[FairfieldLife] Re: Qualities of the Unified Field
Xeno Taxius, the 40 qualities which Tony Nader enumerates is fron the 'relativistic' POV through the five senses and intellect. From the absolute POV the Unified Field has no qualities whatsoever. It is Nirguna, devoid of all qualities. Many experienced Yogis whom I have read state clearly that it is indefinable and cannot be expressed in any words. --- Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Buck, to save you time. If the unified field is as described in the TMO, all qualities that we could ever think of would be properties of it. For example, if a hot chick walks by Barry, whatever goes through his mind at that moment is quality of the unified field. Since it has all possible qualities, there is no point in enumerating them, unless you want to avoid listing certain of its qualities by omission.
[FairfieldLife] Jean Marc Painting
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 666
--- In card cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/jimi-hendrix.com# Hey card, be careful when you browse. https://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/www.alexa.com/msgpage
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[FairfieldLife] Indian Kentucky chicken opens a can of worms
Worms Make KFC Squirm By Express News Service THIRUVANANTHAPURAM 09th October 2012 06:09 PM Chicken and fast food chain Kentucky Fried Chicken's (KFC) Thiruvananthapuram outlet in India has been closed down on Monday after worms were found wriggling out of a chicken delicacy served to a family. The KFC outlet at QRS Square, Pulimoodu, will remain closed until further orders and its licence has been suspended, an officer of the Food Safety Commissionerate said. The outlet had sourced the chicken from Suguna Chickens, Coimbatore, he said. The outlet was opened in May. We've taken samples of all the food products served there - frozen products and oil included, said D Sivakumar, Food Safety Designated Officer, Thiruvananthapuram. The food safety officers acted on a complaint filed by Shiju Abdul Rasheed who visited the outlet with his wife, son and two cousins on Monday evening. They ordered broasted chicken and 'fiery chicken.' Tiny worms began to wriggle out when Shiju broke off a small piece of 'fiery chicken'. He immediately alerted the staff. They offered to replace the dish, which he declined. I rang up a friend of mine in the health department and another in the police. But then, the staff began saying the food was not served by them and that I'd brought it from outside, Shiju, who works in Saudi Arabia, said. Shiju has handed over the bill to the food officials. Following the incident, three other units of the fast food chain in the state - two in Kochi and one in Kozhikode - saw food safety officers swoop down and take food samples. newindianexpress.com/nation/article1291346.ece
[FairfieldLife] Re: More cool Raymond Chandler quotes
This shit is as bad as Robin's shit. Dude post it in some other forum and not here. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Even more: The man in the powder-blue suit which wasn't powder-blue under the lights of the Club Bolivar was tall, with wide- set gray eyes, a thin nose, a jaw of stone. He had a rather sensitive mouth His hair was crisp and black, ever so faintly touched with gray, as by an almost diffident hand. His clothes fitted him as though they had a soul of their own, not just a doubtful past. His name happened to be Mallory. He's doing his next week's drinking too soon. I don't like drunks in the first place and in the second place I don't like them getting drunk in here, and in the third place, I don't like them in the first place. The dark guy took a week to fall down. He stumbled, caught himself, waved one arm, stumbled again. His hat fell off, and then he hit the floor with his face. After he hit it he might have been poured concrete for all the fuss he made. The drunk slid down off the stool and scooped his dimes into a pocket and slid towards the door. He turned sideways, holding the gun across his body. I didn't have a gun. I hadn't thought I needed one to buy a glass of beer. The door swung shut. I started to rush it from long practice in doing the wrong thing. In this case it didn't matter. The car outside let out a roar and when I got onto the sidewalk it was flicking a red smear of tail-light around the nearby corner. I got its license number the way I got my first million. He took his felt hat off and tousled up his ratty blond hair and leaned his head on his hands. He had a long mean horse face. He got a handkerchief out and mopped it, and the back of his neck and the back of his hands. He got a comb out and combed his hair he looked worse with it combed and put his hat back on. She smoothed her hair with that quick gesture, like a bird preening itself. Ten thousand years of practice behind it. We were almost at my door. I jammed the key in and shook the lock around and heaved the door inward. I reached in far enough to switch lights on. She went in past me like a wave. Sandalwood floated on the air, very faint. I shut the door, threw my hat into a chair and watched her stroll over to a card table on which I had a chess problem set out that I couldn't solve. Once inside, with the door locked, her panic had left her. So you're a chess player, she said, in that guarded tone, as if she had come to look at my etchings. I wished she had. Her eyes were set like rivets now and had the same amount of expression. I sipped my drink. I like an effect as well as the next guy. Her eyes ate me. He's really dead? she whispered, Really? He's dead, I said. Dead, dead, dead. Lady, he's dead. Her face fell apart like a bride's piecrust. Her mouth wasn't large, but I could have got my fist into it at that moment. In the silence the elevator stopped at my floor. Scream, I rapped, and I'll give you two black eyes. It didn't sound nice, but it worked. It jarred her out of it. Her mouth shut like a trap. He came close to me and breathed in my face. No mistakes, pal about this story of ours. His breath was bad. It would be. When I left the party across the street was still doing all that a party can do. I noticed the walls of the house were still standing. That seemed a pity. The hammer clicked back on Copernik's gun and I watched his big bony finger slide in farther around the trigger. The back of my neck was as wet as a dog's nose. Back and forth in front of them, strutting, trucking, preening herself like a magpie, arching her arms and her eyebrows, bending her fingers back until the carmine nails almost touched her arms, a metallic blonde swayed and went to town on the music. Her voice was a throaty screech, without melody, as false as her eyebrows and as sharp as her nails. He took out a leather keyholder and studied the lock of the door. It looked like it would listen to reason. A swarthy iron-gray Italian in a cutaway coat stood in front of the curtained door of the red brick funeral home, smoking a cigar and waiting for someone to die. She had a mud-colored face, stringy hair, gray cotton stockings everything a Bunker Hill landlady should have. She looked at Steve with the interested eye of a dead goldfish. The cigar was burning unevenly and it smelled as if someone had set fire to the doormat. In a moment the door opened again and Ellen Macintosh came in. Maybe you don't like tall girls with honey-colored hair and skin like the first strawberry peach the grocer sneaks out of the box for himself. If you don't, I feel sorry for you. Ellen lowered her long silky eyelashes at me and when she does that I go limp as a scrubwoman's back hair. The hotel was upstairs, the steps being
[FairfieldLife] Re: These people should not be allowed to vote! Sad.
--- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Yet Another Survey: Fox News Viewers Worst-Informed, NPR Listeners Best-Informed http://www.mediaite.com/online/yet-another-survey-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed-npr-listeners-best-informed/ Fox News: Least Informed Audience (Pew Survey) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1349130853 --- wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: Howard Stern Exposes Obama Voters-The left drags all societies into the toilet. Their policies create these brain dead wards of the state, just like intended, and then these assholes are pointed toward the voting booths with their marching orders. This is not why this country was created. This is not why people died. This is a damn shame. This is the legacy of the left. Shame on them. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Yep, it's a shame WillyG believes the right to vote is only for white male landowners like himself who are still pissed off they lost the Civil War. These antiquated old fossils just *hate* it that Lincoln freed the slaves and women have the vote. You're on the wrong side of history, Bubba. How stooopid can ya get? It's fairly obvious WillyG gets his political news from Fox News and rightwing websites. We can safely assume he's among the least informed voters in the county, just another idiot programmed to vote against his own best interests. Yet Another Survey: Fox News Viewers Worst-Informed, NPR Listeners Best-Informed http://www.mediaite.com/online/yet-another-survey-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed-npr-listeners-best-informed/ Fox News: Least Informed Audience (Pew Survey) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1349130853 Some experts say that the 'Cumulative voting system' is far better than the 'conventional simple voting system'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_voting In cumulative voting the voter ranks the canditates according the preference. The voter can also cast a negative vote for a canditate. This system will better protect minorities and prevent politicians from taking extreme positions. In fact most corporates use this cumulative voting system to protect the intrests of minority shareholders.
[FairfieldLife] A Lady Hunter
A Lady Hunter
[FairfieldLife] Warrior inks by sean izaakse
Warrior inks by sean izaakse
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Warriors in Japan
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[FairfieldLife] Re: If FFL Really Was A Bar or Bad Habits kind of place
What's more puzzling is that he repeatedly mentions that he does not read certain people and has a DNR list. He says the solution is to reply with silence. And yet, long moaning complaints like this come with periodic regularity. Maybe he wants to turn the forum into a Quorum where everybody agrees with every post? --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: BW, just to refresh your memory that there are OTHER kinds of places where normal people go for beverages and conversations. They are called coffee shops, etc. I believe you frequent one called Bad Habits. You started the ruckus yesterday. I simply asked you for YOUR score on the test that YOU presented to the group. You responded by ranting about genital size and contests and envy about such. To quote a few people here: WTF? Still waiting, but wisely not holding my breath, for you to suck it up and be a man about having over reacted, especially to Ann. Would it kill you to apologize to her? (Couldn't resist that cliche in this FOAD context.) I'm curious what you do at home when you make a mistake. I admire that you manage to live with others and make decisions eg babboo. But do you ever apologize when you've made a mistake? Then again maybe a purpose of bar/forum conversation is to forget all about home.
[FairfieldLife] An empathy test you can take (was Re: An Open Letter to...)
--- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Rob Robb who worked at hospice for terminally ill says most people cum when they go. Really? I thought they just peed and poo'd from the muscles relaxing. When my little Billie kitty died a few years ago, I found her in a puddle of pee. Regarding alleged genital envy, as I've stated before, I'd much rather be a cu than a co. --- Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Copper vs. cobalt? Personally, I prefer cobalt's blues over copper's reds and greens, and cobalt's participation in barium cobalt nitride (BaCoN) is just icing on the cake. I guess you could say that I'm just really into the co. Your post usually carry clarity, but this one is cryptic. BTW, I always used to see you 'online' in msg contacts. I don't see you now. Have marked yourself 'hidden'? I remember you telling me that you found the palin file disgusting and repulsive. Don't you think it was stupid of me to send it? How could I be so silly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Q.E.D.
--- , turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip They perceived my comments as initiating a dialogue, and more revealing, as if by making them I had issued an invitation to them to *argue* with me, in some kind of silly quasi-intellectual dick-size contest. This is not to be. :-) --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Translation: I decided to swing my dick gratuitously at several people I don't like, and to my discomfiture they came back with such effective and dismissive putdowns that my poor dick just about disappeared. I was able to nurse it back to some semblance of health overnight, but I simply can't risk actually putting it out there any more. So from now on I'll just swing it in my own face. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Ha! Although horrifyingly auto erotic, that's something I'd like to see. http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2190096/82160832.jpg Don't you think it's bad anology to use when having an intellectual boxing match with three Tigresses? His obsession with comparative d**k sizes and contests is most disconcerting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the ancient spiritual wisdom of India
The purpose of marraige and family is sharing of responsibilities. It also becomes easier to share resources. I agree with you when you say that the more evolved a person is the more choosy they are about their partners. Evolution causes species to 'pairbond' only when there is survival pressure to do so. In the case of humans that has been the case. What you mention as 'love' is the mechanism by evolution to create that bonding. Oxytocin is the mechanism evolved for that purpose. Some people as you pointed out who are wayward philandering libertines, have high levels of testoterone. Such males cannot pairbond and they tend to unfaithful to their spouses. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Well dear John, this is what I was saying - contrasting Shiva, Krishna, the ancient spiritual wisdom of India with the life-abnegating, poverty-worshiping Gurus and that yes sex,marriage, kids is not incompatible with enlightenment. However I have a lot of issues with your statement - there's nothing wrong with getting married to satisfy your sexual passion I don't agree with the marriage part - any long term relationship based on love is good, marriage is just a piece of paper and my views are in line with Osho that marriage as an institution was created to suppress women, not that I'm against marriage, no not at all. And then your usage of satisfying sexual passion seems to have an implicit condemnation. I certainly am not like Barry who creeps out random women by trying to feel their asses in bars. Sex has to follow love, an extension of love and the more intelligent, evolved a person is, the more choosy he/she is in choosing a partner. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:25 PM, John jr_esq@... wrote: ** Ravi, There's nothing wrong with getting married to satisfy your sexual passion. You can have children and attain enlightenment as well. What's wrong with that? JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the ancient spiritual wisdom of India
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: The purpose of marraige and family is sharing of responsibilities. It also becomes easier to share resources. I agree with you when you say that the more evolved a person is the more choosy they are about their partners. Evolution causes species to 'pairbond' only when there is survival pressure to do so. In the case of humans that has been the case. What you mention as 'love' is the mechanism by evolution to create that bonding. Oxytocin is the mechanism evolved for that purpose. Some people as you pointed out who are wayward philandering libertines, have high levels of testoterone. Such males cannot pairbond and they tend to unfaithful to their spouses. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: If, as you suggest, the purpose of family is the sharing of mutual resources, where is the benefit of pair-bonding as opposed to polyamorous bondings of more than two? Does not compute. The more members of the family, the more resources, and the more endorphins released. Also the higher the chances of survival in tough times. Seems to me that monogamists are limiting their survival options along with their sexual ones. Just sayin'... In pairbonding species, the female chooses medium testosterone males because they hang around and help raise the family. That gives the offspring a better chance of survival. In non-pairbonding species the female chooses high testosterone males because it has high quality genes. The downside is that the male doesn't hang around and help raise the offspring. There is no free lunch in evolution. There is a price for every strategy. Low testosterone males don't get any mates at all. The more offspring you have, the resources have to be shared by each one of them. The less offspring you have, you can dedicate more resources to that offspring and that gives them a better chance of survival. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Well dear John, this is what I was saying - contrasting Shiva, Krishna, the ancient spiritual wisdom of India with the life-abnegating, poverty-worshiping Gurus and that yes sex,marriage, kids is not incompatible with enlightenment. However I have a lot of issues with your statement - there's nothing wrong with getting married to satisfy your sexual passion I don't agree with the marriage part - any long term relationship based on love is good, marriage is just a piece of paper and my views are in line with Osho that marriage as an institution was created to suppress women, not that I'm against marriage, no not at all. And then your usage of satisfying sexual passion seems to have an implicit condemnation. I certainly am not like Barry who creeps out random women by trying to feel their asses in bars. Sex has to follow love, an extension of love and the more intelligent, evolved a person is, the more choosy he/she is in choosing a partner. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:25 PM, John jr_esq@ wrote: ** Ravi, There's nothing wrong with getting married to satisfy your sexual passion. You can have children and attain enlightenment as well. What's wrong with that? JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the ancient spiritual wisdom of India
--- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hey Jason, thanks for info about the difference between pairbonding and non pairbonding species. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Share, don't believe everything you read, especially here. While one can make generalizations about *theoretically* pairbonding species, one can make no such generalizations about whether they are actually monogamous or not: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/are_humans_monogamous_or_polygamous_the_evolution_of_human_mating_strategies_.html http://tinyurl.com/8jcm5b8 While this is an interesting article, I would point out that the author's assumptions are fairly biased, because when thinking of polygamy he thinks one husband, many wives. This is far from the only scenario. In many polyamorous groupings, the breakdown is more many wives, many husbands, and the issue of competition that the author seems to take for granted don't seem to come up. It seems that one *can* take the jealousy out of the equation, even if one can't take it out of the researcher. :-) I was aware of that. I didn't want to say too many things in one post and confuse readers. Gorillas are at one extreme and Chimps are at another extreme. Humans are somewhere in between. However, the major cause for this variations in behaviour is testoterone levels. When a baby elephant is born, all the females in the herd take care of it. All the females are literaly it's mother and they suckle the baby. It happened because the frequency of births in elephants are low and communal parenting became a survival imperative.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Billion-dollar machine
On 10/10/2012 06:30 AM, WLeed3@... wrote: What we need is a real recoveryâand, unlike the President, thatâs exactly what Iâm offering. Thanks, Mitt Romney --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Mitt Romney is offering a theocracy and corporate communism. Do you really want to live under those? Would you offer technocracy (science based policies) and 'political socialism' combined with economic freetrade?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this Ann?
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Is this Ann? --- awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Absolutely, except my ears are a little more rounded at the top. Is this Jason, is this Jason? Well, if you add a little melanin on the skin. My apologies for posting under a pseudonym. It's a long story.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Learn about Einstein and God!
--- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Find out what Einstein thought about god for only $3,000,000! http://rt.com/art-and-culture/news/einstein-god-letter-bible-915/ Or read it online: For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them, one of the world's most brilliant minds wrote. I've always thought the same thing as what Einstein did about god and religion, I must have an amazing mind. Kissinger (himself jew) responded to a desperate request for assistance from former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir by complaining to a colleague: Is there a more self-serving group of people than the Jewish community? You can't even tell the bastards anything in confidence because they'll leak it. Never trust a Jew, says Henry Kissinger. He made his boss proud.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Know Reality's Point of View
There is only one true god called Gundu Gulu. There is only one true religion called Bullah. Koka Moka is his only true messenger. Only the almighty Gundu Gulu can provide salvation. All those who don't believe in him, the almighty Gundu Gulu will consign them to eternal flames. However, those who believe in the all knowing almighty god Gundu Gulu, and listen to his true messenger Koka moka, they shall enter into Paradise. The prophet himself will receive you at the gates of the paradise and deliver unto you 72 virgins. Robin has spurned the true god Gundu Gulu. The almighty Gundu Gulu will breath fire and throw Robin into a molten lake of fire. Koka Moka the only true messenger of God urges all believers to wage holy war called 'nutjob' against the infidels. Death and hell awaits the blasphemers who have spoken against the only true religion of Bullah. --- emptybill emptybill@... wrote: There is no deity but The Deity. Muhammad is his Messenger. Jesus was the glorious prophet of The Deity. The Deity has no mother, no wife, no son. Robin is a idolater and polytheist because there are not two deities nor three deities. Robin has heard this but turns his face away from The Face of The Deity. Robin has time only until his last breath, perhaps his next breath, to take refuge in The Deity or be consigned to the Fire. Or if The Deity wills, Robin shall enter the flames quite soon to show the fate of those who refuse the Mercy of the All-Knowing. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I disagree with your interpretation of his point I did not interpret Robin's point. I quoted his point directly from his post. but we can let Robin decide if he cares to. He doesn't have to decide anything, Curtis, he's already made the point. That's what I quoted, you see. Although he objects to my characterization of likeability to describe the personality qualities he uses to determine how aligned someone is to the POV of reality he clearly does list the traits for both sides. Well, I'm not going to quote Robin's refutation of this notion again; I'll simply ask readers to scroll down to the quote, which begins WTF... Then readers can ask themselves why Curtis is reiterating his interpretation of what Robin has said after Robin has told him it's wrong. I mean, how many ways are there to interpret likeableness does not come in here and It is not a question of likeableness, Curtis? Robin doesn't mention personality traits. He's talking about how a person feels *in the moment* when they have an experience of accord, or lack of accord, with reality. This is entirely independent of their likeability or lack thereof as a person. He has applied this criteria many times in our exchanges. BTW, criteria is plural. The singular is criterion. It is part of the personal attack style that you are also a big fan of.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Will you help America choose wisely?
--- Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Dr. John Hagelin development@ Subject: Will you help America choose wisely? Date: October 8, 2012 8:08:55 PM CDT To: Dick, dickmays@ Dear Dick, Are you aware that early voting has already begun in some of the thirty-four states which provide it? The moment for us to help America choose wisely has arrived. You are a much treasured member of our Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City Super-Radiance community. I know that nobody understands more intimately than you the need to create maximum coherence in our national consciousness over the election period. Here's the plan I want to suggest to you: Join your friends in the Domes every possible day from now through election day, November 6th. Call your out-of-town Sidha friends and encourage them to take a coherence-creating vacation here in Fairfield during this election period. Advertise your spare room / guest room as available on the IAA housing board at www.mum.edu/forum. You might consider making it available without charge for these few days. America's fortune depends on us. With my warmest wishes, Jai Guru Dev, Raja John Hagelin --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Hey Dick, perhaps you could ask Mr Hagelin what result he is actually after, if natural law has an electoral preference wouldn't he be better off getting us to canvass friends and relatives to go with the most coherent party? Otherwise we might just meditate and be in the sad position of having to accept the winner as the best because they were elected while we were meditating! I've seen this before in the NLP nature must want this result because it's the result we got Scary, but not as scary as the guy who thought the leader of the NLP should be made lifetime ruler of Europe because he's the most coherent And obviouslt the most because Marshy wouldn't have given the job to him if he wasn't! Maybe find out who does JH votes for then we can assume he's right because he's obviously highly coherent Or not, depending on your own personal politics which makes the whole excercise rather pointless. Hey ho. PS If natural law doesn't have an electoral preference, why not? I wonder what 'political ideology' and 'economic ideology' the NLP has? Is it a vedic kingdom, with clown suits and tin foil crowns? Would that be a vedic dictatorship? I wonder if any of the prime TV channels has interviewed Hagelin regarding this?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Will you help America choose wisely?
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: I wonder what 'political ideology' and 'economic ideology' the NLP has? Is it a vedic kingdom, with clown suits and tin foil crowns? Would that be a vedic dictatorship? I wonder if any of the prime TV channels has interviewed Hagelin regarding this? --- wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: I think MMY had in mind a 'benevolent' dictatorship, that's why MMY was a dreamer. A nice dream for a fantasy world (maybe some day, you know, when all the trees in the forest are green). Some scientists say that the only way to solve the world's problems is to produce abundant cheap, clean energy, like fusion energy. When that happens it would indeed be possible to make the entire world green. Make deserts bloom.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Romney is a Liar
Politicians are not an isolated community. They are a part of the general society. Whatever values the general society has the politicians would also have. I too always believed in MMY's quote that the government is a reflection of the collective. All preceding generations down the ages had their share of wacky views and beliefs. But there was no internet and mass media then which is why they didn't get attention. Today we have the internet and these wacky politicians come under spotlight. --- seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: that goes back to many posts that i've done before. I've always believed vehemently in MMY's quote: government is an innocent reflection of collective consciousness. That being said, why do we get upset with our politicians? How is it that we have politicians who run up big deficits, cheat on their spouses, and lie about it? Because we have people in our society who max out credit cards, cheat on their spouses, and lie about it. We shouldn't expect anything more from our leaders than we ourselves are. seekliberation --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Reading this seekliberation, the thought came that if we want honest politicians we have to start by being honest ourselves. Probably also applies if wanting honest gurus, honest spouses, honest friends, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Know Reality's Point of View
--- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: A new world's record. Needing 50,527 words just to say I'm insane. Impressive. --- awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: You counted them all. If you didn't read them you sure know how to miss the boat. Barry thinks (giving him the benefit of the doubt), Let's see, I'll count the words, not read them and then use 14 ill-chosen words of my own to show how idiotic I really am. Go pick up some dog poop, fish a cat out of the canal or hire another hooker, these activities are apparently much more worthwhile in your addled world. You don't have to read Robin's posts Barry and I am sure you did not so how could you possibly, even remotely, say one valid thing about it? You couldn't and you didn't. Just because War and Peace was a long book does it make Tolstoy insane? Hey Ann, you sound like a little girl 'defending' her drunk father after he crashed his car against a tree. Can't you just admit that you fell for this crappy gag and wasted years of your life on it? We all did. Even Barry was a bug eyed cult zombie in the 1970's
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Know Reality's Point of View
What a moron you are, Robin. Darwin is not a 'materialist', but is a 'naturalist'. Maintain the distinction between the two. There is no such thing as 'neo-darwinism'. Darwin's discovery is not an ism. Science is a methodology, a tool to understand the empirical laws of nature. In fact there is no contradiction between Darwin and vedanta. They are on two parallel tracks. You pepper your points with accusations about the motives of Curtis. This is one trick you have been playing all alont since you came here. Darwin is *not* a materialist. Darwin was a scientist and a naturalist. You don't seem to understand the process of science itself. Unlike religion, Science has self-correcting mechanisms. It's an open ended structure were new data is added theories constantly refined. Darwin never wanted his theory to become a dogma. He himself once said that 'if you come up with something better then discard it'. Paleontaology, genetics, bio-chemistry, study of ecosystems all have added credence to Darwin's theory. Renowned biologist Theodonius Dobzhansky states, Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. Modern biology is evolutionary biology and if you take away evolution, there is no biology. You are in the same boat with that other moron Barry who also thinks of science as an ism. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: How to Know Reality's Point of View: Robin's Response to Curtis, Part 2 of 3 (continued from Part 1) Snip ROBIN2: I am sure there have been a hundred books written by professional philosophers in the last twenty years to the effect: *Why Materialism Cannot Possibly Be True*. One of the most distinguished philosophers in the world--by every consensus--who is an avowed atheist--has a book coming out this month (Thomas Nagel again) titled *Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False*. Did you notice that subtitle, Curtis? Some think Nagel the greatest living philosopher--and he is an atheist as you are. And he has just smashed to pieces your assumption about reality and philosophy and nothingness. CURTIS2: No he hasn't, that is a book title. He isn't going to overturn Darwin's evolutionary thoery with a book. And I might agree with him depending on how he defines his terms concerning materialism. He has to make his case. ROBIN3: He is saying that your basic assumptions--about what is real, what materialism can explain and what it cannot explain, the limits of Neo-Darwinism, the origin and nature of consciousness--ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY FALSE. Did you hear that, Curtis? The book comes out here in Canada on October 15. I will be reading that book. And I can assure you that what I say here will be most certainly proven to be true. Shall we bet on it, Curtis? Nagel is not going to say that God exists--he cannot bear that that could be true. But he is going to demonstrate that the models for understanding human beings, consciousness, and reality promulgated by Patricia and Paul Churchland are most certainly false. You will not become a convert to the Nagel view; I doubt any Neo-Darwinian Materialist will be--they will say that Nagel has betrayed the cause of evolution and science and neuroscience. This will HAVE to be your verdict too, Curtis. But who knows? Maybe if you write to him as you have written to me--and you would be forced to if his ideas are as interesting and provocative as mine are:)--he might rewrite his book, because that is exactly what he should do if he hears from you the way I am hearing from you, Curtis. Thomas Nagel's book will most certainly challenge the hysterical metaphysic of your first person ontology, Curtis. snip (continued in Part 3)
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Know Reality's Point of View
I wonder how reality can have a POV? Is reality an entity to have a POV? I wonder how someone can kill the truth? Robin accuses Curtis of killing the truth. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: snip You are working away here, Curtis, in your customary fashion: from within the animus you have to the metaphysical principle which has enabled me to suggest a possibility of human accountability that infuriates you and inflames your pride. And you attack me without any willingness to even consider a single thread of plausibility or meaningfulness in what I have said. This is a dead giveaway to your ultimate and hidden metaphysical purpose: Kill the truth which you find abhorrent and inconvenient to your way of living your life. snip You are perfectly nonresponsive to what I have just said, Curtis. Can you never deal with the truth except aslant, Curtis? You are not serious here, Curtis, surely. You have become a devotee of Lawrence Krauss, who has come under withering attack not just from philosophers, but from fellow physicists (some of whom are trained in philosophy, as Krauss is not) for his *A Universe from Nothing*. This is a very stupid thing to do, Curtis, trying to make FFL readers believe there is a consensus about what nothingness is and what nothingness isn't, and that the only persons who disagree with you are benighted and antediluvian. snip But no, Curtis doesn't do this. If he has nothing to say by way of retort, he just changes the topic, or generalizes it out of all meaning and pertinence to what was being discussed. You kill the reality, the momentum, the context within which truth wishes to create the necessary tension so an issue can be seen from various points of view, Curtis. Once again you lead the reader astray by simply turning away from what is being said--this, after your vociferous protestations about my ignorance, dishonesty, ad hominem arguments. Suddenly just passive and deliberately irrelevant. snip Again, you will never face a question or challenge directly, Curtis. You will never let a question strike against your consciousness. If you smell trouble, you walk away, as you have right here. You have not begun to address what I have said here. That is always revealing, isn't it, Curtis? I cannot understand, in all the quarrels you have had with various posters here on FFL, why everyone who is normal, intelligent, and reasonable can't see that you are a moral and intellectual--and metaphysical--cheat, Curtis. Why would I set myself up for a takedown like this with you, Curtis? No, you are consciously and compulsively misrepresenting me. snip You would be asked to go to your room and STFU if you answered like this at the dining room table, Curtis. This is stupid, obstinate, and painfully obstructionist. snip I am shocked that so many persons on FFL are intimidated by your way of arguing that you just shut them up. You would not have lasted around where I grew up, Curtis. You would have been censured, and you would have felt the ignominy of your false posturing. This is ruled out of order, Curtis, for you to rule my question to you out of order. snip Go to your room, Curtis. WTF? This is getting strange. I am surprised that those who love you have not told you to just shut up. You should just shut up, Curtis. You have nothing to say to what I have said here. You are tediously the same, Curtis: You will never know what it is like to find your ideas, your consciousness, altered by some idea which is opposed to your sacred beliefs, the beliefs which are tantamount to the survival of your first person ontology. snip You are a primitive kind of thinker, Curtis--you do not go near the elegance and musicality and loveliness of what it really means to think about an idea. Too bad. You are missing out on one of the great privileges of being a human being. You should be Fidel's right-hand man. You would do well reinforcing his socialist utopia there in Cuba. snip You are terrified of bumping up against reality such that reality might invade your consciousness, alter your beliefs, shape you, influence you in any way. I see this most vividly and disappointingly, and shockingly, in your heated exchanges with other posters here on this forum, Curtis. You don't fight fair--but you know this. snip No, Curtis, I am just tracking what the inner person Curtis is doing when he pretends to be arguing honestly and sincerely--which you never are, Curtis. Not these days, anyhow. Not in hand-to-hand fighting. There you only fight dirty. And I have seen this. snip What an outrageous form of deceitfulness this is, Curtis. I intend to be true to the
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to Know Reality's Point of View
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: I wonder how reality can have a POV? Is reality an entity to have a POV? --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: M: I agree, this is a central issue. It is using a term which has less emotional load than God (who would be such a dick that they would not respect reality right?) and then basically giving the word the same function and qualities of what the term God usually refers to. A form of concept smuggling. And it ignores the issues concerning how we can have confidence that someone is speaking for it, he she, whatever. I wonder how someone can kill the truth? Robin accuses Curtis of killing the truth. M: It is all in the choice of your round. Truth has a particularly thick skin so only a magnum round for a high velocity penetration will work. But don't try to use a 223 round because that doesn't have the spreading impact needed to stop truth in its tracks. You need at least a 30/30 commonly used for deer hunting, but if you have something like one of those hand held cannons they use on big game in Africa, so much the better. The truth doesn't end up with much edible meat anyway, so don't worry about blasting the shit out of it. I have used some truth carcases for stock, but with all the little bullshit bones to strain out, it is hardly worth the trouble and certainly doesn't add more flavor than a well roasted duck carcass. Most of us dedicated truth killers are in it for the sport. I've tried to get the same satisfaction stalking and shooting it with a camera, but somehow is just isn't the same. Plus I get paid one degree cooler in my future in hell for each truth's foot I deliver to the big guy downstairs, and so far I'm looking at eternity at a toasty but livable 83 degrees. I figure with a ceiling fan I'll be just fine and I'm pretty sure Walmart has a store down there to sell me one once I arrive. Free refills at Hell's Starbuck too from what i hear. Those bastards are everywhere. [air conditioning cartoons, air conditioning cartoon, air conditioning picture, air conditioning pictures, air conditioning image, air conditioning images, air conditioning illustration, air conditioning illustrations ] -
[FairfieldLife] Is this Judy?
Is this Judy?
[FairfieldLife] Is this Raunchy?
Is this Raunchy?
[FairfieldLife] Is this Emily?
Is this Emily?
[FairfieldLife] Is this Share?
Is this Share?
[FairfieldLife] Is this Ann?
Is this Ann?
[FairfieldLife] Is this Sal?
Is this Sal?
[FairfieldLife] Bow and Arrows
Are there any more women in the forum?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Forum ranking (was Best TM Rumor to Judy
You sound familiar to Barry and this forum? In case you don't know the rules, let me explain it to you. The three pips are Raunchy, Jim and Lawson. The pippettes are Robin, Bob Price, Emily, Ann, Ravi, WillyTex and Duveyoung. I, Xeno, Salyawin, Bhairitu, John are annoying gnats. --- laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: Barry, you degenerate piece of shit. Don't you know that it has to be white! Get a life, man! --- laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: Good morning Share. Sorry to butt in here but I can never pass on a good teaching opportunity. This is what I meant by Turn away, turn away, it's hideous. Now are you catching on? Did you figure out the ML shop opening on the square? Have a wonderful day! --- Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Maharishi Latex? --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Release your Inner Siddha. Invest in Maharishi Latex today. A new look for a new you. http://veeklog.info/images_articles/latex-54edbd.jpg http://veeklog.info/images_articles/latex-54edbd.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Ravi and Judy
Huh! How can anyone be in a painfully blissful state? Even Robin with all his oxymoronish contradictions dosen't come close to this. He says that the whole thing was a lie and a snare, yet the Unity was real. In fact I remember him telling me last year that he was Just passing himself as 'enlightened'. Old Judy girl bats for him for one simple reason. She has to Prove that 'Unity consciousness' exists and thereby MMY was right and so on and so forth. It's bad news for the TM mov't if Robbie boy was just in delusion. It hurts Judy's cause and makes the entire TM mov't look loony. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Awesome dear Share. I have nothing to say about anything else now - I'm in a totally nervous, above normal vulnerable, painfully blissful, intoxicated state today. So I need to make sure I continue to focus at work. Love, Ravi On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: ** Hi Ravi, yes you are a cool and totally cool blast (-: But Ravi, about Marek: maybe he has his moronic moments as we all do. Maybe he has his inauthentic moments as we all do. But I don't think he could do the job he does and be moronic by nature. Nor do I think he could surf if he was inauthentic. Nature's the best reality check. As for me, I realize I have my non grown up moments. But I also do my spiritual practice, going to the Dome twice a day every day. I do this no matter the weather, no matter my mood. That's grown up in my book. I face my fears including fear of dying. That's grown up in my book. I admit I make mistakes. Also grown up in my book. I forgive others their mistakes. Also grown up in my book. etc. etc. Share
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]
An excellent point Taxius. In fact I, emptybill and iranitea did point out many months back when Robin claimed that individuality was completely gone. That is possible only when one drops the body in samadhi. The analogy of body as the 'light bulb' and electricity as 'consciousness', (I think Ramana gave it) you look down from your 'higher self' at your 'lower self' (individuality) which like everybody's individualty is also a part of your consciousness. That 'residue' of individuality enables you to function in this plane till you die. --- anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip Suspicion is that lurking feeling something is not quite right, one cannot always put one's finger on it. In your conversations with Robin, have you ever had a back and forth about the nature of Reality? I ask this because it is in this situation that what I 'suspect' becomes evident. Normally you do not discuss ideas, you edit or correct statements in relation to those ideas that others make, but normally do not seem to enter the fray with a direct discussion of what you think about the 'truth' of conceptions about reality, in which case you would not butt heads with Robin. snip I am always experimenting. But there seems to be a difference in my approach and what Robin seems to advocate. My experience is the sense of individuality gets dismembered with spiritual practice. This does not mean it ever completely goes away, but it becomes more transparent, as if it were a convenient fiction, a useful construction for dealing with other human bodies and objects, but the experience is everything is an aspect of an inclusive whole, and everything seamlessly fits together. It is an incredible delicious simplicity. snip I am always experimenting. But there seems to be a difference in my approach and what Robin seems to advocate. My experience is the sense of individuality gets dismembered with spiritual practice. This does not mean it ever completely goes away, but it becomes more transparent, as if it were a convenient fiction, a useful construction for dealing with other human bodies and objects, but the experience is everything is an aspect of an inclusive whole, and everything seamlessly fits together. It is an incredible delicious simplicity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorandum 1: Smoothing things out
On Oct 5, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Alright, I will say it: Emily did a major number on my ass. But, did you enjoy? It's Friday here and you're not even making any sense, yesterday - Curtis has already left the room. LoL! --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Barry - oh come on can't you at least avoid your bullying on Fridays. This is the second time today the blame landed on Barry's doorstep, in the exact same thread. Somebody chided Barry fo steamrolling and now someone else is accusing him of bullying. Maybe yahoo switches names and drive people crazy?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tea Party Stupid
People would do anything for money and power. He is obviously playing to the gallery. Do you think he would say this if the majority of the electorate didn't believe this? --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Georgia Rep. Paul Broun, Science Technology Committee, is Tea Party Stupid: All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell, Broun said. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior. http://www.addictinginfo.o*g/2012/10/05/republican- science-is-all-lies/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tea Party Stupid
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: People would do anything for money and power. He is obviously playing to the gallery. Do you think he would say this if the majority of the electorate didn't believe this? --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Smart Kotch Brother money buys Congressional seats for useful Tea Party idiots. Broun isn't playing to a gallery, he *believes* his own bullshit. The day the majority of Americans believe ignoramuses like Broun is the day corporate media will have won the propaganda war on an educated electorate. http://youtu.be/DvlbZWZWzOM The link isn't opening. Have they taken down the page? --- raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: Georgia Rep. Paul Broun, Science Technology Committee, is Tea Party Stupid: All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell, Broun said. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior. http://www.addictinginfo.o*g/2012/10/05/republican- science-is-all-lies/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TM Rumor to Judy and PS to laughingG
--- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: PS to laughingG: just in case I've been bad in the reply above, maybe you better include FF in your itinerary (-: --- laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: Why you little tart you! How dare you try to deprive me of a good ass spanking by trying to lure my gully boy away from me! I forbid you to have any further contact with my gully boy, either electronically or physically. Furthermore, you are to give no credence whatsoever to anything he writes because he just doesn't have enough *skin* in the game...and probably never will. snip snip So, is this gully girl, probably gully boy's wife?
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS [to Judy]
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: That 'residue' of individuality enables you to function in this plane till you die. --- j_alexander_stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Is that the same residue of individuality that compels you to email me pornography? I may be way out in left field, but it seems to me that one should be able to function perfectly well in this plane without doing that. I was planning to delete all those files. But was also keen to pass the junk to others so that it can survive in another incarnation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tea Party Stupid
On 10/06/2012 10:36 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu: I think the demons from hell have arrived You sound really scared, for a tantric yogi. Looks like Eastwood was right: debate an empty chair; empty promises; failed to win the war; failed to improve the economy; failed to to not raise taxes; failed at hope change. http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2012/10/06/the-real-debate/ and they've taken the form of Republicans and the Reich Wing. So, Hitler formed the Third Reich party and then murdered millions, but U.S. Repugs are your enemy. ;-) This sad behavior precipitated a search by Obama that brought him in contact with several father surrogates, notably Frank Marshall Davis and Jeremiah Wright, that it would be hard to brand as anywhere near satisfactory. (Davis was a pornographer and about Wright the less said the better.) No Mitt Romneys there... 'The Real Debate: The Good Father vs. The Abandoned Son' http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2012/10/06/the-real-debate/ http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2012/10/06/the-real-debate/ --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: So you must believe that the Republicants and the Reich Wing are angels from heaven? How much money have they pissed down on you so far? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5CYqZbgK6Q Don't you think it's bizzare that established political parties are left to the mercy of corporate funds for survival, which always comes with strings attached? This is the the real reason the communists and Islamists hate and distrust the western world. This hatred has very little to do with the economic system or even cultural system. Don't you think it's better to give subsidies to established political parties with considerable vote base, rather than private companies and corporate banks? Don't you think it's incredible that the modern day politicians feel more insecure that monarchs of the past? Don't you think reforms for political finance and campaign finance should have been done more that 50 years ago? Nothing in the universe is static. All things change, mutate and evolve. Why should political systems alone remain static and dogmatic? Don't you think one of the challenges for this present generation is to evolve a better political system? Don't you think untainted funding from the state will attract better and more ethical politicians into the system?
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS to Robin
--- maskedzebra maskedzebra@ wrote: ROBIN2: A lot more is being said here in this segment of my letter than you choose to respond to, Share: that is a fault in you. The equivalence principle: that is what you should have addressed. How can I respect your honesty and good faith, Share, if you choose to respond so selectively to what is being said to you? --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: M: This is the verbal overwhelm technique. A dump truck of cement is unloaded on the person, and then when you get so bogged down you can't even find your cell phone to dial 911, you are accused of not addressing EVERYTHING that was dumped on you. I drowned in the same La Brae pit Share. Robin, I am usually the most anti Strunk and White Elements of Style advocate because I believe its worship leads to boring writing. But in your case, you really need to pick up a copy. You are asking too much of your readers. You are right on the point. It's this kind of dumping that worries me. He needs 600 words to convey a single point. His insistence that we read every single word of it is like force feeding 2 litres of vinegar down someone's throat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: today PS
Here is another instance of Bariatric making an imaginary allegation, that The others piled on against Share and for Robin because they were still trying to get Curtis. And this is the zillionth time he used the dick comparison analogy. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Oh, shut up, Barry. You are clueless and irrelevant. --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: M: Sorry Robin, Share's response supersedes our opinions in this matter. I don't need to have a long conversation about it with you about it now. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Hint: You never did. Robin's part in all of this was just to be what he is -- an abusive psychopath trying to get people to believe he can fix them. The others piled on against Share and for Robin because they were still trying to get you. Idiocy as usual. Easier just to stay out of it and allow everyone in the who-has-the- biggest-dick contest to shoot their wads and go limp so that we can get back to talking about ideas instead of people...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The difference between charisma and narcissism
Here below is a full monty agreement and the feedback which you are talking about. --- Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Shemp was specifically asking about *xanax.* What's so difficult about that? Any number of responses have nothing whatsoever to do with that, but are instead trying to peddle some nonsensical junk treatment that will do nothing, or else something like xanax (and other psycotropic medications) never would have been necessary in the first place. Talking about fruit diets, doshas, herbal teas et al when someone is trying their best to get informed opinions on what could be a potent drug just shows, IMO, the desperation of people who will do anythying for attention. --- TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I have to agree. --- off_world_beings no_reply@... wrote: Yes, a dumb fuck like you would agree. Turq, you are so stupid you can't even see it. You have nothing of value to offer for anyone, you are an extremely prejudiced and arrogant ass, and you too will be on anti-depressants within a year. OffWorld --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip In my experience, it rarely is. And there is a simple way to tell the difference between narcissistic confidence and real charisma. The former requires constant feedback; the latter does not. The narcissist is trolling for attention. He or she CARES -- and CARES deeply -- whether other people agree with his or her pronouncements. The narcissist often declares that others owe him or her a reply or an answer to their pronouncements. They fly into rages when the other person suggests that they are owed nothing, and then often go on long vendettas against them to get them for not giving him or her the attention they were trolling for. *Let alone* the greater sin of not bowing reverently in the direction of the narcissist and saying, Wow. You got me. You are just SO RIGHT in what you say. Mea culpa. How could I have been so misguided as to not see myself (or the thing or concept the narcissist is making pronouncements about) the way you do? Please forgive me, and tell me more about how I can become as all-wise and all-knowing as you are. The hangers-on who glom onto narcissists rarely appreciate the truly charismatic, because they don't give *them* the narcissistic feedback they're looking for. The charismatic don't tend to gather those people who agree with them into cliques or cults. They just continue on their Way, valuing neither the people who agree with their statements highly, nor the people who disagree with them. All of them are *entitled* to their own view, and welcome to it, think the truly charismatic. The narcissists, on the other hand, very much DO NOT believe that others are entitled to their own view. They argue incessantly against any view that contradicts theirs, and even any view that only partially agrees with it. In the mind of the narcissist, only Full Monty Agreement is acceptable. As a result, there are people here on this forum whose posts I tend to ignore, and not even bother reading. The lesson of history has indicated over time that these posters fall into the narcissistic category, if not the downright abusive category. So why waste any time at all on them, or on what they have to say? From their side, these people whom I have chosen to ignore seem to believe that I'm really doing what *they* do -- reading every word they write, as needy for feedback as they are. Bt. Not true. The few words of theirs I cannot escape, quoted in the posts of others I do read, are more than enough to reveal their intent, and their true nature. As are their constant attempts to lure me -- and others -- into long, protracted arguments with them so that they can prove their superiority. BORING. But for those of you who get off on becoming groupies to the narcissists of this world, carry on with that if it makes you happy. Seems like a waste of time and life to me, but hey! it's your life. Waste it as you will...
[FairfieldLife] Gospel of Matthew - linked to bizarre trail of self-mutilations
Gospel of Matthew linked to bizarre trail of self-mutilations June 13, 2012, Special to World Science It happens only sporadically -- a bit more than every three years on average, judging by published medical reports -- but that makes it no less disturbing each time for hospital staff faced with the situation. It may be described by citing the most recent example, reported in a medical journal last month: that of a 62-year-old man whom physicians dubbed Mr. P to protect his privacy. Mr. P showed up at the emergency room of St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix, Ariz., complaining of a case of Matthew 19:12. Asked to clarify, he just kept repeating the same thing: Matthew 19:12. The nurse on duty searched the Internet for Matthew 19:12. The result was, to put it mildly, worisome. The Biblical verse, as she learned, reads as follows. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb; and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men; and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. As it quickly became clear, Mr. P had made this hospital visit unaccompanied by his penis. That, he explained, he had flushed down the toilet three days ago after severing it with a pocket knife. His testicles were also absent -- removed four years earlier at Mr. P's request by a doctor in Mexico. Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb; and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men; and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew 5:29 But if thy right eye of-fend thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Although his speech and thoughts appeared muddled, Mr. P did state that he had done this because his penis had caused him to sin and as an eunuch he could be closer to God as described in Matthew 19:12, three researchers affiliated with St. Joseph's wrote in a report describing the incident. Mr. P also claimed to have pondered the decision for months before acting. Mr. P received ugent treatment at St. Joseph's, including a skin graft onto the stump. He was then confined to a local psychiatric hospital by court order, leaving little but questions behind. The three investigators proceeded to search an online medical literature database, PubMed, for other cases of this nature. They discovered that the Bible -- indeed, the Gospel of Matthew specifically -- has left a trail of self-mutilations inspired largely by four of its verses. The bloody toll listed in case reports dating back to 1967 -- PubMed doesn't go back much further -- included three partially or fully amputated penises; four pairs of castrated testicles; three amputated hands and 11 severely damaged eyeballs. Saws, circular saws, screwdrivers and pencils were among the tools used for the horrifying procedures, although several patients put out their eyes with their fingers alone. Our literature review revealed 16 patients in addition to [Mr. P] who had injured themselves in connection with specific religious text, the researchers wrote. Their review of the cases is published in the May 29 online issue of the research journal Psychosomatics. All but one of the patients were diagnosed with psychiatric dis-orders or psychotic dis-orders or had substance abuse issues, they wrote; Mr. P., for example, had a long history of severe bipolar illness marked by hyper-religious delusions. And every case was connected with at least one of four verses in Matthew’s Gospel: 19:12, 18:8, 5:29 and 5:30. The three latter verses are more cryptic than the first, referenced by Mr. P. What they have in common is that they appear to suggest that if a hand, foot or right eye are somehow offensive, cutting them off is the way to go, because at least, that much less of the body will end up in Hell. Several biblical verses reference self-mutilation as metaphoric acts of sacrifice or contrition, wrote the researchers, who included psychiatrist Jason P. Caplan of St. Josep's and the Creighton University School of Medicine in Omaha, Neb. Some in-dividuals may interpret these passages
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayn Rand Aleister Crowley: Two peas in a pod
Don't you think it's a paradox that our economic system is more socialistic than our political system. Agriculture, medicine and even defence research is subsidised by Govt. On the other hand, it's brute money power that runs our political system. Any political party that has more that 33% of the vote base should be funded and maintained by the State. Also, any politician who had gathered 33% of votes in the previous election should be given campaign funds by the state itself. A cap or ceiling should be put on how much campaign funds should be used in an election. Any left over funds should be put in a trust fund and the intrest from that fund should be used for the day to day maintenance of the party. A 'socialistic political system' will counter balance a 'capitalistic economic system'. A kind of Yin-Yang balance. Let's say a paradigm shift in the way we view the political process itself is necessary for reforms in political finance and campaign finance. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: The last sane Republican, President Eisenhower, would not recognize the Republican party, nowadays, overtaken by greedy bastards. Paul Ryan plans to replace Medicare with a voucher system and Romney thinks 47% of Americans are dependent moochers. What dark and creepy philosophy allows the Republican party to justify a Libertarian agenda that would eliminate the social safety net and redistribute wealth upward to the wealthy? I found a test that compares the writings of Ayn Rand, the Philosopher Queen of Objectivism and Aleister Crowley, the Beast 666 and prophet of the Age of Horus. It will be difficult to distinguish the two, but one cannot miss the heartlessness of these writers. Which of the following quotes are from Ayn Rand and which are from Alester Crowley? No fair using Google. Answers are at end of test. 1. What are your masses...but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it? 2. The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live. 3. I am alone. There is no God where I am. 4. The definition of self-respect contains a clause to include pitiless contempt for some other class. 5. How right politicians are to look upon their constituents as cattle! Anyone who has any experience of dealing with any class as such knows the futility of appealing to intelligence, indeed to any other qualities than those of brutes. 6. A strong man can eventually trample society under his feet. 7. You love only those who deserve it 8. I spit on your crapulous creeds. 9. According to the Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins but for the sins of the non-ideal people. In other words, a man of perfect virtue was sacrificed for men who are vicious and who are expected or supposed to accept that sacrifice. If I were a Christian, nothing could make me more indignant than that: the notion of sacrificing the ideal to the non-ideal, or virtue to vice. And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. 10. We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched and the weak: this is the law of the strong... 11. Each man must live as an end in himself. 12. The Way of Mastery is to break all the rules 13. Some men are born sodomites, some achieve sodomy, and some have sodomy thrust upon them... 14. Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them. I console not: I hate the consoled the consoler. 15. What I am fighting is the idea that charity is a moral duty 16. Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth. 17. All this talk about 'suffering humanity' is principally drivel based on the error of transferring one's own psychology to one's neighbour. The Golden Rule is silly. 18. Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people. 19. I am the creator of a new code of morality... a morality not based on faith. 20. I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning. 21. The person who loves everybody and feels at home everywhere is the true hater of mankind. 22. I am unique conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. 1. Rand 2. Rand 3. Crowley 4. Crowley 5. Crowley 6. Rand 7. Rand 8. Crowley 9. Rand 10. Crowley 11. Rand 12. Crowley 13. Crowley 14. Crowley 15. Rand 16. Rand 17. Crowley 18. Crowley 19. Rand 20. Crowley 21. Rand 22. Crowley Source: http://www.cannonfire.blogspot.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Father (to Raunchy -- writing for the Church of $cientology)
EmptyBill is senior to you and yet you call yourself as his father. Man, you are totally nuts. Even Barry with all his stunted intellect and lies is easier to deal with. You OTOH make no sense in this empirical reality. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Empty baby - you don't give up do you? You have to challenge your father every time you naughty boy - anyway I like it. It's OK, it's your lucky day boy - remember the 3 S's of self-deception - this is what my Devi advises for everyone - sadhana, seva and satsang. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: ** Ravi you are indeed an arrogant fool. The only thing you like to f--- is your ego. However, maybe She will feel sorry for you. Go smoke more charas. You'll feel like a real brahmana. Apparently mahà sunya is your destiny. In fact, maybe the dvaita madhvacharya was correct. Maybe you're just a nitya-samsarin. In that case why should I bother about it? Maybe Durga-devi smokes the chillium and YOU are just one of the charas posing as a human. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Empty - look you are blabbering and not making any sense. Think about this with a clear head - by slandering me you hurt Devi and thereby idiots like you and million of others who fantasize on her will be disturbed. Imagine the havoc, destruction caused by millions of people left vulnerable to reality. Because you know what at the end of day Devi I still sleep together. So please in the interest of global peace back off from this slander, it's doomed to failure empty baby. So I order you go back to your sadhana - stop being an errant child, have some respect for your father. Ravi Shiva. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:32 PM, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: ** Then wake the f--- up Ravioli. Those who slander the devotees of Devi slander Devi herself. Throw away the ahamvritti charas in you chillium and get straight. You talk like the western-grubbing guru-s you purport to hate. Are you a devi-bhakta or just another bragging fake? Look how far down her throne you've slid! Wake the f--- up before it's too late for you this very kalpa . The great void awaits. It knows nothing. It speaks nothing. It enjoys nothing. It is insentient tamo-guna and you are french-kissing it in your ego-masturbation. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Empty - stop irritating me OK? Yeah - Devi will be happy to see her lover being slandered like this. She really loves me empty, she is very attached to me, poor girl - please don't break her heart man. Come on I beg you. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:48 PM, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: ** To bad Raviola. Better face up to the truth. You're just a delirious little manysha-brahmarakshasa. You have no future but the great void. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Lord Knows - I really don't know why you are so hung up over Robin. you need to fucking let it go man because Robin comes across as a very sincere person to me, you just have to look at all his posts here on FFL and you will get an idea - assuming you are open of course. Even assuming he is insincere one thing is for sure - licking Curtis's ass is leading you nowhere. That guy is not interested in truth, he is not interested in anything but himself and he represents nothing but perversion, distortion of truth. Good luck.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Father (to Raunchy -- writing for the Church of $cientology)
And why *should* Devi sleep with you? Anything on this forum ain't a personal issue. Durga Shakti is my mother and your mother too. You would surely admit that divinity is present in everyone dormant or active. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: What is so confusing boy? Devi is Emptybill's mother but Devi sleeps with me so I'm Emptybill's father. Why are you interfering in our personal issues? Is Devi your mother too? Let me know boy - 'cause I need to know. On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: ** EmptyBill is senior to you and yet you call yourself as his father. Man, you are totally nuts. Even Barry with all his stunted intellect and lies is easier to deal with. You OTOH make no sense in this empirical reality. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Empty baby - you don't give up do you? You have to challenge your father every time you naughty boy - anyway I like it. It's OK, it's your lucky day boy - remember the 3 S's of self-deception - this is what my Devi advises for everyone - sadhana, seva and satsang. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: ** Ravi you are indeed an arrogant fool. The only thing you like to f--- is your ego. However, maybe She will feel sorry for you. Go smoke more charas. You'll feel like a real brahmana. Apparently mahà sunya is your destiny. In fact, maybe the dvaita madhvacharya was correct. Maybe you're just a nitya-samsarin. In that case why should I bother about it? Maybe Durga-devi smokes the chillium and YOU are just one of the charas posing as a human. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Empty - look you are blabbering and not making any sense. Think about this with a clear head - by slandering me you hurt Devi and thereby idiots like you and million of others who fantasize on her will be disturbed. Imagine the havoc, destruction caused by millions of people left vulnerable to reality. Because you know what at the end of day Devi I still sleep together. So please in the interest of global peace back off from this slander, it's doomed to failure empty baby. So I order you go back to your sadhana - stop being an errant child, have some respect for your father. Ravi Shiva. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:32 PM, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: ** Then wake the f--- up Ravioli. Those who slander the devotees of Devi slander Devi herself. Throw away the ahamvritti charas in you chillium and get straight. You talk like the western-grubbing guru-s you purport to hate. Are you a devi-bhakta or just another bragging fake? Look how far down her throne you've slid! Wake the f--- up before it's too late for you this very kalpa . The great void awaits. It knows nothing. It speaks nothing. It enjoys nothing. It is insentient tamo-guna and you are french-kissing it in your ego-masturbation. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Empty - stop irritating me OK? Yeah - Devi will be happy to see her lover being slandered like this. She really loves me empty, she is very attached to me, poor girl - please don't break her heart man. Come on I beg you. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:48 PM, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: ** To bad Raviola. Better face up to the truth. You're just a delirious little manysha-brahmarakshasa. You have no future but the great void. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Lord Knows - I really don't know why you are so hung up over Robin. you need to fucking let it go man because Robin comes across as a very sincere person to me, you just have to look at all his posts here on FFL and you will get an idea - assuming you are open of course. Even assuming he is insincere one thing is for sure - licking Curtis's ass is leading you nowhere. That guy is not interested in truth, he is not interested in anything but himself and he represents nothing but perversion, distortion of truth. Good luck.
[FairfieldLife] Helen Gurley Brown - The woman who wanted it all
Today's Paper » FEATURES » SUNDAY MAGAZINE The woman who wanted it all Sali Hughes Pioneering magazine editor Helen Gurley Brown taught generations of women that it was their right to have it all -- a career, a family and great sex. Sali Hughes recalls the life of a fascinating woman. Helen Gurley Brown, creator of the Cosmopolitan magazine brand as we know it, died in Manhattan on August 13, aged 90. To many, she is the founding mother of women's magazine publishing and the woman who first put the concept of sex and single girls into the mainstream. Decades before Sex and the City and 50 Shades of Grey , and at a time when single women couldn’t even obtain a mortgage, Cosmopolitan was telling them to celebrate their unmarried status, demanding better sex, better orgasms and better men. But despite Gurley Brown's notoriety as the editor who invented sex talk for women, former U.K. Cosmo editor Sam Baker says it wrongly overshadows her passion for careers and financial independence for women. Right up until I left, she would still be sending editors notes, saying: 'I love what you’re doing, but more careers! Careers are so important!' Gurley Brown is credited with inventing the term having it all, a sentiment that endures to this day, if only in making women feel failures for not achieving her ultimate feminist goal. But what Gurley Brown arguably intended was for us to want more, to not have to choose between having a family and retaining our own identities, or between caring for our families and providing for ourselves. Don’t use men to get what you want in life -- get it for yourself, she often said. And she never suggested women use anything but hard graft to make it. Nearly every glamorous, wealthy, successful career woman you might envy now started out as some kind of schlepp. Self-made She was no exception. Gurley was born in Green Forest, Arkansas, to schoolteacher parents. Her father, Ira, went into politics soon after and moved his family to Little Rock. When Helen was 10, in 1932, he was killed in a freak elevator accident. Broke, at the tail-end of the Great Depression, her mother, Cleo, took her two daughters to Los Angeles, whereupon Helen's elder sister, Mary, contracted polio and never walked again. The family was uninsured and lost what little they had to Mary’s medical bills. Helen said much later: Why am I so driven? It seems logically to have derived from things that happened to me after my father died, but some of it must have been residual from very early. She cut short her education to go out to work to support her mother and sister (she remained obsessed with the importance of money management throughout her career). She became an advertising copywriter at a New York agency in the time of Mad Men and, within five years, was one of Manhattan’s most celebrated ad execs. She pitched a new magazine to Hearst publications and instead was offered the job of relaunching Cosmopolitan , where she remained for the next 32 years as editor. According to everyone who knew her, Gurley was girly. In stark contrast with the dour feminist anger she banned from Cosmopolitan when she successfully overhauled the ailing literary magazine in 1965, she revelled in her femininity. Her existing Manhattan corner office on the top floor of the Hearst building was pink, full of flowers and heavily accented with animal print. She described herself as neurotic, as plain (she saw herself as a champion of the unexceptional-looking woman, and an example of what they could achieve). Forever young She remained young at heart and obsessed with maintaining an appearance to match. Gurley Brown was still exercising for 45 minutes beside her desk at 85 years old, and was from a young age rarely without her custom-cut wigs and false eyelashes -- though as former employee Nora Ephron observed: It never quite comes together properly. An earring keeps falling off. A wig is askew. A perfect matched stocking has run. A relentless self-critic, Gurley Brown was a big fan of plastic surgery and claimed the only sick days of her 60-year career in order to undergo facelifts, a nose job, injections and various other nips and tucks, none of which she denied (she once even wrote a Cosmo feature on how to have great sex while wearing a hairpiece). She was known to weep at criticism or disagreements, and was regarded by some as emotionally incontinent (Whether it was group therapy or what, there’s nothing left inside Helen. It all comes out, her husband told Ephron). She believed in love and being sexually available to one’s partner. Through it all, her girlish sense of fun never left her. Gurley's marriage (at 37) to film producer David Brown marked the beginning of her most important personal and professional relationship, continued until his death in 2010. She called him 'Lambchop' and kept a photograph of him on her pinboard, next to
[FairfieldLife] Microsoft's last Window of hope
S T » Technology Microsoft's last Window of hope Deepa Kurup The past decade saw Microsoft Corporation, the company that two decades ago gave us the proprietary Windows operating system, take a nose dive — from being the market leader to losing out in one tech area after the other, search, social networking, email, music and mobility. A late entrant into the mobility game, where globally tablets have been replacing the good old personal computer, Microsoft's new operating system, Windows 8, is its last-ditch attempt at reclaiming the space it has yielded over the years to its tech rivals, Apple Inc. and Google Inc. This release, slated for October 26, represents a major rethink for the software major, one that acknowledges the tectonic shift in technological choice: from desktops, then laptops to tablets and smartphones. First impressions look good. At the Windows AppFest that Microsoft organised in Bangalore in an attempt to build traction around the upcoming release, Microsoft gave journalists a detailed demo of Windows 8. We tried out Windows on tablets as well as desktops, but the news is that there's no difference -- it's one OS that fits both (unlike Apple that has iOS and OS X, and Google that's building Chrome for netbooks and has Android for mobile). There's no doubt that the interfaces are slick, smooth and offer a lot of scope to organise. It's quite intuitive, and going by what they show of the user experience, it's an attempt to blur the line between the traditional desktop and tablet experience. It is packed with new features and, understandably, there's a learning curve, but it is all quite interesting. The main feature of the new look is that the entire user interface is arranged into neat tiles. These tiles, that are grouped together (you can change the grouping to suit your usage style) represent different services and applications. This interface resembles Metro, its Windows Phone interface where it is called 'Live Tiles'. Under the tiles you can view live updates for each of your services. The other big-ticket technological offering is integration with the cloud and social media. The Microsoft executive giving the demo spent a lot of time on photo-sharing features, and on how the new feature set makes updating or connecting with friends on multiple social networks or email clients easy. At the media interactions, top India leaders described the product as a radical game-changer. One of them even compared it to Windows 95, which introduced 32-bit computing to home PCs and represented a generation shift in computing. While techies at Microsoft are visibly excited, the hard truth is that Microsoft needs this product to succeed not only in order to remain relevant but also to resuscitate its market value. In July this year, Microsoft reported its first quarterly loss, a net loss of $492 million. This is the first time the corporation saw net profits dip after it went public in 1986. While some of this had to do with the grim market environment, a lot of this is expected given that personal computer sales have been stagnant for a few years now, and registered a decline in recent quarters. Analysts have also been harping on that unless Microsoft comes up with a product that's a real game-changer, it can barely hope to catch up with its adversaries. Microsoft also hopes that the new touch-friendly product will make some impact among enterprise clients, where its major revenues lie. Slip-on keyboard? It's also being widely reported that tablets being shipped with Windows 8 are planning on offering snap-on keyboards. This will mark a shift from the 'touch-only' approach to computing, and several hardware biggies including Samsung, HP and Acer are set to do this. Tablet makers perhaps hope that this add-on could wean consumers away from Apple's iPad, which remains a market leader in this segment. This detachable keyboard, which was part of the demo equipment shown here, is sleek and goes well with the device design. Samsung's already demoed a new version of Slate, which runs on Windows 8 and will hit the market on the same date as Windows 8. This keyboard costs a little less than $ 100, which seems to be a good bargain for those who still struggle with typing on touch, or feel they'd like it if their tablets could double as more traditional computing devices.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Language Of Penis Envy
I think this is the 100th time Bariatric has made references to 'penis envy' and his other pet theme 'romantic homo-erotic' relationships, which he raps here again and again with regularity. --- Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh man, LOL..let this go Barry baby, you are coming off as more and more paranoid and delusional than ever. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:10 AM, turquoiseb no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: Since Susan and some others are occasionally entertained by the odd connections I make between things, here's another one for them. I was researching an article on new directions in psychotherapy, and as a result had to read some Freud. I've never quite been convinced of the validity of his theory of penis envy in women, but then I got to thinking about some of the language commonly used on this forum by Judy, Raunchydog, and Ann, and how interestingly it connects to Freud's penis envy theories. I'm not saying that Freud's theory is true, just that it's an interesting connection, doncha think? Women who stand up to Barry... Oh, it's just fun to puncture his arrogance. I've repeatedly made a point of explaining why I was doing so--to 'puncture his balloon'... I've been 'poking and prodding' him... ...once his demonizing diatribes have been thoroughly punctured... ...when she drills holes in your diatribes... *:-)*
[FairfieldLife] Getting India on track
Getting a nation on track Anu Kumar Anu Kumar tells the story of two unsung Britishers in the 19th century, whose efforts kicked off the railways in India. Imagining a world linked by a network of railway lines was well nigh impossible in the 19 century, but in 1850, an engineer called Rowland Macdonald Stephenson believed it entirely feasible. He wrote of a railway line that would run from London to Calcutta, reducing journey time to 10 days, with only two halts in between: One on the French side of the English Channel and the other at Dardanelles, the narrow strait off north-western Turkey. Not only that, Stephenson wrote of a railroad connecting Persia (Iran) through Afghanistan to Baluchistan, and still another that ran along Nepal, following the Eastern Himalayas, down the course of the Brahmaputra, to China and farther on. Stephenson's railway dreams began in 1841, when, as a 33-year-old engineer looking for prospects, he left London for Calcutta. Calcutta was the centre of the East India Company’s operations and to young men with initiative it held a world of opportunity. There were some who went to work in the native courts, others sought employment in the EIC, and then there were those with dreams and little finance, who, despite the backwardness of a new country, saw its potential as an arena for investment, for construction and manufacturing, and to support their arguments, they wrote that such moves would benefit a country like India. Among these men were railway promoters such as the one Stephenson became, and his contemporary, John Chapman. If the Orientalists discovered India for the west, the railway adventurers created it anew. Both were men shaped by the Industrial Revolution. By the 1840s though, railways in Britain had lost much of its way. In an age of laissez faire capitalism, companies had come up chaotically; lines were made haphazardly, people displaced. It's a story that has hardly been told. The line from Calcutta Once in Calcutta, Stephenson noticed that coal from Raniganj coalfields, near the present Bengal-Bihar border was transported to Calcutta in expensive slow-sailing country boats. The river Damodar had a circuitous route and was unpredictable in seasons of heavy rainfall. Stephenson instantly realised the possibilities of a railway line that could shorten costs and distance. He was supported by Indian merchant princes such as Dwarkanath Tagore and Mutty Ram Seal, yet his initial proposals were dismissed as wild. Not just the East India Company, its court of directors in London and the Board of Control of the British Parliament were equally dismissive. An undaunted Stephenson made a trial survey of the Ganga plain in 1844 with three assistants. That same year, he set up the East Indian Railway company to negotiate with the three government bodies that were always trying to scale down each other's terms, especially with regard to the guarantee. The latter would become a permanent feature of early rail construction of India, where shareholders were assured a minimum return on their capital by the government. Not really convinced about the efficacy of the railways, the EIC engaged its own engineer Frederick Walter Simms, to tour the country in 1846, in just the manner Stephenson had. Simms’ report confirmed the railways were possible in India but being understandably circumspect about its ultimate prospects, he suggested that an experimental line be built first: one running from Allahabad to Kanpur or from Calcutta to Barrackpore. This was in keeping with the current view, still largely sceptical about the railways in India. Stephenson for his part remained certain that railways in India would in time prove a commercial success. Already native merchants travelled extensively with their goods, many had gomashtas (agents) in the main cities of Bombay and Calcutta. Pilgrim traffic too would sustain the railways and lastly, if India had good infrastructure, such as the railways would ensure, it could produce almost anything. His arguments paid off. In 1847, an agreement was signed for the EIR to build its line from Calcutta to Ranigunj. It would soon stretch on towards Delhi via Mirzapore. All the equipment and building materials including chairs, fish-plates, pins, bolts and even iron for building bridges were shipped from England to Calcutta via the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa, for the Suez Canal would open only in 1869. A lot of the ironwork for construction was stolen during the revolt of 1857. There were other hazards when a cholera epidemic in late 1859 claimed the lives of hundreds of labourers and their British supervisors. His Indian railway dream fulfilled in large measure, Stephenson moved on to China. In 1864, he was commissioned by Jardine, Matheson and Company, a trading body that had made its fortune from the opium trade, to plan a railway network for
[FairfieldLife] Science, the ultimate iconoclast on Earth
Home Magazine Science, the ultimate iconoclast on Earth By A Sarwar, 13th July 2012 09:09 AM The Earth is not the centre of the universe More than 400 years ago, when Copernicus proposed that the sun and other planets do not revolve around the earth, it changed man’s perception of the Universe and his place in it. Fellow scientists confounded Copernicus's theory as patently absurd. It would take several generations to sink in. Galileo's telescope made things worse: when he provided evidence for the heliocentric theory, fellow scientists were profoundly upset by the revelations: craters on a supposedly perfectly spherical moon, other moons circling Jupiter. Galileo was condemned as a heretic by the Catholic church. Found guilty of heresy, Galileo lived out the rest of his days in house arrest. We may be in the midst of a mass extinction right now Dinosaur bones are quaintly wonderful when seen in a museum. But knowing that paleontologists have identified five points in Earth's history when many reasons — asteroid impact, volcanic eruptions and atmospheric changes are the main — have caused mass extinctions and destroyed many or most species is frightening. Many biologists say we're in the midst of a sixth great extinction, the earliest victims being mastodons. The continental migration of human beings eliminated animal populations that had thrived for millions of years — mastodons in North America, giant kangaroos in Australia, dwarf elephants in Europe. More continue to disappear. Things that taste good are bad for you Its probably the world's longest scientific study. In 1948, more than 5,000 residents of Framingham, Massachusetts, participated in the Framingham Heart Study to evaluate cardiac risk factors. Now the grandchildren of the original subjects have been enrolled. It is this study that is indirectly responsible for diets, exercise and organic food: painstaking epidemiological studies have shown that risk of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer and other health problems increases with consumption of delectable food. Steak, salty French fries, eggs Benedict, paranthas, oily curries and many rich desserts are killers. This is because human taste preferences evolved during times of want when our hunter-gatherer ancestors would consume as much salt and fat and sugar as possible. The microbes will eventually win If there were no antibiotics and vaccines, the human race would be dying because of diseases like smallpox and influenza. But what’s scary is some microbes are evolving faster than our ways to fight them. New viruses migrate from animals to humans — ebola from apes, SARS from masked palm civets, hantavirus from rodents, bird flu from birds, swine flu from swine. The return of tuberculosis is worrying; some strains developed multi-drug resistance. It kills, even in the 21st century. Memory is farce and fact Freud's theory is that most of our behaviour as well as many of our beliefs and emotions are driven by factors we are unaware of. The weather makes you feel happy and optimistic or gloomy and sullen: sunny days make people happier and more obliging. In a taste test, the first sample you taste will be the favourite, even if all the samples are identical. Smell dictates mating decisions. We are subject to cognitive failings: a few anecdotes are enough to make incorrect generalisations; information is misinterpreted to support preconceptions, and irrelevant factors that catch our fancy distract us and or sway decisions. Memories, even flashbulb memories — the ones that feel as though they've been burned into the brain — are really stories the mind tells itself afresh each time we recall an event. Many psychologists find even detailed memories to be surprisingly inaccurate. Einstein was bad for humans Einstein’s equation may have changed the world of physics, but the byproduct became one of the most frightening things for the human race — the nuclear race. The power explained by the equation rests in the c²—or the speed of light (186,282 miles per second) times —which equals 34,700,983,524. Using multiplier, very little mass — a pinch of plutonium — is enough to create energy needed to annihilate a whole city. We're just a new primate species kind of ape. It's the most unflattering discovery about the human race. Understanding nature and appreciating its variety and power may be what makes us special, but it also made us realise that humans are merely a recent variation of the primate. Our abstract thought capability may be better than that of the apes, but we don’t have the strength of the gorilla, and can't swing along treetops except for Tarzan. The theory of evolution which upset the Church came about during Charles Darwin's travels on the Beagle. From 151 years ago, when On the Origin of Species was published, biology, geology, genetics, paleontology, chemistry and physics support his
[FairfieldLife] Amrita Ashram targeted
Who targets Amrita Ashram? By S Gurumurthy, 12th September 2012 09:09 AM Indeed a disgusting story — a concerted, converging attempt to tarnish Mata Amritanandamayi Ashram in Kerala by demonstrable lies and falsehoods. Amma as Mata Amritanandamayi is affectionately known is not just a Hindu spiritual lighthouse. She is a power house of service to people that has grown to unbelievable heights. Before unfolding the despicable story, here is a helicopter view of this mighty spiritualised social service, all accomplished, believe it, in just a decade or thereabouts — and that is precisely what seems to have made Amma and the Ashram the target. The Ashram has built and handed over more than 25,000 houses till 2002 to the poor and needy, with plans to build, and building, another 100,000 — a scale that governments will not dare. It has undertaken massive disaster relief in Bihar Kosi floods (2008), earthquake in Kashmir (2005), Katrina hurricane in New Orleans in the US (2005), Mumbai floods (2005), Tsunami in India, Sri Lanka and Indonesia (2004), Kumbakonam school fire (2004) and Gujarat earthquake (2001). It has donated $1 million for relief and rehabilitation after Tsunami in Japan last year, apart from offering services in quake-hit Haiti. The Ashram has also set up an orphanage in Kenya. The Ashram has built a huge university — the Amrita University — that has tie-up with 25 leading American universities, including the Yale, Harvard and Princeton universities. It is one of the seven from Asia in the 16-member consortium of European Union Educational Initiative funded by the European Commission. The Ashram runs three engineering institutes as 'technological gurukulas'; its Coimbatore technical institute campus has installed India's supercomputer, Param. It runs the Amrita School of Business ranked 17th among the top private B-Schools in India aligning management education with Sanatana Dharma; a school of education to train teachers; a school of media studies and communication. Its medical institute at Kochi in Kerala — a 1,400-bed huge super speciality medical facility manned by 200 doctors qualified from the best medical institutes all over the world — is ranked as the eighth best professional medical colleges in India. It also runs an Ayurvedic college; a dental college; a college of nursing; a pharmaceutical college; four colleges of arts and sciences; a medical research institute; a nanosciences centre, with acute researches in molecular biology, bioinformatics, human genetics, immunology, hemopoesis, stem cells, cancer, cell signalling, neurosciences; and a research lab engaged in core areas of computing and communication with the MHRD, DST, DIT, DBT and DRDO as research partners and more than 50 industry partners and ranked as one of the largest supercomputer clusters in the world. The list is still not complete. All this have happened and continue to happen because of one true spiritual soul whose magnetism has lured thousands of young men and women as monks, celebates and volunteers, to serve the needy. See how this great institution is targeted by lies and falsehoods by hands and minds that just wield a pen or a mike. Now it all started on August 1, 2012, around noon. When Amma was giving dharshan to her devotees, suddenly, a bearded man in dhoti, with no shirt, ran through the dharshan hall, pushing all out of his way. Yelling Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim, he shockingly removed his dhoti, scaled up the stage in his underwear only and was just three feet from Amma, when the devotees surrounded to protect her. The police team stationed at the Ashram since an attempt on Amma in 2005, immediately apprehended the man and took him into custody. Even as the police led him to its van, he continued to shout Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim. He was a stranger, never seen in the Ashram ever. The police video shows him walking and climbing on to the police van on his own. Since he was bare-bodied, there was not a scratch on his front or back, both visible on the video. Anyone can see the dramatic episode, captured in security cameras. The police registered the Ashram's complaint as FIR. He was therefore in police custody from around noon on August 1, 2012. Later it became known that he was one Satnam Singh from Bihar. A shocking news appeared that, on August 4, Satnam died of severe injuries in police custody. His cousin, Vimal Kishore, a reporter in Aaj Tak channel in Delhi, addressed a press meet on August 5. The transcript of his interview showed Vimal Kishore as saying that he had visited Satnam in Karungappally police station sub-jail cell on August 2. Kishore said: And at that time, as I had seen him in underwear only, there were no marks on his body. Not a single mark! And today [August 5], which I had seen, there are around 30, 35 marks on his body. He was beaten by a rod, I think-hot rod. Maybe it's a matter
[FairfieldLife] From the Ruins of Empire
Pankaj Mishra's new book, From the Ruins of Empire, which challenges Western narratives of the 'white man's burden', has been raising hackles in the West and in India. Such reactions are pointers to an existing imbalance in cultural and political power, he tells Tabish Khair. Excerpts from a conversation. Pankaj Mishra is not a stranger to controversy, but his new book, From the Ruins of Empire, has been met with a barrage of criticism, implicit and explicit, from not just right-wing circles in the West but also from some British authors who cannot be described as right wing. Of course, there have been very positive reviews too: Piers Brendon's review in the Literary Review states that the book incisively anatomizes what Orwell called the 'slimy humbug' of the white man's burden. In another review, John Gray bestows unstinted praise on the book as 'an assault on false consciousness and self-deception in both east and west'. On the other hand, right-wing and conservative reviewers have attacked the book for being a 'polemic' and not seeing the (mostly) 'good sides' of the British Empire. One complex example of this reaction was provided by the historian Dominic Sandbrook, who reviewed it for the Sunday Times: Sandbrook is known for his belief that the British Empire was a 'beacon for tolerance, decency, and the rule of law'. More interestingly, the British novelist, Philip Hensher, who cannot be considered politically right-wing, was also evidently upset by the book: in the Spectator, he dubbed it 'disappointingly blinkered'. Among other things, Hensher critiqued Mishra's account of the Jallianwala Bagh massacre for underplaying British fair-handedness (because, after all, the British officer in charge 'was suspended') and accused him of being soft on Chairman Mao. TK - In your new book, From the Ruins of Empire, you discuss people like Al Afghani, who are considered by many to be the intellectual progenitors of today's Islamism. How can you justify that? PM - I think there is no reason for us to bring to Islamism or political Islam the fear and ignorance of Western commentators and their hysterical vocabulary. Islamism itself is such a broad and nearly meaningless word as used by the mainstream Western press, including everything from Turkey's AKP party to al Qaeda. Al-Afghani was a very complex figure, who manifested many political tendencies from pan-Islamism to Hindu-Muslim unity we saw later in South Asia and West Asia. And his disciples ranged from Saad Zaghlul, the Egyptian nationalist, James Sanua, the Jewish playwright, to Rashid Rida, the inspiration for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. My book shows, too, how overtly Islamic movements grew under the lash of European imperialism, which made the more liberal and secular forms of anti-colonial nationalism look impotent. TK - But then, can’t this also be said of what is now known as Hindutva in India as a broad movement with similar 19th century roots? PM - Up to a point, but then we can't claim Aurobindo, who I quote at some length in my book, as the predecessor of Praveen Togadia. There is a huge difference between the anti-colonial nationalism of 19th century Hindu activists and thinkers and the business-friendly Chief Minister of Gujarat who desperately wants a visa to the U.S. I think there is a serious problem with the history of ideas, which I have tried to avoid, when it starts connecting apparently similar movements and ideologies without regard to specific political contexts. TK - I am struck by the responses to your book in the British right-wing press, all of which describe you as a mere 'polemicist'. They also see your book as a response to Niall Ferguson, though obviously you conceived and wrote it long before your piece on him appeared. PM - I am actually relieved to see these kinds of responses, because they accurately reflect the GREAT imbalance of power in the intellectual as well as political realm what the Asian voices in my book describe and protest against. For a long time, Western histories simply suppressed non-western perspectives nobody cared what the 'native' thought. But even today, the benignly universalist West creates the standards of judgement, and the historian at the imperial metropole of course writes the truly objective and coolly rational history. And the non-westerner challenging it with other perspectives is prone to be described and discredited as no more than a polemicist (The word is usual preceded by a damning adjective like 'left-wing' and 'angry'). In this 'universalist' and 'cosmopolitan' perspective from the West, the parochial-minded native always responds and reacts, he doesn't initiate anything or have original thoughts, let alone a history, of his own. But, you know, it is getting too late for this kind of ideological trickery. TK - Which brings us to your famous
[FairfieldLife] Narcopolis - The Secret History of Bombay
Jeet Thayil's 'Narcopolis' was nominated for the Man Booker longlist of 12 books. | EPS Jeet Thayil's 'Narcopolis' has an astonishing prologue. Titled, 'Something for the mouth', it is one long sentence that goes on for six-and-a-half pages. I was trying to reproduce the effects of an opium-induced dream, says Thayil. It is an open-ended kind of experience. How do you approximate that in language? You cannot do it in a short declarative Hemingwayesque type of sentence. It has to be long, multi-layered and simultaneous. 'Narcopolis' is about Mumbai in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s. Thayil spent several years there, in opium dens and in the shadowy underworld, where all sorts of characters can be found, including Dimple, a eunuch, an acclaimed painter Newton Xavier, and Chinese businessman Mr Lee. Interestingly, in the novel, the scene suddenly shifts from Mumbai to China, for about 70 pages. There is a reason why that happens, says Thayil. The secret history of Bombay is that its fortunes were built on opium. Between 1800 and 1840, about half a dozen Parsi ship owners got together with the British East India Company and shipped thousands of tonnes of opium to China, and turned a generation into addicts. And that money made Bombay the financial capital that it is today. All those Parsi ship owners later went on to build highways, roads, hospitals and art colleges. People have forgotten that, originally, the Parsis made their money by being drug dealers. People have also forgotten how Mumbai was like earlier. In the 1980s, it was a beautiful, laid-back, liberal and liberating sort of place, says Thayil. There was a sense of freedom in the air, but that has gone completely. Today, it is a tense place, and that isn't because of the traffic, the noise or the huge press of people. Thayil blames the Shiv Sena and the Hindu Right Wing for making Mumbai a fraught place, full of anxiety and fear. They have pitted community against community, he says. Much of the conversation that people used to have earlier one cannot have now because you have to be aware of the religious community that the person belongs to. Thayil admits that 'Nacropolis', is semi-autobiographical. A lot of the information is factual because I was part of that society for many years, he says. I fell into it by accident and was seduced by the romance of it. I had never seen anything like it before. (Incidentally, Thayil grew up in Hongkong, studied in New York and came to India only when he was 18.) Thayil, of course, paid a price for the access. He was a drug addict and alcoholic for 20 years. Looking back, it was a colossal waste of my life, he says. But he is clean now and his writing career is taking off. 'Nacropolis', which took him five years to write, has made waves. Just a few days ago, it was nominated for the Man Booker longlist of 12 books. This list was made from an initial batch of 145 books. In September, a further short-list of six books will be announced. Meanwhile, Thayil has been on a global tour promoting the book. He has been to South Africa, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Italy, the United Arab Emirates and all over India. I am going to Brisbane, Edinburgh, Hongkong, Singapore, The Hague and Dubai in the next few months, he says. newindianexpress.com/cities/kochi/article577897.ece By Shevlin Sebastian / ENS - KOCHI 28th July 2012 08:28 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Patriot Day
Barry2 is usually a sensible guy. But the fact that he dosen't believe that 9/11 happened is very much like Ahmednutjob stating that he dosen't believe that the Holocaust ever happened. --- Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: You freaking idiot! Everybody knows Elvis did it! From: Bhairitu noozguru@... Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 12:05 PM I was looking at my calendar a few days back and notice a holiday or red date on it for today. It was titled Patriot Day. I didn't know that the 11th of September now has an official day attributed to it. With what the government has done in the name of protecting us it should be called Treasonist Day. As you know I never bought the official story of 9-11. I don't believe it was done by a pack of Arab terrorists armed with box cutters and who couldn't even fly a Cessna right. But I also don't believe the government was totally behind it. Instead I believe that factions of the military industrial complex in conjunction with some members of the military and government and even a certain foreign power had something to do with it. After all, what would Islamic terrorists have to gain from such an attack? They would have reasoned that what such an attack would have brought the US military down on their heads and indeed that happened. Just look at all the money the military industrial complex has made since 9-11. Billions upon billions and probably such an attack with it's collateral damage would be justifiable in their minds for all that money. After all they deal in the business of murder. Besides they had the money to have think tanks design such an attack without knowing what they were doing (like telling them that they needed the scenario to figure out some defensive gear against them). Plus how convenient to have a military exercise on that day to confuse things. There is a lot of conflicting evidence over 9-11. WTC 7 which was not hit by any plane yet brought down apparently by internal explosives. The crash pattern of flight 93 which doesn't make sense either and even first reported brought down by members of the Happy Hooligans, a military flight group. And then with all the video cameras around the Pentagon and footage from private company cameras in that area confiscated why do we have only one brief video of the supposed airliner flying into the building. Even that looks more like a missile than some jet. I have a cousin that was working in the hit section of the Pentagon but he was told to work at home that day due to remodeling of that section. Dr. Gary Null had a great show this morning on 9-11 on his Progressive Radio Network. You can download the podcast here: http://www.prn.fm/ And of course Alex Jones (who sounds more like a meditator noticing how large segments of the public seem ignorant anymore, hey, maybe he's enlightened) has a show you can download at http://www.infowars.com/ . Alex is focusing on a lot of evidence that is not speculation but factually reported. So anyway have a happy Patriot Day and go get yourself groped by the TSA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Open Letter Apology From Barry Wright
Actually, it's Barry's way of saying, All hands to battle-stations, this is not a drill. All hands to battle-stations, this is not a drill. Red alert, Judy alert, Red alert, Judy alert... --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: LOL! Nailed it! --- awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: There have been two apology letters written just today from two of the higher-profile posters here at FFL Judy and Robin. Well, the hell with that. I too want to make my indelible mark with regard to apologizing. And here it is, so pay attention folks as I'm only going to say this once. I, Barry Wright, will never write an apology letter here at FFL. And not only that, I am going to tell you ten reasons why. 1) I am Barry Wright. 2) Apologizing is for sissies. And in case you hadn't noticed, I ain't no sissy. I am the counterpoint to all that is sissy on this planet. 3) I am an experienced spiritual seeker who has spent years of my life devoting myself to a range of spiritual teachers. I gave my life to the pursuit of the high and holy. In the end I discovered there is no holy and high refers only to the result of drinking too much Dutch beer. So, I am realized, I know many things, more than any of you so why would I need to apologize to the ignorant masses? (Pass me another beer peon.) 4) I am never wrong or hurtful. If you think you are hurt by what I have said I was only pushing your buttons. If you are offended or traumatized it is your fault. It has nothing to do with me. So why should I take any responsibility for your pain or confusion for having merely moved my finger and pressed your switch? 5) You all bore me. To death. If anything, you should all apologize to me. I am the one having to suffer through all of your interminable posting and long-winded or, in most cases, stupid ideas. In fact, I have incurred so much merit just tolerating the rest of you bores that I get an automatic You never have to apologize to anyone golden ticket. 6) I have been unjustly the victim of craziness. For example, pure, unadulterated bat-shit, loony-tune old hags and has-been or never-was ex-cult leaders have pursued me at FFL. I have endured some of this for almost two decades. Again, I realize as I write this that it is all of you who owe me the apology as this has been relentless and totally unwarranted. 7) I am by far the most interesting poster here. My range of interests and subject matter encompass great scope. I add such variety and insight with my commentary and wit. If it wasn't for me you would all just remain so damn dumb. I am your cultural beacon. Just because of that I need never apologize, I am too valuable on this forum. 8) I am Barry Wright (and this counts twice, at least). 9) I have a magnificent sense of the inherent significance of any post without actually reading it. I can sense it. It is in my bones and in my blood. I can tell that 90% of what is written here is not worth a moment of my time or attention. For this reason alone I will never have to apologize. 10) I will never apologize because I do not understand what good could possibly come from doing so. Because it would make me look weak and in order to apologize I would have to realize and see that I had done something hurtful or untrue to someone else. I mean, what could I possibly gain from admitting I was wrong or am not infallible? Only losers apologize. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the bottom line on all this insanity should be given to the two people causing most of it: APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just having a bad night, after realizing the truth about myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing all this just got me down, that's all, so I made up some shit about you. Sorry. - Robin W. Carlsen APOLOGY FROM JUDY: Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I'm a bat shit crazy old woman with nothing going on in my life and it really, really, really gets my panties in a twist to see anyone liking or supporting anyone I've spent years telling them that they shouldn't like. When that happens I see red and go a little crazier than usual, because it reminds me what an
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Noblest Aspiration I Can Imagine
Granted that humility was never exactly one of TM-org's strong points nor was MMY's. The main complaint by people like Vaj and few others is that these kind of cults create a huge ego in the sadhaka by telling them that this is the best path and they have the highest and most noble goals. They also create a prejudice in the minds of Sadhakas who fail to appreciate other valid alternate paths and ways of life. Their mind becomes rigid and dogmatic. However, please note that all organised religions on this planet are also guilty of this. If Maharishi had taught a number of different meditations techniques, Judy would be on the forum defending all them as the best and highest and the truest path. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Having rapped once this morning about the concept so often pushed out by TM and TMers of it/them being The Best, I thought I'd balance things somewhat and rap about another concept. As much as I may appreciate people whose aspiration -- like Olympic athletes -- is to become The Best at something, I'm personally just not drawn that way. In both spiritual pursuits and more mundane ones, I'm more attracted to folks who have learned the quiet joys of being ordinary. I just did an Amazon Look inside this book search of Maharishi's The Science of Being and Art of Living, looking for instances of a word. I got zero results. None. Nada. Bupkus. This doesn't surprise me, because in the many years I studied with him, I can't recall him having ever used the word in any talk or lecture. But if you think about it, that *should* be a bit surprising, because this word is the *basis* of many other spiritual teachings and traditions. They give whole talks devoted to this word and concept. They write whole books about it. Much of their daily practice is devoted to achieving it. The word is humility. The dictionary defines humility as The quality or state of being humble. Looking up humble, it is defined as Not proud or haughty; reflecting or expressing a spirit of deference. The Dalai Lama, in one of his talks on this subject, has said, Any sense of conceit or self-importance gets in the way of cultivating the genuine altruistic intention, and the most effective remedy against this is the cultivation of humility. Isn't it interesting that the quality that Buddhism considers one of the noblest and most altruistic intents one could have, so much so that it's considered a remedy for its opposite, self importance, is something that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi didn't even feel was worth mentioning? Different strokes for different folks, eh? Anyway, I'm a big fan of humility, in the sense of realizing one's ordinariness and *lack* of self importance. This, to me, is a portal that leads to the ability to better empathize with one's fellow human beings. And that, of course, leads to the ability to be more of service to them. There are a few folks here on Fairfield Life who I think -- based on the things they write -- get humility. You see it in the way they describe the people on the street they interact with (think Curtis and Marek) and you see it in the things they aspire to or fail to aspire to (think Xeno and some others, who have given up the one-pointed pursuit of enlightenment in favor of the pursuit of just living a fun or meaningful life). Then there are others, who *don't* seem content with being ordinary. We've been told here that the highest goal in life is to aspire to becoming enlightened. Or to create world peace by being so important that the very thud of your buttocks on slabs of foam creates world peace. Call me crazy, but I don't see a lot of humility in these aspirations. I also don't see a lot of happiness and fulfillment in the people who pursue them. It's as if they're never satisfied. There's this carrot dangling somewhere on the end of a stick in front of them, and they won't allow themselves to be truly happy until they've grabbed it. Sounds like a dumb way to live one's life to me. Some people need big, enormous, ostentatious and above all IMPORTANT goals in life. Enlightenment. World peace. I like people who have more humble goals, like just trying to be as happy as they can in their daily lives, and trying to do as much as they can to help the people they personally interact with every day to be a little happier themselves. Those goals sound just fine to me; I don't see why anyone would need loftier ones. But then I have listened to a lot of songs by Bruce Cockburn, a guy who gets humility, too. His lyrics and his way of looking at things may have warped me. When he sings verses like the following, I get the feeling he's actually onto something: To be one more voice in the human choir Rising like smoke from the mystical fire Of the heart Not the voice. Not even the lead singer. Just one more voice. Now that's humble.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mankind makes another giant leap.
--- oxcart49 no_reply@ wrote: snip It would be interesting to take a few of FFL's testosterone hillbillies and shoot them through the Hadron Collider and see if any mass comes out of their matter. Judy, I don't know if you are being unfair to Barry, after all how much mass does Barry have or does it matter? --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: Well, I'm no expert, but Wikipedia has a good article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryogenesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryogenesis As I understand it, scientists think the Total Baryon Number should be 0, but obviously it isn't. Recent studies show that 'anti-particles' decay slightly faster than 'particles'. watchconlines.com/2011/09/parallel-universes-joanne-hewett.h tml http://www.watchconlines.com/2011/09/parallel-universes-joanne-hewett.h\ tml The experiment deals with decay, not annihilation. Seeing that 'anti-B mesons' decay more quickly than 'B mesons', we infer that the 'anti-b quarks' decay into 'anti-c quarks' more quickly than 'b quarks' decay into 'c quarks'. That is, in this instance (as in the case of K mesons), the antimatter particle decays more rapidly than its matter counterpart. We can't measure the decay rates of 'b quarks' and 'anti-b quarks' directly because quarks are only observable in color-neutral particles, so we must observe these particles in their decay to determine the decay of these quarks.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relationships: master-disciple or guru-groupie? to RDog
--- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I remember the first time someone told me that Ron Paul follows the ideas of Ayn Rand. I thought, oh yeah? What is his stand on abortion? I knew that Rand would be pro choice so I often wondered about the Republican's liking of her. I suspected that they picked and chose from among her ideas. They did. Plus, what they chose, they distorted for political purposes. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: True, politicians do pick and choose from Rand's ideas. Problem is the ideas they pick suit the purposes of unregulated free markets at the expense of everyone else. Most politicians now serve the interests of global corporations who own and saturate the media with Libertarian propaganda so that people will fear the government and vote against their own best interests. --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Anyone who is anti abortion is by definition not a Randian. Anyone who is a racist is by definition not a Randian. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: True. --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Anyone who wants favors, tax or otherwise, for a select few is not a Randian. A flat tax ain't so fair either. --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Anyone who believes in government subsidies for business is not a Randian. Seems to me free market Libertarians are on the same page as Rand here. They don't believe in much government for anything, period. --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: She believes in freedom for everyone, not simply for the elite. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Yep. Everyone is free to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps. Trouble is, the elites own all the boots. --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Rational self interest, as I understand it, is benevolent towards all life forms. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: In a perfect world where everyone is naturally altruistic and doesn't have a greedy bone in his or her body, Rand's vision of rational self interest might have some legs. On a practical level, not so much. --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: RD, I sense this is a topic on which we will not agree. Actually one of the most insightful comments about Ayn Rand was from my former mother in law. She said about Rand, She's so far to the right, she's actually on the left. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: You're probably right we won't agree but it's fun playing and I appreciate your thoughts on the topic. Since no one else seems interested in this thread, I'll make one last point by posting this video and you can choose to respond or not. http://youtu.be/JMdfptJ_XA4 Latest Comments (viewers) All one need do is to read Ayn's notes from her journal for themselves to discover the truth of the matter. Hickman the sadist was of no interest to her. The portion of him that acted as the state, doing what was in his best interest provided the germ of an idea for a protagonist. TYT would do well to carefully investigate the source material in the future. However, I'm not holding my breath as this is patently a smear piece. She's just permanently pissed off because her sister emigrated back to the Soviet Union. Obvious hit job. Cenk miss-characterizes Rand's philosophy (even though he says it's simple, it must not be for him because he obviously doesn't understand it), and he doesn't give the whole story on Rand wanting to use Hickman as a template for one of the characters in a book she never published. Rand actually said she wanted her book's character to be a Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. If you're such an honest reporter and commentator, Cenk, why didn't you mention that? Two wrongs don't make a right dude. Cenk is right as far as Rand's schema being a watered-down version of Nietzsche. Ayn Rand is admiring the personality of psychopathy. Read Robert Hare and his psychopathy checklist. Its very comparable to the qualities Rand bestows upon her concept of the superman (another concept taken from Nietzsche). Of course leftists never idolize murderers and sociopaths. Why, I doubt you could even get a T-shirt with Che Guevara's image on it. if you look at places where there's more capitalism (such as hong kong), you will see that it's in those places that poor people have the best chance of becomming wealthy. It's not the wealth gap that has been a problem, the death of nations usually comes from
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mankind makes another giant leap.
--- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Higgs boson discovery: now the real work begins --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Subtext: Send money. :-) --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: Oh, how funny. Barry believes this research is funded by charitable contributions. As usual, Bariatric has simply no clue to what he is talking about. His views of Science as another 'ism' is similar to a Christian fundi's view of science. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Call me crazy, but so much money and so many reputations seem to be riding on discovering this badly-named God particle that part of me is wondering whether science forty years from now is going to look back on all this hoopla as our era's Piltdown Man pile-on. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_man
[FairfieldLife] Cat-ladies develop psychiatric problems
Cat ladies develop psychiatric problems. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9371006/Cat-ladies-more-likely-to-commit-suicide-scientists-claim.html
[FairfieldLife] Cat ladies develop psychiatric problems
Cat ladies develop psychiatric problems http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/327953
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relationships: master-disciple or guru-groupie?
--- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Mainly, what I'm referring to are techniques for how to deal gracefully with fleeting emotions that come up during each day. Some of these emotions are positive, and some are negative. The basic theory is that *indulging in* the neg- ative emotions is *destructive*. The afflictive emotions are seen as TOXIC. Anger, greed, jealousy, hatred, envy, etc. all have easily-recognizable physiological symptoms, they all have easily-recognizable psychological symptoms, and they're all poisonous as hell. They trash your overall mindstate and bring it down to lower levels. The longer you indulge in one of these afflictive emotions, the more damage you do to your body and your mind. --- nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Very true. Which makes one wonder how much damage 40 years of hating the TMO does to a person. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Nabby, the hate is from your side, projected onto others. YOU, after all, are the one who has spent 540+ posts in the last six years ragging on subjects you know nothing about -- Buddhism, Buddhists, and the Dalai Lama (or as you prefer, the Dolly Lama). YOU perceive every criticism of Maharhishi or the TMO as hatred, when in fact much of the criticism is justified. Personally, I consider no one in the TMO -- alive or dead -- to be worthy of hatred, or even continued dislike. I've merely been around the spiritual block a few times, and think that those who haven't should hear a different perspective than they get *within* the TMO. So, obviously, did Rick, or he wouldn't have created this forum. Shall we count the number of times you've ranted about Rick, and predicted his long stay in Hell? You seem to hate *him*, too. Pointing out that the TM organization is far from as important as its internal PR claims, and that its founder had not only feet of clay, but possibly an entire lower body of clay is not hatred. It's waking up and smelling the coffee. Oh, I forgot. You hate coffee, too. :-) What I think the problem is, Nabby, is over-identification. You *identify* with Maharishi, and with TM and with other silly things such as crop circles and saviors that never show up SO much that when anyone says anything less than reverent about them, YOU go a little ballistic. You mis- take the criticism of these people and organizations and things as criticism of YOU. So you get your buttons pushed. Have you noticed that the Buddhists on this forum you have devoted yourself to trashing...uh...don't. Some of them -- like myself -- aren't even Buddhists, but the ones who are just laugh at you and your Dolly Lama rants. The reason is that they *don't* overidentify with any ism and get their buttons pushed when it is criticized. You DO. Doesn't that give you a kind of clue as to where the anger and hatred you seem to see everywhere is *coming from*? Hint: it's not coming from outside of yourself. Yeah, for a guy who often rants against the 'Corrector and her pips' it comes from outside, from the Brahmaloka. Pot calling the kettle black.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relationships: master-disciple or guru-groupie?
--- feste37 feste37@ wrote: Paul Ryan is the Randian Congressman. She provides him with the cover he needs to justify cruelty and selfishness. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Feste Share: Although Alan Greenspan, Ronald Reagan and most of his cabinet were Ayn Rand fanboys, she opposed Reagan's candidacy for his anti-choice position on abortion and, the appalling disgrace of his administration's connection with the so-called Moral Majority...who...with his approval...take us back to the Middle Ages, via the unconstitutional union of religion and politics. http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/ayn_rand_absolutely_hated_ronald_reagan/ Ayn Rand was an atheist, not that there's anything wrong with that, but it sure caused Paul Ryan some embarrassment with the religionists in his party. Recently, he saved his political neck in a statement to National Review saying, I reject her [Rand] philosophy. It's an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas. Don't give me Ayn Rand. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/paul-ryan-ayn-rand_n_1459098.html It's understandable that as a Catholic Republican, Ryan prefers certainty. He's an authoritarian personality who likes things spelled out for him by an authority. He marches around the halls of Congress in jackboots and I'm sure he steers clear of the Congressional Black caucus. Ryan sees it as his duty to assert what he believes is a moral and therefor justifiable philosophy into his politics. He will blindly follow Rand to the end of his days, even if there's ample proof that what once looked good in print doesn't work in real life. His adherence to *rules* whether Rand or Aquinas, of how things *ought* to be might explain the ruthlessness of his economic plan to strip Medicare from seniors. Ayn Rand had it right about the separation of church and state and pro-choice but there's a whole lot wrong with the main tenant of her philosophy, objectivism: Manevery manis an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life. http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_intro Raunchy, such extremes of ideology never works because nature functions within parameters. If every cell in the body starts working only for itself, it becomes a cancer cell. There is a delicate balance between the individual and the collective. This is how nature functions. This is how we evolved into societies and then into a civilisation in the first place. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Ayn Rand's rational self-interest is nothing more than selfishness loosely wrapped in philosophy. The Ron Paul Libertarians, Tea Party Yahoos, and rightwings, neo-fascist and racists, who believe in freedom for elites (i.e. states rights, gun rights) completely embrace Ayn Rand's notion of unregulated, laissez faire capitalism. In a Randian world the fix is in for the rich to get richer on the backs of the poor as anti-tax crusader, Grover Norquist drowns government in a bathtub. Thanks in part to Rand, the United States is one of the most uncaring nations in the industrialized world. Ayn Rand's philosophy is nearly perfect in its immorality, which makes the size of her audience all the more ominous and symptomatic as we enter a curious new phase in our society To justify and extol human greed and egotism is to my mind not only immoral, but evil. - Gore Vidal, 1961 http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/8958-ayn-rand-made-us-a-selfish-greedy-nation
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Stagirite Beats Up on The Veda and SCI
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: snip Please note that Robin's experience of being controlled by something else implies 'duality'. --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: Jason, you are *so* mixed up about what Robin has said, and about the nature of Unity Consciousness, that I don't even know where to begin. While he was in what he believes was Unity Consciousness, Robin experienced himself *as God*, *as the controller*. He had no experience of the human being Robin as having an individual identity. It's only in *looking back* on this experience after having de-enlightened himself--brought himself back to a normal state of functioning, as he sees it--that he perceived that his Unity Consciousness was created and controlled by negative intelligences. He was very clear about this in his reply to you: --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Read what he has written below. --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: You mean, the part I quoted from his post that shows how mixed up you are? He makes it clear that he was controlled by some intelligence. --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: That's right. Now read what I wrote again. He implied many times that he was not the controller as his below post suggests. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: By definition Unity Consciousness means the individual intention for one's actions does not start with oneself. It starts with cosmic intelligence. This was very much my experience. So, unless cosmic intelligence decided to make accomplishing the flying sidhi the criterion for Unity Consciousness; that is, cosmic intelligence, in a given moment decided to make someone fly through the flying sidhi, the mere demand that one prove one's enlightenment by being able to fly, well it is absurd. Because it suggests that one's behaviour becomes subject to the control and command of another person. Each and every action of some one who is enlightened is determined by cosmic intelligence, not individual intention separate from this cosmic intelligence. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: snip Finally, you must know, Jason, that I carry no sense of pride or accomplishment in looking back on having 'become enlightened'. In the case of myself, I believe this was only able to happen because of profound infirmities within me as a person, infirmities albeit I was completely unaware of. Enlightenment was a glorious experience, but I feel in the end I was just being mocked by the intelligences which had produced this different style of functioning (MMY).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Stagirite Beats Up on The Veda and SCI
--- emptybill emptybill@ wrote: snip Someone who continually accuses someone else by scathingly addressing them as being a you is an obsessed dualist by definition and anything they discuss (even if it appears rational) is just being used as a personal support for their fixation upon their own feeling of me in opposition to you. --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: Like this, you mean? Then you are just an old fuck - waiting to die. However, maybe you can get appointed to one of the British-like death panels that are inevitable. That way they won't vote so quickly that you too must lie down with the lambs on the gallow-gurnies just to liberate the 30 something from the yoke of your indulgence. No, what he meant is that Maharishi is the mother elephant and you are a baby elephant, who follows him nose to tail. Robin's posts generaly imply that he was controlled by some intelligence and not the other way around as you interpert. --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: Or this? Last time you couldn't even tell your own fortune - much less the fortune of someone else. Better go get a checking Herschmann - before you blunder down the same trails of your old buddies with their twisted-cross. Or this? Chaim you are grandstanding again. Is this your new Palace of the Occult? Are you still on that stage even here? guffaw Robins apes Maharishi's schema even when oppossing it but is laughingly (You meant to write laughably, I suspect.) ignorant about Shankara's Advaita. Non sequitur. Robin was a devotee of Maharishi, not of Shankara. As far as he was concerned MMY was the font of all wisdom concerning enlightenment. He's never mentioned Shankara's teaching or Advaita in any of his posts here (just in case you were hoping to mislead readers to believe he had made mistakes about Shankara's Advaita). You're running on empty, bill.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Stagirite Beats Up on The Veda and SCI
You like Belafonte? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzK3FBRczRo Banana boat and rum song. --- raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Hey, Em. How was the beach? Meet any cabana boys? http://youtu.be/c5QfXjsoNe4
[FairfieldLife] Re: This may be taking the Old Testament too far
It's basicaly developed for use as a painkiller. What does this got to do with old testament? --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: We all know that the God of the Old Testament was no fun, and judging from what He did to Sodom and Gommorrah, He wasn't into His creations having fun, either. But this may really be taking things too far: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/israel-highless-marijuana_n_1645488.html :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Stagirite Beats Up on The Veda and SCI
Sorry for the late reply, emptybill. I was off the grid for a week. Please note that Robin's experience of being controlled by something else implies 'duality'. Basic logic suggests that such a duality-like experience cannot be unity by any standards. I agree, it dosen't sound Advaitic. --- emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Jason As you seem to have learned in your inquiries, you can't take Robin's solipsistic hermeneutics too seriously. His framework for comparing Yoga/Vedanta/Eastern spirituality against some sort of quasi-neo-Thomism is myopic at best - although in actuality it is simply uninformed. I think even he does not take it too seriously except on this forum and then only for the purposes of argument. In this vein, Robin parrots Maharishi's schema, along with the assertion that he received MMY's grand imprimatur of Unity Consciousness. He then counter-poses this to the further claim that he renounced Unity Consciousness, all with the usual smack-downs of those o'-so-manipulative Eastern demons/angels/false gods. The whole parade is a caricature of good ol' Christian faith versus that cloaked mirage of Eastern demonology. Yep, no flailing ego here Jason just surrender to the L-a-r-d. Contrary to the usual claims, what Maharishi actually taught was a type of meditative phenomenology which he called Yoga or Vedânta but was fundamentally his own creation. Looked at more closely in this light, Robin's assertions demonstrate that he is uneducated about traditional Advaita and what it really asserts. Such is his Christian critique although Robin would probably do better if he would simply repeat the arguments of Catholic Answers Magazine. Please continue asking him questions it will be somewhat entertaining. That is as long as we can take endless minutes to wade through Robin's excessive discursiveness. Don't expect much however. In the end, he is just an ideologue which is the final admission that his own claims of enlightenment and dis-enlightenment were always fantasy interpretations about his sublime spiritual realization. So then so now. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Robin, the last supper ritual (eucharist) of breaking bread and wine is an ancient ritual that pre-dates christianity. Many ancient middle-eastern religions like Mitraism had this ritual and Christianity borrowed it from them and continued the practice as it's own. By the way, I wonder what did you actually learn when you were with Maharishi? You could elaborate on that. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Jason, Just so you don't misunderstand me: The Allied Bombing of Monte Cassino did not CAUSE anything to happen; it is just the event which marks off for mechronologically and approximatelywhen the universe was no longer the same. I have no idea whatsoever the precise moment when the Trinitarian God changed things up. I just know that he must have, because when I look at footage of the world before that event, it is a different kind of universe. I apprehend that difference as ontological. [It was about saving one's soul.] The personal God was present to his Creation; he ain't nowhere to be found now. Tolkien's description of the Eucharist makes no sense to me except that when he first experienced this sacrament the universe was set up so that he would apprehend this event in the way that forms his judgment of its significance, which he relates to his son. No one is getting any kind of experience from the Eucharist nowsince the ABMCwhich could account for what Tolkien says to his son. Tolkien after the ABMC just lived on the memory of that sacrament as he experienced it 'in the good old days'. Finally, you must know, Jason, that I carry no sense of pride or accomplishment in looking back on having 'become enlightened'. In the case of myself, I believe this was only able to happen because of profound infirmities within me as a person, infirmities albeit I was completely unaware of. Enlightenment was a glorious experience, but I feel in the end I was just being mocked by the intelligences which had produced this different style of functioning (MMY).That said, my experience of those on FFL who remain loyal to TM and Maharishi, indicates this remains a positive context for them. And I don't think the infirmity thing necessarily applies at all. I'll remember about the dung next time. Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Relationships: master-disciple or guru-groupie?
Share, thanks for the nice, polite, balanced and objective reply. Usually, Judy and Raunchy blast him as liar. Barry just has a different perception on this, thats all. Maybe the Org was like that 40 years ago and things have changed a lot. --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: From what you say here Barry, I'd guess that you've not spent much time in Fairfield recently. Having lived here for 24 years, I've seen hundreds of Fairfield TMers do selfless service so that their children can attend Maharishi School. Others help aging parents or debilitated spouses. Others have worked for MIU/MUM for decades at low wages and next to nothing in the usual benefits. Others devote hours of practice so that they can deliver an inspiring musical performance. Others, like Jeffrey Smith, dedicate themselves to a cause even at personal risk. He's a world renowned proponent of food that's free of GMOs. Others get involved in political issues, both local and global. Others have, for the past 6 years, spent 7 1/2 hours in the Domes every day to help create world peace. Yes, many of the aforementioned are compensated in one way or the other for their service. Perhaps that puts it outside your definition of service. Maybe we need a new definition of service, one that includes both selflessness and self full ness. And anyway, who from the outside can really judge whether a person's service is selfless or not? As for mindfulness and afflictive states, again I'd speak as someone who's lived in this TM community for the last 24 years. TMers seems to develop mindfulness spontaneously tho it's called by another name. As a result, many often express what I'll call life affirming states. And last but not least, even Maharishi has recommended favoring positivity tho it might take a little effort to do so. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Relationships: master-disciple or guru-groupie? --- Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I agree that selfless service can be a beautiful aspect of human life. Especially when it arises from fullness. My point is the opposite. I've seen several generations of TMers wait and wait and wait and wait for fullness so that they can act selflessly. They're still waiting. Meanwhile, those who actually go out and perform self- less service as a spiritual practice actually find fullness. What I'm suggesting is that Maharishi had it exactly backasswards. As for drama queenery (not sure this is a word) being a choice, I know for myself, I can be more reactive if I've eaten sugar. And in this regard, caffeine is definitely a no no. You have to remember that you're chatting with someone who believes that all of these things are just excuses for failing to keep one's afflictive emotions in check. Those who have never practiced mindfulness can talk all day about how they really can't keep their emotions under control, that they're due to things *beyond* their control ( like unstressing, or whatever ). But that's all it is, talk. And excuses. Those who have spent a little time in mindful- ness knows that there is simply NOTHING in the realm of emotions -- whether it be the positive ones or the negative, afflictive ones -- that is outside your control. Who would you rather spend your time with -- someone who con- stantly comes up with excuses for living like a drama queen, or someone who simply doesn't live like that, and thus has no need for excuses? The fascinating thing to me is that many TMers seem to have some kind of mental barrier against even hearing about mindfulness, much less practicing it, because they think it involves the dreaded E-word -- effort. It doesn't. Coming back to happier and more positive thoughts and emotions requires no more effort than coming back to the mantra in TM. If a TMer used to indulging in anger or any of the afflictive emotions just *waited long enough*, they'd effortlessly be able to come back to happier mindstates themselves. But some- where along the way they got convinced that they *have* to wait. They don't. The thing about mindfulness is that one gets better at it with practice, meaning that *the time it takes to RECOGNIZE that one is in one of the afflictive mindstates becomes shorter*. Whereas before it could take minutes ( or in the case of some here at FFL, years :-) to recognize that they are angry, or sad, or depressed, or jealous, or whatever, once one learns to recognize the *signs* of these emotions, one can recognize the mindstates in seconds, or less. And recognition is liberation. Once you become aware that you're in mindstate A, you can easily shift to mindstate B.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hawking disproves time travel - maybe.
Humans alone can't be ET's. Either all life on earth are ET's or none at all. You need to study evolution further. The human DNA was created by random events. The Universe we know is finite. So the chances of human DNA repicated else where in the universe is pretty slim. Mark Tegmark says that the mathematical probablity is so low that unless the Universe is infinite in size, exact replication is improbable. --- John jr_esq@... wrote: The experiment failed because maybe the invitations were sent to the wrong people. Also, there is the possibility that the ETs are humans themselves. According to Leonard Susskind from Stanford, the universe maybe a hologram. As such, since humans here on earth exist, it is possible that there are humans elsewhere in the universe. IOW, the human DNA is replicable elsewhere in the universe as part of the natural process, not necessarily by random events. But the question still remains. How do we communicate with them? --- salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Stephen Hawking: 'I Held A Party For Time-Travellers... But None Came' http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/02/stephen-hawking-time-travel_\ n_1643488.html?view=print [Hawking] Stephen Hawking recently gave a party - for time travellers. But while he told plenty of people about the date, sent out invitations and waited patiently for them to arrive, no body came. Of course that might have been because he waited until the party was over to send out the invites. Professor Hawking explained his failed experiment in a recent interview with various journalists, written up by Ars Technica http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/steven-hawking-on-time-travel-m-\ theory-and-extra-terrestrial-life/ . I have experimental evidence that time travel is not possible, he said. I gave a party for time-travellers, but I didn't send out the invitations until after the party. I sat there a long time, but no one came. Hawking has previously spoken about the party, which was 'held' on 28th June 2009 http://dogandponyshowwebsite.com/stephen-hawking-already-proved-that-ti\ me-travel-is-impossible/ , and produced a video about the experiment - but due to the laws of causality, no one has retrospectively showed up. Hawking also said that Einstein's theories offer the possibility of travelling backwards in time http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/steven-hawking-on-time-travel-m-\ theory-and-extra-terrestrial-life/ - but it is likely that warping would trigger a bolt of radiation that would destroy the spaceship and maybe the space-time itself. In the interview Hawking was also asked about alien life - and reassuringly said that it isn't likely aliens are coming to visit. I'm discounting claims that UFOs contain aliens. Why would they appear only to cranks and weirdos? he asked. Do I believe that there is some government conspiracy to conceal the evidence and keep for themselves the advanced technology the aliens have? If that were the case, they aren't making much use of it. Further evidence that there isn't any intelligent life within a few hundred light years comes from the fact that SETI, the Search for Extra Terrestrial Life, hasn't picked up their television quiz shows. It is true that we advertise our presence by our broadcast. But given that we haven't been visited for four billion years, it isn't likely that aliens will come any time soon. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/02/stephen-hawking-time-travel_n\ _1643488.html?utm_hp_ref=uk http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/02/stephen-hawking-time-travel_\ n_1643488.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Stagirite Beats Up on The Veda and SCI
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Too bad Robin, how gullible you could be. Maharishi wanted both the markets, the 'personal god market' and the 'impersonal God market'. He did this basicaly to draw in the typical westerner who has a 'protestant background'. Maharishi is an abberation in the field of Vedanta which clearly emphasises that the entire creation is impersonal and it's now evident through Science as well. --- Robert babajii_99@ wrote: 'Firstly, Let Us Provide a Context for this Discussion'... What are you talking about, when you say, 'Personal God' and 'Impersonal God'... My experience is that of the Atma, being 'All That There Is'... When you finally transcend the 'Intellect' and the 'Ego' there becomes the possibility of 'Seeing' from the 'ATma'... 'Seeing' or 'Cognizing' from the Atma(soul)Itself When you experience the 'Soul Intelf' you 'Realize' that you are no longer what you 'Thought You Were'... You begin to 'See' or 'Cognize' from the 'Witnessing Aspect'... Being Itself is 'Experienced as the Self'... You experience the soul itself in that 'Silence'... So, then you begin to 'Understand' and 'See' from the 'Perspective of Your Infinite Soul'... So, you 'Indentify No Longer' with the 'Small Made-Up Self' of the 'ego'... The 'Concept of God' begins to be 'Experienced Within' As you begin to 'Not Interfer' with the 'Process of Manifestation'... This 'Means' that 'YOu' experience from the level of 'Self' You 'Feel Self' expeanding and expanding out... From an 'Impulse Within Being Itself' it 'Expands Outward'... And it goes as far as the 'Flow Provides' from 'Within'... 'Within Means' 'Going Within' as in 'TM' Years of 'Going Within' has developed the Dhana Shakti... That type of 'Energy of that Shakti' which 'Pulls Within'... So, the 'Self Collapses Back Onto Self'... This Maharishi Calls 'Self-Referral'... When you are 'Stabliized in Being' within, all the time... Then you begin to 'EX;;periance the 'ONeness'... 'I Am That'...It's all just 'That' The End. --- Robert babajii_99@... wrote: Ok, now to finish what I started in 'Terms of Experiencing Brahman Consciousness'... Now, when one is 'Used to Self-Referral' this 'Becomes a Constant Reality'... Now, instead of the ''Ego and Intellect'' having 'Control' of your 'Sou;'s Energy'...the 'Soul Takes Over' and it has it's way with you... You begin to ''Experience the Finest Level of Reality'... How the grass grows, the birds fly the sky looks blue, the wind is invisible, the 'Thunder Comes and Brings the Rain' (Indra and Vayu)/// Now, when we are in 'Self-Referral' and we begin to 'Indentify the Self'' as 'Atman' as 'Soul' as 'The Witnessor' as 'That Which Animates the Body' as 'That Which Creates Reality'... We begin to 'EXperience a Unity Type of Consciousness' because we are 'Creating OUt of Bliss Consciousness'... It's like the Beatles...you seee it clearly on stage with 'Certain Performers'...I use this example where it can 'Be Clearly Felt to Be True!)... Now when they performed, there was 'This Unmistakable Bliss' imminating from the Fab 4... Now that 'Bliss Created a Reality'... When one is in 'Bliss Consciosness' one is creating out of the 'Essence of Beingness' which would be 'Felt as the Passionate Emotion of Expanding Heart Felt Love,Love, Love...' Now here in lies the 'Unity Consciosness' because when 'ONe Radiates Bliss and Love' the 'Creation Responds Remarkably yWell'... This is why, 'Maharishi Always Looked Like the Universe Was Responding to Him' in some 'Cosmic Way'... It's like his 'Timing Was So Good!'... Just when he had been 'Teaching Around the World for 12 Years'.;.. He was at an 'Interview in London'...saying that he was 'Retreating Back to India' because 'He Had Done Enough' and the 'People Were Slow to Grasp the Concept and Experience' he thought they should have... Maharishi sounded a bit down and disappointed, in that 'Interview in 1968'... So, what happens next is 'History!'... 'Here Comes the Sun;' Here comes John Lennon, born 1940, which makes him 28 years old...here comes Paul, here comes Ringo, and here comes that lovely and awesome soulful 'Character~George Harrison!)... 'Here Comes the Sun'... Baba A facinating discourse on spiritual progress Sri.Gimbel-ji. I would like to add to the point you mentioned about fleeting glimpse of bliss we experience in our daily lives. Watching the blue skies, green grass, holding a baby, watching birds fly, watching the sunset, cows returning home in the evening... The sastras say, this fleeting glimpse of bliss also comes from the Brahman and it's called 'Vibhudhi'. The bliss which you experienced during the Beatles concert is also Vibhudhi. When this bliss becomes
