Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of pushing 
buttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually respond to by 
making fun of you.  What I find funny is your delusion that inventing an 
offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being) in order to push 
"true believer" buttons will somehow expose and perhaps liberate them from 
TMO/MMY delusions. You never seem to get is how people respond to you is about 
your offensive behavior, period.  Apart from the fact that IMO you are a 
narcissistic, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed 
mission to wake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT 
WORKING. You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in the 
past by projecting unresolved pain onto others.

Granted, implying the police ought to investigate you as a child abuser is a 
bridge too far. Let's just say you brought it on yourself and leave it at that.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of pushing 
buttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually respond to by 
making fun of you.  What I find funny is your delusion that inventing an 
offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being)  in order to push 
"true believer" buttons will somehow expose and perhaps liberate them their 
TMO/MMY delusions. What you never seem to get is that how people respond to you 
is about your offensive behavior, period.  Apart from the fact that IMO you are 
a narcissistic, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed 
mission to wake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT 
WORKING. You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in the 
past by projecting unresolved pain onto others.

Granted, implying the police ought to investigate you as a child abuser is a 
bridge too far. Let's just say you brought it on yourself and leave it at that.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:14 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...
   
    ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Nope.Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "truebelievers." 
They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vileimage of child abuse he 
invoked.

C: And you could be right on the cause of offense. It is what they did next 
that I condemn. Whatever your reaction to images being offered and read by 
choice here, the response shouldn't be accusations of despicable illegal acts 
aimed at the the writer. 

A person could just address how they feel about the image used without going 
that far to retaliate. To justify that kind of makes his original point.
Exactly. Thanks for noticing and commenting. Yes, my language was crude and the 
image cruder. So yes, some people could have been offended by that. It's what 
they DID with that "being offended" is what I refer to as cult behavior. 

If your first impulse is to either 1) "get" the person who said the thing 
that's pushed your buttons and gotten you all offended, in order to *hurt* them 
somehow, or 2) hurt the person who said it's *reputation*, to lower their 
credibility in the eyes of others, then you're acting like a cultist. 

Judy specialized in this behavior and sadly did it so often that she made it a 
"standard" here on FFL. The people who modeled their behavior on her (the "Mean 
Girls Club") did the same thing. My message all along has been that this 
behavior is straight out of the Cult Handbook and is something they learned 
subconsciously from being around the TMO for so many years. It is such a 
prevalent a part of the environment that no one notices they're doing it -- 
someone says something "negative" (meaning accurate and critical) about the TM 
movement, and they just launch into Cult Behavior Pattern #1 or #2. They're 
*just* like the $cientologists in this regard. 
 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

    As to Barry, his point has ALREADY been proven in the persons of people 
like Jerry Jarvis who were around Mahesh the Varmit enough to know of his 
enormities and deny them all. How could people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton, 
Connie Larson, Rob McCutchan and others see that Marshy was lying about being a 
life long celibate and others like Jarvis adamantly and utterly deny any of it 
ever happened?
For the record, Jerry was *exactly* who I had in mind as the example of a 
person who could have witnessed what I suggested and walked away still 
believing that Maharishi was a "life celibate." Jerry, as nice as he could be 
sometimes, was the ultimate "see no evil" monkey of the trio. 

People on this FFL forum have stated things like "Well, even if he did have 
sex, that just makes him more human in my eyes." rather than using their minds 
and common sense and say "That little liar! Wonder what else he lied about?" 

Barry is right - a true believer will find any number of ways to wiggle out of 
looking straight at the facts about cherished beliefs and the people they look 
up to. 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, thank you, I like to help people. I think the trick is to have 
cognitive dissonance about cognitive dissonance and then the whole thing sort 
of collapses on itself (-: 

  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...
   
 On 11/29/2014 3:42 PM, Share Long wrote:
 >
  
     Richard, it's probably good not to take it personally. ESPECIALLY when 
they mean it personally.   
 >
 Share, I don't take it personally - it's the cognitive dissonance that 
concerns me. Every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be 
self-contradictory. I just don't understand why Barry can't understand this 
anymore  - he is the one who alerted me to it! 
 
 "So when you see something that violates all the "rules" you have established 
in your mind for How Things Work, your mind freaks out for a little while.  It 
goes into a 3 to 4 day period of profound cognitive dissonance." - Unc 7/25/03
 >
 
 PS If I've ever said anything negative about you, hope you'll forgive me. 
  
 >
 You are one of the few respondents on this forum that has helped me with my 
own cognitive dissonance.
 >
  
  
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 2:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...
   
      
 
   On 11/29/2014 12:47 PM, raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    Raunchy, I agree that Barry is a degenerate filth and a 
 rotten piece of shit.
 
 But, he cleverly worded his statement in such a way that  it 
 would seem to general readers, that true blue believers 
 would condone such an act (whether by maharishi or  anyone 
 else).
 
 In other words, he seems to be implying that true  believers 
 are perverts or fools, as they would condone such an  act. I 
 think this provoked Jim and Ann.
 
 Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were  offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings  repulsed by the vile image of 
child abuse he invoked.
   
  >
 What Barry posted was probably intentionally nuanced, but I've got to say it 
was a very strange metaphor to use on a public forum discussing spiritual 
paths,  considering how almost anything can be taken out of context and used 
against him. 
 
 But, I've come to expect that from Barry - not for nothing did he  call 
himself the "Uncle Tantra" for a decade or more. It was almost like he was so 
engrossed in  winning a religious argument that he lost all sense of propriety 
and common sense. 
 
 I can't take sides in this since, as far as I'm concerned, almost  everyone on 
this fourm has said something derogatory about me, but I'm not going to call 
the cops on  anyone. I'll let others be the informants and I'll just continue 
to post information, or I won't.  
 > 
  
   
 

 

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/29/2014 3:42 PM, Share Long wrote:
>
Richard, it's probably good not to take it personally. ESPECIALLY when 
they mean it personally.

>
Share, I don't take it personally - it's the cognitive dissonance that 
concerns me. Every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to 
be self-contradictory. I just don't understand why Barry can't 
understand this anymore  - he is the one who alerted me to it!


/"So when you see something that violates all the "rules" you have 
established in your mind for How Things Work, your mind freaks out for a 
little while.  It goes into a 3 to 4 day period of profound cognitive 
dissonance."/ - Unc 7/25/03

>

PS If I've ever said anything negative about you, hope you'll forgive me.

>
/You are one of the few respondents on this forum that has helped me 
with my own cognitive dissonance.

>
/



*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 2:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...



On 11/29/2014 12:47 PM, raunchy...@yahoo.com 
<mailto:raunchy...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Raunchy, I agree that Barry is a degenerate filth and a
rotten piece of shit.

But, he cleverly worded his statement in such a way that it
would seem to general readers, that true blue believers
would condone such an act (whether by maharishi or anyone
else).

In other words, he seems to be implying that true believers
are perverts or fools, as they would condone such an act. I
think this provoked Jim and Ann.

Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vile 
image of child abuse he invoked.

>
/What Barry posted was probably intentionally nuanced, but I've got to 
say it was a very strange metaphor to use on a public forum discussing 
spiritual paths, considering how almost anything can be taken out of 
context and used against him.


But, I've come to expect that from Barry - not for nothing did he call 
himself the "Uncle Tantra" for a decade or more. It was almost like he 
was so engrossed in winning a religious argument that he lost all 
sense of propriety and common sense.


I can't take sides in this since, as far as I'm concerned, almost 
everyone on this fourm has said something derogatory about me, but I'm 
not going to call the cops on anyone. I'll let others be the 
informants and I'll just continue to post information, or I won't. /

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/29/2014 2:53 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
The Movement is a bullshit organization that defrauds people of their 
money and ruins their lives in many case. They wanna come after me, 
let 'em come on. Their master Mahesh Prasad the Varmit was a liar, 
cheat, con artist and fraud. Let 'em come on.

>
/This information should be reported to the Interpol and to The Hague in 
the Netherlands! If true, this is just outrageous!


Are you saying that our esteemed colleagues, Barry, Curtis, Edg and 
Salya, sold us snake oil for money and were liars, cheats, con artists 
and frauds and that they ruined lives? Or, are you saying they were as 
dumb as you were?


Why can't you just admit that you failed to be able to sit still for 
twenty minutes? You don't have to throw your friends under the bus just 
because you sucked as a part-time dish-washer at a school up in Iowa!/ 
/Go figure./

>


As to Barry, his point has ALREADY been proven in the persons of 
people like Jerry Jarvis who were around Mahesh the Varmit enough to 
know of his enormities and deny them all. How could people like Mark 
Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson, Rob McCutchan and others see 
that Marshy was lying about being a life long celibate and others like 
Jarvis adamantly and utterly deny any of it ever happened?


People on this FFL forum have stated things like "Well, even if he did 
have sex, that just makes him more human in my eyes." rather than 
using their minds and common sense and say "That little liar! Wonder 
what else he lied about?"


Barry is right - a true believer will find any number of ways to 
wiggle out of looking straight at the facts about cherished beliefs 
and the people they look up to.


I like Rick for a number of reasons but even Rick has said things like 
Marshy's words, what he professed and what he actually did were 
different and Rick calls things like that a paradox.


The difference between what Marshy said and what he did is not a 
paradox in any way shape or form, it is a contradiction, and an 
assault on decent human values. Marshy lied, he committed fraud on a 
grand scale and what is worse, he damaged a lot of lives in the 
process, with apparently no remorse whatsoever.


Marshy's teaching including his interpretation of the experience of 
meditation was based on his definition of enlightenment. He gave that 
definition in terms the people with a Judeo-Christian background could 
understand then he turned around and violated his teaching. This is 
not spiritual rocket science, it is spirituality 101 - calling what 
Marshy did on all levels a paradox is sidestepping the responsibility 
to deal with the truth.


The fact that some people like TM and feel they got something out of 
it and something out of their connection to Marshy no more negates or 
makes his other behaviors a paradox than if you are married to someone 
you love and they cheat on you. They may be lovable but they also 
violated their connection to you and their agreements with you.


If you are in business with someone you love and respect and they take 
off with the company funds, its not a paradox, they committed a crime 
against you and everyone connected to the company - calling it a 
paradox is ignoring the truth.


So let the lying jackasses who run the Movement come after me for 
saying these things - we'll see how they hold up in court, I would 
love nothing better than to have Hagelin and Morriss squirming in the 
court in front of a judge and jury.



*From:* "jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:56 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...



Dude, you are acting exactly like danfriedman2002 here.

You make a stupid, dumbshit statement on a forum which you
are well aware, that it has abnormal members.  Your
statement also indirectly suggested that they would condone
or overlook such a perversion.

You case is a little shaky. What will you do if TMO slaps a
lawsuit on you for libeling MMY and the believers?


---  wrote :

*Nablus, I suggest that you drop this, because YOUR name, email 
address, and posting history here on the Fairfield Life group are now 
in the possession of the Dutch police. I tried to warn you earlier 
that this country takes a very hard line with people who attempt to 
harm others' reputations through malicious slander and cyberstalking, 
but obviously you weren't listening. You should listen now, because if 
you persist I will have no choice but to file formal criminal charges 
against you.



*
*From:* nablusoss1008 
*Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...

Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the 
balls to booth the "butt-fucking-babies" member.  Meanwhile we'll se 
wha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, it's probably good not to take it personally. ESPECIALLY when they 
mean it personally.PS If I've ever said anything negative about you, hope 
you'll forgive me. 

  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 2:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...
   
 

On 11/29/2014 12:47 PM, raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
    Raunchy, I agree that Barry is a degenerate filth and a 
 rotten piece of shit.
 
 But, he cleverly worded his statement in such a way that it 
 would seem to general readers, that true blue believers 
 would condone such an act (whether by maharishi or anyone 
 else).
 
 In other words, he seems to be implying that true believers 
 are perverts or fools, as they would condone such an act. I 
 think this provoked Jim and Ann.
 
 Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vile image of 
child abuse he invoked.
   
 >
 What Barry posted was probably intentionally nuanced, but I've got to say it 
was a very strange metaphor to use on a public forum discussing spiritual 
paths, considering how almost anything can be taken out of context and used 
against him. 
 
 But,I've come to expect that from Barry - not for nothing did he call himself 
the "Uncle Tantra" for a decade or more. It was almost like he was so engrossed 
in winning a religious argument that he lost all sense of propriety and common 
sense. 
 
 I can't take sides in this since, as far as I'm concerned, almost everyone on 
this fourm has said something derogatory about me, but I'm not going to call 
the cops on anyone. I'll let others be the informants and I'll just continue to 
post information, or I won't.  
 > 
  
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The Movement is a bullshit organization that defrauds people of their money and 
ruins their lives in many case. They wanna come after me, let 'em come on. 
Their master Mahesh Prasad the Varmit was a liar, cheat, con artist and fraud. 
Let 'em come on.
As to Barry, his point has ALREADY been proven in the persons of people like 
Jerry Jarvis who were around Mahesh the Varmit enough to know of his enormities 
and deny them all. How could people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie 
Larson, Rob McCutchan and others see that Marshy was lying about being a life 
long celibate and others like Jarvis adamantly and utterly deny any of it ever 
happened?
People on this FFL forum have stated things like "Well, even if he did have 
sex, that just makes him more human in my eyes." rather than using their minds 
and common sense and say "That little liar! Wonder what else he lied about?" 

Barry is right - a true believer will find any number of ways to wiggle out of 
looking straight at the facts about cherished beliefs and the people they look 
up to. 
I like Rick for a number of reasons but even Rick has said things like Marshy's 
words, what he professed and what he actually did were different and Rick calls 
things like that a paradox. 

The difference between what Marshy said and what he did is not a paradox in any 
way shape or form, it is a contradiction, and an assault on decent human 
values. Marshy lied, he committed fraud on a grand scale and what is worse, he 
damaged a lot of lives in the process, with apparently no remorse whatsoever.
Marshy's teaching including his interpretation of the experience of meditation 
was based on his definition of enlightenment. He gave that definition in terms 
the people with a Judeo-Christian background could understand then he turned 
around and violated his teaching. This is not spiritual rocket science, it is 
spirituality 101 - calling what Marshy did on all levels a paradox is 
sidestepping the responsibility to deal with the truth. 

The fact that some people like TM and feel they got something out of it and 
something out of their connection to Marshy no more negates or makes his other 
behaviors a paradox than if you are married to someone you love and they cheat 
on you. They may be lovable but they also violated their connection to you and 
their agreements with you. 

If you are in business with someone you love and respect and they take off with 
the company funds, its not a paradox, they committed a crime against you and 
everyone connected to the company - calling it a paradox is ignoring the truth. 

So let the lying jackasses who run the Movement come after me for saying these 
things - we'll see how they hold up in court, I would love nothing better than 
to have Hagelin and Morriss squirming in the court in front of a judge and 
jury. 

  From: "jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:56 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...
   
    

Dude, you are acting exactly like danfriedman2002 here.

You make a stupid, dumbshit statement on a forum which you 
are well aware, that it has abnormal members.  Your 
statement also indirectly suggested that they would condone 
or overlook such a perversion.

You case is a little shaky. What will you do if TMO slaps a 
lawsuit on you for libeling MMY and the believers?


---  wrote :

Nablus, I suggest that you drop this, because YOUR name, email address, and 
posting history here on the Fairfield Life group are now in the possession of 
the Dutch police. I tried to warn you earlier that this country takes a very 
hard line with people who attempt to harm others' reputations through malicious 
slander and cyberstalking, but obviously you weren't listening. You should 
listen now, because if you persist I will have no choice but to file formal 
criminal charges against you.  


From: nablusoss1008 
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
 
 Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the balls to 
booth the "butt-fucking-babies" member.  Meanwhile we'll se what the Leiden 
Police choose to do as searching his computers for child porn is too late, he 
had all Thursday night to get rid of everything. Have the child he is "looking 
after" taken in for a medical examination perhaps.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/29/2014 12:56 PM, jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>


Dude, you are acting exactly like danfriedman2002 here.

You make a stupid, dumbshit statement on a forum which you
are well aware, that it has abnormal members.  Your
statement also indirectly suggested that they would condone
or overlook such a perversion.

You case is a little shaky. What will you do if TMO slaps a
lawsuit on you for libeling MMY and the believers?


>
/You are assuming that people "think" before they post their messages, 
Jason. In many cases it's just their chronic prejudice  showing - they 
can't help it, that's who they are.


There is a pattern here: Barry reported me to Rick, the owner of the 
site, for jesting about the anonymous "Michael Jackson" not putting 
enough cannabis in the cookies he baked at MIU, which was clearly a joke.


So, Barry thought he'd get me banned from the group by sending Rick a 
private email. //I///already told you we have an informant on the list - 
and that was no joke.


/There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on in Barry's brain. 
Just today he accused me of lying when anyone can see I copied and 
pasted his own quoted words. Go figure.


http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg338227.html

/
>



---  wrote :

*Nablus, I suggest that you drop this, because YOUR name, email 
address, and posting history here on the Fairfield Life group are now 
in the possession of the Dutch police. I tried to warn you earlier 
that this country takes a very hard line with people who attempt to 
harm others' reputations through malicious slander and cyberstalking, 
but obviously you weren't listening. You should listen now, because if 
you persist I will have no choice but to file formal criminal charges 
against you.



*
*From:* nablusoss1008 
*Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...

Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the 
balls to booth the "butt-fucking-babies" member.  Meanwhile we'll se 
what the Leiden Police choose to do as searching his computers for 
child porn is too late, he had all Thursday night to get rid of 
everything. Have the child he is "looking after" taken in for a 
medical examination perhaps.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/29/2014 12:47 PM, raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Raunchy, I agree that Barry is a degenerate filth and a
rotten piece of shit.

But, he cleverly worded his statement in such a way that it
would seem to general readers, that true blue believers
would condone such an act (whether by maharishi or anyone
else).

In other words, he seems to be implying that true believers
are perverts or fools, as they would condone such an act. I
think this provoked Jim and Ann.

Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vile 
image of child abuse he invoked.



>
/What Barry posted was probably intentionally nuanced, but I've got to 
say it was a very strange metaphor to use on a public forum discussing 
spiritual paths, considering how almost anything can be taken out of 
context and used against him.


But,I've come to expect that from Barry - not for nothing did he call 
himself the "Uncle Tantra" for a decade or more. It was almost like he 
was so engrossed in winning a religious argument that he lost all sense 
of propriety and common sense.


I can't take sides in this since, as far as I'm concerned, almost 
everyone on this fourm has said something derogatory about me, but I'm 
not going to call the cops on anyone. I'll let others be the informants 
and I'll just continue to post information, or I won't. /

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/29/2014 11:57 AM, s3raphita wrote:
>


*/Re "filing of actual criminal charges":/*

*/
/*
Don't US courts refuse to extradite their own citizens to the law in 
foreign jurisdictions? Or at least make it damned difficult?

>
/The person that should be worried about the law should probably be the 
guy that's living as a guest worker in a foreign country, not the ones 
playing the word game and living in the U.S.


If he did actually file charges with Interpol, anything he posted 
//online concerning this subject is not going to look very good at the 
Hague, NE immigration department, no matter how innocent he may be and 
just wanted to push a few buttons.


If I were him, I'd just keep my big pie hole shut and just hide out for 
awhile and think things over. That's what I did after a few misfits here 
accused me of beastiality, being a perv and posing as a pedophile 
priest. I don't see anyone on the forum apologizing to me.


But, I never once thought of going to the police to complain. I figure 
if you're going to play with fire, you should be able to take the heat 
if you get burned or if something backfires on you.


I guess we can pretty well conclude now that there is an informant among 
us reporting everything we say to the authorities. I tried to warn 
everyone about this for years but nobody wanted to listen.

/
//These episodes would probably never happen if the forum had an active 
moderator. It's been obvious to me for years that some of the 
respondents on this forum are racists, prejudiced and hypocritical, to 
say the least./

///
We don't need no revolution - we already had one and the people won. 
/All we need to believe in is that we are all equal and that we all have 
the same opportunity to get realized, or not. /

>

*/
/*


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*From:* salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid 
doing the hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff 
sometimes. I think it's a valid part of relating to others that we 
acknowledge our part in their upset and then soldier on.


Yes, the operative word here is IF. Trouble is these days a lot of 
people think that because they are offended by something it 
automatically follows that someone has done something wrong and should 
apologise. It seems like simply being offended gives them the right to 
control other's opinions. Beats me.


*/Worse, in this Age of New Age Narcissism, they feel that they have 
the right to inflict *their* opinions on others. In the most recent 
case here on Fairfield Life, my choice of words pushed the buttons of 
a few cultists so badly that they began to imagine things about me 
that aren't true. This is nothing new, but then -- probably because 
they're so USED to taking their own fantasies seriously and treating 
them as Truth Incarnate -- they started to act those fantasies out on 
this forum and accuse me of things. The things that they have 
brainwashed themselves to believe about me aren't true, but they are 
volatile enough that if I had allowed them to go unresponded-to, the 
resulting libel and defamation could potentially have a negative 
impact on my family.

/*

*/Fortunately for me (and unfortunately for the two people who have 
chosen to defame me), one of our close family friends here in the 
Netherlands IS a cop, and furthermore one who works in the 
anti-cyberterrorism group. We know him from a local "Meetup" 
discussion group, of which we've all been members for some time.

/*
*/
/*
*/So yesterday I explained the situation to him and, to my surprise, 
his first question to me was, "By any chance, are these people who are 
trying to insinuate that you are a child molestor members of a 
religious cult?" Somewhat taken aback, I said "Yes," and then he 
explained that the reason he asked is that this (using the Internet to 
attempt to brand someone as a sex criminal, especially in regard to 
children) was a favorite tactic used by cults they are tracking in the 
Netherlands (especially $cientology, but also some extreme Christian 
cults).

/*
*/
/*
*/He advised me to take this action by Nabby and Jim Flanegin more 
seriously, and walked me through the steps of doing so. Here in the 
Netherlands, it's a two-step process. First I notify the proper 
division of the police about the cyberstalking, giving them the email 
addresses of the stalkers and forwarding to them examples of all 
defamatory posts or emails they have sent. This officially puts them 
on a "Watch List," and causes Interpol and other agencies to flag any 
traffic coming from these addresses for further scrutiny.

/*
*/
/*
*/This has been done. If they wise up and drop this stupidity, I will 
never need to take it to step two, which is the filing of actual 
criminal charges. Note that the words "criminal charges" are exact in 
this situation -- my friend made it very clear that here in the 
Netherlands 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vile image of 
child abuse he invoked.

C: And you could be right on the cause of offense. It is what they did next 
that I condemn. Whatever your reaction to images being offered and read by 
choice here, the response shouldn't be accusations of despicable illegal acts 
aimed at the the writer. 

A person could just address how they feel about the image used without going 
that far to retaliate. To justify that kind of makes his original point.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Personally, I don't react to an over the top fabrication like I do to reality. 
For example, I saw a picture online of a painting depicting Jesus raping a 
baby, and I laughed my ass off. OTOH, I'm completely horrified by this local 
story:

Ottumwa Teen Arrested, Accused of Molesting Toddler on Video 
http://ottumwaeveningpost.com/9425/69474/a/ottumwa-teen-arrested-accused-of-molesting-toddler-on-video
 
 
 
http://ottumwaeveningpost.com/9425/69474/a/ottumwa-teen-arrested-accused-of-molesting-toddler-on-video
 
 
 Ottumwa Teen Arrested, Accused of Molesting Toddl... 
http://ottumwaeveningpost.com/9425/69474/a/ottumwa-teen-arrested-accused-of-molesting-toddler-on-video
 Ottumwa Evening Post: Ottumwa Iowa's Free Online Newspaper.
 
 
 
 View on ottumwaeveningpost... 
http://ottumwaeveningpost.com/9425/69474/a/ottumwa-teen-arrested-accused-of-molesting-toddler-on-video
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vile image of 
child abuse he invoked.

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

You didn't post here after the neo format?

Make sure you click the 'show message' tab below after you 
click the reply button.


---  wrote :

 Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vile image of 
child abuse he invoked.

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dude, you are acting exactly like danfriedman2002 here.

You make a stupid, dumbshit statement on a forum which you 
are well aware, that it has abnormal members.  Your 
statement also indirectly suggested that they would condone 
or overlook such a perversion.

You case is a little shaky. What will you do if TMO slaps a 
lawsuit on you for libeling MMY and the believers?
 

---  wrote :

 Nablus, I suggest that you drop this, because YOUR name, email address, and 
posting history here on the Fairfield Life group are now in the possession of 
the Dutch police. I tried to warn you earlier that this country takes a very 
hard line with people who attempt to harm others' reputations through malicious 
slander and cyberstalking, but obviously you weren't listening. You should 
listen now, because if you persist I will have no choice but to file formal 
criminal charges against you.  



 From: nablusoss1008 
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
 
 
   Who knows how many have unsubscribed. Rick Archer has not yet had the balls 
to booth the "butt-fucking-babies" member.  Meanwhile we'll se what the Leiden 
Police choose to do as searching his computers for child porn is too late, he 
had all Thursday night to get rid of everything. Have the child he is "looking 
after" taken in for a medical examination perhaps.

 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vile image of 
child abuse he invoked.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[raunchy...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Raunchy, I agree that Barry is a degenerate filth and a 
rotten piece of shit.

But, he cleverly worded his statement in such a way that it 
would seem to general readers, that true blue believers 
would condone such an act (whether by maharishi or anyone 
else).

In other words, he seems to be implying that true believers 
are perverts or fools, as they would condone such an act. I 
think this provoked Jim and Ann.

Nope. Folks didn't react to Barry because they were offended as "true 
believers." They were offended as human beings repulsed by the vile image of 
child abuse he invoked.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

Raunchy, I agree that Barry is a degenerate filth and a 
rotten piece of shit.

But, he cleverly worded his statement in such a way that it 
would seem to general readers, that true blue believers 
would condone such an act (whether by maharishi or anyone 
else).

In other words, he seems to be implying that true believers 
are perverts or fools, as they would condone such an act. I 
think this provoked Jim and Ann.


---  wrote :

 
 
 Geez, Barry.  I thought you were joking about abusing babies just to push 
buttons of imaginary cult members the same as I am pushing your buttons about 
being a pervert.  Abusing babies...wow!  That was a real knee slapper, still 
ROTFLMAO.  Pleeezze...call off the cops and I’ll never to make fun of you being 
a harmless little bunny again.
 

 Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg   

 
 
 http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg 
 
 Holy Grail - Killer Bunny http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg A clip from Monty 
Python's 'The Holy Grail' Also: http://www.youtub...
 
 
 
 View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
 All schools in the Dutch city of Leiden closed on Monday amid police concerns 
that an internet troll had been stalking an alleged child molester suspected of 
abusing babies. Police are investigating the accusation of child molestation 
and have responded by advising all schools to stay closed for the day. 
 

 Leiden Mayor Henri Lenferink told Dutch broadcaster NOS: “It could just be a 
morbid joke but we don’t want to take any risk.”
 

 The police have issued warrants for the arrest of both the stalker and the 
pervert. Due to crowded jail conditions, it is likely they will share a bunk in 
the slammer until they can post bail.
 

Dutch schools closed in Leiden over online mass shooting threats | 
BelleNews.com 
http://www.bellenews.com/2013/04/22/world/europe-news/leiden-schools-closed-over-online-mass-shooting-threats-in-the-netherlands/
 
 
 
http://www.bellenews.com/2013/04/22/world/europe-news/leiden-schools-closed-over-online-mass-shooting-threats-in-the-netherlands/
 
 
 Dutch schools closed in Leiden over online mass shooting t... 
http://www.bellenews.com/2013/04/22/world/europe-news/leiden-schools-closed-over-online-mass-shooting-threats-in-the-netherlands/
 Home Breaking News Dutch schools closed in Leiden over online mass...
 
 
 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

 ---  wrote :
 

 You have continued to see the world as your addled mind allows you to, bawee. 
You have completely missed the point. The point is, take responsibility for 
yourself, for once. Take responsibility for the fact that you are, plain and 
simple, a vile and obnoxious asshole who hides behind your imaginary (or real, 
it doesn't matter) investigative journalist who appears brain damaged if he is 
bothering to "study" what is already crystal clear here among the posters at 
FFL or else brain damaged because he has not yet caught on. His button pusher 
is a stooge and the rest of us are normal, well-adjusted humans who take 
exception to your bad manners and foul mouth. Simple. Got that mr or mr lurking 
reporter? How long does it take you to figure this out? Months, years? When are 
you going to grow up, Wright? Adults look at themselves once in a while and 
reflect on what they do and say. They take ownership of their actions. This has 
dick-all to do with MMY. You need to figure out what cultist means, that might 
help for a start. If it makes you feel any better, I'll claim ownership of 
being the Queen Cultist. There, better?
 

 

 ---  wrote :

We warned this guy years ago about posting these kind of 
messages - a double-edged sword. Anyone that has been 
posting as long as Barry (since 1994) has been posting 
should know better. Anything can be taken out of context so 
it's just much better to be friendly online and reserve 
off-color comments for buddies at the bar. This was really 
dumb of Barry - in fact, it's one of the dumbest comments 
I've ever seen on newsgroups since I started in 1999. If I 
was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation 
with a very strong warning and demand an apology to the 
entire group and until he does I'd limit his participation. 

This was TOTALLY inappropriate for a family forum like this. 

 

 

 

  


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "filing of actual criminal charges": 

 Don't US courts refuse to extradite their own citizens to the law in foreign 
jurisdictions? Or at least make it damned difficult?
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, if I apologize, what's included is an intention to avoid doing the 
hurtful behavior in the future. Heck we all do awful stuff sometimes. I think 
it's a valid part of relating to others that we acknowledge our part in their 
upset and then soldier on.

 

 Yes, the operative word here is IF. Trouble is these days a lot of people 
think that because they are offended by something it automatically follows that 
someone has done something wrong and should apologise. It seems like simply 
being offended gives them the right to control other's opinions. Beats me.
 

 Worse, in this Age of New Age Narcissism, they feel that they have the right 
to inflict *their* opinions on others. In the most recent case here on 
Fairfield Life, my choice of words pushed the buttons of a few cultists so 
badly that they began to imagine things about me that aren't true. This is 
nothing new, but then -- probably because they're so USED to taking their own 
fantasies seriously and treating them as Truth Incarnate -- they started to act 
those fantasies out on this forum and accuse me of things. The things that they 
have brainwashed themselves to believe about me aren't true, but they are 
volatile enough that if I had allowed them to go unresponded-to, the resulting 
libel and defamation could potentially have a negative impact on my family. 

 

 Fortunately for me (and unfortunately for the two people who have chosen to 
defame me), one of our close family friends here in the Netherlands IS a cop, 
and furthermore one who works in the anti-cyberterrorism group. We know him 
from a local "Meetup" discussion group, of which we've all been members for 
some time. 

 

 So yesterday I explained the situation to him and, to my surprise, his first 
question to me was, "By any chance, are these people who are trying to 
insinuate that you are a child molestor members of a religious cult?" Somewhat 
taken aback, I said "Yes," and then he explained that the reason he asked is 
that this (using the Internet to attempt to brand someone as a sex criminal, 
especially in regard to children) was a favorite tactic used by cults they are 
tracking in the Netherlands (especially $cientology, but also some extreme 
Christian cults). 

 

 He advised me to take this action by Nabby and Jim Flanegin more seriously, 
and walked me through the steps of doing so. Here in the Netherlands, it's a 
two-step process. First I notify the proper division of the police about the 
cyberstalking, giving them the email addresses of the stalkers and forwarding 
to them examples of all defamatory posts or emails they have sent. This 
officially puts them on a "Watch List," and causes Interpol and other agencies 
to flag any traffic coming from these addresses for further scrutiny. 

 

 This has been done. If they wise up and drop this stupidity, I will never need 
to take it to step two, which is the filing of actual criminal charges. Note 
that the words "criminal charges" are exact in this situation -- my friend made 
it very clear that here in the Netherlands what they are doing is not a mere 
civil offense but a crime.
 

 But the saddest part from my point of view is that neither of these guys is 
going to ever feel as if they did anything wrong. THEY were the ones taking the 
two words I posted *referring to their spiritual teacher* and turning them in 
their heads into some kind of psychological diagnosis of me. THEY were the ones 
committing defamation and libel -- as pointed out earlier, I never once 
suggested that Maharishi or anyone else *really* was into fucking babies. THEY 
made that up, and about me. My friend the cop -- having seen my original post 
and their followups -- tells me that if either of them persists in this folly, 
my case against them will be a slam-dunk and he could put them in prison. 

 

 But isn't it amazing that they felt that they had the *right* to do this in 
the first place? As Salyavin and others have pointed out (and my friend the cop 
suggested as well), this syndrome of "professional outrage" they wear like a 
badge of honor is quite possibly a form of mental illness. Their outrage does 
NOT give them the right to act out the fantasies my words inspire in them and 
harm others.   


 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:40 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apologies...
 
 
   
 
 "If I was the moderator of this group I'd put him on probation with a very 
strong warning and demand an apology to the entire group and until he does I'd 
limit his participation." 

 

 I don't know who wrote the above but it's a familiar part of modern life that 
makes me scratch my 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

emptyb, yes I must be desperate. But there's a weird strength in acknowledging 
that. Liberation even. Rather than nap, I shall go figger (-:

  From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...
   
    You miss - Mrs. "Who you lookin at!  Here come close so I can vomit on 
you". ???You miss - "I'm so enlightened - aren't you glad I'm even talking to 
you waking-state slaves?" You must be desperate Share. Go have some left-over 
turkey. You'll feel sleepy again and can nap until you feel better. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You miss - Mrs. "Who you lookin at!  Here come close so I can vomit on you". ???
 You miss - "I'm so enlightened - aren't you glad I'm even talking to you 
waking-state slaves?"
  
 You must be desperate Share. Go have some left-over turkey. 
 You'll feel sleepy again and can nap until you feel better. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

emptyb, hope you all had a good Thanksgiving. I miss the richness of all the 
FFL voices that have gone silent. And I feel sad that people couldn't work out 
their differences. Where was Yamataka when needed?! (-:

  From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 5:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...
   
    Share,

Why feel sad at the departure of a TMO shill and a gawking parrot?
I say celebrate and give a Thanksgiving Day hurrah!

Free at last - Free at last! 
Thank Yamântaka. 
We're free at last.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies...

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share,

Why feel sad at the departure of a TMO shill and a gawking parrot?
I say celebrate and give a Thanksgiving Day hurrah!

Free at last - Free at last! 
Thank Yamântaka. 
We're free at last.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Robin Carlsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8Ss28zjcE&feature=related


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Robin,
> > Thanks for your reply.  Sort of an indulgence when other 
> > stuff is going on here, but a few comments.
> > As you know, many times I read posts rather quickly, and 
> > may miss some nuances.
> > But I don't generally try to argue with,  or analyze "funny".  
> > I like "funny" and usually I will take it a face value.  I 
> > found Barry's post to be funny.  And I thought it delivered 
> > some well deserved pay back to you and Judy.  Sorry about 
> > that, but that's what I felt.  
> 
> Steve, I honestly don't know why you and Curtis got
> sucked into this sucker's game. Robin has clearly
> lured you both into his same old same old routine
> of interacting with him endlessly, with him calling
> the shots and getting you to jump through hoops.
> 
> And ALL OVER SOME DRAMA QUEEN HYSTERICS
> THAT NO SANE PERSON WOULD EVER BOTHER WITH.
> 
> My "apologies" from Robin and Judy were not in any
> way supposed to be irony, or even funny. They were
> an attempt to convey -- in as few words as possible
> -- what they should really say in such an apology
> if they were in the least bit honest. With themselves,
> and with others here.
> 
> These are crazy people. They reduced Fairfield Life
> yesterday to their level, and sucked other people 
> into it. 
> 
> If you're got the time to waste on such bullshit,
> I leave you to it. I do not.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[authfriend]

Never mind, Susan. Just keep on truckin'.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > 
> > > > > I will admit that I was talking on the phone while reading
> > > > > FFL last night - a "dangerous" thing to do if you take this 
> > > > > seriously and want to be able to defend yourself here.
> > > > > Anyway, I gather I was responding to a single post of
> > > > > Emily's when apparently I had missed an earlier one.
> > > > 
> > > > Interesting, because last night you claimed to have read
> > > > Emily's earlier post too:
> > > > 
> > > > ==
> > > > I did read Emily's post.
> > > 
> > > Yes, I did write that I had read Emily's post, but I was
> > > referring to the one post of hers I had read, not the prior
> > > one that I was not aware of.
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, for chrissakes, Susan, get real! The post you
> > were responding to *called to your attention exactly
> > that prior post*. What did you think "Read Emily's
> > post which came before this one" meant? How is one
> > to interpret "I did read Emily's post" as referring
> > to anything other than that prior post you'd just
> > been told to read?
> > 
> > Look down here at what Robin had written that you
> > were responding to--that you quoted in your post--
> > the second sentence (I put it in capital letters
> > so you won't miss it):
> > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You have the strangest compulsions, Susan. READ EMILY'S
> > > > > POST WHICH CAME BEFORE THIS ONE. Answer that. You're a
> > > > > funny lady. But you're right: 90% does it. I feel this
> > > > > right in my bones. Casey hit a home run.
> > 
> > 
> > And you responded: "I read Emily's post."
> > 
> > Later, in response to me, you wrote, "I read the posts"
> > (plural).
> 
> Yes, the posts (plural) by other people that led up to Emily's single post to 
> which I responded  (and which she fully understood).  You see, I did read 
> other people's posts, and then 1 by Emily to which I responded.  Is that 
> clear now?  Can you see how that might happen?
> > 
> > Are you on the telephone now as you're reading and
> > responding? It seems like you must be, because you
> > sure aren't paying attention.
> 
> Wow, this should be the worst problem in my life, and yours too.  Seriously.  
> Judy, I don't care about this now. And since I was distracted on the phone 
> last night - and apparently missed a post, I don't care about that either, 
> nor do I feel guilty or as if I made a big mistake.   I made a brief post in 
> response to  few words in a post by Emily.  Emily was fine with it (as she 
> wrote), and so am I. 
> 
> > 
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K. 
> > > > > > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > > > > > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > > > > > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > > > > > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > > > > > are the ones making the fuss, the noise. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319735
> > > > 
> > > > And then you denied you did any "selective reading":
> > > > 
> > > > =
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K.
> > > > > > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > > > > > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > > > > > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > > > > > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > > > > > are the ones making the fuss, the noise.
> > > > >
> > > > > JESUS. Poor Susan! Maybe she should give a course in
> > > > > selective reading.
> > > > 
> > > > Nothing selective about my reading on this. I read the posts.
> > > > I just don't "side" with you, which is a very different thing
> > > > than selective reading.
> > > > ==

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> 
> > > > I will admit that I was talking on the phone while reading
> > > > FFL last night - a "dangerous" thing to do if you take this 
> > > > seriously and want to be able to defend yourself here.
> > > > Anyway, I gather I was responding to a single post of
> > > > Emily's when apparently I had missed an earlier one.
> > > 
> > > Interesting, because last night you claimed to have read
> > > Emily's earlier post too:
> > > 
> > > ==
> > > I did read Emily's post.
> > 
> > Yes, I did write that I had read Emily's post, but I was
> > referring to the one post of hers I had read, not the prior
> > one that I was not aware of.
> 
> 
> Oh, for chrissakes, Susan, get real! The post you
> were responding to *called to your attention exactly
> that prior post*. What did you think "Read Emily's
> post which came before this one" meant? How is one
> to interpret "I did read Emily's post" as referring
> to anything other than that prior post you'd just
> been told to read?
> 
> Look down here at what Robin had written that you
> were responding to--that you quoted in your post--
> the second sentence (I put it in capital letters
> so you won't miss it):
> 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You have the strangest compulsions, Susan. READ EMILY'S
> > > > POST WHICH CAME BEFORE THIS ONE. Answer that. You're a
> > > > funny lady. But you're right: 90% does it. I feel this
> > > > right in my bones. Casey hit a home run.
> 
> 
> And you responded: "I read Emily's post."
> 
> Later, in response to me, you wrote, "I read the posts"
> (plural).

Yes, the posts (plural) by other people that led up to Emily's single post to 
which I responded  (and which she fully understood).  You see, I did read other 
people's posts, and then 1 by Emily to which I responded.  Is that clear now?  
Can you see how that might happen?
> 
> Are you on the telephone now as you're reading and
> responding? It seems like you must be, because you
> sure aren't paying attention.

Wow, this should be the worst problem in my life, and yours too.  Seriously.  
Judy, I don't care about this now. And since I was distracted on the phone last 
night - and apparently missed a post, I don't care about that either, nor do I 
feel guilty or as if I made a big mistake.   I made a brief post in response to 
 few words in a post by Emily.  Emily was fine with it (as she wrote), and so 
am I. 

> 
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K. 
> > > > > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > > > > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > > > > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > > > > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > > > > are the ones making the fuss, the noise. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319735
> > > 
> > > And then you denied you did any "selective reading":
> > > 
> > > =
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K.
> > > > > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > > > > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > > > > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > > > > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > > > > are the ones making the fuss, the noise.
> > > >
> > > > JESUS. Poor Susan! Maybe she should give a course in
> > > > selective reading.
> > > 
> > > Nothing selective about my reading on this. I read the posts.
> > > I just don't "side" with you, which is a very different thing
> > > than selective reading.
> > > ===
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319736
> > > 
> > > And of course my comment had zero to do with whether you
> > > were on *my* side. My point was that you read Emily's
> > > second post and assumed, incorrectly, that *she* was siding
> > > with Curtis. But you had just got 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:

> > > I will admit that I was talking on the phone while reading
> > > FFL last night - a "dangerous" thing to do if you take this 
> > > seriously and want to be able to defend yourself here.
> > > Anyway, I gather I was responding to a single post of
> > > Emily's when apparently I had missed an earlier one.
> > 
> > Interesting, because last night you claimed to have read
> > Emily's earlier post too:
> > 
> > ==
> > I did read Emily's post.
> 
> Yes, I did write that I had read Emily's post, but I was
> referring to the one post of hers I had read, not the prior
> one that I was not aware of.


Oh, for chrissakes, Susan, get real! The post you
were responding to *called to your attention exactly
that prior post*. What did you think "Read Emily's
post which came before this one" meant? How is one
to interpret "I did read Emily's post" as referring
to anything other than that prior post you'd just
been told to read?

Look down here at what Robin had written that you
were responding to--that you quoted in your post--
the second sentence (I put it in capital letters
so you won't miss it):

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You have the strangest compulsions, Susan. READ EMILY'S
> > > POST WHICH CAME BEFORE THIS ONE. Answer that. You're a
> > > funny lady. But you're right: 90% does it. I feel this
> > > right in my bones. Casey hit a home run.


And you responded: "I read Emily's post."

Later, in response to me, you wrote, "I read the posts"
(plural).

Are you on the telephone now as you're reading and
responding? It seems like you must be, because you
sure aren't paying attention.


> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K. 
> > > > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> > > >
> > > > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > > > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > > > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > > > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > > > are the ones making the fuss, the noise. 
> > 
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319735
> > 
> > And then you denied you did any "selective reading":
> > 
> > =
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K.
> > > > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> > > >
> > > > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > > > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > > > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > > > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > > > are the ones making the fuss, the noise.
> > >
> > > JESUS. Poor Susan! Maybe she should give a course in
> > > selective reading.
> > 
> > Nothing selective about my reading on this. I read the posts.
> > I just don't "side" with you, which is a very different thing
> > than selective reading.
> > ===
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319736
> > 
> > And of course my comment had zero to do with whether you
> > were on *my* side. My point was that you read Emily's
> > second post and assumed, incorrectly, that *she* was siding
> > with Curtis. But you had just got done telling Robin that
> > you'd read the earlier one as well, and here you appeared
> > to confirm this ("I read the posts").
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> 
> > No, I was not aware that Robin posted "on my account."  But
> > thanks for letting me know, Steve.
> 
> Of course, he didn't post on your account but under his
> own name and handle. Here's the post:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319794
> 
> > I will admit that I was talking on the phone while reading
> > FFL last night - a "dangerous" thing to do if you take this 
> > seriously and want to be able to defend yourself here.
> > Anyway, I gather I was responding to a single post of
> > Emily's when apparently I had missed an earlier one.
> 
> Interesting, because last night you claimed to have read
> Emily's earlier post too:
> 
> ==
> I did read Emily's post.

Yes, I did write that I had read Emily's post, but I was referring to the one 
post of hers I had read, not the prior one that I was not aware of. There was 
no deceit on my part, simply that I did not know there was an earlier post I 
had not read.  I was distracted by my phone call, so I must have missed it.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> >
> > You have the strangest compulsions, Susan. Read Emily's
> > post which came before this one. Answer that. You're a
> > funny lady. But you're right: 90% does it. I feel this
> > right in my bones. Casey hit a home run.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K. 
> > > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> > >
> > > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > > are the ones making the fuss, the noise. 
> 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319735
> 
> And then you denied you did any "selective reading":
> 
> =
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K.
> > > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> > >
> > > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > > are the ones making the fuss, the noise.
> >
> > JESUS. Poor Susan! Maybe she should give a course in
> > selective reading.
> 
> Nothing selective about my reading on this. I read the posts.
> I just don't "side" with you, which is a very different thing
> than selective reading.
> ===
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319736
> 
> And of course my comment had zero to do with whether you
> were on *my* side. My point was that you read Emily's
> second post and assumed, incorrectly, that *she* was siding
> with Curtis. But you had just got done telling Robin that
> you'd read the earlier one as well, and here you appeared
> to confirm this ("I read the posts").
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:

> No, I was not aware that Robin posted "on my account."  But
> thanks for letting me know, Steve.

Of course, he didn't post on your account but under his
own name and handle. Here's the post:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319794

> I will admit that I was talking on the phone while reading
> FFL last night - a "dangerous" thing to do if you take this 
> seriously and want to be able to defend yourself here.
> Anyway, I gather I was responding to a single post of
> Emily's when apparently I had missed an earlier one.

Interesting, because last night you claimed to have read
Emily's earlier post too:

==
I did read Emily's post.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
>
> You have the strangest compulsions, Susan. Read Emily's
> post which came before this one. Answer that. You're a
> funny lady. But you're right: 90% does it. I feel this
> right in my bones. Casey hit a home run.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K. 
> > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> >
> > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > are the ones making the fuss, the noise. 


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319735

And then you denied you did any "selective reading":

=
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey now, I'm standing up for Curtis, aren't I :) It's O.K.
> > > Curtis...your reputation is safe. No worries.
> >
> > I'm with you, Emily, and Curtis, on this. Altho most people
> > won't bother to spend a minute reading this argumentative,
> > odd stuff (good for them!), my guess is that if they did,
> > about 99% would side with Curtis. Thing is, the other 1%
> > are the ones making the fuss, the noise.
>
> JESUS. Poor Susan! Maybe she should give a course in
> selective reading.

Nothing selective about my reading on this. I read the posts.
I just don't "side" with you, which is a very different thing
than selective reading.
===

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/319736

And of course my comment had zero to do with whether you
were on *my* side. My point was that you read Emily's
second post and assumed, incorrectly, that *she* was siding
with Curtis. But you had just got done telling Robin that
you'd read the earlier one as well, and here you appeared
to confirm this ("I read the posts").

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> > Steve, I honestly don't know why you and Curtis got
> > sucked into this sucker's game. Robin has clearly
> > lured you both into his same old same old routine
> > of interacting with him endlessly, with him calling
> > the shots and getting you to jump through hoops.
> >
> > And ALL OVER SOME DRAMA QUEEN HYSTERICS
> > THAT NO SANE PERSON WOULD EVER BOTHER WITH.
> >
> > My "apologies" from Robin and Judy were not in any
> > way supposed to be irony, or even funny. They were
> > an attempt to convey -- in as few words as possible
> > -- what they should really say in such an apology
> > if they were in the least bit honest. With themselves,
> > and with others here.
> >
> > These are crazy people. They reduced Fairfield Life
> > yesterday to their level, and sucked other people
> > into it.
> >
> > If you're got the time to waste on such bullshit,
> > I leave you to it. I do not.
> >
> A couple things.  We hear from Judy that she feels she must always set
> the record straight.
> I guess I have some of that as well.  For the most part I am a lurker. 
> I am probably a 15 posts a week person.  But certain things bug me, and
> I am willing to make a stand on them.  I guess I am somewhat like Susan
> in that regard.
> And really, this whole issue concerns mostly Curtis.  I mean others were
> also subject to the hijacking of their POV, but so far Curtis is the
> only one who is pressing it.  I wonder if Susan is aware of the post
> that was made on her account by Robin.  Who knows.

No, I was not aware that Robin posted "on my account."  But thanks for letting 
me know, Steve.  I have so little time to read FFL that I am often way behind 
on things here.  In fact, I won't even be bothering to go back and see what 
Robin wrote on my account. I will admit that I was talking on the phone while 
reading FFL last night - a "dangerous" thing to do if you take this seriously 
and want to be able to defend yourself here.  Anyway, I gather I was responding 
to a single post of Emily's when apparently I had missed an earlier one.  Ah 
well, that is history now and not what I am going to spend my time on.  Because 
in 1 minute  I leave for the gym and then yoga. Both make me feel terrific 
after a day's work.  Til later.

> And I admit Barry, that I have been enjoying this exchange, but with the
> caveat, that it is not my POV that has been hijacked, or parodied, or
> whatever you want you want to call it.  And then this morning, I
> thought, for a moment, that it might actually be fun for someone to
> assume my POV in a post.  But then, thinking about further, I don't
> think there is anyone I trust enough to do that.  I mean if it were 
> temporary, that would be one thing.  But as has been pointed out, these
> are permanent postings.
> And I enjoyed your "apologies" in whatever spirit you posted them.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> to the two people causing most of it:
> 
> APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: 
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just 
> having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult 
> wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee 
> cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that 
> I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed 
> miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in 
> North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I 
> was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> up some shit about you. Sorry.
> - Robin W. Carlsen

Robin can speak for himself if he chooses to bother,
but I very much doubt he craves even a footnote in
the history of spirituality in North America.


> APOLOGY FROM JUDY:
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I'm a 
> bat shit crazy old woman with nothing going on in
> my life

Au contraire, Pierre, I have almost more going on in
my life (very good stuff) than I can deal with. A lot
more than Barry does, in fact, and he's a whole four
years younger than I am.

> and it really, really, really gets my panties
> in a twist to see anyone liking or supporting anyone
> I've spent years telling them that they shouldn't
> like. When that happens I see red and go a little
> crazier than usual, because it reminds me what an
> *ineffectual* crazy person I am. All these years,
> working with an audience not nearly as smart as I
> am, and I *still* couldn't make them hate the people
> I wanted them to hate.

It's always a crapshoot trying to determine whether
one of Barry's many self-contradictions is a function
of his failing memory about what he's said previously,
or his conviction that everyone *else's* memory is
deficient.

I suspect, though, that anyone who reads his posts
will remember quite well his urgent warnings--some
very recent--of my power to recruit others to my point
of view concerning those he refers to as my "enemies."

As Stupid Sal would say, it would be funny if it
weren't so sad. (Or, alternatively, it would be sad
if it weren't so funny.)

I snipped the post of mine Barry quoted, the one in
which I told maskedzebra to get lost. MZ, of course,
was one of my most successful and prominent converts.
He would never, *ever* have taken a dim view of Curtis
had it not been for my efforts.

But now that their enmity appears to be engraved in
stone, MZ seems to think he has some kind of "in" with
me. He requires reminding every now and then that he's
served his purpose and has no claim on my attention or
favor.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Emily Reyn]

Dear Emily (my mistress):

You have potential.

Love, Sandy (your dog)



 From: Robin Carlsen 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy
 

  
Dear Curtis.  Thank you for asking for a re-post of this.  I missed it as well. 
 Objectively, without parsing the details, this is a brilliant piece of work. 
Robin has managed, somehow, to capture almost perfectly his own MO from your 
perspective and others' actually, although perhaps not exclusively, as you 
note.  How many people are able to represent so accurately another's viewpoint 
of themselves - he must have tried on the Reality of it all, dontcha 
think...maybe just one shoe? You must admit you have made these key points on 
many occasions, albeit using different words:

Look, Robin, I think you are a good guy, very sincere and all that; but you 
have one fatal flaw: you seek to judge the motivations of other persons, and 
not only do you fumble and stumble around (it is actually quite embarrassing, 
Robin), but you actually miss hitting the truth of the person altogether. 

You can intuit all you like, Robin, but the act of judging what someone says by 
what you believe to be their inner faults, this is not only inappropriate and 
offensive--it is the most unreliable form of truth there could ever be. But 
beyond this, Robin, it is violation of the code of human relationships. You 
have just gone one step too far here, Robin, in your rather pathetic and 
unconvincing analysis of irony. And I don't appreciate your bringing me into 
your little dance of self-congratulations.

I would just ask you one more time, Robin: Deal with me on the basis of what I 
write. You see, Robin, you can't act as if you are the knower of what 
my motives are, my character. 

Robin, can't see how you are acting out a little ritual here which has become 
so familiar to most of us that at this point it just seems like a cheap Vegas 
act--where the audience dwindles every night. 

Now, this last oneyour analogies are more creative, but the spirit is 
captured.  Curtis, you have the skill set to reply in-kind, should you so 
choose. If I were you, I wouldn't waste my time responding to Robin's request 
to "show" him what about his post *wasn't* an accurate reflection of your 
position. Sounds like you might be finished for the day though; it was a 
helluva show and thank you for your participation.  It might have been annoying 
as hell from your seat, but from mine, it was insanely funny.  But, just so you 
know, I am *not* laughing at your expense.  I thank you for letting Robin get 
under your skin a bit.  It was good for me Curtis, I hope it was good for you 
too. 

Emily

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> to the two people causing most of it:
> 
> APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: 
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just 
> having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult 
> wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee 
> cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that 
> I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed 
> miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in 
> North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I 
> was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> up some shit about you. Sorry.
> - Robin W. Carlsen
> 

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless.  Almost.  It is at this point
> > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when the 
> > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down.  And succeeds in doing
> > > > so for a while.  I guess that's a difference between that book 
> > > > and FFL.  I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a moment.
> > > > 
> > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy.  That could happen 
> > > > you know.
> > > 
> > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings 
> > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your 
> > > warning to Authfrie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> Steve, I honestly don't know why you and Curtis got
> sucked into this sucker's game. Robin has clearly
> lured you both into his same old same old routine
> of interacting with him endlessly, with him calling
> the shots and getting you to jump through hoops.
>
> And ALL OVER SOME DRAMA QUEEN HYSTERICS
> THAT NO SANE PERSON WOULD EVER BOTHER WITH.
>
> My "apologies" from Robin and Judy were not in any
> way supposed to be irony, or even funny. They were
> an attempt to convey -- in as few words as possible
> -- what they should really say in such an apology
> if they were in the least bit honest. With themselves,
> and with others here.
>
> These are crazy people. They reduced Fairfield Life
> yesterday to their level, and sucked other people
> into it.
>
> If you're got the time to waste on such bullshit,
> I leave you to it. I do not.
>
A couple things.  We hear from Judy that she feels she must always set
the record straight.
I guess I have some of that as well.  For the most part I am a lurker. 
I am probably a 15 posts a week person.  But certain things bug me, and
I am willing to make a stand on them.  I guess I am somewhat like Susan
in that regard.
And really, this whole issue concerns mostly Curtis.  I mean others were
also subject to the hijacking of their POV, but so far Curtis is the
only one who is pressing it.  I wonder if Susan is aware of the post
that was made on her account by Robin.  Who knows.
And I admit Barry, that I have been enjoying this exchange, but with the
caveat, that it is not my POV that has been hijacked, or parodied, or
whatever you want you want to call it.  And then this morning, I
thought, for a moment, that it might actually be fun for someone to
assume my POV in a post.  But then, thinking about further, I don't
think there is anyone I trust enough to do that.  I mean if it were 
temporary, that would be one thing.  But as has been pointed out, these
are permanent postings.
And I enjoyed your "apologies" in whatever spirit you posted them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Richard J. Williams]

seventhray:
  > The Book of Mormon is playing just up the street from me
> at the Fox Theater. ..
>
Fox Theater?
http://youtu.be/fMhHfa8X4SA 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> Hey Robin,
> Thanks for your reply.  Sort of an indulgence when other 
> stuff is going on here, but a few comments.
> As you know, many times I read posts rather quickly, and 
> may miss some nuances.
> But I don't generally try to argue with,  or analyze "funny".  
> I like "funny" and usually I will take it a face value.  I 
> found Barry's post to be funny.  And I thought it delivered 
> some well deserved pay back to you and Judy.  Sorry about 
> that, but that's what I felt.  

Steve, I honestly don't know why you and Curtis got
sucked into this sucker's game. Robin has clearly
lured you both into his same old same old routine
of interacting with him endlessly, with him calling
the shots and getting you to jump through hoops.

And ALL OVER SOME DRAMA QUEEN HYSTERICS
THAT NO SANE PERSON WOULD EVER BOTHER WITH.

My "apologies" from Robin and Judy were not in any
way supposed to be irony, or even funny. They were
an attempt to convey -- in as few words as possible
-- what they should really say in such an apology
if they were in the least bit honest. With themselves,
and with others here.

These are crazy people. They reduced Fairfield Life
yesterday to their level, and sucked other people 
into it. 

If you're got the time to waste on such bullshit,
I leave you to it. I do not. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[seventhray1]

Hey Robin,
Thanks for your reply.  Sort of an indulgence when other stuff is going
on here, but a few comments.
As you know, many times I read posts rather quickly, and may miss some
nuances.
But I don't generally try to argue with,  or analyze "funny".  I like
"funny" and usually I will take it a face value.  I found Barry's post
to be funny.  And I thought it delivered some well deserved pay back to
you and Judy.  Sorry about that, but that's what I felt.  Let me look
down below and see what else there might be.  Hold on.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "maskedzebra" 
wrote:
>
> Dear Steve,
>
> Wait for your letter; but I couldn't help myself: This one word is the
best (and most ironic) response there could be to Barry's ID
impersonations. Therefore, you realize how far you are from
understanding irony when you see it [irony]. Had I thought of this one
word as a response to Barry's post *I would have eagerly seized upon
it*.
>
> That is, me, Robin, would have decided this was *better than anything
that I could come up with* to remain consistent and intelligent in all
that I believe about Barry.
>
> The problem here, Steve, is you did not understand my essay on irony.
If you had you would have realized that *it is incidental* if the irony
is in the service of one's own opinions, biases, predilections-or is
against them: for something to be ironic, it is only *up to reality
itself*. The moment you begin to obrain delight in something someone has
said about someone else, *there is no reality there, Stevie, boy*. For
irony impersonalizes everything; puts a person into a unknown experience
over which they have no control.
I am sure this is correct.  Barry's post, I am sure did not meet these
parameters.  But I wasn't evaluating it on that basis.
> Barry did not interface with reality; he only interfaced with himself.
Ergo, he voided the irony potential altogether. You can't do irony from
some conviction of feeling--you have to do irony from a strictly
disinterested and impartial standpoint in the universe: you have to let
reality *represent itself*. (Even if your starting motive is some strong
affect.)
Well, we will disqualify it as irony, and put it in the slam category.
> If you loved Barry's posts (re: me and the editor dame) then it
certainly was "perfection" for YOU. But it had nothing to do with irony,
for if Barry's post had been suitably and objectively ironic, *you would
have had an experience over which you had no control*.
>
> Irony only works on *its* terms; it has no favourites.
>
> The irony that Barry attempted failed. And why did it fail, Steve?
Because it just gave you a great experience of satisfaction that Barry
seemed to be getting back at Robin and the editor dame. But that is not
what irony is all about whatsoever; irony has to be so good that the
person who deploys it can laugh as hard at what he or she has said or
written--as if someone else has said or written it. And the victim, he
or she, too, has to fight not to laugh--*at himself or herself*.
W
> There can be no ambiguity when irony is going on, Steve: Barry's post
did not touch me--*even as I would have been instructed and edified if
it had*--and I would look forward to that experience.

> If you're going to write an anti-Book of Mormon you have to find the
same metaphysical formula that Stone and Parker found to write their
play. But at the same time you have to go one level higher. Barry's post
was like someone going hysterical about the possibly implied atheism of
Stone and Parker--and calling them names because of this.
I can work on that Robin, right after we pay off the mortgage and get
the kids through school, (oh, and clean the garage), but it should be on
my list at some point.
> What Barry had to do to make it here, Steve, was show that Mormonism
on its own could make more fun of Stone and Parker's *The Book of
Mormon* than the play had succeeded in ridiculing the LDS Church.
Hey, you know, The Book of Mormon is playing just up the street from me
at the Fox Theater.  Or maybe it just finished, or maybe it's still
coming.  From what I've read it sounds like a great play, but I probably
won't be able to see it.
> Irony is an entirely objective phenomenon. It is an equal opportunity
phenomenon. Which means that Barack Obama could make fun of Mitt Romney;
but if Mitt was going to have a comeback (if he was as upset as Barry
was on behalf of his friend), he would have to *take in the irony
potency and after-effect of the ironic remark of Obama*, and then go one
better--or at least hold his own.
>
> Your rejoicing at Barry's post just proved how irony-challenged you
are, Steve--not from some organic limitation--but from some flaw in your
approach to reality: you haven't figured out how to look for the complex
secret in every moment when there is a conflict like this.
Robin, I think you've hit on just one of my flaws.  But as someone used
the phrase here recently,  I've got bigger fish to fry.  But thanks for
letting me

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Richard J. Williams]

So, it's all about Robin and Judy.

turquoiseb:
> Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> to the two people causing most of it:
> 
> APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: 
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just 
> having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult 
> wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee 
> cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that 
> I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed 
> miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in 
> North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I 
> was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> up some shit about you. Sorry.
> - Robin W. Carlsen
> 
> APOLOGY FROM JUDY:
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I'm a 
> bat shit crazy old woman with nothing going on in
> my life and it really, really, really gets my panties
> in a twist to see anyone liking or supporting anyone
> I've spent years telling them that they shouldn't
> like. When that happens I see red and go a little
> crazier than usual, because it reminds me what an
> *ineffectual* crazy person I am. All these years,
> working with an audience not nearly as smart as I
> am, and I *still* couldn't make them hate the people
> I wanted them to hate. Realizing all this just got
> me down, that's all, so I needed to go a little 
> more bat shit crazy than usual.
> - Judy Stein
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless.  Almost.  It is at this point
> > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when the 
> > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down.  And succeeds in doing
> > > > so for a while.  I guess that's a difference between that book 
> > > > and FFL.  I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a moment.
> > > > 
> > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy.  That could happen 
> > > > you know.
> > > 
> > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings 
> > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your 
> > > warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would
> > > ask you, Authfriend, to be careful at this point. Curtis and I 
> > > understand each other. I don't know you at all. And sometimes I
> > > think you act as if you know me much better than you do. Do you 
> > > understand this, Authfriend?
> > 
> > F*ck off, Zebra Baby. I don't give a crap about you and
> > your Issues; I'm after Curtis here. Don't get in the way,
> > OK? I know you better than I need to.
> > 
> > > You will thank Steve someday for his rebuke here. But funny
> > > thing is: the more I write into you, the more I like you!
> > 
> > Yeah, yeah, very funny. Take your levers and hooks and
> > grappling irons and go after somebody who hasn't made it
> > all the way around the block even once yet.
> > 
> > "Write into you," is that Canada-speak? Hey, I'll tell
> > you where you can write into, mister.
> > 
> > > But that doesn't change the wisdom of Steve's admonition,
> > > as surely you must know, Authfriend.
> > 
> > Nothing can ever change Steve's wisdom, I agree with
> > you there.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[maskedzebra]

Dear Steve,

Wait for your letter; but I couldn't help myself: This one word is the best 
(and most ironic) response there could be to Barry's ID impersonations. 
Therefore, you realize how far you are from understanding irony when you see it 
[irony]. Had I thought of this one word as a response to Barry's post *I would 
have eagerly seized upon it*.

That is, me, Robin, would have decided this was *better than anything that I 
could come up with* to remain consistent and intelligent in all that I believe 
about Barry.

The problem here, Steve, is you did not understand my essay on irony. If you 
had you would have realized that *it is incidental* if the irony is in the 
service of one's own opinions, biases, predilections-or is against them: for 
something to be ironic, it is only *up to reality itself*. The moment you begin 
to obrain delight in something someone has said about someone else, *there is 
no reality there, Stevie, boy*. For irony impersonalizes everything; puts a 
person into a unknown experience over which they have no control.

Barry did not interface with reality; he only interfaced with himself. Ergo, he 
voided the irony potential altogether. You can't do irony from some conviction 
of feeling--you have to do irony from a strictly disinterested and impartial 
standpoint in the universe: you have to let reality *represent itself*. (Even 
if your starting motive is some strong affect.)

If you loved Barry's posts (re: me and the editor dame) then it certainly was 
"perfection" for YOU. But it had nothing to do with irony, for if Barry's post 
had been suitably and objectively ironic, *you would have had an experience 
over which you had no control*.

Irony only works on *its* terms; it has no favourites.

The irony that Barry attempted failed. And why did it fail, Steve? Because it 
just gave you a great experience of satisfaction that Barry seemed to be 
getting back at Robin and the editor dame. But that is not what irony is all 
about whatsoever; irony has to be so good that the person who deploys it can 
laugh as hard at what he or she has said or written--as if someone else has 
said or written it. And the victim, he or she, too, has to fight not to 
laugh--*at himself or herself*.

There can be no ambiguity when irony is going on, Steve: Barry's post did not 
touch me--*even as I would have been instructed and edified if it had*--and I 
would look forward to that experience.

If you're going to write an anti-Book of Mormon you have to find the same 
metaphysical formula that Stone and Parker found to write their play. But at 
the same time you have to go one level higher. Barry's post was like someone 
going hysterical about the possibly implied atheism of Stone and Parker--and 
calling them names because of this.

What Barry had to do to make it here, Steve, was show that Mormonism on its own 
could make more fun of Stone and Parker's *The Book of Mormon* than the play 
had succeeded in ridiculing the LDS Church.

Irony is an entirely objective phenomenon. It is an equal opportunity 
phenomenon. Which means that Barack Obama could make fun of Mitt Romney; but if 
Mitt was going to have a comeback (if he was as upset as Barry was on behalf of 
his friend), he would have to *take in the irony potency and after-effect of 
the ironic remark of Obama*, and then go one better--or at least hold his own.

Your rejoicing at Barry's post just proved how irony-challenged you are, 
Steve--not from some organic limitation--but from some flaw in your approach to 
reality: you haven't figured out how to look for the complex secret in every 
moment when there is a conflict like this.

While walking this morning (not knowing about your post here) I had the 
thought: I should impersonate myself (as Barry or his friend); in other words 
*attempt exactly what Barry attempted* but show him how it was done. Mock 
myself, then, Steve! I think I could do a pretty good job of it.

And that is the trait one seeks above all in trying to master the art of irony: 
that one ruthlessly sees the contingent possibility of sending oneself up AT 
ANY AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY; therefore one is always in a potentially ironic 
relationship to oneself when one acts in the world--or posts at FFL.

You should consider this idea, Steve. It would save you from the unconscious 
Monty Python grotesquerie of this very post of yours. But that said, I wish I 
had said this very thing.

Much love to you Steve,

Robin

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Perfection!
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> > goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> > bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> > to the two people causing most of it:
> >
> > APOLOGY FROM ROBIN:
> > Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just
> > having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> > myself, that I am nothing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[seventhray1]

Hey, you know.  I kinda changing my tune.   Robin, will you do me. 
Pretty please.

Well, maybe not.  As Curtis says, this stuff is forever.

It's just not kosher.  But at least we now have the ground rules.  The
parodied person can ask not to have it done, but they must,  if asked,
describe what part of the parody they find objectionable.  And of
course, then that would be open to debate.

Does this sound kind of crazy?

Sort of like was this a "legitimate" rape, or a forceable rape?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" 
wrote:
>
> Dear Curtis. Thank you for asking for a re-post of this. I missed it
as well. Objectively, without parsing the details, this is a brilliant
piece of work. Robin has managed, somehow, to capture almost perfectly
his own MO from your perspective and others' actually, although perhaps
not exclusively, as you note. How many people are able to represent so
accurately another's viewpoint of themselves - he must have tried on the
Reality of it all, dontcha think...maybe just one shoe? You must admit
you have made these key points on many occasions, albeit using different
words:
>
> Look, Robin, I think you are a good guy, very sincere and all that;
but you have one fatal flaw: you seek to judge the motivations of other
persons, and not only do you fumble and stumble around (it is actually
quite embarrassing, Robin), but you actually miss hitting the truth of
the person altogether.
>
> You can intuit all you like, Robin, but the act of judging what
someone says by what you believe to be their inner faults, this is not
only inappropriate and offensive--it is the most unreliable form of
truth there could ever be. But beyond this, Robin, it is violation of
the code of human relationships. You have just gone one step too far
here, Robin, in your rather pathetic and unconvincing analysis of irony.
And I don't appreciate your bringing me into your little dance of
self-congratulations.
>
> I would just ask you one more time, Robin: Deal with me on the basis
of what I write. You see, Robin, you can't act as if you are the
knower of what my motives are, my character.
>
> Robin, can't see how you are acting out a little ritual here which has
become so familiar to most of us that at this point it just seems like a
cheap Vegas act--where the audience dwindles every night.
>
> Now, this last oneyour analogies are more creative, but the spirit
is captured. Curtis, you have the skill set to reply in-kind, should you
so choose. If I were you, I wouldn't waste my time responding to Robin's
request to "show" him what about his post *wasn't* an accurate
reflection of your position. Sounds like you might be finished for the
day though; it was a helluva show and thank you for your participation.
It might have been annoying as hell from your seat, but from mine, it
was insanely funny. But, just so you know, I am *not* laughing at your
expense. I thank you for letting Robin get under your skin a bit. It was
good for me Curtis, I hope it was good for you too.
>
> Emily
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> > goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> > bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> > to the two people causing most of it:
> >
> > APOLOGY FROM ROBIN:
> > Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just
> > having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> > myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult
> > wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee
> > cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> > so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that
> > I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed
> > miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> > now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in
> > North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I
> > was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> > all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> > up some shit about you. Sorry.
> > - Robin W. Carlsen
> >
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"
 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"
 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless. Almost. It is at this point
> > > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when the
> > > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down. And succeeds in doing
> > > > > so for a while. I guess that's a difference between that book
> > > > > and FFL. I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a
moment.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy. That could happen
> > > > > you know.
> > > >
> > > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings
> > > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your
> > > > warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" 
wrote:
>
> Dear Barry,
>
> I rescind my judgment here, as I realized you eschewed any irony. My
Curtis posts were charged with irony. You have obviously mortified that
temptation--and I feel certain Susan will sense the virtue of this.
>
> Why not try irony next time, though? I am sure it would be salutary
for me.
>
> Robin
>
> P.S. At least Steve won't be offended by this.

Nay, This was Barry at his best.


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "maskedzebra" maskedzebra@
wrote:
> >
> > Do I really have to ask you not to do this very douchey thing,
Barry, really?
> >
> > OK then I'll ask. Please don't sign my full name at the bottom of
straw men versions
> > of my POV out of respect for the fact that most of us just skim
posts within our
> > otherwise busy days and it is hard enough to keep track without this
in the mix.
> > There were many statements in what you write here, Barry, that I
wouldn't want anyone to
> > think I had generated. If you want to play fast and lose with
accuracy and just
> > assume other people will keep up, please do it at your expense in
the future,not
> > mine. This shit we put up on the Internet is FOREVER. It carries
some
> > responsibilities.
>
> Robin W. Carlsen
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> > > goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> > > bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> > > to the two people causing most of it:
> > >
> > > APOLOGY FROM ROBIN:
> > > Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just
> > > having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> > > myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult
> > > wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee
> > > cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> > > so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that
> > > I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed
> > > miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> > > now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in
> > > North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I
> > > was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> > > all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> > > up some shit about you. Sorry.
> > > - Robin W. Carlsen
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"
 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"
 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless. Almost. It is at this
point
> > > > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when
the
> > > > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down. And succeeds in
doing
> > > > > > so for a while. I guess that's a difference between that
book
> > > > > > and FFL. I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a
moment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy. That could
happen
> > > > > > you know.
> > > > >
> > > > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's
proceedings
> > > > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your
> > > > > warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would
> > > > > ask you, Authfriend, to be careful at this point. Curtis and I
> > > > > understand each other. I don't know you at all. And sometimes
I
> > > > > think you act as if you know me much better than you do. Do
you
> > > > > understand this, Authfriend?
> > > >
> > > > F*ck off, Zebra Baby. I don't give a crap about you and
> > > > your Issues; I'm after Curtis here. Don't get in the way,
> > > > OK? I know you better than I need to.
> > > >
> > > > > You will thank Steve someday for his rebuke here. But funny
> > > > > thing is: the more I write into you, the more I like you!
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, yeah, very funny. Take your levers and hooks and
> > > > grappling irons and go after somebody who hasn't made it
> > > > all the way around the block even once yet.
> > > >
> > > > "Write into you," is that Canada-speak? Hey, I'll tell
> > > > you where you can write into, mister.
> > > >
> > > > > But that doesn't change the wisdom of Steve's admonition,
> > > > > as surely you must know, Authfriend.
> > > >
> > > > Nothing can ever change Steve's wisdom, I agree with
> > > > you there.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[seventhray1]

Perfection!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> to the two people causing most of it:
>
> APOLOGY FROM ROBIN:
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just
> having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult
> wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee
> cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that
> I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed
> miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in
> North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I
> was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> up some shit about you. Sorry.
> - Robin W. Carlsen
>
> APOLOGY FROM JUDY:
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I'm a
> bat shit crazy old woman with nothing going on in
> my life and it really, really, really gets my panties
> in a twist to see anyone liking or supporting anyone
> I've spent years telling them that they shouldn't
> like. When that happens I see red and go a little
> crazier than usual, because it reminds me what an
> *ineffectual* crazy person I am. All these years,
> working with an audience not nearly as smart as I
> am, and I *still* couldn't make them hate the people
> I wanted them to hate. Realizing all this just got
> me down, that's all, so I needed to go a little
> more bat shit crazy than usual.
> - Judy Stein
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"
 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless. Almost. It is at this point
> > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when the
> > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down. And succeeds in doing
> > > > so for a while. I guess that's a difference between that book
> > > > and FFL. I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a moment.
> > > >
> > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy. That could happen
> > > > you know.
> > >
> > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings
> > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your
> > > warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would
> > > ask you, Authfriend, to be careful at this point. Curtis and I
> > > understand each other. I don't know you at all. And sometimes I
> > > think you act as if you know me much better than you do. Do you
> > > understand this, Authfriend?
> >
> > F*ck off, Zebra Baby. I don't give a crap about you and
> > your Issues; I'm after Curtis here. Don't get in the way,
> > OK? I know you better than I need to.
> >
> > > You will thank Steve someday for his rebuke here. But funny
> > > thing is: the more I write into you, the more I like you!
> >
> > Yeah, yeah, very funny. Take your levers and hooks and
> > grappling irons and go after somebody who hasn't made it
> > all the way around the block even once yet.
> >
> > "Write into you," is that Canada-speak? Hey, I'll tell
> > you where you can write into, mister.
> >
> > > But that doesn't change the wisdom of Steve's admonition,
> > > as surely you must know, Authfriend.
> >
> > Nothing can ever change Steve's wisdom, I agree with
> > you there.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Robin Carlsen]

http://tinyurl.com/9vxpwtr 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> to the two people causing most of it:
> 
> APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: 
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just 
> having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult 
> wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee 
> cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that 
> I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed 
> miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in 
> North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I 
> was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> up some shit about you. Sorry.
> - Robin W. Carlsen
> 
> APOLOGY FROM JUDY:
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I'm a 
> bat shit crazy old woman with nothing going on in
> my life and it really, really, really gets my panties
> in a twist to see anyone liking or supporting anyone
> I've spent years telling them that they shouldn't
> like. When that happens I see red and go a little
> crazier than usual, because it reminds me what an
> *ineffectual* crazy person I am. All these years,
> working with an audience not nearly as smart as I
> am, and I *still* couldn't make them hate the people
> I wanted them to hate. Realizing all this just got
> me down, that's all, so I needed to go a little 
> more bat shit crazy than usual.
> - Judy Stein
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless.  Almost.  It is at this point
> > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when the 
> > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down.  And succeeds in doing
> > > > so for a while.  I guess that's a difference between that book 
> > > > and FFL.  I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a moment.
> > > > 
> > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy.  That could happen 
> > > > you know.
> > > 
> > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings 
> > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your 
> > > warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would
> > > ask you, Authfriend, to be careful at this point. Curtis and I 
> > > understand each other. I don't know you at all. And sometimes I
> > > think you act as if you know me much better than you do. Do you 
> > > understand this, Authfriend?
> > 
> > F*ck off, Zebra Baby. I don't give a crap about you and
> > your Issues; I'm after Curtis here. Don't get in the way,
> > OK? I know you better than I need to.
> > 
> > > You will thank Steve someday for his rebuke here. But funny
> > > thing is: the more I write into you, the more I like you!
> > 
> > Yeah, yeah, very funny. Take your levers and hooks and
> > grappling irons and go after somebody who hasn't made it
> > all the way around the block even once yet.
> > 
> > "Write into you," is that Canada-speak? Hey, I'll tell
> > you where you can write into, mister.
> > 
> > > But that doesn't change the wisdom of Steve's admonition,
> > > as surely you must know, Authfriend.
> > 
> > Nothing can ever change Steve's wisdom, I agree with
> > you there.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Robin Carlsen]

Dear Curtis.  Thank you for asking for a re-post of this.  I missed it as well. 
 Objectively, without parsing the details, this is a brilliant piece of work. 
Robin has managed, somehow, to capture almost perfectly his own MO from your 
perspective and others' actually, although perhaps not exclusively, as you 
note.  How many people are able to represent so accurately another's viewpoint 
of themselves - he must have tried on the Reality of it all, dontcha 
think...maybe just one shoe? You must admit you have made these key points on 
many occasions, albeit using different words:

Look, Robin, I think you are a good guy, very sincere and all that; but you 
have one fatal flaw: you seek to judge the motivations of other persons, and 
not only do you fumble and stumble around (it is actually quite embarrassing, 
Robin), but you actually miss hitting the truth of the person altogether. 

You can intuit all you like, Robin, but the act of judging what someone says by 
what you believe to be their inner faults, this is not only inappropriate and 
offensive--it is the most unreliable form of truth there could ever be. But 
beyond this, Robin, it is violation of the code of human relationships. You 
have just gone one step too far here, Robin, in your rather pathetic and 
unconvincing analysis of irony. And I don't appreciate your bringing me into 
your little dance of self-congratulations.

I would just ask you one more time, Robin: Deal with me on the basis of what I 
write. You see, Robin, you can't act as if you are the knower of what 
my motives are, my character. 
 
Robin, can't see how you are acting out a little ritual here which has become 
so familiar to most of us that at this point it just seems like a cheap Vegas 
act--where the audience dwindles every night. 

Now, this last oneyour analogies are more creative, but the spirit is 
captured.  Curtis, you have the skill set to reply in-kind, should you so 
choose. If I were you, I wouldn't waste my time responding to Robin's request 
to "show" him what about his post *wasn't* an accurate reflection of your 
position. Sounds like you might be finished for the day though; it was a 
helluva show and thank you for your participation.  It might have been annoying 
as hell from your seat, but from mine, it was insanely funny.  But, just so you 
know, I am *not* laughing at your expense.  I thank you for letting Robin get 
under your skin a bit.  It was good for me Curtis, I hope it was good for you 
too. 

 Emily


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> to the two people causing most of it:
> 
> APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: 
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just 
> having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult 
> wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee 
> cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that 
> I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed 
> miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in 
> North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I 
> was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> up some shit about you. Sorry.
> - Robin W. Carlsen
> 

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless.  Almost.  It is at this point
> > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when the 
> > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down.  And succeeds in doing
> > > > so for a while.  I guess that's a difference between that book 
> > > > and FFL.  I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a moment.
> > > > 
> > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy.  That could happen 
> > > > you know.
> > > 
> > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings 
> > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your 
> > > warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would
> > > ask you, Authfriend, to be careful at this point. Curtis and I 
> > > understand each other. I don't know you at all. And sometimes I
> > > think you act as if you know me much better than you do. Do you 
> > > understand this, Authfriend?
> > 
> > F*ck off, Zebra Baby. I don't give a crap about you and
> > your Issues; I'm after Curtis here. Don't get in the way,
> > OK? I know you better than I need to.
> > 
> > > You will thank Steve someday for his rebuke here. But funny
> > > thing is: the more I write into you, the more I like you!
> > 
> > Yeah, yeah, very funny. Take your levers and hooks a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[Robin Carlsen]

Dear Barry,

I rescind my judgment here, as I realized you eschewed any irony. My Curtis 
posts were charged with irony. You have obviously mortified that 
temptation--and I feel certain Susan will sense the virtue of this.

Why not try irony next time, though? I am sure it would be salutary for me.

Robin

P.S. At least Steve won't be offended by this.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "maskedzebra"  wrote:
>
> Do I really have to ask you not to do this very douchey thing, Barry, really?
> 
> OK then I'll ask. Please don't sign my full name at the bottom of straw men 
> versions
> of my POV out of respect for the fact that most of us just skim posts within 
> our
> otherwise busy days and it is hard enough to keep track without this in the 
> mix.
> There were many statements in what you write here, Barry, that I wouldn't 
> want anyone to
> think I had generated. If you want to play fast and lose with accuracy and 
> just
> assume other people will keep up, please do it at your expense in the 
> future,not
> mine. This shit we put up on the Internet is FOREVER. It carries some
> responsibilities.
 
Robin W. Carlsen 
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> > goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> > bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> > to the two people causing most of it:
> > 
> > APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: 
> > Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just 
> > having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> > myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult 
> > wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee 
> > cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> > so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that 
> > I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed 
> > miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> > now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in 
> > North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I 
> > was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> > all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> > up some shit about you. Sorry.
> > - Robin W. Carlsen
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless.  Almost.  It is at this point
> > > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when the 
> > > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down.  And succeeds in doing
> > > > > so for a while.  I guess that's a difference between that book 
> > > > > and FFL.  I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a moment.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy.  That could happen 
> > > > > you know.
> > > > 
> > > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings 
> > > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your 
> > > > warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would
> > > > ask you, Authfriend, to be careful at this point. Curtis and I 
> > > > understand each other. I don't know you at all. And sometimes I
> > > > think you act as if you know me much better than you do. Do you 
> > > > understand this, Authfriend?
> > > 
> > > F*ck off, Zebra Baby. I don't give a crap about you and
> > > your Issues; I'm after Curtis here. Don't get in the way,
> > > OK? I know you better than I need to.
> > > 
> > > > You will thank Steve someday for his rebuke here. But funny
> > > > thing is: the more I write into you, the more I like you!
> > > 
> > > Yeah, yeah, very funny. Take your levers and hooks and
> > > grappling irons and go after somebody who hasn't made it
> > > all the way around the block even once yet.
> > > 
> > > "Write into you," is that Canada-speak? Hey, I'll tell
> > > you where you can write into, mister.
> > > 
> > > > But that doesn't change the wisdom of Steve's admonition,
> > > > as surely you must know, Authfriend.
> > > 
> > > Nothing can ever change Steve's wisdom, I agree with
> > > you there.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies from Robin and Judy

[maskedzebra]

Do I really have to ask you not to do this very douchey thing, Barry, really?

OK then I'll ask. Please don't sign my full name at the bottom of straw men 
versions
of my POV out of respect for the fact that most of us just skim posts within our
otherwise busy days and it is hard enough to keep track without this in the mix.
There were many statements in what you write here, Barry, that I wouldn't want 
anyone to
think I had generated. If you want to play fast and lose with accuracy and just
assume other people will keep up, please do it at your expense in the future,not
mine. This shit we put up on the Internet is FOREVER. It carries some
responsibilities.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Wow. Take a night off from Fairfield Life and it
> goes officially Bat Shit Crazy. I think that the
> bottom line on all this insanity should be given
> to the two people causing most of it:
> 
> APOLOGY FROM ROBIN: 
> Please forgive me, Curtis, and everyone. I was just 
> having a bad night, after realizing the truth about
> myself, that I am nothing more than a minor cult 
> wannabee who spent a few years in a minor wannabee 
> cult. And that I finally became so narcissistic and
> so deluded in that cult that I began to imagine that 
> I had the moxie to start my own cult. I failed 
> miserably at that, and was laughed out of town, and
> now I'm nothing. In the history of spirituality in 
> North America, I don't even deserve a footnote; I 
> was that minor and that passing a fad. Realizing
> all this just got me down, that's all, so I made
> up some shit about you. Sorry.
> - Robin W. Carlsen

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Judy, you do leave me speechless.  Almost.  It is at this point
> > > > I reflect on the last Narnia book, "The Last Battle", when the 
> > > > ape "Shift" turns the truth upside down.  And succeeds in doing
> > > > so for a while.  I guess that's a difference between that book 
> > > > and FFL.  I don't think anyone is fooled here, even for a moment.
> > > > 
> > > > I hope Robin doesn't turn on you here Judy.  That could happen 
> > > > you know.
> > > 
> > > ROBIN: Actually, this is the only moment in today's proceedings 
> > > where I feel you have hit a nerve, Steve. And I believe your 
> > > warning to Authfriend both timely and even portentous. I would
> > > ask you, Authfriend, to be careful at this point. Curtis and I 
> > > understand each other. I don't know you at all. And sometimes I
> > > think you act as if you know me much better than you do. Do you 
> > > understand this, Authfriend?
> > 
> > F*ck off, Zebra Baby. I don't give a crap about you and
> > your Issues; I'm after Curtis here. Don't get in the way,
> > OK? I know you better than I need to.
> > 
> > > You will thank Steve someday for his rebuke here. But funny
> > > thing is: the more I write into you, the more I like you!
> > 
> > Yeah, yeah, very funny. Take your levers and hooks and
> > grappling irons and go after somebody who hasn't made it
> > all the way around the block even once yet.
> > 
> > "Write into you," is that Canada-speak? Hey, I'll tell
> > you where you can write into, mister.
> > 
> > > But that doesn't change the wisdom of Steve's admonition,
> > > as surely you must know, Authfriend.
> > 
> > Nothing can ever change Steve's wisdom, I agree with
> > you there.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies in advance for having a life

[mahavid3h]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
>  As always, I reserve 
> the right to not comment on the comments; I said what 
> I had to say in my first posts, and probably will feel 
> neither the need to defend it nor the desire to expand 
> upon it.

Basically I reserve the same right for myself, understanding you fully well. I 
also have a life, and even though I am not joining the beach dance party, or 
the mens underwear sit-in, but I have priorities other then FFL, or may have to 
travel from time to time.

I also like to think of posts here as having a 'dialog with myself' - as you 
recently so nicely suggested - that means, don't expect anything in terms of 
response, it is utterly illusiory. I learn by dialoging, and anybody who wants 
to participate, is most welcome. It is one way of reaching out to the 'other' 
(never to be obtained or understood completely) ;-) And, yes this is late, but 
- enjoy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies in advance for having a life

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> I posted a few things today in my traditional Sunday 
> cafe raps that may draw comment. As always, I reserve 
> the right to not comment on the comments; I said what 
> I had to say in my first posts, and probably will feel 
> neither the need to defend it nor the desire to expand 
> upon it.

Translation: After all, I made most of it up, and the
rest is full of REELY STOPID mistakes and
slapdash thinking, so they'd be awfully tough to defend.
Plus which, I spent five hours of my day beavering away
writing those six long posts, and I don't want to have
to confront the fact that nobody responded to them
(except Judy, but she's a nonperson, even though four
of the six posts are *about* her).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies in advance for having a life

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB:
> I posted a few things today in my traditional 
> Sunday cafe raps...
>
So, you went to a cafe Sunday.

Around town:
http://tinyurl.com/d8h68m

Tejano Music Awards
Municipal Auditorium
June 11, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Jim Cullum Jazz Band
The Landing on the Riverwalk
June 11, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Asleep at the Wheel
June 11, 2010
Mi Casa Cantina
Boerne, Texas

Weird Al Yankovich
Sunken Garden Theater
July 24, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Charlie Daniels Band
Majestic Theater
August 1, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Carrie Underwood
AT&T Center
October 7, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Patti Labelle
Majestic Theater
August 14, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Asia
Majestic Theater
August 23, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Foreigner
Whitwater Amphitheater
August 28, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Rush
AT&T Center
September 23, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Shakira
Toyota Center
October 8, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

B.B. King
Majestic Theater
October 10, 2010
San Antonio, Texas

Robert Plant
Mitchell Pavilion
July 26, 2010
Austin, Texas

Joan Baez
Stubb's
August 6, 2010
Austin, Texas

Black Crowes
Stubb's
September 25, 2010

Aerosmith
Mitchell Pavilion
August 5, 2010
Houston, Texas

Brad Paisley
Mitchell Pavilion
August 6, 2010
Houston, Texas

Christina Aguilere
Mitchell Pavilion
August 7, 2010
Houston, Texas

Sheryl Crow
Mitchell Pavilion
August 27, 2010
Houston, Texas

John Mayer
Mitchell Pavilion
September 5, 2010
Houston, Texas

ZZ Top
Mitchell Pavilion
September 24, 2010
Houston, Texas

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies in advance for having a life

[John]

Don't do anything I wouldn't do.  And, let us know if rumours of your demise 
has been greatly exaggerated.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> I posted a few things today in my traditional Sunday 
> cafe raps that may draw comment. As always, I reserve 
> the right to not comment on the comments; I said what 
> I had to say in my first posts, and probably will feel 
> neither the need to defend it nor the desire to expand 
> upon it.
> 
> But this is even more true today, because I suffer from 
> the heartbreaking samskara of having a life. 
> 
> Today is a kinda Big Deal in Sitges, having-a-life-wise. 
> I mean, not only is Spain playing in the final game of 
> the World Cup tonight, the Gay Pride thang is going on, 
> meaning that one can also attend the High Heel Race, the 
> Sunday Cabaret Drag Show, the Miss Drag Queen Sitges 
> contest, or a concert by performer Jose Galisteo on the 
> promenade, followed by dancing on the beach. Less appeal-
> ing to me personally is the late-night Underwear Party 
> at the Man Bar.
> 
> Like Chauncey Gardner, "I like to watch." Today in Sitges 
> is a veritable voyeur's paradise. So this is notice that 
> whether you come up with a thoughtful response to something 
> I wrote this morning, whether you come up with a stinging 
> and devastating rebuttal to it, or (more likely and more 
> wisely) just ignore anything I said as just more meaning-
> less cafe drivel, I'm not gonna be here.
> 
> In a few minutes I'm going to be heading out to have lunch 
> with some good friends, then watch the High Heel Race, then 
> watch the game, and afterward hopefully check out some of 
> the other loco mayor (major crazy) going on around town. 
> Especially if Spain wins. 
> 
> I think it'll be fun. And I'm sorry, but fun trumps almost 
> everything else for me, especially "keeping up on FFL." 
> See you either late tonight or tomorrow, if I survive the 
> beach dancing at my age. And if I don't, so long and thanks 
> for all the fish.  :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies in advance for having a life

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


  ..I think it'll be fun. And I'm sorry, but fun trumps almost 
everything else for me, ...
Hey ( young)dude over there:
YES,  that's the right  spirit of ZEN:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/251251
Hey dude don't make it bad
Hey dude don't be afraid
hope You still have  your bottle of " Mas de Masos " for this occasion
http://www.capafons-osso.com/eng/index_esp.html

TurquoiseB  wrote:"..if I survive the beach dancing .."
You're waiting for someone to perform with
And don't you know that it's just you
Hey dude you'll do
watching
Ibiza - Bora Bora Beach Bar - WM 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMf29cPgrU4

  we may ask :Do we have to   be worried about your heart and other
circulationary condition? therefore take care... [:D]
we haven't made your tombstone yet -with your desired inscription:
"Here lies Barry Wright.
Dude really made us laugh."


so:And any time you feel the pain,
Hey dude, refrain

and do not forget you promised "to watch" only ...uuups...like your
mentor the gardener JeJa (Jerry Jarvis), who  BTW will be now  already
on his recertification  course
h on second thought
may be you should give him the bottle of " Mas de Masos "..?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: apologies to foufou

[Vaj]

On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:12 PM, foufou_fl wrote: And what is the trip of this St. Germaine guy using all of these aliases? Shakesphere, Washington, etc. Jeez, why doesn't the guy use his real name. Why does he hide behind aliases? Probably because he was Jewish before the emancipation of the Jews in Europe. Not an easy thing in that day, esp. when you are galavanting with royalty and "high society".





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[FairfieldLife] Re: apologies to foufou

[foufou_fl]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I did not mean to offend. I'm sorry. Sometimes I am a little too 
> rude.


No problem. I didn't really take it as an insult. A guy named foufou
doesn't insult easily.
 
When people ask me who I am, I answer, Je suis (I am) foufou.

Which gets us to Decartes: "Je pense donc je suis" (I think therefore
I am).

I say, "Je pense, donc je suis foufou"

Thats my philosophy -- to assume I am crazy from my thoughts -- or in
other words, to start by assuming all my thoughts are crazy. Guilty
until proven innocent. This  requires me to prove that a particular
thought has merit and is not "foufou" before I banter it about. 

Which is just the opposite of most people, who assume that every
thought they have is true -- and near genuius -- just because it
appeared. Which is a more crazy way to live life?

Another point on Decartes. He helped consolidate the view that our
identities are tied to our thoughts: essentially "I am because I have
thoughts."  
 
A repercussion of this is that when people's thoughts are criticized,
people actually feel they are being criticized. This is exacerbated
when "they" are indentified with an ego, a thinker, a doer . Thus, a
thought is criticized and by chain reaction, their already small
"identity" gets even smaller. So they fight back. Often irrationally.
They don't ponder or "attack" the criticism, but the criticizer.

And what is the trip of this St. Germaine guy using all of these
aliases? Shakesphere, Washington, etc. Jeez, why doesn't the guy use
his real name. Why does he hide behind aliases?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to group/Michael Dean Goodman

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My imitation of Peter posting on FFLife:
> 
> Crawl you scurulous dog!Crawl you scurulous dog!Crawl you scurulous
> dog!Crawl you scurulous dog!Crawl you scurulous dog!Crawl you
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frozen in time?

PS I think you're busted...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to group/Michael Dean Goodman

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error

[TurquoiseB]

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> But I am glad it didn't happen. Otherwise, Barry or others would
> probably be labeling you "the bitch doctor", with glee. Though of
> course I would find such remarks repugnant.

I try to never label doctors because I might need
one someday, and they've got a tight networking
thang. I don't want to walk into an office with
the flu and be told, "Aren't you the guy who
labeled Dr. Pete in Florida? We'll be with you
next Thursday."  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I also like to be garlanded with bija mantras:
> 
> Om Shrim Klim,Hrim,Gum Dr. PLS.. 

Do you mandate that of your patients, or simply make it optional?

(Do you charge the ones that don't garland your name an extra $20 / hr?)


Your parents missed naming you Dr. PMS by one letter. Though I guess
the upside would be you would have have a swelling clientele. 

But I am glad it didn't happen. Otherwise, Barry or others would
probably be labeling you "the bitch doctor", with glee. Though of
course I would find such remarks repugnant.






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> > Thanks. I have also referred to you as Dr. PS. I
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> > comfortable moniker for you.
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> > M.
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> > > > I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I
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> > > > the spelling before citing you -- in what I
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> > > > a great quote.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error

[Peter]

I also like to be garlanded with bija mantras:

Om Shrim Klim,Hrim,Gum Dr. PLS..

--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks. I have also referred to you as Dr. PS. I
> hope that is a
> comfortable moniker for you.
> 
> But, I do pray to God that your middle inital is not
> M.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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> > 
> > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I
> > > should have checked
> > > the spelling before citing you -- in what I
> think is
> > > a great quote.
> > > ("cant deconstruct others experiences"
> > 
> > A common mistake. You should see how my students
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> > my name. The best was, "Tufin"!!!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error

[anonymousff]

Thanks. I have also referred to you as Dr. PS. I hope that is a
comfortable moniker for you.

But, I do pray to God that your middle inital is not M.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> A common mistake. You should see how my students spell
> my name. The best was, "Tufin"!!!







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