[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am talking about his unsubstantiated gossip about Maharishi having sex with disciples. But Off, it's not unsubstantiated. That's the whole point. These are reliable people who report this. Nonsense. They are unnamed. Anonymous. The ones who ARE reliable, have CLEARLY indicated it was a scam. The woman with the Beatles (Mia Farrow?) indicated it by saying that the guy (forget his name) that was hatefully jealous of anyone else getting John Lennon's attention , arrived in Rishikesh later, and then, all hell broke loose, because of all sorts of schemes he cooked up. It was really obvious in her writing. George Harrison when asked about that time, said that there was a lot of ignorance around there and clearly indicated it didn't come from Maharishi. The thing is really clear. The guy (forget his name) was intent on causing malicious rumor and scandel because he hated anyone who got John lennon's attention. Mia Farrow wrote this. The other claim is from friends of friends anonymous people, and therefore have no credibility. Please respond to this Peter, so that I know you heard it, and we don't have to go over this yet again in the future. OffWorld Personally, I am only amazed by how uptight some people get about gurus having sex, period. On one side, the aversion seems to be as pronounced as it was in the people who invented the idea of the virgin birth for Jesus. He was our Savior...he could *never* have touched a pussy, even to come out of one. On the other side, those who seem to firmly believe that the guy (in this case, MMY) is human, but who deny him the right to fuck up (literally) occasionally and feel the oh-so-human need for sex. So if he did it, he's by definition out of line. Me, I don't give a shit. If I don't consider gurus or even the enlightened any more important or more authoritative than myself (and I don't), I think I can cut them the same amount of slack I cut myself. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it is impossible to talk to people like feste37. Like all fundamentalists they over-value their concept of the perfection of the teaching they follow and view all who even remotely fail to cast it in the most glowing terms as unevolved, deluded individuals engaging in vicious attacks. Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. Bingo! Rick told the truth; the official spokespersons of the TM movement did not. That speaks volumes, as does the red herring tactics by some here to avoid dealing with it. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing,and I haven't seen a word except the commentsabout the wives not being named in the photos.I'm not even talking about the *political*aspects; we've known about the TMO's, andMMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking aboutthe practical effect of the absence of thefeminine vibe among the Rajas in terms ofwhatever effect *they're* supposed to have onworld consciousness.-Actually I have made several points on this topic over the years. As a tantric I have felt obligated to point out that the Movement is mysogynistic in structure. I always found that ironic, considering the refusal to use OM in anything, and the reliance on Shakti mantras. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
Yes, actually Atwill claims Jesus himself was an invention of the Flavians, who included a lot of in-jokes in the gospel about the "Son of Man coming in the lifetime of this generation" being Titus and his family, ca. 70 AD. Hence this whole "our name is legion" episode was a joking reference to the roman legions' evicting the jewish rebels in Gadara...-I've been thinking a good bit about this sort of thing lately. It's clear that people make mistakes regularly. Well, what if Jesus, if indeed he even existed, was really just a footnote in history, just like say, you or I, that is, not more than the average Joe, but who got blown waa out of proportion and then used as a political force majeure. One brick building upon another and then what? World religion universalis. I mean, Catholicism makes absolutely no sense as if it was pieced together out of different fabrics like patchwork. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Thanks, I'm gettin ' one of Amma!I think one could count on a small, but certain clientele for bobble head dolls along this line.lurk-That's a really great idea! Bobble head Guru dolls. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Like I say, I don't care about it, only about someone's motivation behind it which is something they may want to look at for their OWN spiritual evolution modifation. This article means nothing to me. OffWorld Erik Gable is not a long time devotee of amma, he's a staff writer for the Fairfield Ledger who has covered the amma programs in Iowa for the past 2 yrs in such capacity. (Well at least Gable isn't being accused of being a CIA agent.) Give them time. And Rick will be one of his assets. :-) This whole discussion just amazes me. Angry people who don't realize who they're angry at, and why. People who react to a balanced, sensible op-ed piece by raving about stuff that was not in it and never even hinted at in it. I mean, all these conversations should really be saved somewhere and used as material for a course in cultlike ]thinking and how to recognize it and avoid it. Too weird for me... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Just to balance the other shit you might have heard here, I'll say what I said before -- I think you wrote a balanced and extremely fair op-ed piece. I wish other articles about non- mainstream spirituality could be a tenth as fair. Unc - Barry Wright --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. Disclaimer: Everything I'm posting here is my own opinion, not that of my employer. I've learned a few interesting things about myself in the past few days. Apparently I'm a longtime Amma devotee who is engaged in some kind of conspiracy with Rick Archer. To address the first point, I've covered Amma's visit to Mount Pleasant for the past two years. If that makes me a devotee, then I guess I'm a TM devotee as well, because I've spent much more time at M.U.M. events in the past three years. To address the second point, I've met Rick Archer in person maybe four or five times. And, no, he did not suggest this column to me. I do read FairfieldLife on a regular basis, just as I also read Fairfield Community Kiosk and quite a few bulletin boards in town. It's part of the process of keeping abreast of what's going on. Because of this, I've been aware of this issue for some time. A few people expressed interest in knowing how the column came about. At the community meeting hosted last summer by John Hagelin at the Fairfield Public Library, it became clear to me that the university's policy toward the lady saints, as one audience member called them, was a topic of great interest to many people in town. That was the genesis of the column. As Mark Meredith pointed out, the piece was an opinion column, not a news article. It it had been a news story, I obviously would have left my own thoughts out of it. As it stands, any opinions which are directly attributed to Rick Archer, Craig Pearson, etc., are their own. Any opinions which are not attributed are mine. They are the product of three years of observing life in Fairfield. One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. I agree. OffWorld Its almost like a comic book character, Superman or Spiderman or something. Its so stupid , you don't care anymore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaizues ! You harp on and on and on about a joke that I made and call me a fundamentalist because of a joke that I made. Some sense of humor you got there bud. No, Offworld, it was not your joke, though you're right, I certainly didn't see any humor there! You need to go up thread to the original post to get it, and also realise that I had whispered the question a couple of times before with no response. It is other statements you have made over time that have smelled of TM-fundamentalism or even (sorry, Judy) cultism to me: some recent examples would be your denouncing Rick as a lost yogi, But Rick is a lost Yogi, which by the way is a huge comliment. You others do not come up to that category. maligning his logic, dismissing his evidence and experience out-of-hand because the accusers are anonymous, Anonymous is what you call non-evidence you idiot. dismissing the reporter's opinion piece on TMO and Amma, and accusing MMY's critics of short- term thinking (a classic cult maneuver is to justify short-term abuse in the name of lofty long-term ideals; i.e., ends-justify- means enabling). Wrong. It was a highly prejudiced piece which you are too prejudiced to see. I would never write such a prejudiced thing about any group as a reporter. To me, all of this points to a completely idealistic image of MMY that is seriously threatened by other viewpoints implying any fallibility or humanity on MMY's part, which (it seems to me) Man , you really lack insight. I have a less ideal image of MMY than you and half the people here. You just don't see it. you often attempt to deny through attack, ridicule, insult, and so on. Wow, you are making things up. I don't see you saying this to Llundrub, the king of constant insults. This again shows your prejudice. Read those two sentances again. In like manner, you seem to need to cling to a self-image of invulnerability, omnipotence, and grandiosity. (Although I suppose these may all be jokes too, for all I can tell with my apparently- limited sense of humor.) You have not sense of humor old man. If however you have been serious, I respectfully suggest that if you can open up to the paradox of MMY's being both divine *and* human, perfect *and* flawed, that you can then allow yourself the same luxury. And of course, I may be way off base, in which case you can tell me to go take a flying leap. :-) A smiley face does NOT constitute a sense of humor. It doesn't make you funny, as you and Alex seem to think it will do for you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it doesn't because anyone practicing TM can practice any religion or non-religion they want, shag chicks, or be celebate. This is a fundamantal difference, and you may be too prejudiced to see it. Offworld, if you only knew how unthinkingly prejudiced this canned response sounds to anyone who has experienced the TMO's actual attitude to competition, you would think twice before repeating it...! Probably right. The bannig of Amma people and Pundiji people from Dome and others is not justifiable by logic ( but is still a good idea :-) OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond all these differences, there are two features which are common to all fundamentalist religious movements: one, that they claim their version of religion to be the only true one, and feel threatened by pluralist systems of thought; two, that they use political means to impose their version of the truth on all members of their religion . . . Fundamentalist movements, all over the world, are basically political movements which have a religious imperative and seek in various ways, in widely differing circumstances, to harness modern state and media powers to the service of their gospel. (p.4) OMG!!! That sounds just like TMO!!! No it doesn't because anyone practicing TM can practice any religion or non-religion they want, shag chicks, or be celebate. This is a fundamantal difference, and you may be too prejudiced to see it. Unless their religion involves visiting some lady saint or something... That's true. That is one reason why I don't connect with TMO. On the other hand , it woul dbe totally ridiculous if a bunch of people were coming to the dome and practicing a totally different technique, which you know is what would happen. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am talking about his unsubstantiated gossip about Maharishi having sex with disciples. But Off, it's not unsubstantiated. That's the whole point. These are reliable people who report this. Nonsense. They are unnamed. Anonymous. The ones who ARE reliable, have CLEARLY indicated it was a scam. The woman with the Beatles (Mia Farrow?) indicated it by saying that the guy (forget his name) that was hatefully jealous of anyone else getting John Lennon's attention , arrived in Rishikesh later, and then, all hell broke loose, because of all sorts of schemes he cooked up. It was really obvious in her writing. George Harrison when asked about that time, said that there was a lot of ignorance around there and clearly indicated it didn't come from Maharishi. The thing is really clear. The guy (forget his name) was intent on causing malicious rumor and scandel because he hated anyone who got John lennon's attention. Mia Farrow wrote this. The other claim is from friends of friends anonymous people, and therefore have no credibility. Please respond to this Peter, so that I know you heard it, and we don't have to go over this yet again in the future. OffWorld Personally, I am only amazed by how uptight some people get about gurus having sex, period. Unc Once again you don't read properly. It is not about wether its ok if he had sex, it is about the fact that he says is a lifelong monk, and the gossip says he is a liar. It is calling someone a liar with no evidence that is the issue. Not the sex. I think this mis- interpretation of yours says more about your uptight and failed attitude to sex. Don't put it on me. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark needs to read my post (Post 62940) to understand the context and reasons why it is being discussed, and hopefully Rick will tell us the full story behind this article ( I just found oout that the writer is a long time Amma devotee). Like I say, I don't care about it, only about someone's motivation behind it which is something they may want to look at for their OWN spiritual evolution modifation. This article means nothing to me. OffWorld Erik Gable is not a long time devotee of amma, he's a staff writer for the Fairfield Ledger who has covered the amma programs in Iowa for the past 2 yrs in such capacity. (Well at least Gable isn't being accused of being a CIA agent.) Give them time. And Rick will be one of his assets. :-) This whole discussion just amazes me. Angry people who don't realize who they're angry at, and why. Wow, once again you are projecting your own anger. I have no anger over this , you are projecting your own. You need to improve your reading and reasoning. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it doesn't because anyone practicing TM can practice any religion or non-religion they want, shag chicks, or be celebate. This is a fundamantal difference, and you may be too prejudiced to see it. Offworld, if you only knew how unthinkingly prejudiced this canned response sounds to anyone who has experienced the TMO's actual attitude to competition, you would think twice before repeating it...! Probably right. The bannig of Amma people and Pundiji people from Dome and others is not justifiable by logic ( but is still a good idea :-) OffWorld It only makes sense if those people are practicing other programs or techniques during their time in the dome. The TMO, however, is punishing people who visit other saints without any knowledge if they are practicing any other techniques or programs. Basically they are punishing people for crimes of thought. People are thinking in a way that they don't like. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately it is impossible to talk to people like feste37. Like all fundamentalists they over-value their concept of the perfection of the teaching they follow and view all who even remotely fail to cast it in the most glowing terms as unevolved, deluded individuals engaging in vicious attacks. Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. Bingo! Rick told the truth; the official spokespersons of the TM movement did not. That speaks volumes, as does the red herring tactics by some here to avoid dealing with it. Unc Then you really don't understand what prjudice is . Opinion is prejudice. That is why they have opinion pieces. Therefore, by the reporters own admission it was prejudice. So whats new, it's common. No problem, as I said to him, it was fine, and he is entitled to his opinion. But the fact that he is a reporter working there and it is easier for him to get an opinion in there, is very dishonest and devious. He used his position to manipulate his prejudice to the forefront. Something I would not do as a reporter. Not that I care about the silly article. I am only interested in clarity fo reasoning. The above is clarity of reasoning and reasonable. You are emotional. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it doesn't because anyone practicing TM can practice any religion or non-religion they want, shag chicks, or be celebate. This is a fundamantal difference, and you may be too prejudiced to see it. Offworld, if you only knew how unthinkingly prejudiced this canned response sounds to anyone who has experienced the TMO's actual attitude to competition, you would think twice before repeating it...! Probably right. The bannig of Amma people and Pundiji people from Dome and others is not justifiable by logic ( but is still a good idea :-) OffWorld It only makes sense if those people are practicing other programs or techniques during their time in the dome. That is what I mean't, and it is the reason they do it. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Alex, I know the TMO will excommunicate (teachers at least) for seeing Amma or Karunamayi and so on. How do they feel about Saniel Bonder? I don't know if any edicts from on high have been issued WRT Saniel Bonder and Waking Down. It's been my observation that people involved in WD who also maintain involvement with the TMO keep their involvement in WD very low key. And, the rules about confidentiality at WD satsangs are repeated frequently to ensure their privacy. The justification for revoking dome badges of people who see Amma is that she teaches meditation techniques, and the TMO wants to ensure that only TM be practiced in the domes. Since Waking Down doesn't involve any techniques, it shouldn't be a problem. But, I have no doubt that the apparatchiks running the show on campus could easily create an excuse why WDers should also be banished from the domes. After all, when Susie Niedermeyer was seen at Ammachi's first visit to Iowa, not only was she booted from the dome, she was prohibited from participating in any campus musical activities as well. Can't have any coherence-destroying infidel vibes on campus, don'tcha know. And, then there's L B Shriver; it wasn't enough to banish him from campus, so they tried to pressure his employer to fire him. And, they claim to not be a cult? Quelle folie! Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It only makes sense if those people are practicing other programs or techniques during their time in the dome. That is what I mean't, and it is the reason they do it. OffWorld It is not the reason they do it. You don't learn any techniques at ammas program (and contrary to your wild assertion, you don't become sort of devotee either by receiving darshan) and the capital knows it as many people have told them so and still gotten banned. They do it primary to create fear and keep people under control. Also Wallace's statement about a coke salesman drinking pepsi was honest, except 99.9% of tm teachers in fairfield are not actively teaching or representing the tmo in any way and the competition the tmo is afraid of is the competition for donation dollars. Also in his editorial on this subject in the Weekly Reader a few yrs ago, Hagelin was also honest in stating his pompously fascist belief that MUM has a parental responsibility in protecting people from getting involved in non-Maharishi approved programs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A smiley face does NOT constitute a sense of humor. It doesn't make you funny, as you and Alex seem to think it will do for you. For the record, I only use smilies on the rarest of occasions, and when I do, it's always a very conscious decision. I don't recall using any on FFL in recent history. So, could you please either point out where I've attempted to be funny with the use of smilies or retract the accusation. Thanks. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:54 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: And, then there's L B Shriver; it wasn't enough to banish him from campus, so they tried to pressure his employer to fire him. And, they claim to not be a cult? Quelle folie! My god is this true? LB? Why were you banned LB? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably right. The bannig of Amma people and Pundiji people from Dome and others is not justifiable by logic ( but is still a good idea :-) A smiley face does NOT constitute a sense of humor. It doesn't make you funny... -- OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:54 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: And, then there's L B Shriver; it wasn't enough to banish him from campus, so they tried to pressure his employer to fire him. And, they claim to not be a cult? Quelle folie! My god is this true? LB? Why were you banned LB? I'll let L B answer these questions for himself, but I can direct your attention to some relevant information. He got in hot water with the TMO for publishing Survival in Paradise. There is a PDF copy of one issue in the FFL and Fairfield Community folder of the FFL files archive. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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says more about your uptight and failed attitude to sex. Don't put it on me.OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -I've been thinking a good bit about this sort of thing lately. It's clear that people make mistakes regularly. Well, what if Jesus, if indeed he even existed, was really just a footnote in history, just like say, you or I, that is, not more than the average Joe, but who got blown waa out of proportion and then used as a political force majeure. One brick building upon another and then what? World religion universalis. I mean, Catholicism makes absolutely no sense as if it was pieced together out of different fabrics like patchwork. Yes, I do not know if the Atwill hypothesis is correct, but I do like to ask -- Cui bono? -- Who benefits? and generally find this leads to useful ideas or insights in things as diverse as 9/11, the London bombings (nicely timed to distract from the G8 issues and put the focus back on terrorism), and Christianity itself, which nicely channelled previously-rebellious, anti-Roman Messianic expectations into pro-Roman, quisling Messianic fervor. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It is other statements you have made over time that have smelled of TM-fundamentalism or even (sorry, Judy) cultism to me Er, Rory, are you referring to a recent response of mine to a post of Barry's in which he accused someone of cultism, by any chance? Didn't you see the quotes around it, and the Yahoo message number at the end? I didn't write it. I was quoting it. Guess who wrote it? No, Judy, I was referring to your response, where you said something to the effect that it wasn't very nice to call someone a cultist -- that it was thought-stopper. Rory, that's what I asked you if you were referring to above. I posted that response to Barry's post, but I didn't write the words in it about cultist being a thought-stopper. I was quoting from another FFL post that was made awhile back. Who do you think might have written that earlier post I was quoting? Take a wild guess... So I was apologizing to you for going ahead and invoking the c-word anyway :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
You've got to be kidding! I wonder if you also think that Fox News is fair and balanced. That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to balance the other shit you might have heard here, I'll say what I said before -- I think you wrote a balanced and extremely fair op-ed piece. I wish other articles about non- mainstream spirituality could be a tenth as fair. Unc - Barry Wright --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gable52556 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the author of the column in Thursday's Ledger. Disclaimer: Everything I'm posting here is my own opinion, not that of my employer. I've learned a few interesting things about myself in the past few days. Apparently I'm a longtime Amma devotee who is engaged in some kind of conspiracy with Rick Archer. To address the first point, I've covered Amma's visit to Mount Pleasant for the past two years. If that makes me a devotee, then I guess I'm a TM devotee as well, because I've spent much more time at M.U.M. events in the past three years. To address the second point, I've met Rick Archer in person maybe four or five times. And, no, he did not suggest this column to me. I do read FairfieldLife on a regular basis, just as I also read Fairfield Community Kiosk and quite a few bulletin boards in town. It's part of the process of keeping abreast of what's going on. Because of this, I've been aware of this issue for some time. A few people expressed interest in knowing how the column came about. At the community meeting hosted last summer by John Hagelin at the Fairfield Public Library, it became clear to me that the university's policy toward the lady saints, as one audience member called them, was a topic of great interest to many people in town. That was the genesis of the column. As Mark Meredith pointed out, the piece was an opinion column, not a news article. It it had been a news story, I obviously would have left my own thoughts out of it. As it stands, any opinions which are directly attributed to Rick Archer, Craig Pearson, etc., are their own. Any opinions which are not attributed are mine. They are the product of three years of observing life in Fairfield. One person said the column should have included interviews with people other than university officials who are happy with the TM movement. I'd like to draw an analogy here. When you read a story about something the president has done, typically the reporter will quote the president, a few of his aides, and a few critics from the Democratic side of the aisle. That way, the reporter tells both sides of the story. Should every reporter who writes a story about the president seek out a half-dozen satisfied Republicans to talk about what a great job they think he's doing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: Didn't you see the quotes around it, and the Yahoo message number at the end? I didn't write it. I was quoting it. Guess who wrote it? No, Judy, I was referring to your response, where you said something to the effect that it wasn't very nice to call someone a cultist -- that it was thought-stopper. So I was apologizing to you for going ahead and invoking the c-word anyway :-) *lol* Oh, I SEE -- the whole thought-stopper thing was a quote of *Barry's*! Sorry, yeah, I completely missed that :-) Dang, this just gets funnier and funnier :-) (Excuse immediately previous post--I hadn't read this one yet.) Yeah, I thought it was pretty amusing! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to go up thread to the original post to get it, and also realise that I had whispered the question a couple of times before with no response. I *do* realize that. I still don't see why repeating the same question over and over (and shouting it at the end when no one responds) is particularly funny, sorry. Petulantly immature, maybe, but not funny. It is other statements you have made over time that have smelled of TM-fundamentalism or even (sorry, Judy) cultism to me: some recent examples would be your denouncing Rick as a lost yogi, But Rick is a lost Yogi, which by the way is a huge comliment. Gee, I wonder if Rick felt complimented by your post! Maybe you should follow your own advice and go back and read it again. You others do not come up to that category. See? Another sidestep and insult. Humor? Or false-humor to mask anger, aggression, and denial? Don't know; don't really care. Just not particularly funny, IMO. maligning his logic, dismissing his evidence and experience out-of-hand because the accusers are anonymous, Anonymous is what you call non-evidence you idiot. No, you idiot; anonymous is what *you* call non-evidence. Rick's evidence smells generally right to me (and I would guess to most other mature minds); your rationalizations and denials do not. dismissing the reporter's opinion piece on TMO and Amma, and accusing MMY's critics of short- term thinking (a classic cult maneuver is to justify short-term abuse in the name of lofty long-term ideals; i.e., ends-justify- means enabling). Wrong. It was a highly prejudiced piece which you are too prejudiced to see. I would never write such a prejudiced thing about any group as a reporter. See? You flat-out dismiss our point-of-view as wrong and prejudiced. Trademark fundamentalist thinking. What makes you think we are prejudiced? Do you know the definition of prejudice? It means something along the lines of judging before one has all the facts. Many of us have experienced MMY and the TMO first-hand over a period of many years. Many of us may have more knowledge here than you do. Many of us are incredibly grateful to MMY for the divine enlightenment he has shown us, *and* do not flinch from seeing his human narcissism and fallibility. To me, all of this points to a completely idealistic image of MMY that is seriously threatened by other viewpoints implying any fallibility or humanity on MMY's part, which (it seems to me) Man , you really lack insight. I have a less ideal image of MMY than you and half the people here. You just don't see it. I am not saying you toe the TMO line in every respect because you certainly don't. In what way precisely is your image of MMY less ideal than mine and half the people here? you often attempt to deny through attack, ridicule, insult, and so on. Wow, you are making things up. I don't see you saying this to Llundrub, the king of constant insults. This again shows your prejudice. Llundrub is not the point here; you are. I have found Llundrub's insults to be generally based in truth. Yours almost never are. (If I were he, by the way, I would have apologized for *nothing* he said to either Vaj or to you -- it was all on-target, if undiplomatically phrased.) Read those two sentances again. Why? I do not find them to be any more pregnant with meaning on the second read than the first. Again, they just look like more of your classic ego-tactics: flailing around, attacking, and sidestepping. Anything to avoid admitting fallibility, right? :-) In like manner, you seem to need to cling to a self-image of invulnerability, omnipotence, and grandiosity. (Although I suppose these may all be jokes too, for all I can tell with my apparently- limited sense of humor.) You have not sense of humor old man. That may very well be. Or maybe you're sometimes just not very funny, and/or are using so-called humor to hide something else. Who knows? :-) If however you have been serious, I respectfully suggest that if you can open up to the paradox of MMY's being both divine *and* human, perfect *and* flawed, that you can then allow yourself the same luxury. And of course, I may be way off base, in which case you can tell me to go take a flying leap. :-) A smiley face does NOT constitute a sense of humor. It doesn't make you funny, as you and Alex seem to think it will do for you. No, it is generally meant to constitute friendliness, to try to convey the light-heartedness (not humor per se, other than good humor) in which I am conveying these words. Sometimes IMO the written word comes across as far too serious without a smile. :-) But again, if this is your polite way of telling me to go take a flying leap, consider it done :-) To subscribe, send a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
Yes, I do not know if the Atwill hypothesis is correct, but I do like to ask -- "Cui bono?" -- "Who benefits?" and generally find this leads to useful ideas or insights in things as diverse as 9/11, the London bombings (nicely timed to distract from the G8 issues and put the focus back on terrorism), and Christianity itself, which nicely channelled previously-rebellious, anti-Roman Messianic expectations into pro-Roman, "quisling" Messianic fervor.-I take your hint. First crucify them then make them your martyrs. That's the sign of a smart and machavellian government. The same one today as yesterday when Charlemaine ruled. You need to read the Valis Trilogy by Phillip K Dick, the Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldridge, and a couple others. PKD was a natural paranoid from the hippie era who saw the complete destruction of human volition in empire, while holding out hope in the most ordinary and often squalid of circumstances. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if any edicts from on high have been issued WRT Saniel Bonder and Waking Down. It's been my observation that people involved in WD who also maintain involvement with the TMO keep their involvement in WD very low key. And, the rules about confidentiality at WD satsangs are repeated frequently to ensure their privacy. The justification for revoking dome badges of people who see Amma is that she teaches meditation techniques, and the TMO wants to ensure that only TM be practiced in the domes. Since Waking Down doesn't involve any techniques, it shouldn't be a problem. But, I have no doubt that the apparatchiks running the show on campus could easily create an excuse why WDers should also be banished from the domes. After all, when Susie Niedermeyer was seen at Ammachi's first visit to Iowa, not only was she booted from the dome, she was prohibited from participating in any campus musical activities as well. Can't have any coherence-destroying infidel vibes on campus, don'tcha know. And, then there's L B Shriver; it wasn't enough to banish him from campus, so they tried to pressure his employer to fire him. And, they claim to not be a cult? Quelle folie! Yes, I recall in '82 or '83 they tried to get employers to fire people who had been seeing Robin Carlson too. AFAIK Carlson was not giving out techniques, though I could be mistaken here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, that's what I asked you if you were referring to above. I posted that response to Barry's post, but I didn't write the words in it about cultist being a thought-stopper. I was quoting from another FFL post that was made awhile back. Who do you think might have written that earlier post I was quoting? Take a wild guess... Yeah, it finally sank in, Judy; thanks for the clarification :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -I take your hint. First crucify them then make them your martyrs. That's the sign of a smart and machavellian government. The same one today as yesterday when Charlemaine ruled. You need to read the Valis Trilogy by Phillip K Dick, the Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldridge, and a couple others. PKD was a natural paranoid from the hippie era who saw the complete destruction of human volition in empire, while holding out hope in the most ordinary and often squalid of circumstances. Thanks! I will try to check them out. I have heard great things about PKD over the years, but for some reason the timing wasn't right... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, What is Nagaraja, and what does the word mean? Thanks OffWorld ** I believe Tat Wala Baba was sometimes called baba naga (mr. snake or daddy snake) because of his his friendly relations with snakes (naga http://www.santosha.com/asanas/naga-print.html ). So nagaraja means king of the snakes...Shiva wears a snake ( http://www.gurjari.net/ico/Mystica/html/shiva.htm ). http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap2a.html And the point being that the symbol of Shiva is a metaphor since God is formless!! (Or all forms but not any one form) Shiva is merely a representation of the inconceivable, to get stuck on the form is to miss the point. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Llundrub wrote: Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. Hey Kirk or anybody, in Pierson's and Wallace's remarks, what were the lies? As my question implies, I'm not seeing them. I've reposted Erik's op-ed piece below as a reference. - Patrick Gillam July 14, 2005 The Fairfield Ledger Opinion A tale of two gurus Could the Transcendental Meditation movement learn a thing or two from 'the Hugging Saint'? By Erik Gable Rick Archer had been practicing and teaching Transcendental Meditation for nearly three decades when he first met Mata Amritanandamayi, the Indian holy woman known to her followers as Amma or the Hugging Saint. He didn't see any conflict between going to visit Amma and his regular practice of TM in the men's dome at Maharishi University of Management. In fact, Archer recalled, his experience during his daily meditations actually improved. But a few years later, after a meeting in which two TM movement officials questioned him about his involvement with Amma's group, Archer's dome badge was revoked. He had run afoul of a university policy discouraging TM teachers from seeing gurus other than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and he was no longer welcome during group meditation. That policy has been a source of division and even fear among members of Fairfield's meditating community. Although Amma has visited Mount Pleasant every summer for the past four years, Archer said fear and paranoia leads some Fairfield residents to skip her local appearance and drive to Chicago to see her -- because they're afraid they'll get kicked out of the dome if the wrong person sees them in her presence. But TM movement leaders say the policy is necessary to preserve the purity of Maharishi's teachings. They also say the rules are nowhere near as draconian as many people think. This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. In an interview last year, he compared the situation to a Coca-Cola salesman being seen drinking Pepsi. But movement leaders say Amma is not their enemy. The university's policy on any other teacher of meditation or self-development is neutral, said M.U.M. executive vice president Craig Pearson, meaning we don't endorse other people, we don't criticize other people. At the same time, Pearson said, the university doesn't want people practicing meditation techniques other than TM in its domes. The essential core thing that we have to protect is the purity of that practice, he said. In addition to the ceremonies that earned her the nickname the Hugging Saint, Amma offers her own meditation technique. The standards are stricter for teachers than for rank-and-file meditators, Pearson added. While teachers aren't supposed to be seen going to other gurus, he said, non-teachers aren't likely to get in trouble for being seen in another guru's presence. Just going to see somebody else, there's no problem with that, he said. And in any case, Pearson said, there's always due process. Archer -- who says he had good experiences with Maharishi and doesn't wish the movement any ill -- doesn't question M.U.M.'s right to decide who can and can't meditate in the domes. They're entitled to set whatever standards they want, he said. But at the same time, some say the movement hurts itself by discouraging involvement with other gurus. I feel they lose the respect of a lot of people, said Archer, and they also box themselves in and run the risk, which I think has been to a great degree realized, of becoming very cult-like. I think it tends to isolate the TM movement, said Mark Petrick, one of the people who organized Amma's visit this year. I think the TM movement becomes less and less relevant to the life of the community when it closes itself off to experiences that many people have found valuable in their lives. Petrick, a former M.U.M. faculty member, said he left the movement because he felt it was a little too closed, a little too cultish. Pearson, however, rejects the C-word. I think a common definition of a cult is that people try to control the behavior, and the comings and goings and even the finances of the members of the cult, he said, and there's nothing of that associated with the university or the practice of meditation in the golden domes. * * * The larger question, though, is whether Amma's popularity in the Fairfield meditating community is a symptom of problems within the TM movement itself. Take a look, for example, at how Amma's admirers describe her. Without exception, they paint a picture
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. ** Your observations and question seem perfectly reasonable to me. I think the crux of the answer lies in your own words: Â…whatever effect they're supposed to have on world consciousness. Personally, I think there's not much to worry about in terms of the movement's effects on world consciousness, because I don't see it having much of an effect at this point. [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
On Jul 20, 2005, at 8:41 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: He got in hot water with the TMO for publishing Survival in Paradise. There is a PDF copy of one issue in the FFL and Fairfield Community folder of the FFL files archive. Thanks Alex, I look forward to reading it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM teachers: fact or fiction?
You know how political groups like to take test cases before the courts in order to clarify, defy or establish laws? I'd love it if some ambitious TM teacher in Fairfield who's been shunned from the domes would appeal his or her case, as Craig Pierson says is possible in Erik Gable's op-ed piece. (Pierson says there's always due process.) As I see it, the primary rationale for the banning is irrelevant now that TM teachers must be recertified to remain TM teachers. If TM teachers are not to see other gurus, but we are no longer TM teachers, where's the problem in visiting Amma or whomever? They may call us Governors when they invite us to the Guru Purnima celebration, but that strikes me as a courtesy, nothing more, like calling Gerald Ford Mr. President. Take my situation, for example. I haven't taught TM to a non-family member in 13 years. I do not represent Maharishi in any way, nor am I allowed to teach, according to the TM organization. I am, for all practical purposes, an ordinary TM practitioner who has also learned the TM-Sidhis program. If I visited Amma one day and applied to do my program in the domes the next day, none of the rationales for shunning me would apply. The public could not say, That TM teacher seeks knowledge from another guru, for I am no longer a TM teacher. So how about it, former Governors of Fairfield -- are any of you game to re-apply to the dome? The problem is probably this: nobody's doing the TM-Sidhis program any more. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
When it comes to trim, I prefer shaved, since untidy trimming still sometimes is distracting. IE., These aren't the words of the supposed author. - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial Llundrub wrote:Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. Hey Kirk or anybody, in Pierson's and Wallace's remarks, what were the lies? As my question implies, I'm not seeing them.I've reposted Erik's op-ed piece below as a reference.- Patrick GillamJuly 14, 2005The Fairfield LedgerOpinionA tale of two gurusCould the Transcendental Meditation movement learn a thing or two from 'theHugging Saint'?By Erik GableRick Archer had been practicing and teaching Transcendental Meditation fornearly three decades when he first met Mata Amritanandamayi, the Indian holywoman known to her followers as "Amma" or "the Hugging Saint."He didn't see any conflict between going to visit Amma and his regularpractice of TM in the men's dome at Maharishi University of Management. Infact, Archer recalled, his experience during his daily meditations actuallyimproved.But a few years later, after a meeting in which two TM movement officialsquestioned him about his involvement with Amma's group, Archer's dome badgewas revoked.He had run afoul of a university policy discouraging TM teachers from seeinggurus other than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and he was no longer welcome duringgroup meditation.That policy has been a source of division and even fear among members ofFairfield's meditating community. Although Amma has visited Mount Pleasantevery summer for the past four years, Archer said "fear and paranoia" leadssome Fairfield residents to skip her local appearance and drive to Chicagoto see her -- because they're afraid they'll get kicked out of the dome ifthe wrong person sees them in her presence.But TM movement leaders say the policy is necessary to preserve the purityof Maharishi's teachings. They also say the rules are nowhere near asdraconian as many people think.This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hostedby TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and theuniversity's first president, fielded several questions about reports ofpeople being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders.Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to seeother gurus. In an interview last year, he compared the situation to aCoca-Cola salesman being seen drinking Pepsi.But movement leaders say Amma is not their enemy."The university's policy on any other teacher of meditation orself-development is neutral," said M.U.M. executive vice president CraigPearson, "meaning we don't endorse other people, we don't criticize otherpeople."At the same time, Pearson said, the university doesn't want peoplepracticing meditation techniques other than TM in its domes."The essential core thing that we have to protect is the purity of thatpractice," he said. In addition to the ceremonies that earned her thenickname "the Hugging Saint," Amma offers her own meditation technique.The standards are stricter for teachers than for rank-and-file meditators,Pearson added. While teachers aren't supposed to be seen going to othergurus, he said, non-teachers aren't likely to get in trouble for being seenin another guru's presence."Just going to see somebody else, there's no problem with that," he said.And in any case, Pearson said, "there's always due process."Archer -- who says he had good experiences with Maharishi and doesn't wishthe movement any ill -- doesn't question M.U.M.'s right to decide who canand can't meditate in the domes."They're entitled to set whatever standards they want," he said.But at the same time, some say the movement hurts itself by discouraginginvolvement with other gurus."I feel they lose the respect of a lot of people," said Archer, "and theyalso box themselves in and run the risk, which I think has been to a greatdegree realized, of becoming very cult-like.""I think it tends to isolate the TM movement," said Mark Petrick, one of thepeople who organized Amma's visit this year. "I think the TM movementbecomes less and less relevant to the life of the community when it closesitself off to experiences that many people have found valuable in theirlives."Petrick, a former M.U.M. faculty member, said he left the movement becausehe felt it was "a little too closed, a little too cultish."Pearson, however, rejects the C-word."I think a common definition of a cult is that people try to control thebehavior, and the comings and goings and even the finances of the members ofthe cult," he said, "and there's nothing of that
[FairfieldLife] Hindu metaphors-was ( Figuring out MMY......).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indian metaphores like Shiva/Nagaraja will never again be universal symbols, What is Nagaraja, and what does the word mean? Thanks OffWorld ** I believe Tat Wala Baba was sometimes called baba naga (mr. snake or daddy snake) because of his his friendly relations with snakes (naga http://www.santosha.com/asanas/naga-print.html ). So nagaraja means king of the snakes...Shiva wears a snake ( http://www.gurjari.net/ico/Mystica/html/shiva.htm ). http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap2a.html And the point being that the symbol of Shiva is a metaphor since God is formless!! (Or all forms but not any one form) Shiva is merely a representation of the inconceivable, to get stuck on the form is to miss the point. BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers: fact or fiction?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know how political groups like to take test cases before the courts in order to clarify, defy or establish laws? I'd love it if some ambitious TM teacher in Fairfield who's been shunned from the domes would appeal his or her case, as Craig Pierson says is possible in Erik Gable's op-ed piece. (Pierson says there's always due process.) As I see it, the primary rationale for the banning is irrelevant now that TM teachers must be recertified to remain TM teachers. snip Is that true??? Recertified? Actually it's a good idea, also the TMorg should have had refresher courses for Initiators long ago, but that's just yet another thing the TMorg dropped the ball on! snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
Offworld wrote: But Rick is a lost Yogi, which by the way is a huge comliment. You others do not come up to that category. Here's your original quote: I like how Rick posts this kind of thing. It shows something at least. You are a lost-yogi in a grey and directionless mind zone. Would you please clarify a) how this is a compliment to Rick, and b) in what way we others do not come up to that category? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. I think that's a gross mischaracterization of that editorial, which in no way resembles the kind of blind hate driven, anti-ru bigotry of days past. Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. It's blatant religious discrimination, and it deserves to have the light of public scrutiny shone upon it. Bravo to Erik Gable for writing it! Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. ** Your observations and question seem perfectly reasonable to me. I think the crux of the answer lies in your own words: Â…whatever effect they're supposed to have on world consciousness. Personally, I think there's not much to worry about in terms of the movement's effects on world consciousness, because I don't see it having much of an effect at this point. [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? *I* don't, no. Would I be able to see it if there were one? I don't know; quite possibly not, especially if we're limiting it to at the moment. If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? The fall of the Soviet Union and a bunch of other highly unlikely positive events that happened within a fairly short span of time. Not long afterward, a prophetic essay was published that got a lot of attention, pointing out that the fall of the Soviet Union had eliminated the balance of terror between the two superpowers that was keeping international conflicts in check, and that we would likely be in for some serious trouble in the next decades. I immediately connected that with what MMY had always said, that things would get worse before getting permanently better. I would also note that MMY's programs have never had the level of participation he had said was required to bring about permanent change for the better. On the basis of all this, I'm not prepared to declare that these programs have not had or cannot have an effect on world consciousness. I don't declare the opposite, either. I just don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Islamicist's feel the attack in London was Western conspiracy?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --The so-called master/mind, the Egyptian, is a regular guy, with a advanced degree in biology, and not the temperment for that profile, and has been released from custody. The four young men are shown walking into the train station, in a completely unassuming way; their body language does not fit the profile. The one boy who is Jamaican, his family said that it is beyond their imagination, that he would do such a thing. One of the young men, bought a parking pass the day before, that was good for a week, when he could have bought for one day. The timing of it; and why was the alert level brought down, when the G-8 conference was taking place at the time. Also, I have noticed the news media, questioning the rationale of the issues, just mentioned: even Fox news is pursuing this investigation, aggressively.. So, we'll see what they come up with... *And* Tony Blair has vigorously rebuffed a proposed inquiry into how the bombings could have happened. (Not the forensic nuts and bolts, but how come they weren't stopped.) However, some think he doesn't want an inquiry because it might uncover a connection between the Bush administration last year blowing the cover of an al Qaeda member who had been caught and turned and was working with the British to help capture a terrorist cell that was working on some kind of bombing plot. The Brits then had to go after the cell members before they were ready, and several escaped; they had to let one go because they hadn't yet collected enough evidence to hold him. The Bushistas had released the name of the mole to the news media without saying he had been turned. This was to justify having raised the terror alert level right before the Democratic convention, which some were claiming was politically motivated to take attention away from the Democrats. In any case, British law enforcement was livid. Now there's speculation the suspected terrorists who got away might have returned to continue the bombing plot which culminated on July 7. Wheels within wheels... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Offworld wrote: But Rick is a lost Yogi, which by the way is a huge comliment. You others do not come up to that category. Here's your original quote: I like how Rick posts this kind of thing. It shows something at least. You are a lost-yogi in a grey and directionless mind zone. Would you please clarify a) how this is a compliment to Rick, and b) in what way we others do not come up to that category? And yet more interesting to me: Have you yourself attained this high state, or is it something to which you yet aspire? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond all these differences, there are two features which are common to all fundamentalist religious movements: one, that they claim their version of religion to be the only true one, and feel threatened by pluralist systems of thought; two, that they use political means to impose their version of the truth on all members of their religion . . . Fundamentalist movements, all over the world, are basically political movements which have a religious imperative and seek in various ways, in widely differing circumstances, to harness modern state and media powers to the service of their gospel. (p.4) OMG!!! That sounds just like TMO!!! An historian who studied the relationship between politics and religion and published a book about it within the past few years (sorry, details forgotten) observed that when politics and religion get together, they both suffer—but religion suffers the most. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Responses below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That piece in the Ledger was a subtle variation on the traditional Fairfield sport of Ru bashing. The twist was that it used the New Rus (the Amma crowd) to bash the old Rus (TMO followers). I had thought that this sport was dying out, but it appears that it is alive and well. I think that's a gross mischaracterization of that editorial, which in no way resembles the kind of blind hate driven, anti-ru bigotry of days past. That was precisely my point. It's a new, subtle strain of the virus. Kicking people out of the domes because Amma mumbled muh muh muh muh muh while giving them hugs is petty and cultish. It's blatant religious discrimination, and it deserves to have the light of public scrutiny shone upon it. Bravo to Erik Gable for writing it! Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex- members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
Yes, I do not know if the Atwill hypothesis is correct, but I do like to ask -- "Cui bono?" -- "Who benefits?" and generally find this leads to useful ideas or insights in things as diverse as 9/11, the London bombings (nicely timed to distract from the G8 issues and put the focus back on terrorism), and Christianity itself, which nicely channelled previously-rebellious, anti-Roman Messianic expectations into pro-Roman, "quisling" Messianic fervor.-In fact the very concept deserves much more consideration in light of the exact same empire of America in bed with fundamentalist Christian thought. the irony is so apparent considering that the original Christians were slaves, former slaves, outcastes and their kith and kin, ie., all those who were not valued by the Roman empire. Then what happened? The Empire moved to incorporate the myth and the disenfranchised peoples. Now what is happening, the myth and disenfranchised peoples are running the whole show. It's a real turnabout, but not really. Those Christians who are siding with Bush are the dupes of the entire sordid and inconceivably huge conspiratorial Roman motion to quell dissent and discontent over 1700 years ago. Only now has it finally really worked. The people call the Church and the Government their saviors. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Lies in the original article marked below with ** Teachers did NOT agree when they became teachers not to see other gurus. That is lie #1. Then two lies about non-teachers not being likely to get in trouble for seeing other teachers. Absolute lie...as a former State Coordinator with the TM movement I can attest to that. Finally, the claim that there is due process if this happens to someone. The due process is that if some TM asshole decides you're out, you're out. - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial Llundrub wrote: Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. Hey Kirk or anybody, in Pierson's and Wallace's remarks, what were the lies? As my question implies, I'm not seeing them. I've reposted Erik's op-ed piece below as a reference. - Patrick Gillam July 14, 2005 The Fairfield Ledger Opinion A tale of two gurus Could the Transcendental Meditation movement learn a thing or two from 'the Hugging Saint'? By Erik Gable Rick Archer had been practicing and teaching Transcendental Meditation for nearly three decades when he first met Mata Amritanandamayi, the Indian holy woman known to her followers as Amma or the Hugging Saint. He didn't see any conflict between going to visit Amma and his regular practice of TM in the men's dome at Maharishi University of Management. In fact, Archer recalled, his experience during his daily meditations actually improved. But a few years later, after a meeting in which two TM movement officials questioned him about his involvement with Amma's group, Archer's dome badge was revoked. He had run afoul of a university policy discouraging TM teachers from seeing gurus other than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and he was no longer welcome during group meditation. That policy has been a source of division and even fear among members of Fairfield's meditating community. Although Amma has visited Mount Pleasant every summer for the past four years, Archer said fear and paranoia leads some Fairfield residents to skip her local appearance and drive to Chicago to see her -- because they're afraid they'll get kicked out of the dome if the wrong person sees them in her presence. But TM movement leaders say the policy is necessary to preserve the purity of Maharishi's teachings. They also say the rules are nowhere near as draconian as many people think. This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. **Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. **In an interview last year, he compared the situation to a Coca-Cola salesman being seen drinking Pepsi. But movement leaders say Amma is not their enemy. The university's policy on any other teacher of meditation or self-development is neutral, said M.U.M. executive vice president Craig Pearson, meaning we don't endorse other people, we don't criticize other people. At the same time, Pearson said, the university doesn't want people practicing meditation techniques other than TM in its domes. The essential core thing that we have to protect is the purity of that practice, he said. In addition to the ceremonies that earned her the nickname the Hugging Saint, Amma offers her own meditation technique. **The standards are stricter for teachers than for rank-and-file meditators, Pearson added. While teachers aren't supposed to be seen going to other gurus, he said, non-teachers aren't likely to get in trouble for being seen in another guru's presence.** **Just going to see somebody else, there's no problem with that, he said.** And in any case, Pearson said, **there's always due process.** Archer -- who says he had good experiences with Maharishi and doesn't wish the movement any ill -- doesn't question M.U.M.'s right to decide who can and can't meditate in the domes. They're entitled to set whatever standards they want, he said. But at the same time, some say the movement hurts itself by discouraging involvement with other gurus. I feel they lose the respect of a lot of people, said Archer, and they also box themselves in and run the risk, which I think has been to a great degree realized, of becoming very cult-like. I think it tends to isolate the TM movement, said Mark Petrick, one of the people who organized Amma's visit this year. I think the TM movement becomes less and
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, that's what I asked you if you were referring to above. I posted that response to Barry's post, but I didn't write the words in it about cultist being a thought-stopper. I was quoting from another FFL post that was made awhile back. Who do you think might have written that earlier post I was quoting? Take a wild guess... Yeah, it finally sank in, Judy; thanks for the clarification :-) Big difference between an organization being a cult and someone within that organization acting like a cultist. I don't think TM is a cult, but in the last week we've seen a great number of posts here by people who think like cultists. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mysogeny (Wa: Figuring out MMY.....)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. -Actually I have made several points on this topic over the years. As a tantric I have felt obligated to point out that the Movement is mysogynistic in structure... ...Usually, but not always. For most of the eighties, the UK was run in reality by the Sidhi Administrator (more than by the National Leader)and the Centre Chairman for London was a woman. So so the boss of Scotland, another very successful area. This was the hay day of the movement. MMY's spreadsheets and teams of analysts should have spotted the correlation between success and the fair sex. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
Offworld wrote: But Rick is a lost Yogi, which by the way is a huge comliment. You others do not come up to that category. Here's your original quote: "I like how Rick posts this kind of thing. It shows something at least. You are a lost-yogi in a grey and directionless mind zone." Would you please clarify a) how this is a compliment to Rick, and b) in what way we others do not "come up to that category?"--As if by not following the cultish mentality of thesyncophant he cannot be a yogi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... he is a reporter working there and it is easier for him to get an opinion in there ... I think this would be a good time to mention that the Ledger welcomes letters to the editor. Letters must be signed, and should be accompanied by the writer's address and phone number for verification purposes. Only the writer's name and hometown will be printed (e.g. John Smith, Fairfield). The full letters policy can be found on the opinion page. Anyone with an opinion on this column -- whether positive or negative -- should feel free to write a letter in response. (In fact, anyone should feel free to write a letter about pretty much any subject.) Letters can be e-mailed to ffledger @ lisco.com; faxed to 472-1916; snail-mailed to P.O. Box 110, Fairfield, IA 52556; or dropped off at 112 E. Broadway Ave. The opinion page runs Thursdays. Any letter that gets here by the end of the day today has a pretty good chance of getting in tomorrow's paper. Any letter that arrives too late for tomorrow's paper will be put in the pile for next week. (Incidentally, we received one letter submitted via our Web site that didn't have a name, address or phone number. The e-mail address that was provided bounced back. If the author of that letter is here, you can e-mail the above address to provide your information if you want it to run in the paper.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To me, all of this points to a completely idealistic image of MMY that is seriously threatened by other viewpoints implying any fallibility or humanity on MMY's part Man, you really lack insight. I have a less ideal image of MMY than you and half the people here. You just don't see it. In my observation, some critics (of TM or most anything else) will respond to a person who criticizes their critiques by accusing them of being a partisan supporter of the other side. T'ain't necessarily so. I and others are routinely painted as cultists on alt.m.t by He Who Must Not Be Named when we point out that a criticism of the TMO or MMY or TMers is inaccurate or unfair or illogical or exaggerated. The notion that critics of others' criticisms must be blind True Believers may be a sincere misunderstanding on the part of the person who voices it (as I suspect is the case with Rory) or it may be (as, er, He Who Must Not Be Named himself pointed out on FFL not long ago) a thought-stopper intended to deflect attention from the substance of the criticism of the original critique and invalidate it without having to actually deal with it. (I've been known to defend Dubya from what I thought was unfair criticism, and I yield to no one in my loathing for the little pr*ck.) Some critics can be more cultishly protective of their own criticisms than those whom they are pleased to label as cultists. Shades of gray, folks, shades of gray. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? *I* don't, no. Would I be able to see it if there were one? I don't know; quite possibly not, especially if we're limiting it to at the moment. If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? The fall of the Soviet Union and a bunch of other highly unlikely positive events that happened within a fairly short span of time. Not long afterward, a prophetic essay was published that got a lot of attention, pointing out that the fall of the Soviet Union had eliminated the balance of terror between the two superpowers that was keeping international conflicts in check, and that we would likely be in for some serious trouble in the next decades. I immediately connected that with what MMY had always said, that things would get worse before getting permanently better. I would also note that MMY's programs have never had the level of participation he had said was required to bring about permanent change for the better. On the basis of all this, I'm not prepared to declare that these programs have not had or cannot have an effect on world consciousness. I don't declare the opposite, either. I just don't know. Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, that's what I asked you if you were referring to above. I posted that response to Barry's post, but I didn't write the words in it about cultist being a thought-stopper. I was quoting from another FFL post that was made awhile back. Who do you think might have written that earlier post I was quoting? Take a wild guess... Yeah, it finally sank in, Judy; thanks for the clarification :-) Big difference between an organization being a cult and someone within that organization acting like a cultist. I don't think TM is a cult, but in the last week we've seen a great number of posts here by people who think like cultists. Non sequitur. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
On Jul 20, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Hey Kirk or anybody, in Pierson's and Wallace's remarks, what were the lies? As my question implies, I'm not seeing them. I've reposted Erik's op-ed piece below as a reference. The university's policy on any other teacher of meditation or self-development is neutral, said M.U.M. executive vice president Craig Pearson, meaning we don't endorse other people, we don't criticize other people. Lie # 1 right here. Just going to see somebody else, there's no problem with that, he said. Lie # 2.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers: fact or fiction?
Patrick Gillam wrote: TM teachers must be recertified to remain TM teachers. wmurphy77 wrote: Is that true??? Recertified? Unless they've been recertified, people who were once qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi are not to teach TM or check the meditations of people who've learned TM. The exception is that TM teachers may check the meditations of their own initiates. Actually it's a good idea, also the TMorg should have had refresher courses for Initiators long ago, but that's just yet another thing the TMorg dropped the ball on! When Maharishi realized there'd never be enough meditators to make a difference in world consciousness in his lifetime, he quit promoting the teaching, turning instead to other aspects of his Vedic revival. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers: fact or fiction?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that true??? Recertified? Actually it's a good idea, also the TMorg should have had refresher courses for Initiators long ago, but that's just yet another thing the TMorg dropped the ball on! BTW, the recertification course had nothing to do with refreshing initiators on the process of teaching tm -- it was all about the business of opening enlightenment centers in malls. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers: fact or fiction?
On Jul 20, 2005, at 12:07 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that true??? Recertified? Actually it's a good idea, also the TMorg should have had refresher courses for Initiators long ago, but that's just yet another thing the TMorg dropped the ball on! BTW, the recertification course had nothing to do with refreshing initiators on the process of teaching tm -- it was all about the business of opening enlightenment centers in malls. Is it true that it was also to get them to sign a new, more binding, legal agreement? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
It's true. It's a a fucking garbage bag full of mealy mouthed lying shit. When I was an MIU student I was told by Mario Orsati to sit down and shut up when I had asked a question using the words Shiva and Shakti and comparing them to Vedic Cognition. This was during a Forest Academy and Vedic Study course. Mario objected that I used any terminology outside of mainstream SCI lingo. On every single application I have ever filled out for TMO it asked if I had used any other techniques. We all knew not to say yes or we would be refused the technique, or have to explain how we found the other technique ineffective and stoppped it. TM is a fucking cult, a pathetic cult, an insignificant cult, a mealy mouthed lying sack of shit cult and a plain old cult, however you slice it. The plain fact is that it's only not a cult for those who have lost interest in it. But most others left TMO just because it was a cult. Ipso fucking defacto. I find it ironic that when I was there I was into the rock group "The Cult" but I was too blind to see that how much I loved them mirrored my actual being in one. Life is patent and obvious, it's only the human mind that loses sight of the apparent. - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial On Jul 20, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Hey Kirk or anybody, in Pierson's and Wallace's remarks, what were the lies? As my question implies, I'm not seeing them.I've reposted Erik's op-ed piece below as a reference."The university's policy on any other teacher of meditation orself-development is neutral," said M.U.M. executive vice president CraigPearson, "meaning we don't endorse other people, we don't criticize otherpeople."Lie # 1 right here. "Just going to see somebody else, there's no problem with that," he said.Lie # 2. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:54 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: And, then there's L B Shriver; it wasn't enough to banish him from campus, so they tried to pressure his employer to fire him. And, they claim to not be a cult? Quelle folie! My god is this true? LB? Why were you banned LB? I was excommunicated in 1994 for publishing a paper called Survival in Paradise, in which I raised questions (and offered opinions) regarding various aspects of the Movement's policies and The Fairfield Experience. My exit interview was conducted on Guru Purnamah, coincidentally on the same day they announced that the dome fees were being tripled, and within a few hours of the last big chunk of a passing comet smashing into Jupiter. I was banned from campus three years ago. The letter they sent claimed that I had been banned from campus in 1994, which was of course not true. When I provided the documentation which showed them to be in error, they basically just said, Well, we don't know about that, but if you come on campus we'll have you arrested. I think the primary objection was that I had been practicing martial arts in the student union basement. In fact, that had been my practice for over a quarter of a century, but I think that someone who normally spent no time there happened to see me and to complain to the administration. There have been other sources of irritation (letters to the editor in the Ledger, etc), but basically they just don't want me talking to people on campus. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
Now, it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a lasting situation with the women in the background, very humble and silent - it is just terrible.Ingegerd-It is terrible coonsidering that the very nature of enlightenment is based in the feminine view of the absolute. It's also terrible because the mantras are Shri's body, and how can Shakti support those that hate her manifestations. I suggest that Maharishi got snubbed one time too many by women and decided that being around men was more safe. Probably because they actually had feelings and didn't just act like puppets to his masturbatory sexual fantasies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I recall in '82 or '83 they tried to get employers to fire people who had been seeing Robin Carlson too. AFAIK Carlson was not giving out techniques, though I could be mistaken here. Actually, I believe you are mistaken here. I recall he taught something like Technique[s] for the Discovery of Grace. I've never encountered a description, and I've never enquired about it. That was all happening when I first arrived in FF back in 1982. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: DID....BILL....GATES...] TMO blueprint flawed, or?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley On Jul 20, 2005, at 7:54 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: And, then there's L B Shriver; it wasn't enough to banish him from campus, so they tried to pressure his employer to fire him. And, they claim to not be a cult? Quelle folie! ...just twenty four hours until Sat Yuga! Hey, I even got my car washed yesterday for the occasion...(btw, absurd tone indicated here...) On another note, reading through the many posts on the FF Ledger article and thinking about the way that the TMO enforces the purity of the teaching, I am left with a question: Do folks here think that the weird behavior of the TMO (such as banning people from the dome because they saw Guru X or Y, or adopting defacto uniforms for Movement men and women) is due to what Maharishi speaks of; that the pure knowledge comes from the Guru and is then heard in a less evolved state of consciousness by his/her followers, who then reinterpret his/her knowledge as only they can, and strange behavior results? Or, that Maharishi rules the TMO firmly and that all behavior expressed by the organization has his tacit approval, he perhaps figuring that a somewhat warped organization to spread his message is better than none at all? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] women spirituality (was: Figuring out MMY......)
I think this question about women in the Movement is very interesting - after all, a similar issue is about to split the Church of England! Women in Catholicism Islam also have an uphill struggle for recognition against ossified culturally-determined traditions. And yet physiologically the critical issue (for TMO)in terms of spirituality, is the consciousness-supporting physiology, not sexual reproduction, which rests at a very superficial level of reality. Even in terms of brain functioning, female brains are different, but actually are less thing and action dominated, as with males, and more person and feeling orientaded - so if anything, more holistic in character. Nothing here to suggest that female spirituality would be any the less real, substantial etc. Personally, I have two daughters who are gold standards of spirituality, as far as I am concerned. It is amazing that one of the motivating factors for suicide bombers, it seems, is the prospect of enjoying 70-odd virgins in Paradise. What a crap Paradise this is - what if the virgins don't want this sexual encounter to happen? What value is sexual satisfaction compared to the subline encounter with the transcendent? Ingegerd I am your supporter in this! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a woman, I think the attitude that MMY and his TMO have towards women, is dangerous, for women. For us, in the West, that have fought for womens rights and is still fighting, it is like stepping back centuries. Like we welcome the Taliban regime. Not in Burka, but in Saris. It is incredible that women from different countries don't wear dresses from their own countries, but all dress in Saris in Mother Divine - and International Courses and so on. It is like an uniform. In the Good Old Days MMY used to speak about variety, and how valuable variety is, to keep the Culture in our own Country. To value the Culture that we have in our own Countries. Because the Natural Laws worked different in different countries. If you look at the pictures from Global County, the variety is gone. To really challenge the TMO. In the 60ths and 70ths, it was both men and women running the TMO around the world, with success. Now it is only men... When I was initiating in The Soviet-Union some years ago, I was working with Brahmans. When they met me, they had long serious discussions about how to treat me, because I was from the West,I was a woman and I was unmarried. Should they treat me as a Whore or Madonna, because we were supposed to held courses together. I had all the odds against me. At last they decided - Madonna. So I lived with those guys at their premises, watching my step every hour in 6 months, happy to know that this was only a temporary situation. Now, it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a lasting situation with the women in the background, very humble and silent - it is just terrible. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. ** Your observations and question seem perfectly reasonable to me. I think the crux of the answer lies in your own words: Â…whatever effect they're supposed to have on world consciousness. Personally, I think there's not much to worry about in terms of the movement's effects on world consciousness, because I don't see it having much of an effect at this point. [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: DID....BILL....GATES...] TMO blueprint flawed, or?
On Jul 20, 2005, at 1:25 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Do folks here think that the weird behavior of the TMO (such as banning people from the dome because they saw Guru X or Y, or adopting defacto uniforms for Movement men and women) is due to what Maharishi speaks of; that the pure knowledge comes from the Guru and is then heard in a less evolved state of consciousness by his/her followers, who then reinterpret his/her knowledge as only they can, and strange behavior results? I could have sworn there was a message last week on this list (can't seem to find it now) where a person who I'd never seen post here told an (I assume) recent story of people who asked M. if it was OK to visit another teacher/teaching somewhere in Europe. He gave his blessing. I was surprised no one else even mentioned it. If this is in fact the case then either 1) he just getting older and doesn't care or 2) it was never a big deal in the first place and it was just the underlings getting out of hand and over zealous. What many teachers will object to is often called mixing: taking a perfectly good teaching and indiscriminately mixing it with other teachings at your whim. One of my teachers liked to call it 'making Milanese soup'. Apparently in Milan there is an old tradition where for gatherings everyone brings a different ingredient and you make a soup out of it. Everyone would bring all these perfectly good ingredients and end up making something that was (in his opinion) quite unpalatable. Therefore, don't take the teachings and make them into Milanese soup. It must be a popular soup, people still make it all the time. You can smell it a mile away. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Geoffrey Clements had once an explanation why we should not meditate in the same room as people meditating a different method. He said that TM-meditation is so subtle and it is going on so subtle things in our brainwaves. So if we meditated with people with other techniques, our brainwaves could be disturbed. Somebody also came back from an Advanced Course, telling the TM- Teachers that we should not have friends that did not meditate, because ignorant people would be a hindrance to be be Enlightened. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lies in the original article marked below with ** Teachers did NOT agree when they became teachers not to see other gurus. That is lie #1. Then two lies about non-teachers not being likely to get in trouble for seeing other teachers. Absolute lie...as a former State Coordinator with the TM movement I can attest to that. Finally, the claim that there is due process if this happens to someone. The due process is that if some TM asshole decides you're out, you're out. - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial Llundrub wrote: Notice how the whole tone of this thread has shifted to an ad hominem attack on Rick rather than a discussion of the op-ed piece and the rather blatant lies of Pierson and Wallace. Hey Kirk or anybody, in Pierson's and Wallace's remarks, what were the lies? As my question implies, I'm not seeing them. I've reposted Erik's op-ed piece below as a reference. - Patrick Gillam July 14, 2005 The Fairfield Ledger Opinion A tale of two gurus Could the Transcendental Meditation movement learn a thing or two from 'the Hugging Saint'? By Erik Gable Rick Archer had been practicing and teaching Transcendental Meditation for nearly three decades when he first met Mata Amritanandamayi, the Indian holy woman known to her followers as Amma or the Hugging Saint. He didn't see any conflict between going to visit Amma and his regular practice of TM in the men's dome at Maharishi University of Management. In fact, Archer recalled, his experience during his daily meditations actually improved. But a few years later, after a meeting in which two TM movement officials questioned him about his involvement with Amma's group, Archer's dome badge was revoked. He had run afoul of a university policy discouraging TM teachers from seeing gurus other than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and he was no longer welcome during group meditation. That policy has been a source of division and even fear among members of Fairfield's meditating community. Although Amma has visited Mount Pleasant every summer for the past four years, Archer said fear and paranoia leads some Fairfield residents to skip her local appearance and drive to Chicago to see her -- because they're afraid they'll get kicked out of the dome if the wrong person sees them in her presence. But TM movement leaders say the policy is necessary to preserve the purity of Maharishi's teachings. They also say the rules are nowhere near as draconian as many people think. This issue came up repeatedly during a community meeting last summer hosted by TM movement leaders. Robert Keith Wallace, an M.U.M. trustee and the university's first president, fielded several questions about reports of people being banned from the domes after visiting other spiritual leaders. **Wallace said TM teachers all agreed when they became teachers not to see other gurus. **In an interview last year, he compared the situation to a Coca-Cola salesman being seen drinking Pepsi. But movement leaders say Amma is not their enemy. The university's policy on any other teacher of meditation or self-development is neutral, said M.U.M. executive vice president Craig Pearson, meaning we don't endorse other people, we don't criticize other people. At the same time, Pearson said, the university doesn't want people practicing meditation techniques other than TM in its domes. The essential core thing that we have to protect is the purity of that practice, he said. In addition to the ceremonies that earned her the nickname the Hugging Saint, Amma offers her own meditation technique. **The standards are stricter for teachers than for rank-and- file meditators, Pearson added. While teachers aren't supposed to be seen going to other gurus, he said, non-teachers aren't likely to get in trouble for being seen in another guru's presence.** **Just going to see somebody else, there's no problem with that, he said.** And in any case, Pearson said, **there's
[FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey Clements had once an explanation why we should not meditate in the same room as people meditating a different method. He said that TM-meditation is so subtle and it is going on so subtle things in our brainwaves. So if we meditated with people with other techniques, our brainwaves could be disturbed. I believe in science this is known as the Unified Elitism Theory, or We're too sensitive to mix with that lowlife scum. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey Clements had once an explanation why we should not meditate in the same room as people meditating a different method. He said that TM-meditation is so subtle and it is going on so subtle things in our brainwaves. So if we meditated with people with other techniques, our brainwaves could be disturbed. Now, that's a good one!!! Who! Sounds like *his* brainwaves were disturbed. Somebody also came back from an Advanced Course, telling the TM- Teachers that we should not have friends that did not meditate, because ignorant people would be a hindrance to be be Enlightened. Ingegerd Based on this, I guess its time to leave the planet...Where do people dream this stuff up? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bannings (was Re: DID....BILL....GATES)
L B Shriver wrote: I was banned from campus three years ago. L B is not the only alum banned from the University campus, if I understand correctly. At a school reunion in 1999, a number of former classmates who were Fairfield residents were unable to join us for events on campus, being persona non grata there. I'm thinking of Shri Shri Ravi Shankar exponents Sid Slagter and Larry Kline, for example. Now, I could be wrong -- it could be they chose not to attend. But the word at the time was, they weren't welcome. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: women spirituality (was: Figuring out MMY......)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. I have very strong feelings about this subject. It should be a balance between the masculine and the feminine in every aspect in society. And equal rights. Ingegerd I believe that the wars and conflict ongoing in the Middle East are largely due to the overwhelming inequality between men and women in that area. Because women are largely kept invisible, their qualities of harmony and unity are absent, and the result is constant war. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: women spirituality (was: Figuring out MMY......)
Christ on a crutch! The next thing they're going to ask for is the vote. Nag,nag,nag,nag. Can't a man have some peace at all? --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. I have very strong feelings about this subject. It should be a balance between the masculine and the feminine in every aspect in society. And equal rights. Ingegerd . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this question about women in the Movement is very interesting - after all, a similar issue is about to split the Church of England! Women in Catholicism Islam also have an uphill struggle for recognition against ossified culturally- determined traditions. And yet physiologically the critical issue (for TMO)in terms of spirituality, is the consciousness-supporting physiology, not sexual reproduction, which rests at a very superficial level of reality. Even in terms of brain functioning, female brains are different, but actually are less thing and action dominated, as with males, and more person and feeling orientaded - so if anything, more holistic in character. Nothing here to suggest that female spirituality would be any the less real, substantial etc. Personally, I have two daughters who are gold standards of spirituality, as far as I am concerned. It is amazing that one of the motivating factors for suicide bombers, it seems, is the prospect of enjoying 70-odd virgins in Paradise. What a crap Paradise this is - what if the virgins don't want this sexual encounter to happen? What value is sexual satisfaction compared to the subline encounter with the transcendent? Ingegerd I am your supporter in this! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a woman, I think the attitude that MMY and his TMO have towards women, is dangerous, for women. For us, in the West, that have fought for womens rights and is still fighting, it is like stepping back centuries. Like we welcome the Taliban regime. Not in Burka, but in Saris. It is incredible that women from different countries don't wear dresses from their own countries, but all dress in Saris in Mother Divine - and International Courses and so on. It is like an uniform. In the Good Old Days MMY used to speak about variety, and how valuable variety is, to keep the Culture in our own Country. To value the Culture that we have in our own Countries. Because the Natural Laws worked different in different countries. If you look at the pictures from Global County, the variety is gone. To really challenge the TMO. In the 60ths and 70ths, it was both men and women running the TMO around the world, with success. Now it is only men... When I was initiating in The Soviet-Union some years ago, I was working with Brahmans. When they met me, they had long serious discussions about how to treat me, because I was from the West,I was a woman and I was unmarried. Should they treat me as a Whore or Madonna, because we were supposed to held courses together. I had all the odds against me. At last they decided - Madonna. So I lived with those guys at their premises, watching my step every hour in 6 months, happy to know that this was only a temporary situation. Now, it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a lasting situation with the women in the background, very humble and silent - it is just terrible. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about this, not even the smattering of women here. I didn't start thinking about it until just recently. The only mention of the nonexistent participation of women was when we noted the original Raja So-and-So and Wife titles on the photos of the couples, and the subsequent removal even of this reference to the women. Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been posted before. Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. ** Your observations and
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex-members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. You feel Erik is being selective in who he's targeting? I certainly don't claim to know what's in his heart or what motivates him, so maybe you're right. But it seems to me that the Amma visits being such huge phenomena (statewide media coverage every year) make that story and the friction with the TMO an obvious topic to cover. Honestly, I can't think of any huge, attention-grabbing stories about any other local religious orgs behaving poorly. Some years ago, in the pre-Erik Gable era, one of the local churches brought a speaker to town named Rabi Maharaj, whose whole schtick was TM-bashing on the basis of TM's incompatibility with fundamentalist Christianity. My recollection was that the town, for the most part, ignored the whole thing. I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. There was also a story about gay-themed books in local school libraries, and it did receive local media coverage as well as national coverage, IIRC. But, I don't recall whether any particular church was involved. http://bakerbooks.net/banned_list.asp Am I Blue?: Coming out from the Silence Marion Dane Bauer $5.95 paperback Challenged, but retained at the Fairfield, Iowa Middle School and High School libraries (2000) despite objections to sexually explicit passages, including a sexual encounter between two girls. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: DID....BILL....GATES...] TMO blueprint flawed, or?
...just twenty four hours until Sat Yuga! Hey, I even got my car washed yesterday for the occasion...(btw, absurd tone indicated here...) --Yeah, I've been hanging out at Hip Forums reading their Members Official Stripping Thread wondering if I masturbate will it prevent Sat Yuga from coming? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex-members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. You feel Erik is being selective in who he's targeting? I certainly don't claim to know what's in his heart or what motivates him, so maybe you're right. But it seems to me that the Amma visits being such huge phenomena (statewide media coverage every year) make that story and the friction with the TMO an obvious topic to cover. Honestly, I can't think of any huge, attention-grabbing stories about any other local religious orgs behaving poorly. Some years ago, in the pre-Erik Gable era, one of the local churches brought a speaker to town named Rabi Maharaj, whose whole schtick was TM-bashing on the basis of TM's incompatibility with fundamentalist Christianity. My recollection was that the town, for the most part, ignored the whole thing. I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. There was also a story about gay-themed books in local school libraries, and it did receive local media coverage as well as national coverage, IIRC. But, I don't recall whether any particular church was involved. http://bakerbooks.net/banned_list.asp Am I Blue?: Coming out from the Silence Marion Dane Bauer $5.95 paperback Challenged, but retained at the Fairfield, Iowa Middle School and High School libraries (2000) despite objections to sexually explicit passages, including a sexual encounter between two girls. Alex Yes! Let's hear it for damned democracies and experienced based thinking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
Well, I thought that Clements and co. was next to God - so I believed this stuff. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey Clements had once an explanation why we should not meditate in the same room as people meditating a different method. He said that TM-meditation is so subtle and it is going on so subtle things in our brainwaves. So if we meditated with people with other techniques, our brainwaves could be disturbed. Now, that's a good one!!! Who! Sounds like *his* brainwaves were disturbed. Somebody also came back from an Advanced Course, telling the TM- Teachers that we should not have friends that did not meditate, because ignorant people would be a hindrance to be be Enlightened. Ingegerd Based on this, I guess its time to leave the planet...Where do people dream this stuff up? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: DID....BILL....GATES...] TMO blueprint flawed, or?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...just twenty four hours until Sat Yuga! Hey, I even got my car washed yesterday for the occasion...(btw, absurd tone indicated here...) --Yeah, I've been hanging out at Hip Forums reading their Members Official Stripping Thread wondering if I masturbate will it prevent Sat Yuga from coming? More likely the other way around... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- Rory Goff roryrorygoffmhotmail wrote: --- In FairFairfieldLifeoyahoogroups, LlunLlundrub llunllundrub. wrote: -I take your hint. First crucify them then make them your martyrs. That's the sign of a smart and machMachiavelliangovernment. The same one today as yesterday when CharCharlemagneed. You need to read the ValiValislogy by Phillip K Dick, the Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldridge, and a couple others. PKD PKD a natural paranoid from the hippie era who saw the complete destruction of human volition in empire, while holding out hope in the most ordinary and often squalid of circumstances. Thanks! I will try to check them out. I have heard great things about PKD PKDr the years, but for some reason the timing wasn't right... :-) PKD PKD a brilliant author. There is an openopeningne in one of his books that I read years ago about a man taking a rocket shuttle in a world where Germany and Japan have won WWII. Does anyone remember the title. When I read it it was one of those moments that a very deep insight occurred regarding the TMO.TMO was seeing that the TMO TMO like Hitler's Germany where the ideal takes precprecedencer the actual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: httphttproups.yahoo.com/group/FairFairfieldLife and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links FairFairfieldLifeuunsubscribeoyahoogroups __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: DID....BILL....GATES...] TMO blueprint flawed, or?
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...just twenty four hours until Sat Yuga! Hey, I even got my car washed yesterday for the occasion...(btw, absurd tone indicated here...) --Yeah, I've been hanging out at Hip Forums reading their Members Official Stripping Thread wondering if I masturbate will it prevent Sat Yuga from coming? More likely the other way around... Hi yoo! Good one! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) L B S And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I do not know if the Atwill hypothesis is correct, but I do like to ask -- Cui bono? -- Who benefits? and generally find this leads to useful ideas or insights in things as diverse as 9/11, the London bombings (nicely timed to distract from the G8 issues and put the focus back on terrorism), and Christianity itself, which nicely channelled previously-rebellious, anti-Roman Messianic expectations into pro-Roman, quisling Messianic fervor. -In fact the very concept deserves much more consideration in light of the exact same empire of America in bed with fundamentalist Christian thought. the irony is so apparent considering that the original Christians were slaves, former slaves, outcastes and their kith and kin, ie., all those who were not valued by the Roman empire. Not sure this is entirely true -- Atwill points out a number of Flavians mentioned by name in the New Testament as believers. Xianity may well have been the pet religion of the Flavians, just as other emperors had created other religions to keep the masses in line. Of course, if all this is true, the chances are a large number of the Flavians were probably in on the joke perpetuated by their adopted son Josephus (whom some have identified as the Apostle Paul himself!). Then what happened? The Empire moved to incorporate the myth and the disenfranchised peoples. Now what is happening, the myth and disenfranchised peoples are running the whole show. It's a real turnabout, but not really. Those Christians who are siding with Bush are the dupes of the entire sordid and inconceivably huge conspiratorial Roman motion to quell dissent and discontent over 1700 years ago. Only now has it finally really worked. The people call the Church and the Government their saviors. Yes, we agree; (Fundamentalist) Christianity is serving Bush precisely as it did the Roman empire -- if Atwill is correct, serving precisely as it was designed to do all along. Interestingly, there is a strong chance that George W. Bush (as well as his distant cousin John Kerry, as well as millions of other Americans of royal descent) are descendants of those same Flavians -- though this particular lineage is not proven thoroughly ATM to my satisfaction, anyhow. (It *has* been proven though that those who descend from England's Edward III are direct descendants of Muhammed!) :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: DID....BILL....GATES...] TMO blueprint flawed, or?
--Yeah, I've been hanging out at Hip Forums reading their Members Official Stripping Thread wondering if I masturbate will it prevent Sat Yuga from coming?More likely the other way around...Oh good. I might wait until the full moon rises then. You know, considering the historical significance of tonight, I think I might skip meditation and masturbation and humor the wife. Lord knows we both love a good laugh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To me, all of this points to a completely idealistic image of MMY that is seriously threatened by other viewpoints implying any fallibility or humanity on MMY's part Man, you really lack insight. I have a less ideal image of MMY than you and half the people here. You just don't see it. In my observation, some critics (of TM or most anything else) will respond to a person who criticizes their critiques by accusing them of being a partisan supporter of the other side. T'ain't necessarily so. I and others are routinely painted as cultists on alt.m.t by He Who Must Not Be Named when we point out that a criticism of the TMO or MMY or TMers is inaccurate or unfair or illogical or exaggerated. The notion that critics of others' criticisms must be blind True Believers may be a sincere misunderstanding on the part of the person who voices it (as I suspect is the case with Rory) or it may be (as, er, He Who Must Not Be Named himself pointed out on FFL not long ago) a thought-stopper intended to deflect attention from the substance of the criticism of the original critique and invalidate it without having to actually deal with it. (I've been known to defend Dubya from what I thought was unfair criticism, and I yield to no one in my loathing for the little pr*ck.) Some critics can be more cultishly protective of their own criticisms than those whom they are pleased to label as cultists. Shades of gray, folks, shades of gray. Point well taken, Judy. Let me rephrase: Offworld, on closer analysis it appears as if what sticks in your craw is the very possibility that MMY could ever lie. Would this be an accurate assessment of your position? I am *not* saying he did -- but I am open to the possibility, and wonder at what seems to be your vehement denial of that possibility -- this looks like what I've called idealism or fundamentalism: the refusal to see or acknowledge the possibility of shades of gray. Everyone seems to have a bit of everything in themselves -- saint and swindler, truth-teller and liar. Brahman is paradox. The bottom line re MMY however is, I just don't know. At this point anyhow, it wouldn't affect my worldview either way, as far as I can see :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Reporting on MUM (was Email)
Anything that shakes up Maharishi University is grist for readers of the Fairfield Ledger, and the trends we discuss here certainly qualify: - Enthusiasm for TM is effectively nil, threatening enrollments at the University. - Wealthy people leave Fairfield as children grow and leave school, with no families to take their places. - Former TMers feel no ties to the University, hence it lacks the donations that universities depend upon to thrive. Could Fairfield end up with another abandoned campus to sell in the next decade? Let's hope that's a stretch. But the possibility deserves tracking. - Patrick Gillam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Perhaps Erik will now turn his investigative skills to, say, the attitude of local churches to gays and to gay marriage. This is a topic I know nothing about, but I am sure it would be possible to produce a piece bashing some church or other for its reactionary views, digging up a few disgruntled ex-members to say some negative things, etc. etc. It won't happen of course, because in this town, when you want to attack a local organization, it's almost predetermined which one you aim for. You feel Erik is being selective in who he's targeting? I certainly don't claim to know what's in his heart or what motivates him, so maybe you're right. But it seems to me that the Amma visits being such huge phenomena (statewide media coverage every year) make that story and the friction with the TMO an obvious topic to cover. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any significant effect on world consciousness at the moment? *I* don't, no. Would I be able to see it if there were one? I don't know; quite possibly not, especially if we're limiting it to at the moment. If not at this time, when was the last point at which you felt you could observe something of significance? The fall of the Soviet Union and a bunch of other highly unlikely positive events that happened within a fairly short span of time. Not long afterward, a prophetic essay was published that got a lot of attention, pointing out that the fall of the Soviet Union had eliminated the balance of terror between the two superpowers that was keeping international conflicts in check, and that we would likely be in for some serious trouble in the next decades. I immediately connected that with what MMY had always said, that things would get worse before getting permanently better. I would also note that MMY's programs have never had the level of participation he had said was required to bring about permanent change for the better. On the basis of all this, I'm not prepared to declare that these programs have not had or cannot have an effect on world consciousness. I don't declare the opposite, either. I just don't know. Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) Lovely, LBS -- and when I hear someone say I don't know, my immediate impulse is often to say I love you! For where the mind surrenders, the heart embraces :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There have been other sources of irritation (letters to the editor in the Ledger, etc), but basically they just don't want me talking to people on campus. Better give Socrates that ticket outta here -- we don't want him corruptin our youth :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: They beamed him up
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Star Trek Star James Doohan Dies http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050720/ap_on_en_tv/obit_doohan (excerpt) In a 1998 interview, Doohan was asked if he ever got tired of hearing the line Beam me up, Scotty. I'm not tired of it at all, he replied. Good gracious, it's been said to me for just about 31 years. It's been said to me at 70 miles an hour across four lanes on the freeway. I hear it from just about everybody. It's been fun. Farewell, Scotty -- live long and prosper. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I recall in '82 or '83 they tried to get employers to fire people who had been seeing Robin Carlson too. AFAIK Carlson was not giving out techniques, though I could be mistaken here. Actually, I believe you are mistaken here. I recall he taught something like Technique[s] for the Discovery of Grace. I've never encountered a description, and I've never enquired about it. That was all happening when I first arrived in FF back in 1982. Yes, that may well be so. It would be interesting if anyone here can tell us more about that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey Clements had once an explanation why we should not meditate in the same room as people meditating a different method. He said that TM-meditation is so subtle and it is going on so subtle things in our brainwaves. So if we meditated with people with other techniques, our brainwaves could be disturbed. I believe in science this is known as the Unified Elitism Theory, or We're too sensitive to mix with that lowlife scum. *lol* I have heard that many residents of Maharishi Vedic City even feel that way about Fairfield :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I listened to the guy talking to Jan Michelson on WHO radio, and it was clear to me that he had to dumb down Vedanta in order to compare it to Christianity (for example, Shiva is the destroyer, therefore he's the equivalent of Satan), and IMO, that said a hell of a lot more about his Christianity than Vedanta. snip Aw hell, Bubba, of *course* Shiva is Satan! They both got pitchforks and a big ol' serpent and oversee loads of demons don't they!? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I thought that Clements and co. was next to God - so I believed this stuff. The operative words being next to :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers: fact or fiction?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Gillam wrote: TM teachers must be recertified to remain TM teachers. wmurphy77 wrote: Is that true??? Recertified? Unless they've been recertified, people who were once qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi are not to teach TM or check the meditations of people who've learned TM. The exception is that TM teachers may check the meditations of their own initiates. Actually it's a good idea, also the TMorg should have had refresher courses for Initiators long ago, but that's just yet another thing the TMorg dropped the ball on! When Maharishi realized there'd never be enough meditators to make a difference in world consciousness in his lifetime, he quit promoting the teaching, turning instead to other aspects of his Vedic revival. - Patrick Gillam Bingo... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, and I haven't seen a word except the comments about the wives not being named in the photos. I'm not even talking about the *political* aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about the practical effect of the absence of the feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on world consciousness. -Actually I have made several points on this topic over the years. As a tantric I have felt obligated to point out that the Movement is mysogynistic in structure. I always found that ironic, considering the refusal to use OM in anything, and the reliance on Shakti mantras. DOn't forget that MMY allegedly has consulted Lakshmi (?) on several occassions about the direction the TMO should go in... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:was Email - Now comments on Gable's editorial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I'm gettin ' one of Amma! I think one could count on a small, but certain clientele for bobble head dolls along this line. lurk -That's a really great idea! Bobble head Guru dolls. You could have a complete MMY collection, from full-head of dark hair, to almost completely bald with a fringe of white. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond all these differences, there are two features which are common to all fundamentalist religious movements: one, that they claim their version of religion to be the only true one, and feel threatened by pluralist systems of thought; two, that they use political means to impose their version of the truth on all members of their religion . . . Fundamentalist movements, all over the world, are basically political movements which have a religious imperative and seek in various ways, in widely differing circumstances, to harness modern state and media powers to the service of their gospel. (p.4) OMG!!! That sounds just like TMO!!! No it doesn't because anyone practicing TM can practice any religion or non-religion they want, shag chicks, or be celebate. This is a fundamantal difference, and you may be too prejudiced to see it. Unless their religion involves visiting some lady saint or something... That's true. That is one reason why I don't connect with TMO. On the other hand , it woul dbe totally ridiculous if a bunch of people were coming to the dome and practicing a totally different technique, which you know is what would happen. OffWorld Of course. I don't object to the banning, but to the way in which it is done. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [...] It only makes sense if those people are practicing other programs or techniques during their time in the dome. The TMO, however, is punishing people who visit other saints without any knowledge if they are practicing any other techniques or programs. Basically they are punishing people for crimes of thought. People are thinking in a way that they don't like. But what criteria would you use to ban someone? Can you tell, just by looking, if someone is practicing TM or some technique given (or modified) by some other teacher? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reporting on MUM (was Email)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything that shakes up Maharishi University is grist for readers of the Fairfield Ledger, and the trends we discuss here certainly qualify: - Enthusiasm for TM is effectively nil, threatening enrollments at the University. - Wealthy people leave Fairfield as children grow and leave school, with no families to take their places. - Former TMers feel no ties to the University, hence it lacks the donations that universities depend upon to thrive. Could Fairfield end up with another abandoned campus to sell in the next decade? Let's hope that's a stretch. But the possibility deserves tracking. - Patrick Gillam You bet'cha! Looks starved from both ends. The wealthy are giving to become raja's. There are no new students partially because there are no young meditators. Less families involved. Where's the alumni fund? Is the property more valuable than it used to be? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Figuring out MMY......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Most people say that the three sweetest words in the English language are I love you. I nominate I don't know as the three most truthful. ;-) And the most wise SSRS talks about the growth of consciousness going from an ignorant I don't know to an enlightened, I don't know. Or as Werner Erhard of est used to call it, Coming from don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DID....BILL....GATES....LEARN....TM ! ! ! ????
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -I take your hint. First crucify them then make them your martyrs. That's the sign of a smart and machavellian government. The same one today as yesterday when Charlemaine ruled. You need to read the Valis Trilogy by Phillip K Dick, the Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldridge, and a couple others. PKD was a natural paranoid from the hippie era who saw the complete destruction of human volition in empire, while holding out hope in the most ordinary and often squalid of circumstances. Thanks! I will try to check them out. I have heard great things about PKD over the years, but for some reason the timing wasn't right... :-) Quite a few books and shortstories have become movies: Do Androids dream of electric sheep? (Bladerunner), AI (I believe), and others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
