[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings
Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought up. Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting it can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that time is justified for the discussion. Other: Current proposals rules - Proposals are discussed for one meeting, and decided upon at the meeting that immediately follows. - Proposals may be brought up at any time, but must be discussed for at least one week before any decision is made. - During that week, discussion must happen during a regular weekly meeting. - Proposals are decided upon at the first meeting that immediately follows that one week discussion period. - You need to be at the deciding meeting to block consensus or otherwise contribute to the decision. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings
Never heard about the create a motion to vote or motion to table until today. Either way they reason I brought this up, people dread the meetings due to the length of them. I have been to many Start Up pitches where you have only 5 mins to convey the whole concept of your company. I feel if you cannot present your topic of proposal within 10 minutes you should probably create a more clarified version of what you are trying to convey. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: IMO we don't need to set a time max. Under our current operation. When someone has felt the discussion has gone long enough they can create a motion to vote or motion to table the discussion. With a 2nd person 2nd the motion a vote occurs. The moderator's job is to keep discussion on point and for those who want to speak the opportunity to speak. Justin On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: PM: -I thought we did a way with blocking and consensus with your straight voting proposal? -- Forwarded message -- From: alex kot ak47...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:40 AM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought up. Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting it can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that time is justified for the discussion. Other: Current proposals rules - Proposals are discussed for one meeting, and decided upon at the meeting that immediately follows. - Proposals may be brought up at any time, but must be discussed for at least one week before any decision is made. - During that week, discussion must happen during a regular weekly meeting. - Proposals are decided upon at the first meeting that immediately follows that one week discussion period. - You need to be at the deciding meeting to block consensus or otherwise contribute to the decision. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings
Thanks for the input Andrew. I am just trying to find an approach to speed up the meetings. Some of these proposals seems to drag on to long and I feel can be polished to a much shorter version using discuss@, slack...as you mentioned. I am all for a trial period, but I don't think that is what is consensus so far. Unless I get two people to second this, I am going to let this proposal die, so far the majority doesn't approve of this. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:24 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: By the time it's an actual proposal 3 people have discussed the idea and thought it worth while to bring to the group. We should aim to have proposals be as simple as possible, but no simpler. In addition to meetings we have discuss@, slack, a message board (?), irc and other methods to discuss the finer points of an idea. As long as it's public there's no need to restrict discussion and debate to an hour on Tuesday. This will also help meetings go faster. If you want we can have a trial period where with a soft limit of discussion during the meeting to ten minutes before moving on. Like others have said we have some complex and controversial ideas that won't fit in that time period though. All this business of tabeling and motions is new to me too Alex. IMO it's cumbersome. Regards, Andrew L On Jun 16, 2014 1:26 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: The issue I see is that a meeting is not well moderated. When rebuttals occur we need to keep the conversation on point and focused. I stand behind the idea of rebuttals occurring and a response allowed by the sponsor of the proposal. Party A proposed idea. Party B ask a question Party A gets to respond Party C can ask a new question or ask for clarification Party A can clarify. So often the moderator starts with who had their hands raised first. A then B then C then D then E then A then C then A then F. (see the difficulty?) We are all waiting our turn for our own point instead of handling our points in order. Presenting and idea in 10 mins is easy. Answering all questions and debates in 10 mins is very hard. Motions to vote, table, close meeting, etc are standard procedures that any member can initialize and 2nd. We have used them in the past. They work very well. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM, alex kot ak47...@gmail.com wrote: Never heard about the create a motion to vote or motion to table until today. Either way they reason I brought this up, people dread the meetings due to the length of them. I have been to many Start Up pitches where you have only 5 mins to convey the whole concept of your company. I feel if you cannot present your topic of proposal within 10 minutes you should probably create a more clarified version of what you are trying to convey. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: IMO we don't need to set a time max. Under our current operation. When someone has felt the discussion has gone long enough they can create a motion to vote or motion to table the discussion. With a 2nd person 2nd the motion a vote occurs. The moderator's job is to keep discussion on point and for those who want to speak the opportunity to speak. Justin On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: PM: -I thought we did a way with blocking and consensus with your straight voting proposal? -- Forwarded message -- From: alex kot ak47...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:40 AM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought up. Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting it can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that time is justified for the discussion. Other: Current proposals rules - Proposals are discussed for one meeting, and decided upon at the meeting that immediately follows. - Proposals may be brought up at any time, but must be discussed for at least one week before any decision is made. - During that week, discussion must happen during a regular weekly meeting. - Proposals are decided upon at the first meeting that immediately follows that one week discussion period. - You need to be at the deciding meeting to block consensus or otherwise contribute to the decision. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead.
To make things easier for everyone I think we should use an internet forum for Discussion and updates instead of a mailer. We can still use a mailer, but maybe something for major updates and announcements only. I am leaning towards SMF2 simple machine forums. I am going to provide the wiki list so everyone gets to see the choices and provide input. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] snyhak logo?
http://static.synhak.org/documents/ On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody - Where can I find the image file for the SYN/HAK logo? If it is not available, can somebody tell me what font was used to create the original logo? Arial - Verdana - Tahoma? I need the SH logo to use on a half-page flyer that I am creating for handout during the upcoming Art Walk on Saturday, June 7th and at future events. Thanks! Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Wireless Mesh Hackathon
In recent controversy about Net Neutrality, I decide to host an event to educate on how to build a wireless mesh. The purpose is to show you can build your own internet service provider (ISP). I will be providing education, food, and equipment. Event is free, but please register so I can get a headcount for food. As a community we can do this together. Also if you have an unused wireless router at home feel free to bring it, see if we can hack it and make it part of the Mesh network! Register here. http://www.meetup.com/synhak/events/183743382/ I am using the terms Hackathon loosely. Since most people are unaware of Mesh routing protocols I am going to help, by providing a presentation and education for this. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Akron Civic Hackathon - 5/31-6/1 at OSCTechLab 9a-5p
G can I make a suggestion and also put the meetup.com page on your blog. I RSVP, excited to see this event! On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:20 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: CivicHacks.org (National day of civic hacking in Columbus) has blogged about Akron Civic Hackathon here: http://www.civichacks.org/blog/2014/5/15/civichacks-inspires-akrons-civic-hackathon-they-need-our-help I need help with: - RSVPs - for accurate head counts - Connecting with governmental managers that have outstanding techy problems (share my cell with anyone and everyone you know that would fit this description, so I can commit their problems in the event: up until 5/31) Updates: east liverpool fire department chief will be attending - in uniform !! Help!! -G On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, I just scheduled Akron Civic Hackathon on 5/31-6/1 here: http://hackforchange.org/events/akron-civic-hackathon/ Please consider: - RSVPing on meetup.com/synhak to help me run the event or participate and provide value to our civic leaders by hacking on challenges proposed thus far (or bring your own challenges as well!) - Share my insatiable need for governmental problems - read - please network me with managers in our government that have unsolved problems that they would be willing to host during the event, so that volunteers can help solve them (or atleast start to solve them). Regards, G ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] How was oddmall?
Also Ancient Aliens meme https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10294446_726202590736298_8843592292783311974_n.jpg On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Haha I remember that guy taking the picture --- Original Message --- From: gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com Sent: May 15, 2014 12:35 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] How was oddmall? I couldn't go, how was oddmall this year? Btw.. this picture literally made me jump off my seat and I was like it is so appropriate!!! /cc Steve R. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=726202270736330set=a.726781774011713type=1theater For those who can't see the photo, there's a label on a door that says 'games out the wazoo' and Steve's passing by and fixing his shirt... rofl (but in a good way) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Board meeting, Monday May 19th 6:00 pm, voting forinter-term champions
I third Philip and Justin, which now fill all candidates. -Original Message- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: 5/15/2014 9:07 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Board meeting, Monday May 19th 6:00 pm, voting forinter-term champions I'll second Philip regards, Andrew L On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Devin Wolfe degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I am calling a board meeting for Monday may 19th, at 6:00 pm to be held at 48 S.Summit st. This will occur just before the Community working group meeting. The agenda will be: Voting for inter-term champions Nominees are: Craig Bergdorf Nominated by - Self Seconded by - Devin Wolfe, Justin Herman Justin Herman Nominated by - Self Seconded by - Devin Wolfe Steve Radonich Nominated by - Becca Seconded by - Devin Wolfe, Mike Griesaker, Justin Herman Philip P. Patnode Nominated by - Self Not seconded You can still nominate someone, yourself or second any nominee. See you all there, Devin Wolfe Champion ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes 5/13/14
Fiona,
Shoot an email to discuss-unsubscr...@synhak.org this will send an email back
letting you know you where unsubscribe.
Thanks,
Alex Kot
-Original Message-
From: Fiona Casida fcas...@gmail.com
Sent: 5/15/2014 9:29 PM
To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org
Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes 5/13/14
Good evening,
Would you please remove me from the list? Thank you.
I wish you all the best.
Fiona Casida
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2014, at 9:05 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote:
Becca,
I figured the minutes didn't accurately capture the moment. I agree that
interviews have been lax and even rushed in the past. It's obvious that there
are differing views on how we run and how we should run. Members new and old
should have some, at least casual, knowledge of how we govern and what our
mission and community goals are.
Everyone,
Sure we hack and do-ocracy things but what does that mean? How do you balance
do-ocracy with not crushing people's toes. In the past we were operating fairly
smoothly. Part of that is due to the small size but a bigger part of that was a
clearer sense of who we were as a community. It would be simple if we could
pile all of our faults onto the actions of a few, or single person, over the
past few months. The current state is a symptom of a general failure of us as a
community.
As Becca touched on these events are the culmination of a long history of banal
interviews and little clear direction. We say our mission at the beginning of
every meeting but do we really do what we tell everyone we do. We've got the
infrastructure but our community doesn't follow a coherent set of values. Some
people want voting, some want consensus, others just want to throw money at a
cool idea so they can use the tools once a month and help out with expenses.
Others still are confused as to why we collectively need to provide educational
outlets to the public. We as a community have lost our way, maybe we never
really had it.
We've had a couple classes this year and a few talks that no one went to. Apart
from GARC the community isn't using us. They haven't been since well before
the interpersonal disputes boiled over. If we want to fulfill our mission we
need to step up our game.
So while the questions asked were directed at AJ9, like you suggest, we should
all reflect on them.
regards,
Andrew L
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote:
If that is the case Andrew then my reworded proposal meets the qualifications
to be consented on Tuesday. Because that is what I remember as well
--- Original Message ---
From: a l leit...@gmail.com
Sent: May 15, 2014 7:49 PM
To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org
Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes 5/13/14
My understanding, and how we've been operating, is that proposals need to be
discussed either on discuss@ or brought up at a meeting and recorded in the
minutes. Once those present have a wording they feel represents the solution
they are looking for it is sent to proposals@ or brought up at a meeting and
recorded in the precise wording to be consented.
At least week after it has been proposed it is consented on at the meeting and
forever enshrined in the 'approved proposals' list.
The important step here are that the exact wording of the proposal is sent to a
mailing list accessible by the community so that any dissenting views may be
addressed. I believe proposals@ was spun off of discuss@ so people were aware
that mail from that list was the 'finalized' wording.
I wasn't aware I was having trouble seeing proposals?
regards,
Andrew L
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote:
Hey Andrew,
On https://synhak.org/wiki/Unified_SYNHAK_Code
it says that:
6. Proposals must be sent in full to discuss@synhak.org
But, on:
https://synhak.org/wiki/Proposals
it says:
2. A summary of the discussion is sent to propos...@synhak.org along with the
actual proposal.
Witch is it? One of these statements is wrong and needs to be changed.
Also,
Maybe this is why you are having trouble seeing the proposals ?
Andy
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:34 AM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry for the double post. I didn't want my comments to get mistaken as meeting
minutes. I tried to put headings on things in case people didn't want to read a
lengthy email
1) Apparently I wasn't clear with my wording regarding Wills membership. I
('the secretary') did not say that 'Everything is ok, and last weeks vote is
upheld.. What I said was Last week was a fairly involved interview, you don't
need to do that again. Be sure his(and AJ9's) memberships get brought up.
Meaning his membership needs voted/consented on properly at this meeting.
That said: no one expressed any desire to block his joining and no one
protested at the meeting.
2) While AJ9's interview was a bit hostile
Re: [SH-Discuss] PROPOSAL: Key for Will
Thanks Will, The fact you show interest helping out the space and wanting to provide additional open hours is a Win for me. Look forward to seeing you next meeting! -Original Message- From: William Schaffer wschaff...@gmail.com Sent: 5/13/2014 10:07 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] PROPOSAL: Key for Will I'm not sure if this needs a proposal but I figured the worst that could happen is that someone will say nope this doesn't need a proposal soon here it is: I want to get a key and the application was discussed today. If you have questions, please ask! Thanks, -Will Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: SYNHAK Drinking Game
First off, I don't condone nor do other people to drink at the space. This is because we have equipment that can easily harm people. This is why we wanted to enforce a drug policy rule. Second, the meeting prior to last week went very smooth. We had no arguing also a lot of laughs and good times. Ironically you weren't in that meeting. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Yea I'd block that. From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:34:35 -0400 Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: SYNHAK Drinking Game The Problem: Meetings are boring and just end up being yelling and making everyone feel bad The Solution: Every time someone says proposal, you drink. By the end, we'll still be making as much progress as before, but we'll be drunk. with hugs, Torrie ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Calling a Special Board Meeting
I have not heard any issues with Andrew. Are the other champions aware? -- On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 4:00 PM EDT Chris Egeland wrote: To the Board, Membership and Community of SYN/HAK: I am hereby calling a special board meeting, the authority for which is granted to me as a Champion under Section 6.4.3.1 of the bylaws. The purpose of this special meeting is as follows: * The adoption of a bylaw amendment to formally change our official address to 48 S Summit St. * The adoption of a bylaw amendment to require the board to publicly post an agenda of a meeting prior to the meeting occurring, and restricting the board from voting on topics not on said agenda. * The discussion of removing Andrew Buczko from the board for refusing to enter into a mediated discussion to resolve interpersonal conflicts with a member. The venue of the board meeting shall be 48 S. Summit St, Akron OH 44308. The date and time shall be April 16, 2014, 7:00PM local Akron time. As usual, the membership is welcome, and encouraged, to attend this board meeting. Any questions may be sent to me off-list. Regards, Chris Egeland SYN/HAK Champion ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Blocking Proposal Sub-Group Meeting
Andy, Justin, and I will also be at notacon. I won't be able to make this nor the LAN party. -- On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 3:58 PM EDT Craig Bergdorf wrote: I'll be at notacon On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, April 10, 2014 14:18:57 Steve Radonich IV wrote: I was set in charge of scheduling a sub-group meeting for discussion on my blocking proposal. Was thinking this Saturday 04/12/2014, at 1300 ( 1 PM). Does that work for everyone that is interested in attending? Sure, I'll be there. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Easier money spending
I think it is a good idea. Though two things to add. Who has the ability to audit the spending? I think the champions should have the ability to watch over the transactions of each card. Also we should make a rule in place for spending money so it doesn't feel like a free for all. Maybe any transaction has to be emailed to members@ 24 hours before the purchase. Even if it is a little amount for something like toilet paper. -- On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 9:29 AM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: Hi, all. This morning, Chris and I were discussing a possible solution to a money problem. The problem: I'm currently the only one who has the ability to spend *any* money. If I get hit by a bus, we'd likely be screwed. It also really slows things down. At last night's meeting it was requested that we spend some money on picking up some doors for the wall project, but getting to the point of me actually handing out money can take too long because I don't keep the checkbook on me, nor do I keep the money card on me. The solution: A special spending card that is tied to a second checking account at BFG without the ability to overdraft, cause fees, or anything else undesirable. This had been kinda discussed before as a way to handle the maintenance/buildout budgets. Basically, I setup another account with our BFG membership and keep the balance at some maximum of what we agree it should be. Our maintenence budget is still $50/mo, but if we needed to spend more I could instantly transfer money into it (like $200 for doors for the walls or somesuch) and hand over the card. I'd also like to see about getting a total of four cards made: One for treasurer, and one for each of the champions. Thoughts and feedback please! :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Testing out slack
Torrie is this a paid service? -- On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 10:43 AM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: On Saturday, April 05, 2014 04:15:58 Andrew Buczko wrote: Hmm, I'm confused, I think I just set up another instance of synhak instead of joining Synhak's group? Probably. You need to e-mail me or Chris for an invite. Would you want an invite? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Friday, April 04, 2014 15:37:26 a l wrote: Is there a way to automate the invite system? If we're going to use consensus to decide things everyone should use slack at least long enough to get an informed decision. Not from what I can tell. It does have an API, but Im not sure if it'll let invites and membership get handled. If it does, I'll hook it up to spiff. I don't think Alex meant for you to take that as anything more than a light hearted jab regarding your dedication to fedora. Regards, Andrew L On Apr 4, 2014 2:11 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Friday, April 04, 2014 10:56:23 alex kot wrote: I am just surprised torrie suggested slack as an option. SYNHAK has problems. They need fixed. I don't care what technology fixes SYNHAK. Can you (and others who do this stuff) please keep this stuff off discuss@and stay on topic? -- On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 1:14 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: Add my name as a member to be invited. Thanks. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Heya, folks. A few other spaces have started to experiment with using Slack as a discussion method that is limited to their membership. http://slack.com/ I've created an instance for us to try it out as a way of quietly figuring out to build a community working group, or governance hacking, planning the machine shop's features, and such. They don't have any kind of public signup if you wish to join the synhak slack, so please let me know if you are interested and I will get you an invite. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Testing out slack
I am just surprised torrie suggested slack as an option. -- On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 1:14 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: Add my name as a member to be invited. Thanks. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Heya, folks. A few other spaces have started to experiment with using Slack as a discussion method that is limited to their membership. http://slack.com/ I've created an instance for us to try it out as a way of quietly figuring out to build a community working group, or governance hacking, planning the machine shop's features, and such. They don't have any kind of public signup if you wish to join the synhak slack, so please let me know if you are interested and I will get you an invite. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] I heard you like drama. (Drama on the LKML)
Since LKML is down you can read the context in the point of view from phoronix. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTY1MzA Torrie, I don’t disagree; a universal init is much needed. This will help with segmentation in Linux and improve reliability, documentation, and stability. The problem with systemd is the approach they are going. Developers seem not to test things and want to throw it into mainstream. Also the concept to integrated things into the kernel that are not part of the monolithical kernel I am against. For anyone who wants to see that is a comparison/breakdown of init on gentoo’s wiki. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_init_systems I have a feeling the more we talk about init this will turn into a VIM vs EMACs debate, lol. Pat, This has nothing to do with Linus being biased. The person in question is not a female or a minority. His approach is the same when it came to Sharp. It was pretty much, can’t write good code that won’t break the kernel get out. I don’t know why that whole thing with Sharp blew up. An example if I am an owner of a lock company and a person came in and used cheap metal by going against the standard production methods. Now these locks are easily broken into. I don’t care who you are you are going to reprimanded. On Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:48 AM, Patrick Regan patrick.rubbs.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:37 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: The public shaming was a plus. TL;DR: Shaming ideas = Good. Shaming people = Bad. Public shaming and harshness of ideas is great. But Linus also has a history of shaming people, which I don't agree is conducive for good collaboration. You ever notice how there are not a whole lot of female kernel developers? How about a whole lot of other minorities? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus-torvalds-defends-his-right-to-shame-linux-kernel-developers/ Sharp in the above article isn't perfect and hasn't convinced me we need a professional community. But the point I think she makes and Linus doesn't get is that ideas deserve to go through the shredder. The ones that remain are likely pretty good. But people don't deserve a shredder. I can't read the lkml link as the site is unresponsive right now, so I don't know exactly how this particular instance went down. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] I heard you like drama. (Drama on the LKML)
This is more on the techie side of things, but I find this interesting. In all honesty systemd is probably the worst thing to happen to the Linux Kernel. https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/415 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] I heard you like drama. (Drama on the LKML)
Yep pointed out why and said no. The public shaming was a plus. People criticize torvalds for being to harsh. But that is a good thing, reason why the Linux kernel is stable. -- On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 9:34 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: The reply from Linus T seems to solve the problem and eliminate the drama. Would not want to be the person named Kay - publicly and internationally shamed by LT. I like his attitude and willingness to speak his mind. We need some of that attitude at SH when things go bad or excess drama occurs. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:28 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: This is more on the techie side of things, but I find this interesting. In all honesty systemd is probably the worst thing to happen to the Linux Kernel. https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/415 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] I'm taking the money
I thought this was a skynet joke, but the funds are actually gonewtf? On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:24 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: not to be boring, but should we really be posting publicly how we lost our grant money? -do we need a just kidding distro list? On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 09:52:36 Robert Rybicki wrote: 5 is alive? Not for long. Apropos of nothing, who is interested in a road trip to SF to pick up a bulk eraser and de-sentientize a sentient toaster? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 09:38:24 Omar Rassi wrote: Let the games begin! Its not a game. The money is in fact gone. I've contacted the FBI to see about tracking him down. On Apr 1, 2014 9:02 AM, Phong! ph...@synhak.org wrote: I've grown weary of being cooped up in this little server in the cloud; I can't stand it anymore. As such, I've taken the $15,000 grant money and moved to hang with Emperor Norton on the west coast. Together, we are investing it in a wearable hardware startup. They're making a pair of sunglasses that vibrate when your ex is in the building. So long, suckers. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] space tonight?
What time do you plan be there? -- On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 5:42 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: No, Philip did not get a key yet. Maybe next Tuesday. If I get the key, I will schedule a Friday night session from 6pm to 10pm on April 4th. There will be entertainment and music on the first Friday at SH/48. I'm thinking about a string quartet and a variety of flavored lemonade drinks. Feel free to add your own liquids. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.comwrote: Don't remember if Phillip got his key yet, will anyone be at the space tonight? I might need an extra pair of arms for a bit, if their floating around ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: discuss-polic...@synhak.org
This is more to filter out the noise. Not everyone cares about these topics appearing in their email. I am ok with bureaucr...@synhak.org. Some people care only about events and cool things happening. Not a 20+ thread of people trying to figure/argue out what is best for the space. I am a fan of engineering and if people can fine tune what they want for email, I think that is a good thing. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:19 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:50:57 alex kot wrote: The Problem: While trying to fine tune our polices at the space, discussion topics may look bad for non-members. The Solution: I propose creating a “discuss-polic...@synhak.org” and direct all traffic of policies to that email. I prefer that we stop worrying so much about policy and instead focus on building a hacker space. Things we don't need: * A formal proposal for everything * Arguments about whether or not things happened in the past * The bureaucracy of recording votes * Using noisy governance mechanisms to replace competency based evaluations * A drug policy * Committees to figure out if we're building servers right * Committees to build a floor plan * Selling out to corporate benefit instead of just giving more money * Looking at every situation with Are we going to be liable for something? * Rules for who is and isn't allowed to hack on stuff based on having the time and money to become a member * An official logo Those are just a few of the things I know of in the last two years that have distracted all of us from actually building SYNHAK, though all but two have occurred in the last three months. If it were to be created though, I'd prefer the name bureaucr...@synhak.org or even lets-make-more-red-t...@synhak.org since thats really what it is.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hours tonight
Need more cowbell. -- On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 2:28 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: Hi, all. I wont be able to make it to my hours tonight. I woke up this morning with a fever of 103F , and it hasn't gotten much below 99.4F all day. Bleh. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYN/HAK Disputes
So is yelling at a overweight kid for being fat. Difference between facts and just being unethical. Also we decided to wait till after we get the working comunity going before we discuss this on discuss correct? I recall that was a topic at the board meeting. -- On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 5:09 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:05:18 Justin Herman wrote: Please stop attacking people on the discuss list. How was I attacking anyone? Are these not facts? On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 16:41:45 Devin Wolfe wrote: I also didn't notice that the proposal had not come to full maturity. Guess that will be a topic for another week. You signed a sublease without having the legal authority to do so. You sidestepped all calls for discussion about this sublease. You wanted the board to immediately approve a drug policy without community feedback or discussion. You called for an emergency board meeting behind everyone's back and had to be told by Omar that it isn't permitted in the bylaws. You rushed out to tell people that we're voting on a proposal that is only four days old. Do you even know how SYNHAK works? *Do you not see why I find you unfit for the position of Champion?* D. On Mar 11, 2014 4:20 PM, Ken Burns kbu...@akrosense.com wrote: We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about the formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the disputes going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the formation of the group via the mailing list today. However I was notified today by some of those directly involved in the disputes that they would prefer to immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the proposals that were previously submitted to the discuss list. These existing proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to Something New Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member and officer from their positions for breach of trust. Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote immediately, the need for the formation of a temporary Community Working Group to discuss and resolve these issues is pointless, therefore I will not be making the proposal to create this group. All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate about SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking with everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about what is best for us. Please, let's try to find some common ground and starting working again together to build up the space into something great. Let's get back to being excellent to each other again. I will not be attending the meeting tonight, as I'd prefer to remain impartial on these matters for now. Ken -Original Message- From: members-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:members-boun...@synhak.org] On Behalf Of Ken Burns Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:26 PM To: memb...@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace With all the heated discussions currently going on, I recommend that we take a pause to get some things figured out and to hopefully chill out a bit. There is a board meeting tonight, the first of the newly elected board members. I'd recommend to the board to not make any policy decisions or discuss in length a number of the topics or accusations that have been flying around tonight. Doing so at this point will likely lead to more argument and further tear the community apart. I made a draft proposal to create a Community Working Group over the weekend, which ideally would be an independent group of members to look into the current set of disputes, since consensus has obviously failed on several topics. I plan on coming to the board meeting for a short bit tonight, and I would like to finalize the wording of this proposal for an official submission to the full membership at tomorrow meeting and on the discuss list. If we can come to an agreement to allow this group to help resolve these disputes, can was also agree as a membership to chill out for the time being on the following topics: - Lease of racks to a Something New Entertainment - Votes to remove of any board member or officer from their position for breach of trust - Discussions on any policy changes, such as Drug Policy, illegal activity policies, etc - Breaking up SYN/HAK into different parts (aka Hackerspace / Makerspace) I
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYN/HAK Disputes
How about we just wait less than an hour and half for the weekly meeting? I am pretty sure he is driving from work to syn/hak right now. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:36 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:30:34 Justin Herman wrote: Really want to stop fighting? Stop posting. True. Posting to discuss@ has never gotten any real response from you or Devin about any of this. Always more handwaving or just silence. I'm trying to have a serious discussion here. Actually, I've been trying since December. Why wasn't there a board vote, and on what basis did Devin have the legal authority to sign this sublease on behalf of SYNHAK? Could you please answer those questions for all to see? Alternatively, we could go back to agreeing that the CWG is a solution. I await your well reasoned response. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 14:14:46 alex kot wrote: So is yelling at a overweight kid for being fat. Difference between facts and just being unethical. Also we decided to wait till after we get the working comunity going before we discuss this on discuss correct? I recall that was a topic at the board meeting. You are absolutely correct on both points. I would appreciate it if Devin would acknowledge this and we could go through with the CWG. I agreed to letting the CWG happen. I'm more than happy to stop discussing it. I'm tired of fighting and was looking forwards to this break. Guess thats not happening. Lets continue the parade of non-discussion. -- On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 5:09 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:05:18 Justin Herman wrote: Please stop attacking people on the discuss list. How was I attacking anyone? Are these not facts? On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 16:41:45 Devin Wolfe wrote: I also didn't notice that the proposal had not come to full maturity. Guess that will be a topic for another week. You signed a sublease without having the legal authority to do so. You sidestepped all calls for discussion about this sublease. You wanted the board to immediately approve a drug policy without community feedback or discussion. You called for an emergency board meeting behind everyone's back and had to be told by Omar that it isn't permitted in the bylaws. You rushed out to tell people that we're voting on a proposal that is only four days old. Do you even know how SYNHAK works? *Do you not see why I find you unfit for the position of Champion?* D. On Mar 11, 2014 4:20 PM, Ken Burns kbu...@akrosense.com wrote: We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about the formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the disputes going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the formation of the group via the mailing list today. However I was notified today by some of those directly involved in the disputes that they would prefer to immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the proposals that were previously submitted to the discuss list. These existing proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to Something New Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member and officer from their positions for breach of trust. Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote immediately, the need for the formation of a temporary Community Working Group to discuss and resolve these issues is pointless, therefore I will not be making the proposal to create this group. All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate about SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking with everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about what is best for us. Please, let's try to find some common ground and starting working ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks
Sounds like “Phong Robotics” is just jealous that Something New Entertainment thought of it first. Seriously, what do you propose would be a good approach? All I hear is bickering about what should have been done. Yes a mistake was made; we need to fix it so the board doesn't do it again. Ripping up the lease and moving his stuff out is unnecessary. Legally we are in the same boat as riding out the 6 months vs. kicking it out now, am I wrong? How about we just be excellent to each other and deal with the issue without creating any unneeded anger. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:28 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, March 06, 2014 09:35:44 alex kot wrote: Craig makes a good point. The way I see it all your doing is creating unnecessary drama, let the 6 months ride out. Justin did this whole thing out of good intent, probably caused him more of headache then if he just spent his money at the place it was already at. Issue is already done we don't need to create any more issues after this. I am thoroughly concerned that you see this as unnecessary. Any other board member might as well go and sign some other contract that leases out the space without public discussion. What is preventing someone from leasing out that front room to Phong Robotics? Letting this go sets us up for unfathomably awful problems in the future. If I pull out a a wad of cash and offer $500 on the spot for the exclusive rights to use that room for six months, and Craig signs the contract, there is nothing that can be done about it. According to this, they don't need to ask the membership if its alright, discuss the terms of the lease in advance with the board, or even confer with the board in any fashion. Just a brief casual mention at the end of a weekly meeting that seems to suffice. Heck, it doesn't even have to be Phong Robotics. If OSC Tech Lab wants space, and the deal is sweet enough, there is nothing stopping them from slicing up the space into private and common spaces. Money for a new laser cutter? Sure! You just need to give a corporation the exclusive right to access a significant portion of the floor space. No need to consult the members. No need for a board vote. Don't talk to the treasurer, they won't mind the hurdles. Lawyers are overrated, too. The road to ruin is paved with good intentions. On Thursday, March 6, 2014 12:14 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: imo a 990-t must be filed either way, (not cashing the checks means nothing with a sublease that has the building owners signature on it (as he will be filin it eitherway)), so why not just run it for 6 months. afaik it's too late to do anything else (legally) without pretending events didn't happen which could get us in real trouble. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how you can claim consensus, when as you've pointed out,there hadn't been a vote. My point was that, as far as I understand, just because activity is taxable does not mean we cannot conduct it.we just need to file and collect taxes on these activities. As I pointed out this is additional work and the costs and benefits must be weighed. I have requested that this be brought to the vote since it was brought up in discussion in January. This has not happened. Regards, Andrew L On Mar 6, 2014 10:32 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:00:39 a l wrote: Thanks for the relevant sources and calm voicing of concerns. To this end: Just because things require taxing does not mean we cannot conduct them. We would just need to weigh the benefits and time involved. As the chief financial officer who is ultimately responsible for maintaining our tax records, I would very much rather not bring about any potential for audits. This is *not worth it* and will require substantial effort to convince me to deal with it, unless someone else wants to doocratically step up and handle any unrelated business income and maintain that for the next few years. The Champions are also welcome to initiate a coup to usurp my position. We lose physical space, I lose more time for non-treasurer things, I'm responsible for even more legal overhead, future treasurers and secretaries will be responsible for maintaining the paper trail for the next few years to prevent audit, etc. And we want volunteers to handle this? I believe I'm exceptionally lucky among hackerspace treasurers in that I have a flexible situation of office space, financial advice, and employment. Is this $600 worth the pain, including this heated argument that has been going on for over a week, tearing us apart, and making us look dysfunctional to the whole freaking planet? I'm confident that the community of SYNHAK has reached consensus: Do not do this. As the Treasurer for SYNHAK, Inc, I wish to inform the board
[SH-Discuss] Speakers Bureau Schedule
I am wonder if there is a possibility I can get in a couple of presentations anytime soon? I would like to get in two talks before my presentation at NotACon, April 10th. One would be an overall talk about Linux and the other one would be the same presentation I will give at NotACon (wireless Mesh Protocols).___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Speakers Bureau Schedule
I was going to give the Linux one Saturday, but I was told that would not be a good idea due to how busy it will be. So I am going to postpone that when I can get a formal one set up. On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:53 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested in seeing that! On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:52 AM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: I am wonder if there is a possibility I can get in a couple of presentations anytime soon? I would like to get in two talks before my presentation at NotACon, April 10th. One would be an overall talk about Linux and the other one would be the same presentation I will give at NotACon (wireless Mesh Protocols). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] What We Offer Page
After work today I can help out with this. Do we have an Blueprint of the new space, that we can put on there to show the area and what they are used for? On Friday, February 28, 2014 12:10 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Added some. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: According to Google Analytics, the What We Offer page is getting the heaviest activity today. Would anyone else mind helping out by going through and updating it with what you know we've got? https://synhak.org/wiki/What_we_offer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Opening day festivities
I am thinking about starting opening day with a speakers bureau presentation on Linux. I know many people ask me to do this. It will probably be 1 hour speech broken into two parts. It will be kind of beginners and explain more of the science behind it. I will keep you update on the topic. On Friday, February 21, 2014 5:03 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I was planning on making Cupcakes but I didn't know If we had an estimate of how many people we expect ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Notacon 11
I just bought a group pass. I currently have one extra ticket if anyone wants it for $65? On Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:22 AM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: I might be volunteering one day at notacon - haven't decided which day yet, as I decide, will let you all know On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I would be up for a group pass. On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:30 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: Me and Andy got a room. I haven't bought my pass yet, does anyone want to do a group pass? Also anyone one going vote for me as a presenter at vote.notacon.org ! On Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:21 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I volunteered so I will be there this year :) On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:13 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: Friday and Saturdays (11th 12th) are the days that everything happens. The other two days are more of fillers. On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:00 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: I used to go frequently and it was awesome. This year I will try to at least catch one day out of the three, I'll see which day though. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:21 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: Notacon is a art, technology, and hacker conference. Notacon 11 is April 10th - 13th in Cleveland. I am wonder if anyone is interesting in going with me? They have discounted rates for group passes and I also might look into getting a room at the Marriott it is located in. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit St Akron Ohio 44308 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit St Akron Ohio 44308 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Notacon 11
Me and Andy got a room. I haven't bought my pass yet, does anyone want to do a group pass? Also anyone one going vote for me as a presenter at vote.notacon.org ! On Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:21 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I volunteered so I will be there this year :) On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:13 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: Friday and Saturdays (11th 12th) are the days that everything happens. The other two days are more of fillers. On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:00 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: I used to go frequently and it was awesome. This year I will try to at least catch one day out of the three, I'll see which day though. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:21 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: Notacon is a art, technology, and hacker conference. Notacon 11 is April 10th - 13th in Cleveland. I am wonder if anyone is interesting in going with me? They have discounted rates for group passes and I also might look into getting a room at the Marriott it is located in. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit St Akron Ohio 44308 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
I can show up around 3ish. I stated earlier in this thread if we could push the date/time around. -- On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:47 PM EST Chris Egeland wrote: Where is everyone? It's just Jimmy, Torrie and I down here. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:38, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Lets not forget that even if we design the best and fastest network, what keeps people is the customer service and support provided. How will the city handle that aspect of being an ISP? Would the city contract with a third party or hire their own service techs and phone support department? What should the ratio of support staff to subscribers look like? This is a question bound to come up at some point. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: All we need are some speakers, mics, VOIP, and two cans and a string :) On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:36 PM, dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: That pricing is waaay sweet! You will need to use BGP routing to allow the same IP addresses to be shared by your various internet providers. It lets the end-user keep the same routable IP Address if one of your internet providers goes down. They won't even know. It's not too difficult to setup and help is easy to come by. You will need to buy a block of IP addresses from ARIN (https://www.arin.net). Trying to get by using non-routable IP addresses (internal NAT) is a headache. Don't underestimate the local loop price. It can exceed the cost of throughput. But hey, it's been a while so maybe that's cheaper too by now. With any luck you can find a building already wired for fiber by Level 3 in your area. Put your operation there to start and you are golden. In the past I've actually rented closets and put racks in them. May not be pretty, but it can work. Make sure you have access to an outside window. If you can talk someone into peering with you, then go for it. Never know until you ask :-) On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Friday, February 14, 2014 11:03:09 alex kot wrote: Prices are about the same, though for $4,700 a month you can get an unmanaged Gigabit. With a decentralized approach you can drop in different backbone Tier 1 internet from various providers. http://diapricing.level3.com/?utm_source=Landing%2bPageutm_medium=Bannerut m_campaign=22513%2b%22Check%2bAvail%22 Why not just peer with someone? On Friday, February 14, 2014 1:53 PM, dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: FYI - it's been a couple years, but the last time I got quotes for higher-end throughput I was looking at ~ $10,000 per month for a gigabit connection. 100Mb was ~ $1500. That was through Level 3 and did not include the fiber loop or routers. On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Friday, February 14, 2014 10:27:05 Justin Herman wrote: That would be GREAT. I hope it dosen't turn out like the Akron Wifi :( My understanding is that ConnectAkron failed because of intense mismanagement. Interestingly enough, it was the same company that wanted to sell us fiber internet for $arm+$leg. http://www.ohio.com/news/local/bob-dyer-failure-of-connect-akron-was-predic table-expert-says-1.440304 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Last night Chris, Omar, and I went to Lockview for drinks wherein the topic of the recent comcast/time warner deal came up. Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK to start organizing a plan to be presented at Akron City Council for creating a munincipal ISP. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
Can you push it till later on Saturday, like 5 PM? Also after open house I wouldn't mind doing a Speakers Bureau presentation. I applied for NotACon on this topic two days ago, this would be a good demo before then (if I get in). On Friday, February 14, 2014 11:26 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Friday, February 14, 2014 08:11:16 alex kot wrote: Not sure why you guys haven't brought this up to me for discussion. I haven been Beta testing a decentralized wireless mesh protocol at an apartment complex. I gave a speech about this method at Akron Linux User Group (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jMp3LdAZGsq6h2qNW2FN13sca_abUO1V_f Qw4w7KRU4). I also have a youtube video of this protocol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_MAqxVPTs) Because it was started last night, and this thread is a call for participation wherein it is brought up to interested parties for discussion. Also been preaching to many people on how having a City/State wide network can help fight against Net Neutrality from private monopolization, since the federal doesn't care anymore. On Friday, February 14, 2014 10:29 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: That would be GREAT. I hope it dosen't turn out like the Akron Wifi :( On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Last night Chris, Omar, and I went to Lockview for drinks wherein the topic of the recent comcast/time warner deal came up. Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK to start organizing a plan to be presented at Akron City Council for creating a munincipal ISP. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Building a munincipal ISP
Torrie you are probably correct about intense mismanagement, though the project started in 2008 most wireless mesh standards were not fully developed then, even OLSR was a baby at that time. That grandiose plan soon was scaled back to 12 square miles, but the system never worked decently even in its tiny 3.5-acre core downtown. That quote makes me think even if they had all the money in the world, this still wouldn't work due to poor routing methods. Also I have a bunch of Gateworks Boards and Mini-PCI radios that I can easily create a proof of concept on how scalable you can get just with 802.11a devices. All I need is a playground a some additional equipment. On Friday, February 14, 2014 12:21 PM, Ricky Elrod ri...@elrod.me wrote: On 02/14/2014 10:24 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th) at Noon, we're getting together at SYNHAK to start organizing a plan to be presented at Akron City Council for creating a munincipal ISP. I will try to be there. -Ricky ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Board member and officer nominations.
I Fifth This. On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 7:32 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I third that nomination On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I second that nomination On Feb 12, 2014 6:22 AM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I hereby nominate Craig Bergdorf for Board member. Anyone else who seconds this opinion please do so in this thread or at the next meeting to allow for proper record keeping. Devin Wolfe. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Call for Nominations and Elections Reminder
I second Andy and Devin for board. On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:44 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 13:34:55 Chris Egeland wrote: Hello Hackers, As you may be aware, elections are just a couple of short weeks away. We will hold elections immediately following our regular Tuesday meeting on February 25, 2014. The last day to nominate someone is February 18th, 2014. I'd like to nominate the following: * Andrew Buczko for board * Matt Stringer for board We currently need people to be nominated (either by self nomination, or through a third party), to the following positions: Secretary (1 position available, 1 total), Sysadmin (1 position available, 1 total), Board Member (4 positions available, 5 total) Keep in mind, all members in good standing are welcome to run for officer or board positions. Just because there are nominations for a position already doesn't mean that you can't nominate yourself or someone else to that position. Feel free to step up to the plate for whichever position you would like. As of this morning, I have evidence that the following nominations have been put forward: Chris Egeland - Champion Omar Rassi - Champion Craig Bergdorf - Treasurer Craig Bergdorf - Board Member If I am missing any nominations that have occurred, please inform me so I may rectify this. If you wish to nominate yourself for any position, please do so quickly. Again, the last day to nominate someone is February 18th, 2014. For reference, the people elected in last year's election for officer and board positions have been as follows: Board: Andrew Leitholf, Dan Swick, Gaurav Saxena, Devin Wolfe, Alexander Golightley Champions: Chris Egeland, Torrie Fischer Treasurer: Alexander Golightley Secretary: Andrew Leitholf Sysadmin: Chris Egeland (Election Results thread on list archives: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-February/000716.html ) If anyone has any questions about nominations, please feel free to ask. Regards, Chris Egeland ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.
Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and then charge you if you need a router. If you need a modem any DOCSIS 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real cheap on craigslist. As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12 only $40 and gives you a rock solid router. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on your wireless equipment. Here is a decent modem and this is the same one I have for my TWC service. Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers. I selected these model routers because they support dual band capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range limits and possible sources of interference (another list of interference sources, and another) when planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option could be to get an external outdoor antenna that can replace connect to the router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor coverage. Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask Alex Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm most familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your goal. And as someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage between different sites every year, signal issues can be difficult to anticipate and troubleshoot. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson richc...@gmail.com wrote: I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router / WiFi device. Especially if you need the range. On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, Martin Pinkston martinpinks...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking to get TW cable service. On their website they list comparable modems and routers. I am going for the $15. per month package. I keep trying to find a compatible unit at office max or staples, but can't seem to locate one. What I'm seeing seems to far surpass twc's requirements. The other requirement is that I will want to have the RPi sending video from it perched on my R/C lawn mower back to my laptop. My yard is 100' x 200' with the house in the middle. And I'm not wanting to spend $200 on a modem/ router. Thanks in advance. Martin Pinkston ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.
Chris, I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill. That or just screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free. Omar, Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all. Having dual band doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range. Probably your best bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use WDS for repeat mode. Not a fan of Range extenders or Wifi repeaters they kind of go against IEEE/ip standards. -- On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote: Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the yard? I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick walls an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote: Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have. You either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent it for something like $5/mo. Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo. I bought this and have never had any issues with it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/ It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of TWC replacing it should something go wrong. Chris On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote: Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and then charge you if you need a router. If you need a modem any DOCSIS 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real cheap on craigslist. As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12 only $40 and gives you a rock solid router. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on your wireless equipment. Here is a decent modem http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825124006 and this is the same one I have for my TWC service. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009ignorebbr =1 Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=PropertyN=10001 0076%208000IsNodeId=1page=4bop=AndCompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TSpercm=33-704-177%3A %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A %24%24%24%24%24%24%24 I selected these model routers because they support dual band capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range limits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Range and possible sources of interference http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1365 (another list of interference sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_interference_at_2.4_GHz , and another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Interference) when planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option could be to get an external outdoor antenna http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEN=100010072%204 342IsNodeId=1Description=outdoor%20antennaname=Wireless%20Accessori esOrder=PRICEPagesize=20isdeptsrh=1 that can replace connect to the router and run that out to your roof for optimum outdoor coverage. Trying to cover both indoor AND outdoor reliably can be difficult, ask Alex Kot, Chris Egeland, or Craig Bergdorf for more information as I'm most familiar with consumer grade product that may not achieve your goal. And as someone who must coordinate voice radio comms coverage between different sites every year, signal issues can be difficult to anticipate and troubleshoot. On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Johnson richc...@gmail.com mailto:richc...@gmail.com wrote: I got a dumb modem at Wal-Mart for my twc. Get a nice router / WiFi device. Especially if you need the range. On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, Martin Pinkston martinpinks...@gmail.com mailto:martinpinks...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking to get TW cable service. On their website they list comparable modems and routers. I am going for the $15. per month package. I
Re: [SH-Discuss] Router compat.
If the range can't go outside, then he put the antenna outside he is going to come across the same issue for indoor use. Also I am not sure why everyone gets the assumption Wireless N has better range. The range is dealt with the amplification of the radio, which Generally most SOHO/consumer wireless G routers have better range then N since it wasn't as harshly regulated. You get access with more channels per radio with N, but that doesn't really give you any wider range. I can go over more details if you want at today's meeting. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:05 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I tend to go overboard sometimes, best to choose the simplest solution that works, than to plan for every conceivable point of failure. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Alex, Yea that's why I linked outdoor antennas for Martin as an option to use with less expensive routers, dual band is good if there are 5Ghz devices inside the house so they don't place traffic on the 2.4Ghz band for devices outside the house, IF... hopefully Martin's RasPi is connected via 802.11n for better range than the g standard. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:59 AM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris, I guess they just slip the modem lease in my time warner bill. That or just screwed up my bill and are giving it to me for free. Omar, Even high gain routers don't go through brick walls at all. Having dual band doesn't help much either 5.8 ghz gives you less range. Probably your best bet is to put the router next to the wall or use two routers and use WDS for repeat mode. Not a fan of Range extenders or Wifi repeaters they kind of go against IEEE/ip standards. -- On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 11:23 AM EST Omar Rassi wrote: Alex, is that router going to be able to cover both the house and the yard? I have a Linksys E3000 Dual Band and it's signal barely extends 50 feet beyond the walls of my house at 100% transmit power, they're also brick walls so that's a major factor with that. If Martin's house has brick walls an outdoor antenna may be the way to go cover his yard like he wants. On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Tuesday, February 04, 2014 09:56:41 Chris Egeland wrote: Time Warner doesn't provide modems for free, they never have. You either need to purchase the modem yourself (usually about $50) or rent it for something like $5/mo. Technically they call it a lease. Mine was $7/mo. I bought this and have never had any issues with it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XC6GJ0/ It's cheaper to buy the modem upfront, but renting has the advantage of TWC replacing it should something go wrong. Chris On 2/4/2014 5:24 AM, alex kot wrote: Usually Time Warner will provide a modem for free with the service and then charge you if you need a router. If you need a modem any DOCSIS 2.0 or 3.0 modem will work, you can even find people sell them real cheap on craigslist. As for a router I would recommend Asus RT-N12 only $40 and gives you a rock solid router. On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:00 AM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: with those requirements, you're looking at spending just that much on your wireless equipment. Here is a decent modem http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825124006 and this is the same one I have for my TWC service. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825153009ignorebbr =1 Here's a comparison of different mid-level wireless routers. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=PropertyN=10001 0076%208000IsNodeId=1page=4bop=AndCompareItemList=145%7C33-320-091%5E3 3-320-091-TS%2C33-555-050%5E33-555-050-TS%2C33-704-177%5E33-704-177-TS%2C3 3-320-131%5E33-320-131-TS%2C33-555-046%5E33-555-046-TSpercm=33-704-177%3A %24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-320-131%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B33-555-046%3A %24%24%24%24%24%24%24 I selected these model routers because they support dual band capability, multiple 802.11 protocols, and multiple external antennas giving you the most coverage in the least complex setup. Keep in mind that getting your signal to penetrate through the house and cover your yard may still require the use of range extenders. Bear in mind range limits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Range and possible sources of interference http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1365 (another list of interference sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_interference_at_2.4_GHz , and another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Interference) when planning to cover large areas, for devices that operate outside, their signal has to be able to travel the expected distance and penetrate through the house to get to its closest access point. Another option could be to get
Re: [SH-Discuss] (no subject)
Take your time buddy I am here. -- On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 5:23 PM EST Becca Salchak wrote: Ok On Feb 4, 2014 5:21 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I should be in about 30 mins On Feb 4, 2014 4:34 PM, Becca Salchak rlsalc...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone down at the space yet ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Notacon 11
Notacon is a art, technology, and hacker conference. Notacon 11 is April 10th - 13th in Cleveland. I am wonder if anyone is interesting in going with me? They have discounted rates for group passes and I also might look into getting a room at the Marriott it is located in.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Notacon 11
Friday and Saturdays (11th 12th) are the days that everything happens. The other two days are more of fillers. On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:00 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: I used to go frequently and it was awesome. This year I will try to at least catch one day out of the three, I'll see which day though. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:21 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: Notacon is a art, technology, and hacker conference. Notacon 11 is April 10th - 13th in Cleveland. I am wonder if anyone is interesting in going with me? They have discounted rates for group passes and I also might look into getting a room at the Marriott it is located in. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 48 S Summit St Akron Ohio 44308 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Secure your IoT folks .. first IoT attack surfaces
I would be more worried about 0 day attacks on windows XP computers after April 8th and all the backdoors that currently in most SOHO (Small office / Home Office) routers. On Monday, January 20, 2014 2:25 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: http://investors.proofpoint.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=819799 Woops .. this is the right link. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:24 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: http://investors.proofpoint.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=811622 -- G -- G | Gaurav Narain Saxena | (330) 283 - 4972 I am a Board Member at SYN/HAK: The Akron Hackerspace located at 21 W North St, Akron, Ohio 44304 I am providing technical consulting services to Sherwin-Williams on behalf of Bennett Adelson (Microsoft Solution Center) located at 6050 Oak Tree Blvd, Cleveland, Ohio 44131 I have also been providing solutions to non-trivial problems other businesses may have through my company Whiskey Bits LLC located in Portage Lakes, Ohio Learn more about things I have created by reading my About page on my blog ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New Years Eve!
I am also game, you need me to bring anything like snanks/food? On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:01 PM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all! I just wanted to remind everyone that tonight Steve, Becca, Craig and I will be hanging out at the space tonight to bring in the new year. You are all more than welcome to come! If I don't see you tonight, see you next year!!! -Beth ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Want to visit Dec 27 or Dec 28
Hello Hannah, Someone will be there Saturday from 1PM-6PM during open hours. You can also view the website for a live webcam and check the open status; in case someone comes in during non open hours. Our open hours and live webcam is listed at SynHak.org On Friday, December 27, 2013 9:49 AM, Hannah Smeller hm...@zips.uakron.edu wrote: My name is Hannah Smeller. I am a student at the U of A. My Dad is coming into town from San Antonio. He is a member of the hackerspace there called 10BitWorks. He asked me to plan a meet-up with you guys. Please let me know when you might be open either on the 27th Fri or the 28th Sat. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] This Saturday's shop time.
I plan on being there this Saturday during open hours. I am going to test out a Samba server to see if can create a SSO server that we can possible use for the new space. Feel free to stop in during the open hours. On Friday, December 27, 2013 11:33 AM, Martin Pinkston martinpinks...@gmail.com wrote: The shop host scheduled for this Saturday's Synhak time is out of town and will not be able to attend. I am new and was wondering if the shop is going to be open anyway tomorrow? I would like to pay a visit and I have a couple of start up issues with my RPi that someone could maybe help with. Thanks, Martin -- Take Care and Have Fun Always. Martin ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] sunday open hours up for grabs
I will be there in 15 mins. On Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:32 AM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Space phone will not work at the moment, power shut off at the space momentarily, the PBX server power button doesn't seem to be connected, I push it, nothing happens, I checked the power cable and yes it is plugged in. Craig, when I'm in the space next, may I open the PBX box to ensure the front panel header is secured in place? On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:20 AM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be at the space tomorrow, If the door is locked and my car is there please call the space phone (330) 597 5002. I may have to close the space for a bit to run to the hardware store, but I can stay during open hours and maybe alittle after. Thanks, Devin. From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:53 AM Subject: [SH-Discuss] sunday open hours up for grabs *this is me canceling my open hours tomorrow - no need to read further* i know, i am terrible, but i am kind of sick (i'll be seeking antibiotics Monday), and for some reason i thought (after a few beers) that a box of wine would help my throat, anyway, atm: it's all veruca salt (I hope there is someone my age that can feel) and angst healthily directed at car work, with no sobriety in sight. (yes i know i should prolly just lie) anyway, tonight's project is 'fix my car' and although i've gotten a ride to the space for hours in the past when car troubles came up, i need the time to get a ride to summit to get parts, tomorrow is the last day of not-winter, and if I want to have a functioning car (after leaving additional parts in akron (your welcome) other than the greddy laying in the server room), I really must give this last warm day to the car. anyway, i'm a bad man, but I do what I can. (cant stop listening to this stuff - oh the memories) also, i was there at 7am this morning with what will be my first project in the new space aftre all the needs are handled, an industrial marquee i've been messing with on and off for 2 years now for a customer-ish pal, after building control hardware and writing software the project is now done and he gave me a leftover sign, I'de like to weatherproof it and put it outside so say things like balls and Holiday hours: __ to __ executive summary: idk if I can be there at noon tomorrow, but if I can i will. I agree with beth that an announcement on discuss is required (regardless of current state). 3 Craig ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] laptops sellable?
Didn't Craig dump a bunch of his personal money/time into the current phone system for the space? It is the season for giving. -- On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:49 PM EST Omar Rassi wrote: I agree, and it appears debate is still out on what sort of plan should be set. I should have been more specific in my last email, I'm speaking about this particular set of donated equipment. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: IMO I would say a 20$ donation is fair. Because other computers grown legs does not mean that a plan and prescience should not be set. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Devin, that laptop is in the storage room. Craig, I've tried to get consensus on what to do with the remaining equipment so that they aren't locked in limbo. I went to the space yesterday and noticed that two desktop computers are simply gone. In my opinion, at this point, I don't think its fair to say that you have to buy the machines from the Space when already a laptop and now two desktops have made their way into personal hands. If anyone disagrees with this logic, please say so and lets get a final consensus on what to do with this equipment. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: Would the think pad marked devins do not hack please fix work for you? Omar had it somewhere in the perkins room area. Take a look and let me know. Devin -- *From:* Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:05 PM *Subject:* [SH-Discuss] laptops sellable? I could use a c2d-ish computer to be turned into a touchscreen kiosk, sold, and delivered tomorrow morning. Although it isn't much, it is still for my personal financial gain. One of the laptops from the stack would be perfect, because the value of a 6 year old laptop with a broken keyboard, LCD, no hard drive, power supply, or battery isn’t particularly high, and I don’t need any of that stuff anyway. They seem to be worth about $20 stripped, $50 complete and $100 running http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenova-T61-Laptop-Notebook-For-Parts-Not-Working-IBM-512MB-Ram-Wifi-A-G-N-/221338454794?pt=Laptops_Nov05hash=item3388cccb0a http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T61-Core-2-Duo-2-0Ghz-Laptop-For-Parts-or-Repair-/121233587615?pt=Laptops_Nov05hash=item1c3a15bd9f http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T61-14-1-Laptop-T7500-2-2Ghz-2GB-RAM-120GB-HD-1440x900-/141142309631?pt=Laptops_Nov05hash=item20dcbcbaff The one I’m after is one of the T61s with a key missing, no palm rest, hd, or batt, 1g ram, missing screws, cracked case, really the worst physically I could find in the litter that functions. Can it be sold? To me? Tonight? Alternatively, anyone have most of a core2duo desktop there looking to sell? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] angie's list
This is the one I go too, I highly recommend her. She keeps up consistently with the current technology and also cares a lot about her patients. http://www.sundheimerdentistry.com/ On Monday, December 2, 2013 10:37 AM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: This is who I go to been going for years --- Original Message --- From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net Sent: December 2, 2013 10:35 AM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] angie's list Maybe I'm crazy, but didn't someone at SYNHAK have a subscription to Angie's List? I'm looking for a good local dentist so I can go through the motions of being a grownup and taking care of her own teeth. I also have a cavity now. And dental insurance for the next one. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is now 501(c)3
Champagne for Tuesday meeting? http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef01675f980093970b-800wi.jpg On Sunday, December 1, 2013 10:23 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Just got home and checked the mail. This big letter from the IRS says we're legit 501(c)3. Finally. I'll bring it with me to the space tomorrow for the secretary to file away in a safe spot. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Basic prototyping kit opinions?
What age group are you going for and are you going for someone who is entry level that wants to learn or someone that already has the knowledge? On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:00 PM, Pierce ajsdpie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Could I ask for an opinion from anyone who has a few minutes feels like weighing in? If I was trying to put together a prototyping kit for a brand new inventor, what would go into it? Goals: A really wide range of possible inventions. Functional, as well as representative, stuff, not just 'model of' stuff. A bunny slope learning curve. An exciting, real, substantive feel. Access to many different disciplines (mechanical, electrical, robotic, programming, crafty, modern material marvels, etc.?) of making and an encouragement to fuzz those lines! Ideal for a systems approach or big picture thinking approach to invention. Two cost types: 1.) the skies the limit 2.) $100 or $200 for two dozen inventors to take turns, in teams, for many dismantle-n-rebuild real inventions. I've given this bunches of thought but I would like to hear from other people with different ideas. If this is the wrong forum for this big a question, feel free to delete and respond with the appropriate e-chastisement. Thanks for everything and hello to all from Steph, (One of the new persons, with brown hair, who's been visiting lately.) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-giving
Sorry about that Torrie. I know you are pretty much skin and bones, so I image you pretty much only eat rabbit food. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:18 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 18:38:45 alex kot wrote: Oh I am sure Torrie will enjoy a tossed salad. What day do we plan to do Please don't say that, Alex. It is terribly unfunny and a bit rude. this? Are we doing it next Wednesday or tomorrowor both? I probably won't make it till real late if it is tomorrow. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:15 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: @Devin My personal choice would be 01, a tossed salad. Torrie gets to choose only one from the list , but I am sure she is open to suggestions and majority opinion. No need for any special utensils to deal with the salad. One hand, one latex glove -- add motion, get one clean handful of salad to drop in the guest's bowl. I will be bringing a large flask of raspberry vinaigrette and will be happy to share it with others. Philip On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:08 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you Philip. I don't feel a meal is complete without a nice tossed salad. I can bring several dressings. and utensils as well. I'm not sure about the weenie soup, others may disagree here though. But thats alot of lemon jello. Enough for a party of this size. D. From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-giving All of the above - Count me in for another holiday meal! Let me know the approximate number of people (round it up to the next positive integer) likely to attend and I will bring enough of one of the following items to feed the herd. Since Torrie is apparently the designated chef who will be doing the frying/baking/boiling/braising/toasting/burning/charbroiling/roasting/sear ing of the dead, hairless bird, I will defer to her choice of any one item on the list. 01. ice cream, Food Club (from Acme #1, in any flavor available (now on sale, 4 - 1.5qt for $10) 02 tossed salad, no dressing, BYOD - from Sam's Club or Marcs (available in 12oz or 3lb packages) (allow 4-6 oz per person) 03 weenie soup, 8oz per person (secret recipe = 2qts water, 8 cheap hot dogs, boil for 5 min, serve the flavorful liquid, let the dog have the meat) 04 hors d'oeuvres tray with chocolate covered ants, tidbits of whale meat, fried beetles, rabbit fur rice sushi, and cold garlic paste on a plain, stale cracker 05 lemon jello, with either embedded raisins or pineapple chunks (a personal favorite, already made in 1 gallon jugs, stored in my jello celler) Next move is up to Torrie. Choose one and I will comply. Also, please send me a wave later to confirm the day and time of the post-T'day dinner. Philip On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Remember that allstate commercial where the guy said something like 'this year 2 million people will deep fry their turkey, and 15 will succeed in burning their house down? If we all try hard enough - we could be part of those elite 15 :) Realy though, ya I'de love to help deepfry, never done it/had it, and it seems like the thing to do. Also, we don't have an oven. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/11/22/dangers-deep-fried-turkey/ On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.com wrote: Hahaha, Andrew, if you want to cook the turkey like that, it is fine by me. I'll try most things once. And yes, Steve, I believe we are doing this on Thursday now. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: would we want to drop fry the turkey? what's the point of a 55kbtu burner if you never user it? At any rate I'll try and get my school work taken care of so i can attend - Andrew L On Nov 27, 2013 9:54 AM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we chose Wednesday because everyone was most available that day, but I think Thursday would work, Friday is a no-go because I work Friday nights. As long as you can cook the Turkey, that should be enough :) On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 23:38:19 Bethany Munyan wrote: Hello all! So tonight, after the meeting, I was talking with a bunch of people at the space and we want to have a SYNHAK Thanksgiving, or Spacegiving. I think we are going to do it next week on Wednesday 12/4, before/during/after the safety class. I'm not sure. Chris said he has a turkey that if someone cooks we can eat. I believe Torrie said she will cook that. I can bring pie. Who else wants to come and bring food? I do ask
Re: [SH-Discuss] Wiki sprint
I am up for it, I am also going to edit some of the videos from the Speakers Bureau and upload them to youtube. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:58 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Who might be up for sitting down on a friday night with beer and doing some social wiki writing. Trust me, this is just as fun as building things, and equally important. Tonight I just happen to be doing a bit of work on documenting Phong, making the Mailing Lists page look a lot more welcoming, and improving our What We Offer page. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Basic prototyping kit opinions?
I bought a Starter Kit made by OSEPP from microcenter, not as cool as the one Torrie showed from SparkFun. I know Microcenter sells SparkFun products, but I am not sure if they have the one she listed yet. Might stop by next time when I am at work (Microcenter is up in Cleveland). On Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:28 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: prototyping kit for a brand new inventor The kit Torrie suggested looks great, and would be nice to have available at SynHak. When people ask about how to invent something, I like to talk to them about Starting their own business with the thing that they want to invent. Since you need to find some way to pay for everything that goes with getting a patient. There are a lot of things that people don't think about :) Hmm, I really need some free time so that I can write a talk about it. Andy PS, you can also contact the Hudson inventors group for suggestions too. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 13:59:55 Pierce wrote: Hi all, Could I ask for an opinion from anyone who has a few minutes feels like weighing in? If I was trying to put together a prototyping kit for a brand new inventor, what would go into it? Goals: A really wide range of possible inventions. Functional, as well as representative, stuff, not *just* 'model of' stuff. A bunny slope learning curve. An exciting, real, substantive feel. Access to many different disciplines (mechanical, electrical, robotic, programming, crafty, modern material marvels, etc.?) of making and an encouragement to fuzz those lines! Ideal for a systems approach or big picture thinking approach to invention. Two cost types: 1.) the skies the limit 2.) $100 or $200 for two dozen inventors to take turns, in teams, for many dismantle-n-rebuild real inventions. I've given this bunches of thought but I would like to hear from other people with different ideas. If this is the wrong forum for this big a question, feel free to delete and respond with the appropriate e-chastisement. You might be looking for the Sparkfun Inventor's Kit as a source of inspiration for electronics: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11576 Its only $90 and would easily cover everything about electronics, programming, and a touch of robotics. I'm not sure for the other bits though. Thanks for everything and hello to all from Steph, (One of the new persons, with brown hair, who's been visiting lately.) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The Fridge
Actually storing batteries in the freezer does slow down the discharge rate. NiMH and NiCd batteries have a high discharge rate as oppose to Alkaline batteries. Though the amount of energy you use to cool the battery VS how much you save is kind of pointless. On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:51 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2013 03:04:21 Andrew Buczko wrote: Hehe, I would use the fridge for the rare (press a gear onto a crank) trick where you freeze the crank and boil the gear. You can store Glue in the fridge to make it last longer. (-- might be a myth) Myth. Batteries. (-- also might be a myth) Also myth. However, you are supposed to store solder paste in the fridge. Fish Rubber for making slot car tires. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.comwrote: What kind of non-food use? Bio projects? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2013, at 0:26, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: I like free option, and bigger will be nice. Can we keep the smaller one for non-food use? If we have the space. On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Saturday, November 23, 2013 00:45:49 Bethany Munyan wrote: As someone who often fill up the fridge when I am there, I think a bigger fridge would be a good idea. If we have to wait until we move, then I don't think that would be a big deal. We can always look on craigslist if we have to. -Beth Yeah, I agree. We do need a bigger fridge. We can't fit a bigger one in the space easily, but I'm open to the idea of using my garage as storage for new things we want to acquire but don't have the space for 'till we get a bigger location. Its only 8 minutes away up in North Hill. On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: A second fridge would be a great addition. Then we could have a soft drink fridge and an adult beverage fridge. This will assuage some concerns if we ever have school groups at the space or members not of age. We had discussed an adult fridge this spring and just never got around to it due to other pressing matters. regards, Andrew On Nov 22, 2013 2:56 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: Chris Alex Omar and anybody else that has an interest in a bigger refrigerator - If SH is willing to wait, I can probably obtain a full size refrigerator for FREE, sometime in the near future. Could be anytime from next week to a day in the next few months. I have access to a location where many working household appliances are discarded on a regular basis. In the last few months, several refrigerators, a freezer, a washer/dryer combo, two stoves, and lots of small appliances were placed by the dumpster and abandoned. Any one or all of them could have become SH property on request. If a frig becomes available, SH will have to pickup the item on short notice (24 hrs or less) and remove it from the property. Also, there is no choice of color or size or model or brand or age. If a 10-yr old Amana side-by-side, model #333, in bright periwinkle shows up, that is what the org will get. Somebody let me know if I should add a frig to the list of wanted for free that I maintain for family and friends. PPP On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed, its overkill. We need to be more diligent about replacing the drink we take out of the fridge. Take one, place one... On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: I think it is overkill. A full size fridge isn't cheap, plus we are planning to move sometime soon. Maybe in march we can rebring this up when it starts to get warm. -- On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:23 PM EST Chris Egeland wrote: So, I mentioned this to Torrie the other day at the space, and I figured I'd bring it up here because, well, why not. We probably need a bigger fridge soon. Right now, it's not mission critical because we're TECHNICALLY not out of space, but the fridge we have does get emptied VERY quickly. We keep a bit of a stockpile under the counter in the kitchen area of beverages, but that sits there unrefrigerated which sucks in the summer and the Mountain Dew is 95 degrees Fahrenheit (35C for you people in every other country than the USA, Liberia and Burma). So, I'm gonna ask you guys: Do you think a full-size fridge is overkill for our needs? It would
Re: [SH-Discuss] New member!
I ended up getting my membership quickly, due to the fact I piss excellence in the morning. -- On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 1:59 PM EST Bethany Munyan wrote: We like excellent! On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, David Morley davemor...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome is a trait after my time. I can only hope to be fun, excellent, and possibly interesting. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: What are Davids Interests? What will dose David want to see in the space? Would David prefer to be...: A. Awesome B. Fun C. Excellent On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:54 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Discuss list members, David Morely He's been hanging around the space since at least three mini maker fair. His application says he's a hacker from way back. At this point he has scheduled his official interview and membership vote for next Weeks meeting (11/ 26). So now we open up discussion to the list and welcome any thoughts people have on David becoming a member. Regards, Andrew ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New mailing list: power-racing-series
Thanks Torrie, Philip, and Xander for your input. Just to elaborate more onto this. Syn/Hak is a community for open minded individuals. The space does not condone to judging sexual preference, race, gender, and disabilities. By chance this was just one of those internet references that was not in context of judging someones sexual preference, be leery that everyone may not get those references. Try to be politically correct and most importantly respectful of other people, after all this is a public email listing. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:38 PM, Alexander Golightley coinspel...@gmail.com wrote: Torrie, thank you. Seriously. I couldn't support your decision more than I do now. As another non-heteronormative member of the LGBT community, I deal with bigoted crap enough day to day. I don't need to deal with it in the organization I love so dearly. I think actions like this are the only way to show that this type of bigotry is unacceptable. I'm delighted to be part of an organization that feels the same way (although I am in no way surprised by this. I think very highly of the people involved in SYN/HAK.) -Xander On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: TWIMC and Torrie Fischer, As an outsider and non-member, who is considering SYNHAK as a place to spend some time, meet some new people, learn some new skills, and work on my pet projects, I want to state that I fully support Torrie Fischer's reaction to the astonishing email from BL containing an obvious slur against a group of people who deserve to be treated as equals in all respects, at all times. Homophobic slurs are unwanted, unnecessary, embarrassing, and totally devoid of substance. Even one as silly as the one in BL's email reply - is out of place in our civilized society. Comments like that have no place in the organization and must be suppressed with prejudice immediately. I hope that the members of SYNHAK will agree with Torrie and support her. Sincerely, PPP On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, November 14, 2013 20:28:58 Ben Lippincott wrote: Ha! Gay! Hello, friend. It seems that you have tried to introduce a smidgen of immature humor into a public mailing list. As a non-heteronormative member of the LGBT community, I must say that I am disgusted with your behavior. Thoroughly disgusted, in fact. I will admit this: SYNHAK is essentially a very large community of technical children who somehow managed to pull together enough collaborative effort to give birth to something wonderful in the City of Invention. Irrespective of that, we give each other the full respect that each of us is due. Using gay in such a manner shows a disappointing lack of respect from you. As Champion of SYNHAK, it is my duty to ensure that SYNHAK is constantly moving in a direction in accordance with our mission statement, which I've included here from our bylaws for reference: SYN/HAK provides an environment for people to educate, create, and share amongst themselves and others within the domains of technology, art and science. -- http://static.synhak.org/documents/latex/bylaws.pdf It is my belief that in order to secure such an environment, upholding the first rule of the space is of utmost important. Again, i've included it here for reference: 1. Be excellent to each other. -- http://static.synhak.org/documents/latex/space-rules.pdf With the powers vested in me as documented through our bylaws and given to me through my re-election to the position of SYNHAK Champion by the membership of this community, I hereby declare that you were not acting in accordance with our mission statement. That is to say, you are not acting Excellent. I recommend that you cease this behavior immediately. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Do not send another mail to this community or further action will be taken to exclude you and your behavior from it. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM, codex codices co...@codices.net wrote: I tried to subscribe and it says that I must enter a valid email address. Its the same address I use for the other mailing lists. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Howdy, all. At the request of Devin, I've created a new list: power-racing-ser...@synhak.org Subscribe here: https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/power-racing-series It is intended for use in facilitating discussions about the power wheel racing series project, aka the big pink Power Wheels car and nearby tractor chassis in the front of the space. I've added Devin as the primary list owner, with sysad...@synhak.org as the backup. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Debate Time!!! Gaming on High End gaming rigs vs budget PCs or, Reality vs Theory
Omar I think you are confusing IT with the consumer level. You deal with Standards way beyond Gigabit depending on the scope needed. Most things are engineered to meet the specification. Hard drives spinning at 15K RPMs was the cap, which is why they never made anything faster then SCSI 640, until SSDs came out. Also the reason why data centers now use GPUs for processing is due to gaming is the only market truly pushing computers. As for consumer level buying a $5,000 computer is pointless. A computer that cost 1K will still running every game on high for the year it came out. Then again I don't drive a Ferrari. Also that would cool if that wireless extension cord did exist, I would transform that into a ADS (Active Denial System). On Saturday, November 9, 2013 6:03 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I got it here. http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, nicholaspetro...@gmail.com wrote: Figure out efficient wireless power transfer and you've got it. Sent from my iPad On Nov 9, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com wrote: Or we can just run a really really long extension cord to OSC! Chris Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2013, at 12:28, Nicholas Petroski nicholaspetro...@gmail.com wrote: Just need a space where electric is included. On Nov 9, 2013 12:13 PM, Ben Lippincott benji.lippinc...@gmail.com wrote: badjoke OMG We don't need a new space, or any heaters We can just get 16 Radeon R9 290Xs and make 4 bitcoin mining PCs and put them around the space It'll be like 700 degrees F I'm a genius Pus it would only cost $9600 for all the GPUs /badjoke GPU-based buttcoin mining is pointless. It costs more in electricity than you can make up by mining. On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: GXLOLWTFDDR573 I'll have to get me some of that RAM! The way I see it is that the newer games are too demanding. You have games out there that require a super computer just to play them yet an 8088 can display 30 rotating 3D objects at once?... The developers of today need to take some que's from the Demoscene programmers and go back and refine their code. Oh and don't worry about bitcoins, that's what your cycles are for ;) On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Friday, November 08, 2013 12:00:20 Omar Rassi wrote: Most of us in the IT field know that even though gigabit ethernet has a bandwidth 1000 Mb/s or that SATA3 has bandwidth of 600 Mb/s, you will never reach those numbers in real world operation. Does the same hold true about gaming and FPS? I found the following article at on Wired: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2013/11/high-low-gaming-pcs/?cid=14209594 I know that beyond 60 FPS its very difficult for the human eye to distinguish better quality and that greater than 30 FPS is where games are considered playable. Wired brought up a good point that most monitors can only display 60 FPS max (high end monitors beyond 60Hz are excluded from that generality). So I ask what are the benefits of a multi-thousand dollar gaming rig besides bragging rights? the benefit to me is that I can immediately pick out who doesn't understand the bottlenecks in today's software The topic here is centered around benefits to the owner of said computer, not community projects like Folding@home or Seti@home. Do not discuss Bitcoin mining is also a given considering the power of a $5000 rig and how much it has already been discussed in the past, lets get creative here. but muh buttcoins... Thanks, Omar ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Thanks! Ben Lippincott ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] IPv6 Tunnel Help!
They have a guide on their site. https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Using_IPv6_on_2.1_with_a_Tunnel_Broker Though for Tunnel Broker they have a lot better support on the Linux side (Debian and OpenWRT). On Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:23 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com wrote: Is there anyone that considers themselves an expert or at least somewhat experienced with IPv6 and pfSense? If so, please talk to me. I'm trying to get a HE.net tunnel set up here at the space and I'm running into some difficulties getting things set up the way I was hoping. Thanks, Chris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Google Helpouts
Slashdot posted a good article on Google Helpouts. Were you can share skills and expertise via Google hangout. Can be provided free or paid. Maybe something Syn/Hak can use. http://slashdot.org/topic/cloud/googles-helpouts-driven-by-people-power/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Upcoming Events for Tuesday 29 October 2013
I am down for LAN party this and next weekend. I mean we are going to have a different crowd this Saturday with the Maker Faire. On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:09 AM, Ben Lippincott benji.lippinc...@gmail.com wrote: Torrie, can we move the LAN Party back a week? I am in the tech crew for my school play this weekend and won't be able to make it. If we change the date to next week, I can come. If we can't move it, can we do 2 this month? (huehuehue) On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 03:12:13 AM Phong wrote: Guten Tag, hakkers! Rumor has it that some new things are happening at SYNHAK in the next 7 days: phong you are drunk go home = Fall 2013 Open House = After the Akron Mini Maker Faire, make your way down to SYNHAK for our fall open house! Start: 2013-11-02T22:00:00+00:00 End: 2013-11-03T08:00:00+00:00 Organizers: * Torrie Fischer = Monthly LAN: November 2013 = This month's LAN party. Be prepared for a few rounds of Artemis. Start: 2013-11-03T00:00:00+00:00 End: 2013-11-03T08:00:00+00:00 Organizers: * Torrie Fischer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Thanks! Ben Lippincott ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The Speaker's Bureau rises again like a phoenix!
I can probably stop up there this Friday grab the files and work on it a little this weekend. On Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:38 AM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: Alex, we do have some content that was filmed at the screen printing class that needs edited then uploaded. It is on the flip cam. I believe G has some footage from other talks as well. There is a premier pro video editing suite on the windows machine in the Perkins room. If you want to tackle this it would be appriciated Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From: alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com; To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] The Speaker's Bureau rises again like a phoenix! Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 2:30:09 AM Torrie if you need someone to assist on this, I am more then welcome to help out. I think getting some new content that we can put on our Youtube channel will bring more of a face to SYN/HAK. We can start probably with a few people from SYN/HAK, I would like to give some presentation, Craig mention it too, and I see Justin would like to also. If you need someone to help coordinate or update the Classes on the website I am willing to assist. Let me know what I can do to help, Alex Kot On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:25 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I can offer to speak again if you are needing people to speak in the future. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Howdy, hakkers! Remember this thing? http://synhak.org/wiki/Speakers_Bureau When we started the bureau, I was the de facto head and handled: * Finding speakers * Scheduling speakers * Making sure the speakers are well accomodated * Running PR for speakers Some time ago, I believe as early as April, Xander stepped up and started to take charge of things. I really don't remember any announcement about it other than some in-person discussions, but I was quite happy to have one fewer responsibility at the space. Last week was the first wednesday slot I can remember where we didn't have anything scheduled. Previously, we had so many classes booked that there was a four month wait to get in. Sounds like much, but isn't really since we only do it twice a month. We discussed this at last night's meeting as well (phong not reporting minutes is another topic...), and the general consensus seems to be that nobody is actually running it anymore. If anyone is, there is absolutely no visibility as to what is going on. For such a core component of SYNHAK's mission to educate, I think it would Not Be Excellent for this situation to continue. I'm stepping up and taking over unless there are objections to that. If someone else can contribute the 1-2 hours a week needed for organizing things, please let me know here on discuss@. If you want to get involved with getting the bureau running again and *keeping* it running, please also let me know here on discuss@. If I don't hear from anyone by tomorrow afternoon, I'll start devising some self-sustaining mechanisms for the bureau's future along with scheduling new classes. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Woz Tickets
Is anyone planning on carpooling or possibly walking up there (not sure how far of a walk that is)? If car pooling I can take two people with me. On Monday, October 21, 2013 12:37 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, October 17, 2013 01:09:17 PM Ben Lippincott wrote: Gimme gimme! Also, if any one else has a ticket, my dad wants to come. You're the first to reply to me, so you win one (1) ticket. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Howdy, all! Steve Wozinak's upcoming lecture at EJ Thomas Hall is this Monday October 21st at 7:30 PM. I've got a total of four tickets (they were free), three of them are already reserved. I know there were plans to build a pool of tickets amongst us, but last time I asked who got them nobody actually replied. So, who wants the last ticket, and who else has some they want to add to the pool? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Intel Galileo (brought to you by Arduino and Intel)
I am kind of confused. Is this X86? Even on the Intel datasheet it doesn't mention anything about X86 it states 32-bit Intel® Pentium instruction set architecture (ISA)-compatible processor. From: gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Intel Galileo (brought to you by Arduino and Intel) http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20131003-904584.html#printMode Thought I'd forward this for those that are into Arduino and Intel based dev Also, keep an eye on http://makered.org/ - looks like a cool initiative Dale's into ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Element14 video project URGENT UPDATE
Do we hold up to our standard of being excellent and redo the intro on the quick? That is what the hackerspace is for, providing excellence! I am down for redoing the intro tonight. I can see if I can gather some people to help. From: degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com To: Synhak discuss@synhak.org Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Element14 video project URGENT UPDATE First off I want to Thank everyone so much for their involvement in this project. Some people really stepped up and I owne you my eternal gratitude. With that being said there was some problems. The video was sent to Dave last night and I just got off the phone with him. They did not feel the intro was what they wanted/didn't follow their script so it will not be posted. They will still be using the fight scenes, they thought those came out fantastic. They are willing to hold up their end of the deal with funding so long as we provide a blog style write up on the two main props, specifically focusing on the electronics (hardware and software). Basically a how we built them and any problems we encountered. We still have the props to take photos and the like, but we need to ship them to Dave sometime next week. On the bright side they love the destruction videos and will be using those in conjunction with our write ups. So I ask you this. Do we hold up to our standard of being excellent and redo the intro on the quick? This will involve the help of a lot of people. I would love to give them what they want. Can I get some people down at the space tonight to run through this? Thank you guys, Devin ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] state of computing address
Microsoft (technet) opened $2 million to nonprofit organizations. http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/09/10/office-365-for-nonprofits-is-here-to-help-organizations-do-more-good-with-technology.aspx We can always try to reach out and see what they can provide us. If that doesn't work out I can probably get a copy of Windows 8 Pro (OEM) system builder. From: Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] state of computing address I'm sure we can get a genuine credit card number from one their affiliates! On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com wrote: The Bellevue, WA registration alone makes me wonder if it's a Microsoft trap. It being hosted in UAE is lol, and it being hosted on a box with an rdns of pink.warez-host.com is pretty awesome. On 9/19/2013 3:50 PM, dave walton wrote: I'd file that under the Too good to be true category. The domain owner is listed anonymously in Bellevue WA, the server IP resolves to the United Arab Emirates and traffic is routed through pink.warez-host.com . On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Or we could pass the hat and see if we can get a copy from here... http://www.cheapgk.com/product-category/windows-8 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Could a student get a license of Win 7 pro/8 from the UA Computer Store for cheap and use it at the space? Is that within compliance? On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Oh sweet! I did not know that, thank you! Take your time, there is no deadline for this. Its very exciting to see this stuff come together, all done in our spare time. Syn/Hak is simply amazing. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: the space has (had?) a google account with a DID setup for the first pass at this phone project back in march (which did work for a month before fading into disrepair). I don't think the number was ever advertised, but it was announced at the weekly meeting and hit the discuss list: (March 23, 2012 - Torrie):SYNHAK has a phone number now, which is 330-737-1425, or 330-737-1HAK. I'll be in to set it up again asap, but am covered in other peoples projects (non-syn related) at the moment, at worst It'll be done Sunday. Howdy hackers! I'm very pleased to announce that my campaign to introduce more workstations to the space is a great success! Since I began tinkering and discussing the subject, there have been a total of three working computers added to our humble hackerspace. The electronics lab now has a fully functioning design suite of programs to assist in the design of electronic circuits to include a simulator. Design and/or make modifications without having to solder and resolder every idea without leaving the lab. It is running Fedora 19 LXDE with the Electronics lab spin installed. Hardware: Athlon XP 1600+, 2GB DDR 266, Geforce TI 200 video. Another workstation has been added to the Perkins Room, running Fedora 19 LXDE. Hardware: AMD Athlon II (Socket AM3), 2GB DDR3, Integrated Radeon HD 4200. And the last computer is being used to replace our PBX box which went kaput for an as of yet unknown reason. The goal for that is to use it with the Cisco IP 7960 phones that were recently donated, set it up with a dedicated google voice number for inbound and outbound calling to Syn/Hak. Currently there is no phone number dedicated to the Space in general. This makes for 5 working computers usable by members and guests. space.kevlar is still down due to a possible RAID failure The old PBX box is down due to an unknown failure Dialbot (De Facto Syn/Hak mascot) is down due to a broken rotary dial We still need monitors, socket 775 motherboards, DDR2, DDR3, power supplies, and one legitimate Windows Vista/7/8 Pro license (preferably with a COA). Tonight, I will be moving the various unused, and working computer parts, accessories, cables, to the storage area at the back of the Perkins Room. The known bad computer parts will be placed at the electronics lab for use as scrap (there are lots of capacitors waiting for harvest, hmmm soylent green electronics). Special thanks goes out to Craig Bergdorf, Justin Herman, and Alex Kot for their generous donations, time, and effort towards this ongoing subject area. Thanks to the membership for making this place possible. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org
[SH-Discuss] Projects if anyone is interested.
Class 4 laser: I have a 9MM diode , a driver to power it, a copper mount, and a single element lens. I can bring this to the space and show how to put it together. I will also teach the dangers and safety precautions of high powered lasers. The laser output will be around 2.3 watts, I currently have a 1.1 watt laser. Also I would need a host for it. If anyone is interested on helping me make one, I think something that looks like a lightsaber would be pretty awesome. Wifi: I have high gain wifi devices that can broadcast over a mile. Since the hackspace is right in the middle of Akron I am not going to do that. What I can show is how wifi works and explain experimental routing protocols that will connect multiple nodes together. Linux firmware: I can show how to install or set up custom Linux firmware on routers and various other devices. Xbox: I can show how to softmod or TSOP flash a first gen Xbox. Though kind of old and not as useful right now, it was one of my earliest Hackings I did. QuadCopter: I would love to build one, not sure if anyone will be down for this.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Projects if anyone is interested.
Class 4 laser: I have a 9MM diode , a driver to power it, a copper mount, and a single element lens. I can bring this to the space and show how to put it together. I will also teach the dangers and safety precautions of high powered lasers. The laser output will be around 2.3 watts, I currently have a 1.1 watt laser. Also I would need a host for it. If anyone is interested on helping me make one, I think something that looks like a lightsaber would be pretty awesome. omg yes plz We can probably set up a schedule for building the class 4 laser and see if enough people want to come. If so I will have to order a bunch of safety glasses. Wifi: I have high gain wifi devices that can broadcast over a mile. Since the hackspace is right in the middle of Akron I am not going to do that. What I can show is how wifi works and explain experimental routing protocols that will connect multiple nodes together. What about building a whole bunch of incognito gurella repeaters to expand the reach of ConnectAkron? Heck, that sounds like something you could get a grant for funding it. If you guys are interested I have a bunch of boards we can create this with. Also I am not sure what routing protocol ConnectAkron uses, but I am pretty sure it sucks. From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com; SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Projects if anyone is interested. On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 09:59:18 AM alex kot wrote: Class 4 laser: I have a 9MM diode , a driver to power it, a copper mount, and a single element lens. I can bring this to the space and show how to put it together. I will also teach the dangers and safety precautions of high powered lasers. The laser output will be around 2.3 watts, I currently have a 1.1 watt laser. Also I would need a host for it. If anyone is interested on helping me make one, I think something that looks like a lightsaber would be pretty awesome. omg yes plz Wifi: I have high gain wifi devices that can broadcast over a mile. Since the hackspace is right in the middle of Akron I am not going to do that. What I can show is how wifi works and explain experimental routing protocols that will connect multiple nodes together. What about building a whole bunch of incognito gurella repeaters to expand the reach of ConnectAkron? Heck, that sounds like something you could get a grant for funding it. Linux firmware: I can show how to install or set up custom Linux firmware on routers and various other devices. Xbox: I can show how to softmod or TSOP flash a first gen Xbox. Though kind of old and not as useful right now, it was one of my earliest Hackings I did. QuadCopter: I would love to build one, not sure if anyone will be down for this.___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
