[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:
You're a beguiling guy, MZ, a seducer, a lover, a Minotaur, no less, luring the
unsuspecting into your labyrinth of delicious words. It was post no. 281584 you
recall. Reading your posts just after your arrival here stimulated me actually
to write something thoughtful that was longer than two sentences. No, I do not
see you as dogmatic but as someone who rides gigantic tidal waves of feeling
intellect (the phrase is not mine but Wordsworth's) wherever they happen to go
and then proclaims the truth as it appears to you from whatever metaphysical
beachhead you find yourself newly occupying. Before the next tidal wave comes .
. . Old men should be explorers, wrote Yeats, and, although we are surely not
yet old, Yeats was also, surely, right.

Dear feste37,

I never knew (it doesn't quite fit with my idea of him) Wordsworth put those 
two words together: feeling intellect. And when you say of me: No, I do not 
see you as dogmatic but as someone who rides gigantic tidal waves of 'feeling 
intellect' . . . wherever they happen to go and then proclaims the truth as it 
appears to you from whatever metaphysical beachhead you find yourself newly 
occupying I think you hit upon something very large in my life, and in my 
intention, feste37. I would go further: this description of what I am doing 
when I write seems as accurate to my experience as it is possible to be. To the 
point that I felt, when I first read it: Do you realize this is what you are 
doing, Robin?

It is a problematic and quite possibly treacherous venture to claim someone has 
identified something so salient and intimate about one's self, about one's 
hidden purposes, about the actual process that is taking place within one when 
one writes—for I might become self-conscious when I next go to write, 
remembering that feste37 has observed and objectified what it is that I am 
doing.

In any event, feste37 I think it only appropriate here that I just exclaim how 
much of an insight this is into me. And what I have been about every since I 
can remember. I think, however, that these tidal waves of feeling intellect 
might not be the most valid way of getting at the truth: perhaps reason should 
be more dominant in its influence. But, then, I have always found myself even 
reading philosophy with my heart. I think there is something subjective about 
my writing which does not entirely meet the standards I abstractly would aspire 
to in setting out the ideal context of experience when one writes. But on the 
other hand I firmly believe that one's first person ontology (what it is like 
to be the person we and only we are) gets into one's writing, no matter how 
much we might try to conceal this. And I feel very vividly my first person 
ontology when I compose a post on FFL.

I think you have hit upon something quite remarkable here—although the 
beguiling guy . . .  a seducer, a lover, a Minotaur no less, luring the 
unsuspecting into my labyrinth of delicious words will seem (perhaps) that I 
am designedly after something from the reader that I cannot acquire by more 
sober and chastely means. But I am more or less rendered helpless before the 
beguilement of how you have caught me in your net of imagination and 
perception. And I am grateful for the experience of myself that you have given 
me by this, feste37. I hope some of my less friendly readers will not choke on 
this exchange.

Marvellous stuff, feste37. There is in you a quality of loving intelligence at 
work here. 


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Dear Feste37: Don't listen to Judy: she is just having fun. She is not 
  serious. Don't believe a word she says. And by the way, *this* post of 
  yours outdoes them all. Are you not afraid your steeping yourself in this 
  art—Irony—might take away some of that purity and innocence which was so 
  much the signature of you when I first responded to you? Then—many months 
  ago—you convinced me of the validity of the marriage of East and 
  West—something I would not have thought possible up to that moment. This is 
  one of those first person ontology meets third person ontology (The 
  omnisubjectivity of the Personal God and the pure consciousness of the 
  Impersonal God) coincidences—embodied in the context of your post (from 
  waybackwhen—July of 2011?). I carry the memory of that event. Because it 
  tended to suggest I was being a little dogmatic. Remember that?
  
  Anyway, assuming you are lighting us all up here, this is superb. But just 
  in case you are on the level, I shall guard against unwittingly obeying the 
  will of a supernatural power—Judy—whose authority over me I had hardly 
  recognized.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
  
   
   
   This is harder to understand than a John le Carre spy novel. Is MZ, then, 
   no more than a hapless tool in the hands of the Higher Powers that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[merudanda]

dear Emily
there is no secret everybody know you are a gem here at the Fairy Field
Life(forever)
always love your post and the genuine feeling behind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38feature=related

just want you to know

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@...
wrote:

 Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing
came up in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you
do.

 Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw
you post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of
internet freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings
of being targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words
that you felt could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched
you decide to stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call
of individual posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or
forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at
face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as
devious or deceptive or the like - not in this case, at least.  I
noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor.  I
read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself.  I read your
post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's
response, which was an almost perfect reflection of
  Robin's post, IMO.

 Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his
mental state and without condemning him or you, I understand you
deciding to protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of
the overall situation and given its length).  We all have that right and
no one should be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what
others think or how it is interpreted.  That's one of the great things
about FFL - it challenges one's reality and one's belief system (at
least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one is afraid to
post or is in defense mode all the time.  My personal feeling is that
Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by
altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He
chose not to - stating more than once that he was in complete control
and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the middle
somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he is
  a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior
here towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I
understand that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As
compared to the world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged
here is an enormous gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this
philosophy daily.  I am glad that you didn't unsubscribe.

 For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a
side.  I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't
think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the
position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior
towards them.  It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights
and push all of us to explore our humanness and the pitfalls of
hypocritical behavior and dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love
and pain, etc.

 Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur
/ the Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of
self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song
sung by a beautiful voice.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M



 
  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts



 -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
  Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top
list by his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is
absolutely preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you.

 Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional
that ended in the factual statement I made.

  He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child,
but that is all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the
legal term.  If you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to
google?  All of their search results are data mined. I know this too.

 Do me a favor.  Don't ever play with me.  We have different
standards of fun. So was Barry playing with you or was he being sadistic
as charged?  That might help me clarify your standards better.  I'll CC
the president on in my Google letter and I'm sure it will get cleared up
immediately. They have a lot

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

Merudanda, thank you for sending this.  How funny that Bruch composed Kol 
Nidrei.  I had no idea.  



 From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 

  
dear Emily
there is no secret everybody know you are a gem here at the Fairy Field 
Life(forever)
always love your post and the genuine feeling behind

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38feature=related
just want you to know

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
 in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
 
 Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you post 
 statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
 freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
 targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
 could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to stand 
 up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for 
 a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent 
 into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe 
 your overall strategy as devious or deceptive or the like - not in this 
 case, at least.  I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with 
 humor.  I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself.  I read 
 your post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's 
 response, which was an almost perfect reflection of
  Robin's post, IMO.
 
 Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
 state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect 
 and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and 
 given its length).  We all have that right and no one should be afraid to 
 state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is 
 interpreted.  That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's 
 reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process 
 can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time.  My 
 personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even 
 repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be 
 here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was in complete 
 control and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the 
 middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he
 is
  a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
 towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand 
 that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world 
 at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to 
 its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am glad that 
 you didn't unsubscribe.  
 
 For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a side.  
 I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any 
 less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that 
 Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them.  It 
 doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to 
 explore our humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical behavior and 
 dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love and pain, etc.
 
 Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / the 
 Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of 
 self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song sung 
 by a beautiful voice.  
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M
 
 
 
 
  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 
 
   
 -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
  Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
  his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely 
  preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you.
 
 Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that 
 ended in the factual statement I made.
 
  He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that 
  is all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term.  
  If you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google?  All of 
  their search

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

Curtis, that was great - thanks for sending.  I also liked Kill the Old Grey 
Mule.  So, I was trying to look Belton up..not much out there but found this 
writeup from Alan Lomax's recording efforts which is pretty good. I liked Kill 
the Old Grey Mule as well.  

I'm going to have to see this documentary - gives me a reason to buy a TV that 
actually works.

The land where the blues began.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4AX2wZAiWs


From:  Visual Anthropology Review Volume 17 Number 2 Fall-Winter 2001-2002 17 

More important than recording technique was Alan’s (Lomax)
intuition; he was gifted with exceptional taste in music.
He could quickly find the best performers, the most
important songs, and the most remarkable performances.
He was never able to explain it, and was irritated
to be questioned on the subject. I suspect that in addition
to responding to the music, Alan picked up kinesic clues
from the audience that validated his perceptions.


Once in Mississippi in the mid-1980s, after it
became known that we were filming, performers would
find us and play for Alan. He told me the worst ones
come forward, the community pushes the better ones
forward, and the phenomenal ones sulk in the background
until you notice them. A few days later, on the
last day of the trip, we had been filming all day and most
of the night, when Alan noticed a man with a guitar
scowling at us. Alan asked him to sing, and Belton
Sutherland sat down and gave us two songs. We had
never heard of him before and never heard of him after,
but his rough guitar and expectorated lyric—kill the old
grey mule, burn down a white man’s barn—is one of
the most emotional moments in the film The Land Where
the Blues Began.





From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 If you feel inspired at any point, post some blues or bluesy / jazzy 
 pieces...only the enlightened ones of course :)

This is as enlightened as it gets.  Thanks for asking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6jjNRUqPxgfeature=related

 
 Signed - MusicbeggarsRus
 
 
 
  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 
 
   
 Hi Emily,
 
 Thanks for such a sincere post.  I appreciate it.  What he achieved was to 
 link the two words only. My single name is fine.  Given his interest in me 
 offline, which I have not detailed, it was heading nowhere good.  But I am 
 optimistic that I dodged a bullet and am gunna be just fine.  It was a 
 wake-up call for me though. I'll never let things go that far again here. 
 
 It was fortunate for me that he simultaneously decided to go after someone 
 else's real name that day.  That was what tipped the scale or we would not be 
 having this chat right now.
 
 I don't share your view of his value or insights but if you got something 
 good from him, more power to you.  I suspect without all the enlightenment 
 story he wouldn't have lasted so long.  I can't see an atheist coming on this 
 board and communicating with people that way and getting away with it.
 
 There was no devious strategy, I was tying to survive it day by day and was 
 learning as I went along. Ultimately he was just some dude with a computer 
 who wished me ill.  And fortunately for me he shot himself in the foot.  I 
 really enjoy not seeing F and MF bombs lobbed my way each morning when I 
 check in. It seems much more sane.
 
 I appreciate what you are saying about not feeling limited to any side.  I 
 couldn't agree more. I appreciate the feeling of your post.
 
 My dad traded Christmas cards with Perry Como till he died.  It was one of 
 those celebrity kindnesses that he did off of some casual contact, but it 
 made my dad feel very special.  Thanks for posting that.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
  in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
  
  Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you 
  post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
  freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
  targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
  could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to 
  stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual 
  posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote 
  an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[merudanda]

funny?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@...
wrote:

 Merudanda, thank you for sending this.  How funny that Bruch composed
Kol Nidrei.  I had no idea.


 
  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:12 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
(Curtis)



 dear Emily
 there is no secret everybody know you are a gem here at the Fairy
Field Life(forever)
 always love your post and the genuine feeling behind


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38feature=related
 just want you to know

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing
came up in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you
do.
 
  Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw
you post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of
internet freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings
of being targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words
that you felt could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched
you decide to stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call
of individual posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or
forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at
face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as
devious or deceptive or the like - not in this case, at least.  I
noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor.  I
read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself.  I read your
post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's
response, which was an almost perfect reflection of
   Robin's post, IMO.
 
  Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his
mental state and without condemning him or you, I understand you
deciding to protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of
the overall situation and given its length).  We all have that right and
no one should be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what
others think or how it is interpreted.  That's one of the great things
about FFL - it challenges one's reality and one's belief system (at
least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one is afraid to
post or is in defense mode all the time.  My personal feeling is that
Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by
altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He
chose not to - stating more than once that he was in complete control
and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the middle
somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he
  is
   a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior
here towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I
understand that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As
compared to the world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged
here is an enormous gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this
philosophy daily.  I am glad that you didn't unsubscribe.
 
  For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a
side.  I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't
think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the
position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior
towards them.  It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights
and push all of us to explore our humanness and the pitfalls of
hypocritical behavior and dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love
and pain, etc.
 
  Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom
Kippur / the Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger
context of self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a
beautiful song sung by a beautiful voice.
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M
 
 
 
  
   From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's
posts
 
 
 
  -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
   Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google
top list by his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is
absolutely preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you.
 
  Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech
professional that ended in the factual statement I made.
 
   He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child,
but that is all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the
legal term.  If you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to
google?  All of their search

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[curtisdeltablues]

That was my litmus test to see if you dig the kind of blues I crave Emily.  I'm 
really glad you appreciated him.

Here is another gem performance from the documentary, Jack Owens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKhYLft6_p4feature=related


You can see this whole wonderful documentary for free here:

http://www.folkstreams.net/film,109


Then if you are still interested you can see my favorite personal blues doc of 
all time about Peg Leg Sam:

http://www.folkstreams.net/film,1

It is life affirming in the most entertaining possible way. An number of people 
here have seen it, I posted it a few years ago.

Have fun, I envy you seeing these for the first time.




 






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Curtis, that was great - thanks for sending.  I also liked Kill the Old Grey 
 Mule.  So, I was trying to look Belton up..not much out there but found this 
 writeup from Alan Lomax's recording efforts which is pretty good. I liked 
 Kill the Old Grey Mule as well.  
 
 I'm going to have to see this documentary - gives me a reason to buy a TV 
 that actually works.
 
 The land where the blues began.
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4AX2wZAiWs
 
 
 From:  Visual Anthropology Review Volume 17 Number 2 Fall-Winter 2001-2002 
 17 
 
 More important than recording technique was Alan’s (Lomax)
 intuition; he was gifted with exceptional taste in music.
 He could quickly find the best performers, the most
 important songs, and the most remarkable performances.
 He was never able to explain it, and was irritated
 to be questioned on the subject. I suspect that in addition
 to responding to the music, Alan picked up kinesic clues
 from the audience that validated his perceptions.
 
 
 Once in Mississippi in the mid-1980s, after it
 became known that we were filming, performers would
 find us and play for Alan. He told me the worst ones
 come forward, the community pushes the better ones
 forward, and the phenomenal ones sulk in the background
 until you notice them. A few days later, on the
 last day of the trip, we had been filming all day and most
 of the night, when Alan noticed a man with a guitar
 scowling at us. Alan asked him to sing, and Belton
 Sutherland sat down and gave us two songs. We had
 never heard of him before and never heard of him after,
 but his rough guitar and expectorated lyricâ€kill the old
 grey mule, burn down a white man’s barnâ€is one of
 the most emotional moments in the film The Land Where
 the Blues Began.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  If you feel inspired at any point, post some blues or bluesy / jazzy 
  pieces...only the enlightened ones of course :)
 
 This is as enlightened as it gets.  Thanks for asking:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6jjNRUqPxgfeature=related
 
  
  Signed - MusicbeggarsRus
  
  
  
   From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:34 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts 
  (Curtis)
  
  
    
  Hi Emily,
  
  Thanks for such a sincere post.  I appreciate it.  What he achieved was 
  to link the two words only. My single name is fine.  Given his interest 
  in me offline, which I have not detailed, it was heading nowhere 
  good.  But I am optimistic that I dodged a bullet and am gunna be just 
  fine.  It was a wake-up call for me though. I'll never let things go that 
  far again here. 
  
  It was fortunate for me that he simultaneously decided to go after someone 
  else's real name that day.  That was what tipped the scale or we would 
  not be having this chat right now.
  
  I don't share your view of his value or insights but if you got something 
  good from him, more power to you.  I suspect without all the 
  enlightenment story he wouldn't have lasted so long.  I can't see an 
  atheist coming on this board and communicating with people that way and 
  getting away with it.
  
  There was no devious strategy, I was tying to survive it day by day and was 
  learning as I went along. Ultimately he was just some dude with a computer 
  who wished me ill.  And fortunately for me he shot himself in the 
  foot.  I really enjoy not seeing F and MF bombs lobbed my way each 
  morning when I check in. It seems much more sane.
  
  I appreciate what you are saying about not feeling limited to any 
  side.  I couldn't agree more. I appreciate the feeling of your post.
  
  My dad traded Christmas cards with Perry Como till he died.  It was one 
  of those celebrity kindnesses that he did off of some casual contact, but 
  it made my dad feel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
 Then if you are still interested you can see my favorite personal
blues doc of all time about Peg Leg Sam:

 http://www.folkstreams.net/film,1

 It is life affirming in the most entertaining possible way. An number
of people here have seen it, I posted it a few years ago.

 Have fun, I envy you seeing these for the first time.


That was neat Curtis.  Thanks for posting it a second time. I must have
missed it the first time.  I liked that folk song towards the middle
about the mouse getting married.  I remember getting the Burl Ives
version of that when my kids were young.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[curtisdeltablues]

Glad you enjoyed it Steve.  The beginning of the documentary is the most 
powerful visual metaphor of overcoming adversity I have ever seen.  This guy is 
the master of seeing the bright side of life and he does it in such an 
entertaining way.   


  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  Then if you are still interested you can see my favorite personal
 blues doc of all time about Peg Leg Sam:
 
  http://www.folkstreams.net/film,1
 
  It is life affirming in the most entertaining possible way. An number
 of people here have seen it, I posted it a few years ago.
 
  Have fun, I envy you seeing these for the first time.
 
 
 That was neat Curtis.  Thanks for posting it a second time. I must have
 missed it the first time.  I liked that folk song towards the middle
 about the mouse getting married.  I remember getting the Burl Ives
 version of that when my kids were young.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

Only funny because Judy and I traded links to *Bruch* earlier in the week and 
then completely separately I sent a link to Perry Como singing *Kol Nidrei* to 
Curtis and then you sent a link to *Bruch's Kol Nidrei* - see the connection?  
It was just a funny coincidence...or was it?  Ha.



 From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 

  
funny?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Merudanda, thank you for sending this.  How funny that Bruch composed Kol 
 Nidrei.  I had no idea.  
 
 
 
  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:12 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 
 
   
 dear Emily
 there is no secret everybody know you are a gem here at the Fairy Field 
 Life(forever)
 always love your post and the genuine feeling behind
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38feature=related
 just want you to know
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
  in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
  
  Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you 
  post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
  freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
  targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
  could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to 
  stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual 
  posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote 
  an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided 
  not to describe your overall strategy as devious or deceptive or the 
  like - not in this case, at least.  I noted your post of the SNL skit to 
  defuse the tension with humor.  I read the statement you came up with in 
  defense of yourself.  I read your post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read 
  Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect 
  reflection of
   Robin's post, IMO.
  
  Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
  state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to 
  protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall 
  situation and given its length).  We all have that right and no one should 
  be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it 
  is interpreted.  That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges 
  one's reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that 
  process can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the 
  time.  My personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points 
  to you, even repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he 
  would still be here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was 
  in complete control and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is 
  likely in the middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in 
  person he
  is
   a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
  towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand 
  that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the 
  world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous 
  gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am 
  glad that you didn't unsubscribe.  
  
  For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a 
  side.  I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't 
  think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the 
  position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior 
  towards them.  It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and 
  push all of us to explore our humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical 
  behavior and dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love and pain, etc.
  
  Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / 
  the Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of 
  self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song 
  sung by a beautiful voice.  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M
  
  
  
  
   From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Yay - I loved this movie and forgot all about it; I saw this movie when I was 
about 12 and fell in love with the music.  FFL triggers my memory - it's coming 
back which is a blessing.



 From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:11 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 Obba,
 I think it is sometimes difficult to understand whether you are serious, or 
 joking. And also to understand the main point of some of your posts. Don't 
 take the replies to heart. After all the drama and back and forth of the past 
 week, we need a break. I know I am a bit irritable and sensitive, and I 
 imagine you are and Barry is too, along with everyone else.
 
 So my suggestion is, if you can, to let this issue go and forget any words 
 that upset you. Just be genuine and be yourself. Relax.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
  I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that was 
  deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your below 
  strange angry mood, below this post too, and this comes from my first 
  paragraph in what you so attacked with as my needing to get a life, and you 
  must have missed it in your quick read through, a post you found boring and 
  uninteresting: 
  
   If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
  excitement, this would not matter.
  
  This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your own life?
  I was only trying to rescue you. 
  I was reaching out to you. 
  I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly with, 
  because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as 
  Master, feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not get 
  from either male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or kiss. 
  
  The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not exciting in 
  anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.
  
  All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and showed your 
  inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay that way till 
  the day you leave the earth as if life was already in doggie heaven. You 
  are in the dog house. Mr. Meany. 
  I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM branding you 
  created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or not, based on 
  what I say on this board. You labeled me and that is not nice. 
  Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult 
  tendencies, beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible to 
  any or all and that is why you attacked me. You do not trust anyone to be 
  your friend unless they praise you and sit at your heels. 
  Think about it. I want an apology, please. 
  My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were surrounded by 
  pink, puffy stuff. 
  It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me time to 
  think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you attacked me for 
  no reason and that is what I am thankful for.
  I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean. 
  That one line,
  
   If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
  excitement, this would not matter.
  
  mattered to you. 
  
  ...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the MaskedZebra 
  standing up to you about your, non-matter, of my post as I was on my 49th 
  post for the week, kick'em when they're down. 
  
  Have a nice day. 
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately 
   that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
   it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
   turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace. 
   
   Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously 
   on the lives of others is so TM. 
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with 
complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red 
fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available 
if only to break through their awareness as something more 
that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with 
dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
 
  I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been
  deleted? Would you like me to?
 
 
 Dear Moderator, Alex Jong-il, dealt deftly with that situation, and order was 
 restored in the Universe.


Dear
FFL Owner and List Moderators, 
Seeking an equal justice under the FFL guidelines
please unsubscribe Turqb, Curtis and Wayback
from FFL
for repeatedly assertin and using my real handle on this list
in addressing replies to my posting here.
You and me know how dangerous this can be
in real life here.
Please respect my anonymity and unsubscribe
these perps.  In light of Ravi's final departure,
this would equally fair.
It is really low what they do.

-Buck in FF

It's Buck to you, damit.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
  
   I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been
   deleted? Would you like me to?
  
  
  Dear Moderator, Alex Jong-il, dealt deftly with that situation, and order 
  was restored in the Universe.
 
 
 Dear
 FFL Owner and List Moderators, 
 Seeking an equal justice under the FFL guidelines
 please unsubscribe Turqb, Curtis and Wayback
 from FFL
 for repeatedly assertin and using my real handle on this list
 in addressing replies to my posting here.
 You and me know how dangerous this can be
 in real life here.
 Please respect my anonymity and unsubscribe
 these perps.  In light of Ravi's final departure,
 this would equally fair.
 It is really low what they do.
 
 -Buck in FF
 
 It's Buck to you, damit.

Buckaroo, you are in rare form today!  I promise never to use your real name 
again, and even more, never again to spread all those nasty lies about you that 
could negatively impact your future employment on your farm.  Let me stay, let 
me stay.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
   
I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been
deleted? Would you like me to?
   
   
   Dear Moderator, Alex Jong-il, dealt deftly with that situation, and order 
   was restored in the Universe.
  
  
  Dear
  FFL Owner and List Moderators, 
  Seeking an equal justice under the FFL guidelines
  please unsubscribe Turqb, Curtis and Wayback
  from FFL
  for repeatedly assertin and using my real handle on this list
  in addressing replies to my posting here.
  You and me know how dangerous this can be
  in real life here.
  Please respect my anonymity and unsubscribe
  these perps.  In light of Ravi's final departure,
  this would equally fair.
  It is really low what they do.
  
  -Buck in FF
  
  It's Buck to you, damit.
 
 Buckaroo, you are in rare form today!  I promise never to use your real name 
 again, and even more, never again to spread all those nasty lies about you 
 that could negatively impact your future employment on your farm.  Let me 
 stay, let me stay.

I forgot to add, you might want to consider changing how you list yourself here 
on FFL, since it might have something to do with your real name.  You know, mix 
it up a bit, get creative.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
  
   I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been
   deleted? Would you like me to?
  
  
  Dear Moderator, Alex Jong-il, dealt deftly with that situation, and order 
  was restored in the Universe.
 
 
 Dear
 FFL Owner and List Moderators, 
 Seeking an equal justice under the FFL guidelines
 please unsubscribe Turqb, Curtis and Wayback
 from FFL
 for repeatedly assertin and using my real handle on this list
 in addressing replies to my posting here.
 You and me know how dangerous this can be
 in real life here.
 Please respect my anonymity and unsubscribe
 these perps.  In light of Ravi's final departure,
 this would equally fair.
 It is really low what they do.
 
 -Buck in FF
 
 It's Buck to you, damit.


Buck, when it comes to anonymity, I'm a traditionalist. As far as I'm 
concerned, if you have used your real name here in the past, you are not 
anonymous, end of story. IMO, Rick opened up a whole can of stupid when he 
decided that Vaj could have his anonymity restored, even though he has posted 
here in the past under his real name. Non-anonymous people who decide they want 
to be regarded as anonymous need to take it up with Rick, because that is 
ridiculous dumbassery that I will have no part of.

With respect to shukra69, although he didn't use his real name on FFL, he did 
attach his real name to that moniker on another site; strictly speaking, that 
means he was never anonymous to begin with. But, I have a lot more sympathy for 
him than I do for someone who wants his anonymity restored after openly 
posting here with his real name. 

To be truly anonymous, you need to do what Nabby does: use a moniker that he 
has in absolutely no way publicly linked with his real name. IMO, unless you do 
that, you have no reasonable expectation to be regarded as anonymous.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[curtisdeltablues]

I thought Buck was doing his usual schtick on this post.  If it was serious 
then I have no problem with a request from him to use what I thought was a 
schtick name that he uses when putting us on.  If it is an attempt to put 
distance between himself and his real name a request is all that is needed for 
me.

The reason I always used the other one was because I considered that connected 
to the guy I used to have friendly conversations with here as his genuine self. 
 The schtick routine has given me some difficulty understanding where he is 
coming from.  He was one of the people who stuck up for limits on abuse from 
you know who, which I really appreciate. So if that is what you want Buck, that 
is your name from now on.

Speaking of that matter...I just reached the top 10 in Google for my name and 
the P word this week.  First search page.  As soon as he realized he had a hot 
button that could actually hurt me, he used his tech savvy to flood the search 
engines pairing my name with this word even in posts that I had nothing to do 
with.  The tip off was his monitoring of results on youtube.  He knew exactly 
what he was doing.

I wont list all the people who stuck up for me, but you all know who you are 
and I really appreciate your kindness. The day he left was going to be my last 
day here.  Now the damage is done and I can only hope it will not have its 
intended malicious effect.  I am a sadder but wiser poster here having been 
through that.

Word to the wise:  People can say almost anything here about you with little 
lasting consequences.  But when someone is repeating a phrase, again and again, 
it can hurt you and you need to act fast. 



  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
   
   
I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been
deleted? Would you like me to?
   
   
   Dear Moderator, Alex Jong-il, dealt deftly with that situation, and order 
   was restored in the Universe.
  
  
  Dear
  FFL Owner and List Moderators, 
  Seeking an equal justice under the FFL guidelines
  please unsubscribe Turqb, Curtis and Wayback
  from FFL
  for repeatedly assertin and using my real handle on this list
  in addressing replies to my posting here.
  You and me know how dangerous this can be
  in real life here.
  Please respect my anonymity and unsubscribe
  these perps.  In light of Ravi's final departure,
  this would equally fair.
  It is really low what they do.
  
  -Buck in FF
  
  It's Buck to you, damit.
 
 
 Buck, when it comes to anonymity, I'm a traditionalist. As far as I'm 
 concerned, if you have used your real name here in the past, you are not 
 anonymous, end of story. IMO, Rick opened up a whole can of stupid when he 
 decided that Vaj could have his anonymity restored, even though he has 
 posted here in the past under his real name. Non-anonymous people who decide 
 they want to be regarded as anonymous need to take it up with Rick, because 
 that is ridiculous dumbassery that I will have no part of.
 
 With respect to shukra69, although he didn't use his real name on FFL, he did 
 attach his real name to that moniker on another site; strictly speaking, that 
 means he was never anonymous to begin with. But, I have a lot more sympathy 
 for him than I do for someone who wants his anonymity restored after openly 
 posting here with his real name. 
 
 To be truly anonymous, you need to do what Nabby does: use a moniker that he 
 has in absolutely no way publicly linked with his real name. IMO, unless you 
 do that, you have no reasonable expectation to be regarded as anonymous.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:23 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

 I wont list all the people who stuck up for me, but you all know who you are 
 and I really appreciate your kindness. The day he left was going to be my 
 last day here. Now the damage is done and I can only hope it will not have 
 its intended malicious effect. I am a sadder but wiser poster here having 
 been through that.
 
 Word to the wise: People can say almost anything here about you with little 
 lasting consequences. But when someone is repeating a phrase, again and 
 again, it can hurt you and you need to act fast. 


They should also know that if they receive threats or death threats due to 
participation on this forum, they should contact the authorities (local police) 
ASAP, esp. if you have children in your home. If you have an attorney, you 
should let them know as well.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by his 
tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely preposterous. 
As if his whole purpose was to harm you.  
He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is 
all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term.  If you 
feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google?  All of their search 
results are data mined. I know this too. 
If I wrote the word, pedophile, here, this too, would come up in a search. 
This is for educational purposes only and not meant to bring harm, to this 
man who refers to himself as a user name curtisdeltablues or to the other 
person who refers to the man mentioned in this post. 

If and when I have the need, if I could hire a software engineer, I would hire 
Ravi Chivukula and have complete trust in him.
In fact, I already put him in touch with some really awesome folks in the 
tech/creative fields who do a little more than work at a local level, let's say 
at the world level to be honest. 
 There is not a worry to how Ravi functions in his professional career, and 
this branding the letter A, by some on this board, will not stop me from giving 
Ravi's name to my peep's in an honorable way.
In fact, because of all this crapola, I felt it my duty to help Ravi.

A note to Ravi: 
Ravi, you have a great time next month, they are awesome people.
Enjoy the show, too.


Curtis, I am sure you are a nice man too. Please do not take this as trying to 
slam you. I enjoy reading your posts. You are awesome too and maybe one day I 
will meet you at one of the schools in your area with another project that 
helps support music programs at schools.

Love,
Obbajeeba
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 I thought Buck was doing his usual schtick on this post.  If it was serious 
 then I have no problem with a request from him to use what I thought was a 
 schtick name that he uses when putting us on.  If it is an attempt to put 
 distance between himself and his real name a request is all that is needed 
 for me.
 
 The reason I always used the other one was because I considered that 
 connected to the guy I used to have friendly conversations with here as his 
 genuine self.  The schtick routine has given me some difficulty understanding 
 where he is coming from.  He was one of the people who stuck up for limits on 
 abuse from you know who, which I really appreciate. So if that is what you 
 want Buck, that is your name from now on.
 
 Speaking of that matter...I just reached the top 10 in Google for my name and 
 the P word this week.  First search page.  As soon as he realized he had a 
 hot button that could actually hurt me, he used his tech savvy to flood the 
 search engines pairing my name with this word even in posts that I had 
 nothing to do with.  The tip off was his monitoring of results on youtube.  
 He knew exactly what he was doing.
 
 I wont list all the people who stuck up for me, but you all know who you are 
 and I really appreciate your kindness. The day he left was going to be my 
 last day here.  Now the damage is done and I can only hope it will not have 
 its intended malicious effect.  I am a sadder but wiser poster here having 
 been through that.
 
 Word to the wise:  People can say almost anything here about you with little 
 lasting consequences.  But when someone is repeating a phrase, again and 
 again, it can hurt you and you need to act fast. 
 
 
 
   
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
   j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:


 I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been
 deleted? Would you like me to?


Dear Moderator, Alex Jong-il, dealt deftly with that situation, and 
order was restored in the Universe.
   
   
   Dear
   FFL Owner and List Moderators, 
   Seeking an equal justice under the FFL guidelines
   please unsubscribe Turqb, Curtis and Wayback
   from FFL
   for repeatedly assertin and using my real handle on this list
   in addressing replies to my posting here.
   You and me know how dangerous this can be
   in real life here.
   Please respect my anonymity and unsubscribe
   these perps.  In light of Ravi's final departure,
   this would equally fair.
   It is really low what they do.
   
   -Buck in FF
   
   It's Buck to you, damit.
  
  
  Buck, when it comes to anonymity, I'm a traditionalist. As far as I'm 
  concerned, if you have used your real name here in the past, you are not 
  anonymous, end of story. IMO, Rick opened up a whole can of stupid when he 
  decided that Vaj 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

curtisdeltablues:
  I wont list all the people who stuck 
  up for me, but you all know who you 
  are and I really appreciate your 
  kindness. The day he left was going 
  to be my last day here. Now the 
  damage is done and I can only hope 
  it will not have its intended 
  malicious effect. I am a sadder but 
  wiser poster here having been through 
  that.
  
  Word to the wise: People can say almost 
  anything here about you with little 
  lasting consequences. But when someone 
  is repeating a phrase, again and again, 
  it can hurt you and you need to act 
  fast. 
 
Vaj: 
 They should also know that if they receive 
 threats or death threats due to participation 
 on this forum, they should contact the 
 authorities (local police) ASAP, 

Now that's a thought-stopper!

 esp. if you have children in your home. If 
 you have an attorney, you should let them 
 know as well.

You sound really scared. 

For the record: I, Willytex, take back any and
all statements posted by me on the internet,
directed at any individual, in which I listed
their real name, such as Barry, Judy, Lawson,
Curtis, Susan, Emily, Alex, Rick, Jim, or John.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:26 AM, obbajeeba wrote:

 Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
 Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
 his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely 
 preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you. 
 He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is 
 all he was doing. I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term. If you 
 feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google? All of their search 
 results are data mined. I know this too. 

One is forced to assume, based on his actions, that Ravi did in fact intend 
malice or that he is so out of control, he's capable of causing harm to others. 
Either way, it ain't good.

Ravi's very lucky his cyber-crimes weren't reported to authorities, that the 
police or his ex-wife were not contacted or that he wasn't served a court order 
at his place of employment.

It might also be wise to contact ex-Amma and perhaps the MA Center in CA. Such 
an unstable person should probably not be allowed within hugging distance of 
poor Amma.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... 
wrote:

 
 
 curtisdeltablues:
   I wont list all the people who stuck 
   up for me, but you all know who you 
   are and I really appreciate your 
   kindness. The day he left was going 
   to be my last day here. Now the 
   damage is done and I can only hope 
   it will not have its intended 
   malicious effect. I am a sadder but 
   wiser poster here having been through 
   that.
   
   Word to the wise: People can say almost 
   anything here about you with little 
   lasting consequences. But when someone 
   is repeating a phrase, again and again, 
   it can hurt you and you need to act 
   fast. 
  
 Vaj: 
  They should also know that if they receive 
  threats or death threats due to participation 
  on this forum, they should contact the 
  authorities (local police) ASAP, 
 
 Now that's a thought-stopper!
 
  esp. if you have children in your home. If 
  you have an attorney, you should let them 
  know as well.
 
 You sound really scared. 
 
 For the record: I, Willytex, take back any and
 all statements posted by me on the internet,
 directed at any individual, in which I listed
 their real name, such as Barry, Judy, Lawson,
 Curtis, Susan, Emily, Alex, Rick, Jim, or John.


Tumble weed chomper, 
Advice from a friend of mine who uses a disclaimer on everything they write on 
the Internet, to add to your signature, this, 
Disclaimer: For Entertainment Purposes Only

Go into options and add that. It should help.

Vaj, you really are a FBI Agent? What is your Identification number?
I believe you are required to give that when asked. 

Disclaimer: For Entertainment Purposes Only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[futur.musik]

Relax, have a decaf. He's not here. Isn't that enough?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:26 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
 
  Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
  Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
  his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely 
  preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you. 
  He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that 
  is all he was doing. I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term. 
  If you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google? All of 
  their search results are data mined. I know this too. 
 
 One is forced to assume, based on his actions, that Ravi did in fact intend 
 malice or that he is so out of control, he's capable of causing harm to 
 others. Either way, it ain't good.
 
 Ravi's very lucky his cyber-crimes weren't reported to authorities, that the 
 police or his ex-wife were not contacted or that he wasn't served a court 
 order at his place of employment.
 
 It might also be wise to contact ex-Amma and perhaps the MA Center in CA. 
 Such an unstable person should probably not be allowed within hugging 
 distance of poor Amma.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:37 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:

  esp. if you have children in your home. If 
  you have an attorney, you should let them 
  know as well.
 
 You sound really scared. 


It was my wife who it freaked. But the police were very reassuring - that is if 
you don't mind a trace on your phones for 3 months.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, obbajeeba wrote:

 Vaj, you really are a FBI Agent? What is your Identification number?
 I believe you are required to give that when asked. 

../´¯/) 
,/¯../ 
...// 
./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ 
../'/...//.../¨¯\ 
('(...´...´ ¯~/'...') 
.\.'./ 
..''...\.. _.·´ 
\..( 
..\.\...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[futur.musik]

A bicycle pump doth not a wife make.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:37 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
 
   esp. if you have children in your home. If 
   you have an attorney, you should let them 
   know as well.
  
  You sound really scared. 
 
 
 It was my wife who it freaked. But the police were very reassuring - that is 
 if you don't mind a trace on your phones for 3 months.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[curtisdeltablues]

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
 Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
 his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely 
 preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you.

Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that 
ended in the factual statement I made.
  
 He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is 
 all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term.  If 
 you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google?  All of their 
 search results are data mined. I know this too. 

Do me a favor.  Don't ever play with me.  We have different standards of fun. 
So was Barry playing with you or was he being sadistic as charged?  That might 
help me clarify your standards better.  I'll CC the president on in my Google 
letter and I'm sure it will get cleared up immediately. They have a lot of time 
to spend on such requests and take them all seriously with all the research 
back up needed to sort out these issues for free. (now who is playing?)(on 
re-read perhaps I had slid into dickish territory.)


 If I wrote the word, psnip, here, this too, would come up in a search. 
 This is for educational purposes only and not meant to bring harm, to this 
 man who refers to himself as a user name csnip or to the other person who 
 refers to the man mentioned in this post.

Now you are being a bit of an asshole.  Did you really have to pair my name 
with that word in the same paragraph to make your point?  If you repeat this 
association as many times as he did, then we have a problem.
 
 
 If and when I have the need, if I could hire a software engineer, I would 
 hire R snip and have complete trust in him.
 In fact, I already put him in touch with some really awesome folks in the 
 tech/creative fields who do a little more than work at a local level, let's 
 say at the world level to be honest. 
  There is not a worry to how Ravi functions in his professional career, and 
 this branding the letter A, by some on this board, will not stop me from 
 giving Ravi's name to my peep's in an honorable way.
 In fact, because of all this crapola, I felt it my duty to help Ravi.

OK so we differ in our perspective on the guy and whether or not the term 
crappola covers it accurately.  The dude had more chances here than any other 
poster I have seen blow through here.  This is all on him IMO.

 
 A note to Ravi: 
 Ravi, you have a great time next month, they are awesome people.
 Enjoy the show, too.
 
 
 Curtis, I am sure you are a nice man too. Please do not take this as trying 
 to slam you.

I don't.  You are sticking up for what's his name, your perfect right.  I stuck 
up for him more than once here before he went off the rails.  I've seen his 
charming hapless side. I've also seen another side that I hope to never see 
again.

 I enjoy reading your posts. You are awesome too and maybe one day I will meet 
you at one of the schools in your area with another project that helps support 
music programs at schools.

Very nice of you to say.  Music programs are really valuable so good luck with 
your efforts in that area.

 
 Love,
 Obbajeeba

Where have I seen that sign off before...








   
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  I thought Buck was doing his usual schtick on this post.  If it was serious 
  then I have no problem with a request from him to use what I thought was a 
  schtick name that he uses when putting us on.  If it is an attempt to put 
  distance between himself and his real name a request is all that is needed 
  for me.
  
  The reason I always used the other one was because I considered that 
  connected to the guy I used to have friendly conversations with here as his 
  genuine self.  The schtick routine has given me some difficulty 
  understanding where he is coming from.  He was one of the people who stuck 
  up for limits on abuse from you know who, which I really appreciate. So if 
  that is what you want Buck, that is your name from now on.
  
  Speaking of that matter...I just reached the top 10 in Google for my name 
  and the P word this week.  First search page.  As soon as he realized he 
  had a hot button that could actually hurt me, he used his tech savvy to 
  flood the search engines pairing my name with this word even in posts that 
  I had nothing to do with.  The tip off was his monitoring of results on 
  youtube.  He knew exactly what he was doing.
  
  I wont list all the people who stuck up for me, but you all know who you 
  are and I really appreciate your kindness. The day he left was going to be 
  my last day here.  Now the damage is done and I can only hope it will not 
  have its intended malicious effect.  I am a sadder but wiser poster here 
  having been through that.
  
  Word 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:26 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
 
  Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
  Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
  his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely 
  preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you. 
  He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that 
  is all he was doing. I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term. 
  If you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google? All of 
  their search results are data mined. I know this too. 
 
 One is forced to assume, based on his actions, that Ravi did in fact intend 
 malice or that he is so out of control, he's capable of causing harm to 
 others. Either way, it ain't good.
 
 Ravi's very lucky his cyber-crimes weren't reported to authorities, that the 
 police or his ex-wife were not contacted or that he wasn't served a court 
 order at his place of employment.
 
 It might also be wise to contact ex-Amma and perhaps the MA Center in CA. 
 Such an unstable person should probably not be allowed within hugging 
 distance of poor Amma.


You are very vicious to make these type of allegations. Remember, malice can be 
what you are mentioning also. It is not a one way street, agent provocateur.

Ravi is a good man. May this post lay claim, I as a witness to Ravi's 
actual playfulness on this board.
 Screen shot's are good to download too. : )
Ravi, do you have a lawyer?  
It appears you are being set up.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
 One is forced to assume, based on his actions, that Ravi did
 in fact intend malice or that he is so out of control, he's
 capable of causing harm to others. Either way, it ain't good.

One isn't forced to assume any such thing.

Vaj *chooses* to make that assumption, or at least to
claim he does.

 Ravi's very lucky his cyber-crimes weren't reported to
 authorities, that the police or his ex-wife were not contacted
 or that he wasn't served a court order at his place of
 employment.

Translation: (to Curtis) Hint, hint.

 It might also be wise to contact ex-Amma and perhaps the MA
 Center in CA. Such an unstable person should probably not
 be allowed within hugging distance of poor Amma.

Or it might be a ludicrous overreaction. Or even a
malicious attempt to persuade others to believe the worst
of Ravi.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

curtisdeltablues:
 I just reached the top 10 in Google for my 
 name and the P word this week...

Don't feed it!

So, I wonder what you'd find on Google if you 
keyed in 'willytex'? 

For the record, I am retired from my job as 
janitor for the school, so it won't do any 
good now to send an email to my previous place 
of employ complaining about my political 
opinions, sexual relations, or my religious 
views. 

And, nobody will be able to find me out in 
the wilderness, so don't even think about 
trying to track me down up there this winter 
in the snow.

Maybe I'll come down from the mountain next 
summer, maybe not. 

So, in future, if you want to cantact me in 
person just send a letter or telegram to the 
address below:

The Tejas Wallah
C/O General Delivery
Utter Kashi, UP, India

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[curtisdeltablues]

Wow, the number one guy, good to know.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
 
  Vaj, you really are a FBI Agent? What is your Identification number?
  I believe you are required to give that when asked. 
 
 ../´¯/) 
 ,/¯../ 
 ...// 
 ./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ 
 ../'/...//.../¨¯\ 
 ('(...´...´ ¯~/'...') 
 .\.'./ 
 ..''...\.. _.·´ 
 \..( 
 ..\.\...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[futur.musik]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 snip
  One is forced to assume, based on his actions, that Ravi did
  in fact intend malice or that he is so out of control, he's
  capable of causing harm to others. Either way, it ain't good.
 
 One isn't forced to assume any such thing.
 
 Vaj *chooses* to make that assumption, or at least to
 claim he does.
 
  Ravi's very lucky his cyber-crimes weren't reported to
  authorities, that the police or his ex-wife were not contacted
  or that he wasn't served a court order at his place of
  employment.
 
 Translation: (to Curtis) Hint, hint.
 
  It might also be wise to contact ex-Amma and perhaps the MA
  Center in CA. Such an unstable person should probably not
  be allowed within hugging distance of poor Amma.
 
 Or it might be a ludicrous overreaction. Or even a
 malicious attempt to persuade others to believe the worst
 of Ravi.


This is precisely how valve job lives up to his new moniker. He is out of 
tune, his timing is off, he releases excessive emissions, and his power output 
is sluggish.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

One finger is a little less invasive than a fistful, for the first time. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 Wow, the number one guy, good to know.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
  
   Vaj, you really are a FBI Agent? What is your Identification number?
   I believe you are required to give that when asked. 
  
  ../´¯/) 
  ,/¯../ 
  ...// 
  ./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ 
  ../'/...//.../¨¯\ 
  ('(...´...´ ¯~/'...') 
  .\.'./ 
  ..''...\.. _.·´ 
  \..( 
  ..\.\...
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[futur.musik]

Ha-ha, good line!! 

I am curious whether people on here flip people off (a rare occasion I hope), 
using the fist and finger position, as shown in the illustration, or the more 
formal straight up position, with the fingers on either side of the central 
upright finger curled in support of it, with the thumb held out to the side? 

When I was growing up in SE Asia everybody did the straight up finger, though 
here in the US I see more of the fist and finger version.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 Wow, the number one guy, good to know.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
  
   Vaj, you really are a FBI Agent? What is your Identification number?
   I believe you are required to give that when asked. 
  
  ../´¯/) 
  ,/¯../ 
  ...// 
  ./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ 
  ../'/...//.../¨¯\ 
  ('(...´...´ ¯~/'...') 
  .\.'./ 
  ..''...\.. _.·´ 
  \..( 
  ..\.\...
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

   esp. if you have children in your home. If 
   you have an attorney, you should let them 
   know as well.
  
  You sound really scared. 
 
Vaj:
 It was my wife who it freaked. But the police 
 were very reassuring - that is if you don't mind 
 a trace on your phones for 3 months.

A guy that lives down the block went to the library
and checked out a book on Islam. When he found a 
powdery substance in it, he freaked out. 

Called the police and the FBI. The whole block was 
roped off and the poor guy and his wife had to stand 
outside for over seven hours, in front of all their 
neighbors.

The guy's wife got freaked about her husband calling
the FBI and the police. She yelled at him Why did 
you get that stupid book, you fu*kin idiot? It was 
just plain old talcum powder!!!

P.S. Do you know what results come from posting 
'Vajradhatu' into Google?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

I don't recall ever having seen what you describe as
the straight up finger-flip.

The visual metaphor of the extended middle finger is
obvious, but in the straight up version, what does
the extended thumb represent?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote:

 Ha-ha, good line!! 
 
 I am curious whether people on here flip people off (a rare occasion I hope), 
 using the fist and finger position, as shown in the illustration, or the 
 more formal straight up position, with the fingers on either side of the 
 central upright finger curled in support of it, with the thumb held out to 
 the side? 
 
 When I was growing up in SE Asia everybody did the straight up finger, 
 though here in the US I see more of the fist and finger version.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  Wow, the number one guy, good to know.
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   
   On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
   
Vaj, you really are a FBI Agent? What is your Identification number?
I believe you are required to give that when asked. 
   
   ../´¯/) 
   ,/¯../ 
   ...// 
   ./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ 
   ../'/...//.../¨¯\ 
   ('(...´...´ ¯~/'...') 
   .\.'./ 
   ..''...\.. _.·´ 
   \..( 
   ..\.\...
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

authfriend:
 I don't recall ever having seen what you describe as
 the straight up finger-flip...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... 
wrote:

 authfriend:
  I don't recall ever having seen what you describe as
  the straight up finger-flip..

That photo shows the fist-and-finger version.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[seventhray1]

I know what you mean.  Music was just great for this.  Thanks for the
Remi posting.  He's been a family favorite for a while!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@...
wrote:

 Yay - I loved this movie and forgot all about it; I saw this movie
when I was about 12 and fell in love with the music. Â FFL triggers
my memory - it's coming back which is a blessing.


 
  From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:11 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts


 Â
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  Obba,
  I think it is sometimes difficult to understand whether you are
serious, or joking. And also to understand the main point of some of
your posts. Don't take the replies to heart. After all the drama and
back and forth of the past week, we need a break. I know I am a bit
irritable and sensitive, and I imagine you are and Barry is too, along
with everyone else.
 
  So my suggestion is, if you can, to let this issue go and forget any
words that upset you. Just be genuine and be yourself. Relax.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
   I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that
was deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your
below strange angry mood, below this post too, and this comes from my
first paragraph in what you so attacked with as my needing to get a
life, and you must have missed it in your quick read through, a post you
found boring and uninteresting:
  
If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so
full of excitement, this would not matter.
  
   This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your
own life?
   I was only trying to rescue you.
   I was reaching out to you.
   I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly
with, because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as
Master, feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not
get from either male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or
kiss.
  
   The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not
exciting in anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.
  
   All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and
showed your inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay
that way till the day you leave the earth as if life was already in
doggie heaven. You are in the dog house. Mr. Meany.
   I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM
branding you created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or
not, based on what I say on this board. You labeled me and that is not
nice.
   Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult
tendencies, beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible
to any or all and that is why you attacked me. You do not trust anyone
to be your friend unless they praise you and sit at your heels.
   Think about it. I want an apology, please.
   My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were
surrounded by pink, puffy stuff.
   It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me
time to think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you
attacked me for no reason and that is what I am thankful for.
   I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean.
   That one line,
  
If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so
full of excitement, this would not matter.
  
   mattered to you.
  
   ...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the
MaskedZebra standing up to you about your, non-matter, of my post as I
was on my 49th post for the week, kick'em when they're down.
  
   Have a nice day.
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@
wrote:
   
If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.
   
Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
on the lives of others is so TM.
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb
no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba
no_reply@ wrote:

 Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot
with
 complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red
 fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness
available
 if only to break through their awareness as something
more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[futur.musik]

nothing really - just more comfortable. It looks close to what this guy is 
doing, only with the three folded fingers brought even more forward of the 
middle finger:

http://www.visualphotos.com/image/2x4686928/man_giving_the_finger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 I don't recall ever having seen what you describe as
 the straight up finger-flip.
 
 The visual metaphor of the extended middle finger is
 obvious, but in the straight up version, what does
 the extended thumb represent?
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@ wrote:
 
  Ha-ha, good line!! 
  
  I am curious whether people on here flip people off (a rare occasion I 
  hope), using the fist and finger position, as shown in the illustration, 
  or the more formal straight up position, with the fingers on either side 
  of the central upright finger curled in support of it, with the thumb held 
  out to the side? 
  
  When I was growing up in SE Asia everybody did the straight up finger, 
  though here in the US I see more of the fist and finger version.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Wow, the number one guy, good to know.
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
   

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, obbajeeba wrote:

 Vaj, you really are a FBI Agent? What is your Identification number?
 I believe you are required to give that when asked. 

../´¯/) 
,/¯../ 
...// 
./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ 
../'/...//.../¨¯\ 
('(...´...´ ¯~/'...') 
.\.'./ 
..''...\.. _.·´ 
\..( 
..\.\...
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

   I don't recall ever having seen what you
  describe as the straight up finger-flip..
 
authfriend:
 That photo shows the fist-and-finger version.

No, it was the straight up version.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0NJXoWATcM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... 
wrote:

I don't recall ever having seen what you
   describe as the straight up finger-flip..
  
 authfriend:
  That photo shows the fist-and-finger version.
 
 No, it was the straight up version.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up in 
the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  

Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you post 
statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet freedom 
and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being targeted with 
repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt could harm you 
professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to stand up by yourself 
and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for a sin resolution, 
or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. 
I read you at face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as 
devious or deceptive or the like - not in this case, at least.  I noted 
your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor.  I read the 
statement you came up with in defense of yourself.  I read your post after Ravi 
was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an 
almost perfect reflection of
 Robin's post, IMO.

Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect 
and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and 
given its length).  We all have that right and no one should be afraid to state 
their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is interpreted.  
That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's reality and 
one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one 
is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time.  My personal feeling is 
that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by 
altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He chose not 
to - stating more than once that he was in complete control and also that he 
couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the middle somewhere, but in the 
end, regardless of whether in person he is
 a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand that 
kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world at 
large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to its 
participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am glad that you 
didn't unsubscribe.  

For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a side.  I 
recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any less of 
him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that Curtis and 
others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them.  It doesn't mean 
that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to explore our 
humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical behavior and dishonesty and judgment 
or concepts of love and pain, etc.

Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / the 
Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of 
self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song sung 
by a beautiful voice.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M




 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
 Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
 his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely 
 preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you.

Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that 
ended in the factual statement I made.

 He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is 
 all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term.  If 
 you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google?  All of their 
 search results are data mined. I know this too. 

Do me a favor.  Don't ever play with me.  We have different standards of fun. 
So was Barry playing with you or was he being sadistic as charged?  That might 
help me clarify your standards better.  I'll CC the president on in my Google 
letter and I'm sure it will get cleared up immediately. They have a lot of time 
to spend on such requests and take them all seriously with all the research 
back up needed to sort out these issues for free. (now who is playing?)(on 
re-read perhaps I had slid into dickish territory.)

 If I wrote the word, psnip, here, this too, would come up in a search. 
 This is for educational purposes only and not meant to bring harm, to this 
 man who refers to himself as a user name

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[curtisdeltablues]

://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M
 
 
 
 
  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
  
 
   
 -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
  Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
  his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely 
  preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you.
 
 Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that 
 ended in the factual statement I made.
 
  He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that 
  is all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term.  
  If you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google?  All of 
  their search results are data mined. I know this too. 
 
 Do me a favor.  Don't ever play with me.  We have different standards of 
 fun. So was Barry playing with you or was he being sadistic as charged?  That 
 might help me clarify your standards better.  I'll CC the president on in my 
 Google letter and I'm sure it will get cleared up immediately. They have a 
 lot of time to spend on such requests and take them all seriously with all 
 the research back up needed to sort out these issues for free. (now who is 
 playing?)(on re-read perhaps I had slid into dickish territory.)
 
  If I wrote the word, psnip, here, this too, would come up in a search. 
  This is for educational purposes only and not meant to bring harm, to 
  this man who refers to himself as a user name csnip or to the other 
  person who refers to the man mentioned in this post.
 
 Now you are being a bit of an asshole.  Did you really have to pair my name 
 with that word in the same paragraph to make your point?  If you repeat this 
 association as many times as he did, then we have a problem.
 
  
  If and when I have the need, if I could hire a software engineer, I would 
  hire R snip and have complete trust in him.
  In fact, I already put him in touch with some really awesome folks in the 
  tech/creative fields who do a little more than work at a local level, let's 
  say at the world level to be honest. 
   There is not a worry to how Ravi functions in his professional career, and 
  this branding the letter A, by some on this board, will not stop me from 
  giving Ravi's name to my peep's in an honorable way.
  In fact, because of all this crapola, I felt it my duty to help Ravi.
 
 OK so we differ in our perspective on the guy and whether or not the term 
 crappola covers it accurately.  The dude had more chances here than any 
 other poster I have seen blow through here.  This is all on him IMO.
 
  
  A note to Ravi: 
  Ravi, you have a great time next month, they are awesome people.
  Enjoy the show, too.
  
  
  Curtis, I am sure you are a nice man too. Please do not take this as trying 
  to slam you.
 
 I don't.  You are sticking up for what's his name, your perfect right.  I 
 stuck up for him more than once here before he went off the rails.  I've seen 
 his charming hapless side. I've also seen another side that I hope to never 
 see again.
 
  I enjoy reading your posts. You are awesome too and maybe one day I will 
 meet you at one of the schools in your area with another project that helps 
 support music programs at schools.
 
 Very nice of you to say.  Music programs are really valuable so good luck 
 with your efforts in that area.
 
  
  Love,
  Obbajeeba
 
 Where have I seen that sign off before...
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   I thought Buck was doing his usual schtick on this post.  If it was 
   serious then I have no problem with a request from him to use what I 
   thought was a schtick name that he uses when putting us on.  If it is an 
   attempt to put distance between himself and his real name a request is 
   all that is needed for me.
   
   The reason I always used the other one was because I considered that 
   connected to the guy I used to have friendly conversations with here as 
   his genuine self.  The schtick routine has given me some difficulty 
   understanding where he is coming from.  He was one of the people who 
   stuck up for limits on abuse from you know who, which I really 
   appreciate. So if that is what you want Buck, that is your name from now 
   on.
   
   Speaking of that matter...I just reached the top 10 in Google for my name 
   and the P word this week.  First search page.  As soon as he realized he 
   had a hot button that could actually hurt me, he used his tech savvy to 
   flood the search engines pairing my name with this word even in posts 
   that I had nothing to do with.  The tip off was his monitoring of results 
   on youtube.  He knew exactly what he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... 
wrote:

I don't recall ever having seen what you
   describe as the straight up finger-flip..
  
 authfriend:
  That photo shows the fist-and-finger version.
 
 No, it was the straight up version.

No, it was the fist-and-finger version.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

If you feel inspired at any point, post some blues or bluesy / jazzy 
pieces...only the enlightened ones of course :)

Signed - MusicbeggarsRus



 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 

  
Hi Emily,

Thanks for such a sincere post.  I appreciate it.  What he achieved was to link 
the two words only. My single name is fine.  Given his interest in me offline, 
which I have not detailed, it was heading nowhere good.  But I am optimistic 
that I dodged a bullet and am gunna be just fine.  It was a wake-up call for me 
though. I'll never let things go that far again here. 

It was fortunate for me that he simultaneously decided to go after someone 
else's real name that day.  That was what tipped the scale or we would not be 
having this chat right now.

I don't share your view of his value or insights but if you got something good 
from him, more power to you.  I suspect without all the enlightenment story he 
wouldn't have lasted so long.  I can't see an atheist coming on this board and 
communicating with people that way and getting away with it.

There was no devious strategy, I was tying to survive it day by day and was 
learning as I went along. Ultimately he was just some dude with a computer who 
wished me ill.  And fortunately for me he shot himself in the foot.  I really 
enjoy not seeing F and MF bombs lobbed my way each morning when I check in. It 
seems much more sane.

I appreciate what you are saying about not feeling limited to any side.  I 
couldn't agree more. I appreciate the feeling of your post.

My dad traded Christmas cards with Perry Como till he died.  It was one of 
those celebrity kindnesses that he did off of some casual contact, but it made 
my dad feel very special.  Thanks for posting that.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
 in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
 
 Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you post 
 statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
 freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
 targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
 could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to stand 
 up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for 
 a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent 
 into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe 
 your overall strategy as devious or deceptive or the like - not in this 
 case, at least.  I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension 
 with humor.  I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself. 
  I read your post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi 
 and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect
 reflection of
  Robin's post, IMO.
 
 Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
 state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect 
 and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and 
 given its length).  We all have that right and no one should be afraid to 
 state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is 
 interpreted.  That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's 
 reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process 
 can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time.  My 
 personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even 
 repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be 
 here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was in complete 
 control and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the 
 middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in
 person he is
  a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
 towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand 
 that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the 
 world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous 
 gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am 
 glad that you didn't unsubscribe.  
 
 For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a side. 
  I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any 
 less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that 
 Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them.  It 
 doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to 
 explore our

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 If you feel inspired at any point, post some blues or bluesy / jazzy 
 pieces...only the enlightened ones of course :)


This is as enlightened as it gets.  Thanks for asking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6jjNRUqPxgfeature=related





 
 Signed - MusicbeggarsRus
 
 
 
  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
  
 
   
 Hi Emily,
 
 Thanks for such a sincere post.  I appreciate it.  What he achieved was to 
 link the two words only. My single name is fine.  Given his interest in me 
 offline, which I have not detailed, it was heading nowhere good.  But I am 
 optimistic that I dodged a bullet and am gunna be just fine.  It was a 
 wake-up call for me though. I'll never let things go that far again here. 
 
 It was fortunate for me that he simultaneously decided to go after someone 
 else's real name that day.  That was what tipped the scale or we would not be 
 having this chat right now.
 
 I don't share your view of his value or insights but if you got something 
 good from him, more power to you.  I suspect without all the enlightenment 
 story he wouldn't have lasted so long.  I can't see an atheist coming on this 
 board and communicating with people that way and getting away with it.
 
 There was no devious strategy, I was tying to survive it day by day and was 
 learning as I went along. Ultimately he was just some dude with a computer 
 who wished me ill.  And fortunately for me he shot himself in the foot.  I 
 really enjoy not seeing F and MF bombs lobbed my way each morning when I 
 check in. It seems much more sane.
 
 I appreciate what you are saying about not feeling limited to any side.  I 
 couldn't agree more. I appreciate the feeling of your post.
 
 My dad traded Christmas cards with Perry Como till he died.  It was one of 
 those celebrity kindnesses that he did off of some casual contact, but it 
 made my dad feel very special.  Thanks for posting that.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
 
  Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
  in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
  
  Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you 
  post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
  freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
  targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
  could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to 
  stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual 
  posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote 
  an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided 
  not to describe your overall strategy as devious or deceptive or the 
  like - not in this case, at least.  I noted your post of the SNL skit to 
  defuse the tension with humor.  I read the statement you came up with in 
  defense of yourself.  I read your post after Ravi was dismissed.  I 
  read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect
  reflection of
   Robin's post, IMO.
  
  Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
  state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to 
  protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall 
  situation and given its length).  We all have that right and no one 
  should be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what others think or 
  how it is interpreted.  That's one of the great things about FFL - it 
  challenges one's reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) 
  and that process can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode 
  all the time.  My personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of 
  his points to you, even repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally 
  and he would still be here. He chose not to - stating more than once that 
  he was in complete control and also that he couldn't help it. The 
  reality is likely in the middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of 
  whether in
  person he is
   a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
  towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I 
  understand that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As 
  compared to the world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here 
  is an enormous gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy 
  daily.  I am glad that you didn't unsubscribe.  
  
  For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a 
  side.  I recognize

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[awoelflebater]

HeyI was there and it was the most disturbing, exciting, mysterious experience 
I ever had. And what fun MZ is having with the internet, if only that all 
existed back in the WTS days what far greater reach and influence he could have 
had. Now, it all comes back to Fairfield Iowa. Amazing. But I don't regret a 
thing. I loved every minute of it. My life is richer for the people I met and 
the experiences I had. I'm not really thanking you RWC just knowing it all made 
me who I am today.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 You saw nothing, Vaj. Because you were not there. Not one person living will 
 testify to your physical presence at one of those seminars. And you cannot 
 furnish a single personalized and particular memory which would verify and 
 substantiate this claim of yours. You are bearing false witness. What reason 
 do I have to deny what is the truth? There must be 300 persons out there in 
 the world who can present evidence of what happened in those seminars. But 
 you can't, because you did not go through the experience. Sooner or later 
 someone will speak up about their recollection of those days—and as soon as 
 they do, I will immediately recognize they have provided the requisite 
 evidence of the truthfulness of their testimony. This is a striptease you are 
 performing, Vaj, but you see, you never actually take off any part of your 
 clothes. Produce the goods, Vaj, because sooner or later someone else *will*, 
 and then you will have nothing to say in this regard, because I will remember 
 this person. And they will thus be accorded the authority that you can never 
 acquire.
 
 Believe me, Vaj, anyone who was there would never write in the way you have 
 here. 
 
 And finally: I have repudiated the entire principle and context at the basis 
 of those seminars. I have renounced my enlightenment. And I have gone a very 
 long ways towards atoning for whatever I did during those ten years for which 
 I must held accountable. My personal culpability.
 
 I must suppose you cannot help yourself in this, Vaj. But how I wish you 
 would do something to dispel this perfect impression you give of the 
 unbelievability of all of your claims: about TM, about Maharishi, and about 
 myself.
 
 When it comes to TM, Maharishi, and those seminars, second-hand knowledge 
 just will not do. *You had to be there*. No one who went through that 
 experience could, even if they tried, produce the lack of credibility that 
 you do in everything you say about me, about TM, and about Maharishi.
 
 But this is especially true of the seminars, because the experience there was 
 unforgettable. Ineffaceable. A particular and concrete memory you have, Vaj: 
 I would wish so much for you to give this to me. But alas, you cannot, and 
 until you do I will just have to keep calling you out for what you are doing 
 here at FFL.
 
 Still, I appreciated those two posts of yours awhile back.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:13 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
  
   Barry: Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
   on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
   pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
   what kinds of demons were possessing them.
   
   Robin: This is a crude and misinformed and inaccurate description of what 
   went on between 1976 and 1986. I never once struck someone on stage.
  
  Well, that's not what I saw. I cannot say it is accurate that you were 
  beating them, but it would be accurate to say you were pounding them with 
  clenched fists as if in total exasperation and frustration.
  
   If you read Rory's account from his autobiography you get the very 
   essence of metaphysical theatre that I acted out under my enlightenment. 
   Although not nearly the whole picture. Someone who has a mature and 
   unbiased perspective—who was there—will eventually speak out on this 
   forum I hope, and then we can hear the other side, which will be 
   critical, but will not resemble in the least the description given here.
  
  I don't know what you'd want us to say? After all, it was not one of the 
  things you'd remember by your constant reflection on it. The people, now 
  that's something different, because there were (like old rounding courses, 
  etc.) a lot of remarkable humans.
  
   There are persons out there who know all about what happened. And I have 
   already interrogated myself over this very serious matter these past 25 
   years. And I haven't seen any demons for a few decades, Barry :-)—but 
   perhaps now my streak will be broken.
  
  Well if you haven't declared Our Dear Editor demonic by now, it's a given 
  that you're third eye blind. In the day I could see the brouhaha build as 
  Our Dear Judy was revealed as the very core of resistance to G_d and driven 
  from the course by protective students. Incense would be lit.
  
   You don't 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

Hi, welcome. We'd be all ears (or eyes, at any rate) if you
were inclined to say more. Were you at MIU when MZ was?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:

 HeyI was there and it was the most disturbing, exciting, mysterious 
 experience I ever had. And what fun MZ is having with the internet, if only 
 that all existed back in the WTS days what far greater reach and influence he 
 could have had. Now, it all comes back to Fairfield Iowa. Amazing. But I 
 don't regret a thing. I loved every minute of it. My life is richer for the 
 people I met and the experiences I had. I'm not really thanking you RWC just 
 knowing it all made me who I am today.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  You saw nothing, Vaj. Because you were not there. Not one person living 
  will testify to your physical presence at one of those seminars. And you 
  cannot furnish a single personalized and particular memory which would 
  verify and substantiate this claim of yours. You are bearing false witness. 
  What reason do I have to deny what is the truth? There must be 300 persons 
  out there in the world who can present evidence of what happened in those 
  seminars. But you can't, because you did not go through the experience. 
  Sooner or later someone will speak up about their recollection of those 
  days—and as soon as they do, I will immediately recognize they have 
  provided the requisite evidence of the truthfulness of their testimony. 
  This is a striptease you are performing, Vaj, but you see, you never 
  actually take off any part of your clothes. Produce the goods, Vaj, because 
  sooner or later someone else *will*, and then you will have nothing to say 
  in this regard, because I will remember this person. And they will thus be 
  accorded the authority that you can never acquire.
  
  Believe me, Vaj, anyone who was there would never write in the way you have 
  here. 
  
  And finally: I have repudiated the entire principle and context at the 
  basis of those seminars. I have renounced my enlightenment. And I have gone 
  a very long ways towards atoning for whatever I did during those ten years 
  for which I must held accountable. My personal culpability.
  
  I must suppose you cannot help yourself in this, Vaj. But how I wish you 
  would do something to dispel this perfect impression you give of the 
  unbelievability of all of your claims: about TM, about Maharishi, and about 
  myself.
  
  When it comes to TM, Maharishi, and those seminars, second-hand knowledge 
  just will not do. *You had to be there*. No one who went through that 
  experience could, even if they tried, produce the lack of credibility that 
  you do in everything you say about me, about TM, and about Maharishi.
  
  But this is especially true of the seminars, because the experience there 
  was unforgettable. Ineffaceable. A particular and concrete memory you have, 
  Vaj: I would wish so much for you to give this to me. But alas, you cannot, 
  and until you do I will just have to keep calling you out for what you are 
  doing here at FFL.
  
  Still, I appreciated those two posts of yours awhile back.
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   
   On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:13 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
   
Barry: Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
what kinds of demons were possessing them.

Robin: This is a crude and misinformed and inaccurate description of 
what went on between 1976 and 1986. I never once struck someone on 
stage.
   
   Well, that's not what I saw. I cannot say it is accurate that you were 
   beating them, but it would be accurate to say you were pounding them 
   with clenched fists as if in total exasperation and frustration.
   
If you read Rory's account from his autobiography you get the very 
essence of metaphysical theatre that I acted out under my 
enlightenment. Although not nearly the whole picture. Someone who has a 
mature and unbiased perspective—who was there—will eventually speak out 
on this forum I hope, and then we can hear the other side, which will 
be critical, but will not resemble in the least the description given 
here.
   
   I don't know what you'd want us to say? After all, it was not one of the 
   things you'd remember by your constant reflection on it. The people, now 
   that's something different, because there were (like old rounding 
   courses, etc.) a lot of remarkable humans.
   
There are persons out there who know all about what happened. And I 
have already interrogated myself over this very serious matter these 
past 25 years. And I haven't seen any demons for a few decades, Barry 
:-)—but perhaps now my streak will be broken.
   
   Well if you haven't 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[turquoiseb]

Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
  to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
  Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
  Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
  would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
  to read it—for this very...
 
 I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
 read anymore. 

That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)

I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
(like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  

Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 

How'd I do?  :-)

The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.

Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
what kinds of demons were possessing them. 

Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
the post you're referring to. 

My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
of the person being abused to not only stand there and
take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
abuser mentality.

What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 

*Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.

So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.

Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
Guess that makes me an awful person. 

But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 

But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 

Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
anything else.

As Ravi might say, they're my bitches.  :-)

And they will continue to be as long as they continue
obsessing on me...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches. :-)

You got a point there. (-:



 And they will continue to be as long as they continue
 obsessing on me...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

Dear Steve,

You see what a beautiful rose has flowered from your last post. Your weakness 
has been perfectly exploited, and the post which you see here from Amsterdam is 
the offspring of your Inspector Clouseau—Neville Chamberlain approach to these 
disputes.

Barry is one tricky dude, that's for sure. Poor obbajeeba. She now knows that 
Barry acted with justice. I hope she realizes this.

The sadism, it has made you a pawn, and this is only inevitable, given your 
refusal to call that nun a burglar when even the judge declared, based on the 
evidence, she was guilty of stealing your mother's jewellery.

No, Barry is much worse than I thought. But I can thank you, Steve, for drawing 
him out like this.

Obviously he has made his case. Now go back to his post to obbajeeba, read it 
carefully from beginning to end; then read Judy's post; after that my first 
post to Barry; and finally read the post to which Barry is referring here, 
which, according to him, *he has not read*.

I think it best just to give him his rightful influence at FFL—even as he, most 
despicably has refused to speak to me directly, or make his case inside the 
context of a counter-argument which takes me on personally.

He is the subtlest liar there could be. And everything, down to the last 
nuance, is, in this post addressed to you, deceitful and manipulative—but very 
inspired.

This level of bullshit, it leaves everyone, or almost everyone, with their head 
spinning. As it will yours. You see, Steve, Barry has taken the hard and 
categorical position vis-a-vis myself that you in principle refuse to or cannot 
take. You should take your cues from him. For he has finally committed himself 
all the way.

You now can't have it both ways. Either you argue with Barry the way you have 
argued with me—which you will not do; or if you make the half-hearted attempt 
to do so, Barry will just have contempt for you. As he does even now. 

You have allowed yourself to be used, Stevie Baby. And he looked upon his 
works. And he saw that it was good.

This is on one level great fun; on another level it is politics that goes well 
past poor little Nicolo.

You will have to come down, finally, on one side or the other, Steve.

From strictly a human standpoint I deem this long post by Barry Wright to be 
devoid of human feeling, and to be deliberately and cunningly conceived out of 
pure malice and deceit. But to perceive this, well, I guess you'd have to hate 
Barry as much as I do.

Lovely man, Barry. And I am only saying this because he has, gentle FFL reader, 
refuted me up and down. And this, by cracky, hurts.

As you can imagine.

Barry has found your weakness, Steve, and he has put it to use big-time. If 
Barry is who I think he is, then you have just received all the proof you need 
of the stupidity and blindness of a particular aspect of your modus operandi.

By the way, unless you can testify to me that you have read obbajeeba's post to 
Barry; Barry's response to obbajeeba; Judy's response to Barry's post to 
obbajeeba; then my first response to Barry; then my second response to Barry; 
and finally, my open letter to Ravi (#4), I will not be saying another word to 
you.

Unfortunately for those readers who enjoyed reading—perhaps—posts by both Barry 
and Robin you are faced with an either-or proposition, because Barry has made 
it thus.

You either go with the good guy—Robin—or you go with the bad guy—the unsinkable 
Mr Wright. No other choice, else you will find yourself attempting to reconcile 
the irreconcilable.

It is hard to make one's case when one's enemy chooses never to come onto the 
battlefield directly. I wonder if a war could be fought this way?

But Barry Wright is a coward and a dissembler—but the serpentine movements of 
his mind here will be discerned by perhaps one of two readers at FFL.

The rest will have to accord him some points, just on the face of it. Which 
will mean that my standing at FFL—even after my letter to Ravi—will have taken 
a major hit.

There is no human person arguing from behind the mask of the person who wrote 
this post this morning.

I can feel nothing of the real Barry person. He is not there.

He has taken a big shit in my sandbox, and I don't see how I can clean it up.

Obbajeeba, want to give it another try with Barry, to see if you 
can't—please—get him to let up on Canada?

Oh, by the way, Steve, there is a right and a wrong here. Barry is not going to 
compromise on this, and Robin is not going to compromise on this.

Any intermediate position will just come off as ineffectual and impotent.

No, ladies and gentleman, it's black and white.

Robin, the nice guy; Barry, the not so nice guy.

How could it be any other way ? :-)

And don't worry: I ate my spinach, so I am fine.

That Ravi, he was a just a little boy playing with fire. If you want to learn 
how it's really done, then study the masterwork of the rather inspired Mr 
Wright.

But make sure you do the background reading as well, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

Several of nature's people
I know, and they know me;
I feel for them a transport
Or cordiality;

But never met this fellow,
Attended or alone,
Without a tighter breathing
And zero at the bone.*

*for confirmation of Emily's experience, read Barry's post to obbajeeba.

(Another Emily)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
 
 So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
 me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
 that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
 comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
 that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
 with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
 
 Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
 Guess that makes me an awful person. 
 
 But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
 it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
 bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
 I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
 Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

O rose, thou art sick!
The enviable worm
That flies in the night,
In the howling storm,

Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.

WB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
 
 So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
 me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
 that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
 comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
 that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
 with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
 
 Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
 Guess that makes me an awful person. 
 
 But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
 it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
 bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
 I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
 Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches.  :-)
 
 And they will continue to be as long as they continue
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

It was also requisite that Ignatius, who was called to be a firm pillar of the 
faith, should have the sublimest mysteries directly infused into his soul, and 
be wholly penetrated with them. Thus in the ecstasies with which he was 
favored, he received a very clear vision of the Holy Trinity, always under 
images suited to our manner of conception in the present life. The first time 
he was rapt in this manner was on the staircase of the church of the 
Dominicans, while he was reciting the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin 
during the preparations for a procession. This vision filled him with such 
sweetness that during the whole ceremony he could not contain his sighs and 
tears, and all the rest of the day he could speak of nothing else, which he did 
in so striking and admirable a manner as to fill his hearers with astonishment. 
It is certain that after this moment he entered into a very close union, as far 
as a creature can, with his Creator, and intimacy with the Three Divine 
Persons, and that later in life the greater portion of his prayers and 
revelations had this sublime mystery for their object. 

FG

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
 
 So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
 me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
 that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
 comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
 that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
 with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
 
 Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
 Guess 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

BUT: Humility is no substitute for a good personality.

Fran Lebowitz

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
 
 So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
 me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
 that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
 comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
 that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
 with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
 
 Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
 Guess that makes me an awful person. 
 
 But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
 it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
 bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
 I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
 Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches.  :-)
 
 And they will continue to be as long as they continue
 obsessing on me...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

Either this man is dead or my watch has stopped.

Groucho Marx

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
 
 So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
 me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
 that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
 comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
 that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
 with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
 
 Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
 Guess that makes me an awful person. 
 
 But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
 it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
 bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
 I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
 Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches.  :-)
 
 And they will continue to be as long as they continue
 obsessing on me...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[feste37]

Invisible worm, not enviable. Makes a big difference to this poem about 
sexual shame. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 O rose, thou art sick!
 The enviable worm
 That flies in the night,
 In the howling storm,
 
 Has found out thy bed
 Of crimson joy:
 And his dark secret love
 Does thy life destroy.
 
 WB
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
  word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
  certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
   
For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
to read it—for this very...
   
   I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
   read anymore. 
  
  That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
  
  I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
  First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
  the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
  ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
  and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
  pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
  written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
  (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
  their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
  attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
  already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
  
  Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
  cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
  
  How'd I do?  :-)
  
  The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
  thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
  extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
  changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
  in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
  
  Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
  on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
  pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
  what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
  
  Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
  posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
  That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
  FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
  special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
  So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
  the post you're referring to. 
  
  My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
  him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
  people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
  thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
  to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
  their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
  of the person being abused to not only stand there and
  take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
  abuser mentality.
  
  What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
  
  *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
  criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
  impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
  got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
  Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
  she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
  than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
  
  So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
  me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
  that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
  comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
  that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
  with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
  
  Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
  Guess that makes me an awful person. 
  
  But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
  it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
  bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
  I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
  Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
  
  But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
  word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
  multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
  hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
  
  Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
  trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
  They're in EXACTLY the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

Malice consists in emptiness.

Aquinas

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
 
 So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
 me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
 that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
 comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
 that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
 with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
 
 Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
 Guess that makes me an awful person. 
 
 But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
 it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
 bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
 I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
 Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches.  :-)
 
 And they will continue to be as long as they continue
 obsessing on me...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

Thank you, feste37.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 Invisible worm, not enviable. Makes a big difference to this poem about 
 sexual shame. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  O rose, thou art sick!
  The invisible worm
  That flies in the night,
  In the howling storm,
  
  Has found out thy bed
  Of crimson joy:
  And his dark secret love
  Does thy life destroy.
  
  WB
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
   word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
   certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:

 For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
 to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
 Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
 Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
 would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
 to read it—for this very...

I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
read anymore. 
   
   That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
   
   I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
   First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
   the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
   ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
   and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
   pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
   written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
   (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
   their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
   attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
   already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
   
   Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
   cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
   
   How'd I do?  :-)
   
   The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
   thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
   extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
   changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
   in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
   
   Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
   on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
   pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
   what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
   
   Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
   posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
   That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
   FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
   special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
   So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
   the post you're referring to. 
   
   My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
   him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
   people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
   thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
   to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
   their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
   of the person being abused to not only stand there and
   take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
   abuser mentality.
   
   What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
   
   *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
   criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
   impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
   got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
   Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
   she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
   than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
   
   So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
   me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
   that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
   comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
   that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
   with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
   
   Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
   Guess that makes me an awful person. 
   
   But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
   it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
   bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
   I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
   Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
   
   But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
   word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
   multiple times, trying to work up enough 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

O rose, thou art sick!
The invisible worm
That flies in the night,
In the howling storm,

Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.

William Blake

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
 
 So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
 me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
 that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
 comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
 that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
 with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
 
 Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
 Guess that makes me an awful person. 
 
 But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
 it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
 bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
 I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
 Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches.  :-)
 
 And they will continue to be as long as they 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

Dear feste37,

While I respect your interpretation of Blake's poem, I think it can mean quite 
a number of things—including what serves my purposes here. For instance, Seamus 
Heaney wrote of this same poem:

These eight lines of Blake's are like four loaves and four fishes that shoal 
and crumble as we try to consume their meaning. A rose is a rose is a rose but 
not when it's sick. Then it becomes a canker, a corruption, a tainted cosmos. 
The poem drops petal after petal of suggestion without ever revealing its 
stripped core: it is an open invitation into its meaning rather than an 
assertion of it. 

Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 Invisible worm, not enviable. Makes a big difference to this poem about 
 sexual shame. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  O rose, thou art sick!
  The enviable worm
  That flies in the night,
  In the howling storm,
  
  Has found out thy bed
  Of crimson joy:
  And his dark secret love
  Does thy life destroy.
  
  WB
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
   word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
   certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:

 For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
 to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
 Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
 Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
 would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
 to read it—for this very...

I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
read anymore. 
   
   That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
   
   I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
   First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
   the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
   ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
   and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
   pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
   written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
   (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
   their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
   attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
   already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
   
   Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
   cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
   
   How'd I do?  :-)
   
   The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
   thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
   extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
   changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
   in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
   
   Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
   on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
   pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
   what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
   
   Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
   posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
   That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
   FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
   special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
   So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
   the post you're referring to. 
   
   My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
   him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
   people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
   thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
   to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
   their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
   of the person being abused to not only stand there and
   take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
   abuser mentality.
   
   What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
   
   *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
   criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
   impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
   got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
   Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
   she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
   than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
   
   So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
   me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
   that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
   comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
   that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
   with him, and what an awful person I was if 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

Every virtuous act has these four traits: controlled knowledge, right 
intention, unwavering purpose, and sense of situation.

Aquinas

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing on the lives of others on this forum.
 
 So what does Mr. Formerly Enlightened do? He obsesses on
 me, and runs his standard abuse number again. I presume
 that, as he did with Curtis, he inserted all sorts of 
 comments as needy and whiny as Obba's, suggesting again
 that it was almost my DUTY to reply to him and debate
 with him, and what an awful person I was if I didn't.
 
 Well, I didn't. And I won't. He's just not worth my time.
 Guess that makes me an awful person. 
 
 But, if you think about *time*, and the efficient use of
 it, I would have to say that I think I'm winning. I don't
 bother to read ANY of his silly ego-rants, because by now
 I know what they'll all say without bothering to read them.
 Same with the other people on my Don't Bother With list. 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches.  :-)
 
 And they will continue to be as long as they continue
 obsessing on me...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[feste37]

Yes, indeed. I wouldn't want to argue with that. It's one of the most powerful 
short poems Blake wrote. I have always read it in a certain way, for which I 
claim no great originality. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 Dear feste37,
 
 While I respect your interpretation of Blake's poem, I think it can mean 
 quite a number of things—including what serves my purposes here. For 
 instance, Seamus Heaney wrote of this same poem:
 
 These eight lines of Blake's are like four loaves and four fishes that shoal 
 and crumble as we try to consume their meaning. A rose is a rose is a rose 
 but not when it's sick. Then it becomes a canker, a corruption, a tainted 
 cosmos. The poem drops petal after petal of suggestion without ever revealing 
 its stripped core: it is an open invitation into its meaning rather than an 
 assertion of it. 
 
 Robin
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  Invisible worm, not enviable. Makes a big difference to this poem about 
  sexual shame. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   O rose, thou art sick!
   The enviable worm
   That flies in the night,
   In the howling storm,
   
   Has found out thy bed
   Of crimson joy:
   And his dark secret love
   Does thy life destroy.
   
   WB
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   
Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
  to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
  Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
  Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
  would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
  to read it—for this very...
 
 I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
 read anymore. 

That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)

I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
(like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.  

Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 

How'd I do?  :-)

The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.

Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
what kinds of demons were possessing them. 

Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
the post you're referring to. 

My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
of the person being abused to not only stand there and
take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
abuser mentality.

What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 

*Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
than by obsessing on the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

Robin: Just for fun Barry, especially since I did read every word of the 
following rant, and can therefore almost certainly tell you what it means and 
what motivated it.

Barry: Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read aword of the rant 
that you're referring to, but can almostcertainly tell you what it said, and 
what motivated it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you
  to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this?
  Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing
  Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you
  would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue
  to read it—for this very...

Steve: I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't*
 read anymore.

Barry: That's because you're sane, Steve. :-)

Robin: Knockdown argument here manifested. Saneness made visible 

Barry: I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.

Robin: You read it, liar.

Barry: First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
ranting.

Robin: Your hatred is the result of easily 40 years worth of ranting. 

Barry: Second, it went through my post point by point
and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me,
pointing out my weaknesses.

Robin: It succeeded perfectly, or almost perfectly, in this aim.

Barry: Third, it was so badly
written that only someone with abysmally low standards
(like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make
their way through it.

Robin: There will be readers on FFL who will dispute this. In fact if you 
compare Barry's Amsterdam Manifesto on Boring and Uninteresting with my 
critique of same, there can be no question about it: Robin's putdown of Barry, 
interesting; Barry's manifesto, pretty goddamn boring. You should read it 
again, Barry. This would be the unanimous verdict of anyone who was outside of 
FFL and knew neither one of us. Happy to have this hypothesis tested. Although 
you are doing better in your more venomous rant here. 

Barry: And fourth, it was so obviously anattack on Barry that no one other 
than a person who
already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.

Robin: Not an attack upon you at all, Barry. Just making you accountable, and 
demonstrating how silly and worthless was your long boring and uninteresting 
manifesto.

Barry: Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it.

Robin: Not sure what you mean here, Barry Boy. I think, according to what you 
set out to do here, that it was in fact cruel of me to write it. But I didn't 
have to demand that you read it, Barry. You did that on your own. No one in 
their right mind who was sane would ever spend a thousand words commenting on 
an analysis they didn't read. It would be too chancy. For all you know, I might 
have been burying the hatchet.

As it turns out, however, I *was* burying the hatchet. [Reader supplies own 
punchline here.] 

Barry: How'd I do? :-)

Robin: You're doing fine, Barry. Go on now.

Barry: The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.

Robin: A bipolar mindset, manic, drama queen, mentally ill abuser, attention 
vampire. And it all shine forth in my posts—especially the ones to Barry.

But an abuser? Do you feel you have been abused, Barry? Well, then, I have 
succeeded, although my intent was not to abuse, but to challenge and refute you.

The sensation of abuse comes in when its hurts, I suppose. Yeah, you got 
abused, Barry. Why don't I abuse more persons on this forum, though. I need 
some more victims.

To satisfy my craving.

By the way: I have never 'abused' Curtis. Not the way I have abused you. So I 
can demonstrate some discrimination in applying my 35 year-old Unity 
Consciousness schtick: which *did* violate the personal space of other human 
beings. I have stopped doing that, Barry—some 25 years ago; but if someone acts 
the part of the liar and abuser here on FFL, then why should I not, like 
everyone else, exercise my prerogative to answer them? You abused obbajeeba. 
Judy called you on it. I called you on it. You were so humiliated by that that 
you wrote your Amsterdam Manifesto on Boring and Uninteresting, which I replied 
to with much brio and delight. You sought to use your manifesto as a means of 
protecting you against the charge of having exhibited a very refined form of 
sadism with obbajeeba—who I am sure has forgiven you (but she shouldn't). No, 
you are the abuser of all abusers here on 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:13 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

 Barry: Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them.
 
 Robin: This is a crude and misinformed and inaccurate description of what 
 went on between 1976 and 1986. I never once struck someone on stage.

Well, that's not what I saw. I cannot say it is accurate that you were 
beating them, but it would be accurate to say you were pounding them with 
clenched fists as if in total exasperation and frustration.

 If you read Rory's account from his autobiography you get the very essence of 
 metaphysical theatre that I acted out under my enlightenment. Although not 
 nearly the whole picture. Someone who has a mature and unbiased 
 perspective—who was there—will eventually speak out on this forum I hope, and 
 then we can hear the other side, which will be critical, but will not 
 resemble in the least the description given here.

I don't know what you'd want us to say? After all, it was not one of the things 
you'd remember by your constant reflection on it. The people, now that's 
something different, because there were (like old rounding courses, etc.) a lot 
of remarkable humans.

 There are persons out there who know all about what happened. And I have 
 already interrogated myself over this very serious matter these past 25 
 years. And I haven't seen any demons for a few decades, Barry :-)—but perhaps 
 now my streak will be broken.

Well if you haven't declared Our Dear Editor demonic by now, it's a given that 
you're third eye blind. In the day I could see the brouhaha build as Our Dear 
Judy was revealed as the very core of resistance to G_d and driven from the 
course by protective students. Incense would be lit.

 You don't ever grasp a hold of reality when you argue like this, Barry. You 
 systematically avoid contact with reality. And it shows. Not to Steve, but to 
 a few others I would think. (I mean besides the horrible woman Judy—now talk 
 about abuse: did you read some of her recent posts to me, Barry? Now *that's* 
 what I call abuse.)

Robindra, by the Grace of G_d, open your third eye!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

You saw nothing, Vaj. Because you were not there. Not one person living will 
testify to your physical presence at one of those seminars. And you cannot 
furnish a single personalized and particular memory which would verify and 
substantiate this claim of yours. You are bearing false witness. What reason do 
I have to deny what is the truth? There must be 300 persons out there in the 
world who can present evidence of what happened in those seminars. But you 
can't, because you did not go through the experience. Sooner or later someone 
will speak up about their recollection of those days—and as soon as they do, I 
will immediately recognize they have provided the requisite evidence of the 
truthfulness of their testimony. This is a striptease you are performing, Vaj, 
but you see, you never actually take off any part of your clothes. Produce the 
goods, Vaj, because sooner or later someone else *will*, and then you will have 
nothing to say in this regard, because I will remember this person. And they 
will thus be accorded the authority that you can never acquire.

Believe me, Vaj, anyone who was there would never write in the way you have 
here. 

And finally: I have repudiated the entire principle and context at the basis of 
those seminars. I have renounced my enlightenment. And I have gone a very long 
ways towards atoning for whatever I did during those ten years for which I must 
held accountable. My personal culpability.

I must suppose you cannot help yourself in this, Vaj. But how I wish you would 
do something to dispel this perfect impression you give of the unbelievability 
of all of your claims: about TM, about Maharishi, and about myself.

When it comes to TM, Maharishi, and those seminars, second-hand knowledge just 
will not do. *You had to be there*. No one who went through that experience 
could, even if they tried, produce the lack of credibility that you do in 
everything you say about me, about TM, and about Maharishi.

But this is especially true of the seminars, because the experience there was 
unforgettable. Ineffaceable. A particular and concrete memory you have, Vaj: I 
would wish so much for you to give this to me. But alas, you cannot, and until 
you do I will just have to keep calling you out for what you are doing here at 
FFL.

Still, I appreciated those two posts of yours awhile back.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:13 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
 
  Barry: Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
  on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
  pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
  what kinds of demons were possessing them.
  
  Robin: This is a crude and misinformed and inaccurate description of what 
  went on between 1976 and 1986. I never once struck someone on stage.
 
 Well, that's not what I saw. I cannot say it is accurate that you were 
 beating them, but it would be accurate to say you were pounding them with 
 clenched fists as if in total exasperation and frustration.
 
  If you read Rory's account from his autobiography you get the very essence 
  of metaphysical theatre that I acted out under my enlightenment. Although 
  not nearly the whole picture. Someone who has a mature and unbiased 
  perspective—who was there—will eventually speak out on this forum I hope, 
  and then we can hear the other side, which will be critical, but will not 
  resemble in the least the description given here.
 
 I don't know what you'd want us to say? After all, it was not one of the 
 things you'd remember by your constant reflection on it. The people, now 
 that's something different, because there were (like old rounding courses, 
 etc.) a lot of remarkable humans.
 
  There are persons out there who know all about what happened. And I have 
  already interrogated myself over this very serious matter these past 25 
  years. And I haven't seen any demons for a few decades, Barry :-)—but 
  perhaps now my streak will be broken.
 
 Well if you haven't declared Our Dear Editor demonic by now, it's a given 
 that you're third eye blind. In the day I could see the brouhaha build as Our 
 Dear Judy was revealed as the very core of resistance to G_d and driven from 
 the course by protective students. Incense would be lit.
 
  You don't ever grasp a hold of reality when you argue like this, Barry. You 
  systematically avoid contact with reality. And it shows. Not to Steve, but 
  to a few others I would think. (I mean besides the horrible woman Judy—now 
  talk about abuse: did you read some of her recent posts to me, Barry? Now 
  *that's* what I call abuse.)
 
 Robindra, by the Grace of G_d, open your third eye!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 You saw nothing, Vaj. Because you were not there. Not one person living will 
 testify to your physical presence at one of those seminars. And you cannot 
 furnish a single personalized and particular memory which would verify and 
 substantiate this claim of yours. You are bearing false witness. What reason 
 do I have to deny what is the truth? There must be 300 persons out there in 
 the world who can present evidence of what happened in those seminars. But 
 you can't, because you did not go through the experience. Sooner or later 
 someone will speak up about their recollection of those days—and as soon as 
 they do, I will immediately recognize they have provided the requisite 
 evidence of the truthfulness of their testimony. This is a striptease you are 
 performing, Vaj, but you see, you never actually take off any part of your 
 clothes. Produce the goods, Vaj, because sooner or later someone else *will*, 
 and then you will have nothing to say in this regard, because I will remember 
 this person. And they will thus be accorded the authority that you can never 
 acquire.
 
 Believe me, Vaj, anyone who was there would never write in the way you have 
 here. 
 
 And finally: I have repudiated the entire principle and context at the basis 
 of those seminars. I have renounced my enlightenment. And I have gone a very 
 long ways towards atoning for whatever I did during those ten years for which 
 I must held accountable. My personal culpability.
 
 I must suppose you cannot help yourself in this, Vaj. But how I wish you 
 would do something to dispel this perfect impression you give of the 
 unbelievability of all of your claims: about TM, about Maharishi, and about 
 myself.
 
 When it comes to TM, Maharishi, and those seminars, second-hand knowledge 
 just will not do. *You had to be there*. No one who went through that 
 experience could, even if they tried, produce the lack of credibility that 
 you do in everything you say about me, about TM, and about Maharishi.
 
 But this is especially true of the seminars, because the experience there was 
 unforgettable. Ineffaceable. A particular and concrete memory you have, Vaj: 
 I would wish so much for you to give this to me. But alas, you cannot, and 
 until you do I will just have to keep calling you out for what you are doing 
 here at FFL.


He can't for the simple reason he was not there. The bits and pieces he has 
collected, including the odd picture, is from the FBI files.
He is on their payroll, but you knew that already.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[seventhray1]

Let me reply as I go through.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 Dear Steve,

 You see what a beautiful rose has flowered from your last post. Your
weakness has been perfectly exploited, and the post which you see here
from Amsterdam is the offspring of your Inspector Clouseau—Neville
Chamberlain approach to these disputes.  You already have me smiling
with these references.

 Barry is one tricky dude, that's for sure. Poor obbajeeba. She now
knows that Barry acted with justice. I hope she realizes this.

 The sadism, it has made you a pawn, and this is only inevitable, given
your refusal to call that nun a burglar when even the judge declared,
based on the evidence, she was guilty of stealing your mother's
jewellery.

This is a good point.  I do seem to have a blind spot in that regard. 
FTR, it was the detective who coaxed a confession out of her.  Her date
with the judge is coming up.
 No, Barry is much worse than I thought. But I can thank you, Steve,
for drawing him out like this.

 Obviously he has made his case. Now go back to his post to obbajeeba,
read it carefully from beginning to end; then read Judy's post; after
that my first post to Barry; and finally read the post to which Barry is
referring here, which, according to him, *he has not read*.

 I think it best just to give him his rightful influence at
FFL—even as he, most despicably has refused to speak to me directly,
or make his case inside the context of a counter-argument which takes me
on personally.

 He is the subtlest liar there could be. And everything, down to the
last nuance, is, in this post addressed to you, deceitful and
manipulative—but very inspired.

 This level of bullshit, it leaves everyone, or almost everyone, with
their head spinning. As it will yours. You see, Steve, Barry has taken
the hard and categorical position vis-a-vis myself that you in principle
refuse to or cannot take. You should take your cues from him. For he has
finally committed himself all the way.

 You now can't have it both ways. Either you argue with Barry the way
you have argued with me—which you will not do; or if you make the
half-hearted attempt to do so, Barry will just have contempt for you. As
he does even now.
Robin, I will be completely honest.  I pull my punches with both of you.
And that is all I will say on that for now.
 You have allowed yourself to be used, Stevie Baby. And he looked upon
his works. And he saw that it was good.
How about as Shakespeare in Julies Caesar might say, And Barry is an
h-o-n-o-r-a-b-l-e man.  I couldn't resist that.  Apropos of nothing
 This is on one level great fun; on another level it is politics that
goes well past poor little Nicolo.

 You will have to come down, finally, on one side or the other, Steve.

 From strictly a human standpoint I deem this long post by Barry Wright
to be devoid of human feeling, and to be deliberately and cunningly
conceived out of pure malice and deceit. But to perceive this, well, I
guess you'd have to hate Barry as much as I do.
Yes, I thought Barry's reply to Obbajeeba was a little harsh, but that's
Barry - often.  I mean, even Curtis has called him on this sometimes. 
In particular in one instance when he was harsh in responding to you. 
But, I mean, so what.  Is this a capital offense?
 Lovely man, Barry. And I am only saying this because he has, gentle
FFL reader, refuted me up and down. And this, by cracky, hurts.

 As you can imagine.

 Barry has found your weakness, Steve, and he has put it to use
big-time. If Barry is who I think he is, then you have just received all
the proof you need of the stupidity and blindness of a particular aspect
of your modus operandi.
Okay, confession time.  I had my astrological chart done by Hart Defoe
around 25 years ago, and he said I was a slow processor.  And of course
as recently as just last week, I was declared to be a pea brained
heartland retard.  At least I wasn't called a heartless retard.  Now
that might have hurt.
 By the way, unless you can testify to me that you have read
obbajeeba's post to Barry; Barry's response to obbajeeba; Judy's
response to Barry's post to obbajeeba; then my first response to Barry;
then my second response to Barry; and finally, my open letter to Ravi
(#4), I will not be saying another word to you.
Ouch!.  Does 3-1/2 out of 5 count.  (and yes, I did have to use my
fingers)
 Unfortunately for those readers who enjoyed
reading—perhaps—posts by both Barry and Robin you are faced with
an either-or proposition, because Barry has made it thus.

 You either go with the good guy—Robin—or you go with the bad
guy—the unsinkable Mr Wright. No other choice, else you will find
yourself attempting to reconcile the irreconcilable.
No, I am going with the unsinkable Molly Brown.  And that is my final
answer.
 It is hard to make one's case when one's enemy chooses never to come
onto the battlefield directly. I wonder if a war could be fought this
way?
I read a funny comment 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Yifu]

Fine, but there are 3 parts to becomming a Christian: 1. repentance and by 
Atonement 2. Sin no more (Buck is working on a list of sins that you can refer 
to) 3. Accepting Jesus as your Savior, which takes care of the Atonement part 
since His Sacrifice is a once and for all Substitute for our 
transgressions(unless one is Catholic in which case the Atonement is an 
ongoing process of guilt-ridden works and observances which ultimately may 
qualify you for Purgatory and ultimately the Paradisethe Kingdom.
...
However, if you take the Catholic route, the Atonement part would also include 
works and the Sacraments. (Luther of course differed on this part).
...
In any event, I have yet to see the I accept Jesus as my Personal Savior 
part. This should be accompanied by plenty of Tebowing and writing Jn 3-16 on 
your tee shirts for all to see.
...
On another topic, it may interest you to know that Concrete, WA (NW Washington 
State, 30 miles from Bellingham); is reported by Ben Collins of Puja.net as 
being the Center of the Known Universe.
http://bencollins.net/journal/2011/6/7/the-center-of-the-universe.html 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 You saw nothing, Vaj. Because you were not there. Not one person living will 
 testify to your physical presence at one of those seminars. And you cannot 
 furnish a single personalized and particular memory which would verify and 
 substantiate this claim of yours. You are bearing false witness. What reason 
 do I have to deny what is the truth? There must be 300 persons out there in 
 the world who can present evidence of what happened in those seminars. But 
 you can't, because you did not go through the experience. Sooner or later 
 someone will speak up about their recollection of those days—and as soon as 
 they do, I will immediately recognize they have provided the requisite 
 evidence of the truthfulness of their testimony. This is a striptease you are 
 performing, Vaj, but you see, you never actually take off any part of your 
 clothes. Produce the goods, Vaj, because sooner or later someone else *will*, 
 and then you will have nothing to say in this regard, because I will remember 
 this person. And they will thus be accorded the authority that you can never 
 acquire.
 
 Believe me, Vaj, anyone who was there would never write in the way you have 
 here. 
 
 And finally: I have repudiated the entire principle and context at the basis 
 of those seminars. I have renounced my enlightenment. And I have gone a very 
 long ways towards atoning for whatever I did during those ten years for which 
 I must held accountable. My personal culpability.
 
 I must suppose you cannot help yourself in this, Vaj. But how I wish you 
 would do something to dispel this perfect impression you give of the 
 unbelievability of all of your claims: about TM, about Maharishi, and about 
 myself.
 
 When it comes to TM, Maharishi, and those seminars, second-hand knowledge 
 just will not do. *You had to be there*. No one who went through that 
 experience could, even if they tried, produce the lack of credibility that 
 you do in everything you say about me, about TM, and about Maharishi.
 
 But this is especially true of the seminars, because the experience there was 
 unforgettable. Ineffaceable. A particular and concrete memory you have, Vaj: 
 I would wish so much for you to give this to me. But alas, you cannot, and 
 until you do I will just have to keep calling you out for what you are doing 
 here at FFL.
 
 Still, I appreciated those two posts of yours awhile back.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:13 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
  
   Barry: Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
   on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
   pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
   what kinds of demons were possessing them.
   
   Robin: This is a crude and misinformed and inaccurate description of what 
   went on between 1976 and 1986. I never once struck someone on stage.
  
  Well, that's not what I saw. I cannot say it is accurate that you were 
  beating them, but it would be accurate to say you were pounding them with 
  clenched fists as if in total exasperation and frustration.
  
   If you read Rory's account from his autobiography you get the very 
   essence of metaphysical theatre that I acted out under my enlightenment. 
   Although not nearly the whole picture. Someone who has a mature and 
   unbiased perspective—who was there—will eventually speak out on this 
   forum I hope, and then we can hear the other side, which will be 
   critical, but will not resemble in the least the description given here.
  
  I don't know what you'd want us to say? After all, it was not one of the 
  things you'd remember by your constant reflection on it. The people, now 
  that's something different, because there were (like old 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[futur.musik]

Ha-ha! but of course the FBI would have nothing to do with valve job.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  You saw nothing, Vaj. Because you were not there. Not one person living 
  will testify to your physical presence at one of those seminars. And you 
  cannot furnish a single personalized and particular memory which would 
  verify and substantiate this claim of yours. You are bearing false witness. 
  What reason do I have to deny what is the truth? There must be 300 persons 
  out there in the world who can present evidence of what happened in those 
  seminars. But you can't, because you did not go through the experience. 
  Sooner or later someone will speak up about their recollection of those 
  days—and as soon as they do, I will immediately recognize they have 
  provided the requisite evidence of the truthfulness of their testimony. 
  This is a striptease you are performing, Vaj, but you see, you never 
  actually take off any part of your clothes. Produce the goods, Vaj, because 
  sooner or later someone else *will*, and then you will have nothing to say 
  in this regard, because I will remember this person. And they will thus be 
  accorded the authority that you can never acquire.
  
  Believe me, Vaj, anyone who was there would never write in the way you have 
  here. 
  
  And finally: I have repudiated the entire principle and context at the 
  basis of those seminars. I have renounced my enlightenment. And I have gone 
  a very long ways towards atoning for whatever I did during those ten years 
  for which I must held accountable. My personal culpability.
  
  I must suppose you cannot help yourself in this, Vaj. But how I wish you 
  would do something to dispel this perfect impression you give of the 
  unbelievability of all of your claims: about TM, about Maharishi, and about 
  myself.
  
  When it comes to TM, Maharishi, and those seminars, second-hand knowledge 
  just will not do. *You had to be there*. No one who went through that 
  experience could, even if they tried, produce the lack of credibility that 
  you do in everything you say about me, about TM, and about Maharishi.
  
  But this is especially true of the seminars, because the experience there 
  was unforgettable. Ineffaceable. A particular and concrete memory you have, 
  Vaj: I would wish so much for you to give this to me. But alas, you cannot, 
  and until you do I will just have to keep calling you out for what you are 
  doing here at FFL.
 
 
 He can't for the simple reason he was not there. The bits and pieces he has 
 collected, including the odd picture, is from the FBI files.
 He is on their payroll, but you knew that already.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
  I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that was 
deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your below strange 
angry mood, below this post too,  and this comes from my first paragraph in 
what you so attacked with as my needing to get a life, and you must have missed 
it in your quick read through, a post you found boring and uninteresting: 

 If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
excitement, this would not matter.

This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your own life?
 I was only trying to rescue you. 
  I was reaching out to you. 
   I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly with, 
because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as Master, 
feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not get from either 
male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or kiss. 

The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not exciting in 
anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.

  All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and showed your 
inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay that way till the 
day you leave the earth as if life was already in doggie heaven. You are in the 
dog house.  Mr. Meany.  
I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM branding you 
created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or not, based on what I 
say on this board. You labeled me and that is not nice. 
Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult tendencies, 
beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible to any or all and 
that is why you attacked me.  You do not trust anyone to be your friend unless 
they praise you and sit at your heels. 
Think about it. I want an apology, please.  
  My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were surrounded by 
pink, puffy stuff. 
  It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me time to 
think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you attacked me for no 
reason and that is what I am thankful for.
  I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean. 
That one line,

  If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
excitement, this would not matter.

mattered to you. 

...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the MaskedZebra 
standing up to you about your, non-matter, of my post as I was on my 49th 
post for the week, kick'em when they're down. 

Have a nice day. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately 
 that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
 it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
 turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace. 
 
 Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously 
 on the lives of others is so TM. 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with 
  complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red 
  fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available 
  if only to break through their awareness as something more 
  that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with 
  dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. 
  Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals.
 
 Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To
 Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence
 course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right?
 
 :-)

For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing 
just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process!  
   
   My point exactly.
  
  Since this post is the last of two for this week, and this may turn out 
  rather long because of that as mentioned in the beginning of this sentence, 
   I wish to ask Mr. Turq for some advice. The thinking process could be 
  upset and that is the purpose and intent of the write. If the regular life 
  as those who do not sit on forums was so full of excitement, this would not 
  matter. I find your concern for me, Mr. Turq, a bit appreciating to my 
  jilted mind. 
  
  Maybe you have some tantric remedy to offer or share as relief for such 
  supply of need? 
  
  Losing Ravi from here and Emily posting out and Mr. Price and wife 
  disappearing and the MaskedZoro ignoring me, well, maybe I did lose it a 
  bit since my igloo is empty since the hunters have left to the baby seal 
  bashing finals, so I do not even have the offer of my 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Steve.  Pull up, pull out...I think I might see a ray of lightbut, come on 
Steveyou have a *BIG* heart, I know you do...look how upset you were about 
Ravi's dismissal...after all.  Here's Madonna for you.  She's in white.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyBQ0MDDcCQfeature=related




 From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
Let me reply as I go through.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 Dear Steve,
 
 You see what a beautiful rose has flowered from your last post. Your weakness 
 has been perfectly exploited, and the post which you see here from Amsterdam 
 is the offspring of your Inspector Clouseau—Neville Chamberlain approach to 
 these disputes.  You already have me smiling with these references.
 
 Barry is one tricky dude, that's for sure. Poor obbajeeba. She now knows that 
 Barry acted with justice. I hope she realizes this.
 
 The sadism, it has made you a pawn, and this is only inevitable, given your 
 refusal to call that nun a burglar when even the judge declared, based on the 
 evidence, she was guilty of stealing your mother's jewellery.
This is a good point.  I do seem to have a blind spot in that regard.  FTR, it 
was the detective who coaxed a confession out of her.  Her date with the judge 
is coming up. 
 No, Barry is much worse than I thought. But I can thank you, Steve, for 
 drawing him out like this.
 
 Obviously he has made his case. Now go back to his post to obbajeeba, read it 
 carefully from beginning to end; then read Judy's post; after that my first 
 post to Barry; and finally read the post to which Barry is referring here, 
 which, according to him, *he has not read*.
 
 I think it best just to give him his rightful influence at FFL—even as he, 
 most despicably has refused to speak to me directly, or make his case inside 
 the context of a counter-argument which takes me on personally.
 
 He is the subtlest liar there could be. And everything, down to the last 
 nuance, is, in this post addressed to you, deceitful and manipulative—but 
 very inspired.
 
 This level of bullshit, it leaves everyone, or almost everyone, with their 
 head spinning. As it will yours. You see, Steve, Barry has taken the hard and 
 categorical position vis-a-vis myself that you in principle refuse to or 
 cannot take. You should take your cues from him. For he has finally committed 
 himself all the way.
 
 You now can't have it both ways. Either you argue with Barry the way you have 
 argued with me—which you will not do; or if you make the half-hearted attempt 
 to do so, Barry will just have contempt for you. As he does even now. 
Robin, I will be completely honest.  I pull my punches with both of you.  And 
that is all I will say on that for now. 
 You have allowed yourself to be used, Stevie Baby. And he looked upon his 
 works. And he saw that it was good.
How about as Shakespeare in Julies Caesar might say, And Barry is an 
h-o-n-o-r-a-b-l-e man.  I couldn't resist that.  Apropos of nothing  
 This is on one level great fun; on another level it is politics that goes 
 well past poor little Nicolo.
 
 You will have to come down, finally, on one side or the other, Steve.
 
 From strictly a human standpoint I deem this long post by Barry Wright to be 
 devoid of human feeling, and to be deliberately and cunningly conceived out 
 of pure malice and deceit. But to perceive this, well, I guess you'd have to 
 hate Barry as much as I do.
Yes, I thought Barry's reply to Obbajeeba was a little harsh, but that's Barry 
- often.  I mean, even Curtis has called him on this sometimes.  In particular 
in one instance when he was harsh in responding to you.  But, I mean, so what.  
Is this a capital offense?  
 Lovely man, Barry. And I am only saying this because he has, gentle FFL 
 reader, refuted me up and down. And this, by cracky, hurts.
 
 As you can imagine.
 
 Barry has found your weakness, Steve, and he has put it to use big-time. If 
 Barry is who I think he is, then you have just received all the proof you 
 need of the stupidity and blindness of a particular aspect of your modus 
 operandi.
Okay, confession time.  I had my astrological chart done by Hart Defoe around 
25 years ago, and he said I was a slow processor.  And of course as recently as 
just last week, I was declared to be a pea brained heartland retard.  At 
least I wasn't called a heartless retard.  Now that might have hurt. 
 By the way, unless you can testify to me that you have read obbajeeba's post 
 to Barry; Barry's response to obbajeeba; Judy's response to Barry's post to 
 obbajeeba; then my first response to Barry; then my second response to Barry; 
 and finally, my open letter to Ravi (#4), I will not be saying another word 
 to you.
Ouch!.  Does 3-1/2 out of 5 count.  (and yes, I did

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Susan]

Obba,
I think it is sometimes difficult to understand whether you are serious, or 
joking. And also to understand the main point of some of your posts.  Don't 
take the replies to heart.  After all the drama and back and forth of the past 
week, we need a break.  I know I am a bit irritable and sensitive, and I 
imagine you are and Barry is too, along with everyone else.

So my suggestion is, if you can, to let this issue go and forget any words that 
upset you. Just be genuine and be yourself.  Relax.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
   I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that was 
 deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your below 
 strange angry mood, below this post too,  and this comes from my first 
 paragraph in what you so attacked with as my needing to get a life, and you 
 must have missed it in your quick read through, a post you found boring and 
 uninteresting: 
 
  If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
 excitement, this would not matter.
 
 This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your own life?
  I was only trying to rescue you. 
   I was reaching out to you. 
I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly with, 
 because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as Master, 
 feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not get from either 
 male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or kiss. 
 
 The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not exciting in 
 anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.
 
   All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and showed your 
 inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay that way till the 
 day you leave the earth as if life was already in doggie heaven. You are in 
 the dog house.  Mr. Meany.  
 I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM branding you 
 created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or not, based on what 
 I say on this board. You labeled me and that is not nice. 
 Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult tendencies, 
 beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible to any or all and 
 that is why you attacked me.  You do not trust anyone to be your friend 
 unless they praise you and sit at your heels. 
 Think about it. I want an apology, please.  
   My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were surrounded by 
 pink, puffy stuff. 
   It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me time to 
 think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you attacked me for 
 no reason and that is what I am thankful for.
   I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean. 
 That one line,
 
   If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
 excitement, this would not matter.
 
 mattered to you. 
 
 ...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the MaskedZebra 
 standing up to you about your, non-matter, of my post as I was on my 49th 
 post for the week, kick'em when they're down. 
 
 Have a nice day. 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately 
  that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
  it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
  turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace. 
  
  Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously 
  on the lives of others is so TM. 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with 
   complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red 
   fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available 
   if only to break through their awareness as something more 
   that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with 
   dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. 
   Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals.
  
  Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To
  Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence
  course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right?
  
  :-)
 
 For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing 
 just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process!  

My point exactly.
   
   Since this post is the last of two for this week, and this may turn out 
   rather long because of that as mentioned in the beginning of this 
   sentence,  I wish to ask Mr. Turq 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

 feel stroked on this one.  I wish 
you peace and self-acceptance on your journey through life.  

P.S.  To Robin, per your comment below and in case you also read this very 
mundane response; while I may be of the same gender, I am *not* another 
Obbajeeba any more than you another Ravi. Capiche?   However, I agree with your 
sentiment that Barry used the same patronizing, derogatory and dismissive tone 
on me last week, but I got off a few insults in my defense in descending to his 
level, so I feel at peace with the whole thing.  And, I hope he is listening, 
as Barry, I took your advice and watched this week.  I agree with you in your 
decision to no longer read anyone that upsets your carefully constructed 
self-image - what's the point? In your case, I would recommend that you stay 
with the light humor and movie review mode here on FFL, with the occasional 
moments of clarity generalizing the behavior of others, given your 
self-assessed undeniable insight.  It would be so much more pleasant for you 
and those on your DNRL, isn't that true? 




 From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
Several of nature's people
I know, and they know me;
I feel for them a transport
Or cordiality;

But never met this fellow,
Attended or alone,
Without a tighter breathing
And zero at the bone.*

*for confirmation of Emily's experience, read Barry's post to obbajeeba.

(Another Emily)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
 word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
 certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
   to read it—for this very...
  
  I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
  read anymore. 
 
 That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
 
 I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
 First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
 pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
 their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
 attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it. 
 
 Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
 
 How'd I do?  :-)
 
 The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
 
 Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
 on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
 pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
 what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
 
 Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
 posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
 That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
 FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
 special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
 So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
 the post you're referring to. 
 
 My crime? I think he's a total ego-dork, and don't find
 him interesting enough to bother with. The crime of the
 people back in Fairfield? Who knows. But we DO know one
 thing -- in both cases 1) he felt that it was his RIGHT
 to abuse someone by pointing out their weaknesses or
 their demons, and 2) he felt that it was almost the DUTY
 of the person being abused to not only stand there and
 take it, but be somehow grateful for it. That's classic
 abuser mentality.
 
 What a load of ego-crap. What insanity. 
 
 *Especially* in a followup to a post originally (I assume)
 criticizing me for telling Obbajeeba that I wasn't at all
 impressed by her whiny pleas for more of my attention. I 
 got the feeling from Message View that both he and the 
 Judester thought it was BAD of me to suggest to her that 
 she might be better served by getting a life of her own 
 than by obsessing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Er, Judy, do not second guess the perfection of your original post here - it 
was divine, I must say.  Now, please, have pity on us incoherants and do 
consult with the Others and get back to us, as time and intention dictate. We 
are, after all, waiting for something new and worthy to obsess on.  Ho ho ho. 
   

P.S.  I won't hold my breath :)



 From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
snip
 (MZ, front and center, please. I'd like a word with you. No,
 just leave the harp where you found it. You don't know how
 to play it anyway. I'm going to give you something much
 more interesting to play with, something red-hot, heh heh.)

Er, that didn't come out quite the way I meant it. I had in
mind *red-hot coals* to fit with the mise-en-scene here.
Punishment for MZ, IOW. Yoicks.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[seventhray1]

Hey Robin,

I read this all, and enjoyed it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

 Robin: Just for fun Barry, especially since I did read every word of
the following rant, and can therefore almost certainly tell you what it
means and what motivated it.

 Barry: Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read aword of
the rant that you're referring to, but can almostcertainly tell you what
it said, and what motivated it.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
  
   For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you
   to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this?
   Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing
   Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you
   would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue
   to read it—for this very...
 
 Steve: I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't*
  read anymore.

 Barry: That's because you're sane, Steve. :-)

 Robin: Knockdown argument here manifested. Saneness made visible

 Barry: I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.

 Robin: You read it, liar.

 Barry: First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
 the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
 ranting.

 Robin: Your hatred is the result of easily 40 years worth of ranting.

 Barry: Second, it went through my post point by point
 and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me,
 pointing out my weaknesses.

 Robin: It succeeded perfectly, or almost perfectly, in this aim.

 Barry: Third, it was so badly
 written that only someone with abysmally low standards
 (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make
 their way through it.

 Robin: There will be readers on FFL who will dispute this. In fact if
you compare Barry's Amsterdam Manifesto on Boring and Uninteresting with
my critique of same, there can be no question about it: Robin's putdown
of Barry, interesting; Barry's manifesto, pretty goddamn boring. You
should read it again, Barry. This would be the unanimous verdict of
anyone who was outside of FFL and knew neither one of us. Happy to have
this hypothesis tested. Although you are doing better in your more
venomous rant here.

 Barry: And fourth, it was so obviously anattack on Barry that no one
other than a person who
 already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it.

 Robin: Not an attack upon you at all, Barry. Just making you
accountable, and demonstrating how silly and worthless was your long
boring and uninteresting manifesto.

 Barry: Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
 cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it.

 Robin: Not sure what you mean here, Barry Boy. I think, according to
what you set out to do here, that it was in fact cruel of me to write
it. But I didn't have to demand that you read it, Barry. You did that on
your own. No one in their right mind who was sane would ever spend a
thousand words commenting on an analysis they didn't read. It would be
too chancy. For all you know, I might have been burying the hatchet.

 As it turns out, however, I *was* burying the hatchet. [Reader
supplies own punchline here.]

 Barry: How'd I do? :-)

 Robin: You're doing fine, Barry. Go on now.

 Barry: The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
 thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
 extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
 changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
 in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.

 Robin: A bipolar mindset, manic, drama queen, mentally ill abuser,
attention vampire. And it all shine forth in my posts—especially the
ones to Barry.

 But an abuser? Do you feel you have been abused, Barry? Well, then, I
have succeeded, although my intent was not to abuse, but to challenge
and refute you.

 The sensation of abuse comes in when its hurts, I suppose. Yeah, you
got abused, Barry. Why don't I abuse more persons on this forum, though.
I need some more victims.

 To satisfy my craving.

 By the way: I have never 'abused' Curtis. Not the way I have abused
you. So I can demonstrate some discrimination in applying my 35 year-old
Unity Consciousness schtick: which *did* violate the personal space of
other human beings. I have stopped doing that, Barry—some 25 years
ago; but if someone acts the part of the liar and abuser here on FFL,
then why should I not, like everyone else, exercise my prerogative to
answer them? You abused obbajeeba. Judy called you on it. I called you
on it. You were so humiliated by that that you wrote your Amsterdam
Manifesto on Boring and Uninteresting, which I replied to with much brio
and delight. You sought to use your manifesto as a means of protecting
you against the charge of having exhibited a very refined 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

Susan, 
It is not difficult for me to understand if I am serious, or joking. 
A nice cool shower can help, if you need a break. Some candles, essential oils, 
pitta, blissful joy. These are good, hum? Achaa.
 : )
I am sorry you are a bit irritable and sensitive, from your admission below,  
as I know I am not (irritable or sensitive).  

Group hug, okay? 
  Group hug. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL12P0Litfg

Come on, put your arms out just like asanas, and sun salutations,  there. Good 
girl. Feel better soon. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 Obba,
 I think it is sometimes difficult to understand whether you are serious, or 
 joking. And also to understand the main point of some of your posts.  Don't 
 take the replies to heart.  After all the drama and back and forth of the 
 past week, we need a break.  I know I am a bit irritable and sensitive, and I 
 imagine you are and Barry is too, along with everyone else.
 
 So my suggestion is, if you can, to let this issue go and forget any words 
 that upset you. Just be genuine and be yourself.  Relax.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that was 
  deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your below 
  strange angry mood, below this post too,  and this comes from my first 
  paragraph in what you so attacked with as my needing to get a life, and you 
  must have missed it in your quick read through, a post you found boring and 
  uninteresting: 
  
   If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
  excitement, this would not matter.
  
  This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your own life?
   I was only trying to rescue you. 
I was reaching out to you. 
 I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly with, 
  because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as 
  Master, feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not get 
  from either male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or kiss. 
  
  The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not exciting in 
  anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.
  
All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and showed 
  your inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay that way 
  till the day you leave the earth as if life was already in doggie heaven. 
  You are in the dog house.  Mr. Meany.  
  I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM branding you 
  created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or not, based on 
  what I say on this board. You labeled me and that is not nice. 
  Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult 
  tendencies, beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible to 
  any or all and that is why you attacked me.  You do not trust anyone to be 
  your friend unless they praise you and sit at your heels. 
  Think about it. I want an apology, please.  
My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were surrounded by 
  pink, puffy stuff. 
It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me time 
  to think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you attacked me 
  for no reason and that is what I am thankful for.
I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean. 
  That one line,
  
If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
  excitement, this would not matter.
  
  mattered to you. 
  
  ...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the MaskedZebra 
  standing up to you about your, non-matter, of my post as I was on my 49th 
  post for the week, kick'em when they're down. 
  
  Have a nice day. 
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately 
   that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
   it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
   turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace. 
   
   Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously 
   on the lives of others is so TM. 
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with 
complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red 
fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available 
if only to break through their awareness as something more 
that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[seventhray1]

written by someone who has access to the faint feeling level many of us
learned about, which by the way seems to  have the qualities of humor,
vulnerability, and strength to name a few


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
 I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that was
deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your below
strange angry mood, below this post too, and this comes from my first
paragraph in what you so attacked with as my needing to get a life, and
you must have missed it in your quick read through, a post you found
boring and uninteresting:

  If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of
excitement, this would not matter.

 This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your own
life?
 I was only trying to rescue you.
 I was reaching out to you.
 I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly with,
because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as
Master, feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not
get from either male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or
kiss.

 The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not
exciting in anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.

 All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and showed
your inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay that way
till the day you leave the earth as if life was already in doggie
heaven. You are in the dog house. Mr. Meany.
 I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM
branding you created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or
not, based on what I say on this board. You labeled me and that is not
nice.
 Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult
tendencies, beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible
to any or all and that is why you attacked me. You do not trust anyone
to be your friend unless they praise you and sit at your heels.
 Think about it. I want an apology, please.
 My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were surrounded
by pink, puffy stuff.
 It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me
time to think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you
attacked me for no reason and that is what I am thankful for.
 I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean.
 That one line,

  If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of
excitement, this would not matter.

 mattered to you.

 ...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the
MaskedZebra standing up to you about your, non-matter, of my post as I
was on my 49th post for the week, kick'em when they're down.

 Have a nice day.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
  that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
  it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
  turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.
 
  Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
  on the lives of others is so TM.
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@
wrote:
  
   Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with
   complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red
   fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available
   if only to break through their awareness as something more
   that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with
   dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie.
   Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals.
 
  Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To
  Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence
  course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right?
 
  :-)

 For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing
 just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process!
   
My point exactly.
  
   Since this post is the last of two for this week, and this may
turn out rather long because of that as mentioned in the beginning of
this sentence, I wish to ask Mr. Turq for some advice. The thinking
process could be upset and that is the purpose and intent of the write.
If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of
excitement, this would not matter. I find your concern for me, Mr. Turq,
a bit appreciating to my jilted mind.
  
   Maybe you have some tantric remedy to offer or share as relief for
such supply of need?
  
   Losing Ravi from here and Emily posting out and Mr. Price and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[seventhray1]

Thank you Emily.  I would be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to
your return.  And I do feel better already.  But it looks to me like
we've traded Ravi for Robin, and I don't feel it's a zero sum game.  I
think we're coming out ahead!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@...
wrote:

 Steve. Â Pull up, pull out...I think I might see a ray of
lightbut, come on Steveyou have a *BIG* heart, I know you
do...look how upset you were about Ravi's dismissal...after all. Â
Here's Madonna for you. Â She's in white. Â

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyBQ0MDDcCQfeature=related



 
 From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:15 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts


 Â
 Let me reply as I go through.
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Dear Steve,
 
  You see what a beautiful rose has flowered from your last post. Your
weakness has been perfectly exploited, and the post which you see here
from Amsterdam is the offspring of your Inspector
Clouseauâ€Neville Chamberlain approach to these disputes.  You
already have me smiling with these references.
 
  Barry is one tricky dude, that's for sure. Poor obbajeeba. She now
knows that Barry acted with justice. I hope she realizes this.
 
  The sadism, it has made you a pawn, and this is only inevitable,
given your refusal to call that nun a burglar when even the judge
declared, based on the evidence, she was guilty of stealing your
mother's jewellery.
 This is a good point.  I do seem to have a blind spot in that
regard.  FTR, it was the detective who coaxed a confession out of
her.  Her date with the judge is coming up.
  No, Barry is much worse than I thought. But I can thank you, Steve,
for drawing him out like this.
 
  Obviously he has made his case. Now go back to his post to
obbajeeba, read it carefully from beginning to end; then read Judy's
post; after that my first post to Barry; and finally read the post to
which Barry is referring here, which, according to him, *he has not
read*.
 
  I think it best just to give him his rightful influence at
FFLâ€even as he, most despicably has refused to speak to me
directly, or make his case inside the context of a counter-argument
which takes me on personally.
 
  He is the subtlest liar there could be. And everything, down to the
last nuance, is, in this post addressed to you, deceitful and
manipulativeâ€but very inspired.
 
  This level of bullshit, it leaves everyone, or almost everyone, with
their head spinning. As it will yours. You see, Steve, Barry has taken
the hard and categorical position vis-a-vis myself that you in principle
refuse to or cannot take. You should take your cues from him. For he has
finally committed himself all the way.
 
  You now can't have it both ways. Either you argue with Barry the way
you have argued with meâ€which you will not do; or if you make the
half-hearted attempt to do so, Barry will just have contempt for you. As
he does even now.Â
 Robin, I will be completely honest.  I pull my punches with
both of you.  And that is all I will say on that for now.Â
  You have allowed yourself to be used, Stevie Baby. And he looked
upon his works. And he saw that it was good.
 How about as Shakespeare in Julies Caesar might say, And
Barry is an h-o-n-o-r-a-b-l-e man.  I couldn't resist that. 
Apropos of nothing Â
  This is on one level great fun; on another level it is politics that
goes well past poor little Nicolo.
 
  You will have to come down, finally, on one side or the other,
Steve.
 
  From strictly a human standpoint I deem this long post by Barry
Wright to be devoid of human feeling, and to be deliberately and
cunningly conceived out of pure malice and deceit. But to perceive this,
well, I guess you'd have to hate Barry as much as I do.
 Yes, I thought Barry's reply to Obbajeeba was a little harsh, but
that's Barry - often.  I mean, even Curtis has called him on
this sometimes.  In particular in one instance when he was harsh
in responding to you.  But, I mean, so what.  Is this a capital
offense? Â
  Lovely man, Barry. And I am only saying this because he has, gentle
FFL reader, refuted me up and down. And this, by cracky, hurts.
 
  As you can imagine.
 
  Barry has found your weakness, Steve, and he has put it to use
big-time. If Barry is who I think he is, then you have just received all
the proof you need of the stupidity and blindness of a particular aspect
of your modus operandi.
 Okay, confession time.  I had my astrological chart done by Hart
Defoe around 25 years ago, and he said I was a slow processor.  And
of course as recently as just last week, I was declared to be a pea
brained heartland retard.  At least I wasn't called a
heartless retard.  Now that might have hurt.Â
  By the way, unless you can testify to me that you have read
obbajeeba's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[seventhray1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 Obba,
 I think it is sometimes difficult to understand whether you are
serious, or joking. And also to understand the main point of some of
your posts. Don't take the replies to heart. After all the drama and
back and forth of the past week, we need a break. I know I am a bit
irritable and sensitive, and I imagine you are and Barry is too, along
with everyone else.

 So my suggestion is, if you can, to let this issue go and forget any
words that upset you. Just be genuine and be yourself. Relax.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
  I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that
was deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your
below strange angry mood, below this post too, and this comes from my
first paragraph in what you so attacked with as my needing to get a
life, and you must have missed it in your quick read through, a post you
found boring and uninteresting:
 
   If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full
of excitement, this would not matter.
 
  This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your own
life?
  I was only trying to rescue you.
  I was reaching out to you.
  I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly
with, because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as
Master, feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not
get from either male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or
kiss.
 
  The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not
exciting in anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.
 
  All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and
showed your inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay
that way till the day you leave the earth as if life was already in
doggie heaven. You are in the dog house. Mr. Meany.
  I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM
branding you created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or
not, based on what I say on this board. You labeled me and that is not
nice.
  Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult
tendencies, beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible
to any or all and that is why you attacked me. You do not trust anyone
to be your friend unless they praise you and sit at your heels.
  Think about it. I want an apology, please.
  My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were
surrounded by pink, puffy stuff.
  It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me
time to think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you
attacked me for no reason and that is what I am thankful for.
  I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean.
  That one line,
 
   If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full
of excitement, this would not matter.
 
  mattered to you.
 
  ...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the
MaskedZebra standing up to you about your, non-matter, of my post as I
was on my 49th post for the week, kick'em when they're down.
 
  Have a nice day.
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
   that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
   it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
   turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.
  
   Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
   on the lives of others is so TM.
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba
no_reply@ wrote:
   
Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with
complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red
fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness
available
if only to break through their awareness as something
more
that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall
with
dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie.
Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals.
  
   Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To
   Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence
   course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right?
  
   :-)
 
  For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing
  just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking
process!

 My point exactly.
   
Since this post is the last of two for this week, and this may
turn out 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

 to go with movies. You meet a nicer class of people.
 
 And speaking of funny, because in your rant on interesting and not 
 interesting you give yourself an *out* at the end by saying that funny 
 overrides everything,  
 here you go.  Will this override everything and warrant a read?  
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81szj1vpEu8feature=youtu.be
 
 THE END of my long and obsessive post to you (as I'm sure you will 
 characterize it), boring to the very end.  Even though I am compassionately 
 trying to get through to you on a couple of things.  But, not to worry, I 
 wrote it for myself as much as for you, Barry, and I will likely continue to 
 read your posts, because your participation in FFL is part of the gig and I 
 am an equal-opportunity reader.  So your ego should feel stroked on this 
 one.  I wish you peace and self-acceptance on your journey through life.  
 
 P.S.  To Robin, per your comment below and in case you also read this very 
 mundane response; while I may be of the same gender, I am *not* another 
 Obbajeeba any more than you another Ravi. Capiche?   However, I agree with 
 your sentiment that Barry used the same patronizing, derogatory and 
 dismissive tone on me last week, but I got off a few insults in my defense in 
 descending to his level, so I feel at peace with the whole thing.  And, I 
 hope he is listening, as Barry, I took your advice and watched this week. 
  I agree with you in your decision to no longer read anyone that upsets your 
 carefully constructed self-image - what's the point? In your case, I would 
 recommend that you stay with the light humor and movie review mode here on 
 FFL, with the occasional moments of clarity generalizing the behavior of 
 others, given your self-assessed undeniable insight.  It would be so much 
 more pleasant for you and those on your DNRL, isn't that true? 
 
 
 
 
  From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:09 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
  
 
   
 Several of nature's people
 I know, and they know me;
 I feel for them a transport
 Of cordiality;
 
 But never met this fellow,
 Attended or alone,
 Without a tighter breathing
 And zero at the bone.*
 
 *for confirmation of Emily's experience, read Barry's post to obbajeeba.
 
 (Another Emily)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
  word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
  certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
   
For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
to read itâ€for this very...
   
   I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
   read anymore. 
  
  That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
  
  I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
  First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
  the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
  ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
  and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
  pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
  written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
  (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
  their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
  attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
  already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it. 
  
  Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
  cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
  
  How'd I do?  :-)
  
  The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
  thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
  extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
  changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
  in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
  
  Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
  on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
  pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
  what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
  
  Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
  posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
  That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
  FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
  special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
  So *of course* that's what he would have done with me in 
  the post you're referring

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aVbJhg23Ao

...susie... : )  It is just that... : )

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  Obba,
  I think it is sometimes difficult to understand whether you are
 serious, or joking. And also to understand the main point of some of
 your posts. Don't take the replies to heart. After all the drama and
 back and forth of the past week, we need a break. I know I am a bit
 irritable and sensitive, and I imagine you are and Barry is too, along
 with everyone else.
 
  So my suggestion is, if you can, to let this issue go and forget any
 words that upset you. Just be genuine and be yourself. Relax.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
   I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that
 was deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your
 below strange angry mood, below this post too, and this comes from my
 first paragraph in what you so attacked with as my needing to get a
 life, and you must have missed it in your quick read through, a post you
 found boring and uninteresting:
  
If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full
 of excitement, this would not matter.
  
   This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your own
 life?
   I was only trying to rescue you.
   I was reaching out to you.
   I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly
 with, because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as
 Master, feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not
 get from either male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or
 kiss.
  
   The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not
 exciting in anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.
  
   All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and
 showed your inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay
 that way till the day you leave the earth as if life was already in
 doggie heaven. You are in the dog house. Mr. Meany.
   I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM
 branding you created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or
 not, based on what I say on this board. You labeled me and that is not
 nice.
   Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult
 tendencies, beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible
 to any or all and that is why you attacked me. You do not trust anyone
 to be your friend unless they praise you and sit at your heels.
   Think about it. I want an apology, please.
   My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were
 surrounded by pink, puffy stuff.
   It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me
 time to think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you
 attacked me for no reason and that is what I am thankful for.
   I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean.
   That one line,
  
If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full
 of excitement, this would not matter.
  
   mattered to you.
  
   ...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the
 MaskedZebra standing up to you about your, non-matter, of my post as I
 was on my 49th post for the week, kick'em when they're down.
  
   Have a nice day.
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   
If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.
   
Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
on the lives of others is so TM.
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba
 no_reply@ wrote:

 Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with
 complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red
 fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness
 available
 if only to break through their awareness as something
 more
 that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall
 with
 dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie.
 Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals.
   
Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To
Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence
course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

 -- hanging out on an Internet movie
 forum or hanging out on a spiritual forum -- I'd have
 to go with movies. You meet a nicer class of people.
 
 And speaking of funny, because in your rant on interesting and not 
 interesting you give yourself an *out* at the end by saying that funny 
 overrides everything,  
 here you go.  Will this override everything and warrant a read?  
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81szj1vpEu8feature=youtu.be
 
 THE END of my long and obsessive post to you (as I'm sure you will 
 characterize it), boring to the very end.  Even though I am compassionately 
 trying to get through to you on a couple of things.  But, not to worry, I 
 wrote it for myself as much as for you, Barry, and I will likely continue to 
 read your posts, because your participation in FFL is part of the gig and I 
 am an equal-opportunity reader.  So your ego should feel stroked on this 
 one.  I wish you peace and self-acceptance on your journey through life.  
 
 P.S.  To Robin, per your comment below and in case you also read this very 
 mundane response; while I may be of the same gender, I am *not* another 
 Obbajeeba any more than you another Ravi. Capiche?   However, I agree with 
 your sentiment that Barry used the same patronizing, derogatory and 
 dismissive tone on me last week, but I got off a few insults in my defense in 
 descending to his level, so I feel at peace with the whole thing.  And, I 
 hope he is listening, as Barry, I took your advice and watched this week. 
  I agree with you in your decision to no longer read anyone that upsets your 
 carefully constructed self-image - what's the point? In your case, I would 
 recommend that you stay with the light humor and movie review mode here on 
 FFL, with the occasional moments of clarity generalizing the behavior of 
 others, given your self-assessed undeniable insight.  It would be so much 
 more pleasant for you and those on your DNRL, isn't that true? 
 
 
 
 
  From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:09 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
  
 
   
 Several of nature's people
 I know, and they know me;
 I feel for them a transport
 Or cordiality;
 
 But never met this fellow,
 Attended or alone,
 Without a tighter breathing
 And zero at the bone.*
 
 *for confirmation of Emily's experience, read Barry's post to obbajeeba.
 
 (Another Emily)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
  word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
  certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
   
For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
to read itâ€for this very...
   
   I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
   read anymore. 
  
  That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
  
  I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
  First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
  the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
  ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
  and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
  pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
  written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
  (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
  their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
  attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
  already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it. 
  
  Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
  cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
  
  How'd I do?  :-)
  
  The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
  thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
  extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
  changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
  in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
  
  Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
  on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
  pointing out their weaknesses and telling them exactly
  what kinds of demons were possessing them. 
  
  Now think about the post you're talking about, or his many
  posts to Curtis or Vaj. Does the pattern sound familiar?
  That's exactly what he has tried to do since Day One on 
  FFL to Curtis and to anyone else who doesn't treat him as 
  special or authoritative, and allow him to preach at them. 
  So

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

 to get a different perspective on 
  FFL, as a whole and also on its participants. Again, you are undermining 
  your own choices and yourself badly, IMO.  
  
  If I had to recommend to a young person what might be better
  for their evolution -- hanging out on an Internet movie
  forum or hanging out on a spiritual forum -- I'd have
  to go with movies. You meet a nicer class of people.
  
  And speaking of funny, because in your rant on interesting and not 
  interesting you give yourself an *out* at the end by saying that funny 
  overrides everything,  
  here you go.  Will this override everything and warrant a read?  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81szj1vpEu8feature=youtu.be
  
  THE END of my long and obsessive post to you (as I'm sure you will 
  characterize it), boring to the very end.  Even though I am 
  compassionately trying to get through to you on a couple of things.  But, 
  not to worry, I wrote it for myself as much as for you, Barry, and I will 
  likely continue to read your posts, because your participation in FFL is 
  part of the gig and I am an equal-opportunity reader.  So your ego should 
  feel stroked on this one.  I wish you peace and self-acceptance on your 
  journey through life.  
  
  P.S.  To Robin, per your comment below and in case you also read this very 
  mundane response; while I may be of the same gender, I am *not* another 
  Obbajeeba any more than you another Ravi. Capiche?   However, I agree with 
  your sentiment that Barry used the same patronizing, derogatory and 
  dismissive tone on me last week, but I got off a few insults in my defense 
  in descending to his level, so I feel at peace with the whole thing.  And, 
  I hope he is listening, as Barry, I took your advice and watched this 
  week.  I agree with you in your decision to no longer read anyone that 
  upsets your carefully constructed self-image - what's the point? In your 
  case, I would recommend that you stay with the light humor and movie review 
  mode here on FFL, with the occasional moments of clarity generalizing the 
  behavior of others, given your self-assessed undeniable insight.  It would 
  be so much more pleasant for you and those on your DNRL, isn't that true? 
  
  
  
  
   From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:09 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
   
  
    
  Several of nature's people
  I know, and they know me;
  I feel for them a transport
  Or cordiality;
  
  But never met this fellow,
  Attended or alone,
  Without a tighter breathing
  And zero at the bone.*
  
  *for confirmation of Emily's experience, read Barry's post to obbajeeba.
  
  (Another Emily)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Just for fun, Steve, especially because I didn't read a 
   word of the rant that you're referring to, but can almost 
   certainly tell you what it said, and what motivated it.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:

 For instance, I feel it would be cruel of me to ask you 
 to read my last long post to Barry. And why is this? 
 Because the extent to which it was successfully exposing 
 Barry's weakness, is precisely the extent to which you 
 would not like it. And in fact, you *couldn't* continue 
 to read itâ€for this very...

I read about a third of it. And you are right, I *couldn't* 
read anymore. 
   
   That's because you're sane, Steve.  :-)
   
   I didn't read any of it, but I can tell you all about it.
   First, it was long, at least a couple of thousand words,
   the result of easily half an hour or an hour's worth of
   ranting. Second, it went through my post point by point 
   and tried to turn each point into a condemnation of me, 
   pointing out my weaknesses. Third, it was so badly 
   written that only someone with abysmally low standards 
   (like an avid Dan Brown reader) would be able to make 
   their way through it. And fourth, it was so obviously an 
   attack on Barry that no one other than a person who 
   already had a grudge against him would *want* to read it. 
   
   Also, it was cruel to ask you to read it, but it wasn't
   cruel of him to write it, or to demand that I read it. 
   
   How'd I do?  :-)
   
   The reason I'm bothering to comment is to point out some-
   thing that has been pointed out before by Vaj and to some
   extent by Curtis -- the fact that Robin's act *has not
   changed in the least since he was a faux spiritual teacher
   in Fairfield*. It's the same old same old. He's an abuser.
   
   Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
   on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
   pointing out their weaknesses and telling them

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Er, Judy, do not second guess the perfection of your original
 post here - it was divine, I must say.  Now, please, have pity
 on us incoherants and do consult with the Others and get back
 to us, as time and intention dictate. We are, after all, 
 waiting for something new and worthy to obsess on. Ho ho ho.
 
 P.S. I won't hold my breath :)

No, DO NOT hold your breath. We've had some extra-special
prana piped in after the recent, uh, disturbance. It'll
make you feel real fine; you don't want to interrupt the
effect. I'll see what I can do to rustle you up a nice
relaxing obsession.

(Let me know if you can hear the harps, by the way. We
may need to up the prana dosage if we find they're still
getting through.)




 
 
 
  From: authfriend jstein@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
  
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
  (MZ, front and center, please. I'd like a word with you. No,
  just leave the harp where you found it. You don't know how
  to play it anyway. I'm going to give you something much
  more interesting to play with, something red-hot, heh heh.)
 
 Er, that didn't come out quite the way I meant it. I had in
 mind *red-hot coals* to fit with the mise-en-scene here.
 Punishment for MZ, IOW. Yoicks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

I agree. The original post of Judy's as subject below of, red and hot, fits the 
description very well as so is the obsession worthy to have.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Er, Judy, do not second guess the perfection of your original post here - it 
 was divine, I must say.  Now, please, have pity on us incoherants and do 
 consult with the Others and get back to us, as time and intention dictate. We 
 are, after all, waiting for something new and worthy to obsess on.  Ho ho 
 ho.    
 
 P.S.  I won't hold my breath :)
 
 
 
  From: authfriend jstein@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
  
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
  (MZ, front and center, please. I'd like a word with you. No,
  just leave the harp where you found it. You don't know how
  to play it anyway. I'm going to give you something much
  more interesting to play with, something red-hot, heh heh.)
 
 Er, that didn't come out quite the way I meant it. I had in
 mind *red-hot coals* to fit with the mise-en-scene here.
 Punishment for MZ, IOW. Yoicks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[obbajeeba]

I agree. The original post of Judy's as subject below of, red and hot, fits the 
description very well as so is the obsession worthy to have.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Er, Judy, do not second guess the perfection of your original post here - it 
 was divine, I must say.  Now, please, have pity on us incoherants and do 
 consult with the Others and get back to us, as time and intention dictate. We 
 are, after all, waiting for something new and worthy to obsess on.  Ho ho 
 ho.    
 
 P.S.  I won't hold my breath :)
 
 
 
  From: authfriend jstein@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:38 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
  
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
  (MZ, front and center, please. I'd like a word with you. No,
  just leave the harp where you found it. You don't know how
  to play it anyway. I'm going to give you something much
  more interesting to play with, something red-hot, heh heh.)
 
 Er, that didn't come out quite the way I meant it. I had in
 mind *red-hot coals* to fit with the mise-en-scene here.
 Punishment for MZ, IOW. Yoicks.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Oh, well that clears it up.  Emily Dickinson...I want to read her poetry.  
Thank you for reminding me. The way things have been going here, I just wasn't 
sure.  Life is surreal right now.  Thank you Robin.  



 From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
Ah, dear Emily: The Emily referred to at the end of the poem is Emily 
DICKINSON—no other Emily. The cold reptilian creature that 
Emily—Dickinson—wrote about had some relevance for the zero at the bone 
sensation that obbajeeba must have experienced when Barry couldn't help himself 
and injected obbajeeba with his mystical venom. As often as I remember you, 
Emily—and I owe you a post—you were not in thoughts whatsoever when it came to 
the obbajeeba episode. Emily Dickinson was describing her experience of a 
snake. See my final paragraph in my last post to the Barry guy. 

Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Barry, here is my heartfelt and light response to several of your recent 
 posts.  Yes, I included a funny for you in video format, although not 
 nearly as face value funny as the Kate Winslet clip re: gender perceptions. 
  Nor as humorous and gentle and as Merudanda's posts.  Mine is focused more 
 on social convention as an art :)
 
 For context of my post, consider that perhaps some or many FFL participants 
 are giving similar treatment to all members in acknowledging and witnessing 
 their posts as being written by human beings; of participating in a 
 conversation; of expressing and sharing different points of view; of serving 
 as entertainment or provoking thought with regard to the topics discussed; or 
 aiding in understanding the human condition and ourselves better.
 
 IMO, you misconstrued (and changed the reality) of Obba's email to you by 
 representing it as a whiny plea for attention from you and you would also 
 have your readers believe that you were being compassionate in your 
 response.  Is that how you were feeling about the dreck?  I thought you 
 were angry.  It's O.K. - we all get angry now and again, Barry, and this is 
 now all in the past and the dirty laundry has been aired out..  
 
 Barry, do you really think that all of us who respond to you, who you don't 
 like, or who you continually put down, are just looking for attention from 
 you? And you go even further in assuming this (and I read you here at face 
 value as you seem so intent on making this point): 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches. :-)
 
 And they will continue to be as long as they continue
 obsessing on me...
 
 You are most definitely not prescient, IMHO.  Could you have predicted 
 that in Ravi's absence, you would choose to assume this part of his internet 
 character where you now refer to *THEY* that read your posts and respond to 
 you in ways that offend you as obsessed with you and your bitches?  So 
 funny, Barry, you must see the humor in this, n'est-ce pas?  I hope you 
 weren't serious.  You just have been presenting in such a depressed manner 
 of late (IMO), I'm not sure anymore.
 
 Barry, you so undersell yourself herethink better of yourself, man.  In 
 the context you wrote it, why assume that the only reason I might read you, 
 for example, is because I am obsessing on you?  Was it meant as a put-down 
 to your readers that don't always agree with you? It says more about your own 
 self-worth.  Maybe I think you may have something to say that could be 
 interesting, regardless of whether I appreciate all of your posts all the 
 time, and regardless of whether I comment back to you in ways you don't 
 always like. 
 
 And, this statement below from another of your posts is also truly amazing 
 coming out of your mouth.  Why are you here?  What is the payoff of staying 
 here?  You could easily correspond offline with those people you deem worth 
 reading - why suffer here year after year?  There is a reason, Barry, and I 
 hope you continue to stay until you figure it out.  Barry, IMHO, you don't 
 see trends - how can you when you only look at some of the data? You don't 
 see the forest through the trees - how can you when you are so far in the 
 forest yourself on a daily basis?  If you were to decide to take a few weeks 
 off, or even maybe one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Ha ha...Jefferson Airplane.  Brings back memories of my first year in college 
high on hallucinogens up on the snow fields above Boulder, CO, communing with 
the oneness of nature and in particular, the trees.  Sliding down the snow 
fields to a big bonfire waiting for it all to wear off.  No wonder I flunked 
math that semester - couldn't find a single reason to attend class.  Thank 
goodness it did wear off :)



 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
Beautiful. 
Welcome back, Emily.

You give such a kind way to botox the turq's value up. 
Tendering his heart is what is needed for him to see not all women carry a 
whiny tone as he interpreted. If only he could here the voice, he would feel so 
much different in what he reads. The non squeaky, clear as a bell sooth, he 
misses in his extraction of meanings from the words typed, like 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcWZV-FHB2U
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZPmZ64m3_4   or 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Ckee7rabM
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0
Turq just has the wrong tone in his musical ear when he reads the typed words 
from the babes of FFL.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 Barry, here is my heartfelt and light response to several of your recent 
 posts.  Yes, I included a funny for you in video format, although not 
 nearly as face value funny as the Kate Winslet clip re: gender perceptions. 
  Nor as humorous and gentle and as Merudanda's posts.  Mine is focused more 
 on social convention as an art :)
 
 For context of my post, consider that perhaps some or many FFL participants 
 are giving similar treatment to all members in acknowledging and witnessing 
 their posts as being written by human beings; of participating in a 
 conversation; of expressing and sharing different points of view; of serving 
 as entertainment or provoking thought with regard to the topics discussed; or 
 aiding in understanding the human condition and ourselves better.
 
 IMO, you misconstrued (and changed the reality) of Obba's email to you by 
 representing it as a whiny plea for attention from you and you would also 
 have your readers believe that you were being compassionate in your 
 response.  Is that how you were feeling about the dreck?  I thought you 
 were angry.  It's O.K. - we all get angry now and again, Barry, and this is 
 now all in the past and the dirty laundry has been aired out..  
 
 Barry, do you really think that all of us who respond to you, who you don't 
 like, or who you continually put down, are just looking for attention from 
 you? And you go even further in assuming this (and I read you here at face 
 value as you seem so intent on making this point): 
 
 But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
 word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
 multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
 hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
 
 Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
 trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
 They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
 but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
 read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
 anything else.
 
 As Ravi might say, they're my bitches. :-)
 
 And they will continue to be as long as they continue
 obsessing on me...
 
 You are most definitely not prescient, IMHO.  Could you have predicted 
 that in Ravi's absence, you would choose to assume this part of his internet 
 character where you now refer to *THEY* that read your posts and respond to 
 you in ways that offend you as obsessed with you and your bitches?  So 
 funny, Barry, you must see the humor in this, n'est-ce pas?  I hope you 
 weren't serious.  You just have been presenting in such a depressed manner 
 of late (IMO), I'm not sure anymore.
 
 Barry, you so undersell yourself herethink better of yourself, man.  In 
 the context you wrote it, why assume that the only reason I might read you, 
 for example, is because I am obsessing on you?  Was it meant as a put-down 
 to your readers that don't always agree with you? It says more about your own 
 self-worth.  Maybe I think you may have something to say that could be 
 interesting, regardless of whether I appreciate all of your posts all the 
 time, and regardless of whether I comment back to you in ways you don't 
 always like. 
 
 And, this statement below from another of your posts is also truly amazing 
 coming out of your mouth.  Why are you here?  What is the payoff of staying 
 here?  You could easily correspond offline with those people you deem worth 
 reading - why suffer here year after year?  There is a reason, Barry, and I 
 hope you continue to stay until you figure it out

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
If anybody's ever wondered why I say Barry is apsychological sadist, this post 
should answeryour question.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
 that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
 it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
 turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.

 Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
 on the lives of others is so TM.



RESPONSE: Thank heaven you said this, Judy. It is a wonder to me that obbajeeba 
would even dream of being so generous and kind and open to this individual 
without anticipating his mystical hatred and violence coming right back at 
her—to cruelly disorient her, to stun her, to incapacitate her—if he could. 
Yes, this is sadism, and a very pure strain of it.

Barry Wright deliberately acted as if he did not catch the warmth and 
playfulness and cheerfulness of obbajeeba's attempt to amuse and disarm him. He 
perversely interpreted her post as the basis to project that she was literally 
desperate for affection, when he knew this was a lie.

This is fundamental Barry: to ignore the real meaning of something, to pass 
over it, to immunize himself from any experience which would ask something from 
him: and then, from within this self-enclosed and arbitrary stance, to then 
make of something what he knows very consciously is not what it really is.

Sadism, malice, cruelty, perversity. It is all there. I am astounded that 
someone like Susan—or, for that matter, anyone who (just like obbajeeba was 
when she posted what resulted in Barry's post) is an apologist for Barry—will 
refuse to see the painful and shocking truth of what Barry has revealed about 
himself here.

Obbajeeba, at least, finally knows how naive and mistaken she was about her 
friend Barry.

She only has to recall her immediate experience of reading what Barry wrote to 
her.

And I defy anyone with a clear conscience—well, there will be one exception to 
this, but I won't name him: he will certainly remake Barry's post into 
something which causes a kind of sleight of mind metamorphosis, and Barry's 
post will be seen in the light of this person's aggressive but effective 
recreation of it (even though as he does this, he knowingly is engaged in an 
act of deliberate, but oh so seductive, deceit)—as I say, I defy anyone with a 
clear conscience to argue against the interpretation Judy, and then myself (Ah, 
the conspiracy!) have given to this post of Barry Wright.

Barry obviously derived a frisson of ecstasy in sensing how he shocked 
obbajeeba.

But I suspect the majority of readers at FFL will choose to shut their eyes to 
what Barry has done and not challenge their convenient first assumptions, thus 
making this event as if it didn't really happen.

This undoubtedly will be the fate of this post. I guarantee it.

There is little real courage among the posters here at FFL. Oh, you don't like 
that? Then refute what I have said.

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with 
   complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red 
   fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available 
   if only to break through their awareness as something more 
   that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with 
   dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. 
   Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals.
  
  Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To
  Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence
  course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right?
  
  :-)
 
 For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing 
 just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process!  

My point exactly.
   
   Since this post is the last of two for this week, and this may turn out 
   rather long because of that as mentioned in the beginning of this 
   sentence,  I wish to ask Mr. Turq for some advice. The thinking process 
   could be upset and that is the purpose and intent of the write. If the 
   regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of excitement, 
   this would not matter. I find your concern for me, Mr. Turq, a bit 
   appreciating to my jilted mind. 
   
   Maybe you have some tantric remedy to offer or share as relief for such 
   supply of need? 
   
   Losing Ravi from here and Emily posting out and Mr. Price and wife 
   disappearing and the MaskedZoro 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:35 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 
  
 
   
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ]
  On Behalf Of obbajeeba
  Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:09 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
 
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
  
  
  Just wanting more clarification if you have the time, please. : )
  
  Honoring anonymity. If one does an email search through google and finds
  someone out, as to what their name is, then what you are saying is no one
  has a right on this forum to expose who they actually are? 
  
  
  
  Correct. For instance, it's easy to go to Curtis's website and learn his
  real name, but he doesn't want that posted here, with all sorts of
 profanity
  and false accusations attached to it. That could turn up in internet
  searches by potential employers.
 
 Just like zarzari did with my name twice, some time ago under his current
 incarnation and previously as azgrey.
 
 Like Curtis, I'm also a freelancer. Just saying.
 
 I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been deleted?
 Would you like me to?


Thanks Rick. Alex took swift action and deleted the last one and suspended the 
culprit a few days until he got the idea. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:41 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.

Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
on the lives of others is so TM.



Someone should start a cartoon, like the 'What Would Jesus Do?'  
series What Would Guru Dev Do? or What Would Marshy Do?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:41 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
  that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
  it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
  turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.
 
  Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
  on the lives of others is so TM.
 
 Someone should start a cartoon, like the 'What Would Jesus Do?'  
 series What Would Guru Dev Do? or What Would Marshy Do?

Or even What would a grownup do?

I know teenagers who would be embarrassed at the level
of whiny Look at me or Pay attention to me or worse,
Argue with me behavior we see on this forum.  

There is a simple bottom line. If you want people to pay
attention to you as if you were actually interesting, 
*be more interesting*. End of story.

I honestly think that some of this behavior can be traced
back to the TMO. The only way you could get Maharishi or
his minions to pay attention to you in that movement were
1) to already be famous, 2) to give them money, 3) to 
claim experiences of supposed higher states of consciousness 
(which, interestingly, more often got the attention-seekers
thrown out than paid attention to), fake some scientific
research, or act out in some Off The Program manner. 

Having an actual life that you find fulfilling and meaningful
counts as nothing to the TMO. Being actually happy counts as
nothing to the TMO. Doing things in the real world like self-
less service or activism counts for nothing. The only things
that counted when he was alive and count now that he's dead
are paying lip service to Mahesh and/or his teachings, 
contributing a lot of money, and claiming to be enlightened. 

None of these things tend to impress people in the real world. 
And none of them impress me. If those are the only ways you 
can think of to get people to focus on you, I may feel sorry 
for you, but not sorry enough to waste my time on you. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 There is little real courage among the posters here at FFL. Oh, you
don't like that? Then refute what I have said.


Speaking of the courage of FFL posters, how about coming through with
my request for you to elaborate on the blind spots of mine you referred
to in my reply to zarzari's post a little while ago.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[feste37]

I don't understand, MZ. Only a week or so ago you wrote a long post practically 
deifying Barry and excoriating Judy, but now you seem to have returned to your 
former position. You are making me dizzy, MZ. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 If anybody's ever wondered why I say Barry is apsychological sadist, this 
 post should answeryour question.
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
  that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
  it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
  turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.
 
  Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
  on the lives of others is so TM.
 
 
 
 RESPONSE: Thank heaven you said this, Judy. It is a wonder to me that 
 obbajeeba would even dream of being so generous and kind and open to this 
 individual without anticipating his mystical hatred and violence coming right 
 back at her—to cruelly disorient her, to stun her, to incapacitate her—if he 
 could. Yes, this is sadism, and a very pure strain of it.
 
 Barry Wright deliberately acted as if he did not catch the warmth and 
 playfulness and cheerfulness of obbajeeba's attempt to amuse and disarm him. 
 He perversely interpreted her post as the basis to project that she was 
 literally desperate for affection, when he knew this was a lie.
 
 This is fundamental Barry: to ignore the real meaning of something, to pass 
 over it, to immunize himself from any experience which would ask something 
 from him: and then, from within this self-enclosed and arbitrary stance, to 
 then make of something what he knows very consciously is not what it really 
 is.
 
 Sadism, malice, cruelty, perversity. It is all there. I am astounded that 
 someone like Susan—or, for that matter, anyone who (just like obbajeeba was 
 when she posted what resulted in Barry's post) is an apologist for Barry—will 
 refuse to see the painful and shocking truth of what Barry has revealed about 
 himself here.
 
 Obbajeeba, at least, finally knows how naive and mistaken she was about her 
 friend Barry.
 
 She only has to recall her immediate experience of reading what Barry wrote 
 to her.
 
 And I defy anyone with a clear conscience—well, there will be one exception 
 to this, but I won't name him: he will certainly remake Barry's post into 
 something which causes a kind of sleight of mind metamorphosis, and Barry's 
 post will be seen in the light of this person's aggressive but effective 
 recreation of it (even though as he does this, he knowingly is engaged in an 
 act of deliberate, but oh so seductive, deceit)—as I say, I defy anyone with 
 a clear conscience to argue against the interpretation Judy, and then myself 
 (Ah, the conspiracy!) have given to this post of Barry Wright.
 
 Barry obviously derived a frisson of ecstasy in sensing how he shocked 
 obbajeeba.
 
 But I suspect the majority of readers at FFL will choose to shut their eyes 
 to what Barry has done and not challenge their convenient first assumptions, 
 thus making this event as if it didn't really happen.
 
 This undoubtedly will be the fate of this post. I guarantee it.
 
 There is little real courage among the posters here at FFL. Oh, you don't 
 like that? Then refute what I have said.
 
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
   
Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with 
complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red 
fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available 
if only to break through their awareness as something more 
that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with 
dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. 
Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals.
   
   Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To
   Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence
   course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right?
   
   :-)
  
  For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing 
  just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process!  
 
 My point exactly.

Since this post is the last of two for this week, and this may turn out 
rather long because of that as mentioned in the beginning of this 
sentence,  I wish to ask Mr. Turq for some advice. The thinking process 
could be upset and that is the purpose and intent of the write. If the 
regular life 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 I don't understand, MZ. Only a week or so ago you wrote a 
 long post practically deifying Barry and excoriating Judy, 
 but now you seem to have returned to your former position. 
 You are making me dizzy, MZ. 

Irony -- saying the opposite of what you really
mean. In other words, lying.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

  Advice? Get a life, then write about it. 
  Living vicariously on the lives of others 
  is so TM.
  
maskedzebra: 
 There is little real courage among the posters 
 here at FFL. Oh, you don't like that? Then 
 refute what I have said...

For the record, I think Barry Wright sucks as a
spiritual teacher. I've said this dozens of times
on this news-forum and on USENET. 

Wright is without a doubt one of the most trollish 
informants posting on the internet - he's right 
up there with Lon P. Stacks, fer sure!

Here's an example of his writing when I attempted
to engage him in a discussion of a book I read
by Wasserman about the Cathars:

Willy, Willy, Willy, you're such an idiot 
sometimes it actually inspires awe.  :-)

I'm not interested in cheap, cheezy shit
you can find on the Net about the Cathars,
most of it fiction...

Read more:

From: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Re: Question for Delia -- Catharism
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: September 11, 2004 02:26:49 PST
http://tinyurl.com/6mfra4g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... 
wrote:

 
 
 Wright is without a doubt one of the most trollish 
 informants posting on the internet - he's right 
 up there with Lon P. Stacks, fer sure!

http://www.verheyden.org/obits/obituaries.php/obitID/681023

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

  Wright is without a doubt one of the most trollish
  informants posting on the internet - he's right
  up there with Lon P. Stacks, fer sure!
 
Alex Stanley:
 http://www.verheyden.org/obits/obituaries.php/obitID/681023

R.I.P.

And, while you're at it, please delete this offensive
post by the Yahoo! FFL Moderator, Rick Archer, and
warn him if he persists in his trollish behavior, he will
be banned from FFL. Thanks, Alex.

Rick Archer:
Is it not the most beautiful and terrifying thing this
side of Lynne Cheney in a ball gag and the Olsen Twins
eating ham sandwiches off each other's sunken rib
cages?

Subject: Mark Morford: Is Tom Cruise The Messiah?
Author: Rick Archer
Date: February 2, 2007 9:57 am
FairfieldLife/message/129987
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/129987

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

Seems then, Feste37, you *can* go on Letterman and hold you own. Pitch perfect.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 
 
 I don't understand, MZ. Only a week or so ago you wrote a long post 
 practically deifying Barry and excoriating Judy, but now you seem to have 
 returned to your former position. You are making me dizzy, MZ. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  If anybody's ever wondered why I say Barry is apsychological sadist, this 
  post should answeryour question.
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
   that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
   it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
   turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.
  
   Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
   on the lives of others is so TM.
  
  
  
  RESPONSE: Thank heaven you said this, Judy. It is a wonder to me that 
  obbajeeba would even dream of being so generous and kind and open to this 
  individual without anticipating his mystical hatred and violence coming 
  right back at her—to cruelly disorient her, to stun her, to incapacitate 
  her—if he could. Yes, this is sadism, and a very pure strain of it.
  
  Barry Wright deliberately acted as if he did not catch the warmth and 
  playfulness and cheerfulness of obbajeeba's attempt to amuse and disarm 
  him. He perversely interpreted her post as the basis to project that she 
  was literally desperate for affection, when he knew this was a lie.
  
  This is fundamental Barry: to ignore the real meaning of something, to pass 
  over it, to immunize himself from any experience which would ask something 
  from him: and then, from within this self-enclosed and arbitrary stance, to 
  then make of something what he knows very consciously is not what it really 
  is.
  
  Sadism, malice, cruelty, perversity. It is all there. I am astounded that 
  someone like Susan—or, for that matter, anyone who (just like obbajeeba was 
  when she posted what resulted in Barry's post) is an apologist for 
  Barry—will refuse to see the painful and shocking truth of what Barry has 
  revealed about himself here.
  
  Obbajeeba, at least, finally knows how naive and mistaken she was about her 
  friend Barry.
  
  She only has to recall her immediate experience of reading what Barry wrote 
  to her.
  
  And I defy anyone with a clear conscience—well, there will be one exception 
  to this, but I won't name him: he will certainly remake Barry's post into 
  something which causes a kind of sleight of mind metamorphosis, and Barry's 
  post will be seen in the light of this person's aggressive but effective 
  recreation of it (even though as he does this, he knowingly is engaged in 
  an act of deliberate, but oh so seductive, deceit)—as I say, I defy anyone 
  with a clear conscience to argue against the interpretation Judy, and then 
  myself (Ah, the conspiracy!) have given to this post of Barry Wright.
  
  Barry obviously derived a frisson of ecstasy in sensing how he shocked 
  obbajeeba.
  
  But I suspect the majority of readers at FFL will choose to shut their eyes 
  to what Barry has done and not challenge their convenient first 
  assumptions, thus making this event as if it didn't really happen.
  
  This undoubtedly will be the fate of this post. I guarantee it.
  
  There is little real courage among the posters here at FFL. Oh, you don't 
  like that? Then refute what I have said.
  
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ 
wrote:

 Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with 
 complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red 
 fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available 
 if only to break through their awareness as something more 
 that tangible, all muddled together 75 foot lead wall with 
 dancing football cheerleaders in cowboy lingerie. 
 Nabby not included. He has some morals about morals.

Let me guess. You've been taking the same How To
Write Completely Incoherent English correspondence
course that MZ, Ravi, and Bob Price took, right?

:-)
   
   For me, the thought/concern/problem was the the writing 
   just might be an accurate reflection of the thinking process!  
  
  My point exactly.
 
 Since this post is the last of two for this 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[maskedzebra]

As you will see, Feste37, the irony here goes much much deeper than my post to 
BW. His mastery of the art—lying—escapes the detection of almost every one of 
us. Study him: and if you do, you just might discover one of the politically 
incorrect secrets of the universe.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  I don't understand, MZ. Only a week or so ago you wrote a 
  long post practically deifying Barry and excoriating Judy, 
  but now you seem to have returned to your former position. 
  You are making me dizzy, MZ. 
 
 Irony -- saying the opposite of what you really
 mean. In other words, lying.  :-)