[FairfieldLife] Re: Who you really are?

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Carde,
 

 Remote viewing is probably some kind of a siddhi, such as visualization, but I 
don't know the sanskrit term for it.  It seems like this ability is tied in  
with some kind of new theory in cosmology.  Or it could be a form of  of an  
advanced technique in MMY's age of enlightenment meditation.
 

 
 -
 

 

 It seems to be one of the results of pravRtty-aaloka-nyaasa (saMyama on the 
inner light),
 namely viprakRSTa-jñaanam (~viprakrishta-gyaanam):
 

 Sutra III.25
 प्रवृत्त्यालोकन्यासात् सूक्ष्मव्यवहितविप्रकृष्टज्ञानम्॥२५॥ 

 

  pravr̥tty-āloka-nyāsāt sūkṣmā-vyāvahita-viprakr̥ṣṭa-jñānam ॥25॥
 
 [HA]: By Applying The Effulgeant Light Of Higher Sense-Perception (Jyotismati) 
Knowledge Of Subtle Objects, Or Things Obstructed From View, Or Placed At A 
Great Distance, Can Be Acquired.
 [IT]: (26):
 Knowledge of the small, the hidden or the distant by directing the light of 
superphysical faculty.
 [VH]: By projecting the brilliance of the pravrtti-finer activity (of citta), 
knowledge of the subtle, concealed, and distant.
 [BM]: From placing light on the minds activity, one has knowledge of that 
which is subtle, hidden, and distant.
 [SS]: (26):
 By samyama on the Light within, the knowledge of the subtle, hidden and 
remotes is obtained. [Note: subtle as atoms, hidden as treasure, remote as far 
distanct lands]
 [SP]: (26) By making samyama on the Inner Light one obtains knowledge of what 
is subtle, hidden, or far distant.
 [SV]: (26):
 By making Samyama on that effulgent light comes the knowledge of the fine, the 
obstructed, and the remote.
 
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who you really are?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Carde,
 

 Remote viewing is probably some kind of a siddhi, such as visualization, but I 
don't know the sanskrit term for it.  It seems like this ability is tied in  
with some kind of new theory in cosmology.  Or it could be a form of  of an  
advanced technique in MMY's age of enlightenment meditation.
 

 

 Remote viewing and discovering who you really are:
 

 https://youtu.be/hBl0cwyn5GY?t=30m25s https://youtu.be/hBl0cwyn5GY?t=30m32s

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

O.K.  I get it.  Here is simplified discussion that explains it in a way I can 
understand.  It talks of how a person behaves when the gunas are "overcome" in 
a human being.  Basically, it sounds pretty much like non-reactive detachment, 
objective assessment from a place of equanimity, a conscious connection with 
"divine" energy.   

 http://www.hinduwebsite.com/gunas.asp http://www.hinduwebsite.com/gunas.asp  

 MMY was Hindu.  Basically all of his teachings reflect Hinduism.  Hinduism is 
not opposed to Christianity, necessarily (although Christianity would, in 
theory, be opposed to Hinduism).   He adds his personal twist.  
 

 TM is a meditation technique that can be divorced from the underlying 
philosophy/religion from which it emerged through MMY.  So is mindfulness or 
yoga.   
 

 However, if one desires to look at the philosophy underlying the progression 
through these states of consciousness, to, as MMY seems to believe, be able to 
achieve "moksha" in this lifetime, one will be introduced to the Guru and to 
Hinduism. I am still blown away by this bold assertion of his, particularly if 
applied to guarantees for the masses. (John, I thought this was your own 
personal idea, which is why I pressed you on it.) However, it could be 
truewe don't *really* know, imho.  
 

 Having never met MMY or studied his teachings, I don't have the qualifications 
to discuss his translations or beliefs.  But, I do attempt to understand the 
concepts of what is being said, from a layman's perspective.  It's a learning 
experience for me as I travel along.  Thanks for putting up with me.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 BG III 27:
 

 prakRteH kriyamaaNaani guNaiH karmaaNi sarvasaH ||
 ahan.kaara-vimuuDhaatmaa kartaaham iti manyate.
 

 MMY's translation:
 

 Actions are in every case performed by the guNas of Nature.
 He whose mind is deluded by the sense of 'I' holds 'I am the doer'.
 

 

 




 
  



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

 Just for fun, let's make the original word order more "logical",
 corresponding more closely to the translation:
 

 karmaaNi sarvasaH kriyamaaNaani prakRter guNaiH.
 ahan.kaara-vimuuDhaatmaa (vimuuDha+aatmaa) manyata [sic!] iti: kartaaham 
(kartaa + aham).
 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 BG III 27:
 

 prakRteH kriyamaaNaani guNaiH karmaaNi sarvasaH ||
 ahan.kaara-vimuuDhaatmaa kartaaham iti manyate.
 

 MMY's translation:
 

 Actions are in every case performed by the guNas of Nature.
 He whose mind is deluded by the sense of 'I' holds 'I am the doer'.
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fascinating.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thx, the definitiveness of MMY's assertion as stated before is his personal 
opinion.  In the Kriya Yoga Tradition, even advanced Yogis who can leave their 
bodies at will may have karma to work out, in which case they ascend to the 
Hiranyaloka astral plane to be instructed by Sri Yukteswar.
 Available online in the Autobiography of a Yogi, chapter entitled "The 
Resurrection of Sri Yukteswar".
 ...
 "As prophets are sent on earth to help men work out their physical karma, so I 
have been directed by God to serve on an astral planet as a savior," Sri 
Yukteswar explained. "It is called Hiranyaloka or 'Illumined Astral Planet.' 
There I am aiding advanced beings to rid themselves of astral karma and thus 
attain liberation from astral rebirths. The dwellers on Hiranyaloka are highly 
developed spiritually; all of them had acquired, in their last 
earth-incarnation, the meditation-given power of consciously leaving their 
physical bodies at death. No one can enter Hiranyaloka unless he has passed on 
earth beyond the state of sabikalpa samadhi into the higher state of nirbikalpa 
Samadhi
 

 There is a similar set of assertions in the Sant Mat Tradition. 
 

  Jai Guru Sri Yukteswar
 "

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx, the definitiveness of MMY's assertion as stated before is his personal 
opinion.  In the Kriya Yoga Tradition, even advanced Yogis who can leave their 
bodies at will may have karma to work out, in which case they ascend to the 
Hiranyaloka astral plane to be instructed by Sri Yukteswar.
 Available online in the Autobiography of a Yogi, chapter entitled "The 
Resurrection of Sri Yukteswar".
 ...
 "As prophets are sent on earth to help men work out their physical karma, so I 
have been directed by God to serve on an astral planet as a savior," Sri 
Yukteswar explained. "It is called Hiranyaloka or 'Illumined Astral Planet.' 
There I am aiding advanced beings to rid themselves of astral karma and thus 
attain liberation from astral rebirths. The dwellers on Hiranyaloka are highly 
developed spiritually; all of them had acquired, in their last 
earth-incarnation, the meditation-given power of consciously leaving their 
physical bodies at death. No one can enter Hiranyaloka unless he has passed on 
earth beyond the state of sabikalpa samadhi into the higher state of nirbikalpa 
Samadhi
 

 There is a similar set of assertions in the Sant Mat Tradition. 
 

  Jai Guru Sri Yukteswar
 "

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It is true that one can only surmise about what one doesn't have direct 
experience of.  I am not questioning the TM technique, transcending, or CC as a 
state of being.  I was questioning whether innate qualities in a human being 
(gunas) can be dispelled.   

 I was primarily curious as to your definitive statement that attaining CC 
frees one from one's karma...in *this* lifetime.  That isn't something I 
believe we can know and so I wanted to better understand why you wrote this.  
You haven't yet addressed it, however, and I'm fine with leaving the 
conversation where it lies.  
 

 P.S.  I have known one person who believes that they have addressed all their 
karma in this lifetime and will not have to suffer through another incarnation. 
 I remain skeptical of all such claims.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

Emily,
 

 The simplest way for me to describe the technique is that all TMers can 
experience transcendental consciousness or bliss consciousness, although the 
experience is only temporary.  Other meditators call it "samadhi",  which is 
the generic term to describe this level of consciousness.  TM studies have 
quantified this state in terms of brain wave data.  The meditator can have 
replicable and repeated experience of this TC which is described by MMY in his 
commentarty to the Gita and the "Science of Being and the Art of Living."
 

 It's not difficult to imagine what cosmic consciousness would be like--which 
is permanent bliss consciousness during the waking, dreaming and deep sleep 
states   The facts that you copied in Wikipedia are correct.  But they lack the 
first hand experience of "transcending" during the TM practice.  As you get 
familiar with transcending you can read MMY's commentary to the Gita to compare 
your experience with what MMY was describing.
 

 The only way for you to understand MMY's commentarty is to experience the 
process of transcending which will eventually give you the knowledge of what 
cosmic consciousness or the higher states of consciousness would be like.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, you write with a lot of clarity and responded to the "bondage" 
associated with being influenced by Gunas, as interpreted through MMY.  
Wikipedia says the following about Guna 

 "Chapters 3, 7, 13, 14, 17 and 18 of Bhagavad Gita 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita discuss Guna.[27] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27 Verse 17.2 refers 
to the three Guna – sattvic, rajasic and tamasic – as innate nature (psychology 
or personality of an individual).[28] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-28[29] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 Sattvic guna is 
one driven by what is pure, truth, compassionate, without craving, doing the 
right because it is right, positive and good. Tamasic guna is one driven by 
what is impure, dark, destructive, aimed to hurt another, contemptuous, 
negative and vicious. Rajasic guna is one that is ego-driven, out of personal 
passion, active, ostentatious, seeking the approval of others.[27] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27[29] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 "
 

 I am questioning this sentence: 
 

 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime."
 

 Specifically, I am questioning your statement that attaining cosmic 
consciousness and enlightenment (as defined by MMY) will free a person from the 
bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. 
 

 Perhaps you mean that TM helps to *smooth out* the influence or intensity of 
the "gunas," as qualities in a personality.  These gunas, *innate* as they are 
to human personality are never fully eliminated or "dispelled" are they?  There 
was ample evidence here during the first couple of years I was here, that in 
fact, TM meditation or not, these Gunas representing feelings and actions 
(e.g., compassion, contempt) were alive and well in all the posters.   
 

 I also question the idea that attaining "enlightenment" by way of a TM 
practice will free one from one's karma (I assume you mean negative) *in this 
lifetime.*  That is a very bold statement.  How do you know this?  Is it 
something we can know, as human beings?  
 

 Perhaps it is more that TM meditation serves as a tool to resolve and put to 
rest perceived negative karma in this lifetime, perhaps as a result of new 
actions reflecting the qualities of a Sattvic guna .
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

Emily,
 

 The Gita states that humans are in bondage due to the gunas and karma.  MMY 
mentions in his commentary that we are all affected by the gunas since these 
are related to the basic elements such as earth, water, fire, air and ether.  
Since we are composed of these elements, we are therefore a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

Emily,
 

 The simplest way for me to describe the technique is that all TMers can 
experience transcendental consciousness or bliss consciousness, although the 
experience is only temporary.  Other meditators call it "samadhi",  which is 
the generic term to describe this level of consciousness.  TM studies have 
quantified this state in terms of brain wave data.  The meditator can have 
replicable and repeated experience of this TC which is described by MMY in his 
commentarty to the Gita and the "Science of Being and the Art of Living."
 

 It's not difficult to imagine what cosmic consciousness would be like--which 
is permanent bliss consciousness during the waking, dreaming and deep sleep 
states   The facts that you copied in Wikipedia are correct.  But they lack the 
first hand experience of "transcending" during the TM practice.  As you get 
familiar with transcending you can read MMY's commentary to the Gita to compare 
your experience with what MMY was describing.
 

 The only way for you to understand MMY's commentarty is to experience the 
process of transcending which will eventually give you the knowledge of what 
cosmic consciousness or the higher states of consciousness would be like.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, you write with a lot of clarity and responded to the "bondage" 
associated with being influenced by Gunas, as interpreted through MMY.  
Wikipedia says the following about Guna 

 "Chapters 3, 7, 13, 14, 17 and 18 of Bhagavad Gita 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita discuss Guna.[27] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27 Verse 17.2 refers 
to the three Guna – sattvic, rajasic and tamasic – as innate nature (psychology 
or personality of an individual).[28] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-28[29] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 Sattvic guna is 
one driven by what is pure, truth, compassionate, without craving, doing the 
right because it is right, positive and good. Tamasic guna is one driven by 
what is impure, dark, destructive, aimed to hurt another, contemptuous, 
negative and vicious. Rajasic guna is one that is ego-driven, out of personal 
passion, active, ostentatious, seeking the approval of others.[27] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27[29] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 "
 

 I am questioning this sentence: 
 

 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime."
 

 Specifically, I am questioning your statement that attaining cosmic 
consciousness and enlightenment (as defined by MMY) will free a person from the 
bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. 
 

 Perhaps you mean that TM helps to *smooth out* the influence or intensity of 
the "gunas," as qualities in a personality.  These gunas, *innate* as they are 
to human personality are never fully eliminated or "dispelled" are they?  There 
was ample evidence here during the first couple of years I was here, that in 
fact, TM meditation or not, these Gunas representing feelings and actions 
(e.g., compassion, contempt) were alive and well in all the posters.   
 

 I also question the idea that attaining "enlightenment" by way of a TM 
practice will free one from one's karma (I assume you mean negative) *in this 
lifetime.*  That is a very bold statement.  How do you know this?  Is it 
something we can know, as human beings?  
 

 Perhaps it is more that TM meditation serves as a tool to resolve and put to 
rest perceived negative karma in this lifetime, perhaps as a result of new 
actions reflecting the qualities of a Sattvic guna .
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

Emily,
 

 The Gita states that humans are in bondage due to the gunas and karma.  MMY 
mentions in his commentary that we are all affected by the gunas since these 
are related to the basic elements such as earth, water, fire, air and ether.  
Since we are composed of these elements, we are therefore affected by the 
gunas-- and so are the other living beings that inhabit the earth.  The TM 
tradition interprets the method to avoid the influence of the "gunas" by merely 
being without them as stated in Chapter 2 of the Gita.
 

 This is the reason why TMers meditate to dispel these gunas.  Hence, over time 
the meditator can learn to maintain transcendental consciousness or "bliss 
consciousness" during the waking portion of our life.  Over time, the bliss 
consciousness can be maintained during the sleeping and dreaming stage of life. 
 When bliss consciousness if permanently maintained during the various stages 
of life, the TM tradition states that the person has reached "cosmic 
consciousness", the level in which the person attains "heaven here on earth".
 

 These are all mentioned in MMY's commentary to the Gita.  He also wro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx, still doesn't account for the probable fact that Enlightened people can 
perform Adharmic acts on a Tamasic level such as taking advantage of women and 
extracting money from followers.
 Are you suggesting that the relative "person" is not responsible for these 
acts?
 ...
 These considerations can easily slip into Neo-Advaita, which would generate a 
false list of non-sequiturs as follows. [my comments in brackets]
 

 1. The Self is free of karma; i.e. the true Identity as pure Consciousness, as 
stated in the Upanishads.
 [true]
 2. When one realizes the Self in Unity, since the Self is free of karma, one 
is free of karma, especially the bad karma of the past and the tendency to 
generate new bad karma.
 [false. This is a Neo-Advaitic misconception in that it separates "a person" 
into dual aspects of the Self and the relative, then discards the relative 
part.  False because "a person" is both relative and Absolute together as one, 
not the Self separate from the relative. If the latter were true, then we could 
say that after E., karma is simply irrelevant and doesn't affect "us".]
 3. [another false assumption is that the Gunas automatically shift from 
possibly Tamasic to Sattvic immediately when one becomes E.  This is MMY's 
error. There's no law that says this is true. If somebody is dishonest before 
E, they must might be dishonest after E
 To conclude, MMY falsely asserts that people after E. are 1. incapable iof 
maning "mistaking" and are incapable of what might be considered evil acts such 
as taking advantage of women and extracting money from the Organization.
 MMY never addressed these obvious facts which undermine his claims as to 
freedom from karma.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

John, you write with a lot of clarity and responded to the "bondage" associated 
with being influenced by Gunas, as interpreted through MMY.  Wikipedia says the 
following about Guna 

 "Chapters 3, 7, 13, 14, 17 and 18 of Bhagavad Gita 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita discuss Guna.[27] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27 Verse 17.2 refers 
to the three Guna – sattvic, rajasic and tamasic – as innate nature (psychology 
or personality of an individual).[28] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-28[29] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 Sattvic guna is 
one driven by what is pure, truth, compassionate, without craving, doing the 
right because it is right, positive and good. Tamasic guna is one driven by 
what is impure, dark, destructive, aimed to hurt another, contemptuous, 
negative and vicious. Rajasic guna is one that is ego-driven, out of personal 
passion, active, ostentatious, seeking the approval of others.[27] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-ckc-27[29] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%E1%B9%87a#cite_note-gideon-29 "
 

 I am questioning this sentence: 
 

 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime."
 

 Specifically, I am questioning your statement that attaining cosmic 
consciousness and enlightenment (as defined by MMY) will free a person from the 
bondage of actions and Karma in this lifetime. 
 

 Perhaps you mean that TM helps to *smooth out* the influence or intensity of 
the "gunas," as qualities in a personality.  These gunas, *innate* as they are 
to human personality are never fully eliminated or "dispelled" are they?  There 
was ample evidence here during the first couple of years I was here, that in 
fact, TM meditation or not, these Gunas representing feelings and actions 
(e.g., compassion, contempt) were alive and well in all the posters.   
 

 I also question the idea that attaining "enlightenment" by way of a TM 
practice will free one from one's karma (I assume you mean negative) *in this 
lifetime.*  That is a very bold statement.  How do you know this?  Is it 
something we can know, as human beings?  
 

 Perhaps it is more that TM meditation serves as a tool to resolve and put to 
rest perceived negative karma in this lifetime, perhaps as a result of new 
actions reflecting the qualities of a Sattvic guna .
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

Emily,
 

 The Gita states that humans are in bondage due to the gunas and karma.  MMY 
mentions in his commentary that we are all affected by the gunas since these 
are related to the basic elements such as earth, water, fire, air and ether.  
Since we are composed of these elements, we are therefore affected by the 
gunas-- and so are the other living beings that inhabit the earth.  The TM 
tradition interprets the method to avoid the influence of the "gunas" by merely 
being without them as stated in Chapter 2 of the Gita.
 

 This is the reason why TMers meditate to dispel these gunas.  Hence, over time 
the meditator can learn to maintain transcendental consciousness or "bliss 
consciousness" during the waking portion of our life.  Over time, the bliss 
consciousness can be maintained during the sleeping and dreaming stage of life. 
 When bliss consciousness if permanently maintained during the various stages 
of life, the TM tradition states that the person has reached "cosmic 
consciousness", the level in which the person attains "heaven here on earth".
 

 These are all mentioned in MMY's commentary to the Gita.  He also wrote about 
these in his "Science of Being and Art of Living".  In my opinion, this is the 
gift that Guru Dev and MMY have brought to the world.  Any more questions?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just fyi, I wasn't questioning the first sentence here.  I was questioning the 
second sentence and how you know this.  
 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 



 

 Yifuxero,
 

 I've read MMY's commentary to the B Gita several times over the years.   And 
I've always found something insightful about TM and its relationship to the 
Gita.  His commentary gives a first hand account of how to understand the the 
meditation experience as to what is transcendental conscious and when one has 
reached cosmic consciousness or God consciousness..  These terms are specific 
and are unique to the TM method.  But the other meditation techniques probably 
have the same levels of consciousness but are labelled with different names. 
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thx Jr_esq for your comment below:
 

 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

Emily,
 

 The Gita states that humans are in bondage due to the gunas and karma.  MMY 
mentions in his commentary that we are all affected by the gunas since these 
are related to the basic elements such as earth, water, fire, air and ether.  
Since we are composed of these elements, we are therefore affected by the 
gunas-- and so are the other living beings that inhabit the earth.  The TM 
tradition interprets the method to avoid the influence of the "gunas" by merely 
being without them as stated in Chapter 2 of the Gita.
 

 This is the reason why TMers meditate to dispel these gunas.  Hence, over time 
the meditator can learn to maintain transcendental consciousness or "bliss 
consciousness" during the waking portion of our life.  Over time, the bliss 
consciousness can be maintained during the sleeping and dreaming stage of life. 
 When bliss consciousness if permanently maintained during the various stages 
of life, the TM tradition states that the person has reached "cosmic 
consciousness", the level in which the person attains "heaven here on earth".
 

 These are all mentioned in MMY's commentary to the Gita.  He also wrote about 
these in his "Science of Being and Art of Living".  In my opinion, this is the 
gift that Guru Dev and MMY have brought to the world.  Any more questions?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just fyi, I wasn't questioning the first sentence here.  I was questioning the 
second sentence and how you know this.  
 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 



 

 Yifuxero,
 

 I've read MMY's commentary to the B Gita several times over the years.   And 
I've always found something insightful about TM and its relationship to the 
Gita.  His commentary gives a first hand account of how to understand the the 
meditation experience as to what is transcendental conscious and when one has 
reached cosmic consciousness or God consciousness..  These terms are specific 
and are unique to the TM method.  But the other meditation techniques probably 
have the same levels of consciousness but are labelled with different names. 
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thx Jr_esq for your comment below:
 

 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime.  As such, it is possible to be detached or maintain Self 
consciousness permanently while engaging in actions while living here on earth. 
MMY coined the phrase, "heaven on earth."
 

 Right, that's MMY's opinion, but there are differences in some other 
Traditions.
 Also, the notion that Enlightened people are free from the bondage of karma, 
this may not be true.  The Self is already free from karma no matter what 
state, but we are talking about the relative body and subtle body.
 How about the cases of notorious Enlightened (probably) Gurus who  abuse women 
and are obviously greedy?  Are they free?  I dount it!
 

 Some example of different opinions in other Traditions:
 1. In the Sant Mat Tradition, people are not free of karma until they are able 
to travel out of the body at will, including at the time of death.
 

 2. In the Kriya Yoga Tradition,, freedom from the clutches of karma requires 
to signs of development::
 First, Enlightenment, and Second, being able to travel out of the  body at the 
time of death, (willfully and at the time of one's choosing)).  This grants the 
candidate entry into the Higher astral plane, Hiranyaloka, which is occupied by 
many types of Beings, but also those Enlightened people who have not fully 
worked out their karma.  But again, this is only for the advanced Enlightened 
people who can travel out of their bodies willfully at the time of death.  
Then, after staying in Hiranyaloka for a time and being instructed by Advanced 
Teachers such as Sri Yukteswar, only then are they able to access the Causal 
plane.
 All of this is discussed in the article "The Resurrection of Sri Yukteswar", 
(enter that into Google).  It's a Chapter in Yogananda's Autobiography of a 
Yogi.
 

 SHALOM
 ."
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Just fyi, I wasn't questioning the first sentence here.  I was questioning the 
second sentence and how you know this.  
 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 



 

 Yifuxero,
 

 I've read MMY's commentary to the B Gita several times over the years.   And 
I've always found something insightful about TM and its relationship to the 
Gita.  His commentary gives a first hand account of how to understand the the 
meditation experience as to what is transcendental conscious and when one has 
reached cosmic consciousness or God consciousness..  These terms are specific 
and are unique to the TM method.  But the other meditation techniques probably 
have the same levels of consciousness but are labelled with different names. 
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thx Jr_esq for your comment below:
 

 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime.  As such, it is possible to be detached or maintain Self 
consciousness permanently while engaging in actions while living here on earth. 
MMY coined the phrase, "heaven on earth."
 

 Right, that's MMY's opinion, but there are differences in some other 
Traditions.
 Also, the notion that Enlightened people are free from the bondage of karma, 
this may not be true.  The Self is already free from karma no matter what 
state, but we are talking about the relative body and subtle body.
 How about the cases of notorious Enlightened (probably) Gurus who  abuse women 
and are obviously greedy?  Are they free?  I dount it!
 

 Some example of different opinions in other Traditions:
 1. In the Sant Mat Tradition, people are not free of karma until they are able 
to travel out of the body at will, including at the time of death.
 

 2. In the Kriya Yoga Tradition,, freedom from the clutches of karma requires 
to signs of development::
 First, Enlightenment, and Second, being able to travel out of the  body at the 
time of death, (willfully and at the time of one's choosing)).  This grants the 
candidate entry into the Higher astral plane, Hiranyaloka, which is occupied by 
many types of Beings, but also those Enlightened people who have not fully 
worked out their karma.  But again, this is only for the advanced Enlightened 
people who can travel out of their bodies willfully at the time of death.  
Then, after staying in Hiranyaloka for a time and being instructed by Advanced 
Teachers such as Sri Yukteswar, only then are they able to access the Causal 
plane.
 All of this is discussed in the article "The Resurrection of Sri Yukteswar", 
(enter that into Google).  It's a Chapter in Yogananda's Autobiography of a 
Yogi.
 

 SHALOM
 ."
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 



 

 Yifuxero,
 

 I've read MMY's commentary to the B Gita several times over the years.   And 
I've always found something insightful about TM and its relationship to the 
Gita.  His commentary gives a first hand account of how to understand the the 
meditation experience as to what is transcendental conscious and when one has 
reached cosmic consciousness or God consciousness..  These terms are specific 
and are unique to the TM method.  But the other meditation techniques probably 
have the same levels of consciousness but are labelled with different names. 
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thx Jr_esq for your comment below:
 

 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime.  As such, it is possible to be detached or maintain Self 
consciousness permanently while engaging in actions while living here on earth. 
MMY coined the phrase, "heaven on earth."
 

 Right, that's MMY's opinion, but there are differences in some other 
Traditions.
 Also, the notion that Enlightened people are free from the bondage of karma, 
this may not be true.  The Self is already free from karma no matter what 
state, but we are talking about the relative body and subtle body.
 How about the cases of notorious Enlightened (probably) Gurus who  abuse women 
and are obviously greedy?  Are they free?  I dount it!
 

 Some example of different opinions in other Traditions:
 1. In the Sant Mat Tradition, people are not free of karma until they are able 
to travel out of the body at will, including at the time of death.
 

 2. In the Kriya Yoga Tradition,, freedom from the clutches of karma requires 
to signs of development::
 First, Enlightenment, and Second, being able to travel out of the  body at the 
time of death, (willfully and at the time of one's choosing)).  This grants the 
candidate entry into the Higher astral plane, Hiranyaloka, which is occupied by 
many types of Beings, but also those Enlightened people who have not fully 
worked out their karma.  But again, this is only for the advanced Enlightened 
people who can travel out of their bodies willfully at the time of death.  
Then, after staying in Hiranyaloka for a time and being instructed by Advanced 
Teachers such as Sri Yukteswar, only then are they able to access the Causal 
plane.
 All of this is discussed in the article "The Resurrection of Sri Yukteswar", 
(enter that into Google).  It's a Chapter in Yogananda's Autobiography of a 
Yogi.
 

 SHALOM
 ."
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx Jr_esq for your comment below:
 

 "MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime.  As such, it is possible to be detached or maintain Self 
consciousness permanently while engaging in actions while living here on earth. 
MMY coined the phrase, "heaven on earth."
 

 Right, that's MMY's opinion, but there are differences in some other 
Traditions.
 Also, the notion that Enlightened people are free from the bondage of karma, 
this may not be true.  The Self is already free from karma no matter what 
state, but we are talking about the relative body and subtle body.
 How about the cases of notorious Enlightened (probably) Gurus who  abuse women 
and are obviously greedy?  Are they free?  I dount it!
 

 Some example of different opinions in other Traditions:
 1. In the Sant Mat Tradition, people are not free of karma until they are able 
to travel out of the body at will, including at the time of death.
 

 2. In the Kriya Yoga Tradition,, freedom from the clutches of karma requires 
to signs of development::
 First, Enlightenment, and Second, being able to travel out of the  body at the 
time of death, (willfully and at the time of one's choosing)).  This grants the 
candidate entry into the Higher astral plane, Hiranyaloka, which is occupied by 
many types of Beings, but also those Enlightened people who have not fully 
worked out their karma.  But again, this is only for the advanced Enlightened 
people who can travel out of their bodies willfully at the time of death.  
Then, after staying in Hiranyaloka for a time and being instructed by Advanced 
Teachers such as Sri Yukteswar, only then are they able to access the Causal 
plane.
 All of this is discussed in the article "The Resurrection of Sri Yukteswar", 
(enter that into Google).  It's a Chapter in Yogananda's Autobiography of a 
Yogi.
 

 SHALOM
 ."
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I see.  I am extremely skeptical of such a claim for so many reasons that I 
won't get into them here.  Its quite likely also we understand the word karma 
differently.   MMY didn't coin the phrase, but perhaps he gave it his own 
definition, pursuant to the virtues of practicing TM.   

 Thanks for the conversation.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

Emily,
 

 MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime.  As such, it is possible to be detached or maintain Self 
consciousness permanently while engaging in actions while living here on earth. 
MMY coined the phrase, "heaven on earth."
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

Emily,
 

 The TM tradition and what MMY was saying are saying exactly the opposite of 
what you're saying. 
 

 What did I say that is exactly opposite to what MMY and the TM tradition are 
saying?  And then, why is what I said, whatever that is, exactly the opposite?  
I am curious.  
 

 IOW, it is possible to maintain bliss consciousness in the midst of engaging 
in action. 
 

 Did I say that it wasn't?  
 

 You have to read MMY's commentary to the B Gita to understand his point.  Even 
if you don't fully understand  it, experiencing the process of transcending 
will eventually give you the knowledge that you need and enjoy.

 

 The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that 
because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and 
reinterpreted across the ages.  
 


 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, regardless of how the gunas may affect you, that does not change that 
fact that you are the author of your actions.   

 And in that Brahman exists eternally without change and in that the ultimate 
reality of the individual soul is identical with that of the Universe, then it 
is only appearances that change.  I would argue that you are experiencing 
divine consciousness, by virtue of living an ordinary or extraordinary life, 
whether you realize it or not.  
 

 It is not possible to act in the world without influence from karma or action, 
imho.  
 

 The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that 
because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and 
reinterpreted across the ages.  
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 Emily,
 

 For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western 
culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept.  We were 
brought to claim responsibility for our own actions.  Thus, it is inconceivable 
to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions.
 

 The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you 
have quoted from Luke.  MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature 
that come from God.  In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of 
nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether.  They are part of us and 
vice versa.  Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by 
these basic elements.
 

 MMY  has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita.  But in my 
opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of 
God.  It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence 
from karma or action.  Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. 
 It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation.
 

 This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, 
like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of 
God.  He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in 
Revelations.  Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of 
Christ.  Is he crazy?  But he has a worldwide following.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1)  You are the author of your actions. 

 2) Perhaps in living in the world of  ordinary existence you *are* 
experiencing divine consciousness!  "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo 
there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas.  But how can we 
experience  divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary 
existence?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

Emily,
 

 MMY was saying that the TM practice can lead one to cosmic consciousness and 
enlightenment.  Thus, one is freed from the bondage of actions and Karma in 
this lifetime.  As such, it is possible to be detached or maintain Self 
consciousness permanently while engaging in actions while living here on earth. 
MMY coined the phrase, "heaven on earth."
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

Emily,
 

 The TM tradition and what MMY was saying are saying exactly the opposite of 
what you're saying. 
 

 What did I say that is exactly opposite to what MMY and the TM tradition are 
saying?  And then, why is what I said, whatever that is, exactly the opposite?  
I am curious.  
 

 IOW, it is possible to maintain bliss consciousness in the midst of engaging 
in action. 
 

 Did I say that it wasn't?  
 

 You have to read MMY's commentary to the B Gita to understand his point.  Even 
if you don't fully understand  it, experiencing the process of transcending 
will eventually give you the knowledge that you need and enjoy.

 

 The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that 
because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and 
reinterpreted across the ages.  
 


 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, regardless of how the gunas may affect you, that does not change that 
fact that you are the author of your actions.   

 And in that Brahman exists eternally without change and in that the ultimate 
reality of the individual soul is identical with that of the Universe, then it 
is only appearances that change.  I would argue that you are experiencing 
divine consciousness, by virtue of living an ordinary or extraordinary life, 
whether you realize it or not.  
 

 It is not possible to act in the world without influence from karma or action, 
imho.  
 

 The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that 
because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and 
reinterpreted across the ages.  
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 Emily,
 

 For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western 
culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept.  We were 
brought to claim responsibility for our own actions.  Thus, it is inconceivable 
to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions.
 

 The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you 
have quoted from Luke.  MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature 
that come from God.  In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of 
nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether.  They are part of us and 
vice versa.  Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by 
these basic elements.
 

 MMY  has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita.  But in my 
opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of 
God.  It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence 
from karma or action.  Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. 
 It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation.
 

 This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, 
like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of 
God.  He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in 
Revelations.  Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of 
Christ.  Is he crazy?  But he has a worldwide following.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1)  You are the author of your actions. 

 2) Perhaps in living in the world of  ordinary existence you *are* 
experiencing divine consciousness!  "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo 
there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas.  But how can we 
experience  divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary 
existence?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hmso this is talking of a "relative you."  Good explanation.  Thanks.   

 So what you are saying is that the "relative you" is not the author of one's 
actions.  
 

 Theoretically or philosophically you may be correct—the word "author" can be 
defined using different contexts, as you note.  
 

 Really, it seems that what you are saying is that the "relative you" is not 
the *only* authorthat the cause of one's actions, or author, is 
attributable to many considerations.  Considering the gunas as primary 
qualities or elements could implicate them also as causal elements in a 
relative you, psychologically, and tangibly in a physical you.  
 

 Still, given the "relative free will" that one has in choosing the "relative 
deeds" that one does, the 
"relative you" is still author (and agent) of one's "relative actions" with 
respect to this "relative incarnation" on this "relative planet."   
 

 Yes?  
 
 

 

 

 I have recently been pondering this term "True self."  I haven't looked it up 
or done any real reading on it or anything, but I wonder what it means?  Seems 
like there is such a push to discover such a thing.   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There's a problem with the notion of a "you".  The relative you and me doesn't 
end at the skin. There are countless karmic antecedents and interactions with 
contributing influences.
 To use an analogy, say there's a tiny whirlpool at the edge of a larger 
stream.  The whirlpool merges with the Total stream in a transitionary way such 
that we can't establish exactly where the whirlpool begins and ends.  The 
entire stream is actually the cause of the whirlpool (the latter being a part).
 Saying the Gunas is more accurate than saying a "you" since the relative you l 
is like the tiny whirlpool.

 At times, the tiny whirlpool may grow larger with smaller pools growing around 
It.
 Therefore, causation is difficult to assign to a particular body independent 
of the whole., although it's true that that "That" particular body did most of 
the acting, and is thus an agent.
 ..But not an completely independent agent. the Vegas shooter was a tiny 
whirlpool in the midst of a strem, sucking in thousands of people in a chain of 
causation. 
 All of the causes (as Gunas), came together in that guy, Stephen.  Yes, he's 
the agent, but along with countless other contributing factors.
 The  totality of those causes manifest as Gunas and is a larger type of 
whirlpool.  The energy was simply focused on his body while he fired those 
bullets.
 SHALOM





 
 

  
 

 

 

 However, given the free will that we supposedly have in choosing the deeds 
that we do, it would seem to me that for all
 
 

 

 

 I have recently been pondering this term "True self."  I haven't looked it up 
or done any real reading on it or anything, but I wonder what it means?  Seems 
like there is such a push to discover such a thing.   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There's a problem with the notion of a "you".  The relative you and me doesn't 
end at the skin. There are countless karmic antecedents and interactions with 
contributing influences.
 To use an analogy, say there's a tiny whirlpool at the edge of a larger 
stream.  The whirlpool merges with the Total stream in a transitionary way such 
that we can't establish exactly where the whirlpool begins and ends.  The 
entire stream is actually the cause of the whirlpool (the latter being a part).
 Saying the Gunas is more accurate than saying a "you" since the relative you l 
is like the tiny whirlpool.

 At times, the tiny whirlpool may grow larger with smaller pools growing around 
It.
 Therefore, causation is difficult to assign to a particular body independent 
of the whole., although it's true that that "That" particular body did most of 
the acting, and is thus an agent.
 ..But not an completely independent agent. the Vegas shooter was a tiny 
whirlpool in the midst of a strem, sucking in thousands of people in a chain of 
causation. 
 All of the causes (as Gunas), came together in that guy, Stephen.  Yes, he's 
the agent, but along with countless other contributing factors.
 The  totality of those causes manifest as Gunas and is a larger type of 
whirlpool.  The energy was simply focused on his body while he fired those 
bullets.
 SHALOM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hmmm.Does not Hinduism believe in the soul?  Let's say, for discussion's 
sake, that I am equating the word "you" with soul.  Then, *you* are the author 
of your actionsliving out, resolving and creating karma, influenced by the 
gunas, in spite of and despite countless contributing factors. 

 Now, perhaps we are defining the word "you" differently?   Hypothetically 
absolute versus relative?   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Right, it's the Gunas.  The idea that a "you" is problematic since the 
components that comprise the relative "you" are . interconnected with the 
environment, and in a deterministic worldview the precise author can't be 
determined due to the countless contributing factors.
 Thus, the "author" as MMY says could only be the Gunas, within the context of 
the Totality and of an individual body mind, the latter often being identified 
as a direct physical agent.
 Since karma is unfathomable, that means that countless prior causes may have 
contributed to the Vegas killer's actions, and the actual physical act is the 
tip of a huge iceberg of contributing factors.
 For purposes of justice, only the direct agent is held accountable.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

Emily,
 

 The TM tradition and what MMY was saying are saying exactly the opposite of 
what you're saying. 
 

 What did I say that is exactly opposite to what MMY and the TM tradition are 
saying?  And then, why is what I said, whatever that is, exactly the opposite?  
I am curious.  
 

 IOW, it is possible to maintain bliss consciousness in the midst of engaging 
in action. 
 

 Did I say that it wasn't?  
 

 You have to read MMY's commentary to the B Gita to understand his point.  Even 
if you don't fully understand  it, experiencing the process of transcending 
will eventually give you the knowledge that you need and enjoy.

 

 The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that 
because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and 
reinterpreted across the ages.  
 


 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, regardless of how the gunas may affect you, that does not change that 
fact that you are the author of your actions.   

 And in that Brahman exists eternally without change and in that the ultimate 
reality of the individual soul is identical with that of the Universe, then it 
is only appearances that change.  I would argue that you are experiencing 
divine consciousness, by virtue of living an ordinary or extraordinary life, 
whether you realize it or not.  
 

 It is not possible to act in the world without influence from karma or action, 
imho.  
 

 The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that 
because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and 
reinterpreted across the ages.  
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 Emily,
 

 For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western 
culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept.  We were 
brought to claim responsibility for our own actions.  Thus, it is inconceivable 
to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions.
 

 The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you 
have quoted from Luke.  MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature 
that come from God.  In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of 
nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether.  They are part of us and 
vice versa.  Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by 
these basic elements.
 

 MMY  has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita.  But in my 
opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of 
God.  It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence 
from karma or action.  Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. 
 It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation.
 

 This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, 
like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of 
God.  He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in 
Revelations.  Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of 
Christ.  Is he crazy?  But he has a worldwide following.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1)  You are the author of your actions. 

 2) Perhaps in living in the world of  ordinary existence you *are* 
experiencing divine consciousness!  "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo 
there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas.  But how can we 
experience  divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary 
existence?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There's a problem with the notion of a "you".  The relative you and me doesn't 
end at the skin. There are countless karmic antecedents and interactions with 
contributing influences.
 To use an analogy, say there's a tiny whirlpool at the edge of a larger 
stream.  The whirlpool merges with the Total stream in a transitionary way such 
that we can't establish exactly where the whirlpool begins and ends.  The 
entire stream is actually the cause of the whirlpool (the latter being a part).
 Saying the Gunas is more accurate than saying a "you" since the relative you l 
is like the tiny whirlpool.
 At times, the tiny whirlpool may grow larger with smaller pools growing around 
It.
 Therefore, causation is difficult to assign to a particular body independent 
of the whole., although it's true that that "That" particular body did most of 
the acting, and is thus an agent.
 ..But not an completely independent agent. the Vegas shooter was a tiny 
whirlpool in the midst of a strem, sucking in thousands of people in a chain of 
causation.  
 All of the causes (as Gunas), came together in that guy, Stephen.  Yes, he's 
the agent, but along with countless other contributing factors.
 The  totality of those causes manifest as Gunas and is a larger type of 
whirlpool.  The energy was simply focused on his body while he fired those 
bullets.
 SHALOM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

Emily,
 

 The TM tradition and what MMY was saying are saying exactly the opposite of 
what you're saying.  IOW, it is possible to maintain bliss consciousness in the 
midst of engaging in action.  You have to read MMY's commentary to the B Gita 
to understand his point.  Even if you don't fully understand  it, experiencing 
the process of transcending will eventually give you the knowledge that you 
need and enjoy.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 John, regardless of how the gunas may affect you, that does not change that 
fact that you are the author of your actions.   

 And in that Brahman exists eternally without change and in that the ultimate 
reality of the individual soul is identical with that of the Universe, then it 
is only appearances that change.  I would argue that you are experiencing 
divine consciousness, by virtue of living an ordinary or extraordinary life, 
whether you realize it or not.  
 

 It is not possible to act in the world without influence from karma or action, 
imho.  
 

 The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that 
because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and 
reinterpreted across the ages.  
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 Emily,
 

 For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western 
culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept.  We were 
brought to claim responsibility for our own actions.  Thus, it is inconceivable 
to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions.
 

 The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you 
have quoted from Luke.  MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature 
that come from God.  In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of 
nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether.  They are part of us and 
vice versa.  Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by 
these basic elements.
 

 MMY  has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita.  But in my 
opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of 
God.  It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence 
from karma or action.  Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. 
 It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation.
 

 This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, 
like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of 
God.  He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in 
Revelations.  Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of 
Christ.  Is he crazy?  But he has a worldwide following.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1)  You are the author of your actions. 

 2) Perhaps in living in the world of  ordinary existence you *are* 
experiencing divine consciousness!  "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo 
there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas.  But how can we 
experience  divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary 
existence?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

John, regardless of how the gunas may affect you, that does not change that 
fact that you are the author of your actions.   

 And in that Brahman exists eternally without change and in that the ultimate 
reality of the individual soul is identical with that of the Universe, then it 
is only appearances that change.  I would argue that you are experiencing 
divine consciousness, by virtue of living an ordinary or extraordinary life, 
whether you realize it or not.  
 

 It is not possible to act in the world without influence from karma or action, 
imho.  
 

 The beautiful thing about scripture and stories in any religion is that 
because they are allegorical to very large degree they are interpreted and 
reinterpreted across the ages.  
 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 Emily,
 

 For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western 
culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept.  We were 
brought to claim responsibility for our own actions.  Thus, it is inconceivable 
to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions.
 

 The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you 
have quoted from Luke.  MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature 
that come from God.  In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of 
nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether.  They are part of us and 
vice versa.  Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by 
these basic elements.
 

 MMY  has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita.  But in my 
opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of 
God.  It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence 
from karma or action.  Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. 
 It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation.
 

 This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, 
like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of 
God.  He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in 
Revelations.  Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of 
Christ.  Is he crazy?  But he has a worldwide following.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1)  You are the author of your actions. 

 2) Perhaps in living in the world of  ordinary existence you *are* 
experiencing divine consciousness!  "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo 
there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas.  But how can we 
experience  divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary 
existence?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

Emily,
 

 For most Americans and people who've grown up in the traditional western 
culture, usiing the term the "gunas" is a foreign word and concept.  We were 
brought to claim responsibility for our own actions.  Thus, it is inconceivable 
to have a foreign entity or mode of nature to take ownership of our own actions.
 

 The idea is similar to the idea that the kingdom of God is within you, as you 
have quoted from Luke.  MMY even says that the gunas are the powers of nature 
that come from God.  In simple terms, the gunas include the basic elements of 
nature such as, water, fire, earth, air and ether.  They are part of us and 
vice versa.  Thus, our thinking process and consciousness are influenced by 
these basic elements.
 

 MMY  has explained this concept in his commentary to the B. Gita.  But in my 
opinion, it is the natural way to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of 
God.  It also explains how we can act in the world without stress and influence 
from karma or action.  Intellectual understanding of the process is not needed. 
 It is experienced by the process of transcending while in meditation.
 

 This process is now more natural and familiar compared to some evangelicals, 
like a pastor from the Philippines, who claims that he is the appointed son of 
God.  He's even stated that we are now in the stage of "rapture" as stated in 
Revelations.  Moreover, he claims to have inherited the resurrected body of 
Christ.  Is he crazy?  But he has a worldwide following.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1)  You are the author of your actions. 

 2) Perhaps in living in the world of  ordinary existence you *are* 
experiencing divine consciousness!  "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo 
there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas.  But how can we 
experience  divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary 
existence?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right, it's the Gunas.  The idea that a "you" is problematic since the 
components that comprise the relative "you" are . interconnected with the 
environment, and in a deterministic worldview the precise author can't be 
determined due to the countless contributing factors.
 Thus, the "author" as MMY says could only be the Gunas, within the context of 
the Totality and of an individual body mind, the latter often being identified 
as a direct physical agent.
 Since karma is unfathomable, that means that countless prior causes may have 
contributed to the Vegas killer's actions, and the actual physical act is the 
tip of a huge iceberg of contributing factors.
 For purposes of justice, only the direct agent is held accountable.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is the author of our actions?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

1)  You are the author of your actions. 

 2) Perhaps in living in the world of  ordinary existence you *are* 
experiencing divine consciousness!  "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo 
there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to the B Gita, as explained by MMY, it is the gunas.  But how can we 
experience  divine consciousness despite acting in the world of ordinary 
existence?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Am I?

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

MU, mantra 7, itx: 

 nAntaHpraj~naM na bahiShpraj~naM nobhayataHpraj~naM na praj~nAnaghanaM na 
praj~naM nApraj~nam.h | adR^iShTamavyavahAryamagrAhyamalakShaNaM
achintyamavyapadeshyamekAtmapratyayasAraM prapa~nchopashamaM
shAntaM shivamadvaitaM chaturthaM manyante sa AtmA sa vij~neyaH ..
 "Simplified":
 

 na antaH-prajñaM na bahiS-prajñaM nobhayataH*-prajñaM na prajñaana-ghanaM na 
prajñaM na aprajñam | adRSTam avyavahaaryam agraahyam alakSaNaM achintyam 
avyapadeshyam eka-aatma-pratyaya-saaraM prapañchopashamaM** shaantaM shivam 
advaitaM chaturthaM manyante sa aatmaa sa vijñeyaH ..

 * na + ubhayataH

 ** prapañcha+upashamaM
 

 devanaagarii:
 

 नान्तःप्रज्ञं न बहिष्प्रज्ञं नोभयतःप्रज्ञं न प्रज्ञानघनं
न प्रज्ञं नाप्रज्ञम् । अदृष्टमव्यवहार्यमग्राह्यमलक्षणं
अचिन्त्यमव्यपदेश्यमेकात्मप्रत्ययसारं प्रपञ्चोपशमं
शान्तं शिवमद्वैतं चतुर्थं मन्यन्ते स आत्मा स विज्ञेयः ॥
 

 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Won the Democratic Debate?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to this news clip, Bernie Sanders won.   Hillary Clinton came in 
second.  So, the other candidates probably should drop out.  And, Joe Biden is 
still undecided.
 

 Joe missed the boat. At this stage of the game, so much can happen between now 
and a year from now all bets are off for me.
 

 Las Vegas Democratic primary debate live blog and post show 
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/october-13-democratic-primary-debate-live-blog-and-174224308.html

 
 
 
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/october-13-democratic-primary-debate-live-blog-and-174224308.html
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/politics/october-13-democratic-primary-debate-live-blog-and-174224308.html
 Join the Yahoo Politics team for a live blog analyzing the candidates’ 
performances, then stay tuned for a post-debate wrap show hosted by Katie 
Couric.


 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/october-13-democratic-primary-debate-live-blog-and-174224308.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I have no doubt that from Mecca to Delhi and Mecca to Madrid, all Muslims have 
ever wanted is to live without fear or repression.It would be nice if they 
reciprocated.

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have no doubt that many Muslim immigrants would enjoy a more liberating 
lifestyle. Hell, even the 911 terrorists watched porn, took drugs and went to 
strip clubs. Can't get any more liberated and western than that! Even Osama ben 
Laden had tuns of porn in his home. Western, secular culture
may permeate their lives but they are still grounded in that Islamic value 
system. They feel tempted and they resent it. That's why they consider us the 
great Satan. That's why they want to destroy our culture.< They will explore 
and enjoy what *we have*, our freedoms, our vices, but they will always want to 
return to what is pure Islam, to cleanse their souls. And that is their dharma! 
Oil and water don't mix. Keep that shit over there!< No one has suggested, 
except maybe you, that Muslims are going to make non- Muslims become 
polygamists. However, if Americans can accept *gay* marriage*, why wouldn't 
they, as Islamic Americans, be able to expect us to recognize their marriages 
as defined by the Koran and Haditha? Freedom of religion, right? You suggest 
that my nonacceptance of Islam is out of fear. I say it is out of wisdom. 
Maharishi said "Avoid the suffering before it comes." Some roads, you just 
don't travel down.
Sometimes you have not choice what roads are presented and it is often on a 
downhill incline with no brakes on the car you're riding in. In the case of 
immigrants, particularly Muslims, you don't have a choice, Mike. They're here 
and they will continue to come. My suggestion is that everyone sit back and see 
what happens with regard to how radical or non radical the newcomers are. I 
guarantee 99 out of a hundred simply want to live a life without fear and 
repression. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have no doubt that many Muslim immigrants would enjoy a more liberating 
lifestyle. Hell, even the 911 terrorists watched porn, took drugs and went to 
strip clubs. Can't get any more liberated and western than that! Even Osama ben 
Laden had tuns of porn in his home. Western, secular culture
 may permeate their lives but they are still grounded in that Islamic value 
system. They feel tempted and they resent it. That's why they consider us the 
great Satan. That's why they want to destroy our culture.< They will explore 
and enjoy what *we have*, our freedoms, our vices, but they will always want to 
return to what is pure Islam, to cleanse their souls. And that is their dharma! 
Oil and water don't mix. Keep that shit over there!< No one has suggested, 
except maybe you, that Muslims are going to make non- Muslims become 
polygamists. However, if Americans can accept *gay* marriage*, why wouldn't 
they, as Islamic Americans, be able to expect us to recognize their marriages 
as defined by the Koran and Haditha? Freedom of religion, right? You suggest 
that my nonacceptance of Islam is out of fear. I say it is out of wisdom. 
Maharishi said "Avoid the suffering before it comes." Some roads, you just 
don't travel down.
 

 Sometimes you have not choice what roads are presented and it is often on a 
downhill incline with no brakes on the car you're riding in. In the case of 
immigrants, particularly Muslims, you don't have a choice, Mike. They're here 
and they will continue to come. My suggestion is that everyone sit back and see 
what happens with regard to how radical or non radical the newcomers are. I 
guarantee 99 out of a hundred simply want to live a life without fear and 
repression.
 
 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I have no doubt that many Muslim immigrants would enjoy a more liberating 
lifestyle. Hell, even the 911 terrorists watched porn, took drugs and went to 
strip clubs. Can't get any more liberated and western than that! Even Osama ben 
Laden had tuns of porn in his home. Western, secular culture
may permeate their lives but they are still grounded in that Islamic value 
system. They feel tempted and they resent it. That's why they consider us the 
great Satan. That's why they want to destroy our culture.< They will explore 
and enjoy what *we have*, our freedoms, our vices, but they will always want to 
return to what is pure Islam, to cleanse their souls. And that is their dharma! 
Oil and water don't mix. Keep that shit over there!< No one has suggested, 
except maybe you, that Muslims are going to make non- Muslims become 
polygamists. However, if Americans can accept *gay* marriage*, why wouldn't 
they, as Islamic Americans, be able to expect us to recognize their marriages 
as defined by the Koran and Haditha? Freedom of religion, right? You suggest 
that my nonacceptance of Islam is out of fear. I say it is out of wisdom. 
Maharishi said "Avoid the suffering before it comes." Some roads, you just 
don't travel down.
  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When I speak of cultural differences, I'm not talking about food or dress. I'm 
speaking about  how we treat or accept others. Example: Muslims are far less 
tolerant of the rights women take for granted in the west. Wife beating is 
considered the norm over there, honor killings, blaspheming their religion can 
cause violent reaction,etc., they tend to bring those behaviors and attitudes 
with them.The taxi reference was about Drivers refusing riders that had bought 
alcohol in gift and duty free shops and taking it home, sober. Taxi drivers 
here, I don't know about Canada, are often called to take people home from bars 
or parties in order to keep them from driving and causing accidents. It's a job 
requirement,  for public safety. Many expect our society to accommodate them on 
issues of this nature when it wouldn't be acceptable by our own. Should Muslim 
businesses be allowed to refuse service to Gays, Lesbians or transgenders? If 
so, why not Christians or Jews?More and more Muslims are demanding that we 
accept Sharia law, which would definitely allow this behavior. Ready for 
polygamy? Can they accept us for who we are or do they expect us to accept them 
and live by their cultural standards. They come here, we didn't go there.

How about this thought: How many Muslims do you think might just decide to 
adopt your values and move away from some of the more repressive practices from 
"the old country"? How many women might get a glimpse of what is possible in 
the west and make a break for it? And although women have tremendous freedoms 
in North America we are far from having reached the optimum position as far as 
equality with men as recognized in a whole slew of career scenarios. As far as 
women having come towards being universally recognized and rewarded as equals 
to men, there is still 50% further to go.
When you speak of polygamy you present this as if Muslims are going to start 
forcing everyone in America to take multiple wives. Come on! They might want to 
be allowed to practice polygamy for themselves (and they wouldn't be alone, 
think of all those instances of US born and bred citizens clamoring for their 
right to have multiple wives - particularly in Utah. 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/polygamy-is-legal-in-utah-for-now#.vdEEljZ6m
In short, I think you need to step back and take a good look at what already 
goes on in your country acted out by red blooded Americans and notice that just 
about every example you have given me has already been demonstrated by your 
fellow citizens many, many times before. The difference: one group is American 
and white and the other is Muslim and often of a darker skin hue.

  From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I don't think disassociating one's self from fellow countrymen or culture is 
important either, when adopting a new country. What concerns me is, are 
they(immigrants),willing to accept the customs and laws of their adoptive 
country. An example would be in some cultures, mainly eastern or middle 
eastern, segregation of the sexes is the norm. However, it is  thought to be 
sexist in another culture. Some can accept these differences and others ca

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When I speak of cultural differences, I'm not talking about food or dress. I'm 
speaking about  how we treat or accept others. Example: Muslims are far less 
tolerant of the rights women take for granted in the west. Wife beating is 
considered the norm over there, honor killings, blaspheming their religion can 
cause violent reaction,etc., they tend to bring those behaviors and attitudes 
with them.The taxi reference was about Drivers refusing riders that had bought 
alcohol in gift and duty free shops and taking it home, sober. Taxi drivers 
here, I don't know about Canada, are often called to take people home from bars 
or parties in order to keep them from driving and causing accidents. It's a job 
requirement,  for public safety. Many expect our society to accommodate them on 
issues of this nature when it wouldn't be acceptable by our own. Should Muslim 
businesses be allowed to refuse service to Gays, Lesbians or transgenders? If 
so, why not Christians or Jews?More and more Muslims are demanding that we 
accept Sharia law, which would definitely allow this behavior. Ready for 
polygamy? Can they accept us for who we are or do they expect us to accept them 
and live by their cultural standards. They come here, we didn't go there.

 

 How about this thought: How many Muslims do you think might just decide to 
adopt your values and move away from some of the more repressive practices from 
"the old country"? How many women might get a glimpse of what is possible in 
the west and make a break for it? And although women have tremendous freedoms 
in North America we are far from having reached the optimum position as far as 
equality with men as recognized in a whole slew of career scenarios. As far as 
women having come towards being universally recognized and rewarded as equals 
to men, there is still 50% further to go.
 

 When you speak of polygamy you present this as if Muslims are going to start 
forcing everyone in America to take multiple wives. Come on! They might want to 
be allowed to practice polygamy for themselves (and they wouldn't be alone, 
think of all those instances of US born and bred citizens clamoring for their 
right to have multiple wives - particularly in Utah. 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/polygamy-is-legal-in-utah-for-now#.vdEEljZ6m
 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/polygamy-is-legal-in-utah-for-now#.vdEEljZ6m
 
 

 In short, I think you need to step back and take a good look at what already 
goes on in your country acted out by red blooded Americans and notice that just 
about every example you have given me has already been demonstrated by your 
fellow citizens many, many times before. The difference: one group is American 
and white and the other is Muslim and often of a darker skin hue.


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't think disassociating one's self from fellow countrymen or culture is 
important either, when adopting a new country. What concerns me is, are 
they(immigrants),willing to accept the customs and laws of their adoptive 
country. An example would be in some cultures, mainly eastern or middle 
eastern, segregation of the sexes is the norm. However, it is  thought to be 
sexist in another culture. Some can accept these differences and others can't 
or don't want to. Recently, in the name of religious freedom, we've had issues 
of people thinking they can obey the laws that  they choose. The one in the 
news the most lately, has been the woman in Kentucky that doesn't want to issue 
marriage licenses to gay people because she thinks it violates her religion. 
Many may agree, to a point, but most think she should obey the law.  She will 
eventually give in or take a different job. However, the incidents we don't 
hear that much about are Muslims that refuse to sell/ handle pork or alcohol 
and demand accommodation for that in their jobs due to *freedom of religion*. 
Muslim taxi drivers don't want to accept riders that either carry alcohol 
(unopened) or may be leaving a bar intoxicated. The question is, how much of an 
immigrant's former culture do we have to accept and at what inconvenience to 
our own culture and lifestyle. These are the kinds of conflicts that I'm 
referring to and they( differing issues) are much more numerous and how much 
resentment does it cause on either part? It's easy working these things out on 
an individual level but when entire cultures are involved, mine vs theirs, 
friction begins to build. I'm not against immigration, just think it should be 
done with caution and selectively. An immigrant to any country should be able 
to s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Agreed, but the secular Muslims usually end up getting bullied by the 
*righteous* ones or be considered Apostate with a death sentence. Where ever 
Islam has been spread, it starts with *peace loving* gentile souls just wanting 
to be left alone in their small minority. Once that minority gets stronger, the 
demands start coming and if the demands are not met, the violence comes. This 
is how Islam has always spread and how it is working in Europe today. Merkel  
said she is willing to accept 500,000  Syrian refugees a year. Why? The German 
birth rate is so low, they need a new work force to keep their economy up to 
speed or it will crash. There is also thought to be some remaining guilt left 
over from the Nazis and how they treated people. The irony is, the ones they 
bring now, Syrian Muslims, were basically allies of the Nazis,who hated Jews as 
much as Hitler!

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
 We live in the 21st century.  If there are Muslims who want us to change 
to Sharia law they can be shown the door.  There are many Muslims who could 
give a shit about Sharia law and are only Muslim by birth or circumstance.
 
 On 09/09/2015 03:38 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    When I speak of cultural differences, I'm not talking about food or 
dress. I'm speaking about  how we treat or accept others. Example: Muslims are 
far less tolerant of the rights women take for granted in the west. Wife 
beating is considered the norm over there, honor killings, blaspheming their 
religion can cause violent reaction,etc., they tend to bring those behaviors 
and attitudes with them.The taxi reference was about Drivers refusing riders 
that had bought alcohol in gift and duty free shops and taking it home, sober. 
Taxi drivers here, I don't know about Canada, are often called to take people 
home from bars or parties in order to keep them from driving and causing 
accidents. It's a job requirement,  for public safety. Many expect our society 
to accommodate them on issues of this nature when it wouldn't be acceptable by  
our own. Should Muslim businesses be allowed to refuse service to Gays, 
Lesbians or transgenders? If so, why not Christians or Jews?More and more 
Muslims are demanding that we accept Sharia law, which would definitely allow 
this behavior. Ready  for polygamy? Can they accept us for who we are or do 
they expect us to accept them and live by their cultural standards. They come 
here, we didn't go there.
  
 
  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
    
  
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
   I don't think disassociating one's self from fellow countrymen or culture is 
important either, when adopting a new country. What concerns  me is, are 
they(immigrants),willing to accept the customs and laws of their adoptive 
country. An example would be in some cultures, mainly eastern or middle 
eastern, segregation of the sexes is the norm. However, it is  thought to be 
sexist in another culture. Some can accept these differences and others can't 
or don't want to. Recently, in the name  of religious freedom, we've had issues 
of people thinking they can obey the laws that  they choose. The one in the 
news the most lately, has been the woman in Kentucky that doesn't want to issue 
marriage licenses to gay  people because she thinks it violates her religion. 
Many may agree, to a point, but most think she should obey the law.  She will 
eventually give in or take a different job. However, the incidents we don't 
hear that much about are Muslims that refuse to  sell/ handle pork or alcohol 
and demand accommodation for that in their jobs due to *freedom of religion*. 
Muslim taxi drivers don't want to accept riders that either carry alcohol 
(unopened) or may be leaving a bar intoxicated. The question is, how much of an 
 immigrant's former culture do we have to accept and at what inconvenience to 
our own culture an! d lifestyle. These are the  kinds of conflicts that I'm 
referring to and they( differing issues) are much more numerous and how much 
resentment does it cause on either part? It's easy working these things out on 
an individual level but when entire cultures are involved, mine vs theirs, 
friction begins to build.  I'm not against immigration, just think it should be 
done with caution and selectively. An immigrant to any  country should be able 
to speak their own language, eat their own food, observe their own customs in 
their own homes but when in Rome( public)  And if th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

We live in the 21st century.  If there are Muslims who want us to change 
to Sharia law they can be shown the door.  There are many Muslims who 
could give a shit about Sharia law and are only Muslim by birth or 
circumstance.


On 09/09/2015 03:38 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
When I speak of cultural differences, I'm not talking about food or 
dress. I'm speaking about  how we treat or accept others. Example: 
Muslims are far less tolerant of the rights women take for granted in 
the west. Wife beating is considered the norm over there, honor 
killings, blaspheming their religion can cause violent reaction,etc., 
they tend to bring those behaviors and attitudes with them.The taxi 
reference was about Drivers refusing riders that had bought alcohol in 
gift and duty free shops and taking it home, sober. Taxi drivers here, 
I don't know about Canada, are often called to take people home from 
bars or parties in order to keep them from driving and causing 
accidents. It's a job requirement,  for public safety. Many expect our 
society to accommodate them on issues of this nature when it wouldn't 
be acceptable by our own. Should Muslim businesses be allowed to 
refuse service to Gays, Lesbians or transgenders? If so, why not 
Christians or Jews?More and more Muslims are demanding that we accept 
Sharia law, which would definitely allow this behavior. Ready for 
polygamy? Can they accept us for who we are or do they expect us to 
accept them and live by their cultural standards. They come here, we 
didn't go there.




*From:* "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:41 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I don't think disassociating one's self from fellow countrymen or 
culture is important either, when adopting a new country. What 
concerns me is, are they(immigrants),willing to accept the customs and 
laws of their adoptive country. An example would be in some cultures, 
mainly eastern or middle eastern, segregation of the sexes is the 
norm. However, it is  thought to be sexist in another culture. Some 
can accept these differences and others can't or don't want to. 
Recently, in the name of religious freedom, we've had issues of people 
thinking they can obey the laws that  they choose. The one in the news 
the most lately, has been the woman in Kentucky that doesn't want to 
issue marriage licenses to gay people because she thinks it violates 
her religion. Many may agree, to a point, but most think she should 
obey the law.  She will eventually give in or take a different job. 
However, the incidents we don't hear that much about are Muslims that 
refuse to sell/ handle pork or alcohol and demand accommodation for 
that in their jobs due to *freedom of religion*. Muslim taxi drivers 
don't want to accept riders that either carry alcohol (unopened) or 
may be leaving a bar intoxicated. The question is, how much of an 
immigrant's former culture do we have to accept and at what 
inconvenience to our own culture an! d lifestyle. These are the kinds 
of conflicts that I'm referring to and they( differing issues) are 
much more numerous and how much resentment does it cause on either 
part? It's easy working these things out on an individual level but 
when entire cultures are involved, mine vs theirs, friction begins to 
build. I'm not against immigration, just think it should be done with 
caution and selectively. An immigrant to any country should be able to 
speak their own language, eat their own food, observe their own 
customs in their own homes but when in Rome( public) And if that 
is unacceptable, don't come.


I think some of your thinking is based a little in fear but some is 
also practically based. Adopting certain traditions from other, 
incoming cultures has been happening constantly. Think of the new 
foods we eat now that were virtually unobtainable in North America 
just a few decades ago, the ethnic foods i.e. sushi. Music, art, 
theater have all benefited from the influx of new ideas, different 
life experiences of those coming to live on foreign soil. Fashion, 
dress habits - our lives are always being touched by a variety of 
influences, especially now with the internet and vast reaches of the 
media not to mention the ebb and flow of various ethnicities migrating 
around the globe.


As far as taxi drivers, to take one example, I don't think they are 
(no matter what their ethnic background) required to take a ride! that 
they deem is either a threat or likely to result in problems and this 
includes extremely inebriated passengers. I don't think any business 
is required by law -airlines, restaurants p

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

When I speak of cultural differences, I'm not talking about food or dress. I'm 
speaking about  how we treat or accept others. Example: Muslims are far less 
tolerant of the rights women take for granted in the west. Wife beating is 
considered the norm over there, honor killings, blaspheming their religion can 
cause violent reaction,etc., they tend to bring those behaviors and attitudes 
with them.The taxi reference was about Drivers refusing riders that had bought 
alcohol in gift and duty free shops and taking it home, sober. Taxi drivers 
here, I don't know about Canada, are often called to take people home from bars 
or parties in order to keep them from driving and causing accidents. It's a job 
requirement,  for public safety. Many expect our society to accommodate them on 
issues of this nature when it wouldn't be acceptable by our own. Should Muslim 
businesses be allowed to refuse service to Gays, Lesbians or transgenders? If 
so, why not Christians or Jews?More and more Muslims are demanding that we 
accept Sharia law, which would definitely allow this behavior. Ready for 
polygamy? Can they accept us for who we are or do they expect us to accept them 
and live by their cultural standards. They come here, we didn't go there.
   

   From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I don't think disassociating one's self from fellow countrymen or culture is 
important either, when adopting a new country. What concerns me is, are 
they(immigrants),willing to accept the customs and laws of their adoptive 
country. An example would be in some cultures, mainly eastern or middle 
eastern, segregation of the sexes is the norm. However, it is  thought to be 
sexist in another culture. Some can accept these differences and others can't 
or don't want to. Recently, in the name of religious freedom, we've had issues 
of people thinking they can obey the laws that  they choose. The one in the 
news the most lately, has been the woman in Kentucky that doesn't want to issue 
marriage licenses to gay people because she thinks it violates her religion. 
Many may agree, to a point, but most think she should obey the law.  She will 
eventually give in or take a different job. However, the incidents we don't 
hear that much about are Muslims that refuse to sell/ handle pork or alcohol 
and demand accommodation for that in their jobs due to *freedom of religion*. 
Muslim taxi drivers don't want to accept riders that either carry alcohol 
(unopened) or may be leaving a bar intoxicated. The question is, how much of an 
immigrant's former culture do we have to accept and at what inconvenience to 
our own culture and lifestyle. These are the kinds of conflicts that I'm 
referring to and they( differing issues) are much more numerous and how much 
resentment does it cause on either part? It's easy working these things out on 
an individual level but when entire cultures are involved, mine vs theirs, 
friction begins to build. I'm not against immigration, just think it should be 
done with caution and selectively. An immigrant to any country should be able 
to speak their own language, eat their own food, observe their own customs in 
their own homes but when in Rome( public) And if that is unacceptable, 
don't come.

I think some of your thinking is based a little in fear but some is also 
practically based. Adopting certain traditions from other, incoming cultures 
has been happening constantly. Think of the new foods we eat now that were 
virtually unobtainable in North America just a few decades ago, the ethnic 
foods i.e. sushi. Music, art, theater have all benefited from the influx of new 
ideas, different life experiences of those coming to live on foreign soil. 
Fashion, dress habits - our lives are always being touched by a variety of 
influences, especially now with the internet and vast reaches of the media not 
to mention the ebb and flow of various ethnicities migrating around the globe.
As far as taxi drivers, to take one example, I don't think they are (no matter 
what their ethnic background) required to take a ride that they deem is either 
a threat or likely to result in problems and this includes extremely inebriated 
passengers. I don't think any business is required by law -airlines, 
restaurants public transit - to allow a person deemed too inebriated to be 
given access to a premises. There has been a recent kerfuffle here in Canada 
about allowing RCMP officers who are Sikh to wear turbans or not, for example. 
Why not allow this? So that they can don the silly Mountie hat instead? Anyway, 
whether you like it or not your life and my life are being altered by the 
constant com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, definitely a bipartisan effort. I was also reading about the entrenchment 
and failure of some of the social welfare programs to help the homeless, and 
that such programs are structured to help symptomatically, vs. actually solving 
the problem (through long term follow-up and jobs training). It is more about 
securing an annual budget and doing the same old thing. 

 That said, I see red anytime a politician refers to my *paid for* SS, as 'an 
entitlement program'.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is pretty much why nothing gets done about illegal immigration. 
Republicans look the other way because  the chamber of commerce wants cheap 
labor who will be subsidized by all kinds of government hand-outs. Democrats 
look the other way because they want an underclass to vote for their government 
hand outs. Both also look the other way because illegals use false SS numbers. 
Numbers that cause money to flow into SS but will never be allowed to withdraw 
it. Illegals subsidize SS for everyone else, slowing down the collapse of SS.
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   The other side of the coin is that many of these immigrants, including the 
illegal ones, add a lot to the bottom lines of the corporations that employ 
them. Just like 'gun control' we have the laws on the books so that illegal 
immigrants cannot be employed unless they have citizenship papers or a visa. In 
both agribiz and the hotel and service industries, these big corps. look the 
other way, not bothering to validate the flood of false credentials, while 
knowingly employing thousands of illegals. It is a false issue, really. A big 
lie to set the middle class in confict, while the profits continue to roll in.
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So you have to wonder, do people come here to contribute to the greater good 
and become E pluribus unum or do they come here to take what they want and 
leave the rest? A common language unites people.However, every immigrant group 
seems to expect more accommodation involving their native language.Here in 
Texas, almost all business and education involves Spanish and English. Press 1 
for English, press 2 for Spanish! Even streets signs in parts of Houston are in 
Vietnamese and Chinese! I mean, it looks kind of *cool*, international and 
chic, but how far do we go with that? I used to deliver to a doctor that ran a 
small clinic here and he put up a sign in his window announcing that  he no 
longer accepted medicaid patients. I asked him why and he told me that the 
government required that he furnish, at his expense, an interpreter for any 
language of any patient that he saw! "My God Mike, I have Poles, 
Russians,Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians and Arabs that come in here and 
I have to provide a translator", I can't afford it!"

 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it 
still is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In 
Iowa City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has 
all its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

 For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't think disassociating one's self from fellow countrymen or culture is 
important either, when adopting a new country. What concerns me is, are 
they(immigrants),willing to accept the customs and laws of their adoptive 
country. An example would be in some cultures, mainly eastern or middle 
eastern, segregation of the sexes is the norm. However, it is  thought to be 
sexist in another culture. Some can accept these differences and others can't 
or don't want to. Recently, in the name of religious freedom, we've had issues 
of people thinking they can obey the laws that  they choose. The one in the 
news the most lately, has been the woman in Kentucky that doesn't want to issue 
marriage licenses to gay people because she thinks it violates her religion. 
Many may agree, to a point, but most think she should obey the law.  She will 
eventually give in or take a different job. However, the incidents we don't 
hear that much about are Muslims that refuse to sell/ handle pork or alcohol 
and demand accommodation for that in their jobs due to *freedom of religion*. 
Muslim taxi drivers don't want to accept riders that either carry alcohol 
(unopened) or may be leaving a bar intoxicated. The question is, how much of an 
immigrant's former culture do we have to accept and at what inconvenience to 
our own culture and lifestyle. These are the kinds of conflicts that I'm 
referring to and they( differing issues) are much more numerous and how much 
resentment does it cause on either part? It's easy working these things out on 
an individual level but when entire cultures are involved, mine vs theirs, 
friction begins to build. I'm not against immigration, just think it should be 
done with caution and selectively. An immigrant to any country should be able 
to speak their own language, eat their own food, observe their own customs in 
their own homes but when in Rome( public) And if that is unacceptable, 
don't come.

 

 I think some of your thinking is based a little in fear but some is also 
practically based. Adopting certain traditions from other, incoming cultures 
has been happening constantly. Think of the new foods we eat now that were 
virtually unobtainable in North America just a few decades ago, the ethnic 
foods i.e. sushi. Music, art, theater have all benefited from the influx of new 
ideas, different life experiences of those coming to live on foreign soil. 
Fashion, dress habits - our lives are always being touched by a variety of 
influences, especially now with the internet and vast reaches of the media not 
to mention the ebb and flow of various ethnicities migrating around the globe.
 

 As far as taxi drivers, to take one example, I don't think they are (no matter 
what their ethnic background) required to take a ride that they deem is either 
a threat or likely to result in problems and this includes extremely inebriated 
passengers. I don't think any business is required by law -airlines, 
restaurants public transit - to allow a person deemed too inebriated to be 
given access to a premises. There has been a recent kerfuffle here in Canada 
about allowing RCMP officers who are Sikh to wear turbans or not, for example. 
Why not allow this? So that they can don the silly Mountie hat instead? Anyway, 
whether you like it or not your life and my life are being altered by the 
constant comings and goings of different individuals and different cultures 
every single day. Until the day you are forced, at knifepoint, to attend a 
mosque and swear fealty to Allah I don't think you need to sweat it. 
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Bingo! I've always been interested in learning about other cultures and 
enjoying what they have to offer, but there's a saying, "there's no place like 
home". The culture/religion a person is born into is an aspect of their dharma, 
it is an important part of their evolution. We feel comfortable, less stress,  
when we move about our daily lives in tune with others like us. What does it do 
to a person's evolution when he is suddenly put into, or even forced, into a 
foreign culture that he's not familiar with? Maharishi always used to say, 
"when in Rome..." but what if you're not comfortable doing as the locals do. Do 
you insist that  they conform to you because you have "your rights"? Is it 
their obligation to make you feel "normal"? I know it's a cliche but oil and 
water don't mix. I think assimilation is an important aspect of successful 
"transplanting" into a knew culture.
 

 I don't know if you have eve

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The other side of the coin is that many of these immigrants, including the 
illegal ones, add a lot to the bottom lines of the corporations that employ 
them. Just like 'gun control' we have the laws on the books so that illegal 
immigrants cannot be employed unless they have citizenship papers or a visa. In 
both agribiz and the hotel and service industries, these big corps. look the 
other way, not bothering to validate the flood of false credentials, while 
knowingly employing thousands of illegals. It is a false issue, really. A big 
lie to set the middle class in confict, while the profits continue to roll in.
 

 The entire horse industry would collapse in California if they didn't continue 
to have illegal Mexican labor to look after the barn help and grooms positions. 
Those rich, amateur dressage queens and hunter divas/ladies wouldn't know a 
pitchfork from a shovel LOL.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So you have to wonder, do people come here to contribute to the greater good 
and become E pluribus unum or do they come here to take what they want and 
leave the rest? A common language unites people.However, every immigrant group 
seems to expect more accommodation involving their native language.Here in 
Texas, almost all business and education involves Spanish and English. Press 1 
for English, press 2 for Spanish! Even streets signs in parts of Houston are in 
Vietnamese and Chinese! I mean, it looks kind of *cool*, international and 
chic, but how far do we go with that? I used to deliver to a doctor that ran a 
small clinic here and he put up a sign in his window announcing that  he no 
longer accepted medicaid patients. I asked him why and he told me that the 
government required that he furnish, at his expense, an interpreter for any 
language of any patient that he saw! "My God Mike, I have Poles, 
Russians,Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians and Arabs that come in here and 
I have to provide a translator", I can't afford it!"

 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it 
still is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In 
Iowa City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has 
all its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

 For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is pretty much why nothing gets done about illegal immigration. 
Republicans look the other way because  the chamber of commerce wants cheap 
labor who will be subsidized by all kinds of government hand-outs. Democrats 
look the other way because they want an underclass to vote for their government 
hand outs. Both also look the other way because illegals use false SS numbers. 
Numbers that cause money to flow into SS but will never be allowed to withdraw 
it. Illegals subsidize SS for everyone else, slowing down the collapse of SS.

  From: "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
    The other side of the coin is that many of these immigrants, including the 
illegal ones, add a lot to the bottom lines of the corporations that employ 
them. Just like 'gun control' we have the laws on the books so that illegal 
immigrants cannot be employed unless they have citizenship papers or a visa. In 
both agribiz and the hotel and service industries, these big corps. look the 
other way, not bothering to validate the flood of false credentials, while 
knowingly employing thousands of illegals. It is a false issue, really. A big 
lie to set the middle class in confict, while the profits continue to roll in.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

So you have to wonder, do people come here to contribute to the greater good 
and become E pluribus unum or do they come here to take what they want and 
leave the rest? A common language unites people.However, every immigrant group 
seems to expect more accommodation involving their native language.Here in 
Texas, almost all business and education involves Spanish and English. Press 1 
for English, press 2 for Spanish! Even streets signs in parts of Houston are in 
Vietnamese and Chinese! I mean, it looks kind of *cool*, international and 
chic, but how far do we go with that? I used to deliver to a doctor that ran a 
small clinic here and he put up a sign in his window announcing that  he no 
longer accepted medicaid patients. I asked him why and he told me that the 
government required that he furnish, at his expense, an interpreter for any 
language of any patient that he saw! "My God Mike, I have Poles, 
Russians,Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians and Arabs that come in here and 
I have to provide a translator", I can't afford it!"

  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it 
still is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In 
Iowa City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has 
all its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The commondenominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness arethat they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, likeDenmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't think disassociating one's self from fellow countrymen or culture is 
important either, when adopting a new country. What concerns me is, are 
they(immigrants),willing to accept the customs and laws of their adoptive 
country. An example would be in some cultures, mainly eastern or middle 
eastern, segregation of the sexes is the norm. However, it is  thought to be 
sexist in another culture. Some can accept these differences and others can't 
or don't want to. Recently, in the name of religious freedom, we've had issues 
of people thinking they can obey the laws that  they choose. The one in the 
news the most lately, has been the woman in Kentucky that doesn't want to issue 
marriage licenses to gay people because she thinks it violates her religion. 
Many may agree, to a point, but most think she should obey the law.  She will 
eventually give in or take a different job. However, the incidents we don't 
hear that much about are Muslims that refuse to sell/ handle pork or alcohol 
and demand accommodation for that in their jobs due to *freedom of religion*. 
Muslim taxi drivers don't want to accept riders that either carry alcohol 
(unopened) or may be leaving a bar intoxicated. The question is, how much of an 
immigrant's former culture do we have to accept and at what inconvenience to 
our own culture and lifestyle. These are the kinds of conflicts that I'm 
referring to and they( differing issues) are much more numerous and how much 
resentment does it cause on either part? It's easy working these things out on 
an individual level but when entire cultures are involved, mine vs theirs, 
friction begins to build. I'm not against immigration, just think it should be 
done with caution and selectively. An immigrant to any country should be able 
to speak their own language, eat their own food, observe their own customs in 
their own homes but when in Rome( public) And if that is unacceptable, 
don't come.

  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Bingo! I've always been interested in learning about other cultures and 
enjoying what they have to offer, but there's a saying, "there's no place like 
home". The culture/religion a person is born into is an aspect of their dharma, 
it is an important part of their evolution. We feel comfortable, less stress,  
when we move about our daily lives in tune with others like us. What does it do 
to a person's evolution when he is suddenly put into, or even forced, into a 
foreign culture that he's not familiar with? Maharishi always used to say, 
"when in Rome..." but what if you're not comfortable doing as the locals do. Do 
you insist that  they conform to you because you have "your rights"? Is it 
their obligation to make you feel "normal"? I know it's a cliche but oil and 
water don't mix. I think assimilation is an important aspect of successful 
"transplanting" into a knew culture.
I don't know if you have ever lived anywhere except the US, Mike and if you 
have if any of those places spoke other languages than English but I have. I 
will be the first to tell you that one tends to stick with others who speak 
your language and who moved from the same country you did. I was moved all over 
the place growing up and while I didn't live anywhere exotic I was moved to 
Germany as a nine year old child. I didn't speak a word of German when I 
initially arrived there and although I went to an International school where 
there were students from literally all over the world attending we all spoke 
English and our curriculum was pretty much North American based in terms of 
subjects taught and format observed. While I learned a decent/working level of 
the language over the three years we lived there I still played with my 
English-speaking friends - three other families who happened to have been from 
the US living on our short street so I can vouch that when you are in a foreign 
country one has a tendency to seek out and find the company of those who at 
least speak in a tongue you can readily understand. On the other hand, that is 
not to say we didn't take in all the rest of the culture including the food, 
the local townspeople and all the rest of it. Being raised Catholic we attended 
the local Catholic church just at Sikhs might search out the local Sikh temple 
in another country and congregate there. So, while I didn't reject my new home 
I found myself also embracing what I had known from my short life (9 years) in 
the US. To do so does not indicate a desire not to assimilate necessarily and 
while Germany today is very different from the Germany 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The other side of the coin is that many of these immigrants, including the 
illegal ones, add a lot to the bottom lines of the corporations that employ 
them. Just like 'gun control' we have the laws on the books so that illegal 
immigrants cannot be employed unless they have citizenship papers or a visa. In 
both agribiz and the hotel and service industries, these big corps. look the 
other way, not bothering to validate the flood of false credentials, while 
knowingly employing thousands of illegals. It is a false issue, really. A big 
lie to set the middle class in confict, while the profits continue to roll in. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So you have to wonder, do people come here to contribute to the greater good 
and become E pluribus unum or do they come here to take what they want and 
leave the rest? A common language unites people.However, every immigrant group 
seems to expect more accommodation involving their native language.Here in 
Texas, almost all business and education involves Spanish and English. Press 1 
for English, press 2 for Spanish! Even streets signs in parts of Houston are in 
Vietnamese and Chinese! I mean, it looks kind of *cool*, international and 
chic, but how far do we go with that? I used to deliver to a doctor that ran a 
small clinic here and he put up a sign in his window announcing that  he no 
longer accepted medicaid patients. I asked him why and he told me that the 
government required that he furnish, at his expense, an interpreter for any 
language of any patient that he saw! "My God Mike, I have Poles, 
Russians,Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians and Arabs that come in here and 
I have to provide a translator", I can't afford it!"

 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it 
still is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In 
Iowa City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has 
all its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

 For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So you have to wonder, do people come here to contribute to the greater good 
and become E pluribus unum or do they come here to take what they want and 
leave the rest? A common language unites people.However, every immigrant group 
seems to expect more accommodation involving their native language.Here in 
Texas, almost all business and education involves Spanish and English. Press 1 
for English, press 2 for Spanish! Even streets signs in parts of Houston are in 
Vietnamese and Chinese! I mean, it looks kind of *cool*, international and 
chic, but how far do we go with that? I used to deliver to a doctor that ran a 
small clinic here and he put up a sign in his window announcing that  he no 
longer accepted medicaid patients. I asked him why and he told me that the 
government required that he furnish, at his expense, an interpreter for any 
language of any patient that he saw! "My God Mike, I have Poles, 
Russians,Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians and Arabs that come in here and 
I have to provide a translator", I can't afford it!"

 

 Hey, in Canada we are also bilingual - supposedly. Every label on every 
product sold in this country has to be in French and English. In Quebec no one 
is allowed to use an English sign on their business and when you get an 
automated phone message it is in both English and French. Many Canadians resent 
this.
 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it 
still is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In 
Iowa City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has 
all its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

 For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Bingo! I've always been interested in learning about other cultures and 
enjoying what they have to offer, but there's a saying, "there's no place like 
home". The culture/religion a person is born into is an aspect of their dharma, 
it is an important part of their evolution. We feel comfortable, less stress,  
when we move about our daily lives in tune with others like us. What does it do 
to a person's evolution when he is suddenly put into, or even forced, into a 
foreign culture that he's not familiar with? Maharishi always used to say, 
"when in Rome..." but what if you're not comfortable doing as the locals do. Do 
you insist that  they conform to you because you have "your rights"? Is it 
their obligation to make you feel "normal"? I know it's a cliche but oil and 
water don't mix. I think assimilation is an important aspect of successful 
"transplanting" into a knew culture.
 

 I don't know if you have ever lived anywhere except the US, Mike and if you 
have if any of those places spoke other languages than English but I have. I 
will be the first to tell you that one tends to stick with others who speak 
your language and who moved from the same country you did. I was moved all over 
the place growing up and while I didn't live anywhere exotic I was moved to 
Germany as a nine year old child. I didn't speak a word of German when I 
initially arrived there and although I went to an International school where 
there were students from literally all over the world attending we all spoke 
English and our curriculum was pretty much North American based in terms of 
subjects taught and format observed. While I learned a decent/working level of 
the language over the three years we lived there I still played with my 
English-speaking friends - three other families who happened to have been from 
the US living on our short street so I can vouch that when you are in a foreign 
country one has a tendency to seek out and find the company of those who at 
least speak in a tongue you can readily understand. On the other hand, that is 
not to say we didn't take in all the rest of the culture including the food, 
the local townspeople and all the rest of it. Being raised Catholic we attended 
the local Catholic church just at Sikhs might search out the local Sikh temple 
in another country and congregate there. So, while I didn't reject my new home 
I found myself also embracing what I had known from my short life (9 years) in 
the US. To do so does not indicate a desire not to assimilate necessarily and 
while Germany today is very different from the Germany in 1966 it felt quite 
different to me as a young child then including the fact the German people 
hated the Americans and there were still bombed out buildings in evidence and 
never ending tall cranes dotting the skyline in the reconstruction of so much 
devastation still evident after WWII.
 

 I guess my point is this: Adopting another language or disassociating yourself 
from your fellow countrymen in a foreign land is not necessarily mandatory in 
one's adoption of that new country's characteristics and ways. There will 
always be a combination of embracing the old and coming to incorporate and 
assimilate the new. Because of my being moved around so much in my life I don't 
really know who I am or what country I associate with. I do feel white and I do 
feel privileged as in a first world resident but beyond that I have zero 
ability to feel nationalistic or patriotic.
 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:30 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   
 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So you have to wonder, do people come here to contribute to the greater good 
and become E pluribus unum or do they come here to take what they want and 
leave the rest? A common language unites people.However, every immigrant group 
seems to expect more accommodation involving their native language.Here in 
Texas, almost all business and education involves Spanish and English. Press 1 
for English, press 2 for Spanish! Even streets signs in parts of Houston are in 
Vietnamese and Chinese! I mean, it looks kind of *cool*, international and 
chic, but how far do we go with that? I used to deliver to a doctor that ran a 
small clinic here and he put up a sign in his window announcing that  he no 
longer accepted medicaid patients. I asked him why and he told me that the 
government required that he furnish, at his expense, an interpreter for any 
language of any patient that he saw! "My God Mike, I have Poles, 
Russians,Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians and Arabs that come in here and 
I have to provide a translator", I can't afford it!"

  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
    Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it 
still is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In 
Iowa City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has 
all its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The commondenominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness arethat they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, likeDenmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
http:/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Bingo! I've always been interested in learning about other cultures and 
enjoying what they have to offer, but there's a saying, "there's no place like 
home". The culture/religion a person is born into is an aspect of their dharma, 
it is an important part of their evolution. We feel comfortable, less stress,  
when we move about our daily lives in tune with others like us. What does it do 
to a person's evolution when he is suddenly put into, or even forced, into a 
foreign culture that he's not familiar with? Maharishi always used to say, 
"when in Rome..." but what if you're not comfortable doing as the locals do. Do 
you insist that  they conform to you because you have "your rights"? Is it 
their obligation to make you feel "normal"? I know it's a cliche but oil and 
water don't mix. I think assimilation is an important aspect of successful 
"transplanting" into a knew culture.

  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:30 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
   
    Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The commondenominator of 
the societies that score highest on measures of happiness arethat they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, likeDenmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[feste37]

Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it still 
is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In Iowa 
City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has all 
its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

 For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
 

 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

 For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
 

 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[feste37]

Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
 

 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
 

 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[feste37]

I agree with what you say here, since the people concerned are refugees, and 
there is an obligation in such matters. However, that doesn't mean it won't 
lead to problems down the road. In the 1960s, Britain liberalized its 
immigration policies, and the result was that immigration from the Third World 
exploded. Now we have whole enclaves in some cities in England, where the 
descendants of those people who came in the 1960s (from Pakistan, many of 
them), are hostile to Britain and everything it stands for. They were born in 
Britain but that does not make any difference to them. They subscribe to an 
Islamic ideology. Quite a number of them have gone off to fight for ISIS.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Feste, 

 That may well be the case in Europe.  But the immediate question to be 
answered is: would it be ethical to admit the refugees to Europe or USA as a 
humanitarian act to give them safe haven from the war in Syria and elsewhere in 
the Middle East?
 

 IMO, the answer is YES.  The rest of the probabilities cannot be determined by 
the human mind.  It should be left to the Unified Field. to sort out the 
complicated details.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
 

 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Feste, 

 That may well be the case in Europe.  But the immediate question to be 
answered is: would it be ethical to admit the refugees to Europe or USA as a 
humanitarian act to give them safe haven from the war in Syria and elsewhere in 
the Middle East?
 

 IMO, the answer is YES.  The rest of the probabilities cannot be determined by 
the human mind.  It should be left to the Unified Field. to sort out the 
complicated details.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
 

 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[feste37]

There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
 

 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing itself to be, perhaps, the most 
welcoming and open to the current refugee crisis from Syria. I love to see it. 
There is not a country on the planet that doesn't have enough space or 
potential to take in thousands of these displaced human beings. If you look at 
the birth rate in any given country, the amount of humans that are added to any 
country's population in one single day, you will note that it exceeds any 
number that would correspond to incoming refugees. The difference: strangers vs 
family or fellow countrymen. I personally think Canada is a great place for at 
least a quarter of a million of these fleeing people. God knows we have the 
space and we have the resources and Canadians are pretty decent folk, generally 
speaking.
 

 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179
 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/refugee-crisis-germans-welcoming/story?id=33589179]

 

 For example, the average amount of babies born (per day) in different 
countries are as follows:
 UK 1983
 Canada 1070
 USA 10,958
 Germany 1816

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Sri Bhagavan? campaign is closing soon

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It would appear that the Pope will disagree with Kurzweil, who predicts that 
humans will soon become cyborgs. 

 But IMO genetic engineering of humans would be relatively easier to accomplish 
than merging with machines.  But this too would have negative effects on 
humanity itself.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Judging computers, by their soul? Could the artificial intelligence of a 
computer meditate, Transcend? This on the Zen calendar in the outhouse on 
Monday the 8th.. “People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to avoid 
facing their own souls.” -Carl Gustav Jung   ..And, computers?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think Pope Frank needs to stop judging all computers with the stuff he finds 
on Vatican computers.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One wonders if he means FFL is bad for the soul.  What do you think?
 

 Computers contain filth, are bad for the soul, the pope says 
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/computers-contain-filth-bad-soul-212513740.html

 
 
 https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/computers-contain-filth-bad-soul-212513740.html
 
 Computers contain filth, are bad for the soul, the pope ... 
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/computers-contain-filth-bad-soul-212513740.html 
Technically Incorrect: In his latest comments about technology, Pope Francis is 
scathing about what technology is doing to mankind.


 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/computers-contain-filth-bad-soul-212513740.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Sri Bhagavan? campaign is closing soon

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

IMO, the Pope will probably baptize them if they asked for it.  This would 
apply to any ETs who might some day visit Earth.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One wonders if he means FFL is bad for the soul.  What do you think?
 

 He's just scared that people will find out the truth about the Annunaki.
 

 Computers contain filth, are bad for the soul, the pope says 
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/computers-contain-filth-bad-soul-212513740.html

 
 
 https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/computers-contain-filth-bad-soul-212513740.html
 
 Computers contain filth, are bad for the soul, the pope ... 
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/computers-contain-filth-bad-soul-212513740.html 
Technically Incorrect: In his latest comments about technology, Pope Francis is 
scathing about what technology is doing to mankind.


 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/computers-contain-filth-bad-soul-212513740.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wouldn't Want to Be a Scorpion?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On another interesting note from England's past:
 

 I doubt George Osborne would risk something like that, the Scots hate the 
Tories more than I do as it is. Thatcher ruined the industrial base of the 
country and successive governments have used the place as a testing ground for 
any new and controversial policies they want to try! So I don't blame them for 
not taking the current shower in Westminster seriously. I don't know what they 
are going to use for money though, have to go back to beaver pelts maybe.
 

 My only worry is the flag, how much is it going to cost to replace them all in 
time for our new princes birth? I sense a business opportunity.
 

 On the morning after the poll before, "Vote No and get something better" 
summed up George Osborne's message. It's a tried and trusted message which 
worked in the independence referendum in Quebec when a last minute poll lead 
for Yes was transformed into a narrow No. It is, though, a message with a 
difficult history in Scotland.
 

 Thirty five years ago it was precisely what Scots were told when they were 
voting in a referendum on a much more modest proposal - to create a Scottish 
Parliament with some devolved powers.
 

 A former prime minister, a Scot and, as it happens, a Tory, Sir Alec Douglas 
Home urged his countrymen to vote No and get "something better". The referendum 
rejected devolution and what they got soon afterwards was 18 years of Margaret 
Thatcher's government and no devolution at all (until, that is, Labour were 
re-elected in 1997).
 

 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29106901 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29106901
  
  
 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29106901
  
  
  
  
  
 Scotland - Vote No and get something better? 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29106901 George Osborne's message is a 
tried and trusted one, having been used in referendums in Quebec - and Scotland 
itself in 1979.


 
 View on www.bbc.com
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 9:06 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wouldn't Want to Be a Scorpion?
 
 
   Ah, life under the Tories. It's all they ever wanted, a return to the good 
old days and the lower orders kept in our place. And their policies are sold as 
benefiting everyone but this is how it ends up. Wassup with us, that's what I 
want to know!

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 "Are we going to settle for a nastier and poorer Britain - a Downton 
Abbey-style society, in which the living standards of the vast majority are 
sacrificed to protect the high living of the well-to-do?
 

 We are piling yet more riches onto a privileged few. Economic growth is back 
but there's no sign of it in most workers' pay packets. In fact, the gap has 
got worse. Top chief executives now earn 175 times the wages of the average 
worker."
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503


  
  
 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503
  
  
  
  
  
 Britain 'becoming like Downton Abbey' 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503 The leader of Britain's trade 
union movement warns of a "Downton Abbey-style" society in which social 
mobility "has hit reverse".


 
 View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

  
 









 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wouldn't Want to Be a Scorpion?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

On another interesting note from England's past:


On the morning after the poll before, "Vote No 
and get something better" summed up George Osborne's message. It's a 
tried and trusted message which worked in the independence referendum in Quebec 
when a last minute poll lead for Yes was transformed into a 
narrow No. It is, though, a message with a difficult history in 
Scotland. 

Thirty five years ago it was precisely what Scots were told 
when they were voting in a referendum on a much more modest proposal - 
to create a Scottish Parliament with some devolved powers.

A former prime minister, a Scot and, as it happens, a Tory, 
Sir Alec Douglas Home urged his countrymen to vote No and get "something 
better". The referendum rejected devolution and what they got soon 
afterwards was 18 years of Margaret Thatcher's government and no 
devolution at all (until, that is, Labour were re-elected in 1997).

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29106901
  
 
Scotland - Vote No and get something better?
George Osborne's message is a tried and trusted one, having been used in 
referendums in Quebec - and Scotland itself in 1979.  
View on www.bbc.com Preview by Yahoo  
  



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 9:06 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wouldn't Want to Be a Scorpion?
 


  
Ah, life under the Tories. It's all they ever wanted, a return to the good old 
days and the lower orders kept in our place. And their policies are sold as 
benefiting everyone but this is how it ends up. Wassup with us, that's what I 
want to know!



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




"Are we going to settle for a nastier and
poorer Britain - a Downton Abbey-style society, in which the living
standards of the vast majority are sacrificed to protect the high living
of the well-to-do?

We are piling yet more riches onto a privileged few.
Economic growth is back but there's no sign of it in most workers' pay
packets. In fact, the gap has got worse. Top chief executives now earn
175 times the wages of the average worker."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503


  
 
Britain 'becoming like Downton Abbey'
The leader of Britain's trade union movement warns of a "Downton Abbey-style" 
society in which social
mobility "has hit reverse".  
View on www.bbc.com Preview by Yahoo  
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wouldn't Want to Be a Scorpion?

[salyavin808]

Ah, life under the Tories. It's all they ever wanted, a return to the good old 
days and the lower orders kept in our place. And their policies are sold as 
benefiting everyone but this is how it ends up. Wassup with us, that's what I 
want to know!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 "Are we going to settle for a nastier and poorer Britain - a Downton 
Abbey-style society, in which the living standards of the vast majority are 
sacrificed to protect the high living of the well-to-do?
 

 We are piling yet more riches onto a privileged few. Economic growth is back 
but there's no sign of it in most workers' pay packets. In fact, the gap has 
got worse. Top chief executives now earn 175 times the wages of the average 
worker."
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503


  
  
 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503
  
  
  
  
  
 Britain 'becoming like Downton Abbey' 
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29103503 The leader of Britain's trade 
union movement warns of a "Downton Abbey-style" society in which social 
mobility "has hit reverse".


 
 View on www.bbc.com
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Killed Jim Morrison?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 The comments below the article suggest that Jim never used smack but when he 
caught his wife with China White heroin he mistook it for cocaine. After taking 
a line and then realizing his mistake he got into a bath to try to lower his 
body temperature and fight off the overdose effects - alas to little avail. 
Sounds plausible.
 

 To say the drug dealer killed Morrison is ludicrous. Like saying a toddler who 
swigs drain cleaner was murdered by Wallmart.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Marianne Faithfull said her ex did it.  Smack was too strong for him.
 

 
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-killed-jim-morrison-faithfull-tells-interview-195203019.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-killed-jim-morrison-faithfull-tells-interview-195203019.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Killed Jim Morrison?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The comments below the article suggest that Jim didn't use smack but when he 
caught his wife with China White heroin he mistook it for cocaine. After taking 
a line and then realizing his mistake he got into a bath to try to lower his 
body temperature and fight off the overdose effects - alas to little effect. 
Sounds plausible.
 

 To say the drug dealer killed Morrison is ludicrous. Like saying a toddler who 
swigs drain cleaner was murdered by Wallmart.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who are America's untouchables?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robyn-blumner/why-are-the-openly-secula_b_5381248.html
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robyn-blumner/why-are-the-openly-secula_b_5381248.html

 

 I think for some of these atheist-haters being a non-believer in an Almighty 
power indicates the atheist has no values that would uphold the sanctity of 
life or the support of lawfulness. Certainly I am not saying I agree but this 
is what some think: Godlessness = lawlessness.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who We Are, was TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

[Richard J. Williams]

On 4/13/2014 10:05 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:


There is some evidence that Barry was associated with the TMO - I
saw a photo of him in a TMO publication and it sure looked like
him. There is also his book about Rama that contains some
anecdotal stories. I also saw a posted photo of BillyG shaking
hands with Charles Lutes at the SRM Center in L.A. I saw a photo
on FFL of Ann with a horse.


Well, I said it was Ann on a horse but it could've been Mrs
McGillikudy on a horse instead. You'll never know!


>
There is some evidence, a photo, that purports to show Ann with a horse. 
But no photo or video that I know of purports to show Fred Lenz 
levitating, alone or up on stage in front of a crowd of people. However, 
there are numerous photos of yogic-flyers bouncing up pretty high on 
foam inside the Golden Dome.


So, I'd say there is more evidence that Ann likes horses than evidence 
that Barry was inside Rama's cult. Go figure.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Who We Are, was TM-Sidhis nothing but Placebo Effect?

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/10/2014 11:38 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

 As you know, Richard, there's no evidence Barry got kicked out of the TMO or 
Lenz's group rather than leaving of his own accord. >
 As you know, there's no evidence than anyone posting here is who they say they 
are. 
 
 Can you post something that proves you are somebody? You could be a nice 
editor that used to live in New York City for all I know. Can any of the 
informants posting here prove anything they say they are - it's easy to go 
online and make anonymous claims of being a TM teacher or a member of a cult 
organization - but who is going to post any evidence? Go figure.
 
 There is some evidence that Barry was associated with the TMO - I saw a photo 
of him in a TMO publication and it sure looked like him. There is also his book 
about Rama that contains some anecdotal stories. I also saw a posted photo of 
BillyG shaking hands with Charles Lutes at the SRM Center in L.A. I saw a photo 
on FFL of Ann with a horse. 
 Well, I said it was Ann on a horse but it could've been Mrs McGillikudy on a 
horse instead. You'll never know!
 

 This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus 
http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Who Are You Going to Call?

[emptybill]

Everybody knows that this aggression is Bush's fault. 
Maybe you should pose a selfie outside his ranch with a sign ...

"W! On behalf of the U.N. you are under citizen's arrest for your crimes! Get 
out of your car with your hands in the air." 
So get to it. We'll be waiting for you to post it here.

Oh so brave Barry-Two sez:
Don't forget that "Springtime is Wartime" be it Hitler or Dubya.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Who Yahoo or spammers think you are if you read Fairfield Life

[dhamiltony2k5]

Om, the testosterone ads? You don't get the testosterone ads?  Obviously you 
need a stronger name, a real guy's name like 'Buck' to write under.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Who?

[Richard J. Williams]

It's not complicated.

According to Gaudapada and Shankara, the external world has no existence 
independent of consciousness. Ajativada, or the doctrine of 
no-origination, is the fundamental doctrine of Adwaita.


"Gaudapaada is one of the most important figures in Indian philosophy 
since it is he who successfully reconciles orthodox thought with its 
prime opponent of the day - Buddhism."


Gaudapada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada

On 10/12/2013 9:56 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:


/Tea House sez:/

//

/Oh empty, and now I thought, you had put all this information 
carefully together, what an act, but actually you just lifted it from 
here .../


What B.S. Why should I restate the obvious? Are you be incapable of 
doing a 30 second Google search? Maybe you thought I was suggesting 
that I “akasha-gamana’ed” myself to Arunchala to consult with Ramana’s 
Maha-samadhi for the low-down. Well I’m here to tell you that /of 
course/ that’s what happened … didn’t you do the same? Yep, He told me 
that you and Prairie Dog were both Shaktas like Ganapati and Kapali 
Shastri. He also said you two were incapable of understanding Kevala 
Advaita ‘cause you were still trying to get “lighten-mint”. He added … 
what’d you expect of Shakta-s that expect Adya-Mom to give them Big 
Samadhi-s, claim they were now 'lightened and then change their 
diapers too?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Who?

[iranitea]

Btw. Ramana Maharshi got his title / name by Ganapathy Shastri Muni, also 
called Nayana, a Shri Vidya practitioner from Andhra Pradesh. He was the first 
one to make Ramana known to a larger audience within India. After finding his 
guru in Ramana, he composed a 1000 versed poem, which was actually transmitted 
to him by Ramana, called Uma Sahasranam. The first book about Ramana he 
composed, in verse form, representing Q&A, was called Ramana Gita, still at 
Virupaksha times.

 

 http://the-wanderling.com/ganapati_muni.html


Ganapathi Muni had disciples of his own, one was Kapali Shastry, another Shri 
Vidya practitioner and tantric.


After Nayana died, Kapali Shastri switched from Ramana to the Aurobindo Ashram, 
becoming a disciple of Mirra Alfassa. He also had a disciple of his own, M.P. 
Pundit, who later became a personal secretary of Mirra Alfassa. He wrote many 
books correlating tantra to Sri Aurobindos philosophy. I mention this because 
of their Shri Vidya association, and because of the link Kapali Shastri 
presented between Aurobindo and Ramana, as he was still revisiting and speaking 
with Ramana after switching to Aurobindo. Also, one of the chapters in Ramana 
Gita are questions of Kapali pertaining to Shakti in the light of Ramanas 
teaching. I like this link between two worlds, the tantric Shakti world of 
Aurobindo, and the Kevala Advaita world of Ramana, represented by these persons.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Another prominent south-Indian (Tamil),  who: 

 Venkataraman was popular, good at sports, mischievous, and was very 
intelligent with an exceptional memory which enabled him to succeed in school 
without having to put in very much effort. He had a couple of unusual traits. 
When he slept, he went into such a deep state of unconsciousness that his 
friends could physically assault his body without waking him up. He also had an 
extraordinary amount of luck. In team games, whichever side he played for 
always won. This earned him the nickname 'Tanga-kai', which means 'golden 
hand'.[web 6] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi#cite_note-autogenerated2-26
 When Venkataraman was about 11, his father sent him to live with his paternal 
uncle Subbaiyar in Dindigul because he wanted his sons to be educated in 
English so they would be eligible to enter government service, and only Tamil 
was taught at the village school in Tiruchuzhi. In 1891, when his uncle was 
transferred to Madurai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madurai, Venkataraman and 
his elder brother Nagaswami moved with him. In Dindigul, Venkataraman attended 
a British School.
 In 1892, Venkataraman's father Sundaram Iyer suddenly fell seriously ill and 
unexpectedly died several days later at the age of 42.[15] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKrishna_BikshuYear_unknown-27
 For some hours after his father's death he contemplated the matter of death, 
and how his father's body was still there, but the 'I' was gone from it.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Richard J. Williams]

WASHINGTON — Before Edward Snowden began leaking 
national security secrets, he twice cleared the 
hurdle of the federal government's background 
check system — first at the CIA, then as a systems 
analyst at the National Security Agency...

'NSA leaks raise concerns about reliability of 
government's sensitive background check system'
Washington Post:
http://tinyurl.com/lcu6phy

> > It's Bush's fault!
> > 
> WASHINGTON — Long ago, before fiber-optic splitter 
> intercepts, before secret deals with ISPs and telecoms 
> to let the government monitor billions of emails and 
> cellphone calls — yes, before email and cellphones 
> even existed — Congress put the nation's spy agencies 
> on the hot seat...
> 
> 'The intelligence-industrial complex: can Congress control it?'
> San Antonio Express-News:
> http://tinyurl.com/q4brlz5 
> 
> > Everyone knows by now that Edward Snowden worked for 
> > Booz Allen Hamilton for only three months. We know 
> > that the purloined information appeared in the 
> > Guardian. 
> > 
> > And, we know that Snowden flew to Hong Kong and then
> > to Moscow. The question remains "Who, if anyone, aided 
> > and abetted this well-planned theft of U.S. secrets?"
> > 
> > 'Who Helped Snowden Steal State Secrets?'
> > Wall Street Journal:
> > http://tinyurl.com/n9gyuv2
> > 
> > > He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them 
> > > to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge, 
> > > "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or 
> > > malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or 
> > > for all he knows)."
> > > 
> > > http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
> > > 
> > > "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only 
> > > deepen our concerns about our private data."
> > > 
> > > 'Fear of a Black Hat'
> > > Slate:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Richard J. Williams]

Mike Dixon:
> It's Bush's fault!
> 
WASHINGTON — Long ago, before fiber-optic splitter 
intercepts, before secret deals with ISPs and telecoms 
to let the government monitor billions of emails and 
cellphone calls — yes, before email and cellphones 
even existed — Congress put the nation's spy agencies 
on the hot seat...

'The intelligence-industrial complex: can Congress control it?'
San Antonio Express-News:
http://tinyurl.com/q4brlz5 

> Everyone knows by now that Edward Snowden worked for 
> Booz Allen Hamilton for only three months. We know 
> that the purloined information appeared in the 
> Guardian. 
> 
> And, we know that Snowden flew to Hong Kong and then
> to Moscow. The question remains "Who, if anyone, aided 
> and abetted this well-planned theft of U.S. secrets?"
> 
> 'Who Helped Snowden Steal State Secrets?'
> Wall Street Journal:
> http://tinyurl.com/n9gyuv2
> 
> > He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them 
> > to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge, 
> > "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or 
> > malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or 
> > for all he knows)."
> > 
> > http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
> > 
> > "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only 
> > deepen our concerns about our private data."
> > 
> > 'Fear of a Black Hat'
> > Slate:
> > http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Mike Dixon]

It's Bush's fault!

 


 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?
  
 
   
 


Everyone knows by now that Edward Snowden worked for 
Booz Allen Hamilton for only three months. We know 
that the purloined information appeared in the 
Guardian. 

And, we know that Snowden flew to Hong Kong and then
to Moscow. The question remains "Who, if anyone, aided 
and abetted this well-planned theft of U.S. secrets?"

'Who Helped Snowden Steal State Secrets?'
Wall Street Journal:
http://tinyurl.com/n9gyuv2

> He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them 
> to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge, 
> "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or 
> malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or 
> for all he knows)."
> 
> http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
> 
> "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only 
> deepen our concerns about our private data."
> 
> 'Fear of a Black Hat'
> Slate:
> http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
>

   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Richard J. Williams]

Everyone knows by now that Edward Snowden worked for 
Booz Allen Hamilton for only three months. We know 
that the purloined information appeared in the 
Guardian. 

And, we know that Snowden flew to Hong Kong and then
to Moscow. The question remains "Who, if anyone, aided 
and abetted this well-planned theft of U.S. secrets?"

'Who Helped Snowden Steal State Secrets?'
Wall Street Journal:
http://tinyurl.com/n9gyuv2

> He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them 
> to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge, 
> "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or 
> malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or 
> for all he knows)."
> 
> http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
> 
> "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only 
> deepen our concerns about our private data."
> 
> 'Fear of a Black Hat'
> Slate:
> http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Richard J. Williams]

> > > If you have questions then ask so we can explain
> > > some of these tings to you.
> > >
> > Thanks. So, who is Edward Snowden?
> >
Bhairitu:
> Already discussed it yesterday.  Didn't you decode 
> the message or did you lose your decoder ring 
> already?
>
So, you don't know who Edward Snowden is. So, who is 
LulzSec?

> > 'We Are Anonymous'
> > Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, 
> > and the  Global Cyber Insurgency
> > by P. Olsen
> > Back Bay Books, 2013
> >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/27/2013 07:34 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
>>> So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter
>>> hackers work, but you trust the red hatters. LoL!
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> You don't  want to talk about it either.
>>
> So, you haven't read the book. Go figure.
>
> Nobody seems to want to talk about it, but I did kind
> of expect the program hackers on FFL to tell me what's
> up with the hacking. Some informant you turned out to
> be!
>
>> You just post links to articles. Apparently you don't
>> understand what's in the articles.
>>
> You're linked already. Out in California in the Bay Area,
> they are recording your license plate number and VIN
> every time you drive out your driveway.
>
> They know who you are, who you are friends with, and who
> you text and talk to. Along with your SS number they
> know everything about you - there's no secrets anymore!
>
> Your license-plate data is instantly sent to the nearest
> intelligence data center.
>
> According to what I've read, the database will be
> capable of handling over 100 million records inside a
> rather large black ops building with no windows and a
> fence around it with armed guards at the gate, FOREVER.
>
> The license plate data will be accessible to local and
> state law enforcement across the region in a moment's
> notice and shared with the FBI and the NSA.
>
> And that's just the tip of the iceberg when you consider
> that under Obamacare, all your medical records will be
> digitized and stored and shared in a database, so they
> can see if you've have any medical insurance. Go figure.
>
> "At a rapid pace, and mostly hidden from the public,
> police agencies throughout California have been
> collecting millions of records on drivers and feeding
> them to intelligence fusion centers operated by local,
> state and federal law enforcement..."
>
> "License-plate readers let police collect millions of
> records on drivers'
> http://tinyurl.com/pnac4gm
>
> 'Think NSA Spying Is Bad? Here Comes ObamaCare Hub'
> http://tinyurl.com/ohvsdt2
>
>> If you have questions then ask so we can explain
>> some of these tings to you.
>>
> Thanks. So, who is Edward Snowden?
>
> 'We Are Anonymous'
> Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the
> Global Cyber Insurgency
> by P. Olsen
> Back Bay Books, 2013

Already discussed it yesterday.  Didn't you decode the message or did 
you lose your decoder ring already?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Richard J. Williams]

> > So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter
> > hackers work, but you trust the red hatters. LoL!
> >
Bhairitu:
> You don't  want to talk about it either.  
>
So, you haven't read the book. Go figure.

Nobody seems to want to talk about it, but I did kind
of expect the program hackers on FFL to tell me what's 
up with the hacking. Some informant you turned out to 
be!

> You just post links to articles. Apparently you don't 
> understand what's in the articles.
>
You're linked already. Out in California in the Bay Area, 
they are recording your license plate number and VIN 
every time you drive out your driveway. 

They know who you are, who you are friends with, and who 
you text and talk to. Along with your SS number they 
know everything about you - there's no secrets anymore! 

Your license-plate data is instantly sent to the nearest 
intelligence data center. 

According to what I've read, the database will be 
capable of handling over 100 million records inside a 
rather large black ops building with no windows and a 
fence around it with armed guards at the gate, FOREVER. 

The license plate data will be accessible to local and 
state law enforcement across the region in a moment's 
notice and shared with the FBI and the NSA.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg when you consider 
that under Obamacare, all your medical records will be 
digitized and stored and shared in a database, so they 
can see if you've have any medical insurance. Go figure.

"At a rapid pace, and mostly hidden from the public, 
police agencies throughout California have been 
collecting millions of records on drivers and feeding 
them to intelligence fusion centers operated by local, 
state and federal law enforcement..."

"License-plate readers let police collect millions of 
records on drivers'
http://tinyurl.com/pnac4gm

'Think NSA Spying Is Bad? Here Comes ObamaCare Hub'
http://tinyurl.com/ohvsdt2 

> If you have questions then ask so we can explain
> some of these tings to you.
>
Thanks. So, who is Edward Snowden?

'We Are Anonymous'
Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the
Global Cyber Insurgency
by P. Olsen
Back Bay Books, 2013

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/26/2013 10:19 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>>> So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter
>>> hackers work. After hacking all your code, they'll
>>> install a worm on your PC, called MyFace, so your PC
>>> works like a mega-upload database to get more info.
>>>
>> I run Linux.
>>> With the Google glasses, they can see right into your
>>> brain and send out tiny signals to your nerves! LoL!
>> Google glasses are going to be a flop.  It won't be
>> Google's first flop.  Remember Google TV?
>>
>>> Who owns the internet - Microsoft or Peter Norton
>>> and John McAfee's antivirus program? Maybe you're
>>> already hacked, from the inside out. How do you know
>>> these programs don't contain a worldwide hacker worm?
>> They already hacked your brain years ago.  That's why
>> it's on the fritz.
>>
> So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter
> hackers work, but you trust the red hatters. LoL!

You don't  want to talk about it either.  You just post links to 
articles.  Apparently you don't understand what's in the articles. If 
you have questions then ask so we can explain some of these tings to you.

>
> "The documents also show that discretion as to who is
> actually targeted under the NSA's foreign surveillance
> powers lies directly with its own analysts..."
>
> 'FBI Director Gave A Wrong Answer To Congress'
> Business Insider:
> http://tinyurl.com/omvpn9a
>
>>> Go figure.
>>>
>>> "Snowden makes Aldrich Ames look like a piker."
>>>
>>> 'Snowden Watch: Why Putin is Loving It'
>>> National Review:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/pwtqrdo
>>>
>>> Bhairitu:
 Try clicking on CC.  That'll give you the English
 subtitles.

> Great - a movie in German. So, you don't want to talk
> about how the black hatter hackers work. If Snowden
> gave a thumb drive to Putin, it could launch another
> variant worm. Go figure.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
>
> "Another beneficial aspect of the book is that it
> clearly illustrates the peril that anyone with a social
> media account (facebook, twitter, linked in) may be
> placed in if they are not familiar with the techniques
> that are practiced every day by 'social engineers' on
> the internet.
>
> Read this book and you may find yourself rethinking how
> relaxed your security settings and practices are with
> regards to facebook." - Amazon Reviewer
>
> 'We Are Anonymous'
> Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the
> Global Cyber Insurgency
> by P. Olsen
> Back Bay Books, 2013
>
>> On 06/25/2013 07:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>>> He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them
>>> to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge,
>>> "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or
>>> malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or
>>> for all he knows)."
>>>
>>> http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
>>>
>>> "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only
>>> deepen our concerns about our private data."
>>>
>>> 'Fear of a Black Hat'
>>> Slate:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> "The Lives of Others"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veag-ptUkXI
>>
>>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Richard J. Williams]

> > So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter
> > hackers work. After hacking all your code, they'll
> > install a worm on your PC, called MyFace, so your PC
> > works like a mega-upload database to get more info.
> >
> I run Linux.
> >
> > With the Google glasses, they can see right into your
> > brain and send out tiny signals to your nerves! LoL!
> 
> Google glasses are going to be a flop.  It won't be 
> Google's first flop.  Remember Google TV?
> 
> >
> > Who owns the internet - Microsoft or Peter Norton
> > and John McAfee's antivirus program? Maybe you're
> > already hacked, from the inside out. How do you know
> > these programs don't contain a worldwide hacker worm?
> 
> They already hacked your brain years ago.  That's why 
> it's on the fritz.
> 
So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter 
hackers work, but you trust the red hatters. LoL! 

"The documents also show that discretion as to who is 
actually targeted under the NSA's foreign surveillance 
powers lies directly with its own analysts..."

'FBI Director Gave A Wrong Answer To Congress' 
Business Insider:
http://tinyurl.com/omvpn9a

> > Go figure.
> >
> > "Snowden makes Aldrich Ames look like a piker."
> >
> > 'Snowden Watch: Why Putin is Loving It'
> > National Review:
> > http://tinyurl.com/pwtqrdo
> >
> > Bhairitu:
> >> Try clicking on CC.  That'll give you the English
> >> subtitles.
> >>
> >>> Great - a movie in German. So, you don't want to talk
> >>> about how the black hatter hackers work. If Snowden
> >>> gave a thumb drive to Putin, it could launch another
> >>> variant worm. Go figure.
> >>>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
> >>>
> >>> "Another beneficial aspect of the book is that it
> >>> clearly illustrates the peril that anyone with a social
> >>> media account (facebook, twitter, linked in) may be
> >>> placed in if they are not familiar with the techniques
> >>> that are practiced every day by 'social engineers' on
> >>> the internet.
> >>>
> >>> Read this book and you may find yourself rethinking how
> >>> relaxed your security settings and practices are with
> >>> regards to facebook." - Amazon Reviewer
> >>>
> >>> 'We Are Anonymous'
> >>> Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the
> >>> Global Cyber Insurgency
> >>> by P. Olsen
> >>> Back Bay Books, 2013
> >>>
>  On 06/25/2013 07:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> > He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them
> > to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge,
> > "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or
> > malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or
> > for all he knows)."
> >
> > http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
> >
> > "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only
> > deepen our concerns about our private data."
> >
> > 'Fear of a Black Hat'
> > Slate:
> > http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
> >
> >>> Bhairitu:
>  "The Lives of Others"
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veag-ptUkXI
> 
> >>>
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Bhairitu]

So, you don't know what that movie is about?


On 06/26/2013 09:31 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter
> hackers work. After hacking all your code, they'll
> install a worm on your PC, called MyFace, so your PC
> works like a mega-upload database to get more info.

I run Linux.
>
> With the Google glasses, they can see right into your
> brain and send out tiny signals to your nerves! LoL!

Google glasses are going to be a flop.  It won't be Google's first 
flop.  Remember Google TV?

>
> Who owns the internet - Microsoft or Peter Norton
> and John McAfee's antivirus program? Maybe you're
> already hacked, from the inside out. How do you know
> these programs don't contain a worldwide hacker worm?

They already hacked your brain years ago.  That's why it's on the fritz.


>
> Go figure.
>
> "Snowden makes Aldrich Ames look like a piker."
>
> 'Snowden Watch: Why Putin is Loving It'
> National Review:
> http://tinyurl.com/pwtqrdo
>
> Bhairitu:
>> Try clicking on CC.  That'll give you the English
>> subtitles.
>>
>>> Great - a movie in German. So, you don't want to talk
>>> about how the black hatter hackers work. If Snowden
>>> gave a thumb drive to Putin, it could launch another
>>> variant worm. Go figure.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
>>>
>>> "Another beneficial aspect of the book is that it
>>> clearly illustrates the peril that anyone with a social
>>> media account (facebook, twitter, linked in) may be
>>> placed in if they are not familiar with the techniques
>>> that are practiced every day by 'social engineers' on
>>> the internet.
>>>
>>> Read this book and you may find yourself rethinking how
>>> relaxed your security settings and practices are with
>>> regards to facebook." - Amazon Reviewer
>>>
>>> 'We Are Anonymous'
>>> Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the
>>> Global Cyber Insurgency
>>> by P. Olsen
>>> Back Bay Books, 2013
>>>
 On 06/25/2013 07:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them
> to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge,
> "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or
> malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or
> for all he knows)."
>
> http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
>
> "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only
> deepen our concerns about our private data."
>
> 'Fear of a Black Hat'
> Slate:
> http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
>
>>> Bhairitu:
 "The Lives of Others"
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veag-ptUkXI

>>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Richard J. Williams]

So, you don't want to talk about how the black hatter
hackers work. After hacking all your code, they'll
install a worm on your PC, called MyFace, so your PC 
works like a mega-upload database to get more info.

With the Google glasses, they can see right into your
brain and send out tiny signals to your nerves! LoL! 

Who owns the internet - Microsoft or Peter Norton 
and John McAfee's antivirus program? Maybe you're
already hacked, from the inside out. How do you know
these programs don't contain a worldwide hacker worm? 

Go figure. 

"Snowden makes Aldrich Ames look like a piker."

'Snowden Watch: Why Putin is Loving It'
National Review:
http://tinyurl.com/pwtqrdo

Bhairitu:
> Try clicking on CC.  That'll give you the English 
> subtitles.
> 
> > Great - a movie in German. So, you don't want to talk
> > about how the black hatter hackers work. If Snowden
> > gave a thumb drive to Putin, it could launch another
> > variant worm. Go figure.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
> >
> > "Another beneficial aspect of the book is that it
> > clearly illustrates the peril that anyone with a social
> > media account (facebook, twitter, linked in) may be
> > placed in if they are not familiar with the techniques
> > that are practiced every day by 'social engineers' on
> > the internet.
> >
> > Read this book and you may find yourself rethinking how
> > relaxed your security settings and practices are with
> > regards to facebook." - Amazon Reviewer
> >
> > 'We Are Anonymous'
> > Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the
> > Global Cyber Insurgency
> > by P. Olsen
> > Back Bay Books, 2013
> >
> >> On 06/25/2013 07:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> >>> He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them
> >>> to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge,
> >>> "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or
> >>> malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or
> >>> for all he knows)."
> >>>
> >>> http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
> >>>
> >>> "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only
> >>> deepen our concerns about our private data."
> >>>
> >>> 'Fear of a Black Hat'
> >>> Slate:
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
> >>>
> > Bhairitu:
> >> "The Lives of Others"
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veag-ptUkXI
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Bhairitu]

Try clicking on CC.  That'll give you the English subtitles.

On 06/26/2013 08:58 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> Great - a movie in German. So, you don't want to talk
> about how the black hatter hackers work. If Snowden
> gave a thumb drive to Putin, it could launch another
> variant worm. Go figure.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
>
> "Another beneficial aspect of the book is that it
> clearly illustrates the peril that anyone with a social
> media account (facebook, twitter, linked in) may be
> placed in if they are not familiar with the techniques
> that are practiced every day by 'social engineers' on
> the internet.
>
> Read this book and you may find yourself rethinking how
> relaxed your security settings and practices are with
> regards to facebook." - Amazon Reviewer
>
> 'We Are Anonymous'
> Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the
> Global Cyber Insurgency
> by P. Olsen
> Back Bay Books, 2013
>
>> On 06/25/2013 07:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>>> He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them
>>> to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge,
>>> "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or
>>> malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or
>>> for all he knows)."
>>>
>>> http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
>>>
>>> "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only
>>> deepen our concerns about our private data."
>>>
>>> 'Fear of a Black Hat'
>>> Slate:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
>>>
> Bhairitu:
>> "The Lives of Others"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veag-ptUkXI
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Edward Snowden?

[Richard J. Williams]

Great - a movie in German. So, you don't want to talk 
about how the black hatter hackers work. If Snowden
gave a thumb drive to Putin, it could launch another
variant worm. Go figure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

"Another beneficial aspect of the book is that it 
clearly illustrates the peril that anyone with a social 
media account (facebook, twitter, linked in) may be 
placed in if they are not familiar with the techniques 
that are practiced every day by 'social engineers' on 
the internet. 

Read this book and you may find yourself rethinking how 
relaxed your security settings and practices are with 
regards to facebook." - Amazon Reviewer 

'We Are Anonymous'
Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the 
Global Cyber Insurgency
by P. Olsen
Back Bay Books, 2013  

> On 06/25/2013 07:28 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> > He's encrypted thousands of documents and sent them
> > to Wikileaks. For all we know he may be a stooge,
> > "in an elaborate scheme to get disinformation, or
> > malware, into Chinese or Russian intelligence. (Or
> > for all he knows)."
> >
> > http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/170444/
> >
> > "Every revelation about Edward Snowden should only
> > deepen our concerns about our private data."
> >
> > 'Fear of a Black Hat'
> > Slate:
> > http://tinyurl.com/npz2lsb
> >
Bhairitu:
> "The Lives of Others"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veag-ptUkXI
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Sri Bhagavan

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> A worthy endeavor. However, I too, am making a film about MY life (well, I 
> began thinking about the script when I saw your message), and am also looking 
> for assistance, in the form of bullion, property deeds to old estates, 
> vintage automobiles, rare coins, and the like. The way I see it, is this: 
> 
> Ramana Maharishi was an ascetic, so aside from a lot of voice-overs, pans of 
> Arunachala, and interpolated still shots of the Saint, it should be fairly 
> easy to complete the film on a slim budget.
> 
> In my case, though, I have traveled widely, and it will take considerable 
> funds to recreate these global scenes from my past, in addition to scouting 
> SAG, for a child actor that resembles me, from those days.
> 
> Perhaps we can work out a 90/10 split??

I'm in but only if it will include woo, claims of enlightenment and a 
suggestion of nudity. Deal?
> 
> Regards,
> Doc  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"  wrote:
> >
> > Who is Sri Bhagavan - A Meditation on Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi and His 
> > Teachings.
> > 
> > A wonderful film is being made about Ramana Maharshi and the inner 
> > experience of visiting Ramanasramam and Arunachala. You can learn about 
> > this at the site below. Help is being asked to complete this film. 
> > 
> > http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/who-is-sri-bhagavan/
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Richard
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Sri Bhagavan

[doctordumbass]

A worthy endeavor. However, I too, am making a film about MY life (well, I 
began thinking about the script when I saw your message), and am also looking 
for assistance, in the form of bullion, property deeds to old estates, vintage 
automobiles, rare coins, and the like. The way I see it, is this: 

Ramana Maharishi was an ascetic, so aside from a lot of voice-overs, pans of 
Arunachala, and interpolated still shots of the Saint, it should be fairly easy 
to complete the film on a slim budget.

In my case, though, I have traveled widely, and it will take considerable funds 
to recreate these global scenes from my past, in addition to scouting SAG, for 
a child actor that resembles me, from those days.

Perhaps we can work out a 90/10 split??

Regards,
Doc  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"  wrote:
>
> Who is Sri Bhagavan - A Meditation on Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi and His 
> Teachings.
> 
> A wonderful film is being made about Ramana Maharshi and the inner experience 
> of visiting Ramanasramam and Arunachala. You can learn about this at the site 
> below. Help is being asked to complete this film. 
> 
> http://richardarunachala.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/who-is-sri-bhagavan/
> 
> Thanks,
> Richard
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: WHO BUILT THE GIZA PYRAMIDS? HOW? WHY? by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D. (Anthropology, U

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Goddess Ninmah"  wrote:
>
> WHO BUILT THE GIZA PYRAMIDS?  HOW? WHY?
> by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D. (Anthropology, UCLA)
>
> The mystery deepens; click the link below
>
>
http://extraterrestrialcontact.com/2013/06/01/who-built-the-great-pyrami\
d-at-giza-how-why/


  [Building the Giza pyramid in an exoskeleton] 

Tsoukalos suggests Thoth's builders may have worn exoskeletons like
our supersoldiers use for great strenth [Ancient Aliens, Season 3, Title
6, Chapter 18, 2:08:41]
Sometimes, were I to believe in gods, I would thank them for reminding
me that there are places in the universe where the TM belief system
seems almost normal.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I didn't read the article but will guess that the most well known line spoken 
> by Blanche Dubois is the one being referred to here:  I have always depended 
> on the kindness of strangers.

Share,

That line is the most important point that is being referred to in this 
article.  IMO, it doesn't look too good for the Europeans.

JR


> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:55 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?
>  
> 
>   
> Richard,
> 
> That's a complicated article you presented us.  I hope Europe doesn't get a 
> nervous breakdown over its money problems.  Oh, Blanche DuBois is a fictional 
> character in Tennessee Williams' play, "A Streetcar Named Desire".
> 
> JR
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > "Bank runs in Europe? The EU made them a little bit 
> > more likely this weekend, and as Cypriots stampede 
> > for the shrinking number of ATMs still handing out 
> > cash on the island, Italians, Greeks and Spaniards 
> > are also beginning to wonder if, with interest rates 
> > effectively at zero and confused politicians running 
> > Europe's bank systems, the mattress might just be 
> > the safest place for their money after all."
> > 
> > 'Europe Puts Its Faith in Blanche DuBois'
> > http://tinyurl.com/blfdzg9
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?

[Share Long]

I didn't read the article but will guess that the most well known line spoken 
by Blanche Dubois is the one being referred to here:  I have always depended on 
the kindness of strangers.





 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?
 

  
Richard,

That's a complicated article you presented us.  I hope Europe doesn't get a 
nervous breakdown over its money problems.  Oh, Blanche DuBois is a fictional 
character in Tennessee Williams' play, "A Streetcar Named Desire".

JR

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> "Bank runs in Europe? The EU made them a little bit 
> more likely this weekend, and as Cypriots stampede 
> for the shrinking number of ATMs still handing out 
> cash on the island, Italians, Greeks and Spaniards 
> are also beginning to wonder if, with interest rates 
> effectively at zero and confused politicians running 
> Europe's bank systems, the mattress might just be 
> the safest place for their money after all."
> 
> 'Europe Puts Its Faith in Blanche DuBois'
> http://tinyurl.com/blfdzg9
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who is Blanche DuBois?

[John]

Richard,

That's a complicated article you presented us.  I hope Europe doesn't get a 
nervous breakdown over its money problems.  Oh, Blanche DuBois is a fictional 
character in Tennessee Williams' play, "A Streetcar Named Desire".

JR


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> "Bank runs in Europe? The EU made them a little bit 
> more likely this weekend, and as Cypriots stampede 
> for the shrinking number of ATMs still handing out 
> cash on the island, Italians, Greeks and Spaniards 
> are also beginning to wonder if, with interest rates 
> effectively at zero and confused politicians running 
> Europe's bank systems, the mattress might just be 
> the safest place for their money after all."
> 
> 'Europe Puts Its Faith in Blanche DuBois'
> http://tinyurl.com/blfdzg9
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who cares about the Oscars? (The Master)

[Bhairitu]

On 02/24/2013 10:19 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> Believe it or not being a film buff I really don't care
>> about awards shows so won't bother with the Oscars and
>> haven't in a long time. Actually the favored best picture,
>> "Argo", I have seen. It was probably one of the last
>> movies I've gone out to see.
> Looks from the headlines as if it won. I don't watch
> the show, either, especially in real time from over
> here in Europe. The most I do is look for YouTube
> clips of the embarrassing speeches. :-)
>
>> BTW, some of the movies nominated will be available this
>> coming month to rent. This week I see "The Master" is
>> available for rent.
> Do tell us what you think of it. I was surprised at
> my reaction to it, finding it nigh unto unwatchable.
> Sure, Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman were
> good in their roles, but the characters they played
> were so thoroughly low-vibe and horrific that I found
> it almost impossible to watch them. Amy Adams was
> tremendous, however, turning a nothing part into an
> Oscar nomination.

I watched "The Master" last night and enjoyed it.  The BD has some 
extras including deleted scenes, one of which gives a back story on what 
got Dodd started on his cult leader trip.  The film is really about PTSD 
and what veterans returning home from WWII with it encountered.  I'm 
sure you saw that as a kid and as did I.  My parents referred to them as 
"shell shocked" since the PTSD term had yet to be invented.  As a child 
it made me anti-war.

What I wasn't expecting were familiar scenes more of which were in the 
extras.  They filmed a lot around here including Oakland which was used 
as a stand-in for New York.  But nowadays they seem to be shooting more 
movies around here as often you hear about the Bay Bridge or Golden Gate 
traffic being managed for a film shoot.  I don't know what they filmed 
in Crockett which is just down the road a ways.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who cares about the Oscars?

[Bhairitu]

The Oscars are the celebration of the self-appointed Emperors of 
Entertainment.  They are pompous.  Just listen to the big corny 
symphonic music they write especially for the show.  All to please the 
overly wealthy studio execs not the public.  The speeches remind me of 
high school valedictorian speeches and probably the givers should be 
brought to the state with the orchestra playing "Pomp and Circumstance".

If anything we have indeed entered the "Caligula" stage of the fall of 
the "Empire."

As for "Argo" I believe I reviewed it as being more worth a rental and 
not a movie ticket.  Locally the remaining art house is scheduled to go 
away.  It is a five auditorium theater some 8 miles from me whose 
centerpiece is one of the remaining dome auditoriums.  The story goes 
that Cinearts who owned the complex over 10 years ago built a 16 
auditorium theater across the freeway.  The head of Cinearts loved 
independent and foreign film so made the old complex an art house 
complex which he had also done in other locations.  He also disliked any 
more than two trailers to be shown before a film and no commercials.

The chain was sold to Texas based Cinemark who did want to upgrade the 
art house as it does good business especially with seniors in the area 
who prefer such films.  For a few years the shopping center sported an 
abandoned Wards store and eventually the northern half of the center was 
remodeled and a Kohl's moved in. But nothing happened to the southern 
half where the theater and a Bally fitness center was.  The reason was 
that there were two owners of the center.  The folks owning the northern 
half were in favor of improvements and went ahead where as the owner of 
the southern half wasn't.  Recently it was announced the art house would 
be torn down sparking some outrage and yet another sporting goods store 
going in.

These days art house films go direct to video.  This includes some films 
that see limited release to theaters.  You can find pre-theatrical 
releases on Vudu (now owned by Walmart), YouTube Movies and Amazon 
Instant Video.  You pay a premium for the pre-release but if you are a 
family it is a good deal.  As you might expect the old guard doesn't 
quite embrace this practice but Internet pioneer Mark Cuban does and his 
company Magnolia Films releases this way.  So does Lionsgate and 
occasionally Sony Pictures.

"Argo" and "Zero Dark Thirty" release on rental DVDs and BD on the 19th.

On 02/25/2013 12:12 AM, seekliberation wrote:
> I never cared about the Oscars either.  It always looked to me like a bunch 
> of rich people patting themselves on the back for how awesome they are.  
> Maybe i'm just looking at it in a negative way?  I just never cared for 
> watching festivities among the narcissist hollywood crowd.
>
> seekliberation
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> Believe it or not being a film buff I really don't care about awards
>> shows so won't bother with the Oscars and haven't in a long time.
>> Actually the favored best picture, "Argo", I have seen.  It was probably
>> one of the last movies I've gone out to see.  BTW, some of the movies
>> nominated will be available this coming month to rent. This week I see
>> "The Master" is available for rent.
>>
>> Hollywood doesn't care much about art anymore just money.  And they
>> aren't even good at the latter these days.
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who cares about the Oscars?

[seekliberation]

I never cared about the Oscars either.  It always looked to me like a bunch of 
rich people patting themselves on the back for how awesome they are.  Maybe i'm 
just looking at it in a negative way?  I just never cared for watching 
festivities among the narcissist hollywood crowd.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Believe it or not being a film buff I really don't care about awards 
> shows so won't bother with the Oscars and haven't in a long time. 
> Actually the favored best picture, "Argo", I have seen.  It was probably 
> one of the last movies I've gone out to see.  BTW, some of the movies 
> nominated will be available this coming month to rent. This week I see 
> "The Master" is available for rent.
> 
> Hollywood doesn't care much about art anymore just money.  And they 
> aren't even good at the latter these days.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who cares about the Oscars?

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Believe it or not being a film buff I really don't care 
> about awards shows so won't bother with the Oscars and 
> haven't in a long time. Actually the favored best picture, 
> "Argo", I have seen. It was probably one of the last 
> movies I've gone out to see.  

Looks from the headlines as if it won. I don't watch
the show, either, especially in real time from over
here in Europe. The most I do is look for YouTube
clips of the embarrassing speeches. :-)

> BTW, some of the movies nominated will be available this 
> coming month to rent. This week I see "The Master" is 
> available for rent.

Do tell us what you think of it. I was surprised at
my reaction to it, finding it nigh unto unwatchable.
Sure, Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman were
good in their roles, but the characters they played
were so thoroughly low-vibe and horrific that I found
it almost impossible to watch them. Amy Adams was
tremendous, however, turning a nothing part into an
Oscar nomination.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[Share Long]

Yes, RDC gives rise to 3 gunas which give rise to 3 doshas.  We learned that 
during MA in SCI 20 years ago (-:





 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of 
Bethlehem?
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Hi John, when I see three I generally think of the 3 gunas or the three 
> doshas, vata, pitta, kapha.  But I'm just speculating.  It's a fun question 
> and I bet a google search would find some interesting stuff on it.
> 
Share,

Interesting points.  Since we're now talking about the head portion of the 
body, we could be addressing the Atma or the Soul, the Unified Field.  As such, 
the Samhita of the Rishi, Devata, and Chandas comes into mind.

JR

> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:47 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star 
> of Bethlehem?
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> 
> In some versions of the Bible, they were actually astrologers who came from 
> the east, one of them coming from as far ae India or China.  Some authors 
> believe that the star these kings were following was actually a supernova 
> that occurred at that time.
> 
> However, some western astrologers believe that the star involved was actually 
> the hexagonal formation of stars that typically appear above the skies on 
> December 24 at midnight that can be seen in that town.
> 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi
> 
> According to Swami  Yogananda  the star in the 'east' was symbolic of the 
> 'third eye' between the two eyebrows in the forehead.
> 
> If that's the case, what would the three gifts of gold, frankencense and 
> myrrh signify?
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Hi John, when I see three I generally think of the 3 gunas or the three 
> > doshas, vata, pitta, kapha.  But I'm just speculating.  It's a fun 
> > question and I bet a google search would find some interesting stuff on it.
> > 
> Share,
> 
> Interesting points.  Since we're now talking about the head portion of the 
> body, we could be addressing the Atma or the Soul, the Unified Field.  As 
> such, the Samhita of the Rishi, Devata, and Chandas comes into mind.
> 
> JR
> 
> 
>  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: John 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:47 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star 
> > of Bethlehem?
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > 
> > In some versions of the Bible, they were actually astrologers who came from 
> > the east, one of them coming from as far ae India or China.  Some authors 
> > believe that the star these kings were following was actually a supernova 
> > that occurred at that time.
> > 
> > However, some western astrologers believe that the star involved was 
> > actually the hexagonal formation of stars that typically appear above the 
> > skies on December 24 at midnight that can be seen in that town.
> > 
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi
> > 
> > According to Swami  Yogananda  the star in the 'east' was symbolic of the 
> > 'third eye' between the two eyebrows in the forehead.
> > 
> > If that's the case, what would the three gifts of gold, frankencense and 
> > myrrh signify?


Probably just gifts, sometimes allegory can be taken too far. We must remember 
that the bible was edited be many editors who certainly didn't  want to 
infuriate the king, yep, political correctness even in those days.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[seventhray27]

It wouldn't come up after repeated trys.  Finally it did.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > I know, but I can't access the post count.
>
> Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?
>
> The post count is just another post like any other post. If you can
read the traffic on FFL, you can access the post count.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I also get that 'group is temporarily unavailable' thing when I
> click the post count post. What I then do is hit the back button,
> then try again. It always works the second time.

Additionally, there is also the off-site message archive:

http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/

To the left of the search box, click on "Date" to list posts chronologically, 
and then scroll down or search to find "FFL PostCount". 
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I know, but I can't access the post count.
> > 
> > Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis? 
> > 
> > The post count is just another post like any other post. If you can read 
> > the traffic on FFL, you can access the post count.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Hi John, when I see three I generally think of the 3 gunas or the three 
> doshas, vata, pitta, kapha.  But I'm just speculating.  It's a fun question 
> and I bet a google search would find some interesting stuff on it.
> 
Share,

Interesting points.  Since we're now talking about the head portion of the 
body, we could be addressing the Atma or the Soul, the Unified Field.  As such, 
the Samhita of the Rishi, Devata, and Chandas comes into mind.

JR


 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:47 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star 
> of Bethlehem?
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> 
> In some versions of the Bible, they were actually astrologers who came from 
> the east, one of them coming from as far ae India or China.  Some authors 
> believe that the star these kings were following was actually a supernova 
> that occurred at that time.
> 
> However, some western astrologers believe that the star involved was actually 
> the hexagonal formation of stars that typically appear above the skies on 
> December 24 at midnight that can be seen in that town.
> 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi
> 
> According to Swami  Yogananda  the star in the 'east' was symbolic of the 
> 'third eye' between the two eyebrows in the forehead.
> 
> If that's the case, what would the three gifts of gold, frankencense and 
> myrrh signify?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[doctordumbass]

I also get that 'group is temporarily unavailable' thing when I click the post 
count post. What I then do is hit the back button, then try again. It always 
works the second time.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I know, but I can't access the post count.
> 
> Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis? 
> 
> The post count is just another post like any other post. If you can read the 
> traffic on FFL, you can access the post count.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> I know, but I can't access the post count.

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis? 

The post count is just another post like any other post. If you can read the 
traffic on FFL, you can access the post count.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[Share Long]

Hi John, when I see three I generally think of the 3 gunas or the three doshas, 
vata, pitta, kapha.  But I'm just speculating.  It's a fun question and I bet a 
google search would find some interesting stuff on it.





 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of 
Bethlehem?
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:

In some versions of the Bible, they were actually astrologers who came from the 
east, one of them coming from as far ae India or China.  Some authors believe 
that the star these kings were following was actually a supernova that occurred 
at that time.

However, some western astrologers believe that the star involved was actually 
the hexagonal formation of stars that typically appear above the skies on 
December 24 at midnight that can be seen in that town.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi

According to Swami  Yogananda  the star in the 'east' was symbolic of the 
'third eye' between the two eyebrows in the forehead.

If that's the case, what would the three gifts of gold, frankencense and myrrh 
signify?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> } 
> } } --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> } }  
> } } Little known fact: it was actually three queens.
> } }  
> } } http://youtu.be/AcrqiEIB--o
> } 
> } This reminds of a Johnny Mathis show which is often 
> } aired around Christmas time here in San Francisco, CA. :)
> 
> The big question seems to be whether Mike Huckabee
> believes that it was Pussy Willow or Johnny Mathis
> who caused the Newtown, CT school shootings.
> 
> http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/huckabee_blames_gays_for_the_newtown_massacre
>

Or, was it a combo of a vegan diet

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/adam_lanza_was_a_vegan/

And psych meds

http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanza-taking-antipsychotic-fanapt-2012-12

Speculating speculators want to know!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who were the Three Kings Who Followed the Star of Bethlehem?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
>
> In some versions of the Bible, they were actually astrologers who came
from the east, one of them coming from as far ae India or China. Some
authors believe that the star these kings were following was actually a
supernova that occurred at that time.
>
> However, some western astrologers believe that the star involved was
actually the hexagonal formation of stars that typically appear above
the skies on December 24 at midnight that can be seen in that town.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi



The "Star" is seen today since the last few years, often confused by
Jupiter as it is the strongest and most visible star. According to
Benjamin Creme it is 5 spaceships each the size of a football-field
connected together. Even with the naked eye you can sometimes see that
one of them is gone away from the other 4. Apparently they have to go
close to the sun from time to time to refuel. Hundreds of videos's of
the "Star" is at youtube. When the Star is seen on all continents all
the time it is the sign of the full sunshine of the Age of enlightenment
is established for the next 10,000 years.
Star sign
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