Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi Peter,

voting was closed and now project is called "Royale" (see vote results
thread)
Thanks for share your thoughts!

Carlos

2017-09-20 9:30 GMT+02:00 Peter Ginneberge :

>
> I kept repeating "Bead" over and over in my head and all of a sudden
> turned it into "Beadle", which I think has a much nicer ring to it.
>
> Then looked it up and apparently it's an existing word (didn't think it
> was, but then again, English isn't my native language).
>
> Beadle: sometimes spelled "bedel", is an official of a church or synagogue
> who may usher, keep order, make reports, and assist in religious functions;
> or a minor official who carries out various civil, educational, or
> ceremonial duties.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beadle
>
> regards,
> Peter
>
>
> On 19/09/2017 23:09, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>> That's a valid point, although I keep hoping we'll hit on a name that
>> makes everyone go "Yeah!".
>>
>> I had the idea to look into obscure god/deity.
>>
>> I found some references to:
>>
>> Arazu:  Babylonian god of completed construction
>> Kulla:  Sumero-Babylonian brick-god
>>
>> Mušdam: the divine architect at the outset when laying a foundation for a
>> building
>>
>> There is already a company called Arazu Web Design and App Development.  I
>> would take the diacritics off and just use Musdam and it is also spelled
>> Musdamma
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 9/19/17, 1:30 PM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:
>>
>> Isn't it about time to reduce the number of names we're considering, not
>>> think of more? With the VOTE already running and such...
>>>
>>> EdB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Peter Ginneberge]

I kept repeating "Bead" over and over in my head and all of a sudden turned it 
into "Beadle", which I think has a much nicer ring to it.


Then looked it up and apparently it's an existing word (didn't think it was, 
but then again, English isn't my native language).


Beadle: sometimes spelled "bedel", is an official of a church or synagogue who 
may usher, keep order, make reports, and assist in religious functions; or a 
minor official who carries out various civil, educational, or ceremonial duties.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beadle

regards,
Peter

On 19/09/2017 23:09, Alex Harui wrote:

That's a valid point, although I keep hoping we'll hit on a name that
makes everyone go "Yeah!".

I had the idea to look into obscure god/deity.

I found some references to:

Arazu:  Babylonian god of completed construction
Kulla:  Sumero-Babylonian brick-god

Mušdam: the divine architect at the outset when laying a foundation for a
building

There is already a company called Arazu Web Design and App Development.  I
would take the diacritics off and just use Musdam and it is also spelled
Musdamma

Thoughts?
-Alex

On 9/19/17, 1:30 PM, "Erik de Bruin"  wrote:


Isn't it about time to reduce the number of names we're considering, not
think of more? With the VOTE already running and such...

EdB

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

That's was the reason I proposed to reduce the options to 3 before voting.
My bet was that many candidates, like in  other kinds of elections, would
make the whole process tricky :?

2017-09-19 23:09 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>:

> That's a valid point, although I keep hoping we'll hit on a name that
> makes everyone go "Yeah!".
>
> I had the idea to look into obscure god/deity.
>
> I found some references to:
>
> Arazu:  Babylonian god of completed construction
> Kulla:  Sumero-Babylonian brick-god
>
> Mušdam: the divine architect at the outset when laying a foundation for a
> building
>
> There is already a company called Arazu Web Design and App Development.  I
> would take the diacritics off and just use Musdam and it is also spelled
> Musdamma
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 9/19/17, 1:30 PM, "Erik de Bruin" <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>
> >Isn't it about time to reduce the number of names we're considering, not
> >think of more? With the VOTE already running and such...
> >
> >EdB
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:13 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
> ><bigosma...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Gah
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fhelix.ap
> >>ache.org%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C2f878032534e4131bec408d4ff9d
> 57aa%7Cfa7b1b5a
> >>7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414498626680232&
> sdata=pfFquo9GmEvb3
> >>isVBDKzNyjyWKz0spSDR9N8nK9f50M%3D=0 is already taken :-((
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi -
> >> >
> >> > I don’t see that as being in the same space. I don’t think people
> >>will be
> >> > confused.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> > > On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Piotr Zarzycki
> >><piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can
> >>we
> >> > just
> >> > > grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
> >> > > implications.
> >> > >
> >> > > [1]
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
> >>om%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid=02%7C01%7C%7C2f878032534e4131bec408d4ff9d
> 57
> >>aa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636414498626680232=
> >>PFAK5EsVQos6oTHUh%2BRnxie9bFwrJAj0ZKEQCHMP67E%3D=0
> >> > >
> >> > > 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J <
> >> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
> >> > >:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Apache Bob...
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -Original Message-
> >> > >> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> >> > >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >> > >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Ick…
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Harbs
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with
> >>and
> >> > >> without diacritics.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wik
> >>tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C2f878032534e4131bec408d4ff9d
> 5
> >>7aa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636414498626680232
> >>=zcEFPJt90SLoB29qCXgmzKLgCNTw2XTTcKNip%2FOrksY%3D=0
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com
> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even
> >> resorting
> >> > >> to a
> >> &g

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

That's a valid point, although I keep hoping we'll hit on a name that
makes everyone go "Yeah!".

I had the idea to look into obscure god/deity.

I found some references to:

Arazu:  Babylonian god of completed construction
Kulla:  Sumero-Babylonian brick-god

Mušdam: the divine architect at the outset when laying a foundation for a
building

There is already a company called Arazu Web Design and App Development.  I
would take the diacritics off and just use Musdam and it is also spelled
Musdamma

Thoughts?
-Alex

On 9/19/17, 1:30 PM, "Erik de Bruin" <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:

>Isn't it about time to reduce the number of names we're considering, not
>think of more? With the VOTE already running and such...
>
>EdB
>
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:13 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
><bigosma...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Gah
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelix.ap
>>ache.org%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C2f878032534e4131bec408d4ff9d57aa%7Cfa7b1b5a
>>7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414498626680232=pfFquo9GmEvb3
>>isVBDKzNyjyWKz0spSDR9N8nK9f50M%3D=0 is already taken :-((
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi -
>> >
>> > I don’t see that as being in the same space. I don’t think people
>>will be
>> > confused.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > > On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Piotr Zarzycki
>><piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can
>>we
>> > just
>> > > grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
>> > > implications.
>> > >
>> > > [1] 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
>>om%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid=02%7C01%7C%7C2f878032534e4131bec408d4ff9d57
>>aa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414498626680232=
>>PFAK5EsVQos6oTHUh%2BRnxie9bFwrJAj0ZKEQCHMP67E%3D=0
>> > >
>> > > 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J <
>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
>> > >:
>> > >
>> > >> Apache Bob...
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
>> > >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>> > >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>> > >>
>> > >> Ick…
>> > >>
>> > >> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>> > >>
>> > >> Harbs
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with
>>and
>> > >> without diacritics.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wik
>>tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C2f878032534e4131bec408d4ff9d5
>>7aa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414498626680232
>>=zcEFPJt90SLoB29qCXgmzKLgCNTw2XTTcKNip%2FOrksY%3D=0
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even
>> resorting
>> > >> to a
>> > >>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to
>>refer
>> to
>> > >> the
>> > >>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
>> > >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> > >>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Om,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think
>>"bo-ja"
>> > is
>> > >> the
>> > >>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>> > >

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Erik de Bruin]

Isn't it about time to reduce the number of names we're considering, not
think of more? With the VOTE already running and such...

EdB



On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:13 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Gah
> https://helix.apache.org/ is already taken :-((
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > I don’t see that as being in the same space. I don’t think people will be
> > confused.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > > On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
> > just
> > > grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
> > > implications.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/cristibalan/braid
> > >
> > > 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J <
> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
> > >:
> > >
> > >> Apache Bob...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> > >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> > >>
> > >> Ick…
> > >>
> > >> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Harbs
> > >>
> > >>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
> > >> without diacritics.
> > >>>
> > >>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even
> resorting
> > >> to a
> > >>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer
> to
> > >> the
> > >>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Om,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja"
> > is
> > >> the
> > >>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Piotr
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <
> bigosma...@gmail.com
> > >:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or
> > bo-ja,
> > >>>>> etc?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning
> > Boja
> > >>>>> - I
> > >>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's
> > finding.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Piotr
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui
> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
> > >
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We don't hav

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Gah
https://helix.apache.org/ is already taken :-((

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I don’t see that as being in the same space. I don’t think people will be
> confused.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
> just
> > grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
> > implications.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/cristibalan/braid
> >
> > 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J <mark.kessler@usmc.mil
> >:
> >
> >> Apache Bob...
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> >>
> >> Ick…
> >>
> >> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
> >>
> >> Harbs
> >>
> >>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
> >> without diacritics.
> >>>
> >>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting
> >> to a
> >>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to
> >> the
> >>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
> >>>>
> >>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Om,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja"
> is
> >> the
> >>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Piotr
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com
> >:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or
> bo-ja,
> >>>>> etc?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning
> Boja
> >>>>> - I
> >>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's
> finding.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Piotr
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID
> >
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close
> down
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
> >>>>>> Limber
> >>>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
> >>>>> Limbyr
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
> >>>>>>>> results,
> >>>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
> >>>>> checker
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> constantly changing.
> >>>>>>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi Alex,

2017-09-19 20:59 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui :

>
> That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
> called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".  Think
> of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and
> didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of
> these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize it
> wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale and
> a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
> Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
>

Just cause we will create a great marketing brand around the name and the
technology that is even more important than the name.

I want this for us:

https://angular.io
https://www.typescriptlang.org
https://www.polymer-project.org

and so on...

They build a brand that makes it unmistakable to your users, and we need
*ALL* the package to compete in the same league.

It's not only about the name, it's about logo design, website, docs, and
even more, marketing videos?... far beyond... we'll need a great look for
our UI native sets in the end.

Making things visual for people is what sell your product. We all know how
great is, but people need to get it in seconds seeing it and testing it





> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

I don’t see that as being in the same space. I don’t think people will be 
confused.

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we just
> grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
> implications.
> 
> [1] https://github.com/cristibalan/braid
> 
> 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>:
> 
>> Apache Bob...
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>> 
>> Ick…
>> 
>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>> 
>> Harbs
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
>> without diacritics.
>>> 
>>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting
>> to a
>>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to
>> the
>>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>>>> 
>>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Om,
>>>>> 
>>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" is
>> the
>>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Piotr
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja,
>>>>> etc?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja
>>>>> - I
>>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
>>>>>> Limber
>>>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
>>>>> Limbyr
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
>>>>>>>> results,
>>>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
>>>>> checker
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>>>>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>> to the name.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Mark K
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github.
>>>>>> Let
>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open
>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> VOTE
>>>>>>>>>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
>>>>>>> here ?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
>>>>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>>>>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>>> 
>>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557
>>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>>> 
>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Wetmore
>>>> 
>>>> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Piotr Zarzycki
> 
> mobile: +48 880 859 557
> skype: zarzycki10
> 
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>



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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Dave Fisher]

Looks like a conflict to me.

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Harbs  wrote:
> 
> Helix is nice.
> 
> Possible conflict:
> http://www.helixsdk.org/ 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:40 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there
 are
>> any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so,
 maybe
>> "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
>> 
>> —peter
 
>>> 
>> I love Helix.  It actually describes the shape:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix
>> 
>> DNA is in the shape of a double Helix, guess what DNA is made of?  Strands!
>> 
>> The name has a good ring to it as well.
> 



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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Peter Ent]

I swear all the good names are already taken. I think we just need to
throw letters into a box and shake them at this point.
‹peter

On 9/19/17, 3:48 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:

>Helix is nice.
>
>Possible conflict:
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.helixs
>dk.org%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C035543dca81c4819f48408d4ff976d6e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3
>4438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414473216014007=50CnTkqOULTC01jAt
>uA2i2vcB6aW0jlKyPZsS%2BfJnaQ%3D=0
>sdk.org%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C035543dca81c4819f48408d4ff976d6e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b
>34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414473216014007=50CnTkqOULTC01jA
>tuA2i2vcB6aW0jlKyPZsS%2BfJnaQ%3D=0>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:40 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if
>>there
 are
>> any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so,
 maybe
>> "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
>> 
>> ‹peter
 
>>> 
>> I love Helix.  It actually describes the shape:
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikip
>>edia.org%2Fwiki%2FHelix=02%7C01%7C%7C035543dca81c4819f48408d4ff976d6
>>e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414473216014007=9
>>RKN1g881XvPn6H6ffBvMGPSwagSyfePAhzrQ3nqBxc%3D=0
>> 
>> DNA is in the shape of a double Helix, guess what DNA is made of?
>>Strands!
>> 
>> The name has a good ring to it as well.
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

Helix is nice.

Possible conflict:
http://www.helixsdk.org/ 

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:40 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there
>>> are
> any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so,
>>> maybe
> "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
> 
> —peter
>>> 
>> 
> I love Helix.  It actually describes the shape:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix
> 
> DNA is in the shape of a double Helix, guess what DNA is made of?  Strands!
> 
> The name has a good ring to it as well.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

>
>
>> > >
>> > > "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there
>> are
>> > > any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so,
>> maybe
>> > > "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
>> > >
>> > > —peter
>>
>
I love Helix.  It actually describes the shape:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix

DNA is in the shape of a double Helix, guess what DNA is made of?  Strands!

The name has a good ring to it as well.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Dave Fisher]

Note that OpenOffice.org was an Open Source project for ten years before it was 
donated to Apache.

So that is grandfathered use. FYI - I did the bulk of the migration of that 
site (9GB to ASF infra.)

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
> Did folks like the name Flex when it came out?
> 
> I just looked and flex.com and flex.io are already taken for things
> unrelated to our Flex.  So having limber.com already taken isn't
> unprecedented, it is unfortunate that it goes to an adult site.
> 
> I know that we have to use .apache.org, but it would be nice
> to be able grab the .org and redirect it to
> .apache.org sort of like how openoffice.org does it.
> 
> 
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
> 
> 
> On 9/19/17, 11:20 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ick…
>> 
>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>> 
>> Harbs
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
>>> without diacritics.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wik
>>> tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C018cc89bdd734cf700c508d4ff8b1
>>> 95c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414420324190363
>>> =oUNQHDoRfKm2HDXd4SkncJ2E5yrO5GcODc4jX7hGAuM%3D=0
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting
>>>> to a
>>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to
>>>> the
>>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>>>> 
>>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki
>>>> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Om,
>>>>> 
>>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja"
>>>>> is the
>>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Piotr
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or
>>>>>> bo-ja,
>>>>> etc?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"
>>>>>> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning
>>>>>>> Boja
>>>>> - I
>>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
>>>>>> Limber
>>>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
>>>>> Limbyr
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
>>>>>>>> results,
>>>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
>>>>> checker
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>>>>> mark.kessle

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

There is actually already an Apache Felix.

But we could probably use Andrew… ;-)

(Although there’s quite a few Andrews on Github too) 
https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93=andrew= 
<https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93=andrew=>

Harbs


> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Felix is the happiest name so far.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Braid is fine with me too.
>> 
>> If FlexJS doesn’t work, we can just play the game… B-)
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game) 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game)> <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game) 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game)>>
>> 
>> Harbs
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Peter Ent <p...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell it)
>>> because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the first
>>> thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.
>>> 
>>> I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always seems
>>> to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a
>>> few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a
>>> need for correction.
>>> 
>>> While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has
>>> the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a
>>> pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing.
>>> 
>>> "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there are
>>> any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so, maybe
>>> "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
>>> 
>>> —peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid confusion
>>>> in a marketplace.  There are lots of products named Flex, such as cars,
>>>> diabetes testing kits, and more.  There are even other software products
>>>> called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential
>>>> customers about what Flex is being talked about.
>>>> 
>>>> Mostly, we will use the term "Apache " instead of just
>>>>  when publishing things, but later in those documents we'll
>>>> probably just refer to it as .
>>>> 
>>>> So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal
>> killer
>>>> and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion.  I was more concerned
>>>> about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might
>>>> become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids took
>>>> off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that.  There is also a
>>>> Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript.
>>>> 
>>>> That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
>>>> called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".  Think
>>>> of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and
>>>> didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of
>>>> these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize
>> it
>>>> wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale
>> and
>>>> a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
>>>> Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
>>>> 
>>>> I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned.  They
>> don't
>>>> always respond right away.  If they are not concerned, I will probably
>>>> vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH,
>>>> -Alex
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
>>>>> just
>>>>> grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
>>&g

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Dave Fisher]

Apache Felix is an existing project. It is an OSGI container project.\

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Felix is the happiest name so far.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Braid is fine with me too.
>> 
>> If FlexJS doesn’t work, we can just play the game… B-)
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game) <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game)>
>> 
>> Harbs
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Peter Ent <p...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell it)
>>> because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the first
>>> thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.
>>> 
>>> I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always seems
>>> to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a
>>> few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a
>>> need for correction.
>>> 
>>> While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has
>>> the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a
>>> pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing.
>>> 
>>> "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there are
>>> any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so, maybe
>>> "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
>>> 
>>> —peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid confusion
>>>> in a marketplace.  There are lots of products named Flex, such as cars,
>>>> diabetes testing kits, and more.  There are even other software products
>>>> called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential
>>>> customers about what Flex is being talked about.
>>>> 
>>>> Mostly, we will use the term "Apache " instead of just
>>>>  when publishing things, but later in those documents we'll
>>>> probably just refer to it as .
>>>> 
>>>> So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal
>> killer
>>>> and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion.  I was more concerned
>>>> about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might
>>>> become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids took
>>>> off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that.  There is also a
>>>> Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript.
>>>> 
>>>> That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
>>>> called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".  Think
>>>> of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and
>>>> didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of
>>>> these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize
>> it
>>>> wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale
>> and
>>>> a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
>>>> Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
>>>> 
>>>> I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned.  They
>> don't
>>>> always respond right away.  If they are not concerned, I will probably
>>>> vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH,
>>>> -Alex
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
>>>>> just
>>>>> grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
>>>>> implications.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
>>>>> o
>>>>> m%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e
>> 4f1
>>>>> 7
>>>>> %7Cfa7b1b

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Felix is the happiest name so far.
>

Taken:  http://felix.apache.org/


>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Braid is fine with me too.
> >
> > If FlexJS doesn’t work, we can just play the game… B-)
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game) <
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game)>
> >
> > Harbs
> >
> > > On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Peter Ent <p...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell
> it)
> > > because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the
> first
> > > thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.
> > >
> > > I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always
> seems
> > > to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a
> > > few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a
> > > need for correction.
> > >
> > > While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has
> > > the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a
> > > pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing.
> > >
> > > "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there
> are
> > > any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so,
> maybe
> > > "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
> > >
> > > —peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid
> confusion
> > >> in a marketplace.  There are lots of products named Flex, such as
> cars,
> > >> diabetes testing kits, and more.  There are even other software
> products
> > >> called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential
> > >> customers about what Flex is being talked about.
> > >>
> > >> Mostly, we will use the term "Apache " instead of just
> > >>  when publishing things, but later in those documents
> we'll
> > >> probably just refer to it as .
> > >>
> > >> So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal
> > killer
> > >> and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion.  I was more
> concerned
> > >> about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might
> > >> become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids
> took
> > >> off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that.  There is also a
> > >> Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript.
> > >>
> > >> That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
> > >> called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".
> Think
> > >> of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name
> and
> > >> didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one
> of
> > >> these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize
> > it
> > >> wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale
> > and
> > >> a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
> > >> Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
> > >>
> > >> I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned.  They
> > don't
> > >> always respond right away.  If they are not concerned, I will probably
> > >> vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow.
> > >>
> > >> HTH,
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can
> we
> > >>> just
> > >>> grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
> > >>> implications.
> > >>>
> > >>> [1]
> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
> > >>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Andrew Wetmore]

Felix is the happiest name so far.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Braid is fine with me too.
>
> If FlexJS doesn’t work, we can just play the game… B-)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game) <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game)>
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Peter Ent <p...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >
> > I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell it)
> > because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the first
> > thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.
> >
> > I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always seems
> > to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a
> > few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a
> > need for correction.
> >
> > While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has
> > the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a
> > pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing.
> >
> > "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there are
> > any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so, maybe
> > "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
> >
> > —peter
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >
> >> I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid confusion
> >> in a marketplace.  There are lots of products named Flex, such as cars,
> >> diabetes testing kits, and more.  There are even other software products
> >> called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential
> >> customers about what Flex is being talked about.
> >>
> >> Mostly, we will use the term "Apache " instead of just
> >>  when publishing things, but later in those documents we'll
> >> probably just refer to it as .
> >>
> >> So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal
> killer
> >> and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion.  I was more concerned
> >> about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might
> >> become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids took
> >> off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that.  There is also a
> >> Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript.
> >>
> >> That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
> >> called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".  Think
> >> of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and
> >> didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of
> >> these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize
> it
> >> wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale
> and
> >> a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
> >> Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
> >>
> >> I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned.  They
> don't
> >> always respond right away.  If they are not concerned, I will probably
> >> vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
> >>> just
> >>> grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
> >>> implications.
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
> >>> o
> >>> m%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e
> 4f1
> >>> 7
> >>> %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636414434060882785=A6
> >>> I
> >>> IL4SNYWP2XFTvOife92gA1t8Km4E%2Fr7QpvQ3B3mI%3D=0
> >>>
> >>> 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
> >>> <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>:
> >>>
> >>>> Apache Bob...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
&

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

Braid is fine with me too.

If FlexJS doesn’t work, we can just play the game… B-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game) 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game)>

Harbs

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Peter Ent <p...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
> I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell it)
> because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the first
> thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.
> 
> I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always seems
> to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a
> few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a
> need for correction.
> 
> While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has
> the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a
> pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing.
> 
> "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there are
> any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so, maybe
> "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
> 
> —peter
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
>> I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid confusion
>> in a marketplace.  There are lots of products named Flex, such as cars,
>> diabetes testing kits, and more.  There are even other software products
>> called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential
>> customers about what Flex is being talked about.
>> 
>> Mostly, we will use the term "Apache " instead of just
>>  when publishing things, but later in those documents we'll
>> probably just refer to it as .
>> 
>> So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal killer
>> and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion.  I was more concerned
>> about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might
>> become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids took
>> off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that.  There is also a
>> Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript.
>> 
>> That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
>> called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".  Think
>> of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and
>> didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of
>> these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize it
>> wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale and
>> a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
>> Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
>> 
>> I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned.  They don't
>> always respond right away.  If they are not concerned, I will probably
>> vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> -Alex
>> 
>> On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
>>> just
>>> grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
>>> implications.
>>> 
>>> [1] 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
>>> o
>>> m%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e4f1
>>> 7
>>> %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434060882785=A6
>>> I
>>> IL4SNYWP2XFTvOife92gA1t8Km4E%2Fr7QpvQ3B3mI%3D=0
>>> 
>>> 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
>>> <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>:
>>> 
>>>> Apache Bob...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>> 
>>>> Ick…
>>>> 
>>>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Harbs
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many langua

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Understand. The vote should be open for the next 4 hours, but I will
probably wait till tomorrow morning around 6-7 AM UTC with summary, so we
can change our VOTES eventually.

With provided information my choose will be Arise - sounds nice same as
Royale.

2017-09-19 21:12 GMT+02:00 Peter Ent <p...@adobe.com.invalid>:

> I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell it)
> because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the first
> thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.
>
> I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always seems
> to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a
> few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a
> need for correction.
>
> While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has
> the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a
> pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing.
>
> "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there are
> any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so, maybe
> "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
>
> —peter
>
>
>
> On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> >I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid confusion
> >in a marketplace.  There are lots of products named Flex, such as cars,
> >diabetes testing kits, and more.  There are even other software products
> >called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential
> >customers about what Flex is being talked about.
> >
> >Mostly, we will use the term "Apache " instead of just
> > when publishing things, but later in those documents we'll
> >probably just refer to it as .
> >
> >So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal killer
> >and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion.  I was more concerned
> >about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might
> >become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids took
> >off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that.  There is also a
> >Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript.
> >
> >That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
> >called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".  Think
> >of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and
> >didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of
> >these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize it
> >wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale and
> >a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
> >Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
> >
> >I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned.  They
> don't
> >always respond right away.  If they are not concerned, I will probably
> >vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow.
> >
> >HTH,
> >-Alex
> >
> >On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
> >>just
> >>grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
> >>implications.
> >>
> >>[1]
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
> >>o
> >>m%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e
> 4f1
> >>7
> >>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C636414434060882785=A6
> >>I
> >>IL4SNYWP2XFTvOife92gA1t8Km4E%2Fr7QpvQ3B3mI%3D=0
> >>
> >>2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
> >><mark.kessler@usmc.mil>:
> >>
> >>> Apache Bob...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> >>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> >>>
> >>> Ick…
> >>>
> >>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Harbs
> >>>
> >>> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> >>>wrote:
> >>> >
> >>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Peter Ent]

I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell it)
because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the first
thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.

I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always seems
to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a
few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a
need for correction.

While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has
the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a
pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing.

"Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there are
any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so, maybe
"Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.

—peter



On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:

>I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid confusion
>in a marketplace.  There are lots of products named Flex, such as cars,
>diabetes testing kits, and more.  There are even other software products
>called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential
>customers about what Flex is being talked about.
>
>Mostly, we will use the term "Apache " instead of just
> when publishing things, but later in those documents we'll
>probably just refer to it as .
>
>So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal killer
>and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion.  I was more concerned
>about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might
>become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids took
>off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that.  There is also a
>Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript.
>
>That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
>called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".  Think
>of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and
>didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of
>these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize it
>wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale and
>a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
>Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
>
>I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned.  They don't
>always respond right away.  If they are not concerned, I will probably
>vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow.
>
>HTH,
>-Alex
>
>On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
>>just
>>grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
>>implications.
>>
>>[1] 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
>>o
>>m%2Fcristibalan%2Fbraid=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e4f1
>>7
>>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434060882785=A6
>>I
>>IL4SNYWP2XFTvOife92gA1t8Km4E%2Fr7QpvQ3B3mI%3D=0
>>
>>2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
>><mark.kessler@usmc.mil>:
>>
>>> Apache Bob...
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>
>>> Ick…
>>>
>>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>>>
>>> Harbs
>>>
>>> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
>>>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
>>> without diacritics.
>>> >
>>> > 
>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wi
>>>k
>>>tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e
>>>4
>>>f17%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414434060882785
>>>a
>>>=IObJoB2mvH3y8iHRBlUvDSDBXiTXitc2FPR1tPHKQ1o%3D=0
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

Lots of Bobs on GItHub.

Apache FooBob and call it a day… ;-)

Harbs

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Kessler CTR Mark J <mark.kessler@usmc.mil> 
> wrote:
> 
> Apache Bob...
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> 
> Ick…
> 
> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
> 
> Harbs
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and without 
>> diacritics.
>> 
>> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting to a
>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to the
>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>>> 
>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Om,
>>>> 
>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" is the
>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>>>> 
>>>> Piotr
>>>> 
>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja,
>>>> etc?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja
>>>> - I
>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
>>>>> Limber
>>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
>>>> Limbyr
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
>>>>>>> results,
>>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
>>>> checker
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>>>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>> to the name.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Mark K
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github.
>>>>> Let
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open
>>>>> another
>>>>>>> VOTE
>>>>>>>>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
>>>>>> here ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
>>>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>>>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>> 
>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557
>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>> 
>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Andrew Wetmore
>>> 
>>> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we just
grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
implications.

[1] https://github.com/cristibalan/braid

2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>:

> Apache Bob...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>
> Ick…
>
> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
> without diacritics.
> >
> > https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting
> to a
> >> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to
> the
> >> product to anyone who does not already use it.
> >>
> >> *bodja, booya, boha.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Om,
> >>>
> >>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" is
> the
> >>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
> >>>
> >>> Piotr
> >>>
> >>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
> >>>>
> >>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja,
> >>> etc?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja
> >>> - I
> >>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Piotr
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
> >>>> Limber
> >>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
> >>> Limbyr
> >>>>> as
> >>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
> >>>>>> results,
> >>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
> >>> checker
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>> constantly changing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Alex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
> >>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
> >>>>> changes
> >>>>>>>> to the name.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Mark K
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github.
> >>>> Let
> >>>>>> say
> >>>>>>>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open
> >>>> another
> >>>>>> VOTE
> >>>>>>>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
> >>>>> here ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>>>>
> >>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
> >>>>> skype: zarzycki10
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> >>>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>>
> >>> mobile: +48 880 859 557
> >>> skype: zarzycki10
> >>>
> >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> >>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andrew Wetmore
> >>
> >> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/
>
>


-- 

Piotr Zarzycki

mobile: +48 880 859 557
skype: zarzycki10

LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
<https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Kessler CTR Mark J]

Apache Bob...


-Original Message-
From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

Ick…

Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)

Harbs

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and without 
> diacritics.
>
> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting to a
>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to the
>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>>
>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Om,
>>>
>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" is the
>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>>>
>>> Piotr
>>>
>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>>>>
>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja,
>>> etc?
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja
>>> - I
>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
>>>> the
>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
>>>> Limber
>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
>>> Limbyr
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
>>>>>> results,
>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
>>> checker
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>> to the name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Mark K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github.
>>>> Let
>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open
>>>> another
>>>>>> VOTE
>>>>>>>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
>>>>> here ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>>>
>>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
>>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>>>
>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>
>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557
>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>
>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Wetmore
>>
>> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

To me, Flex has always just meant… Flex.

I don’t think I ever realized it had a meaning until we started talking about 
names.

Harbs

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
> Did folks like the name Flex when it came out?
> 
> I just looked and flex.com and flex.io are already taken for things
> unrelated to our Flex.  So having limber.com already taken isn't
> unprecedented, it is unfortunate that it goes to an adult site.
> 
> I know that we have to use .apache.org, but it would be nice
> to be able grab the .org and redirect it to
> .apache.org sort of like how openoffice.org does it.
> 
> 
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
> 
> 
> On 9/19/17, 11:20 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ick…
>> 
>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>> 
>> Harbs
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
>>> without diacritics.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wik
>>> tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C018cc89bdd734cf700c508d4ff8b1
>>> 95c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414420324190363
>>> =oUNQHDoRfKm2HDXd4SkncJ2E5yrO5GcODc4jX7hGAuM%3D=0
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting
>>>> to a
>>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to
>>>> the
>>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>>>> 
>>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki
>>>> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Om,
>>>>> 
>>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja"
>>>>> is the
>>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Piotr
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or
>>>>>> bo-ja,
>>>>> etc?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"
>>>>>> <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning
>>>>>>> Boja
>>>>> - I
>>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
>>>>>> Limber
>>>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
>>>>> Limbyr
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
>>>>>>>> results,
>>>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
>>>>> checker
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>>>>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

Did folks like the name Flex when it came out?

I just looked and flex.com and flex.io are already taken for things
unrelated to our Flex.  So having limber.com already taken isn't
unprecedented, it is unfortunate that it goes to an adult site.

I know that we have to use .apache.org, but it would be nice
to be able grab the .org and redirect it to
.apache.org sort of like how openoffice.org does it.


Thoughts?
-Alex


On 9/19/17, 11:20 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ick…
>
>Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>
>Harbs
>
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
>>without diacritics.
>> 
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wik
>>tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C018cc89bdd734cf700c508d4ff8b1
>>95c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636414420324190363
>>=oUNQHDoRfKm2HDXd4SkncJ2E5yrO5GcODc4jX7hGAuM%3D=0
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting
>>>to a
>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to
>>>the
>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>>> 
>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki
>>><piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Om,
>>>> 
>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja"
>>>>is the
>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>>>> 
>>>> Piotr
>>>> 
>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or
>>>>>bo-ja,
>>>> etc?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"
>>>>><piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning
>>>>>>Boja
>>>> - I
>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
>>>>> Limber
>>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
>>>> Limbyr
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
>>>>>>> results,
>>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
>>>> checker
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>>>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>> to the name.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Mark K
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

Ick…

Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)

Harbs

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and without 
> diacritics.
> 
> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting to a
>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to the
>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>> 
>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Om,
>>> 
>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" is the
>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>>> 
>>> Piotr
>>> 
>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>>>> 
>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja,
>>> etc?
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja
>>> - I
>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Piotr
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
>>>> the
>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
>>>> Limber
>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
>>> Limbyr
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
>>>>>> results,
>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
>>> checker
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>> to the name.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Mark K
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github.
>>>> Let
>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open
>>>> another
>>>>>> VOTE
>>>>>>>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
>>>>> here ?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>>> 
>>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
>>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>>> 
>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>> 
>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557
>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>> 
>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Andrew Wetmore
>> 
>> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Dave Fisher]

There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and without 
diacritics.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting to a
> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to the
> product to anyone who does not already use it.
> 
> *bodja, booya, boha.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Om,
>> 
>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" is the
>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>> 
>> Piotr
>> 
>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>>> 
>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja,
>> etc?
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja
>> - I
>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>>>> 
>>>> Piotr
>>>> 
>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
>>> the
>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
>>> Limber
>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
>> Limbyr
>>>> as
>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
>>>>> results,
>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
>> checker
>>>> is
>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
>>>> changes
>>>>>>> to the name.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Mark K
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github.
>>> Let
>>>>> say
>>>>>>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open
>>> another
>>>>> VOTE
>>>>>>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
>>>> here ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>> 
>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>> 
>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>>>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Piotr Zarzycki
>> 
>> mobile: +48 880 859 557
>> skype: zarzycki10
>> 
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
>> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Wetmore
> 
> http://cottage14.blogspot.com/

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Andrew Wetmore]

I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even resorting to a
South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer to the
product to anyone who does not already use it.

*bodja, booya, boha.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Om,
>
> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" is the
> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>
> Piotr
>
> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
> >
> > Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja,
> etc?
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja
> - I
> > > will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
> > >
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
> > > >
> > > > > On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
> > the
> > > > > vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
> > Limber
> > > > > (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using
> Limbyr
> > > as
> > > > > the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
> > > > results,
> > > > > but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell
> checker
> > > is
> > > > > constantly changing.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Alex
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
> mark.kessler@usmc.mil
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
> > > changes
> > > > >> to the name.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Mark K
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Original Message-
> > > > >> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
> > > > >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > > > >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hi,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github.
> > Let
> > > > say
> > > > >> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open
> > another
> > > > VOTE
> > > > >> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
> > > here ?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks, Piotr
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Piotr Zarzycki
> > >
> > > mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
> > > skype: zarzycki10
> > >
> > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> > > <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> mobile: +48 880 859 557
> skype: zarzycki10
>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>



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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Om,

No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja" is the
closes to how I pronounce it. :)

Piotr

2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>:

> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr
>
> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja, etc?
>
> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja - I
> > will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> > 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
> > >
> > > > On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down
> the
> > > > vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with
> Limber
> > > > (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using Limbyr
> > as
> > > > the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
> > > results,
> > > > but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell checker
> > is
> > > > constantly changing.
> > > >
> > > > -Alex
> > > >
> > > > On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <mark.kessler@usmc.mil
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
> > changes
> > > >> to the name.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -Mark K
> > > >>
> > > >> -Original Message-
> > > >> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
> > > >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > > >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github.
> Let
> > > say
> > > >> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open
> another
> > > VOTE
> > > >> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
> > here ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks, Piotr
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
> > mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
> > skype: zarzycki10
> >
> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> > <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
> >
>



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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr

Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha or bo-ja, etc?

On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja - I
> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.
>
> Piotr
>
> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
>
> > FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
> >
> > > On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down the
> > > vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with Limber
> > > (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using Limbyr
> as
> > > the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
> > results,
> > > but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell checker
> is
> > > constantly changing.
> > >
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter
> changes
> > >> to the name.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Mark K
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
> > >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> > >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github. Let
> > say
> > >> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open another
> > VOTE
> > >> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> > >>
> > >> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr
> here ?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Piotr
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
> skype: zarzycki10
>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
> <https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are mentioning Boja - I
will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having Dave's finding.

Piotr

2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:

> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>
> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down the
> > vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with Limber
> > (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using Limbyr as
> > the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search
> results,
> > but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell checker is
> > constantly changing.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter changes
> >> to the name.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Mark K
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
> >> To: dev@flex.apache.org
> >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github. Let
> say
> >> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open another
> VOTE
> >> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> >>
> >> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr here ?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Piotr
> >>
> >
>
>


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mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
> We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down the
> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with Limber
> (still not clear it will win, please state objections to using Limbyr as
> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search results,
> but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell checker is
> constantly changing.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>
> wrote:
> 
>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter changes
>> to the name.
>> 
>> 
>> -Mark K
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github. Let say
>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open another VOTE
>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>> 
>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr here ?
>> 
>> Thanks, Piotr
>> 
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

We don't have time for another vote thread.  We need to close down the
vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So, if you are ok with Limber
(still not clear it will win, please state objections to using Limbyr as
the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand out from search results,
but first, you have to remember how to spell it, and my spell checker is
constantly changing.

-Alex

On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>
wrote:

>If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter changes
>to the name.
>
>
>-Mark K
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>To: dev@flex.apache.org
>Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>
>Hi,
>
>It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github. Let say
>that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open another VOTE
>to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>
> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr here ?
>
>Thanks, Piotr
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Hi Rui,

You can vote in our VOTE thread. Community vote is important. Pickup three
names, propose yours one.

Thanks, Piotr

2017-09-19 16:06 GMT+02:00 Rui Cruz :

> I like
>
> cruzer.io (implies fast robust)
>
> 2017-09-19 14:50 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > sorry to not agree with Limbyr (or limber), but the concept and name
> > doesn't sound good to me. Although I see the intention behind.
> >
> > For me a name should be as direct as possible, that substitution of "e"
> > with "y" was something used a decade or so ago to get  2.0 names for the
> > internet, but today is not a good practice in marketing terms. We should
> > have simple names, simple icons... and there's lots of new domains where
> we
> > can find this names unregistered. Today things are very straight forward,
> > simple and direct.
> >
> > This is very subjective but for me flex is "complex", "powerful"
> technology
> > (compilers, 2 languages, multiple outputs...) that does not conform IMHO
> to
> > something limber...
> >
> > One important thing is the proximity to limber.com that Dave arise, that
> > should not be ignored since, people use to like this kind of similarities
> > to destroy brands.
> >
> > In my mind I use to try to exercise my imagination with joining proposals
> > of names to what we build, and sorry but I don't see this tech under that
> > name.
> >
> > But if people wants to introduce in the voting, as Piotr said, we should
> > create a new vote thread so people could repeat the vote and select t if
> > they want.
> >
> > Just my single opinion...
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-19 15:01 GMT+02:00 Tom Chiverton :
> >
> > > I read that as Limb Buyer. As in organ trafficking, Let's not :)
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 19/09/17 13:05, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
> > >
> > >> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > 
> >
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> >
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> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Rui Cruz]

I like

cruzer.io (implies fast robust)

2017-09-19 14:50 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira :

> Hi,
>
> sorry to not agree with Limbyr (or limber), but the concept and name
> doesn't sound good to me. Although I see the intention behind.
>
> For me a name should be as direct as possible, that substitution of "e"
> with "y" was something used a decade or so ago to get  2.0 names for the
> internet, but today is not a good practice in marketing terms. We should
> have simple names, simple icons... and there's lots of new domains where we
> can find this names unregistered. Today things are very straight forward,
> simple and direct.
>
> This is very subjective but for me flex is "complex", "powerful" technology
> (compilers, 2 languages, multiple outputs...) that does not conform IMHO to
> something limber...
>
> One important thing is the proximity to limber.com that Dave arise, that
> should not be ignored since, people use to like this kind of similarities
> to destroy brands.
>
> In my mind I use to try to exercise my imagination with joining proposals
> of names to what we build, and sorry but I don't see this tech under that
> name.
>
> But if people wants to introduce in the voting, as Piotr said, we should
> create a new vote thread so people could repeat the vote and select t if
> they want.
>
> Just my single opinion...
>
> Best
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
> 2017-09-19 15:01 GMT+02:00 Tom Chiverton :
>
> > I read that as Limb Buyer. As in organ trafficking, Let's not :)
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19/09/17 13:05, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
> >
> >> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> 
>
> Carlos Rovira
>
> Director General
>
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>
> http://www.avant2.es
>
>
> Conocenos en 1 minuto! 
>
>
> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
> información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por
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>
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> que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
> S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
> servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
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> oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Consider what Dave mention I agree with Carlos. Although I like Lymbir idea
we should not go into that name having such issues.
We have still 9 hours of voting and I'm thinking to change my VOTE cause
Beads sound to me ok, but it seems to be less powerful. Conversation on
users group seems to be also very educational - seeing that there are
people who really seeking robust technology to move from Flash.

Let's give them nice sounding name.

Thanks,
Piotr

2017-09-19 15:50 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :

> Hi,
>
> sorry to not agree with Limbyr (or limber), but the concept and name
> doesn't sound good to me. Although I see the intention behind.
>
> For me a name should be as direct as possible, that substitution of "e"
> with "y" was something used a decade or so ago to get  2.0 names for the
> internet, but today is not a good practice in marketing terms. We should
> have simple names, simple icons... and there's lots of new domains where we
> can find this names unregistered. Today things are very straight forward,
> simple and direct.
>
> This is very subjective but for me flex is "complex", "powerful" technology
> (compilers, 2 languages, multiple outputs...) that does not conform IMHO to
> something limber...
>
> One important thing is the proximity to limber.com that Dave arise, that
> should not be ignored since, people use to like this kind of similarities
> to destroy brands.
>
> In my mind I use to try to exercise my imagination with joining proposals
> of names to what we build, and sorry but I don't see this tech under that
> name.
>
> But if people wants to introduce in the voting, as Piotr said, we should
> create a new vote thread so people could repeat the vote and select t if
> they want.
>
> Just my single opinion...
>
> Best
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
> 2017-09-19 15:01 GMT+02:00 Tom Chiverton :
>
> > I read that as Limb Buyer. As in organ trafficking, Let's not :)
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19/09/17 13:05, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
> >
> >> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi,

sorry to not agree with Limbyr (or limber), but the concept and name
doesn't sound good to me. Although I see the intention behind.

For me a name should be as direct as possible, that substitution of "e"
with "y" was something used a decade or so ago to get  2.0 names for the
internet, but today is not a good practice in marketing terms. We should
have simple names, simple icons... and there's lots of new domains where we
can find this names unregistered. Today things are very straight forward,
simple and direct.

This is very subjective but for me flex is "complex", "powerful" technology
(compilers, 2 languages, multiple outputs...) that does not conform IMHO to
something limber...

One important thing is the proximity to limber.com that Dave arise, that
should not be ignored since, people use to like this kind of similarities
to destroy brands.

In my mind I use to try to exercise my imagination with joining proposals
of names to what we build, and sorry but I don't see this tech under that
name.

But if people wants to introduce in the voting, as Piotr said, we should
create a new vote thread so people could repeat the vote and select t if
they want.

Just my single opinion...

Best

Carlos



2017-09-19 15:01 GMT+02:00 Tom Chiverton :

> I read that as Limb Buyer. As in organ trafficking, Let's not :)
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> On 19/09/17 13:05, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
>
>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Tom Chiverton]

I read that as Limb Buyer. As in organ trafficking, Let's not :)

Tom


On 19/09/17 13:05, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:

to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

Keep in mind -

(1) As an Apache project the URL is limbyr.apache.org (Apple mail auto-correct 
me to limber)

(2) If independent people may hear about limbyr and type in or be 
auto-corrected to limber.com . We really don’t want anyone 
in a corporation going to an adult site.

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:52 AM, Piotr Zarzycki  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github. Let say
> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open another VOTE
> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
> 
> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr here ?
> 
> Thanks, Piotr
> 
> 
> 2017-09-19 10:44 GMT+02:00 Harbs :
> 
>> Finding names which have not yet been “taken” is tough… ;-)
>> 
>> Unusual spellings also have an advantage in search.
>> 
>> I like Limbyr.
>> 
>> Harbs
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Alex Harui 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was looking into various spellings of Limber because just about every
>>> name we came up with is already on GitHub:
>>> limber.com  is an adult site
>>> limber.org  is an observatory
>>> limber.io is about marketing
>>> royale.com  is about ticket sales
>>> royale.org  is about dogs
>>> royale.io is owned by somebody.
>>> 
>>> Lymber is a fitness app and a software company.
>>> 
>>> limbr.org , limbr.com , limbr.io
>> are already taken
>>> 
>>> LIMBYR is interesting.  A couple of sites say it is an acronym [1][2].  I
>>> didn't read the linked pages in detail, but it seemed to have positive
>>> connotations like Royale.
>>> 
>>> limbyr.io, limbyr.org , limbyr.com <
>> http://limbyr.com/> don't seem to be in use, and limbyr has
>>> no matches Github.  Unusual spellings still have drawbacks in that folks
>>> may have a hard time remembering how to spell it and may end up at
>>> limber.*.
>>> 
>>> Can someone own an acronym like LIMBYR?  Otherwise, that is my new
>>> favorite.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> -Alex
>>> 
>>> [1]
>>> http://acronymsmeanings.com/full-meaning-of/limbyr/limbyr-
>> stands-for-limbyr > full-meaning-of/limbyr/limbyr-stands-for-limbyr>
>>> -means
>>> [2] http://www.whatmeanings.com/5/meaning-of/limbyr <
>> http://www.whatmeanings.com/5/meaning-of/limbyr>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/18/17, 4:30 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" > > wrote:
>>> 
 Carlos,
 
 You are right, I'm sorry if my tone was to harsh! Too much storm lately
 around all of this. I hope soon we will have better weather. :)
 
 Best Piotr!
 
 2017-09-18 13:26 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira >> :
 
> Hi Piotr,
> 
> I think people could pick "Beads" as one of his options. We're all free
> to
> choose whatever we want.
> But I think this DISCUSS thread is very useful as well to express why
> this
> or that option should be considered for people voting
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-09-18 11:54 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
> 
>> That's why we have VOTE thread, anyone can express their needs by
> picking
>> up some options.
>> 
>> Encourage everyone for voting! Let's have it done!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Piotr
>> 
>> 
>> 2017-09-18 11:48 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :
>> 
>>> I agree with Om, that naming a project with one of the features is
> not
> a
>>> good strategy in marketing terms.
>>> 
>>> Beads-Strand is a good feature that said a lot about the compositing
>> nature
>>> behind it, and something very relevant in FlexJS, but not should be
> its
>>> identifier. There's much more in our technology to focus naming in
> one
> of
>>> its benefits.
>>> 
>>> I always go to our competitors: Think about "Angular"...is just a
> cool
>> name
>>> and with no implications about the internals in that framework.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Carlos
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2017-09-18 7:30 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
> :
>>> 
 One point of clarification.
 
 The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not
> in
> the
 Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be
>> FalconWebAssemby
>>> or
 FalconIOS.
 
 Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting
> only
>>> the
 SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?
 
 Thanks,
 Om
 
 
 On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:
 
> 

RE: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Kessler CTR Mark J]

If limber wins, a simple discussion thread should resolve letter changes to the 
name.


-Mark K

-Original Message-
From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

Hi,

It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github. Let say
that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open another VOTE
to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.

 Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr here ?

Thanks, Piotr

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Hi,

It has advantage of having the name which do not exist on github. Let say
that Limber with win in the voting - We probably have to open another VOTE
to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.

 Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing Limber to Limbyr here ?

Thanks, Piotr


2017-09-19 10:44 GMT+02:00 Harbs :

> Finding names which have not yet been “taken” is tough… ;-)
>
> Unusual spellings also have an advantage in search.
>
> I like Limbyr.
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Alex Harui 
> wrote:
> >
> > I was looking into various spellings of Limber because just about every
> > name we came up with is already on GitHub:
> >  limber.com  is an adult site
> >  limber.org  is an observatory
> >  limber.io is about marketing
> >  royale.com  is about ticket sales
> >  royale.org  is about dogs
> >  royale.io is owned by somebody.
> >
> > Lymber is a fitness app and a software company.
> >
> > limbr.org , limbr.com , limbr.io
> are already taken
> >
> > LIMBYR is interesting.  A couple of sites say it is an acronym [1][2].  I
> > didn't read the linked pages in detail, but it seemed to have positive
> > connotations like Royale.
> >
> > limbyr.io, limbyr.org , limbyr.com <
> http://limbyr.com/> don't seem to be in use, and limbyr has
> > no matches Github.  Unusual spellings still have drawbacks in that folks
> > may have a hard time remembering how to spell it and may end up at
> > limber.*.
> >
> > Can someone own an acronym like LIMBYR?  Otherwise, that is my new
> > favorite.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > -Alex
> >
> > [1]
> > http://acronymsmeanings.com/full-meaning-of/limbyr/limbyr-
> stands-for-limbyr  full-meaning-of/limbyr/limbyr-stands-for-limbyr>
> > -means
> > [2] http://www.whatmeanings.com/5/meaning-of/limbyr <
> http://www.whatmeanings.com/5/meaning-of/limbyr>
> >
> >
> > On 9/18/17, 4:30 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  > wrote:
> >
> >> Carlos,
> >>
> >> You are right, I'm sorry if my tone was to harsh! Too much storm lately
> >> around all of this. I hope soon we will have better weather. :)
> >>
> >> Best Piotr!
> >>
> >> 2017-09-18 13:26 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira  >:
> >>
> >>> Hi Piotr,
> >>>
> >>> I think people could pick "Beads" as one of his options. We're all free
> >>> to
> >>> choose whatever we want.
> >>> But I think this DISCUSS thread is very useful as well to express why
> >>> this
> >>> or that option should be considered for people voting
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2017-09-18 11:54 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
> >>>
>  That's why we have VOTE thread, anyone can express their needs by
> >>> picking
>  up some options.
> 
>  Encourage everyone for voting! Let's have it done!
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Piotr
> 
> 
>  2017-09-18 11:48 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :
> 
> > I agree with Om, that naming a project with one of the features is
> >>> not
> >>> a
> > good strategy in marketing terms.
> >
> > Beads-Strand is a good feature that said a lot about the compositing
>  nature
> > behind it, and something very relevant in FlexJS, but not should be
> >>> its
> > identifier. There's much more in our technology to focus naming in
> >>> one
> >>> of
> > its benefits.
> >
> > I always go to our competitors: Think about "Angular"...is just a
> >>> cool
>  name
> > and with no implications about the internals in that framework.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-18 7:30 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
> >>> :
> >
> >> One point of clarification.
> >>
> >> The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not
> >>> in
> >>> the
> >> Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be
>  FalconWebAssemby
> > or
> >> FalconIOS.
> >>
> >> Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting
> >>> only
> > the
> >> SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Om
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Piotr,
> >>>
> >>> If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in
> >>> time
> > today.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Harbs
> >>>
>  On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything
> >>> against.
> > If
>  someone can start earlier that would be great.
> 
>  Proposed title:

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

Finding names which have not yet been “taken” is tough… ;-)

Unusual spellings also have an advantage in search.

I like Limbyr.

Harbs

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Alex Harui  wrote:
> 
> I was looking into various spellings of Limber because just about every
> name we came up with is already on GitHub:
>  limber.com  is an adult site
>  limber.org  is an observatory
>  limber.io is about marketing
>  royale.com  is about ticket sales
>  royale.org  is about dogs
>  royale.io is owned by somebody.
> 
> Lymber is a fitness app and a software company.
> 
> limbr.org , limbr.com , limbr.io are 
> already taken
> 
> LIMBYR is interesting.  A couple of sites say it is an acronym [1][2].  I
> didn't read the linked pages in detail, but it seemed to have positive
> connotations like Royale.
> 
> limbyr.io, limbyr.org , limbyr.com  
> don't seem to be in use, and limbyr has
> no matches Github.  Unusual spellings still have drawbacks in that folks
> may have a hard time remembering how to spell it and may end up at
> limber.*.
> 
> Can someone own an acronym like LIMBYR?  Otherwise, that is my new
> favorite.
> 
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
> 
> [1] 
> http://acronymsmeanings.com/full-meaning-of/limbyr/limbyr-stands-for-limbyr 
> 
> -means
> [2] http://www.whatmeanings.com/5/meaning-of/limbyr 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/18/17, 4:30 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  > wrote:
> 
>> Carlos,
>> 
>> You are right, I'm sorry if my tone was to harsh! Too much storm lately
>> around all of this. I hope soon we will have better weather. :)
>> 
>> Best Piotr!
>> 
>> 2017-09-18 13:26 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :
>> 
>>> Hi Piotr,
>>> 
>>> I think people could pick "Beads" as one of his options. We're all free
>>> to
>>> choose whatever we want.
>>> But I think this DISCUSS thread is very useful as well to express why
>>> this
>>> or that option should be considered for people voting
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2017-09-18 11:54 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
>>> 
 That's why we have VOTE thread, anyone can express their needs by
>>> picking
 up some options.
 
 Encourage everyone for voting! Let's have it done!
 
 Thanks,
 Piotr
 
 
 2017-09-18 11:48 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :
 
> I agree with Om, that naming a project with one of the features is
>>> not
>>> a
> good strategy in marketing terms.
> 
> Beads-Strand is a good feature that said a lot about the compositing
 nature
> behind it, and something very relevant in FlexJS, but not should be
>>> its
> identifier. There's much more in our technology to focus naming in
>>> one
>>> of
> its benefits.
> 
> I always go to our competitors: Think about "Angular"...is just a
>>> cool
 name
> and with no implications about the internals in that framework.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-09-18 7:30 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
>>> :
> 
>> One point of clarification.
>> 
>> The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not
>>> in
>>> the
>> Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be
 FalconWebAssemby
> or
>> FalconIOS.
>> 
>> Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting
>>> only
> the
>> SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Piotr,
>>> 
>>> If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in
>>> time
> today.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Harbs
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
 
 I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything
>>> against.
> If
 someone can start earlier that would be great.
 
 Proposed title:
 [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of
>>> FlexJS?
 
 List
 
 Description of VOTE from Harbs.
 
 VOTE itself:
 
 1) Name +1 (Binding)
 2) Second Proposal
 3) Third proposal
 
 Does it look ok?
 
 Piotr
 
 On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and
 start a
>>> VOTE
> by Harbs's system.
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

I was looking into various spellings of Limber because just about every
name we came up with is already on GitHub:
  limber.com is an adult site
  limber.org is an observatory
  limber.io is about marketing
  royale.com is about ticket sales
  royale.org is about dogs
  royale.io is owned by somebody.

Lymber is a fitness app and a software company.

limbr.org, limbr.com, limbr.io are already taken

LIMBYR is interesting.  A couple of sites say it is an acronym [1][2].  I
didn't read the linked pages in detail, but it seemed to have positive
connotations like Royale.

limbyr.io, limbyr.org, limbyr.com don't seem to be in use, and limbyr has
no matches Github.  Unusual spellings still have drawbacks in that folks
may have a hard time remembering how to spell it and may end up at
limber.*.

Can someone own an acronym like LIMBYR?  Otherwise, that is my new
favorite.

Thoughts?
-Alex

[1] 
http://acronymsmeanings.com/full-meaning-of/limbyr/limbyr-stands-for-limbyr
-means
[2] http://www.whatmeanings.com/5/meaning-of/limbyr


On 9/18/17, 4:30 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:

>Carlos,
>
>You are right, I'm sorry if my tone was to harsh! Too much storm lately
>around all of this. I hope soon we will have better weather. :)
>
>Best Piotr!
>
>2017-09-18 13:26 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :
>
>> Hi Piotr,
>>
>> I think people could pick "Beads" as one of his options. We're all free
>>to
>> choose whatever we want.
>> But I think this DISCUSS thread is very useful as well to express why
>>this
>> or that option should be considered for people voting
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-18 11:54 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
>>
>> > That's why we have VOTE thread, anyone can express their needs by
>>picking
>> > up some options.
>> >
>> > Encourage everyone for voting! Let's have it done!
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Piotr
>> >
>> >
>> > 2017-09-18 11:48 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :
>> >
>> > > I agree with Om, that naming a project with one of the features is
>>not
>> a
>> > > good strategy in marketing terms.
>> > >
>> > > Beads-Strand is a good feature that said a lot about the compositing
>> > nature
>> > > behind it, and something very relevant in FlexJS, but not should be
>>its
>> > > identifier. There's much more in our technology to focus naming in
>>one
>> of
>> > > its benefits.
>> > >
>> > > I always go to our competitors: Think about "Angular"...is just a
>>cool
>> > name
>> > > and with no implications about the internals in that framework.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Carlos
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2017-09-18 7:30 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
>>:
>> > >
>> > > > One point of clarification.
>> > > >
>> > > > The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not
>>in
>> the
>> > > > Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be
>> > FalconWebAssemby
>> > > or
>> > > > FalconIOS.
>> > > >
>> > > > Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting
>> only
>> > > the
>> > > > SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Om
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi Piotr,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in
>>time
>> > > today.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Harbs
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
>> > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything
>> against.
>> > > If
>> > > > > > someone can start earlier that would be great.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Proposed title:
>> > > > > > [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of
>> FlexJS?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > List
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Description of VOTE from Harbs.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > VOTE itself:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 1) Name +1 (Binding)
>> > > > > > 2) Second Proposal
>> > > > > > 3) Third proposal
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Does it look ok?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Piotr
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki <
>> > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and
>> > start a
>> > > > > VOTE
>> > > > > >> by Harbs's system.
>> > > > > >> Let it be max 10 props.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Piotr
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui
>>> >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
>> > > > > >>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flink.spr
>>inger.com%2Farticle%2F10.1007%2FBF00143947=02%7C01%7C%7Ce690b4d4753f
>>4611347908d4fe88be85%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364133

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Carlos,

You are right, I'm sorry if my tone was to harsh! Too much storm lately
around all of this. I hope soon we will have better weather. :)

Best Piotr!

2017-09-18 13:26 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :

> Hi Piotr,
>
> I think people could pick "Beads" as one of his options. We're all free to
> choose whatever we want.
> But I think this DISCUSS thread is very useful as well to express why this
> or that option should be considered for people voting
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> 2017-09-18 11:54 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :
>
> > That's why we have VOTE thread, anyone can express their needs by picking
> > up some options.
> >
> > Encourage everyone for voting! Let's have it done!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-18 11:48 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :
> >
> > > I agree with Om, that naming a project with one of the features is not
> a
> > > good strategy in marketing terms.
> > >
> > > Beads-Strand is a good feature that said a lot about the compositing
> > nature
> > > behind it, and something very relevant in FlexJS, but not should be its
> > > identifier. There's much more in our technology to focus naming in one
> of
> > > its benefits.
> > >
> > > I always go to our competitors: Think about "Angular"...is just a cool
> > name
> > > and with no implications about the internals in that framework.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2017-09-18 7:30 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala :
> > >
> > > > One point of clarification.
> > > >
> > > > The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not in
> the
> > > > Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be
> > FalconWebAssemby
> > > or
> > > > FalconIOS.
> > > >
> > > > Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting
> only
> > > the
> > > > SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Om
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Piotr,
> > > > >
> > > > > If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in time
> > > today.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Harbs
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything
> against.
> > > If
> > > > > > someone can start earlier that would be great.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Proposed title:
> > > > > > [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of
> FlexJS?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > List
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Description of VOTE from Harbs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > VOTE itself:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Name +1 (Binding)
> > > > > > 2) Second Proposal
> > > > > > 3) Third proposal
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does it look ok?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Piotr
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and
> > start a
> > > > > VOTE
> > > > > >> by Harbs's system.
> > > > > >> Let it be max 10 props.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Piotr
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui  >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
> > > > > >>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is
> > > whether
> > > > > we'd
> > > > > >>> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.
> > > That
> > > > > got
> > > > > >>> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new
> project
> > > name
> > > > > >>> should be an acronym.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend
> > > Over
> > > > > >>> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an
> > > > acronym
> > > > > >>> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of
> > BOJA.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on
> > GitHub
> > > > for
> > > > > >>> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
> > > > > >>> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
> > > > > >>> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application
> > > > Server".
> > > > > >>> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
> > > > > >>> -Alex
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >  To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the
> > proposed
> > > > > name.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried
> > > > chicken
> > > > >  restaurants.
> > > > >  

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi Piotr,

I think people could pick "Beads" as one of his options. We're all free to
choose whatever we want.
But I think this DISCUSS thread is very useful as well to express why this
or that option should be considered for people voting

Thanks



2017-09-18 11:54 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki :

> That's why we have VOTE thread, anyone can express their needs by picking
> up some options.
>
> Encourage everyone for voting! Let's have it done!
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
>
> 2017-09-18 11:48 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :
>
> > I agree with Om, that naming a project with one of the features is not a
> > good strategy in marketing terms.
> >
> > Beads-Strand is a good feature that said a lot about the compositing
> nature
> > behind it, and something very relevant in FlexJS, but not should be its
> > identifier. There's much more in our technology to focus naming in one of
> > its benefits.
> >
> > I always go to our competitors: Think about "Angular"...is just a cool
> name
> > and with no implications about the internals in that framework.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-18 7:30 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala :
> >
> > > One point of clarification.
> > >
> > > The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not in the
> > > Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be
> FalconWebAssemby
> > or
> > > FalconIOS.
> > >
> > > Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting only
> > the
> > > SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Om
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Piotr,
> > > >
> > > > If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in time
> > today.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Harbs
> > > >
> > > > > On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything against.
> > If
> > > > > someone can start earlier that would be great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Proposed title:
> > > > > [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of FlexJS?
> > > > >
> > > > > List
> > > > >
> > > > > Description of VOTE from Harbs.
> > > > >
> > > > > VOTE itself:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Name +1 (Binding)
> > > > > 2) Second Proposal
> > > > > 3) Third proposal
> > > > >
> > > > > Does it look ok?
> > > > >
> > > > > Piotr
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and
> start a
> > > > VOTE
> > > > >> by Harbs's system.
> > > > >> Let it be max 10 props.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Piotr
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
> > > > >>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is
> > whether
> > > > we'd
> > > > >>> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.
> > That
> > > > got
> > > > >>> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project
> > name
> > > > >>> should be an acronym.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend
> > Over
> > > > >>> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an
> > > acronym
> > > > >>> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of
> BOJA.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on
> GitHub
> > > for
> > > > >>> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
> > > > >>> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
> > > > >>> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application
> > > Server".
> > > > >>> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
> > > > >>> -Alex
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > >  To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the
> proposed
> > > > name.
> > > > 
> > > >  BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried
> > > chicken
> > > >  restaurants.
> > > >  Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you
> > > > thought it
> > > >  meant?
> > > >  Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match
> > but
> > > > >>> didn't
> > > >  check all.
> > > > 
> > > > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> > > > 2F%2Fgithub.co
> > > > >>>
> > > >  m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d
> > > > 2408d4fd90895d
> > > > >>>
> > > >  %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63641224461979
> > > > 2854=JXw
> > > >  

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

That's why we have VOTE thread, anyone can express their needs by picking
up some options.

Encourage everyone for voting! Let's have it done!

Thanks,
Piotr


2017-09-18 11:48 GMT+02:00 Carlos Rovira :

> I agree with Om, that naming a project with one of the features is not a
> good strategy in marketing terms.
>
> Beads-Strand is a good feature that said a lot about the compositing nature
> behind it, and something very relevant in FlexJS, but not should be its
> identifier. There's much more in our technology to focus naming in one of
> its benefits.
>
> I always go to our competitors: Think about "Angular"...is just a cool name
> and with no implications about the internals in that framework.
>
> Thanks
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
> 2017-09-18 7:30 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala :
>
> > One point of clarification.
> >
> > The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not in the
> > Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be FalconWebAssemby
> or
> > FalconIOS.
> >
> > Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting only
> the
> > SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Piotr,
> > >
> > > If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in time
> today.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Harbs
> > >
> > > > On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything against.
> If
> > > > someone can start earlier that would be great.
> > > >
> > > > Proposed title:
> > > > [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of FlexJS?
> > > >
> > > > List
> > > >
> > > > Description of VOTE from Harbs.
> > > >
> > > > VOTE itself:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Name +1 (Binding)
> > > > 2) Second Proposal
> > > > 3) Third proposal
> > > >
> > > > Does it look ok?
> > > >
> > > > Piotr
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and start a
> > > VOTE
> > > >> by Harbs's system.
> > > >> Let it be max 10 props.
> > > >>
> > > >> Piotr
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui 
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
> > > >>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is
> whether
> > > we'd
> > > >>> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.
> That
> > > got
> > > >>> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project
> name
> > > >>> should be an acronym.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend
> Over
> > > >>> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an
> > acronym
> > > >>> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of BOJA.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on GitHub
> > for
> > > >>> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
> > > >>> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
> > > >>> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application
> > Server".
> > > >>> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
> > > >>> -Alex
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui" 
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed
> > > name.
> > > 
> > >  BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried
> > chicken
> > >  restaurants.
> > >  Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you
> > > thought it
> > >  meant?
> > >  Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match
> but
> > > >>> didn't
> > >  check all.
> > > 
> > > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> > > 2F%2Fgithub.co
> > > >>>
> > >  m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d
> > > 2408d4fd90895d
> > > >>>
> > >  %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63641224461979
> > > 2854=JXw
> > >  %2BN2o57mQyhCtuQy2NXKnzRLkZSK6nLzp62OU6FG8%3D=0 is
> "Simple
> > >  JavaScript application for
> > >  drawing in HTML5 canvas"
> > > 
> > >  -Alex
> > > 
> > >  [1]
> > > 
> > > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> > > 2F%2Fen.wiktio
> > >  nary.org
> > > >>> %2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d%
> > > >>>
> > >  7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792
> > > 854=cr6x
> > >  p272SB%2FCmqxvbx%2FXEHnVx03AlQpIzlAA4tUQAaw%3D=0
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

I agree with Om, that naming a project with one of the features is not a
good strategy in marketing terms.

Beads-Strand is a good feature that said a lot about the compositing nature
behind it, and something very relevant in FlexJS, but not should be its
identifier. There's much more in our technology to focus naming in one of
its benefits.

I always go to our competitors: Think about "Angular"...is just a cool name
and with no implications about the internals in that framework.

Thanks

Carlos



2017-09-18 7:30 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala :

> One point of clarification.
>
> The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not in the
> Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be FalconWebAssemby or
> FalconIOS.
>
> Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting only the
> SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>
> > Hi Piotr,
> >
> > If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in time today.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Harbs
> >
> > > On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything against. If
> > > someone can start earlier that would be great.
> > >
> > > Proposed title:
> > > [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of FlexJS?
> > >
> > > List
> > >
> > > Description of VOTE from Harbs.
> > >
> > > VOTE itself:
> > >
> > > 1) Name +1 (Binding)
> > > 2) Second Proposal
> > > 3) Third proposal
> > >
> > > Does it look ok?
> > >
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and start a
> > VOTE
> > >> by Harbs's system.
> > >> Let it be max 10 props.
> > >>
> > >> Piotr
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
> > >>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
> > >>>
> > >>> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is whether
> > we'd
> > >>> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.  That
> > got
> > >>> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project name
> > >>> should be an acronym.
> > >>>
> > >>> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend Over
> > >>> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an
> acronym
> > >>> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of BOJA.
> > >>>
> > >>> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on GitHub
> for
> > >>> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
> > >>> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
> > >>> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application
> Server".
> > >>> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
> > >>>
> > >>> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
> > >>> -Alex
> > >>>
> > >>> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> > >>>
> >  To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed
> > name.
> > 
> >  BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried
> chicken
> >  restaurants.
> >  Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you
> > thought it
> >  meant?
> >  Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match but
> > >>> didn't
> >  check all.
> > 
> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> > 2F%2Fgithub.co
> > >>>
> >  m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d
> > 2408d4fd90895d
> > >>>
> >  %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63641224461979
> > 2854=JXw
> >  %2BN2o57mQyhCtuQy2NXKnzRLkZSK6nLzp62OU6FG8%3D=0 is "Simple
> >  JavaScript application for
> >  drawing in HTML5 canvas"
> > 
> >  -Alex
> > 
> >  [1]
> > 
> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> > 2F%2Fen.wiktio
> >  nary.org
> > >>> %2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d%
> > >>>
> >  7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792
> > 854=cr6x
> >  p272SB%2FCmqxvbx%2FXEHnVx03AlQpIzlAA4tUQAaw%3D=0
> > 
> > 
> >  On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui  >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
> > >>
> > >> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project
> > call
> > >> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
> > >>
> > >> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

One point of clarification.

The Beads concept comes into play only in the FlexJS SDK and not in the
Flex Falcon or FalconJX compiler.  Some day it could be FalconWebAssemby or
FalconIOS.

Naming the Apache project as Beads means that we are highlighting only the
SDK and not the cross-compilers.  Are we okay with that?

Thanks,
Om


On Sep 17, 2017 4:00 AM, "Harbs"  wrote:

> Hi Piotr,
>
> If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in time today.
>
> Thanks,
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
> >
> > I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything against. If
> > someone can start earlier that would be great.
> >
> > Proposed title:
> > [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of FlexJS?
> >
> > List
> >
> > Description of VOTE from Harbs.
> >
> > VOTE itself:
> >
> > 1) Name +1 (Binding)
> > 2) Second Proposal
> > 3) Third proposal
> >
> > Does it look ok?
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and start a
> VOTE
> >> by Harbs's system.
> >> Let it be max 10 props.
> >>
> >> Piotr
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
> >>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
> >>>
> >>> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is whether
> we'd
> >>> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.  That
> got
> >>> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project name
> >>> should be an acronym.
> >>>
> >>> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend Over
> >>> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an acronym
> >>> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of BOJA.
> >>>
> >>> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on GitHub for
> >>> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
> >>> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
> >>> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application Server".
> >>> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
> >>>
> >>> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
> >>>
>  To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed
> name.
> 
>  BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried chicken
>  restaurants.
>  Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you
> thought it
>  meant?
>  Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match but
> >>> didn't
>  check all.
> 
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fgithub.co
> >>>
>  m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d
> 2408d4fd90895d
> >>>
>  %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63641224461979
> 2854=JXw
>  %2BN2o57mQyhCtuQy2NXKnzRLkZSK6nLzp62OU6FG8%3D=0 is "Simple
>  JavaScript application for
>  drawing in HTML5 canvas"
> 
>  -Alex
> 
>  [1]
> 
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fen.wiktio
>  nary.org
> >>> %2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d%
> >>>
>  7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792
> 854=cr6x
>  p272SB%2FCmqxvbx%2FXEHnVx03AlQpIzlAA4tUQAaw%3D=0
> 
> 
>  On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> 
> >
> >> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
> >>
> >> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project
> call
> >> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
> >>
> >> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
> >>
> >>
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fgithub.
> >> c
> >>>
> >> om%2FMediaMath%2Fstrand=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee
> 0a08d4fd8e51
> >> 9
> >>>
> >> b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364122350772
> 72615=
> >> Y
> >> k5oLCpwtkSlGYJSqsfSd1dyRNl3rOx9LiNQh4IHLQU%3D=0.  It is a
> >> "collection of modular,
> >> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
> >>
> >> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
> >>
> >>
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
> 2F%2Fgithub.
> >> c
> >>>
> >> om%2Forsjb%2Fbeads=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d
> 4fd8e519b%7C
> >> f
> >>>
> >> a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615
> =OQuLf
> >> 5
> >> ueW9aEbEV2rKSndy%2FbCHgWU33N0FgXG%2B%2BHmKc%3D=0 claims
> to be
> >> "The Beads Project".
> >>
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Not sure what are you asking. I should probably use Beads instead Bead in
the VOTE. Do you think that list should be updated with

Bead -> Beads
Strand -> Strands

Piotr


2017-09-17 21:38 GMT+02:00 Harbs :

> Question:
>
> In the vote, is it for the exact name? For example “Beadz” and “Limbre”
> seem to be much less used than “Beads” and “Limber”.
>
> Thanks,
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 17, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Carlos Rovira <
> carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I think it would be good to start that vote thread with some
> possibilities.
> > I think we should put the three most wanted over ten, since is what we
> > should found in some election systems. We get to the final stage the most
> > popular ones to vote. I think if we put ten options we'll end with a
> > difficult decision making people split their votes through such amount of
> > candidates.
> >
> > @Piotr, as Harbs said if you want to start the vote thread that would be
> > good! :)
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-17 17:50 GMT+02:00 Erik de Bruin :
> >
> >> Royale: 710 repos match Royale on Github. One,
> >> https://github.com/ian-culleton/royale is a "React-esque framework for
> >> Javascript"
> >>
> >> That is a little close to home...
> >>
> >> EdB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Alex Harui 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
> >>>
> >>> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
> >>> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
> >>>
> >>> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
> >>> https://github.com/MediaMath/strand.  It is a "collection of modular,
> >>> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
> >>>
> >>> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
> >>> https://github.com/orsjb/beads claims to be "The Beads Project".
> >>>
> >>> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
> >>> https://github.com/evanw/bend is a "statically-typed programming
> >> language
> >>> for the web"
> >>>
> >>> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
> >>> https://github.com/ggoodman/limber is a "Javascript graphics engine
> >>> written in coffee-script"
> >>>
> >>> Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
> >>> interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
> >>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boinga
> >>> https://definithing.com/boinga/
> >>> And used in a song in a popular children's animation sung by Alicia
> Keys.
> >>>
> >>> Names like Böja are interesting, but for me, typing letters with
> >>> accents/umlauts/grave is hard for me.
> >>>
> >>> HTH,
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/16/17, 3:33 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >>>
>  I like this one.
> 
>  Harbs
> 
> > On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Braid (bunch of strands, right?)
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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> >
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> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

Question:

In the vote, is it for the exact name? For example “Beadz” and “Limbre” seem to 
be much less used than “Beads” and “Limber”.

Thanks,
Harbs

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Carlos Rovira  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I think it would be good to start that vote thread with some possibilities.
> I think we should put the three most wanted over ten, since is what we
> should found in some election systems. We get to the final stage the most
> popular ones to vote. I think if we put ten options we'll end with a
> difficult decision making people split their votes through such amount of
> candidates.
> 
> @Piotr, as Harbs said if you want to start the vote thread that would be
> good! :)
> 
> Best
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
> 2017-09-17 17:50 GMT+02:00 Erik de Bruin :
> 
>> Royale: 710 repos match Royale on Github. One,
>> https://github.com/ian-culleton/royale is a "React-esque framework for
>> Javascript"
>> 
>> That is a little close to home...
>> 
>> EdB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Alex Harui 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
>>> 
>>> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
>>> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
>>> 
>>> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
>>> https://github.com/MediaMath/strand.  It is a "collection of modular,
>>> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
>>> 
>>> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
>>> https://github.com/orsjb/beads claims to be "The Beads Project".
>>> 
>>> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
>>> https://github.com/evanw/bend is a "statically-typed programming
>> language
>>> for the web"
>>> 
>>> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
>>> https://github.com/ggoodman/limber is a "Javascript graphics engine
>>> written in coffee-script"
>>> 
>>> Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
>>> interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boinga
>>> https://definithing.com/boinga/
>>> And used in a song in a popular children's animation sung by Alicia Keys.
>>> 
>>> Names like Böja are interesting, but for me, typing letters with
>>> accents/umlauts/grave is hard for me.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> -Alex
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/16/17, 3:33 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>>> 
 I like this one.
 
 Harbs
 
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore 
> wrote:
> 
> Braid (bunch of strands, right?)
 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Ix Multimedia Software
>> 
>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>> 
>> T. 06-51952295
>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Carlos Rovira
> 
> Director General
> 
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> 
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> 
> http://www.avant2.es
> 
> 
> Conocenos en 1 minuto! 
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> necesaria.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi

I think it would be good to start that vote thread with some possibilities.
I think we should put the three most wanted over ten, since is what we
should found in some election systems. We get to the final stage the most
popular ones to vote. I think if we put ten options we'll end with a
difficult decision making people split their votes through such amount of
candidates.

@Piotr, as Harbs said if you want to start the vote thread that would be
good! :)

Best

Carlos


2017-09-17 17:50 GMT+02:00 Erik de Bruin :

> Royale: 710 repos match Royale on Github. One,
> https://github.com/ian-culleton/royale is a "React-esque framework for
> Javascript"
>
> That is a little close to home...
>
> EdB
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Alex Harui 
> wrote:
>
> > A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
> >
> > Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
> > BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
> >
> > Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
> > https://github.com/MediaMath/strand.  It is a "collection of modular,
> > reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
> >
> > Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
> > https://github.com/orsjb/beads claims to be "The Beads Project".
> >
> > Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
> > https://github.com/evanw/bend is a "statically-typed programming
> language
> > for the web"
> >
> > Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
> > https://github.com/ggoodman/limber is a "Javascript graphics engine
> > written in coffee-script"
> >
> > Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
> > interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
> > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boinga
> > https://definithing.com/boinga/
> > And used in a song in a popular children's animation sung by Alicia Keys.
> >
> > Names like Böja are interesting, but for me, typing letters with
> > accents/umlauts/grave is hard for me.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -Alex
> >
> >
> > On 9/16/17, 3:33 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >
> > >I like this one.
> > >
> > >Harbs
> > >
> > >> On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore 
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Braid (bunch of strands, right?)
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ix Multimedia Software
>
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
>
> T. 06-51952295
> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>



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necesaria.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Erik de Bruin]

Royale: 710 repos match Royale on Github. One,
https://github.com/ian-culleton/royale is a "React-esque framework for
Javascript"

That is a little close to home...

EdB



On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
>
> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
>
> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
> https://github.com/MediaMath/strand.  It is a "collection of modular,
> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
>
> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
> https://github.com/orsjb/beads claims to be "The Beads Project".
>
> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
> https://github.com/evanw/bend is a "statically-typed programming language
> for the web"
>
> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
> https://github.com/ggoodman/limber is a "Javascript graphics engine
> written in coffee-script"
>
> Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
> interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boinga
> https://definithing.com/boinga/
> And used in a song in a popular children's animation sung by Alicia Keys.
>
> Names like Böja are interesting, but for me, typing letters with
> accents/umlauts/grave is hard for me.
>
> HTH,
> -Alex
>
>
> On 9/16/17, 3:33 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>
> >I like this one.
> >
> >Harbs
> >
> >> On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore 
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> Braid (bunch of strands, right?)
> >
>
>


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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

Hi Piotr,

If you can start it that would be great. I’m very limited in time today.

Thanks,
Harbs

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Piotr Zarzycki  
> wrote:
> 
> I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything against. If
> someone can start earlier that would be great.
> 
> Proposed title:
> [VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of FlexJS?
> 
> List
> 
> Description of VOTE from Harbs.
> 
> VOTE itself:
> 
> 1) Name +1 (Binding)
> 2) Second Proposal
> 3) Third proposal
> 
> Does it look ok?
> 
> Piotr
> 
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
> 
>> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and start a VOTE
>> by Harbs's system.
>> Let it be max 10 props.
>> 
>> Piotr
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui  wrote:
>> 
>>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
>>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
>>> 
>>> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is whether we'd
>>> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.  That got
>>> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project name
>>> should be an acronym.
>>> 
>>> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend Over
>>> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an acronym
>>> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of BOJA.
>>> 
>>> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on GitHub for
>>> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
>>> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
>>> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application Server".
>>> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
>>> 
>>> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
>>> -Alex
>>> 
>>> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>>> 
 To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed name.
 
 BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried chicken
 restaurants.
 Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you thought it
 meant?
 Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match but
>>> didn't
 check all.
 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co
>>> 
 m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d
>>> 
 %7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792854=JXw
 %2BN2o57mQyhCtuQy2NXKnzRLkZSK6nLzp62OU6FG8%3D=0 is "Simple
 JavaScript application for
 drawing in HTML5 canvas"
 
 -Alex
 
 [1]
 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktio
 nary.org
>>> %2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d%
>>> 
 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792854=cr6x
 p272SB%2FCmqxvbx%2FXEHnVx03AlQpIzlAA4tUQAaw%3D=0
 
 
 On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
>> 
>> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
>> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
>> 
>> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
>> 
>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>> c
>>> 
>> om%2FMediaMath%2Fstrand=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e51
>> 9
>>> 
>> b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=
>> Y
>> k5oLCpwtkSlGYJSqsfSd1dyRNl3rOx9LiNQh4IHLQU%3D=0.  It is a
>> "collection of modular,
>> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
>> 
>> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
>> 
>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>> c
>>> 
>> om%2Forsjb%2Fbeads=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7C
>> f
>>> 
>> a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=OQuLf
>> 5
>> ueW9aEbEV2rKSndy%2FbCHgWU33N0FgXG%2B%2BHmKc%3D=0 claims to be
>> "The Beads Project".
>> 
>> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
>> 
>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>> c
>>> 
>> om%2Fevanw%2Fbend=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cf
>> a
>>> 
>> 7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=dpS%2F
>> g
>> FLFnwl0X2lgFfRpmHE1hrNeS7A2XnZ5ofFWqD4%3D=0 is a
>> "statically-typed programming language
>> for the web"
>> 
>> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
>> 
>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>> c
>>> 
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

I can start the VOTE within 12H cause I don't see anything against. If
someone can start earlier that would be great.

Proposed title:
[VOTE] What should be new project name for proposed fork of FlexJS?

List

Description of VOTE from Harbs.

VOTE itself:

1) Name +1 (Binding)
2) Second Proposal
3) Third proposal

Does it look ok?

Piotr

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and start a VOTE
> by Harbs's system.
> Let it be max 10 props.
>
> Piotr
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui  wrote:
>
>> BOJA also was/is software-related:
>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
>>
>> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is whether we'd
>> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.  That got
>> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project name
>> should be an acronym.
>>
>> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend Over
>> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an acronym
>> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of BOJA.
>>
>> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on GitHub for
>> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
>> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
>> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application Server".
>> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
>>
>> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
>> -Alex
>>
>> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>>
>> >To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed name.
>> >
>> >BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried chicken
>> >restaurants.
>> >Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you thought it
>> >meant?
>> >Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match but
>> didn't
>> >check all.
>> >
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co
>>
>> >m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d
>>
>> >%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792854=JXw
>> >%2BN2o57mQyhCtuQy2NXKnzRLkZSK6nLzp62OU6FG8%3D=0 is "Simple
>> >JavaScript application for
>> >drawing in HTML5 canvas"
>> >
>> >-Alex
>> >
>> >[1]
>> >
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktio
>> >nary.org
>> %2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d%
>>
>> >7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792854=cr6x
>> >p272SB%2FCmqxvbx%2FXEHnVx03AlQpIzlAA4tUQAaw%3D=0
>> >
>> >
>> >On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui 
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
>> >>>
>> >>> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
>> >>> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
>> >>>
>> >>> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>> >>>c
>>
>> >>>om%2FMediaMath%2Fstrand=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e51
>> >>>9
>>
>> >>>b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=
>> >>>Y
>> >>>k5oLCpwtkSlGYJSqsfSd1dyRNl3rOx9LiNQh4IHLQU%3D=0.  It is a
>> >>>"collection of modular,
>> >>> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
>> >>>
>> >>> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>> >>>c
>>
>> >>>om%2Forsjb%2Fbeads=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7C
>> >>>f
>>
>> >>>a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=OQuLf
>> >>>5
>> >>>ueW9aEbEV2rKSndy%2FbCHgWU33N0FgXG%2B%2BHmKc%3D=0 claims to be
>> >>>"The Beads Project".
>> >>>
>> >>> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>> >>>c
>>
>> >>>om%2Fevanw%2Fbend=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cf
>> >>>a
>>
>> >>>7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=dpS%2F
>> >>>g
>> >>>FLFnwl0X2lgFfRpmHE1hrNeS7A2XnZ5ofFWqD4%3D=0 is a
>> >>>"statically-typed programming language
>> >>> for the web"
>> >>>
>> >>> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>> >>>c
>>
>> >>>om%2Fggoodman%2Flimber=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519
>> >>>b
>>
>> >>>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=Y
>> >>>h
>> >>>ZN5g76iGW8AtsBkb8zRu0bw%2Fo6spbqJU7SlYe%2BYpU%3D=0 is a
>> >>>"Javascript graphics engine
>> >>> written in coffee-script"
>> >>>
>> >>> Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
>> >>> interesting definitions in the 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Let's bring together the most mentioned from this thread and start a VOTE
by Harbs's system.
Let it be max 10 props.

Piotr

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017, 08:26 Alex Harui  wrote:

> BOJA also was/is software-related:
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947
>
> Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is whether we'd
> spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.  That got
> me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project name
> should be an acronym.
>
> BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend Over
> Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an acronym
> for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of BOJA.
>
> AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on GitHub for
> Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
> AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
> AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application Server".
> AMAS has been used by a few companies.
>
> Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
> -Alex
>
> On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:
>
> >To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed name.
> >
> >BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried chicken
> >restaurants.
> >Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you thought it
> >meant?
> >Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match but didn't
> >check all.
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co
> >m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d
> >%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792854=JXw
> >%2BN2o57mQyhCtuQy2NXKnzRLkZSK6nLzp62OU6FG8%3D=0 is "Simple
> >JavaScript application for
> >drawing in HTML5 canvas"
> >
> >-Alex
> >
> >[1]
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktio
> >nary.org
> %2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d%
> >7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792854=cr6x
> >p272SB%2FCmqxvbx%2FXEHnVx03AlQpIzlAA4tUQAaw%3D=0
> >
> >
> >On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui 
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
> >>>
> >>> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
> >>> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
> >>>
> >>> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
> >>>
> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub
> .
> >>>c
> >>>om%2FMediaMath%2Fstrand=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e51
> >>>9
> >>>b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=
> >>>Y
> >>>k5oLCpwtkSlGYJSqsfSd1dyRNl3rOx9LiNQh4IHLQU%3D=0.  It is a
> >>>"collection of modular,
> >>> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
> >>>
> >>> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
> >>>
> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub
> .
> >>>c
> >>>om%2Forsjb%2Fbeads=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7C
> >>>f
> >>>a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=OQuLf
> >>>5
> >>>ueW9aEbEV2rKSndy%2FbCHgWU33N0FgXG%2B%2BHmKc%3D=0 claims to be
> >>>"The Beads Project".
> >>>
> >>> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
> >>>
> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub
> .
> >>>c
> >>>om%2Fevanw%2Fbend=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cf
> >>>a
> >>>7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=dpS%2F
> >>>g
> >>>FLFnwl0X2lgFfRpmHE1hrNeS7A2XnZ5ofFWqD4%3D=0 is a
> >>>"statically-typed programming language
> >>> for the web"
> >>>
> >>> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
> >>>
> >>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub
> .
> >>>c
> >>>om%2Fggoodman%2Flimber=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519
> >>>b
> >>>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=Y
> >>>h
> >>>ZN5g76iGW8AtsBkb8zRu0bw%2Fo6spbqJU7SlYe%2BYpU%3D=0 is a
> >>>"Javascript graphics engine
> >>> written in coffee-script"
> >>>
> >>> Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
> >>> interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urba
> >>>n
> >>>dictionary.com
> %2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3DBoinga=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9
> >>>f
> >>>442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63641
> >>>2
> >>>235077272615=l1VYfLrPS5RL7cyzmzm6u7p1ujQSPQdrLUXL69HzXfk%3D
> >>>e
> >>>d=0
> >>>
> >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdefinit
> >>>h
> >>>ing.com
> %2Fboinga%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7
> >>>C
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

BOJA also was/is software-related:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00143947

Again, not a deal-killer.  One question that came to mind is whether we'd
spend too much time explaining why we called the project BOJA.  That got
me thinking of it as an acronym as well.  Or maybe a new project name
should be an acronym.

BOJA could mean "Bring On Javascript in Actionscript"  or "Bend Over
Javascript, it's ActionScript" (just kidding).  And if using an acronym
for ActionScript it really should be AS, so BOJAS instead of BOJA.

AIMA is Apps In Mxml and Actionscript.  AIMA has 713 hits on GitHub for
Artificial Intelligence, a Modern Approach.
AIMAS has 313 hits and none in JavaScript.
AMAS has 466 hits.  68 in JavaScript.  One is an "Application Server".
AMAS has been used by a few companies.

Other ideas?  But again, we are running out of time...
-Alex

On 9/16/17, 10:54 PM, "Alex Harui"  wrote:

>To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed name.
>
>BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried chicken
>restaurants.
>Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you thought it
>meant?
>Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match but didn't
>check all.
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co
>m%2Fmudroljub%2Fbojanka=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d
>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792854=JXw
>%2BN2o57mQyhCtuQy2NXKnzRLkZSK6nLzp62OU6FG8%3D=0 is "Simple
>JavaScript application for
>drawing in HTML5 canvas"
>
>-Alex
>
>[1] 
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktio
>nary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja=02%7C01%7C%7C474ae1cddaf34f798d2408d4fd90895d%
>7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412244619792854=cr6x
>p272SB%2FCmqxvbx%2FXEHnVx03AlQpIzlAA4tUQAaw%3D=0
>
>
>On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui 
>>>wrote:
>>> 
>>> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
>>> 
>>> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
>>> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
>>> 
>>> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
>>> 
>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>>>c
>>>om%2FMediaMath%2Fstrand=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e51
>>>9
>>>b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=
>>>Y
>>>k5oLCpwtkSlGYJSqsfSd1dyRNl3rOx9LiNQh4IHLQU%3D=0.  It is a
>>>"collection of modular,
>>> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
>>> 
>>> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
>>> 
>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>>>c
>>>om%2Forsjb%2Fbeads=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7C
>>>f
>>>a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=OQuLf
>>>5
>>>ueW9aEbEV2rKSndy%2FbCHgWU33N0FgXG%2B%2BHmKc%3D=0 claims to be
>>>"The Beads Project".
>>> 
>>> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
>>> 
>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>>>c
>>>om%2Fevanw%2Fbend=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cf
>>>a
>>>7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=dpS%2F
>>>g
>>>FLFnwl0X2lgFfRpmHE1hrNeS7A2XnZ5ofFWqD4%3D=0 is a
>>>"statically-typed programming language
>>> for the web"
>>> 
>>> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
>>> 
>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.
>>>c
>>>om%2Fggoodman%2Flimber=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519
>>>b
>>>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=Y
>>>h
>>>ZN5g76iGW8AtsBkb8zRu0bw%2Fo6spbqJU7SlYe%2BYpU%3D=0 is a
>>>"Javascript graphics engine
>>> written in coffee-script"
>>> 
>>> Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
>>> interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
>>> 
>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urba
>>>n
>>>dictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3DBoinga=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9
>>>f
>>>442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63641
>>>2
>>>235077272615=l1VYfLrPS5RL7cyzmzm6u7p1ujQSPQdrLUXL69HzXfk%3D
>>>e
>>>d=0
>>> 
>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdefinit
>>>h
>>>ing.com%2Fboinga%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7
>>>C
>>>fa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=1mc5
>>>O
>>>j7MYL%2FqLZVjeo0fT1FupVfb0yumUQLMm07Fb9g%3D=0
>>> And used in a song in a popular children's animation sung by Alicia
>>>Keys.
>>> 
>>Ouch… :-(
>>
>>> Names like Böja are interesting, but for me, typing letters with
>>> accents/umlauts/grave is hard for me.
>>
>>What about dropping the accents: Boja?
>>
>>
>>> HTH,
>>> -Alex
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/16/17, 3:33 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>>> 
 I like this 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

To be clear, none of my findings are deal killers for the proposed name.

BOJA is the stock symbol for Bojangles Inc.  A chain of fried chicken
restaurants.
Wiktionary defined variants of boja [1].  What did you say you thought it
meant?
Boja has 163 matches on Github, but I didn't see an exact match but didn't
check all.
https://github.com/mudroljub/bojanka is "Simple JavaScript application for
drawing in HTML5 canvas"

-Alex

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/boja


On 9/16/17, 10:38 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:

>
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
>> 
>> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
>> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
>> 
>> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
>>om%2FMediaMath%2Fstrand=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519
>>b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=Y
>>k5oLCpwtkSlGYJSqsfSd1dyRNl3rOx9LiNQh4IHLQU%3D=0.  It is a
>>"collection of modular,
>> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
>> 
>> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
>>om%2Forsjb%2Fbeads=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cf
>>a7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=OQuLf5
>>ueW9aEbEV2rKSndy%2FbCHgWU33N0FgXG%2B%2BHmKc%3D=0 claims to be
>>"The Beads Project".
>> 
>> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
>>om%2Fevanw%2Fbend=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cfa
>>7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=dpS%2Fg
>>FLFnwl0X2lgFfRpmHE1hrNeS7A2XnZ5ofFWqD4%3D=0 is a
>>"statically-typed programming language
>> for the web"
>> 
>> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
>>om%2Fggoodman%2Flimber=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b
>>%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=Yh
>>ZN5g76iGW8AtsBkb8zRu0bw%2Fo6spbqJU7SlYe%2BYpU%3D=0 is a
>>"Javascript graphics engine
>> written in coffee-script"
>> 
>> Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
>> interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urban
>>dictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3DBoinga=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f
>>442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412
>>235077272615=l1VYfLrPS5RL7cyzmzm6u7p1ujQSPQdrLUXL69HzXfk%3D
>>d=0
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdefinith
>>ing.com%2Fboinga%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C1dc156ada9f442f4ee0a08d4fd8e519b%7C
>>fa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636412235077272615=1mc5O
>>j7MYL%2FqLZVjeo0fT1FupVfb0yumUQLMm07Fb9g%3D=0
>> And used in a song in a popular children's animation sung by Alicia
>>Keys.
>> 
>Ouch… :-(
>
>> Names like Böja are interesting, but for me, typing letters with
>> accents/umlauts/grave is hard for me.
>
>What about dropping the accents: Boja?
>
>
>> HTH,
>> -Alex
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/16/17, 3:33 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>> 
>>> I like this one.
>>> 
>>> Harbs
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore 
 wrote:
 
 Braid (bunch of strands, right?)
>>> 
>> 
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Alex Harui  wrote:
> 
> A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:
> 
> Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
> BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.
> 
> Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
> https://github.com/MediaMath/strand.  It is a "collection of modular,
> reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"
> 
> Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
> https://github.com/orsjb/beads claims to be "The Beads Project".
> 
> Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
> https://github.com/evanw/bend is a "statically-typed programming language
> for the web"
> 
> Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
> https://github.com/ggoodman/limber is a "Javascript graphics engine
> written in coffee-script"
> 
> Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
> interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boinga
> https://definithing.com/boinga/
> And used in a song in a popular children's animation sung by Alicia Keys.
> 
Ouch… :-(

> Names like Böja are interesting, but for me, typing letters with
> accents/umlauts/grave is hard for me.

What about dropping the accents: Boja?


> HTH,
> -Alex
> 
> 
> On 9/16/17, 3:33 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> 
>> I like this one.
>> 
>> Harbs
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Braid (bunch of strands, right?)
>> 
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

A quick "suitable name search" on some other candidates:

Braid:  260 repos match with Braid on Github.  There is a project call
BraidApps.  Could pose some confusion since we produce apps.

Strand:  697 repos match Strand on Github.  First match was
https://github.com/MediaMath/strand.  It is a "collection of modular,
reusable Web Components built upon Polymer"

Beads:  971 repos match Bead on Github.  One,
https://github.com/orsjb/beads claims to be "The Beads Project".

Bend:  1676 repos match Bend on Github.  One,
https://github.com/evanw/bend is a "statically-typed programming language
for the web"

Limber: 70 repos match Limber on Github.  One,
https://github.com/ggoodman/limber is a "Javascript graphics engine
written in coffee-script"

Boinga: 3 matches.  The exact math is an empty repo.  Boinga has
interesting definitions in the urban dictionaries:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Boinga
https://definithing.com/boinga/
And used in a song in a popular children's animation sung by Alicia Keys.

Names like Böja are interesting, but for me, typing letters with
accents/umlauts/grave is hard for me.

HTH,
-Alex


On 9/16/17, 3:33 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:

>I like this one.
>
>Harbs
>
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> Braid (bunch of strands, right?)
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

I mentioned STeVe but after reading this [1][2], I withdraw that
suggestion as I think STV is intended for choosing multiple from multiple
instead of one of multiple.  (I did not read all of [2]).

My takeaway is that, unless a true majority results, the results of other
system can be challenged.  So, pick a system.  Harb's proposal is fine.
Start a vote and hope a true majority shows up.

My 2 cents,
-Alex

[1] https://plus.maths.org/content/which-voting-system-best
[2] https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/voting-methods/

On 9/16/17, 3:32 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:

>To me it seems like overkill for our needs, but if someone wants to try
>and make it work I have no objection.
>
>Harbs
>
>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:45 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Someone up thread mentioned that Apache STeVe could be used for this.
>> 
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsteve.ap
>>ache.org%2Fvote_types.html=02%7C01%7C%7C207aa8a7a82943b48d8b08d4fd52
>>d28c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636411979543044718
>>a=IW5fRDPE2k01ktSYi1pY72Fdl%2BHjxvFSE9bFBBfPXoY%3D=0
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2017 1:22 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Harbs,
>> 
>> Nice idea. It allows picking up for anyone couple of options.
>> 
>> Piotr
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017, 21:57 Harbs  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m not sure why, but Royale does not resonate very well with me.
>>> 
>>> Bend Bead and Strand are all good names as far as I’m concerned.
>>> 
>>> I personally like Limber/Limbre.
>>> 
>>> I like Boinga in a different way.
>>> 
>>> I think that Böja has a great ring to it.
>>> 
>>> One way I was thinking about a vote was by allowing everyone to pick
>>>up to
>>> three options. Option 1 would count for 3 points, option 2 for 2 and
>> option
>>> 3 for 1.
>>> 
>>> We could then tally up the points for the winners.
>>> 
>>> At that point we could either pick the one with the most points or call
>>> another vote to decide between the two with the most points.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> Harbs
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Alex Harui 
>>> wrote:
 
 Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we
>>> might
 need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
 suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
 candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.
 
 If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to
>>> this
 post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe
or
 not.
 
 Thanks,
 -Alex
 
 On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
>>> Muppirala"
  wrote:
 
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting
>>vote
>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his
>>> own
>> name idea and others can give him +1.
>> 
> 
> There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
> should
> probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another
>>> thread.
> All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time
>> following
> discussions/decisions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Om
> 
> 
>> 
>> Piotr
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki
>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
>> who
>>> would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex
>>>world.
>>> 
>>> We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
>> where
>>> first target will be ports the old one applications.
>>> 
>>> As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
>> as an
>>> Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently
>> they
>>> change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
>> from
>>> initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
>> there
>>> were very good press out there in the company as in outside in
>> Cracow.
>>> 
>>> I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such
>>>tremendous
>>> opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This
>> is
>> what
>>> we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS
>>>for
>> the
>>> port, cause it provides me what I need.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Piotr
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin 
>>>wrote:
>>> 
> 
> have a problem if someone created a 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

I like this one.

Harbs

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Andrew Wetmore  wrote:
> 
> Braid (bunch of strands, right?)

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

Someone up thread mentioned that Apache STeVe could be used for this.

https://steve.apache.org/vote_types.html

Thanks,
Om

On Sep 16, 2017 1:22 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:

Hi Harbs,

Nice idea. It allows picking up for anyone couple of options.

Piotr

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017, 21:57 Harbs  wrote:

> I’m not sure why, but Royale does not resonate very well with me.
>
> Bend Bead and Strand are all good names as far as I’m concerned.
>
> I personally like Limber/Limbre.
>
> I like Boinga in a different way.
>
> I think that Böja has a great ring to it.
>
> One way I was thinking about a vote was by allowing everyone to pick up to
> three options. Option 1 would count for 3 points, option 2 for 2 and
option
> 3 for 1.
>
> We could then tally up the points for the winners.
>
> At that point we could either pick the one with the most points or call
> another vote to decide between the two with the most points.
>
> Thoughts?
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Alex Harui 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we
> might
> > need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
> > suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
> > candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.
> >
> > If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to
> this
> > post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe or
> > not.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> Muppirala"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
> >>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his
> own
> >>> name idea and others can give him +1.
> >>>
> >>
> >> There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
> >> should
> >> probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another
> thread.
> >> All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time
following
> >> discussions/decisions.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Om
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Piotr
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
> >>> who
>  would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
> 
>  We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
> >>> where
>  first target will be ports the old one applications.
> 
>  As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
> >>> as an
>  Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently
they
>  change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
> >>> from
>  initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
> >>> there
>  were very good press out there in the company as in outside in
Cracow.
> 
>  I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
>  opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This
is
> >>> what
>  we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for
> >>> the
>  port, cause it provides me what I need.
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Piotr
> 
>  On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin  wrote:
> 
> >>
> >> have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target
> >>> called
> >> "Dover".
> >>
> >
> > Are you testing the non-native speakers?
> >
> > I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
> >
> > EdB
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ix Multimedia Software
> >
> > Jan Luykenstraat 27
> > 3521 VB Utrecht
> >
> > T. 06-51952295
> > I.
> >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ixsoftware.nl
> >>>
> =02%7C01%7C%7C4127f1b06d7f43f4310808d4fc59ca2f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
> >>>
> 78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410909953528643=BTLJuY5ffdBpl7z%2B%2FPa%2FHfu
> >>> ogqLc38DybDD2qL8oF78%3D=0
> >
> 
> >>>
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Andrew Wetmore]

Nsurgent

Deliver

Carrier

Braid (bunch of strands, right?)



On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Andrew Wetmore  wrote:

> Royale, in my part of the world, is a low-grade line of processed food
> products: styrofoam-flavored ice cream, and so on.
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Piotr Zarzycki  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Harbs,
>>
>> Nice idea. It allows picking up for anyone couple of options.
>>
>> Piotr
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017, 21:57 Harbs  wrote:
>>
>> > I’m not sure why, but Royale does not resonate very well with me.
>> >
>> > Bend Bead and Strand are all good names as far as I’m concerned.
>> >
>> > I personally like Limber/Limbre.
>> >
>> > I like Boinga in a different way.
>> >
>> > I think that Böja has a great ring to it.
>> >
>> > One way I was thinking about a vote was by allowing everyone to pick up
>> to
>> > three options. Option 1 would count for 3 points, option 2 for 2 and
>> option
>> > 3 for 1.
>> >
>> > We could then tally up the points for the winners.
>> >
>> > At that point we could either pick the one with the most points or call
>> > another vote to decide between the two with the most points.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> > Harbs
>> >
>> > > On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Alex Harui 
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we
>> > might
>> > > need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
>> > > suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
>> > > candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.
>> > >
>> > > If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to
>> > this
>> > > post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe
>> or
>> > > not.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > -Alex
>> > >
>> > > On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
>> > Muppirala"
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
>> > >> 
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting
>> vote
>> > >>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his
>> > own
>> > >>> name idea and others can give him +1.
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
>> > >> should
>> > >> probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another
>> > thread.
>> > >> All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time
>> following
>> > >> discussions/decisions.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Om
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Piotr
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki <
>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> >  As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
>> > >>> who
>> >  would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex
>> world.
>> > 
>> >  We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
>> > >>> where
>> >  first target will be ports the old one applications.
>> > 
>> >  As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
>> > >>> as an
>> >  Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently
>> they
>> >  change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
>> > >>> from
>> >  initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
>> > >>> there
>> >  were very good press out there in the company as in outside in
>> Cracow.
>> > 
>> >  I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such
>> tremendous
>> >  opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread -
>> This is
>> > >>> what
>> >  we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS
>> for
>> > >>> the
>> >  port, cause it provides me what I need.
>> > 
>> >  Thanks,
>> >  Piotr
>> > 
>> >  On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin 
>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > >>
>> > >> have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target
>> > >>> called
>> > >> "Dover".
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Are you testing the non-native speakers?
>> > >
>> > > I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
>> > >
>> > > EdB
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Ix Multimedia Software
>> > >
>> > > Jan Luykenstraat 27
>> > > 3521 VB Utrecht
>> > >
>> > > T. 06-51952295
>> > > I.
>> > >>>
>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.
>> ixsoftware.nl
>> > >>>
>> > =02%7C01%7C%7C4127f1b06d7f43f4310808d4fc59ca2f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3
>> 4438794aed2c1
>> > >>>
>> > 78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410909953528643=BTLJuY5ffdBpl7z%
>> 2B%2FPa%2FHfu
>> > >>> ogqLc38DybDD2qL8oF78%3D=0
>> > >
>> > 
>> > >>>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Andrew Wetmore]

Royale, in my part of the world, is a low-grade line of processed food
products: styrofoam-flavored ice cream, and so on.

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Hi Harbs,
>
> Nice idea. It allows picking up for anyone couple of options.
>
> Piotr
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017, 21:57 Harbs  wrote:
>
> > I’m not sure why, but Royale does not resonate very well with me.
> >
> > Bend Bead and Strand are all good names as far as I’m concerned.
> >
> > I personally like Limber/Limbre.
> >
> > I like Boinga in a different way.
> >
> > I think that Böja has a great ring to it.
> >
> > One way I was thinking about a vote was by allowing everyone to pick up
> to
> > three options. Option 1 would count for 3 points, option 2 for 2 and
> option
> > 3 for 1.
> >
> > We could then tally up the points for the winners.
> >
> > At that point we could either pick the one with the most points or call
> > another vote to decide between the two with the most points.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > Harbs
> >
> > > On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Alex Harui 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we
> > might
> > > need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
> > > suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
> > > candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.
> > >
> > > If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to
> > this
> > > post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe
> or
> > > not.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> > Muppirala"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
> > >> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
> > >>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his
> > own
> > >>> name idea and others can give him +1.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
> > >> should
> > >> probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another
> > thread.
> > >> All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time
> following
> > >> discussions/decisions.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Om
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Piotr
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
> > >>> who
> >  would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex
> world.
> > 
> >  We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
> > >>> where
> >  first target will be ports the old one applications.
> > 
> >  As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
> > >>> as an
> >  Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently
> they
> >  change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
> > >>> from
> >  initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
> > >>> there
> >  were very good press out there in the company as in outside in
> Cracow.
> > 
> >  I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
> >  opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This
> is
> > >>> what
> >  we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS
> for
> > >>> the
> >  port, cause it provides me what I need.
> > 
> >  Thanks,
> >  Piotr
> > 
> >  On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin 
> wrote:
> > 
> > >>
> > >> have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target
> > >>> called
> > >> "Dover".
> > >>
> > >
> > > Are you testing the non-native speakers?
> > >
> > > I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
> > >
> > > EdB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ix Multimedia Software
> > >
> > > Jan Luykenstraat 27
> > > 3521 VB Utrecht
> > >
> > > T. 06-51952295
> > > I.
> > >>>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> www.ixsoftware.nl
> > >>>
> > =02%7C01%7C%7C4127f1b06d7f43f4310808d4fc59ca2f%
> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
> > >>>
> > 78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410909953528643=
> BTLJuY5ffdBpl7z%2B%2FPa%2FHfu
> > >>> ogqLc38DybDD2qL8oF78%3D=0
> > >
> > 
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> >
>



-- 
Andrew Wetmore

http://cottage14.blogspot.com/

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Hi Harbs,

Nice idea. It allows picking up for anyone couple of options.

Piotr

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017, 21:57 Harbs  wrote:

> I’m not sure why, but Royale does not resonate very well with me.
>
> Bend Bead and Strand are all good names as far as I’m concerned.
>
> I personally like Limber/Limbre.
>
> I like Boinga in a different way.
>
> I think that Böja has a great ring to it.
>
> One way I was thinking about a vote was by allowing everyone to pick up to
> three options. Option 1 would count for 3 points, option 2 for 2 and option
> 3 for 1.
>
> We could then tally up the points for the winners.
>
> At that point we could either pick the one with the most points or call
> another vote to decide between the two with the most points.
>
> Thoughts?
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Alex Harui 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we
> might
> > need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
> > suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
> > candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.
> >
> > If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to
> this
> > post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe or
> > not.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
> Muppirala"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
> >>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his
> own
> >>> name idea and others can give him +1.
> >>>
> >>
> >> There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
> >> should
> >> probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another
> thread.
> >> All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time following
> >> discussions/decisions.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Om
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Piotr
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
> >>> who
>  would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
> 
>  We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
> >>> where
>  first target will be ports the old one applications.
> 
>  As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
> >>> as an
>  Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently they
>  change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
> >>> from
>  initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
> >>> there
>  were very good press out there in the company as in outside in Cracow.
> 
>  I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
>  opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This is
> >>> what
>  we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for
> >>> the
>  port, cause it provides me what I need.
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Piotr
> 
>  On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin  wrote:
> 
> >>
> >> have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target
> >>> called
> >> "Dover".
> >>
> >
> > Are you testing the non-native speakers?
> >
> > I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
> >
> > EdB
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ix Multimedia Software
> >
> > Jan Luykenstraat 27
> > 3521 VB Utrecht
> >
> > T. 06-51952295
> > I.
> >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ixsoftware.nl
> >>>
> =02%7C01%7C%7C4127f1b06d7f43f4310808d4fc59ca2f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
> >>>
> 78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410909953528643=BTLJuY5ffdBpl7z%2B%2FPa%2FHfu
> >>> ogqLc38DybDD2qL8oF78%3D=0
> >
> 
> >>>
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

I’m not sure why, but Royale does not resonate very well with me.

Bend Bead and Strand are all good names as far as I’m concerned.

I personally like Limber/Limbre.

I like Boinga in a different way.

I think that Böja has a great ring to it.

One way I was thinking about a vote was by allowing everyone to pick up to 
three options. Option 1 would count for 3 points, option 2 for 2 and option 3 
for 1.

We could then tally up the points for the winners.

At that point we could either pick the one with the most points or call another 
vote to decide between the two with the most points.

Thoughts?
Harbs

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:
> 
> Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we might
> need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
> suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
> candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.
> 
> If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to this
> post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe or
> not.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Alex
> 
> On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
>>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his own
>>> name idea and others can give him +1.
>>> 
>> 
>> There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
>> should
>> probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another thread.
>> All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time following
>> discussions/decisions.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Piotr
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
>>> who
 would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
 
 We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
>>> where
 first target will be ports the old one applications.
 
 As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
>>> as an
 Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently they
 change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
>>> from
 initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
>>> there
 were very good press out there in the company as in outside in Cracow.
 
 I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
 opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This is
>>> what
 we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for
>>> the
 port, cause it provides me what I need.
 
 Thanks,
 Piotr
 
 On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin  wrote:
 
>> 
>> have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target
>>> called
>> "Dover".
>> 
> 
> Are you testing the non-native speakers?
> 
> I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
> 
> EdB
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Ix Multimedia Software
> 
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
> 
> T. 06-51952295
> I. 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ixsoftware.nl
>>> =02%7C01%7C%7C4127f1b06d7f43f4310808d4fc59ca2f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
>>> 78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410909953528643=BTLJuY5ffdBpl7z%2B%2FPa%2FHfu
>>> ogqLc38DybDD2qL8oF78%3D=0
> 
 
>>> 
> 

Re: Renaming Work (Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork)

[Andrew Wetmore]

I did a quick look through licenses and this does not seem to be the
problem I thought it might be. I would be glad to help with documentation
migration when we get to that point.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> I think our licenses don't mention project or product names since it is
> all under Apache, but if you have time to help with checking on that we'd
> certainly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/15/17, 10:51 AM, "Andrew Wetmore"  wrote:
>
> >Would the text of licenses and suchlike fall into the documentation task?
> >That is a task I have done several times with software companies and would
> >be glad to help out with, given that it does not require much code
> >expertise to make sure the sentences are coherent and refer to the current
> >product name.
> >
> >On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Alex Harui 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> In this thread, let's see if we can list out what needs to be done to
> >> rename the code.
> >>
> >> I think for the ActionScript code, the steps are:
> >>
> >> 1) go through each folder in framework/projects and do:
> >>git mv src/main/flex src/main/royale
> >>git mv src/main/flex/org/apache/flex src/main/flex/org/apache/royale
> >>
> >> 2) from the root of the repo:
> >>find . -name *.as -exec sed -i *.bak
> >> 's/org\.apache\.flex/org\.apache\.royale/g' {} \;
> >>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
> >> 's/org\.apache\.flex/org\.apache\.royale/g' {} \;
> >>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
> >> 's/src\/main\/flex/src\/main\/royale/g' {} \;
> >>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
> >> 's/org\/apache\/flex/org\/apache\/royale/g' {} \;
> >>find . -name *.bak -delete
> >>
> >> What else is needed?  I think the hard/boring part is dealing with
> >> documentation.  We have to go through:
> >> Wiki
> >> ASDoc
> >> LICENSE
> >> README
> >> RELEASE_NOTES
> >> NOTICE
> >>
> >> And find/replace FlexJS and Flex and review each change as we may
> >> reference regular Flex and are likely to still have a product called
> >> FlexJS.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/15/17, 7:46 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Carlos,
> >> >
> >> >Love your passion and share it fully. I cannot fully agree with you
> >>that
> >> >having an old application in Flex people will need to rewrite
> >>completely.
> >> >If they have separated enough good logic - they can put it without to
> >>much
> >> >effort in our framework. - That is huge advantage in my opinion.
> >> >
> >> >Voting is going well on renaming. We have enough voices. Even if I
> >>change
> >> >my vote it is still pass with renaming.
> >> >
> >> >The question is - what's with code rename? Can we stay as is? -
> >> >
> >> >I think someone should start vote with all name proposition. I don't
> >>have
> >> >capacity within next 24 hours.
> >> >
> >> >Piotr
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 16:21 Carlos Rovira
> >>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm with Om and others that one of the results we pursue with this
> >> >>renaming
> >> >> is to avoid the "Flex" name. We talked about the problems we have
> >>today
> >> >> with clients when "Flex" is put in a discussion. You pay in terms of
> >> >> credibility to your client.
> >> >>
> >> >> For migration : As a customer, I don't think migration is a real
> >>option.
> >> >> FlexJS impose a very different code so almost all must be rewritten.
> >>You
> >> >> only can think in maintain your languages (AS3/MXML) and environments
> >> >>(FB,
> >> >> IDEA,...), so for me there's no much room there to discuss. I must
> >>say
> >> >>that
> >> >> nowadays people like us considering to migrate would consider other
> >> >>actual
> >> >> techs like Angular or React since the cost is similar and they get
> >>the
> >> >> popular framework in 2017.
> >> >>
> >> >> I see this renaming as a way to rebrand all our project and present
> >>it
> >> >>to
> >> >> the world with new visuals and marketing. And try to compete in the
> >>same
> >> >> terms they do. Same kind of name, same kind of website, and so on...
> >> >>
> >> >> About Alex proposal to make different packages I think it could work,
> >> >>but
> >> >> for me that would be a plan after rename, rebranding and website
> >> >>creation.
> >> >> We can have it in mind for next steps after that. For me we need the
> >> >>same
> >> >> top name for product and project, and then we can release a package
> >>for
> >> >> people wanting to migrate called "apache XXX FlexJS" or something.
> >>But
> >> >> consider that to make that real we will need people interested in
> >>make
> >> >>such
> >> >> package and work for it. And consider how many people will be
> >>planing to
> >> >> migrate from Flex and will find that FlexJS is completely different
> >>and
> >> >> they can do it easily.
> >> >>
> >> >> @Piotr, my plans 

Re: Renaming Work (Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork)

[Alex Harui]

Hi Andrew,

I think our licenses don't mention project or product names since it is
all under Apache, but if you have time to help with checking on that we'd
certainly appreciate it.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 9/15/17, 10:51 AM, "Andrew Wetmore"  wrote:

>Would the text of licenses and suchlike fall into the documentation task?
>That is a task I have done several times with software companies and would
>be glad to help out with, given that it does not require much code
>expertise to make sure the sentences are coherent and refer to the current
>product name.
>
>On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Alex Harui 
>wrote:
>
>> In this thread, let's see if we can list out what needs to be done to
>> rename the code.
>>
>> I think for the ActionScript code, the steps are:
>>
>> 1) go through each folder in framework/projects and do:
>>git mv src/main/flex src/main/royale
>>git mv src/main/flex/org/apache/flex src/main/flex/org/apache/royale
>>
>> 2) from the root of the repo:
>>find . -name *.as -exec sed -i *.bak
>> 's/org\.apache\.flex/org\.apache\.royale/g' {} \;
>>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
>> 's/org\.apache\.flex/org\.apache\.royale/g' {} \;
>>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
>> 's/src\/main\/flex/src\/main\/royale/g' {} \;
>>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
>> 's/org\/apache\/flex/org\/apache\/royale/g' {} \;
>>find . -name *.bak -delete
>>
>> What else is needed?  I think the hard/boring part is dealing with
>> documentation.  We have to go through:
>> Wiki
>> ASDoc
>> LICENSE
>> README
>> RELEASE_NOTES
>> NOTICE
>>
>> And find/replace FlexJS and Flex and review each change as we may
>> reference regular Flex and are likely to still have a product called
>> FlexJS.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> -Alex
>>
>>
>> On 9/15/17, 7:46 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:
>>
>> >Carlos,
>> >
>> >Love your passion and share it fully. I cannot fully agree with you
>>that
>> >having an old application in Flex people will need to rewrite
>>completely.
>> >If they have separated enough good logic - they can put it without to
>>much
>> >effort in our framework. - That is huge advantage in my opinion.
>> >
>> >Voting is going well on renaming. We have enough voices. Even if I
>>change
>> >my vote it is still pass with renaming.
>> >
>> >The question is - what's with code rename? Can we stay as is? -
>> >
>> >I think someone should start vote with all name proposition. I don't
>>have
>> >capacity within next 24 hours.
>> >
>> >Piotr
>> >
>> >On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 16:21 Carlos Rovira
>>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'm with Om and others that one of the results we pursue with this
>> >>renaming
>> >> is to avoid the "Flex" name. We talked about the problems we have
>>today
>> >> with clients when "Flex" is put in a discussion. You pay in terms of
>> >> credibility to your client.
>> >>
>> >> For migration : As a customer, I don't think migration is a real
>>option.
>> >> FlexJS impose a very different code so almost all must be rewritten.
>>You
>> >> only can think in maintain your languages (AS3/MXML) and environments
>> >>(FB,
>> >> IDEA,...), so for me there's no much room there to discuss. I must
>>say
>> >>that
>> >> nowadays people like us considering to migrate would consider other
>> >>actual
>> >> techs like Angular or React since the cost is similar and they get
>>the
>> >> popular framework in 2017.
>> >>
>> >> I see this renaming as a way to rebrand all our project and present
>>it
>> >>to
>> >> the world with new visuals and marketing. And try to compete in the
>>same
>> >> terms they do. Same kind of name, same kind of website, and so on...
>> >>
>> >> About Alex proposal to make different packages I think it could work,
>> >>but
>> >> for me that would be a plan after rename, rebranding and website
>> >>creation.
>> >> We can have it in mind for next steps after that. For me we need the
>> >>same
>> >> top name for product and project, and then we can release a package
>>for
>> >> people wanting to migrate called "apache XXX FlexJS" or something.
>>But
>> >> consider that to make that real we will need people interested in
>>make
>> >>such
>> >> package and work for it. And consider how many people will be
>>planing to
>> >> migrate from Flex and will find that FlexJS is completely different
>>and
>> >> they can do it easily.
>> >>
>> >> @Piotr, my plans will be to work (if people wants me on that) on:
>> >>website,
>> >> logo design for me the motivation to work in that things is to
>>get a
>> >> name that will make me think we can reach our goals, since if I don't
>> >> believe in a name will be complicated to give us a good work.
>> >> Far beyond that I always want to put work on the visuals of a
>>component
>> >> design, I think we need that as we need the website and new name.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2017-09-15 13:17 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
>> 

RE: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Kessler CTR Mark J]

/s

DNF SDK - Definitely Not Flash SDK

YAAS SDK - Yet Another ActionScript SDK

:P

-Mark K

-Original Message-
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:31 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we might
need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.

If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to this
post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe or
not.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
<omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
><piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his own
>> name idea and others can give him +1.
>>
>
>There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
>should
>probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another thread.
>All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time following
>discussions/decisions.
>
>Thanks,
>Om
>
>
>>
>> Piotr
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
>>who
>> > would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
>> >
>> > We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
>>where
>> > first target will be ports the old one applications.
>> >
>> > As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
>>as an
>> > Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently they
>> > change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
>>from
>> > initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
>>there
>> > were very good press out there in the company as in outside in Cracow.
>> >
>> > I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
>> > opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This is
>> what
>> > we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for
>>the
>> > port, cause it provides me what I need.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Piotr
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target
>>called
>> >> > "Dover".
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Are you testing the non-native speakers?
>> >>
>> >> I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
>> >>
>> >> EdB
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Ix Multimedia Software
>> >>
>> >> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>> >> 3521 VB Utrecht
>> >>
>> >> T. 06-51952295
>> >> I.
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ixsoftware.nl
>>=02%7C01%7C%7C4127f1b06d7f43f4310808d4fc59ca2f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
>>78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410909953528643=BTLJuY5ffdBpl7z%2B%2FPa%2FHfu
>>ogqLc38DybDD2qL8oF78%3D=0
>> >>
>> >
>>

Re: Renaming Work (Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork)

[Andrew Wetmore]

Would the text of licenses and suchlike fall into the documentation task?
That is a task I have done several times with software companies and would
be glad to help out with, given that it does not require much code
expertise to make sure the sentences are coherent and refer to the current
product name.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Alex Harui 
wrote:

> In this thread, let's see if we can list out what needs to be done to
> rename the code.
>
> I think for the ActionScript code, the steps are:
>
> 1) go through each folder in framework/projects and do:
>git mv src/main/flex src/main/royale
>git mv src/main/flex/org/apache/flex src/main/flex/org/apache/royale
>
> 2) from the root of the repo:
>find . -name *.as -exec sed -i *.bak
> 's/org\.apache\.flex/org\.apache\.royale/g' {} \;
>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
> 's/org\.apache\.flex/org\.apache\.royale/g' {} \;
>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
> 's/src\/main\/flex/src\/main\/royale/g' {} \;
>find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
> 's/org\/apache\/flex/org\/apache\/royale/g' {} \;
>find . -name *.bak -delete
>
> What else is needed?  I think the hard/boring part is dealing with
> documentation.  We have to go through:
> Wiki
> ASDoc
> LICENSE
> README
> RELEASE_NOTES
> NOTICE
>
> And find/replace FlexJS and Flex and review each change as we may
> reference regular Flex and are likely to still have a product called
> FlexJS.
>
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
>
> On 9/15/17, 7:46 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:
>
> >Carlos,
> >
> >Love your passion and share it fully. I cannot fully agree with you that
> >having an old application in Flex people will need to rewrite completely.
> >If they have separated enough good logic - they can put it without to much
> >effort in our framework. - That is huge advantage in my opinion.
> >
> >Voting is going well on renaming. We have enough voices. Even if I change
> >my vote it is still pass with renaming.
> >
> >The question is - what's with code rename? Can we stay as is? -
> >
> >I think someone should start vote with all name proposition. I don't have
> >capacity within next 24 hours.
> >
> >Piotr
> >
> >On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 16:21 Carlos Rovira 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm with Om and others that one of the results we pursue with this
> >>renaming
> >> is to avoid the "Flex" name. We talked about the problems we have today
> >> with clients when "Flex" is put in a discussion. You pay in terms of
> >> credibility to your client.
> >>
> >> For migration : As a customer, I don't think migration is a real option.
> >> FlexJS impose a very different code so almost all must be rewritten. You
> >> only can think in maintain your languages (AS3/MXML) and environments
> >>(FB,
> >> IDEA,...), so for me there's no much room there to discuss. I must say
> >>that
> >> nowadays people like us considering to migrate would consider other
> >>actual
> >> techs like Angular or React since the cost is similar and they get the
> >> popular framework in 2017.
> >>
> >> I see this renaming as a way to rebrand all our project and present it
> >>to
> >> the world with new visuals and marketing. And try to compete in the same
> >> terms they do. Same kind of name, same kind of website, and so on...
> >>
> >> About Alex proposal to make different packages I think it could work,
> >>but
> >> for me that would be a plan after rename, rebranding and website
> >>creation.
> >> We can have it in mind for next steps after that. For me we need the
> >>same
> >> top name for product and project, and then we can release a package for
> >> people wanting to migrate called "apache XXX FlexJS" or something. But
> >> consider that to make that real we will need people interested in make
> >>such
> >> package and work for it. And consider how many people will be planing to
> >> migrate from Flex and will find that FlexJS is completely different and
> >> they can do it easily.
> >>
> >> @Piotr, my plans will be to work (if people wants me on that) on:
> >>website,
> >> logo design for me the motivation to work in that things is to get a
> >> name that will make me think we can reach our goals, since if I don't
> >> believe in a name will be complicated to give us a good work.
> >> Far beyond that I always want to put work on the visuals of a component
> >> design, I think we need that as we need the website and new name.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-09-15 13:17 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
> >>:
> >>
> >> > I wanted to throw in a couple words / names to see if they "spark"
> >> > anything.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Arise
> >> > Dawn
> >> > Raise / Rise
> >> >
> >> > Dimension
> >> > Facet
> >> > Morph
> >> > Poly
> >> > Strand
> >> >
> >> > Derive
> >> > Drive
> >> > Quest
> >> > Journey
> >> >
> >> > Fortune
> >> > Prospect
> >> > Trend
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Mark K
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --

Renaming Work (Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork)

[Alex Harui]

In this thread, let's see if we can list out what needs to be done to
rename the code.

I think for the ActionScript code, the steps are:

1) go through each folder in framework/projects and do:
   git mv src/main/flex src/main/royale
   git mv src/main/flex/org/apache/flex src/main/flex/org/apache/royale

2) from the root of the repo:
   find . -name *.as -exec sed -i *.bak
's/org\.apache\.flex/org\.apache\.royale/g' {} \;
   find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
's/org\.apache\.flex/org\.apache\.royale/g' {} \;
   find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
's/src\/main\/flex/src\/main\/royale/g' {} \;
   find . -name *.xml -exec sed -i *.bak
's/org\/apache\/flex/org\/apache\/royale/g' {} \;
   find . -name *.bak -delete

What else is needed?  I think the hard/boring part is dealing with
documentation.  We have to go through:
Wiki
ASDoc
LICENSE
README
RELEASE_NOTES
NOTICE

And find/replace FlexJS and Flex and review each change as we may
reference regular Flex and are likely to still have a product called
FlexJS.


Thoughts?
-Alex


On 9/15/17, 7:46 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:

>Carlos,
>
>Love your passion and share it fully. I cannot fully agree with you that
>having an old application in Flex people will need to rewrite completely.
>If they have separated enough good logic - they can put it without to much
>effort in our framework. - That is huge advantage in my opinion.
>
>Voting is going well on renaming. We have enough voices. Even if I change
>my vote it is still pass with renaming.
>
>The question is - what's with code rename? Can we stay as is? -
>
>I think someone should start vote with all name proposition. I don't have
>capacity within next 24 hours.
>
>Piotr
>
>On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 16:21 Carlos Rovira 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm with Om and others that one of the results we pursue with this
>>renaming
>> is to avoid the "Flex" name. We talked about the problems we have today
>> with clients when "Flex" is put in a discussion. You pay in terms of
>> credibility to your client.
>>
>> For migration : As a customer, I don't think migration is a real option.
>> FlexJS impose a very different code so almost all must be rewritten. You
>> only can think in maintain your languages (AS3/MXML) and environments
>>(FB,
>> IDEA,...), so for me there's no much room there to discuss. I must say
>>that
>> nowadays people like us considering to migrate would consider other
>>actual
>> techs like Angular or React since the cost is similar and they get the
>> popular framework in 2017.
>>
>> I see this renaming as a way to rebrand all our project and present it
>>to
>> the world with new visuals and marketing. And try to compete in the same
>> terms they do. Same kind of name, same kind of website, and so on...
>>
>> About Alex proposal to make different packages I think it could work,
>>but
>> for me that would be a plan after rename, rebranding and website
>>creation.
>> We can have it in mind for next steps after that. For me we need the
>>same
>> top name for product and project, and then we can release a package for
>> people wanting to migrate called "apache XXX FlexJS" or something. But
>> consider that to make that real we will need people interested in make
>>such
>> package and work for it. And consider how many people will be planing to
>> migrate from Flex and will find that FlexJS is completely different and
>> they can do it easily.
>>
>> @Piotr, my plans will be to work (if people wants me on that) on:
>>website,
>> logo design for me the motivation to work in that things is to get a
>> name that will make me think we can reach our goals, since if I don't
>> believe in a name will be complicated to give us a good work.
>> Far beyond that I always want to put work on the visuals of a component
>> design, I think we need that as we need the website and new name.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-15 13:17 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
>>:
>>
>> > I wanted to throw in a couple words / names to see if they "spark"
>> > anything.
>> >
>> >
>> > Arise
>> > Dawn
>> > Raise / Rise
>> >
>> > Dimension
>> > Facet
>> > Morph
>> > Poly
>> > Strand
>> >
>> > Derive
>> > Drive
>> > Quest
>> > Journey
>> >
>> > Fortune
>> > Prospect
>> > Trend
>> >
>> >
>> > -Mark K
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> 
>>>oscopic.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ca13ef292891c4ddc929f08d4fc48a9fb%7Cfa7b1b5a
>>7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410836399205878=BF6LX6%2BAsTv
>>HXwvnfS8VBEu7CDId3YFt5M%2BqMy6lncM%3D=0>
>>
>> Carlos Rovira
>>
>> Director General
>>
>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo
>>scopic.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ca13ef292891c4ddc929f08d4fc48a9fb%7Cfa7b1b5a7
>>b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410836399205878=BF6LX6%2BAsTvH
>>XwvnfS8VBEu7CDId3YFt5M%2BqMy6lncM%3D=0
>>
>> 

RE: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Yishay Weiss]

> For migration : As a customer, I don't think migration is a real option.

I can’t say I agree with that. The business logic is almost seamlessly ported. 
The UI is more involved but still pretty similar.

Also, most examples one sees these days are using the Basic component set. I 
can envision a component set that will be targeted at migration that will make 
it pretty easy to do, and certainly easier than rewriting in JS/HTML.

I have to say that I don’t see Flex as a liability, but rather Flash. When you 
see these guys acting awkward when you mention Flex it’s probably because 
they’re thinking of Flash. But I haven’t done any market research so it’s 
basically speculation.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

Dave says, and I agree, that if there is more than one candidate, we might
need to use a more complicated voting system like STeVe. What other
suggestions do you think have been popular enough to make a second
candidate?  I think FlexJS has been rejected as the project name.

If anyone wants to push for a name other than Royale, please reply to this
post with that name.  Then we can decide whether we need to use STeVe or
not.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 9/15/17, 9:49 AM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
 wrote:

>On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
>
>wrote:
>
>> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
>> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his own
>> name idea and others can give him +1.
>>
>
>There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We
>should
>probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another thread.
>All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time following
>discussions/decisions.
>
>Thanks,
>Om
>
>
>>
>> Piotr
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone
>>who
>> > would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
>> >
>> > We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path
>>where
>> > first target will be ports the old one applications.
>> >
>> > As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company
>>as an
>> > Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently they
>> > change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone
>>from
>> > initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite
>>there
>> > were very good press out there in the company as in outside in Cracow.
>> >
>> > I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
>> > opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This is
>> what
>> > we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for
>>the
>> > port, cause it provides me what I need.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Piotr
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin  wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target
>>called
>> >> > "Dover".
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Are you testing the non-native speakers?
>> >>
>> >> I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
>> >>
>> >> EdB
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Ix Multimedia Software
>> >>
>> >> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>> >> 3521 VB Utrecht
>> >>
>> >> T. 06-51952295
>> >> I. 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ixsoftware.nl
>>=02%7C01%7C%7C4127f1b06d7f43f4310808d4fc59ca2f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c1
>>78decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410909953528643=BTLJuY5ffdBpl7z%2B%2FPa%2FHfu
>>ogqLc38DybDD2qL8oF78%3D=0
>> >>
>> >
>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
> YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his own
> name idea and others can give him +1.
>

There were several suggestions, some of which we could consider.  We should
probably let the FlexJS yes/no settle down before we start another thread.
All this feels a bit rushed,  I am having a bit of a hard time following
discussions/decisions.

Thanks,
Om


>
> Piotr
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
>
> > As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone who
> > would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
> >
> > We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path where
> > first target will be ports the old one applications.
> >
> > As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company as an
> > Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently they
> > change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone from
> > initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite there
> > were very good press out there in the company as in outside in Cracow.
> >
> > I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
> > opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This is
> what
> > we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for the
> > port, cause it provides me what I need.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin  wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target called
> >> > "Dover".
> >> >
> >>
> >> Are you testing the non-native speakers?
> >>
> >> I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
> >>
> >> EdB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ix Multimedia Software
> >>
> >> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >> 3521 VB Utrecht
> >>
> >> T. 06-51952295
> >> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
> >>
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Definitely the were the most support for Royale. +1 for starting vote
YES/NO. We could express in the VOTE thread that anyone can shot his own
name idea and others can give him +1.

Piotr

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:39 Piotr Zarzycki 
wrote:

> As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone who
> would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.
>
> We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path where
> first target will be ports the old one applications.
>
> As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company as an
> Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently they
> change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone from
> initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite there
> were very good press out there in the company as in outside in Cracow.
>
> I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
> opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This is what
> we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for the
> port, cause it provides me what I need.
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin  wrote:
>
>> >
>> > have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target called
>> > "Dover".
>> >
>>
>> Are you testing the non-native speakers?
>>
>> I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
>>
>> EdB
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ix Multimedia Software
>>
>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>>
>> T. 06-51952295
>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

As Alex said I also didn't answer for any single email from someone who
would like to start from scratch app or even would be new Flex world.

We may get such people in the future, but we need to go with path where
first target will be ports the old one applications.

As for the bad press - 4 years ago I have started work in a company as an
Flex Developer. This company grows on Flex development. Currently they
change the direction as many others, but I have to say that anyone from
initial 20 people said anything wrong about Flex. Just the opposite there
were very good press out there in the company as in outside in Cracow.

I'm all for having product FlexJS. We cannot abandon such tremendous
opportunity. Look in the message from Rui in the VOTE thread - This is what
we need to provide in order to read next time. I've choose FlexJS for the
port, cause it provides me what I need.

Thanks,
Piotr

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 18:09 Erik de Bruin  wrote:

> >
> > have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target called
> > "Dover".
> >
>
> Are you testing the non-native speakers?
>
> I spilt some of my coffee over that one ;-)
>
> EdB
>
>
>
> --
> Ix Multimedia Software
>
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
>
> T. 06-51952295
> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

Hi Carlos,

I agree with Piotr.  Retaining your ActionScript business logic instead of
the risk of porting it to a less structured language is one of the
original premises behind FlexJS.

I could be wrong, but I think all of the emails I've answered about FlexJS
in the past months are from people looking to migrate.  I don't recall
anyone saying they are creating a new app and choosing between FlexJS and
other JS frameworks.

IMO, renaming the code should be a day of work, but maybe I'm missing
something.  Let's fork the thread for that topic.

I'm not sure I've heard much support for any other name than Royale, so I
think we should start another yes/no vote thread for Royale.  I would like
to know from Justin Hill if (project=Royale,product=FlexJS) would
alleviate his concerns.

Also note, the further I dig into the new non-Adobe packaging, the more
different a package that can produce a SWF is from one that is truly
JS-only, so that is further making me think we can have two products with
different names.  We already have the one that produces SWFs that we
should continue to call FlexJS.  I should have the other one working soon.

My 2 cents,
-Alex


On 9/15/17, 7:46 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"  wrote:

>Carlos,
>
>Love your passion and share it fully. I cannot fully agree with you that
>having an old application in Flex people will need to rewrite completely.
>If they have separated enough good logic - they can put it without to much
>effort in our framework. - That is huge advantage in my opinion.
>
>Voting is going well on renaming. We have enough voices. Even if I change
>my vote it is still pass with renaming.
>
>The question is - what's with code rename? Can we stay as is? -
>
>I think someone should start vote with all name proposition. I don't have
>capacity within next 24 hours.
>
>Piotr
>
>On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 16:21 Carlos Rovira 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm with Om and others that one of the results we pursue with this
>>renaming
>> is to avoid the "Flex" name. We talked about the problems we have today
>> with clients when "Flex" is put in a discussion. You pay in terms of
>> credibility to your client.
>>
>> For migration : As a customer, I don't think migration is a real option.
>> FlexJS impose a very different code so almost all must be rewritten. You
>> only can think in maintain your languages (AS3/MXML) and environments
>>(FB,
>> IDEA,...), so for me there's no much room there to discuss. I must say
>>that
>> nowadays people like us considering to migrate would consider other
>>actual
>> techs like Angular or React since the cost is similar and they get the
>> popular framework in 2017.
>>
>> I see this renaming as a way to rebrand all our project and present it
>>to
>> the world with new visuals and marketing. And try to compete in the same
>> terms they do. Same kind of name, same kind of website, and so on...
>>
>> About Alex proposal to make different packages I think it could work,
>>but
>> for me that would be a plan after rename, rebranding and website
>>creation.
>> We can have it in mind for next steps after that. For me we need the
>>same
>> top name for product and project, and then we can release a package for
>> people wanting to migrate called "apache XXX FlexJS" or something. But
>> consider that to make that real we will need people interested in make
>>such
>> package and work for it. And consider how many people will be planing to
>> migrate from Flex and will find that FlexJS is completely different and
>> they can do it easily.
>>
>> @Piotr, my plans will be to work (if people wants me on that) on:
>>website,
>> logo design for me the motivation to work in that things is to get a
>> name that will make me think we can reach our goals, since if I don't
>> believe in a name will be complicated to give us a good work.
>> Far beyond that I always want to put work on the visuals of a component
>> design, I think we need that as we need the website and new name.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-15 13:17 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
>>:
>>
>> > I wanted to throw in a couple words / names to see if they "spark"
>> > anything.
>> >
>> >
>> > Arise
>> > Dawn
>> > Raise / Rise
>> >
>> > Dimension
>> > Facet
>> > Morph
>> > Poly
>> > Strand
>> >
>> > Derive
>> > Drive
>> > Quest
>> > Journey
>> >
>> > Fortune
>> > Prospect
>> > Trend
>> >
>> >
>> > -Mark K
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> 
>>>oscopic.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ca13ef292891c4ddc929f08d4fc48a9fb%7Cfa7b1b5a
>>7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410836399205878=BF6LX6%2BAsTv
>>HXwvnfS8VBEu7CDId3YFt5M%2BqMy6lncM%3D=0>
>>
>> Carlos Rovira
>>
>> Director General
>>
>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo
>>scopic.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ca13ef292891c4ddc929f08d4fc48a9fb%7Cfa7b1b5a7

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

On Sep 15, 2017 8:37 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:

It is funny, but actually, as we we've been thinking about adding suffixes
for target runtimes like Bend -> BendJS, it did occur to me that we would
have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target called
"Dover"


Hahaha.  Took me a while to get it.  I hope no one does that.



My 2 cents,
-Alex

On 9/15/17, 2:59 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>
wrote:

>I actually spilt some coffee on this one. Lol
>
>-Mark K
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl]
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:26 PM
>To: dev@flex.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>
>BendForward...
>
>(just kidding!)
>
>EdB
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

It is funny, but actually, as we we've been thinking about adding suffixes
for target runtimes like Bend -> BendJS, it did occur to me that we would
have a problem if someone created a runtime we wanted to target called
"Dover".

My 2 cents,
-Alex

On 9/15/17, 2:59 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <mark.kessler@usmc.mil>
wrote:

>I actually spilt some coffee on this one. Lol
>
>-Mark K
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl]
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:26 PM
>To: dev@flex.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>
>BendForward...
>
>(just kidding!)
>
>EdB
>

Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Carlos,

Love your passion and share it fully. I cannot fully agree with you that
having an old application in Flex people will need to rewrite completely.
If they have separated enough good logic - they can put it without to much
effort in our framework. - That is huge advantage in my opinion.

Voting is going well on renaming. We have enough voices. Even if I change
my vote it is still pass with renaming.

The question is - what's with code rename? Can we stay as is? -

I think someone should start vote with all name proposition. I don't have
capacity within next 24 hours.

Piotr

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 16:21 Carlos Rovira 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm with Om and others that one of the results we pursue with this renaming
> is to avoid the "Flex" name. We talked about the problems we have today
> with clients when "Flex" is put in a discussion. You pay in terms of
> credibility to your client.
>
> For migration : As a customer, I don't think migration is a real option.
> FlexJS impose a very different code so almost all must be rewritten. You
> only can think in maintain your languages (AS3/MXML) and environments (FB,
> IDEA,...), so for me there's no much room there to discuss. I must say that
> nowadays people like us considering to migrate would consider other actual
> techs like Angular or React since the cost is similar and they get the
> popular framework in 2017.
>
> I see this renaming as a way to rebrand all our project and present it to
> the world with new visuals and marketing. And try to compete in the same
> terms they do. Same kind of name, same kind of website, and so on...
>
> About Alex proposal to make different packages I think it could work, but
> for me that would be a plan after rename, rebranding and website creation.
> We can have it in mind for next steps after that. For me we need the same
> top name for product and project, and then we can release a package for
> people wanting to migrate called "apache XXX FlexJS" or something. But
> consider that to make that real we will need people interested in make such
> package and work for it. And consider how many people will be planing to
> migrate from Flex and will find that FlexJS is completely different and
> they can do it easily.
>
> @Piotr, my plans will be to work (if people wants me on that) on: website,
> logo design for me the motivation to work in that things is to get a
> name that will make me think we can reach our goals, since if I don't
> believe in a name will be complicated to give us a good work.
> Far beyond that I always want to put work on the visuals of a component
> design, I think we need that as we need the website and new name.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2017-09-15 13:17 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J :
>
> > I wanted to throw in a couple words / names to see if they "spark"
> > anything.
> >
> >
> > Arise
> > Dawn
> > Raise / Rise
> >
> > Dimension
> > Facet
> > Morph
> > Poly
> > Strand
> >
> > Derive
> > Drive
> > Quest
> > Journey
> >
> > Fortune
> > Prospect
> > Trend
> >
> >
> > -Mark K
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> 
>
> Carlos Rovira
>
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>
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Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Carlos Rovira]

Hi,

I'm with Om and others that one of the results we pursue with this renaming
is to avoid the "Flex" name. We talked about the problems we have today
with clients when "Flex" is put in a discussion. You pay in terms of
credibility to your client.

For migration : As a customer, I don't think migration is a real option.
FlexJS impose a very different code so almost all must be rewritten. You
only can think in maintain your languages (AS3/MXML) and environments (FB,
IDEA,...), so for me there's no much room there to discuss. I must say that
nowadays people like us considering to migrate would consider other actual
techs like Angular or React since the cost is similar and they get the
popular framework in 2017.

I see this renaming as a way to rebrand all our project and present it to
the world with new visuals and marketing. And try to compete in the same
terms they do. Same kind of name, same kind of website, and so on...

About Alex proposal to make different packages I think it could work, but
for me that would be a plan after rename, rebranding and website creation.
We can have it in mind for next steps after that. For me we need the same
top name for product and project, and then we can release a package for
people wanting to migrate called "apache XXX FlexJS" or something. But
consider that to make that real we will need people interested in make such
package and work for it. And consider how many people will be planing to
migrate from Flex and will find that FlexJS is completely different and
they can do it easily.

@Piotr, my plans will be to work (if people wants me on that) on: website,
logo design for me the motivation to work in that things is to get a
name that will make me think we can reach our goals, since if I don't
believe in a name will be complicated to give us a good work.
Far beyond that I always want to put work on the visuals of a component
design, I think we need that as we need the website and new name.





2017-09-15 13:17 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J :

> I wanted to throw in a couple words / names to see if they "spark"
> anything.
>
>
> Arise
> Dawn
> Raise / Rise
>
> Dimension
> Facet
> Morph
> Poly
> Strand
>
> Derive
> Drive
> Quest
> Journey
>
> Fortune
> Prospect
> Trend
>
>
> -Mark K
>
>


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RE: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Kessler CTR Mark J]

I wanted to throw in a couple words / names to see if they "spark" anything.


Arise
Dawn
Raise / Rise

Dimension
Facet
Morph
Poly
Strand

Derive
Drive
Quest
Journey

Fortune
Prospect
Trend


-Mark K

RE: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Kessler CTR Mark J]

I actually spilt some coffee on this one. Lol

-Mark K

-Original Message-
From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:26 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

BendForward...

(just kidding!)

EdB

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Olaf Krueger]

Could we try to summarize all name proposals in order to build a single post
that contains all candidates (project names) before voting?
I think it's not so easy to extract all naming ideas from the different
threads/posts, I just remember a few.
What do you think of just creating a list of previous proposals and new ones
in reply to this post?:

- Royale
- Bend
- ...

Thanks,
Olaf



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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Harbs,

Agree to start another vote simultaneously. We have gathered proposition in
this email chain, if you could get all of them. VOTE could look like that:

+1 (Name from the list)
+1 (My proposition)

Does this sound ok ?

I'm looking into the code what would be the impact changing all the
resources to get rid of Flex name. - It look so far as an big amount of
work. The question is - Are we have to do this if the product name will
stay as FlexJS ?

Piotr


2017-09-15 9:49 GMT+02:00 Harbs :

> I agree.
>
> Let’s finish the vote on the project name and we can discuss the product
> (or products) name(s) later.
>
> I think we should start the vote on the new name options. I’m not sure
> what the best format of such a vote should be. We need a culled list of
> options and way of tallying up opinions. Suggestions?
>
> I think we should start with everyone putting forward their favorites of
> the options mentioned. Once we have that, we can compile the list of
> options and start a vote.
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Olaf Krueger  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This was posted by Chris at the [VOTE] thread
> >> and I know what getting rid of "flex" everywhere inside the project
> would
> > mean regarding refactoring and >tool support.
> >
> > I thought that for now we just vote for a new project name in order to
> get
> > rid of the word 'Flex' within the Apache project name.
> > Hence I thought that there's no urgent need to replace the occurrence of
> the
> > word 'flex' throughout the entire codebase.
> > I think that there are a lot of projects out there which were renamed and
> > still contains old names in their codebase.
> >
> > Do I misunderstand something?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Olaf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
>
>


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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Olaf Krueger]

Another idea to get out the naming dilemma could be to find a name for the
new project that still contains 'flex' but don't let you think of flex when
you read it the first time, e.g.:

...
Inflexion
Flexor
Flexure
...

Just a Scrabble exercise... ;-)

So people might be less confused if they find the word 'flex' in the
codebase.
Maybe current users and as well new users feel comfortable with such a name.

Just a thought...

Olaf



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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

I agree.

Let’s finish the vote on the project name and we can discuss the product (or 
products) name(s) later.

I think we should start the vote on the new name options. I’m not sure what the 
best format of such a vote should be. We need a culled list of options and way 
of tallying up opinions. Suggestions?

I think we should start with everyone putting forward their favorites of the 
options mentioned. Once we have that, we can compile the list of options and 
start a vote.

Harbs

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Olaf Krueger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This was posted by Chris at the [VOTE] thread
>> and I know what getting rid of "flex" everywhere inside the project would
> mean regarding refactoring and >tool support.
> 
> I thought that for now we just vote for a new project name in order to get
> rid of the word 'Flex' within the Apache project name.
> Hence I thought that there's no urgent need to replace the occurrence of the
> word 'flex' throughout the entire codebase.
> I think that there are a lot of projects out there which were renamed and
> still contains old names in their codebase.
> 
> Do I misunderstand something?
> 
> Thanks,
> Olaf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Olaf Krueger]

Hi,

This was posted by Chris at the [VOTE] thread
>and I know what getting rid of "flex" everywhere inside the project would
mean regarding refactoring and >tool support.

I thought that for now we just vote for a new project name in order to get
rid of the word 'Flex' within the Apache project name.
Hence I thought that there's no urgent need to replace the occurrence of the
word 'flex' throughout the entire codebase.
I think that there are a lot of projects out there which were renamed and
still contains old names in their codebase.

Do I misunderstand something?

Thanks,
Olaf





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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

I'm willing to change my VOTE to Yes if there will be no help from Carlos
if we will have Project Name: Royale, but ship product name: FlexJS. Sorry
but we really have to have real help if it is even going to happen.

Thanks,
Piotr

2017-09-15 8:36 GMT+02:00 Olaf Krueger :

> >So same product but marketed with two different names?
>
> I think this is what we see in the real world all the time:
> Identical products are optimized (under different names) for local markets
> or special target groups to satisfy the needs of consumers.
>
> Sounds like a reasonable way to reach as many people as possible but it
> also
> means some more effort and there is a risk of confusing the people
>
> Thanks,
> Olaf
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/
>



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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

It may not be the same bits.  I think it would be two different packages.
There might be different defaults, there is no need for Flash Builder
support in the product that isn't called FlexJS so we may not ship those
files or mention Flash Builder in the doc.

-Alex

On 9/14/17, 11:01 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:

>So same product but marketed with two different names?
>
>Kind of odd, but an interesting approach. It might have merit.
>
>I’d like to sit on this idea. I’m not yet sure how I feel about it.
>
>Harbs
>
>> On Sep 15, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Alex Harui 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> This is why I proposed what I did last night:
>> -Project name: Royale
>> -Product name for folks who don't know Flex: Royale
>> -Product name for folks who do know Flex: FlexJS
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

So same product but marketed with two different names?

Kind of odd, but an interesting approach. It might have merit.

I’d like to sit on this idea. I’m not yet sure how I feel about it.

Harbs

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 3:04 AM, Alex Harui  wrote:
> 
> This is why I proposed what I did last night:
> -Project name: Royale
> -Product name for folks who don't know Flex: Royale
> -Product name for folks who do know Flex: FlexJS

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

For me it is definitly start like a plan. It would be good in the vote
mention that we may stay with FlexJS name as an Product - To be discussed -
even voted.

Thoughts?

Piotr

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 00:36 Harbs  wrote:

> Unless there are objections, I propose we continue the vote for the
> project name and we can have a separate discussion once the new project is
> formed on what to name the product.
>
> I don’t think we should rush into the decision on the product, but the
> project name is more time critical and has less marketing impact.
>
> Does that sound like a plan?
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > Reading Justin's thoughts we should really consider all of that. We can
> > loose a lot of already gathered attention even if Carlos will put effort
> > for new brand.
> >
> > +1 for having Product Name as FlexJS. That would be the bridge which can
> > hold us.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 23:31 Peter Ent  wrote:
> >
> >> If the project name were to be "Apache Royale" and produced FlexJS, and
> >> the Apache Royale web page/wiki referenced FlexJS and made it available
> >> for Google searches, then anyone who was interested in or heard about
> >> FlexJS and searched for "FlexJS" (or "Flex" or "Adobe Flex" or "Apache
> >> Flex" or "ActionScript Flex" or ), they should get a link to Apache
> >> Royale in their search results. The blurb that accompanies the search
> >> result should mention FlexJS. I think that would be enough to pique
> >> interest and get a click.
> >>
> >> Substitute "Royale" for whatever name you'd like the project to be
> called.
> >>
> >> ‹peter
> >>
> >> On 9/14/17, 5:16 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> It¹s great to have another perspective on this.
> >>>
> >>> Some of these issues can be addressed by SEO.
> >>>
> >>> It could be that we should be careful about changing names, and / or
> >>> timing of changing names.
> >>>
> >>> Alex does make a good point that the project name does not need to be
> the
> >>> same as the product name. It might make sense to keep the product as
> >>> FlexJS for now at least and just pick a different project name. The
> >>> product name is easier to change than the project name and a project
> can
> >>> have more than one product.
> >>>
> >>> If I would pick a reference to a product which did a major rebranding
> to
> >>> drop associations to old technology it would be Xojo. I¹m not sure how
> >>> many here are familiar with it, but it used to be call REALBasic. A few
> >>> years back they rebranded as Xojo. I don¹t think it made much of a
> >>> difference to the folks using it. I have no idea if it helped them or
> not.
> >>>
> >>> Harbs
> >>>
>  On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Justin M. Hill 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Hi everyone,
> 
>  I am not someone with an official vote, but I wanted to express my
>  concern
>  about ditching the FlexJS name.
> 
>  The largest possible market for adoption of a new "javascript"
> solution
>  is
>  to go after those who have stuck with Flex.   There are FAR too many
>  javascript solutions on the market right now.
> 
>  If the vote is to change the name, this will:
> 
>  -- confuse the people who have been patiently waiting for FlexJS to
> get
>  to
>  1.0 so they can dive in.
> 
>  -- get lost in the noise of all of the other far more well popularized
>  javascript frameworks like Angular, React, etc.
> 
>  -- lose the feeling, however small it may be, that those who came from
>  the
>  Flex background can expect to have some of their knowledge recycled.
> 
> 
>  These are 3 critical aspects in terms of raising awareness and having
> a
>  potentially devoted following of one technology (Flex) star to
>  transition
>  and champion to a new one (FlexJS).
> 
>  If we lose that, then we effectively have to target against ALL
>  javascript
>  frameworks, most notably ones that are heavily entrenched already and
>  supported by giant company resources like Google and Facebook.
> 
> 
>  I am strongly opposed to a name change.  I think this would be a huge
>  mistake.
> 
>  On top of that, picking a new name and gaining awareness of it is
> HARD.
> 
>  It should be reason enough for the Apache powers-that-be to approve a
>  project change to avoid being stuck with a huge legacy Flex bugbase
> that
>  Adobe donated, and instead start fresh with our 1.0 name.
> 
>  If that cannot be achieved, then at a bare minimum we should seek to
>  keep
>  the name FlexJS.
> 
> 
>  Regarding targeting something other than Javascript -- like SWF or AIR
>  -- I
>  realize the debug aspect benefits are important, but all this is 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

I believe that's the idea which we should bring into the new project. Let's
be really specific about that on our page and we will not loose anything.

I would like to hear more whether Carlos in that shape would like to still
help with that by creating website etc.

I really don't want to put an mine energy on promoting stuff more than now.
I would like to still have some rings calling FlexJS name.

Piotr

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 02:05 Alex Harui  wrote:

> I agree that for getting new users who don't already know about Flex, that
> having a name without Flex in it would be best.  But I think Justin Hill
> is saying, and I share his concern, that folks who are sitting on a Flex
> app and thinking about migrating might be more attracted to a product
> named FlexJS than some name without Flex in it.
>
> Further, I think we might want to have one product for the migrating Flex
> customer and another for someone coming in without Flex background.  The
> getting started documentation might be different.  One would leverage
> existing knowledge of MXML and AS and draw comparisons between Flex and
> FlexJS.  Just about all migrating Flex customers don't need as much detail
> on what RemoteObject and AMF is, for example.  But a new person without
> Flex background may not even be interested in RemoteObject.  We could put
> RemoteObject support in its own SWC and not ship that SWC in a package
> that targets folks who don't know Flex.  The release package for folks
> without Flex background may not mention Flash Builder at all or contain
> the Flash Builder integration modules, launch configs, and  documentation.
>  It may not even support any other IDEs other than VSCode and maybe
> Moonshine.
>
> I'm still trying to finish up build scripts that create a non-Adobe
> release package.  Once I get that done, I can try creating a different
> non-Adobe release package that isn't a valid Flash Builder SDK and doesn't
> contain any Flash Builder support and make sure it works with VSCode and
> see if the Moonshine folks want to support it and what we would need to
> change to make it work.  And that package without Flash Builder support
> could have the same name as the Project, but the other package that
> supports other Flex IDEs could still be called FlexJS.
>
> This is why I proposed what I did last night:
> -Project name: Royale
> -Product name for folks who don't know Flex: Royale
> -Product name for folks who do know Flex: FlexJS
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 9/14/17, 3:59 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
>  wrote:
>
> >In my view, the biggest reason for a fork is to get away from the name
> >Flex.
> >
> >In terms of familiarity, show a few lines of MXML code to current Flex
> >developers, they will immediately recognize it.
> >
> >The same way that I recognize JQuery if I see the $ symbol or AngularJS
> >when I see ng-something.
> >
> >My point is, if we can have a big snippet of MXML on our home page, SEO
> >for
> >flex, flejs, actionscript, mxml, etc, we should be able to cover existing
> >Flex users.
> >
> >For getting new users, IMHO, we must must get rid of the word Flex.  Once
> >someone comes in based on curiosity, we need to ensure that they like what
> >they see, namely ease of setup, ease of use, features support, etc.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >On Sep 14, 2017 3:36 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >
> >> Unless there are objections, I propose we continue the vote for the
> >> project name and we can have a separate discussion once the new project
> >>is
> >> formed on what to name the product.
> >>
> >> I don’t think we should rush into the decision on the product, but the
> >> project name is more time critical and has less marketing impact.
> >>
> >> Does that sound like a plan?
> >>
> >> Harbs
> >>
> >> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Guys,
> >> >
> >> > Reading Justin's thoughts we should really consider all of that. We
> >>can
> >> > loose a lot of already gathered attention even if Carlos will put
> >>effort
> >> > for new brand.
> >> >
> >> > +1 for having Product Name as FlexJS. That would be the bridge which
> >>can
> >> > hold us.
> >> >
> >> > Piotr
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 23:31 Peter Ent  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If the project name were to be "Apache Royale" and produced FlexJS,
> >>and
> >> >> the Apache Royale web page/wiki referenced FlexJS and made it
> >>available
> >> >> for Google searches, then anyone who was interested in or heard about
> >> >> FlexJS and searched for "FlexJS" (or "Flex" or "Adobe Flex" or
> >>"Apache
> >> >> Flex" or "ActionScript Flex" or ), they should get a link to
> >>Apache
> >> >> Royale in their search results. The blurb that accompanies the search
> >> >> result should mention FlexJS. I think that would be enough to pique
> >> >> interest 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

I agree that for getting new users who don't already know about Flex, that
having a name without Flex in it would be best.  But I think Justin Hill
is saying, and I share his concern, that folks who are sitting on a Flex
app and thinking about migrating might be more attracted to a product
named FlexJS than some name without Flex in it.

Further, I think we might want to have one product for the migrating Flex
customer and another for someone coming in without Flex background.  The
getting started documentation might be different.  One would leverage
existing knowledge of MXML and AS and draw comparisons between Flex and
FlexJS.  Just about all migrating Flex customers don't need as much detail
on what RemoteObject and AMF is, for example.  But a new person without
Flex background may not even be interested in RemoteObject.  We could put
RemoteObject support in its own SWC and not ship that SWC in a package
that targets folks who don't know Flex.  The release package for folks
without Flex background may not mention Flash Builder at all or contain
the Flash Builder integration modules, launch configs, and  documentation.
 It may not even support any other IDEs other than VSCode and maybe
Moonshine.

I'm still trying to finish up build scripts that create a non-Adobe
release package.  Once I get that done, I can try creating a different
non-Adobe release package that isn't a valid Flash Builder SDK and doesn't
contain any Flash Builder support and make sure it works with VSCode and
see if the Moonshine folks want to support it and what we would need to
change to make it work.  And that package without Flash Builder support
could have the same name as the Project, but the other package that
supports other Flex IDEs could still be called FlexJS.

This is why I proposed what I did last night:
-Project name: Royale
-Product name for folks who don't know Flex: Royale
-Product name for folks who do know Flex: FlexJS

Thoughts?
-Alex

On 9/14/17, 3:59 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
 wrote:

>In my view, the biggest reason for a fork is to get away from the name
>Flex.
>
>In terms of familiarity, show a few lines of MXML code to current Flex
>developers, they will immediately recognize it.
>
>The same way that I recognize JQuery if I see the $ symbol or AngularJS
>when I see ng-something.
>
>My point is, if we can have a big snippet of MXML on our home page, SEO
>for
>flex, flejs, actionscript, mxml, etc, we should be able to cover existing
>Flex users.
>
>For getting new users, IMHO, we must must get rid of the word Flex.  Once
>someone comes in based on curiosity, we need to ensure that they like what
>they see, namely ease of setup, ease of use, features support, etc.
>
>Thanks,
>Om
>
>On Sep 14, 2017 3:36 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>
>> Unless there are objections, I propose we continue the vote for the
>> project name and we can have a separate discussion once the new project
>>is
>> formed on what to name the product.
>>
>> I don’t think we should rush into the decision on the product, but the
>> project name is more time critical and has less marketing impact.
>>
>> Does that sound like a plan?
>>
>> Harbs
>>
>> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Piotr Zarzycki
>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Guys,
>> >
>> > Reading Justin's thoughts we should really consider all of that. We
>>can
>> > loose a lot of already gathered attention even if Carlos will put
>>effort
>> > for new brand.
>> >
>> > +1 for having Product Name as FlexJS. That would be the bridge which
>>can
>> > hold us.
>> >
>> > Piotr
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 23:31 Peter Ent  wrote:
>> >
>> >> If the project name were to be "Apache Royale" and produced FlexJS,
>>and
>> >> the Apache Royale web page/wiki referenced FlexJS and made it
>>available
>> >> for Google searches, then anyone who was interested in or heard about
>> >> FlexJS and searched for "FlexJS" (or "Flex" or "Adobe Flex" or
>>"Apache
>> >> Flex" or "ActionScript Flex" or ), they should get a link to
>>Apache
>> >> Royale in their search results. The blurb that accompanies the search
>> >> result should mention FlexJS. I think that would be enough to pique
>> >> interest and get a click.
>> >>
>> >> Substitute "Royale" for whatever name you'd like the project to be
>> called.
>> >>
>> >> ‹peter
>> >>
>> >> On 9/14/17, 5:16 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It¹s great to have another perspective on this.
>> >>>
>> >>> Some of these issues can be addressed by SEO.
>> >>>
>> >>> It could be that we should be careful about changing names, and / or
>> >>> timing of changing names.
>> >>>
>> >>> Alex does make a good point that the project name does not need to
>>be
>> the
>> >>> same as the product name. It might make sense to keep the product as
>> >>> FlexJS for now at least and just pick a different project name. The
>> >>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

Unless there are objections, I propose we continue the vote for the project 
name and we can have a separate discussion once the new project is formed on 
what to name the product.

I don’t think we should rush into the decision on the product, but the project 
name is more time critical and has less marketing impact.

Does that sound like a plan?

Harbs

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Piotr Zarzycki  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> Reading Justin's thoughts we should really consider all of that. We can
> loose a lot of already gathered attention even if Carlos will put effort
> for new brand.
> 
> +1 for having Product Name as FlexJS. That would be the bridge which can
> hold us.
> 
> Piotr
> 
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 23:31 Peter Ent  wrote:
> 
>> If the project name were to be "Apache Royale" and produced FlexJS, and
>> the Apache Royale web page/wiki referenced FlexJS and made it available
>> for Google searches, then anyone who was interested in or heard about
>> FlexJS and searched for "FlexJS" (or "Flex" or "Adobe Flex" or "Apache
>> Flex" or "ActionScript Flex" or ), they should get a link to Apache
>> Royale in their search results. The blurb that accompanies the search
>> result should mention FlexJS. I think that would be enough to pique
>> interest and get a click.
>> 
>> Substitute "Royale" for whatever name you'd like the project to be called.
>> 
>> ‹peter
>> 
>> On 9/14/17, 5:16 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>> 
>>> It¹s great to have another perspective on this.
>>> 
>>> Some of these issues can be addressed by SEO.
>>> 
>>> It could be that we should be careful about changing names, and / or
>>> timing of changing names.
>>> 
>>> Alex does make a good point that the project name does not need to be the
>>> same as the product name. It might make sense to keep the product as
>>> FlexJS for now at least and just pick a different project name. The
>>> product name is easier to change than the project name and a project can
>>> have more than one product.
>>> 
>>> If I would pick a reference to a product which did a major rebranding to
>>> drop associations to old technology it would be Xojo. I¹m not sure how
>>> many here are familiar with it, but it used to be call REALBasic. A few
>>> years back they rebranded as Xojo. I don¹t think it made much of a
>>> difference to the folks using it. I have no idea if it helped them or not.
>>> 
>>> Harbs
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Justin M. Hill 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I am not someone with an official vote, but I wanted to express my
 concern
 about ditching the FlexJS name.
 
 The largest possible market for adoption of a new "javascript" solution
 is
 to go after those who have stuck with Flex.   There are FAR too many
 javascript solutions on the market right now.
 
 If the vote is to change the name, this will:
 
 -- confuse the people who have been patiently waiting for FlexJS to get
 to
 1.0 so they can dive in.
 
 -- get lost in the noise of all of the other far more well popularized
 javascript frameworks like Angular, React, etc.
 
 -- lose the feeling, however small it may be, that those who came from
 the
 Flex background can expect to have some of their knowledge recycled.
 
 
 These are 3 critical aspects in terms of raising awareness and having a
 potentially devoted following of one technology (Flex) star to
 transition
 and champion to a new one (FlexJS).
 
 If we lose that, then we effectively have to target against ALL
 javascript
 frameworks, most notably ones that are heavily entrenched already and
 supported by giant company resources like Google and Facebook.
 
 
 I am strongly opposed to a name change.  I think this would be a huge
 mistake.
 
 On top of that, picking a new name and gaining awareness of it is HARD.
 
 It should be reason enough for the Apache powers-that-be to approve a
 project change to avoid being stuck with a huge legacy Flex bugbase that
 Adobe donated, and instead start fresh with our 1.0 name.
 
 If that cannot be achieved, then at a bare minimum we should seek to
 keep
 the name FlexJS.
 
 
 Regarding targeting something other than Javascript -- like SWF or AIR
 -- I
 realize the debug aspect benefits are important, but all this is going
 to
 do is confuse people.
 
 I have read about HaXe a dozen times, and I never understand what it
 does
 because apparently it does too much.   A swiss army knife is a lot more
 confusing to use then a fixed head screwdriver.
 
 Please, we have spent SO much time trying to get to 1.0 -- lets get
 FOCUSED
 on delivering what everyone outside of the community of active
 participants
 here has been 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[OmPrakash Muppirala]

In my view, the biggest reason for a fork is to get away from the name Flex.

In terms of familiarity, show a few lines of MXML code to current Flex
developers, they will immediately recognize it.

The same way that I recognize JQuery if I see the $ symbol or AngularJS
when I see ng-something.

My point is, if we can have a big snippet of MXML on our home page, SEO for
flex, flejs, actionscript, mxml, etc, we should be able to cover existing
Flex users.

For getting new users, IMHO, we must must get rid of the word Flex.  Once
someone comes in based on curiosity, we need to ensure that they like what
they see, namely ease of setup, ease of use, features support, etc.

Thanks,
Om

On Sep 14, 2017 3:36 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:

> Unless there are objections, I propose we continue the vote for the
> project name and we can have a separate discussion once the new project is
> formed on what to name the product.
>
> I don’t think we should rush into the decision on the product, but the
> project name is more time critical and has less marketing impact.
>
> Does that sound like a plan?
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Piotr Zarzycki 
> wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > Reading Justin's thoughts we should really consider all of that. We can
> > loose a lot of already gathered attention even if Carlos will put effort
> > for new brand.
> >
> > +1 for having Product Name as FlexJS. That would be the bridge which can
> > hold us.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 23:31 Peter Ent  wrote:
> >
> >> If the project name were to be "Apache Royale" and produced FlexJS, and
> >> the Apache Royale web page/wiki referenced FlexJS and made it available
> >> for Google searches, then anyone who was interested in or heard about
> >> FlexJS and searched for "FlexJS" (or "Flex" or "Adobe Flex" or "Apache
> >> Flex" or "ActionScript Flex" or ), they should get a link to Apache
> >> Royale in their search results. The blurb that accompanies the search
> >> result should mention FlexJS. I think that would be enough to pique
> >> interest and get a click.
> >>
> >> Substitute "Royale" for whatever name you'd like the project to be
> called.
> >>
> >> ‹peter
> >>
> >> On 9/14/17, 5:16 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> It¹s great to have another perspective on this.
> >>>
> >>> Some of these issues can be addressed by SEO.
> >>>
> >>> It could be that we should be careful about changing names, and / or
> >>> timing of changing names.
> >>>
> >>> Alex does make a good point that the project name does not need to be
> the
> >>> same as the product name. It might make sense to keep the product as
> >>> FlexJS for now at least and just pick a different project name. The
> >>> product name is easier to change than the project name and a project
> can
> >>> have more than one product.
> >>>
> >>> If I would pick a reference to a product which did a major rebranding
> to
> >>> drop associations to old technology it would be Xojo. I¹m not sure how
> >>> many here are familiar with it, but it used to be call REALBasic. A few
> >>> years back they rebranded as Xojo. I don¹t think it made much of a
> >>> difference to the folks using it. I have no idea if it helped them or
> not.
> >>>
> >>> Harbs
> >>>
>  On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Justin M. Hill 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Hi everyone,
> 
>  I am not someone with an official vote, but I wanted to express my
>  concern
>  about ditching the FlexJS name.
> 
>  The largest possible market for adoption of a new "javascript"
> solution
>  is
>  to go after those who have stuck with Flex.   There are FAR too many
>  javascript solutions on the market right now.
> 
>  If the vote is to change the name, this will:
> 
>  -- confuse the people who have been patiently waiting for FlexJS to
> get
>  to
>  1.0 so they can dive in.
> 
>  -- get lost in the noise of all of the other far more well popularized
>  javascript frameworks like Angular, React, etc.
> 
>  -- lose the feeling, however small it may be, that those who came from
>  the
>  Flex background can expect to have some of their knowledge recycled.
> 
> 
>  These are 3 critical aspects in terms of raising awareness and having
> a
>  potentially devoted following of one technology (Flex) star to
>  transition
>  and champion to a new one (FlexJS).
> 
>  If we lose that, then we effectively have to target against ALL
>  javascript
>  frameworks, most notably ones that are heavily entrenched already and
>  supported by giant company resources like Google and Facebook.
> 
> 
>  I am strongly opposed to a name change.  I think this would be a huge
>  mistake.
> 
>  On top of that, picking a new name and gaining awareness of it is
> HARD.
> 
>  It 

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Piotr Zarzycki]

Guys,

Reading Justin's thoughts we should really consider all of that. We can
loose a lot of already gathered attention even if Carlos will put effort
for new brand.

+1 for having Product Name as FlexJS. That would be the bridge which can
hold us.

Piotr

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 23:31 Peter Ent  wrote:

> If the project name were to be "Apache Royale" and produced FlexJS, and
> the Apache Royale web page/wiki referenced FlexJS and made it available
> for Google searches, then anyone who was interested in or heard about
> FlexJS and searched for "FlexJS" (or "Flex" or "Adobe Flex" or "Apache
> Flex" or "ActionScript Flex" or ), they should get a link to Apache
> Royale in their search results. The blurb that accompanies the search
> result should mention FlexJS. I think that would be enough to pique
> interest and get a click.
>
> Substitute "Royale" for whatever name you'd like the project to be called.
>
> ‹peter
>
> On 9/14/17, 5:16 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:
>
> >It¹s great to have another perspective on this.
> >
> >Some of these issues can be addressed by SEO.
> >
> >It could be that we should be careful about changing names, and / or
> >timing of changing names.
> >
> >Alex does make a good point that the project name does not need to be the
> >same as the product name. It might make sense to keep the product as
> >FlexJS for now at least and just pick a different project name. The
> >product name is easier to change than the project name and a project can
> >have more than one product.
> >
> >If I would pick a reference to a product which did a major rebranding to
> >drop associations to old technology it would be Xojo. I¹m not sure how
> >many here are familiar with it, but it used to be call REALBasic. A few
> >years back they rebranded as Xojo. I don¹t think it made much of a
> >difference to the folks using it. I have no idea if it helped them or not.
> >
> >Harbs
> >
> >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Justin M. Hill 
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I am not someone with an official vote, but I wanted to express my
> >>concern
> >> about ditching the FlexJS name.
> >>
> >> The largest possible market for adoption of a new "javascript" solution
> >>is
> >> to go after those who have stuck with Flex.   There are FAR too many
> >> javascript solutions on the market right now.
> >>
> >> If the vote is to change the name, this will:
> >>
> >> -- confuse the people who have been patiently waiting for FlexJS to get
> >>to
> >> 1.0 so they can dive in.
> >>
> >> -- get lost in the noise of all of the other far more well popularized
> >> javascript frameworks like Angular, React, etc.
> >>
> >> -- lose the feeling, however small it may be, that those who came from
> >>the
> >> Flex background can expect to have some of their knowledge recycled.
> >>
> >>
> >> These are 3 critical aspects in terms of raising awareness and having a
> >> potentially devoted following of one technology (Flex) star to
> >>transition
> >> and champion to a new one (FlexJS).
> >>
> >> If we lose that, then we effectively have to target against ALL
> >>javascript
> >> frameworks, most notably ones that are heavily entrenched already and
> >> supported by giant company resources like Google and Facebook.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am strongly opposed to a name change.  I think this would be a huge
> >> mistake.
> >>
> >> On top of that, picking a new name and gaining awareness of it is HARD.
> >>
> >> It should be reason enough for the Apache powers-that-be to approve a
> >> project change to avoid being stuck with a huge legacy Flex bugbase that
> >> Adobe donated, and instead start fresh with our 1.0 name.
> >>
> >> If that cannot be achieved, then at a bare minimum we should seek to
> >>keep
> >> the name FlexJS.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regarding targeting something other than Javascript -- like SWF or AIR
> >>-- I
> >> realize the debug aspect benefits are important, but all this is going
> >>to
> >> do is confuse people.
> >>
> >> I have read about HaXe a dozen times, and I never understand what it
> >>does
> >> because apparently it does too much.   A swiss army knife is a lot more
> >> confusing to use then a fixed head screwdriver.
> >>
> >> Please, we have spent SO much time trying to get to 1.0 -- lets get
> >>FOCUSED
> >> on delivering what everyone outside of the community of active
> >>participants
> >> here has been waiting on, which is a future direction for their Flex
> >> efforts.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Justin Hill
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FProminic
> .
> >>NET=02%7C01%7C%7Ce3d4e33b77f840be8d2b08d4fbb5d605%7Cfa7b1b5a7b344387
> >>94aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410205784877857=cw5LAiH6bOvULqdsdx4NL
> >>GWNUawI58dy%2F4fqTI5aCaM%3D=0 | Skype: JustinProminic
> >>
> >> My Apache Flex community contribution is working on the open
> >> source Moonshine-IDE.com for FlexJS.
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Peter Ent]

If the project name were to be "Apache Royale" and produced FlexJS, and
the Apache Royale web page/wiki referenced FlexJS and made it available
for Google searches, then anyone who was interested in or heard about
FlexJS and searched for "FlexJS" (or "Flex" or "Adobe Flex" or "Apache
Flex" or "ActionScript Flex" or ), they should get a link to Apache
Royale in their search results. The blurb that accompanies the search
result should mention FlexJS. I think that would be enough to pique
interest and get a click.

Substitute "Royale" for whatever name you'd like the project to be called.

‹peter

On 9/14/17, 5:16 PM, "Harbs"  wrote:

>It¹s great to have another perspective on this.
>
>Some of these issues can be addressed by SEO.
>
>It could be that we should be careful about changing names, and / or
>timing of changing names.
>
>Alex does make a good point that the project name does not need to be the
>same as the product name. It might make sense to keep the product as
>FlexJS for now at least and just pick a different project name. The
>product name is easier to change than the project name and a project can
>have more than one product.
>
>If I would pick a reference to a product which did a major rebranding to
>drop associations to old technology it would be Xojo. I¹m not sure how
>many here are familiar with it, but it used to be call REALBasic. A few
>years back they rebranded as Xojo. I don¹t think it made much of a
>difference to the folks using it. I have no idea if it helped them or not.
>
>Harbs
>
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Justin M. Hill 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I am not someone with an official vote, but I wanted to express my
>>concern
>> about ditching the FlexJS name.
>> 
>> The largest possible market for adoption of a new "javascript" solution
>>is
>> to go after those who have stuck with Flex.   There are FAR too many
>> javascript solutions on the market right now.
>> 
>> If the vote is to change the name, this will:
>> 
>> -- confuse the people who have been patiently waiting for FlexJS to get
>>to
>> 1.0 so they can dive in.
>> 
>> -- get lost in the noise of all of the other far more well popularized
>> javascript frameworks like Angular, React, etc.
>> 
>> -- lose the feeling, however small it may be, that those who came from
>>the
>> Flex background can expect to have some of their knowledge recycled.
>> 
>> 
>> These are 3 critical aspects in terms of raising awareness and having a
>> potentially devoted following of one technology (Flex) star to
>>transition
>> and champion to a new one (FlexJS).
>> 
>> If we lose that, then we effectively have to target against ALL
>>javascript
>> frameworks, most notably ones that are heavily entrenched already and
>> supported by giant company resources like Google and Facebook.
>> 
>> 
>> I am strongly opposed to a name change.  I think this would be a huge
>> mistake.
>> 
>> On top of that, picking a new name and gaining awareness of it is HARD.
>> 
>> It should be reason enough for the Apache powers-that-be to approve a
>> project change to avoid being stuck with a huge legacy Flex bugbase that
>> Adobe donated, and instead start fresh with our 1.0 name.
>> 
>> If that cannot be achieved, then at a bare minimum we should seek to
>>keep
>> the name FlexJS.
>> 
>> 
>> Regarding targeting something other than Javascript -- like SWF or AIR
>>-- I
>> realize the debug aspect benefits are important, but all this is going
>>to
>> do is confuse people.
>> 
>> I have read about HaXe a dozen times, and I never understand what it
>>does
>> because apparently it does too much.   A swiss army knife is a lot more
>> confusing to use then a fixed head screwdriver.
>> 
>> Please, we have spent SO much time trying to get to 1.0 -- lets get
>>FOCUSED
>> on delivering what everyone outside of the community of active
>>participants
>> here has been waiting on, which is a future direction for their Flex
>> efforts.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Justin Hill
>> 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FProminic.
>>NET=02%7C01%7C%7Ce3d4e33b77f840be8d2b08d4fbb5d605%7Cfa7b1b5a7b344387
>>94aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636410205784877857=cw5LAiH6bOvULqdsdx4NL
>>GWNUawI58dy%2F4fqTI5aCaM%3D=0 | Skype: JustinProminic
>> 
>> My Apache Flex community contribution is working on the open
>> source Moonshine-IDE.com for FlexJS.
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Harbs]

It’s great to have another perspective on this.

Some of these issues can be addressed by SEO.

It could be that we should be careful about changing names, and / or timing of 
changing names.

Alex does make a good point that the project name does not need to be the same 
as the product name. It might make sense to keep the product as FlexJS for now 
at least and just pick a different project name. The product name is easier to 
change than the project name and a project can have more than one product.

If I would pick a reference to a product which did a major rebranding to drop 
associations to old technology it would be Xojo. I’m not sure how many here are 
familiar with it, but it used to be call REALBasic. A few years back they 
rebranded as Xojo. I don’t think it made much of a difference to the folks 
using it. I have no idea if it helped them or not.

Harbs

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Justin M. Hill  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am not someone with an official vote, but I wanted to express my concern
> about ditching the FlexJS name.
> 
> The largest possible market for adoption of a new "javascript" solution is
> to go after those who have stuck with Flex.   There are FAR too many
> javascript solutions on the market right now.
> 
> If the vote is to change the name, this will:
> 
> -- confuse the people who have been patiently waiting for FlexJS to get to
> 1.0 so they can dive in.
> 
> -- get lost in the noise of all of the other far more well popularized
> javascript frameworks like Angular, React, etc.
> 
> -- lose the feeling, however small it may be, that those who came from the
> Flex background can expect to have some of their knowledge recycled.
> 
> 
> These are 3 critical aspects in terms of raising awareness and having a
> potentially devoted following of one technology (Flex) star to transition
> and champion to a new one (FlexJS).
> 
> If we lose that, then we effectively have to target against ALL javascript
> frameworks, most notably ones that are heavily entrenched already and
> supported by giant company resources like Google and Facebook.
> 
> 
> I am strongly opposed to a name change.  I think this would be a huge
> mistake.
> 
> On top of that, picking a new name and gaining awareness of it is HARD.
> 
> It should be reason enough for the Apache powers-that-be to approve a
> project change to avoid being stuck with a huge legacy Flex bugbase that
> Adobe donated, and instead start fresh with our 1.0 name.
> 
> If that cannot be achieved, then at a bare minimum we should seek to keep
> the name FlexJS.
> 
> 
> Regarding targeting something other than Javascript -- like SWF or AIR -- I
> realize the debug aspect benefits are important, but all this is going to
> do is confuse people.
> 
> I have read about HaXe a dozen times, and I never understand what it does
> because apparently it does too much.   A swiss army knife is a lot more
> confusing to use then a fixed head screwdriver.
> 
> Please, we have spent SO much time trying to get to 1.0 -- lets get FOCUSED
> on delivering what everyone outside of the community of active participants
> here has been waiting on, which is a future direction for their Flex
> efforts.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Justin Hill
> http://Prominic.NET | Skype: JustinProminic
> 
> My Apache Flex community contribution is working on the open
> source Moonshine-IDE.com for FlexJS.

Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork

[Alex Harui]

Hi Justin,

Great to hear from you on this.  Do you think it would be a problem if the
project name != product name?  That we call the project Royale for example
and ship a product called FlexJS?

Thanks,
-Alex

On 9/14/17, 1:07 PM, "Justin M. Hill"  wrote:

>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I am not someone with an official vote, but I wanted to express my concern
>about ditching the FlexJS name.
>
>The largest possible market for adoption of a new "javascript" solution is
>to go after those who have stuck with Flex.   There are FAR too many
>javascript solutions on the market right now.
>
>If the vote is to change the name, this will:
>
>-- confuse the people who have been patiently waiting for FlexJS to get to
>1.0 so they can dive in.
>
>-- get lost in the noise of all of the other far more well popularized
>javascript frameworks like Angular, React, etc.
>
>-- lose the feeling, however small it may be, that those who came from the
>Flex background can expect to have some of their knowledge recycled.
>
>
>These are 3 critical aspects in terms of raising awareness and having a
>potentially devoted following of one technology (Flex) star to transition
>and champion to a new one (FlexJS).
>
>If we lose that, then we effectively have to target against ALL javascript
>frameworks, most notably ones that are heavily entrenched already and
>supported by giant company resources like Google and Facebook.
>
>
>I am strongly opposed to a name change.  I think this would be a huge
>mistake.
>
>On top of that, picking a new name and gaining awareness of it is HARD.
>
>It should be reason enough for the Apache powers-that-be to approve a
>project change to avoid being stuck with a huge legacy Flex bugbase that
>Adobe donated, and instead start fresh with our 1.0 name.
>
>If that cannot be achieved, then at a bare minimum we should seek to keep
>the name FlexJS.
>
>
>Regarding targeting something other than Javascript -- like SWF or AIR --
>I
>realize the debug aspect benefits are important, but all this is going to
>do is confuse people.
>
>I have read about HaXe a dozen times, and I never understand what it does
>because apparently it does too much.   A swiss army knife is a lot more
>confusing to use then a fixed head screwdriver.
>
>Please, we have spent SO much time trying to get to 1.0 -- lets get
>FOCUSED
>on delivering what everyone outside of the community of active
>participants
>here has been waiting on, which is a future direction for their Flex
>efforts.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Justin Hill
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>
>My Apache Flex community contribution is working on the open
>source Moonshine-IDE.com for FlexJS.