RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000

2002-12-18 Thread Mark Harford
that's your answer then - see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;273263

-Original Message-
From: Andy Haigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 December 2002 07:11
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


No still in Mixed mode

-Original Message-
From: Mark Harford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, 13 December 2002 12:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


Are you in Exchange 2000 Native Mode yet?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Haigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 12 December 2002 00:12
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


Interesting I don't have that function available. These are Public folders I
migrated over from a Exchange 5.5 server via a pst file. They show as having
email addresses already but if you right click, all tasks you only get Mail
Enable it's as if Exchange doesn't know about the email addresses. Yet it
works perfectly.

I may need to recreated the Folders and copy the contents over to fix up the
problem. Though looking at the default Folder Tree, it is set to MAPI
Clients so I expect it will always create Mail Enabled folders which cannot
be changed.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Mike Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2002 9:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


Andy,

In ESM navigate to the public folder, right click, All Tasks, Mail Disable.

Voila,
Mike

-Original Message-
From: Andy Haigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 11 December 2002 09:20
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


Is there a way to un mail enable a Public Folder?

Apart from deleting and re-creating.

Thanks

Andy

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recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item retention=0

2002-12-18 Thread Jan Novák
Hi, 
I have an urgent question. One of our customers incidentally deleted some important 
mails from deleted items folder. Deleted items retention is set to 0 for private 
information store, so it cannot be recovered using this feature. There is no current 
backup. I know, that mails still probably are somewhere in exchange database, but 
marked as white space. Is there any way to get it back, or is it completely lost ?

If anyone is sure that it is possible or impossible, send me email as quickly as 
possible ...

Thanks a lot

Honza Novak

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RE: recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item retention=0

2002-12-18 Thread Sander Van Butzelaar
My vote goes with toast then..:-(. I know of no quick recovery if all those avenues 
have been tried without success.

Sander

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From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 December 2002 12:30
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item retention=0
Importance: High

Hi, 
I have an urgent question. One of our customers incidentally deleted some important 
mails from deleted items folder. Deleted items retention is set to 0 for private 
information store, so it cannot be recovered using this feature. There is no current 
backup. I know, that mails still probably are somewhere in exchange database, but 
marked as white space. Is there any way to get it back, or is it completely lost ?

If anyone is sure that it is possible or impossible, send me email as quickly as 
possible ...

Thanks a lot

Honza Novak

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RE: recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item retenti on=0

2002-12-18 Thread Drewery, Anthony
Bit of a long shot but have they ever replied or forwarded them? Might have
them in their Sent Items if they have.

Ant.

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Sent: 18 December 2002 10:40
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Subject: RE: recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item
retention=0


My vote goes with toast then..:-(. I know of no quick recovery if all those
avenues have been tried without success.

Sander

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From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 December 2002 12:30
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item retention=0
Importance: High

Hi, 
I have an urgent question. One of our customers incidentally deleted some
important mails from deleted items folder. Deleted items retention is set to
0 for private information store, so it cannot be recovered using this
feature. There is no current backup. I know, that mails still probably are
somewhere in exchange database, but marked as white space. Is there any way
to get it back, or is it completely lost ?

If anyone is sure that it is possible or impossible, send me email as
quickly as possible ...

Thanks a lot

Honza Novak

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RE: recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item retention=0

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
Completely lost, unless those emails were replied to (and in sent items)
or also sent to another employee and can be pulled from their mailbox.

In a normal exchange database, the transactions are frequent and
plentiful.  There may not even be any whitespace where there was 5
minutes ago.

I'd chalk this up to lesson learned on so many fronts.

1) important emails in deleted items folder.  Does this person file
important documents in the waste paper basket by his desk?
2) no current backups.  well.  'nough said. (of course you could mean
since receipt of this email)
3) deleted item retention set to '0'. 

Out of curiosity, is transaction logging set to circular?

William 
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jan Novák
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Importance: High

Hi, 
I have an urgent question. One of our customers incidentally deleted
some important mails from deleted items folder. Deleted items retention
is set to 0 for private information store, so it cannot be recovered
using this feature. There is no current backup. I know, that mails still
probably are somewhere in exchange database, but marked as white space.
Is there any way to get it back, or is it completely lost ?

If anyone is sure that it is possible or impossible, send me email as
quickly as possible ...

Thanks a lot

Honza Novak

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RE: Inbox in Deleted Items?????

2002-12-18 Thread Mahesh Bharatsingh
First: Jeff, thanks for your reply.

Outlook.exe /resetfolders didn't work. Maybe because the inbox is stil there
and working just fine, the only problem is that is isn't on the right spot.
It seems that i can't get it out of the deleted items folder.

If there are any other suggestions...

-Original Message-
From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:27 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Inbox in Deleted Items?


You need to look at q296192(this one is for OL2002, but I think it will
have links to the older versions)... you basically need to issue
'outlook.exe /ResetFolders'



-Original Message-
From: Mahesh Bharatsingh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Inbox in Deleted Items?


Hello
 
I have two users now who accidentally deleted their inboxes using
outlook
web access. The inbox is then placed in the deleted items folder. When i
try
to move it back, i get the message, access denied.
 
I don't understand how this is possible, i thougt the inbox could not be
delted or moved, but it seems there is a way to do it. The users
couldn't
tell me how they did it, it just happened.
Does anybody know what causes this and, more important, how this can be
solved?
 
[Exchange 5.5 SP4 on WinNT 4.0 SP6]
 
Thanks, in advance.
 
Kind regards,
Mahesh Bharatsingh

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RE: BellSouth DSL and MS VPN client

2002-12-18 Thread Roger Seielstad
We've experienced sporatic issues with most of the DSL router/firewall combo
units on the market with VPN connectivity to the office. More often than
not, forcing the client MTU to =1400 and ensuring the latest BIOS on the
router has fixed it.

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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Murray Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:51 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: BellSouth DSL and MS VPN client
 
 
 We use something called Contivity by Nortel; their client 
 does work through
 a NAT device, using a UDP-based application protocol to find 
 the server.
 Works great through my Linux-based firewall, and my 
 colleague's LinkSys
 router. Did _not_ work through my boss's new (bargain-priced) 
 D-Link router;
 he had to get a LinkSys.
 
 I have few details on the above-mentioned UDP-based protocol. 
 Could the MS
 VPN client be doing something similar?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Daniel Chenault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:33 PM
 Subject: Re: BellSouth DSL and MS VPN client
 
 
  If it's doing NAT I don't think it'll work.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Andrey Fyodorov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:23 PM
  Subject: OT: BellSouth DSL and MS VPN client
 
 
  Hi all.
 
  Does anyone here use BellSouth DSL service?
 
  I just got it installed and it is working great. However 
 when I am on DSL,
 I
  can't connect to my corporate network with the MS VPN client.
 
  My setup at home is:
  Win ME or Win 2K Pro with MS VPN client
  BellSouth gave me Westell WireSpeed DSL modem
  I bought D-Link 614+ Wireless router. However my PC is 
 wired. D-Link is
 not
  blocking any outgoing traffic.
 
  I have even tried to bypass D-Link and connected straight 
 to the Westell
  modem. Still no luck. The Westell modem is actually a router with a
 firewall
  but as far as I can see it is not blocking any outgoing traffic.
 
  I can ping the external IP address of the VPN server. MS 
 VPN client can
 see
  it too but it times out on Verifying username and 
 password and gives
 error
  650.
 
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RE: Outlook 200 Folder size

2002-12-18 Thread Roger Seielstad
No. View | Current View  and select something different than is currently
selected.

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Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:50 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Outlook 200 Folder size
 
 
 Is this the setting you are talking about?
 
 
 On the Tools menu, click E-mail Accounts. 
 Select View or change existing e-mail accounts, and then click Next. 
 Click the e-mail account you want, and then click Change, 
 
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RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk

2002-12-18 Thread Roger Seielstad
Of course you did.

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Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:50 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
 
 
 I only meant that in the most constructive, helpful,
 caring sense possible.
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
 Technical Consultant
 hp Services
 There are seldom good technological solutions to
 behavioral problems.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
 Of Roger Seielstad
 Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:16 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
 
 
 You would know that, too, wouldn't you?
 
 Roger
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 Sr. Systems Administrator
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 Atlanta, GA
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:03 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
  
  
  Don't sell yourself short.  You're a technical
 pr!ck.
  
  Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
  Technical Consultant
  hp Services
  There are seldom good technological solutions to
  behavioral problems.
  
 
 
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RE: More OT: Hitachi SAN

2002-12-18 Thread Roger Seielstad
 script that shuts down the db does the snapshot and then 
 restarts the db
 all done in less than a minute. Yo

I don't know about you, but shutting down my Exchange databases takes
significantly longer than a minute. Granted, they're still predominantly
Ex5.5, but its not a one minute process. Might be if I did it daily, but I
can't, since we run 24x7.

Personally, I still think the best way to do it is to use a backup to disk
option and rip that to tape, or use an agent based backup. 

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 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Haigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:21 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: More OT: Hitachi SAN
 
 
 It's only if you are taking snapshots of running db's that 
 you have the
 problems. OK I know there are a number of sites out there who will not
 allow even a minute of the air but the majority of us can live with a
 script that shuts down the db does the snapshot and then 
 restarts the db
 all done in less than a minute. You can then kick off your 
 backup which
 backs the snapshot up to tape. I have seen this form of 
 snapshotting on
 EMC and NetApps and it works very well. I have also seen Oracle
 databases recovered from snapshots successfully.
 
 Listening to MS they have added support for snapshots in 
 Windows.NET and
 they are also saying that there will be snapshotting available on the
 next version of Exchange, but lets wait and see. The snapshots in .NET
 is more of a complete copy followed by delta's for each subsequent
 snapshot.
 
 EMC and NetApps use technology that provides instant 
 snapshots as all it
 does it take a snapshot of the block allocation table and only if a
 block is about to change does it create a second block to 
 keep a copy of
 the block as at the time of the snapshot. This obviously 
 saves on space
 but if you have a mutliple disk failure does mean you could 
 lose all of
 the data for that snapshot, though in one of these modern SAN's with
 multiple spare drives is very unlikely.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 18 December 2002 1:39 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: More OT: Hitachi SAN
 
 
 If you cant restore it, whats the point?
 
 Is it safe to assume the same with a SQL or Oracle db as well?  What
 about a AD global directory?
 
 I'm getting the impression that its good for file systems and file
 servers and not much more.
 
 e-
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 11:03 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: More OT: Hitachi SAN
 
 You might be able to restore one if you're lucky.
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
 Technical Consultant
 hp Services
 There are seldom good technological solutions to
 behavioral problems.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
 Of Roger Seielstad
 Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:21 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: More OT: Hitachi SAN
 
 
 You can take snapshot backups of the database. You
 can't restore them, but you can take them.
 
 Roger
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 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 Atlanta, GA
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:31 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: More OT: Hitachi SAN
  
  
  I've seen Exchange 2000 run on servers that use a
 Hitachi SAN.  There
  really shouldn't be any problem running Exchange on
 any high-quality 
  SAN system.  Don't believe the hyperbole, however,
 that you can take
  snapshot backups of the Exchange databases.
  
  Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
  Tech Consultant
  hp Services
  Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
 Behalf Of Hansen, Eric
  Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:39 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: More OT: Hitachi SAN
  
  
  2nd verse, same as the first...  :p
  
  
  Anyone running a Hitachi 9900 V Series SAN?  Or
 maybe just the 9900
  series?
  
  
  
  Normally I wouldn't ask such things of an exchange
 group, but the
  diversity and technical expertise here is very good.
  
  e-
  
 
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RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Watkins V
I also have this problem and have not been able to fix it, even after trying
to change the published date rangeI am baffled, we have ex5.5 sp4. Have
checked clocks, date settings etc.  Cannot put anything in a calendar except
things that are happening now!
Any ideas anyone,

thanks

Vanessa Watkins
Royal Holloway, University of London

-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 17 December 2002 13:02
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


This is going to sound crazy but I have a user that is claiming that a
couple of her appointments are disappearing off her calendar.  She swears
she isn't doing anything.  Has anyone ever heard of appointments
legitimately disappearing from the system?  We are running O2002 and EX2000
SP3.

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914



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Smart hosts

2002-12-18 Thread Caines, Max
We are running Exchange 2000 SP3 on two servers in the same organisation. The second 
one has only been added recently, and only has one mailbox on it so far. We set up the 
original server's SMTP virtual server to use a smarthost which is a UNIX server, as it 
isn't accessible from the Internet, and can't access it either. Now we've added the 
second server, and set up its virtual server in a similar way. I was expecting the two 
Exchange servers to communicate directly when handling messages for mailboxes on each 
other (i.e. in the Exchange organisation), but use the smart host for all other mail. 
However, this isn't what's happening. Instead, all messages for mail stores not on the 
same server are going to the UNIX system, and the format of the message bodies looks 
pretty odd (lots of 8-bit data, for example). The SMTP interaction seems to break down 
after the bulk of the message has been received, and the UNIX server claims that the 
Exchange server has gone away (timeout). 

A complication with this is that the primary address for all recipients in the 
organisation ends in a domain that is shared with the UNIX server. However, I've 
followed the instructions in Microsoft's Q321721 (shared address spaces), and until we 
added the second server, all messages were delivered fine, to mailboxes on both the 
Exchange and UNIX server. It's still only the messages between the two Exchange 
servers that have a problem.

Should I be using an SMTP connector rather than just the virtual server? Can anyone 
shed any light on what's going on?


Max Caines
IT Services, University of Wolverhampton
Wolverhampton, West Midlands WV1 1SB
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RE: recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item retenti on=0

2002-12-18 Thread Daniel Chenault
Two choices:
1. Do a Disaster Recovery to a standby server. Extract the necessary data to
a PST. Admonish the user that important mail doesn't go in the Deleted Items
folder.
2. Tell the customer he's toast and show him some best practices.

-Original Message-
From: Jan Novák [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: recover deleted mail items Exchange 5.5, deleted item retention=0
Importance: High


Hi, 
I have an urgent question. One of our customers incidentally deleted some
important mails from deleted items folder. Deleted items retention is set to
0 for private information store, so it cannot be recovered using this
feature. There is no current backup. I know, that mails still probably are
somewhere in exchange database, but marked as white space. Is there any way
to get it back, or is it completely lost ?

If anyone is sure that it is possible or impossible, send me email as
quickly as possible ...

Thanks a lot

Honza Novak

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RE: BellSouth DSL and MS VPN client

2002-12-18 Thread Roger Haxton
We had an issue with Comcast cable blocking PPTP for one of my techs in
Detroit.  Don't know about BellSouth.  Have you called them and asked?  What
I've seen is that some DSL/cable ISP's will block VPN unless you have their
business level service.  

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-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:23
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OT: BellSouth DSL and MS VPN client


Hi all.

Does anyone here use BellSouth DSL service?

I just got it installed and it is working great. However when I am on DSL, I
can't connect to my corporate network with the MS VPN client.

My setup at home is:
Win ME or Win 2K Pro with MS VPN client
BellSouth gave me Westell WireSpeed DSL modem
I bought D-Link 614+ Wireless router. However my PC is wired. D-Link is not
blocking any outgoing traffic.

I have even tried to bypass D-Link and connected straight to the Westell
modem. Still no luck. The Westell modem is actually a router with a firewall
but as far as I can see it is not blocking any outgoing traffic.

I can ping the external IP address of the VPN server. MS VPN client can see
it too but it times out on Verifying username and password and gives error
650.

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Borderware Mxtreme

2002-12-18 Thread James Liddil
Saw a webinar on the Borderware Mxtreme box.  With this box and using their
Borderpost Mail interface this looks like a way to (a) have an alternative to
OWA and it's associated headaches (IIS Lockdown, URLScan) thus (b) close port
80 on our server so that 25 is the only open port.  Am I missing something
and/or over simplifying the issues?  Anyone else looked at the product?

Jim Liddil

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RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Boynton, Todd
Do you have Norton Antivirus installed?  I had this very same problem when I had NAV 
installed.



Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
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-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


This is going to sound crazy but I have a user that is claiming that a couple of her 
appointments are disappearing off her calendar.  She swears she isn't doing anything.  
Has anyone ever heard of appointments legitimately disappearing from the system?  We 
are running O2002 and EX2000 SP3.

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914



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Re: Zantaz

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Scharff
Never heard of it. Do you have a specific set of requirements related to
document retention? 

On 12/17/02 20:48, Johnson, Richard (NY Int) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



Hi All, 

Anyone out here using their offline email vault product? If so what 
are your thoughts? 

Richard Johnson 
212-589-6503 
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RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Bowles, John L.
Does this person work off multiple workstations?  For instance using a laptop (using 
.ost files) and then using a desktop as well?   One thing you might want to check out 
is Q article Q276248.  My users have multiple workstations and can't understand why 
they keep getting duplicates and missing calendar items.  I've told them to either 
dump using .ost files on your laptops or dump the unneeded workstation.  Until then, 
this problem will persist.  So we are no longer supporting people with multiple 
workstations.  Fixed that little problem =]

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-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:30 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Do you have Norton Antivirus installed?  I had this very same problem when I had NAV 
installed.



Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


This is going to sound crazy but I have a user that is claiming that a couple of her 
appointments are disappearing off her calendar.  She swears she isn't doing anything.  
Has anyone ever heard of appointments legitimately disappearing from the system?  We 
are running O2002 and EX2000 SP3.

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914



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Re: Add custom smtp header ?

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Scharff
Yes, it's quite possible. Fishing lesson for the day... 

FAQ | Outlook? | Slipstick! | Search? | header | joy

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On 12/16/02 2:05, Herold Heiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Is it possible to add a custom smtp header to outgoing email with EX5.5 ? 
I'd like to add a X-CUSTOM-something: data to outgoing email. 
More than that, if possible I'd like to add that data from code running in a

custom form. 
Any chances ? 
Heiko 





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Re: AutoUpdate of Public Folder Calendar

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Scharff
Well, the cost of 'fr4ee' is sometimes much higher than one might think.
There may be other solutions out there as well... The folks at Amrein at
least have a long track record in the Exchange space.

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On 12/11/02 12:02, Schneider.Rudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Chris, 

Thanks for the URL.  I was hoping for a no cost solution, but beggars can't 
be choosers. 

thanx, 

rudy ;-) 

-Original Message- 
From:   Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:50 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject:RE: AutoUpdate of Public Folder Calendar 

http://www.amrein.com/apps/page.asp?Q=392 

 -Original Message- 
 From: Schneider.Rudy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:27 PM 
 To: Exchange Discussions 
 
 Exchange 5.5 SP 4 
 Outlook 2K 
 
 I'm able to post my Public Folder\Calendar to our 
 Web/Intranet; however, it's a static display and I'd like to 
 update this automatically when I add/change/delete items from 
 my Public Folder Calendar.  I haven't found any ideas on how 
 to accomplish this.  All of the discussions I've found return 
 me to just save as and this doesn't update automatically. 





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RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Neil Hobson

Indeed.  I believe that things like things can be caused by scanning the M: drive 
(there's a tech article from MS somewhere).

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: 18 December 2002 15:30
Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: Disappearing Calendar Appointments
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Do you have Norton Antivirus installed?  I had this very same problem when I had NAV 
installed.



Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


This is going to sound crazy but I have a user that is claiming that a couple of her 
appointments are disappearing off her calendar.  She swears she isn't doing anything.  
Has anyone ever heard of appointments legitimately disappearing from the system?  We 
are running O2002 and EX2000 SP3.

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914



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Re: basic questions

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Scharff
In general, the vast majority of Exchange customers don't need to do
anything with Exchange virtual servers or smtp connectors. The definition of
domains is handled in the recipient policies and you'll need a policy for
each domain being handled... Which will result in multiple e-mail addresses
per account, but thankfully, in E2K they are auto-generated.

The FAQ has some info on defining recipient policies I believe.

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On 12/10/02 12:45, Yanek Korff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Working on preparing my Exchange 2000 box to accept mail (The 5.5 server is
doing this now).  I'm a little confused about the relationship between SMTP
Connectors, the SMTP virtual server, etc and how mail is routed by domains.
For example...

On my 5.5 server, my IMS is configured under the Routing tab to reroute
incoming SMTP mail for a variety of domains to inbound (well, one is
inbound, the rest route to that).  This enables all users to have only one
set of SMTP addresses (the one that routes to inbound) and all other domains
get rerouted to that domain...

Can someone point me to the appropriate place where I can RTFM? 

-Yanek. 

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Re: Borderware Mxtreme

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Scharff
There are plenty of alternatives to OWA... Are you talking about using their
mail client, or their 'proxy services' for OWA access? If it's the latter,
do you know of any technical differences between their approach and that
used by Whale communications? And.. Are those features compelling over
say... An ISA server protocol filtering of OWA access?

On 12/18/02 9:01, James Liddil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Saw a webinar on the Borderware Mxtreme box.  With this box and using their 
Borderpost Mail interface this looks like a way to (a) have an alternative
to 
OWA and it's associated headaches (IIS Lockdown, URLScan) thus (b) close
port 
80 on our server so that 25 is the only open port.  Am I missing something 
and/or over simplifying the issues?  Anyone else looked at the product? 



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RE: Borderware Mxtreme

2002-12-18 Thread James Liddil
Don't know but thanks for pointinng out some things I should look at.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Borderware Mxtreme


There are plenty of alternatives to OWA... Are you talking about using their
mail client, or their 'proxy services' for OWA access? If it's the latter, do
you know of any technical differences between their approach and that used by
Whale communications? And.. Are those features compelling over say... An ISA
server protocol filtering of OWA access?

On 12/18/02 9:01, James Liddil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Saw a webinar on the Borderware Mxtreme box.  With this box and using their 
Borderpost Mail interface this looks like a way to (a) have an alternative to

OWA and it's associated headaches (IIS Lockdown, URLScan) thus (b) close port

80 on our server so that 25 is the only open port.  Am I missing something 
and/or over simplifying the issues?  Anyone else looked at the product? 



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RE: Add custom smtp header ?

2002-12-18 Thread Herold Heiko
Argh.
I *did* check cdolive and slipstick, but still missed it. And found it, now.
Thanks
Heiko Herold

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 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:48 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Add custom smtp header ?
 
 
 Yes, it's quite possible. Fishing lesson for the day... 
 
 FAQ | Outlook? | Slipstick! | Search? | header | joy
 
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 On 12/16/02 2:05, Herold Heiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Is it possible to add a custom smtp header to outgoing email 
 with EX5.5 ? 
 I'd like to add a X-CUSTOM-something: data to outgoing email. 
 More than that, if possible I'd like to add that data from 
 code running in a
 
 custom form. 
 Any chances ? 
 Heiko 
 
 
 
 
 
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Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread James Liddil
Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work
address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Add custom smtp header ?

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
CHECK THE FAQ's

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Herold Heiko
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Add custom smtp header ?


Argh.
I *did* check cdolive and slipstick, but still missed it. And found it,
now. Thanks Heiko Herold

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 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:48 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Add custom smtp header ?
 
 
 Yes, it's quite possible. Fishing lesson for the day...
 
 FAQ | Outlook? | Slipstick! | Search? | header | joy
 
 --
 Chris Scharff, MVP-Exchange
 MessageOne
 
 Exchange Monitoring  Reporting:http://www.messageone.com/MV.asp
 Free Custom OWA Screens: http://www.messageone.com/m1owa/index.asp
 
 
 On 12/16/02 2:05, Herold Heiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Is it possible to add a custom smtp header to outgoing email
 with EX5.5 ? 
 I'd like to add a X-CUSTOM-something: data to outgoing email. 
 More than that, if possible I'd like to add that data from 
 code running in a
 
 custom form.
 Any chances ? 
 Heiko 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
No you should let it go. It's a pretty good news letter. Check out the
site and see what I mean, they basically talk about how screwed up some
company policies are and they have good stories on them. Thus the name

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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Re: Borderware Mxtreme

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Scharff
No problem... Somewhere around here, I think I have an overview whitepaper
on the subject. If I can find it, I'll mail it to you offline.

On 12/18/02 10:09, James Liddil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Don't know but thanks for pointinng out some things I should look at. 

Jim 

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:09 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: Borderware Mxtreme 


There are plenty of alternatives to OWA... Are you talking about using their

mail client, or their 'proxy services' for OWA access? If it's the latter,
do 
you know of any technical differences between their approach and that used
by 
Whale communications? And.. Are those features compelling over say... An ISA

server protocol filtering of OWA access? 

On 12/18/02 9:01, James Liddil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Saw a webinar on the Borderware Mxtreme box.  With this box and using their 
Borderpost Mail interface this looks like a way to (a) have an alternative
to 

OWA and it's associated headaches (IIS Lockdown, URLScan) thus (b) close
port 

80 on our server so that 25 is the only open port.  Am I missing something 
and/or over simplifying the issues?  Anyone else looked at the product? 



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Re: Add custom smtp header ?

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Scharff
Ah.. If you'd shown your work, I would have just passed on the slipstick
URL. ;)

On 12/18/02 10:09, Herold Heiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Argh. 
I *did* check cdolive and slipstick, but still missed it. And found it, now.

Thanks 
Heiko Herold 





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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Drew Nicholson
Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone?

Drew Nicholson
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-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
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Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
You could also argue that the content on that website leads to better
business decisions within your own company, by pointing out the
stupidity of others

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:33 AM
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One could argue that the newsletter is similar to subscribing to the WSJ
newsletter or a Motley Fool newsletter, since it provides insight into
companies which may be in your industry or which the user might be
invested. I browse the f-kedcompany.com website once a month at least to
see what's going on in the industry... I've even forwarded content to my
boss.  Not knowing what the company policy is though.. Not sure I can
offer guidance.

On 12/18/02 10:14, James Liddil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the 
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other 
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide?

My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely 
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work 
address. 

Jim Liddil 

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread James Liddil
I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped?  Sure
it is a fine line.

Jim

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To: Exchange Discussions
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Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone?

Drew Nicholson
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312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work
address.

Jim Liddil

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Re: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Andy David
Check with HR. Put the ball in their court.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped?  Sure
it is a fine line.

Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work
address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Drew Nicholson
If they forward that email, and someone gets offended, it's a different
issue.  But simply subscribing to it?

Drew Nicholson
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-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:24 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped?
Sure it is a fine line.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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Re: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Alexander Wall
  I just figure out whether I like the person or not, and base it on my personal 
opinion.  It's good to be king!

  ;-)

Alex

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From: Drew Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 09:43
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


If they forward that email, and someone gets offended, it's a different
issue.  But simply subscribing to it?

Drew Nicholson
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LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:24 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped?
Sure it is a fine line.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Tom Meunier
Jim,

Phytoceutica is a big company that makes really complex medicine-thingies.  You have 
access to brilliant lawyers.  WTF are you talking to a bunch of techno-weenies for?  
Print out your AUP and go walk into your general counsel's office.

-tom

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:24 AM
Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
Conversation: Blocking a newsletter
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


I agree but what about when the mail contains phrases like @ss-raped?  Sure
it is a fine line.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Do you tell your employees to not curse while talking on the phone?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely
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Jim Liddil

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Holidays in Outlook 2000 Problem

2002-12-18 Thread Edwards, Aaron
Hi,

When any of our users add holidays in Outlook 2000, it adds them just fine for 2002 
but not 2003. It's like they aren't reoccurring. We are running Exchange 2000 and have 
about 750 users. I have tried changing the computer clock to 2003 and then adding 
holidays but they still only populate 2002. I can't seem to find any KB articles on 
this. Has anyone seen this behavior?

Thanks,

Aaron

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Re: Holidays in Outlook 2000 Problem

2002-12-18 Thread Andy David
Upgrade to Outlook 2002 and you will be good to go until 2005.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:16 PM
Subject: Holidays in Outlook 2000 Problem


Hi,

When any of our users add holidays in Outlook 2000, it adds them just fine
for 2002 but not 2003. It's like they aren't reoccurring. We are running
Exchange 2000 and have about 750 users. I have tried changing the computer
clock to 2003 and then adding holidays but they still only populate 2002. I
can't seem to find any KB articles on this. Has anyone seen this behavior?

Thanks,

Aaron

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RE: Holidays in Outlook 2000 Problem

2002-12-18 Thread Steve Aldred
Office 2000 does not include holidays past 2002. You will need to create or
find a new outlook.txt file with future holidays in it. If you search Google
or the archives you can find some links to new holiday files.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Edwards, Aaron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
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Hi,

When any of our users add holidays in Outlook 2000, it adds them just fine
for 2002 but not 2003. It's like they aren't reoccurring. We are running
Exchange 2000 and have about 750 users. I have tried changing the computer
clock to 2003 and then adding holidays but they still only populate 2002. I
can't seem to find any KB articles on this. Has anyone seen this behavior?

Thanks,

Aaron

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RE: Holidays in Outlook 2000 Problem

2002-12-18 Thread Ken Cornetet
Find your outlook.txt file and manually add the missing holidays. Then,
go back to outlook and re-add holidays.

-Original Message-
From: Edwards, Aaron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Holidays in Outlook 2000 Problem


Hi,

When any of our users add holidays in Outlook 2000, it adds them just
fine for 2002 but not 2003. It's like they aren't reoccurring. We are
running Exchange 2000 and have about 750 users. I have tried changing
the computer clock to 2003 and then adding holidays but they still only
populate 2002. I can't seem to find any KB articles on this. Has anyone
seen this behavior?

Thanks,

Aaron

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RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Boynton, Todd
Here's a couple links describing this issue.

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ent-security.nsf/9d94c8571a91ba4788256bf3007f62b5/8b773850a36516fe88256c2f007e436d?OpenDocumentprev=http://search.symantec.com/custom/us/techsupp/enterprise/kb/query.html?*col=kb%20us*st=1*nh=10*pcode=*qp=url:/ent-security.nsf/9d94c8571a91ba4788256bf3007f62b5,,,*qt=%2Bexchange%20%2B2000*miniver=sav_8_ce*sone=sav_8_ce_tasks.html*stg=*prod=Symantec%20AntiVirus*ver=8.0%20Corporate%20Edition*base=http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/enterprise/products/sav/sav_8_ce/*next=*boolean=andsone=sav_8_ce_tasks.htmlstg=prod=Symantec%20AntiVirusver=8.0%20Corporate%20Editionbase=http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/enterprise/products/sav/sav_8_ce/next=src=entpcode=dtype=corpsvy=

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;301234

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments



Indeed.  I believe that things like things can be caused by scanning the M: drive 
(there's a tech article from MS somewhere).

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: 18 December 2002 15:30
Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: Disappearing Calendar Appointments
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Do you have Norton Antivirus installed?  I had this very same problem when I had NAV 
installed.



Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


This is going to sound crazy but I have a user that is claiming that a couple of her 
appointments are disappearing off her calendar.  She swears she isn't doing anything.  
Has anyone ever heard of appointments legitimately disappearing from the system?  We 
are running O2002 and EX2000 SP3.

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
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Re: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Andy David
Those arent links, thats the whole pig.

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From: Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Here's a couple links describing this issue.

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ent-security.nsf/9d94c8571a91ba4788256b
f3007f62b5/8b773850a36516fe88256c2f007e436d?OpenDocumentprev=http://search.
symantec.com/custom/us/techsupp/enterprise/kb/query.html?*col=kb%20us*st=1*n
h=10*pcode=*qp=url:/ent-security.nsf/9d94c8571a91ba4788256bf3007f62b5,,,*qt=
%2Bexchange%20%2B2000*miniver=sav_8_ce*sone=sav_8_ce_tasks.html*stg=*prod=Sy
mantec%20AntiVirus*ver=8.0%20Corporate%20Edition*base=http://www.symantec.co
m/techsupp/enterprise/products/sav/sav_8_ce/*next=*boolean=andsone=sav_8_ce
_tasks.htmlstg=prod=Symantec%20AntiVirusver=8.0%20Corporate%20Editionbas
e=http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/enterprise/products/sav/sav_8_ce/next=s
rc=entpcode=dtype=corpsvy=

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;301234

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-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments



Indeed.  I believe that things like things can be caused by scanning the M:
drive (there's a tech article from MS somewhere).

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: 18 December 2002 15:30
Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: Disappearing Calendar Appointments
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Do you have Norton Antivirus installed?  I had this very same problem when I
had NAV installed.



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-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


This is going to sound crazy but I have a user that is claiming that a
couple of her appointments are disappearing off her calendar.  She swears
she isn't doing anything.  Has anyone ever heard of appointments
legitimately disappearing from the system?  We are running O2002 and EX2000
SP3.

Thank you,

Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914



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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Rachel Pickens
From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you 
doing browsing someone else' mail?
Its bad form, and can get you fired.
If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced.
Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception 
will become a chink in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking 
advice from Hummert is a bad idea.
Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places 
Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work
address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
Forums.somethingawful.com come join us in FYAD..you'll love it there
:)


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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can
get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what
is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour
that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell
you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do
it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert
considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of
my skin. Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread James Liddil
Management knows I run scanmail with emanager and have the filter to catch
profanity among other things.  When a message meets the criteria it is
archived and I look at the messages only then.  I have already made the
decision to make no exceptions and expect everyone to follow the AUP.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what
are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you
fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally
enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and
that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and
abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work
address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Boynton, Todd
I was some surprised when I pasted it.  Sorry it was so long



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-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Those arent links, thats the whole pig.

- Original Message -
From: Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Here's a couple links describing this issue.

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ent-security.nsf/9d94c8571a91ba4788
256b
f3007f62b5/8b773850a36516fe88256c2f007e436d?OpenDocumentprev=http://sea
rch.
symantec.com/custom/us/techsupp/enterprise/kb/query.html?*col=kb%20us*st
=1*n
h=10*pcode=*qp=url:/ent-security.nsf/9d94c8571a91ba4788256bf3007f62b5,,,
*qt=
%2Bexchange%20%2B2000*miniver=sav_8_ce*sone=sav_8_ce_tasks.html*stg=*pro
d=Sy
mantec%20AntiVirus*ver=8.0%20Corporate%20Edition*base=http://www.symante
c.co
m/techsupp/enterprise/products/sav/sav_8_ce/*next=*boolean=andsone=sav_
8_ce
_tasks.htmlstg=prod=Symantec%20AntiVirusver=8.0%20Corporate%20Edition
bas
e=http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/enterprise/products/sav/sav_8_ce/nex
t=s
rc=entpcode=dtype=corpsvy=

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;301234

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-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments



Indeed.  I believe that things like things can be caused by scanning the
M:
drive (there's a tech article from MS somewhere).

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: 18 December 2002 15:30
Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: Disappearing Calendar Appointments
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Do you have Norton Antivirus installed?  I had this very same problem
when I
had NAV installed.



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== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System




-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


This is going to sound crazy but I have a user that is claiming that a
couple of her appointments are disappearing off her calendar.  She
swears
she isn't doing anything.  Has anyone ever heard of appointments
legitimately disappearing from the system?  We are running O2002 and
EX2000
SP3.

Thank you,

Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914



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RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
I have been away for awhile today but yes we do have NAV CE installed.
How did you fix it if that was it.

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914

-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

I was some surprised when I pasted it.  Sorry it was so long



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-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Those arent links, thats the whole pig.

- Original Message -
From: Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Here's a couple links describing this issue.

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ent-security.nsf/9d94c8571a91ba4788
256b
f3007f62b5/8b773850a36516fe88256c2f007e436d?OpenDocumentprev=http://sea
rch.
symantec.com/custom/us/techsupp/enterprise/kb/query.html?*col=kb%20us*st
=1*n
h=10*pcode=*qp=url:/ent-security.nsf/9d94c8571a91ba4788256bf3007f62b5,,,
*qt=
%2Bexchange%20%2B2000*miniver=sav_8_ce*sone=sav_8_ce_tasks.html*stg=*pro
d=Sy
mantec%20AntiVirus*ver=8.0%20Corporate%20Edition*base=http://www.symante
c.co
m/techsupp/enterprise/products/sav/sav_8_ce/*next=*boolean=andsone=sav_
8_ce
_tasks.htmlstg=prod=Symantec%20AntiVirusver=8.0%20Corporate%20Edition
bas
e=http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/enterprise/products/sav/sav_8_ce/nex
t=s
rc=entpcode=dtype=corpsvy=

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;301234

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-Original Message-
From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments



Indeed.  I believe that things like things can be caused by scanning the
M:
drive (there's a tech article from MS somewhere).

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: 18 December 2002 15:30
Posted To: Swynk Exchange List
Conversation: Disappearing Calendar Appointments
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Do you have Norton Antivirus installed?  I had this very same problem
when I
had NAV installed.



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== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
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-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


This is going to sound crazy but I have a user that is claiming that a
couple of her appointments are disappearing off her calendar.  She
swears
she isn't doing anything.  Has anyone ever heard of appointments
legitimately disappearing from the system?  We are running O2002 and
EX2000
SP3.

Thank you,

Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914



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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember --
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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Re: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Alexander Wall
  Well, that opens an entirely different discussion.  We drafted a consent form that 
every employee must sign, giving us access to
any and all information coming in or out of the company's communications avenues, and 
it's kept in the employee's file.
  In this day and age, with human rights litigation running rampant, a company can 
no longer count on the common-sense approach to
privacy issues.

Alex


- Original Message -
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember --
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
Damn liberals keep screwing everything up

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alexander Wall
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter


  Well, that opens an entirely different discussion.  We drafted a
consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and
all information coming in or out of the company's communications
avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file.
  In this day and age, with human rights litigation running rampant, a
company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy
issues.

Alex


- Original Message -
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse
ANYONE's mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be
anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else
seeing.  Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.
It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can
get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what
is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour
that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell
you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do
it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert
considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of
my skin. Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Mellott, Bill
block it all...

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Damn liberals keep screwing everything up

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alexander Wall
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter


  Well, that opens an entirely different discussion.  We drafted a
consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and
all information coming in or out of the company's communications
avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file.
  In this day and age, with human rights litigation running rampant, a
company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy
issues.

Alex


- Original Message -
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse
ANYONE's mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be
anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else
seeing.  Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.
It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can
get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what
is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour
that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell
you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do
it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert
considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of
my skin. Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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Re: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Andy David
Damn Hummerts keep posting.

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Hummert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Damn liberals keep screwing everything up

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alexander Wall
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter


  Well, that opens an entirely different discussion.  We drafted a
consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and
all information coming in or out of the company's communications
avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file.
  In this day and age, with human rights litigation running rampant, a
company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy
issues.

Alex


- Original Message -
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse
ANYONE's mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be
anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else
seeing.  Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.
It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can
get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what
is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour
that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell
you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do
it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert
considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of
my skin. Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Rachel Pickens
No need to shout. 
Yes he has the right, but it should be excercised with caution and the boss backing 
you 100%.
But the way it the original message read to me ( and that perception has been cleared 
up) He could have been randomly sampling for his own amusement. He wasn't. I have 
known very ignorant or un-ethical admins. that would and do. Don't look at the clients 
email without a reason. He had reason and policy backing him, and he chose to stick 
with policy. Very ethical of him.

rachel

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember --
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
We just went through the same thing pertaining strictly to emails.  No
personal emails that you wouldn't want the Company to see and access at all
times to anyone's mailbox.  In this day and age, too many lawsuits are
swayed by emails that documented an employee or employer's actions.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Alexander Wall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:54 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter


  Well, that opens an entirely different discussion.  We drafted a consent
form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and all
information coming in or out of the company's communications avenues, and
it's kept in the employee's file.
  In this day and age, with human rights litigation running rampant, a
company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy issues.

Alex


- Original Message -
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember --
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Depp, Dennis M.
While I agree the mail belongs to the company and the company has the right to review 
anyone's email, has that responsiblitiy been passed down simply because I am an 
Exchange Administrator?  I don't think so.  The company has that privlege, but unless 
they transfer that responsibility to you, I would be carefull.  However, if it is 
something you would see in the course of doing your daily job, then that is different.

Dennis 

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail.  That 
mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser 
would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember -- the email is on Company's 
equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you 
doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have 
been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end 
user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink 
in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking 
advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says 
so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to 
scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the 
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the 
newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask 
the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not 
have this kind of thing sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Archie Call
Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to be
turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on this
newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I have
looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this discussion.  I
remember someone who wrote a little story that was very convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address; much
increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
I hate those guys

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter


Damn Hummerts keep posting.

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Hummert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Damn liberals keep screwing everything up

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alexander Wall
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter


  Well, that opens an entirely different discussion.  We drafted a
consent form that every employee must sign, giving us access to any and
all information coming in or out of the company's communications
avenues, and it's kept in the employee's file.
  In this day and age, with human rights litigation running rampant, a
company can no longer count on the common-sense approach to privacy
issues.

Alex


- Original Message -
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:47
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse
ANYONE's mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be
anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else
seeing.  Remember -- the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.
It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can
get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what
is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour
that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell
you, taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do
it because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert
considers normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of
my skin. Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide? My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and
then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing
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Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
I disagree with you.  As an Exchange Administrator, it is part of your job
to look at other people's mailboxes, whether to troubleshoot a problem, or
if asked to by their manager/supervisor.  As any Mail Administrator should
tell you, you are entrusted with being trusted.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


While I agree the mail belongs to the company and the company has the right
to review anyone's email, has that responsiblitiy been passed down simply
because I am an Exchange Administrator?  I don't think so.  The company has
that privlege, but unless they transfer that responsibility to you, I would
be carefull.  However, if it is something you would see in the course of
doing your daily job, then that is different.

Dennis 

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember --
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Robert Moir
My gut reaction would be to take a hit of diet pepsi and ask myself why I felt so 
threatened by this newsletter. If i still felt this way after i finished the whole 
can, I'd probably go and ask them why, and if it were not for work purposes I'd ask 
them to consider unsubbing. 
 
But then by the time I drunk a whole tin of pepsi I would probably have remembered 
something else more important to the running of the network to do instead.

-Original Message- 
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wed 18/12/2002 16:14 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Cc: 
Subject: Blocking a newsletter



Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then politely
ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a work
address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Drew Nicholson
that's not necessarily true.  Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he 
has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it.  He has to be tasked with 
it.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail.  That 
mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser 
would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember -- the email is on Company's 
equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you 
doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have 
been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end 
user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink 
in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking 
advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says 
so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to 
scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the 
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the 
newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask 
the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not 
have this kind of thing sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Roger Seielstad
No, no they don't.

In fact, I know of multiple occasions in which people (including coworkers
of mine) were fired for accessing someone else's mailbox without prior
approval.

Yes, the email is the company's property. That does not imply, however, that
the admins can look through it at their leisure. In most companies,
including every one in which I have worked, its an instantly terminatable
offense.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter
 
 
 Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to 
 browse ANYONE's
 mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't 
 be anything in
 there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing. 
  Remember --
 the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.
 
 Gèoff...
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter
 
 
 From my point of view:
 If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a 
 written order,
 what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, 
 and can get
 you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
 normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
 exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your 
 armour that
 will be used and abused by everyone.
 
 I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I 
 must tell you,
 taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
 because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places 
 Hummert considers
 normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
 Sincerly,
 
 Rachel
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Blocking a newsletter
 
 
 Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to 
 be) to the
 f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
 profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy 
 or let it slide?
 My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
 politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of 
 thing sent to a
 work address.
 
 Jim Liddil
 
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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Candee Vaglica
This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to be
turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on this
newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I have
looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this discussion.  I
remember someone who wrote a little story that was very convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address; much
increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send numerous
messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
That's not true.  As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to
call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to
be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the
CEO or CFO.  You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents.
But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity.  Highly
sensitive documents are passed through the mail system.  You are expected
not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager
has been sending emails out about.  It may not be written in some companies,
but it is written in others.  And I learned that the more you stay out of
people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive
documents.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


that's not necessarily true.  Unless he's been told to do it (which it
appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it.  He
has to be tasked with it.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember --
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Roger Seielstad
My gut reaction to taking a hit of Diet Pepsi would be to hurl. 

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:10 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter
 
 
 My gut reaction would be to take a hit of diet pepsi and ask 
 myself why I felt so threatened by this newsletter. If i 
 still felt this way after i finished the whole can, I'd 
 probably go and ask them why, and if it were not for work 
 purposes I'd ask them to consider unsubbing. 
  
 But then by the time I drunk a whole tin of pepsi I would 
 probably have remembered something else more important to the 
 running of the network to do instead.
 
   -Original Message- 
   From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Sent: Wed 18/12/2002 16:14 
   To: Exchange Discussions 
   Cc: 
   Subject: Blocking a newsletter
   
   
 
   Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or 
 appears to be) to the
   f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name 
 there is other
   profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company 
 policy or let it slide?
   My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are 
 subscribed and then politely
   ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing 
 sent to a work
   address.
   
   Jim Liddil
   
   
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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
I disagree with you.  As an Exchange Administrator, granted specific
permissions, I have that ability.

I for one, NEVER access users' mailboxes.  Ever.  Should there be such a
need the manager of the person requesting access is granted access.

Such access is not a 'right'.  

William Lefkovics
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey
Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

I disagree with you.  As an Exchange Administrator, it is part of your
job
to look at other people's mailboxes, whether to troubleshoot a problem,
or
if asked to by their manager/supervisor.  As any Mail Administrator
should
tell you, you are entrusted with being trusted.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


While I agree the mail belongs to the company and the company has the
right
to review anyone's email, has that responsiblitiy been passed down
simply
because I am an Exchange Administrator?  I don't think so.  The company
has
that privlege, but unless they transfer that responsibility to you, I
would
be carefull.  However, if it is something you would see in the course of
doing your daily job, then that is different.

Dennis 

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse
ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything
in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember
--
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can
get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour
that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell
you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert
considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to
a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
Of course they know... they made the decision to run it, right?

William 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:21 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

Management knows I run scanmail with emanager and have the filter to
catch
profanity among other things.  When a message meets the criteria it is
archived and I look at the messages only then.  I have already made the
decision to make no exceptions and expect everyone to follow the AUP.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what
are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you
fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally
enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception,
and
that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used
and
abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell
you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert
considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel


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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
there is implicit trust

That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not
touching it.

William 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey
Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

That's not true.  As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want
to
call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your
power to
be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say,
the
CEO or CFO.  You have the power to view payroll and accounting
documents.
But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity.
Highly
sensitive documents are passed through the mail system.  You are
expected
not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other
manager
has been sending emails out about.  It may not be written in some
companies,
but it is written in others.  And I learned that the more you stay out
of
people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive
documents.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


that's not necessarily true.  Unless he's been told to do it (which it
appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it.
He
has to be tasked with it.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse
ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything
in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember
--
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can
get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour
that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell
you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert
considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it
slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to
a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Drew Nicholson
Um, no.  Even though I am the Lan Manager for my company, I have not been given 
permission to go rifling through the payroll documents or the CEO's email.  I have the 
ability to recover docs when necessary, and look at stuff when told to, but being made 
an Admin does NOT give me ANY implicit trusts.  The only tasks I do are ones that I 
have been specifically given.  Since my boss has not told me to monitor employees' 
mail for specific kinds of newsletters, I am not allowed to do so, and if I did, I 
could (rightly) be fired.

If it's specifically written down, then it's not implied.  there is a difference.  
www.dictionary.com?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


That's not true.  As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to call 
yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to be able to 
view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the CEO or CFO.  You 
have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, 
it is a position of high sensitivity.  Highly sensitive documents are passed through 
the mail system.  You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what your 
boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about.  It may not be written 
in some companies, but it is written in others.  And I learned that the more you stay 
out of people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive 
documents.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


that's not necessarily true.  Unless he's been told to do it (which it appears he 
has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it.  He has to be tasked with 
it.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail.  That 
mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in there that an enduser 
would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember -- the email is on Company's 
equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what are you 
doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you fired. If you have 
been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally enforced. Don't ask the end 
user. They will talk you into an exception, and that one exception will become a chink 
in your armour that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, taking 
advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it because Hummert says 
so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers normal and it makes me want to 
scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the 
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other profanity in the 
newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide? My gut reaction is to ask 
the person if they are subscribed and then politely ask them to unsubscribe and not 
have this kind of thing sent to a work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
Like I said, in some companies they do, in others, they realize that the
Mail Administrator has access to everything on the Network, and knows there
has to be a certain amount of trust to go along with that title.  As far as
accessing other people's mailboxes, how do you troubleshoot what problems
them might be having?  We open Users' mailboxes that are having problems,
inside out own mailbox and also log into their mailbox with their
credentials 3 or 4 times a day.  We then ask them to change their password.
But all Mail Administrators know that if you know certain AD accounts and
their passwords, you can get into anybody's mailbox.  But does that mean you
should?  No.  I have never just randomly selected someone's mailbox and
opened it to see what the contents were.  But I have worked with some people
who have done it.  There's where the trust has to come into play.  I even
showed management that they had logged into some very highly sensitive
mailboxes.  They then asked me to monitor their whereabouts on the Network
and were eventually let go.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


 
there is implicit trust

That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not
touching it.

William 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey
Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

That's not true.  As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to
call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to
be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the
CEO or CFO.  You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents.
But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly
sensitive documents are passed through the mail system.  You are expected
not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager
has been sending emails out about.  It may not be written in some companies,
but it is written in others.  And I learned that the more you stay out of
people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive
documents.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


that's not necessarily true.  Unless he's been told to do it (which it
appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He
has to be tasked with it.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember
--
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments

2002-12-18 Thread Boynton, Todd
This is from Symantec document:2002090916040948  


Solution:
Symantec AV only protects the file system on an Exchange server and not
Exchange server itself. The protection of the Exchange server is the
role of a product like Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft
Exchange (SAVFMSE). Certain folders must be excluded from scanning by
Symantec AV. If Symantec AV scans the Exchange structure or the SAVFMSE
temp folder, it can cause false positive virus detections, unexpected
behavior on the Exchange server, or damage to the Exchange databases.
This is true of all antivirus programs running on Exchange servers. For
more information, see the Microsoft Knowledge Base article XGEN:
Recommendations for Troubleshooting an Exchange Computer with Antivirus
Software Installed - ID Q245822.

To access the Microsoft Knowledge Base, connect to
http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp and search for the specific
article ID number.

NOTE: The location of these documents is subject to change without
notice. Symantec provides these links as a convenience only. The
inclusion of such links does not imply that Symantec endorses,
recommends, or accepts any responsibility for the content of such sites.

For more information, see the Symantec Legal Notice.

The details in the following sections cover the folders that can be
safely scanned or need to be excluded when Symantec AV or other Symantec
products are installed. 

File system antivirus software can safely scan the following folders:
Exchsrvr\Address 
Exchsrvr\Bin 
Exchsrvr\Conndata 
Exchsrvr\Exchweb 
Exchsrvr\Res 
Exchsrvr\Schema 

Folders to exclude when using file system antivirus software:
Exchange 5.5
Exchange databases (default location: Exchsrvr\Mdbdata)
Exchange MTA files (default location: Exchsrvr\Mtadata)
Exchange temporary files - tmp.edb
NOTE: This file may be in more than one location.

Additional log files (default location/name: Exchsrvr\server_name.log)
NOTE: This file is not always found on Exchange 5.5.

Site Replication Service (SRS) files (default location:
Exchsrvr\Srsdata) 
NOTE: This file is not always found on Exchange 5.5.

Inbox for Internet Mail Connector (default location:
Exchsrvr\IMCDATA\IN) - MSE 5.5
Internet Information Service (IIS) system files
(drive:\Winnt\System32\Inetsrv)

Exchange 2000
The Installable File System (IFS) (default location: drive M)
Exchange databases (default location: Exchsrvr\Mdbdata)
Exchange MTA files (default location: Exchsrvr\Mtadata)
Exchange temporary files: tmp.edb
NOTE: This file may be in more than one location.

Additional log files (default location: Exchsrvr\server_name .log)
Virtual server folder (default location: Exchsrvr\Mailroot)
Site Replication Service (SRS) files (default location:
Exchsrvr\Srsdata)
Internet Information Service (IIS) system files
(drive:\Winnt\System32\Inetsrv)

Exclude the Temp folders when the following Symantec programs are
installed
Norton AntiVirus 2.x for Microsoft Exchange
drive:\Program Files\NAVMSE\Temp
Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering 3.0 for Microsoft Exchange
drive:\Program Files\Symantec\SAVFMSE\Temp

NOTE: The exclusion of the above Temp folders is critical to the
operation of the products. Each uses the temp folder as a processing
folder.


Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: (207)561-3549IP Phone: 13549

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Gonzalez, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


I have been away for awhile today but yes we do have NAV CE installed.
How did you fix it if that was it.

Thank you,
 
Alex Gonzalez
Senior Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914

-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

I was some surprised when I pasted it.  Sorry it was so long



Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Disappearing Calendar Appointments


Those arent links, thats the whole pig.

- Original Message -
From: Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: 

RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
That's what I said in the beginning.  You may the rights to do it, but
that doesn't mean you should.  I don't go anywhere that a manager or
supervisor tells me to.  We get User requests all the time asking for access
to a User's mailbox that has left the Company.  We bounce it back to them
and tell them they need managerial approval.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Um, no.  Even though I am the Lan Manager for my company, I have not been
given permission to go rifling through the payroll documents or the CEO's
email.  I have the ability to recover docs when necessary, and look at stuff
when told to, but being made an Admin does NOT give me ANY implicit trusts.
The only tasks I do are ones that I have been specifically given.  Since my
boss has not told me to monitor employees' mail for specific kinds of
newsletters, I am not allowed to do so, and if I did, I could (rightly) be
fired.

If it's specifically written down, then it's not implied.  there is a
difference.  www.dictionary.com?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


That's not true.  As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to
call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to
be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the
CEO or CFO.  You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents.
But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity.  Highly
sensitive documents are passed through the mail system.  You are expected
not to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager
has been sending emails out about.  It may not be written in some companies,
but it is written in others.  And I learned that the more you stay out of
people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive
documents.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


that's not necessarily true.  Unless he's been told to do it (which it
appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it.  He
has to be tasked with it.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember --
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that
will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Blocking a newsletter


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?
My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a
work address.

Jim Liddil

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Drew Nicholson
I think you need to check the Dictionary.com site again.  

As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail.

That implies not only the ability, but the sanction.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


That's what I said in the beginning.  You may the rights to do it, but that doesn't 
mean you should.  I don't go anywhere that a manager or supervisor tells me to.  We 
get User requests all the time asking for access to a User's mailbox that has left the 
Company.  We bounce it back to them and tell them they need managerial approval.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Um, no.  Even though I am the Lan Manager for my company, I have not been given 
permission to go rifling through the payroll documents or the CEO's email.  I have the 
ability to recover docs when necessary, and look at stuff when told to, but being made 
an Admin does NOT give me ANY implicit trusts. The only tasks I do are ones that I 
have been specifically given.  Since my boss has not told me to monitor employees' 
mail for specific kinds of newsletters, I am not allowed to do so, and if I did, I 
could (rightly) be fired.

If it's specifically written down, then it's not implied.  there is a difference.  
www.dictionary.com?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
Funny.  My dictionary doesn't have the word Exchange Administrator in it.
Oh well, guess everything I said before you can forget.  LOL

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


I think you need to check the Dictionary.com site again.  

As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's mail.

That implies not only the ability, but the sanction.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


That's what I said in the beginning.  You may the rights to do it, but
that doesn't mean you should.  I don't go anywhere that a manager or
supervisor tells me to.  We get User requests all the time asking for access
to a User's mailbox that has left the Company.  We bounce it back to them
and tell them they need managerial approval.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Um, no.  Even though I am the Lan Manager for my company, I have not been
given permission to go rifling through the payroll documents or the CEO's
email.  I have the ability to recover docs when necessary, and look at stuff
when told to, but being made an Admin does NOT give me ANY implicit trusts.
The only tasks I do are ones that I have been specifically given.  Since my
boss has not told me to monitor employees' mail for specific kinds of
newsletters, I am not allowed to do so, and if I did, I could (rightly) be
fired.

If it's specifically written down, then it's not implied.  there is a
difference.  www.dictionary.com?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


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RE: basic questions

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
Very true.

FWIW:
XCON: When to Create SMTP Connectors in Exchange 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q294736

William 
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions

In general, the vast majority of Exchange customers don't need to do
anything with Exchange virtual servers or smtp connectors. The
definition of
domains is handled in the recipient policies and you'll need a policy
for
each domain being handled... Which will result in multiple e-mail
addresses
per account, but thankfully, in E2K they are auto-generated.

The FAQ has some info on defining recipient policies I believe.

-- 
Chris Scharff, MVP-Exchange
MessageOne

Emergency Messaging System: http://www.messageone.com/EMS.asp
Free Custom OWA Screens:http://www.messageone.com/m1owa/index.asp



On 12/10/02 12:45, Yanek Korff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Working on preparing my Exchange 2000 box to accept mail (The 5.5 server
is
doing this now).  I'm a little confused about the relationship between
SMTP
Connectors, the SMTP virtual server, etc and how mail is routed by
domains.
For example...

On my 5.5 server, my IMS is configured under the Routing tab to reroute
incoming SMTP mail for a variety of domains to inbound (well, one is
inbound, the rest route to that).  This enables all users to have only
one
set of SMTP addresses (the one that routes to inbound) and all other
domains
get rerouted to that domain...

Can someone point me to the appropriate place where I can RTFM? 

-Yanek. 


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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Friese, Casey
Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away.
Please
don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional to send you
an ascii answering machine message like this.
/Tom Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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Re: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Scharff
IANAL, but I do know that the legality of accessing mail in a mailbox varies
greatly depending on the jurisdiction. And since IANAL, I know better than
to try and figure out whether it may or may not be legal for myself or
someone else to do so. I leave that determination to the blood sucking ogres
we pay to know such things.

On 12/18/02 13:47, Dale Geoffrey Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's 
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in 
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember -- 
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS. 

Gèoff... 


-Original Message- 
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter 


From my point of view: 
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, 
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get 
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is 
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an 
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that 
will be used and abused by everyone. 

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, 
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it 
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers 
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. 
Sincerly, 

Rachel 

-Original Message- 
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Blocking a newsletter 


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the 
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other 
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?

My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then 
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a 
work address. 

Jim Liddil 

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
That Tom is that rare jewel... a wise Texan.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away.
Please
don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional to send you
an ascii answering machine message like this.
/Tom Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.


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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread James Liddil
Gee I never thought that what I thought was a simply query would go this far.
As much as I think the f^ckedcompnay.com and internalmemos.com are eye
opening one still needs to keep in mind that ones job is to enforce the
policy.  Management easily forgets what they agreed to until some employee
gets bent about seeing a picture or reading something offensive.  Then all
hell breaks loose.  And indeed as with any job there are ethics of behavior.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Like I said, in some companies they do, in others, they realize that the Mail
Administrator has access to everything on the Network, and knows there has to
be a certain amount of trust to go along with that title.  As far as
accessing other people's mailboxes, how do you troubleshoot what problems
them might be having?  We open Users' mailboxes that are having problems,
inside out own mailbox and also log into their mailbox with their credentials
3 or 4 times a day.  We then ask them to change their password. But all Mail
Administrators know that if you know certain AD accounts and their passwords,
you can get into anybody's mailbox.  But does that mean you should?  No.  I
have never just randomly selected someone's mailbox and opened it to see what
the contents were.  But I have worked with some people who have done it.
There's where the trust has to come into play.  I even showed management that
they had logged into some very highly sensitive mailboxes.  They then asked
me to monitor their whereabouts on the Network and were eventually let go.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


 
there is implicit trust

That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not
touching it.

William 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey
Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

That's not true.  As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want to
call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your power to
be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality of, oh say, the
CEO or CFO.  You have the power to view payroll and accounting documents. But
as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of high sensitivity. Highly
sensitive documents are passed through the mail system.  You are expected not
to sit down one afternoon and see what your boss or some other manager has
been sending emails out about.  It may not be written in some companies, but
it is written in others.  And I learned that the more you stay out of
people's business, the more they will trust you not to look at sensitive
documents.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


that's not necessarily true.  Unless he's been told to do it (which it
appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it. He has
to be tasked with it.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember
--
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, what
are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get you
fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is normally
enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an exception, and
that one exception will become a chink in your armour that will be used and
abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you,
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin.
Sincerly,

Rachel

-Original Message-
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM

Event ID: 1174

2002-12-18 Thread McCready, Robert
Exchange 5.5.  NT 4.0.

Anybody seen this error message?  Our log is full of them from beginning to
end.
I checked TechNet, but didn't see anything matching the error message.

Event ID: 1174
Source: MSExchangeDS
Type: Information
Category: Security

Description:  An unauthenticated logon was attempted.

Thanks.

Robert

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Friese, Casey
Got to love his wit.  I have quite a bit of yours archieved as well

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 
That Tom is that rare jewel... a wise Texan.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away. Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional
to send you an ascii answering machine message like this. /Tom
Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.


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RE: Event ID: 1174

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
Did you turn up logging on the DS?  

This is exactly what it says.  You could probably see complimentary
entries in the security event log as well.

William 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of McCready,
Robert
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Exchange 5.5.  NT 4.0.

Anybody seen this error message?  Our log is full of them from beginning
to
end.
I checked TechNet, but didn't see anything matching the error message.

Event ID: 1174
Source: MSExchangeDS
Type: Information
Category: Security

Description:  An unauthenticated logon was attempted.

Thanks.

Robert


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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
'Archieved' is a good place for them.

 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Got to love his wit.  I have quite a bit of yours archieved as well

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 
That Tom is that rare jewel... a wise Texan.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away. Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional
to send you an ascii answering machine message like this. /Tom
Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.


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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
Yea true the local paper just had a story about some thieves that were
sending what appeared to be spam messages to companies in the area. From
there they would get the out of office replies and then go rob those
people blind knowing exactly how long they were going to be gone.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away. Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional
to send you an ascii answering machine message like this. /Tom
Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Johansson Patrick

Well, in Finland working for a telecommunications operator (little known
fact :) and asp, just starting to look at logs, who sent what to whom would
get me jailed up for up to 3 years without the appropriate permissions from
the people involved  :-P . It's like you were tapping somebodys phone but
graver since you have the control you do when managing the systems.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18. joulukuuta 2002 23:21
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Blocking a newsletter


IANAL, but I do know that the legality of accessing mail in a mailbox varies
greatly depending on the jurisdiction. And since IANAL, I know better than
to try and figure out whether it may or may not be legal for myself or
someone else to do so. I leave that determination to the blood sucking ogres
we pay to know such things.

On 12/18/02 13:47, Dale Geoffrey Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse ANYONE's 
mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be anything in 
there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else seeing.  Remember -- 
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS. 

Gèoff... 


-Original Message- 
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter 


From my point of view: 
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order, 
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can get 
you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what is 
normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an 
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour that 
will be used and abused by everyone. 

I wasn't going to to register my opinion on this one, but I must tell you, 
taking advice from Hummert is a bad idea. Whatever you do, don't do it 
because Hummert says so. I (shudder) have seen the places Hummert considers 
normal and it makes me want to scrub off the top 2 layers of my skin. 
Sincerly, 

Rachel 

-Original Message- 
From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:14 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Blocking a newsletter 


Via Scanmail I find that a user is subscribed (or appears to be) to the 
f^ckedcompany.com newsletter.  Besides the domain name there is other 
profanity in the newsletter.  So do I follow company policy or let it slide?

My gut reaction is to ask the person if they are subscribed and then 
politely ask them to unsubscribe and not have this kind of thing sent to a 
work address. 

Jim Liddil 

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
Yea but the question is the word f^uck really something that violates
a company policy? I know here that in that case it wouldn't be. But if
it was used in a violent or s^xual context then it would be.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Gee I never thought that what I thought was a simply query would go this
far. As much as I think the f^ckedcompnay.com and internalmemos.com are
eye opening one still needs to keep in mind that ones job is to enforce
the policy.  Management easily forgets what they agreed to until some
employee gets bent about seeing a picture or reading something
offensive.  Then all hell breaks loose.  And indeed as with any job
there are ethics of behavior.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Like I said, in some companies they do, in others, they realize that the
Mail Administrator has access to everything on the Network, and knows
there has to be a certain amount of trust to go along with that title.
As far as accessing other people's mailboxes, how do you troubleshoot
what problems them might be having?  We open Users' mailboxes that are
having problems, inside out own mailbox and also log into their mailbox
with their credentials 3 or 4 times a day.  We then ask them to change
their password. But all Mail Administrators know that if you know
certain AD accounts and their passwords, you can get into anybody's
mailbox.  But does that mean you should?  No.  I have never just
randomly selected someone's mailbox and opened it to see what the
contents were.  But I have worked with some people who have done it.
There's where the trust has to come into play.  I even showed management
that they had logged into some very highly sensitive mailboxes.  They
then asked me to monitor their whereabouts on the Network and were
eventually let go.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


 
there is implicit trust

That 'implicit trust' would have to be in writing in policy, or I am not
touching it.

William 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Geoffrey
Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

That's not true.  As an Mail Administrator/Engineer, whatever you want
to call yourself, there is implicit trust that you will not abuse your
power to be able to view EVERYONE's email, due to the confidentiality
of, oh say, the CEO or CFO.  You have the power to view payroll and
accounting documents. But as a Mail Administrator, it is a position of
high sensitivity. Highly sensitive documents are passed through the mail
system.  You are expected not to sit down one afternoon and see what
your boss or some other manager has been sending emails out about.  It
may not be written in some companies, but it is written in others.  And
I learned that the more you stay out of people's business, the more they
will trust you not to look at sensitive documents.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


that's not necessarily true.  Unless he's been told to do it (which it
appears he has), he doesn't have some sort of implicit right to do it.
He has to be tasked with it.

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Rachel:  As an Exchange Administrator, he has the right to browse
ANYONE's mail.  That mail belongs to the Company, so there shouldn't be
anything in there that an enduser would be afraid of someone else
seeing.  Remember
--
the email is on Company's equipment, software, etc.  It is THEIRS.

Gèoff...


-Original Message-
From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


From my point of view:
If no one has asked you to monitor content and provided a written order,
what are you doing browsing someone else' mail? Its bad form, and can
get you fired. If you have been told to monitor then just enforce what
is normally enforced. Don't ask the end user. They will talk you into an
exception, and that one exception will become a chink in your armour
that will be used and abused by everyone.

I wasn't going to 

RE: Event ID: 1174

2002-12-18 Thread Dale Geoffrey Edwards
Did you check 279509.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: McCready, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Event ID: 1174


Exchange 5.5.  NT 4.0.

Anybody seen this error message?  Our log is full of them from beginning to
end. I checked TechNet, but didn't see anything matching the error message.

Event ID: 1174
Source: MSExchangeDS
Type: Information
Category: Security

Description:  An unauthenticated logon was attempted.

Thanks.

Robert

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RE: Event ID: 1174

2002-12-18 Thread McCready, Robert

I saw that one, but it said it was a problem with 2000, which we aren't
running.  Perhaps it pertains to NT 4.0 also.

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:39 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Event ID: 1174


Did you check 279509.

Gèoff...



-Original Message-
From: McCready, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Event ID: 1174


Exchange 5.5.  NT 4.0.

Anybody seen this error message?  Our log is full of them from beginning to
end. I checked TechNet, but didn't see anything matching the error message.

Event ID: 1174
Source: MSExchangeDS
Type: Information
Category: Security

Description:  An unauthenticated logon was attempted.

Thanks.

Robert

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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
It's not up to you to tell what is or is not against a company policy.
You don't have to understand it..



--B.

There is no better way to exercise the imagination than the study of the law.
No artist ever interpreted nature as freely as a lawyer interprets the truth.
-- Jean Giradoux



At 13:37 18-12-2002 -0800, you wrote:

Yea but the question is the word f^uck really something that violates
a company policy? I know here that in that case it wouldn't be. But if
it was used in a violent or s^xual context then it would be.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Gee I never thought that what I thought was a simply query would go this
far. As much as I think the f^ckedcompnay.com and internalmemos.com are
eye opening one still needs to keep in mind that ones job is to enforce
the policy.  Management easily forgets what they agreed to until some
employee gets bent about seeing a picture or reading something
offensive.  Then all hell breaks loose.  And indeed as with any job
there are ethics of behavior.

Jim



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RE: Event ID: 1174

2002-12-18 Thread McCready, Robert
Looks like the security was set to Maximum on the DS.  I turned it off.

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Event ID: 1174


 
Did you turn up logging on the DS?  

This is exactly what it says.  You could probably see complimentary
entries in the security event log as well.

William 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of McCready,
Robert
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Exchange 5.5.  NT 4.0.

Anybody seen this error message?  Our log is full of them from beginning
to
end.
I checked TechNet, but didn't see anything matching the error message.

Event ID: 1174
Source: MSExchangeDS
Type: Information
Category: Security

Description:  An unauthenticated logon was attempted.

Thanks.

Robert


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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Martin Blackstone
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2540307.stm

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Yea true the local paper just had a story about some thieves that were
sending what appeared to be spam messages to companies in the area. From
there they would get the out of office replies and then go rob those people
blind knowing exactly how long they were going to be gone.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please put me
on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've just
told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax assessor's web
site and look up the location of my residence. Help yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however, all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while away.
Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional to send
you an ascii answering machine message like this. /Tom
Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help: http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to be
turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on this
newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I have
looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this discussion.  I
remember someone who wrote a little story that was very convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address; much
increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send numerous
messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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auditing admin access

2002-12-18 Thread Jon Hill
Is there any way to audit use of System Manager and/or Cluster Administrator?  I have 
checked security settings in ESM itself:  when I right-click on the Org and go to 
Properties, then select Security | Advanced | Auditing, I see an auditing entry that 
applies to All.  All the access items within this entry that are checked (success  
fail for:  delete, change perms, take ownership, create children, delete children, 
add/remove self, write properties, delete tree, create public folder, create top level 
public folder, modify public folder admin ACL, modify public folder replica list, open 
mail send queue, read metabase properties, administer IS, create named properties in 
the IS, view IS status, receive as, send as) are inherited, though I don't from what 
since this is the Org level.  Anyway, despite all these checkmarks, my security logs 
don't record any of the above events.

Per Exchange 2000 Server 24seven, I audit AD logon events and AD account management, 
as well as logon events on the server.  And I have message tracking enabled and keep 7 
days of message tracking logs.  None of the above tells me when somebody launched ESM 
and/or tried to manage the Exchange Server, which is what I'd really like to see.  

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Orphaned System folder (Sched+ Free/Busy)

2002-12-18 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
Hi all. I ahve recently retired this Administrative Group that only had one Exchange 
2000 server in it. The server got un-installed without any problems. But now I have 
this Schedule+ Free Busy system folder that used to belong to that administrative 
group and it is refusing to go away. It actually was orphaned (in the 
Properties/Replicas there were no replicas). During my attempts to get rid of it, I 
homed it to a test Exchange 2000 server. But that did not help getting rid of it.

In ESM, I can go to Public Folders, View System Folders, I can right-click on the PF 
and select Delete. Then ESM prompts me to supply logon credentials. But it does not 
like any credentials that I give it, even though I give it the highest security 
credentials there are. It pops up the prompt 5 times or so and then gives me Access 
Denied.

Is there a way to get rid of this folder? I think it is causing problems for users 
that used to reside on the retired server and have been moved to other servers (they 
get was not able to save you free/busy data in their Outlooks)


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Re: Event ID: 1174

2002-12-18 Thread Daniel Chenault
Well, uh... an unauthenticated logon was attempted. What part of this is
mysterious?

- Original Message -
From: McCready, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:22 PM
Subject: Event ID: 1174


 Exchange 5.5.  NT 4.0.

 Anybody seen this error message?  Our log is full of them from beginning
to
 end.
 I checked TechNet, but didn't see anything matching the error message.

 Event ID: 1174
 Source: MSExchangeDS
 Type: Information
 Category: Security

 Description:  An unauthenticated logon was attempted.

 Thanks.

 Robert

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Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Daniel Chenault
On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From his
name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his OOF
said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he essentially is
telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to be
 turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on this
 newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I have
 looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this discussion.  I
 remember someone who wrote a little story that was very convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
 Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
 house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address; much
 increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
 numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000

2002-12-18 Thread Andy Haigh
Thanks for that

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From: Mark Harford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, 18 December 2002 9:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


that's your answer then - see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;273263

-Original Message-
From: Andy Haigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 18 December 2002 07:11
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


No still in Mixed mode

-Original Message-
From: Mark Harford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, 13 December 2002 12:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


Are you in Exchange 2000 Native Mode yet?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Haigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 12 December 2002 00:12
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


Interesting I don't have that function available. These are Public
folders I migrated over from a Exchange 5.5 server via a pst file. They
show as having email addresses already but if you right click, all tasks
you only get Mail Enable it's as if Exchange doesn't know about the
email addresses. Yet it works perfectly.

I may need to recreated the Folders and copy the contents over to fix up
the problem. Though looking at the default Folder Tree, it is set to
MAPI Clients so I expect it will always create Mail Enabled folders
which cannot be changed.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Mike Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2002 9:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


Andy,

In ESM navigate to the public folder, right click, All Tasks, Mail
Disable.

Voila,
Mike

-Original Message-
From: Andy Haigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 11 December 2002 09:20
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Mail Enabled Public Folders on Exchange 2000


Is there a way to un mail enable a Public Folder?

Apart from deleting and re-creating.

Thanks

Andy

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Defragging (important???)

2002-12-18 Thread Michael Anderson
Hello,

I was just perusing some threads, and caught some particular threads
regarding defragging the message store.  The one that hit me hard, was the
person that found out that doom was eminent - because of a specific error
code, found in the Event Viewer regarding the Exchange Message Store.

Is the Exchange Message Store supposed to be periodically defragged???  Are
there ramifications, if the Message Store gets past a certain point of
fragmentation?

I am not trying to avoid any research, and be lazy on this topic - but all I
need to know, is YES this is an important topic, and I better learn more
about it FAST, or NO - it's just something good to do once in a while.

Thanks in advance for any advice offered,

Mike


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RE: Defragging (important???)

2002-12-18 Thread Martin Blackstone
The message store manages itself and does its own nightly maintenance. It
should be all you ever need.


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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:14 PM
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Subject: Defragging (important???)


Hello,

I was just perusing some threads, and caught some particular threads
regarding defragging the message store.  The one that hit me hard, was the
person that found out that doom was eminent - because of a specific error
code, found in the Event Viewer regarding the Exchange Message Store.

Is the Exchange Message Store supposed to be periodically defragged???  Are
there ramifications, if the Message Store gets past a certain point of
fragmentation?

I am not trying to avoid any research, and be lazy on this topic - but all I
need to know, is YES this is an important topic, and I better learn more
about it FAST, or NO - it's just something good to do once in a while.

Thanks in advance for any advice offered,

Mike


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RE: Defragging (important???)

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
Michael, there is an online process that performs this function by
default on a nightly basis.  

It is beneficial (note:  not even necessary, only beneficial) when:
- you move a large amount of data from the store
- you delete a large amount of data from the store 

In other words, don't worry about it.  Go back to the Christmas party.
Relax.

William 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael
Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Hello,

I was just perusing some threads, and caught some particular threads
regarding defragging the message store.  The one that hit me hard, was
the
person that found out that doom was eminent - because of a specific
error
code, found in the Event Viewer regarding the Exchange Message Store.

Is the Exchange Message Store supposed to be periodically defragged???
Are
there ramifications, if the Message Store gets past a certain point of
fragmentation?

I am not trying to avoid any research, and be lazy on this topic - but
all I
need to know, is YES this is an important topic, and I better learn more
about it FAST, or NO - it's just something good to do once in a while.

Thanks in advance for any advice offered,

Mike


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RE: Blocking a newsletter

2002-12-18 Thread Great Cthulhu Jones
If it violates policy, let HR send out the order to block the specific word
in emails. If someone's mailbox needs to be browsed and ripped through, let
the C*O do it and the IT guy stay out of the way.

In other words, there is no technical solution. It's up to a given company
to determine what it wants its level of liability to be.

If you don't like it, then do like Father Jack and yell, DRINK! GIRLS!
FECK! a lot. Sure makes the day fly by.

(:=

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Hummert
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking a newsletter


Yea but the question is the word f^uck really something that violates
a company policy? I know here that in that case it wouldn't be. But if
it was used in a violent or s^xual context then it would be.


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