[FairfieldLife] The Police
We saw them live at the ATT Center in San Antonio, Ghosts in the Machine Tour November 21, 2007. *Live at the ATT Center, San Antonio, 2007* Another favorite of mine from the Ghost in the Machine album, 1981 - Spirits in the Material World. These two songs are what I call ear hummers - once you hear them, they keep humming in your ears for days! *Their 1983 album, Synchronicity, was number one on both the UK Albums Chart and the US Billboard 200, and sold over 8 million copies in the US. The Police have won six Grammy Awards, two Brit Awards (winning Best British Group once), an MTV Video Music Award, and in 2003 were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.* The Police are Sting - lead vocals, bass; Andy Summers - guitar; and Stewart Copeland - drums. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Police Roxanne - one of my favorites which was banned by the BBC. Go figure. The Police - Roxanne http://youtu.be/3T1c7GkzRQQ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey, Did Anyone Wish the Lurking Reporter, Happy Thanksgiving?
Gobble. On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 4:39 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Happy Thanksgiving LR!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Experimenters to put digitize worm brains
So, I'm just imagining that I'm self-conscious and that I perceive a constructed character of knowing and see other things and events that others see at the same time that I see and experience them. Just because we all see doors and tables at the same time and experience events in time and space and can communicate with each other and discuss them, there's no proof that these things actually exist except as a mass illusion in our minds. I don't have free will and nobody else has free will - I am being controlled by bio-chemical software that tells me what to do at any given moment. There's no inner controller and nothing to write home about anyway. Go figure. On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@sbcglobal.neted [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Experimenters are digitizing worm brains using them in robots. Maybe they're learn that most insects are essentially robots or just organic machines. Then they'll learn that most humans are robots and just organic machines. And probably that consciousness is just an illusion. :-D http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2851663/Are-brink-creating-artificial-life-Scientists-digitise-brain-WORM-place-inside-robot.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies
We warned this guy years ago about posting these kind of messages - a double-edged sword. Anyone that has been posting as long as Barry (since 1994) has been posting should know better. Anything can be taken out of context so it's just much better to be friendly online and reserve off-color comments for buddies at the bar. This was really dumb of Barry - in fact, it's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on newsgroups since I started in 1999. If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. This was TOTALLY inappropriate for a family forum like this. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Anyone who uses such language is seriously disturbed. I just hope he doesn't harm that small child he is often photographed with. Someone oughta call the cops on him, and at least check his hard drive for kiddie porn. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Hilarious; from fantasizing about butt fucking babies to: *I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. The Turq is coherent indeed :-)* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: *My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. * *HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting. - *Uncle Tantra http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
[FairfieldLife] The Outdoors Lightroom
*Want to capture the sky on a clear winter night? Try these tips for serious photographers.* *Night Sky by Brian Peterson* *How to photograph the night sky:* *http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/237332541.html* http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/237332541.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holy Man Claims He Has Not Eaten Or Drank Anything In 70 Years!
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:08 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I think what you are saying is that there phenomena that we may have considered to be impossible, until they are demonstrated, and supported by heretofore unknown laws of physics. It would depend on whether the new laws are in contradiction of the old. Especially in the case of metabolism and energy transfer. These things are well understood and the idea that it's possible to circumvent them with a hitherto unknown gland in the brain that produces a nectar that fulfills all our dietary requirements including water and without any energy input in itself is miraculous. And I mean it, a miracle is when the laws of nature are broken. This would be as good as any other law being broken including levitation or invisibility. Given that there are plenty of ways he could be cheating I know where I'm going to put my money. There are many examples, and could one day explain human levitation if it is demonstrated. The below isn't one of them I'm afraid as there is nothing unusual or contrary about it other than it appears counter to our expectations drawn from the sort of things we usually run into. Supercooled helium isn't a day-to-day occurrence and it isn't defeating gravity in any way. Nor has anything else anyone has ever come across, apart from anecdotally and what are we to make of that? If I am not mistaken there are many demonstrations of water flowing uphill, in accordance with the laws of physics. So, if you are asking for an example, you have one. Superfluid helium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI Superfluid helium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI Helium becomes superfluid and displays amazing properties. To address all the comments about helium running out: Most helium on earth is the result of r... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6UJbwxBZI Preview by Yahoo As far the breatharian, you simply dismiss it has hogwash, and that because it didn't cause a global sensation, it must be a fraud. Or that you didn't like a paragraph in the possible explanation. I didn't use the word hogwash, bullshit would be closer to it anyway. This guy in Australia was caught out, there was no magic going on. I don't know why people not eating would be a sign of anything great anyway, it's the sort of thing I'd avoid in a guru. I like my chips and gravy too much to be impressed by thinness. But the lure of magic is enough for a lot of people I suppose, it's always interested me, I'm an eternal optimist but becoming rather sceptical these days. I suppose you could say that for any result that you don't like. It didn't pass my threshold for credibility. The study was corrupted A corrupt study is always a possibility, conversely we shouldn't accept potentially corrupt information just because the claimed result gives succour to our cherished beliefs, not if we are interested in truth anyway. Having a threshold of credibility is a good plan, it means you have a handy way of weeding out the bullshit at the start but it shouldn't be so rigid that you become blinkered. What you need is a good working knowledge about something before you consider contrary evidence. We can always be wrong but the discovery of a chakra - whatever that means- in the brain that creates nectar of this usefulness (or at all) would be a major discovery. Let's hope for the diet industry's sake if no one elses that this guy has broken the laws of conservation of energy, as well as a few others. I'll bet good money that he hasn't though... So, how much would you be willing to wager on Barry's levitation witness claim? Personally, I don't care if the guy can survive without food or not. It appeared to me to be a vetted result. Perhaps I am mistaken. Btw, look at what people in general are fascinated by. It really isn't something like this. It's more about what is the latest instagram photo posted by KK. People in general may like KK but she isn't defying the laws of nature, even though her arse appears to be stretching them sometimes. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I am wondering if this will generate any comments from the no such thing as woo woo contingent here. Of course it will. I happened to also be thinking about all the weird phenomenon that exists, all according the laws of physic, albeit, laws not typically seen. I think it was Ann who post the video showing some of that weird phenomena. So, why not human levitation? You may say it defies the laws of physics, but so would most of that weird phenomena, at least apparantly. Nothing in that video showed a breach of the laws
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: look up look down
Share: Richard, I reply from email rather than from website. In email it's impossible to cut and paste. Yahoo Mail is not suitable for seriously replying to Yahoo discussion groups. First, get a free Google Mail. In Google Mail, click on Create an Account. http://tinyurl.com/nel3mne In Yahoo, go to the Group and click on Membership, then select Identity. Key in the free Google Mail address and then click on Save. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I reply from email rather than from website. In email it's impossible to cut and paste. On Monday, September 22, 2014 12:36 PM, pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share: Richard, are you referring to your unsnipped reply in the Holy Man thread?! What you have to do is copy the specific text you want to reply to, then click on Reply and paste in 'tthe text you copied. Do not click on Show message history. That way, Neo users don't have to scroll down past the video nine times to get to the post they want to read. It's easier to follow the conversation that way. Like this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] look up look down
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, are you referring to your unsnipped reply in the Holy Man thread?! Not all replies need to be snipped - just the ones that have redundant videos .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if a lot of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me. It doesn't really imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way. *It not difficult to see this thread as just another excuse for the informants to abuse women. Everyone knows this whole thread is meant to offend Ann and Share. Some informants will use any tragic incident if they think it will help them win a religious debate. Where is Judy when we need her?* ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of normal business deceit stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Stripping the Gurus
*You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you post redundant messages, Barry. Think.* Vaj Mon, 11 April 2005 Stripping the Gurus http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg03870.html On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:08 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Stripping the Gurus The Sixth Beatle http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.html Stripping the Gurus The Sixth Beatle http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.html CHAPTER VIII THE SIXTH BEATLE (MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI) View on www.strippingthegurus.com http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.html Preview by Yahoo I stumbled across this while doing a Google search for a completely different teacher (see list on home page below), and figured some here would be interested. I haven't bothered to read much of it, but I do take it as a sign that all is balanced with the universe -- for every True Believing Nablus in the world, there is probably someone like this waiting to write a tell-all book about the person they believe in. :-) Stripping the Gurus http://www.strippingthegurus.com/ [image: image] http://www.strippingthegurus.com/ Stripping the Gurus http://www.strippingthegurus.com/ Stripping the Gurus: Sex, Violence, Abuse and Enlightenment* by Geoffrey D. Falk German version (abridged) of Stripping the Gurus is now available! Gurus: Zwischen... View on www.strippingthegu... http://www.strippingthegurus.com/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cultish, Cultish.
It must be a slow news day - almost all of these MMY stories today have already been posted on FFL. YOU WILL NEVER BAKE BREAD ON THE MUM CAMPUS AGAIN! On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: When you read this you can hardly believe Nader et al would have the temerity to say this kind of crap in public, but then read the very last line to see what an elitist jack ass Marshy was. 'King of the world' preaches peace through 'yogic flying'Lebanese-born meditator has solution to region's conflicts 'We only need $1 billion' The Daily Star/November 11, 2002 By Hannah Wettig Don't negotiate, meditate. This is the message Tony Nader tried to bring to French-speaking heads of state during the recent Francophone summit. Lebanese-born Nader is a head of state as well and his authority is worldwide. He is the king of the Global Country of World Peace a brainchild of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Indian guru some may recall from the 60s when the Beatles meditated to his instructions. Now about 90 years old, the Maharishi founded the Global Country and made Nader its king two years ago. The Maharishi knows how to bring world peace. All it needs is some Transcendental Meditation (TM). Currently, 40 ministers, ambassadors and, of course, the king are working hard to implement this peace plan. The king recently returned to his home in Beirut to explain it all to some government heads. His Majesty Raja Nader Raam as Nader's followers call him resides at his parents' house in Rabieh during his mission in Lebanon. The vast salon overlooking the sea is incredibly white: the sofas, the side tables, the curtains, even the Yamaha grand piano. A German scientist and the Global Country's ambassador to France have accompanied Nader. The men, here to explain how world peace works, all appear in well-cut white suits. It's no uniform, we just like it, the king remarks, adding: Peace is connected to light. Their plan for peace goes like this. The square root of 1 percent of the population of a country has to practice yogic flying, a meditation exercise that is supposed to elevate its practitioner into the air without using any muscles, maintains Nader. Once the flyers are elevated they send out some kind of positive vibrations, which influence their environment. Hence, the population as a whole becomes more peaceful, more intelligent, healthier. In Lebanon it takes only 200 people, says Nader. Maybe a bit more. We need a safety factor because of the close neighbors and conflicts in the region. As Lebanon is a stronghold of TM in the Arab world, with four Meditation Centers and, according to the Lebanese TM teacher Samar Sahyoun, several hundred followers, this shouldn't be too difficult. There still remains a small obstacle, though. To reach the so-called Maharishi effect, the yogic flyers have to practice in the same place. If they are not in one room, it takes many more meditators, Nader explains. Therefore leaders of the Global Country need to first build Peace Palaces houses with huge rooms where the yogic flyers can take off together. They are hoping for government funding for this project. We only need $1 billion, says Nader. That's nothing compared to what missiles cost. National leaders have been very interested in this idea, stresses the Ambassador to France Dominique Lemoine. When asked what exactly the outcome of negotiations with governments were, the gentlemen turn taciturn. We wrote some letters, we also approached the Lebanese government several times, says Nader, explaining why their request is so urgent. After Sept. 11 we have unexpected violence, like in Sweden or Bali. Peace is not anymore in the hands of the government, he says. In Egypt, Turkey, Iran and Israel they need to increase the number (of meditators) now. Of course all this has been proven scientifically, in more than 600 studies, says Nader. On this he is an expert. He was made the Global Country's king because he developed the scientific theory to accompany the Maharishi's preachings. Nader, who says he is a trained physician with degrees from the American University of Beirut and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, talks about gravity, modern science, physics and psychology. It all connects, he says. We say there is order in the universe. This order is also called laws of nature. And with these laws all actions can be predicted. But of course you can't know all of the laws, Nader says. The question is, where do all the laws come from? he asks. You shrug your shoulders. His theory is based on common knowledge of simplified physics. Everything is made of energy atoms, the human body, the universe. It all has the same structure, says Nader. He calls this the unified field, which is the home of the laws of nature. The solution to the world's problems lies
Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: For me, sitting with eyes closed is too much an indulgence in some way, too self centered. Take the awareness out there and take a chance, even if it means you fall on your face or crash through the sliding glass door. Propping oneself on one's derriere for hours at a time thinking about nothing is just not what this body was really created for, IMHO. *Without even realizing it, Curtis seems to be meditating longer each day than just about anyone on this list - on his music and his instruments. Music is a mantra and an instrument is a yoga. Music is the path to liberation. Every time Curtis picks up his guitar and hums - he is meditating.* *And, maybe without either of you realizing it, your environment, urban or rural, is the Plain of Kurekshetra - a battleground where the gunas born of nature find their balance. Life is a metaphor.* *So, come on guys - we're only talking about the TM twenty minutes twice a day! Go figure.*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual Seeking
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: When you think about it isn't all spiritual seeking a lot like those bumper stickers that start I'd rather be... *So, you don't have all the answers.* Wherever they'd rather be whatever they'd rather be driving or sailing or doing or being it isn't here and it isn't now *By they you must mean other souls, but do they have a soul separate from your soul? Or, are they part of your soul which is part of the one over-soul? They must be somebody, or are you projecting that they are not your own self?* *So, many questions, Barry - so few answers. * Whereas what they're really seeking is :-) *So, what you are really seeking is the answer to a riddle: we are born, we all live and die, and are reborn again. The question is: WHY? Why would anyone have to repeat endlessly a life full of suffering? Or, as Sam Harris puts it: karma is the motive force driving the material world of the senses in an endless cycle.* *This leads to other questions like: What is the purpose of life and does life have any meaning? Other than the brief pleasure of the possession and smooth things. * *Or, what is the mystery of consciousness?* *Why do people have to die? Where do we all go when we die? Do we have a soul or a Spirit that does not die when the body dies? * *And, do we go anywhere - maybe our self is just annihilated upon death, never to exist again. Or, what if the soul or spirit lives on in another dimension or in a parallel universe which is eternal?* **
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : *When you agree to meet up for a drink and the person you are meeting doesn't look anything like their profile picture, then THEY have to pay for the drink.* - Michael Strahan On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:54 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sir Pudit, Your generous offer to buy the drinks is humbly accepted. I do appreciate your Kindness. *Thanks, but you forgot to post a photo of your face, so you owe me and Rita one drink each when we get to NYC.* I can drink a lot. But I'm fun to drink with. Even a couple of women think so. But they're rare.
Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought provoking. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I wound up feeling that Sam has his own optical blind spot about self. I get the feeling that he is FAR more influenced by the dogma that was presented to him in his early Advaitan and Dogzchen training than he lets on, and that he personally feels *very* strongly that the feeling of 'having a self' is *lesser* than the feeling of 'not having a self.' Me, I see them both as feelings, with no hierarchy in sight. I think that one of the disservices he may be doing to meditation newbies is to instill in them a feeling that they're not doing meditation right unless they have this mystical feeling of 'no-self' that he places on such a pedestal. I don't see it that way. *Apparently Barry doesn't realize that he just posted an argument for subjective idealism. T**he mystical feeling of having a self is the woo woo described by Sam Harris. **Go figure* *Another word for self is spirit - that's where the phrase spiritual life originated: the notion that humans have an eternal spirit or self that is a separate soul-monad that never dies and is reborn.* *The dogma is that we are a separate self and an eternal spirit-soul. * *The purpose of mindfulness is to demonstrate through experience that there is no underlying permanent entity called theself. You are just a bundle of material impressions with a consciousness of your own existence, or not.* ** Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. Love this! I've missed your colorful worldly spiritual It is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet. Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut it for me. That has the epistemological solidity of Dungeons and Dragons role play games. Sam's description of being caught up in and identified with thoughts as suffering and experiencing the illusion of the self as freedom seems unwarranted to me. And to me. The most egregious thing about the book from my point of view is that he seems to be making a STRONG case for believing/experiencing that one 'has no self,' but he never presents any *benefits* of either believing or experiencing that. I come away not convinced he's ever achieved an experiential 'no-self' state for more than a few moments himself. I think he's passing along former teachers' feelings about this supposed state rather than his own experience with it. Only when the woo woo is removed will you realize the all-pervasive oneness of everything - we are connected,just like Indra's Net. The idea that you are a separate self is just an illusion not supported by either logic or reason. If you had a self you could see it and describe it to us. The dogma is that you were indoctrinated nto believing in a separate soul-monad. Remove the woo woo and you realize that karma connects us all. Completely agree about the suffering thang, BTW. It bugs me about Buddhism, and it bugs me about Sam's Neo-Buddhism. The experience of having a subjective self is *NOT* the same as suffering in my book, and I chafe when I hear someone talk as if it is. *It bugs you because of your basic misunderstanding of Buddhism. It is not about YOU, Barry, or YOUR suffering or not - it's about suffering anywhere at any time for anyone. It's all about your level of compassion. * *No matter how good you feel about your self and your material wealth - there are untold millions of souls out there suffering at this very moment. You can relish your own happiness and enjoy your good karma today, but so long as anyone is suffering, only the selfish will remain in a state of ignorance and fail to realize the laws of karma.* ** It reminds me of Maharishi's condescending letter to the peaceless and suffering humanity in its presumptions. They both should just speak for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts
*When you agree to meet up for a drink and the person you are meeting doesn't look anything like their profile picture, then THEY have to pay for the drink.* - Michael Strahan On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:54 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sir Pudit, Your generous offer to buy the drinks is humbly accepted. I do appreciate your Kindness. *Thanks, but you forgot to post a photo of your face, so you owe me and Rita one drink each when we get to NYC.* On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: OK. I don't post photos. I hope Rita is one of those rare women who find me fun to drink with. *You sound like a fun guy to have a drink with and so Rita might also find you fun - one drink probably won't cause any harm. **According to what I've read, you're quite a Dandy Dan, so I'll be keeping an eye on you though - better bring your missus along.* *So, I don't post photos of Rita for obvious reasons, but I can tell you that she is so gorgeous that most men beg her to dance with them at the Cowboy Dance Hall, and then - request a selfie with her too. Go figure.* See you then. Cheers, Marky Marko I can drink a lot. But I'm fun to drink with. Even a couple of women think so. But they're rare.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The TMO
*Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion. -Democritus* On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:3x5 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://i.imgur.com/rzwt7OB.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Weekly Fairfieldlife Posting Sprint Race
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 7:44 PM, dhamiltony wrote: Om, it should be really impressive if the front runners actually posted on spiritual topic related to FFL.-Buck *Om, I've been trying to strike up a conversation with Buck for at least six years on FFL. He doesn't seem to big on dialog and exchanging information. He was supposed to read the messages BEFORE he starts a new topic. Go figure.* MMY's Tantra MMY's Mantras MMY's Atman MMY's Tantra MMY's Seven States MMY's Buddha MMY's OM MMy's Karma TM in the Tantras Kalachakra Tantra According to the Sage Kapila My Guru, the Lama The Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Stay on the Path Our Spiritual Tradition All About Shankara All About Sadhus and Yogis All About Mantra and Japa Go Out and Radiate MUM and the Tree of Knowledge Naked They Pray Bija Mantras More About Badrinath The Way to Wisdom
[FairfieldLife] Dream
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Photo: ShShRSh!
*Sri Sri Ravi Shankar* On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:24 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 2014-09-19-387 https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/15099126827/in/photostream/ [image: image] https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/15099126827/in/photostream/ 2014-09-19-387 https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/15099126827/in/photostream/ Explore flickpulli's photos on Flickr. flickpulli has uploaded 47 photos to Flickr. View on www.flickr.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/15099126827/in/photostream/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gee or Yeah?
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:57 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The original Hebraic name of Jesus is yehoshua (~yeah-haw-shoe-ah*; Aramaic: yeshua). We think in most European countries, the spelling of his name is based on the Latin Iesus/Jesus. In Latin the phonetic value of I- / J- corresponds to that of the English y, as in yes. We believe, during King James, even the English pronunciation of J was like the Latin I/J. I wonder if Jesus would be less popular in the US of A, were his name pronounced in accordance with the Latin, yeah-soos. IMO, that sounds quite a lot wussier than Jesus! Jesus is a very popular given name among Hispanic Christians in Mexico and in the Us of A., where it is spelled with an accented 'u' and pronounced hey sous. In Mexico and in Texas, persons with that name are often called by the nickname Chuy , pronounced Chewy. * Mostly, the accent in Hebrew is on the last syllable. That word is, we think, a so called segolate noun, whose accent is on the syllaba paenultima!
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:24 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Over that time they got used to seeing things around them that would sent had them running for the exits if they'd been allowed to see them during their first months with TM, but by the time they *did* get to see them they'd been trained to consider these things normal. *What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting* *in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in* *the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for * *a while. * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231 -- Reply via web post https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/397618;_ylc=X3oDMTJybW1sZjA5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzM5NzYxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0MTEwMjUyMjI-?act=replymessageNum=397618 • Reply to sender turquoi...@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BFairfieldLife%5D%20TM%20and%20the%20Media%2C%20was%20Established%20in%20Being%2C%20let%20anger%20take%20over • Reply to group FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BFairfieldLife%5D%20TM%20and%20the%20Media%2C%20was%20Established%20in%20Being%2C%20let%20anger%20take%20over • Start a New Topic https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcjczNGk2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQxMTAyNTIyMg-- • Messages in this topic https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/397319;_ylc=X3oDMTM4Y2NuYjk3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzM5NzYxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MTEwMjUyMjIEdHBjSWQDMzk3MzE5 (118) -- Improvements in Yahoo Groups Search http://yahoogroups.tumblr.com/post/97620124611/search-improvements-in-yahoo-groups Searching for new groups to join is easier than ever. We've honed our algorithm to bring you better search results based on relevance and activity. Try it today! https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN2409%20.html https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search;_ylc=X3oDMTExaGFoanEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGNmMTEDUEEEc2VjA21lZ2FwaG9uZQ--?query= -- To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Visit Your Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN2QwZDBuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQxMTAyNTIyMg-- - New Members https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYjhmOWdtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzE0MTEwMjUyMjI- 2 [image: Yahoo! Groups] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkc205Zmc1BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDExMDI1MjIy • Privacy https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html • Unsubscribe fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe • Terms of Use https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ .
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: L: Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is full of it... M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was studied by other people who took completely different paths to their practice? According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it is. This just sitting IS enlightenment. I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice. I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these distinctions. I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I agree that research will help us sort out the differences in brain states. But it is gunna take a while for the very young science of neuroscience as a whole to describe what these states mean with close to the same confidence you and most TM affiliated researchers put behind your theories. I think your confidence in your interpretation comes from TM triumphalist bias. Time will tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network of the brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and sense-of-self. In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the nervous system where the original functioning of the DMN, complete with relaxed, mind-wandering alpha, starts to become a thing of the past. TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the DMN and enhances the brain circuits associated with sense-of-self. Which is better? Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is full of it... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : My experience has been that I don't exist. It just seems that I go through the week as someone just doing something. And it's not weird at all. Like you say it may be a little difficult to fathom intellectually especially if some people have had few experiences even of transcending. It's just at some point you no longer come out of meditation and it's not spaciness either an issue that David Frawely has tackled in some of his writings about false enlightenment. Just do some grounding things and if the experience remains it isn't spaciness. On 09/17/2014 08:47 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is an automatic process, Richard. The Self begins to witness in every moment, so that rather than having any attention, on giving up anything, it actually becomes impossible to be attached to anything. This can't be understood in the waking state. Once a person lives in freedom, a person can tackle any situation successfully. Life becomes as simple as we want it to be. Attachment is impossible, so even the most joyful and the most painful moments will pass. Contrary to what the rational mind may think, the witness capability, is not some sort of anesthetic. As Ann and I were discussing, life is so visceral, sensual and alive within itself, that even the witness revels in fullness. Everything is uncovered and seen for what it is. The inside and outside are balanced. Attachment, and its consequent delusion, are impossible, in a life lived in eternal freedom. No need whatsoever, to think about non-attachment. It is automatic, after awhile. -
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Nisargadatta died of throat cancer in 1981, probably still believing that he was neither a phenomenon nor subject to any phenomena. You seem to like the fact that he can talk the talk of having no self. But the person who talked like that clearly had enough of a self to die when its body did. I guess I'm suggesting that I see no reason to believe that the stuff he wrote about what he believed about himself (or his lack of one) is to be paid attention to. It's just talk. It sort of looks like Barry got confused - he just claimed to have read the new book by Sam Harris - and he still does not understand the no-self doctrine. Amazing! ...the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. - Sam Harris
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So what will the BBC do when Scotland frees itself from being a British slave? *The question should be: What will Scotland do when the welfare money stops coming in from the UK?* Personally I am looking forward to the Yes camp coming through with a rousing win. *Not to mention if Scotland votes for independence, there will no pounds sterling in Scotland. They are already on the verge of being a failed state economically. Go figure.* ** When they do, I am going to emigrate to Scotland (some of my ancestors are from there you know) and get the new Scottish government to hire me to lead the charge to ban the practice of TMSP, vastu homes and the sale of TM related nostrums. *Ban TMSP - without even voting for or against it? I thinks that's illegal in Scotland - the reason they are voting for independence is so they won't have to put up with laws that don't get a single vote from the people. You sound very confused. Go figure.* ** TM practice will be alright, and teaching TM will be allowed, but only if they teach it honestly by telling everyone upfront the mantras are the names and sounds of Hindu gods and goddesses, the practice itself is a form of Hindu devotional practice designed to curry favor with the Hindu gods and that no one has ever gotten enlightened through practice of TM. *It's too bad Judy isn't around to refute this statement, again. Basic TM practice has nothing to do with the names and sounds of Hindu gods and goddesses. * The price to learn TM will be a flat 50 quid per person, 15 for kids. Advanced techniques will be free. Since there will be no more TMSP, the TM people can go back to the old residence course format, but the food has to be good, and there has to be a bit of Yorkshire puddin' of a Sunday. *YOU WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BAKE PUDDNG FOR THE TMO.* -- *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:00 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Is it true that you have to have a license to own a television in the UK? Kinda, you need a license to watch a BBC broadcast, the fee goes to pay for the programmes as there are no adverts - which is heavenly I can assure you. You also get their excellent and obsessively unbiased news and dedication to quality over mere audience share. When it's good it's so good I wonder why governments want to destroy it. Prolly so their best pal Rupert Murdoch can have a bigger slice of the pie and return the favour with biased reporting, just like in his tawdry newspapers that I refuse to buy on principle. He nearly got away with having a Fox news UK channel but his journalists were caught hacking the mobile phone of a murdered teenage girl (amongst a few thousand others) and most of his crap got closed down. He tries to make a comeback sometimes but everyone hates him now, not just lefties like me. His influence of politicians was such that I used to say I'll believe I'm living in a democracy when I can vote for the head of News International. All Thatchers fault, she changed the rules so that newspapers could be owned and therefore unduly influenced by a single proprietor, so now just about every one is owned by some right-wing nutbag. It's often said that the National Health Service is the closest thing the British have to a religion. I include the BBC in that, I like a bit of TV and I'd hate it all to go down the commercial toilet. The BBC makes the best documentaries as the need to hit a low common denominator is missing. They are still getting dumber for sure but it's still worth the effort for Horizon and BBC4. The flipside is that the BBC are a bunch of Nazi's when people haven't paid or even if they don't have a TV at all. They send people round to invite themselves into your home to check if you have one and send endless threatening letters if you claim you haven't!
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I don't use focusing on the breath to calm the mind. I use it to settle the physiology. Then the mind calms down all by itself. *So, I mentioned this because some of the informants seem confused. The use of mindfulness is to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. Instructions for simple vipassana mindfulness meditation:* - Sit down in a comfortable position, on the floor on a cushion or in a chair. - Rock from side-to-side slowly a few times and feel the body as a whole. - Close your eyes and relax into thought - don't try to control your thoughts. - Being mindful of each thought - how it arises and it's duration. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:47 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: L: Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is full of it... M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was studied by other people who took completely different paths to their practice? According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it is. This just sitting IS enlightenment. I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice. I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these distinctions. I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I agree that research will help us sort out the differences in brain states. But it is gunna take a while for the very young science of neuroscience as a whole to describe what these states mean with close to the same confidence you and most TM affiliated researchers put behind your theories. I think your confidence in your interpretation comes from TM triumphalist bias. Time will tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network of the brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and sense-of-self. In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the nervous system where the original functioning of the DMN, complete with relaxed, mind-wandering alpha, starts to become a thing of the past. TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the DMN and enhances the brain circuits associated with sense-of-self. Which is better? Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is full of it... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : My experience has been that I don't exist. It just seems that I go through the week as someone just doing something. And it's not weird at all. Like you say it may be a little difficult to fathom intellectually especially if some people have had few experiences even of transcending. It's just at some point you no longer come out of meditation and it's not spaciness either an issue that David Frawely has tackled in some of his writings about false enlightenment. Just do some grounding things and if the experience remains it isn't spaciness. On 09/17/2014 08:47 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is an automatic process, Richard. The Self begins to witness in every moment, so that rather than having any attention, on giving up anything, it actually becomes impossible to be attached to anything. This can't be understood
Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: But my experience with them is similar to what Harris said -- they taught *not* by providing techniques to allow you to sneak up on unbounded, selfless awareness by focusing on a mantra or the breath or any other object of meditation, but by providing the experience ITSELF. *Most Tibetan teachers don't teach the advanced techniques to people that are just attending a lecture or two and don't have the time or the inclination to dedicate time to an in-depth practice relationship. They will most likely give out instructions in basic mindfullness or vipassana, a preliminary beginner's technique centered on observing the breathing.* *In advanced Mahamudra or Dzogchen, Tibetan teachers use vipassana extensively when just getting started, but then they introduce the more advanced techniques with a greater emphasis on meditation utilizing symbolic images, mantras and visualizations. Additionally, in the Vjarayana tantric form, the true nature of mind is pointed out by the guru - a direct form of insight.* *You probably won't get this advanced training and benefit from direct transference if you are just a casual visitor, Barry.* Work cited: *The Practice of Tranquillity Insight: A Guide to Tibetan Buddhist Meditation * by Khenchen Thrangu Rinpoche Shambhala Publications: 1994. pg 91-93
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I'm really glad I practice TM. Mindfulness seems like a heck of a lot of work, tracking the rising and continuing of thoughts! You may way too advanced for a simple breathing technique - that's for beginners in order to calm the mind. It's just like when MMY told us to feel the body as a whole. You are already practicing the advanced techniques such as seeded meditation using sounds In which the true nature of mind is pointed out by the guru. *So take care not to impose anything on the mind or to tax it. When you meditate there should be no effort to control and no attempt to be peaceful. Don't be overly solemn or feel that you are taking part in some special ritual; let go even of the idea that you are meditating. Let your body remain as it is, and your breath as you find it.* - Sogyal Rinpoche On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:04 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I don't use focusing on the breath to calm the mind. I use it to settle the physiology. Then the mind calms down all by itself. *So, I mentioned this because some of the informants seem confused. The use of mindfulness is to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. Instructions for simple vipassana mindfulness meditation:* - Sit down in a comfortable position, on the floor on a cushion or in a chair. - Rock from side-to-side slowly a few times and feel the body as a whole. - Close your eyes and relax into thought - don't try to control your thoughts. - Being mindful of each thought - how it arises and it's duration. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:47 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: L: Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is full of it... M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was studied by other people who took completely different paths to their practice? According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it is. This just sitting IS enlightenment. I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice. I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these distinctions. I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I agree that research will help us sort out the differences in brain states. But it is gunna take a while for the very young science of neuroscience as a whole to describe what these states mean with close to the same confidence you and most TM affiliated researchers put behind your theories. I think your confidence in your interpretation comes from TM triumphalist bias. Time will tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network of the brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and sense-of-self. In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the nervous system where the original functioning of the DMN, complete with relaxed, mind-wandering alpha, starts to become a thing of the past. TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the DMN and enhances the brain circuits associated with sense-of-self. Which is better
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: There's been a lot of crap spoken today about a popular, well tested and useful form of meditation but not by anyone that has actually tried it. Go figure. Buddhist vipassana is a practice for beginners given out as a preliminary practice by Tibetan Lamas for novice use - stream enterers. The advanced practices involve sounds such as mantras, images and visualizations. Seeded meditation is a very common practice in Tibetan Vjarayana while Vipassana is popular in Theravada countries. Sam Harris was trained in the Tibetan tradition. According to Sogyal Rinpoche, the author of the *'Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying',* there are certain methods and stages of meditation. In the first stage you must realize that meditation is not something that you can 'do', but rather something that you 'let happen'. Perfection (siddhis) is accomplished spontaneously, without any effort, not through mind-control or conscious effort. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:04 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I don't use focusing on the breath to calm the mind. I use it to settle the physiology. Then the mind calms down all by itself. *So, I mentioned this because some of the informants seem confused. The use of mindfulness is to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. Instructions for simple vipassana mindfulness meditation:* - Sit down in a comfortable position, on the floor on a cushion or in a chair. - Rock from side-to-side slowly a few times and feel the body as a whole. - Close your eyes and relax into thought - don't try to control your thoughts. - Being mindful of each thought - how it arises and it's duration. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:47 AM, Richard Williams punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: L: Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is full of it... M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was studied by other people who took completely different paths to their practice? According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it is. This just sitting IS enlightenment. I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice. I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these distinctions. I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I agree that research will help us sort out the differences in brain states. But it is gunna take a while for the very young science of neuroscience as a whole to describe what these states mean with close to the same confidence you and most TM affiliated researchers put behind your theories. I think your confidence in your interpretation comes from TM triumphalist bias. Time will tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : MIndfulness and concentrative practices disrupt the Default Mode Network of the brain, which is highly involved with self-referral processing and sense-of-self. In fact, long-term practices lead to a new style of functioning of the nervous system where the original functioning of the DMN, complete with relaxed, mind-wandering alpha, starts to become a thing of the past. TM, on the other hand, enhances the functioning of the DMN and enhances the brain circuits associated
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I find following my breath excellent for settling my energy body outside of TMSP. It's like they say, Let's all just take a breath. But I don't try to slow my breath or deepen my breath. I simply follow it for 5 counts. Usually by #4, it's slower and deeper all by itself. And my energy field feels more settled too. *There is a revealing Tibetan saying, Gompa ma yin, kompa yin,' which means literally: Meditation' is not; 'getting used to' is.' It means that meditation is nothing other than getting used to the practice of meditation. As it is said, 'Meditation is not stnving, but naturally becoming assimilated into it.' * On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:46 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I'm really glad I practice TM. Mindfulness seems like a heck of a lot of work, tracking the rising and continuing of thoughts! You may way too advanced for a simple breathing technique - that's for beginners in order to calm the mind. It's just like when MMY told us to feel the body as a whole. You are already practicing the advanced techniques such as seeded meditation using sounds In which the true nature of mind is pointed out by the guru. *So take care not to impose anything on the mind or to tax it. When you meditate there should be no effort to control and no attempt to be peaceful. Don't be overly solemn or feel that you are taking part in some special ritual; let go even of the idea that you are meditating. Let your body remain as it is, and your breath as you find it.* - Sogyal Rinpoche On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:04 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I don't use focusing on the breath to calm the mind. I use it to settle the physiology. Then the mind calms down all by itself. *So, I mentioned this because some of the informants seem confused. The use of mindfulness is to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. Instructions for simple vipassana mindfulness meditation:* - Sit down in a comfortable position, on the floor on a cushion or in a chair. - Rock from side-to-side slowly a few times and feel the body as a whole. - Close your eyes and relax into thought - don't try to control your thoughts. - Being mindful of each thought - how it arises and it's duration. On Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:47 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: L: Research will furnish answers, I am sure, but in the meantime, anyone who says that TM leads to the same place as mindfulness and concentration is full of it... M: You bring up a valid point about the difference between subjective experience and research. I guess the next question would be to get behind the terms we are using like mindfulness which is not taught in the same fixed way TM is. Are you confident that you know what I am doing under the umbrella of the term mindfulness and that it is the same thing as what was studied by other people who took completely different paths to their practice? According to Harris, vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The emphasis is on the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. In contrast, Adyashanti's meditation is based on the Mahayana Zen practice of *shikantaza*, or just sitting and allowing everything to be as it is. This just sitting IS enlightenment. I am also open to the realiy that I will never experience mindfulness without my long association with the conditioning of my TM practice. I once checked the mindfulness practice of a friend to see if I could discern any differences in the answers he gave from checking TM. I couldn't. When he described his practice as we would do in 3 days checking I couldn't figure out how we might determine if his internal experience was different from TM people's. The language is too imprecise to make these distinctions. I don't know if the distinctions discovered in the research on particular types of mindfulness practices apply to mine. So without standardization I am left to draw my own conclusions from what I experience. TM and mindfulness practice lead me to a similar internal experience. YMMV and I agree that research will help us sort out
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: There's been a lot of crap spoken today about a popular, well tested and useful form of meditation but not by anyone that has actually tried it. Go figure. So far as I can tell the only crap that has been posted about meditation is the denial by Barry that the purpose of vipassana or mindfulness is the emphasis is on the the use of mindfulness to gain insight into the impermanence of the self-view. Go figure. My training includes TM; Tibetan Buddhism with three lamas; and a Zen Master and a Sufi Master.
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:51 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm really glad I practice TM. Mindfulness seems like a heck of a lot of work, tracking the rising and continuing of thoughts! Hardly. The simple fact is there are many different types of mindfulness, some are easier than others but none are difficult. You just have to find one that suits you, I do several types and some are even easier than TM because you don't even need to say a mantra. I have two favourites out of the ten in my book, they have known psychological advantages and are pleasant to do as well, leaving me refreshed and clear. TM, it has to be said, can often leave you feeling crap and with all the resting and unstressing seems like a lot of work sometimes but I still do it because I like the overall effect. There's been a lot of crap spoken today about a popular, well tested and useful form of meditation but not by anyone that has actually tried it. Go figure. Isn't that fascinating? They're willing to say seemingly definitive things about a practice they have never learned, and in fact never even considered learning. Anyone can learn mindfulness from reading a book, Barrry. It's not complicated. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/how-to-meditate But it's not so strange when you realize that Maharishi made a career out of doing exactly the same thing. He had ZERO experience with any of the competing techniques he brushed aside and described in a derogatory fashion. He didn't know *diddleysquat* about any of them, which became apparent whenever someone would actually call him on one of his putdowns and get in his face with real facts. In those situations Maharishi would back down and drop the subject, but then he'd be back spouting the same ignorant bullshit the next day. Clearly many of his students learned well from his example...spout ignorance often enough and loudly enough and the weakest minds in the group you're speaking to will not only believe it, they'll repeat it to others as if it were the Highest Truth.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Awareness
*Nisargadatta Maharaj:* On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Q: Is Awareness aware of itself? M: *No. Awareness, by ItSelf, does not know ItSelf. When consciousness appears, then the witnessing of the consciousness happens to Awareness. If consciousness is not, then Awareness does not know Awareness [that is, in its aspect as consciousness]. So consciousness is knowing, I am—it is like an announcement, I am. You go deep inside and before you know I am, you have the feeling I am. You know you are. When the sense I am subsides into nothingess, when there is no feeling of I am, that is pure Awareness.* *The Awareness has no Awareness about ItSelf. Consciousness, knowingness, I-am-ness, is a product of the objective food-body [annamayakosha], which is like an instrument with reference to Awareness. I am is like an announcement, and for this you need an instrument, the body. That principle which provides energy to say I am, etc., is Awareness.*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Race the Tube
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fleetwood, THE classic coming of age movie, at least from the female POV, is Dirty Dancing with Patrick Swaze and Jennifer Grey. Also set in Upper NY State. Do you love me, now that I can dance, dance, dance? Watch me now, hey... http://youtu.be/WpmILPAcRQo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mahesh Yogi was not qualified to provide a commentary on the remainder of the Bhagavad Gita. *The Mahesh Yogi was one of the best scribes in all India, holding a science degree in physics from a major university. MMY could read and write in three languages including Hindi, English and Sanskrit. He was so talented that he was appointed to be the chief clerk of the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the most important headquarters of all the Dasanami sannyasins in all of India. MMY studied the scriptures at the feet of India's most famous yogi - HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. Apparently MMY had read all the scriptures by the time he was thirteen, according to his uncle Raj Varma, the famous painter. *
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: But western culture was and still is ignorant of Sanatan Dharma. *The practice of TM isn't based on religious law or faith in a cosmic order, so the term Sanatan Dharma has no meaning to most TMers. According to Rig Veda 4-138, Hindu is non-native and of Iranian origin.* Yes I saw those pages purported to be the remaining chapters. I still maintain he was not qualified. He was selling what the Veda says is a sin to sell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:28 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I put my time into another commentary I find much more complete and practical, thanks. Most TMers on this list don't even need a commentary on BG anymore, since they already know and understand the most important techniques of yoga and the mechanics of consciousness. In advanced meditation techniques the TMers don't even need to follow any written instructions or checking notes - for them, meditation just comes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:42 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: So what you insinuate here is that chapters 7-18 are insignificant and not worthy of his time. What I am insinuating is that if you don't understand Chapter II verse 45 of BG, and you don't know TM, and you have not read the MMY's CBG, is that Chapter 7-18 are insignificant and not worth my time discussing it with you. Dear Fellow, After three + decades of the TMO, I knew it too well. So, did you enjoy? I derived great benefit from his CBG in my earlier years. But it was incomplete and my statement that he was not qualified to comment on the remaining chapters is evident as Mahesh Yogi was not educated in the tradition and his actions showed it. *According to what I've read, the Mahesh Yogi was with with SBS at his passing, So we can assume that the Mahesh Yogi was very important to SBS. We can also assume that the Mahesh Yogi was the most important scribe in all India at that time. Anyone that close to a saint would be so qualified that he would be the most qualified clerk on the planet!* *The Mahesh Yogi was the chief scribe of the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. Do you know what that means? SBS was the head of all the Saraswati Dasanami yogis of Northern India.* If he was a maharishi, why did he have others by his side to interpret Sanskrit/Veda? Who was that sweet old Brahmarishi by his side at the Hague in 1985? Also in Humboldt 1972, there was a Brahmarishi with his son interpreting for Mahesh Yogi. He was no maharishi. Again the western culture's ignorance just blindly accepted this. What is written above is just intellectuallizing and is not a path with knowledge to navigate. It's sounds pretty clear to me - go beyond or transcend the three gunas born of nature. *Oh Arjuna, the Vedic scriptures deal with subjects in the three modes of the material nature. Become self-realized, transcendent to the three modes in pure consciousness, free from duality and free from conceptions of acquisition and preservation.* http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-02-44.html It is nothing new. Maybe to the Western mind, but not to those who are brought up in the Vedic tradition. Which Mahesh Yogi was not. He was a clerk. He was a yogi clerk - that's how he wrote his commentary. He said, I am not a personal guru yet so many ignorant souls did not know what Guru is. You are mistaken - he did not say this anywhere in CBG. Speak for yourself. I never claimed he said it in CBG. But he did say it. I heard him say it. *MMY on the Bhagavad Gita: * *CBG: II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384 *
Re: [FairfieldLife] OK fleet, so I got to reading...
*Somewhere west of Laramie* On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ...the Police Blotter after you pointed out the NYC crime. What do I read but: Classic Jaguar found 46 years after being stolen. Found in California! pulling an rv?
[FairfieldLife] Abacab
http://youtu.be/QbjfesCI254
[FairfieldLife] Remember The Future
http://youtu.be/uCDT0OXoekg
[FairfieldLife] The Old Man Down The Road
http://youtu.be/4Lf0pQoRgFQ
[FairfieldLife] Steam
http://youtu.be/Qt87bLX7m_o
[FairfieldLife] Re: What People Buy
We went by this place last night, it was closed so we didn't buy any wine. *Total Wine, San Antonio, Texas* On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: We went by this place yesterday in the mall, but we didn't buy a watch since we already have an Apple watch. *Lee Michaels at North Star Mall, San Antonio*
[FairfieldLife] Where We Were
We were at this place today: *Culinary Institute of America, San Antonio, Texas*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:01 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Do ya get the feeling, Barry's falling into a Sam Harris sez type pattern? Sam Harris has a certain appeal to authority for him - he seems to need that, which would explain why he has spent so much time and money in the pursuit of a guru almost his entire adult life. If he wants Harris to be his current teacher, he could do worse. Apparently Barry seems comfortable with a few books, a TV set and some pirated movies to watch while posting to social media. It's not complicated. Barry is not much into actual group practice of any form of meditation, yoga or martial art training, apparently. In contrast, Harris had spend years studying and practicing under a Tibetan Lama, earning a Black Belt and a Ph.D. in neuro-science. The main problem with the secular approach to meditation training is that when you remove the Buddhism from the practice, you've left out all the interesting mood-making; all the saving grace and the inspiration. Instead of transcending into bliss, you just stay on the surface level of the mind concentrating on your breathing. Anyone can learn to practice meditation in just a few minutes from a book - the actual practice may be not so easy - as I found out sitting at the San Francisco Zen Center. Try this simple experiment: just sit for one hour without moving. If you are like me, meditation is way more more joyful if you have a seed thought to return to. The problem is that almost all Tibetan meditation training involves the Buddhist religion to a certain degree. Barry has stated on numerous occasions that he doe not believe in some aspects of the Buddhist doctrine: The Four Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path and the Chain of Dependent Arising. Go figure. And, everyone knows that Tibetan Buddhism has as many, if not more, mood-making tools at your disposal, than almost any religion on the planet. The problem is the will-to-believe: if you don't believe in the enlightenment tradition, you might as well take a nap on the bed, and just try to relax. I mean according to Barry, half the internet has read his book. sorta funny, I think ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Great find, Geez. It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's so insane it hurts to look at him. I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, I mean...its surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*. :-) :-) :-) Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This is not a hit job. This is what rational people in the real world think of TM True Believers. And they're right. -- *From:* geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:06 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Great find, Geez. It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's so insane it hurts to look at him. *Compared to looking at Barry sitting inside a cafe next to a canal posting to social media?* I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, I mean...its surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*. :-) :-) :-) *Compared to students studying computer science and watching levitation demonstrations?* Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This is not a hit job. This is what rational people in the real world think of TM True Believers. And they're right. *Compared to what rational people in the real world think of Barry's levitation claims?* -- *From:* geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
*Some people will sink to the lowest level in order to win a religious debate, down to and including using the tragic murder of thousands of innocent children - if a massacre will help them make their point. I'm only posting this so it's on record and so we know exactly what we a dealing with in these discussions.* *where is Edg when we need him?* *Equating a debate opponent with a Nazi is considered to be universally stupid on social media and in fact, is a crime in many European countries. But, apparently it's not included in the FFL Guidelines. Go figure.* On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I like you. So wrt MJ calling Nabby a Nazi, please do not hold your breathe waiting for an apology! On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:42 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Eggg-cellent! *You still have failed to apologized for calling Nabby a Nazi or to Dan for equating TM practice with the Jewish holocaust. Why not?* -- *From:* geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:03 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness practice on FFL
It's not unusual to see someone like Judy or Ann or Jim or Steve or Richard or Nabby or Dan nurse a grudge and hold onto it for YEARS. --- punditster@... wrote : Says the guy who has held a grudge against Judy Stein and Richard Williams for over ten years. Is Barry on some kind of drug or what? He seems to be almost in total dissociation from reality sometimes. Go figure. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:24 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Heh. bawee seems to think he has known me for years. And who is the grudge holder? I mean, I read bawee's posts and respond to them but he is so grudgy he has gone to the trouble to make sure he is protected behind closed doors and barred windows from my posts and all others who he thinks might smack him down. Is that funny or what? *What is really funny is that apparently Barry's influence has even attracted the attention of xeno, who we thought was fair and balanced. Now Barry has got xeno creating filters and folders marked Canada - for the gal from Texas who speaks for all Canadians. Go figure.* You always nail him, don't you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Elsewhere in cult news...
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:14 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't know whether anyone here noticed the recent U2 debacle, but it's worth paying attention to. I've liked some of their music and not liked other of their music, just like everyone else, but while doing so it has not escaped my attention that the members of the band are all pretty strong evangelical Christians. Evangelicals seem to think it's their RIGHT to preach to other people about the things they believe, and that the people they're preaching to have a DUTY to listen. (A lot like some folks here on FFL, yes?) So what does U2 do? Knowing from past sales figures that very few people are actually going to pony up the money for a new U2 album because as a band they're sorta over, rather than releasing it normally they decide to give it away. So far, so good. It's HOW they decided to give it away that is fucked up. They supposedly worked out a deal with Apple that *everyone* who logged in to iTunes would receive a free copy of their new album, downloaded to them without their permission. Worse, once it was on these unwilling users' machines, they found that they *weren't allowed to delete the new album*. They couldn't get rid of it as an album, and they couldn't delete the songs from random playlists. (Apple, in response to tens of thousands of angry users, later changed the settings so that people could delete it.) Not smart. Sorta the thing that religious fanatics more interested in preaching to an audience than in understanding them or considering them their equals might do... Anyone who owns an Apple device and iTunes is already an idiot. That's what I think. Otherwise, if they weren't idiots, they would be able to work any device, not just one designed for idiots who know nothing about computers. Guy Oseary/U2 - Lefsetz Letter http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/09/16/guy-osearyu2/ Guy Oseary/U2 - Lefsetz Letter http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/09/16/guy-osearyu2/ “U2’s Manager Responds to Backlash: If You Don’t Like This Gift, Delete It” Speaking of tone deaf scumbags… The spam problem is all over the news, I have to delete hundreds of messages a day, but when U2 does it it’s legitimate. Ugh. It’s almost like they don’t live in the real wo... View on lefsetz.com http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/09/16/guy-osearyu2/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Transcendentalism: Established in Being, live your life
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Om, there's a town here full of old meditators who meditate and who don't have a relationship with the TM movement. Lot of meditators would say, Yes I am a meditator but not that. Waving a hand in the general direction of campus and vedic city to the north of town. This has been a quandary for the reformation of the new movement as it goes forward. Me, i am a satisfied customer. I appreciate meditation very much. I only look to the movement to facilitate the large group meditations here hence i am interested in their welfare i hope they can thrive for all our welfare here. The field effect of the group meditation is quite fabulous to Be in. Spiritual wonders really. They are Enormously spiritual in transcendent experience.What blows me away are meditators who would live here who would not go up there to meditate at all in the group. What an amazing lost opportunity of a lifetime, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 wrote : Over the time I have been reading your posts here it sounds like you are one of the few you know who have made yourself independent of the TMO and still meditate - aren't there any other former TM'ers you know or like you they do TM but don't do the Movement? awoelflebater writes: My sister still meditates but that's it. And she was a TM teacher since 1970, taught at MIU and has initiated lots of people. She has no interest or use for the Movement but has been meditating for 46 years. *Apparently there are no TMers on this list that currently work for the TMO. So, I wonder how long Salya has been working tor Yahoo?*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
Yep, a hack. He came in dismissive and ignorant of the material science and the reality of our spiritual experience underlying. He had a story constructed before he came in. It's called sanity. You should try it sometime, possibly with a side order of respect for real science. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:59 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: So proclaims Professor Magillicuddy PhD of all things scientific and provable. Respect for real science by a real science writer: What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for a while. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231
Re: [FairfieldLife] Walk in the Sand
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I strolled in the park this wonderful sunny afternoon towards Ocean Beach. Once I got there, I decided to take my shoes off to walk on the sand and wade through the water's edge to feel the cold waves touch my feet and legs. Ahead of me were kids playing on the sand and dodging the waves as they rolled in. They too were having fun. According to some internet esoteric gurus, like Santos Bonacci, walking with bare feet on the ground is supposed to be good for the physiology. Ayurveda probably has a version of this idea as well. But I can attest that it felt good afterwards and definitely made me feel grounded on terra firma. Ya'll should try it. Like.
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:11 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: As I mentioned, it becomes a matter of choice. Everything is now visible. It becomes a choice to entertain it or not. Any precepts become silly, like the earlier waking state discussion regarding anger. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, what feels right to me is the idea of roasted impressions. IOW, they are still in the field of individuality, but they no longer get activated because they are roasted. What do you think? *According to Vaj, seeded meditation alone does not burn up old karmic impressions. * *In order to perform tapas and burn up your karma you must give up the notion of me and mine - in reality, we do not act at all - it is the accrued karma that acts - the three gunas born of nature that are doing the acting. We are just the witnesses of the karmic acts - then you begin to understand that you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get, due to your samskaras or karma. * *You then give up striving and just do karma yoga for the good of all.You cannot stop acting, but you can realize that the I is not really you true Self - you are the self - the sum total of all your acts since time began.* *When you realize that there is no person doing the acting, you are free relinquish ownership of your acts. When you give up the fruits of your actions you are then able to act in an unselfish way - you just go around doing good for others, your spouse and/or your family. * On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 AM, Richard Williams punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: fleetwood_macncheese: these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, *According to Vaj, seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone strong samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out the weeds.* *http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html* http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html *Samskaras are 'karma', or impressions left by karmic acts. Karma means action' in Sanskrit. In Buddhism, samskaras are mental and volitional formations, accumulated actions over many lives, and present actions as well; samskaras are conditioned phenomena; structures within the unconscious that are the basis for all worldly activities and future rebirth.* *In the enlightenment tradition, the endless round of becoming can be abolished through Yoga, that is, an adept of Yoga can burn up his karma through the practice of tapas, until the sum total of sankaras is zero. When that happens, the yogin is 'liberated' from samsara. There is no return.* *Reference:* *'A Sanskrit-English Dictionary'* *Monier Monier-Williams* On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:07 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I was thinking more about Bhairitu's comment, and I googled 'samskara', and got back mental or emotional pattern. So, the CC Maharishi refers to, is a state of enlightenment, with samskaras mostly intact. This is why he describes it as a state of inner silence, the individual feels enlightened, but this is not reflected in his environment; CC. The silence, or light, or whatever one calls the universal motive force, cannot be reflected in the environment, the outside world, until the samskaras get illuminated, with further enlightenment. Then simply seen for what they are, these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, moving from impenetrable objects, to playthings. After the samskaras begin to get transparent, the silence or light appears to subjectively imbue and penetrate every experience, inside and out - the outside world is now enlightened, to a degree - oneness predominates, UC. A bigger state of enlightenment; the universal motive force is felt and seen everywhere, governing everything -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:44 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oh, MJ, you do make me laugh. It wasn't a hostile interview? Watch it again. You lack perspective. Consider if you were to interview a scientologist, what would you ask them about? A quick google would reveal all sorts of sinister stories and beliefs that the group are alleged to hold, so you ask about those. Be silly not to, if you confine your questions simply to what the organisation wants to talk about you'd be failing in your duty to report what is going on. And this guy had a very real need to get to the bottom of what the TMO is up to financially because of them buying land in Australia and developing it. Everyone will want to know what is going on and to do that you have to look behind the public face. Unfortunately for the TMO everything other than the idea that meditation can be pleasant and have benefits for most people is, if not completely crazy, then at least open to serious questioning. Asking Marshy if he could fly is perfectly reasonable as they make so much money and control so many people because of it. It's only the over-sensitive reverence that people had for him that stopped any of them asking any proper questions whike he was alive. The TMO should be thankful that they never made prime time in the UK, some of the BBC journalists are very nasty indeed when they smell idiocy. I don't think Bevan would last 5 seconds up against Jeremy Paxman for instance. Obscurity can have its advantages. So, you don't want to talk about Rotherham. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It wasn't a hostile interview at all. The reporter was doing his job. When you see things that don't add up, its a reporter's job to ask about the discrepancies. That's what he did. Purely asking logical questions that M and his sycophants couldn't logically answer. -- *From:* s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:33 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Re I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's questions very well, actually. : Yes, it's a hostile interview but that's what happens out there in the world of serious journalism. If MMY had kept his shit together and answered the questions calmly and sensibly he could have saved the situation. He didn't because 1) he wasn't used to dealing with people who weren't fawning over him, and 2) he hadn't thought through the ramifications of his own proposals. To give MMY some slack, I'm not sure when this tape was recorded and he was probably approaching the end game so we can't expect him to be particularly sharp. Nevertheless he did come across as bad-tempered. Aren't sages supposed to be serene when their end comes? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's questions very well, actually. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Great find, Geez. It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's so insane it hurts to look at him. I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, I mean...its surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*. :-) :-) :-) Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This is not a hit job. This is what rational people in the real world think of TM True Believers. And they're right. -- *From:* geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is
Re: [FairfieldLife] my recent media picks
*Director/musician Robert Rodriguez performs at the after party for the premiere of “Sin City: A Dame to Kill For” in San Antonio,Texas * *In the movie world, critics have panned “Sin City: A Dame to Kill For” because of its sex, exploitation and effects-driven violence. I loved the movie because it is, as I told my two sons — who have been required to delight in the Robert Rodriguez film canon — an adoring homage to 1950s film noir.* *'Waiting for the 'white Robert Rodriguez'* http://www.sanantonio-express news/opinion/commentary/Robert-Rodriguez-5734280.php http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Waiting-for-the-white-Robert-Rodriguez-5734280.php On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Horrible Bosses - so much was made of jennifer anniston taking off her clothes that I avoided this one, until it hit the $5 bin. Excellent movie about empowerment, funny as hell, and colin farrell is THE BEST ever. And jennifer anniston takes off her clothes. Wild Indonesia - Just caught this on PBS last night and its not your average nature special - exploding volcanos, manta rays flying through the ocean, Komodo dragons, and the otherworldly Echidna, and Cuttlefish. Breathtaking. The Lego Movie - Quest for The Messiah, a la lego blocks. Colorful, sophisticated and like a visual roller coaster. Some great one liners too. Not just for kiddies. Enjoy!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:33 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: right Michael, it's the same old, same old from you. you'll probably say it a dozen more times before the day ends. *Obviously he's not keeping up with the conversation. He asked Sam Harris to name any good teachers, not even realizing that Sam Harris' teacher was a Tibetan. So, MJ dropped the conversation because he didn't want to offend Barry who just praised Sam Harris and by extension, many Tibetan teachers. Go figure.* *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilgo_Khyentse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilgo_Khyentse* ** *(hey, do you have self imposed quota?)* ** *Maybe he is employing a macro like Judy used to do, except she is a lot smarter than MJ, who probably just copies and pastes the same combination of words into the text box. MJ obviously doesn't want to discuss his own teachers - the Kung Foo Fighters. Go figure.* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It was only biased to someone desperate to see some good in what is mainly crap. And if you would open your eyes, you would see that thousands HAVE had their lives screwed up through believing in the Old Fraud. -- *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:36 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over Did anyone say they could fly. My friend Michael B, was the flyer interviewed. Both he and Bevan were clear that they were hopping. That was the word used, right? Bevan indicated that when the world from free from stress, then people could float. Okay, I'm not buying that. Bevan said he thought MMY could fly. Okay, I'm not buying that. But both parties never indicated that they could do anything but hop. I thought that was made pretty clear. MMY obviously was tired of the same old questions about money etc. In which case, why did they arrange the interview. But, I understood that he was old, and he was grumpy. I thought the interviewer was interested in only one thing, which was to discredit TMO. Okay fair enough, but I expected a 60 Minutes program to not show such a bias on the part of the interviewer. And then to take everything John Knapp says at face value? I thought that was quite cheap. I thought John Knapp's statement were full of inaccuracies, to but it mildly. I thought the woman's statements were also exaggerated. Why didn't she stick to her own experiences instead of stating thousands had the same experience. Is that objective? That's my take. Am I put off by much of TM's affected expressions? Yes, I am. But I recognize biased reporting when I see it. And it wasn't hard to see here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : Fascinating. I wonder what is your take on it? --- steve.sundur@... wrote : You put your own spin on it, just like anyone else. When you've got an axe to grind, then you interpret things accordingly. You are no more free of bias than anyone else. Your statements below reflect that. --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice. --- salyavin808@... wrote : I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation. When I was a newbie meditator I was filled with the usual fervent zeal of the newly converted, convinced I'd discovered some truth that has eluded the mainstream. Imagine my surprise when the Sunday Times did (for some reason) a round up of cults and what they were all about. I was shocked to see TM in there at all but the fact they got a maximum loony rating seemed amazing at the time. But I didn't know anything about them then. You need to be on the inside not to see it. Marshy came over very badly I thought, were you convinced that the reason he refused to meet in person is because he found that new people waste his time? What sort of crappy excuse is that. Can you fly? is a perfectly reasonable question to someone who makes a fortune out of telling others they can. And the faux grovelling outrage by Bev and Da king convinced me not at all. Bottom line, someone didn't take them seriously and they didn't like it. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : Great find, Geez. It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many people I know personally, just after
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
*So, you don't want to talk about the Rotherham scandal cover-up. Go figure.* *South Yorkshire's police and crime commissioner Shaun Wright, who has resigned over the Rotherham child sex abuse scandal. Photograph: Lynne Cameron/PA* The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/16/rotherham-child-sex-abuse-pcc-shaun-wright-resigns On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I imagined JH coming up against Paxman on Newsnight and thought that would be unlikely to be shown on a course to people trying to rest. LOL Or was it something more sinister? Were they trying to aggrandize the research by getting us to think it had survived some sort of media scrutiny, however limp and anodyne. Lying to make us believe it because other people did? My other story concerned the day I saved the TMO from just such a fate as the interview we were talking about. We were in the Media office and a request came through to have Geoffrey Clements on a Channel 4 prog hosted by one Graham Norton. There was real excitement about it as C4 is a major channel, but I put a stop to it for the very good reason that it was post-pub viewing and Norton is a notoriously sarcastic interviewer who revels in making people uncomfortable. The whole programme is the opposite of the sort of stage the TMO, especially the leader of the NLP, would want to be on. He never would have coped either, the place would have been full of drunk teenagers laughing at him. The opposite of the sort of reception he gets in the TMO where everyone had to give him respect because he was Marshy's choice of top dog. We were better off in our stately homes away from the prying and cynical eyes of the press I thought. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice. I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation. It's more than a little scary that people like sometimes-rational feste don't see the insanity in this news clip that 99.99% of the world's population would see. Maharishi is just fuckin' GONE, man, which one might attribute just to senility and old age, if it weren't for the fact that most of the other people who represent the TMO in the segment are equally GONE. Bevan has never *been* more embarrassing than he was in this bit, and that's really saying something. I still think that a lot of it w.r.t. the brainwashing is the frog in the pot syndrome. Yeah, I know it's probably a real phenomenon, but the metaphor was that if you put a frog in a pot of hot water, he recognizes the threat to life and just jumps out. Put a frog in cold water and slowly raise the temperature, and he'll just sit there and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Barry, this is why, if you are so inclined, it is really a good idea to follow Sam Harris's advice and choose a guru carefully. You studied with a teacher, who has apparently taught you to avoid reality, or provided you with nothing to rid yourself of some pesky past impressions, a la TM and Maharishi. Dr. Frederick Lenz was a good English teacher but maybe not so good as a spiritual guru. For the record, Rama never claimed to be able to levitate and do any magic tricks - that's just stuff Barry made up in his puffed-up pride and arrogance. In fact, most of the things Lenz wrote and said were very much based on the reality of the spiritual life. Barry just got mixed up and got a lot of things backwards. Go figure. http://www.ramaquotes.com/tree.html You rant and you rave, but the freedom you seek, through your own enlightenment eludes you, and you express this drivel instead. The kind of self righteous anger and indignation you work yourself up into, is a waste of your time, a waste of my time, and a waste of everyone else's, except Michael's. He does seem to get water to reach it's own level. But, I am surprised he was able to cow xeno into his little filtering game. Some people are highly probe to suggestions. So, we can see that Barry does have some influence around here, at least with a few newbie nerds. You let yourself be consumed in every way possible, though mental distraction, pointing fingers everywhere - but even your phalanx of digits cannot protect you from yourself. So let's hear it - What have you done lately, and just this once, watching the tv, doesn't count. You have to realize,Jim, that Barry leads a very simple spiritual life - a few good books, a snack at a cafe or a drink at a bar, and posting to social media. For some people that's all there is to their daily spiritual practice. They just don't have the discipline to get up early to meditate and then go for a walk to enjoy nature or a drive around town to see the sights with their daughter. Some people are just not very motivated, or free, or are able - to afford a wheeled vehicle. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice. I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation. It's more than a little scary that people like sometimes-rational feste don't see the insanity in this news clip that 99.99% of the world's population would see. Maharishi is just fuckin' GONE, man, which one might attribute just to senility and old age, if it weren't for the fact that most of the other people who represent the TMO in the segment are equally GONE. Bevan has never *been* more embarrassing than he was in this bit, and that's really saying something. I still think that a lot of it w.r.t. the brainwashing is the frog in the pot syndrome. Yeah, I know it's probably a real phenomenon, but the metaphor was that if you put a frog in a pot of hot water, he recognizes the threat to life and just jumps out. Put a frog in cold water and slowly raise the temperature, and he'll just sit there and allow himself to be boiled to death because he gets used to it in small increments. That's what happened to formerly rational TMers. The brainwashing snuck up on them over a period of years and decades. Over that time they got used to seeing things around them that would sent had them running for the exits if they'd been allowed to see them during their first months with TM, but by the time they *did* get to see them they'd been trained to consider these things normal. This is what is scariest to normal 99.99% people watching clips like this one. It's *not* the craziness of the principals, like Maharishi and Bevan and King Tony -- it's the craziness of people like feste who make excuses for them, and write off their obvious insanity by claiming the interview was a hatchet job. Now *that* is scary. You'd almost *expect* the leaders of a worldwide cult to be crazy, but the everyday followers of the cult? When I was a newbie meditator I was filled with the usual fervent zeal of the newly converted, convinced I'd discovered some truth that has eluded the mainstream. Imagine my surprise when the Sunday Times did (for some
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: They are finally improving, with the current wave of celebrity interest, but the TMO has ALWAYS, imo, been a public relations disaster, hands-down. Maharishi must have designed it that way. Elephants, bagpipes, the cream colored suits, awkward haircuts, overly soft speech, saris, that overwhelming amount of gold script, with gold borders, on cream and rose background, accompanying every news release, the ads, raja crowns and robes, the endless pachelbel's canon - every bit of it still makes some of us bristle. *There are going to be some misfits in any large organization, for example, Barry Wright and Lon P. Stacks. The problem is not so much MMY, but the level of sophistication of his followers.* *Considering that MMY was a small guy carrying just a rolled-up carpet, who came out the Himalayas, I think in comparison MMY did a pretty good job of PR. He did catch a lot of attention - in fact, compared to most professionals, MMY was PR genius!* *From being a virtually unknown and obscure scribe to becoming the Beatles guru and the head of a billion-dollar spiritual organization, is quite an accomplishment, gold-leaf and cream-colored suits or no. * *There are not very many individuals in this world that are able to live up to such a dynamic personality like MMY - someone who by virtue of his mere words, created a world-wide following. Who could top that? * Unlike anything that came before - Unique, though pretty dorky in much of its execution. Seems like Maharishi was trying to bust some boundaries, and even long after his death, it looks like he is succeeding. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I imagined JH coming up against Paxman on Newsnight and thought that would be unlikely to be shown on a course to people trying to rest. LOL Or was it something more sinister? Were they trying to aggrandize the research by getting us to think it had survived some sort of media scrutiny, however limp and anodyne. Lying to make us believe it because other people did? My other story concerned the day I saved the TMO from just such a fate as the interview we were talking about. We were in the Media office and a request came through to have Geoffrey Clements on a Channel 4 prog hosted by one Graham Norton. There was real excitement about it as C4 is a major channel, but I put a stop to it for the very good reason that it was post-pub viewing and Norton is a notoriously sarcastic interviewer who revels in making people uncomfortable. The whole programme is the opposite of the sort of stage the TMO, especially the leader of the NLP, would want to be on. He never would have coped either, the place would have been full of drunk teenagers laughing at him. The opposite of the sort of reception he gets in the TMO where everyone had to give him respect because he was Marshy's choice of top dog. We were better off in our stately homes away from the prying and cynical eyes of the press I thought. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Excellent find, prison boy! That
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wipe them out (Syrian Rebels, IS in a Pact)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I'm not sure that jihadists driven to such horrific acts will cave in due to their own vileness. And certainly not in response to the world's censure. They LIVE FOR that censure. imo. My plan would be to send in a thousand drones to wipe out their infrastructure. First, disable all the tanks, jeeps, and Toyotas and then hit their oil and fuel processing facilities and pipelines. Then, enforce a no-drive zone on any highway or road in the entire ISIS-controlled areas. Without fuel, money coming in and no vehicles, it probably wouldn't take six months before the rag heads all come out with their hands in the air waving a white flag looking for a ride to a meal. Then, we would arrest all the leaders and hold them at Gitmo until they get a NSA chip implanted in their forehead so we could track them anywhere they go. Then, we would put the ISIS leaders to work in an ebola clinic for the rest of their lives. If there were any objections and for some reason this plan failed, we would then consider emptybll's final solution. On Monday, September 15, 2014 11:29 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Jedi, That's too extreme. Non-combatants will be killed along with the hard core criminals. I don't believe the world would accept that solution. The ISIS militants are already feeling the world opinion against their ideology. They will eventually cave-in due to their own vileness. Once the Iraqi forces take back their towns and lands, ISIS will be surrounded in their homeground in Syria by forces that are against them. It's possible that Assad's forces could wipe them out first. If not, Obama could start bombing their weapons and equipment to further degrade ISIS. But this could also create international furor for attacking a sovereign land in Syria. Assad would complain, but he would be secretly rejoicing in that the Americans are attacking his own enemy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : You want my advice? A single neutron bomb would be enough to wipe them out. The infrastructure will remain intact. These people are savage bandits. There is no other way out of this. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Actually it would be easier for the Iraqi forces to retake the towns that the ISIS militants have occupied after the US bombs the ISIS equipment, weapons and stronghold. However, it's another scenario in Syria itself. At this time, I would assume Assad's forces are more likely to finish the job after the US bombs the ISIS stronghold, equipment and weapons. If they don't, the so-called friendly militants would take control and Assad's power will more likely be degraded. The soldiers that are flying the drones can see fairly well through the cameras from as far as 5 to 6 miles away. They can pick out enemy combatants.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Elsewhere in cult news...
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Personally, I use all the mainstream OSs. My webserver is an iMac. My office desktop is a fanless, completely silent PC running Win 7. My favorite laptop is a 13 aluminum MacBook. I have two iPads, and my phone is a Samsung Galaxy S4. My least favorite of those OSs is iOS, but the iPads are really great for the limited things I use them for. With the two apps I use that are available for both Android and iOS, DirecTV and IP Cam Viewer, in both cases, the iPad versions are far superior to the Android versions. In terms of playing music, I absolutely hate Apple devices and iTunes. *Apple iTunes sucks!* *I can't imagine someone who is supposed to smart, letting Apple download a U2 album onto their iPhone that can't be deleted. I don't even know why Barry brought the subject up except to throw a punch at some lonely TMer on an Android device. * *Everyone knows now that Barry uses an iPhone 4 with iTunes. Go figure.* *We are using the Acer Chrome Book to controll our living room entertainment center - it only costs $199.00 compared to a MacBook which costs $1,234.00. It's not perfect, but it beats an Apple TV remote!* I like my ancient MP3 player that takes a single AAA battery and is loaded by simply dragging folders and files onto it in Windows Explorer. The kitchen radio is a refurb Windows laptop with Winamp, because it is far superior at playing and bookmarking online streaming stations than anything in the Appleverse. As for a laptop used as a mobile device, Windows is total shit compared to the MacBook. The Mac's multitouch touchpad is vastly superior, and closing the lid on a Macbook puts it into a sleep mode that actually works, unlike any Windows laptop I've ever owned. My MacBook goes in and out of sleep mode for months on end without a complete reboot, and it always works perfectly; open the lid, the desktop comes up instantly, and it logs onto the WiFi; shut the lid, and it goes back to sleep. For a phone, I really like Android. For me, the menu and back buttons make it a far more usable OS than iOS. And, it's also really nice being able to root Android and gain greater control over the phone. But, Petra's two Android phones were never a good match for her limited technical abilities. She's completely comfortable with her beloved iPad, and when US Cellular started carrying iPhones, I got her one as soon as she qualified for an upgrade. For her, having a phone that's a miniature iPad is ideal. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pundits...@gmail.com wrote : Anyone who owns an Apple device and iTunes is already an idiot. That's what I think. Otherwise, if they weren't idiots, they would be able to work any device, not just one designed for idiots who know nothing about computers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, I always found the media presentations of the movement made me cringe. A complete lack of awareness of how ordinary people think, totally unslick. *Maybe I'm not understanding what media presentations you're talking about. It's pretty impressive to get your name mentioned in almost every newspaper in the world and your picture on the cover of Post, Pageant, Time magazine and your meditation technique mentioned in Science.* But then a strong belief system makes one unaware of other viewpoints. *Maybe that's what prevents you from appreciating the genius of the MMY PR machine: TM is now the most popular meditation technique in the history of the yoga tradition. Go figure.* Below, Non sequitur. how Pachelbel's Canon probably sounded at the time he wrote it, a much more sprightly piece than the modernised, romanticised version that is popular. It was originally followed by a Gigue (absent from the recording linked to here). It was originally written for three violins and continuo (bass instruments like violoncello, violone, harpsichord, therobo, as was available). As you compose, you might find this interesting. Pachelbel's Canon in D Major (Musica Antiqua Köln) http://youtu.be/MtZjROpBReM [image: image] http://youtu.be/MtZjROpBReM Pachelbel's Canon in D Major (Musica Antiqua Köln) http://youtu.be/MtZjROpBReM View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/MtZjROpBReM Preview by Yahoo -- *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:33 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over They are finally improving, with the current wave of celebrity interest, but the TMO has ALWAYS, imo, been a public relations disaster, hands-down. Maharishi must have designed it that way. Elephants, bagpipes, the cream colored suits, awkward haircuts, overly soft speech, saris, that overwhelming amount of gold script, with gold borders, on cream and rose background, accompanying every news release, the ads, raja crowns and robes, the endless pachelbel's canon - every bit of it still makes some of us bristle. Unlike anything that came before - Unique, though pretty dorky in much of its execution. Seems like Maharishi was trying to bust some boundaries, and even long after his death, it looks like he is succeeding.
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
Like. It sounds so simple that one wonders why Barry doesn't get it, even after reading a Sam Harris book. Go figure. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:47 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It is an automatic process, Richard. The Self begins to witness in every moment, so that rather than having any attention, on giving up anything, it actually becomes impossible to be attached to anything. This can't be understood in the waking state. Once a person lives in freedom, a person can tackle any situation successfully. Life becomes as simple as we want it to be. Attachment is impossible, so even the most joyful and the most painful moments will pass. Contrary to what the rational mind may think, the witness capability, is not some sort of anesthetic. As Ann and I were discussing, life is so visceral, sensual and alive within itself, that even the witness revels in fullness. Everything is uncovered and seen for what it is. The inside and outside are balanced. Attachment, and its consequent delusion, are impossible, in a life lived in eternal freedom. No need whatsoever, to think about non-attachment. It is automatic, after awhile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:11 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: As I mentioned, it becomes a matter of choice. Everything is now visible. It becomes a choice to entertain it or not. Any precepts become silly, like the earlier waking state discussion regarding anger. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, what feels right to me is the idea of roasted impressions. IOW, they are still in the field of individuality, but they no longer get activated because they are roasted. What do you think? *According to Vaj, seeded meditation alone does not burn up old karmic impressions. * *In order to perform tapas and burn up your karma you must give up the notion of me and mine - in reality, we do not act at all - it is the accrued karma that acts - the three gunas born of nature that are doing the acting. We are just the witnesses of the karmic acts - then you begin to understand that you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get, due to your samskaras or karma. * *You then give up striving and just do karma yoga for the good of all.You cannot stop acting, but you can realize that the I is not really you true Self - you are the self - the sum total of all your acts since time began.* *When you realize that there is no person doing the acting, you are free relinquish ownership of your acts. When you give up the fruits of your actions you are then able to act in an unselfish way - you just go around doing good for others, your spouse and/or your family. * On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 AM, Richard Williams punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: fleetwood_macncheese: these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, *According to Vaj, seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone strong samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out the weeds.* *http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html* http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html *Samskaras are 'karma', or impressions left by karmic acts. Karma means action' in Sanskrit. In Buddhism, samskaras are mental and volitional formations, accumulated actions over many lives, and present actions as well; samskaras are conditioned phenomena; structures within the unconscious that are the basis for all worldly activities and future rebirth.* *In the enlightenment tradition, the endless round of becoming can be abolished through Yoga, that is, an adept of Yoga can burn up his karma through the practice of tapas, until the sum total of sankaras is zero. When that happens, the yogin is 'liberated' from samsara. There is no return.* *Reference:* *'A Sanskrit-English Dictionary'* *Monier Monier-Williams* On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:07 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I was thinking more about Bhairitu's comment, and I googled 'samskara', and got back mental or emotional pattern. So, the CC Maharishi refers to, is a state of enlightenment, with samskaras mostly intact. This is why he describes it as a state of inner silence, the individual feels enlightened, but this is not reflected in his environment; CC. The silence, or light, or whatever one calls the universal motive force, cannot be reflected in the environment, the outside world, until the samskaras get illuminated, with further enlightenment. Then simply seen for what they are, these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, moving from impenetrable objects, to
[FairfieldLife] What People Buy
We went by this place yesterday in the mall, but we didn't buy a watch since we already have an Apple watch. *Lee Michaels at North Star Mall, San Antonio*
Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:13 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by disagreeing with it. Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book. He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had about my own irregular practice of mindfulness meditation and how it relates to my previous experience with TM. *Vipassana or mindlullness is simple concentration on the breath with the goal of calming the mind. The problem is the will-to-believe: if you don't believe in the enlightenment tradition, you might as well take a nap on the bed, and just try to relax and count sheep. When you take Buddha out of the meditation you are left with just a relaxation technique.* Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient. I am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.) I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will give you props for that. The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought provoking. Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet. Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut it for me. That has the epistemological solidity of Dungeons and Dragons role play games. Sam's description of being caught up in and identified with thoughts as suffering and experiencing the illusion of the self as freedom seems unwarranted to me. It reminds me of Maharishi's condescending letter to the peaceless and suffering humanity in its presumptions. They both should just speak for themselves to those of us who do not share their perspective. They are trying to impose a problem on me that I do not have. I agree with Sam that the silent aspect of my consciousness is not a Self' in the way Maharishi claimed. I found this satisfying because when I tried TM again after 18 years without the belief system I was struck with how bogus this claim seemed to me. I am not sure it is realizing the illusion of self either as Sam claims. It just seems to be a thing we can do with our minds that is
Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:13 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by disagreeing with it. Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book. He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had about my own irregular practice of mindfulness meditation and how it relates to my previous experience with TM. Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient. I am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.) I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will give you props for that. The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought provoking. Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet. Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut it for me. That has the epistemological solidity of Dungeons and Dragons role play games. Sam's description of being caught up in and identified with thoughts as suffering and experiencing the illusion of the self as freedom seems unwarranted to me. It reminds me of Maharishi's condescending letter to the peaceless and suffering humanity in its presumptions. They both should just speak for themselves to those of us who do not share their perspective. They are trying to impose a problem on me that I do not have. I agree with Sam that the silent aspect of my consciousness is not a Self' in the way Maharishi claimed. I found this satisfying because when I tried TM again after 18 years without the belief system I was struck with how bogus this claim seemed to me. I am not sure it is realizing the illusion of self either as Sam claims. It just seems to be a thing we can do with our minds that is satisfying for its own sake and seems to feel like a good place to flow from afterward. Speaking of flow , this concept of flow states in activity holds much more appeal for me than static meditation. I believe we reach the goal of meditation states through many means that force us to act more directly from our more full capacity of our unconscious processes,
Re: [FairfieldLife] US Troops May Be Back in Iraq
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: General Dempsey, the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon, said that half of the Iraqi army can't fight. So, it would not be possible to defeat ISIS. The problem is the America will to fight the good fight. We spent ten years winning the war in Iraq, only to watch the U.S. Congress piss it away by listening to the liberal public. The U.S. Congress is asleep at the wheel - we've got to throw the bums out. Now people are starting to wake up and a majority of Americans think we should do more to prevent the catastrophe in Iraq. Iraq Will Be One Of The Greatest Achievements of This Administration - Joe Biden in 2010. http://news.yahoo.com/dempsey-half-iraqi-army-not-ok-us-partners-052845869.html?clear-cache
Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Looks like about a 5 shot Americano rap. Tried a Starbuck's Clover yet? ;-) *Non sequitur.* As you know I would agree with you that ranking spiritual experiences is bogus. As I said the other day (as well as many other times) Maharishi kinda confused folks with levels of enlightenment. *Pointing out the different levels of consciousness is probably as old as India itself. One of the oldest doctrines in India is based on numbers - the term sankhya pertains to number - a radical dualism - the three constituents and the 32 tatvas of nature. There is nothing bogus about counting - apparently the Hindus discovered the naught and Arabic numerals.* In many simpler Indian traditions you are either experiencing enlightenment or not. *In most Indian traditions there is no enlightenment tradition - the vast majority of Indians follow the Bhakt tradition based on devotional service - they do not believe in yogic personal enlightenment.* And as Earl Kaplan pointed out in that letter of his he learned what I did visiting India: enlightenment is not that uncommon. He found out that what MY was teaching is common all over India: meditation on istadevata. On 09/17/2014 10:13 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by disagreeing with it. Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book. He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had about my own irregular practice of mindfulness meditation and how it relates to my previous experience with TM. Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient. I am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.) I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will give you props for that. The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought provoking. Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet. Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut it for me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: any university that teaches and preaches that Hindu priests can change the world through butter and chanting sacrifices is some sort of science, not to mention the idea that foam hopping as scientifically verified positive effects on society is definitely so-called. *You are definitely prejudiced against Hindus. There are thousands of universities the world over that preach that prayer can have a positive effect on society. Even foam hopping or levitating up off of a sofa can change some people's world. Ask Barry if you don't believe me.* -- *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:01 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over I am sure you are right about the nastiness of the BBC, which continually covered up for the necrophiliac psychopathic monster Jimmy Saville. But this Australian 60 Minutes segment was biased and hostile from start to finish. It doesn't take a genius to see it. Just to give one example from what I remember, the reporter referred to MUM as a so-called university. Wrong. It's an accredited university and is this year celebrating its 40th anniversary here in Fairfield. There's nothing so-called about it. You might as well refer to Iowa Wesleyan College, just 20 miles down the road from it, as a so-called college. (And having taught at both, I can tell you that MUM has brighter students, in my experience.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Oh, MJ, you do make me laugh. It wasn't a hostile interview? Watch it again. You lack perspective. Consider if you were to interview a scientologist, what would you ask them about? A quick google would reveal all sorts of sinister stories and beliefs that the group are alleged to hold, so you ask about those. Be silly not to, if you confine your questions simply to what the organisation wants to talk about you'd be failing in your duty to report what is going on. And this guy had a very real need to get to the bottom of what the TMO is up to financially because of them buying land in Australia and developing it. Everyone will want to know what is going on and to do that you have to look behind the public face. Unfortunately for the TMO everything other than the idea that meditation can be pleasant and have benefits for most people is, if not completely crazy, then at least open to serious questioning. Asking Marshy if he could fly is perfectly reasonable as they make so much money and control so many people because of it. It's only the over-sensitive reverence that people had for him that stopped any of them asking any proper questions whike he was alive. The TMO should be thankful that they never made prime time in the UK, some of the BBC journalists are very nasty indeed when they smell idiocy. I don't think Bevan would last 5 seconds up against Jeremy Paxman for instance. Obscurity can have its advantages. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It wasn't a hostile interview at all. The reporter was doing his job. When you see things that don't add up, its a reporter's job to ask about the discrepancies. That's what he did. Purely asking logical questions that M and his sycophants couldn't logically answer. -- *From:* s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:33 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Re I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's questions very well, actually. : Yes, it's a hostile interview but that's what happens out there in the world of serious journalism. If MMY had kept his shit together and answered the questions calmly and sensibly he could have saved the situation. He didn't because 1) he wasn't used to dealing with people who weren't fawning over him, and 2) he hadn't thought through the ramifications of his own proposals. To give MMY some slack, I'm not sure when this tape was recorded and he was probably approaching the end game so we can't expect him to be particularly sharp. Nevertheless he did come across as bad-tempered. Aren't sages supposed to be serene when their end comes? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's questions very well, actually.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mahesh Yogi was not qualified to provide a commentary on the remainder of the Bhagavad Gita. *There was no need to publish a comment on the remaining chapters since MMY had already made clear the keystone in the arch of the BG: II verse 45.* *In commenting on Bhagavad Gita, MMY has brought our attention to the existence of the gunas, whose concern is action, which, in every case, is the result of the interplay of three constituents born of nature - eternal becoming, termed Prakriti in the Gita. * *Rajas, sattva and tamas - these three propensities regulate the state of action and are relative to each other and to all that exists in the phenomenal world. That is, nature, which is everything, is subject to the law of causation - cause and effect. It is the gunas, without exception, that govern all action-reaction in the material world. * *However, Maharishi has also called our attention to the fact that nature, governed by the three gunas, is entirely separate from the transcendental field - the field of Being, termed Purusha in the BG. * *MMY on the Bhagavad Gita: * *CBG: II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384 *
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wipe them out (Syrian Rebels, IS in a Pact)
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yikes, Richard! You've really given this a lot of thought. Even down to the detail about sending ISIS leaders to work in ebola clinics. I'd say those patients are already suffering enough! *Not to attend the sick, but to cremate the dead bodies.Someone has to do it.* Do you have an alternative plan? *The alternative plan is the final solution: nuke Mecca, with a threat to do the same to Medina. But I really think my plan is better - it's hard to field an army with no fuel or food when your life depends on a Toyota for a runner to get to a market.* On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:31 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I'm not sure that jihadists driven to such horrific acts will cave in due to their own vileness. And certainly not in response to the world's censure. They LIVE FOR that censure. imo. My plan would be to send in a thousand drones to wipe out their infrastructure. First, disable all the tanks, jeeps, and Toyotas and then hit their oil and fuel processing facilities and pipelines. Then, enforce a no-drive zone on any highway or road in the entire ISIS-controlled areas. Without fuel, money coming in and no vehicles, it probably wouldn't take six months before the rag heads all come out with their hands in the air waving a white flag looking for a ride to a meal. Then, we would arrest all the leaders and hold them at Gitmo until they get a NSA chip implanted in their forehead so we could track them anywhere they go. Then, we would put the ISIS leaders to work in an ebola clinic for the rest of their lives. If there were any objections and for some reason this plan failed, we would then consider emptybll's final solution. On Monday, September 15, 2014 11:29 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Jedi, That's too extreme. Non-combatants will be killed along with the hard core criminals. I don't believe the world would accept that solution. The ISIS militants are already feeling the world opinion against their ideology. They will eventually cave-in due to their own vileness. Once the Iraqi forces take back their towns and lands, ISIS will be surrounded in their homeground in Syria by forces that are against them. It's possible that Assad's forces could wipe them out first. If not, Obama could start bombing their weapons and equipment to further degrade ISIS. But this could also create international furor for attacking a sovereign land in Syria. Assad would complain, but he would be secretly rejoicing in that the Americans are attacking his own enemy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : You want my advice? A single neutron bomb would be enough to wipe them out. The infrastructure will remain intact. These people are savage bandits. There is no other way out of this. --- jr_esq@... wrote : Actually it would be easier for the Iraqi forces to retake the towns that the ISIS militants have occupied after the US bombs the ISIS equipment, weapons and stronghold. However, it's another scenario in Syria itself. At this time, I would assume Assad's forces are more likely to finish the job after the US bombs the ISIS stronghold, equipment and weapons. If they don't, the so-called friendly militants would take control and Assad's power will more likely be degraded. The soldiers that are flying the drones can see fairly well through the cameras from as far as 5 to 6 miles away. They can pick out enemy combatants.
Re: [FairfieldLife] US Troops May Be Back in Iraq
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: That's Iraq's problem not ours. *You built it - you own it.* It was a stable before we decided trash the place back 2003. *It was as near a failed state as you can get.* I'll send General Dempsey my tax bill. *You don't pay any federal income tax - you got a refund and an earned income credit.* ISIL is just a bunch of recruited street thugs anyway and well trained police could take them out. *You have to have the will to fight the good fight - Iraqi police do not have the will - that's why they fled.* On 09/17/2014 11:58 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: General Dempsey, the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon, said that half of the Iraqi army can't fight. So, it would not be possible to defeat ISIS. http://news.yahoo.com/dempsey-half-iraqi-army-not-ok-us-partners-052845869.html?clear-cache
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:42 PM, netineti108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: So what you insinuate here is that chapters 7-18 are insignificant and not worthy of his time. What I am insinuating is that if you don't understand Chapter II verse 45 of BG, and you don't know TM, and you have not read the MMY's CBG, is that Chapter 7-18 are insignificant and not worth my time discussing it with you. What is written above is just intellectuallizing and is not a path with knowledge to navigate. It's sounds pretty clear to me - go beyond or transcend the three gunas born of nature. *Oh Arjuna, the Vedic scriptures deal with subjects in the three modes of the material nature. Become self-realized, transcendent to the three modes in pure consciousness, free from duality and free from conceptions of acquisition and preservation.* http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-02-44.html It is nothing new. Maybe to the Western mind, but not to those who are brought up in the Vedic tradition. Which Mahesh Yogi was not. He was a clerk. He was a yogi clerk - that's how he wrote his commentary. He said, I am not a personal guru yet so many ignorant souls did not know what Guru is. You are mistaken - he did not say this anywhere in CBG. Speak for yourself. *MMY on the Bhagavad Gita: * *CBG: II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384 *
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Except, as we've heard here many a time, it really wasn't his commentary. He just approved but gave no credit to the scholar who wrote it. Vernon Katz did the transliteration on CBG. Everyone knows the commentary of MMY is by MMY - who else would have composed it? So it goes in the big business of cults. So, it goes - do you have any evidence that MMY did not dictate the CBG commentary? If so, just post it so we can read it. Thanks. On 09/17/2014 03:19 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I wasn't there, with Shiva, or Parvati, during that discussion, and I just wouldn't take an interpretation, on face value, from a third party. I liked MMY's commentary - but I admit not having read any appreciable amount of it, in years. Perhaps I will pick it up again. PS Anyone can write a commentary. Whether or not people consider it authoritative, is a personal matter, and not given to supposed edicts, from you, or anyone else. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Who is limiting their horizon, here? For decades I thought Mahesh Yogi's commentary was the be all and end all of Bhagavad Gita commentaries. Why? Because the movement said so. Ignorance is Bliss. Lord Shiva's discourse to Goddess Parvati...Sri Guru Gita explains who is qualified and who is not. It is clear from this scripture where Mahesh Yogi stood.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I have seen a couple posts that alluded to this - but I don't know any details, who is it that actually wrote the commentary and why did he or she do it? *If you had been keeping up with the conversation you would already know that Judy blew to bits the theory that somebody else wrote CBG. Go figure.* -- *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. Except, as we've heard here many a time, it really wasn't his commentary. He just approved but gave no credit to the scholar who wrote it. So it goes in the big business of cults. On 09/17/2014 03:19 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I wasn't there, with Shiva, or Parvati, during that discussion, and I just wouldn't take an interpretation, on face value, from a third party. I liked MMY's commentary - but I admit not having read any appreciable amount of it, in years. Perhaps I will pick it up again. PS Anyone can write a commentary. Whether or not people consider it authoritative, is a personal matter, and not given to supposed edicts, from you, or anyone else. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Who is limiting their horizon, here? For decades I thought Mahesh Yogi's commentary was the be all and end all of Bhagavad Gita commentaries. Why? Because the movement said so. Ignorance is Bliss. Lord Shiva's discourse to Goddess Parvati...Sri Guru Gita explains who is qualified and who is not. It is clear from this scripture where Mahesh Yogi stood.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:35 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: hmmm, missed it. sorry. I am really shocked, really surprised, they didn't run your entire 30 minutes on national TV, and hold the rest of the news for another time. After all, its YOU. I mean, what could be more important than you, giving your intro lecture, in its entirety? Fuckers. They should produce an NBC documentary, immediately, called, WTF happened to Barry Wright? *If they are not there to video tape the Rama guy levitating hundreds of times, why would anyone be there to video tape Barry giving an introductory lecture standing on the church grounds?* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the final cut. Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine from A Fish Called Wanda. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a regular basis. Not. Never happened again. Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. -- *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader,
Re: [FairfieldLife] This just in . . .
This message seems like it is prejudiced against Hindus. *The word is often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavorable, judgments toward people or a person because of gender, political opinion, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality or other personal characteristics.* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to be fair and balanced, let it be noted that Krishna told Arjuna to kill all of the enemy. Not that Arjuna had a nuclear bomb -- as did his twin brother (the Brahma boon's mantra) -- but he and the other four pandas did pretty much then go and do GENOCIDE. *Prejudice: a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.* So, Willy's in good company, eh? *In good company that you voted for - Barack Obama - the President you voted for and then threw under the bus.* Of course, Krishna didn't tell Arjuna to kill the women and children too as Willy suggested. *You are lying - Willy did not suggest to kill all the ISIS women and children. He suggested to starve them into submission, then arrest the ISIS leaders and put them to work burning the dead ebola victims.* I guess Willy's BETTER at genocide than GOD. *Which GOD - the ISIS GOD? * GO THE FUCK AND FIGURE. *GO FUCK YOURSELF.*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: and your TM positive schtick is what, a rut? Or some blissful truth Marshy graciously gave you? Or a rut? *Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence.* -- *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over I can't help wonder, Michael, how this etched in granite attitude that you have towards the TMO, impervious to any evidence to the contrary, plays out in real life. Let's hope that your dysfunctionality and obsessiveness is limited only to the TMO, but I suspect that is not the case. We know that when you eat a pizza, you think of Maharishi, and the act of eating the pizza becomes an act of defiance, but I suspect it plays out in many other ways as well. To most others, I think it looks like a rut,but for you, it's just normal. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : feste, steve, doc, Buck, Nabby et al just cannot allow themselves to admit it was decent reporting, they have to find fault with the outsider, because if they look at the clip objectively then their whole hose of cards falls apart. -- *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:44 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Oh, MJ, you do make me laugh. It wasn't a hostile interview? Watch it again. You lack perspective. Consider if you were to interview a scientologist, what would you ask them about? A quick google would reveal all sorts of sinister stories and beliefs that the group are alleged to hold, so you ask about those. Be silly not to, if you confine your questions simply to what the organisation wants to talk about you'd be failing in your duty to report what is going on. And this guy had a very real need to get to the bottom of what the TMO is up to financially because of them buying land in Australia and developing it. Everyone will want to know what is going on and to do that you have to look behind the public face. Unfortunately for the TMO everything other than the idea that meditation can be pleasant and have benefits for most people is, if not completely crazy, then at least open to serious questioning. Asking Marshy if he could fly is perfectly reasonable as they make so much money and control so many people because of it. It's only the over-sensitive reverence that people had for him that stopped any of them asking any proper questions whike he was alive. The TMO should be thankful that they never made prime time in the UK, some of the BBC journalists are very nasty indeed when they smell idiocy. I don't think Bevan would last 5 seconds up against Jeremy Paxman for instance. Obscurity can have its advantages. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It wasn't a hostile interview at all. The reporter was doing his job. When you see things that don't add up, its a reporter's job to ask about the discrepancies. That's what he did. Purely asking logical questions that M and his sycophants couldn't logically answer. -- *From:* s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:33 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Re I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's questions very well, actually. : Yes, it's a hostile interview but that's what happens out there in the world of serious journalism. If MMY had kept his shit together and answered the questions calmly and sensibly he could have saved the situation. He didn't because 1) he wasn't used to dealing with people who weren't fawning over him, and 2) he hadn't thought through the ramifications of his own proposals. To give MMY some slack, I'm not sure when this tape was recorded and he was probably approaching the end game so we can't expect him to be particularly sharp. Nevertheless he did come across as bad-tempered. Aren't sages supposed to be serene when their end comes? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I found it quite entertaining but this is not serious journalism. It's a hatchet job, anyone can see that. I thought Bevan handled the reporter's questions very well, actually. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:07 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I know! It is funny as hell to observe - seems so random, and fulfilling, and mysterious, and utterly mundane, all at the same time. *Karma is never random - it works on all levels just the way it's supposed to work. There are no chance events in the law of karma. You know it when you stub your toe - that there is a person who feels pain. That's the bottom line - who is exactly that feels the pain? When you hurt your foot, is it Barry that suffers? No.* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : My experience has been that I don't exist. It just seems that I go through the week as someone just doing something. And it's not weird at all. Like you say it may be a little difficult to fathom intellectually especially if some people have had few experiences even of transcending. It's just at some point you no longer come out of meditation and it's not spaciness either an issue that David Frawely has tackled in some of his writings about false enlightenment. Just do some grounding things and if the experience remains it isn't spaciness. On 09/17/2014 08:47 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is an automatic process, Richard. The Self begins to witness in every moment, so that rather than having any attention, on giving up anything, it actually becomes impossible to be attached to anything. This can't be understood in the waking state. Once a person lives in freedom, a person can tackle any situation successfully. Life becomes as simple as we want it to be. Attachment is impossible, so even the most joyful and the most painful moments will pass. Contrary to what the rational mind may think, the witness capability, is not some sort of anesthetic. As Ann and I were discussing, life is so visceral, sensual and alive within itself, that even the witness revels in fullness. Everything is uncovered and seen for what it is. The inside and outside are balanced. Attachment, and its consequent delusion, are impossible, in a life lived in eternal freedom. No need whatsoever, to think about non-attachment. It is automatic, after awhile. -
Re: [FairfieldLife] My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:14 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ha-ha - caffeined. I agree that the 'levels' thing can be really confusing, but I do like that it shows first the lighting inside, spreading to the outside, then illuminating everything, with perception changing appropriately along the way, aka TC evolving to CC, evolving to UC. However I see your point for keeping it simple - Either way, the same process occurs. *The most simple point is that there is only ONE reality, not two or a myriad of individual pure consciousness - each one for a different person. There is only one single pure consciousness shared by all. It just looks divided up into levels due to maya.* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Looks like about a 5 shot Americano rap. Tried a Starbuck's Clover yet? ;-) As you know I would agree with you that ranking spiritual experiences is bogus. As I said the other day (as well as many other times) Maharishi kinda confused folks with levels of enlightenment. In many simpler Indian traditions you are either experiencing enlightenment or not. And as Earl Kaplan pointed out in that letter of his he learned what I did visiting India: enlightenment is not that uncommon. On 09/17/2014 10:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have been following the excellent comments on this topic with delight. I loved this book, especially where it helped me draw my own belief lines by disagreeing with it. Overall Sam's book is a huge step in opening up the dialogue for people who are fans of altered states but not into the presuppositions about what they mean. Barry and I have discussed how the ranking of experiences in spiritual traditions seems bogus. This is also my major criticism of Sam's ideas, but I'll start with what I found great about the book. He does an excellent job explaining his perspective on mindfulness meditation, both in techniques and its goals. It answered questions I had about my own irregular practice of mindfulness meditation and how it relates to my previous experience with TM. Without going into details I believe that both practices lead me to the same place mentally. I think the mindfulness meditation has an edge in less unwanted side effects than TM for me, and it seems a bit more efficient. I am not in a position to judge which is better or even what that concept would mean in terms of meditation. I believe neuroscience may sort this out someday, but we are a long way from enough information to draw broader conclusions. Till then I say to each his own. Meditation of any kind is nice to have in your human tool kit. (But go easy on the Kool Aid.) I have a bias toward meditation taught without the heavy belief system baggage of TM. I don't think any of that is either helpful or intellectually supportable outside the context of historical interest. Same goes for the Buddhist beliefs and assumptions. As modern people we should admit that we really don't know as much as these traditions posture by assumption about the states reached in meditation. We have an obligation to be more honest about what assumptions we are taking on faith upfront. To stick with any practice you have to have some assumptions. What they are based on is where our intellectual integrity rubber hits the road. People who want to make claims that their internal state is better than mine seem like real boors to me no matter what tradition they come from. If it is so wonderful in there then express something creatively brilliant and I will give you props for that. The section about the relationship with the brain and the concept of self is a fantastic condensation of neuro-research as it applies to our sense of self. It challenges a lot of preconceptions, although I believe it still falls a bit short of Sam's conclusions from it. The science is still young and speculation is still high. But the intellectual challenge of deciding for myself what the research means to my views was fantastic and thought provoking. Finally I come to the part I disagree with Sam most on: his assumptions about the value of the altered states brought about through meditation. I like meditation and feel it has a personal value in small doses. I am less enthusiastic about the extreme form of immersion both Sam and I have gone through in different traditions. You have to be pretty far down your glass of Kool Aid to even want to subject yourself to that kind of exposure. It is both founded on assumptions, and also stokes the furnace of generating more of them. At best it is finding out what can happen to your mind under such extreme conditions, and at worst it is causing you to be altered in a way that is not good, but we don't even know all the implications of yet. Certainly the recommendation from the hoary past don't intellectually cut it for me. That
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rest and Activity
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: After spending most of the day raking leaves, hauling leaves to the road, putting together my new weed eater and leaf blower, charging the battery, baking cookies, baking sweet potatoes organic Beaureguards grown by my brother and doing a couple qigong routines in the early evening, I realized just how unhealthy it was to spend so many hours in a day doing TM. *You probably meant spending so much time on social media denouncing TM for many hours a day. * *How is that Kung Foo working out for you? * **
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris on choosing a guru :-)
...he's been exposed to more of them than most people on this forum. *The article Sam Harris wrote was reasonable enough, but the introductory paragraph you wrote sucked. N**obody here claimed to have been exposed to more gurus than Sam Harris.* So how does one of the world's great atheists and opponents of religion *It has NOT been established that Sam Harris is one of the world's great atheists; and in fact, Sam Harris is a Buddhist whose guru was a Tibetan **who believed in karma and reincarnation.* A fetish for numbers is also an ominous sign. *This should be a tip-off to most of the readers here: that you claimed to have seen your guru Rama levitate hundreds of times. * Having realized that he was advising people to learn how to meditate *In fact, real meditation has nothing to do with spirits or a spiritual practice. Meditation has to do with clarity of mind and the development of compassion.Meditation is NOT a religion as you once claimed; and apparently Sam Harris would reject almost everything your guru ever wrote; and would have ridiculed most of your claims about meditation practice. Thanks for posting this.* *Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt* ** On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So how does one of the world's great atheists and opponents of religion discuss the concept of gurus? Pretty well, actually, probably because he's been exposed to more of them than most people on this forum. Having realized that he was advising people to learn how to meditate and thus possibly exposing them to the world of spiritual teachers and gurus, he raps at one point about gurus. The result is classic Sam Harris -- the first paragraph is balanced and useful and compassionate, the second is hilariously barbed and IMO right on, and the last sentence conveys the pragmatic bottom line: The gurus I have met personally, as well as those whose careers and teachings I have studied at a distance, range from crooks who could be quickly dismissed to teachers who were brilliant but flawed, to those who, while still human, seemed to possess so much compassion and clarity of mind that they were nearly flawless examples of the benefits of spiritual practice. This last group is of obvious interest, and these are surely the people one hopes to meet, but the middle group can be helpful as well. Some teachers about whom depressing stories are told—men and women whose indiscretions may seem to discredit the very concept of spiritual authority—are, in fact, talented contemplatives. Many of these people get corrupted by the power and opportunities that come from inspiring devotion in others. Some may begin to believe the myths that grow up around them, and some are guilty of ludicrous exaggerations of their own spiritual and historical significance. Caveat emptor. Of course, there can be clear indications that a teacher is not worth paying attention to. A history as a fabulist or a con artist should be considered fatal; thus, the spiritual opinions of Joseph Smith, Gurdjieff, and L. Ron Hubbard can be safely ignored. A fetish for numbers is also an ominous sign. Math is magical, but math approached like magic is just superstition—and numerology is where the intellect goes to die. Prophecy is also a very strong indication of chicanery or madness on the part of a teacher, and of stupidity among his students. One can extrapolate from scientific data or technological trends (climate models, Moore’s law), but most detailed predictions about the future lead to embarrassment right on schedule. Anyone who can confidently tell you what the world will be like in 2027 is delusional. The channeling of invisible entities, whether broadcast from beyond the grave or from another galaxy, should provoke only laughter. J. Z. Knight, who has long claimed to be the mouthpiece for a 35,000-year-old entity named Ramtha, is the ultimate example of how you don’t want your teacher to sound. And any suggestion that a guru has influenced world events through magic should also put an end to the conversation. Sri Aurobindo and his partner, known as “the Mother,” apparently claimed to have decided the outcome of World War II with their psychic powers.9 https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/part0015.html#ich5note9 (In that case, one wonders why they weren’t held morally responsible for not having ended it sooner.) Yet another reason to ignore Aurobindo’s long, unreadable books. Generally speaking, you should head for the door at any sign of deception on the part of a teacher.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Waking Up - the art of pitching meditation to skeptics
You need to get some smarts, Barry - NOBODY on FFL, that has a lick of sense, is going to pay $16.00 for a 256 page book so they can read what Sam Harris says about Buddhist meditation. Only a nerd would do that - because there is nothing new in his book to read - this is some pretty basic stuff. We saw the book at the Public Library and at Barnes Noble and we both read almost the entire book standing in a book stall or in the stacks. Sam Harris refutes almost everything you've been posting to FFL for the last ten years, Barry. Get a clue - you are living in a fantasy if you think this is a way to start a dialog. I already posted to the internet almost everything Sam Harris says about Tibetan meditation and you failed to respond to a single message. You suck as an informant! Amazon reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Waking-Up-Spirituality-Without-Religion/Reviews/ http://www.amazon.com/Waking-Up-Spirituality-Without-Religion/product-reviews/1451636016/ref=dpx_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:15 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I finished Sam Harris' new book, and am up for discussing any parts of it with people here who have also read the book. It should go without saying that in addition to the folks whose posts I never read period (none of whom are likely to have the attention span or humility to read this book anyway), I will engage with no one who hasn't done the homework of actually having read the book. But it's a good book IMO, and opens up many questions for discussion, among people open to actually learning new things. As an overview, I think it was an ambitious task that he managed to pull off fairly well. It isn't the easiest thing in the world, after all, to pitch the value of meditation and spirituality to people who have not the least bit of interest in Woo Woo or religious dogma, and in fact are pretty averse to those concepts. But I think he did a good job of it. For those whose only interest in such things is their own self-importance, i.e., Did he mention TM?, no, I don't think he did. He mentioned some research on meditation, but mainly on vipassana-mindfulness-based secular meditations. Personally, I don't think he'd even consider TM to *be* meditation, based on his descriptions of what he considers meditation to be. After all, in TM most people are sitting there *most of the time* lost in a sequence of reactive thoughts. This is exactly what his idea of meditation hopes to *avoid*. So no, even if TM weren't full of religious ideas and Woo Woo that he'd dislike, he'd probably not consider it real meditation. Speaking to more open-minded people, and to actual scientists (as opposed to Woo Woo Newagers who spout quantum this and unified field that without having any idea what they're talking about), I think Sam does a good job of presenting a case for investigating the spiritual side of life through meditation. His pitch is based pretty strongly on the need for self-knowledge, and for determining who that mysterious I that you consider your self is, and that's not going to appeal to everyone. But I think he mentions enough of the real-world, tangible benefits of meditation that a few people are going to undertake it, based on his book. He even gives a few intro techniques, which I cannot disagree with. I think that for most people his simple mindfulness technique would produce more tangible benefits after a few weeks of practicing it than TM would. And of course Sam's version is free, included in the first chapter he put online to give people a taste of the book. As a writer and as a personality, Sam Harris is NOT gonna be everyone's cuppa tea. For a person whose mantra (so to speak) is self is an illusion, he seems to have the strongest, most opinionated, and outspoken self I've encountered in years. :-) He's not only unafraid to say what he thinks of certain traditions and teachers, he does so occasionally for effect, to poke and prod people who are heavily invested in those traditions or teachers. I found that absolutely *nothing* he said in this book offended me in any way, but I'd be willing to bet that many long-term TMers and religionists here would be in pretty much a perpetual state of faux outrage if they actually tried to read the book. Fortunately for them, they'll never even try, because that would imply (horrors!) that they think they might have something to learn from an atheist. :-) If I have nitpicks with the book, they are, in fact, nitpicks...passages that I would have phrased differently, because I'm even more of a stickler for precision in language than he is. As an example, here's a passage from the book...try to figure out in advance what I disagree with, and how I would change it to make it better: Although many Buddhists have a superstitious and cultic attachment to the historical Buddha, the teachings of Buddhism
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good quote from Sam Harris' new book passed along from a former FFL poster
You just over-intellectualized enlightenment. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but there don't seem to be ANY bliss-ninnies posting to FFL. If you got confused by the Maharishi, who made everything dirt simple, you must be really confused. What could be simpler than go in and meditate and come out and radiate? Go figure. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: However over-intellectualizing above enlightenment can be a barrier toward growth. Besides once person steps over the edge they will realize what has happened. A good sign you are down the path is when you no longer are concerned about whether you are enlightened or not. It is NOT an intellectual exercise. Neither can you tell from someone's posts on the Internet whether they are enlightened or not. Some of the markers for behaviors that might indicate enlightenment that I see online might be good for indicating a bliss ninny instead. Personality may not change a whole lot because it will still be governed by the person's samskaras. Samskaras are sort of the mask that the inner light shines through. Personally I think in this area Maharishi confused people. It's much simpler in other traditions. On 09/14/2014 07:01 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Steve, You do need to pay attention to what other people say about enlightenment, otherwise there are no markers as to whether you have made progress or not. But then, who has the 'right' markers? There are lots of descriptions of enlightenment in various traditions. Jim's experience is one of them, but it has me being suspicious because he has said rather little of it in detail, other than he has it, and he knows others do not. The only teacher I know of who describes enlightenment in great detail from start to finish, from a more 'personal' perspective, warts and all, is Adyashanti. There may be other teachers I do not know of, undoubtedly. Maharishi's system appears to have some general benchmarks, but it seems many have had experiences that are of another quality. The jury is out on this for me, but Jim seems to avoid going into much detail about his experience. 'Silence 24/7', a big release when it dawned, 'every perception sees the infinity of the object, unity prevailing', but generally not particularly creative in going beyond stock phrases that could be lifted from Maharishi's tapes. Because he seems to be interested in creativity and expression, I think he could do better at this and make up his own words for this, because then you get more of a feeling of a connexion with a person's mind. To me Jim seems more bluster than Brahman, but I do feel he had a profound experience from his point of view. I would just like to know more about it, and he seems reluctant to go into more detail. Also Jim seemed not to understand descriptions of enlightenment from other perspectives, such as Vedanta, which should not be a problem. Just something seems missing to me. Jim's performance strikes me as low resolution bravura, and seems more interested in telling the tale of it and how it compares to others' than in using it to illuminate our understanding about it. And Jim also said of Barry 'Barry told a silly little story about some western-bubbleized person having a good time, and then realizing instead they were a victim of karma, with a mind full of thoughts'. This was a cut and paste a friend sent to Barry from Sam Harris's book. It was an illustration that we can have experience which we misinterpret as enlightenment, but the story was part of a larger context in the book. I do think Barry was making a veiled reference to Jim, for Barry thinks Jim's enlightenment is faux enlightenment, and the story Sam Harris told was just that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote : Like a big so what I think it's you, Barry, who seems pre-occcupied with people's enlightenment. A prime example is Jim's. No one seems overly concerned about it, except for you. Again, with the story below, a big so what I think what you've forgotten Barry, is that the enlightenment game, the spiritual game still comes with all the same caveats as life. Keep your eyes open, and bove all, take responsibility for your own life, material and spirtitual. It's not complicated. Oh, you're welcome. (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote : Seems like everybody's reading this book, except the people here on FFL who assume they already know everything and don't need to, that is. :-) This is a great quote that I'll pass along because 1) my friend already did all the typing so I don't have to, and 2) I love the simple and perfect way that Dzogchen deals with the kinds of faux enlightenment we see often on Fairfield Life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] thoughts on samskaras and enlightenment - CC to UC
fleetwood_macncheese: these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, *According to Vaj, seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone strong samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out the weeds.* *http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html* http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg161585.html *Samskaras are 'karma', or impressions left by karmic acts. Karma means action' in Sanskrit. In Buddhism, samskaras are mental and volitional formations, accumulated actions over many lives, and present actions as well; samskaras are conditioned phenomena; structures within the unconscious that are the basis for all worldly activities and future rebirth.* *In the enlightenment tradition, the endless round of becoming can be abolished through Yoga, that is, an adept of Yoga can burn up his karma through the practice of tapas, until the sum total of sankaras is zero. When that happens, the yogin is 'liberated' from samsara. There is no return.* *Reference:* *'A Sanskrit-English Dictionary'* *Monier Monier-Williams* On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:07 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I was thinking more about Bhairitu's comment, and I googled 'samskara', and got back mental or emotional pattern. So, the CC Maharishi refers to, is a state of enlightenment, with samskaras mostly intact. This is why he describes it as a state of inner silence, the individual feels enlightened, but this is not reflected in his environment; CC. The silence, or light, or whatever one calls the universal motive force, cannot be reflected in the environment, the outside world, until the samskaras get illuminated, with further enlightenment. Then simply seen for what they are, these mental and emotional patterns, their solidity begins to dissolve, moving from impenetrable objects, to playthings. After the samskaras begin to get transparent, the silence or light appears to subjectively imbue and penetrate every experience, inside and out - the outside world is now enlightened, to a degree - oneness predominates, UC. A bigger state of enlightenment; the universal motive force is felt and seen everywhere, governing everything -
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Hallowed Hollow Earth and The Transcendental Everywhere
*This is interesting but maybe not as interesting as the reports of alien abduction. Buck probably had good intentions when he posted this at the crack of dawn, but the whole paragraph is fatally flawed. The word transcendentalism when describing TM is a contradiction in terms: TM is what helps people go beyond or transcend all isms. * *According to MMY, the Being is beyond the senses and transcendental to the relative material existence. The Purusha is the Being, which is totally separate from the Prakriti, the creation. Rocks do not have sentience - only a living being is self-conscious and is able to awaken to unity consciousness. There is no consciousness in nature which is composed of the three constituents, the gunas. The I is an illusion. * *If the earth was hollow, it would be the mind of Buddha - a void.It the hollow earth had people in it, it would not be a void - it would be hell. Go figure.* ** On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:03 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Even within Rocks. Fascinating. It seems these hypothesis [hollow earth] are mostly elaborate metaphors about transcendentalism in nature. The deeper inner that underlies the outer, the manifest and then the underlying unmanifest or transcendental realities. Add an effective transcending meditation to their thinkings and they will directly know better that unified field they intuit that lays inside and under everything, that inner reality which is everything. “Know This to be That Which You are Seeking”. It is beautiful really that the mind seeks the great metaphoric description even inside geology and a heap of rock that is the earth. These hollow earthers could be excited to come and study all these things in so many disciplines that are examined, studied and researched in our scientific and consciousness-based educational system we have here in Fairfield, Iowa. For a collaboration hows about a symposium: Transcendentalism, the Hallowed Earth and the Hollow Earthers ? http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html Let us meditate together, -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Hallowed Hollow Earth and The Transcendental Everywhere
You still have not retracted your accusation that an informant on this list is a Nazi. You should do that before posting any more messages. Until you apologize to the group, you will not be taken seriously because of your slandering and lack of ethical or moral standing. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, Buck I got to admit, your mind ever revolves around the glory of TM and TMSP. And you are quite correct - the hollow earth followers WOULD be right at home in the Movement, cause the science that backs up TM is absolutely on a parr with the science that backs up the hollow earth belief. -- *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Hallowed Hollow Earth and The Transcendental Everywhere Even within Rocks. Fascinating. It seems these hypothesis [hollow earth] are mostly elaborate metaphors about transcendentalism in nature. The deeper inner that underlies the outer, the manifest and then the underlying unmanifest or transcendental realities. Add an effective transcending meditation to their thinkings and they will directly know better that unified field they intuit that lays inside and under everything, that inner reality which is everything. “Know This to be That Which You are Seeking”. It is beautiful really that the mind seeks the great metaphoric description even inside geology and a heap of rock that is the earth. These hollow earthers could be excited to come and study all these things in so many disciplines that are examined, studied and researched in our scientific and consciousness-based educational system we have here in Fairfield, Iowa. For a collaboration hows about a symposium: Transcendentalism, the Hallowed Earth and the Hollow Earthers ? http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html Let us meditate together, -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris on choosing a guru :-)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: those who, while still human, seemed to possess so much compassion and clarity of mind that they were nearly flawless examples of the benefits of spiritual practice Name them please. *Do they have Google Search where you live? Everyone by now who has read anything about Sam Harris knows that his teacher was Dilgo Khyentse, (1910 – 1991), the famous Tibetan Buddhist.* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilgo_Khyentse
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris on choosing a guru :-)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:19 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sage advice. I like the bit about ending WW2 but I always thought it was GuruDev who did that with a yagya? *Everyone knows that Tibetan Buddhists perform yagyas and numerous other rites and ceremonies every single day dedicated to promoting world peace. You sound prejudiced against Hindus. Go figure.* I always thought it was a shame that the TMO have obviously forgotten the words as super powers like that would come in mighty handy in these dark days. Doesn't stop them screwing money out of the faithful so they can allegedly keep trying I notice. Non sequitur. I know you left it all deliberately unsaid and it was probably much more effective for that, but I'm enjoying the quotes and one day, when I'm not so busy, will sit down and give it a considered read.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:03 AM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. You suck, troll. The narrator suggests that Mahesh believes people can fly. This is, of course, nonsense. Mahesh believes nothing of the kind. BUT he knows for a certainty that people believe he can teach them to fly ... see the difference. As con artists go, Mahesh gets very high (and dubious) marks? - Sudarsha Namaskar Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a difference of political opinions! This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is willytex. Go figure. Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular opinion. Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent standard for nasty and inappropriate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris on choosing a guru :-)
I know you left it all deliberately unsaid and it was probably much more effective for that, but I'm enjoying the quotes and one day, when I'm not so busy, will sit down and give it a considered read. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:51 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb wrote: No problemo. I thought it was a worthwhile read (and blessedly short!), and I think that there is much meat for discussion in the book. But if no one feels similarly, I'll just post occasional quotes here myself as drive-bys, to see if they get a reaction. Just did that with one of his quotes on mindfulness practice that I resonated with. I do admit to LOL-ing over occasional lines like numerology is where the intellect goes to die and Prophecy is also a very strong indication of chicanery or madness on the part of a teacher, and of stupidity among his students. Wish I'd said that first. :-) *We are still LOL-ing at your Rama levitation claims - we're probably not ready for Rama's Surfing the Himalayas that you helped write. Go figure.*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mindfulness practice on FFL
It's not unusual to see someone like Judy or Ann or Jim or Steve or Richard or Nabby or Dan nurse a grudge and hold onto it for YEARS. Says the guy who has held a grudge against Judy Stein and Richard Williams for over ten years. Is Barry on some kind of drug or what? He seems to be almost in total dissociation from reality sometimes. Go figure. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: There was one section of Sam Harris' new book that resonated with me, because it described a type of mindfulness I've found myself practicing lately in the context of FFL -- screening out anger, so as no longer having to deal with that low mindstate, and get sucked into it. What he wrote was originally about meditation and how to deal with the daily cascade of our *own* thoughts and moods, but I found it also applicable to dealing with other people's moods on a discussion group such as this one: Breaking the Spell of Negative Emotions Most of us let our negative emotions persist longer than is necessary. Becoming suddenly angry, we tend to stay angry—and this requires that we actively produce the feeling of anger. We do this by thinking about our reasons for being angry—recalling an insult, rehearsing what we should have said to our malefactor, and so forth—and yet we tend not to notice the mechanics of this process. Without continually resurrecting the feeling of anger, it is impossible to stay angry for more than a few moments. While I can’t promise that meditation will keep you from ever again becoming angry, you can learn not to stay angry for very long. And when talking about the consequences of anger, the difference between moments and hours—or days—is impossible to exaggerate. I liked this, because it's kinda the way I live my life. I have an ongoing mini-mindfulness routine going on in my mind, almost a background process, that enables me to *notice* when I've dropped into a lower mindstate such as anger. On the rare occasions I become angry, I just allow this background process to wake me up a little, and then I gently move my attention to somewhere happier and more productive. As a result, I honestly can't remember a time in *years* in which I managed to stay angry for more than a couple of minutes, five minutes max. This may be one reason why Fairfield Life is a challenge from time to time, because it seems to be populated by people who do the exact opposite. When something makes them angry, they seem to do everything in their power to STAY angry. It's not unusual to see someone like Judy or Ann or Jim or Steve or Richard or Nabby or Dan nurse a grudge and hold onto it for YEARS. And the fascinating thing is that they seem to believe that just because *they* prefer being angry to being happy, the people they're angry at owe it to them to prefer being angry, too. Days, weeks, months, and even years after they first became angry over something, they trot it out again in an attempt to jumpstart the original argument or insult, jumpstart the anger, make the anger mindstate lively in their minds again, and force the person they blame for that anger to participate in it as a kind of victim, so they can aim their jumpstarted anger at them again in the present, just as they did in the past. This strikes me as pretty much the opposite of mindfulness, and I finally got tired of it, so I just decided to write these people out of my life. And it works. I feel much better no longer having to interface with these anger junkies. On the other hand, past history makes me suspect that my approach may *not* be working as well for the dumpees. I would bet that a few of these people I've written off and chosen to ignore are even angrier at me now than they were before, as if I've somehow done something BAD to them by never reading anything they write. So -- since I know with near-absolute certainty that while I may not be reading their posts they're reading mine :-), for them I'll post the rest of Sam Harris' advice about the mindfulness of dealing with anger. May they learn something from it: Even without knowing how to meditate, most people have experienced having their negative states of mind suddenly interrupted. Imagine, for instance, that someone has made you very angry—and just as this mental state seems to have fully taken possession of your mind, you receive an important phone call that requires you to put on your best social face. Most people know what it’s like to suddenly drop their negative state of mind and begin functioning in another mode. Of course, most then helplessly grow entangled with their negative emotions again at the next opportunity. Become sensitive to these interruptions in the continuity of your mental states. You are depressed, say, but are suddenly moved to laughter by something you read. You are bored and impatient while sitting in traffic,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm Lounge is a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-: *Yes, it's a funny old life when the moderator just lays back and does nothing about these kinds of attacks. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Rick, the owner of this site, really let me down - now I think a lot less of him than I used to. * *So, when MJ calls Nabby a Nazi we get no objections except from the one guy of the Jewish faith,which pretty much indicates to me the depth of the vast moral wasteland that is FFL. Go figure.* *I get it that you hate Richard, but his post didn't deserve your comparing him with a pedophile priest IMO. I think you are chasing a cartoon of your own making now that has nothing to do with Richard. - Curtis* http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118170.html On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a difference of political opinions! This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is willytex. Go figure. Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular opinion. Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent standard for nasty and inappropriate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Eggg-cellent! *You still have failed to apologized for calling Nabby a Nazi or to Dan for equating TM practice with the Jewish holocaust. Why not?* -- *From:* geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:03 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Absolutely brilliant. I much needed reminder about how crazy cults can be. None of the sanitised videos carefully chosen for youtube, Oh no. Madness, megalomania and dangerous delusion straight from the horses mouth and who can deny it? Loved the reaction from Bevan and king Tony at the end, imagine someone not treating the guru with the same level of grovelling respect that he's used to! Imagine someone actually asking questions! I wish I'd taped the weekly press conferences, I'd have a mass of lectures that would keep a whole conference of psychiatrists busy for years. Both Marshy and Hagelin ranting for hours. And no, I never liked it, I saw the nice old tapes when I was on courses and enjoyed the sentiment even if I raised my eyebrows at the physics, but I believed in the enlightenment. Getting to work with the movement gives you an unfiltered version of what they want people to think it's all about. And the Marshy channel was superb for that, absolutely bonkers and highly worrying if you like to think about things rather than just accept it all as dogma. Probably an unintentionally good way of sorting out the true believers from the merely curious. I think it was probably the perfect man course that switched me right off. I'd never encountered anything like it, absolutely no justification for the theories given and no awareness that you have to show the workings out when you are proposing a radical new idea. Of course, to the Reesh and the devoted it was all simply The Truth. And merely by virtue of the fact he'd said it too. Nice to be reminded of what it was all about. Glad I stayed sane unlike poor old Bevan So, how long did you mooch off the TMO? Apparently you never became a TM Teacher, so what exactly was your position in the TM movement? Just be honest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, I know from experience that silence does not always indicate agreement. Sometimes it indicates that the post has not been read by the one who is being silent! In a discussion, the participants are supposed to keep up with the conversation. In this case, Rick did respond but in a very weak way and gave the guy a pass, yet this same Rick Archer was bothered by my over-posting. Go figure. I don't like the hyper negative comments. And I really don't like the comments that suggest violence. For reasons I've already shared. *It doesn't seem to bother Rick, even when one of his own interviews is trashed with slander and outright defamation.* *I would not advise him to get stuck in an elevator with me. There would be blood, no debate, and it wouldn't take place in the astral. - Edg* BatGap Panel Discussion John Hagelin, Ph.D. Moderated by Rick Archer: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg279404.html As for FFL being a vast, moral wasteland, we gotta be the change we wanna see. Otherwise we become a part of the violence. *Now we need to get MJ to retract and apologize for posting that offensive comment about Nabby being a Nazi. We should save that kind of talk for our real enemies. I support Dan's objections. It is really a low point for this group that nobody objects to equating a TMer with the Jewish holocaust. Go figure.* On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:40 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm Lounge is a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-: *Yes, it's a funny old life when the moderator just lays back and does nothing about these kinds of attacks. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Rick, the owner of this site, really let me down - now I think a lot less of him than I used to. * *So, when MJ calls Nabby a Nazi we get no objections except from the one guy of the Jewish faith,which pretty much indicates to me the depth of the vast moral wasteland that is FFL. Go figure.* *I get it that you hate Richard, but his post didn't deserve your comparing him with a pedophile priest IMO. I think you are chasing a cartoon of your own making now that has nothing to do with Richard. - Curtis* http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118170.html On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a difference of political opinions! This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is willytex. Go figure. Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular opinion. Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still
Re: [FairfieldLife] Or, Alternatively...
*When are you going to retract and apologize for your low-brow Nazi accusation to Nabby and Dan?* On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: If you want to hear what a nut Charlie Lutes was, listen to this lecture on the Harmonic Convergence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbnU1_BLOU [image: image] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbnU1_BLOU Harmonic Convergence, Charlie Lutes - pt 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbnU1_BLOU View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbnU1_BLOU Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Established in Being, let anger take over
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:49 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Absolutely brilliant. I much needed reminder about how crazy cults can be. None of the sanitised videos carefully chosen for youtube, Oh no. Madness, megalomania and dangerous delusion straight from the horses mouth and who can deny it? Loved the reaction from Bevan and king Tony at the end, imagine someone not treating the guru with the same level of grovelling respect that he's used to! Imagine someone actually asking questions! I wish I'd taped the weekly press conferences, I'd have a mass of lectures that would keep a whole conference of psychiatrists busy for years. Both Marshy and Hagelin ranting for hours. And no, I never liked it, I saw the nice old tapes when I was on courses and enjoyed the sentiment even if I raised my eyebrows at the physics, but I believed in the enlightenment. Getting to work with the movement gives you an unfiltered version of what they want people to think it's all about. And the Marshy channel was superb for that, absolutely bonkers and highly worrying if you like to think about things rather than just accept it all as dogma. Probably an unintentionally good way of sorting out the true believers from the merely curious. I think it was probably the perfect man course that switched me right off. I'd never encountered anything like it, absolutely no justification for the theories given and no awareness that you have to show the workings out when you are proposing a radical new idea. Of course, to the Reesh and the devoted it was all simply The Truth. And merely by virtue of the fact he'd said it too. Nice to be reminded of what it was all about. Glad I stayed sane unlike poor old Bevan So, how long did you mooch off the TMO? Apparently you never became a TM Teacher, so what exactly was your position in the TM movement? Just be honest. My position? I was the guy at the back with the big smile. Until it wasn't funny anymore. Then I left. I never learned to fly either. So, you mooched off the TMO for years, never became a TM teacher and never took the TMSP. So, what did you do? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs [image: image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Maharishi Exposed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs Preview by Yahoo
