ambassador to Syria foresees that "Israel would cease to exist within 50 years" and that the conflict between the Hebrew State and the Arab countries wouldn't "end with the signing of peace agreements because we want all of Palestine and Jerusalem." http://upway.com/cgi-bin/readnews?day=99_07_11item=#931717958 : Does your belief system promote the extermination of members of competing systems? Have you taken active steps to exterminate competitors? Are your competitors trying to wipe you out too? Do you deserve to be exterminated? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ UFO chipped from iceberg above the Arctic Circle: @ Ice Age Alien discovered in Turkey: @ Ladonia Alien skeleton? @ Documentary Proof found of Roswell Aliens: @ 200,000 Year Old Female Baby found in MOON Rocks! @ UFOs and Aliens exist. It's Official: @ Alien Solar System: @ People who see UFOs and ETs are NOT 'Whacko': @ Heavy Light: @ Abduction by ETs
Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
-Caveat Lector- Hello Joshua This is not entertainment. I've heard all of it before in various forms. I suggest you put the time in to reading the Scarlet and the Beast exerpts by John Daniels that were on this list a few weeks ago. If this is all new to you, then may I suggest you dig a little deeper into the religious motivation of the controllers of this world. If you've not taken this into consideration then you have a lot of learning to do yet. You may also like to study the genetics of those same people. After that, you may care to study the book The Keys to this Blood by Malachi Martin. Then the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as described in the post you are talking about. You may also benefit by reading Dark Majesty by Texe Marrs about the royalty links in the perpetuators of the NWO . Once you have read these, then judge the article below again and look for the connections please. Nicky -Original Message- From: Nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, 12 July 1999 4:37 Subject: Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] "Factions" or Hegelian Game? -Caveat Lector- This stuff is gibberish. If you take this stuff seriously, you need to develop judgement. If this is entertainment, say so. Joshua2 Nicky Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- By Michael Wagner Hi all! I know many of you are well aware of the info provided by Gunther Rayelan Russbacher (www.rumormillnews.com) concerning the apparent factions within the world power structure. For those of you unfamiliar with this, below is a brief synopsis followed by an analysis. G. Russbacher, "the October Surprise Pilot", Templar, Austrian Royal, godson of Kurt Waldheim-- his ex-wife Rayelan--assert the following based on bona fide sources in places of power: The world intelligence community is fragmented along three lines: * Those working for the goal of a monolithic, top-down "New World Order"; an end to personal national sovereignty, with central global institutions under elite control (Faction 1) * Those working for a return to Constitutional rule in the U.S., and a return to a form of "constitutional monarchy" throughout Europe: originally/mainly continental European royals and nobles, their leadership now hides within U.S. Naval Intelligence. (Faction 2) * Rogue agents who follow their own inner voice, and who now apparently have control of the funding of all black budget projects world wide--and are therefore able to force desired compromises between the other two factions. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Eastern Europe -- Solar Peak or Weather War?
-Caveat Lector- Weather Wreaks Havoc in Europe By MIHAELA ARMASELU .c The Associated Press BUCHAREST, Romania (AP) - Intense rain and a heat wave swept across central and eastern Europe over the weekend, killing more than a dozen people, flooding farms and blocking rail and road links. In Romania, 10 people died in flooding or drowned in rivers while seeking respite from temperatures as high as 104 degrees. A 40-year-old Romanian man died in the Siret River in western Romania after diving into the surging waters to save his two daughters, who also drowned. Hailstones, some as big as eggs, tore down electricity lines, cutting power to 26 villages near the Yugoslav border, the state news agency Rompres said. The hailstorm killed hundreds of farm animals and destroyed dozens of cars and roofs, the private Mediafax agency said. In the Yugoslav republic of Serbia, two days of rain and flooding left at least one person dead and a dozen missing. Rail lines and roads were flooded, and parts of Belgrade, the capital, were without power and drinking water over the weekend. A sudden deluge in eastern Hungary swept away four bridges, killing two men, the state-run news agency MTI reported Sunday. Rail traffic was disrupted at several points and there was one report of a train derailing. No injuries were reported. Northwestern Hungary was also hard hit. Thirty houses were submerged in Komarom, a large industrial town 50 miles east of Budapest, and more than a hundred houses were flooded in a nearby town. Thirty vacationing children had to be rescued from their tents when floods swamped a campsite in the area. Television stations broadcast scenes of weeping peasants, who had lost their homes and livestock in the flooding. Police, firefighters and soldiers have been working around the clock during the weekend to pump water from basements and rescue children and elderly people. Officials evacuated 200 people from the Tyrol region of western Austria because of the threat of mudslides. Dozens of people died in the area after a series of snow avalanches earlier this year. Storms also swept through the Czech Republic. Strong winds in the south and east of the country toppled trees and left hundreds of people without power on Saturday. Vineyards were flooded in Slovakia in two towns not far from Bratislava, the country's capital. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYC Blackout Targeted Poor Blacks
-Caveat Lector- "Fallout from the 19-hour blackout is likely to include investigations and lawsuits based on the residents' belief that electricity in one of the city's poorest areas was shut off so the rest of the city could remain in light. "``You'll never be able to convince anyone that it was a random event,'' said a state senator who represents parts of the area. ``They think it was very deliberate -- and they think it was a way to handle a problem, at our expense.' '' In case of energy and water shortages and the rationing of other limited resources, will the Powers That Be decide who'll get essential services along class or race lines? Cause of NYC Blackout Still Unclear By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS .c The Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) - Fifteen hours into a blackout that cut power to some 300,000 people during a scorching heat wave, the president of the utility company responsible for providing the electricity walked around the neighborhood trying to answer questions. The head of Consolidated Edison, J. Michael Evans, apologized to people - many of whom sat wearily outside in 94-degree heat to avoid even hotter apartments that had started to smell of rotting eggs and spoiling meat. But Evans had few answers about why predominantly poor, densely packed Washington Heights in Manhattan had no power while most of the city had no noticeable energy problems. Several days after the July 6 power failure, Con Ed can explain the series of events that led to the breakdown - feeder cables failed in the area after a surge in use. But it still doesn't know why it happened. Fallout from the 19-hour blackout is likely to include investigations, lawsuits and the residents' belief that electricity in one of the city's poorest areas was shut off so the rest of the city could remain in light. ``You'll never be able to convince anybody that it was a random event,'' said David Paterson, a state senator who represents parts of the area. ``They think it was very deliberate and they think it was a chosen way to handle the problem at our expense.'' Con Ed, which plans to spend $14 million on transmission and distribution infrastructure this year, said they have already appointed a team of experts to figure out why the feeder cables failed in some places but not others. ``Believe me,'' said Con Ed spokesman Joe Petta. ``We want the answers as much, if not more, than anyone else.'' Mayor Rudolph Giuliani chalks it up to human failure. ``Last night was not a natural disaster,'' the mayor said on the morning after. ``Last night was a man-made disaster.'' Giuliani and City Council Speaker Peter Vallone have demanded investigations and both the city and state governments have scheduled hearings on the issue this week. Giuliani has also promised a city lawsuit against Con Ed to recoup $1.5 million in overtime for police maintaining order, as well as an undetermined amount for response to emergency medical calls related to the power failure. City lawyers are also considering suing Con Ed for consumer fraud - not delivering promised goods. A class action lawsuit and a federal civil rights complaint on behalf of consumers are also likely. One resident has already filed a lawsuit, alleging the company was negligent in preparing itself for a predicted heat wave. Con Ed, however, says the lights went out in Washington Heights and neighboring Inwood simply because that's where the power system failed, though they still don't know why. The state Public Service Commission said Con Ed is one of the most reliable providers in the industry, averaging fewer power failures than any other electric provider in the state, said spokesman David Flanagan. The blackout caused no fatalities, but the heat wave that prompted it led to at least 28 deaths, according to the city's medical examiner. The power failure also ruined heat-sensitive medical research on AIDS and Alzheimer's disease being conducted at the area's largest hospital, Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center. The hospital says the damage is likely to cost $20 million. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to
[CTRL] Range of N. Korean Missiles: CALIFORNIA
-Caveat Lector- "US officials have detected signs that North Korea is preparing to test-fire a missile, which may be able to reach as far as the west coast of the United States ...". Nostradamus: "Seventh month, 1999, From the skies comes a great king of terror." Missiles in N.Korea Make Asia Tense By THOMAS WAGNER .c The Associated Press TOKYO (AP) - Given how isolated and secretive North Korea is, it's never really possible to know what motivates its communist government, especially when it plays brinkmanship. But whatever North Korea hoped to achieve by stepping up its missile program, it has put China, its main ally, in a difficult diplomatic position and motivated East Asia and the United States to step up their military readiness. It all began last August, when North Korea surprised everyone by suddenly test-firing a new class of ballistic missile that flew across Japan and landed in the Pacific Ocean. The Taepodong-1 missile is believed to be fairly inaccurate, and therefore not all that effective militarily. But the possibility of one hitting a city in Japan sent shockwaves through the country. The test also helped Japanese legislators adopt new defense guidelines to strengthen Tokyo's military alliance with the United States by expanding the role that Japanese forces are allowed to play while assisting U.S. forces in Asia. It was the first time the guidelines had been updated since 1978, something that is never easy to do in Japan, where military issues have been extremely sensitive since World War II. Besides the 50,000 U.S. forces based in Japan, the United States also guards the region with 36,000 in South Korea. In Washington, U.S. legislators quickly began using charts showing that Alaska and Hawaii could fall within range of North Korea's Taepodong-1 missile. And that information helped them build the support they needed to pass legislation approving the development of a new American missile defense system. Japan and the United States also agreed to fund a joint research project on a proposed Theater Missile Defense system in the Pacific. Taiwan said it would be interested in either buying or getting protection from such a missile defense shield. The whole plan has drawn bitter criticism from China. If North Korea had then redirected the world's attention away from its fledgling missile program and back toward its battered economy and famine, it probably could have quickly reduced tensions in the region. Pyongyang may even have persuaded Japan to resume food aid that it suspended after the first missile test. But since then, North Korea has indicated that it may be about to test-fire a more advanced Taepodong-2 missile, which might be able to reach as far as the west coast of the United States. U.S. and Japanese officials have said their forces have detected signs that North Korea is preparing for such a launch. On July 2, South Korean President Kim Dae-jung visited Washington to meet with President Clinton to discuss this and other issues. The two warned North Korea that any further missile tests on its part would pose ``a serious obstacle to peace.'' In late June, the Group of Eight issued a similar statement during its summit meeting in Germany, expressing deep concern about North Korea's missile proliferation. The G-8 leaders did so at the request of Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi, the only Asian country that belongs to the group of industrial powers. North Korea replied by saying once again that testing ballistic missiles is its ``sovereign right'' and criticized the United States for suggesting that another launch would threaten its bilateral agreements with Pyongyang. Worse still, President Kim's spokesman said on Wednesday that North Korea is building what appears to be a missile-launching base in the mountainous area of Yongjudon near the Chinese border. A South Korean newspaper said the site would be difficult for U.S. forces to attack because it's so close to Chinese territory. In addition to prompting countries such as South Korea and Taiwan to call for improvements in their own militaries - such as longer-range missiles and better missile defense systems - North Korea's behavior also has put China in a difficult position. China is North Korea's only remaining ally in Asia, even though Beijing long ago dropped many of the closed-market, hard-line communist policies that Pyongyang still clings to. Since President Kim was elected 17 months ago, Beijing has publicly supported U.S. and South Korean efforts to expand peaceful contacts with North Korea. China has backed Kim's ``sunshine policy'' of social and economic engagement with North Korea and allowed peace talks between North and South Korea to be held in Beijing. But that was before NATO jets mistakenly bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade during the fighting in Yugoslavia. That, and the Chinese spy scandal in the United States, have strained relations
[CTRL] Kissinger: Threat of a New Nazi Russia
-Caveat Lector- "Famous for improving relations with Russia, Kissinger said there is a danger in today's Russia of communists and nationalists joining forces to oppose the United States. '`I think the war in Kosovo contributes to this,'' he said. ``There is a danger of something similar to Germany's National Socialism arising in Russia.'' Kissinger Looks at Events He Shaped By CHRIS TOMLINSON .c The Associated Press Associated Press Writers NEW YORK (AP) - Sitting in his 26th-floor Park Avenue office, against a backdrop of photos of himself with many of the 20th century's most influential people, Henry Kissinger looks out at a world drastically different from the one he shaped as America's top diplomat. ``There is no recollection of what the Cold War was like,'' Kissinger said. ``I keep hearing about how tough foreign policy is now, but (in 1969) we had a thermonuclear adversary with 15,000 nuclear weapons. When we came into office - the administration under which I served - there were 400 dead a week'' in Vietnam. ``Now when we have one dead, or there is one prisoner taken, we have a national emotional breakdown,'' he added in an interview with The Associated Press. Whether it is U.S. relations with China and Russia, the peace process in the Middle East, ethnic conflict in Africa and southeastern Europe, or human rights abuses in Chile, Kissinger had a hand in all of it a quarter century ago. In his third and final volume of memoirs, ``Years of Renewal,'' Kissinger aims to remind the world of the role he played in 1973-76 as secretary of state for Presidents Nixon and Ford and of the context in which he made decisions that still reverberate today. Where U.S. policy was successful, Kissinger gives credit to Ford and himself. Where the administration failed, he blames the Democrat-controlled Congress or other outside forces. In the book, Kissinger candidly assesses world leaders - Nixon (flawed), Ford (authentic), Mao Tse-tung (determined), Leonid Brezhnev (envious), Yitzhak Rabin (wise), Augusto Pinochet (necessary), Mobutu Sese Seko (ostentatious). And he gives an insider's view of detente with Russia, expanded relations with China, shuttle diplomacy in the Middle East, the division of Cyprus and civil war in Angola. Many of these issues remain major challenges for President Clinton and his administration. The question of relations with China has been heated up by claims its agents stole U.S. nuclear secrets, but China is now a major American trading partner. Such things must be kept in perspective, Kissinger said. ``When you are the world's most advanced technologically, you are expected to be spied on,'' he said. ``The fundamental issue, whether we want to stop China from becoming a strong power, we don't admit to ourselves. On this we need to debate because if we go down that road, you are in an endless confrontation.'' On Chile, Kissinger denies allegations the United States was behind Pinochet's 1973 coup and says that while he welcomed the overthrow of Salvador Allende's Marxist government, he told Pinochet the general's record on human rights complicated relations with the United States. Kissinger declined to comment on Spain's criminal torture charges against the former Chilean dictator, who is currently under arrest in London fighting extradition. ``But I do think the procedure, where a magistrate in one country - where the alleged crimes did not occur - can issue an arrest warrant for a former leader of a country elsewhere and that they then become criminalized through the extradition procedure is extremely dangerous,'' Kissinger said. ``No senior American official would be safe if this became an accepted practice, because anybody can be accused of something.'' Nixon first appointed Kissinger to be his national security adviser in 1969 and then promoted him to secretary of state in September 1973. Kissinger remained in that post after Nixon resigned and served under Ford until President Carter took office in early 1977. A refugee from Nazi Germany, Kissinger taught political science and international affairs at Harvard University before entering public life and now runs an international consulting firm, Kissinger Associates. The bookshelves in his office sag under the weight of thick autobiographies, many written by his contemporaries. Kissinger himself has been prolific - his two previous 1,000-page memoir volumes, ``The White House Years'' and ``Years of Upheaval,'' put his combined autobiography at more than 3,000 pages, or more than a page for every day in office. He still carefully observes U.S. foreign policy and sees some parallels between the Vietnam War and the Kosovo crisis. ``The similarity is in the sense that the Kennedy and Johnson administrations went into Vietnam thinking that they could win with technological superiority, not assessing the element of endurance, and this is clearly true in Kosovo and the Balkans,'' he said. ``If you use
[CTRL] Nazi Moon Bases (http://www.aliensaliensaliens.com/cgi-bin/render_article.pl?ar
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[CTRL] Belgian King Ennobles Financiers
-Caveat Lector- from alt.talk.royalty Subject: New nobles in Belgium From: "Stéphane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 July 1999 10:25 AM EDT Message-id: 7m7l22$svf$[EMAIL PROTECTED] As He does each year a few days before the Belgian National Day (21st of July), the King ennobled a few Belgian personnalities by Royal Decrees. Here's the text of the new "Faveurs nobiliaires" published yesterday by the Moniteur Belge (9/7/99) : "MINISTERE DES AFFAIRES ETRANGERES, DU COMMERCE EXTERIEUR ET DE LA COOPERATION AU DEVELOPPEMENT Faveurs nobiliaires Par arrêtés royaux du 26 avril 1999 les faveurs nobiliaires suivantes sont accordées : - concession du titre personnel de vicomte à M. Alphonse Verplaetse; - concession du titre personnel de baronne à Mmes Alys Clark, épouse de M. Francis Cattoir, et Eva Gerretsen, veuve de M. August Bal; - concession du titre personnel de baron au chevalier Robert Stouthuysen et à MM. Karel Boone, Paul Levy, Alain Philippson, Marc Servotte et Robert Tollet; - concession du titre personnel de chevalier à MM. Georges Baines et Raoul Debroeyer alias Royer." Source : http://moniteur.be/doc/rech_f.htm. Then introduce "faveurs nobiliaires" in 'Mots du texte'. As you can read, there are 10 ennoblements and a promotion in the noble hierarchy from Knight to Baron. All this titles are ad personam. So the title won't be transmitted to the heirs, but the nobility will well be transmitted to their lineage. The Viscount Alphone Verplaetse is the former Gouvernor of the Belgian National Bank, who applied a monetary policy which led Belgium in the group of Euro-Countries. The Baroness Alys Clark was responsible of social activities of the Belgian Red Cross between 1945 and 1962. Then, she founded "l'Association pour le Volontariat", of which she had been the president for about 20 years. The Baroness Eva Gerretsen founded the Speeltheater, a theater school for young people. The Baron Robert Stouthuysen, former Knight, is the boss of big Flemish enterprises (Janssen Pharmaceutica and Regionale Uitgevermaatschappij) The Baron Karel Boonen is the former President of the F.E.B (Fédération des Entreprises de Belgique, otherwise the trade-union of the compagnies in Belgium) and is the C.E.O. of Corona-Lotus. The Baron Paul Levy is a former great resistant to the Nazis for WW II. It was one of the Belgian voices who spoke on the BBC radio from London. The Baron Alain Philippson is a banker (Banque Degroof) and is at the head of philantropical associations. The Baron Marc Servotte is the former Directeur-Général of the O.B.C.E. (Office Belge du Commerce Extérieur), which promotes Belgian exports. When the King Albert II was still the Prince of Liège, he was the Président d'Honneur of the O.B.C.E. and had many contacts with the Baron Servotte, with whom he prepared missions abroad to promote Belgian exports. The Prince Philippe of Belgium, Duke of Brabant, is now the Président d'Honneur of the O.B.C.E. The Baron Robert Tollet is Président du Conseil Central de l'Economie (a political organ which analyses the evolution of the Belgian economy. He 's also the Président of the Conseil d'Administration de l'U.L.B. (the Brussels French-speaking University). The Knight Georges Baines is an well-known architect. The Knight Raoul Debroeyer, alias Royer, is a well-known caricaturist in the paper "Le Soir". Stéphane. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Monarchy in America
-Caveat Lector- From alt.talk.royalty A diatribe against Republics as illegitimate oligarchies ... "Republics have no natural conception of limits, other than those limits defined by defeat in war. Monarchical states, on the other hand, were usually a product of natural evolutionary processes, such as union in marriage between royal [bloodlines]." Subject: THE FUTURE OF MONARCHY IN AMERICA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Director) Date: Sat, 10 July 1999 12:11 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Future of Monarchy in America Republicanism is an aggressive, war-based expansionist force, yet most modern people have been raised with the myth that republics are liberal, that they are progressive, and that they are the form of government of the future. This is all false. Because monarchies and royalism were formed naturally over thousands of years, the institutions of royalism were susceptible to the methods of the republicans, which were always aggressive and fundamentally organized around coercion. The adherents of republicanism were, from the beginning, willing to break laws and usurp authority, and force those who did not agree with them to comply with the changes they forced upon the society. The fall of every monarchy has been by acts of coercion and fraud. In the U.S., George III was blamed for everything bad under the sun. Even so, the majority of the people still supported the established government until well after the beginning of the War for Independence. In an early version of Crystal Night, on July 4th, 1777, the supporters of the Revolution went about Boston smashing the windows of those Americans who were still loyal to the legal government of the king. The instigators of the Revolution in America realized that the majority of legislators still supported the kings lawful government, so they excluded them illegally to create what history politely refers to as "rump" legislatures. It was these purged assemblies that "enacted" the early statutes of the colonies when they turned independent, just as happened during the Civil War in England, when Oliver Cromwell took over the government and set the first precedent for republican government in the Anglo-American world. The dictatorship of Cromwell, legitimized as the Commonwealth and later the Protectorate, were the models for the later Presidency of the United States. American republicanism has always been driven by expansionist war-motives. Not only to satisfy the lust for land that dominated Europeans, but to keep a massive population of slaves and servants in check. The first expansionist drive of the new republic expressed itself when the republic "purchased" the Ohio Valley from France, without any regard for the native nations that occupied it. All the Federal Govt. could buy was the rights of European states, based upon conquest. Then it had to militarily occupy that land, effectively disregarding the native claims to that land. This obviously led the U.S. republic into countless Indian Wars, which only became more intense as the republic expanded westward. The Mexican American War is represented as almost a bloodless war, when in fact it was violently resisted, because it constituted the invasion and conquest of Mexico. The debate raged in Congress as to whether or not the U.S. should annex the whole of Mexico, but in the end the expansionists chose only to take the top third of Mexico, which was accompanied by terrible resistance when the U.S. Army invaded what is now New Mexico. Furthermore, when General Fremonts army made it to Monterey the capital of Mexican California it was at his urging that a group of drunks broke into the Mexican Governors residence and held him hostage, while getting even more drunk after stealing his liquor. It was this group of drunk miners that declared the formation of the so-called Bear Republic, which Fremont recognized, which became the basis of the modern state of California. The conquest of California is often represented as a bloodless event, but in reality there were many bloody battles, such as in New Mexico, and around Escondido, and Mexico City; when President Santa Ana fled the capital of Mexico, the Mexican state in effect collapsed, and no Mexican nationalist could be found willing to cede away a third of the nations land. Thus the United States had to prop up willing Mexicans as a new state, willing to cede away land, just as it later did when the Federal Government clandestinely engineered the breaking away of the northern provinces of Colombia, to become the state of Panama. This became the hallmark of colonialism under the republican system. No longer did the dominant state have to control the submissive state as a colony; under the republicanism of the United States, satellite states were devised which could be controlled internally through treaties and financial agreements, while externally the satellite state appeared for all the world to see,
[CTRL] Psychopolitics of Phantom Menace
-Caveat Lector- from alt.talk.royalty Subject: George Lucas and Royalty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Louis Epstein) Date: Thu, 08 July 1999 07:39 PM EDT Message-id: qEah3.18928$[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Star Wars movies have a rather ambivalent attitude toward royalty. On the one hand,republican rebels against an empire are presented as good; on the other,the sympathetic characters include royalty. The latest offering has a character who is supposedly ELECTED "Queen" of a planet at the age of fourteen,and previously "Princess" of a city at twelve,despite humble village origins. The concept is rather fantastical...and I wonder if it's meant more as a wish-fulfillment role model for juvenile audience members than anything else.(Though why not have her be president?) Without heredity playing a role,what society of adults would defer to a child as head of state? Subject: Re: George Lucas and Royalty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jfohne) Date: Sat, 10 July 1999 10:08 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: George Lucas and Royalty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RCLOVELY) This is a movie script and is ment for entertainment. Besides that, it is in a "galexy far away" I must disagree. Louis has an understanding more so in agreement with my own opinion. Simply, for centuries Liturgical actions has always been used as a vehicle to teach that particular faith, whereas entertainment has been the vehicle used by secular types to preach their own type of vision. Entertainment throughout the centuries has been a means of teaching, even dare say so brainwashing the people to agree with the writers and producers of such events. ... To me the whole Star Wars saga is providing a fantasy justification for revolutionaries and anti-monarchists. So much of it seems to say we don't mind kings and queens, if they are totally obedient to the every whim of the people. Which of course is democracy with a slightly different face. Also, he implies heavily if the people don't select you, it is because you have ruthlessly climbed the ladder and must be a dictator. Which is quite the opposite of how so much of European royalty have obtained and kept their thrones for so many centuries. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The big screen and the Big Picture
-Caveat Lector- Previous Thread: Re: [CTRL] Psychopolitics of "Phantom Menace" In a message dated 99-07-12 06:52:22 EDT, DasGOAT writes: entertainment has been the vehicle used by secular types to preach their own type of vision. Agreed The big screen is used to enlighten us to their version of "the Big Picture". The small screen serves the same purpose: TELL-A-VISION :::turns T.V. back on::: Tsadowq DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jesus is Fiction?
-Caveat Lector- There remains, today, in the British Museum a letter written from Pontius Pilate to Caesar, in which, Pontius tells of his amazing face to face confrontation with Jesus of NazarethAFTER the crucifixion. There is a thread about this letter on another list I'm on, [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the letter, Pilate claims Jesus is Aryan. There is debate about the validity of the document. Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: THE SCOOP: When Money Talks
The Scoop - http://www.bobharris.com/ Hi everybody. Sorry about the disappearing act. I wasnt kidnapped, nor am I dead. Thanks to those of you who asked. Just some personal crap to deal with. I deeply appreciate the many messages of encouragement that some of you guys have sent over the last few weeks. The columns should be a little more human-sized from here on, by the way. To new subscribers: thanks for joining up. Yes, the column really is free, and you're encouraged to forward it to friends. That's how our readership grows. bh THE SCOOP for July 12, 1999 ___ Granny D: When Money Talks, The People Must Walk Also: Prince Charless Genetic Concern, and Hillarys Famous Run © 1999 Bob Harris http://www.bobharris.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For too many of us democracy works like this: we watch on TV as sons and wives of famous men and various similarly-qualified folk raise tens of millions of dollars, call themselves leaders, and then ask you to send them to Washington, all so they can allegedly change things on your behalf. (And the media wonders why most people dont even bother to vote.) One 89-year old woman has decided it's a lot simpler just to go to Washington herself. On foot. So here's an update on the travels of Doris Haddock -- better known as Granny D -- the great-grandmother who is currently walking all the way from Los Angeles to Washington in an attempt to focus Americas attention on how we've allowed our political system to become essentially an auction, in which offices -- and, therefore, policies -- are merely sold to the highest bidder. And Granny D has a point. FEC records, analyzed by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, show that in federal elections, the candidate with the most cash wins over 90 percent of the time. And in the wide majority of cases, the winning candidate has over ten times as much money as the closest competitor. Most Harlem Globetrotter games are more legitimate contests. And recent data shows that the situation is getting a lot worse, really fast. Fundraising for the 2000 congressional elections is running at more than twice the fever pitch of the last election cycle, which itself was a similar record advance in the pocket-lining arts. Merely to serve in what we laughing call the Peoples House, pretty much any serious candidate now needs to raise five figures of cash, every single day. The White House auction is even worse: George W. Bush has announced he already has over $36 million ready to spend. So bingo. Hes the prohibitive favorite. Among Democrats, the near-total reluctance to oppose Gore is the direct result of the VPs formidable fundraising power. Which means that the nominations for the next election are essentially locked up -- and the first vote in the first primary wont even be cast for six more months. Hell, why not just put White House up on eBay? "One Oval Office. Some moisture damage. Bidding closes November 2000." But as I write this, Granny D has almost finished walking across Texas, which takes even longer than sitting through an Angels doubleheader. She's getting more attention and support as she goes. Shes also getting a dismaying amount of hate mail, to which she responds with elegant good cheer that makes me smile and take heart. Check out her website, http://www.grannyd.com, and then have a look at the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill, which is the main thing shes trying to promote with her walk. The McCain-Feingold bill (along with its House companion, known as the Shays-Meehan bill) is hardly a panacea. Lots of reforms are probably necessary, and which ones will work best is a legitimate ongoing discussion. Returning the peoples voice to the peoples house could take perhaps a generation. Which might seem like a long time, but its not: Granny D has already lived through several. You think change isnt possible? Women didnt get to vote at all in this country until 1920 -- which Ms. Haddock remembers herself, since she was ten years old at the time. And if we do ever get an electoral system based less on publicity and more on the public good, Id vote for Granny D herself. Her love for this country is a true inspiration. And by 2004, shell be tanned, rested, ready... and only 94 years old. ___ If you think you're a vegetarian, guess again. Unless you eat nothing but certified organic food (in which case youre not likely to be reading this online column right now; instead, youre probably doing Kundalini yoga, raking compost, and hassling some Japanese whaling ship, or possibly all three), chances are you're already consuming at least some genetically modified food, more popularly known as FrankenFood. FrankenFood is the result of new advances in biotechnology -- allowing scientists to splice genes from one species into the DNA of another -- applied by agribusiness to our favorite foods. Imagine
Re: [CTRL] Monarchy in America
-Caveat Lector- Whoa-dee-doe What a piece of meme prop poop. That ain't no one man staff rant. That is a piece of polished warfare. MHO. Thanks Goat. Jesus in the sky with aliens. Here come da king and all his horses and all his men to intermediate/intercede. God[s](aliens)-impanation's earthly representative(Da Blueblood) imperials. What a farce! Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The big screen and the Big Picture
-Caveat Lector- Video = to see God Om K In a message dated 7/12/99 3:32:13 AM, you wrote: In a message dated 99-07-12 06:52:22 EDT, DasGOAT writes: entertainment has been the vehicle used by secular types to preach their own type of vision. Agreed The big screen is used to enlighten us to their version of "the Big Picture". The small screen serves the same purpose: TELL-A-VISION :::turns T.V. back on::: Tsadowq DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jesus is Fiction?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/99 3:36:04 AM, you wrote: There is debate about the validity of the document. There is no debate. It is a fraud. Myself I believe that there was a nazarite named 'Jesus' and that intelligence is ordered/chaos perspectively porportioned. And Time moves on . . . Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Just What Is a War Criminal?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.insightmag.com/articles/story2.html A HREF="http://www.insightmag.com/articles/story2.html"Insight Magazine/A - Vol. 15, No. 28 -- August 2, 1999 Published Date July 9, 1999, in Washington, D.C. www.insightmag.com Just What Is a War Criminal? By James P. Lucier Jerome Zeifman, former Watergate committee counsel, has filed charges before the International Criminal Tribunal that threaten Bill Clinton with a war-crimes indictment. e have achieved a victory for a safer world, for our democratic values and for a stronger America Unnecessary conflict has been brought to a just and honorable conclusion," said President Clinton in his address from the Oval Office on June 10. . . . . Victory? "The decision to attack Yugoslavia [was] counterproductive, and our destruction of civilian life [is] senseless and excessively brutal," wrote former President Jimmy Carter in a New York Times op-ed article on May 27. . . . . "The proposed deployment to Kosovo does not deal with any threat to American security as traditionally conceived," former secretary of state Henry Kissinger wrote in the Washington Post on Feb. 22, a month before the bombing campaign was unleashed. . . . . There is a pattern here, and it is creating concern on both left and right. "The armed forces of the United States have participated in nondefensive, aggressive military attacks on former Yugoslavia, which have not been necessary to defend the national security of the United States," writes Jerome Zeifman, former chief counsel for the House Watergate committee, in allegations seeking the indictment of Clinton and Secretary of Defense William Cohen for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity. These formal legal documents have been submitted to the [U.N.-established] International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, or ICTY, at The Hague. . . . . Obtained exclusively by Insight the proposed indictment has been transmitted to the ICTY on behalf of a new organization, the International Ethical Alliance, or IEA. Tom Warrick, deputy to the ambassador-at-large in the Office of War Crimes Issues of the Department of State, said after seeing a copy of the papers, "We think this is ridiculous. U.S. and NATO forces incorporated the laws of armed conflict in planning and carrying out their operations in Kosovo." . . . . Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat whose meticulous preparation of the case against Richard Nixon forced the Republican president out of the White House, is serious. And it raises concerns that, in an age of internationalism and depreciated national sovereignty, the president of the United States as well as the defense secretary could be placed in the same defendant's box as Slobodan Milosevic, the indicted Yugoslavian war criminal. . . . . Zeifman tells Insight the proposed indictment specifically incorporates all the charges of war crimes already pending against Milosevic and his henchmen and supplements them with the charges against Clinton and Cohen. Since the "aggressive military attacks" against Serbia and Kosovo were not necessary to defend the United States, the proposal argues, they fall under the category of "nondefensive aggressive wars" as defined and prohibited in the charter of the Nuremberg tribunal in 1945 and since included in the 1947 U.N. Charter and subsequent Geneva conventions on the treatment of civilians during wartime. . . . . In particular, the proposed indictment cites "War Crimes: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war [including] murder, ill-treatment . . . of civilian population, ... wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity. Crimes against Humanity: namely, murder ... and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war." . . . . Zeifman anticipates that Carter would be called as a witness -- as well as Walter Rockler, a former Nuremberg prosecutor for the United States -- and notes that Carter charged in May that the United States had launched 14,000 missiles and bombs, 4,000 of which were not precision-guided. These included cluster bombs "that have resulted in damage to hospitals, offices and residences of ambassadors, and the senseless and brutal killing of innocent civilians and conscripted troops." . . . . Zeifman's case also takes another tack: He calls upon Justice Louise Arbour, a Canadian, to step down from the case, since she has a conflict of interest by coming from a NATO nation. Indeed, the salaries of the 14 justices on the court, including five from NATO members, are paid in part by NATO countries. The chief justice, Gabrielle Kirk McDonald, is from the United States. Zeifman tells Insight that you can't have even the appearance of impartiality if justices from NATO nations are allowed to handle the
[CTRL] Parenting and Freedom
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.28/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.28/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 28 /A - Laissez Faire City Times July 12, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 28 Editor Chief: Emile Zola Parenting and Freedom by Don Lobo Tiggre I love talking to people about the freedom philosophy, but it has its challenges. Those who are just discovering it are so excited, the whole world seems like a more wonderful place, brimming with possibilities. In contrast, seasoned conservatives, who often understand the economic aspects of the freedom philosophy, have a depressingly grim outlook. Seasoned (so-called) liberals, who often understand the personal aspects of the freedom philosophy, have a depressingly hysterical outlook. Even libertarians, who often understand both the economic and the personal aspects of the freedom philosophy, often have a depressingly hopeless outlook. Its like pulling teeth trying to convince many "seasoned" political observers that they arein factfree and that they can exercise their freedom. Convincing them that a stable and free society is possible and perhaps even likely is harder than trying to talk a traffic cop out of a ticket. So, Ive come up with one thing I can suggest to even the most cynical people that is guaranteed to make the world a better place. It is this: teach your children freedom. More specifically: teach your children that they are free, and that no one has a right to hurt them, control them, or to take that which is theirs. Help them to grow up to be healthy individuals, self-aware of their free nature. A free society is composed of free individuals; the former cannot come into being without the latter. If you don't have children, this idea can be applied to nieces, nephews, students, and even employees; anyone to whom you become a mentor. Teaching Slaves is Harder Almost everything in the news, politically-oriented web sites, and other sources of political thought pertains to adults. The thing about trying to teach the freedom philosophy to adults is that most of them have already accepted their serfdom. It is much easier to help children keep the sense of freedom and excitement they all seem born with, than to try to convince most adults that the eternal slave-like existence they have accepted is an illusion. Having been a single parent of three rambunctious boys, I know how very challenging a thing it is that I am urging here. Children who are aware that, being human, they have rights can be a total pain in the ass. Completely inconvenient. Impossible to get in the ^@%#@#!!! car when its time to go. Believe me, I know. However, compared to my sons well-being, my convenience is a very small concern. I am not saying that this is easy, just easier than trying to re-educate adults. It always amazes me that a parent who will stand in the rain for days collecting signatures for a ballot initiative (because, say, their freedom has been infringed by a government that claims to know what is best for them) will turn around and force their children to eat spinach because "its good for them." Huh? Does anyone else see the contradiction here? I am totally unimpressed by claims about kids being different and therefore needing to be coerced. Of course they are different. But, they are not that different. To paraphrase Dr. Seuss: a person is still a person, no matter how small. If human rights exist at all, then surely children must have them too. I do not use force as a parenting tool. I dont force my children to do anything, not even to eat or go to school. I try very hard to reason with my sons, to give them reasons for cooperating with me, and because I have allowed their experience to show that I am usually right. Perhaps this is why they choose to negotiate instead of fight and they choose to go to school while I go to work. When I say such things, many parents recoil in horror. Their many protestations usually boil down to two errors: they think I let my boys run our house (which would lead to chaos!) and they think that children will not "do the right thing" in most cases (unless compelled to do so by a central authority). The uncanny resemblance these arguments bear to the excuses of statist apologists is horrifying. Property Rights To the first I answer that my house is my property. I bought it, and everyone who lives here knows it. The significance of this may not be immediately apparent, but you have to understand that my boys understand the notion of private property. Their entire lives have been spent in an environment wherein everyones property was respected, including their own. Yes, I even let them do things I consider "bad," like destroying a brand new toy, if such is their choice. So, when I say that because I dont want food smashed on the living room carpet (and remind them about germs), and
[CTRL] Political and Media Utopianism
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.28/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.28/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 28 /A - Laissez Faire City Times July 12, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 28 Editor Chief: Emile Zola Political and Media Utopianism by Tibor R. Machan Youve probably heard the saying, "The perfect is the enemy is the good." This is the curse of utopianism or idealism whereby folks arent looking for what works best, what produces the greatest possible good, but for what would solve everything, maybe even forever. Consider, as an example, President Clinton cruising the country to whip up support for his party. In the course of his travels he admonishes us in his various speeches to support his plans to make sure that every poor person necessarily benefits from American productivity. He is thus buying into this kind of utopian thinking. OK, he is a politician and perhaps by now it is common for such folks to deploy hyperbole instead of good sense. But must members of the media become complicit? Much of TV News appears to agree. In a recent report on competition among HMOs, broadcast on a major networks evening news program, we were asked, would the process benefit everyone? Would all of those concerned get good medical coverage? "Perfect" Aint Perfect No, nothing is going to work out for everyone all of the time. Rarely if ever can a process such as economic competition benefit everyone equally well. Competition is "only" the best way to produce results in the production and distribution of goods and services in a community. But those who seek control of community affairs are never satisfied with what is best. They are likely, instead, to hold out the promise of the perfect solution. Now there is one pretty certain thing about such an alternative: it will wreak havoc with the production and distribution of goods and services. Why? Because the folks in control simply cannot know what works best for those who seek those goods and services. This is the great insight of such classical liberal economists as Ludwig von Mises and Frederick A. von Hayek. They spent a great portion of their careers examining the feasibility of the planned economy in general. Their finding was decisive: the knowledge needed to produce and distribute goods and services simply cannot be obtained by those at the top -- that is, in government bureaucracies. We might add to this that neither could they secure the widespread initiative or practical effort to achieve this g oal, given that government initiatives are very often firmly resisted by a large segment of the population. (This is one reason there are so many lawyers employed in highly paid jobs!) Only if the free market is at work, wherein millions and millions of consumers and producers communicate with each other by means of millions and millions of particular transactions will the knowledge needed to secure the best results be put to effective use. The people in the market are best qualified to know what serves their wants and needs. When you go shopping for anything at all, be it something essential or trivial, you have the best chance at recording your wants and your budgetary limits and those with whom you do the trading can, thus, make use of this information. That information will help the millions of decisions that are made all the way through the complex productive processes of the community. If, however, we leave it to Mr. Clinton and his army of bureaucrats, the process will be seriously corrupted. Others who arent close to your situation will be making decisions that bear on your life. Sure, now and then they may hit the mark. And if they want your support in elections, they may make use of your wish list and deliver to you what you want. But this will be at the expense of others who must pay for it by having legally to comply with extensive regulations, price supports, protectionism, taxes, and so forth. Imagination One problem is that we can always imagine perfect solutions. Imagination works well in art, where the objective is to sketch a vision, a happy ending. Art leaves out most of the details -- sort of like the artists rendition of a new building which then engineers must make actual. And soon that artists rendition will be filled in with a great deal that is quite good but also not quite what the imagination constructed. We can also imagine an economy that lacks any poverty at all. Loosely, yes, we can imagine it. But in reality this image is a falsehood. It does not figure in the millions who may not want to work at the job that, under the realities of the economy, is best for them. They hold out for their dream jobs. They prefer some other course than the one that gains them the best living, given what others would like to have produced for them. The job security that is the dream of everyone simply cannot be
[CTRL] The End of Canada?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.28/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.28/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 28 /A - Laissez Faire City Times July 12, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 28 Editor Chief: Emile Zola The End of Canada? by Peter Topolewski Each July 1 Canadians celebrate the countrys birthday. For 1999 Prime Minister Jean Chretien approached the festivities by convening a retreat for his cabinet in the last days of June. As the 2-day retreat neared, the media speculated on the PMs ambition and political duration. Then his office released the meeting agenda, revealing that the Cabinet was going to evaluate Canada-US relations, and suddenly the fortune tellers and doomsayers really got busy. That Canada-US relations should be on the table for Canadas top policy makers should hardly be a surprise, and more likely a given. Canada and the US are each others largest trading partners, spending one billion dollars a day exchanging one anothers goods. Around 85 percent of Canadas trade is with America, and the dollar figures have grown since the two have relaxed trade barriers over the last 15 years. Still, in spite of these free trade agreements, disputes have arisen, most recently over softwood lumber, magazines, salmon, cattle, and pork. And so Prime Minister Chretiens Cabinet retreat seemed destined to look at how relations with the US have improved, and what areas still need attention. Instead, just days before the retreat commenced, rumors begin to fly that the Cabinet was going to talk about not only removing the border and customs inspections between the two nations, but unifying the currency which is effectively a discussion about Canada adopting the US dollar. The rumors were no accident. Canadas ambassador to the US, Raymond Chretien (no relation to Jean), aired these thoughts to a Washington DC crowd in early June. Dollar Imperialism? In Canada the loudest reactions to an open border and a US dollar fall into only a few categories that manage to cover the spectrum of emotion. Inevitably there are those who feel greater economic union with the US is "inevitable" (though nothing is). This group generally views "dollarization" favorably. Next, and closely related to the first, is the group that sees tighter ties with the US economy as beneficial and, with a little work, rather attainable. And lastly, there are those who are horrified by the idea of growing any closer to the US. This is probably the largest group, though the horror varies in degrees among its members. Through a combination of insecurity and notions of a purposeful American imperialism, this group foresees a Canada without sovereignty, where social policies are dictated from inside the Beltway and culture is beamed without halt from Hollywood. Fear of the imminent death of Canadian sovereignty is justified in light of the federal governments recent kowtowing. Military support for the US escapades in Kosovo went without question, and threats that the British Columbias provincial government would ban US submarines from testing torpedoes at a naval base on Vancouver Island in BC prompted the feds to expropriate the base from the province. Still, those fearing the end of Canadian culture and sovereignty are no less fatalistic than those who see dollarization as an inevitable part of the countrys future. And in the name of protecting Canadian identity and values, they show no faith in the strength of that identity or those values indeed they show no faith in the strength and abilities of individual C anadians. To the decades-old cry that Canadian culture is about to sink, Canadian artists and performers have proven they can compete on the world stage. Canadians Jim Carey and Mike Meyers are two of the biggest names in showbiz, and love them or hate them, female crooners Celine Dion, Sarah McLaughlin, and Alanis Morissette are among the biggest record sellers of the 90s. Not so long ago the Canadian government stood among this group of negative Nellies, risking a trade war with a hypocritical Congress to protect Canadas precious magazine industry from American competition. Funny how in a matter of months that same government can without flinching float the idea of a unified currency and an open borderthough Prime Minister Chretien denies that these specific issues came up during his Cabinet retreat. To this skeptics reply that the government simply got the issues out in the media to make official discussions, when they come, more palatable to Canadians. In America, government and business leaders have apparently heard little of these closer "theoretical" relations with Canada, and indeed the issue seems not to have crossed many of their minds. Yet by most accounts they have little reason to be averse to a single currency and a more open border though American lawmakers might worry about
[CTRL] George W. Bush - Frontman for an Evil Party?
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:536428"George W. Bush - Frontman for an Evil Party? /A - Subject: George W. Bush - Frontman for an Evil Party? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dkriz) Date: Sun, 11 July 1999 01:47 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As the campaign for the presidency continues, I hope that Gov. George W. Bush is eventually confronted in the manner that Lincoln confronted Douglas in the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates. In the course of those debates Lincoln asked Douglas to reconcile Douglas' own opposition to slavery with his (then Democratic) party's support for the continuation of the institution of slavery. A similar confrontation of George W. is really in order: Gov. Bush, you say that you wish to be known as "compassionate" and yet your party today is a de facto coalition of Bankers, Clansmen and Nazi militiamen, none of whom could would be considered by others to be "compassionate." How do you reconcile this? Further, voting for you would not be simply voting for you, but for all those you would appoint to your administration. It would seem, from the track-record of Republican administrations of the recent past (including that of your father) that a vote for you would be a vote for putting Oliver North, or people just like him, back into the basement of the White House, William Casey, or someone just like him, back into the leadership of the CIA, and James Watt, or someone just like him, back into the leadership of the EPA or Dept. of the Interior (Watt, an unabashed pro-business industrialist, was the head of the Dept. of the Interior, a dept which is greatly responsible for environmental protection in this country. Reagan's first appointee to the EPA was even worse, a woman who saw her mandate as being to de facto gut the agency). It would seem further, given your party's opposition to Clinton's bombing campaign against Milosevic, that a vote for you would be a vote to make the world safe for people like Milosevic (or like Botha and Pinochet during Reagan's and Bush's tenures). So why, should anyone take you as being anything more than a "trojan horse" for ensuing GOP mahem, if you were to get elected? Why should we trust you? Your campaign to perhaps try to save the GOP from truly becoming America's NAZI party of the 21st century may be admirable. But you may lose _that fight_ anyway, and it is entirely possible that your "compassionate conservative" campaign is simply a ruse from start to finish to begin with -- a last gasp effort to try to make the GOP pallatable to a populace that the GOP does not really represent, or even care to represent. Why should Americans today believe that you are anything more than simply a frontman for what has become an evil party? Fr. Dennis Kriz, OSM [EMAIL PROTECTED] The GOP: Pro-Milosevic, Pro-Gun, Pro-Schwarzenegger, Pro-Racist, Pro-NAZI - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New Star Wars Movie - Freemason Illuminati Neopagan Messages Within
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:536336"New Star Wars Movie - Freemason Illuminati Neopagan Messages Within /A - Subject: New Star Wars Movie - Freemason Illuminati Neopagan Messages Within From: "Sam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 July 1999 09:43 PM EDT Message-id: 1ESh3.759$[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the New Star Wars movie you are presented with Anikan Skywalker as a young boy. He was conceived by the "mediclorines a symbiant microscopic life-form within" without which "life could not exist". The mediclorines represent the "God" within. That all creation is God and should be worshipped according to New Ager beliefs and especially "Man" the only life form on Earth with intelligence. Anikan Skywalker was conceived by the medichlorians so therefore is a Christ figure being conceived by "God". These medichlorines are said to speak to us so in reality are demons. Benjamin Creme of the UN backed Share International who pushes Maitreya, says that Lucifer is our "God" and director of our planetary evolution. The theory of evolution opens the door to Nazi eugenics. Benjamin Creme also says that Lucifer is the Sacrificial lamb and the prodigal "Son". Anikan Skywalker Darth Vader fulfills this description given by New Ager and Freemason Benjamin Creme. At the last movie in the series Return of the Jedi, Darth Vader (Anikan Skywalker) repents and leaves the Dark Side of the force therefore becoming the Prodigal Son. He died therefore becoming the sacrificial lamb since he was conceived by the medichlorines he was therefore conceived by the "God" within. So what Benjamin Creme says below can be said about Darth Vader or Anikan Skywalker. In the new movie the Phantom Menace he literally walks across the sky when he pilots the fighter he becomes a Savior when he destroys the control ship. The literal Sun or Star walks across the sky when it rises in the East and Sets in the West. Anikan Skywalker AKA Darth Vader fits Benjemin Creme's description of Lucifer which means Shining One in the original Hebrew and represents Nimrod the Mighty Hunter and first ruler of the Original Babylon quite well. Lucifer is really Nimrod who reflected Satans attitude. But in New Age theology Lucifer is equivalent to Baal, Beelzebub or Satan. But they don t see him as Satan but the true God who freed man to decide for himself what is right and wrong and what has mans technology truly done to the Earth. It is destroying and polluting the Earth that is what. Gaia fits in as Mans mother and is part of the collective God they believe to exist in all creation. Darth Sideus in the movie I hate to say it according to the New Age writer represents Adony AKA Jehovah God, Yahweh, or YHVH the God of the Bible. Albert Pike leader of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry denounced the Hebrew word for Lord Jehovah Adony and embraced Lucifer or Satan. The same types of messages are playing out in the Star Wars movies. Below is an excerpt from http://www.webzonecom.com/ccn/cults/newageov.txt As to the history and achievements of Lucifer, Benjamin Creme, a leading lecturer and proponent of the New Age, gives us some fascinating information from a recent radio interview. The interviewer asked Mr. Creme, "Who is Lucifer?", to which Mr.Creme replied: "Lucifer came from the planet Venus 18.5 million years ago; he's the director of our planetary evolution, he is the sacrificial lamb, and the prodigal son. Lucifer made an incredible sacrifice, a supreme sacrifice for our planet." Benjamin Creme uses this same exact description to describe a being named Sanat Kumara. The only difference in the description is that in place of the name Lucifer, Sanat Kumara is used.Mr. Creme further adds that "Sanat Kumara is our God." Thus we have a clear picture of who Lucifer is according to some of those at the forefront of the New Age Movement. He is a mighty benevolent being of light, the Ruler of Humanity, our inner guiding light... the light of God, the sacrificial lamb, the prodigal son, and is also known as Sanat Kumara our God. (A scrambling of Satan Marduk?) For more info see: http://harvest-trust.org/majestyt.htm http://www.hourofthetime.com/ For the truth of Gods Word see http://www.watchtower.org - Sam - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always
[CTRL] VICTIMS OF MASONIC ILL TREATMENT ISSUE 28/99
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:536310"VICTIMS OF MASONIC ILL TREATMENT ISSUE 28/99 /A - Subject: VICTIMS OF MASONIC ILL TREATMENT ISSUE 28/99 From: William [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 10 July 1999 02:30 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] VOMIT UK 28/99 Victims Of Masonic Ill-Treatment10 July 1999 Anyone criticised or maligned in these publications has a guaranteed right of reply. JMF or P2 Lodge UK stands for the hierarchies of the Judaeo/Masonic Faction. The ordinary Mason and Jew are as likely to suffer from the machinations of the JMF as non-Masons and non-Jews are. DON'T LAUGH You are asked not to laugh at this man whose email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] In our view he is an honest man who exhibits the schizo affective psychosis arising from his indoctrination with the repetitive mumbo jumbo of Freemasonry. Unwittingly he is supporting an evil organisation, which would have no qualms about crucifying him, if he inadvertently got in the way.Here are just three paragraphs from an article that is far too long. Bill tells you how to behave, what to read and where to go. He even tells you what he has read and lists all the anti-Masonic books he has read. Only two! Remarkably he has not read "Inside the Brotherhood" by Martin Short and he has apparently never heard of Vomit. He has heard of Juan King. Here goes. ### Allow me to introduce myself:My name is Bill Maddox - a Master Mason since 1985, having been Raised to the Sublime Degree of a Master Mason at Perfect Union Lodge #10, AFAM Grand Lodge of Texas. Since then I have joined the Southern California Research Lodge, Royal Arch and Cryptic Masons, the Knight's Templar, and the Shrine. Since Freemasonry consists of activities for the entire family, (DeMolay for boys, Rainbow Girls and Job's Daughters for girls, Order of the Eastern Star for wives, and other organizations), we need to remember that this is a group where children will be reading the discussions, and conduct ourselves accordingly. Some anti-Masonic Books I have read:The Brotherhood: The Secret World of the Freemasons Stephen Knight The Deadly Deception: Freemasonry Exposed by One of Its Top Leaders (might want to read IS IT TRUE What They Say ??? above) Tom McKenney ### We published the second paragraph because it throws light on how the Masonic hierarchy not only controls the foot soldiers but also members of their families. Much has been said about the Order of the Eastern Star.Thatcher was alleged to be a member. In our time as a Mason the Order of the Eastern Star was never linked to Freemasonry. Trust the Masons to muddy the waters.The United Grand Lodge, through its communications expert, stated that there were female Masons.In our day females were classed as profane.There are so many female crooks in positions of authority that one is bound to suspect the dirty brigade of either enrolling them or controlling them. Such women are perpetuating a system which has enslaved women for centuries and which continues to enslave the vast majority of men and women. We believe that the following women are a disgrace to their sex: Elizabeth Filkin (formerly Revenue Adjudicator and now Parliamentary Commissioner), Ann Abraham (the Legal Services Ombudsman), Jacqueline Goodfellow (Registrar of Leicester Land Registry), Janet Relfe (Bucks County Council solicitor), Susan Markham (Chiltern District Council solicitor), Hilary Kitchener or Wilson (rates manipulator and perjurer at Chiltern District Council), Carol Castle (the crooked Assistant Chief Planning Officer of Chiltern District Council), almost every female solicitor in the Office for the Supervision of Solicitors, almost every female Labour MP. We regret that we cannot offer Bill Maddox advice on how to cure himself.People who have been raised to the Sublime Degree are worthy of ten salutations from us and a "Yes, sir. Yes, Sir. Three bags full, Sir". Maddox supports a liar who calls himself "Ed King". Without a shadow of doubt King is a liar.Yes! King is a liar. What does that say about Maddox the Sublime? What does it say about Freemasonry? BILDERBERG We are indebted to Tony Gosling for news that the Bilderberg Group is disseminating false information just like "Ed King" above. This is just what one would expect from a criminal organisation controlled by Masons.It distracts attention from its crimes against humanity by making false allegations against people who would expose its crimes. ALBERT DRYDEN We are indebted to someone whose identity we conceal until we are authorised to divulge it. He states .. ### Albert is in relatively good spirits in Durham jail. He is a category "A" prisoner, principally because the authorities regard him as risk due to his knowledge of improvised firearms
[CTRL] Church of the Creator: Creed of Hate-The Search for a New High Priest
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www1.us.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/cotc/search-new-priest.html A HREF="http://www1.us.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/cotc/search-new-priest. html"The Search for a New High Priest /A - Church of the Creator: Creed of Hate The Search for a New High Priest To round out the picture of C0TCs leadership struggle, the following is a review of efforts by Klassen and his chosen successors to maintain control and direction of the organization. Heirs Apparent: 1 - Rudy "Butch" Stanko Klassen announced in February 1990 that his successor as Pontifex Maximus would be Rudy "Butch" Stanko, whom he described to COTC followers as an "outstanding man, who has been tested by fire and torture, by success and adversity." Stanko, 46, was at one time owner of the Nebraska Beef Packer and Cattle King companies. He held contracts worth $20 million to supply ova 18 million pounds of ground beef to public school cafeterias until the NBC news program "First Camera" reported in 1983 that the meat was produced under unsanitary conditions. (Racial Loyalty later alleged that the series, since canceled, was "probably set up specifically and for no other reason than to smear and slander Rudy.") The U.S. Departments of Justice and Agriculture then investigated Stanko, and the meat magnate was convicted in 1984 of six violations of the Federal Meat Inspection Act. He was sentenced to six years in prison and ordered to pay a $70,000 fine. Stanko apparently came to Klassen's attention while in prison as the author of The Score, an intensely anti-Semitic book which details how Stanko's meat- packing corporation was destroyed by a Zionist conspiracy. The 389-page tome opens with an un-Creatorly, though predictably hateful, epigraph: "This book is dedicated to Jesus Christ. He was the first to tell The Score about the conspiracy of the Sanhedrin and its followers. For this they crucified him." The book proceeds to cover such topics as "Zionism"; "The Sanhedrin" and "Who Rules America." It concludes with a reprise of the megalomaniacal chestnut, "the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion." The felonious abattoir operator welcomed his appointment as Klassen's successor by writing in the February 1990 Racial Loyalty: It is a great honor and a supreme challenge to be selected as the next Pontifex Maximus of the Church of the Creator It is my avowed purpose to provide the necessary leadership, organizational and promotional talents to...smash the tyrannical Jewish network once and for all time. It is my hope and dedicated goal to bring this about in the next decade, the last decade history has allowed us for the final showdown. But, it was not meant to be. Though released from a federal penitentiary in December 1991, Stanko was arrested for speeding in his Nebraska hometown on February 3, 1992. He was also charged with obstructing a police operation, criminal mischief, and driving with an expired license. After being taken to the local jail, Stanko reportedly wrestled with officers while they attempted to inventory his property during the booking procedure. He was then taken to a hospital, where he broke a light fixture with a crutch; when police entered his room, Stanko allegedly tried to assault an officer with the crutch. The Pontifex Maximus-elect was released on bond the following evening. Though a February 11, 1992, Ashville Citizen-Times article reported that Stanko was scheduled to assume COTC leadership the following month. it also noted that a Montana parole officer "said Stanko had told him that he was not interested in taking over the church." The Scottsbluff, Nebraska, Star-Herald confirmed in a March 5, 1992. article that "Stanko said recently he is no longer a reverend in the church." The Star-Herald added that Stanko had filed a $1.375 million lawsuit alleging police brutality and civil rights violations in connection with his February arrest. Stanko's lawsuit was dismissed by a district court on May 29. 1992. He appealed this decision to the Nebraska Supreme Court, which upheld the lower court ruling in November 1992. With respect to the criminal charges pending against him, Stanko planned to enter a plea bargain agreement in October 1993, in which he will be sentenced for misdemeanor destruction of property and speeding infraction violations. Shortly after these incidents. it became clear that Stanko would not be taking over the leadership of COTC As Klassen scrambled to find a new successor, he referred to his first attempt as the "Rudy Stanko fiasco." Stanko nonetheless addressed another temporary Pontifex Maximus, Mark Wilson, in the November 1992 Racial Loyalty: "I want to congratulate you on being appointed the Pontifex Maximus and the new leader of the CHURCH OF THE CREATOR I realize the tremendous responsibility placed on your shoulders, and you have my wholehearted support. If I
[CTRL] News From Mt. Shasta.
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:536081"Subject: News From Mt. Shasta. /A - Subject: Subject: News From Mt. Shasta. From: "John F. Winston" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 09 July 1999 02:05 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: News From Mt. Shasta. July 8, 1999. Although I never seem to get around to go to the Wesak celebration that is held around Mt. Shasta during the spring, the information always seems to trickle down to me. Here is some such information. .. .. From: C D Subject: Sufi Water Folks, this is the most amazing positive information I've read yet. * http://www.transformacomm.com/water/watertalk.htm Mother Earth - The New Consciousness and Sacred Water A Talk presented by Drunvalo Melchezidek Introduction Drunvalo Melchezidek gave this talk on May 1st '99 at the Wesak '99 celebration help at Mount Shasta. The message has such an importance that the word needs to go out there and be spread to all. If the version of the document has been mangled or has parts missing due to multiple forwarding, you can find the original at http://www.transformacomm.com/ in both HTML and TXT (ASCII) format. Please see the bottom of this document for additional notes. Summary of Talk Some Sufi masters in Turkey who had been doing powerful Zikhr chants have presented to the world a water that appears to be alive and have G-d-consciousness. This water has different effects on different things. It seems to have an optimal effect on whatever it touches. They used it in one of the most polluted bays in the world... dark with black bubbles. It became totally clear within a few days. Unfortunately the channels coming into the bay continue to pollute it. Drunvalo Melchezidek had just come from a meeting with F-I, C-A, military officials, and top corporation scientists in Washington where they demonstrated this water in action. It cleared away the most disgusting pollution in glass containers (sewage, oil, chemicals) very quickly with only a teaspoon of the water. They also did experiments with huge ponds of water with the same results. This water also put out chemical and petrochemical fires and methane fires at garbage fill sites that had not been successfully put out before... and the fires would not restart afterwards. It also works the same on forest fires. Some environmental scientists at the meeting said that if a miracle like this had not come along, the earth would be dead within 3 years due to the pollution. The best news is that the governments are willing to allow this water to be used to clear the planet's pollution. This water is called super-ionized water. A company out of Istanbul, Turkey has been started by Ihan Doyuk called Perfect Science. A 48 million-dollar plant has been built in Turkey to produce 100,000 tons of this water a day. The water seems to have many more uses. Drunvalo could not say more due to a confidentiality agreement he had signed. He could not tell us what it does to human bodies but he did say that it may be the most interesting use of the water of all. Complete Transcript of the Talk (Ed: If you want to go directly into the heart of the presentation, skip to Part II) Part I - Setting the stage New concepts and Ideas are coming Drunvalo: Ok. We are ready to begin now. What I am about to tell you about today is one of the more exciting things that I have seen in this world in a long time. This is brand new; you've never heard me talk about it before and it is just beginning in the planet right now. As I see it, we are never going to be the same after this is understood and it is actually really lived in this world. About six years ago, I was in meditation with a man called [Chichi Tad Armachid Vollites (???)], some of you know this [poet (???)]. And, in a single day, he said he had to leave, that him and most of the ascended masters, not all of them, but a great deal of them, had to go on a journey to another universe to live the experience of what we are all going to live very soon, so that they could find a pathway to this new world, this new way of being. And, for about the last six years, I have been alone with the angels and he's been gone. In January of this year, the angels came in and they said that many of them are now returning in the Egyptian window which is between January 10th and January 19th. That a certain group of them was coming back, and were bringing with them the knowledge of what they'd learned over the last six years. Which, in the other dimensional levels was really hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years. And that, with their coming back, new concepts and new
[CTRL] [6] The Marcos Dynasty
-Caveat Lector- An excerpt from: The Marcos Dynasty Sterling Seagrave©1988 Harper Row, Inc ISBN 0-06-015815-8 - Sixteen YAMASHITA'S GOLD, PART TWO AS EARLY AS 1968, Ferdinand Marcos was being called the richest man in Asia, and ten years later his personal holdings were calculated to be in excess of $5 billion, but those who made these appraisals failed to specify how he had come by such extreme wealth so quickly. Some members of this exotic, super-rich peer group had achieved their immense fortunes by fairly obvious devices, such as war profiteering and criminal racketeering, real estate speculation, domination of major economic sectors such as shipping, electronics, and oil, or had accumulated their wealth over generations by shrewd management of family, corporate, or religious funds. To be sure, there were all the obvious sources. Among journalists, it was generally understood that some of the Marcos wealth came from the crooked sale of import licenses; from countless murky business deals; from his tobacco monopoly and other partnerships with Harry Stonehill and various international operators; from deals with Japanese and Chinese tycoons; from multinational kickbacks; from smuggling and racketeering with Chinese syndicates and Japanese Yakuza; from deals with American mobsters; and from a lion's share of Philippine gambling proceeds. A large part certainly came from the U.S. government in the form of misdirected aid funds, detoured war reparations, inflated military base rent, sidetracked World Bank and IMF millions, and secret grants made by the White House as a means of high-level bribery. Another sizable portion came from confiscating the wealth of others and seizing businesses and properties. Every journalist could tick off other examples, such as landgrabbing from hill tribes, then selling the land to multinationals, but nobody could rationalize more than $1 or $2 billion. What was tantalizing about Ferdinand Marcos was not whether he had $10 billion or $20 billion, but that most of it could not be accounted for. This was attributed to an enormous secret hoard of gold bullion. There were persistent reports that he had vaults full of diamonds and gold; stories of a gold Buddha weighing over a ton; rumors of incredible secret bullion deals in London, Hong Kong, Sydney, and elsewherethe clandestine sales of 10 metric tons of illicit gold bullion at a time, much greater in aggregate than the known gold reserves of the Philippines. Periodically, the London gold market, the biggest in the world, stirred with fresh rumors of secret transactions called "Marcos Black Eagle deals." The term Black Eagle originally referred to Nazi gold spirited out of the Reichsbank in Berlin just before the fall of Hitler's Third Reich. Over $2.5 billion worth of gold and currency vanished, stolen by Russians and Americans and former Nazis, some of it trickling back later into the gold market. The deals of Ferdinand Marcos were also called "Black Eagles" because they were understood to originate similarly with Axis war loot-Yamashita's Gold-and the loot was being marketed surreptitiously. Ferdinand had first become involved in the search after the war, when he claimed that he was called in by two Filipino laborers in a dispute with two former Japanese officers over a pit full of gold bars. Later, as part of President Quirino's Ilocano political machine, he worked closely with the Japanese-American investigator, Fukimitsu, when he interviewed Japanese sources and dug through the Imperial Army archives-only to claim that he found nothing. The legend came back to life in 1970 when a Filipino locksmith and amateur treasure hunter, Rogelio Roxas, dug up a solid gold Buddha weighing 1 ton. Roxas, a former president of the Treasure Hunters Association of the Philippines, said he acquired a Japanese map showing a site near Baguio in abandoned shafts of Benguet mines. Armed with an old-fashioned metal detector, Roxas said he spent months systematically searching for the correct part of the tunnel. After seven months of digging, he said his party reached a cave littered with skeletons. There were no gold bars and coins, only a crate. When they pried it open they found a gold Buddha, distinctly Siamese in its features, possibly the one supposed to have been taken to Baguio by Yamashita when he moved his headquarters there. The Buddha was 28 inches tall and later was determined to weigh 2,000 pounds. The head could be removed. Inside the torso were jewels, assumed to be the crown jewels of some Siamese or Mon ruler in the Malay Peninsula. It might have been seized anywhere in Siam during the Japanese occupation; taken from a member of the Thai aristocracy or from a wealthy Chinese businessman in Bangkok, or from one of the kingdom's well-endowed temples. The Buddha was appraised at $5 million for its gold content alone when it was discovered in 1970. By 1986, the gold content would have brought $26 million. After
[CTRL] klintoon/cohen charged with war crimes
-Caveat Lector- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/19990712_xnjdo_clinton_ch.sht ml MONDAY JULY 12 1999 THE BALKANS QUAGMIRE Clinton charged with war crimes Private tribunal 'indicts' president, Defense secretary By Jon E. Dougherty © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Charges of war crimes have been levied by a U.S.-based private criminal justice organization against President Clinton and Defense Secretary William Cohen for their part in initiating the NATO military action against Yugoslavia. The indictment is to be electronically filed Monday with the International Criminal Tribunal (ICT) in The Hague after the Connecticut-based International Ethical Alliance (IEA) determined that both men had violated many of the same justice standards used by the ICT to indict Yugoslavian President Slobodan Milosevic. In a press release, the IEA said other NATO officials would probably be included in more charges to be filed later for their part in the conflict. IEA officials said it also advocates the prosecution of Milosevic, but said both U.S. and NATO officials must be held accountable. IEA General Counsel Jerome Zeifman, who writes for WorldNetDaily and served as counsel to the House impeachment committee in 1973, said the charges were filed "against defendants Clinton and Cohen [for] non-defensive aggressive military attacks on former Yugoslavia, which have not been necessary to defend the national security of the United States." He added that the charges "are defined and proscribed in the Charters of the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, Aug. 8, 1945, and the 1947 Charter of the United Nations." Zeifman also said the charges rely, in part, on the testimony of witnesses and experts, and in his filing he suggested the ICT contact them for possible depositions to the court. Those witnesses include, but are not limited to: former U.S. President Jimmy Carter; former Nuremberg prosecutor for the United States, Walter Rockler; Bishop Artemious of Kosovo; journalist Alexander Cockburn; and playwright Harold Pinter." Once such charges are filed, Zeifman said, by the Tribunal's own regulations, prosecutors are obliged to investigate. He cited Article 18.1 from The Hague's court procedures, which said, in part, that the ICT must investigate "information obtained from any source, particularly ... organizations." Zeifman has also called for the dismissal of ICT prosecutor Louise Arbour, claiming she has practiced misconduct and is subsequently unqualified for this case. Specifically, he said, Arbour allegedly has engaged "in selective prosecution by intentionally failing to consider and act on evidence which incriminates defendants Clinton and Cohen, and other as yet unindicted officials of NATO countries; conflicts of interest, or the appearance thereof, in receiving compensation from funds contributed to the Tribunal in whole or in part by governments of NATO; and bias in favor of the attacks by NATO on former Yugoslavia." In her place, IEA is advocating the appointment of an independent prosecutor not from any NATO country, who "is compensated only from funds specifically contributed by non-NATO countries; and has an independent staff that is not compensated directly or indirectly from funds contributed by NATO countries." The IEA is also calling for the "recusal of five justices currently representing NATO countries, including chief justice Gabrielle Kirk McDonald of the United States." IEA officials also said the NATO action was "contrary to the United Nations charter [since] NATO was bombing a fellow U.N. member, without U.N. authority." Zeifman said he had not spoken with ICT officials and had no indication whether the indictment would be acted on by the World Court. But he added that it was important to get the matter on record. The indictment also contains quotations from prominent world figures as further evidence of the alleged illegality of U.S. and NATO military action against Yugoslavia. For instance, former President Jimmy Carter is quoted from a May 27, 1999, New York Times article as saying, "The decision to attack Yugoslavia was counterproductive, and our destruction of civilian life was senseless and excessively brutal." And Bishop Artemious of Kosovo, a leader of a resistance movement against the Milosevic regime, charged, "The greatest victim of your bombing is Democracy! Before your bombs democratic forces existed here, however embryonic. Destroying those forces is the greatest crime of your bombs." Though other nations are planning similar actions, Zeifman told WorldNetDaily that the IEA indictment "was more severe." Non-affiliated groups in Britain, Greece and Norway are planning to file similar actions against leaders and officials in their respective countries. Jon E. Dougherty is a senior writer and
[CTRL] klintoon/kohen War Crimes INDICTMENT [full text]
-Caveat Lector- THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL TRIBUNAL FOR THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA INTERNATIONAL ETHICAL ALLIANCE vs WILLIAM CLINTON AND WILLIAM COHEN INDICTMENT WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY GENERAL ALLEGATIONS 1. The herein indictment supplements, supports, and incorporates by reference the facts and legal principles asserted in the May 23, 1999 indictment of Milosevic et al. 2. The jurisdiction of the Tribunal is invoked pursuant to Statute (Article 18.1) which imposes a duty on its prosecutor, Justice Louise Arbour to hear and investigate "information obtained from any source, particularly...organizations." 3. INTERNATIONAL ETHICAL ALLIANCE, Inc. is a United States nonprofit organization, incorporated under the nonstock laws of the State of Connecticut to promote ethics in public forums, including this Tribunal and the Internet. 4. Defendant CLINTON is President of the United States and pursuant to its Constitution and War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 US Code 1541) has limited powers to act as Commander-in-Chief of its armed forces. Defendant COHEN is Secretary of Defense of the United States. 5. On March 24, 1999 defendant CLINTON ordered the military forces of the United States to participate in an aggressive military attack on former Yugoslavia and with the aid and abetment of defendant COHEN continued the attacks for more than 60 day, in violation of: (i) Article 2 of the United States Constitution, giving Congress the sole power to declare war (ii) 50 USC 1542, mandating initial and regular consultations with Congress; 50 USC 1543, mandating written reports of necessitating circumstances; and 50 USC 1544 mandating the termination of the war use of United States Armed Force after 60 days in the absence of the official enactment by Congress of specific statutory authority. 6. At all times relevant to this indictment, the Armed Forces of the United States have participated in non-defensive aggressive military attacks on former Yugoslavia, which have not been necessary to defend the national security of the United States and have also been violations inter alia of (i) Article 18 of the Geneva Convention On The Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, which provides, "Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick, the infirm and materinity cases, may in no circumstances be the object of attack, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict;" and (ii) Protocol II (8 June 1977) to the Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, Article 14, which provides "It is therefore prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless...objects indispensable to the survival for the civilian population, such as foodstuffs...drinking water installations...[and] works or installations containing dangerous forces...even where these objects are military objectives..." 7. Non-defensive aggressive wars as defined and proscribed in the Charter of the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, Aug. 8, 1945, are: "War crimes: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war. Such violations include, but not be limited to, murder, ill-treatment ... of civilian population, ... wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity. "Crimes against Humanity: namely, murder ... and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war. ..." 8. The definitions and proscriptions in the preceding paragraphs have been formally adopted by the United Nations as set forth in its Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, G.A. res. 2391 (XXIII), annex, 23 U.N. GAOR Supp. (no. 18) at 40, U.N. Doc. A/7218 (1968). 9. As has been recently charged by former Nuremberg prosecutor for the United States, Walter Rockler, with respect to the 1999 attacks on former Yugoslavia: "We have engaged in a flagrant military aggression, ceaselessly attacking a small country primarily to demonstrate that we run the world. The rationale that we are simply enforcing international morality, even if it were true, would not excuse the military aggression and widespread killing that it entails. "It also does not lessen the culpability of the authors of this aggression." 10. As stated in paragraph 88 of the May 23, 1999 indictment of Slobodan Milosevic et al by the Court herein (the International Criminal Tribunal for former Yugoslavia): A superior is responsible for the acts of his subordinate(s) if he knew or had reason to know that his subordinate(s) was/were about to commit such acts or had done so and the superior failed to take the necessary and reasonable measures to prevent such acts or to punish the perpetrators thereof." 11. The facts alleged in Counts 1 and 3 below are based on verbatim quotations from a May 27, 1999 New York Times article former United States President Jimmy Carter, charging: "The decision to attack Yugoslavia
[CTRL] Ten Commandments [WND Survey]
-Caveat Lector- Daily questions for Monday, July 12, 1999 1. Residents of Brooksville, Alabama are seeking to establish the Ten Commandments as the only laws of the village. The proposed charter would not be able to declare all breaches of the Ten Commandments illegal, but an advocate of the charter said violators "would be ostracized." How do you feel about this proposal? http://www.becounted.com/ Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Unitarianism = Fascism?
-Caveat Lector- If we accept the logic used in a number of recent posts to the list, then the demonstrable fact that Robert Welch, founder of the John Birch Society, was a practicing Unitarian implies that the Unitarian-Universalist Association is a fascist organization. In reality, of course, this is the notorious "fallacy of the excluded middle," which assumes that a member of the class is equal to the entire class. Similar arguments include: "Karl Marx was a Jew, therefore all Jews are Marxists;" "Some Catholics are anti-Semitic, therefore all Catholics are anti-Semitic;" "Bill Clinton is a philanderer, therefore all Democrats are philanderers." The world would be, if not a better place, at least somewhat saner if more people studied elementary logic before opening their mouths. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Japan's secret study on air raid at N. Korea unveiled
-Caveat Lector- Japan's secret study on air raid at N. Korea unveiled TOKYO, July 13 (Kyodo) -- Japan's Air Self-Defense Force (ASDF) conducted a secret study on launching an air raid against a missile base in North Korea following Pyongyang's test-firing in 1993 of an intermediate-range ballistic missile, defense sources said Monday. The study concluded that an air raid by four F-4EJ Kai aircraft, which are normally used as fighter-interceptors, at North Korea would be theoretically possible, but that its effectiveness would be doubtful, the sources said. In the past, the government expressed its belief that attacks on enemies' missile and other bases fall under the category of self-defense and can therefore be carried out if no other defense measures are possible. That view was submitted to the Diet in 1956. It was expressed again in the wake of what Japan said a test-launching in August last year by North Korea of a ballistic missile. The study was concluded early last year by the ASDF's Western Air Defense Force headquarters in Kasuga, Fukuoka Prefecture, southwestern Japan. It was then informally reported to Air Defense Command in Fuchu, Tokyo, the sources said. The study assumed that the Self-Defense Forces (SDF) would mount the raid without support from U.S. forces in Japan. The action would target the North Korean missile base in Rodong in the country's eastern coastal area, from where the country test-launched the Rodong-1 missile with a range of 1,000 kilometers in May 1993, the sources said. The report assumed that North Korean radar would not detect the F-4EJ Kai aircraft as they entered the country's airspace, carried out the attacks and returned home. Support by F-15 fighters and airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft would not be necessary, it said. In the scenario, the F-4EJ Kai aircraft would leave the SDF Komatsu base in Ishikawa Prefecture and fly on a direct and low-altitude path to their target. Once there, they would drop 16 500-pound bombs before returning home at a higher-than-usual altitude to save fuel, the sources said. After completing the attack and returning home, each of the aircraft would have some 600 liters of fuel remaining, according to the sources. If the aircraft were to return at a normal altitude, their low supply of fuel would force them to make emergency landings, they said. When F-2 fighters, currently under development, are deployed, the ASDF will study using those aircraft in the scenario, the sources said. According to the study's conclusion, it is doubtful that the envisioned air raids would be effective because the ASDF does not own air tankers, the latest electronic warfare-capable aircraft nor detailed information on the North Korean missile base. On Aug. 31, 1998, North Korea is said to have experimentally fired a Taepodong missile which flew over Japan and splashed into the Pacific. Pyongyang said the missile was to launch a satellite. -0- News provided by COMTEX. [!ASIA_PACIFIC] [!GLOBAL+NEWS] [!INTERNATIONAL] [!WORLD+AFFAIRS] [DEFENSE] [GOVERNMENT] [JAPAN] [KOREA] [KYO] [NEWS] [NEWSGRID] [NORTH+KOREA] [POUND] [SATELLITE] [TOKYO] [USA] -- --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sinful Animals????
-Caveat Lector- Queens of the jungle Homosexuality is not confined to humans, it is natural in the animal world, finds ANTHONY DANIELS ACCORDING to Cole Porter, birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it, so there should be no reason we shouldn't do it as well. The "it" in question in Bruce Bagemihl's exhaustive (and exhausting) tome Biological Exuberance is, of course, homosexuality. Same-sex activity has been observed in 450 species of birds and mammals, and there may be many more in which it happens. Ethology (the study of the behaviour of animals in their normal environment) is, after all, a relatively new science. The first third of the book is a descriptive and theoretical essay, the latter two-thirds a gazetteer of animals in which homosexuality is known to occur. The work as a whole is an immense labour, its erudition clearly informed by intense personal passion, but it is rather humourless - despite the lesbian long-eared hedgehogs that keep popping up in the first third. We learn many interesting and startling facts in the course of its 750 pages - for example, that homosexual pairs of black swans are more successful at raising young than heterosexual pairs. Male orang-utans indulge in fellatio, male walruses sodomise each other, and in summer, killer whales devote a tenth of their time to homosexual activity. Female fat-tailed dunnerts (carnivorous marsupials) often mount one another. Homosexual activity is more frequent among giraffes than heterosexual, with males that rub necks becoming intensely aroused. The list is virtually endless. Homosexual activity in animals has been known for a long time, but not studied very closely, or given much prominence in textbooks. The author ascribes these omissions to the assumption by zoologists that heterosexual activity is the only "natural" form of sexuality, and to the general social disapproval and persecution of human homosexuality. On the relatively few occasions it has been described by naturalists, the explanations given for the "aberrant" behaviour have not been very satisfactory. One explanation of male homosexuality, for example, was the scarcity of females. Just as homosexual activity increases among men in prison, so male animals lacking the opportunity to mount females were supposed to turn to their brethren. Bagemihl has little difficulty in showing that such an explanation doesn't wash, as there are many species in which homosexuality takes place even in the presence of available members of the opposite sex. He likewise disposes of the idea that homosexuality is a stage during which animals practise for later heterosexual activity. The sheer variety of sexual activity among animals poses difficulties for evolutionary theory. Evolutionists have regarded sex as primarily a means of reproduction, but much sexual activity among animals (heterosexual and homosexual) serves no reproductive purpose, and indeed gets in its way - if the object of sex is to have as many surviving offspring as possible. The author therefore suggests that the study of animal sexuality in general, and homosexuality in particular, exposes the weakness of "the selfish gene" approach to biology: it is too narrow to explain the observed phenomena. Instead, he suggests that nature loves or promotes variety and exuberant diversity for its own sake. The mechanism by which such a preference is expressed is not explained. Bagemihl prefers, instead, to allude to "indigenous" cultures (native American, Melanesian, Siberian) which, he says, have a perfect understanding of a world in which "gender is kaleidoscopic, sexualities are multiple and the categories of male and female fluid are transmutable". His extravagant praise and approval of these cultures puts us back into the realm of that most exotic of mythical creatures, the noble (and wise) savage. This division of societies into Western-scientific and indigenous demonstrates, incidentally, that the author himself is no freer of biases than the predecessors he excoriates in his writing. We can all see everyone's biases but our own. It is clear that Bagemihl is emotionally much in favour of the polyvalent sexuality of the modern Western city. He is searching for a sanction in nature for the dissolution of human social boundaries and thinks he has found it in the conduct of animals. This seems to me a mistake. Homosexuality in humans would not necessarily be wrong even if it were found in no other species, and it is not right because it is found in zebras or musk oxen. Wives may not murder their husbands just because the females of some species of spider kill and eat the males after mating, and fathers may not kill their children just because male grizzly bears do so. In deciding how to behave or not to behave, we cannot look to the long-eared hedgehog for guidance. We must decide for ourselves. © The Telegraph DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list.
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990712b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No giant basking sharks were harmed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Save our signals. (BBC) Scientists fear signals from mobile phones and communication satellites could lead to the death of radio astronomy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_392000/392275.stm @ Links: Jodrell Bank: http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/ @ Cambridge Astronomy: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/ @ University of London Observatory: http://www.ulo.ucl.ac.uk/ @ ICO Global Communications: http://www.i-co.co.uk/ @ UK Royal Astronomical Society: http://www.ras.org.uk/ras/ : Should large radio-astronomy facilities be built on the farside of Luna so we can electronically pollute Earth to the max? Who needs radio astronomy?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Relativistic Effects Play Major Role In Neutron Star Mergers. A powerful numerical simulation reveals that gravitational waves -- ripples in the fabric of space -- play a major role in coalescing neutron stars. The results the simulation may aid in the future detection of gravitational waves. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990712080808.htm : Have you seen gravity waves lately? Do UFOs surf gravity waves? Do they shout COWABUNGA! and hang 10, 12, whatever? Do relativistic effects imply that C is still the speed limit? Would you rather ripple or warp space?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Colombian rebels in 'demented' onslaught. (BBC) The Colombian military says it has killed around 200 rebels as it struggles to contain "the biggest and most demented offensive'' in 40 years. Wakko-wakko - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_391000/391644.stm : Is your belief system demented? Are you demented? Would you rather stage an assault, create crop circles, experiment with mind-control drugs, boogie? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Police Capture Drug Dealing Monkeys. DHAKA (Reuters) - Bangladeshi police have captured two monkeys trained to deliver drugs to addicts. Police are investigating to see if other drug dealers were also using monkeys. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990712/11/odd-crime-monkey : Does this mark a high- or low-point in interspecies communications? Are humans trained to deliver drugs to aliens, deities, mind-controllers, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Church of the Creator: Creed of Hate - The Search for a New High Priest. To round out the picture of C0TCs leadership struggle, the following is a review of efforts by Klassen and his chosen successors to maintain control and direction of the organization: http://www1.us.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/cotc/search-new-priest.html : Does your belief system have leadership struggles? Is your organization worth any efforts to maintain control direction? Is power it's own prize? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Changing dreams may end trauma. SANTA CRUZ, Calif. (AP) More than 1 in 20 adults in the US say they have disturbing dreams more than twice as many children have nightmares. Trauma victims often immediately have nightmares that recall their experience. In three different studies of a technique, researchers found 100 nightmare sufferers were able to lower the frequency of such dreams by 40%-100%. Patients are taught to create a new "dream," with images they rehearsed daily and thought about before going to sleep each night as a way of breaking what for many is a nightmare habit. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560257989-6e1 : Is scripted dreaming a more effective mind-control technique than ELF rays or psychedelics or implanted electrodes? Is it more cost-efective, stealthy? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # Protection call for 'gentle giant' - UK seeks to save the basking shark: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_391000/391674.stm # Breast milk studied for toxins - British mothers contaminated: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_391000/391514.stm # Alaska oil disaster 'imminent' - whistle-blowers from major oil firm warn that its operations could create an environmental disaster at any moment. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_391000/391698.stm # Renewed clashes in Tehran - 5th day of student protest turns violent: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_391000/391802.stm # SCOTLAND YARD ARRESTS 2 LINKED TO BIN LADEN, EMBASSY BOMBINGS: http://cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9907/12/embassy.bombings/index.html @ UnScience: http://www.pmicro.kz/MISC/UFL/UnScienc/UnScienc.htm @ Dissociation, Torture: http://kerygma101.com/text/torture.html # Performance Enhancer "Andro" Affects Brains As Well As Brawn: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990712080314.htm # Robin Hood Was Gay, Preferred 'Merrie Men' - Study:
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990712c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Hey, SkeptiChat subscribers: let's see some responses, some discussion!! : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No system upgrades were mishandled during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Sex-O-Rama: # Swingers get together in Nevada. RENO (AP) - There haven't been any Austin Powers sightings. But thousands of swingers convened here over the weekend to view erotic art, attend human sexuality workshops and do, uh, what swingers do. The hotel pool was dominated by itsy-bitsy, string bikinis. One man wore a T-shirt that read, "Guess Where I'm Pierced." It was the "Lifestyles '99 Reno Rendezvous," which touts its educational programs, personal freedom and sexual equality. Workshops include "Romance on the Internet," "HIV Update," "500 Unusual Sex Practices," "Growing Up With Kinky Parents" and "Sex Without Guilt: The Morality of Sexual Pluralism." See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560247860-df1 : Where are you pierced? D'ya swing? Do you prefer sex with humans, ETs, me? # Brothel lands in Feds' hands. RENO, Nev. (AP) - In less than a month, the girls of the Mustang Ranch will be gone and the tacky carpets, overstuffed sofas and flocked wallpaper will belong to the gov't. And the gov't will be shutting it down. Perhaps forever. A federal jury ordered the brothel's owners to turn it over to the gov't, along with other properties owned by two companies convicted of being set up to hide the identity of the true owner, fugitive brothel baron Joe Conforte. The issue of prostitution never faced the jury, as it is legal in a dozen of Nevada's 17 counties, including the one where the Mustang is sited outside Reno. The defendants were convicted of conspiring to protect Conforte. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560245219-b7f : Is gov't interfering with free enterprise? Do you attend gov't brothels? # Techo fans flock to Berlin party. BERLIN (AP) - Men in skirts and women in furry Day-Glo bikinis bounced to the techno throb of the Love Parade, the annual all-weekend rave billed as the world's largest street party. An estimated 1.4 million frolicked at what could be Berlin's last celebration of the bass-heavy music. By the afternoon, a mass of young people packed the 3.8-mile boulevard that runs through central Tiergarten Park. Crowds streamed under the Brandenburg Gate to techno music - mostly a computer- generated pulse of drum machines and synthesizers. Drugs, sex and music - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560248377-cdb : Do you rave? Is your mind controlled? Do you throb? Are you dehydrated? # Taiwanese sex slaves to sue Japan. TAIPEI (AP) Lawyers for Taiwanese women forced to serve as sex slaves to Japanese soldiers during World War II are going to sue for compensation and an apology in Tokyo. The group will file a complaint before the Tokyo District Court from nine women demanding an apology and $82,000 each for their suffering. Five of the plaintiffs will travel with the lawyers to Tokyo. The case gained new attention last week with the revelation that several prominent Taiwanese families were share- holders in a Japanese company that ran the wartime brothels. Taiwan was a Japanese colony from 1895 to 1945 and served as a base for the Imperial army's wartime thrust into Southeast Asia. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560254024-361 : Are humans used as sex slaves by aliens? Is there good money in the trade? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks - Charities: American Friends Service Committee, http://www.afsc.org American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, http://www.jdc.org American Red Cross, http://www.redcross.org American Refugee Committee, 612-872-7060 Baptist World Aid, http://www.bwanet.org CARE, http://www.care.org Catholic Relief Services, http://www.catholicrelief.org Christian Children's Fund, http://christianchildrensfund.org Church World Service, http://www.churchworldservice.org Direct Relief International, http://directrelief.org Doctors Of The World, http://www.doctorsoftheworld.org Doctors Without Borders, http://www.dwb.org Feed The Children, 800-328-2122 Food For The Hungry International, http://www.fh.org International Aid, http://www.internationalaid.org International Medical Corps, http://www.imc-la.org International Orthodox Christian Charities, http://www.iocc.org International Rescue Committee, http://www.intrescom.org Lutheran World Relief, 800-597-5972 MAP International, http://www.mag.org Mercy Corps International, http://wwwmercycorps.org Oxfam America, 800-77-OXFAM Presiding Bishop's Fund for World Relief (Episcopal Church), http://www.pbfwr.org/news.htm#kosovo
[CTRL] New Kennedy Assassination Book
-Caveat Lector- Cover-Up by Stewart Galanor Shopping with us is 100% safe. Guaranteed. Our Price: $25.00 Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours. Hardcover - 184 pages 1 edition (October 1998) Kestrel Books; ISBN: 0966277201 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.74 x 8.82 x 6.35 Amazon.com Sales Rank: 62,299 Avg. Customer Review: Number of Reviews: 2 Write an online review and share your thoughts with other readers! Customers who bought this book also bought: No More Silence: An Oral History of the Assassination of President Kennedy; Larry A. Sneed Not in Your Lifetime; Anthony Summers Bloody Treason : On Solving History's Greatest Murder Mystery : The Assassination of John F. Kennedy; Noel Twyman With Malice : Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J. D. Tippit; Dale K. Myers, Robert H. Johnson Click here for more suggestions... Our auction sellers recommend: REPORT OF THE WARREN COMMISSION, The Assassination of President Kennedy (Current bid: $5.99) Great Crimes and Trials of the 20th Century (1996) 5 Volume- (Current bid: $6.00) The Last Pumpkin Paper--NEW BOOK with DJ!!! (Current bid: $4.99) Reviews Book Description The evidence of a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy and its cover-up by the government and news media. From the Publisher "Cool, clear, concise. Galanor has boiled down a mass of complex materials into an easily accessible, enlightening discussion. Superbly done." --Michael Parenti, author of Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media "Quickly and dramatically Cover-up shatters the lone assassin theory. The weaving of photographs and document with scientific evidence exposes in a remarkably clear way the workings of a cover-up." --John Loughery, The Hudson Review "A thoroughly researched account of how the Government's version of the Kennedy assassination is filled with contradictions and impossibilities." --William Pencak, Professor of American History, Penn State University "A cogent destruction of the Government's account of the assassination. An astounding amount of evidence counters the deceptions and forgeries that lie at the heart of the official cover-up." --David S. Lifton, author of Best Evidence "Galanor skillfully cuts through thirty-five years of clutter and zeros in on the crucial evidence. His systematic, persuasive analysis--supported by beautifully reproduced documents and photographs--will lead any reasonable reader to a chilling but inescapable conclusion: there was a conspiracy and a cover-up." --Zachary Sklar, co-author of screenplay JFK "With 40 volumes from two official investigations, as well as hundreds of published books--all devoted to the solution of John F. Kennedy's assassination--Stewart Galanor's eloquent, spare volume is a treasure for novice and expert alike. With understated prose and well-chosen images, Galanor dissects the core issues that hobble the single assassin thesis. "His amazing short section on Dealey Plaza witnesses may well be the best summation of this evidence in print. Interviews he conducted thirty-two years ago not only formed the basis for this remarkable chapter, but also justified early doubts about the truthfulness of the witness reports the FBI delivered to the Warren Commission." --Gary L. Aguilar, MD, Head, Division of Ophthalmology, St. Francis Memorial Hospital, San Francisco About the Author Stewart Galanor is the author of the textbooks Calculus: A Visual Approach and The Paradox of Tristram Shandy. He is a multimedia consultant and technical writer for financial institutions and the television industry. He resides in New York City. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Unabomber was CIA mind-control experiment!]
-Caveat Lector- Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Murray became preoccupied by psychoanalysis in the 1920s, drawn to it through a fascination with Herman Melville's "Moby Dick," which he gave to Sigmund Freud, who duly made the excited diagnosis that the whale was a father figure. snip Huh? I always assumed that Moby Dick was a phallic symbol... ;^D Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Unitarianism = Fascism?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we accept the logic used in a number of recent posts to the list, then the demonstrable fact that Robert Welch, founder of the John Birch Society, was a practicing Unitarian implies that the Unitarian- Universalist Association is a fascist organization. In reality, of course, this is the notorious "fallacy of the excluded middle," which assumes that a member of the class is equal to the entire class. Similar arguments include: "Karl Marx was a Jew, therefore all Jews are Marxists;" "Some Catholics are anti-Semitic, therefore all Catholics are anti-Semitic;" "Bill Clinton is a philanderer, therefore all Democrats are philanderers." Don't forget: Kris and Ric are Gods, therefore all listowners moderators are Gods. Such logic simplifies analysis considerably. Ric "we're all immortal until we die" Carter DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [3] The Treason of the Senate
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Treason of the Senate David Graham Phillips academic reprints p.o. box 3003 Stanford, California Cosmopolitian Magazine Vol. XL - March, 1906 - No.5 --[3]-- CHAPTER 3 Left Arm of the Monster WE have now seen, First: That there has been in the past quarter of a century an amazing and unnatural uppiling of wealth in the hands of a few; that there has been an equally amazing and equally unnatural descent of the masses, despite skill and industry and the boundless resources of the country, toward the dependence of wages and salaries; that the massing of wealth and the diffusion of dependence are both swiftly increasing. Second: That these abnormal conditions have come with, and out of, the development of a small group of controllers of railways and, through them, of finance and manufactures; that this little group controls and freely levies upon and trims the twenty thousand millions of our annual internal commerce, three-fourths of which is interstate and therefore subject to the supervision of Congress only. Third: That this little group owes its power and its wealth, in part to legislation favoring it, but in the main to the failure of Congress to safeguard the people in the possession of the fruits of their labor by enacting the laws in regulation of interstate commerce which the public welfare has clearly demanded and which the Constitution clearly authorizes. Fourth: That the responsibility both for legislation in favor of "the interests" and for failure to legislate in restraint upon their depredations rests wholly and directly upon the United States Senate. Fifth: That, as the Senate's legislation for "the interests" and its failure to legislate against them have not been frank and open, but tricky, stealthy and underhanded, the Senate cannot plead in its own defense either ignorance or honest motives; that its conduct has been and is deliberate, has been and is an intentional serving of "the interests" and an intentional betrayal of the people, has been and is treason. Sixth: That the right arm of this treason has been and is Senator Aldrich. But the monster has a left arm, also. And that left arm, almost as powerful and quite as useful as the right, is Arthur P. Gorman, of Maryland. The common enemy, "the interests," dominate the political as well as the industrial machinery of the nation. In the political machinery of both parties they have at the important points faithful, well-paid agents, shrewd at fooling the people or at selecting those who can fool the people. Their control of state legislatures is such that they determine nearly three-fourths of the senators. Whoever may be, "for appearance's sake." in charge of the Rcpublican machine, Aldrich is really in charge. Whoever may be nominally at the head of the Democratic machine, Gorman is really there. For only to men approved by them or their lieutenants will "the interests" supply the "oil" indispensable to a machine. Popular movements and heroes and spasms of reform rage and pass; but the machine abides, and after the storm it resumes; indeed, it works exceeding well even through the roughest cyclones. To our national political machine, with its label that reads "Republican' I on the one side and "Democratic" on the other, Aldrich and Gorman are as the thumb and the forefinger to a skillful hand. Gorman, From Page to "Patriot" Gorman was born in Maryland sixtyseven years ago. After a few years at public school, he, at the age of thirteen, entered politics; his father, a contractor and lobbyist in a small way, got him a place as page in the United States Senate. This was in 1852, when the slave oligarchy, then in the heyday of its haughtiness, was using the same methods of sophistries about alleged "constitutional law', and alleged jealousy for the "grand old Constitution" that the industrial oligarchy is using in this heyday of its haughtiness. The slave oligarchy, to maintain and strengthen itself, was strenuous for the state as paramount over the nation; to-day, we have the doctrine resurrected by alleged Republicans from its grave under the battlefields of the Civil War, rehabilitated and restated to make the nation impotent before enemies far worse than the slave oligarchy. And under the renovated banner of "states' rights," "the blue" and "the gray," the "bloody shirt" Forakers and Spooners and the Confederate Baileys and Stones march shoulder to shoulder in protecting "the interests" in their lootings. Gorman, the brightest of bright boys, absorbed and assimilated all the mysteries of the Senateall its crafty, treacherous ways of smothering, of emasculating, of perverting legislation; how to thwart the people and shift the responsibility; when to kill a just bill in committee and when to kill it in open Senate in the midst of a wild scrimmage among " honest patriots contending only for the right but conscientiously differing in views." For the Senate, not elected by the people,
[CTRL] [14] Other Altars
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Other Altars - Roots and Realities of Cultic and Satanic Ritual Abuse and Multiple Personality Disorder Craig Lockwood©1993 CompCare Publishers 3850 Annapolis Lane, Suite 100 Minneapolis, MN 55441 612.559.4800/800.328.3330 ISBN 0-89638-363-6 255+pps out-of-print/one edition. - A very interesting and excellent book. Om K --[14]-- Chapter 14 Unholy Inquistion "Moreover I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness, and in the place of righteousness, even there was wickedness. " -Ecclesiastes, 3:16 Knowing what the average person thought seven or eight hundred years ago is difficult. Most people were illiterate and left no records. We can be sure, however, that they believed in witchcraft and sorcery, as did the educated who did leave records. Peasants, clerics, and nobles alike felt they had every reason to fear those who might practice such arts. In the spiritual evolution of Satan, the thirteenth century was an important period. Weary from humiliation and defeat in the Crusades, infected with deeply rooted ecclesiastic corruption at home, the pious fathers of Rome hunkered down to save the sinking ark of the church from the blasphemous Pagan idolaters. Back at work were those interminable pests, the hereticsthis time in the form of several Manichaean sects who had slipped in over the Carpathians from Bulgaria. Prominent among these were the Cathari, Albigenses (Cathars who lived in the Albi region), and the Waldenses. Manichaean doctrine eschewed materiality and emphasized the relationship between the coexisting forces of spiritual good and carnal evil. Man's only redemptive hope was the expurgation of evil by denying carnalityin any form. Sex once again reared its conveniently licentious head. Cathars were accused by Rome of the church's favorite unnatural act, sodomythis time with animals. Sodomy, according to numerous contemporary documents, was one act the pious fathers were more than familiar with, since celibacy wasn't rigidly enforced. So goat abuse can account for only a tiny part of the reason. The more important reasons were economic. These heretics were gaining converts, and the church was losing tithes. Perhaps there was an element of truth to the accusations. Perhaps Cathari elders, realizing that not all of the laity could repress their sexuality, considered the inevitable consequences, rolled their eyes, and gave a shrugging sanction. This way, at least, no overriding doctrine was violated, and no doctrinally impure progeny arrived. Pope Innocent III sent troops against the Manichaeans in the early years of the thirteenth century. Up into the high Alpine valleys they marched, down through the dark forests. "Neither sex, nor age, nor rank have we spared," stated the general who conducted the genocide against the Albigenses. "We have put all alike to the sword."[1] Peasants, Prelates, and Promiscuity But the overtaxed, suppressed peasants who weren't heretics, who had provided their lives for the Crusades, their labor for their feudal lords, and their souls for Rome, were also suspect. Yes, they served the church, showed up for Mass, and paid their tithes and tributes with downcast eyes. But just what were they doing at night? If Rome's pious fathers could be sure of anything, they could be sure it involved sex. What else did the peasantry have left that feudal lord and Church hadn't appropriated? But sex had always been involved. Peasants lead lives close to the earth. Fertility was a constant concerncrops, animals, and little peasants to take over when mum and dad got on in years. So peasants were earthy. Late Paleolithic hunters and herders, the peasant's ancestors, had lived or died by the fecundity of their mammals and meadows. And to ensure that fertility came, each spring and fall hunters, and later herders, performed the rituals they believed would ensure fertility's coming. Whatever form the local god and goddess took, whatever names their tribal cults went by, they commonly mingled human and animal characteristics. Topped with stag's antlers or aurochs's horns, wearing pelts symbolically bedecked with flowers, silhouetted against a great fire, the horned god and goddess figures would enact before the gathered tribe the cosmo-magical law of imitation: like attracting symbolic-like, beckoning fertility in sexual union. Drumming and dancing, feasting, perhaps ingesting narcotic substances from plants, and probably having sex were part of these rituals of great power and magic. Repeated century after century, the ritual of fertility made an indelible impression on the Paleolithic psyche, perpetuating a mythic archetype. Some researchers are even claiming this spiritual impulse may have been encoded into our genes. So, as long as people still lived close to the land, the myth survived. Tribes and peoples come and go. Nature thins them with disease, drought, famine, failure of food source, or
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Friday #1]
-Caveat Lector- "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip : How could humans have evolved on a planet where we're so susceptible to damage by the sun, by gravity, by the biosphere? Were we (mis)designed, imported, lab-cultured? snip Obviously, the human body, like everything else in the universe, is a kludge. The inevitable conclusion is, of course, that God is an engineer. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Zapruder film to get official price tag
-Caveat Lector- Zapruder film to get official price tag Monday, 12 July 1999 15:08 (GMT) (NOTE: fixing archives reference) (UPI Spotlight) Zapruder film to get official price tag DALLAS, July 12 (UPI) - An arbitration panel could make a decision this week on the historic value of Abraham Zapruder's famous 26-second film of President John F. Kennedy's assassination. The Dallas Morning News says (Monday) the panel is weighing a price range of $1 million to $30 million as "just compensation" to the heirs of the deceased Dallas dressmaker. The National Archives, which has held the film for 20 years, took official possession last August. Jordan women must unveil for elections Monday, 12 July 1999 13:32 (GMT) (UPI Spotlight) Jordan women must unveil for elections AMMAN, Jordan, July 12 (UPI) - Jordanian women must show their faces before casting ballots in Wednesday's municipal elections for the first time, drawing criticism from conservative Muslims. Municipal Affairs Minister Tawfiq Kreishan says (Monday) that Muslim women who cover their faces must unveil themselves to policewomen or female candidate representatives at polling stations to prove their identity. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] High-resolution spy satellite set for launch
-Caveat Lector- From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000579381554028rtmo=0X2sxGKqatmo= pg=/et/99/7/8/ecnsat08.html - High-resolution spy satellite set for launch By Simon Davies A COMMERCIAL satellite capable of distinguishing objects the size of a tea tray will be launched from America next month. The Ikonos-1 is the most powerful commercial imaging satellite yet built. Its parabolic lens will be able to resolve objects 80cm (32in) in length anywhere on Earth. Ikonos-1, owned by Denver-based Space Imaging, will be the first of a new generation of high-resolution satellites using technology formerly restricted to government security agencies. Another 10 companies have received licences to launch equally powerful satellites, four of them this year. Closing in: the Millennium Dome is clearly visible in this picture taken by GEC's SPOT 4 satellite last year. Ikonos-1 will be able to resolve objects 32in across Space Imaging's corporate communications director, Mark Brender, told a London meeting of the "Freedom Forum" think-tank last week that the technology would pioneer a "new age of transparency - "we intend bringing death to distance"." Satellite resolution has constantly improved over the past decade. Since the end of the cold war, companies such as EarthWatch, Motorola and Boeing have invested billions of dollars to create satellites capable of mapping the most minute detail on the face of the earth. The technology is already being used for a vast range of purposes, from media reporting of war and natural disasters, to detecting unlicensed building work and even illegal swimming pools. Brender says "we won't ask clients who they are or for what purpose they want the images". But the companies have a distance to go before they catch up with governments. The new generation of secret spy satellites can recognise objects 20cm (8in) across. While Ikonos-1 falls short of the sort of technology featured in the film Enemy of the State, " the privacy implications are vast. The "open skies" policy accepted worldwide means that there are few restrictions on the use of satellites. Dave Banisar, a Washington DC privacy lawyer and author of The Electronic Privacy Papers, says the next generation of satellites will cause a privacy crisis. "The technology may reach the point where people will be forced to retreat to their basements to find privacy." -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ONElist Sponsor Get involved. Share your thoughts! http://www.onelist.com Join the ONElist Weekly Survey. Go to homepage for details. [ISML] Insane Science Mailing List LIST MODERATOR: DAN S. To subscribe: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/isml DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fury as CIA admits spying on British minister
-Caveat Lector- From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000579381554028rtmo=lSQQFvFtatmo= pg=/et/99/7/11/ncia11.html - Sunday 11 July 1999 Fury as CIA admits spying on British minister By Andrew Gilligan, Rob Evans and Greg Neale CIA agents have secretly investigated the environment minister Michael Meacher, The Telegraph can reveal. Mr Meacher said last night that he was "astonished" after the US government confirmed that the CIA keeps a file on him. Compiled recently, it is believed to contain details of Mr Meacher's reservations about genetically-modified foods, which Washington promotes in Europe. The CIA last night refused to release details of the contents of its file, described by another department as a "biographical profile". Inquiries by The Telegraph have uncovered no other files compiled by the CIA on British ministers. Environment groups expressed alarm over the CIA's actions. Charles Secrett, director of Friends of the Earth, said: "The immediate fear is that the CIA is working hand in glove with Monsanto [the US biotechnology company] to do anything they can to force this technology down our throats whatever democratic politicians say. It would be dynamite if this file has anything about Michael Meacher's track record on genetically modified crops and foods. What business is it of the CIA's to worry about any politician's views about biotechnology products?" With the US pressing for GM products to be allowed more freely into Britain - despite British consumers' worries - GM food is emerging as a potential source of conflict between the two countries. President Clinton is known to have had several conversations on the subject with Tony Blair and US diplomatic missions abroad have been ordered to promote the GM industry. The existence of the CIA file on Mr Meacher came to light after The Telegraph conducted inquiries using the US Freedom of Information Act to ask whether Government agencies held any information about British ministers. Most agencies and departments said they had nothing. A small number of departments replied that they had drawn up conventional briefs to prepare their own staff for visits to Washington by British ministers. The briefs, which were drawn from published and embassy sources, were freely disclosed to The Telegraph. However, the US Environmental Protection Agency - Mr Meacher's counterpart department - said it held a file on him but could not disclose it because it "originated within the Central Intelligence Agency". The EPA could not say whether it held the complete file, or whether its holding was part of a larger CIA file. A spokesman, Lynn Schoolfield, said: "We have a biographical profile of Mr Meacher which was compiled by the CIA. But I don't think it's of any great concern. There's nothing to worry about here." The CIA said that it could not release Mr Meacher's file. A spokesman said: "We never comment to the press on the contents of files." Mr Meacher said he had "no idea" why the CIA had information on him. "I am astonished. I find it interesting, but I have no idea what the reason might be." Mr Meacher refused to comment on the action he may now take, but he is likely to raise the matter with the Deputy Prime Minister, John Prescott, and with the Cabinet Secretary, Sir Richard Wilson. Within the Government, Mr Meacher has been the most cautious on GM crops, insisting that none should be grown commercially before trial plantings establish whether they pose an environmental risk. He is also reconstituting the main committee advising ministers on GM foods to reduce the number of members with links to the biotechnology industry. Mr Meacher's background is on the Labour hard Left, but no more so than several other key figures in the Blair government. He led Tony Benn's campaign for the Labour deputy leadership in 1981 and was a member of the shadow cabinet before the 1997 election, but was not appointed to the Cabinet after Labour's election victory. He is well regarded by environmentalists. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ONElist Sponsor ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. [ISML] Insane Science Mailing List LIST MODERATOR: DAN S. To subscribe: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/isml DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Robert Paul wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: "If there is not a massive restructuring, we're going to see a repeat of the kind of social unrest we saw back in the sixties..." Robert Paul wrote: That's what we need except most will argue for more statism, the very poison that creates poverty. "The state" is here to stay. Why should the wealthiest of Americans eliminate something that serves the interests of monopoly capitalism so well? We haven't even touched on the issue of local governments, local politics...how local businessmen use the power of LOCAL governments to keep competition to a minimum...how LOCAL businesses make sure that cities regulate every aspect of commerce on the small town level. I'm sorry, Mr. Paul. Even IF we could conceivably eliminate all of the fiscal excesses of the bloated, corrupt Federal government, citizens would only encounter similar forms of injustice at the local level. I participated in the civil rights movement years ago, and I remember very well how states, counties, and city municipalities would gleefully violate the civil rights of Americans with impugnity. It was only the power of the federal government that brought an end to the Jim Crow era. If you want to believe that deregulation will usher in some golden age of prosperity for all, you're welcome to believe that, but I don't think that's likely. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies? [Posse Comitatus Act]
-Caveat Lector- One of the reasons why federal law enforcement is becoming "militarized" is in response to the increased number of hate crimes in the country. Whenever you have individuals who are interested in using violence against their fellow citizens because they don't happen to like their sexual preferences, their skin color, their religion, then you have a situation that calls for some kind of government response. Domestic terrorism is on the increase. I'm glad that the government is monitoring the activities of the Klan, Nazis and the like. On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Bard wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Can Soldiers Be Peace Officers? The Waco Disaster and The Militarization of American Law Enforcement" by David B. Kopel and Paul M. Blackman One of the most significant trends of federal law enforcement in the last fifteen years has been its militarization. The logical, perhaps inevitable, consequence of that militarization was seen in the disaster at Waco, Texas, resulting in the deaths of four federal agents, and seventy-six other men, women, and children. In this article, we use the Waco tragedy as a starting point to examine the militarization of federal law enforcement, and similar trends at the state and local level. Part Two of this article sets forth the details and rationale of the Posse Comitatus Act--the 1878 law forbidding use of the military in law enforcement. Part Three explicates how that Act was eroded by the drug war in the 1980s. The article then discusses how the drug exception to the Posse Comitatus Act was used to procure major military support for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) raid against the Branch Davidians--even though there was no real drug evidence against them--and how the drug exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act [ http://www.posse-comitatus.org/ ] have made such abuses endemic. Part Four examines the fifty-one day FBI siege of the Branch Davidian residence, with a focus on the destructive role played by the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team, an essentially military force which has proved counterproductive in a civilian law enforcement context.(p.620) In Part Five we look at the problem of groupthink, its role in the Waco tragedy, and the importance of keeping groupthink-prone institutions--like the military--out of law enforcement. Finally, Part Six offers a broader view of the problem of the militarization of federal law enforcement. We examine the proliferation of federal paramilitary units and federal efforts to promote the militarization of state and local law enforcement. After explaining the direct connection between the drug "war" and law enforcement militarization, we propose numerous statutory remedies to demilitarize law enforcement. Soldiers are not peace officers. At all levels of policing, it is time that police officers be restored to their honored status as peace officers. Police ethicist John Kleinig notes: "Were police to see themselves primarily as social peace-keepers, they would be less inclined to 'overkill' in their dealings with both ordinary citizens and those whose disruptive activities properly require their intervention."[186] To help prevent future Wacos, and the needless loss of life of law enforcement personnel and other persons, law enforcement in the United States should be demilitarized. Cicero's advice to the Roman republic, "Let the soldier give way to the civilian,"[187] must be heeded by those who are intent on preserving the American republic, and the rule of civil law. Read the entire Article, at: http://www.2ndlawlib.org/other/kbmilpol.html#h2 Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cyber-Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) Press Release
-Caveat Lector- http://jya.com/uk-secrets.htm 8 July 1999. Thanks to YA and DB. Cyber-Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) Press Release "UK Crypto Policy Secrets Revealed" 06 July, 1999 LEEDS - Cyber-Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) today launched a new section called Freedom of Information through its web pages at http://www.cyber-rights.org/foia/ http://www.cyber-rights.org/foia/. To inaugurate this new section, we are revealing the secretive process in which UK Government policy was influenced by the US Government between November 1996 and January 1997 just before the March 1997 DTI Consultation paper was launched. The documents that are released today detail the US Crypto Czar David Aaron's visit to the UK and these are obtained under the US Freedom of Information Act by the Washington DC based Electronic Privacy Information Center (http://www.epic.org http://www.epic.org). Yaman Akdeniz, Director of Cyber Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) stated that: "In the absence of a Freedom of Information Act, so far, it has not been possible to obtain any documents from the DTI under the Open Government Code of Conduct in relation to the formulation of UK Government policy on encryption. The Aaron files clearly show that the UK government policy was closely co-ordinated with the US despite the claims of a recent Cabinet Office paper which stated that `there has been remarkably little co-ordination of policy on encryption matters' at an international level." Dr Brian Gladman, Technology Policy Adviser for Cyber Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) stated that: "These documents expose just a few of the many international exchanges undertaken in the development of government encryption policies. This is just the `tip of the iceberg' and raises the serious concern that the recent UK Government claim that `there has been remarkably little co-ordination of policy on encryption matters' is a deliberate attempt to mislead the public about the true nature and real intent of UK Government actions in this field." "These documents show that Ambassador David Aaron played the role of a high-tech Johnny Appleseed, travelling the world in First Class to promote US Government key escrow and surveillance policies. The UK is one of the few countries that Aaron was welcomed and the US policy adopted," added David Banisar, Senior Fellow for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington-based public interest group that sued the US government in 1998 under the US Freedom of Information Act to obtain the documents. Notes for the Editors This press release will be available at http://www.cyber-rights.org/foia http://www.cyber-rights.org/foia and this new section launched today will reveal original documents and exchange of letters in relation to the UK Government policy on encryption. The Cyber Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) letter to The Right Honourable Tony Blair, PC, MP, The Prime Minister (June 14, 1999) in relation to UK Government encryption policy is at http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports/blair-letter.htm http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports/blair-letter.htm For a list of Cyber Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) reports and papers see http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports. Contact Information Yaman Akdeniz, Director of Cyber-Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) Telephone: 0498-865116, dial +44 498 865116 if you are abroad. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dr Brian Gladman, Technology Policy Adviser, Cyber Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) Telephone: 01905 748990, dial +44 1905 748990 if you are abroad. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] David Banisar, Senior Fellow, Electronic Privacy Information Center, Telephone: +1 202-544-9240 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Mr. Yaman Akdeniz, Director, Cyber-Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) URL: http://www.cyber-rights.org E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Read the CRCL (UK) Reports at: http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports/ http://www.cyber-rights.org/reports/ ~ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] [SC] re: SkeptiNews 990711a
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] New NIH Study Shows Marijuana Linked To Lethargy. The National Institute of Health [U.S.] released the results of a controversial new study today, one that links the drug marijuana to sitting around and getting high. The study, a comprehensive five-year survey of drug use among Americans, also suggests a possible connection between marijuana and getting baked off your ass. http://www.theonion.com/onion3001w/marijuana.html DuhI wonder how much this little piece of research cost... Hint: check the source of the story. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Friday #1]
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : How could humans have evolved on a planet where we're so susceptible to damage by the sun, by gravity, by the biosphere? Were we (mis) designed, imported, lab-cultured? Obviously, the human body, like everything else in the universe, is a kludge. The inevitable conclusion is, of course, that God is an engineer. A stoned, over-stressed programmer, eh? Wired on adrenaline coffee Southern Comfort, punching away frantically at the project to get it done before Marketing's deadline; which means no time for beta-testing, just fake the acceptance tests and get a signoff - never time to do it right, always time to do it again. So we're Her past effort - written off as a bad job, She's moved on to another project, in another Tiny Cubicle Office Building. How much of the universe was tossed together this way? ALL of it, eh? Maybe that's why everything works so well. Theology as realized by Borland International. Yow. "C isn't a language, it's a disease." --Phillipe Kahn DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty: Myth vs Reality
-Caveat Lector- The days of the family farm are numbered. Here in North Dakota, people who have lived on the land for generations are losing their land because of the machinations of Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland Some of the little rural communities are now ghost towns... and it has the Republican party (which dominates the state) particularly worried. The "Freedom to Farm" Bill was a fiasco. And now with wheat prices depressed and the dumping of Canadian wheat, the family farmers are in trouble. The average age of the typical North Dakota farmer is 59. The young people are leaving the state in droves Corporate farming is the future out here---absentee owners (usually back east) and cheap migrant labor. On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, piper wrote: -Caveat Lector- to the part about In 1992, susbsidies to agriculture amounted to $29 billion, more than was spent on AFDC. 11 Look at who actually gets those susbsidies, very seldom is it the individual farmer. The Pesticide companies, herbicide companies - you get the picture? Piper William Hugh Tunstall wrote: Myth "The poor in this country are the biggest piglets at the mother pig and her nipples...They're the ones who get all the benefits in this country. They're the ones that are always pandered to." Rush Limbaugh, radio talk show host 5 Reality The affluent get more from the government than the poor. In 1992, the government spent $464 billion on entitlements that people receive regardless of their income level, such as Social Security, Medicare, veterans' pensions and retirement, and unemployment insurance. That's about ten times more than was spent on AFDC and Food Stamps in the same year. 6 In 1994, 29% of families with income of $150,000 or more received government benefits averaging more than $16,000 through programs such as Social Security. Families with incomes of less than $10,000, in contrast, received benefits averaging less than $8,000." 7 Aid to Dependent Corporations Myth "Corporate welfare is anti-business as well as anti-taxpayer." Cato Institute 8 Reality Despite criticism, corporate welfare has resisted reform, enjoying enormous support from special interest groups and powerful businesses. The federal government doles out $85 billion yearly in direct subsidy programs to private business, a sum that amounts to about a third of the annual federal budget deficit. 9 The total cost of bailing out failed savings and loan associations over a period of 10 years has been estimated at least $200 billion. 10 In 1992, susbsidies to agriculture amounted to $29 billion, more than was spent on AFDC. 11 Corporations are getting more and more tax breaks. The Office of OMB estimates the cost of tax breaks to corporations and wealthy individuals in $440 billion, more than SEVENTEEN times combined state and federal spending on AFDC. 12 Today, federal taxes paid by corporations average only about 24% of profits, compared with about 45% in the 1950s. 13 As a result, corporations now account for a smaller share of tax revenues, leaving individual taxpayers to make up the difference. In 1995, corporate taxes amounted to only 10% of total federal tax revenue compared with 23% in 1960. 14 Myth "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe." Rush Limbaugh 15 Reality The main reason for lower poverty rates in Europe is simple: Their tax and transfer programs work better than ours. The US devotes a smaller percentage of its GDP to social expenditures than France, Sweden, the UK, or Germany. 16 They also provide much more support for parents than the US does, in the form of family allowances, publicly subsidized child care, and paid family leaves from work. 17 --- 1 Ronald Reagan, State of the Union Address, 1-25-98 2 Republican Study Committee, Running from Reality: How Liberals Can't the Failure of the Welfare State, 5-19-94, p. 1. 3 Federal Register 60, no. 27, 2-9-1995, p. 7772. 4 Christopher Jencks, Rethinking Social Policy, NY, Harper, 1992. p.209. 5 R. Limbaugh, The Way Things.., NY: Pocket Books, 1993, p.41. 6 Statistical Abstract of the US 1994, p. 372. 7 David Hage, America's Other Welfare State, USNewsWorld Report, 4-10-95, p. 34. 8 Stephen Moore, How to Slash Welfare Corporate Welfare, NYTimes, 4-5-95, A25. 9 "Go After Corporate Welfare," NYTimes, 1-17-95, p. A18. 10 Folbhre and the CPE, New Field Guide to the Am Econ., p. 9 11 Center for Responsive Politics, Washington 1994. 12 Chuck Collins, "Aid to Dependent Corporations: Exposing Federal Handouts to the Wealthy," Dollars and Sense, May-June 1995, p. 15. 13 Folbre and the CPE, p.5.12. 14 Budget of the US Government,
Re: [CTRL] Robin Hood Outed
-Caveat Lector- ``The green wood itself is a symbol of virility and the references to arrows, quivers and swords make it clear too,'' he told The Sunday Times. ***This reasoning is a bit of a stretch. Sherwood Forest WAS green and arrows, quivers and swords WERE the weapons of choice at that time. Hilary -- From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Robin Hood "Outed" Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 2:33 PM -Caveat Lector- And so, I suppose, was young King Arthur, Merlin's -uh- protege ? Robin Hood was gay, preferred ``merrie men'' - study By Paul Majendie LONDON, July 11 (Reuters) - England's legendary outlaw Robin Hood was gay, preferring his ``merrie men'' to Maid Marian, a leading English literature professor said on Sunday. The reassessment of one of Britain's greatest folk heroes was greeted by gay activists as a welcome -- if belated -- 'outing'. But the Robin Hood Society said the claims were damaging to one of the great role models for today's children. Stephen Knight, professor of English literature at Cardiff University, decided Robin Hood was gay after studying 14th century ballads that are the earliest known accounts of his deeds. ``The ballads could not say outright that he was gay because of the prevailing moral climate, but they do contain a great deal of erotic imagery,'' he said. ``The green wood itself is a symbol of virility and the references to arrows, quivers and swords make it clear too,'' he told The Sunday Times. He said the ballads showed that Maid Marian -- always described as Robin Hood's true love -- never existed. Knight thinks her name was added by 16th-century authors who wanted the tale of the outlaw who robbed from the rich to give to the poor to be more respectable to heterosexual readers. His theory won backing from Barry Dobson, professor of medieval history at the University of Cambridge. ``In the 12th century, homosexuality was accepted, but in the 13th the church became much less tolerant and such people were driven underground,'' he said. Robin Hood has always been portrayed as a swashbuckling aristocrat who became an outlaw after his lands were confiscated by King John in the 1190s. Peter Tatchell of the gay rights group Outrage was delighted by the new academic speculation: ``His lifestyle alone was enough to provoke speculation. It's about time school history lessons acknowledged the contribution of famous homosexuals.'' But Mary Chamberlain of the Robin Hood Society was outraged: ``Robin remains a highly regarded figure the world over and children like to play at being Robin Hood. These claims could do a lot of damage.'' The Sunday Times concluded that in Hollywood, it was Mel Brooks and not Kevin Costner who had got the story right. ``The revelation flies in the face of Kevin Costner's portrayal of the outlaw in 'Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves' and suggests that the title of Mel Brooks's film 'Robin Hood: Men In Tights' was closer to the mark,'' it said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL
[CTRL] The return of Horus?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Gavin Dingley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 13 July 1999 8:01 Subject: Re: Various Hi Gabriel, here is one more interesting piece to add to the information you have cited below. Tesla, as you probably know, built a transmitting station on Long Island. However what many people don't know is that he sent some people over here (Britain) to find a site for a receiving station in Cornwall. It may be that the path from New York to Cornwall my be the shortest, but I am not sure. I have been to Cornwall and I have to say it is an unusual place, more Mediterranean than British Isles. However it is all very interesting. -- From: Gabriel Liberoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Various Date: 12 July 1999 09:22 Hi All: This comes from my other mailing list. I do not comply with the informatio given here, but I thisn it is worth a reading to give our list a little workout. Regards, Gabriel "From: jim fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- MONTAUK PROJECT DISCUSSION GROUP --- While this story begins many centuries ago, the significance lies in the present. So to begin more currently, just follow and test this out. Aug.12,1943-AT Mon-An-Tol, Cornwall,UK,Aleister Crowley, a practioner of 'magick',head of O.T.O. a very high order of the Freemasons,author of The Book of the Law and the Law of Thelema, performed a ritual with the intent of producing a 'line of rough water'form Cornwall to Montauk Pt. I have as yet not been able to ascertain if he was successful. Aug.12,1943-The Navy goes ahead with the Philadelphia experiment. The result was disasterous. They produced a time transference. Aug.12,1983-The Montauk project crashes. After it had successfully manipulated time and space. As well as mind/behavior control. Aug.12,1999-One day after the last solar eclipse of the millennium,four major constellations will form a Grand Cross/Square in space. With earth at its center. The four constellations are Leo,Taurus,Scorpio and Aquarius. These same four figures make up the Sphinx. They are also directly out of the book of Revelations. Aug.12,1999-At the Great Pyramid of Giza, the Illuminati, a faction of the Freemasons, begin rituals in the preparation of the return of Horus. In attendance will be some of the most significant leaders of the world. Aug.12,1999-A comet, ONLY just discoverd this past April,will complete its trek from behind the sun. This comet fits ALL of the Nostradamus predictions for a comet disaster in 1999.(there is great controversy over this comet. I will post the urls for your perusal). Aug.11,1999-On this date, the last solar eclipse of the millennium occurs. The path of this eclipse is the same path of the 'rough line of water' Crowley wanted to produce in 1943. Furthermore, the shadow of the eclipse will first touch land at Cornwall,UK at 11:11am.(there is volumes to be found on the significance of the number,). Crowley was associated with Wm. Riech. Famous for his theory on 'orgone energy.' The military used him in thier research on weather control. Orgone energy was significant to 'sexual magick practices' by Crowley and others who followed and worshipped the ancient gods. Sexual orgone energy was a primary factor in Montauks projects. The Illuminati are a faction of the Freemasons who want to usher in the 'New World Order.' They believe they will inherit the earth. And they mean to accomplish this by preparing for the return of Horus. Crowleys wife Rose, went into trances to deliver to her husband in- structions from Horus on the means of preparing then way for his return. This all smacks of 'conspiracy.' I am not a conspiracy believer. What I do believe, is that many influential people DO believe and practice rituals according to secrets which have been passed down thru the ages. How could Crowley coincidentally perform a ritual which CONNECTS Montauk to Cornwall(which happens to be a site of ancient occultic practices),at the same time as the Philadelphia experiment,simul- taneously connecting all three via time and space as well as physically? More to come. Jim ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send message containing the word "unsubscribe" to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get a list of valid E-mail commands and instructions on their usage, send message containing the word "help" in the body to the above address. Send any problem reports or questions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Gavin, U.K. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational
Re: [CTRL] Robin Hood Outed
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Robin Hood "Outed" Date: Mon, Jul 12, 1999, 4:33 PM -Caveat Lector- And so, I suppose, was young King Arthur, Merlin's -uh- protege ? Robin Hood was gay, preferred ``merrie men'' - study By Paul Majendie LONDON, July 11 (Reuters) - England's legendary outlaw Robin Hood was gay, preferring his ``merrie men'' to Maid Marian, a leading English literature professor said on Sunday. Is the English prof gay? Doesn't say. Homosexuals are always figuring out some historical figure was gay. The Polish composer Chopin has been claimed to be gay, even though he lived with a woman for many years. Why? Well, his music sounds "gay" or something to that effect. Nicola Tesla has also been claimed by some to be gay, though a gay scientist who knew him is known to have said that he was not. Many men and women who were creative did not marry because they were not attracted to the opposite sex, but rather because the circumstances of their lives prevented them from taking on the responsabilities of marriage. Homosexuals, many of whom seemingly cannot understand the choice of some to forgo sexual pleasures, interpret this as proving that they were homosexuals. Robin Hood was apparently a man who fought along with others a guarilla war against a tyranical government. Whether or not he and his compatriots were homosexual is a ridiculous question which is totally unprovable almost a thousand years later. The fact that some English prof has attempted to draw such a conclussion from such scanty evidence as might be available only shows that he has some agenda to which he has more loyalty than to Truth. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies? [Posse Comitatus Act]
-Caveat Lector- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the reasons why federal law enforcement is becoming "militarized" is in response to the increased number of hate crimes in the country. Whenever you have individuals who are interested in using violence against their fellow citizens because they don't happen to like their sexual preferences, (the Branch Divideans were accused of child molestation) their skin color, (the Branch Divideans were almost 50% black) their religion, (unless you call it a cult, then it seems to be alright to kill everyone in sight) then you have a situation that calls for some kind of government response. Domestic terrorism is on the increase. I'm glad that the government is monitoring the activities of the Klan, Nazis and the like. On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Bard wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Can Soldiers Be Peace Officers? The Waco Disaster and The Militarization of American Law Enforcement" by David B. Kopel and Paul M. Blackman One of the most significant trends of federal law enforcement in the last fifteen years has been its militarization. The logical, perhaps inevitable, consequence of that militarization was seen in the disaster at Waco, Texas, resulting in the deaths of four federal agents, and seventy-six other men, women, and children. In this article, we use the Waco tragedy as a starting point to examine the militarization of federal law enforcement, and similar trends at the state and local level. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies? [Posse Comitatus Act]
-Caveat Lector- I think that what happened at Waco and at Ruby Ridge was criminal... absolute atrocities... But the number of nuts with guns is on the increase..and any government is going to respond. On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the reasons why federal law enforcement is becoming "militarized" is in response to the increased number of hate crimes in the country. Whenever you have individuals who are interested in using violence against their fellow citizens because they don't happen to like their sexual preferences, (the Branch Divideans were accused of child molestation) their skin color, (the Branch Divideans were almost 50% black) their religion, (unless you call it a cult, then it seems to be alright to kill everyone in sight) then you have a situation that calls for some kind of government response. Domestic terrorism is on the increase. I'm glad that the government is monitoring the activities of the Klan, Nazis and the like. On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, Bard wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Can Soldiers Be Peace Officers? The Waco Disaster and The Militarization of American Law Enforcement" by David B. Kopel and Paul M. Blackman One of the most significant trends of federal law enforcement in the last fifteen years has been its militarization. The logical, perhaps inevitable, consequence of that militarization was seen in the disaster at Waco, Texas, resulting in the deaths of four federal agents, and seventy-six other men, women, and children. In this article, we use the Waco tragedy as a starting point to examine the militarization of federal law enforcement, and similar trends at the state and local level. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Encounters
-Caveat Lector- From TheNewStatesman How the CIA plotted against us The NS made the left seem clever. Something had to be done, reports Frances Stonor Saunders Picture"Have you seen Encounter?" Mary McCarthy asked Hannah Arendt in October 1953, after reading the debut issue. "It is surely the most vapid thing yet, like a college magazine got out by long-dead and putrefying undergraduates." McCarthy was not alone in denigrating Encounter. Anthony Hartley, also in October 1953, remarked somewhat prophetically that "it would be a pity if Encounter, in its turn, were to become a mere weapon in the cold war". More mischievous was an item in the Sunday Times's Atticus column, which referred to the magazine as "the police-review of American-occupied countries". And A J P Taylor, writing in the Listener, complained: "There is no article in the [first issue] which will provoke any reader to burn it or even to throw it indignantly into the waste-paper basket. None of the articles is politically subversive . . . All are safe reading for children." It is a measure of Encounter's success that it was able to ride these criticisms and establish itself in the "newborn Euro-American mind" as the leading review of its day. People still remember Nancy Mitford's famous article "The English aristocracy", a bitingly witty analysis of British social mores which introduced the distinction between "U and Non-U". Or Isaiah Berlin's four memorable essays on Russian literature, "A marvellous decade". Or Vladimir Nabokov on Pushkin, Irving Howe on Edith Wharton, David Marquand on "The Liberal revival", stories by Jorge Luis Borges, critical essays by Richard Ellmann, Jayaprakash Narayan, W H Auden, Arnold Toynbee, Bertrand Russell, Herbert Read, Hugh Trevor-Roper - some of the best minds of those decades. The cultural side of Encounter (which political nymphomaniac Melvin Lasky sneeringly referred to as "Elizabeth Bowen and all that crap") thus secured its respectability among the intelligentsia. And yet, when it finally folded in 1991, few were willing to grant it a proper testimonial. It had become gouty, smug, anachronistic. Reeking of the cold war at a time when that conflict was all but exhausted, it had become a "whifflebird", the name one New York intellectual invented for a fabulous creature that "flies backward in ever decreasing circles until it flies up its own asshole and becomes extinct". Encounter's demise can be traced directly to its origins as part of the "high-minded low cunning" of those British and American intelligence agents responsible for running the cultural cold war. Meeting in Whitehall in early 1951, the top echelons of the CIA and MI6 discussed the idea of an "Anglo-American left-of-centre publication" aimed at penetrating the fog of neutralism which dimmed the judgement of so many British intellectuals, not least those close to the New Statesman. What they needed was a voice that could oppose the "soft-headedness" and "terrible simplifications" of Kingsley Martin's magazine, and its "spirit of conciliation and moral lassitude vis-a-vis Communism". The Foreign Office's secret subventions to Tribune had been a gesture in this direction. In April 1950 Malcolm Muggeridge, after meeting its editor Tosco Fyvel, reported that Tribune was "obviously badly on the rocks, and I said that in the interests of the cold war [it] should be kept going as a counterblast to the New Statesman. Developed one of my favourite propositions - that the New Statesman's great success as propagandist had been to establish the proposition that to be intelligent is to be Left, whereas almost the exact opposite is true." The New Statesman and Nation was flourishing, its weekly circulation of 85,000 showing an impressive resilience to attempts to sap its "ideological hegemony". In these pre-Encounter days the CIA was dishing out secret subsidies to Michael Goodwin's journal Twentieth Century, on the specific understanding that it should address itself to rebutting the New Statesman's positions. "I fully agree the New Statesman is an important target, and must be dealt with systematically," Goodwin told his backers in January 1952. But Goodwin's efforts were not enough to satisfy his secret sponsors, who now followed up their Whitehall meetings with a definite proposal for a new magazine. Cleared at the highest levels of the CIA and MI6, the project was passed down the lines and into the hands of three intelligence officers: Michael Josselson, Lawrence de Neufville and Monty Woodhouse. Woodhouse, a dashing, daring spy of the old school, was assigned to the Information Research Department, the Foreign Office's secret ministry of cold war. Josselson and de Neufville were acting under cover of the Congress for Cultural Freedom, the organisation born in Berlin in 1950 as the beachhead from which western culture would be defended against communist
[CTRL] Suspect was member of racist World Church of the Creator
-Caveat Lector- Benjamin Smith, the avowed white supremacist police believed responsible for a series of hate-motivated shootings, belonged to the racist World Church of the Creator until he quit paying dues in May, according to the group's leader, Matt Hale. The East Perioria, Ill.-based organization advocates the deportation of Jews and non-whites and calls for RAHOWA-Racial Holy War. Smith died July 4 of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. Authorities said they believe Smith began his drive-by killing spree in Chicago on July 2 by wounding Orthodox Jews leaving a synagogue. Within an hour, a black former basketball coach was shot to death in nearby Skokie and two Asian-Americans were shot at, but not hit, while driving in Northbrook. The suspect also fired at Asians and blacks in two Illinois cities on July 3, and killed a Korean student outside a Bloomington, Ind., church on July 4. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GOP Loom-ing
-Caveat Lector- Excerpt from San Jose Merc News http://www.mercurycenter.com/premium/front/docs/hoover12.htm Published Monday, July 12, 1999, in the San Jose Mercury News Bush renews think tank's link to high-level GOP policy BY MARY ANNE OSTROM Mercury News Staff Writer In his first Silicon Valley campaign speech earlier this month, Texas Gov. George W. Bush promised he'll have a plan to cut taxes. He then singled out a center table occupied by Hoover Institution fellows that Thursday morning and playfully pleaded, ``Won't we, Taylor, Cogan, Boskin?'' ``Friday afternoon,'' someone shouted back, prompting ripples of laughter in the Palo Alto hotel ballroom. Indeed, last week John Taylor, John Cogan and Michael Boskin -- who worked for Ronald Reagan and Bush's father, among others -- could be found scurrying among their Hoover offices, busily devising what the GOP presidential hopeful ordered. Not since the Reagan era has Stanford University's world-renowned think tank -- founded 80 years ago by a man who himself would become president -- been so intimately linked with a single presidential candidate. Six decades ago, Herbert Hoover dedicated the 285-foot tower at Stanford, saying, ``The purpose of this institution is to promote peace.'' End excerpt Link http://www.hoover.org/ HOOVER INSTITUTION Picture Mission Statement This Institution supports the Constitution of the United States, its Bill of Rights and its method of representative government. Both our social and economic systems are based on private enterprise from which springs initiative and ingenuity. . . . Ours is a system where the Federal Government should undertake no governmental, social or economic action, except where local government, or the people, cannot under-take it for themselves. . . . The overall mission of this Institution is, from its records, to recall the voice of experience against the making of war, and by the study of these records and their publication, to recall man's endeavors to make and preserve peace, and to sustain for America the safeguards of the American way of life. This Institution is not, and must not be, a mere library. But with these purposes as its goal, the Institution itself must constantly and dynamically point the road to peace, to personal freedom, and to the safeguards of the American system. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --- Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
Re: [CTRL] Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democracies?
-Caveat Lector- But the number of nuts with guns Define the term "nuts with guns". is on the increase Define "on the increase." Cite your sources for that so-called "statistic." Show that this (alleged) increase is actual numbers of individuals and not of incidents reported in the media. Correlate the number of individuals with the number of incidents. Define "incident." Correlate the number of incidents with the number of incidents reported in the media. Be specific. Show real numbers. Cite sources. Demonstrate their validity. and any government is going to respond. Demonstrate the (alleged) correlation. Show the actual mechanism of response. Be specific as to what is in fact being responded to, if in fact response is actually what's happening. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution [a bard blast at the thugs]
John Adams. 1735-1826 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --- John Adams A desire to be observed, considered, esteemed, praised, beloved, and admired by his fellows is one of the earliest as well as the keenest dispositions discovered in the heart of man. When people talk of the freedom of writing, speaking or thinking I cannot choose but laugh. No such thing ever existed. No such thing now exists; but I hope it will exist. But it must be hundreds of years after you and I shall write and speak no more. Genius is sorrow's child. Think of your forefathers! Think of your posterity. Yesterday the greatest question was decided which ever was debated in America; and a greater perhaps never was, nor will be, decided among men. A resolution was passed without one dissenting colony, that those United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States. Letter to Mrs. Adams, July 3, 1776. Mr. Webster says of Mr. Adams: "On the day of his death, hearing the noise of bells and cannon, he asked the occasion. On being reminded that it was 'Independent Day,' he replied, 'Independence forever.'"--Works, vol. i. p. 150. Bancroft: History of the United States, vol. vii. p. 65. http://www.posse-comitatus.org/McFadden.html (( Requires WordPad to view. )) Suggest you'all print this for your bedtime reading; thirty-six pages. You may want to consider making copies for your friends, and for those who have been forced to attend a corrupt public school. lol Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! Subject: "The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution" On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden... brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON. The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the Judiciary Committee and has YET TO BE ACTED ON. So, this ELECTRONIC BOOKLET should be reprinted, reposted, set up on web pages and circulated far and wide. Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934 AN ASTOUNDING EXPOSURE Reprinted by permission 1978 Arizona Caucus Club Congressman McFadden's Speech On the Federal Reserve Corporation Quotations from several speeches made on the Floor of the House of Representatives by the Honorable Louis T. McFadden of Pennsylvania. Mr. McFadden, due to his having served as Chairman of the Banking and Currency Committee for more than 10 years, was the best posted man on these matters in America and was in a position to speak with authority of the vast ramifications of this gigantic private credit monopoly. As Representative of a State which was among the first to declare its freedom from foreign money tyrants it is fitting that Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, be again given the credit for producing a son that was not afraid to hurl defiance in the face of the money-bund. Whereas Mr. McFadden was elected to the high office on both the Democratic and Republican tickets, there can be no accusation of partisanship lodged against him. Because these speeches are set out in full in the Congressional Record, they carry weight that no amount of condemnation on the part of private individuals could hope to carry. The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution "Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the Nation's debt. The depredations and iniquities of the Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over. "This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the maladministration of that law by the Fed and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it. "Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of
Re: [CTRL] Little Known History Concerning The Constitution.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe that the Constitution did not replace or repeal the Articles of Confederation. Their provisions are still in effect. The Constitution was an agreement between the states which created another government which had more powers. Those states that did not immediately join the others were left out of that government, but not that created by the Articles of Confederation. US Constitution, Art.VI: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." No mention of Articles of Confederation, is there? It doesn't say, "This Constitution, and Laws of the United States made in Pursuance thereof, and all Treaties, and the Articles of Confederation, shall be the supreme Law of the Land." The Articles aren't mentioned by the Constitution because with the ratification of the Constitution, the Articles were dead, null void, inoperative, poof. The Articles describe the old form of gov't with state sovereignty, the old gov't that didn't work. Confederation didn't work, Federalism HAS worked, however imperfectly. Live with it. Time to move on, eh? Why obsess over a failed 18th-century gov't at the start of the 21st century? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Human Development Report
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.undp.org/hdro/ HUMAN DEVELOPMENT REPORT 1999 I believe that if communities wait for governments to get their acts together this isn't going to happen very gracefully. There is an old common law principle associated with juries called a visionage (sp). I believe it means all the neighbors you can see from within a few steps of your house. I think this boundary should be applied to planning for and implementing self government and self reliance at the community level. Larger groups become unrepresentative and majoritarian. Smaller groups lack critical resources. I tend to view rural urban mixes as better models than states or nation states. Jane Jacobs, in her books Death and Life of Great American Cities and Cities and the Wealth of Nations put forth a better model with which to think about society and organize it. I know this will be viewed by most as preposterous and may be an unrealistic approach but dammit the other options are infinitely worse. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Suspect was member of racist World Church of the Creator
-Caveat Lector- Smith began his drive-by killing spree in Chicago on July 2 by wounding Orthodox Jews leaving a synagogue. Within an hour, a black former basketball coach was shot to death in nearby Skokie and two Asian-Americans were shot at, but not hit, while driving in Northbrook. The suspect also fired at Asians and blacks in two Illinois cities on July 3, and killed a Korean student outside a Bloomington, Ind., church on July 4. Speaking of "nuts with guns" ! Is this guy a case or what? Let's think about that for a minute, shall we? I doubt how valid it is to reason that somebody with a differing religious and/or political world view from my (or our) own must be, by virtue of that view, or even by virtue his actions in support of that view, is a "nut." (1.) It clouds our own assessment of what we are really up against. (2) Opinions vary. To some folks, this guy is a war hero and WE'RE the "nuts." On the other hand seeing as how (not surprisingly) not a single one of this guy's victims was in any way protected or assisted by the police or by any other government agency, that whether he is or is not a nut or a war hero is pretty much beside the point. The chief relevant lesson of this case (among many others) is that as long as there are guys like this, let alone an army of them (and there clearly IS an army of them and they are clearly at war with the rest of us), it would GREATLY behoove the rest of us to possess the means by which to defend ourselves. There is a name for people who wait around for the police to protect them. They are called "victims." It is foolhardy to not believe in ROHOWA simply because you disagree with its aims and dislike its practitioners. The wise believe in what is real whether they like it or not. ROHOWA is real, all too real. There is a civil war going on in America today. The fascist/racist/fundamentalist alliance is at WAR with us. They shoot people. They blow up buildings. They wreck trains. That's war. They are at WAR with us. It's ugly and I don't want to believe it either, but it IS the truth of the matter. Face it. Act accordingly. When someone is at war with us, anyone, that means that like it or not, we are also at war with them. There are things worse than war. Chief of them is losing a war. This war is one we cannot afford to lose. So far it is a "low intensity conflict" and casualties on our side have been relatively low, a minuscule percentage of our number. Nevertheless, if it's YOU who are a casualty, it's 100% of you. Fight BACK. Defend yourself. Do NOT depend on the government to protect you from these people. (1.) Government efforts against them has been token at best and virtually ineffectual over all. (2.) Evidence has accrued progressively for years now that elements of the government are arming and assisting these people under the table. In some cases it appears that they are actually leading them by way of agents provocateur. The government is treating these people EXACTLY the way it treated leftist militia a generation, in short, manipulating them from the inside and using them for its own ends. Think about this. Fascist/racist/fundamentalist militias with friends in high places are waging guerilla war against people like us. What better reason could there be to own guns and know how to use them? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jesus is Fiction?
-Caveat Lector- Point of clarification: I wasn't referring to the Price document in the subject heading, I was referring to a document called The Archko Volume. There has been a thread going on priory-of-sion about this document. Tenorlove --- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/99 3:36:04 AM, you wrote: There is debate about the validity of the document. There is no debate. It is a fraud. Myself I believe that there was a nazarite named 'Jesus' and that intelligence is ordered/chaos perspectively porportioned. And Time moves on . . . Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Contaminated breast milk
-Caveat Lector- Sounds to me like a conspiracy put forth by the formula companies to sell formula. For more information: Baumslag, Naomi, and Dia Michels. Milk, Money, and Madness: The Culture and Politics of Breastfeeding. Westport, CT. Bergin Garvey, 1995. ISBN 0-89789-407-3 Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: SNET: [piml] Missouri 51st. Militia on Discovery Channel Tonight
-Caveat Lector- Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: [piml] Missouri 51st. Militia on Discovery Channel Tonight - SNETNEWS Mailing List The Discovery Channel, 8PM EST, Monday, will air a documentary on the Missouri 51st. Militia. Jeff Apply for a NextCard credit card: Save Money with a low intro rate and no annual fee. Make Shopping Easy with Safe Shopping Guarantees, 1 Click Shopping and Double Rewards. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/448 (PIML)is a service to help inform those who have an active interest in returning our federal and state governments to limited, constitutional government. For subscription info, go to: http://www.egroups.com/list/pimll - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990712d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No application programmers were harmed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # ET life sought. HAT CREEK, Calif. (AP) On a high desert plain, astronomer Jack Welch looks at the sky and wonders. For years he's studied the stars, uncovered the secrets of their distant fire. Now, as the 1st professor to hold a new chair dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial intelligence at the University of California at Berkeley, Welch is embarking on a new venture - listening for the alien civilizations that may lie beyond the stars. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560262401-7e6 : Do ETs represent a new frontier for marketers? What can we sell them? Do we have anything aliens are interested in, other than our flesh? Why not?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Klingons Take It Off. Online voyeurs feeling the ennui of seeing the same old naked humans again and again might consider sneaking a peak at some Klingons in the buff. Warriors of the Empire http://hotink.com/warriors/ offers an intimate look at the private lives of Klingondom's sexier babes and studs. http://www.wired.com/news/news/tip/culture/story/20651.html # Trekkies: Get a Life: http://wired.com/news/news/culture/story/19830.html : Which aliens do you most/least like to see naked? Do you mind if they see you naked? Do you practice/prefer/demand rishathra? Which Klingon's hottest? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Supremacist group probed. EAST PEORIA, Ill. (AP) A white supremacist group linked to a 4th of July weekend shooting spree is under investigation for possible violations of state tax and charities regulations. The group's leader says it needn't pay taxes because it's a church. Illinois agencies launched probes into the East Peoria-based World Church of the Creator. Suspected gunman Benjamin Nathaniel had been a member of the group. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560267321-fc0 # Also: Hate crimes summit planned - increased pressure for legislation: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560265027-d15 : Does your church pay taxes? Should all churches pay taxes? Why not? Are taxes certain, like death? Would you rather die, pay taxes, or both? Are death taxes divine will? Is failure to pay taxes disobedience to a deity? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # THE DEBATE OVER DNA EVIDENCE. A federal commission says it's too soon for authorities to begin collecting DNA samples from everyone charged with a crime. Privacy advocates say it's just a matter of time. Sample me now: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/20670.html # WOUND-UP DEFCON WINDS DOWN. DefCon 7 wraps with media-hacker showdowns and high-energy presentations. Next challenge: hacking the fed DNA databases: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20671.html : Do you prefer to hack electronic or genetic data? Do you prefer silicon or carbon-based virus design? Is your DNA tamper-proof, V-Chip protected, old? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Egyptian temple moving to new site. CAIRO (AP) Egypt will move a 2,600- year-old Pharaonic temple to a new site to protect it from the ravages of rising ground water. It will be the largest project of the kind in Egypt since the temple of Ramses II in Abu Simbel was dismantled and reerected in 1968 to protect it from flooding by the creation of Lake Nasser behind the Aswan High Dam. The temple, 310 miles south of Cairo, was first built by King Bsmatik II of the 24th Pharaonic dynasty around 660 B.C. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560268580-f54 : Should any of your temples be moved? Is anyplace on Earth safe from meteor strikes, solar flares, alien devastation? Why not just build a new temple?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # USSR PLANNED TO ATOM BOMB MOON. HAD SOVIET astronauts been first to land on the Moon, they might have done more than just plant a flag. They had considered detonating an atom bomb, in an explosion that would be visible from Earth, to prove they were there before their rivals. Nuke the moon: http://www.independent.co.uk/atp/INDEPENDENT/NEWS/P5S2.html : What planet or satellite would you like to nuke? Do you need to file an environmental impact statement first? Is this considered a hostile act?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Nazi Moon Bases - HALF A CENTURY OF THE GERMAN MOON BASE, 1942 - 1992. The Germans landed on Luna as early as probably 1942, utilizing their larger exoatmospheric rocket saucers of the Miethe and Schriever type. The Miethe rocket craft was built in diameters of 15 and 50 meters, and the Schriever Walter turbine powered craft was designed as an interplanetary exploration vehicle. It had a diameter of 60 meters, had 10
[CTRL] Egypt-Bible Connection -ADR
-Caveat Lector- from: http://vvv.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/illuminati/ Egypt-Bible-Connection.txt News: alt.prophecies.nostradamus,alt.religion.islam From: "ADR" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 25 May 1999 Subj: The mysteries revealed for free by ADR Red cross = On the chest of Osiris Cross = the arms of Osiris The Grail = The recipticle of Osiris seed, Isis The Child born of the Virgin = Horus, the Earth The Virgin = Isis, Venus (Isis is a five pointed star) The resurrected god-man = Osiris, the asteroid belt, or Rakhiya in hebrew (Osiris is a six pointed star) The Traitor, Judas = Seth, Mars The waters of eternal life = Depicted in Egyptian art, the Pharaoh recieving life giving waters from vessels or thin grail cups, the life giving waters bear little crosses called Ankhs YHWH = Yset, Hathor, Wesir, Horus Rennes-le-chateau area = ancient Jewish site where Isis and Osiris were worshipped, later replaced by Christian churches and seemingly heretical thought. The pentagon and hexagon in the landscape represent the god and goddess. A man has six extremities, a woman has five. Jesus = not seen as an important person. Secret societies revere John the Baptist just to insult Jesus, whose name is actually unknown and was called an Egyptian false prophet by Josephus and Ormus by the Freemasons Ormus = The 'm' in the word is the sign for Virgo, the rest of the word spells Orus. Orus the son of Virgo. David/Dawood = the Pharaoh Tuthmosis III and IV, combined into one mythical character with lots of fiction added on top Moses = Didn't exist. He is used a literary device so that the writers may equate the creation of ancient Israel with the creation of the world. Genesis says that God split the waters above from the waters below to create the world. In Exodus, the sea splits and New Israel emerges on the other side. Israel = Didn't exist prior to the alleged Babylonian exile. Many tribes were conquered by the Assyrians and then they eventually came under Persian custody. The Persians needed unity under their empire and gave all the exiled people a united history, identity, country and a single god to keep them from bickering. Did the Pharaoh chase Israelites? = It never happened. The Persians invented this to turn their newly created people against the Egyptians who were enemies of the Persians. If anything, the Egyptians had always sought to bring order to Canaan and protect them from the Hittites. Doubting Thomas = Tammuz was the Phoenician version of Osiris, thus Tammuz was his twin and thats the clue given in the Gospels, Thomas the twin. Solomon = Amenhotep III Hiram Abif = Amehotep son of Hapu Et in Arcadia Ego Sum = 'Even in Paradise I, Death, am there'. Also written in the Bhagavad Gita 'Even in the world of Brahma, there is death.' Koran = book of lies, from the front page to the last page. Israel on Merenptah Stele = Probably a badly spelt Hazor. This bad spelling was later used as Israel. Hazor was destroyed at that time. Israel, according to the Bible, was not. The bull = venerated for thousands of years across so many different cultures. Prayers and offerings were made to the bull or it's horns by the people of Catal Huyuk, Anatolia, Babylonia, Sumer, Egypt, Minoa, The Indus Valley and Hindus. Why? What was this bull in the heavens? Or does it represent celestial objects like asteroids, that slam into each other like bulls? The cross = 'By this sign thou shalt conquer HIM.' Constantine apparently saw a golden cross in the sky which told him this message, but secret societies have added 'HIM' to the end of the sentence. Who is this 'him'? It is the judge Osiris. The cross in this case represents a possible way to divert asteroid collisions in the future by intercepting the path of it, 'crossing its path'. X really does mark the spot! I have made some calculations regarding how often the Oort cloud or the asteroid belt releases large amounts of celestial debris. It seems to happen at regular intervals and it seems very apparent that the study of astronomy and astrology began in order to calculate these events. It has to do with the movement of the galaxy and the Oort cloud in relation to the solar system, and also fluctuations of the Sun and its effect upon the asteroid belt. It was these things the ancient priestly caste were measuring. Shiva, Lord of Destruction sits on a white bull. But it's in his guise as Natraj, Lord of the Dance, that we see another clue. He stands with one leg 'crossed' over the other at 90 degrees. One arm reaches upwards and the other arm is reaching straight sideways. Again, we see a cross. His body is forming a cross within a large belt of celestial objects. The oldest flood myths do not say that Mr. God sent a flood to destroy man kind in an instant. They say that the gods in the heavens (planets) were arguing. There followed a famine that
Re: [CTRL] Jesus is Fiction?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/99 4:12:09 PM, you wrote: I was referring to a document called The Archko Volume The Archko document is a fraud. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Babylonian Brotherhood -Icke
-Caveat Lector- from: http://vvv.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/illuminati/The_Biggest_Secret.txt Note, that this is the same story as in Star Wars - The Phantom Menace! *** News: alt.fan.john-winston,alt.conspiracy From: "John F. Winston" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 09 May 1999 00:00:00 GMT Subj: There's Just Something About Hercules. Subject: There's Just Something About Hercules.May 8, 1999. I've always been interested in Hercules and Sampson. I even like to watch the TV show about Herc although it contains a lot of violence and doesn't make much sense. Here is something that my friend Winifred sent me that was sent to her to get her opinion on the material. ... ... From: Winifred Subject: BABALON RISING! Subject: The Babylonian Brotherhood From: Space Captain Organization: ALICE I am reading a new book called "The Biggest Secret" by David Ickee. It is blowing my mind. This is one chapter which I scanned in and had OCR turn it to text. So if there are spelling and whatever problems, please understand. I'm curious of your opinion. LOVE Anjon/Shawn The Babylonian Brotherhood, as the flood waters receded after the Venus cataclysm, the survivors came down from the mountains and up from within the Earth. They settled on the lowlands and plains and began to rebuild. This was when Sumer, Egypt and the civilization in the Indus Valley suddenly appeared at a very high level of technological advancement, although they had existed before and were now restored after the upheavals. The Sumerian society began at the peak of its development because of this sudden infusion of knowledge and the wh-te A-yan race, originally from Mars, expanded out from the Caucasus Mountains and the Near East down into Sumer, Egypt and the Indus Valley where, as even conventional history agrees, highly advanced societies spontaneously emerged. However within this whi-e race, and others also, was a genetic stream I will call reptile-Ary-n or reptile-human. Whenever I use the term Arya- I am referring to the whit- race. These were the crossbreed bloodlines created from the genetic manipulation of the Anunnaki. The major center for the reptile-A-yan bloodlines, in the ancient world after the flood waters receded, was Babylon in the south of the Sumer region alongside the River Euphrates. A closer look at the evidence appears to date the foundation of Babylon far earlier than previously believed and it was one of the first cities of the post-flood era. It was here that the mystery schools and secret societies were formed which were to span the globe in the thousands of years that followed. The Brotherhood which controls the world today is the modern expression of the Babylonian Brotherhood of reptile-A-yan priests and "royalty" which came together there after the flood. It was in Babylon in this post flood period from around 6,000 years ago that the foundation beliefs - manipulated beliefs of today's world religions were established to control and rule the people. The founder of Babylon according to ancient texts and legend was Nimrod who reigned with his wife, Queen Semiramis. Nimrod was described as a "mighty tyrant" and one of the "giants". The Arabs believed that after the flood it was Nimrod who built or rebuilt the amazing structure at Baalbek in the Lebanon with its three stones weighing 800 tons each. It was said that he ruled the region that is now Lebanon and, according to Gen-sis, the first centers of Nimrod's kingdom were Babylon, Akkad and others in the land of Shinar (Sumer). Later he expanded further into Assyria to build cities like Nineveh where many of the Sumerian Tablets were found. Nimrod and Semiramis (or the beings those names symbolized) were from the reptile bloodlines which also became known as Titans, the genetic streams of the reptile-possessed humans and the full blood reptilians. This race of "giants" or "Titans" was said to have been descendants of Noah, the baby described in the Book of Enoch (previously the Book of Noah) as being a Watcher-human hybrid with extremely wh-te skin. The father of Nimrod in the text of G-nesis was Cush, also known as Bel or Belus, who was was the grandson of Noah and son of Ham. Cush became known as the deity, Hermes, which means son of Ham. Ham or Khem means the "burnt one" and may have been connected to Sun worship. A great network of deities emerged from Babylon and its connections with Egypt. Nimrod and Semiramis have remained the key deities of the Brotherhood to this day under many different names and symbols. Nimrod was symbolized as a fish and Queen Semiramis as a fish and a dove. Semiramis is likely to be symbolic of Ninkharsag, the creator of the
[CTRL] 'Dubba' Bush
-Caveat Lector- from: http://nhprimarysource.com/html/bush.html A HREF="http://nhprimarysource.com/html/bush.html"Bush/A - --if George, Sr. was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple, Dubba was born on home plate and is just waiting for the umpire to call him safe.-- -- George Dubba Bush scooped a long list of valuable urls, paying the 70 bucks per and claiming them as his own -- addresses such as BushSucks.com, BushBlows.com, EatMeBush.com, now all belong to George Dubba. Other urls acquired by the net-savvy Texan are BushWhitman, Bush Engler, BushPataki and BushRidge. He didn't pony-up for BushDole or BushMcCain, or even BushQuayle, which has a nice nostalgic ring-- Om K - Click Here to Visit our Sponsor But Was She Dubba's Connection in Colombia? Tallahassee, FLA, 6/21/99 Columba Bush, wife of Gov. Jeb Bush, mother of Pres.George Bush's ``little brown" grandchildren and the sister-in-law of George Dubba Bush,was fined last week for smuggling. After a shopping trip to Paris, Mrs. Bush failed to declare $19K worth of designer clothing. Must have slipped her mind. She paid a $4100 fine, which is equal to three times the amount of duty she would have paid if she weren't a cheating, cretinous member of the ruling class too good to pay taxes like the ``regular people" her dim-witted brother-in-law enjoys patronizing. Whew. New Castle, 6/14/99 -- George Dubba Bush began the NH Primary campaign at low tide in a fog today on the island of New Castle. Dubba claimed he came to rub up against ``regular folks." How many he found here in the wealthiest community in the state is anybody's guess, but I didn't see any. The herd of TV crews from as far away as Germany numbered around 50, the traveling press filled two greyhound buses, and the campaign staff ran out of press credentials. Mine was a photocopy, which gave one of Dubba's Texas Rangers license to grab me by the neck and demand to know where I got it. Fortunately he had to straight-arm a photographer who was getting too close to the Dubba, and I slipped away. The New Castle gig was billed as a breakfast it turned out to be a Tex-Brex Bring Your Own Cow Pie. As my sainted mother once told me, the poor will feed you till you burst, but you're lucky to get two-day old bread out of the rich. Bush's NH speech was the same one he gave in Iowa two days before, touting his doctrine of ``compassionate conservativism." He said it a half-dozen times. There's an extra syllable in there; how conservative can the guy be if he can't even pronounce it? The word is conservatism, not conservativism. Maybe it's his Texas drawl producing that extra syllable, as in, he's full of shee-it. Dubba also said his presidential campaign would leave the ``trash mouth politics of the past behind," referring I suppose, to the deadly negative personal attacks he made against Gov. Ann Richards in 1994, or perhaps to his father's characterization of Clinton and Gore in 1992 as ``a couple of Bozos." Joe Andrews, the new Chairman of the DNC, was on the grassy knoll behind Dubba's coming out party giving interviews. He had a copy of the children's book ``Curious George" to explain Dubba's presidential ambitions. But as thing stand now, unless he turns out to be Bi-Curious George, Dubba will be the Republican nominee. Portsmouth, 6/10/99 Sugar Lips Dole spoke to the Seacoast Board of Realtors last night and even that bunch of stiffs were so bored that they bolted as soon as her syrupy, over-scripted drawling stopped. Maybe they hurried home to see the Arts and Entertainment Network's Biography episode on George Dubba Bush or should I say AE's Blowjobography on the Dubba? Talk about lame. We learned that Dubba was a bad student (which didn't keep him out of Andover, Yale or Harvard Business School), but a good son; he's cheap; when he was young and irresponsible, he was young and irresponsible (who isn't sick of hearing that?), and; he's a good dad who uses his wife and daughters as political props. In one hour, Blowjobography spent two minutes on Dubba's party boy past and one minute on his irrefutable practice of insider trading at Harkin Oil (the company that bought his Arbusto Oil company and kept him on as highly paid consultant). A full twenty seconds were spent on questions about how a third-rate company like Harkin beat out Amoco for a hugely lucrative contract in Bahrain. Blowjobography unwittingly made one thing clear: if George, Sr. was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple, Dubba was born on home plate and is just waiting for the umpire to call him safe. ButGoreSucksToo.com Austin, TX-- George Dubba Bush scooped a long list of valuable urls, paying the 70 bucks per and claiming them as his own -- addresses such as BushSucks.com, BushBlows.com, EatMeBush.com, now all belong to George Dubba. Other urls acquired by the net-savvy Texan are BushWhitman, Bush Engler, BushPataki and BushRidge. He didn't pony-up for BushDole or BushMcCain,
[CTRL] Gore Proposes Special ID Cards To Buy Guns
-Caveat Lector- Monday July 12 7:08 PM ET Gore Proposes Special ID Cards To Buy Guns By Thomas Ferraro BOSTON (Reuters) - Vice President Al Gore called for a tightening of federal gun laws Monday as he moved to draw sharp differences on the issue between himself and Republican presidential front-runner George W. Bush. Gore, the Democratic presidential front-runner, proposed creation of a nationally mandated, state-run program that would require gun buyers to have a photo license to prove they are eligible to have such a weapon. Bush, as Texas governor, does not favor gun registration. He has also supported legislation, backed by the National Rifle Association, to protect gun makers from lawsuits, and ease restrictions on carrying a concealed weapon. Without mentioning Bush by name, Gore said, ``There are too many political leaders who take their marching orders from the gun lobby.'' ``I call upon you to join with me to create a family lobby that is greater and more powerful than the gun lobby so we can get the guns away from children and criminals,'' Gore said outside Boston police headquarters to a crowd of a few hundred people, who included top city officials. As vice president, Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate earlier this year in favor of a bill that would have required a three-day waiting period for purchase of a gun at a gun show and safety locks on firearms. Bush opposed the measure, which was ultimately defeated in the House of Representatives. The Texas governor said safety locks should be voluntary and favored a one-day rather than three-day waiting period to buy a handgun at a gun show. Gore's only Democratic challenger, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey, has also proposed tougher gun laws including registration of handguns and outlawing so-called ``Saturday night specials,'' the cheap handguns said to be a weapon of choice for many criminals. Tony Wyche, Bradley's deputy press secretary, said: ``We are very happy that the vice president has started to support our proposal on gun control.'' ``But he should have gone further'' in also endorsing Bradley's call for handgun registration and a ban on gun dealers in residential neighborhoods, Wyche added. Mindy Tucker, Bush's campaign press secretary, dismissed Gore's proposal as unwarranted and defended the Texas governor's record on firearms. ``Gov. Bush believes the best way to reduce gun violence is to strictly prosecute those who commit crimes with a gun,'' she said. ``He has consistently supported instant background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and juveniles.'' ``While Gov. Bush has enacted tougher penalties for gun- related crimes in Texas, the Clinton-Gore administration has failed to prosecute gun-related offenses across the nation.'' Gore recommended tougher gun controls as part of a package which also included steps to bolster the court system, crack down on illegal drugs and pass a constitutional amendment to safeguard the rights of crime victims. Under his proposed gun registration system, a person would have to get a license to buy a firearm. The license, bearing the person's picture, would show passage of a background check, clearance of criminal charges, freedom from mental illness and a knowledge of gun safety. ``We require a license to drive a car in this nation to keep unsafe drivers off the road,'' Gore said. ``Now we should require a license to own a handgun so people who shouldn't have them can't get them.'' ``I make this pledge today,'' Gore said. ``If the people of this country entrust me with the presidency, I will fight to protect American families by launching the most effective and comprehensive anti-crime strategy our nation has ever seen.'' He said, ``For all the challenges we face in the fight against crime, there is one that looms over the rest: it is too easy for a child or a criminal to get a gun in America.'' Gore said the gun lobby was ``sure to have a fit'' about his proposals, but ``to me it is more than worth it.'' ``I respect the rights of qualified gun owners, but we have lost too many children to have our safety held hostage by the gun lobby,'' he said. Gore's proposal, in addition to the license requirement would also ban cheap handguns often used in violent crimes, increase penalties for knowingly selling a gun to someone who is ineligible to have one and require gun makers and federally licensed sellers to report gun sales to state authorities. -- "Those who want to hear the voice of pagan gods in wind or thunder, who want to see the fairies dance in the moonlight, who can believe that faith can move mountains, can follow the thread on the pages of this book. It is a fragile thread; it cannot bear the weight of facts and dates" -Kate Seredy, "The White Stag" ICQ: 9815080 Operator Taliesin_2 of #SacredNemeton on IRC PaganPaths DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
Re: [CTRL] 'Dubba' Bush
-Caveat Lector- At this point, I'd vote for ANYONE who would put Christie Whitman in as a running mate. At least as VP, she can't screw over taxpayers quite as badly as she's done in NJ. It's time for some "new" corrupt politicians (pardon the redundancy). Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Suspect was member of racist World Church of the Creator
-Caveat Lector- William, I am truly sorry for the unpleasant experience you and your family had with "skinheads." I do, however, take exception to your allotting them to my state of Alabama and the state of my birth, Georgia. I do hope you are not implying that they would blend in in these areas of the deep south, but that is what it rather sounds like from your "neo-confederacy" remarks. I think this may be painting us Southerners with a rather broad brush. I am weary of being called "red-neck" and "hillbilly" by people from more "enlightened" regions of this country, especially by those to whom the term might more aptly be a description of themselves than those they are denigrating. I do not, however, judge a whole region by the behavior of a few. I believe I noticed more people who appeared to be "skinheads" in California that I have ever seen closer to home. I lived in southern Illinois for five years where I was often told "You'uns say ya'll, don't youse." This is not a regional problem. I think the stereo-types of tv and movies frequently have a Southern accent because it makes for good theater, the same reason many singers affect one. Again, I am sorry that it happened to you but please be assured it happens in other areas. It did to me in the midwest with one of my children and also in NYC in the garment district when I worked there years ago. Again to same son from opposite extreme when he attended school in DC with Alabama license plate. Go figure. Amelia PS Remember, too, that Tennessee is the "Volunteer State" for a reason as regards war efforts. - Original Message - From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Suspect was member of racist World Church of the Creator -Caveat Lector- I don't disagree with you, n. As a matter of fact, skinheads did not become a reality in my life until one day, when I was living in Kentucky, I accompanied my family to the supermarket near where we were living. It was a sunny afternoon, just another peaceful southern day in dear old Dixie, or so I thought. My wife and my children were crossing the parking lot when a gang of skinheads in a dilapidated Chevrolet cut in front of us. Since I'm of English and Native American descent, I look vaguely hispanic..but my wife and one of my children look recognizably hispanic. Needless to say, these "Aryan warriors" quickly went into their routine of name-calling and jeering, mouthing the few Spanish words that they knew. The morons thought they were hurling insults in Spanish--but they couldn't pronounce the words correctly. Now, you can imagine my feelings. I am a son of a disabled veteran who took several hits of shrapnel for this country on Omaha Beach. I'm descended from twelve generations of Americans... the first European member of my family landed in Virginia in the seventeenth century.. and my Native American ancestors have been here long before the ancestors of these twits got the brilliant idea of leaving their hovels in the old country. After a few words were exchanged, I quickly got my wife and kids safely into the car when a police officer arrived on the scene, sending the skins on their way. My family was understandably shaken. And I had to explain to my children how race is still an issue in the consciousness of millions of Americans. But it's sad that my children who, by the way, write poetry, love classical music, and get straight "A"'s at school, have to live in a country in which they can be accosted at any time by bigots. After that incident, I decided to arm myself. When the safety of your family is at stake, you have little choice. The level of insanity in this country seems to be escalating. Personally, I would like to see all of these separatists, neo-confederates, feudalists of various stripes, racists, hatemongers of various persuasions form their own separate little country They could elect Trent Lott or Bob Barr as their President or Chairmanperhaps call their paradise- Dixie Land...no that sounds too much like a theme park. Well, I'm sure they could come up with a name..and just leave the rest of us alone. Why not give them Alabama Georgia Florida... they would be happy there, I'm sure...plenty of sunshine... On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Smith began his drive-by killing spree in Chicago on July 2 by wounding Orthodox Jews leaving a synagogue. Within an hour, a black former basketball coach was shot to death in nearby Skokie and two Asian-Americans were shot at, but not hit, while driving in Northbrook. The suspect also fired at Asians and blacks in two Illinois cities on July 3, and killed a Korean student outside a Bloomington, Ind., church on July 4. Speaking of "nuts with guns" ! Is this guy a case or what? Let's think about that for a minute, shall we? I
Re: [CTRL] The return of Horus?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/99 1:31:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aug.11,1999-On this date, the last solar eclipse of the millennium occurs. The path of this eclipse is the same path of the 'rough line of water' Crowley wanted to produce in 1943. Furthermore, the shadow of the eclipse will first touch land at Cornwall,UK at 11:11am.(there is volumes to be found on the significance of the number,). from: http://www.registerguard.com/news/19990712/2b.cr.keseytour.0712.html A HREF="http://www.registerguard.com/news/19990712/2b.cr.keseytour.0712.html"Th e Register-Guard: Kesey, Pranksters and bus s /A - --The highlight will be Aug. 11, when the final solar eclipse of the millennium occurs over Great Britain. Kesey and the Pranksters, dressed in onion sacks for chain mail, will do their ``Search for Merlin'' thing portraying knights of the Not-So-Round Table in the dramatic outdoor setting of the Minack Theater, perched over the Atlantic on the rocky coast near Land's End. The gig - starting at the 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month - will feature the Thunder Machine, the melding of an old Thunderbird fender, piano strings, smoke maker and remix gear that is a Prankster standby and veteran of Grateful Dead concerts. ``We won't be able to bring the bus on stage, but this we will,'' Kesey said, showing off a clip of a boisterous Thunder Machine jam session. ``Once that thing is playing, everything is up for grabs.'-- Om K - July 12, 1999 Kesey, Pranksters and bus set for U.K. gig By JEFF BARNARD The Associated Press PLEASANT HILL - A smile of dreamy delight plays over Ken Kesey's face as he clicks a computer mouse to play home movies of his 1964 bus trip across America, chronicled in ``The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.'' Feeling dropped off in the dust by his publisher with no new bestseller in sight, the author of ``One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'' and ``Sometimes a Great Notion'' is undaunted. He's hitting the road again with his band of pals, the Merry Pranksters, taking the latest incarnation of his magic bus on a ``Search for Merlin'' tour of Great Britain to celebrate the last solar eclipse of the millennium. Along the way, he's creating an ending and a wider audience for these old home movies. ``It's like (Jerry) Garcia said, `The '60s ain't over 'til the fat lady gets high,' '' Kesey said with a laugh. Sitting before a pair of video monitors where he edits the reel-upon-reel of film transferred to tape from the bus trip that became an icon of the '60s, Kesey, 63, still gets a kick out of watching the stream-of-consciousness rap-babble of ``On The Road'' wheelman Neal Cassidy. ``There's something about Cassidy that keeps this nation moving and meeting itself,'' Kesey marveled as he watched the man immortalized in Jack Kerouac's novel of another cross-country ramble get up from the wheel, leaving the bus to find its own path through the desert for a while. ``He's an avatar,'' the embodiment of those bygone times, he said. For Kesey, the ``Search for Merlin'' tour continues the same journey, though in a different light. In 1964, the nation was mourning the death of President Kennedy. Kesey was a literary lion fresh from the blockbuster success of ``Cuckoo's Nest,'' and had just finished ``Notion.'' Filled with hope despite the demise of Camelot, Kesey and pals painted an old school bus with psychedelic swirls of color. The destination sign on the front of the bus was inscribed with the word ``Further.'' They headed east to the New York World's Fair with jugs of LSD punch to light the way. Using these same home movies, Tom Wolfe chronicled the trip in his book ``The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.'' In the now, the nation mourns President Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. Kesey hasn't produced a solo novel since ``Sailor Song'' in 1992, and the only publisher he has ever known turned loose his longtime editor. Camelot died with Kennedy and Kesey and his pals are looking for the lost wizard. A documentary crew is wrapping the old home movies in with the ``Merlin'' tour for a piece for British television. Viking Penguin still has most of Kesey's titles in print, and plans to bring out his jail journals from a 1965 drug bust in the fall of 2000, said Paul Slovak, the vice president for publicity who has taken over as Kesey's editor. But the author feels alienated by the loss of editor David Stanford. ``It's like getting a divorce or buying a new tractor,'' said Kesey, taking a break from mowing hay at his farm. Stanford is still working on Kesey's manuscript for ``Seven Prayers by Grandma Whittier,'' a fictional encounter with his grandmother as she slides into Alzheimer's disease. An agent is promoting the manuscript. Kesey also wants to write an autobiography told through the voices of animals. But there is no new novel growing inside his head or his heart. ``I am a homeless author since they fired my ed
[CTRL] Fwd: Iran
___ What's going on in your world? Find Out. Visit Stratfor's Global Intelligence Center http://www.stratfor.com/world/default.htm ___ OTHER FEATURES ON STRATFOR.COM Prince Sultan Raises eyebrows in Washington http://www.stratfor.com/cis/commentary/9907130030.htm Taiwan's State-To-State Comments May Stem From Potential Beijing Fractures http://www.stratfor.com/asia/specialreports/special25.htm Khmer Rouge Redux http://www.stratfor.com/asia/commentary/c9907122000.htm Failed FARC Offensive Could Spark Reversal of Peace Talks http://www.stratfor.com/world/Commentaries/w9907121915.htm Manila Attempts to Address Rebel Problem from the Edges http://www.stratfor.com/asia/commentary/c9907121815.htm __ STRATFOR.COM Global Intelligence Update July 13, 1999 Iranian Student Unrest Threatens to Get Out of Control SUMMARY Iran's students have taken to the streets to protest press restrictions imposed by the country's conservative religious leadership. However, while the demonstrations began as a reflection of the struggle between moderate President Mohammad Khatami and conservative Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, they have taken on a life of their own. As such, both leaders have moved to bring an end to the disruptions. Who brings the demonstrations under control and by what means will have as much impact on Iran's power struggle as the demonstrations themselves. If Khatami can rein in the students, he has a powerful bargaining chip. If he cannot, Khamenei can argue that his reforms have gone too far and threaten the stability of the regime. ANALYSIS Over 10,000 student demonstrators and an unknown number of riot police continued to clash in downtown Tehran on July 12 for the fifth straight day, in what many analysts are calling the worst unrest since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. The demonstrations began as small, peaceful student protests calling for press freedom after the closure of several liberal newspapers on July 8. They later transformed into widespread riots after riot police, sent in to breakup the demonstrations, injured dozens of students and arrested several dozen others. Pledges to allow press freedom and other liberal-minded reforms rallied the student vote behind moderate president Mohammad Khatami and helped to boost him to power in 1997. However, many of his moves since then to institute these reforms have been blocked by the powerful hardline conservative factions under the direction of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei. Not this time. In the past, the students have dispersed at the site of riot police or Revolutionary Guards, which are both controlled by Khamenei. However, this time the students did not flee. In fact, the student protests grew over the anger of police brutality in breaking up the demonstrations. Ordinary Iranians joined the ranks of the students, and the protests have spread to Tabriz -- where one student was killed by security forces over the weekend -- and to Yazd, Khorramabad, Hamadan and Sharud. In an attempt to rein in the protests, President Khatami appealed to the students to keep the demonstrations peaceful. However, on July 11, the Supreme National Security Council, headed by Khamenei, issued a statement against holding "illegal rallies" and stressed that the police were "trying to avoid clashes and restore calm." Meanwhile, policemen and Revolutionary Guards blocked off access to central Tehran's Val-e-Asr square and arrested at least 20 stone-throwing demonstrators and injured another dozen when policemen moved in to disperse the crowd. The next day, July 12, President Khatami again appealed for calm and warned students to be wary of "provocations" from opponents of reform. "There are those who want to create provocations and clashes," IRNA quoted Khatami as saying. Khatami appealed to students "not to fall into this dangerous trap," saying, "We must be the first to oppose tensions and violence." The students have not complied with Khatami's requests, and have reportedly included him as a target of their demonstrations. Shocked by the students' defiance, Khamenei has moderated his stance and condemned last week's use of force by the police against protestors as "unacceptable." However, his speech, broadcast over loudspeakers at Tehran University, was met with boos from the crowd. Khamenei stressed that those responsible would be dealt with even if they are "in the garb of law enforcement forces." Indeed the two police officers who were deemed responsible for calling in the initial July 8 raid on the students were arrested. The Supreme Leader's remarks, quoted by the official IRNA news agency, are his first public reaction to the pro-democracy protests, and follow allegations by the students that he was complicit in the police action. The student demonstrations began as part of the ongoing struggle between Iran's moderates and
Re: [CTRL] Suspect was member of racist World Church of the Creator
-Caveat Lector- sorry, A., it wasn't my intention to slander the south. My North Carolinian grandfather would never forgive me. You're absolutely right. There are many fine and decent people who live in the south...and I've had the good fortune to get to know them... from sweet old grandmothers poor people who might not be materially rich, but they're rich in spirit and humanity. My father is buried in Cullman, Alabama...and my mother comes from Graves County, Kentucky... so you could say that I have quite a few ties with the south. And as far as rudeness, discourtesy and barbaric behavior goesunfortunately, nowadays, one can find that in every state. People feel disconnected from one another and perhaps, if they had decent jobs and a sense of hope in their lives, they wouldn't become so twisted up inside with hate. Speaking of the south, I remember that whenever I had car trouble, it was always seemed to be the poorest of folks who would stop to give me a hand. And for a short time, when I was attending the local university down there, I was driving an old clunker down the country roads... when it would occasionally break down, I couldn't count the times that a poor country person would stop to ask me if he could be of help. Just thinking of it brings tears to my eyes...because it seems that it's always the good people of this world who live in such damned poverty. The man who helped me with my car had a car full of kids in the back who were wearing old tattered clothes... No. There are many, many good and decent men and women in the south... I'll never forget the little old Granny who lived next door to us, who had spent her life working at the textile mill in town. We adopted her into our family...and I remember the many afternoons we would spend, listening to granny tell her stories, while she knitted or worked on her quilts. How I loved that little old lady! On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Amelia Edgeman wrote: -Caveat Lector- William, I am truly sorry for the unpleasant experience you and your family had with "skinheads." I do, however, take exception to your allotting them to my state of Alabama and the state of my birth, Georgia. I do hope you are not implying that they would blend in in these areas of the deep south, but that is what it rather sounds like from your "neo-confederacy" remarks. I think this may be painting us Southerners with a rather broad brush. I am weary of being called "red-neck" and "hillbilly" by people from more "enlightened" regions of this country, especially by those to whom the term might more aptly be a description of themselves than those they are denigrating. I do not, however, judge a whole region by the behavior of a few. I believe I noticed more people who appeared to be "skinheads" in California that I have ever seen closer to home. I lived in southern Illinois for five years where I was often told "You'uns say ya'll, don't youse." This is not a regional problem. I think the stereo-types of tv and movies frequently have a Southern accent because it makes for good theater, the same reason many singers affect one. Again, I am sorry that it happened to you but please be assured it happens in other areas. It did to me in the midwest with one of my children and also in NYC in the garment district when I worked there years ago. Again to same son from opposite extreme when he attended school in DC with Alabama license plate. Go figure. Amelia PS Remember, too, that Tennessee is the "Volunteer State" for a reason as regards war efforts. - Original Message - From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Suspect was member of racist World Church of the Creator -Caveat Lector- I don't disagree with you, n. As a matter of fact, skinheads did not become a reality in my life until one day, when I was living in Kentucky, I accompanied my family to the supermarket near where we were living. It was a sunny afternoon, just another peaceful southern day in dear old Dixie, or so I thought. My wife and my children were crossing the parking lot when a gang of skinheads in a dilapidated Chevrolet cut in front of us. Since I'm of English and Native American descent, I look vaguely hispanic..but my wife and one of my children look recognizably hispanic. Needless to say, these "Aryan warriors" quickly went into their routine of name-calling and jeering, mouthing the few Spanish words that they knew. The morons thought they were hurling insults in Spanish--but they couldn't pronounce the words correctly. Now, you can imagine my feelings. I am a son of a disabled veteran who took several hits of shrapnel for this country on Omaha Beach. I'm descended from twelve generations of Americans... the first European member of my family landed in Virginia in the seventeenth century.. and my
[CTRL] TP: VINCE FOSTER CONSPIRACY BUFFS ... (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The DMN story has been picked up by the TImes-Picayune - - - The Times-Picayune July 11, 1999 Sunday, FIRST SECTION: NATIONAL; Pg. A15 HEADLINE: VINCE FOSTER CONSPIRACY BUFFS AREN'T READY TO GIVE UP PROBE; TRIO IS TRYING TO FIND CRACKS IN PUBLIC RECORD BYLINE: By Carolyn Barta The Dallas Morning News DATELINE: DALLAS BODY: ...Mike McCullough and Hugh Sprunt. They have busy lives, professional and personal. But their spare time is devoted to an unusual avocation: trying to uncover the cracks in the public accounts of former White House counsel Vincent Foster's death. ...owner of an environmental consulting firm before going to work in regulatory affairs for a large Dallas company. Of the three, Sprunt has the highest public profile. "He's unquestionably the world's expert in the death of Vince Foster," McCullough said. A certified public accountant and lawyer who lives with his family in Farmers Branch, Sprunt has a tax planning and consulting practice and writes and edits tax books. He has four degrees from ... GRAPHIC: ...Vince Foster: Death was suicide, government says = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AR: Cybersleuths doubt story of Foster's death (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The DMN story was also run by the Arizona Republic; First Section: Nation; page A8 Headline: Cybersleuths doubt story of Foster's death Byline: By Carolyn Barta The Dallas Morning News Dateline: Dallas Body: Same as DMN article Graphic: Leaked photo of Foster's hand, 2 columns wide Caption: "The 'Foster Non-Believers' doubt the public accounts of Vincent Foster's suicide. Foster was found with his thumb locked around the trigger of the gun" = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Robin Hood Outed
-Caveat Lector- Man if they keep "outing" historical personages at this rate it's going to make me wonder why the population continually expands - also how exactly does "outing" someone like Robin Hood (or anyone else) help contemporary homosexuals? Do gay archers shoot straighter? Do lesbian criminals feel compelled to "steal from the rich and give to the poor"? Jamieson On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, T Nohava wrote: -Caveat Lector- Robin Hood was gay, preferred ``merrie men'' - study By Paul Majendie Five hundred years from now they're going to tell us Gen. George Patton was a weirdo as well. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] Electronic Mind Control, Illness and Torture
Gene I don't believe that you really believe your posting. The following is a posting from me to everyone including Gene. It will be hard for you to except but is the best and most truthful information you can get. I understand that my story is beyond what normal people can comprehend but it is not the ravings of a mad man it is the truth. As I worked with the FBI against the satanist I would only supply the FBI with information in a controlled manor. I would first set up the bad guys and then prove the information was correct. Then I would supply the information to the FBI and others. The following information is correct to the best of my memory which is some what distorted due to the continual torture of me by those I was testifying against. I believe that the following information is the closest to the truth of any information on the inter net. If there is anything in this information that is incorrect it will only be a very small mistake by me due to the torture of me by my enemies. The following is what you people call mind control as it is applied to the general population to control people. In the spring of 1977 a group of friends of mine that were investigating the assassination of Don Bolles and corruption in Arizona received from a burglary a pick-up truck full of CIA, DEA and many other kinds of government documents. Don Bolles was a newspaper reporter in Phoenix Arizona who was assassinated with a car bomb. In these files and papers we had the designing, testing, manufacturing and use of a new kind of bugging device. These devices were being produced into many different models depending on there intended use. In the 1960's and the 1970's the CIA through many 1,000's of experiments had mapped out how to control the human mind and body using an electronic device that was designed like no other device before it. The human body and mind operates on electrical impulses on the nerves to and from the brain. These electrical impulses are of a very low DC voltage and operate on very low mil amperage. By designing a bugging device that operates on a much larger voltage which was 5 VDC and on a much higher amperage they found out they could over power the bodies electrical system. The standard monitoring device was designed to be made or installed into clothing, jewelry, or other things that were in contact or in a close proximity with the human body. By installing these device in a close proximity to the human body they discovered that by altering the magnetic fields and frequency produced from these devices they could control the health and mental abilities of the targeted individual. These devices are and were used by the 10's of millions against the American people. People that these devices are used against develop the diseases known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Epstein Barr Virus, The Yuppie Flue and diseases are also known by many other names. The standard way they used these devices on me from 1980 until 1991 was to replace my Levi Button on my pants. The new button was made with the device made into the button. This device operated when I scanned them at 724.56 MHz. This device completely controlled me mentally and physically. I suffered horribly from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Of the known 17 million Americans suffering from depression I would guess that about 12 million of these are from the effects of this device. There are of course many millions more that suffer from the effects of these and similar devices. The disease caused by these and other devices is an auto immune response of our bodies. You may refer to this response as an allergic reaction. To control this reaction you could use pretizone for short periods of time with it offering some relief. Stimulants such as speed or cocaine could also alter the reaction and also give some relief but of course this is illegal and unhealthy. The only way of terminating the control and torture is the removal of the devices. The longer the exposure to the devices the greater the effects of the devices. I found out that by buying new clothing and removing all jewelry and every thing else that I carried in my pockets and by staying away from home that day, that all the horrible things happening to me would stop and I would return to normal. If I would buy new clothing and take them home they would gas me that night and install the devices in the clothing. If any of you wish to test this on yourself it may prove that what I'm telling you is truthful. All depression would go away and I would feel like I was a kid again. I would laugh and have a great time that day until they would come in and reinstall the devices. The following is another kind of device that was in these files and papers. The CIA believed it was necessary to monitor the troops in battle so they could control the battle from behind the battle field. This device was a very small inject able micro chip. This device could be injected into the troops
Re: [CTRL] Robin Hood Outed
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man if they keep "outing" historical personages at this rate it's going to make me wonder why the population continually expands ... That's easy: ordinary people reproduce; extraordinary people are more imaginative sexually, more likely to be G/L/B/T. Ordinary folks don't recognize their polymorphous perversity; extraordinary people do. Extraordinary people are more likely to be historic personages; ordinary folk breed and are forgotten. Nothing is ever accomplished by a reasonable person - to achieve anything, one must be driven, energetic, possessed of a vision. How many straight citizens are possessed of visions, are driven by wild obsessions, have the energy to accomplish the memorable? Then of course, there's The Conspiracy, who ensure that people of their choosing are remembered in history. Did any "historical personage" ever actually accomplish anything, or are they just The Conspiracy's poster-kids? Since all historical and contemporary information is controlled by The Conspiracy, everything you "know" is only what They want you to know. Right now, They want you to know that Robin Hood was gay. Last week they wanted you to know that Mir leaks. What will They want you to know next week? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Unabomber: A Volunteer In CIA Mind-control Experiments
-Caveat Lector- Hi ! I have been unable to check the veracity of some of this. But it sounds interesting. Sincerely, Neil Brick The Unabomber: A Volunteer In CIA Mind-control Experiments By ALEXANDER COCKBURN Los Angeles Times Tuesday, July 6, 1999 It turns out that Theodore Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber, was a volunteer in mind-control experiments sponsored by the CIA at Harvard in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Michael Mello, author of the recently published book, "The United States of America vs. Theodore John Kaczynski," notes that at some point in his Harvard years -- 1958 to 1962 -- Kaczynski agreed to be the subject of "a psychological experiment." Mello identifies the chief researcher for these only as a lieutenant colonel in World War II, working for the CIA's predecessor organization, the Office of Strategic Services. In fact, the man experimenting on the young Kaczynski was Dr. Henry Murray, who died in 1988. Murray became preoccupied by psychoanalysis in the 1920s, drawn to it through a fascination with Herman Melville's "Moby Dick," which he gave to Sigmund Freud, who duly made the excited diagnosis that the whale was a father figure. After spending the 1930s developing personality theory, Murray was recruited to the OSS at the start of the war, applying his theories to the selection of agents and also presumably to interrogation. As chairman of the Department of Social Relations at Harvard, Murray zealously prosecuted the CIA's efforts to carry forward experiments in mind control conducted by Nazi doctors in the concentration camps. The overall program was under the control of the late Sidney Gottlieb, head of the CIA's technical services division. Just as Harvard students were fed doses of LSD, psilocybin and other potions, so too were prisoners and many unwitting guinea pigs. Sometimes the results were disastrous. A dram of LSD fed by Gottlieb himself to an unwitting U.S. army officer, Frank Olson, plunged Olson into escalating psychotic episodes, which culminated in Olson's fatal descent from an upper window in the Statler-Hilton in New York. Gottlieb was the object of a lawsuit not only by Olson's children but also by the sister of another man, Stanley Milton Glickman, whose life had disintegrated into psychosis after being unwittingly given a dose of LSD by Gottlieb. What did Murray give Kaczynski? Did the experiment's long-term effects help tilt him into the Unabomber's homicidal rampages? The CIA's mind experiment program was vast. How many other human time bombs were thus primed? How many of them have exploded? There are other human time bombs, primed in haste, ignorance or indifference to long-term consequences. Amid all the finger-pointing to causes prompting the recent wave of schoolyard killings, not nearly enough clamor has been raised about the fact that many of these teenagers suddenly exploding into mania were on a regimen of antidepressants. Eric Harris, one of the shooters at Columbine, was on Luvox. Kip Kinkel, who killed his parents and two students in Oregon, was on Prozac. There are a number of other instances. Apropos possible linkage, Dr. Peter Breggin, author of books on Prozac and Ritalin, has said, "I have no doubt that Prozac can contribute to violence and suicide. I've seen many cases. In the recent clinical trial, 6% of the children became psychotic on Prozac. And manic psychosis can lead to violence." A 15-year-old girl attending a ritzy liberal arts school in the Northeast told me that 80% of the kids in her class were on Prozac, Ritalin or Dexedrine. The pretext used by the school authorities is attention deficit disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, with a diagnosis made on the basis of questions such as: "Do you find yourself daydreaming or looking out the window?" Ritalin is being given to about 2 million American schoolchildren. A 1986 article by Richard Scarnati in the International Journal of the Addictions lists more than a hundred adverse reactions to Ritalin, including paranoid delusions, paranoid psychosis, amphetamine-like psychosis and terror. Meanwhile, uncertainty reigns on the precise nature of the complaint that Ritalin is supposed to be treating. One panel reviewing the proceedings at a conference on ADHD last year even doubted whether the disorder is a "valid" diagnosis of a broad range of children's behavior, and said there was little evidence Ritalin did any good. In 1996, the Drug Enforcement Administration denounced the use of Ritalin and concluded that "the dramatic increase in the use of [Ritalin] in the 1990s should be viewed as a marker or warning to society." Indeed. Land mines now litter the terrain of our society, waiting to explode. - - - Alexander Cockburn Writes for the Nation and Other
Re: [CTRL] The Deadly Deception, written by Jim Shaw and Tom McKenney.
-Caveat Lector- Hi ! Here's a book review with information on several groups. Sincerely, Neil Brick The following review is about the book, "The Deadly Deception," written by Jim Shaw and Tom McKenney. Ordering information follows the article. Warning: Several rituals are outlined in detail, please use caution while reading this article. Please note: All accusations are alleged. James D. Shaw was a 33rd degree, Knight Commander of the Court of Honor, Past Worshipful Master, Blue Lodge and Past Master of All Scottish Rite Bodies. In the beginning of the book, Jim Shaw discusses his early childhood, which included working after school, some alleged physical abuse, and leaving his home when he was 13. His uncle (Irvin) was a Mason, and his mother told him, "Try to be like your Uncle Irvin (her brother); he is a good man and a Mason... if you get to know him better maybe you can grow up to be a good man and a Mason like he is. " (Page 11). After his high school graduation he met his wife and started a business. Later he joined the "Loyal Order of the Moose." After this his mother died and he joined the ROTC. "As I went through the basic training I noticed that many of the officers there wore Masonic rings. Toward the end of my basic training, two men from my unit were to be selected for Officers Candidate School to be trained as officers and commissioned second lieutenants. I was not selected and the two who were selected were both Masons. I thought about my four years of ROTC, my age, my experience and wondered why I had not been selected. I didn't realize then that these men had (allegedly) been selected by Masons because they were Masons. In later years I would understand very well." (page 17) Then the war ended and Jim told his wife that he wanted to join the Masonic Lodge. "I had a need to belong, a need for acceptance in a group, for friends, for a family...I received a surprising revelation from Bonnie (his wife): she had been a member of the Order of the Eastern Star since age 18, and her father was a Mason." (page 19) From my experiences (article author), often marriages are cult ordained, two cult members may be programmed into marrying, so that their progeny will also become cult members with no problems. This may or may not be the case here. Jim told a few friends in the Moose Lodge he was thinking of joining the Masons. "Three of my Moose brothers were also Masons. They were pleased I wanted to be one too." (page 20) A few days later, after asking to join the Masons, he prepared for the initiation. He was told to take off his clothes and put on pajama-like garments and one sandal on the right foot. "We were now prepared to receive the Entered Apprentice Degree, or the First Degree in FreemasonryThe Senior Deacon ...asked"Why do you wish to become Freemasons; do you join because you believe it will help you in your business, or help you to gain influence in your community?"..the candidate is supposed to answer as if he had no selfish motivation. But it has been my experience that the vast majority of Masons enter for these very self-serving reasons." (page 21) Then he was blindfolded, and the blindfold is called a "hoodwink." He was unable to see a thing, his left arm was taken out of his shirt and the left leg of his "pajama" pants was rolled up high. "A blue rope (called a "cabletow") was tied around my neck...I began to experience real fear. I couldn't see, didn't know where I was , was half-naked among an unknown number of strangers, being held by a rope around my neck, and I certainly didn't know what would happen next..I could see nothing at all. This being in total darkness produced a deep-down feeling of helplessness, and gave rise to thoughts of terrible things that might be done...Since they all (other Masonic friends) had somehow survived this,I believed I would survive it too. But I was extremely uncomfortable. " (page 22) Then he went to the door of the lodge hall and answered the questions with the correct prearranged answers. Then he was led into the lodge hall. The Senior Deacon said to him, ""You are received into this lodge of Entered Apprentices upon the point of a sharp instrument piercing your naked left breast, which is to teach you as this is an instrument of torture to the flesh, so the rememberance of it beto your mind and conscience, should you ever presume to reveal any of the secrets of Freemasonry unlawfully." The "sharp instrument" was actually a compass with two sharp points brought together as one, and "sharp" it most certainly was. I really did fell pain as it was pressed into my flesh..This thing was becoming more and more serious and I was even more afraidthe Master prayed a formal,generalized prayer.. and ending with, "So mote it be."" (page 23 - 24) Book review author's note:
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-Caveat Lector- Via SpinTechMag.CoM SpinTech: July 12, 1999 Picture How The Constitution Aids Federal Power-Grabbers by Sunni Maravillosa Hologram of Liberty, by Kenneth Royce (AKA Boston T. Party) (Javelin Press, 1997) 229 pgs. ISBN # 1-888766-03-4 At age five or so, I discovered that Santa Claus is a myth. Having been suspicious of the story for some time, that discovery did not shock me nearly as much as the realization that my parents -- whom Id completely trusted up until then -- had lied to me. Thus began my tendency to be skeptical of nearly everything, and everybody. My skepticism has been lulled in certain areas by my public school indoctrination, most notably American history. Kenneth Royces book Hologram of Liberty has permanently changed that. Royce is better known as Boston T. Party, author of several libertarian books, including Bulletproof Privacy and Boston on Guns and Courage. In Hologram of Liberty, he examines the historical record surrounding the Constitutional Convention as well as the Constitution itself, and concludes that the primary reason for our current non-free condition is the Constitution itself -- it was not intended to preserve states or individuals liberties, but to be a slow-working power-grabber for the federal government. Hologram of Liberty is not based on "patriot mythology", nor on minutiae or legalistic sleight-of-hand. Royces research is thorough and relies on many respected scholarly works. While some hypotheses leave more room for nagging questions than others, the essential points of his work are solidly grounded. As I was recently chastised for questioning the Constitution and its authors in an essay, Royce provides me with evidence that both deserve tighter scrutiny from libertarians than theyve received. Let me say before going any further that Royce -- and I -- are not out to mindlessly bash the Constitution, nor to denigrate the founders of the United States. Royce states in Hologram of Liberty that he is "for true Liberty under a constitution" (emphasis in original). My motives overlap his in writing the book; in reviewing it, I want to share information and ideas, and spark further thought with the goal of creating a better, more freedom-respecting system of government. Given the current abysmal state of the American system, it is better to eye sacred cows critically -- and to slaughter them if necessary -- with the intent to improve the system rather than to fence them off worshipfully while tyranny grows. Royce focuses his attention on two primary areas: the men who wrote the Constitution; and the actual writing of the document. From each he builds his case in a clear, logical style that makes it easy to understand his points. He challenges all who claim to love liberty to set aside preconceived ideas and examine his evidence, and invites scholarly refutations of his claims. The Founders: Patriots or Elitists? The first myth debunked by Royce is that all Founders are created equal. While most people seem to think of the Founding Founders as a specific group of men -- those who signed the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation, and collaborated on the framing of the Constitution -- whose goals and motives were generally similar and freedom-oriented, this is not the case. Of the 55 delegates who comprised the Constitutional Convention, only eight were signees of the Declaration of Independence, and only six signed the Articles of Confederation; most were politicians and lawyers. More importantly, the revolutionaries whose inspiring words we rightly cherish were not among those 55: some were not chosen as delegates, while others refused to serve, and Thomas Jefferson and James Adams were out of the country. Thus, the flavor of the groups that participated in various aspects of this countrys formation are quite different. Most individuals are aware that the debate concerning the Constitution centered on the philosophical differences between Jefferson -- an agrarian and staunch defender of liberty -- and Alexander Hamilton -- an Anglophile federalist who advocated a strong federal (i.e., national) government. Royce fills out the picture even more with his careful documentation of the federalists careful advance planning and propaganda campaign to create an atmosphere of concern with respect to the Articles of Confederation, and the need to devise a "better" system. Although many naïvely view the Founders as being "above politics", Royce in many cases uses the federalists own words to debunk that myth. He shows the "bait and switch" used by the federalists to co-opt the Convention from its original purpose. Quoting extensively from The Federalist, Royce documents the overblown rhetoric and specious arguments employed by (mostly) Hamilton and James Madison to enlist popular support for the Constitution. Their motives for seeking
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