date:20060901

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  One (1) Pundit has arrived!
 
  By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to
  and live in America and is in FF now.  Just arrived and taking up
  residence in FF.
 
  No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this.  The
  pundit is chanting and performing peace  coherence-making rites now
 at
  the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street.  A culmination of
  some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring
  pundits here.
 
  With Best Regards,
  -Doug in FF
 
 
 Unbelievable, and only  $449,000,000 :)  too.
 
 JohnY


Yep, that staggering achievement of bringing over one pundit, supported by a 
private 
group of people.

And who is his cook?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru

2006-09-01 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought
  there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might
  not be the case after all. Beats me!
 
 
 The apostrphe-d is the verb. Stands for would or had in informal 
English.


Yeah, but I gather both in I had rather and I would rather
it's only an auxiliary verb. Of course had could also be
the main verb. But it seems to me the main verb is missing
in both cases. If had acted as a main verb, those idioms (with had
and would) wouldn't IMO be...hmm... analogous(?).





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[FairfieldLife] 'USA Vs. Iran'- 'The Drunks Vs. The Stoners'

Tehran http://www.webehigh.com/city/detail.php?CITYID=TehranUpdated: 6/3/2005 Smoking tolerance level [1= very illegal 5=virtually legal]: 4.5 Legislation: Iran has a very interesting policy towards buds - planting marijuana is legal if planted for food purposes because in Iran ranians still eat the seeds just like sunflower seeds, and there are also companies in tehran that draw the oil from the seed and sell it legally. The punishment for possesion of marijuana is a fine of Iranian Rials 1 (US $1.25)for every gram in your possesion and as long as you have less than 10-15 grams they will not
even hassle you. Please always use common sense and caution and remember a smile is better than a frown. Law Enforcement: Smoking it though is technically illegal but enforcement is next to nothing. You can walk anywhere in Iran and puff away and no one will have any idea that you are smoking weed. Most people here smoke hash or opium so smoking weed is considered as OK. Where to buy Marijuana in Iran: You can find Hash at any park in any Iranian city and just walk up to the young bored looking types hanging out. Always bargain!!! Marijuana prices and Brands in Iran : Marijuana Prices 1. Indica Variety High Potency 2-3 Dollars per gram 2. Sativa Variety High Potency 3
Dollars per gram 3. Indica Variey Low Potency 1-2 Dollars per gram In Iran people smoke more Hash than Marijuana but that trend seems to be changing as better weed enters the market. Hash Prices 1. Afghani 2 Dollars per gram 2. Pakistani 2 Dollars per gram Country: Iran Time Zone: UTC/GMT +3:30 hours Dialing codes: + 98 (Iran) Area code: 21
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru

2006-09-01 Thread Paul Mason

Thanks Hanuman for your response. I'm glad to hear you have been 
reading 'Kathy's Story'.
Jai Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, 
and 
  have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject. 
  However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to 
his 'Guru-
  jie' so I responded by doing a little Hindi translation work.
  So, you can thank Frank.
 
 Thanks Frank.
 I know Frank from past TM years, and if that helps you, can assure
 you, that he won't harm you, or send you a letter bomb. He easily 
gets
 heated, always was so. He has done fist fights when provoked, so it
 may not be a good idea to stand in front of his house and ring the
 bell, and say 'Fuck Maha..'. ;-)
 I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more
 outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am
 still very much alive ;-)
 
 And he is not as closed minded as you would think. For example he 
also
 visited Mother Meera here, something real TB TMers wouldn't do. And 
he
 is a really, really good cook.
 So thank you also Paul. I just read your story of Kathy 2005 on your
 web, really amazing. So thanks Paul for all the interesting stuff. 
But
 I now also understand why MMY doesn't want to publish all of it. He
 simply doesn't agree with some of it.
 
 People seem to think that aligning ones thinking with the master, 
like
 in classical Guru/disciple devotion means that he should copy him, 
and
 do exactly the same things he did. I disagree. Simply copying a 
person
 in his outward acts or opinions is not a great achievement.
 Understanding his actions and desires was for MMY a *means* to 
achieve
 an inner alignment, which served as a channel for the transmission 
of
 the inner *essence*. Once this is achieved, there is no need to copy
 the master, rather everyone must live his own enlightenment. It is 
my
 understanding, that MMY had visions of GD while moving in the south,
 around 1955, and consequently similar hints at Kanyakumari and
 Guruvayur, which gave rise to him teaching. While in actual physical
 body GD never asked MMY to teach, or even would have disallowed him 
to
 be a Guru (he obviously allowed him to lecture in his presence, as
 seen on films), he may have done so in visions. You may believe in 
it
 or not, but for MMY that must have been the reason and indication to
 start teaching. 
 
 All this 'happened'. MMY for some reason had this disposition, and 
we,
 as followers fell for it, and it subsequently changed our lives, 
more
 or less. For my part I am glad he did. History is full of great 
people
 who broke rules. Does it mean they parted from the tradition at a
 whole? Did Luther part from Christianity when he broke the rules of
 Catholicism? I know that all traditions change all the time. Even 
the
 current Shankaracharya of Kanchi is accused to break the rules of 
his
 former Shankaracharya, who like GD was a great saint, but also very 
rigid.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

2006-09-01 Thread Paul Mason

I have refined the translation a little, and will continue to do so 
as inspiration arises. Hopefully, other translations will emerge soon 
which will be help get the meanings clearer:-
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Premanand Paul,
 
 Thank you for another enormous contribution.  Your site on Guru Dev 
is
  tremendous.  And this teaching of his (below) hits the spot.
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have 
  ammended the translation to reflect this view:
  http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  
   Paul Mason wrote:
   
   Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a 
few 
   words about when and how to meditate.
   Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006
   
   At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, 
but 
  at 
   night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of 
  japa 
   of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa 
  muurti' 
   (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout 
   meditation) quick advancement occurs.
   
   In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the 
  mantra, 
   and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of 
the 
   ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look 
on 
  the 
   foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of 
  compassion 
   of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The 
  vision 
   of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not 
  envisage 
   the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen 
the 
   vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the 
ishhTa 
  in 
   the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. 
From 
   this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the 
mind 
   gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end 
will 
  stay 
   in this condition. On the strength of this you should go 
across 
  the 
   ocean of samsaara.
   ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108]
   
   More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm
   
   It's important to remember that India being close to the 
equator 
  does 
   not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight 
Saving 
  Time 
   that more northerly countries have.  Hence many gurus will 
modify 
  the 
   meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room.
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
 wrote:
 
  From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that 
  you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some 
  jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know.
  Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, 
  for all to see.
  I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much 
  animosity toward him.
  Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him?
 
 Yes, you are wrong about the way I feel towards
 Maharishi, and you're starting to sound like an 
 insane cult fanatic to boot. :-)
 
 I think you should go back and re-read the two
 posts you are commenting on above. In them I 
 said absolutely NOTHING negative about Maharishi.
 Not one word, not one line. 
 
 All that I did say was that I don't believe he 
 is enlightened, and then I explained why. 
 
 Somehow, in your mind, reading between the lines,
 that became hatred, jealousy, envy, an attempt 
 to diss him, and/or an attempt to crucify him. 
 
 Do you even REALIZE this?
 
 I didn't bother to reply to this cult crap last
 night, but I will this morning because I really
 think that you should become a little more aware 
 of how your *own* mind works. All that happened 
 in this series of posts was that someone (me) 
 said that he didn't believe that Maharishi is 
 enlightened, and then explained why.
 
 YOU turned that into hatred, jealousy, envy, 
 and an attempt to crucify Maharishi. Clearly,
 you seem to believe that all of these descriptions
 apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi
 is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit
 drastic and...uh...cult-like?
 
 I'm beginning to understand how you can justify
 nuking the people of Iran. You must be reading
 between the lines with regard to them, too.  :-)

Hi again,
I wasn't trying to justify the bombing of Iran with Nukes; I was just 
pointing out, that as I was feeling it; my intuition was telling me, 
that the two regimes, ours and theirs seem to be on a collision 
course, to this end, and I wanted people to consider the 
ramifications of that. 
 And I wanted to emphasize what Maharishi had said concerning the 
state of danger at hand.
Now lately, you are hearing discussed, in the main stream press, and 
the Bush administration, exactly what I was predicting, would be the 
same mentality. So, I was trying to play that scenerio out beforehand 
so people could see it was coming...
Now my main point with Maharishi, which you seemed to have side-
stepped, in your editing of my words;
Has to do with the love I feel for him; and as you know sometimes 
love is irrational by it's mysterious nature.
As I said before, I immediately felt a heart opening when I am(was) 
in his presence that doesn't dissolve,  
It is real to me, as anyone else, whom I've truely loved.
Love is unconditional if it is to be called love.
And if I feel that you do not share that love for him, but rather 
seem to be quite resentful towards him; I was just questioning your 
passionate statements and what was your true agenda concerning 
Maharishi, or his teaching or his movement.
  
Did he personally hurt you in some way?
Did he take you off your path, (you say, that you followed his advice 
to follow your path, towards more and more, right).
For me, I have done the same thing.
 ~~~ through the years; 
Studied Kriya Kundalini Pranayama, a technique of Babaji; I have 
studied Eckart Tolle's material; Tibetan form of  Tai Chi w/Mudras, I 
dance,   I listen to 'Holosync CD's (found this to intensify TM and 
Siddhis); I've worked with a councilor who works with soul energy and 
opening chakras;  Gangaji's stuff; 
Plan  to get to India soon, as I would like to study more in depth, 
and just experience where this knowledge is most lively.

So, the love and connection, which I feel toward Maharishi, 
transcends the movement, or anything anyone can say about him.
Some of us had a reading with a fellow named Ron Scolastico(past life 
reading guy)-- 'back in the day', and the question was asked, 

Why people were so emotionally attached to Maharishi;
And the answer was:

The answer was, that some  of us, had been with Maharishi,
In a past life, where he was martyred.
And we all felt this sort of undying love for him, from that 
experience. so...
That's about all I can think of to write now;
Let me know if you need anything else clarified.
R.G.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?

Nothing you said changes my opinion of where you're 
at. Clearly, you seem to believe (because you've said 
it again it in this post) that if someone (me) doesn't 
feel the same unconditional love for Maharishi that 
you do, that means that they are resentful and have 
some sort of secret agenda. I'm sorry, but that's 
insanity, not bhakti.

I have *never* suggested that you shouldn't feel
about him the way you do. Kindly give me the same 
respect. I consider Maharishi Just Another Guy, not 
special in any way. He's just a guy like any other 
who has done a number of positive things in his life 
and an equal number of negative ones. I cut him no 
more slack than I would any other human being, and 
I hold him to no higher standard than I would any
other human being. 

And, like any other human being, I reserve the 
right to praise the positive things he's done and
criticize the negative things he's done. That doesn't
mean that I have some agenda against him, only that 
I consider him Just Another Guy, no more important or 
special than you or me or anyone else on this planet. 
If the fact that I believe this makes you uptight, 
that's *your* problem, not mine.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
  wrote:
  
   From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that 
   you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some 
   jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know.
   Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, 
   for all to see.
   I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much 
   animosity toward him.
   Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him?
  
  Yes, you are wrong about the way I feel towards
  Maharishi, and you're starting to sound like an 
  insane cult fanatic to boot. :-)
  
  I think you should go back and re-read the two
  posts you are commenting on above. In them I 
  said absolutely NOTHING negative about Maharishi.
  Not one word, not one line. 
  
  All that I did say was that I don't believe he 
  is enlightened, and then I explained why. 
  
  Somehow, in your mind, reading between the lines,
  that became hatred, jealousy, envy, an attempt 
  to diss him, and/or an attempt to crucify him. 
  
  Do you even REALIZE this?
  
  I didn't bother to reply to this cult crap last
  night, but I will this morning because I really
  think that you should become a little more aware 
  of how your *own* mind works. All that happened 
  in this series of posts was that someone (me) 
  said that he didn't believe that Maharishi is 
  enlightened, and then explained why.
  
  YOU turned that into hatred, jealousy, envy, 
  and an attempt to crucify Maharishi. Clearly,
  you seem to believe that all of these descriptions
  apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi
  is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit
  drastic and...uh...cult-like?
  
  I'm beginning to understand how you can justify
  nuking the people of Iran. You must be reading
  between the lines with regard to them, too.  :-)
 
 Hi again,
 I wasn't trying to justify the bombing of Iran with Nukes; I was just 
 pointing out, that as I was feeling it; my intuition was telling me, 
 that the two regimes, ours and theirs seem to be on a collision 
 course, to this end, and I wanted people to consider the 
 ramifications of that. 
  And I wanted to emphasize what Maharishi had said concerning the 
 state of danger at hand.
 Now lately, you are hearing discussed, in the main stream press, and 
 the Bush administration, exactly what I was predicting, would be the 
 same mentality. So, I was trying to play that scenerio out beforehand 
 so people could see it was coming...
 Now my main point with Maharishi, which you seemed to have side-
 stepped, in your editing of my words;
 Has to do with the love I feel for him; and as you know sometimes 
 love is irrational by it's mysterious nature.
 As I said before, I immediately felt a heart opening when I am(was) 
 in his presence that doesn't dissolve,  
 It is real to me, as anyone else, whom I've truely loved.
 Love is unconditional if it is to be called love.
 And if I feel that you do not share that love for him, but rather 
 seem to be quite resentful towards him; I was just questioning your 
 passionate statements and what was your true agenda concerning 
 Maharishi, or his teaching or his movement.
   
 Did he personally hurt you in some way?
 Did he take you off your path, (you say, that you followed his advice 
 to follow your path, towards more and more, right).
 For me, I have done the same thing.
  ~~~ through the years; 
 Studied Kriya Kundalini Pranayama, a technique of Babaji; I have 
 studied Eckart Tolle's material; Tibetan form of  Tai Chi w/Mudras, I 
 dance,   I listen to 'Holosync CD's (found this to intensify TM and 
 Siddhis); I've worked with a councilor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nothing you said changes my opinion of where you're 
 at. Clearly, you seem to believe (because you've said 
 it again it in this post) that if someone (me) doesn't 
 feel the same unconditional love for Maharishi that 
 you do, that means that they are resentful and have 
 some sort of secret agenda. I'm sorry, but that's 
 insanity, not bhakti.

Of course, he *didn't* say that.

 I have *never* suggested that you shouldn't feel
 about him the way you do. Kindly give me the same 
 respect.

He never suggested you shouldn't feel about MMY
the way you do, either.  And his posts to you have
been *far* more respectful than yours to him.




 I consider Maharishi Just Another Guy, not 
 special in any way. He's just a guy like any other 
 who has done a number of positive things in his life 
 and an equal number of negative ones. I cut him no 
 more slack than I would any other human being, and 
 I hold him to no higher standard than I would any
 other human being. 
 
 And, like any other human being, I reserve the 
 right to praise the positive things he's done and
 criticize the negative things he's done. That doesn't
 mean that I have some agenda against him, only that 
 I consider him Just Another Guy, no more important or 
 special than you or me or anyone else on this planet. 
 If the fact that I believe this makes you uptight, 
 that's *your* problem, not mine.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
babajii_99@
   wrote:
   
From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that 
you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some 
jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know.
Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, 
for all to see.
I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much 
animosity toward him.
Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him?
   
   Yes, you are wrong about the way I feel towards
   Maharishi, and you're starting to sound like an 
   insane cult fanatic to boot. :-)
   
   I think you should go back and re-read the two
   posts you are commenting on above. In them I 
   said absolutely NOTHING negative about Maharishi.
   Not one word, not one line. 
   
   All that I did say was that I don't believe he 
   is enlightened, and then I explained why. 
   
   Somehow, in your mind, reading between the lines,
   that became hatred, jealousy, envy, an attempt 
   to diss him, and/or an attempt to crucify him. 
   
   Do you even REALIZE this?
   
   I didn't bother to reply to this cult crap last
   night, but I will this morning because I really
   think that you should become a little more aware 
   of how your *own* mind works. All that happened 
   in this series of posts was that someone (me) 
   said that he didn't believe that Maharishi is 
   enlightened, and then explained why.
   
   YOU turned that into hatred, jealousy, envy, 
   and an attempt to crucify Maharishi. Clearly,
   you seem to believe that all of these descriptions
   apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi
   is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit
   drastic and...uh...cult-like?
   
   I'm beginning to understand how you can justify
   nuking the people of Iran. You must be reading
   between the lines with regard to them, too.  :-)
  
  Hi again,
  I wasn't trying to justify the bombing of Iran with Nukes; I was 
just 
  pointing out, that as I was feeling it; my intuition was telling 
me, 
  that the two regimes, ours and theirs seem to be on a collision 
  course, to this end, and I wanted people to consider the 
  ramifications of that. 
   And I wanted to emphasize what Maharishi had said concerning the 
  state of danger at hand.
  Now lately, you are hearing discussed, in the main stream press, 
and 
  the Bush administration, exactly what I was predicting, would be 
the 
  same mentality. So, I was trying to play that scenerio out 
beforehand 
  so people could see it was coming...
  Now my main point with Maharishi, which you seemed to have side-
  stepped, in your editing of my words;
  Has to do with the love I feel for him; and as you know sometimes 
  love is irrational by it's mysterious nature.
  As I said before, I immediately felt a heart opening when I am
(was) 
  in his presence that doesn't dissolve,  
  It is real to me, as anyone else, whom I've truely loved.
  Love is unconditional if it is to be called love.
  And if I feel that you do not share that love for him, but rather 
  seem to be quite resentful towards him; I was just questioning 
your 
  passionate statements and what was your true agenda concerning 
  Maharishi, or his teaching or his movement.

  Did he personally hurt you in some way?
  Did he take you off your path, (you say, that you followed his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

 (snip)
 Most people just laugh when I say that and there is no further need 
for discussion. For 
 those who still appear confused, I elaborate. They say I have 
weapons of mass 
 destruction, and they can't let me in because I'm a threat to the 
course participants.
 
 I encourage my friends to reject these empty arguments about the 
harm that MIGHT be 
 done if the heretic is allowed inside the temple, and to accept the 
proposition that In the 
 vicinity of yoga, no enemy is found. 
 
 The blacklisting program through the years has had substantial, 
observable negative 
 effects on the community, not the least of which, one might argue, 
has been the pathetic 
 slide of Dome attendance to abysmal depths. 
 
 If the movement leadership is really committed to Superradiance. 
let them demonstrate 
 their commitment to an Ideal Society by bringing their acceptance 
policies all the way into 
 Sat Yuga.
 
 L B Shriver

I agree, L B...
To me it seems silly, that a group, which is supposed to be so...
Powerful, that it can purify this whole crazy United States of $$$;
That a few, like a few handful of 'untouchables' or 'lesser than 
thou' in the dome(s), will effect anything at all. (I use those 
terms, to emphasize that the elitist personality, which seems to need 
an underdog, in order to feel superior and loyal to the hierarchy); 

The irony is: 
The very Unity we are wanting to manifest...
Is destroyed-- Spitting-Apart-- As the I-Ch'ing would say...

Many times, but not always, there are these [younger souls], with 
different agendas to fulfill,  
They continue to baffle the older souls, who are by nature more 
accepting of diversity, and universality.
  A strong need for some people to feel superior than others.
 Wishing to exclude or 'Shun' others; 
Shunning is common in many religions based in fear.

Also:

You have to realize that many of the people involved in the TM 
movement are working out karma of a most recent past life, in some 
cases, not all, having been involved with the Third Reich. 
(Particularly the so-called, baby-boomer generation, which encompass 
most of Maharishi's students); 
 I feel that Maharishi took on some p-r-e-t-t-y heavy karma for 
volunteering to work with this group.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2





on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Great idea and great post. Ive often felt that one possible
 scenario after
 MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will
 become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably.
 
 Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund? 

I dont know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante or Mark Meredith.

Or has everything been
 funnled into pundits, rajas etc? 

Lots has been secretly siphoned off by International over the years, for undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning of the university. 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru

2006-09-01 Thread hermandan0

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 snip
Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that
MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and
thus that everything he says is not the absolute speaking 
absolutely (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they 
themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and
culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of
english and modern education and a strong campaign to
repatriate the wealth stolen by the west back to India
might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping
laws of nature in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might
just be Hinduism and not neutral science.
   
   Again, well put.  But one wants to be careful not to
   throw the baby out with the bathwater.  For example,
   is listening to Vedic chanting merely cultural, or do
   the sounds actually have an effect on consciousness?
   
   How do you know where to draw the line?  Sometimes it
   seems obvious, but other times it may not be quite so
   clear.  And different people, of course, draw the line
   in different places, so that line isn't absolute either.
  
  All sounds have an effect on consciousness--weed whackers, Bach, 
  Vedic chanting, (c)rap music (the c is silent). Go for what feels
  life-supporting for you. Likewise, if you like wearing saris, fine.
  But to pretend it's a law of nature that women should wear saris is,
  IMO, unnecessary.
 
 Yeah, well, that kind of misses my point, which was
 that *some* things that are apparently cultural may
 *also* be scientific in that their specific effects
 are universal.  (I wasn't including saris, by the way.)


Thanks for clarifying. I didn't address that because I didn't see that
the point was in contention (although universal is a pretty large in
scope). I didn't even think I was suggesting throwing anything out in
the first place, only saying that I don't believe Maharishi is totally
uninfluenced by culture, history, situation in time, and ideology, and
that some of what he does is based on that. I wasn't even saying
that's a bad thing, more that it is unavoidable. Just as Guru Dev was
influenced by his cultural milieu, so is Maharishi.


 
 And the issue with Vedic chanting, of course, would
 be whether it has a *positive* effect on consciousness.
 (I'm not talking about whether it's enjoyable or
 elevating to listen to aesthetically; I'd vastly
 rather listen to Bach for that.)
 
That could lead to some interesting discussion about precisely which
recitation--Vedic or or non-Vedic sanskrit, or Buddhist, Chinese,
Japanese, Australian aboriginal, North American native, African
etc.--has which effects for developing consciousness or making life
more in harmony with natural law etc. I have more questions than
answers in that regard. No doubt some of the more scholarly posters
here would have some interesting things to say.

If I have time perhaps I'll start a new thread on that topic.


  Drawing the lines is where thinking for ourselves comes in.
  Ultimately, we're responsible for ourselves.
 
 So long as we recognize the lines aren't universal.
 
 
 
  
  Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is what I'd call insisting
  that a country of 1 billion people throw out all English language
  education and western-style schooling educate everyone in their own
  tribal language and calling it Vedic.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?

  + (Snip) +
 I consider Maharishi Just Another Guy, not 
  special in any way. He's just a guy like any other 
  who has done a number of positive things in his life 
  and an equal number of negative ones. I cut him no 
  more slack than I would any other human being, and 
  I hold him to no higher standard than I would any
  other human being. 
  
  And, like any other human being, I reserve the 
  right to praise the positive things he's done and
  criticize the negative things he's done. That doesn't
  mean that I have some agenda against him, only that 
  I consider him Just Another Guy, no more important or 
  special than you or me or anyone else on this planet. 
  If the fact that I believe this makes you uptight, 
  that's *your* problem, not mine.
  

You have spoken your agenda here quite loud and clearly;
That Maharishi is just another guy.
You certainly have the right to feel, that he's just another guy.
As a matter of fact you could be more fond of the dog down the 
street, than you are towards Maharishi, that's ok in my book.
You have complete freedom to do as you wish anytime you wish, my dear.
Just try not to be so bitchy; it's unbecoming, someone of your 
stature, as I feel that you are not: Just another guy?
Just like the late great Princess Diana was not 'just another girl'
But, on the other hand, I know exactly what you mean, at that very 
detatched level:
Like that old saying goes: If you see the Buddha on the road, kill 
him.
R.G.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?

 (snip)
 
  YOU turned that into hatred, jealousy, envy, 
   and an attempt to crucify Maharishi. Clearly,
   you seem to believe that all of these descriptions
   apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi
   is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit
   drastic and...uh...cult-like?
   
   I'm beginning to understand how you can justify
   nuking the people of Iran. You must be reading
   between the lines with regard to them, too.  :-)

When I used the word 'crucify', I meant it in the context in which it 
is used in A Course in Miracles;
Where the word crucify signifies 'attack thoughts' or thoughts 
originated from the ego; much of 'A course in Miracles', addresses 
this issue.
But in reality, the crucifixion is a powerful symbol as we know;
As it is used in mostly all the churches of Christianity.
Everywhere you go, there you see, the crucifixion, statues of torture.
So, is Christianity a cult also, by your definition?
That we have to be tortured to get to Heaven?

And isn't it the same in the Islamic world; in the cult of Iran?
Can we see how these two cults could clash and destroy much of 
humanity? Like crucifying each other...
Much like the cult of the Third Reich did a half century ago.
Many millions died; hard to imagine, I used to think;
How could that have happened; how can people be so stupid...
How soon we repeat what we don't learn.
So, sure this Christian cult, and this Islamic cult;
Can decide to annihilate each other in the name of God.
I would tend to fear these larger cults, of religious nationalism, 
wouldn't you?
Because:
Nobody's is right, if everybody's wrong 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers







In a message dated 8/31/06 9:12:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com 
  wrote: About 950 in the mornings, 1,200+ in the evenings. 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:   Does anybody have 
  the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether  there 
is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this 
  year. Also Ernesto   and John haven't seemed to cause much, if 
  any, damage. In fact, they seem  to   be bringing 
  much needed rains to some areas.I am responsible for destroying the 
  wrath of Ernestothrough arcane tantic drum 
  rituals.

Picturing DrPete dressed in a bunch of grapes suit drumming with wild 
voodoo women aredancing around him.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers







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I've 
  heard it's not so much cooler water, but more upper level windshear which 
  keeps the storms from developing. That wind shearcondition went back to 
  normal a couple weeks ago, so more should beforming now. So few 
  hurricanes?? Compared to what, last year's 
records??

Compared to just about any year in the past few decades. What few 
that have formed fizzled out by or before they hit land and were capable of 
doing much damage. I can only recall two this year that have even made it to the 
Caribbean.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

2006-09-01 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Great idea and great post. I¹ve often felt that one possible
   scenario after
   MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail
and MUM will
   become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably.
   
   Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund?
  
 I don¹t know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante
or Mark
 Meredith.

Last I looked MUM's balance sheet listed net assets at about $30
million, that includes the value of the campus, so their endowment
fund can't be significant.  In terms of income/expenses, it's been a
break even operation for many years.


  Or has everything been
   funnled into pundits, rajas etc?
  
 Lot¹s has been secretly siphoned off by ³International² over the
years, for
 undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning
of the
 university.

I think pundits fundraising has all been completely separate from
MUM which is its own entity.  Pundits money has probably all gone to
india and offshore accounts.  Rajas are all rich and are contributors
of funds to the movement, not the other way around.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra

2006-09-01 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 8/30/06 1:57:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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 I heard  or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) that Nankishore 
 joined SSRS...any  truth to that?

If any of those two should join anyone it would be the other way around.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !

2006-09-01 Thread Alex Stanley

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[snip]
 
 Yep, that staggering achievement of bringing over one pundit,
 supported by a private group of people.
 
 And who is his cook?

This is the third time you've asked who his cook is. What's up with
that? Why the fascination with who's going to cook for the guy?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

2006-09-01 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  Paul Mason wrote:
  
  Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few 
  words about when and how to meditate.
  Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006
 
 Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have
 gotten in teaching people around the world to
 meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev?
 
 Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY
 had taught as he did, and these instructions from
 Guru Dev had been translated and made available
 through the TMO?  How many TMers would have 
 decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way,
 and what would have been the result?  Especially
 in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance?
 
 What was MMY going to say, No, no, don't do what
 Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct?
 
 You keep suggesting that there's something 
 sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual
 teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms
 I've encountered.
 
 MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted
 TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*,
 for that matter.  The context in which Guru Dev
 taught was just too different.
 
 I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully
 bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with
 all the sectarian Hinduism taken out.  What would
 you have thought of that?  What would have been
 left?  Would that have been true to Guru Dev's
 intent?
 
 If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM
 instead of staying back in India and teaching a
 few people exactly what Guru Dev taught, ishtas and
 all--or for teaching anything in the first place--
 fine.
 
 But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to
 make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to
 stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru
 Dev by not promoting his original teachings.  That
 just makes no sense at all.
 
 
Bingo ! 
That Paul Mason fellow has one major agenda; to make money 





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[FairfieldLife] Never thought I would see this.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Never thought I would see this.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 _End  of an Affair_ 
 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460_pf.html)

Nasty old librul media, eh?

It's not *quite* as cut-and-dried as the Post makes
it sound, however.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to
  make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to
  stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru
  Dev by not promoting his original teachings.  That
  just makes no sense at all.
  
 Bingo ! 
 That Paul Mason fellow has one major agenda; to make money

For the record, that isn't what I'm suggesting.
There are other motivations than money for trying
to take down MMY.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !

2006-09-01 Thread markmeredith2002

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 [snip]
  
  Yep, that staggering achievement of bringing over one pundit,
  supported by a private group of people.
  
  And who is his cook?
 
 This is the third time you've asked who his cook is. What's up with
 that? Why the fascination with who's going to cook for the guy?

I'm assuming he's asking because that's the reason the tmo gave for
the pundits not coming, their cooks couldn't get visas.

People do realize that this pundit has nothing to do with the tmo, right?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

2006-09-01 Thread markmeredith2002

Did a quick check into mum finances.  lastest data is from 04.  

income = $23.4 million, expensees = $23.3 million.  net assets = $29.5
million, endowment fund = $6.3 million.  $854,000 received in grants
that year.  hagelin was paid $113,000 as board member.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

2006-09-01 Thread Ingegerd

I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when 
he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in 
the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not 
doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of 
the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was 
not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that 
used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.
Ingegerd

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 There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the 
movement's policies and 
 practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from 
the group practice in 
 the Domes.
 
 It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have 
been allowed to 
 participate in the current course, some after many years of 
exclusion. This is a good 
 development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many 
individuals continue to 
 be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, 
but it is difficult to 
 know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning 
continues, as the machinery 
 of exclusion is mostly private.
 
 A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, 
who is among those  not 
 admitted to the current program. In the course of our 
conversation, I couldn't help but be 
 impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of 
hard feelings toward the 
 course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the 
arguments put forward in 
 support of his exclusion.
 
 In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater 
clarity than I have ever heard 
 them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, 
I must admit that my 
 own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps 
less convincing. 
 
 I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently 
advanced in support of 
 exclusions.
 
 The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned 
from other teachers or 
 organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the 
Domethey might be 
 disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts 
that alien techniques might have 
 undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect 
those sitting near the 
 practitioner.
 
 The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue 
of loyalty to the 
 master and the master's organization. It says that even if an 
individual practices ONLY 
 Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other 
techniques in private will 
 breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within 
the group, therefore 
 upsetting the progress of all those connected with it.
 
 Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, 
they both suffer from 
 serious problems of credibility. 
 
 First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic 
observation.
 
 Those who have been excluded on the basis of alien practices are 
generally those who 
 have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. 
Occasionally they were victims 
 of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire.
 
 However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing 
something weird in the 
 Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them 
fainted or began 
 vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly.
 
 Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling 
argument as to how one's 
 evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to 
one's private program. 
 More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a 
seasoned, 
 experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice 
produced undesirable 
 results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying.
 
 In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that 
the alien techniques are known 
 to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other 
than banning, of course). 
 However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase 
which I have often heard, 
 in that regard, is that  we just don't know what the effect would 
be.
 
 Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance?
 
 On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value 
of every single warm 
 body that can be included in the group program. It has 
been proven by dozens of 
 meticulous research projects around the world, and those of us 
who are in possession of 
 this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it.
 
 On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no 
research on the putative 
 negative effects of practicing alien techniques in private, and 
the fact that we have no 
 actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with 
respect to the Dome 
 experience, we are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra

2006-09-01 Thread Peter



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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  In a message dated 8/30/06 1:57:30 P.M. Central
 Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  I heard  or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?)
 that Nankishore 
  joined SSRS...any  truth to that?
 
 If any of those two should join anyone it would be
 the other way around.

Yes. Spoken out of direct experience with SSRS and
Nankishore. Can you tell us all about Agentinian
shellfish while you're at it?





 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread Ingegerd

The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did dare to 
write it. it is scaring.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill
   somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I 
hope).
   It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know 
the
   threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - 
when
   MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
over the
   TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you 
never
   know what will happen.
   Ingegerd
  
 The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A 
spiritual
 teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received 
one and
 changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma 
for stirring
 up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
threat, like
 children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
years says be
 regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not 
above
 killing someone or having them killed.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

2006-09-01 Thread nablus108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
 snip
   But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to
   make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to
   stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru
   Dev by not promoting his original teachings.  That
   just makes no sense at all.
   
  Bingo ! 
  That Paul Mason fellow has one major agenda; to make money
 
 For the record, that isn't what I'm suggesting.
 There are other motivations than money for trying
 to take down MMY.

Ofcourse. 






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[FairfieldLife] 'If Bush Was Assasinated by Mark Almond- Oriel College, Oxford'

What if Bush really was assassinated?by MARK ALMOND Last updated at 13:30pm on 1st September 2006 )Bush is shot by a sniper in a scene from Death of a President. HeadlinesHeld up by a Secret Service bodyguard in his dying moments after being shot in the stomach, this is President Bush being assassinated. The
American leader is surrounded by a crowd of panicking onlookers just seconds after being gunned down by a Syrian-born U.S. citizen outside a Chicago hotel. But this shocking image, created by putting the President's face onto an actor with digital wizardry, is part of a new British drama for Channel Four about the War on Terror. In Death Of A President, which has caused outrage in America and will premiere at the Toronto Film Festival this month, the shooting is a starting point for a fictional documentary about what happened next. So what would happen if President Bush was assassinated? Here, a historian looks to the future and imagines the terrifying consequences. BEFORE that fateful day November 9, 2006 historians liked to say the world could never again lurch into global crisis because of one man's death, as it had in 1914 when Austria's Archduke Franz Ferdinand was murdered in Sarajevo, sparking World War I. The assassination of John
Kennedy at the height of the Cold War hadn't led to Armageddon in 1963, so why should things spiral out of control now if a president was murdered? That confident view was shattered as global communications networks froze from overload while transmitting round the world the picture of the 43rd President of the United States slumping forward after being fatally shot in the stomach. The murder of George W. Bush set off a global crisis with which we still live today, ten years after he was killed. Of course, in retrospect, we historians could see it all coming. In the summer of 2006, there had been the 'proxy war' between America and Iran fought out in Lebanon between their two regional allies, Israel and Hezbollah. That war ended badly for Israel and emboldened Iran to defy the United Nations and, more to the point, the United States over its nuclear ambitions. George W. Bush's hopes of bringing 'peace through democracy' to the Middle East after his
invasion of Iraq had already worn thin by autumn 2006. Anti-war demonstrations had become more numerous and security tightened everywhere. The crude dum-dum bullet fired into the President's stomach that November day caused fatal bleeding and the media were reporting the suspected assassin's details within minutes. Few people in America needed to know more than that the suspected killer of their President was Syrian-born. As the spotlight of blame focused on Syria, regarded by Americans as Iran's poodle, the Iranian Foreign Ministry didn't help its cause by issuing a perfunctory statement expressing regret that the President had 'died in a violent manner' and hoping that the American people would soon choose a new one who would be more peace-loving. It outraged Americans and George W's mother Barbara was overheard at the state funeral telling Cherie Blair: 'It was like what you say to the maid when her dog gets run over. Get a new one, dear, you'll get
over it.' The American public wasn't interested in the formal regrets from Damascus and Tehran. Television coverage showed scenes of jubilation on the streets of Syrian and Iranian cities. The new President, speaking from a 'secure location' soon nicknamed Bunker One, announced that 'those who celebrate death will learn to taste it soon enough'. Dick Cheney appeared unfazed by the day's gruesome events. While America closed ranks and mourned, across the Islamic world Bush's death was greeted with outpourings of joy. American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan got into firefights with local militias shooting in the air. Saddam's trial was suspended as the defendants hugged each other in the dock. But what hurt Americans most was the Europeans' lack of grief. Officially, Europe, from Brussels to Berlin and Paris, expressed sorrow and outrage, and President Chirac led the EU mourners in Washington. But there was nothing like the sadness which
greeted Kennedy's murder four decades earlier. Despite Britain's own experience of Islamic terrorism, the public response to the murder of the American president here was muted, at best and in some quarters, not all Muslim, it was joyful. The Independent newspaper published its obituary with a front-page collage under the headline 'Latest victim of war on terror'. A passport-style photograph of the late President was put in alphabetical order between a Marine sergeant, George Urban Bush, killed in Iraq the day before and an Air Force pilot, Ryan Caldwell, killed in a helicopter crash near Kabul on the same day the President was shot. The BBC played a montage of Bush's malapropisms from 'Don't mis-underestimate me' to 'The nostalgia for my administration will only begin after it's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?

2006-09-01 Thread Sal Sunshine

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
 wrote:

 From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that
 you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some
 jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know.
 Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him,
 for all to see.
 I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much
 animosity toward him.
 Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him?

You're losing it, Robert.

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
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 I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years 
 ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something 
 is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with 
 people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our 
 brain wave function. 

After decades of hearing this crap and having 
been trained to consider themselves more elite
than pretty much everyone in the world, is it 
any wonder that the TBs see enemies and 
anti-TMers with agendas all around them?
The whole *point* of training people to be 
elitists is so that they'll develop a them
vs. us mentality and be easier to control.

 Some of the TB's told us not to have 
 non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and 
 never meditate in the same room as others that used other 
 meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
 to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.

Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that 
Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE 
meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, 
because he wouldn't be practicing TM, 
would he? You might get cooties.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did 
 dare to write it. it is scaring.
 Ingegerd

You think it's scary now?  Just wait until Maharishi 
dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost
all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed 
on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
  
I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill
somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I 
 hope).
It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know 
 the
threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - 
 when
MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
 over the
TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you 
 never
know what will happen.
Ingegerd
   
  The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A 
 spiritual
  teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received 
 one and
  changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma 
 for stirring
  up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
 threat, like
  children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
 years says be
  regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not 
 above
  killing someone or having them killed.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
 marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years 
  ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something 
  is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with 
  people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our 
  brain wave function. 
 
 After decades of hearing this crap and having 
 been trained to consider themselves more elite
 than pretty much everyone in the world, is it 
 any wonder that the TBs see enemies and 
 anti-TMers with agendas all around them?
 The whole *point* of training people to be 
 elitists is so that they'll develop a them
 vs. us mentality and be easier to control.
 
  Some of the TB's told us not to have 
  non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and 
  never meditate in the same room as others that used other 
  meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
  to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.
 
 Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that 
 Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE 
 meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, 
 because he wouldn't be practicing TM, 
 would he? You might get cooties.  :-)

Guru Dev, Brahmananda Saraswati IS TM...every cell.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when 
 he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in 
 the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not 
 doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of 
 the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was 
 not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that 
 used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
 to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.
 Ingegerd



When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during 
meditation he 
felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice 
spoke to 
him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it 
continued: 
This is how I transcend.

At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged 
into the 
deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the 
experience to 
be negative.

L B S





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2





on 9/1/06 7:50 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Great idea and great post. Ive often felt that one possible
 scenario after
 MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will
 become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably.
 
 Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund? 
 
 I dont know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante or Mark 
 Meredith.
 
 Or has everything been
 funnled into pundits, rajas etc? 
 
 Lots has been secretly siphoned off by International over the years, for 
 undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning of the 
 university. 

Thats in addition to the percentage that MUM and MSAE officially tithe to International.


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  old librul media, eh?It's not *quite* as cut-and-dried as the Post 
  makesit sound, however.

Well, I may be wrong about The Washington Post,but they, the 
*librul media*,certainly had Rove and Cheneytried and convicted in 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
  marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
  
   I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years 
   ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something 
   is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with 
   people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our 
   brain wave function. 
  
  After decades of hearing this crap and having 
  been trained to consider themselves more elite
  than pretty much everyone in the world, is it 
  any wonder that the TBs see enemies and 
  anti-TMers with agendas all around them?
  The whole *point* of training people to be 
  elitists is so that they'll develop a them
  vs. us mentality and be easier to control.
  
   Some of the TB's told us not to have 
   non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and 
   never meditate in the same room as others that used other 
   meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
   to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.
  
  Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that 
  Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE 
  meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, 
  because he wouldn't be practicing TM, 
  would he? You might get cooties.  :-)
 
 Guru Dev, Brahmananda Saraswati IS TM...every cell.

But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As
anyone who has read his writings knows, he
would be practicing a *different* technique
of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements
was stating the official TM position accurately
(and he probably was because I've heard the
same thing from Maharishi), then you have to
assume that the official TM position would be
that it would be dangerous to meditate in the
same room with Guru Dev.

You can't have it both ways. Either techniques
other than TM have cooties and disturb our 
brain wave functioning, or they don't. And
*if* they do, which does seem to be the TM
dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his
fellow monks practiced would fall into that
category, and be dangerous to be around.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Paul posted a quote from Guru Dev that made
 it clear that Maharishi would never have been
 allowed to teach and have disciples within 
 the tradition that Guru Dev represented. You 
 can imagine how well that went down with a 
 fanatical TB. :-)

I read the quote from Brahmananda Saraswati, Guru Dev, and then the 
following comments. The world has changed a great deal since Guru 
Dev's time. What He said was said in the context of those around 
Him, and Indian culture. And it was perfect- for THAT time and place.

To somehow then say it applies now, or even that it applies by 
extension to Maharishi is faulty logic. 

All Guru Dev wants is the rapid increase of Sattva, through the 
transformation of Tamas, universally. Nothing more and nothing less. 
He strongly radiates It. There are NO boundaries to His knowledge.

PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
regards to His power and purity.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years 
  ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something 
  is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate 
  with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb 
  our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have 
  non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and 
  never meditate in the same room as others that used other 
  meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
  to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.
  Ingegerd
 
 
 
 When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me 
 that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next 
 to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice spoke to 
 him telepathically and said, What right do you have to 
 transcend? Then it continued: This is how I transcend.
 
 At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell 
 out and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had 
 ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the 
 experience to be negative.

Although this story sounds somewhat hyped up and
fictionalized, that *IS* what it's like to meditate
with someone who can go into samadhi for long periods
of time. The bottom really does fall out, in the
sense that as long as that person stays in thought-
less samadhi, *you* stay in thoughtless samadhi. 
Forget the maximum of several seconds stuff that
Sparaig talks about from the experiments; we're
talking twenty minutes to an hour easy, sometimes
longer.

When you think about it, this may be one reason that
the TMO doesn't want its people meditating with those
from other traditions who can transcend for long 
periods of time. As long as they don't know it's 
possible, they don't know what they're missing.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction





on 9/1/06 10:02 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during 
 meditation he 
 felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice 
 spoke to 
 him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it 
 continued: 
 This is how I transcend.
 
 At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged 
 into the 
 deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the 
 experience to 
 be negative.

I remember that story. Who was that?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
 specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
 Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
 regards to His power and purity.

PS to Jim. 

As much as I like you, I probably consider your 
own ideas of what is true and what is not a great
deal more valid than I would consider ideas that 
you think come straight from a guy who has been 
dead for over 50 years. :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 After decades of hearing this crap and having 
 been trained to consider themselves more elite
 than pretty much everyone in the world,

(Gee, I wonder how I missed that training.)

 is it 
 any wonder that the TBs see enemies and 
 anti-TMers with agendas all around them?

Yeah, how would anybody imagine that someone who
has hung out in TM-related groups for over a 
decade relentlessly criticizing all things TM-ish
could possibly have an agenda?

 The whole *point* of training people to be 
 elitists is so that they'll develop a them
 vs. us mentality and be easier to control.

But of course you'd never buy into that mentality
and think of the TBs them, would you, Barry?

(Terminology is interesting.  Pro-TMer isn't
considered disparaging by either those who support
TM or its  critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of
outrage from the latter.  And while anti-TMer is
considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't
bother them at all to label the pro-TMers
TBs/True Believers.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
 specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
 Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
 regards to His power and purity.

Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/1/06 10:02 AM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once 
   during
   meditation he 
   felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A
  voice 
   spoke to 
   him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then 
   it
   continued: 
   This is how I transcend.
   
   At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he
  plunged 
   into the 
   deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find 
   the
   experience to 
   be negative.
  
 I remember that story. Who was that?



Sorry, I remember the story clear-as-a-bell, but don't remember who told it.

L B S







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
 marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did 
  dare to write it. it is scaring.
  Ingegerd
 
 You think it's scary now?  Just wait until Maharishi 
 dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost
 all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed 
 on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse.

That is what I am afraid of.
Ingegerd
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
wrote:
  
   on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
   
 I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical 
kill
 somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma 
(I 
  hope).
 It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I 
know 
  the
 threats has been on the psychology level. But in the 
future - 
  when
 MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
  over the
 TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, 
you 
  never
 know what will happen.
 Ingegerd

   The first time Amma came to FF she received three death 
threats. A 
  spiritual
   teacher who was planning to come a few months before her 
received 
  one and
   changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva 
Ma 
  for stirring
   up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
  threat, like
   children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
  years says be
   regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and 
not 
  above
   killing someone or having them killed.
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 snip
  PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
  specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. 
Even 
  Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
  regards to His power and purity.
 
 Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!

Hi- did what I said sound pompous? Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing 
something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I was 
having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As
 anyone who has read his writings knows, he
 would be practicing a *different* technique
 of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements
 was stating the official TM position accurately
 (and he probably was because I've heard the
 same thing from Maharishi), then you have to
 assume that the official TM position would be
 that it would be dangerous to meditate in the
 same room with Guru Dev.
 
 You can't have it both ways. Either techniques
 other than TM have cooties and disturb our 
 brain wave functioning, or they don't. And
 *if* they do, which does seem to be the TM
 dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his
 fellow monks practiced would fall into that
 category, and be dangerous to be around.

Hi, I really have nothing to say either pro or against this thing 
about other techniques being practiced in the dome or in proximity 
to TMers. I was purely sharing what I know about Brahmananda 
Saraswati- nothing more.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


snip

 (Terminology is interesting.  Pro-TMer isn't
 considered disparaging by either those who support
 TM or its  critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of
 outrage from the latter.  And while anti-TMer is
 considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't
 bother them at all to label the pro-TMers
 TBs/True Believers.)




This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the True 
Believer or 
equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti-TM label 
when applied to 
yours truly.

The moral equivalency of labels is usually an uncomfortable topic for those who 
like to use 
them. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we might call 
the truth 
content of the labels is equivalent.

As I'm sure you are aware, it's much easier to be impartial about topics in 
which we are not 
personally involved. If, for example, we were having a discussion about a group 
of 
Christian fundamentalists that was experiencing fragmentation and schism over 
the years, 
we would probably be able to identify familiar roles being played out. 
Furthermore, we 
would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view among educated 
people 
that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be more 
narrow-minded 
and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view them more 
negatively 
than anyone else would.

True believership is a well-documented phenomenon, and is usually associated 
with some 
form of cognitive or development deficit.

Having said that, it is also only too true that those outside the core are 
often blind to their 
own prejudices and negative thinking. In effect, their thought processes are 
virtually 
indistinguishable from the TB's. 

What a beautiful universe.

L B S





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  But he wouldn't be *practicing* TM, Jim. As
  anyone who has read his writings knows, he
  would be practicing a *different* technique
  of meditation. Therefore, if Geoffrey Clements
  was stating the official TM position accurately
  (and he probably was because I've heard the
  same thing from Maharishi), then you have to
  assume that the official TM position would be
  that it would be dangerous to meditate in the
  same room with Guru Dev.
  
  You can't have it both ways. Either techniques
  other than TM have cooties and disturb our 
  brain wave functioning, or they don't. And
  *if* they do, which does seem to be the TM
  dogma, then the techniques Guru Dev and his
  fellow monks practiced would fall into that
  category, and be dangerous to be around.
 
 Hi, I really have nothing to say either pro or against this thing 
 about other techniques being practiced in the dome or in proximity 
 to TMers. I was purely sharing what I know about Brahmananda 
 Saraswati- nothing more.

In any case, Guru Dev in meditation would likely be
all samadhi, all the time, so the question of
techniques wouldn't even arise.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  snip
   PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
   specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency.
   Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda 
   Saraswati with regards to His power and purity.
  
  Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!
 
 Hi- did what I said sound pompous?

I'm not sure pompous is quite the word I'd use,
but it was a little startling, yes.  ;-)

 Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
 everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing 
 something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I
 was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
 specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me.

I figured.  Just twitting you a little.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
jflanegi@ 
   wrote:
   snip
PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati 
frequency.
Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda 
Saraswati with regards to His power and purity.
   
   Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!
  
  Hi- did what I said sound pompous?
 
 I'm not sure pompous is quite the word I'd use,
 but it was a little startling, yes.  ;-)
 
  Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
  everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me 
attributing 
  something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I
  was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
  specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't 
me.
 
 I figured.  Just twitting you a little.

That's fine- yeah I am absolutely clear who is who when I write 
stuff...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In any case, Guru Dev in meditation would likely be
 all samadhi, all the time, so the question of
 techniques wouldn't even arise.

Right- incomprehensibly beyond any techniques, beyond anything really.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Great idea and great post. I¹ve often felt that one possible
   scenario after
   MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail
and MUM will
   become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably.
   
   Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund?
  
 I don¹t know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante
or Mark
 Meredith.
  
  Or has everything been
   funnled into pundits, rajas etc?
  
 Lot¹s has been secretly siphoned off by ³International² over the
years, for
 undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning
of the
 university.

That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money
they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? 


JohnY







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 
 snip
 
  (Terminology is interesting.  Pro-TMer isn't
  considered disparaging by either those who support
  TM or its  critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of
  outrage from the latter.  And while anti-TMer is
  considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't
  bother them at all to label the pro-TMers
  TBs/True Believers.)
 
 
 
 
 This is an astute observation. For example, I occasionally use the 
True Believer or 
 equivalent lable, while at the same time I usually reject the anti-
TM label when applied to 
 yours truly.
 
 The moral equivalency of labels is usually an uncomfortable topic 
for those who like to use 
 them. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we 
might call the truth 
 content of the labels is equivalent.

Right, it's more a matter of what people intend
when applying the labels.  True Believer, as
used here, is almost always intended to demean
(not necessarily by you), and it tends to be
applied indiscriminately to anyone who expresses
disagreement with a TM critic.

Until one of the critical noisemakers here started
attacking me (and others) for using the term anti-TMer,
however, I had never considered it a derogatory term.
I had used the phrase rabid anti-TMer when I wanted
to indicate an extremist position, and I used it very
selectively.

Yet somehow the pro-TMers are expected to refer
politely to TM critics while humbly submitting
to being labeled True Believers.

 As I'm sure you are aware, it's much easier to be impartial about 
topics in which we are not 
 personally involved. If, for example, we were having a discussion 
about a group of 
 Christian fundamentalists that was experiencing fragmentation and 
schism over the years, 
 we would probably be able to identify familiar roles being played 
out. Furthermore, we 
 would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view 
among educated people 
 that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be 
more narrow-minded 
 and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view 
them more negatively 
 than anyone else would.

Certainly.

 True believership is a well-documented phenomenon, and is usually 
associated with some 
 form of cognitive or development deficit.

I suspect so, which is why it should be used
selectively.

 Having said that, it is also only too true that those outside the 
core are often blind to their 
 own prejudices and negative thinking. In effect, their thought 
processes are virtually 
 indistinguishable from the TB's.

Thank you.  I've been pointing this out here for
some time now, so I'm pleased to find you concur.

 What a beautiful universe.

Weird, but beautiful...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Did a quick check into mum finances.  lastest data is from 04.  
 
 income = $23.4 million, expensees = $23.3 million.  net assets = $29.5
 million, endowment fund = $6.3 million.  $854,000 received in grants
 that year.  hagelin was paid $113,000 as board member.


Pretty small endowment after all these years. Looks like Hagelin is
one of a very very few. 

Thanks, 

JohnY





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2





on 9/1/06 11:15 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money
 they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? 

Who can say for sure? But the Shrivastavas are rumored to be living pretty well.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

  (Terminology is interesting.  Pro-TMer isn't
  considered disparaging by either those who support
  TM or its  critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of
  outrage from the latter.  And while anti-TMer is
  considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't
  bother them at all to label the pro-TMers
  TBs/True Believers.)
 
 
 
 This is an astute observation. For example, I 
 occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent 
 lable, while at the same time I usually reject 
 the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly.

The thing is, True Believer is actually more
accurate than pro-TMer. True Believer implies
all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote
about in his books, while pro-TMer only implies 
someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself 
is beneficial. 

The term anti-TMer is incredibly inaccurate, 
and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most*
of the people here who have problems with some of 
the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* 
such problems with the basic TM technique itself.

The attempt to call someone who has problems with
some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of
the TMO an anti-TMer is DISHONEST. MOST of the
folks here who have been called anti-TMers by
one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with
TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want
people to *think* that they do.

Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a True
Believer. THAT is what I am referring to when I
term someone a TB or True Believer. I am *not*
suggesting merely that they are pro-TM and
that being a pro-TMEer is a bad thing. Hell, 
*I* am actually pro-TM in that I think that 
the basic TM technique has value. 

But at the same time I believe that many of the 
personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the 
True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to 
themselves and to others.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

2006-09-01 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
 marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years 
  ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something 
  is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with 
  people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb our 
  brain wave function. 
 
 After decades of hearing this crap and having 
 been trained to consider themselves more elite
 than pretty much everyone in the world, is it 
 any wonder that the TBs see enemies and 
 anti-TMers with agendas all around them?
 The whole *point* of training people to be 
 elitists is so that they'll develop a them
 vs. us mentality and be easier to control.
 
  Some of the TB's told us not to have 
  non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and 
  never meditate in the same room as others that used other 
  meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
  to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.
 
 Actually, if you buy into the bullshit that 
 Clements was selling, you wouldn't DARE 
 meditate in the same room as Guru Dev, 
 because he wouldn't be practicing TM, 
 would he? You might get cooties.  :-)




...and I've meditated with TMers who were unstressing SO much that 
it was uncomfortable to be in the same room with them while they 
were doing TM...

And when I fly and I meditate next to someone NOT doing TM -- they 
may be sleeping -- am I being negatively affected?

What about that wonderful silence one experiences in a church or a 
monastery and we take advantage of it by sitting down to meditate in 
that silence...obviously the vibes in those places are NOT a 
result of TMers...should we NOT do that?  Or, closer to home, going 
to a temple in India and experiencing the silence there...it wasn't 
created by TMers...should we avoid that experience?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2





on 9/1/06 11:27 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
 , markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Did a quick check into mum finances. lastest data is from 04. 
 
 income = $23.4 million, expensees = $23.3 million. net assets = $29.5
 million, endowment fund = $6.3 million. $854,000 received in grants
 that year. hagelin was paid $113,000 as board member.
 
 
 Pretty small endowment after all these years. Looks like Hagelin is
 one of a very very few. 

Maharishi had to pay him well to convince him to drop his business aspirations and be full time.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
  specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. 
Even 
  Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
  regards to His power and purity.
 
 PS to Jim. 
 
 As much as I like you, I probably consider your 
 own ideas of what is true and what is not a great
 deal more valid than I would consider ideas that 
 you think come straight from a guy who has been 
 dead for over 50 years. :-)

No thought in it- I guess it all depends on how you define 'dead' :-
). Is death truly defined by just the body we have on earth dying? 
Or is there a tangible element of life continuing as part of the 
death process? Do a Byron Katie type inquiry on that one please, and 
see what you come up with...

I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many 
years. 
Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course!
Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course!

Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct 
perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had 
such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it?

I appreciate your honest response, though I do think it equally 
important to always keep an open mind about such things. The world 
is not always as it seems :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

Response below.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   (Terminology is interesting.  Pro-TMer isn't
   considered disparaging by either those who support
   TM or its  critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of
   outrage from the latter.  And while anti-TMer is
   considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't
   bother them at all to label the pro-TMers
   TBs/True Believers.)
  
  
  
  This is an astute observation. For example, I 
  occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent 
  lable, while at the same time I usually reject 
  the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly.
 
 The thing is, True Believer is actually more
 accurate than pro-TMer. True Believer implies
 all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote
 about in his books, while pro-TMer only implies 
 someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself 
 is beneficial. 
 
 The term anti-TMer is incredibly inaccurate, 
 and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most*
 of the people here who have problems with some of 
 the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* 
 such problems with the basic TM technique itself.
 
 The attempt to call someone who has problems with
 some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of
 the TMO an anti-TMer is DISHONEST. MOST of the
 folks here who have been called anti-TMers by
 one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with
 TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want
 people to *think* that they do.
 
 Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a True
 Believer. THAT is what I am referring to when I
 term someone a TB or True Believer. I am *not*
 suggesting merely that they are pro-TM and
 that being a pro-TMEer is a bad thing. Hell, 
 *I* am actually pro-TM in that I think that 
 the basic TM technique has value. 
 
 But at the same time I believe that many of the 
 personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the 
 True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to 
 themselves and to others.



Shame on you for snipping! SHAME SHAME SHAME.

Just kidding of course. But note that in the part you snipped, I said:

On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily follow that what we might call
the truth content of the labels is equivalent.Furthermore, we
would probably have no difficulty accepting the prevailing view among educated
people that the hard core membership of the organization is likely to be more
narrow-minded and paranoid than the membership at the fringe, and tend to view 
them 
more negatively than anyone else would.

This is the part that agrees with your points, which are all well-taken.

L B S







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
   specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. 
 Even 
   Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
   regards to His power and purity.
  
  PS to Jim. 
  
  As much as I like you, I probably consider your 
  own ideas of what is true and what is not a great
  deal more valid than I would consider ideas that 
  you think come straight from a guy who has been 
  dead for over 50 years. :-)
 
 No thought in it- I guess it all depends on how you define 'dead' :-
 ). Is death truly defined by just the body we have on earth dying? 
 Or is there a tangible element of life continuing as part of the 
 death process? Do a Byron Katie type inquiry on that one please, and 
 see what you come up with...
 
 I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many 
 years. 
 Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course!
 Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course!
 
 Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct 
 perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had 
 such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it?
 
 I appreciate your honest response, though I do think it equally 
 important to always keep an open mind about such things. The 
 world is not always as it seems :-)

So here's a fun intellectual quandary to pursue...

(Just to clarify, I am *not* saying the following 
about you personally, Jim, because we've never 
discussed this subject and I don't know where you 
stand on it. I'm just bringing it up because it's 
one of my favorite weirdnesses about the TM movement.)

The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that 
without exception, the TMers I've met who believe 
that they can perceive or be in communication with
something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness 
*also* believe, when you ask them about it, in 
Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight-
ened being when they die.

You remember that dogma, right? It's the drop 
returns to the ocean rap, in which individuality 
is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, 
toast, never to appear again.

Me, I don't know either way, but I do have fun
noticing that the *same* people who firmly believe 
that there is no individuality left after an 
enlightened being dies (as Maharishi says) have
no problem whatsoever believing that they've at 
one point or another in their lives been in contact 
with Guru Dev's individuality.

This contradiction really isn't one for me because
I *don't* believe in Maharishi's the drop returns
to the ocean rap. So if I had run into Guru Dev's
consciousness somewhere along the way (I haven't) 
I'd have had no intellectual problems with it. 

It just strikes me that those who claim to believe
in Maharishi's theory *should* have an intellectual
problem with running into the individual conscious-
ness of someone they consider enlightened who died.
It seems to me that if they truly believe that 
they've encountered Guru Dev's individual conscious-
ness that they should believe that Maharishi is 
wrong about his drop returning to the ocean theory.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   (Terminology is interesting.  Pro-TMer isn't
   considered disparaging by either those who support
   TM or its  critics, yet anti-TMer evokes howls of
   outrage from the latter.  And while anti-TMer is
   considered offensive by the critics, it doesn't
   bother them at all to label the pro-TMers
   TBs/True Believers.)
  
  
  
  This is an astute observation. For example, I 
  occasionally use the True Believer or equivalent 
  lable, while at the same time I usually reject 
  the anti-TM label when applied to yours truly.
 
 The thing is, True Believer is actually more
 accurate than pro-TMer. True Believer implies
 all of the characteristics that Eric Hoffer wrote
 about in his books, while pro-TMer only implies 
 someone who feels that the TM *technique* itself 
 is beneficial. 
 
 The term anti-TMer is incredibly inaccurate, 
 and IMO consciously so. I would say that *most*
 of the people here who have problems with some of 
 the TM dogma and some of the TMO behavior have *no* 
 such problems with the basic TM technique itself.

 The attempt to call someone who has problems with
 some of the TM dogma and many of the actions of
 the TMO an anti-TMer is DISHONEST. MOST of the
 folks here who have been called anti-TMers by
 one of Hoffer's classic TBs have NO problems with
 TM the technique. It's just that the TBs want
 people to *think* that they do.

No, this is a deliberate distortion on Barry's
part.  Neither anti-TMer nor pro-TMer is
used with reference *only* to one's attitude to
the TM technique, and he knows it.

 Read the list of Hoffer's criteria for a True
 Believer. THAT is what I am referring to when I
 term someone a TB or True Believer.

Anyone familiar with Hoffer's work knows that
his True Believer label is *ludicrously*
inapplicable to most of those to whom Barry
attempts to apply it here.

 I am *not*
 suggesting merely that they are pro-TM and
 that being a pro-TMEer is a bad thing. Hell, 
 *I* am actually pro-TM in that I think that 
 the basic TM technique has value. 
 
 But at the same time I believe that many of the 
 personality traits and behaviors exhibited by the 
 True Believers are very damaging indeed, both to 
 themselves and to others.

As LB noted in his post:

True believership is a well-documented phenomenon,
and is usually associated with some form of cognitive
or development deficit.

Having said that, it is also only too true that those
outside the core are often blind to their own prejudices
and negative thinking. In effect, their thought processes
are virtually indistinguishable from the TB's.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that 
 without exception, the TMers I've met who believe 
 that they can perceive or be in communication with
 something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness 
 *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in 
 Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight-
 ened being when they die.
 
 You remember that dogma, right? It's the drop 
 returns to the ocean rap, in which individuality 
 is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, 
 toast, never to appear again.
 
I don't recall hearing Maharishi ever talk about after death 
experience, so I am not familiar with that rap of his. 

In any case my personal belief is that the two states, live here, or 
live there (aka death) are pretty much the same- Same Stuff; 
Different Existence (to parapharase a popular expression...). It 
doesn't make any sense to me that what we call death should be 
strange and different. I mean, isn't life here strange and different 
enough??

Considering what you have said above about what Maharishi said about 
the death of enlightened beings, I think it is better for us to gain 
enlightenment ourselves and then better determine what the 
experience is, regardless of what Maharishi has said on the subject, 
or what we think he has said on the subject.

So, in conclusion, I have not heard Maharishi say anything that 
contradicts my direct experience of Brahmananda Saraswati.  






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[FairfieldLife] Be careful!

2006-09-01 Thread cardemaister


Russian music site.
Loads of short samples.
E.g. Ravi Shankar:

http://music.km.ru/album.asp?id=dbae12dcfe0b49ccb2282487b3fbc4bb







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Be careful!

2006-09-01 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Russian music site.
 Loads of short samples.
 E.g. Ravi Shankar:
 
 http://music.km.ru/album.asp?id=dbae12dcfe0b49ccb2282487b3fbc4bb


Menuhin meets Shankar:

http://music.km.ru/album.asp?id=9dd807962a304a8981612a71e2dfef09





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-01 Thread Marek Reavis

Comment below:
**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**SNIP**
 
 So here's a fun intellectual quandary to pursue...
 
**SNIP**
 
 The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that 
 without exception, the TMers I've met who believe 
 that they can perceive or be in communication with
 something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness 
 *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in 
 Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight-
 ened being when they die.
 
 You remember that dogma, right? It's the drop 
 returns to the ocean rap, in which individuality 
 is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, 
 toast, never to appear again.
 
 Me, I don't know either way, but I do have fun
 noticing that the *same* people who firmly believe 
 that there is no individuality left after an 
 enlightened being dies (as Maharishi says) have
 no problem whatsoever believing that they've at 
 one point or another in their lives been in contact 
 with Guru Dev's individuality.
 
**SNIP**
 
 It just strikes me that those who claim to believe
 in Maharishi's theory *should* have an intellectual
 problem with running into the individual conscious-
 ness of someone they consider enlightened who died.
 It seems to me that if they truly believe that 
 they've encountered Guru Dev's individual conscious-
 ness that they should believe that Maharishi is 
 wrong about his drop returning to the ocean theory.

**END**

The critique (above) assumes that the past (and the future, too, it 
would follow) is an actual and separate reality from the present.  
But only the Present is ever experienced and the concepts of past and 
future only utilitarian concepts of slicing and dicing It so we have 
something to talk about.

The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a 
delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience 
creates and accomodates changes through time and space.  I'm sure 
you've probably read it in the past.

However, to whatever degree someone did hold those two concepts 
simultaneously while also regarding past, present, and future to be 
separate realities, I agree that it would be something of an 
intellectual contradiction.  





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate

2006-09-01 Thread Bhairitu

That was just a side comment or point of information.  I didn't intend 
for you to alter the translation.   I would be surprised if Brahmanand 
Saraswati was aware of the variation of sunrise and sunsets in more 
northerly countries unless he also practiced astrology and was working 
on charts from those areas.  Given that question however he may have 
well responded to make the room dark.

Paul Mason wrote:

Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have 
ammended the translation to reflect this view:
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Paul Mason wrote:



Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few 
words about when and how to meditate.
Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006

At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but 
  

at 
  

night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of 
  

japa 
  

of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa 
  

muurti' 
  

(desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout 
meditation) quick advancement occurs.

In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the 
  

mantra, 
  

and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the 
ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on 
  

the 
  

foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of 
  

compassion 
  

of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The 
  

vision 
  

of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not 
  

envisage 
  

the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the 
vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa 
  

in 
  

the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From 
this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind 
gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will 
  

stay 
  

in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across 
  

the 
  

ocean of samsaara.
['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108]

More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm

  

It's important to remember that India being close to the equator 


does 
  

not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight Saving 


Time 
  

that more northerly countries have.  Hence many gurus will modify 


the 
  

meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room.









  




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that 
  without exception, the TMers I've met who believe 
  that they can perceive or be in communication with
  something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness 
  *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in 
  Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight-
  ened being when they die.
  
  You remember that dogma, right? It's the drop 
  returns to the ocean rap, in which individuality 
  is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, 
  toast, never to appear again.
 
 I don't recall hearing Maharishi ever talk about after death 
 experience, so I am not familiar with that rap of his. 
 
 In any case my personal belief is that the two states, live here, or 
 live there (aka death) are pretty much the same- Same Stuff; 
 Different Existence (to parapharase a popular expression...). It 
 doesn't make any sense to me that what we call death should be 
 strange and different. I mean, isn't life here strange and different 
 enough??
 
 Considering what you have said above about what Maharishi said about 
 the death of enlightened beings, I think it is better for us to gain 
 enlightenment ourselves and then better determine what the 
 experience is, regardless of what Maharishi has said on the subject, 
 or what we think he has said on the subject.
 
 So, in conclusion, I have not heard Maharishi say anything that 
 contradicts my direct experience of Brahmananda Saraswati.

I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look
forward to what is inevitably going to happen after
Maharishi himself dies. 

The *same* people who will claim that he was the
hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his
theories were perfect and correct in every instance
are going to start claiming that they're in 
communication with his individual spirit now
that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories
would have to be incorrect for this to happen is
never going to occur to them...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look
 forward to what is inevitably going to happen after
 Maharishi himself dies. 
 
 The *same* people who will claim that he was the
 hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his
 theories were perfect and correct in every instance
 are going to start claiming that they're in 
 communication with his individual spirit now
 that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories
 would have to be incorrect for this to happen is
 never going to occur to them...

Not necessarily. Whether or not we see someone as supremely 
enlightened does not determine whether or not we will be in 
communication with them. If they are truly supremely enlightened, it 
is up to them whether or not we are in contact with them. If there 
is an overwhelming and steadfast desire or our part, then we may be 
fortunate. Otherwise, if it is a fanciful pipe dream, or something 
spur of the moment, nothing will occur, regardless of our estimation 
of Maharishi or anyone else as supremely enlightened.

Remember that beneath this covering of flesh and blood is a soul 
seeking knowledge and whatever occurs in our world primarily feeds 
the knowledge of the soul, regardless of how we may be affected by 
it. The goal of course is to attain integration so that the soul and 
the individual are one, aka enlightenment.

This is the true purpose of sidhi powers, and Blessings of the 
Saints. And this is why such phenomena are not easily scrutinized by 
the idly curious or disdainful. Rather than the dry musings of the 
merely curious, there is a rich hidden world available to the devout.

Those whose main motive in seeking such phenomena is ego bound will 
always be confounded, for the Self will always assert its dominion, 
bowing to nothing.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 The *same* people who will claim that he was the
 hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his
 theories were perfect and correct in every instance
 are going to start claiming that they're in 
 communication with his individual spirit now
 that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories
 would have to be incorrect for this to happen is
 never going to occur to them...

Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who
deal in contradictions and have different answers
to life's questions, depending on the state of
attention or POV that is in operation at the time. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a 
 delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience 
 creates and accomodates changes through time and space.  I'm sure 
 you've probably read it in the past.

I was intrigued by your description and went
looking on the Web for the story.  The only
thing I could find was what follows, on the Web
site of one Swami Shyamendra.  I assume it's the
story you're referring to; I found this rendition
of it delightful.  (I thought the Swami's whole
Web site was charming.  I had never heard of him.
He must have some sort of organization, but it
looks to me as though he wrote most of the content
himself.)

I've quoted just the story itself; it's
preceded and followed by explanations and
elaborations.

Ecstacy of Just Being Myself?
YOGA VASISTHA  Vol II
by Swami Shyam Paramahansa
SECTION 2
THE STORY OF JHIWAT

A monk was practicing Yoga.  

Systematically he succeeded to master states of non-
violence, non-falsehood, non-sensationalism, non-alluring and non-
possessiveness of mind.  
He mastered then inner and outer cleanliness, 
contentment, austerity, study of scriptures and abiding by the will 
of the cosmic.  
Then he mastered pyramidical posture, then balanced prana 
and prana airs.  
Then he disconnected the urges of senses from their 
moorings towards their objects.  
Then he focused concentration, then penetrated deeper 
recesses of his consciousness crossing all the way from sub, 
unconscious and deeper unconscious to the state of Mystica 
Trancensia.  He enjoyed it so much.  He stayed on that ascended state 
of timeless, breathless and bodiless state of relaxation longer and 
longer.  When he descended down back to body consciousness he 
strolled around, ate something, smelled some flowers growing outside, 
then entered into the state of trance again.  A long time passed.
Then one day some visitors came.  They left a book of 
someone's autobiography in the cottage.  Before going to rest he read 
the book and entered in sleep.  His system was so clean, whatever he 
thought reflected in and through his mind all the way.  His name 
became Jhivat in his dream.  He was both a drunkard and serviceful 
man to the wise men.  After service he drank his favorite Double 
Scotch and slept.  In dream he became a bramhin.  He studied the 
scriptures well and became an evangelist and began preaching the word 
of God.  Exhausted one day after long hours of giving a sermon and 
collecting enormous amounts of tithings he slept, while still 
counting all the dollar bills.  In dream he became a President of 
United States of America and began making his army bases in every 
third world country and almost buying them.
He slept again one night in his White House and saw 
another dream in which he had become the most prosperous President of 
the world.  He was successfully able to place electrodes in the skull 
of governing leaders of every nation of the world.  And sitting in 
the White House in a huge laboratory with a group of scientists, he 
began operating the brains of every leader of the world.  One day a 
most beautiful lady from Moscow came to visit him.  In the White 
House they dined together.  Music played.  After everybody left they 
retired to the bedroom where they fell in love and made love 
together.  Both together, embraced, fell asleep.
He entered then in another dream.  He had become a most 
beautiful woman, a nymph in heaven.  There he grew up as a dancer.  
While dancing her eyes met with one of her audience who was a very 
handsome angel.  After dance he rushed onto the stage and took her in 
his warm embrace.  They married and started living happily.  Then one 
evening they went for a walk in a picturesque garden.  From there in 
a computer they saw all the most beautiful gardens of the earth.  
Together they started visiting the planet earth in their well built 
flying saucer.  Kashmir, Switzerland, Disneyland, Vedaland, Niagra 
Falls, they traveled, strolled, sported and played music.  
One day she saw a wonderful golden deer.  Large eyes 
charmed her and she took her to her planet as her pet.  She kept her 
in the next room.  She slept in the night with her angel husband and 
saw a dream in which she became a deer.  She was wandering forest to 
forest in lush, green grass and trees surrounded with vines blooming 
with flowers.  Seeing these she slept and saw herself being a bumble 
bee humming around the flowers.  Then she saw herself being a lotus 
flower.  One day an elephant came and ate the lotus.  Then lotus 
became an elephant in next life.  Rushing towards his girlfriend he 
fell in a ditch and was beaten by hunters so much that he swooned and 
saw in dream he became a creeper.  A swan came from somewhere and ate 
it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
 reavismarek@ wrote:
 snip
  The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a 
  delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience 
  creates and accomodates changes through time and space.  I'm 
sure 
  you've probably read it in the past.
 
 I was intrigued by your description and went
 looking on the Web for the story.  The only
 thing I could find was what follows, on the Web
 site of one Swami Shyamendra.  
 http://www.swamishyam.org/Yoga-Vasistha-2/YOGA-V_1.HTM

Great find! I was looking too but did not uncover the jewel :-)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'If Bush Was Assasinated by Mark Almond- Oriel College, Oxford'

2006-09-01 Thread Bhairitu

There would be block parties all over the US.

Robert Gimbel wrote:

What if Bush really was assassinated?by MARK ALMOND Last updated at 13:30pm on 
1st September 2006) 
   Bush is shot by a sniper in a scene from Death of a President.  
 HeadlinesHeld up by a Secret Service bodyguard in his dying moments after 
 being shot in the stomach, this is President Bush being assassinated. 


  The American leader is surrounded by a crowd of panicking onlookers just 
 seconds after being gunned down by a Syrian-born U.S. citizen outside a 
 Chicago hotel.   But this shocking image, created by putting the President's 
 face onto an actor with digital wizardry, is part of a new British drama for 
 Channel Four about the War on Terror.   In Death Of A President, which has 
 caused outrage in America and will premiere at the Toronto Film Festival this 
 month, the shooting is a starting point for a fictional documentary about 
 what happened next. So what would happen if President Bush was assassinated?  
  Here, a historian looks to the future — and imagines the terrifying 
 consequences. BEFORE that fateful day — November 9, 2006 — historians liked 
 to say the world could never again lurch into global crisis because of one 
 man's death, as it had in 1914 when Austria's Archduke Franz Ferdinand was 
 murdered in Sarajevo, sparking World War I.   The assassination of John 
 Kennedy at the
 height of the Cold War hadn't led to Armageddon in 1963, so why should things 
 spiral out of control now if a president was murdered? That confident view 
 was shattered as global communications networks froze from overload while 
 transmitting round the world the picture of the 43rd President of the United 
 States slumping forward after being fatally shot in the stomach.   The murder 
 of George W. Bush set off a global crisis with which we still live today, ten 
 years after he was killed.   Of course, in retrospect, we historians could 
 see it all coming. In the summer of 2006, there had been the 'proxy war' 
 between America and Iran fought out in Lebanon between their two regional 
 allies, Israel and Hezbollah. That war ended badly for Israel and emboldened 
 Iran to defy the United Nations and, more to the point, the United States 
 over its nuclear ambitions.   George W. Bush's hopes of bringing 'peace 
 through democracy' to the Middle East after his invasion of Iraq had already 
 worn
 thin by autumn 2006. Anti-war demonstrations had become more numerous and 
 security tightened everywhere.   The crude dum-dum bullet fired into the 
 President's stomach that November day caused fatal bleeding and the media 
 were reporting the suspected assassin's details within minutes.   Few people 
 in America needed to know more than that the suspected killer of their 
 President was Syrian-born. As the spotlight of blame focused on Syria, 
 regarded by Americans as Iran's poodle, the Iranian Foreign Ministry didn't 
 help its cause by issuing a perfunctory statement expressing regret that the 
 President had 'died in a violent manner' and hoping that the American people 
 would soon choose a new one who would be more peace-loving.   It outraged 
 Americans and George W's mother Barbara was overheard at the state funeral 
 telling Cherie Blair: 'It was like what you say to the maid when her dog gets 
 run over. Get a new one, dear, you'll get over it.'   The American public 
 wasn't
 interested in the formal regrets from Damascus and Tehran. Television 
 coverage showed scenes of jubilation on the streets of Syrian and Iranian 
 cities.   The new President, speaking from a 'secure location' soon nicknamed 
 Bunker One, announced that 'those who celebrate death will learn to taste it 
 soon enough'. Dick Cheney appeared unfazed by the day's gruesome events.   
 While America closed ranks and mourned, across the Islamic world Bush's death 
 was greeted with outpourings of joy. American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan 
 got into firefights with local militias shooting in the air. Saddam's trial 
 was suspended as the defendants hugged each other in the dock.   But what 
 hurt Americans most was the Europeans' lack of grief. Officially, Europe, 
 from Brussels to Berlin and Paris, expressed sorrow and outrage, and 
 President Chirac led the EU mourners in Washington.   But there was nothing 
 like the sadness which greeted Kennedy's murder four decades earlier.   
 Despite Britain's
 own experience of Islamic terrorism, the public response to the murder of the 
 American president here was muted, at best — and in some quarters, not all 
 Muslim, it was joyful.   The Independent newspaper published its obituary 
 with a front-page collage under the headline 'Latest victim of war on 
 terror'.   A passport-style photograph of the late President was put in 
 alphabetical order between a Marine sergeant, George Urban Bush, killed in 
 Iraq the day before and an Air Force pilot, Ryan Caldwell, killed in a 
 helicopter crash near

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BC - Brahman Consciousness
BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi
CC - Cosmic Consciousness
GC - God Consciousness
MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
POV - Point of View
SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master
SCI  Science of Creative Intelligence
SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji)
SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture)
TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines)
TNB - True Non-Believer
TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization
TTC  TM Teacher Training Course
UC - Unity Consciousness
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

2006-09-01 Thread lurkernomore20002000


Did a quick check into mum finances. 

snip
 
  hagelin was paid $113,000 as board member.
   
 snip
  
 Maharishi had to pay him well to convince him to drop his business
 aspirations and be full time.

Good for him.  He does a good job as a spokesman for TMO. Doesn't 
really matter if you think what he says is BS, I'd rather have him, 
rather than Neal Patterson as the movement mouthpiece. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
  reavismarek@ wrote:
  snip
   The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a 
   delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human 
experience 
   creates and accomodates changes through time and space.  I'm 
 sure 
   you've probably read it in the past.
  
  I was intrigued by your description and went
  looking on the Web for the story.  The only
  thing I could find was what follows, on the Web
  site of one Swami Shyamendra.  
  http://www.swamishyam.org/Yoga-Vasistha-2/YOGA-V_1.HTM
 
 Great find! I was looking too but did not uncover the jewel :-)

I have no idea how authentic it is Vasishta-
wise, but I love the way the Swami-dude's
whimsical personality comes through in the
telling.  I especially liked the contemporary
references.

The whole Web site is like that, your fairly
standard high-flown enlightenment-speak in his
very Indiasyncratic English, with these unexpected
little flashes here and there of wry, down-to-earth
contemporary humor.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Never thought I would see this.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 9/1/06 9:14:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  _End of an Affair_ 
  (_http://www.washingthttp://www.htt_ 
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-) 
 dyn/content/dyn/content/dyn/content/WBRdyn/contedyn/c
 
 Nasty  old librul media, eh?
 
 It's not *quite* as cut-and-dried as the Post  makes
 it sound, however.
 
 Well, I may be wrong about The Washington Post,  but they, the 
 *librul media*, certainly had Rove and Cheney tried and convicted 
 in their reader's minds.

For a thorough debunking of the Post's appallingly
disingenuous editorial, see this diary at the blog
DailyKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/1/162135/3059







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look
  forward to what is inevitably going to happen after
  Maharishi himself dies. 
  
  The *same* people who will claim that he was the
  hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his
  theories were perfect and correct in every instance
  are going to start claiming that they're in 
  communication with his individual spirit now
  that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories
  would have to be incorrect for this to happen is
  never going to occur to them...
 
 Not necessarily. Whether or not we see someone as supremely 
 enlightened does not determine whether or not we will be in 
 communication with them. If they are truly supremely enlightened, 
it 
 is up to them whether or not we are in contact with them. If there 
 is an overwhelming and steadfast desire or our part, then we may be 
 fortunate. Otherwise, if it is a fanciful pipe dream, or something 
 spur of the moment, nothing will occur, regardless of our 
estimation 
 of Maharishi or anyone else as supremely enlightened.
 
 Remember that beneath this covering of flesh and blood is a soul 
 seeking knowledge and whatever occurs in our world primarily feeds 
 the knowledge of the soul, regardless of how we may be affected by 
 it. The goal of course is to attain integration so that the soul 
and 
 the individual are one, aka enlightenment.
 
 This is the true purpose of sidhi powers, and Blessings of the 
 Saints. And this is why such phenomena are not easily scrutinized 
by 
 the idly curious or disdainful. Rather than the dry musings of the 
 merely curious, there is a rich hidden world available to the 
devout.
 
 Those whose main motive in seeking such phenomena is ego bound will 
 always be confounded, for the Self will always assert its dominion, 
 bowing to nothing.

Well spoken...!
R.G.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

2006-09-01 Thread Marek Reavis

It was fun to read Swami Shyamendra's version of the 100 Rudras that
you found.  Thanks for that.  Below is an excerpt from the same story
from Swami Venkatesananda's Yoga Vasishta published by the SUNY Press.

***

THE STORY OF THE HUNDRED RUDRAS

VASISHTA continued:

In this connection I shall narrate a legend to you, O Rama, to which
please lend your ear.

There once lived a mendicant who was devoted to meditation.  His mind,
having been purified by such meditation, came to possess the power to
materialise its thoughts.

One day, being tired of continuous meditation, yet having his mind
fully concentrated, he thought of doing something.  He fancied birth
as one who was illiterate and of a non-brahmana family.  Instantly, he
had become, as it were, a tribesman: there arose in him the feeling 'I
am Jivata'.  This dream-being roamed for some time in the city also
built of dream-objects.  One day he got drunk and slept.  He dreamt
that he was a brahmana endowed with knowledge of the scriptures. 
While he was living a righteous life, one day this brahmana dreamt
that he was a powerful king.  He dreamt that he was a mighty emperor
of unequalled glory.  One day he indulged in royal pleasures and after
that slept and dreamt of a celestial nymph.

Similarly, this nymph one day dreamt that she was a deer.  And this
deer dreamt that it was a creeper.  Surely, even animals behold
dreams, for such is the nature of the mind which can recollect what
has been seen and what has been heard.  The deer became a creeper. 
The inner intelligence in the creeper saw in its own heart a bee.  It
became a bee -- and the bee began to drink the nectar in the flowers
on the creeper.  It became attached to the nectar in one of those
flowers, surely for its own destruction!

At night an elephant approached this creeper and plucked it, along
with the bee, and crushed it in its mouth.  However, the bee, having
seen the elephant, contemplated the elephant and became an elephant. 
The elephant was captured by a king.  One day it saw a hive of bees
and on account of the memory of its own past birth it became a bee. 
It began to drink the nectar of the flowers in wild creepers.  It
became a creeper.  The creeper was destroyed by an elephant, but
because the creeper had seen swans in the nearby lake, it became a swan.

One day this swan was roaming in the company of many other swans. 
While the mendicant was meditating upon this swan, he was overcome by
death.  His consciousness therefore became embodied in the swan.

VASISHTA continued:

That swan once beheld lord Rudra and in his heart there arose the
conviction 'I am Rudra'.  Instantly it abandoned its body as swan and
became Rudra.  And that Rudra dwelt in the abode of Rudra.  However,
since Rudra was endowed with true knowledge, he remembered all that
had taken place!  
***

The story continues for another 9-10 pages and is one of my favorites
in the whole Yoga Vasishta.  The Yoga Vasishta is just a wonderful
book and incomparable.  I highly recommend it.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
 reavismarek@ wrote:
 snip
  The story of The One Hundred Rudras in the Yoga Vasishta is a 
  delightful, mobius strip-like exposition of how human experience 
  creates and accomodates changes through time and space.  I'm sure 
  you've probably read it in the past.
 
 I was intrigued by your description and went
 looking on the Web for the story.  The only
 thing I could find was what follows, on the Web
 site of one Swami Shyamendra.  I assume it's the
 story you're referring to; I found this rendition
 of it delightful.  (I thought the Swami's whole
 Web site was charming.  I had never heard of him.
 He must have some sort of organization, but it
 looks to me as though he wrote most of the content
 himself.)
 
 I've quoted just the story itself; it's
 preceded and followed by explanations and
 elaborations.
 
 Ecstacy of Just Being Myself?
 YOGA VASISTHA  Vol II
 by Swami Shyam Paramahansa
 SECTION 2
 THE STORY OF JHIWAT
 
 A monk was practicing Yoga.  
 
 Systematically he succeeded to master states of non-
 violence, non-falsehood, non-sensationalism, non-alluring and non-
 possessiveness of mind.  
 He mastered then inner and outer cleanliness, 
 contentment, austerity, study of scriptures and abiding by the will 
 of the cosmic.  
 Then he mastered pyramidical posture, then balanced prana 
 and prana airs.  
 Then he disconnected the urges of senses from their 
 moorings towards their objects.  
 Then he focused concentration, then penetrated deeper 
 recesses of his consciousness crossing all the way from sub, 
 unconscious and deeper unconscious to the state of Mystica 
 Trancensia.  He enjoyed it so much.  He stayed on that ascended state 
 of timeless, breathless and bodiless state of relaxation longer and 
 longer.

[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 [snip]
  
  Yep, that staggering achievement of bringing over one pundit,
  supported by a private group of people.
  
  And who is his cook?
 
 This is the third time you've asked who his cook is. What's up with
 that? Why the fascination with who's going to cook for the guy?


One excuse for why there are no pundits here is that the visas for their cooks 
are difficult or 
impossible to obtain.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
 snip
   Yeah, well, that kind of misses my point, which was
   that *some* things that are apparently cultural may
   *also* be scientific in that their specific effects
   are universal.  (I wasn't including saris, by the way.)
  
  Thanks for clarifying. I didn't address that because I didn't see
  that the point was in contention (although universal is a pretty
  large in scope).
 
 If there really is a law of nature component to
 any of this stuff, it *would* be universal, wouldn't
 it?  That's what I was getting at.
 
  I didn't even think I was suggesting throwing 
  anything out in the first place, only saying that I don't believe 
  Maharishi is totally uninfluenced by culture, history, situation
  in time, and ideology, and that some of what he does is based on 
  that.
 
 Yes indeed, I fully agree.  It's just that there's a
 tendency on this forum (not you necessarily) to see
 everything in black-and-white terms--in this case, if
 it's cultural, it's *only* cultural and can thus be
 disregarded.  So I wanted to suggest a caveat in that
 regard.
 
  I wasn't even saying
  that's a bad thing, more that it is unavoidable. Just as Guru Dev 
  was influenced by his cultural milieu, so is Maharishi.
 
 Yup.
 
   And the issue with Vedic chanting, of course, would
   be whether it has a *positive* effect on consciousness.
   (I'm not talking about whether it's enjoyable or
   elevating to listen to aesthetically; I'd vastly
   rather listen to Bach for that.)
   
  That could lead to some interesting discussion about precisely which
  recitation--Vedic or or non-Vedic sanskrit, or Buddhist, Chinese,
  Japanese, Australian aboriginal, North American native, African
  etc.
 
 Hebrew too, although from a different angle.  Many
 ancient languages make similar claims.
 
 --has which effects for developing consciousness or making life
  more in harmony with natural law etc. I have more questions than
  answers in that regard. No doubt some of the more scholarly posters
  here would have some interesting things to say.
  
  If I have time perhaps I'll start a new thread on that topic.
 
 Please do, it's an area of interest for me.  As far as
 I'm aware, the TMO is the only group that has attempted
 to research the effect of language sounds on consciousness.
 Do you know of any such efforts elsewhere, with other
 languages than Sanskrit?  It would be neat to do a
 comparative study, I should think.


Only one, which suggests that the effect isn't exactly replictable...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=searchDB=pubmed


1: Int J Neurosci. 2001 Jul;109(1-2):71-80. Links
Physiological patterns during practice of the Transcendental Meditation 
technique 
compared with patterns while reading Sanskrit and a modern language.

Travis F, 
Olson T, 
Egenes T, 
Gupta HK.
Psychology Dept., Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield, Iowa 52557, 
USA.
This study tested the prediction that reading Vedic Sanskrit texts, without 
knowledge of 
their meaning, produces a distinct physiological state. We measured EEG, breath 
rate, 
heart rate, and skin conductance during: (1) 15-min Transcendental Meditation 
(TM) 
practice; (2) 15-min reading verses of the Bhagavad Gita in Sanskrit; and (3) 
15-min 
reading the same verses translated in German, Spanish, or French. The two 
reading 
conditions were randomly counterbalanced, and subjects filled out experience 
forms 
between each block to reduce carryover effects. Skin conductance levels 
significantly 
decreased during both reading Sanskrit and TM practice, and increased slightly 
during 
reading a modern language. Alpha power and coherence were significantly higher 
when 
reading Sanskrit and during TM practice, compared to reading modern languages. 
Similar 
physiological patterns when reading Sanskrit and during practice of the TM 
technique 
suggests that the state gained during TM practice may be integrated with active 
mental 
processes by reading Sanskrit.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Never thought I would see this.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 _End  of an Affair_ 
 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/
AR2006083101460_pf.html)


Heh. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years ago, when 
  he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something is happening in 
  the brain, more coherence. If we meditate with people that is not 
  doing TM - their vibes will disturb our brain wave function. Some of 
  the TB's told us not to have non-meditating friends - because it was 
  not good for us, and never meditate in the same room as others that 
  used other meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
  to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.
  Ingegerd
 
 
 
 When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me that once during 
 meditation 
he 
 felt a presence sitting next to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A 
 voice spoke to 
 him telepathically and said, What right do you have to transcend? Then it 
 continued: 
 This is how I transcend.
 
 At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell out and he plunged 
 into the 
 deepest meditation he had ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the 
 experience to 
 be negative.

And the moral is: people in the mid-70's had some very strange unstressing 
episodes...

BTW, in Zen, it is considered a Very Rare Thing to transcend.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
 marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
  
   I heard Geoffrey Clements say something similar many years 
   ago, when he visited Norway. When we meditate TM - something 
   is happening in the brain, more coherence. If we meditate 
   with people that is not doing TM - their vibes will disturb 
   our brain wave function. Some of the TB's told us not to have 
   non-meditating friends - because it was not good for us, and 
   never meditate in the same room as others that used other 
   meditation technique. I think I would be very comfortable 
   to meditate in the same room as Yogananda and Guru Dev.
   Ingegerd
  
  
  
  When I first came to MIU in the mid-70s, a friend told me 
  that once during meditation he felt a presence sitting next 
  to him. The thought came, Zen Buddhist. A voice spoke to 
  him telepathically and said, What right do you have to 
  transcend? Then it continued: This is how I transcend.
  
  At that moment, according to my friend, the bottom fell 
  out and he plunged into the deepest meditation he had 
  ever experienced. As I recall, he didn't find the 
  experience to be negative.
 
 Although this story sounds somewhat hyped up and
 fictionalized, that *IS* what it's like to meditate
 with someone who can go into samadhi for long periods
 of time. The bottom really does fall out, in the
 sense that as long as that person stays in thought-
 less samadhi, *you* stay in thoughtless samadhi. 
 Forget the maximum of several seconds stuff that
 Sparaig talks about from the experiments; we're
 talking twenty minutes to an hour easy, sometimes
 longer.
 
 When you think about it, this may be one reason that
 the TMO doesn't want its people meditating with those
 from other traditions who can transcend for long 
 periods of time. As long as they don't know it's 
 possible, they don't know what they're missing.


Pats head.

Of course, Unc. There's a good boy. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
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 It was fun to read Swami Shyamendra's version of the 100 Rudras that
 you found.  Thanks for that.  Below is an excerpt from the same
 story from Swami Venkatesananda's Yoga Vasishta published by the 
 SUNY Press.

A much more elegant telling, and a lot more
Moebius strip-like.

For some reason, as I was reading it, I was
seeing it unfold in my mind's eye (I don't
usually visualize what I'm reading), and it
occurred to me what a fabulous film could be
made of it by someone with creative imagination
and skill with special effects/CGI.

snip 
 The story continues for another 9-10 pages and is one of my 
 favorites in the whole Yoga Vasishta.  The Yoga Vasishta is just a 
 wonderful book and incomparable.  I highly recommend it.

I'm sold!  Many thanks.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 9/1/06 12:00 AM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote:

Great idea and great post. I¹ve often felt that one possible
scenario after
MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail
 and MUM will
become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably.

Do they have a growing alumni endowment fund?
   
  I don¹t know if they have any endowment fund. Perhaps Bob Brigante
 or Mark
  Meredith.
   
   Or has everything been
funnled into pundits, rajas etc?
   
  Lot¹s has been secretly siphoned off by ³International² over the
 years, for
  undisclosed purposes, often threatening the day-to-day functioning
 of the
  university.
 
 That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money
 they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? 
 
 
 JohnY


gasp, you mean that massive amount mentioned earlier: 

income $23.4 million, expenses, $23.3 million...?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/1/06 11:15 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money
   they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff?
  
 Who can say for sure? But the Shrivastavas are rumored to be living pretty
 well.


$100,000 per year goes a long way in India.

Yes, I know, you believe that they're siphoning money for their own use from 
all possible 
sources world-wide, and perhaps they are. But it takes a while to get a million 
dollar income 
if you can only siphon $100k at a time...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  The *same* people who will claim that he was the
  hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his
  theories were perfect and correct in every instance
  are going to start claiming that they're in 
  communication with his individual spirit now
  that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories
  would have to be incorrect for this to happen is
  never going to occur to them...
 
 Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who
 deal in contradictions and have different answers
 to life's questions, depending on the state of
 attention or POV that is in operation at the time. 
 
 snicker


Bringing out the Mysticism of Star Trek (tm), Odo was one with the collective 
consciousness (Source?) of his people, yet could manifest a physical form to 
chat with 
Kyra. 

Come to think of it, Shiva's done that how many times?

Dare I mention Q?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'If Bush Was Assasinated by Mark Almond- Oriel College, Oxford'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There would be block parties all over the US.
 
 Robert Gimbel wrote:
 
 What if Bush really was assassinated?by MARK ALMOND Last updated at
13:30pm on 1st September 2006) 
Bush is shot by a sniper in a scene from Death of a
President.  HeadlinesHeld up by a Secret Service bodyguard in his
dying moments after being shot in the stomach, this is President Bush
being assassinated. 
 


Another perfect example of how any action can be rationalized. I'm 
sure the Shrivasta's are on the lookout for like minded folks. 

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2