RE: Annoying event in Exchange 2003.
Just pretty sure? Have you checked?
Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Protecting the world from PSTs and bricked backups.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Joyce
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Annoying event in Exchange 2003.
Event id 1147
Error 0x80040301 while disabling rule on public folder with rule ID 1-1AC16.
The folder ID of the public folder is in the data section of this event.
from MS
snip
Product: Exchange
ID: 1147
Source: MSExchangeIS Mailbox Store
Version: 6.0
Component: Information Store
Symbolic Name: msgidErrorDisablingRule
Message: Error {error code} while disabling rule on public folder with rule
ID {rule id}. The folder ID of the public folder is in the data section of
this event.
Explanation
An error occurred during an attempt to update the state of a folder.
User Action
Examine the folder for permissions, consistency, and synchronization
problems.
Version: 6.5.6940.0
Component: Microsoft Exchange Information Store
Message: Error error code while disabling rule on public folder with rule
ID rule id. The folder ID of the public folder is in the data section of
this event.
Explanation
This event indicates that there was a problem executing a rule on a public
folder. Public Folders can have rules associated with them by using the
Folder Assistant option in the properties of the Public Folder. For example,
a Public Folder can have a rule where all incoming mail to that Public
Folder is forwarded to a mailbox.
This error can be caused if there is a problem executing the rule.
Typically, this will occur if the mailbox to which this Public Folders mail
is being forwarded has some limits set on it. You may observe an event 8528
that indicates that the mailbox in question has exceeded its limits.
User Action
Check the rules of the Public Folders rules. If the rules are forwarding
mails to other mailboxes, check these other mailboxes and ensure that they
have not reached any limits.
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I'm pretty sure there is no rules on any of our public folders.
any ideas ?
Matt
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RE: From 5.5 to 2003; ADC can't see 5.5 on port 389
Have you run all the prerequisite steps such as ForestPrep and DomainPrep? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Protecting the world from PSTs and bricked backups. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: From 5.5 to 2003; ADC can't see 5.5 on port 389 Good morning, I have a client that is moving from 5.5 to 2003. Their 5.5 box had been set for LDAP to run on port 390, all was well. However when I load 2003 on a new member server and run everything through, the new 2003 box can't connect and move mailboxes from the 5.5 box. ADC says that everything is OK. But the icon for the 5.5 box is greyed out. I went back and set the 5.5 box to use port 389 for LDAP but the 2003 box can only see it if I tell it to look at port 390. I have run admin /r and verified that LDAP is on 389 but the new box only sees it if I tell ADC to look on port 390. Is this my problem or should I be looking somewhere else? Thanks, Robert _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Recipient Policies
Anything in the event log? Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Protecting the world from PSTs and bricked backups. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hutchins, Mike Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Recipient Policies E2K SP3 W2K SP3 Any idea why I can't add an smtp address to every mailbox in the org? I am trying to add it to the default policy then apply the ppolicy, and it isn't working.. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Exchange Event service will not start
The error you are seeing usually indicates a permissions problem. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange Event service will not start We are in the process of replacing one of our Exchange servers and the new server's Exchange Event service will not start. The following appears in the application log whenever an attempt is made to start the service: Event Type: Information Event Source: MSExchangeES Event Category: General Event ID: 0 Date: 1/9/2004 Time: 7:46:57 AM User: N/A Computer: CLMAIL1 Description: The Microsoft Exchange Event Service (6.0.6249.0) started successfully. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Event Type: Error Event Source: MSExchangeES Event Category: General Event ID: 5 Date: 1/9/2004 Time: 7:46:57 AM User: N/A Computer: CLMAIL1 Description: An unexpected MAPI error occurred. Error returned was [0x80004005]. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Event Type: Information Event Source: MSExchangeES Event Category: General Event ID: 1 Date: 1/9/2004 Time: 7:46:57 AM User: N/A Computer: CLMAIL1 Description: The Microsoft Exchange Event Service stopped successfully. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. I saw this same problem posted a few months ago but there wasn't a resolution posted. The only post stated to disable the service if you don't use sink events. We do so we need the service. There is an MS article saying to check for duplicate event(servername) public (system) folders and there aren't ANY event(servername) public folders for the new server. Any help is appreciated. Mark _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Failure to apply Exchange Server 2000 SP3
Exchange 2000 does not have an Exchange Administrator account. What Exchange rights and at what levels does the account have? Is the account a member of Enterprise Admins and Schema Admins? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michel Fayad Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Failure to apply Exchange Server 2000 SP3 Hello, I have an Exchange 2000 Server/sp2. On this machine Windows 2000 is at sp4 and is a DC in the domain. I am using the administrator account, which is also the Exchange Administrator, to apply the sp. When trying to apply Exchange 2000 sp3 I am receiving the following error. The component Microsoft Exchange Messaging and Collaboration Service cannot be assigned the action Update because: -You must be at least an Exchange Administrator at the Administrative Group level to run update. You must use an account that has been granted the Exchange Administrator role on the current administrative group, or a higher-level role, using the Exchange Administrative Delegation Wizard. -Setup is unable to access the Windows 2000 Active Directory -Failed to contact the Schema Master for this Active Directory forest. There are 3 sites in the Organization, and the DC holding the FSMO roles is located in a remote site. Using Active Directory Replication Monitor in the Support tools, I was able to query all the FSMO roles. The event viewer does not display any additional errors. What could possibly be the reason behind the failure in applying the sp? Could a corruption in Exchange databases cause such an issue? Are there any other possibilities? Best Regards, Michel Fayad. This message, along with any attachments, is strictly confidential, and intended solely for the use of the person or organization to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information which is covered by legal, professional, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. In this case, please destroy the email and its attachments. Any opinions presented, expressed or implied, are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Upgrading Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2000
Yes. It's really only important to block logins to the Exchange 5.5 server. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;218920 What's not in the KB is that the Exchange 2000 server whose System Attendant and DSA you must allow is the server on which the Site Replication Service runs. Also consider the following KB. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299473 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elmerick, Ralph H. Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:08 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Upgrading Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2000 Is there a way to block Outlook users from connecting to an Exchange server? We are moving users from one server to another and want to block them from logging into their mailbox on the weekend. Ralph Elmerick NT Exchange Administrator Information Systems Technical Principal ** PLEASE NOTE: The above email address has recently changed from a previous naming standard -- if this does not match your records, please update them to use this new name in future email addressed to this individual. This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company ** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Exchange 2000 DR
I think you should plan on having a clone root domain controller. You could use VMWare or Microsoft Virtual Server and run it on the same box, though. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Robert Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2000 DR All, We are about to do an off-site DR exercise. This DR site (for the test) will have no connectivity to our production environment. I have 2 domains (bm.root - which is an empty forest root placeholder domain) - (bakernet.com - peer domain to bm.root where all objects live). The Exchange server (member of bakernet.com) that will used for the DR exercise (Exchange 2000 SP 3) is on a Windows 2000 SP 3 Domain controller (bakernet.com). I have ran the Veritas IDR process on the server and have identical hardware at the DR site for the restore. Question: Will services fail because the forest root domain (bm.root) can not be contacted? Or do I need to also do a DR of a bm.root Domain controller at the DR site? I have done numerous IDR recoveries, but have all been on the production network where the bm.root domain could be contacted I hope this makes sense! Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Public Free/Busy
That symptom would indicate some problem reading the free-busy system folder. Try deleting and recreating his profile. He might be pointed to a defunct public folder server. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weatherly, Rob Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Public Free/Busy I have user that is unable to view anyone free/busy data. The user has no other outlook issues, can schedule meetings and read mail fine. But when creating a meeting and adding recipients, every recipient that is added, there free/busy shows up as gray lines. I have tried outlook /cleanfreebusy and I have tried to recreate the users outlook profile on the desktop. Environment Server: Windows 2000 sp3 Exchange 2000 sp3 Client: Windows XP sp1 Outlook 2003 Any suggestions Rob Weatherly _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Public Free/Busy
As an addendum to what I just posted, you might first try a simple profile refresh--delete the last name of his server name in his profile, then add it back and click Check Names. That should reset all the Exchange server stuff. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weatherly, Rob Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Public Free/Busy I have user that is unable to view anyone free/busy data. The user has no other outlook issues, can schedule meetings and read mail fine. But when creating a meeting and adding recipients, every recipient that is added, there free/busy shows up as gray lines. I have tried outlook /cleanfreebusy and I have tried to recreate the users outlook profile on the desktop. Environment Server: Windows 2000 sp3 Exchange 2000 sp3 Client: Windows XP sp1 Outlook 2003 Any suggestions Rob Weatherly _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Exchange 2003 can't send to Groupwise
Do an SMTP protocol trace and see if that gives you any clues. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 can't send to Groupwise We have a client (JI) that has recently changed to a different software vendor. This vendor uses Groupwise on their end for email. JI can receive any email that comes from the vendor but can not send to them... mail just sits in the Queue and retries. JI is running Exchange 2003 on a Win2000 box (SP4). We can route some of JI's users through our Exchange 2003 box and the mail goes without any problems. We have spent hours verifying that the Routers at JI's site and at our site have the same ports open... (JI's Exchange doesn't even work if on the outside of the Firewall). The two Exchange boxes are set up the same. We're not familiar with Groupwise and haven't gotten alot of help from the Vendor's IT dept thus far. Any ideas? BTW, all other mail goes without any problems. It's just this one site. Thanks, Robert _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: smtp receives but stops sending
The poster, as is often the case, didn't respond with what fixed the problem. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Joyce Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: smtp receives but stops sending Hi, I found a thread, titled as above, via a google, I'm just curious what the resolution was (if any) I have recently install Exchange 2003 and today, I found a bunch of messages waiting for submission. The SMTP service would not stop. I followed the threads procedure. Disable SMTP service Restart server Move messages from queue Start service feed back messages this seems to have worked, but the whole incident has spawned a constant niggling doubt. I have not done anything to change the setup, so presumably this can happen again anytime. There was talk of it being AV related, I have a trial of GFI Mail Security running, I'd like to be able to know if it is the AV product or a generic problem with the AV/Exchange interface. Any ideas ? Thanks Matt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Change Exchange service account in Mixed Mode organization?
The service account is not required for Exchange 2000 once you've removed the Exchange 5.5 artifacts such as the ADC. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Anthes Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Change Exchange service account in Mixed Mode organization? I have an Exchange organization in Mixed Mode (2000/5.5). I installed Exchange 2000 in an existing site and moved mailboxes to the new server. The previous server was in another domain, which we now want to bring down. The service account listed for the site is an account in the old domain. Is there some way to change this? Does it even matter? There is still another 5.5 server in the site, so I can't change to native mode yet. It looks like there was an MS KB article addressing this (Q307630 HOW TO: Change the Exchange Server Service Account in a Mixed Exchange Environment) but it seems to have disappeared. Thanks in advance. Mary Anthes Network Engineer SCL Health System [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: 5.5 and AutoAccept script
The only reason I can think that this is happening is that something is trying to create a new Tasks folder and doesn't see the real one. Does this profile have a non-primary Tasks folder that isn't named Tasks? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Finch Brett Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: 5.5 and AutoAccept script For some reason the 'tasks' folder is being renamed (tasks1, tasks2...all the way up to as high as 70) and the only common denominator is these are resources (rooms etc..) which use the 'enhanced' Autoaccept script (from V4 from ExchangeCode). Haven't seen this before (I suppose a clean freebusy may help) and generally the system has been fine, little change to it over the years. What and why causes it is beyond me (Exchange 5.5 SPK4 on Win2K SPK4 both loaded with post SPK_X hotfix's). Also the final folder (taks70) is in fact the true special' folder yet I can't seem to rename it back (after I delete all the folders). The only 'Q' article I found suggested Exmerge which I thought was a bit extravagant for such a task. Anyone got a better way? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Determine active mailboxes
That is not a directory attribute, so HEADER.EXE will not give you the information you seek. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Determine active mailboxes Does anyone know of a way to determine when the last time a user(s) accessed their mailbox. The last logoff time from the Exchange admin program will not be sufficient for me. I would like to know when the last message was read and or sent from each mailbox or both. Or at least something to that affect to actually show me that some one is actully using the mailbox. Can header.exe do this? Thanks Pat _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Scheduler/calendar features
http://www.nlearnseries.com/site/products/groupware_outlook2003e.html These are great trifold quick reference guides that are perfect for deploying Outlook (or other Microsoft tools) to users when you don't have a big budget for training. They're inexpensive and my experience is that users love them. Contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for information and/or free samples. Disclaimer: I have no financial interest, nor do I receive any remueration for this plug. All I get is the personal satisfaction from recommending a great product. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erick Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Scheduler/calendar features I'm working on getting my users to start using the calendar in Outlook, and in public folders. However, I haven't used the calendar a whole lot. Does anyone know of good tutorials/FAQs for the calendar, written for end users? BTW, we're on Outlook 2000, but will soon be moving to Outlook 2003. I don't believe the feature set is different (correct?), simply the interface. Thanks, Erick _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: RPC over HTTP
Regardless of whether it's Internet or intranet users, their DNS server must have a host (A) or alias (CNAME) record that resolves the name you're using for the OWA server. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RPC over HTTP To publish you Exchange 2003 server on the Internet for HTTP, how should your DNS look to contact it? I think I have done the pre-install Server 2003 configs and Exchange 2003 configs too. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: RPC over HTTP
Huh? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Holtzclaw Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RPC over HTTP I did like rpc.mydomain.com I still can not contact the server. Eric -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RPC over HTTP What do you mean by that? There are no special DNS records that need to be created other than an A record in your externally-accessible DNS... Are you referring to something else? Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Holtzclaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: RPC over HTTP Subject: RPC over HTTP To publish you Exchange 2003 server on the Internet for HTTP, how should your DNS look to contact it? I think I have done the pre-install Server 2003 configs and Exchange 2003 configs too. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Change Exchange service account in Mixed Mode organization?
It is technically possible to change the service account although it isn't for the faint of heart. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;152808 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Anthes Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Change Exchange service account in Mixed Mode organization? Unfortunately, there will still be on 5.5 server (in another NT domain) that will be around for awhile. Thanks Mary Anthes Network Engineer SCL Health System [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Change Exchange service account in Mixed Mode organization? The service account is not required for Exchange 2000 once you've removed the Exchange 5.5 artifacts such as the ADC. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Anthes Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Change Exchange service account in Mixed Mode organization? I have an Exchange organization in Mixed Mode (2000/5.5). I installed Exchange 2000 in an existing site and moved mailboxes to the new server. The previous server was in another domain, which we now want to bring down. The service account listed for the site is an account in the old domain. Is there some way to change this? Does it even matter? There is still another 5.5 server in the site, so I can't change to native mode yet. It looks like there was an MS KB article addressing this (Q307630 HOW TO: Change the Exchange Server Service Account in a Mixed Exchange Environment) but it seems to have disappeared. Thanks in advance. Mary Anthes Network Engineer SCL Health System [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: smtp receives but stops sending
Certain versions of Antigen will cause the server to stop processing mail and the SMTP queues to back up. I believe this behavior is fixed in current versions. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: smtp receives but stops sending I never had problems with Sybari. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: smtp receives but stops sending Funny, I was thinking about Sybari Antigen. I think this problem can occur with many versions of many vendors' products. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Hlabse Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: smtp receives but stops sending If your using Trend-Micro as your Virus scanner, on my last assignment they had a simular issue. It ended up on how Trend was setup. After tweaking settings the relay server never locked up again. Took almost a month to track down. From: Mark Dewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: smtp receives but stops sending Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:20:48 - We use UNIX boxes as our main email gateway/smarthost. Messages are routed to/from our back end exchange boxes to the unix boxes via an exchange 2003 front end server (which handles the anti-virus and anti-spam filtering). This configuration means that the unix boxes deal with all routing issues and are the only boxes exposed to the internet. Our back end servers can handle internal message traffic (although they do also scan messages for viruses) Ed, We will try running without the anti-virus scanning on the front end server, but with such an intermittant problem (may occur a couple of times a week and then not again for a couple of weeks) it is difficult to know how long a trail to give it. If this is an anti-virus issue then I would expect to get this problem with our backend servers which handle more smtp traffic (albeit only between themselves) and are running the same anti-virus config. -Original Message- From: Greg Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 November 2003 18:43 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: smtp receives but stops sending I am going to make a few assumptions based on the info contained in this thread thus far. 1)You have a MS SMTP server configured as a Smart Host for an Exchange 2003 server. In other words, you can install an instance of Exchange as a front end server, and I'm guessing you did not do this. 2)I'm also guessing that on said MS SMTP Smart Host you have relaying restricted to ONLY the domains you list. This alleviates MS confusion. 3)Anti-Spam operations are being conducted on this SMTP server via GFI software. 4)In the properties of your SMTP Smart Host, you have not enabled logging via the check box, AND included all extended properties. If a time threshold for delivery is not met, it will be logged here. Depending on your volume, place this file where there is ample storage. Also, be sure to check unlimited file size. Remedy- IMHO, there may be 2 ways to fix this. First, double check your hard coded DNS server on the smart host. I know that in native-mode AD, this should only have your DDNS server listed. Your DDNS server should be configured to make the DNS call if it doesn't have it in cache. I ran into this at the WS level. What happened was a latency with regards to delivery that lasted anywhere from 30 minutes to several days. Second, MS IIS SMTP is MICROSOFT! Build an EXACT duplicate box, configured exactly as the box you now have. Give it a test run between say 8-10 pm on a slow night. I'll bet that fixes it. Be sure ALL logging is enabled via the SMTP properties page, including extended properties. I'm guessing your build may be bad, or over time it has degraded. Hope that helps. gb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tony Hlabse Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: smtp receives but stops sending Only thing that comes to mind is a disk space issue. Will listen to see what the final outcome is. From: Mark Dewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject
RE: RPC over HTTP
Surely you can do better than that. (And I am not calling you Shirley.) Do you like them in a box? Do you like them with a fox? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RPC over HTTP Do you like it with eggs? Do you like it with ham? -Original Message- From: Eric Holtzclaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RPC over HTTP I did like rpc.mydomain.com I still can not contact the server. Eric -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RPC over HTTP What do you mean by that? There are no special DNS records that need to be created other than an A record in your externally-accessible DNS... Are you referring to something else? Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Eric Holtzclaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: RPC over HTTP Subject: RPC over HTTP To publish you Exchange 2003 server on the Internet for HTTP, how should your DNS look to contact it? I think I have done the pre-install Server 2003 configs and Exchange 2003 configs too. Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: doubletake
Do you want to see pictures of my 257 cats? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake Cool. A dog thread. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake Mine is like that. Half pit bull, half german shepard and the biggest pussy you will ever meet. He is nothing but love. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevinm [NY] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake The dog is 150 pounds, half wolf, half German Sheppard. About the dumbest most loveable dog I have ever met. But boy does he smell... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake That's a huge dog if it can excrete enough wee to flood a beefy mail server Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Kevinm [NY] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: doubletake What does double take really do for exchange?? Yeah so I have a bit by bit copy of the store, my dog comes in and pees on my primary server, now what will double take do for me? will it change IP and Server for me to fail over? How do my users see that there is a double take server?? Any one run this or have it installed that can tell me?? Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please
RE: EX55: Blocking OUTBOUND email by domain??
You could route the domain in question to a Windows 2000 SMTP box with a scheduled job that deleted it all periodically. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alverson, Tom Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: EX55: Blocking OUTBOUND email by domain?? I need to block inbound and outbound email to a particular domain on exchange 5.5. I searched the net and only found an Exchange 2000 way to do this. For inbound I simply added that domain to the TURF settings and that works fine. For outbound the only kludge I could come up with is to set up a CONNECTION/Specify by email domain and set that domain to route through 0.0.0.0. This host is unreachable which means that the messages sit in the outbound queue and retry until they expire (as well as generating a bunch of alerts to the sender). Is there a better way to do this? Tom _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: doubletake
And your point is what? That with your message and this one, the total is now twelve? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reasoner, Bob (PHES) Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 2:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake While I don't want to sound like a stick in the mud this is at least 20 messages that have passed through the list that have no bearing on the subject and fill up our inboxes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake You know, we probably weren't going to go there Dancing bears, dancing bears. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake And just to be clear, I said meet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake Cool. A dog thread. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake Mine is like that. Half pit bull, half german shepard and the biggest pussy you will ever meet. He is nothing but love. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevinm [NY] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake The dog is 150 pounds, half wolf, half German Sheppard. About the dumbest most loveable dog I have ever met. But boy does he smell... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: doubletake That's a huge dog if it can excrete enough wee to flood a beefy mail server Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Kevinm [NY] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: doubletake What does double take really do for exchange?? Yeah so I have a bit by bit copy of the store, my dog comes in and pees on my primary server, now what will double take do for me? will it change IP and Server for me to fail over? How do my users see that there is a double take server?? Any one run this or have it installed that can tell me?? Thanks. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn
RE: Exchange 2003 backups
The correct term is vendor whore. I am not a slut. Ed Waiting for the Content Filters to Kick In Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST's can have passwords put on them by users, and users forget them (rendering them useless). PST's do not synchronise (using WinXP's offline files feature), and so can be forgotten or left behind, or worse, corrupted. I think that we almost have an FAQ for why PST=bad from this list, don't we? Certainly GuruEd (the MVP Slut) has raved against them previously. ;) themolk. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups If my users needed to access mail that was older than 2 years I'd design an Exchange setup that gave them the space they needed to store this stuff. PSTs are unreliable PSTs are expensive (e.g. cost of supporting them, disk and backup tape space as they break SIS) I think this is all covered in the FAQs, if not, certainly the archives. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Joyce Sent: Thu 08/01/2004 23:35 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups This seems to be a popular axiom, buy why are they considered bad ? How else can I give users access to email from 2 years ago ? yes, they do need to access these. What do other organisations do ? Matt -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Molkentin Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 backups PST = Bad. themolk. -Original Message- From: Matthew Joyce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 backups Hi, I have just moved from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange 2003. It is a single server setup. I used to use BackupExec+Exchange agent to backup to a DLT. The stores and the individual mailboxes were backed up daily and every week I would stop the services and do a full backup. Before I rush out an pay Veritas for the license upgrade, I thought I would revue the situation. Some background info... The server has 100gb of raid5 diskspace. There is about 125 mailboxes, I expect this to continue to rise to 250 over the next few years. Mailbox sizes used to be about 70mb on 5.5, this has been increased to 100mb. Some staff do need access to archived mail, and they use pst files on the server. At the moment I do not have a well defined backup policy for this setup, I am using ntbackup for stores and state nightly. Any advice ? thanks Matthew Joyce Children's Cancer Institute Australia http://www.ccia.org.au -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange; text_mode==english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been
RE: Upgrade 5.5 to 2003
You would probably get a lot better support on a request such as this from an SBS newsgroup or list. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry J. Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Upgrade 5.5 to 2003 Running Exchange 5.5 on 2000 Server and upgrading to SBS 2003. I assume that I will want to upgrade exchange to 2003 first (after running ADC) then upgrading the OS to 2003. Or in this scenario will I be better off just creating a new server altogether? (Hardware is not an issue) (This server will also assume the domain master roles, be internal DNS be a DC etc) Being forced to merge alot of servers into one since we updated hardware from P3 500 systems. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: OWA users logging into wrong Mailbox
What bug are you aware of? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MS Exchange List Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA users logging into wrong Mailbox Hello, FWIW: We just had a situation where some users were complaining that when they logged into OWA they were getting other users Mailboxes. I'm aware of a bug like this in 2003, but we're running E2K. Turned out a WEB Cache had been put on one part of a remote network. This did not effect people who came in over https , just http non-ssl connections. Brent _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Internet Mail Issues
Who is Shirley Comcast? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of East, Bill Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Internet Mail Issues Shirley Comcast will allow you to relay your outbound mail through their MXed, reverse-DNSed mailhost, right? If so, just point your Exchange server to relay all outbound mail through them. If not, ditch Comcast. They're not a business-class ISP in my opinion, at least. -- be - MOS Replace repetitive expressions by calls to a common function. -Original Message- From: Crista Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Internet Mail Issues I have a client who is migrating away from an ISP hosted POP mail account to a newly created exch 2003 box and we're experiencing 5.5.0 smtp;550 Dynamic IPs/open relays blocked. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED], 5.5.0 smtp;550-68.37.144.103 blocked by blacklist.mail.ops.asp.att.net. and to aol Could not deliver the message in the time limit specified. I've contacted both earthlink and att/comcast and both insist that the new server is not blacklisted and a quick search on ORDB shows we are not blacklisted (The server had only been up 4 hours and we were getting this message from att/comcast!) I've locked down the server and we're not allowing relay so I'm thinking it might be reverse dns, but comcast (our isp) won't allow us to host reverse dns or set up an entry for us. Before we shutdown the server and get an new ISP that will allow reverse dns, does anyone else have an idea? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: OWA 5.5 - Active Directory
OWA 200x dumbs down based on the version of the browser. However, it doesn't look like OWA 5.5. Maybe this is the excuse you need to upgrade to Exchange 2003. OWA 2003 rocks! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miller, Robert Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA 5.5 - Active Directory That is a good question We are a Law Firm and we have several attorneys that refuse to give up the Exchange 5.5 OWA - they state Exchange 2000 OWA is too slow and unusable... So, we wanted to offer up both for a period of time - to slowly wean them away from 5.5, while still switching to native mode. On the other hand we have several other folks who love the new OWA and it's rich feature set... Is the dumbing down of OWA 2000 done on a per user basis, or is it all or nothing? Thanks -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA 5.5 - Active Directory When you go native, what are you going to need 5.5 OWA for? Besides, you can dumb down 2000 OWA to make it feel like 5.5 OWA (that's what Netscape browsers see when they connect to 2000 OWA) -Original Message- From: Miller, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:50 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OWA 5.5 - Active Directory All, We just finished migrating all of our Exchange 5.5 servers to Exchange 2000, and are still in mixed mode. I have my 3 original OWA 5.5 servers online, pointing to an Active Directory servers for lookups. I also have 3 Exchange 2000 Front End servers online serving up OWA 2000. And to clarify, I have a requirement to keep both versions of OWA running for an extended period of time. The current configuration works quite well. I would like to begin the steps of going to native mode. My question is - when I flip the switch to native mode is there any chance that the 5.5 OWA functionality will break? I spoke with Microsoft regarding this and the final conclusion was that they had no idea... I am in the process of building up a native mode environment in the lab to test this, but figured I would throw it out to the list in hopes that someone else has already tried this TIA _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode= lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Sharing the GAL
Answered in the other forum in which you posted this (under a different subject). Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlovits, John [JM1] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Sharing the GAL We have a few companies that we would like to have all there email users as contacts in our GAL. Is there a way to export / import their GAL into ours? Or if they could be linked somehow over the internet? Also if they add / delete / change users how would that work? We have Exchange 2000 others are 2000 or 5.5 thanks John _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: Exchange 2003 mailbox permissions
Nonetheless, this is a terrible idea. An admin should grant himself permissions to read someone's mailbox only when there is a need to do so and should remove the permission when the need is over. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 mailbox permissions Can't someone just go and look this up on Google? You can explicitly override the denies to domain admins if you go to the properties of an information store, click on the security tab and explicitly select Allow next to those Denies. Then wait 15 minutes or restart the information store service. -Original Message- From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 mailbox permissions hrm... if I remember right, the group 'domain admins' (and likely 'ent admins') are explicitly denied this ability. You can use an account that is not in those groups to get access... just give it 'send as' and 'receive as' rights on the database or mailbox. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 mailbox permissions Thanks I did see a KB article. When I go to the user on the 2003 exchange server and click exchange advanced then the mailbox rights button. The enterprise admin group is in their with full rights. I am part of that group. I can not however open the mailbox via OWA or outlook. -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2003 mailbox permissions You have to grant the admin account explicit permissions on the mailboxes or on the information store that contains those mailboxes. There are KB articles about this. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:51 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 mailbox permissions Hi All, I am in the process of migrating to exchange 2003 from Exchange 5.5. I have setup the 2003 server, have ADC running and have moved 3 of the 200 mailboxes so far to the new server. In exchange 5.5 my account was sent as a permissions admin and I had access to open anyone's mailbox from with outlook (file -open-other users folder) The mailboxes on the 2003 server will not open for me or if I use the exchange service account I need to have access to all mailboxes. What is the best way? thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: getting heaps of spams
If a spammer sends mail to an invalid mailbox at some e-mail domain and spoofs that the mail is coming from your e-mail domain, it is your server that will get the NDRs. If a spammer sends mail to your e-mail domain to addresses that don't exist, Exchange will reply to whatever address it thinks the mail is coming from, which is almost invariably a forged address, with an NDR that has a blank from address. This is the way it works, and neither situation has anything to do with your server being an open relay. If you post your e-mail domain name, several of us will do some checks to see if you're an open relay and we won't have to have these arguments. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams James, few of these emails are directed to my domain, however the large portion of these junkies are going to third part emails, like Yahoo etc. Many thanks. --- Blunt, James H (Jim) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because he is getting 4000 NDR's an hour still doesn't indicate that he is an open relay. It simply means that someone spamming his domain name is trying to brute-force the spam through in mass quantities (probably ~50,000 at a time) by appending every combination they can think of, to the left of his domain name (e.g., [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc.). -Original Message- From: Bailey, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams Are you dealing with Spam received in the Inbox of your users or 4000 NDRs per hour? The answer to this question will really tell you what you need to do. If you are receiving 4000 messages per hour in your user's mailboxes then you REALLY need a Spam filtering solution (we use SurfControl's product and love it). If your postmaster mailbox is filled with 4000 NDR's, then you need to close the open relay. (and still consider getting a spam filtering product). My $0.02, - Matt -Original Message- From: Jees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams Ed, thanks for your response. Getting spams on my exchange is a daily retual to me, however, not as much as 4000 or more spam emails withing the hour. Last time, when i had such a high volume of spam, we had a look at \\exchange server\tracking.log and figured out that one of the exchange server within the enterprise had open for relaying. I can't remember now how we worked it out then, but probably experienced heaps of entries from the spamming exchange server. Hope i am making sense. --- Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can be completely relay secure yet get bombarded with spam. All Exchange servers will let spam through. Looking at the Internet headers of each message will show the stamps of the servers which handled the message. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: getting heaps of spams i have exchange 5.5 sp4 running on win 2k sp4. We have number of exchanges around the globe that has trusts between them. I am currently getting tens of thausands of spam email, however my exchange is tested and has no relying problem. I am expecting one of the exchange servers within the global enterprise is open to relying. Can someone tell me how i can check which exchange server letting all these spam email to drain to my server? thank you all in advance __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs
RE: Delegation of Authority
They'd need the permission to change that attribute, which, I believe, you would have to confer in the Schema. Really, I think it's a whole lot of trouble to do that. Why not make them Account Operators? Don't they have to reset passwords and the like as well? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clemens, Rick Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Delegation of Authority Exchange 2000 SP3 Windows 2000 SP4 I am trying to grant our Help Desk Users the abilty to Change/Add/Delete E-mail Addresses on all users. They do not have Account Operators or anything like that. I have granted them Exchange View Only rights in Exchange 2000. I am attempting to use Delegation of Authority in Active Directory but am unable to pick out which property grants this ability. Does anyone have any ideas? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: getting heaps of spams
Being open for relay won't get you more spam, but it will enable others to send spam using your machine. There's an important difference. If you're receiving lots of spam then you might want to look at an antispam product to install on your Exchange server, or between it and the Internet, or contracting with an antispam solution provider. If your server is open for relay, close it! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams Ed, thanks for your response. Getting spams on my exchange is a daily retual to me, however, not as much as 4000 or more spam emails withing the hour. Last time, when i had such a high volume of spam, we had a look at \\exchange server\tracking.log and figured out that one of the exchange server within the enterprise had open for relaying. I can't remember now how we worked it out then, but probably experienced heaps of entries from the spamming exchange server. Hope i am making sense. --- Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can be completely relay secure yet get bombarded with spam. All Exchange servers will let spam through. Looking at the Internet headers of each message will show the stamps of the servers which handled the message. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: getting heaps of spams i have exchange 5.5 sp4 running on win 2k sp4. We have number of exchanges around the globe that has trusts between them. I am currently getting tens of thausands of spam email, however my exchange is tested and has no relying problem. I am expecting one of the exchange servers within the global enterprise is open to relying. Can someone tell me how i can check which exchange server letting all these spam email to drain to my server? thank you all in advance __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: getting heaps of spams
An open relay shouldn't get you spammed any more than usual. It allows you to be used to spam everyone else in the world, though. Perhaps you don't really understand what you're saying about being an open relay. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: getting heaps of spams let me see if i can explain my issue better this time! I am using Trend Micro ScanMail E manager which has content filtering enabled, also running real-time scanner on exchange server. The problem is that all these exchange servers within the enterprise (located different regions of the world )have trusts between them and my exchange server will not stop anything that comes via another trusted exchange box -that sits, say in China etc. If Exchange server in China has relay open, its not that box in china that gets spammed (as correctly pointed by Ed) but mine or other. We probably need to do something about this trusting between boxes. --- John Q Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gfi . . . good product. .. . bad support. Trend = restful sleep every night. - Original Message - From: Jees [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams What is your opinion on gfi? many thanks --- Tony Hlabse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you in need of a spam solution. From: Jees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: getting heaps of spams Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:16:15 -0800 (PST) Ed, thanks for your response. Getting spams on my exchange is a daily retual to me, however, not as much as 4000 or more spam emails withing the hour. Last time, when i had such a high volume of spam, we had a look at \\exchange server\tracking.log and figured out that one of the exchange server within the enterprise had open for relaying. I can't remember now how we worked it out then, but probably experienced heaps of entries from the spamming exchange server. Hope i am making sense. --- Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can be completely relay secure yet get bombarded with spam. All Exchange servers will let spam through. Looking at the Internet headers of each message will show the stamps of the servers which handled the message. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: getting heaps of spams i have exchange 5.5 sp4 running on win 2k sp4. We have number of exchanges around the globe that has trusts between them. I am currently getting tens of thausands of spam email, however my exchange is tested and has no relying problem. I am expecting one of the exchange servers within the global enterprise is open to relying. Can someone tell me how i can check which exchange server letting all these spam email to drain to my server? thank you all in advance __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: getting heaps of spams
You can be completely relay secure yet get bombarded with spam. All Exchange servers will let spam through. Looking at the Internet headers of each message will show the stamps of the servers which handled the message. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jees Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: getting heaps of spams i have exchange 5.5 sp4 running on win 2k sp4. We have number of exchanges around the globe that has trusts between them. I am currently getting tens of thausands of spam email, however my exchange is tested and has no relying problem. I am expecting one of the exchange servers within the global enterprise is open to relying. Can someone tell me how i can check which exchange server letting all these spam email to drain to my server? thank you all in advance __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: replay log files for one user?
If he didn't POP it, he'd proably have set delivery to a PST file, which would have had exactly the same effect, and that's something you can't stop at the server. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nold Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: replay log files for one user? You guys are awesome. The reg hack did the trick. And yes it was him POPing them off. I got a new laptop and wanted to play. I set it up just like before. Anyway, one more argument for me to use against him to let me close pop and only open imap. Thanks guys! -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: replay log files for one user? Where did you check DIR? Just on the Deleted Items Folder? My best guess is that he (or someone else) configured a POP3 account and pulled it all out. IF that is the case, then it does not get moved to the Deleted Items folder. Install the Reg entry (search Google for dumpsteralwayson) and then try and do Recover Deleted Items from his Inbox and other folders. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Mark Nold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:24 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: replay log files for one user? Subject: replay log files for one user? Ex2k SP3 Win2k SP3 OL 2002 SP1 My CEO came into us today and informed us that all of his email is gone. According to him it was there at 10:05 and gone at 10:10. Of course he claims that he did not move or delete it, which I have confirmed. Nothing in the DIR, nothing in trash, or other folders. No one else has access to his mailbox. One of our guys is busy trying to figure out what happened. My task has become to get it back. I've done DR, but only for a full system. Never a single user. I was wondering if there is a way to replay the log files for single user or do I have to put all on my DR box and then drop to a pst from there to import back into his account? Your help is appreciated. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange Mailbox Setup
The question you ask is a very basic one for Exchange, which tells me that you need a class or self-study. You right-click the administrative group, then select the delegation option. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jones, Becky Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange Mailbox Setup Yes, i mean to create one for a new user. Where would i assign the Exchange View Only Admin role? On the user or put the user in a group and assign it to that group? With just basic rights, the user can launch the MMC and add a new user. But if i tried logging on to a machine that has the added exchange features as that user, the MMC wont even launch. It says I dont have enough rights. So would I create a new group and give that group some kind of permissions to exchange and then add my user to that group? (sorry if the question sounds dumb!) bec. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange Mailbox Setup Assuming by set up a mailbox you mean create one for a user account, the person needs rights to modify the user account itself, and then Exchange View Only Admin role for the administrative group. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jones, Becky Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange Mailbox Setup What specific rights does a person need to have to set up a mailbox for a user? I dont want that person to have full admin rights, and right now she does. She is not able to create the mailbox with Domain User rights. Any help is appreciated, thanks, bec. * This e-mail, including any attachments, is intended for the receipt and use by the intended addressee(s), and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use or distribution of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * This e-mail, including any attachments, is intended for the receipt and use by the intended addressee(s), and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use or distribution of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Queues - Outbound mail Not Going
Well, none of us know what exactly as before means since none of us were there before. Do you use a smart host or DNS? If you use DNS can you resolve the MX records for the destination e-mail domains with that DNS server? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul M. Done Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Queues - Outbound mail Not Going I am tying to help a fellow Exchange Admin (blind leading the blind). Running a Ex 5.5 Sp4 on Nt4 box with DNS routing, outbound mail is not going out. Inbound mail is received via .forward from a campus server. DNS entries correctly point to and from box, IMS is installed and configured exactly as before. Any ideas why outbound mail will not go. Tried going to the Queues in the IMS properties. Where I am use to seeing a pulldown box, his is gray with no option to pull down. Paul Done _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: replay log files for one user?
This usually happens because of one of the following: - Outlook is configured to deliver to a PST - User logs into mailbox using POP - One of the above from a home computer with an incorrectly configured profile - User has misconfigured his PDA synchronization software Recheck Deleted Item Recovery with an Outlook client that has the DumpsterAlwaysOn registry value set. Select the Inbox folder, then select Tools Deleted Item Recovery. Does everything show up now? Then it's very likely one of the causes I listed or something very similar. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nold Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: replay log files for one user? Ex2k SP3 Win2k SP3 OL 2002 SP1 My CEO came into us today and informed us that all of his email is gone. According to him it was there at 10:05 and gone at 10:10. Of course he claims that he did not move or delete it, which I have confirmed. Nothing in the DIR, nothing in trash, or other folders. No one else has access to his mailbox. One of our guys is busy trying to figure out what happened. My task has become to get it back. I've done DR, but only for a full system. Never a single user. I was wondering if there is a way to replay the log files for single user or do I have to put all on my DR box and then drop to a pst from there to import back into his account? Your help is appreciated. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange Users receiving messages not addressed to them
Read RFCs 821 and 822 and you can see how the address to where the mail is sent (the envelope address) via SMTP doesn't have to match what is shown in the message headers. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin Lape Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange Users receiving messages not addressed to them Has anybody had any problems with any of their users receiving email a bogus alias? One of my Exchange users has recently been receiving emails addressed to an alias that does not exist anywhere on our domain? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Neverfail for Exchange
Their website doesn't show that they've actually sold the product. In fact, there are only four press releases posted over two years. Please let us know what you find out. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Jason Clishe Subject: Neverfail for Exchange Does anyone have any experience with this product? Thoughts / comments? http://us.neverfailgroup.com/ Jason _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Restricting User
It will be difficult, but possible. By creating distribution lists (I assume you're talking about Exchange 5.5) and using the Delivery Restrictions tab of each recipient's mailbox and in the Internet Mail Service's address spaces, you can restrict who can send to whom and to the Internet. But it will be a lot of work. There's no way I know of to do this on the sender mailbox objects. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Exchange List Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Restricting User Dear List, How can I restrict a user to send mail only to a particular users. How can I accomplish this? Is there any way of doing it? Thanks in Advance. regards, irf. This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error pleaes notify the sender or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The message and attachment, if any, has been scanned for all known viruses, however we advice the recipient to check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses, UBL accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.1/1/2004 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Missing EventConfig_Servername object.
Is the Event Service running on the machine in question? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michel Fayad Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Missing EventConfig_Servername object. Hi all, I am working on a Windows 2000 (Member Server) SP4 machine with Exchange 2000 SP3 on it. When opening Exchange System Manager and you view System Folders under Public Folder you will find a folder named Events Root. Under this folder there should be an object named: EventConfig_Servename, where server name should be the Exchange 2000 Server name. On the Server in our Organization this object is missing and I need to access it to set permission to be able to run Agents on the Server. Is there a way to create this object? If not are there other ways to run agents on an Exchange 2000 Server? Thanks, Michel Fayad This message, along with any attachments, is strictly confidential, and intended solely for the use of the person or organization to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information which is covered by legal, professional, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. In this case, please destroy the email and its attachments. Any opinions presented, expressed or implied, are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Public folders contact list
That's a lot. Outlook distribution lists don't work with large numbers of members. Break it into much smaller lists and make a master list containing the smaller lists. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Alcorn Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Public folders contact list I have a public folder contact list (Master Contact) with 4000 contacts. When I try to go from A to H it bombs. Nothing shows up under H If I close Outlook and then go to H everything is there. I have tried it on the Server with 1gb of ram it it still does it. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange Mailbox Setup
Assuming by set up a mailbox you mean create one for a user account, the person needs rights to modify the user account itself, and then Exchange View Only Admin role for the administrative group. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jones, Becky Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange Mailbox Setup What specific rights does a person need to have to set up a mailbox for a user? I dont want that person to have full admin rights, and right now she does. She is not able to create the mailbox with Domain User rights. Any help is appreciated, thanks, bec. * This e-mail, including any attachments, is intended for the receipt and use by the intended addressee(s), and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use or distribution of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 5.5 To 2000 Move Mailbox Issue
For one thing there is no reason to use the Move Server Wizard if the server is already in the correct site. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Schwarz Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 To 2000 Move Mailbox Issue Moving mailboxes using the Active Directory, Exchange Tasks submenu. Move mailbox command. From what I understand, you can not use the Exchange Move Server tool if the servers are in the same site. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 5.5 To 2000 Move Mailbox Issue
Check the account you're using and be sure that it has the correct Exchange permissions. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Schwarz Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 5.5 To 2000 Move Mailbox Issue Hi everyone. I have a 2 server Exchange 5.5 site that I am trying to get over to a single 2000 server. Corp.domain.com Win2k Exchange 2k location.corp.domain.com 2X Win2k 2X Exchange 5.5 The new server in the corp.domain.com is part of the rest of the exchange site. ADC has been running and all looks ok there as well. When attempting to move a mailbox from 5.5 to 2000 the following message appears, and I can't seem to find any Microsoft articles that are pertinent. There are some that mention this error ID, but none that are an exact match to this issue. I am thinking it is a permissions issue somewhere, perhaps with the system attendant? Error: Connecting to destination server. cn=,,CN=,DC=,DC=com The attempt to log on to the Microsoft Exchange Server computer has failed. The MAPI provider failed. Microsoft Exchange Server Information Store ID no: 8004011d-0512- Any help is appreciated. Thank you! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Recover deleted items after moving between storage groups/servers
Too bad. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy I. Shannon Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Recover deleted items after moving between storage groups/servers Exchange 2k SP3 Windows 2k SP4 I moved a user from a server that we are retiring to a new server yesterday. Now he wants to restore deleted items from the retention folder, but it is empty when you bring it up. The new server has the same deleted items retention setting as the old server (30 days). Is there any way to get to the deleted items retention folder on the old server? It is still up and running and a member of the organization. Thank you for any help. Jeremy DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and also may be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, or have otherwise received this communication in error, please delete it from your inbox, notify the sender immediately, and do not disclose its contents to any other person, use them for any purpose, or store or copy them in any medium. Thank you for your cooperation. Premier Dental Products Company Incorporated _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Recover deleted items after moving between storage groups/servers
Restore from a backup taken before he deleted the items to your recovery server. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy I. Shannon Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Recover deleted items after moving between storage groups/servers Exchange 2k SP3 Windows 2k SP4 I moved a user from a server that we are retiring to a new server yesterday. Now he wants to restore deleted items from the retention folder, but it is empty when you bring it up. The new server has the same deleted items retention setting as the old server (30 days). Is there any way to get to the deleted items retention folder on the old server? It is still up and running and a member of the organization. Thank you for any help. Jeremy DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and also may be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, or have otherwise received this communication in error, please delete it from your inbox, notify the sender immediately, and do not disclose its contents to any other person, use them for any purpose, or store or copy them in any medium. Thank you for your cooperation. Premier Dental Products Company Incorporated _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2000: 2K Mailboxes cannot see Schedule+ Free/Busy System Folder.
There are several posts and replies in this forum about folders not replicating properly. I suggest you check the archives and try some of the suggestions posted. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Stevenson Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 6:35 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange 2000: 2K Mailboxes cannot see Schedule+ Free/Busy System Folder. Thanks for the reply! I forget to add that the E55 and E2k servers are in the same Admin Group/Site. I've try to replicate within the site, unsuccessfully. In Exchange Admin, I open the properties of the Schedule+ Free/Busy public folder, and under the Replica tab moved the E2k server to the Replicate Folders to column. The folder never replicated. Using the ADSI Edit util (per Q284200), I looked at the properties for the Admin Group, and it points to the E55 server (which holds the Schedule+ folder) as the SiteFolderServer. Can you think of anything else I may have missed. Thx again! You must replicate the free-busy folder between the Exchange 5.5 and 2000 public folder servers. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Stevenson Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2000: 2K Mailboxes cannot see Schedule+ Free/Busy System Folder. I've introduced Exchange 2000 (E2k) into my test Exchange 5.5 (E55) Organization. After creating a few mailboxes on E2k, I tested scheduling. An E55 mailbox sees other E55 mailbox calendar info properly, but can't see any E2k mailbox calendar info. An E2k mailbox sees neither E55 nor E2k calendar info, but sees only its own calendar. E2k seems not to recognize, or is unable to access the system/public folders on the E55 box. In the Active Directory Connector (ADC), the following CA's are running: . 2-way Recipient Agreement for Mailboxes (I changed the exchange bridgehead from the E55 box to the E2k after E2k was installed for all CA's) . 1-way Recipient Agreement for Distribution Lists . Public Folder Agreement . Configuration CA I've applied the recommendations from Knowledge Base Articles 275171 and 284200 w/ no success. In case these issues are related, I've also noticed that new mailboxes, created from AD Users and Computers for either the E55 or E2k boxes, are not generating e-mail addresses - X.400, SMTP or any proxies. Thoughts? Derrick _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2000: 2K Mailboxes cannot see Schedule+ Free/Busy System Folder.
You must replicate the free-busy folder between the Exchange 5.5 and 2000 public folder servers. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Stevenson Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2000: 2K Mailboxes cannot see Schedule+ Free/Busy System Folder. I've introduced Exchange 2000 (E2k) into my test Exchange 5.5 (E55) Organization. After creating a few mailboxes on E2k, I tested scheduling. An E55 mailbox sees other E55 mailbox calendar info properly, but can't see any E2k mailbox calendar info. An E2k mailbox sees neither E55 nor E2k calendar info, but sees only its own calendar. E2k seems not to recognize, or is unable to access the system/public folders on the E55 box. In the Active Directory Connector (ADC), the following CA's are running: . 2-way Recipient Agreement for Mailboxes (I changed the exchange bridgehead from the E55 box to the E2k after E2k was installed for all CA's) . 1-way Recipient Agreement for Distribution Lists . Public Folder Agreement . Configuration CA I've applied the recommendations from Knowledge Base Articles 275171 and 284200 w/ no success. In case these issues are related, I've also noticed that new mailboxes, created from AD Users and Computers for either the E55 or E2k boxes, are not generating e-mail addresses - X.400, SMTP or any proxies. Thoughts? Derrick _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ex 5.5 - 2003 Move Process. Using EC method, which box gets 2003 ?
Install Exchange 2003 on the new box and then move mailboxes to it. The other way is more work and you don't get any benefit. Don't forget all the preparatory steps like the ADC, ForestPrep, and DomainPrep. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walden H. Leverich III Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Ex 5.5 - 2003 Move Process. Using EC method, which box gets 2003 ? All, I've asked a similar question before, but that was 5.5 - 2000 and we didn't end up moving. So: I'm looking to move from 5.5 - 2003. At the end of the process I'll be running 2003 on the same physical box I'm now running 5.5 on. However, I don't want to do an in place upgrade so I'll be using a variation on the famous, should be patented, wonderful Ed Crowley method. I'll bring up a second server, move the mailboxes (public folder, GAL, etc.) to that new box then redo the old box as a 2003 server and move everything back. Here's the question: One of these moves will need to be from 5.5 - 2003, which? I could install 2003 on the temp box, and do the 5.5-2003 upgrade on the first move. Or I could install 5.5 on the temp box and do the upgrade on the move from the temp box back to the real box. I'm leaning toward making the temp box a 5.5 box. I've done 5.5-5.5 moves before so I know that's a snap. Also, If I make the original box the first 2003 server in the enterprise I won't have to deal with tearing down the first 2003 server right away. Thoughts? -Walden Walden H Leverich III President Tech Software (516) 627-3800 x11 (208) 692-3308 eFax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TechSoftInc.com Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrading to Exchange 2000
Upgrade to Exchange 2003 using the swing server method. Skip Exchange 2000 entirely. Exchange 2003 is superior in just about every way and why do the upgrade twice? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dolphin, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:13 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Upgrading to Exchange 2000 Finally got the budget for an upgrade of Exchange 5.5! I just started to research the upgrade process and I have a couple real quick questions...If I am missing a Service Account Admin ONLY on the recipients container (I have SAA rights for site and server and admin rights for recipients) will there be any problems upgrading (using a domain admin account). Currently we are running AD in mixed mode with one Exchange 5.5 server on Win2k. Only 90 mailboxes. On another note...can anyone recommend the BEST way to upgrade to Exchange 2000...eg:in-place or swing method or server move method. Thanks for any suggestions or pointers to help me get started. Merry X-mas everyone! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
YFR. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Actually, I have had plenty of people step forward, privately and support me. But they don't want to get involved in the list discussion. I don't need to. I'm not the one spouting ridiculous opinions about ethics. It's clear that you've lost the argument when you can't prove your case, and To whom is it clear? Noone has EVER proven wrong that accepting direct gifts from vendors when you are in an industry that provides services to clients and customers for that vendor that it is NOT a conflict of interest. instead challenge me to prove you wrong. Since you can't prove your assertion, it is not a fact, and therefore it is an opinion. Since your opinion is yours alone (noone else has stepped forward to agree with you) then you have a very small minority opinion. An opinion, I'm afraid to have to explain to you, are only as important as the stature and number of those who hold it. So, it would seem that my position prevails, and your opinion is marginal. Unless you can prove the contrary, you have no basis for arguing that there is an ethical problem with the MVP program. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics OK, I can be childish as well. You PROVE it. Prove to me that accepting gifts from vendors and then turning around to clients and providing information and services about and from those vendors is NOT a real or perceived conflict of interest. You prove that false. Prove it. It is your opinion, not a fact. Everything you cite is made up in your own mind. Again, you are mixing up fact and opinion. What you believe is not necessarily what is true. That appears to be especially true in that special place known as Deckler-Land. By the way, surrounding your claimed invitation to be an MVP, who invited you and when? I don't recall you ever offering much positive peer support in the forums, but I do recall that you were considered to be a heckler way back before Exchange was even a product with a SKU. I find it hard to believe that you would ever have been welcomed as an MVP. Care to prove this assertion as well? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that I consider to be ethical issues. I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but the system worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove how being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread rest. I tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and less-than-brilliant treatises. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The flaw here is that that Cisco Certified has clearly defined things that must be met and requires a payment to the vendor to achieve. You must PAY to get the required material. You
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Mr. Deckler argues that the IT profession will collapse into a heap unless it adopts HIS standards of ethics. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Cornetet Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Whoa! Guys! Stop! UNBIASED *That* is the crux of the problem with this debate! Taking gifts (including titles) WOULD BE UNETHICAL *IF* the client had the expectation of the professional neutrality. Most IT professionals DO NOT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, therefore taking gifts IS NOT UNETHICAL AS LONG AS the client has no expectation of neutrality. Mr. Deckler argues that the IT profession would be better off adopting a stricter ethical standard, and that may be true. BUT, to judge ethical behavior today, we must use standards as defined by the IT profession TODAY, and that standard currently says vendor whoring is fine, SO LONG AS THE CLIENT ISN'T EXPECTING NEUTRALITY. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Um, yes it DOES make it unethical. You are accepting a direct gift from a vendor and then turning around and supposedly giving unbiased technical advice to a client. That is the definition of real or perceived conflict of interest. It does not mean that you WILL act unethically, but it is OBVIOUSLY a breach of ethical conduct and conflict of interest rules. Sort of. There are no well documented criteria that you apply for and then meet, there are informal criteria that leads to an invitation.=20 As I said, others must decide whether the criteria meet the expertise they are looking for. That does not make it unethical, as you know. I seriously doubt any customer will give you a blank check simply based on being an MVP, but I know I can have a higher degree of trust for the info (usually) a MVP provides in lists like this. Best Regards,=20 Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:42 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Just so that the record is set straight and Deckler doesn't feel the need to write a 2,000-word response to this technical inaccuracy, the title of MVP isn't awarded based set standards. It's rather subjective, I must confess. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Bartley Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who view the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title warrants a level of trust and respect. Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions regarding is unethical. Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone whose priority is to *always* win the fight must sacrifice the truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. Just another opinion :-) Best Regards,=20 Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading.=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mo de=3D= lang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mo de=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Greg, you can take (and have taken) your crusade to ridiculous extremes. I daresay EVERYONE who you would respect has some potential conflict of interest. Have you disclosed to every customer every stock you hold, and the stock holdings of every mutual fund you own? Have you disclosed every trinket or favorable treatment you've received from any vendor at any time? Anything like that can be construed as a potential conflict of interest. You argue in overbroad generalities and don't draw any lines. Therefore, your arguments have no merit because they are of no use to anyone. Again, how does my being an MVP constitute even a potential conflict of interest? How does your standard of potential conflict of interest apply to everyone? Sooner of later, you're going to have to admit that a conflict of interest must be determined by the person involved, and not by your arbitrary, overbroad--even silly--generalizations. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics As long as Inovis' HR department has no rules regarding accepting gits, etc. then you are personally and *technically in the clear with regards to your job. However it does not change the basic definition of conflict of interest. You are employed at a company and paid by that company but are accepting gifts from another company which may cause your loyalties to go astray. Perhaps you are so concerned with providing this peer support that you do so on the company's time or with company equipment (Inovis). This is the whole reason why companies have conflict of interest rules and put caps and limitations on gifts. You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. Prove it. And don't use the words obvious or apparent I'm paid to be a Windows Sysadmin. I'm a Microsoft MVP. Explain to me exactly how that's a conflict of interest. The reality is that you can't, because it isn't. Now, if I was selling Microsoft and Novell solutions and held my MVP status, there could be some validity to the argument that there is a *perceived* conflict of interest. There ISN'T a conflict of interest until it affects my judgement or my recommendations to a customer. Then again, MVP status is awarded for contributions to peer technical support, which has nothing to do with selling anything. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that I consider to be ethical issues. I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but the system worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove how being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread rest. I tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and less-than-brilliant treatises. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The flaw here is that that Cisco Certified has clearly defined things that must be met
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
I see your humor is on a par with your logic. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics If truth be told, I actually LOVE to starve children. It is one of my guilty little pleasures. Some day I hope to have my own children to starve. My wife's cool with it, she likes to starve children as well. Greg, you wrote: First, I never said I was a master logician. This is simply another = in a long line of dozens of mischaracterizations of my posts that proves = the fact that you either cannot read, cannot comprehend what you read, = choose to embellish what you read or assume things about what you read. So you are going to quibble with things that I said? You people are = so whacked out that it is utterly incomprehensible. So where were you = when I was called a liar or a wife beater or stupid or idiot or = that I starve children. All of that is OK in your whacky bizarro = world, but explaining to someone that if you start a fight (in email for = Christ's sake) that I will finish that fight. Oh that is TERRIBLE! How = could you SAY such a thing. Never mind the liar, stupid, idiot = stuff, THAT, sir, is uncalled for. People mis-characterize and read things into my posts that are not = there. Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has lost = an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife beater, a = liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep learning things = about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. And, I just gotta say...a starving child reference?!?!?! I mean...what? = So now I'm taking food out of the mouths of children because I believe = that accepting a vendor honorarium is unethical? I...I...I literally = don't even know what to say to something that incredibly inane. That one = takes the cake. The original question I posed to you was: Oh - are you an MCSE? Would having those initials behind your name = enhance your credibility, marketability, business ventures and/or = profits? Would obtaining such a title be unethical and wrong? If = having those credentials put food in your children's mouths and a roof = over their heads, would your attitude change any? Did I state you starved children? Speaking of mischaracterizations, = choosing to embellish, assuming things about what you read and not = comprehending I asked you if having a specific vendor-based credential put food in to = YOUR children's mouths, would your attitude change? You can = mischaracterize, embellish, whatever to suit your needs. You should be absolutely exhausted by now from all the running in = circles you do. Stick to your guns and stay stuck or as someone else so = eloquently stated, STFU.=20 Actually, you remind me a singing and dancing Charles Durning from the = Best Little Wh0rehouse in Texas. O - I love to dance a little = sidestep.. You're shucking and jiving so much trying to win your = arguments you're doing the same things you accuse others of which = results in serious damage to any credibility you may have had. I = originally gave you credit for sticking to your beliefs but now must = retract that statement. Doctors screw up and someone dies. Lawyers screw up and someone goes to = prison or is freed to commit further crimes [you write the final chapter = on this one]. Any person involved with the medical, dental, physical, = psychological arenas [and their assistants, etc] screw up and a life is = on the line. That's the reason for federal and/or congressional = intervention along with written laws and ethics - to guide behavior so = as to NOT put a life in jeopardy. You know what happens when I screw = up? Pamela the personal assistant doesn't get her e-mail from Aunt = Betty about what pie to bake for their holiday dinner. Just have Aunt = Betty send her recipe right after I get the mail server running = again. Professionalism, honesty, competence, experience and skill count and go = a long way in this business. Being professional means policing your = own, being proficient, earning respect and being an example for others = to emulate and from there you can create the infrastructure of ethics. = You'd better hit the silk now because your plane has way too many holes = in it to fly and the hole you're landing yourself in apparently has no = room for the traits I just mentioned.. Our profession hasn't been = around long enough to begin this debate and if you think otherwise, then = go ahead and label yourself ahead of your time - your ego can handle = it. There's entirely too much
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
So you're admitting you can't prove your point? So you don't always deal in facts and logic, but your own personal opinion? Will you take the next step and agree that you opinion is not necessarily supreme? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Sure, you can't prove the something is *NOT* white. But you also cannot prove that something IS white if the person you are talking to will not look at it and say Yup, it's white alright. or even agree with your definition of white. Perhaps, your white my blue? The point was that asking me to prove that something is a conflict of interest is pointless unless you can agree to some ground rules. By not accepting and agreeing to a basic definition for conflict of interest, there are no ground rules and hence it becomes impossible to prove anything. If you are always going to debate the actual meaning of the term conflict of interest, then no one will ever convince you that ANYTHING is a conflict of interest, let alone white. Asking someone to demonstrate a negative is a logical impossibility, and a dishonest debating/argument tactic. You wouldn't win any awards if you tried to sell me a product with that kind of logic. Jim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
The first message I posted in this thread is in your PST file. I have reprinted it several times. Everything since then has been in-kind responses to yours. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Was that where you reprinted that I posted a message on Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 and you then chose to post messages that were rude, lacked basic civility and had nothing to do with the subject posted? You can retrace this conversation all you want and it is always going to come back to myself posting a question to the list and you repeatedly acting rudely until you finally forced me to respond to your blatant mis-characterization of my beliefs. I have no interest in bringing up this topic that was discussed ad nauseum eight years ago but I am always going to respond to posts that misrepresent and mischaracterize my beliefs. That which I have reprinted several times now. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics And what was before that? Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:36:07 -0800 - NINE HOURS PRIOR TO YOUR EVIDENCE From you: Ed, Your lack of professionalism is truly staggering. Let the record show that you started the name calling and personal attacks. Besides, I don't see how the comment you posted varies substantially from your subsequent diatribes. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Too easy: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:58 -0800 For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! Where did I do that? Please replay the transcript. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics No Ed, you blatantly mis-characterized my position and forced me to clarify what I believe. I am not going to let you or anyone else interpret what I believe and provide bogus information to someone when I can tell them directly what I believe without going through a third-party. All I did was to admit that I am a vendor whore. It is you who launched into a weak but wordy defense of your silly position. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_ mo de =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mo de =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface
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...circling that drain. I like that. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Helfer Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:45 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The Lurkers Support Me in E-mail! I knew it was coming, and here it is at last! Another piece of the kook puzzle falls into place. I am so happy. We are still a few steps away from the Every who is against me is just as bad as Hitler gambit, but we are surely circling that drain. Jim H -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Actually, I have had plenty of people step forward, privately and support me. But they don't want to get involved in the list discussion. I don't need to. I'm not the one spouting ridiculous opinions about ethics. It's clear that you've lost the argument when you can't prove your case, and To whom is it clear? Noone has EVER proven wrong that accepting direct gifts from vendors when you are in an industry that provides services to clients and customers for that vendor that it is NOT a conflict of interest. instead challenge me to prove you wrong. Since you can't prove your assertion, it is not a fact, and therefore it is an opinion. Since your opinion is yours alone (noone else has stepped forward to agree with you) then you have a very small minority opinion. An opinion, I'm afraid to have to explain to you, are only as important as the stature and number of those who hold it. So, it would seem that my position prevails, and your opinion is marginal. Unless you can prove the contrary, you have no basis for arguing that there is an ethical problem with the MVP program. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics OK, I can be childish as well. You PROVE it. Prove to me that accepting gifts from vendors and then turning around to clients and providing information and services about and from those vendors is NOT a real or perceived conflict of interest. You prove that false. Prove it. It is your opinion, not a fact. Everything you cite is made up in your own mind. Again, you are mixing up fact and opinion. What you believe is not necessarily what is true. That appears to be especially true in that special place known as Deckler-Land. By the way, surrounding your claimed invitation to be an MVP, who invited you and when? I don't recall you ever offering much positive peer support in the forums, but I do recall that you were considered to be a heckler way back before Exchange was even a product with a SKU. I find it hard to believe that you would ever have been welcomed as an MVP. Care to prove this assertion as well? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that I consider to be ethical issues. I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but the system worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove how being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread rest. I tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and less-than-brilliant treatises. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
I'd wager that Ed, for example, is proud of his online reputation. Thanks for the nice words. I would like to add that nobody who knows me thinks that I hesitate to criticize anything I feel deserves it, be it Microsoft or anything or anyone else. Here's one example: I've caught flack for some things I've said about Exchange clusters, which, in retrospect, were probably unfair. But that flack did not come from the MVP Program, but from within the ranks of my employer. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 12:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Well, titles can be very handy - we have an honours system in the UK that would seem to back that up. But they are not as valuable as personal reputation as is evidenced by the number of people that refuse these titles on point of principle - often very publicly. (As you have done with your MVP, it occurs to me.) I'd wager that Ed, for example, is proud of his online reputation. He would not want to be seen as being under the influence of Microsoft and if the MVP programme put him in that position or even if he felt it made a significant number of people consider him to be in that position I suspect he would not be pleased. Now 8 out of 10 list members who expressed a preference said their cats couldn't give a rat's rectum about Ed having an MVP so his reputation is intact and he's happy to continue to be an MVP. It is this issue of reputation that keeps the argument alive - not any great love or covetousness of the award. You could slag off Microsoft, Exchange, the MVP programme or the dreadful Christmas sweaters that people are wearing right now and any fuss you managed to produce would die down fairly quickly but it is the suggestion that reputations are tarnished by the acceptance of an MVP award that has got people's backs up to the extent they are. There are plenty of people on here who are not and are never likely to be MVPs but they are still prepared to argue the toss - they have no conflict of interests here, no business built on an ethical manifesto, no supplier plying them with trinkets, no particular reputation of their own to defend and no reason to defend the MVP programme. That they do suggests that they are genuine in their belief that it is harmless. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 19:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics John, you post some intelligent stuff I have to say. Yes, there is an order of magnitude argument to be had in all of this and you argue it well. I base my position on a couple of premises, but the main argument is: Titles are absolutely priceless and have the potential to be much, much more corrupting than any monetary gift. For proof, I will simply point to this entire discussion now 8 years old. At the mere mention that there *might* be a conflict of interest problem with the MVP title, which is what I posted 8 years ago, it has generated thousands upon thousands of hateful emails, dragged on over 8 YEARS and people STILL cannot let it go. That, in and of itself, proves how corrupting an influence it is. People are SO covetous of it that they cannot abide even the mere SUGGESTION that there might be an ethical conflict. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Happy holidays, Greg. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Man, I can't EVEN believe that I allowed myself to get sucked back into this infernal list again. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone. And the New Year thing. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: My Ethics are still good!
Maybe you can't buy your way into Who's Who, but I guarantee you that if you buy the Who's Who book, you'll get included a lot more in the future! Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:21 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: My Ethics are still good! I just received a phone call from the Who's Who list, and they wanted to put me in their upcoming edition. Of course, I said, in order to make it ethical, I would first have to pay you to put me in your edition. They insisted though that this was an AWARDED position based upon my credentials in my field, and you couldn't buy your way into the Who's Who. Well, I told them right then and there that I know my ethics, and if I can't buy the award, it must be unethical! Thanks Greg! I have seen the light Bob Sadler _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics SPAM
And they're misdirected. Spam is another name for UCE, unsolicited commercial e-mail, which the thread in question definitely is not. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!™ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hiatt, Jack (MARC) Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics SPAM these are worse than the debate. -Original Message- From: Troels Majlandt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 Dec 2003 14:23 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SV: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics SPAM SPAM -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Greg Deckler Sendt: 22. december 2003 19:58 Til: Exchange Discussions Emne: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The second scenario still presents the potential for a conflict of interest. If you are accepting gifts from vendors then you may not be forthcoming with all information about problems or issues with the system that might cause the client to choose NOT to migrate, hold off on migration, etc. Still the potential for conflict of interest. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the types of = consulting engagements. =20 One such type: I want to put in a new email system. Please tell me = which system from all of the major players would fit in my environment. Another such type: I've already decided that Lotus Notes is the email = system for me. Please draw from your vendor-specific expertise and help me = with my deployment. There are others of course. You seem fixated on the ethical problems = that might arise with a vendor-biased consultant being hired for the first of = my examples. In this first example, you are completely correct in pointing = out the very real conflict of interest. I cannot and should not expect completely neutral recommendations from a person who markets themselves = as an expert in $vendor's technology. Logic would dictate that the consultant would recommend the technology that they are affiliated with. =20 You have completely and repeatedly ignored the possibility of the second = (and IMO more frequently occurring) type. If I am already running a $vendor = shop, I want to hire the best talent I can. I would expect that the best = talent I can find would be familiar with $vendor technology. The decision to use = a particular vendor has already been made. By me. Without any prodding = or cajoling by said consultant. =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
It may have ended now. Even if it hasn't, you can rest assured that it will eventually. It always does. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I really must apologise for that moment of panic. And apologise for this apology which I am sure is of no use to anyone. Where will it all end? I feel like I'm watching the intro to Monty Python and the Holy Grail. And the Vikings sketch. Anyway. Sorry. -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 18:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Don't Feed the Troll!!! The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: adprep /forestprep versus exchange2000
This is not strictly required, but I would recommend you do it because you never know if you will want to use these attributes in the future. The process only takes a few minutes. Have you seen this fine article: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325379 ? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Microsoft Exchange List Server Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: adprep /forestprep versus exchange2000 Hi all, W2kAD (w2k+sp4) Exchange2000+Sp3 We plan to upgrade both our W2KAD(native) and W2KDcs to W2K3AD and W2K3 respectively. We already have exchange2000+Sp3 already installed in our domain. Could you please tell me if this article is needed, I am not sure if this article (mangled ldapdisplay) can be ignored because of our exchange2000+SP3. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314649Product=exch2 k if the article is needed do you think that the changes can be done using adsi editor instead of the ldf? Thx -Eric _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outsourcing email?
A big issue with outsourcing can be if the company in question goes out of business, in which case you often have a short time to make alternative arrangements. Since the company won't actually be hosting your e-mail, your risk is smaller, but still worth considering. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!™ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boyd, Nathan Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Outsourcing email? List,  What do you think of using an outsourced Spam service like Postini?  For our environment it is a choice of using Postini internally (via existing Trend IMSS) or sending all mail via Postini.  What do people think of sending mail to another service? Personally I have concerns with SEC and HIPPA; I also worry about rising costs once we are with them, response times for emergency etc.  Nathan _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP Logging options?
They are copies delivered to that location because you asked for it by setting the Message Archival diagnostic logging setting. Set it back to None and they'll stop accruing. Delete the files at your leisure. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanjeev Sharma Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Logging options? Ex 5.5, SP4. The Diagnostics Logging for Message Archival is set to Medium on the front end exchange server. When I look into the imcdata\In\Archive folder I see tons of email files with alpha-numeric name. I see in every minute there are about 4 to 5 emails. Are these messages have already been delivered? I try to open some of them and noticed some are legitimate messages and some are spam. My question is why the good messages get delivered to this location. I also see the same in imcdata\Out\Archive folder. Can I delete these messages without causing any harm to the application because? Please help me to understand this. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Logging options? Yeah, I don't try to block everything, but I do occasionally block individual IPs that seem to be extra chatty. Doing it all is impossible. Some folks use one RBL or another on a gateway server, but that has its own drawbacks. Yes, the logs I'm talking about are the ones in imcdata\log. IIS SMTP logs are similar, but not exactly the same. In particular, IIS SMTP doesn't log the AUTH handshake. :( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Logging options? Yes, but for every single IP I block 10 more show up. It has more of a feel of a hole or a compd password especially when I come in AM and there are 24,000 ndr's in the que. Just to clarify are the logs you are talking about a few emails ago are in fact the logs from the imcdata/log folder yes? Can IIS smtp logs be expected to be in the same format? -Original Message- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Logging options? The AUTH you posted below was just an advertisement from your server to the sending server saying that AUTH is supported. You didn't actually receive an AUTH from the sending server. You can see the IP that the messages are coming from - you can block any connections from that IP to reduce the traffic. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Logging options? I didn't take it as a slam :) I'll read those rfc's So those auth's should be there cause they are NDR's, Now I just need to find the entries for the real messages that are causing the ndr's and find out what user they are using. In the mean time and I am going to cut my timeouts down to nothing so the que's stop piling up and my users can get legit email through. I wish I had my entire work day to dedicate to just email, unfortunately some of us have to wear many hats. e- -Original Message- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:08 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Logging options? Answering myself here... This is one of those big reasons why I believe that everyone should be familiar with the SMTP RFCs (2821 and 2822). You have to know what you're looking at to understand how to diagnose issues that come up. If you're not willing to learn how to read the dipstick, you better be willing to pay a mechanic to check the oil for you every so often. This isn't meant to be a slam on Mr. Hansen, rather a handy example to all the readers of the value of some basic knowledge of how the things you are responsible for function. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 3:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Logging options? No, just advertising that AUTH LOGIN is available isn't the bad thing. There was not an authentication done in that transaction. That message was accepted, as messages from postmaster ought to be. What would be bad is if your server then tried to make an outbound connection to chaudhry.co.uk (assuming that's not one of your internal domains). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP Logging options? Ok I think
RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Is that an opinion or fact? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics His comments don't even require a response to validate them. Why bother then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:22 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics It may have ended now. Even if it hasn't, you can rest assured that it will eventually. It always does. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:52 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I really must apologise for that moment of panic. And apologise for this apology which I am sure is of no use to anyone. Where will it all end? I feel like I'm watching the intro to Monty Python and the Holy Grail. And the Vikings sketch. Anyway. Sorry. -Original Message- From: Bowles, John (OIG/OMP) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2003 18:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Recall: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Don't Feed the Troll!!! The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
In one breath, you claim that you're all about facts and logic. But in the next breath, you admit that you can't prove the obvious. The two statements, at least to me, are incompatible. What I draw from those two statements is that you have opinions you consider to be fact, and are incapable of proving them. The easiest proof, in your mind, is to call them obvious and walk away, which, of course, proves nothing. More comments inline. In summary, Greg, I think you ought to seek professional help. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 First, I never said I was a master logician. This is simply another in a long line of dozens of mischaracterizations of my posts that proves the fact that you either cannot read, cannot comprehend what you read, choose to embelish what you read or assume things about what you read. What I said was that I stick to the facts and logic, not that I am a master logician See above. Second, philosophers have been arguing over existence for a long, long time now. And the fact that I exist is pretty evident and obvious to me at least. Well, I'm glad you got that off your chest. Perhaps you might care to explain its relevance to this discussion. Finally, I really have no interest in proving the obvious to you or anyone else. Then you have no grounds assert that what you say is grounded in facts and logic. So I am free to argue that everything you say is grounded in hot air. It is obvious To whom? that computers and technology have become critically important components of everyone's daily lives. I know at least one person who has no computer and derives very little benefit from them. So your point is wrong. It is obvious To whom? that the entire recorded history of occupations and public welfare laws in the United States points to the fact that as an occupation becomes increasingly important to the public welfare that licensing and other laws are passed to regulate it's behavior. That would be its. Again, obvious to whom? It is obvious To whom? that without self-regulation that these laws will likely be passed by state governments and could be quite restricting and quite harsh. This is conjecture, not facts or even logic. It is obvious that because of the computer industry's rather libertarian bent Deckler's rule #53 for arguing: When you can't prove something, give it a label that has all sorts of connotations. Yeah, Microsoft is real libertarian. This supposition shows just how little about computers and the computer industry you really understand. that we, as independent computer consultants and professionals, have no single voice with which to speak in order to combat laws and regulations that others would pass to regulate us. Personally, being that I am a member, the Computer Society of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers speaks for me. I do not interpret its standards of ethics to read that accepting a small gratuity from a partner company to be a massive conflict of interest. Sorry to bring this argument back on topic, but I felt that you're wandering off in some other direction. It is obvious Again, obvious to whom? that with self-regulation comes less of a need for government to pass laws and regulations hence keeping government off our backs. So, accepting a small gratuity from a partner vendor will cause the government to over-regulate the computer industry? Wow! I never realized the implications. I shall resign my MVP status at once to save the industry! Yes Ed, it is obvious To whom? that I sit back in my chair with a nice smug smirk plastered right across my face You always have that smug smirk. because I know that if you don't like MY ethics, This implies that all of this is obvious to you. Is that what you mean? It isn't obvious to me. Is it obvious to anyone else who might still be reading this thread at this point? boy are you going to hate the ethics imposed upon you by government. Oh my god! Now I'm resigning my MVP status for the good of the country! Maybe I can get some sort of medal for this. It makes me laugh so hard that because you and others like you will not even admit to a simple, obvious, conflict of interest that you have doomed EVERYONE in IT to ever increasing government regulation. You really believe this? Why do I laugh? Because you're insane? Shouldn't I care because I am in IT as well? I laugh because I don't care. I'll find something else to do. I am no crusader and Ed, frankly, people like you are not worth crusading for. In fact, you; in particular Ed, DESERVE to be regulated by the goverment. In other words, we're all damned to hell, but you'll go to heaven. Greg
RE: Upgrade from 2003 RC1
Install another domain controller, move all the FSMO roles to it, make it a GC. Retire the original server and rebuild it from scratch properly and move everything back. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Crawford Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Upgrade from 2003 RC1 I recently asked this question at microsoft.public.exchange.admin, and failing to get an answer in a couple of days, thought I'd ask again here. It's possible I'm being impatient, since I'm mostly working during this Christmas season while the person who knows the answer is doubtlessly taking a much-deserved holiday, but on the off-chance that the Someone Who Knows is currently available I'm going to repost it here I find myself in a very deep crack here. I installed RC1 last summer, let it expire, and then last week attempted to upgrade it to RTM. Seemed to work. However, the RTM continues to behave as though it is time-limited and announces my eval period has expired, shutting Exchange down after a half-hour to an hour. So, trying to back out of this situation, I thought to uninstall. However, I am prevented from uninstalling by a message which declares that an upgrade from Standard to Enterprise is in progress and that I must do a Reinstall to complete it. Unfortunately, even after a Reinstall, the problems persist, and I can go neither forward nor backward. So, there it is. Re-building the domain is not an option here, since it is a production domain...Any assistance greatly appreciated, Patrick Crawford VaspTech LLC _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
So how fundamentally different is paying Microsoft to be a Partner than being an MVP? It's true that I don't pay actual money to be an MVP, but I do work for it. Don't you have to sign lots of agreement papers to be a Partner? Do you give all your customers copies of those papers so they can assess the level of conflict of interest? So if I send Microsoft a dollar for my MVP status, the conflict of interest ends? You still haven't proven your assertion that my accepting the small gratuity and title associated with MVP constitutes a conflict of interest. Your only proof so far is along the lines of, It's obvious, or It is because I say it is. Perhaps it's because you can't prove it? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit to the obvious and just want to pick a fight. And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, in my youth, I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG. So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been offended in any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff said that you have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about the DISTINCT difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs you money, the other doesn't. I am not quibbling with what you said, I'm instead taking offense at what you said. You see, you can't claim to be the all ethical sort you want, if you can't even pass the ethics test of your own making. I didn't post any of those points on your website, someone from YOUR company did, and you are the one claiming to hold them near and dear. How interesting that you choose to respond ONLY to one point, and then make irrelevant statements about people calling you names. Since I didn't call you names sir, perhaps you should go back and re-read the whole message. It's not that I consider you a liar, or that you are stupid. I now consider you incapable of having any type of intelligent discussion based on the fact that you choose to ignore 2/3rds of what was posted, or should I just assume that you chose not to discuss those points because you couldn't keep your I have my Ethics argument and all this would be moot? Speaking of MOOT, can anyone tell me what top 10 classic rock single contains the word MOOT? Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics So you are going to quibble with things that I said? You people are so whacked out that it is utterly incomprehensible. So where were you when I was called a liar or a wife beater or stupid or idiot or that I
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Okay, not a Microsoft wh0re. I'm just someone whose shoddy ethics will bring about the end of the computer industry. To set the record straight, I originally characterized myself, not you, a vendor whore. Wouldn't want to limit my income potential, you know. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading. I do not claim that all MVP's are Microsoft wh0res. I simply don't claim that. In fact, I have posted things in direct opposition to that claim. If you are going to make such blatant mis-characterizations, then I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, which I can only assume you will then take as proof that you are right or that I cannot make rational arguments or whatever other non-sense you want to claim. Ethical god? Please. I have, nor ever will claim to be an ethical god. I have my set of ethics that I follow, period. And I did not bring up this whole point of ethics on this list. I posted an email about Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 that then degenerated into this mess. Thank your buddy Ed for that. And about this claim that I am not following my own ethical guidelines. Hey, there may be some truth to it. I haven't seen any proof from what miserable evidence you have supplied, but I am more than willing to admit that I may not live up to every single bit of the ethical code that I have. Know what? It doesn't matter. An ethical code is the ceiling, it is what everyone should aspire to, but it is not expected that everyone will ALWAYS actually achieve every single little detail. That's not what ethics is about. The laws are the floor, the ethical code the ceiling, aspire to get as close to the ceiling as possible. All I can say is that I try my absolute hardest, every day, to meet my own ethical standards. Do I succeed every day? No, but I TRY. Finally, just because the officer that tickets you for speeding murdered his wife last night doesn't mean that you DIDN'T break the law for speeding. I have no credibility because I don't say BOO? Ok then...BOO Do I get credibility now? In all seriousness, I'm not the one who claims that all MVP's are Microsoft Whores or that MVP's are doing anything wrong in their world. Since, you are the one that brought up the point of ethics, I assumed it was you that were claiming to be the ethical god here. Perhaps your pointing out that you don't accept gifts because of your ethics was where I went astray. As for the litmus test you are under, I suggest you read your own website. YOU are working for that company, and YOU are the one that should be upholding ALL the virtues of that company, not me, not ED, not TONY, heck, not even DON; only you! You don't like what your company puts up as a litmus test, then I suggest you find a job elsewhere. One thing still stands, you still aren't drumming up business in this list when you explode on potential customers. I hope you never decide to come calling on my account, I'm sure your boss would like to know the reason I refused you a meeting was because you don't know when to shut up. As for the name-calling that goes on this list, I suggest you shut up, sit back, and learn. Sure, Ed, Tony, and Don (and a few more) can certainly be grating on someone's nerves, but I will promise you, they know more about Exchange Systems then you could wish to know in a lifetime. While I don't choose to instruct in the same way these people do, I certainly understand where they get to the point and call someone an idiot for not looking up an issue like How do I turn on my computer before posting it to the list. Remember, the people on this list are under ZERO obligation to help you, or anyone else. When they do choose to help, they can save your butt more times then not. But they WILL NOT, nor should the be expected to, put up with damn fools that ask a question that would be answered faster if that person would have taken the time to research the question themselves. Sure, I don't like being called Lazy, but I promise, it took only once from ED to make me understand that I better research the hell out of something before I bring it here. Even then, I don't expect Ed, or the rest, to be nice when it's a stupid ass mistake I made myself and have no one to blame but myself. You don't like the people in this list, change to a different list. But don't complain about the free service you get here, just because you don't like it when someone calls you a stupid fool for not doing your homework before you got here. Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Actually, I recall (perhaps inaccurately, though) that he claims he was offered an MVP but he refused it. I do not know any actual facts other than his own claims on this matter, however. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sadler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I get this strange idea that someone wasn't chosen to be an MVP and is very very angry about it :) Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics So how fundamentally different is paying Microsoft to be a Partner than being an MVP? It's true that I don't pay actual money to be an MVP, but I do work for it. Don't you have to sign lots of agreement papers to be a Partner? Do you give all your customers copies of those papers so they can assess the level of conflict of interest? So if I send Microsoft a dollar for my MVP status, the conflict of interest ends? You still haven't proven your assertion that my accepting the small gratuity and title associated with MVP constitutes a conflict of interest. Your only proof so far is along the lines of, It's obvious, or It is because I say it is. Perhaps it's because you can't prove it? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit to the obvious and just want to pick a fight. And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, in my youth, I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG. So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been offended in any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff said that you have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about the DISTINCT difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs you money, the other doesn't. I am not quibbling with what you said, I'm instead taking offense at what you said. You see, you can't claim to be the all ethical sort you want, if you can't even pass the ethics test of your own making. I didn't post any of those points on your website, someone from YOUR company did, and you are the one claiming to hold them near and dear. How interesting that you choose to respond ONLY to one point, and then make irrelevant statements about people calling you names. Since I didn't call you names sir, perhaps you should go back and re-read the whole message. It's not that I consider you a liar, or that you are stupid. I now
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Just so that the record is set straight and Deckler doesn't feel the need to write a 2,000-word response to this technical inaccuracy, the title of MVP isn't awarded based set standards. It's rather subjective, I must confess. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Bartley Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who view the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title warrants a level of trust and respect. Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions regarding is unethical. Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone whose priority is to *always* win the fight must sacrifice the truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. Just another opinion :-) Best Regards, Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Comments inline. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed, you apparently have never had children that continually ask why. Oh, but I do. And I answer them to the best of my ability. Perhaps you should do the same. Why do you exist? Because it is obvious that you exist, you would not be standing here talking to me if you did not exist. We are not arguing my existence. We are arguing the whether accepting a small gift of appreciation and a title from a partner company for providing peer support is unethical. Why? Well, because you first have to exist before you can talk. Why? Because otherwise you wouldn't have vocal cords. But why? Let's get back to the topic instead of your feeble attempts to distract me. And no Ed, I am not calling you a child, I am saying that you are acting like a child. Now, that's the pot calling the kettle black. Anyone can argue with anything as long as they deny the obvious. You still haven't answered to whom these things are obvious. Just because something is obvious to you in your little fantasy world doesn't mean that they're obvious to me. I can argue over my own existence and nobody will be able to prove that I exist as long as I want to deny the obvious fact that I exist. I am not denying anyone's existence. I am denying that your value judgments are obvious. They are only obvious to you. This is what you are doing and while you can deny the obvious, To whom? it does not mean that the obvious is not true, You are the one stating your opinion as fact and as being obvious, so you have the burden of proof to show that your opinions are true and obvious. that you and I both exist I know you exist because I have seen and met you (unless Greg Deckler died between then and now and you is an impostor). I suspect that it is not necessarily obvious to many on this list that you exist. Perhaps I am the one who is mad and I invented you and I write this entire argument just for the list's entertainment (or whatever). So, you see, even the fact that you and I exist isn't necessarily obvious to all. But that isn't the subject here. The subject is whether accepting a small gratuity and title from a partner company for providing peer support is unethical. And on that point, you have yet to make a satisfactory case, in my opinion. and that the IT industry either regulates itself or will be regulated by government. Nice conjecture. Guess what? I know people that have never used an Auctioneer, but guess what? The Ohio Revised Code has explicit laws and regulations regarding the Auctioneer occupation. Is that because they became MVPs? I know certain hippies that have never gotten a haircut. Guess what? The Ohio Revised Code has extensive laws and regulations regarding the Barber occupation. Are there extensive laws and regulations regarding the hippie occupation? Your use of that term tells a lot, by the way. There are also laws and regulations for... Architects, Attorneys, Cosmetologists, Dentists, Embalmers, Telephone Solicitors, Innkeepers, Nurses, Pawnbrokers, Precious Metal Dealers, Chiropractors, Real Estate Brokers, Plumbers, Sanitarians, Secondhand Dealers; Junk Yards, Motor Vehicle Salvage, Hearing Aid Dealers, Private Investigators, Speech-Language Pathologists How many of those because regulated because they accepted MVP status? In any of your long-winded fatuous posts will you ever address exactly how this is unethical? ...just to name a few That reminds me of the and much more that always ends a list in television commercials. Okay, how many more are there? One, two? In one breath, you claim that you're all about facts and logic. But in the next breath, you admit that you can't prove the obvious. The two statements, at least to me, are incompatible. What I draw from those two statements is that you have opinions you consider to be fact, and are incapable of proving them. The easiest proof, in your mind, is to call them obvious and walk away, which, of course, proves nothing. More comments inline. In summary, Greg, I think you ought to seek professional help. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 First, I never said I was a master logician. This is simply another in a long line of dozens of mischaracterizations of my posts that proves the fact that you either cannot read, cannot comprehend what you read, choose to embelish
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
What started this whole mess is your unique (that wasn't my first choice of adjectives) point of view on ethics and your insistence that it is the correct and only viewpoint. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Again, your ignorance of the facts makes you look foolish. I was asked to be an MVP and turned it down. That's what started this whole mess 8 years ago. I get this strange idea that someone wasn't chosen to be an MVP and is very very angry about it :) Bob Sadler -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics So how fundamentally different is paying Microsoft to be a Partner than being an MVP? It's true that I don't pay actual money to be an MVP, but I do work for it. Don't you have to sign lots of agreement papers to be a Partner? Do you give all your customers copies of those papers so they can assess the level of conflict of interest? So if I send Microsoft a dollar for my MVP status, the conflict of interest ends? You still haven't proven your assertion that my accepting the small gratuity and title associated with MVP constitutes a conflict of interest. Your only proof so far is along the lines of, It's obvious, or It is because I say it is. Perhaps it's because you can't prove it? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit to the obvious and just want to pick a fight. And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, in my youth, I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG. So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been offended in any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff said that you have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about the DISTINCT difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs you money, the other doesn't. I am not quibbling with what you said, I'm instead taking offense at what you said. You see, you can't claim to be the all ethical sort=20 you want, if you can't even pass the ethics test of your own making. =20 I didn't post any of those points on your website, someone from YOUR=20 company did, and you are the one claiming to hold them near and dear. =20 How interesting
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
You've never proven that it is a breach of ethics, much less egregious. And your admission of even a slight change of your point of view shows just how fatuous your argument is. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Well, you're missing the big picture and the whole point, but yes, if you paid Microsoft, even one dollar, then it would not be such an egregious breach of ethics. So how fundamentally different is paying Microsoft to be a Partner than being an MVP? It's true that I don't pay actual money to be an MVP, but I do work for it. Don't you have to sign lots of agreement papers to be a Partner? Do you give all your customers copies of those papers so they can assess the level of conflict of interest? So if I send Microsoft a dollar for my MVP status, the conflict of interest ends? You still haven't proven your assertion that my accepting the small gratuity and title associated with MVP constitutes a conflict of interest. Your only proof so far is along the lines of, It's obvious, or It is because I say it is. Perhaps it's because you can't prove it? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit to the obvious and just want to pick a fight. And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, in my youth, I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG. So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been offended in any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff said that you have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about the DISTINCT difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs you money, the other doesn't. I am not quibbling with what you said, I'm instead taking offense at what you said. You see, you can't claim to be the all ethical sort you want, if you can't even pass the ethics test of your own making. I didn't post any of those points on your website, someone from YOUR company did, and you are the one claiming to hold them near and dear. How interesting that you choose to respond ONLY to one point, and then make irrelevant statements about people calling you names. Since I didn't call you names sir, perhaps you should go back and re-read the whole message. It's not that I consider you a liar, or that you are stupid. I now consider you incapable of having any type
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
All I did was to admit that I am a vendor whore. It is you who launched into a weak but wordy defense of your silly position. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I HAVE tried to let it rest. Ed brought up this whole topic from a message posted as Migrating from GroupWise 6.5. Don't blame me for bringing the topic up because I DIDN'T BRING THE TOPIC UP. And no, I never said that MVP's would cause the demise of the computer industry. What I said was, today we have a choice to either regulate ourselves or to wait for government to regulate us. That is what I said. I am more than happy to wait around for government to regulate us, that's why I don't bring up this whole ethics discussion. The computer industry is not going away, it will simply be more regulated. If we do it ourselves, we have a say in those regulations. If we do not, then government gets to have that say. Then you live your ethics, and let the rest of us live ours. Then, when the IT industry goes to hell in a handbasket, you can blame us all for it's demise. We (speaking collectively here) don't believe that MVP's are unethical for receiving a small stipend or gift (whatever it might be). You do. That's fine, but stop trying to force it upon the rest of us. Our views aren't going to change, and your views aren't going to change, so let it rest.=20 Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 PM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading.=20 I do not claim that all MVP's are Microsoft wh0res. I simply don't claim that. In fact, I have posted things in direct opposition to that claim. If you are going to make such blatant mis-characterizations, then I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, which I can only assume you will then take as proof that you are right or that I cannot make rational arguments or whatever other non-sense you want to claim. Ethical god? Please. I have, nor ever will claim to be an ethical god. I have my set of ethics that I follow, period. And I did not bring up this whole point of ethics on this list. I posted an email about Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 that then degenerated into this mess. Thank your buddy Ed for that. And about this claim that I am not following my own ethical guidelines. Hey, there may be some truth to it. I haven't seen any proof from what miserable evidence you have supplied, but I am more than willing to admit that I may not live up to every single bit of the ethical code that I have. Know what? It doesn't matter. An ethical code is the ceiling, it is what everyone should aspire to, but it is not expected that everyone will ALWAYS actually achieve every single little detail. That's not what ethics is about. The laws are the floor, the ethical code the ceiling, aspire to get as close to the ceiling as possible. All I can say is that I try my absolute hardest, every day, to meet my own ethical standards. Do I succeed every day? No, but I TRY. Finally, just because the officer that tickets you for speeding murdered his wife last night doesn't mean that you DIDN'T break the law for speeding. I have no credibility because I don't say BOO? Ok then...BOO =20 Do I get credibility now? =20 In all seriousness, I'm not the one who claims that all MVP's are=20 Microsoft Whores or that MVP's are doing anything wrong in their world. Since, you are the one that brought up the point of ethics, I assumed=20 it was you that were claiming to be the ethical god here. Perhaps=20 your pointing out that you don't accept gifts because of your ethics=20 was where I went astray. =20 As for the litmus test you are under, I suggest you read your own=20 website. YOU are working for that company, and YOU are the one that=20 should be upholding ALL the virtues of that company, not me, not ED,=20 not TONY, heck, not even DON; only you! You don't like what your=20 company puts up as a litmus test, then I suggest you find a job elsewhere. =20 One thing still stands, you still aren't drumming up business in this=20 list when you explode on potential customers. I hope you never=20 decide to come calling on my account, I'm sure your boss would like to know the reason I refused you a meeting was because you don't know=20 when to shut up. =20 As for the name-calling
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that I consider to be ethical issues. I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but the system worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove how being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread rest. I tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and less-than-brilliant treatises. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The flaw here is that that Cisco Certified has clearly defined things that must be met and requires a payment to the vendor to achieve. You must PAY to get the required material. You must PAY to take the tests. You must PAY for the certification. MVP is a gift. There are no explicit requirements and there is no exchange of currency. This is the CLEAR difference between certifications and gifts like MVP. Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who view the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title warrants a level of trust and respect. Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions regarding is unethical. Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone whose priority is to *always* win the fight must sacrifice the truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. Just another opinion :-) Best Regards,=20 Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading.=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrade from 2003 RC1
There are Microsoft KB articles that will tell you exactly how to do it. After you move all five FSMO roles, you can then demote the domain controller and then rebuild the server. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Crawford Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2003 RC1 There's already another DC in the domain, which is a GC. How do I move the FSMO roles to it? And does that satisfy your instructions below? - Original Message - From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: RE: Upgrade from 2003 RC1 Install another domain controller, move all the FSMO roles to it, make it a GC. Retire the original server and rebuild it from scratch properly and move everything back. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Crawford Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:16 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Upgrade from 2003 RC1 I recently asked this question at microsoft.public.exchange.admin, and failing to get an answer in a couple of days, thought I'd ask again here. It's possible I'm being impatient, since I'm mostly working during this Christmas season while the person who knows the answer is doubtlessly taking a much-deserved holiday, but on the off-chance that the Someone Who Knows is currently available I'm going to repost it here I find myself in a very deep crack here. I installed RC1 last summer, let it expire, and then last week attempted to upgrade it to RTM. Seemed to work. However, the RTM continues to behave as though it is time-limited and announces my eval period has expired, shutting Exchange down after a half-hour to an hour. So, trying to back out of this situation, I thought to uninstall. However, I am prevented from uninstalling by a message which declares that an upgrade from Standard to Enterprise is in progress and that I must do a Reinstall to complete it. Unfortunately, even after a Reinstall, the problems persist, and I can go neither forward nor backward. So, there it is. Re-building the domain is not an option here, since it is a production domain...Any assistance greatly appreciated, Patrick Crawford VaspTech LLC _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Unbiased? In what world? I am an Exchange and Windows consultant. My customers want our and Microsoft's best practices. I really can't see how there is any conflict of interest being an MVP with regard to the job I do. In fact, it's a benefit because it gives me access to resources I wouldn't have otherwise, so I can do a better job for my custmers. I can see how your argument might hold water in some circumstances, but you fail to prove how it creates a fundamental conflict of interest that isn't best judged by each MVP individually and according to his own standards and conscience. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:59 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Um, yes it DOES make it unethical. You are accepting a direct gift from a vendor and then turning around and supposedly giving unbiased technical advice to a client. That is the definition of real or perceived conflict of interest. It does not mean that you WILL act unethically, but it is OBVIOUSLY a breach of ethical conduct and conflict of interest rules. Sort of. There are no well documented criteria that you apply for and then meet, there are informal criteria that leads to an invitation.=20 As I said, others must decide whether the criteria meet the expertise they are looking for. That does not make it unethical, as you know. I seriously doubt any customer will give you a blank check simply based on being an MVP, but I know I can have a higher degree of trust for the info (usually) a MVP provides in lists like this. Best Regards,=20 Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:42 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Just so that the record is set straight and Deckler doesn't feel the need to write a 2,000-word response to this technical inaccuracy, the title of MVP isn't awarded based set standards. It's rather subjective, I must confess. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Bartley Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who view the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title warrants a level of trust and respect. Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions regarding is unethical. Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone whose priority is to *always* win the fight must sacrifice the truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. Just another opinion :-) Best Regards,=20 Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading.=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mo de=3D= lang =3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mo de=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
It's obvious. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics How am I changing position? I have always stated that the problem with MVP is that it is a gift. If you paid for it and it were not a gift, then it is something that you PAID for, just like MCSE or any other certification. Explain how this is a change in my point of view? You've never proven that it is a breach of ethics, much less egregious. And your admission of even a slight change of your point of view shows just how fatuous your argument is. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Well, you're missing the big picture and the whole point, but yes, if you paid Microsoft, even one dollar, then it would not be such an egregious breach of ethics. So how fundamentally different is paying Microsoft to be a Partner than being an MVP? It's true that I don't pay actual money to be an MVP, but I do work for it. Don't you have to sign lots of agreement papers to be a Partner? Do you give all your customers copies of those papers so they can assess the level of conflict of interest? So if I send Microsoft a dollar for my MVP status, the conflict of interest ends? You still haven't proven your assertion that my accepting the small gratuity and title associated with MVP constitutes a conflict of interest. Your only proof so far is along the lines of, It's obvious, or It is because I say it is. Perhaps it's because you can't prove it? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit to the obvious and just want to pick a fight. And yes, for all of you out there, I am nearly certain that, in my youth, I accepted direct gifts from vendors. I cannot recall any particular occassion, but I'm willing to bet that it probably occurred. And guess what? I stopped that long, long, long ago because IT IS WRONG. So, to sum it up, you have no credibility that you have been offended in any way because there have been lots more offensive stuff said that you have not said boo about. And, you are in self-denial about the DISTINCT difference between accepting a pure gift from a vendor and PAYING that vendor to attend a convention, etc. Here's a hint. One costs you money
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Yeah, you turned it into two threads instead of one. Good thinking. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:04 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Yes, it seemed silly to me to have a discussion in no way related to Migrating to GroupWise 6.5 taking place under that title, so I chose to create a thread that more accurately depicted the discussion. This was done so that people could more easily weed it out and ignore it if they wanted. Dude? This particular topic was started by *you* on 12/18. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics =20 =20 I HAVE tried to let it rest. Ed brought up this whole topic=20 from a message posted as Migrating from GroupWise 6.5. Don't blame me for=20 bringing the topic up because I DIDN'T BRING THE TOPIC UP. =20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where did I do that? Please replay the transcript. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics No Ed, you blatantly mis-characterized my position and forced me to clarify what I believe. I am not going to let you or anyone else interpret what I believe and provide bogus information to someone when I can tell them directly what I believe without going through a third-party. All I did was to admit that I am a vendor whore. It is you who launched into a weak but wordy defense of your silly position. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Prove it. It is your opinion, not a fact. Everything you cite is made up in your own mind. Again, you are mixing up fact and opinion. What you believe is not necessarily what is true. That appears to be especially true in that special place known as Deckler-Land. By the way, surrounding your claimed invitation to be an MVP, who invited you and when? I don't recall you ever offering much positive peer support in the forums, but I do recall that you were considered to be a heckler way back before Exchange was even a product with a SKU. I find it hard to believe that you would ever have been welcomed as an MVP. Care to prove this assertion as well? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that I consider to be ethical issues. I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but the system worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove how being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread rest. I tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and less-than-brilliant treatises. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The flaw here is that that Cisco Certified has clearly defined things that must be met and requires a payment to the vendor to achieve. You must PAY to get the required material. You must PAY to take the tests. You must PAY for the certification. MVP is a gift. There are no explicit requirements and there is no exchange of currency. This is the CLEAR difference between certifications and gifts like MVP. Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who view the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title warrants a level of trust and respect. Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions regarding is unethical. Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone whose priority is to *always* win the fight must sacrifice the truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. Just another opinion :-) Best Regards,=20 Dan Bartley -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit reading.=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe
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If I send $1 to my MVP buddy, then it's less ethical. What is the exact dollar figure that I should pay Microsoft in order that my ethics breach no longer is a problem? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:12 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Yes, I know that it is obvious that I have not changed my position and that you, yet again, are wrong. It's obvious. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics How am I changing position? I have always stated that the problem with MVP is that it is a gift. If you paid for it and it were not a gift, then it is something that you PAID for, just like MCSE or any other certification. Explain how this is a change in my point of view? You've never proven that it is a breach of ethics, much less egregious. And your admission of even a slight change of your point of view shows just how fatuous your argument is. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Well, you're missing the big picture and the whole point, but yes, if you paid Microsoft, even one dollar, then it would not be such an egregious breach of ethics. So how fundamentally different is paying Microsoft to be a Partner than being an MVP? It's true that I don't pay actual money to be an MVP, but I do work for it. Don't you have to sign lots of agreement papers to be a Partner? Do you give all your customers copies of those papers so they can assess the level of conflict of interest? So if I send Microsoft a dollar for my MVP status, the conflict of interest ends? You still haven't proven your assertion that my accepting the small gratuity and title associated with MVP constitutes a conflict of interest. Your only proof so far is along the lines of, It's obvious, or It is because I say it is. Perhaps it's because you can't prove it? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics First, you have no credibility on the point. You find the phrase I finish them (fights) offensive but not someone being called a liar, stupid, idiot, wife beater. You simply have zaro credibility. Second, as for your other two points, our customers and potential customers are made well aware of any and all potential conflicts of interest. We practice full disclosure. In addition, meeting with a vendor to talk about their new products is in no way even CLOSE to accepting a title or gift from said vendor. But, there is no point to even debating this with you because you are never going to see it because you are going to deny the obvious. Yes, I have to deal with vendors just like everyone else in this industry. It is a fact of life. But, I don't have to like it and no, generally, I almost NEVER meet with vendors and when I do, it is for specific purposes, I get in, get the information and get out. Finally, you have obviously shown your bias by claiming that I claim to be the all ethical sort. And to my knowledge, I have no ethics test that I have created. This is a blatant mis-characterization and exposes your bias. I am not, nor ever will be all ethical and holier than thou. I have *different* ethics apparently than many on this board, but I have never claimed to be perfect or that my ethics are the end all, be all. Yes, I have paid to attend conventions, I have paid to be a Microsoft partner. In some strict ethical vaccuum those may be considered unethical, but this is the real world. And besides that, there is a clear, bright line between paying a vendor to attend a convention and accepting a pure gift from a vendor. That bright line is what I have been talking about, but you are never going to see it because you will never admit
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Your blunder is in assuming that Deckler is thinking. His arguments have consistently been devoid of logic and fact, and constantly come from his own personal opinions about what ethics should be and mean. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Greg wrote: Well, you're missing the big picture and the whole point, but yes, if you paid Microsoft, even one dollar, then it would not be such an egregious breach of ethics. Well if you aren't smoking crack / eating babies / whatever else it is you're not doing then maybe you should start because your arguments are getting weaker. Your initial assertion is based on a sound principle and you had a case to argue from that principle although you would never convince many people. But now you genuinely seem to be proposing that *buying* a title would be more ethical than *earning* one. That is plain potty and I can't believe that you will stick to that when you consider it again. I don't expect you to give an inch on this list but privately you must be thinking that was a bit of a blunder if you are thinking at all. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:36:07 -0800 - NINE HOURS PRIOR TO YOUR EVIDENCE From you: Ed, Your lack of professionalism is truly staggering. Let the record show that you started the name calling and personal attacks. Besides, I don't see how the comment you posted varies substantially from your subsequent diatribes. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Too easy: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:58 -0800 For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! Where did I do that? Please replay the transcript. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics No Ed, you blatantly mis-characterized my position and forced me to clarify what I believe. I am not going to let you or anyone else interpret what I believe and provide bogus information to someone when I can tell them directly what I believe without going through a third-party. All I did was to admit that I am a vendor whore. It is you who launched into a weak but wordy defense of your silly position. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
The university employee was terminated because he violated rules imposed by his employer. I follow the rules my employer imposes as well; they are well aware--and proud--that I'm an MVP. I do not recommend that any MVP candidate accept the title and gift if it will interfere with his employment contract. Next argument? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics I've argued the theory on this too many times now. Let me provide a specific example. At time, I wear a Novell leather jacket. I received this jacket at the end of a project for the State of Ohio. Basically, the State of Ohio gave Novell something like $1 million for implementing a G-NOC. I worked on this project and at the end Novell gave out about 50 of these leater jackets to people that worked on the project in this big huge ceremony that was held. The director at the State of Ohio was forced to resign over accepting his leather jacket because of conflict of interest rules. So, the State of Ohio had ALREADY paid Novell ALL of the money and THEN Novell gave out these gifts and the director at the State of Ohio was STILL found to have violated conflict of interest rules. Does that make anything more clear? Where's the conflict if Ed consults on Microsoft products? They come to him for MS products! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that=20 I consider to be ethical issues. =20 I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical=20 because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I=20 will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your=20 poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but the system=20 worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to=20 anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) =20 So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove how=20 being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread rest. I tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and=20 less-than-brilliant treatises. =20 Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T =20 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics =20 The flaw here is that that Cisco Certified has clearly defined=20 things that must be met and requires a payment to the vendor to=20 achieve. You must PAY to get the required material. You must PAY to=20 take the tests. You must PAY for the certification. =20 MVP is a gift. There are no explicit requirements and there is no=20 exchange of currency. =20 This is the CLEAR difference between certifications and gifts like MVP. =20 Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP=20 or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned=20 title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who view=20 the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title=20 warrants a level of trust and respect. =20 Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions=20 regarding is unethical. =20 Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. =20 Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of=20 brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone=20 whose priority is to *always* win the fight must sacrifice the=20 truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. =20 Just another opinion :-) =20 Best Regards,=3D20 =20 Dan Bartley =20 =20 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Okay, how much must I pay to become ethical in Decklerfantasyland? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The point is that it would no longer be a gift if you paid for it. Yes, it is ethical to pay for an MCSE certificate. There are clear rules defined for what you must achieve and the amount that you must pay. Everyone knows what those rules are. The MVP is a subjective gift and accepting it is a clear violation of ethicds. Making it something that you can pay for takes it out of the realm of being a gift. Oh MVP, yeah you pay for that, that's OK. Now, paying for it is just the first step. To *really* be ethical, it would have to have non-subjective selection criteria, blah blah blah, but if I cannot even convince people that there is a conflict of interest, I am not even going to attempt any ethical arguments that start to get even remotely tricky. Greg wrote: Well, you're missing the big picture and the whole point, but yes, if you paid Microsoft, even one dollar, then it would not be such an egregious breach of ethics. Well if you aren't smoking crack / eating babies / whatever else it is you're not doing then maybe you should start because your arguments are getting weaker. Your initial assertion is based on a sound principle and you had a case to argue from that principle although you would never convince many people. But now you genuinely seem to be proposing that *buying* a title would be more ethical than *earning* one. That is plain potty and I can't believe that you will stick to that when you consider it again. I don't expect you to give an inch on this list but privately you must be thinking that was a bit of a blunder if you are thinking at all. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
I don't need to. I'm not the one spouting ridiculous opinions about ethics. It's clear that you've lost the argument when you can't prove your case, and instead challenge me to prove you wrong. Since you can't prove your assertion, it is not a fact, and therefore it is an opinion. Since your opinion is yours alone (noone else has stepped forward to agree with you) then you have a very small minority opinion. An opinion, I'm afraid to have to explain to you, are only as important as the stature and number of those who hold it. So, it would seem that my position prevails, and your opinion is marginal. Unless you can prove the contrary, you have no basis for arguing that there is an ethical problem with the MVP program. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics OK, I can be childish as well. You PROVE it. Prove to me that accepting gifts from vendors and then turning around to clients and providing information and services about and from those vendors is NOT a real or perceived conflict of interest. You prove that false. Prove it. It is your opinion, not a fact. Everything you cite is made up in your own mind. Again, you are mixing up fact and opinion. What you believe is not necessarily what is true. That appears to be especially true in that special place known as Deckler-Land. By the way, surrounding your claimed invitation to be an MVP, who invited you and when? I don't recall you ever offering much positive peer support in the forums, but I do recall that you were considered to be a heckler way back before Exchange was even a product with a SKU. I find it hard to believe that you would ever have been welcomed as an MVP. Care to prove this assertion as well? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that I consider to be ethical issues. I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but the system worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove how being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread rest. I tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and less-than-brilliant treatises. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics The flaw here is that that Cisco Certified has clearly defined things that must be met and requires a payment to the vendor to achieve. You must PAY to get the required material. You must PAY to take the tests. You must PAY for the certification. MVP is a gift. There are no explicit requirements and there is no exchange of currency. This is the CLEAR difference between certifications and gifts like MVP. Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who view the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title warrants a level of trust and respect. Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions regarding is unethical. Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of brain power, poor use
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
That which I have reprinted several times now. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:33 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics And what was before that? Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:36:07 -0800 - NINE HOURS PRIOR TO YOUR EVIDENCE From you: Ed, Your lack of professionalism is truly staggering. Let the record show that you started the name calling and personal attacks. Besides, I don't see how the comment you posted varies substantially from your subsequent diatribes. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Too easy: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:58 -0800 For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! Where did I do that? Please replay the transcript. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics No Ed, you blatantly mis-characterized my position and forced me to clarify what I believe. I am not going to let you or anyone else interpret what I believe and provide bogus information to someone when I can tell them directly what I believe without going through a third-party. All I did was to admit that I am a vendor whore. It is you who launched into a weak but wordy defense of your silly position. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:47 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mo de =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I cannot prove the obvious. Then, contrary to your prior assertions, you are hardly a master logician. If you are not willing to accept the obvious, then I will never be able to prove anything to you. As I recall from my schooling in mathematics, even the obvious must be proved. Just because something is obvious to you doesn't mean that it is a truth. Mr. Deckler, I assert that much of what is obvious truth to your mind is not truth in the rest of the world's reality. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you are correct Ed. I cannot prove the obvious. I cannot prove that an apple is red or that the sky is blue or that you live on the planet that orbits a sun. If you are not willing to accept the obvious, then I will never be able to prove anything to you. Likewise, and more importantly sinc, you haven't proven your statement true. It is only a real or perceived conflict of interest in your own mind. You haven't proven anything beyond that. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Open Relay/Spamcop
But can't the same thing be said for frequent forced changes to passwords? Perhaps even more so? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop strong passwords = post-it(tm) notes on monitors = weak passwords ;-) Merry Christmas everyone, Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: 18 December 2003 21:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop Strong passwords mean much more than forced changes. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop I agree with Ben. My Exchange 2000 box at my last company was setup to allow realaying after sucessfuly authentication because I had POP3 clients at other offices that had no other SMTP gateway. Disabling the Guest account and forcing the users to change passwords every 30 days kept our risk at a minimum. We got tagged as a relay once, but forcing user password changes on the spot fixed the problem. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop I still think you are smoking crack on this, Greg. I have never seen a properly configured Exchange 2000 server relay UNLESS a user account was compromised, or the guest account was enabled. I've tested it and tested again, and never found Exchange to relay with those settings. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:37 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: Open Relay/Spamcop Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop Hey, thanks for the confirmation. People have told me that I am smoking crack and that the Exchange servers were horribly misconfigured. It's nice to know that I am not smoking crack. I concur with greg ... our server had those settings and we were being used as a relay ... turned off Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay, regardless of the list above. and that stopped it ... Mike -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:17 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Open Relay/Spamcop This may or may not be the problem, but I have seen spammers able to relay off an Exchange server if the following configuration applies: 1. If Anonymous access is turned on. SMTP Virtual Server properties, Access page, Authentication. 2. And, Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay, regardless of the list above. is checked. SMTP Virtual Server properties, Access page, Relay. Hello All and Happy Holidays! =20 I have a colleague whos Exchange 2000 server is being reported as Open Relay by spamcop for the past month. I have tested his relay by=20 setting up a POP account in Outlook, putting the server that is being=20 reported as Open relay as my Outgoing SMTP server. =3D20 =20 When I try to send a message using Outlook, I get a return message that 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay. I am relieved that it could not relay. That is good, however, why then is spamcop still reporting it to be=20 open relay? =3D20 =20 I have checked (over the phone) all his Virtual SMTP Server settings=20 to verify correct configuration. Everything seems to be checked or=20 unchecked as recommended by Microsoft. =20 We have Stopped/Started Services for SMTP =20 The Exchange 2000 server is behind a NAT and I have looked into the=20 possibility of this. I have been out on the spamcop site and for the=20 life of me cannot find a way to make them check the server again to=20 see if it is closed relay like ORDB does. =3D20 =20 Any ideas or comments =3D20 =20 =20 =20 Samantha Bridges Communications Technician Macomb Intermediate School District 44001 Garfield Road Clinton Township MI 48038-1100 (586) 228-3300 =20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.misd.net =20
RE: Open Relay/Spamcop
And what? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop And... Rest assured that this topic has been discussed by us vendor whores. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Open Relay/Spamcop _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange 2003 name change
I should think that if you can find a loaner server, that a swing server method would be the easiest and least risky. Install the new server, move all mailboxes and folders to the new server, remove the old one, reinstall it, and move everything back. You don't need an extended outage to do this; much you can do during business hours. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Mushrush Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange 2003 name change We are working on an exchange 2003 server that was named improperly. Do we need to uninstall and reinstall or can we just rename and keep all the public folders, etc? Thanks, Marty :) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics
Not only can't you prove the obvious, you can't understand the obvious. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics Ed, this is so utterly wrong that it defies all rational thought. Yes, you first stated something along the lines of Why are you asking us vendor wh0res. And I ignored this post and simply asked you to play nice. The thread continued, still largely the topic of migrating from GroupWise 6.5 to Exchange 2000. Then, you posted this next little gem, and I quote: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:58 -0800 For those of you who haven't been around, Mr. Greg Deckler has repeatedly broadcast his diatribes that those of us who are MVPs should be likened to employees (his word) of Microsoft and anything we tell you should be considered to be propaganda straight from Bill Gates. Well, my response is the kind of unprofessional response he deserves, having made his bed. Sorry to have troubled the rest of you. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! Now, to this I simply had to respond because this is a blatant mis-characterization of my position. Yes, I believe that accepting titles from vendors is not only wrong, but extremely damaging to the IT community at large in the eyes of the public that we serve. My response to you corrected your mis-characterization of my position and indicated that yes, we have different opinions on this topic, but that we should at least be able to be civil. From this, then, the whole topic disintegrated into misery. Thus, it is a proven FACT that you, not I, started this entire re-hashed discussion about ethics in IT. Could I have ignored your post. Perhaps, but I am simply not going to allow such a blatant mis-characterization of my beliefs to go unchallenged. Now, given these facts, I could easily make the call you a liar. But, I am not going to tell you that. I am going to tell you that you are wrong, because you are and I can prove absolutely that you are wrong. But, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, show some civility and not claim that you are *purposefully* posting incorrect and wrong information. Instead, I prefer to believe that you simply are not recollecting things correctly. You brought up the this topic of ethics, you mis-characterized my position, you brought up a discussion now 8 years dead, you kept on hounding me until I was forced to respond. You, you, you and finally, you. It's all you man. So why did you feel the need to change the thread to post the exact same nonsense you've been spouting all along? Don't say that we keep bringing this up. All I in the second post in the original thread was that I'm a vendor whore. You took over and started with your silly, unjustified position. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics OK, for some reason beyond my comprehension people seem to have this odd fascination with my views on ethics in IT. They are so fascinated that every time I post something to this list, they bring it up. In the interests of trying to move past this, you can get your fix of my crazed views on ethics in the form of a free monthly newsletter, The IT Ethics Newsletter. Details can be found at http://www.infonition.com/ethics I have not yet covered the Conflict of Interest topic but I'm sure that it will come up eventually. Until then, here is how I see the two sides. Greg: Accepting direct gifts from third parties, especially significant gifts such as large dollar items and titles, presents a real or perceived conflict of interest between an IT professional's client (either the customer or company that he or she works for) and that third party. This is why companies have limits on the type and dollar amount of gifts that employees can accept from third parties. Because MVP is primarily a title and titles are priceless, there are obvious grounds for a potential conflict of interest. And it does not matter if the conflict of interest is real or perceived. The whole point of ethics and conflict of interest rules is to help keep people from getting into ethical trouble and to remove even the specter or impropriety. The Other Side: The MVP title is not unethical. In fact, it does not matter what you do or who you accept gifts from or what the type or dollar amount of those gifts, it will never, ever constitute
RE: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only?
Deploy a real document management system, one that has the capability to check out and check in documents. http://www.80-20.com is one that integrates with Exchange. There are many others that may or may not integrate with Exchange. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Clishe Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 2:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Force opening PF attachments as Read-Only? When a user has a Public Folder attachment open, other users can also open the same attachment and make changes. Is there any way to prevent this? For example, to force the document to open as read-only when someone else has it open? Jason _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: WAS RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 NOW my bad - sorry
You are not empowered to decide what this list is for. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hackney Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: WAS RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 NOW my bad - sorry Opps sorry my bad - only just read this one. -Original Message- From: Boyd, Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 December 2003 01:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The next person who wants to add something to this thread, please send your message directly to those who have demonstrated they care. It might be a little hard work the first time, but then all you have to do is hit reply to all. This list is not for you personal arguments. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Then tell people to quit bringing it up. Then quit beating this dead horse -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I have no interest in winning. Can this thread please go away...You're not going to win Greg... _ John Bowles Exchange Engineer OIG/HHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It should not be deemed to constitute a binding contract between TKC Group and the recipient(s) unless a purchase order number is quoted. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of TKC Group Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please do not copy or disclose its contents. Please return it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete the email. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
