[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the newly fertilized egg, attaches to the uterus, In order to be aborted, the procedure requires, sucking, and tearing it from the womb. Many times, woman who use abortion, as a means to birth control, can so damage their wombs, that they can bleed to death. Only if they're forced to do it themselves with a coat hanger, or have some quack do it on a kitchen table because safe medical abortion isn't available. First-trimester abortion is *significantly* safer, if done in a medical facility by a competent physician, than bringing the fetus to term and giving birth--especially for younger women. Abortion is violent, on all levels; physical, mental, emotional and spiritual... So is *birth*, for pete's sake. Virtually everything in life has a violent component, Judy. Shiva the destroyer is everywhere: when the red petals of the rose bloom the bud covering has to be violently extinguished to make room for the beautiful petals. So it is disingenious of you to cite birth as a violent act. If birth is violent then virtually everything in the universe is, too. My point, of course, is that abortion is no *more* violent than birth, Oh, really? Uh, gee, in one instance the result is the snuffing out of a POTENTIAL human life (a god who is recreated in man's image with every human birth); and, in the other instance a human life results. Yeah, very similar. And now you're disingenuously conflating the outcome with the process. As to a human life being a recreation of god, it's a pretty lame god who couldn't salvage his/her image from a piece of unwanted tissue and put it in a piece of tissue that would be treasured. It is interesting and illuminating to see how the very young children see on the issue of birth and death. Our family got into a car accident in 1980. Nothing happened to our sons, but I hurt my neck rather badly and got also a tiny fracture in it. When I told my kids that mom could have died in that accident, the younger one, who was two years old at that time, said to me with a serious look in his face: Then I would have to wait until mom gets born again. With that the issue was finished for his part. I had not been discussing with the kids about the idea of rebirth earlier. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DC Districts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/9/05 2:43 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/9/05 1:56 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/9/05 1:11 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 7 districts in DC -- and I have found some annual crime data for them. Does anyone know which district the ME facilities were located? We were spread around in different facilities. Across all seven districts? do you know whcih ones? If I got you a district map, could you guestimate #S in each? Someone said a lot of people were in the Shoreham. I was in the northern campus of a college for the deaf. I think it was Galludet. Not far from Silver Spring. Another group was in their larger campus. Perhaps if others respond like this, you'll get an idea where everyone was. My husband was there too. He was at Trinity College.He did his program there. He complained a lot about the heat he felt to be quite unpleasant. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Zen , Viagra and nitric oxide?
http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/efofzenmedon.html Effect of Zen Meditation on serum nitric oxide activity and lipid peroxidation. Kim DH, Moon YS, Kim HS, Jung JS, Park HM, Suh HW, Kim YH, Song DK. Abstract: This study was designed to investigate the effect of Zen Meditation on serum nitric oxide activity (NO) and oxidative stress (lipid peroxidation). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'A Taste of Utopia'
It was December of 1983; my wife was pregnant with our son, Jeff; He was born the Day Maharishi left, six weeks later, or January 16Th. Jeff is studying in New York now, to be a writer. Always, when Maharishi was coming to town, all was very secretive; Chris worked in the office, and whispers were given to his exact time of arrival. And always the day He came, all would go to a deep silent level; Like the Ocean Itself, had arrived on the scene. Anyway, that time he arrived with great fanfare, As this was the 'Greatest Show on Earth", 'A Taste of Utopia, With almost 10, 000 sidhas attending in a vast structure, together. It was so cold that night, when He arrived, the pipes in the store were frozen; The next day. The Joke in Town was, "Thank God, This is only a taste of utopia... It was as if He had lowered the temperature, for some reason; Or someone had... Anyway we got through it alright, and our son, was born, on the eve, Of the day, that Maharishi, left... Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But he hasn't seen the study. It used highly sopisticated statistical methodology, and I don't think it's even possible to speculate about what was done on that level of sophistication. Well, its not magic. Based on a survey of available data, constraints on such and all, I can speculate with some degree of reasonablness as to what issues they faced, and how they approached the problems methodologically. I have been there. ExxonMobil scientists use highly sophisticated statistical methodology to prove global warming doesn't exist, creationists use it to prove evolution is a hoax. Highly sophisticated statistical methodology is useless within a bad study design. My real pt - you have to be skeptical of studies which (1) support the marketing of products made by the organization which is paying the scientists to do the studies, and (2) support the particular religious worldview of the scientists conducting the study. In the case of the M-effect studies, you have both at work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip They never even considered looking at nonviolent crime. That isn't what they were out to prove. But they WOULD have mentioned it if the stats had warranted it. If they had looked at the nonviolent stats! They were having enough trouble getting the *violent* stats in a form they could use. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But he hasn't seen the study. It used highly sopisticated statistical methodology, and I don't think it's even possible to speculate about what was done on that level of sophistication. Well, its not magic. Based on a survey of available data, constraints on such and all, I can speculate with some degree of reasonablness as to what issues they faced, and how they approached the problems methodologically. I have been there. ExxonMobil scientists use highly sophisticated statistical methodology to prove global warming doesn't exist, creationists use it to prove evolution is a hoax. Highly sophisticated statistical methodology is useless within a bad study design. My real pt - you have to be skeptical of studies which (1) support the marketing of products made by the organization which is paying the scientists to do the studies, and (2) support the particular religious worldview of the scientists conducting the study. In the case of the M-effect studies, you have both at work. I completely agree on all counts. I was not using sophisticated to mean unassailable. It may even be the case that the more sophisticated the methodology, the more opportunities to do some sophisticated fudging that would only become evident if you did an exhaustive examination of everything that went into and came out of the computer. But by the same token, the more sophisticated the methodology, if you don't have access to all the details, the less likely a *speculation* on what the researchers were doing (honestly or otherwise) is to be on target. In other words, I don't believe akasha is in a position even to guess at flaws in the study or to say the results didn't reflect the reality unless he knows *exactly* what methodology the researchers used. He has to be able to see the published study before he can make a relevant evaluation. I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method, run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two questions for the abortion-lovers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At http://www.nas.orh.uk, Autism is defined as: A lifelong developmental disability that affects the way a person communicates and relates to people around them. Children and adults with autism are unable to relate to others in a meaningful way. Their ability to develop friendships is impaired, as is their capacity to understand other people's feelings. All people with autism have impairments in social interactions, social communication and imagination. This is referred to as the triad of impairments. If you imagine that Nabokov, Speilberg, Einstein and Bill Gates come under this definition, you must be off your trolly. Uns. I guess then that others are alos off their trolly: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/ http://imdb.com/name/nm229/bio http://rarediseases.about.com/cs/aspergersyndrome/a/041003.htm No, you are. In the first link, the author says While I certainly do not know if Gates has Asperger's It seems like politically targetted supposition. As for the headline, Would you have allowed this man (Bill Gates) to be born?, I can think of a large number of people in the Open Source community who would have given you a sharp sixpennyworth. Has he ever produced software that works? Has he ever compensated anyone for the trail of disasters that is his windowing software. As for your other three links, I can't be bothered. I personally think you have never met anyone with Autism in your life and do not know your arse from your elbow. Maybe I am wrong. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two questions for the abortion-lovers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At http://www.nas.orh.uk, Autism is defined as: A lifelong developmental disability that affects the way a person communicates and relates to people around them. Children and adults with autism are unable to relate to others in a meaningful way. Their ability to develop friendships is impaired, as is their capacity to understand other people's feelings. All people with autism have impairments in social interactions, social communication and imagination. This is referred to as the triad of impairments. If you imagine that Nabokov, Speilberg, Einstein and Bill Gates come under this definition, you must be off your trolly. Uns. I guess then that others are alos off their trolly: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/ http://imdb.com/name/nm229/bio http://rarediseases.about.com/cs/aspergersyndrome/a/041003.htm No, you are. In the first link, the author says While I certainly do not know if Gates has Asperger's It seems like politically targetted supposition. As for the headline, Would you have allowed this man (Bill Gates) to be born?, I can think of a large number of people in the Open Source community who would have given you a sharp sixpennyworth. Has he ever produced software that works? Has he ever compensated anyone for the trail of disasters that is his windowing software. As for your other three links, I can't be bothered. I personally think you have never met anyone with Autism in your life and do not know your arse from your elbow. Maybe I am wrong. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! Nor is memorizing them partiularly high on my to-do list. I chant about 20-30 a night before going to sleep. I also take the time to read most of the commentary for each chant before going on to the next one. I have been doing this for only about a week now, but have noticed immediate and profound benefits. But then, most if not all of my recent breakthroughs in deeper understandings are attributable to my recent Durga-yagya attendances. (I also recomend Conscious Loving by the Hendrickses.) I also cannot overlook the profound atmosphere of Fairfield and its *numerous* saints, both sung and unsung, with whom we contantly associate. Both of us are thoroughly content here; it is like an ocean of Love :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! Nor is memorizing them partiularly high on my to-do list. I chant about 20-30 a night before going to sleep. snip OK, the math is off here somewhere -- I am up around the 933d name, so either I chant more than 30/night or I have been practicing for more than a week. Some of both I suspect :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Was Revolinski elected or Kevin Hosbond or Ed Noyes? WHAT of District races
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But he hasn't seen the study. It used highly sopisticated statistical methodology, and I don't think it's even possible to speculate about what was done on that level of sophistication. Well, its not magic. Based on a survey of available data, constraints on such and all, I can speculate with some degree of reasonablness as to what issues they faced, and how they approached the problems methodologically. I have been there. ExxonMobil scientists use highly sophisticated statistical methodology to prove global warming doesn't exist, creationists use it to prove evolution is a hoax. Highly sophisticated statistical methodology is useless within a bad study design. My real pt - you have to be skeptical of studies which (1) support the marketing of products made by the organization which is paying the scientists to do the studies, and (2) support the particular religious worldview of the scientists conducting the study. In the case of the M-effect studies, you have both at work. I completely agree on all counts. I was not using sophisticated to mean unassailable. It may even be the case that the more sophisticated the methodology, the more opportunities to do some sophisticated fudging that would only become evident if you did an exhaustive examination of everything that went into and came out of the computer. But by the same token, the more sophisticated the methodology, if you don't have access to all the details, the less likely a *speculation* on what the researchers were doing (honestly or otherwise) is to be on target. In other words, I don't believe akasha is in a position even to guess at flaws in the study or to say the results didn't reflect the reality unless he knows *exactly* what methodology the researchers used. He has to be able to see the published study before he can make a relevant evaluation. I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method, run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results. Does someone have a link for the published study so we can all look at the methodolgy section? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Revolinski elected or Kevin Hosbond or Ed Noyes? WHAT of District races
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how did the district races go in FF? see: www.ffledger.com for the election results Revolinski won. Noyes lost. Rubis won. Hosbond lost. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Does someone have a link for the published study so we can all look at the methodolgy section? It isn't on the Web (or we'd have been looking at it long since). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WTF award for today...
on 11/9/05 9:58 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CDC May Distribute 1918 Killer Flu AP - Wed Nov 9, 1:18 PM ET ATLANTA - Federal scientists say they will consider requests to ship the recently recreated 1918 killer flu virus to select U.S. research labs. There are 300 non-government research labs registered to work with deadly germs like the Spanish flu, which killed millions of people worldwide. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will consider requests for samples from those labs on a case-by-case basis, CDC spokesman Von Roebuck said Wednesday. Sure would be a hop, skip and a jump to martial law if they had an 'accident'... Except ALL of us are descendents from people who survived it, so we're actually reasonably safe from it. Is immunity from a virus passed on to one's offspring? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But he hasn't seen the study. It used highly sopisticated statistical methodology, and I don't think it's even possible to speculate about what was done on that level of sophistication. Well, its not magic. Based on a survey of available data, constraints on such and all, I can speculate with some degree of reasonablness as to what issues they faced, and how they approached the problems methodologically. I have been there. ExxonMobil scientists use highly sophisticated statistical methodology to prove global warming doesn't exist, creationists use it to prove evolution is a hoax. Highly sophisticated statistical methodology is useless within a bad study design. My real pt - you have to be skeptical of studies which (1) support the marketing of products made by the organization which is paying the scientists to do the studies, and (2) support the particular religious worldview of the scientists conducting the study. In the case of the M-effect studies, you have both at work. Absolutely. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip They never even considered looking at nonviolent crime. That isn't what they were out to prove. But they WOULD have mentioned it if the stats had warranted it. If they had looked at the nonviolent stats! They were having enough trouble getting the *violent* stats in a form they could use. M... The FBI uniform crime stats were eventually available for all sorts of crime types. If there had been a correlation with the ME, they would have mentioned it, if only in a subsequent article... Look at how long they've been milking the results of the cardiology studies, and the study on the elderly that was first done in the 1980's. Followups to that study are still being published 10+ years later by MUM scientists. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: WTF award for today...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/9/05 9:58 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CDC May Distribute 1918 Killer Flu AP - Wed Nov 9, 1:18 PM ET ATLANTA - Federal scientists say they will consider requests to ship the recently recreated 1918 killer flu virus to select U.S. research labs. There are 300 non-government research labs registered to work with deadly germs like the Spanish flu, which killed millions of people worldwide. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will consider requests for samples from those labs on a case-by-case basis, CDC spokesman Von Roebuck said Wednesday. Sure would be a hop, skip and a jump to martial law if they had an 'accident'... Except ALL of us are descendents from people who survived it, so we're actually reasonably safe from it. Is immunity from a virus passed on to one's offspring? Increased likelihood of overcoming an infection is generally an inherited trait... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: WTF award for today...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/9/05 9:58 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CDC May Distribute 1918 Killer Flu AP - Wed Nov 9, 1:18 PM ET ATLANTA - Federal scientists say they will consider requests to ship the recently recreated 1918 killer flu virus to select U.S. research labs. There are 300 non-government research labs registered to work with deadly germs like the Spanish flu, which killed millions of people worldwide. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will consider requests for samples from those labs on a case-by-case basis, CDC spokesman Von Roebuck said Wednesday. Sure would be a hop, skip and a jump to martial law if they had an 'accident'... Except ALL of us are descendents from people who survived it, so we're actually reasonably safe from it. Is immunity from a virus passed on to one's offspring? Natural immunity (or resistance) is, certainly, because it's genetic. Millions of Native Americans died of diseases brought over by the Europeans to which the Europeans had evolved resistance, but the Indians had not--including the common cold. Today, though, Native Americans don't die of the common cold, because they're descended from people who *didn't* die of it; they've inherited their ancestors' immunity (resistance, really) to those viruses. That's natural selection at work, survival of the fittest. Of course, the same applies to bacteria and viruses-- they evolve as well. So a person may have resistance to a virus, but if the virus mutates, it may be able to get around the original resistance. Then after a few generations the hosts evolve resistance to the mutation, and the virus has to mutate again. It's an endless dance. Viruses and bacteria, BTW, don't necessarily evolve to become more lethal, because if they kill the host, the host is less likely to pass the bug to others, so the bug isn't able to multiply in a new host; multiplying in a dead host is a dead end. Lethality may not be a species survival trait, in other words. The viruses that cause the common cold are extremely successful evolutionarily because they *don't* kill their hosts--in fact, they often don't make the host sick enough to stay home, so their opportunity to multiply in new hosts is vastly increased. (I think I've got this right. Corrections welcome.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You certainly cognize it well enough; cosmic levels of energy n' stuff. Possibly like my apparent ability to design musical stuff but have little interest in actually playing it. Off and away, to play, and play, and play! Ooops! Damn, just gave away the ultra top secret of life... Yes, all those strata are essentially a mind-game to me -- the only one that really counts as far as governance is concerned is our intimacy with and Love of Divine Mother, for She is Our marriage to and dance with all of creation :-) Makes sense to me. Interesting how our gross senses tell us that we are separate beings, yet what *feels* true, and leads to more and more knowledge; infinite expansion as far as I can tell, is that we are all one. With the other assumption, of being separate, we tend to run dry. Curious- sorta like that thing with the sun apparently rising and setting but it really doesn't...Celestial humor? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! Nor is memorizing them partiularly high on my to-do list. I chant about 20-30 a night before going to sleep. snip OK, the math is off here somewhere -- I am up around the 933d name, so either I chant more than 30/night or I have been practicing for more than a week. Some of both I suspect :-) I am interested- as long as I don't get all spaced out when I do it, I'll give it a shot. What is the title of the book please? There is a good bookstore nearby where I will look for it. Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, I don't believe akasha is in a position even to guess at flaws in the study or to say the results didn't reflect the reality unless he knows *exactly* what methodology the researchers used. He has to be able to see the published study before he can make a relevant evaluation. The summary appears quite clear -- they did not use the control variables in the primary analysis. I don't need to read the full study, which I seek to, to raise concerns about that and other things stated in the summary. And I can speculate as to the data issues they faced, having climbed that hill many times in various analysis projects, and why they did what they did (as outlined in the summary). Speculation is not exactly a searing critique. On the same token, I suppose its hard for you to defend the study without having it at hand. (Just curious, did you read the full study in the past? But no longer have a copy?) I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method, run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results. I guess, if thats what i were doing, above. Which I am not. Nice strawman. First I am using the most standard and conventional methods for this type of study -- multi-variate regression. I did not suddenly invent regression for this analysis. Second, who knows if I will get the same or a different result than them. Its a work in progress. I shared some preliminary exploratory results, based on a surprising strong little initial model. As I get better data, I will undoubtedly be able to develop better models. Third, I am approaching the analysis from different angles, more angles perhaps, than they did. Thats a good thing. For example, looking at personal crimes, using a unified model for the complete analysis, etc. Fourth, I am not using my analysis as a basis to critique the oringinal study. I am doing it to understand the ME and verify or reject it based on the actual numbers. For now, I would rather debate my own analysis than some analysis done 12 years ago in which the data used is not apparently readily available, nor the study itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! I was just curious. Some folks do chant from memory. I have always thought would be nice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Roe v. Wade (was paperboy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting and illuminating to see how the very young children see on the issue of birth and death. Our family got into a car accident in 1980. Nothing happened to our sons, but I hurt my neck rather badly and got also a tiny fracture in it. When I told my kids that mom could have died in that accident, the younger one, who was two years old at that time, said to me with a serious look in his face: Then I would have to wait until mom gets born again. With that the issue was finished for his part. I had not been discussing with the kids about the idea of rebirth earlier. Irmeli This reminds me of when my daughter was about the same age and began spontaneously talking about angels. I don't remember her exact wording. Also I had not spoken with her previously about such things because why talk about such things with a toddler, when the main focus for them is eating, playing and sleeping? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
on 11/10/05 11:21 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! I was just curious. Some folks do chant from memory. I have always thought would be nice. If you're talking about 1008 names of Mother Divine, Vaju, who runs the local Amma center here, can do them from memory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Mmmm... I could imagine where Harvard might strongly recommend that faculty and staff members not participate in some radical discussion forum, but radical would be a tad more extreme than what goes on here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A book you might enjoy
Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded from Steve Briggs, who spent years in India working for Maharishi. The book is about his experiences while there. Some excerpts and a jpeg of the cover are attached. For those who don't get FFL by email, I'll post them in the files section and you'll get notifications. - Original Message - From: Steve Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: A book you might enjoy Dear Friends After three years, the book is done. I've attached a few excerpts for you to sample. The book has its ISBN number, but won't appear on Amazon or Barnes and Noble for a while yet. If you'd like a copy, just email me with your address and the number of books wanted. Steve Briggs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
Akasha, did they use an interupted time series analysis? I'm assuming with my baby stats background that this would have been appropriate. --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, I don't believe akasha is in a position even to guess at flaws in the study or to say the results didn't reflect the reality unless he knows *exactly* what methodology the researchers used. He has to be able to see the published study before he can make a relevant evaluation. The summary appears quite clear -- they did not use the control variables in the primary analysis. I don't need to read the full study, which I seek to, to raise concerns about that and other things stated in the summary. And I can speculate as to the data issues they faced, having climbed that hill many times in various analysis projects, and why they did what they did (as outlined in the summary). Speculation is not exactly a searing critique. On the same token, I suppose its hard for you to defend the study without having it at hand. (Just curious, did you read the full study in the past? But no longer have a copy?) I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method, run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results. I guess, if thats what i were doing, above. Which I am not. Nice strawman. First I am using the most standard and conventional methods for this type of study -- multi-variate regression. I did not suddenly invent regression for this analysis. Second, who knows if I will get the same or a different result than them. Its a work in progress. I shared some preliminary exploratory results, based on a surprising strong little initial model. As I get better data, I will undoubtedly be able to develop better models. Third, I am approaching the analysis from different angles, more angles perhaps, than they did. Thats a good thing. For example, looking at personal crimes, using a unified model for the complete analysis, etc. Fourth, I am not using my analysis as a basis to critique the oringinal study. I am doing it to understand the ME and verify or reject it based on the actual numbers. For now, I would rather debate my own analysis than some analysis done 12 years ago in which the data used is not apparently readily available, nor the study itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip They never even considered looking at nonviolent crime. That isn't what they were out to prove. But they WOULD have mentioned it if the stats had warranted it. If they had looked at the nonviolent stats! They were having enough trouble getting the *violent* stats in a form they could use. M... The FBI uniform crime stats were eventually available for all sorts of crime types. Yeah, but would they have *looked* at them? If there had been a correlation with the ME, they would have mentioned it, if only in a subsequent article... Look at how long they've been milking the results of the cardiology studies, and the study on the elderly that was first done in the 1980's. Followups to that study are still being published 10+ years later by MUM scientists. Sure, but MMY lost interest in ME studies after the D.C. project. PRobably because the results weren't nearly as nice asthey had hoped for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. 1) Who ordered them? and 2) I wonder if such a directive is in writing... I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
I didn't realize that there were any faculty members on FFL. Hello there! I hope you are doing well. --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Mmmm... I could imagine where Harvard might strongly recommend that faculty and staff members not participate in some radical discussion forum, but radical would be a tad more extreme than what goes on here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Mmmm... I could imagine where Harvard might strongly recommend that faculty and staff members not participate in some radical discussion forum, You can? I can't even in my wildest dreams imagine Harvard recommending in any way, shape or form that ANY of its faculty abstain from ANY form of intellectual endeavor. Spare Egg, the mere fact that you suggest this is a reflection on you: you come across as a cult member willing and able to justify ANY kind of silly cult instruction. but radical would be a tad more extreme than what goes on here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Astonishing. Who ordered this? Was it actually written down? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
on 11/10/05 11:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. 1) Who ordered them? I don't know, but perhaps the person who told me this will tell me. and 2) I wonder if such a directive is in writing... Again don't know. Could have been, or could have been announced in a faculty/staff meeting. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
Sorry, having trouble clicking on and linking to the attachments below...any alternative way to access them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded from Steve Briggs, who spent years in India working for Maharishi. The book is about his experiences while there. Some excerpts and a jpeg of the cover are attached. For those who don't get FFL by email, I'll post them in the files section and you'll get notifications. - Original Message - From: Steve Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: A book you might enjoy Dear Friends After three years, the book is done. I've attached a few excerpts for you to sample. The book has its ISBN number, but won't appear on Amazon or Barnes and Noble for a while yet. If you'd like a copy, just email me with your address and the number of books wanted. Steve Briggs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Principality of New Utopia
Hey, someone's doing weird even better than we are. (from http://www.quatloos.com/fake-nations.htm#camside ) What would happen if you took a bunch of abandoned Gulf of Mexico oil platforms, hauled them out into the middle of the Caribbean, and lashed them together over a reef? Why, you would have the Principality of New Utopia, of course! That was the original idea, and the oil platforms have been dumped in favor of just building huge pillars into the Caribbean sand. And now they've also added modern jet service, to be provided by Utopian Air Lines, and will also feature Airship Service (giant blimps, as yet built by a company in Dallas). When you get their, you can further your education at the Utopian University, which has a Medical School which emphasizes research on longevity. It is in the area of longevity that the Principality will have a leg up on everyone else, because of the experience of its founder, one Howard Turney (a/k/a Prince Lazarus) of that Caribbean hotspot known as Tulsa, Oklahoma, who in the past had some connection to longevity drug scams. Indeed, the Securities Exchange Commission has recently become interested in Turney because of his efforts to sell Utopia bonds with which the project will be financed. Selling worthless bonds isn't the Principality's only scam. For $35,000 you can get a license to form a Class A bank, for $5,000 you can get an internet bank license, or for $10,000 you can get a trust license, presumably allowing you to form trusts if the Principality is ever formed. Still, somebody has wasted their time in drafting full corporation and trust laws, apparently in the expectation that someone would actually be dumb enough to pay them for their services. But if you are going to use these services, you had better be a good swimmer. The Principality of New Utopia is one of two fake nation scams which starts out under water - and in more ways than one. The only place you can visit the Principality (and have a look at a photograph of Prince Lazarus) is at its website at http://www.new-utopia.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
on 11/10/05 11:36 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, having trouble clicking on and linking to the attachments below...any alternative way to access them? Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wednesdaynightsatsang/files/ and see the top folder. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A book you might enjoy
On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote:Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die-hard student, do if they were told by their teacher "this is the way it is", even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha, did they use an interupted time series analysis? I'm assuming with my baby stats background that this would have been appropriate. Yes, it appears they used an ARIMA / Box-Jenkins model. Which is efficient for impact anlysis with highly seasonal and autocorrelated data -- typically financial data. The crime data may have seasonality but does not appear to be that strongly autocorrelated. And traditioanlly, it requires 5-6 seasons of data to be reliable. Since one of their models was only for 1993 data (from the summary) it raises some questions. IMO, its too bad they did not use a more generalized regression approach. Anything that can be done in ARIMA can be done in a regression model specification -- by using differening and lagging of variables, and use of dummy variables for impacts and seasonality. ARIMA, IMO, is a bit of a black box, regression models are much more transparent. And regression allows, at least is easier for, testing a large number of independent control variables in a unified model. The summary states that temperature was the only control variable used in the primary analysis for the 1 year and 5 year analysis. Then, later, they tested a range of social / LE control variables to show, per their satisfaction, that the contol variables were insignificant in effecting the results of the 1 and 5 year models. Aside from being methodologically weak, of not using variables in the primary models, this findng is counter intuitive and contradicts many crime studies where factors beyond temperature have a clear impact on crime levels. I suspect, they were forced to test the control variables outside the primary analysis because of different time intervals for the relevant data. Often the socio-economic / LE data is available in annual form, and the impact analysis -- crime and temp data was weekly. When we locate a copy of the study, we will have a better idea. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Mmmm... I could imagine where Harvard might strongly recommend that faculty and staff members not participate in some radical discussion forum, You can? I can't even in my wildest dreams imagine Harvard recommending in any way, shape or form that ANY of its faculty abstain from ANY form of intellectual endeavor. Spare Egg, the mere fact that you suggest this is a reflection on you: you come across as a cult member willing and able to justify ANY kind of silly cult instruction. Heh, in this day and age, participation in certain kinds of discussions would DEFINITELY get you a visit from the FBI, at the very least. As I said, I don't count FFL as rising tothat level by any conceivable means, but just because the bar is an inch of the ground (if not lying flat) for MUM faculty, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist at all for Harvard faculty. Even prior to 9/11, hanging with certain people and certain groups would certainly be frowned on by any university (or any business for that matter). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote: Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die- hard student, do if they were told by their teacher this is the way it is, even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting. If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the teacher. If I saw them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On the same token, I suppose its hard for you to defend the study without having it at hand. I'm not defending the study, as you must know if you've been reading my posts. (Just curious, did you read the full study in the past? But no longer have a copy?) I read the preliminary study that was released (but not published) a year or so after the project. I've never seen the final version. I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method, run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results. I guess, if thats what i were doing, above. Which I am not. Nice strawman. First I am using the most standard and conventional methods for this type of study -- multi-variate regression. I did not suddenly invent regression for this analysis. I suspect you're well aware that isn't what I meant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
On Nov 10, 2005, at 1:08 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote: Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die- hard student, do if they were told by their teacher "this is the way it is", even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting. If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the teacher. If I saw them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking. That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did.Scary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Mmmm... I could imagine where Harvard might strongly recommend that faculty and staff members not participate in some radical discussion forum, You can? I can't even in my wildest dreams imagine Harvard recommending in any way, shape or form that ANY of its faculty abstain from ANY form of intellectual endeavor. Spare Egg, the mere fact that you suggest this is a reflection on you: you come across as a cult member willing and able to justify ANY kind of silly cult instruction. Clever how you carefully detached the rest of the sentence--even changing the comma to a period so the first part appeared to be all he was saying-- to make it appear that he was trying to justify the ban, when the part of the sentence you pushed away makes it crystal clear he was doing just the opposite: but radical would be a tad more extreme than what goes on here. Such integrity, Shemp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 11:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. 1) Who ordered them? I don't know, but perhaps the person who told me this will tell me. and 2) I wonder if such a directive is in writing... Again don't know. Could have been, or could have been announced in a faculty/staff meeting. My understanding is that alt.meditation.transcendental was verboten years ago (and no doubt still is). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method, run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results. I guess, if thats what i were doing, above. Which I am not. Nice strawman. First I am using the most standard and conventional methods for this type of study -- multi-variate regression. I did not suddenly invent regression for this analysis. I suspect you're well aware that isn't what I meant. Ok. What did you mean by I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method? I assume you agree that the rest of your statement, I'm not at all sure he can run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results was misguided, per the repsonse below. - Akasha full prior response: I guess, if thats what i were doing, above. Which I am not. Nice strawman. First I am using the most standard and conventional methods for this type of study -- multi-variate regression. I did not suddenly invent regression for this analysis. Second, who knows if I will get the same or a different result than them. Its a work in progress. I shared some preliminary exploratory results, based on a surprising strong little initial model. As I get better data, I will undoubtedly be able to develop better models. Third, I am approaching the analysis from different angles, more angles perhaps, than they did. Thats a good thing. For example, looking at personal crimes, using a unified model for the complete analysis, etc. Fourth, I am not using my analysis as a basis to critique the oringinal study. I am doing it to understand the ME and verify or reject it based on the actual numbers. For now, I would rather debate my own analysis than some analysis done 12 years ago in which the data used is not apparently readily available, nor the study itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method, run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results. I guess, if thats what i were doing, above. Which I am not. Nice strawman. First I am using the most standard and conventional methods for this type of study -- multi-variate regression. I did not suddenly invent regression for this analysis. I suspect you're well aware that isn't what I meant. Ok. What did you mean by I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method? And I also suspect you know what I *did* mean. I assume you agree that the rest of your statement, I'm not at all sure he can run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results was misguided, per the repsonse below. Nope, don't agree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Mmmm... I could imagine where Harvard might strongly recommend that faculty and staff members not participate in some radical discussion forum, You can? I can't even in my wildest dreams imagine Harvard recommending in any way, shape or form that ANY of its faculty abstain from ANY form of intellectual endeavor. Spare Egg, the mere fact that you suggest this is a reflection on you: you come across as a cult member willing and able to justify ANY kind of silly cult instruction. Heh, in this day and age, participation in certain kinds of discussions would DEFINITELY get you a visit from the FBI, at the very least. As I said, I don't count FFL as rising tothat level by any conceivable means, but just because the bar is an inch of the ground (if not lying flat) for MUM faculty, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist at all for Harvard faculty. Even prior to 9/11, hanging with certain people and certain groups would certainly be frowned on by any university (or any business for that matter). So, you're putting discussion of the kinds of things we do here on FFL on par with criminal activities? How silly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:59 PM, sparaig wrote:Heh, in this day and age, participation in certain kinds of discussions would DEFINITELY get you a visit from the FBI, at the very least.Or in this case, maybe some yagyas from pundits to remove the "obstacle" that FFL and it's inhabitants represent? As I said, I don't count FFL as rising tothat level by any conceivable means, but just because the bar is an inch of the ground (if not lying flat) for MUM faculty, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist at all for Harvard faculty. Even prior to 9/11, hanging with certain people and certain groups would certainly be frowned on by any university (or any business for that matter). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 1:08 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die- hard student, do if they were told by their teacher this is the way it is, even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting. If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the teacher. If I saw them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking. That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. And those folks in Beverly Hills wanting to hitch a ride on that comet...Hopefully that leasson has been learned. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:59 PM, sparaig wrote: Heh, in this day and age, participation in certain kinds of discussions would DEFINITELY get you a visit from the FBI, at the very least. Or in this case, maybe some yagyas from pundits to remove the obstacle that FFL and it's inhabitants represent? As I said, I don't count FFL as rising tothat level by any conceivable means, but just because the bar is an inch of the ground (if not lying flat) for MUM faculty, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist at all for Harvard faculty. Even prior to 9/11, hanging with certain people and certain groups would certainly be frowned on by any university (or any business for that matter). Now where'd I put that sandwich board with The end of the world is nigh! Repent ye sinners! on it??? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method, run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results. I guess, if thats what i were doing, above. Which I am not. Nice strawman. First I am using the most standard and conventional methods for this type of study -- multi-variate regression. I did not suddenly invent regression for this analysis. J: I suspect you're well aware that isn't what I meant. A: Ok. What did you mean by I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method? J: And I also suspect you know what I *did* mean. A: I assume you agree that the rest of your statement, I'm not at all sure he can run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results was misguided, per the repsonse below. J: Nope, don't agree. A: - Akasha full prior response: I guess, if thats what i were doing, above. Which I am not. Nice strawman. First I am using the most standard and conventional methods for this type of study -- multi-variate regression. I did not suddenly invent regression for this analysis. Second, who knows if I will get the same or a different result than them. Its a work in progress. I shared some preliminary exploratory results, based on a surprising strong little initial model. As I get better data, I will undoubtedly be able to develop better models. Third, I am approaching the analysis from different angles, more angles perhaps, than they did. Thats a good thing. For example, looking at personal crimes, using a unified model for the complete analysis, etc. Fourth, I am not using my analysis as a basis to critique the oringinal study. I am doing it to understand the ME and verify or reject it based on the actual numbers. For now, I would rather debate my own analysis than some analysis done 12 years ago in which the data used is not apparently readily available, nor the study itself. === Akasha: OK. aside from non-answers and short statements of disageements, you you care to share why? You make strong accusations and then waffle when asked to clarify. 1) What did you mean by I'm not at all sure he can come up with his own method? It was not clear to me, thus I asked 2)Do you agree that multi-variate regression is a most standard and conventional methods for this type of study? Or do you have no basis for knowing? 3) Do you realize that I don't know if I will get the same or a different result than them, that its a work in progress? 4) Do you understand that I am approaching the analysis from different angles, more angles perhaps, than they did? 5) Do you understand that I am not using my analysis as a basis to critique the oringinal study. I am doing it to understand the ME and verify or reject it based on the actual numbers? If you do understand any or all of the above, how can you say I'm not at all sure he can run all the numbers, get different results, and on that basis, without knowing what methodology they were using, say there was something wrong with their results? It appears to be contradictory. Again I am curious as to your logic chain here. It appears flawed. Enlighten me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 1:08 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote: Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die- hard student, do if they were told by their teacher this is the way it is, even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting. If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the teacher. If I saw them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking. That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think few would follow a master's directive to kill themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a test or not, I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is just honing in for a specific attachment kill. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think few would follow a master's directive to kill themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a test or not, I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is just honing in for a specific attachment kill. But dude, oh yea of little faith. Like, dude, don't you remember that master-dude who told the disciple-dude to jump off the cliff, and he did without hesitation, and the master climbed down, picked up all the scattered gory pieces of the student-dude, and brought the dude back to life. Way kewl! I'm up for that man. Totally! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
On Nov 10, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 1:08 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote: Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die- hard student, do if they were told by their teacher "this is the way it is", even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting.If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the teacher. If I saw them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking. That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think few would follow a "master's" directive to kill themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a "test" or not, I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is just honing in for a specific attachment "kill." Partly I was, for example there is the story in Swami Rama's biography of him jumping into a dangerous river at his master bidding.I was also remembering the stories I heard on retreat years ago from Mike Love's tech who spent a lot of time with Mike and M. M would single him out and talk in hypnotic tones, display various siddhis, etc. ... anything to get this Buddhist to change boats. He in no uncertain terms made it clear that he wanted to control him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think few would follow a master's directive to kill themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a test or not, I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is just honing in for a specific attachment kill. But dude, oh yea of little faith. Like, dude, don't you remember that master-dude who told the disciple-dude to jump off the cliff, and he did without hesitation, and the master climbed down, picked up all the scattered gory pieces of the student-dude, and brought the dude back to life. Way kewl! I'm up for that man. Totally! What a rush, dude, on the way down. Killer! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 11:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. 1) Who ordered them? I don't know, but perhaps the person who told me this will tell me. and 2) I wonder if such a directive is in writing... Again don't know. Could have been, or could have been announced in a faculty/staff meeting. It was the same meeting in which Bevan was directed to stop screwing married women and John was told to have sex with no more than 12 different women in one month. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
On Nov 10, 2005, at 1:51 PM, akasha_108 wrote:Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think few would follow a "master's" directive to kill themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a "test" or not, I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is just honing in for a specific attachment "kill." But dude, oh yea of little faith. Like, dude, don't you remember that master-dude who told the disciple-dude to jump off the cliff, and he did without hesitation, and the master climbed down, picked up all the scattered gory pieces of the student-dude, and brought the dude back to life. Way kewl! I'm up for that man. Totally! The only way M. would put you back together would be if you left a credit card behind. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and John was told to have sex with no more than 12 different women in one month. All at the same time? Did he get that Krishna/gopi siddhi? Lucky dude. (he may not be a big dick, but he has a lot of them, apparently.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was the same meeting in which Bevan was directed to stop screwing married women and John was told to have sex with no more than 12 different women in one month. Was that the same meeting where the faculty senate voted to damn democracy? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was the same meeting in which Bevan was directed to stop screwing married women and John was told to have sex with no more than 12 different women in one month. Was that the same meeting where the faculty senate voted to damn democracy? Yes. It was a Thursday, I believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think few would follow a master's directive to kill themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a test or not, I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is just honing in for a specific attachment kill. But dude, oh yea of little faith. Like, dude, don't you remember that master-dude who told the disciple-dude to jump off the cliff, and he did without hesitation, and the master climbed down, picked up all the scattered gory pieces of the student-dude, and brought the dude back to life. Way kewl! I'm up for that man. Totally! What a rush, dude, on the way down. Killer! And I heard man, that the student-dude's bad knee, that he blew out on those steep and deep bumps at Telluride, fully blazed, was like totally gone when he got revived. I mean the knee wasn't gone dude, that would be like so funny, but that the badness in his knee was gone. I gotta get me one of them swami-ogga-booga-dudes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was the same meeting in which Bevan was directed to stop screwing married women and John was told to have sex with no more than 12 different women in one month. Was that the same meeting where the faculty senate voted to damn democracy? Yes. It was a Thursday, I believe. I wonder if john would jump off a cliff, while doing it with 12 women at once, if M. told him too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mad dogs and Englishmen......
"Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun" by Noel Coward is this why they stopped teaching TM in Britain.?? Question for Rick Archer, Was there too much negativity in the collective consciousness of the Dinosaurs, and this caused an asteroid to hit earth 65 million years back.?? Correct or false.?? ---OriginalMessage-- Mad Dogs and Englishmen by Noel CowardIn tropical climes there are certain times of day When all the citizens retire to tear their clothes off and perspire. It's one of the rules that the greatest fools obey, Because the sun is much too sultry And one must avoid its ultry-violet ray. The natives grieve when the white men leave their huts, Because they're obviously, definitely nuts! Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun, The Japanese don´t care to, the Chinese wouldn´t dare to, Hindus and Argentines sleep firmly from twelve to one But Englishmen detest-a siesta. In the Philippines they have lovely screens to protect you from the glare. In the Malay States, there are hats like plates which the Britishers won't wear. At twelve noon the natives swoon and no further work is done, But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. It's such a surprise for the Eastern eyes to see, that though the English are effete, they're quite impervious to heat, When the white man rides every native hides in glee, Because the simple creatures hope he will impale his solar topee on a tree. It seems such a shame when the English claim the earth, They give rise to such hilarity and mirth. Ha ha ha ha hoo hoo hoo hoo hee hee hee hee .. Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. The toughest Burmese bandit can never understand it. In Rangoon the heat of noon is just what the natives shun, They put their Scotch or Rye down, and lie down. In a jungle town where the sun beats down to the rage of man and beast The English garb of the English sahib merely gets a bit more creased. In Bangkok at twelve o'clock they foam at the mouth and run, But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.The smallest Malay rabbit deplores this foolish habit. In Hong Kong they strike a gong and fire off a noonday gun, To reprimand each inmate who's in late. In the mangrove swamps where the python romps there is peace from twelve till two. Even caribous lie around and snooze, for there's nothing else to do. In Bengal to move at all is seldom ever done, But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was the same meeting in which Bevan was directed to stop screwing married women and John was told to have sex with no more than 12 different women in one month. Was that the same meeting where the faculty senate voted to damn democracy? Yes. It was a Thursday, I believe. I wonder if john would jump off a cliff, while doing it with 12 women at once, if M. told him too. One of those questions that can only bring nirvana. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think few would follow a master's directive to kill themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a test or not, I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is just honing in for a specific attachment kill. But dude, oh yea of little faith. Like, dude, don't you remember that master-dude who told the disciple-dude to jump off the cliff, and he did without hesitation, and the master climbed down, picked up all the scattered gory pieces of the student-dude, and brought the dude back to life. Way kewl! I'm up for that man. Totally! What a rush, dude, on the way down. Killer! And I heard man, that the student-dude's bad knee, that he blew out on those steep and deep bumps at Telluride, fully blazed, was like totally gone when he got revived. I mean the knee wasn't gone dude, that would be like so funny, but that the badness in his knee was gone. I gotta get me one of them swami-ogga-booga-dudes. Dude!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. And those folks in Beverly Hills wanting to hitch a ride on that comet...Hopefully that leasson has been learned. Well, they all castrated themselves sometime before that. I would have thought that might have been a tell-tale sign too. I mean the TMO only suggests tight wet loin-cloths and all. I mean thats like normal and ok. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Prisoner Sues God
Title: Prisoner Sues God http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1576068.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Peace Movie Link
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prisoner Sues God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1576068.html But prosecutors said it would probably be dropped and they were unable to subpoena God to court. But God IS in the court already! Jeez Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what the people who drank the kool-aid in Guyana did. Scary. And those folks in Beverly Hills wanting to hitch a ride on that comet...Hopefully that leasson has been learned. Well, they all castrated themselves sometime before that. I would have thought that might have been a tell-tale sign too. I hadn't heard that. Yeah, one of those what was your first clue...? indicators that perhaps their 'solution' was extreme... I mean the TMO only suggests tight wet loin-cloths and all. I mean thats like normal and ok. ha-ha Spandex? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM no FFL
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM faculty and staff have been ordered not to participate in FFL. I find that amusing. Imagine Harvard issuing a directive to faculty and staff not to engage in the ³CambridgeLife² Yahoo group. And imagine what their reaction to such a directive would be. Mmmm... I could imagine where Harvard might strongly recommend that faculty and staff members not participate in some radical discussion forum, You can? I can't even in my wildest dreams imagine Harvard recommending in any way, shape or form that ANY of its faculty abstain from ANY form of intellectual endeavor. Spare Egg, the mere fact that you suggest this is a reflection on you: you come across as a cult member willing and able to justify ANY kind of silly cult instruction. Heh, in this day and age, participation in certain kinds of discussions would DEFINITELY get you a visit from the FBI, at the very least. As I said, I don't count FFL as rising tothat level by any conceivable means, but just because the bar is an inch of the ground (if not lying flat) for MUM faculty, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist at all for Harvard faculty. Even prior to 9/11, hanging with certain people and certain groups would certainly be frowned on by any university (or any business for that matter). So, you're putting discussion of the kinds of things we do here on FFL on par with criminal activities? How silly. Only to the extremely paranoid. I back during the 1960's FBI agents at the be-ins my band played at getting bored and instead of taking pictures of the crowd taking pictures of the girls in bikinis instead. :) If you read some of the FOIAs from the FBI they spied on you can tell they thought the assignment ridiculous. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jamshad Ghanbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a favor Do you have access to a good quality picture of the 1993 peace creating group in Washington DC by any chance ? Please inform me on that and if possible attach the poster and mail it All the best Jamshad *** 21st century books in Fairfield might have this photo in stock: http://www.21stbooks.com/help.html#2 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] eating meat/ostrich anyone?
After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. After much research I discovered the buffalo meat is far more nutritious than plain beef and found a great source (Whole Foods) for very high quality bison meat. Today is day one, I had a small amount this morning and just had a small pieced of skinless chicken for lunch and the chicken was from free range chickens. I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. Also, has anyone tried ostrich? I saw that for sale at Whole Foods. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] eating meat/ostrich anyone?
on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. Have you tried using a mirror? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. Have you tried using a mirror? I found them kind of crunchy, but if you bake them well, and add some salt and spices, they are ok. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] eating meat/ostrich anyone?
anonymousff wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. After much research I discovered the buffalo meat is far more nutritious than plain beef and found a great source (Whole Foods) for very high quality bison meat. Today is day one, I had a small amount this morning and just had a small pieced of skinless chicken for lunch and the chicken was from free range chickens. I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. Also, has anyone tried ostrich? I saw that for sale at Whole Foods. I was told back by a naturopath in the 1970's that I could not be a vegetarian because after just two weeks on a veg diet I was showing signs of anemia. I broke that rule often over time but always had to return to a non-veg diet to feel better. There are many factors involved but if your ancestors depended on meat for protein you may have to continue doing so but maybe not to the extent they did. Other than Ayurveda I also find the concepts of metabolic typing quite useful: www.healthexcel.com - Bhairitu Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prisoner Sues God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1576068.html But prosecutors said it would probably be dropped and they were unable to subpoena God to court. But God IS in the court already! Jeez Remember The man who sued God? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268437/plotsummary Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. Have you tried using a mirror? This may be a bit over my puny head (in comparison to my abdomen) but do you mean that the end will be in sight because there I'll be, right in front of myself and that will be the end? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
on 11/10/05 4:04 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. Have you tried using a mirror? This may be a bit over my puny head (in comparison to my abdomen) but do you mean that the end will be in sight because there I'll be, right in front of myself and that will be the end? No, I meant that by using a mirror, you might be able to see your end. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 4:04 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/10/05 3:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. Have you tried using a mirror? This may be a bit over my puny head (in comparison to my abdomen) but do you mean that the end will be in sight because there I'll be, right in front of myself and that will be the end? No, I meant that by using a mirror, you might be able to see your end. you're funny, no, seriously, i mean it Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote: Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die- hard student, do if they were told by their teacher this is the way it is, even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting. If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the teacher. If I saw them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking. Master is supposed to mean expert on the path or school of thought you are pursuing not someone who has control over you. The latter seems to be a western idea. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?
For the record many people brought about the computer revolution and Gates was just a part of it. If Gary Kildall had not screwed up Gates may well have been a much much smaller player. But if you look at Gates horoscope he would have been rich dropping dishes. shempmcgurk wrote: snip You probably answered my question with a no. Whatever Gates' sins may be, he is the father of a computer revolution that has brought much good to many people throughout the world. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. You might want to look into the Zone diet. It's semi-low-carb (not extreme like Atkins), big emphasis on low-glycemic carbs, balanced amounts of fat and protein (40/30/30 percentages of carbs/protein/fat, I think, or maybe it's protein/carbs/fat, in terms of calories). The thing is that there's a vegetarian version. It's more complicated to get the necessary high-quality protein from vegetarian foods without using high-glycemic carbs like rice combined with beans, but it can be done. I haven't tried it, just read about it. The Zone diet is a lot more carefully thought through than most fad diets, and there's a lot of good medical evidence for its benefits. See-- http://www.drsears.com --for the most authentic version of the Zone diet; there are a lot of imitators (Dr. Barry Sears invented it). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
I try to eat enough protein with the idea of achieving a zone type of diet. I recommend it, especially if you are sensitive to too-much carbohydrate. When looking for a protein source, maybe 15 years ago, to try to undue the health-damages cause by a Maharishi diet, I decided to add fish. I went with fish because I remembered a friend had told me in 1982 or so that Triguna recommended it to him to build up his agni. I wanted to do that as well and figured fish couldn't be too crude for my delicate TM body if Triguna recommended it. This year, I began eating turkey, and enjoy it a lot. So, I now have two excellent sources of protein, but find neither of them heavy or tamasic in the way that I always viewed red meat was supposed to be. In fact, nothing seems to improve digestion more than hot fish. It should be fishes that swim, and not crustaceans, if you're looking for more agni. I have not tried ostrich. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. You might want to look into the Zone diet. It's semi-low-carb (not extreme like Atkins), big emphasis on low-glycemic carbs, balanced amounts of fat and protein (40/30/30 percentages of carbs/protein/fat, I think, or maybe it's protein/carbs/fat, in terms of calories). The thing is that there's a vegetarian version. It's more complicated to get the necessary high-quality protein from vegetarian foods without using high-glycemic carbs like rice combined with beans, but it can be done. I haven't tried it, just read about it. The Zone diet is a lot more carefully thought through than most fad diets, and there's a lot of good medical evidence for its benefits. See-- http://www.drsears.com --for the most authentic version of the Zone diet; there are a lot of imitators (Dr. Barry Sears invented it). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote: Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die- hard student, do if they were told by their teacher this is the way it is, even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting. If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the teacher. If I saw them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking. Master is supposed to mean expert on the path or school of thought you are pursuing not someone who has control over you. The latter seems to be a western idea. I no longer give credence to the idea of a Master as one with control over me, however if the path a person is following is comprehensive enough, say a seeker looking for the meaning of life for example, then the believed master of such a path would de facto have control over the follower, because the application of the subject matter, i.e. the meaning of life, would apply to every facet of the follower's life. So when I said what I said about Master vs teacher, I was reserving the role of a teacher to something less all encompassing than the so- called spiritual journey. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. You might want to look into the Zone diet. It's semi-low-carb (not extreme like Atkins), big emphasis on low-glycemic carbs, balanced amounts of fat and protein (40/30/30 percentages of carbs/protein/fat, I think, or maybe it's protein/carbs/fat, in terms of calories). The thing is that there's a vegetarian version. It's more complicated to get the necessary high-quality protein from vegetarian foods without using high-glycemic carbs like rice combined with beans, but it can be done. I haven't tried it, just read about it. The Zone diet is a lot more carefully thought through than most fad diets, and there's a lot of good medical evidence for its benefits. See-- http://www.drsears.com --for the most authentic version of the Zone diet; there are a lot of imitators (Dr. Barry Sears invented it). I know this is going to sound rediculously simple, but your body does in fact know what it wants to eat, so truly eat whatever you want- sometimes steak, sometimes candy, sometimes veggies, etc, etc. The whole diet idea I find repressive and intolerable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [...] At this point, it would take a separate study, beginning from the raw stats, to see if such a reduction was obvious. As I said before, quite a lot of massaging was required afterwards to make the data look good. That may or may not be the case. The weather model, as Judy pointed out, was always part of the study protocol. Perhaps the raw data wasn't as nice as they had hoped, but the raw data DID show reductions from the same time period a year ago. I was on campus the whole time. I new some of the people who were working on the thing. I observed how the story was spun, how it changed as the months rolled by. All this discussion about the weather model is ridiculous. The massaging went far beyond all that. And it stilll wasn't enough. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Personality issues should not enter into it and MIU should have honored a request from an adjacent and major university. It would have been a little like handing him a gun so he could shoot them. Judy, this strikes me as a really odd thing to say. Only a loaded gun can shoot someone, and only one kind of ammunition could have hurt MIU: evidence that their conclusions were not valid. That is, if they had nothing to fear, why not hand over the empty gun? L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote: Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the MMY and Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of one time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and suddenly he turned to the woman assigned to take notes and asked her to explain how she was taking notes. She described to him what she was doing and he angerly said, who told you to do it that way? She replied, you did! MMY said he had not told her to do anything like that at all. She insisted that he had and he kept on saying he had not. She was finally on the verge of tears and she gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do that way. MMY said, very good and told her to continue doing it the way he had told her, just as she had described. This is very interesting, esp. given the recent discussion on questionable research. What would a researcher, who was a die- hard student, do if they were told by their teacher this is the way it is, even though it contradicted their findings...? Very interesting. If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the teacher. If I saw them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking. Master is supposed to mean expert on the path or school of thought you are pursuing not someone who has control over you. The latter seems to be a western idea. I no longer give credence to the idea of a Master as one with control over me, however if the path a person is following is comprehensive enough, say a seeker looking for the meaning of life for example, then the believed master of such a path would de facto have control over the follower, because the application of the subject matter, i.e. the meaning of life, would apply to every facet of the follower's life. Even if the seeker is looking for the meaning of life a good guru guides not controls. He shows the way instead of forcing it. The student has to see from the teaching and of course the student can fail too. So when I said what I said about Master vs teacher, I was reserving the role of a teacher to something less all encompassing than the so- called spiritual journey. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I know this is going to sound rediculously simple, but your body does in fact know what it wants to eat, so truly eat whatever you want- sometimes steak, sometimes candy, sometimes veggies, etc, etc. doubled over laughing If only! The whole diet idea I find repressive and intolerable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Personality issues should not enter into it and MIU should have honored a request from an adjacent and major university. It would have been a little like handing him a gun so he could shoot them. Judy, this strikes me as a really odd thing to say. Well, actually I think you have a really odd way of interpreting it. Self-serving, even. Only a loaded gun can shoot someone, and only one kind of ammunition could have hurt MIU: evidence that their conclusions were not vald. Or *apparent* evidence. It's really pretty amusing that you're so sure the TM researchers massaged the data to show results that didn't exist, yet you can't conceive of a hostile researcher massaging data that shows real results so it ends up looking as if there are none. I don't know whether the TM researchers fudged the data when they massaged it. I do know that they had very good reason not to give the data to Markovsky even if the massaging was legitimate and the results were genuine and everything was pure as the driven snow, because he had the motivation and the knowhow to make it *look* like garbage. That is, if they had nothing to fear, why not hand over the empty gun? Because Markovsky had his own bullets and powder, of course. Did you read what I said about Markovsky having complained--in a scholarly journal, yet, as well as endlessly on alt.m.t--that the TM researchers were unethical because they didn't obtain informed consent from the populations they were trying to affect? Does that say objective and unbiased to you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you chant all 1008 names from memory *lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the book* yet! Nor is memorizing them partiularly high on my to-do list. I chant about 20-30 a night before going to sleep. snip OK, the math is off here somewhere -- I am up around the 933d name, so either I chant more than 30/night or I have been practicing for more than a week. Some of both I suspect :-) I am interested- as long as I don't get all spaced out when I do it, I'll give it a shot. What is the title of the book please? There is a good bookstore nearby where I will look for it. Thank you. Sri Lalithambika Sahasranama Stotram -- best to get one with transliterations (for easy pronunication) and engish translations :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. ... I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, excellent diet, thats all you need I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot of high protein and protein adequate (a zone phrase) food combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent food composition source). One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to meat. After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in chickens etc. And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut way down on fruit. I think the problem with a ru diet is not the lack of protein but the high level of carbs which do lots of damage to your system over time. People switch to meat thinking their problem is low protein when its really high carbs. You need about 50-60 grams of protein /day if you lead a normal life - athletes in training need 100 or so. And need varies by sex, size etc. Actually protein need is not a settled area. The UN I think sets levels at 30-40. The tests for protein deficiency are bsed on testing nitrogen levels -- and some studies have shown a total rice diet did not bring subjects into protein deficiency. Lots of people eat more protein than they need, which is just then used as calories. Eating adequate protein is a good target. If you have acess to good firm fresh tofu, i find it a good source. Some tofu in supermarkets is horrible stuff. But most healthfood stores carry reasonable to good stuff. I bake mine at low heat -- 200 or so, until it turns a light golden brown. It becomes delicious this way -- IMO, can then be easily slice -- very thin if you want, add to stir fry, etc, and keeps a very long time. Good firm tofu provides about 5 grams of protein / oz. (Look at pacakge, it varies by producer and desnity). So 8 oz of tofu divided between meals (2-3 oz / meal) plus a couple of cups for milk (9g prot/cup) gives you 58 grams / day. And if you eat healthy servings of vegetables (not beans or squashes, but greens, broccoli, asparagus, carrots, celery, etc) you can pick up an extra 10 grams of p. / day -- plus all the other benefits of fresh vegetables. So even 6 oz of tofu, one cup of milk, and lots of fresh veggies will give you 50 grams of good quality protein. No need for meat if you have ethical, ecological or other misgivings about it. I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to my diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit of low fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee and tea mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while (20-30 g). A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy for me. And lots of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an occasional treat. The protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the zone, but is not as drastic as atkins. And protion size is critical. I generally eaten good foods - but too much of anything is bad. Try eating half the portion size as normal for a week and see if you feel ok. And fasting once a week -- i did that regualry on thursday in my TMO days, i have found to be a great habit. And extending the fast the second (even thrid day) if I feel good. hope this helps. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] From an ex-member of the Kalki cult
(This was from a private letter that was posted on a website, with personal details omitted): I have been associated with the cult of Sri Kalki Bhagavan (and his wife Padmavathi Amma), who positions himself as the Vishnu Avatar, and a God - although in recent years he has made his claims a little indirect, perhaps due to media criticism, and fear of ridicule. I have served this cult for 2 year, attended their Deekshas, and done a lot of promotion for them. I would like to bring to your notice that this cult is pressurizing its INDIAN devotees to donate large sums of wealth, if they want to remain in the good books of the disciples (dasas) who run the show, and progress further. We have even been asked to take loans (the last case was Rs 100,000 which is a large amount), and donate, if we don't have the money. We have been told that we can repay the loans over a few years! From the day we join we are pressurized to bring in new people and send them for the initial 3-day deeksha (costing Rs 5000). This is because to qualify for the higher level we must send 60 (now 30) people for the program. First we are told that the 3-day program will enlighten us (for only Rs 5000!), then we are told - sorry the higher process will enlighten you. So we have no option but to talk others (family, friends etc) into joining and going for the 3-day program. Once we have sent so many people, and we find no change in us, it is very difficult to step out. I have still not told my family that I have left, for loss of face. In order to convince 60 people to go, we have to exaggerate and make tall claims. We have to create a miracle out of each little incident that happened to us (such as getting a green light on the way to work) etc. We have to keep talking of unending grace, and say things like our whole life has changed. We are all basically sincere people, but we start telling lies without realizing it, and a time comes when we are stuck. New people are lured in by promises of unending grace, and then after we tell them lots of stories (most of them are just heard from others, no one has any evidence of them actually happening.), then the disciples ask them to make donations, or go for paid darshans in order to get that unending grace. These darshans are expensive and the latest one is that we can touch Amma's feet for Rs 100,000. Prior to going for the higher process we were all told that in order for the higher process to be a great success we should make this donation. Many of us are very ordinary people, some have left our jobs to pursue a spiritual goal, so the amount is no small order. Even the higher process(two weeks) has made no difference to anyone. Although it does seem to us, that the program for foreigners (21 days, USD 5500) has resulted in some enlightened people (such as Freddie Nielsen and Kiara Windrider - we have heard they are enlightened), however in India there is not even an attempt at spiritual growth of devotees. It is only talk of great celestial miracles, and enlightenment is always round the next corner, after the next darshan (donation). Because of all the stories we perpetuate, the number of devotees has really gone up dramatically, each wondering when his turn for endless grace will come. They claim over 30 million devotees, although I don't know how this figure has been computed. Sarlo, I write this to you primarily because I am concerned that large numbers of poor and low-income people in India are being fleeced by this cult, each hoping that his string of problems will magically vanish after a darshan or deeksha. When nothing happens their suffering increases. We actually convince ourselves that we are happier than even before for a while after the deeksha. In that short period we are pushed to recruit more people and share our great experiences with others. The experiences we narrate are always the tales we were told by the disciples about others who got great grace. Please keep my name under wraps. It is not safe for me, since I have been working very actively promoting this cult, and they know that I can negatively affect them through the internet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Personality issues should not enter into it and MIU should have honored a request from an adjacent and major university. It would have been a little like handing him a gun so he could shoot them. Judy, this strikes me as a really odd thing to say. Well, actually I think you have a really odd way of interpreting it. Self-serving, even. Self-serving? This strikes me as ad hominem, the type of argument you so famously abhor. What I am trying to point out here is that for some reason you appear to be arguing in favor of with-holding information, which immediately invalidates any scientific research, which by nature is only accepted if it is open to public scrutiny. Only a loaded gun can shoot someone, and only one kind of ammunition could have hurt MIU: evidence that their conclusions were not vald. Or *apparent* evidence. It's really pretty amusing that you're so sure the TM researchers massaged the data to show results that didn't exist, yet you can't conceive of a hostile researcher massaging data that shows real results so it ends up looking as if there are none. Now you are resorting to the straw man, and Big Time, if I may say so. Regarding my certainty that massaging took place: I lived on campus for the better part of 20 years, 7 as a student. I was in constant contact with people who were involved with TM research, including graduate students who worked on many of the published studies, including the one in question. First, as a general point, I would like to say unequivocally that I was told on several occasions by graduate students in the sciences that such massaging did occur, often because Maharishi felt the results from studies were lack lustre and needed to be beefed up. I also remember a discussion with a grad student from the MASCI who told me that a student who said that research studies had not supported the claim for improved eyesight based on TM practice was told by faculty that M had said vision improved, so if the study contradicted M it must be wrong. With regard to the specific study in question, I have stated clearly on several occasions that it took considerable work after the fact to achieve the eventual claim of 25% reduction of crime, and that I know this from numerous discussions with someone who was working on it at the time. I have never said that I don't believe in the Maharishi Effect, nor have I said that nothing happened in the DC project. However, the movement has a long history of fudging studies, and this one appears to fall in that tradition. Now, as for your remark that I can't conceive of a hostile researcher massaging data that shows real results so it ends up looking as if there are none: I have made no statements anywhere near that ball park. To this point, I have not even mentioned Markovsky. So while we're on the subject, let me remove all doubt about it. Markovsky does seem biased in some respects, and may even exhibiit some form of David/Goliath complex, but that doesn't mean that none of his criticisms are valid. They must be examined on the basis of their merit, and that cannot be done unless all the evidence is available. I don't know whether the TM researchers fudged the data when they massaged it. I do know that they had very good reason not to give the data to Markovsky even if the massaging was legitimate and the results were genuine and everything was pure as the driven snow, because he had the motivation and the knowhow to make it *look* like garbage. It is not uncommon in the public discourse of science for competitors to try to descredit each other. The whole concept of science as a public discipline is that the process will ultimately support truth. But not if the data are hidden. That is, if they had nothing to fear, why not hand over the empty gun? Because Markovsky had his own bullets and powder, of course. As I said before, the only information that can hurt a researcher is false information. If MIU's data were good, they had nothing to fear, in the long run, from disclosing. This is so fundamental I am surprised that it seems to need discussion. Did you read what I said about Markovsky having complained--in a scholarly journal, yet, as well as endlessly on alt.m.t--that the TM researchers were unethical because they didn't obtain informed consent from the populations they were trying to affect? Does that say objective and unbiased to you? I have never, ever, said that Markovsky was objective and unbiased, and I defy you to demonstrate otherwise. As
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all I've learned that succinctly. I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a month and see how it all goes. Again, thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. ... I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, excellent diet, thats all you need I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot of high protein and protein adequate (a zone phrase) food combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent food composition source). One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to meat. After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in chickens etc. And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut way down on fruit. I think the problem with a ru diet is not the lack of protein but the high level of carbs which do lots of damage to your system over time. People switch to meat thinking their problem is low protein when its really high carbs. You need about 50-60 grams of protein /day if you lead a normal life - athletes in training need 100 or so. And need varies by sex, size etc. Actually protein need is not a settled area. The UN I think sets levels at 30-40. The tests for protein deficiency are bsed on testing nitrogen levels -- and some studies have shown a total rice diet did not bring subjects into protein deficiency. Lots of people eat more protein than they need, which is just then used as calories. Eating adequate protein is a good target. If you have acess to good firm fresh tofu, i find it a good source. Some tofu in supermarkets is horrible stuff. But most healthfood stores carry reasonable to good stuff. I bake mine at low heat -- 200 or so, until it turns a light golden brown. It becomes delicious this way -- IMO, can then be easily slice -- very thin if you want, add to stir fry, etc, and keeps a very long time. Good firm tofu provides about 5 grams of protein / oz. (Look at pacakge, it varies by producer and desnity). So 8 oz of tofu divided between meals (2-3 oz / meal) plus a couple of cups for milk (9g prot/cup) gives you 58 grams / day. And if you eat healthy servings of vegetables (not beans or squashes, but greens, broccoli, asparagus, carrots, celery, etc) you can pick up an extra 10 grams of p. / day -- plus all the other benefits of fresh vegetables. So even 6 oz of tofu, one cup of milk, and lots of fresh veggies will give you 50 grams of good quality protein. No need for meat if you have ethical, ecological or other misgivings about it. I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to my diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit of low fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee and tea mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while (20-30 g). A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy for me. And lots of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an occasional treat. The protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the zone, but is not as drastic as atkins. And protion size is critical. I generally eaten good foods - but too much of anything is bad. Try eating half the portion size as normal for a week and see if you feel ok. And fasting once a week -- i did that regualry on thursday in my TMO days, i have found to be a great habit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born? Advances in prenatal genetic testing pose tough questions http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/ Who needs Bill Gates? No, I don't mean who needs a gazillionaire corporate titan, a man whose company, Microsoft, took in billions of dollars last year by controlling nearly all the software used to run nearly every computer on the planet. No, I mean, literally, who needs him? If you could go back in time and stop the birth of the world's most famous nerd, would you? You probably answered my question with a no. Whatever Gates' sins may be, he is the father of a computer revolution... He might have earned that moniker if it hadn't been for Charles Babbage 150 years ago, or Alan Turing or Clive Sinclair who created the concept of home computer. History will see Gates as someone who used the chance for bare faced profit, making £75,000,000,000 selling faulty goods. No car manufacturer could get away with it. And we put up with it. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?
Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just not true. Following are the 8 necessary amino acids for humans, and their percentages in composition compared to milk. The only one really out of whack is methionine at 55%. But by eating some foods richer in methionine can help balance this out. Brazil nuts are way high -- 250 % higher than milk. And seseme seeds, avacados, eggs, brussel sprouts all exceed the methionine compostion of milk (relative to other amino acids.) Even with balancing, a veg diet might end up at 80% or so methionine of the compositition of milk. But there are no studies that milk has the deal balance of methionine relative to other amino acids. Its probably a good mix for calves, but not necessarily needed by adult humans. I can't find any studies on it. Regardless, by increasing protein intake by 20% over your target (which is pretty nebulous figure to start with, anywhere from 30-80 grams) one would achieve the same amount of methionine as in a dairy diet. Meat has about 15% more methionine per gram of protien than milk, so a 25-30 % or so greater load of veggie protien compared to a meat diet would give a similar level of methionine (its not all meat it would not have to be 30-40% which would be needed for equal methionine levels for a pure meat diet). So still, 8 oz firm tofu, 2 glasses of milk, a brazil nut, a slice of avocado, an oz of cheese and lots of veggies gives you 65-75 grams of protein -- 25-30%% over a target of 50 grams. Thus such a diet would be eqivalent in methionine levels (and higher in other essential amino acids) compared to a meat diet. Tryptophan__119.70% Threonine__ 98.30% Isoleucine__89.10% Leucine_84.30% Lysine__90.20% Methionine__55.00% Phenylalanine___109.20% Valine__81.90% --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey thanks (and to everyone who responded). That is a well-thought out response based on your first-hand experience. I have been reading about diet for years and would not have been able to synthesize all I've learned that succinctly. I'm going to give buffalo meat, very low in fat and low in saturated fat, wild alaskan salmon and free range chicken, twice per day, for a month and see how it all goes. Again, thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After many years of following a primarily vegetarian diet I have blimped out with no end in sight. It's clear that the grains, startchy veggies, beans will keep packing the pounds on my already not small frame. So, after much research I am now adding some form of meat to my diet twice daily, 3-4 ounces each time. ... I'd really be interested in hearing from others who gave up their vegetarian diet and added meat back in their diet. I went through the same thing some years ago -- figuring out that rice and beans and veggies were not an ideal diet -- though the doctor, Rothenberg?, at the LA av place told me, excellent diet, thats all you need I read a lot, got into the theory behind zone and atkins, tried a lot of high protein and protein adequate (a zone phrase) food combinations. And researched food compostions pretty deeply --created a large spreadsheet dumping data from dept ag data base (excellent food composition source). One thing I was able to confirm is that you can get all the protein, of the right type, from a veg diet. There are 8 amino acids that your body can't produce, and things like tofu and milk -- combined with healthy servings of vegetables ( vegs have protein too, just fairly diluted relative to their mass) gives an amino acid mix similar to meat. After 30 years or so, I played with eating eggs, chicken, fish, but no red meat. One issue with fish is the surprisingly high mercury levels, so I abandoned eating that regularly. Though all animal products have their curse (perhaps literally) -- hormones in chickens etc. And I cut way down on carbs -- I gave up, for the most part, grains and beans. And things like honey (I have not used sugar since my teens -- except in specialty things once in a while). And I cut way down on fruit. I think the problem with a ru diet is not the lack of protein but the high level of carbs which do lots of damage to your system over time. People switch to meat thinking their problem is low protein when its really high carbs. You need about 50-60 grams of protein /day if you lead a normal life - athletes in training need 100 or so. And need varies by sex, size etc. Actually protein need is not a settled area. The UN I think sets levels at 30-40. The tests for protein deficiency are bsed on testing nitrogen levels -- and some studies have shown a total rice
