[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. Or: That we all think the caste system is indefensible is a given, no debate necessary. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Anybody here *not* agree that the caste system is an affront to humanity? If so, I'll be *delighted* to debate them on that point. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. See, TMers (particularly me), according to Barry, are not allowed to express a personal opinion on ANYTHING. If they do, they are ipso facto attempting to dictate to others whatever that opinion advocates. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Right, it actually may *be* racist or demeaning. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. No, Barry, sorry, but you're once again taking your own bilious paranoid fantasies for reality. Kudos to Shemp for being the only one to be able to stick to the subject... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? It's a good ole boys thing for some, I think. You're the uppity female, while Barry is, well, a guy... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian... Non sequitur. +++ Brown is a new race? Looks like a double non seequiter. N. Oh, please. You can't be *ignorant* of the racism against Indians, can you? +++ Right,- racism everywhere, however, Is hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian These few lines are a bit hard to follow. The funny butts and drug scene was after my time so maybe that or a little old timers syndrome is the problem. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? It's a good ole boys thing for some, I think. You're the uppity female, while Barry is, well, a guy... I've wondered that myself. But I think it's more likely they just don't want to get on his bad side, because they've seen what happens with you and me. Anyway, this time the one-sidedness got remedied. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. Who gives a shit, can't you JUST STOP SNIPING? This is the worst behavior from an adult I believe I have ever seen. It's about equal to to little kids who just can't stop no matter what. And once again you're yelling at me rather than Barry, when he chose to start sniping at me. Don't you guys get a little *embarrassed* after a while at how you inevitably pick on me instead of him? I mean, if you switched off, that would be one thing. But you don't seem to have the guts to *ever* chide Barry, even when he starts it (all his high-minded vows notwithstanding). Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? It's a good ole boys thing for some, I think. You're the uppity female, while Barry is, well, a guy... I just figured you both enjoy it, or get some satisfaction from it on some level. Like Dr. Phil of TV fame asks, 'what's the pay-off, what's in it for you?'-- So, what the hell, enjoy itIf you didn't, one or both would stop it To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
on 4/15/06 6:49 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? This idiotic feud will end whenever either of you decides not to participate in it any more. Apparently, neither of you is capable of this. If either of you were living fully in the present, you wouldn't harbor past grudges and the situation wouldn't continue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/15/06 6:49 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does he really intimidate you folks that badly? Are you so afraid of him jumping on you if all you do is chide us *equally*? This idiotic feud will end whenever either of you decides not to participate in it any more. Apparently, neither of you is capable of this. If either of you were living fully in the present, you wouldn't harbor past grudges and the situation wouldn't continue. It really amazes me that you, Rick, and so many other intelligent people on this forum can't see what's actually going on here right under your noses. No wonder Bush is president and the Republicans control Congress. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) Jack (Will and Grace) [gays are queens] Pheobe (Friends) [blondes -- and women -- are ditzy] Gracie (Burns and Allen) [Women -- are ditzy] Tony (Taxi) [Italians are big, lunks with limited brains] Ross (Friends) [Jews are intellectual geeks] Latka (Taxi) [foreigners are dumb] Early Rachel (Friends) [Jewish suburban girls are princesses] All (South Park)[skewers most every one] Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Seinfeld (Jerry) [Jews are clever but whiny] Eddie Murphy (48 Hours) [Blacks are uppity] Eddie Murphy (SNL Buckwheat) [Blacks are slow and dumb] All (Blazing Saddles) [So many demeaning characterizations -- where to start .. Blacks are lazy and shiftless, WASPS are bumbling and corrupt, back woods hillbillies are stupid ...] HotLips, Hawkeye... MASH [.] Ben Stiller (Meet the Fawkers,...) [Jews are .. , WASPs are , Women are ..., Men are ... ] Eddie Murphy, (Bowfinger) [Blacks... ] Steve Martin (The Jerk) [Blacks,Whites ...] I think the larger issue is that some people are AFRAID of the power of comedy to reveal truth. Look at the basic issue being *ignored* in these discussions (or the parts of them I see as a result of killfiles). The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. Kudos to Shemp for being the only one to be able to stick to the subject... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I think the larger issue is that some people are AFRAID of the power of comedy to reveal truth. Look at the basic issue being *ignored* in these discussions (or the parts of them I see as a result of killfiles). The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. Of course we are not bound to live our lives the way you think we ought to. That it was an effective satire is obvious. Case close. That some other points of interst were raised, andpursued, doesn't mean that everyone is quite as one dimensional as you appear in this post. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. haha, thats a TELLING confession. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, oh yes, hook line and sinker. Totally disgusting isn't. Too bad we can't stay one pointed to pursue the BIG hook you have been caught on for apparently 10 yeas: bash judy. and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. HAHAHA. Thank god they are not trying to tells us what is acceptable topics of discussions are. Like you. That would be totally sick and fucked-up. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. You really do appear to have merde for brains on this topic. There is a large class of humor which is sick and destructive. For example good ol' boy jokes about blacks, jews, women etc. Its quite one sided, not universal bashing depicting the human comedy -- a la John Stewart and South Park -- but rather class elitism, using humor to maintain racist and sexist stereotypes and rigid archaic class structures. The difference between the two are are clear on the outer edges, but less clear on the inner sides that appear to approach each other. Clarifying the distinctions is useful. Except for the eternal shit-for-brains, it appears. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 11:16 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Don't forget Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) White men can be all of the above, too. White womenk, too, I am sure.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 11:16 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Don't forget Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) White men can be all of the above, too. Or the classic example, Amos and Andy. The original actors on the radio show were white. When the show became so popular that it was ready to move to television, they did a talent search and found two black actors to play Amos and Andy on that show, which went on to gain one of the most loyal fan bases and some of the highest ratings in television history. Today, it's difficult if not impossible to find episodes of either the radio or the TV shows. They've become so politically incorrect that a huge piece of broadcast history is unavailable to the general public. And the reason is that some people set themselves up as knowing what is appropriate for the public to see and hear, and the public is so pussywhipped that they allow these petty tyrants to get away with it. As you can tell, I feel strongly about censorship, especially censorship of humor. In general, I think it is important to examine the motives of anyone, anywhere who claims that humor should be censored. Look into it, and 9 times out of 10 I think you'll find a person with an agenda, someone who considers himself *worthy* of deciding what's appropriate and what's not, and considers the general public *unworthy* of making those decisions for themselves. In other words, a tyrant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) snip I think the larger issue is that some people are AFRAID of the power of comedy to reveal truth. Look at the basic issue being *ignored* in these discussions (or the parts of them I see as a result of killfiles). Second time now Barry has broken his latest vow to ignore me. The basic issue is the caste system. The original article just DEVASTATED the concept of the caste system, rather effectively. So what happened? A few people tried (successfully) to DIVERT attention away from the real subject of the parody -- the caste system and its indefensible evils -- and get people to focus on whether the style of the humor was socially acceptable. Or: That we all think the caste system is indefensible is a given, no debate necessary. As far as I can tell, these attempts WORKED. In the posts that I can see, only Shemp kept trying to come back to the real subject -- the caste system and how much of an affront to humanity it is. Anybody here *not* agree that the caste system is an affront to humanity? If so, I'll be *delighted* to debate them on that point. Other folks got lured into the DIVERSION, and got lured into arguing with people who were (essentially) trying to dictate to them what is permissible as humor and what is not. See, TMers (particularly me), according to Barry, are not allowed to express a personal opinion on ANYTHING. If they do, they are ipso facto attempting to dictate to others whatever that opinion advocates. Lesson to be learned from all this: whenever someone reacts to a joke by trying to say that the humor in the joke is politically incorrect or racist or demeaning, LOOK CLOSER. Right, it actually may *be* racist or demeaning. Chances are that this is a tactic, a DISTRACTION, meant to divert attention from the thing that the joke made people laugh at, and see a new side of. No, Barry, sorry, but you're once again taking your own bilious paranoid fantasies for reality. Kudos to Shemp for being the only one to be able to stick to the subject... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 11:16 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Don't forget Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) White men can be all of the above, too. Carroll O'Conner once commented that he was scared by the number of people who watched the show because they AGREED with archie... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: First, I don't think a comedy that features a particular minority-type character with flaws can really be said to be attributing the flaws to the minority as a whole, especially if the character is a sympathetic one. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. And if it's a group being demeaned, but at the same time the members of the group featured in the comedy are also shown to have attractive characteristics, it also falls short of the kind of thing I think is offensive. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. While beliefs may permeate a culture for some time, but it does not define the race. Ammachi, who has represented Hinduism at the world parliament of religions, has spoken out against the caste system, saying it is not scripture, but was added to the scriptures later on by powerful men wanting to preserve power. IT may take a long time to dissolve, but the caste system belief will probably decline in influence as India continues to develop technologically. Were cartoons in 19th century Boston that poked fun at slavery racist against whites? or southern baptists?? Anyway, I'm glad those cartoons were published then and that the Onion is doing what it does now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. While beliefs may permeate a culture for some time, but it does not define the race. Ammachi, who has represented Hinduism at the world parliament of religions, has spoken out against the caste system, saying it is not scripture, but was added to the scriptures later on by powerful men wanting to preserve power. IT may take a long time to dissolve, but the caste system belief will probably decline in influence as India continues to develop technologically. Were cartoons in 19th century Boston that poked fun at slavery racist against whites? or southern baptists?? Anyway, I'm glad those cartoons were published then and that the Onion is doing what it does now. Hear, hear. That's my belief as well. The caste system is indefensible, a blight upon humanity. IMO satirizing a belief in it, using any means whatsoever, is not only legitimate but overdue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
On Apr 15, 2006, at 8:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > Don't forget Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) White men > can be all of the above, too. Or the classic example, Amos and Andy. The original actors on the radio show were white. When the show became so popular that it was ready to move to television, they did a talent search and found two black actors to play Amos and Andy on that show, which went on to gain one of the most loyal fan bases and some of the highest ratings in television history. Interesting, I didn't know that. Today, it's difficult if not impossible to find episodes of either the radio or the TV shows. They've become so politically incorrect that a huge piece of broadcast history is unavailable to the general public. And the reason is that some people set themselves up as knowing what is appropriate for the public to see and hear, and the public is so pussywhipped that they allow these petty tyrants to get away with it. Same thing with the 3 Stooges--much of their humor is pretty racist by today's standards, but was fine in the 50s. It should all be available as IMO it's one of the best ways for society to deal with it's racist past and finally move on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. That it's poking fun at belief in the caste system is obvious. My comment referred to the lines concerning the cooking fires in the cabin and cows wandering around loose. I had thought *that* would be obvious, but apparently not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: First, I don't think a comedy that features a particular minority-type character with flaws can really be said to be attributing the flaws to the minority as a whole, especially if the character is a sympathetic one. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. And if it's a group being demeaned, but at the same time the members of the group featured in the comedy are also shown to have attractive characteristics, it also falls short of the kind of thing I think is offensive. Some of the examples do this, some don't. As I said, I haven't seen all the shows. At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. OK. But now Iam getting confused on your point. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. As above, I thought you were saying that when a particular group is demeaned its inappropriate. I countered (over several posts) that while I agree that if the demeaining is limited to a particular group -- for example, good ol' boys in the south in the 50's, 60's with racial jokes, or the boys club in corp america in 70's-90's with women jokes, then thats a social stratifying power thing. But if the demeaning is broad-based its fair game. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. Not on purpose. I have tried to address your points as I understood them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: The Onion is poking fun at the belief in the caste system, not a race of people. While beliefs may permeate a culture for some time, but it does not define the race. Ammachi, who has represented Hinduism at the world parliament of religions, has spoken out against the caste system, saying it is not scripture, but was added to the scriptures later on by powerful men wanting to preserve power. IT may take a long time to dissolve, but the caste system belief will probably decline in influence as India continues to develop technologically. Were cartoons in 19th century Boston that poked fun at slavery racist against whites? or southern baptists?? Anyway, I'm glad those cartoons were published then and that the Onion is doing what it does now. Hear, hear. That's my belief as well. The caste system is indefensible, a blight upon humanity. IMO satirizing a belief in it, using any means whatsoever, is not only legitimate but overdue. Which is what I am saying, and I beleive everyone is saying. But because we don't discuss things the way you want them discussed, we are either (paraphrasing) slackers, retards, racists, or classelitists. Or all. Barry world is a strange place dude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. To the contrary, I said I couldn't recall The Onion ever having demeaned Jews as a group or blacks as a group or Muslims as a group. You said you thought you recalled pieces along those lines but couldn't come up with any and brought forth a list of sitcoms and movies instead. Then I said (above) written satirical pieces and sitcoms/ movies are in different categories--and then you cited South Park, which was a non sequitur as far as I can tell. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. OK. But now Iam getting confused on your point. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. As above, I thought you were saying that when a particular group is demeaned its inappropriate. I countered (over several posts) that while I agree that if the demeaining is limited to a particular group -- for example, good ol' boys in the south in the 50's, 60's with racial jokes, or the boys club in corp america in 70's-90's with women jokes, then thats a social stratifying power thing. But if the demeaning is broad-based its fair game. This is now so utterly confused and far from my original point that it's not worth trying to straighten out. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. Not on purpose. I have tried to address your points as I understood them. You didn't address any of them. And you came up with yet another straw man above. Finis. If you aren't going to debate in good faith, forget it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. Well South Park -- from what I have seen of it, pretty much demans everyone -- does not show a positive side when doing so -- and is hilarious. I don't watch South Park, but I don't have any argument with your thesis that if a comedy demeans *everybody*, it's not bigoted. But that is a different point than the one I was making. Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. I am pretty sure you did in last nights posts. But maybe I misread you. I don't have time to look for the quote Regardless, you are clarified your position. I To the contrary, I said I couldn't recall The Onion ever having demeaned Jews as a group or blacks as a group or Muslims as a group. You said you thought you recalled pieces along those lines but couldn't come up with any and brought forth a list of sitcoms and movies instead. Then I said (above) written satirical pieces and sitcoms/ movies are in different categories--and then you cited South Park, which was a non sequitur as far as I can tell. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I think its pretty clear (to me) that if you tried your hand at writing comedy, it would be political correct, inoffensive, and not funny. I don't think I ever claimed to be a comedy writer, actually. But if a good comedy writer attempted what I suggested, I suspect the result could very well be inoffensive but quite funny (maybe not politically correct--that's a whole 'nother can of worms). I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. My take on the two lines you found offensive in the piece are different from yours. Why you don't find the satire (I didn't say high satire) in the piece -- ridiculing stereotypes -- by making such extreme and silly, is a bit mystifying. Where exactly did I say I didn't find the satire in the piece? I said to the contrary several times. I laughed out loud at the burlap bag bit. OK. But now Iam getting confused on your point. I can't see where you actually addressed the points I made regarding those two lines and why they stuck out from the rest of the piece. As above, I thought you were saying that when a particular group is demeaned its inappropriate. I countered (over several posts) that while I agree that if the demeaining is limited to a particular group -- for example, good ol' boys in the south in the 50's, 60's with racial jokes, or the boys club in corp america in 70's-90's with women jokes, then thats a social stratifying power thing. But if the demeaning is broad-based its fair game. This is now so utterly confused and far from my original point that it's not worth trying to straighten out. There is confusion, it could be at many points of writing and understanding. But good. Lets drop it. Instead you set up a couple of straw men to knock down. Not on purpose. I have tried to address your points as I understood them. You didn't address any of them. And you came up with yet another straw man above. If you say so.It was not my intent. And I don't see it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. I am pretty sure you did in last nights posts. Nope, didn't. I never disagreed that equal-opportunity bashing was OK. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Well as I understood you, you made a distinction between a comedian or forum that pokes barbs at everyone (all agreed its ok) and when such becomes demeaning of a particular groups -- even its all groups (overtime). I was responding to the demeaing part of your arguemnt. No, I never said that, sorry. I am pretty sure you did in last nights posts. Nope, didn't. I never disagreed that equal-opportunity bashing was OK. Fine. But that is not the point I was saying I understood you to be making last night. Perhaps I misread you. So since we are in a huge web of miscommunication here, lets move on to other,perhaps more interesting topics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
OK I have a new rule on FFL. He/She who gets the last word on any thread is the ass hole. At the end of the year we have a golden ass hole award given to that person that got in the last word on any thread the most. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I have a new rule on FFL. He/She who gets the last word on any thread is the ass hole. At the end of the year we have a golden ass hole award given to that person that got in the last word on any thread the most. Why not start with the assumption that we are all ass holes to begin with, and then work the logic backwards so the least ass hole, however that is calculated, is rewarded? Quick, someone respond! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. LOL. A classic... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. But they are receiving strong competition from upstart TransLove Airlines -- Guaranteed to get ya THERE on time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. My one caste experience from India: I was there in '81 or '82 (can't remember which) for about 5 weeks, mostly spent in Kashmir but also Dehli and Agra (for one hot day seeing the greatly disappointing Taj Mahal which I expected to be more like Disneyland. Highly disappointed): In Dehli, I was going to a restaurant in a high-brow hotel and went by one of those motorized rickshaws...you know, the ones that look like they were made from metal drums fashioned over a motorcycle. Anyway, the driver wouldn't let me out right at the front door but at the end of the driveway. I asked him why and he motioned something to me which I didn't understand (couldn't speak English). So I demanded that he bring me right up to the front door and when he finally did the doorman berated him viciously. On questioning one of the more official-looking hotel employees once I got in I learned that his caste wasn't allowed near the hotel. As for the other part of the Onion story about lighting fires on the airplane, that isn't too far off the mark. Going home on the Pan Am 747 from Dehli airport, within one hour of being in the air, the bathrooms were full of shit all over the seats and floor. Why? Apparently, leaving Dehli are many first-time fliers and they have never used Western toilets so they get all confused in the little space and they crouch up on top of the hole and end up shitting every where. I held it in until Bahrain. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
In a message dated 4/14/06 11:50:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the other part of the Onion story about lighting fires on the airplane, that isn't too far off the mark. Going home on the Pan Am 747 from Dehli airport, within one hour of being in the air, the bathrooms were full of shit all over the seats and floor. Why? Apparently, leaving Dehli are many first-time fliers and they have never used Western toilets so they get all confused in the little space and they crouch up on top of the "hole" and end up shitting every where.I held it in until Bahrain. Probably a lot of people with the Dehli Belly also and couldn't control their bowls! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Um, did you see the byline, Judy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Um, did you see the byline, Judy? Yup, that's why it surprised me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Interesting approach. I didn't particularly mind the parts about caste, but the bit about cooking fires and cows on the plane struck me as unpleasantly and gratuitously derogatory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. And if a TMer suggests that not all humor has immunity, it's a self-importance thang, you see. (Note that Barry has already broken his vow to ignore me.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian... Non sequitur. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
Yeah, but the part about the burlap sack behind the plane is hilarious and sure captures the spirit of it all! Sal On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: I didn't particularly mind the parts about caste, but the bit about cooking fires and cows on the plane struck me as unpleasantly and gratuitously derogatory.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 10:05:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 42â¢15 MUMBAIâAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsâand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. But but But... where do the Hindu wannabes get to sit? They don't. They just buy tickets. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 10:05:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, markmeredith@ writes: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 42â¢15 MUMBAIâAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsâand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. But but But... where do the Hindu wannabes get to sit? They don't. They just buy tickets. And when the people at the gate tell them that their flight has been canceled because the pilots couldn't get visas, they believe it and don't even ask for their money back. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 10:05:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, markmeredith@ writes: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 42â¢15 MUMBAIâAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsâand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. But but But... where do the Hindu wannabes get to sit? They don't. They just buy tickets. And when the people at the gate tell them that their flight has been canceled because the pilots couldn't get visas, they believe it and don't even ask for their money back. Ya, that's the ..er.. ticket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? That's not funny. P.S. I see what you mean. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 4/14/06 12:08:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From The Onion April 12, 2006 | Issue 42•15 MUMBAI—Air India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. "More legroom, wider seats—and no need to associate with the manual laborers," a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. "Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this." Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the "Untouchable" Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack.Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? or even Judgemental! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/14/06 12:29:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Hindu a race?Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Some , especially in the South even black. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but the part about the burlap sack behind the plane is hilarious and sure captures the spirit of it all! The image was hilarious as a critique of the caste system, yes indeed. Funny image even without that context. Sal On Apr 14, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: I didn't particularly mind the parts about caste, but the bit about cooking fires and cows on the plane struck me as unpleasantly and gratuitously derogatory. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 10:05:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, markmeredith@ writes: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 42â¢15 MUMBAIâAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsâand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. But but But... where do the Hindu wannabes get to sit? They don't. They just buy tickets. LOL! Excellent! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 4/14/06 1:10:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when the people at the gate tell them that their flight has been canceled because the pilotscouldn't get visas, they believe it and don'teven ask for their money back. Plus they get their frequent flier miles taken away To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Um, did you see the byline, Judy? Yup, that's why it surprised me. It's supposed to be a SATIRE. Yes, Shemp, I'm aware of that, thanks. But The Onion doesn't usually do racist satire. And isn't the impression that you got was that it was satiring racism and discrimination? In the form of the discrimination system called the caste system It was satirizing discrimination, not racism. As I said in another post, it was the bits about the cows and the cooking fires that I found offensive; that wasn't caste-related, it was a gratuitous slam at Indians, suggesting that they were primitive and not terribly bright. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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This thread is interesting to witness, much like a visiting anthropologist from another more morally and spiritually evolved planet or dimension would experience. Comprehension skills or the very lack thereof, often due to misguided values willfully cultivated forever in search of either or both predatious impostor victimization flauntulosis tenaciously dependent upon perpetual condescensions from others, and/or the willful cultivation of ignorance to secure a nonaccountability for ones own actions or participation within cultivation or responsibility within a group, surfing the aires of social presumptuousness with delusional lofty condescions falsely presenting themselves as liberal. Ture liberality, ture liberalism is most certainly not condescending. I have as much as witnessed the wife of a world leader speak her first words with another person commenting on the beautiful sunset they are both witnessing, met with agreement by the other person with the remark yes, this is a magnificent planet, nothing more, after which she traipsed off to her husband to remark that this person she'd just spoken with was a communist, and that they should not be allowed to the christian wedding of their relative, preparation for which was why all these people were in the same place at this moment. This person she referred to as communist, who did nothing more than agree with her about the sunset,was not only well liked by most everyone else there but had facilitated many people over the years in getting their businesses off the ground, gave freely of their time to those less advantaged and was part of a program offered in high schools through the JayCees to help kids better understand how to conduct and start small businesses. Communist, eh. Purposefully ignorant, selectivelyappliedcannibalisticopportunistism inpsycho-social realms -- a burgeoning malignant carcinoma on the body of humanity attempting to camouflage itself by facilitating a presumption of ubiquity as a state of mind and/or social convention within society. We've come into this human form to transcend such beastiality, we must make the most of this exceedingly rare human birth, bereft of siuch primitively tribalistic factionalism with most every thought. Such is NOT dharma. Flourishingly,Dharma MitraOf all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. On 4/14/06, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurkshempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 42•15 MUMBAI—Air India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seats—and no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Um, did you see the byline, Judy? Yup, that's why it surprised me. It's supposed to be a SATIRE.Yes, Shemp, I'm aware of that, thanks.But The Onion doesn't usually do racist satire.And isn't the impression that you got was that it was satiring racism and discrimination?In the form of the discrimination system called the caste system It was satirizing discrimination, not racism.As I said in another post, it was the bits aboutthe cows and the cooking fires that I foundoffensive; that wasn't caste-related, it was agratuitous slam at Indians, suggesting that they were primitive and not terribly bright. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Um, did you see the byline, Judy? Yup, that's why it surprised me. It's supposed to be a SATIRE. Yes, Shemp, I'm aware of that, thanks. But The Onion doesn't usually do racist satire. And isn't the impression that you got was that it was satiring racism and discrimination? In the form of the discrimination system called the caste system It was satirizing discrimination, not racism. As I said in another post, it was the bits about the cows and the cooking fires that I found offensive; that wasn't caste-related, it was a gratuitous slam at Indians, suggesting that they were primitive and not terribly bright. Gratuitou slams are usually what satire consists of. Uh, no, to the contrary. And cooking fires and cows are caste related because I don't think upper class Indians deal with either. Big stretch, Shemp. As for it being discrimination and not racist I would suggest to you that the caste system IS a form of discrimination based upon race. race is not just skin color. Two elements are needed for racial discrimination: Another huge stretch. 1) a defining characteristic, such as skin color. But it could be a certificate, such as a membership in a tribe; and 2) that this defining characteristic is handed down from parent to child. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread is interesting to witness, much like a visiting anthropologist from another more morally and spiritually evolved planet or dimension would experience. We are so fortunate to have someone more morally and spiritually evolved visit our humble forum and deign to show us the error of our ways--and from our very *own* planet and dimension, no less! We are truly blessed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:11 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: As for it being discrimination and not racist I would suggest to you that the caste system IS a form of discrimination based upon race. It actually seems to be based more upon skin color, amongst other things, since all or most Indians are considered Caucasian, or so I thought. race is not just skin color. Two elements are needed for racial discrimination: 1) a defining characteristic, such as skin color. But it could be a certificate, such as a membership in a tribe; and 2) that this defining characteristic is handed down from parent to child.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? OR a million others. I found two books buried in boxes from my grandmother's house. My mother threw them out and I recovered them once but she threw them out again. Too bad. They're great as a study of how to use humor to keep a certain segment of population down. They were called Coloured Fun and More Coloured Fun and were written by the greatest toastmaster of Texas. Take any Pollak joke and change it to nigger (or vulcan or whatever) and you get the idea. My point, as I'm sure you've gotten, is that not all humor is humor for laughing but humor for attacking. THOSE jokes, I judge people by whether they find them funny or not, not the other way around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:11 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: As for it being discrimination and not racist I would suggest to you that the caste system IS a form of discrimination based upon race. It actually seems to be based more upon skin color, amongst other things, since all or most Indians are considered Caucasian, or so I thought. Good point. And that is why it WOULD fit in more with the classical definition of discrimination based upon race. race is not just skin color. Two elements are needed for racial discrimination: 1) a defining characteristic, such as skin color. But it could be a certificate, such as a membership in a tribe; and 2) that this defining characteristic is handed down from parent to child. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra dharmamitra2@ wrote: This thread is interesting to witness, much like a visiting anthropologist from another more morally and spiritually evolved planet or dimension would experience. We are so fortunate to have someone more morally and spiritually evolved visit our humble forum and deign to show us the error of our ways--and from our very *own* planet and dimension, no less! We are truly blessed. Indeed we are... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? She's both, is she not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. She is kroean so jokes about her kerean mother are hardly racist. They are jokes about the differences in social groups -- old skewl, old country culture, and americanized younger generations. She is self-proclaimed queen of the faghags so her jokes are self-effacing. She makes fun of gays also, but she could hardly be called a homophobe. Same with Grace on Will and Grace. Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? She's both, is she not? Ah, misread that. It's doubtful that she's a fag hag. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Your point was? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. She is kroean so jokes about her kerean mother are hardly racist. They are jokes about the differences in social groups -- old skewl, old country culture, and americanized younger generations. She is self-proclaimed queen of the faghags so her jokes are self-effacing. She makes fun of gays also, but she could hardly be called a homophobe. Same with Grace on Will and Grace. Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. Well, it ties to your larger point if these comedians and forums make fun of blacks/Jews/Muslims etc. as a group in the same way, i.e., to demean them. Demean is probably the key word here--as is my qualification about folks who are born into the group or who grew up with a particular behavior characteristic of the group. Behavioral *choices*, especially those made in adulthood, are another matter entirely. As I said, they're fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. Yes, I understand the point you're making. However, I'd be really, really surprised if any of these people or shows have ever made jokes that demeaned blacks for being lazy, or Jews for being stingy, say, *unless* it was in the context of making fun of the folks who say such things seriously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian... Non sequitur. +++ Brown is a new race? Looks like a double non seequiter. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Usually that's why women hang out with gay men, but not to chase them. They do it because of the absence of sexual tension; they can enjoy the company of the opposite sex without having to be constantly on guard against being hit on. I went through a period of fag haggery myself when I was a lot younger and not really sure of myself around heterosexual men. (Some of the friends I made then are still among my very closest, so I'm really glad I had the opportunity.) Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? I don't think chasing is really it, Lawson. I'm not even sure that's what fag hag refers to at all. In the sense I defined it above, making fun of a fag hag could be done on the basis that homosexuals are somehow inferior people (sort of like nigger lover). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian... Non sequitur. +++ Brown is a new race? Looks like a double non seequiter. N. Oh, please. You can't be *ignorant* of the racism against Indians, can you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Usually that's why women hang out with gay men, but not to chase them. They do it because of the absence of sexual tension; they can enjoy the company of the opposite sex without having to be constantly on guard against being hit on. I went through a period of fag haggery myself when I was a lot younger and not really sure of myself around heterosexual men. (Some of the friends I made then are still among my very closest, so I'm really glad I had the opportunity.) Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? I don't think chasing is really it, Lawson. I'm not even sure that's what fag hag refers to at all. In the sense I defined it above, making fun of a fag hag could be done on the basis that homosexuals are somehow inferior people (sort of like nigger lover). The only people I've heard referring to fag hags are gay men. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Usually that's why women hang out with gay men, but not to chase them. They do it because of the absence of sexual tension; they can enjoy the company of the opposite sex without having to be constantly on guard against being hit on. I went through a period of fag haggery myself when I was a lot younger and not really sure of myself around heterosexual men. (Some of the friends I made then are still among my very closest, so I'm really glad I had the opportunity.) Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? I don't think chasing is really it, Lawson. I'm not even sure that's what fag hag refers to at all. In the sense I defined it above, making fun of a fag hag could be done on the basis that homosexuals are somehow inferior people (sort of like nigger lover). The only people I've heard referring to fag hags are gay men. I can't account for why that would be the case. I've heard it from all kindsa people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Usually that's why women hang out with gay men, but not to chase them. They do it because of the absence of sexual tension; they can enjoy the company of the opposite sex without having to be constantly on guard against being hit on. I went through a period of fag haggery myself when I was a lot younger and not really sure of myself around heterosexual men. (Some of the friends I made then are still among my very closest, so I'm really glad I had the opportunity.) Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? I don't think chasing is really it, Lawson. I'm not even sure that's what fag hag refers to at all. In the sense I defined it above, making fun of a fag hag could be done on the basis that homosexuals are somehow inferior people (sort of like nigger lover). The only people I've heard referring to fag hags are gay men. I can't account for why that would be the case. I've heard it from all kindsa people. Eh, I haven't heard the term for 25 years until recently. Useage changes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. Well, it ties to your larger point if these comedians and forums make fun of blacks/Jews/Muslims etc. as a group in the same way, i.e., to demean them. Demean is probably the key word here--as is my qualification about folks who are born into the group or who grew up with a particular behavior characteristic of the group. Behavioral *choices*, especially those made in adulthood, are another matter entirely. As I said, they're fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. Yes, I understand the point you're making. However, I'd be really, really surprised if any of these people or shows have ever made jokes that demeaned blacks for being lazy, or Jews for being stingy, say, *unless* it was in the context of making fun of the folks who say such things seriously. Ok. I see your point. I am not arguing, but exploring. Lets look at various comedy over the next month or so and see. Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) Jack (Will and Grace) [gays are queens] Pheobe (Friends) [blondes -- and women -- are ditzy] Gracie (Burns and Allen) [Women -- are ditzy] Tony (Taxi) [Italians are big, lunks with limited brains] Ross (Friends) [Jews are intellectual geeks] Latka (Taxi) [foreigners are dumb] Early Rachel (Friends) [Jewish suburban girls are princesses] All (South Park)[skewers most every one] Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Seinfeld (Jerry) [Jews are clever but whiny] Eddie Murphy (48 Hours) [Blacks are uppity] Eddie Murphy (SNL Buckwheat) [Blacks are slow and dumb] All (Blazing Saddles) [So many demeaning characterizations -- where to start .. Blacks are lazy and shiftless, WASPS are bumbling and corrupt, back woods hillbillies are stupid ...] HotLips, Hawkeye... MASH [.] Ben Stiller (Meet the Fawkers,...) [Jews are .. , WASPs are , Women are ..., Men are ... ] Eddie Murphy, (Bowfinger) [Blacks... ] Steve Martin (The Jerk) [Blacks,Whites ...] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. Well, it ties to your larger point if these comedians and forums make fun of blacks/Jews/Muslims etc. as a group in the same way, i.e., to demean them. Demean is probably the key word here--as is my qualification about folks who are born into the group or who grew up with a particular behavior characteristic of the group. Behavioral *choices*, especially those made in adulthood, are another matter entirely. As I said, they're fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. Yes, I understand the point you're making. However, I'd be really, really surprised if any of these people or shows have ever made jokes that demeaned blacks for being lazy, or Jews for being stingy, say, *unless* it was in the context of making fun of the folks who say such things seriously. Ok. I see your point. I am not arguing, but exploring. Lets look at various comedy over the next month or so and see. Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) OK, I'm at a disadvantage here because I haven't watched most of these shows (and I ain't gonna just for the sake of this discussion, either!). But a couple of observations. First, I don't think a comedy that features a particular minority-type character with flaws can really be said to be attributing the flaws to the minority as a whole, especially if the character is a sympathetic one. And if it's a group being demeaned, but at the same time the members of the group featured in the comedy are also shown to have attractive characteristics, it also falls short of the kind of thing I think is offensive. At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. Jack (Will and Grace) [gays are queens] Pheobe (Friends) [blondes -- and women -- are ditzy] Gracie (Burns and Allen) [Women -- are ditzy] Tony (Taxi) [Italians are big, lunks with limited brains] Ross (Friends) [Jews are intellectual geeks] Latka (Taxi) [foreigners are dumb] Early Rachel (Friends) [Jewish suburban girls are princesses] All (South Park)[skewers most every one] Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Seinfeld (Jerry) [Jews are clever but whiny] Eddie Murphy (48 Hours) [Blacks are uppity] Eddie Murphy (SNL Buckwheat) [Blacks are slow and dumb] All (Blazing Saddles) [So many demeaning characterizations -- where to start .. Blacks are lazy and shiftless, WASPS are bumbling and corrupt, back woods hillbillies are
