Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try itYou don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
A comment to be expected from the Turq. We all know that psychiatric wards are full of people being treated with psychofarma for having glimpses of higher states of consciousness they are not able to integrate in daily life. Experiences any real Sadhana will also give. The reason the Turq doesn't understand this is because he is a quitter that never did any Sadhana for any length of time in his entire life, instead choosing to live in a fantasy world believing his guru is respected and welcomed by heads of state everywhere. I'm sure there is a diagnosis for such fantasies as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : A comment to be expected from the Turq. We all know that psychiatric wards are full of people being treated with psychofarma for having glimpses of higher states of consciousness they are not able to integrate in daily life. Experiences any real Sadhana will also give. The reason the Turq doesn't understand this is because he is a quitter that never did any Sadhana for any length of time in his entire life, instead choosing to live in a fantasy world believing his guru is respected and welcomed by heads of state everywhere. I'm sure there is a diagnosis for such fantasies as well. But how do you know that temples aren't just full of mentally ill people who have managed to integrate personality break-up into daily life? One man's sadhana is another man's bipolar. Maybe the crazy delusional freaks should be in charge of the world's religions. Erm ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
the guy’s
persistence, but out on the road, in the quiet of his Comfort Inn, does he feel
like the Willy Loman of the guru circuit?
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
A comment to be expected from the Turq. We all know that psychiatric wards
are full of people being treated with psychofarma for having glimpses of higher
states of consciousness they are not able to integrate in daily life.
Experiences any real Sadhana will also give. The reason the Turq doesn't
understand this is because he is a quitter that never did any Sadhana for any
length of time in his entire life, instead choosing to live in a fantasy world
believing his guru is respected and welcomed by heads of state everywhere.
I'm sure there is a diagnosis for such fantasies as well.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that
any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic.
When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does
not disappear.
Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-)
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness,
literally. Try itYou don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person
for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or
blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and
the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be
anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to
resolve.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
What Nabby is describing is called retinal fatique, prolonged staring at an object without the eyes moving exhausts the chemistry in the retina responsible for the detection of light. If when this happens and you look away at a light surface, you see a negative image, colours reversed that persists for a while (after image) while the chemistry refreshes. The eyes also do not remain completely still but naturally saccade, which partially helps to prevent retinal fatigue when one is not deliberately staring at something, which reduces but does not eliminate the saccade. Because of the scacade, the after image formed by staring does not perfectly line up with the object which can account for edge effects around the object viewed. I suppose this could be mistaken for some kind of 'spiritual' experience by the uninitiated, but it is just 'looking at something'. Spiritual experiences are just artefacts of the nervous system releasing prior conditioned responses and a person feels, for a while, clearer, freer etc., but eventually realises or rather actually accommodates to the new clearer, freer experience which then just seems normal, everyday. Eventually a realisation comes that the only thing that exists is normal everyday experience, minus certain ideas about what normal everyday experience is. You just live it, you do not think about what it is supposed to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What Nabby is describing is called retinal fatique, prolonged staring at an object without the eyes moving exhausts the chemistry in the retina responsible for the detection of light. Exactly. But they can't feel all self-important and special if they tell people that they experienced plain old everyday retinal fatigue, so they dress it up with fancy Woo Woo language the way that Jim and Nabby just did. If when this happens and you look away at a light surface, you see a negative image, colours reversed that persists for a while (after image) while the chemistry refreshes. The eyes also do not remain completely still but naturally saccade, which partially helps to prevent retinal fatigue when one is not deliberately staring at something, which reduces but does not eliminate the saccade. Because of the scacade, the after image formed by staring does not perfectly line up with the object which can account for edge effects around the object viewed. This is how people see auras, too. I suppose this could be mistaken for some kind of 'spiritual' experience by the uninitiated, but it is just 'looking at something'. Spiritual experiences are just artefacts of the nervous system releasing prior conditioned responses and a person feels, for a while, clearer, freer etc., but eventually realises or rather actually accommodates to the new clearer, freer experience which then just seems normal, everyday. Eventually a realisation comes that the only thing that exists is normal everyday experience, minus certain ideas about what normal everyday experience is. You just live it, you do not think about what it is supposed to be. Bu...bu...bu...but you can't pretend to be SPECIAL if you characterize what you see as normal everyday experience. That would be...uh...normal, and everyday, and people like Jim and Nabby could NEVER admit to being that. What they claim to see has to be as SPECIAL as they claim to be, donchaknow? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
At least Barry was honest enough to admit that he's looking for a new gig. He's gone bat shit crazy these last few days. Can you imagine what i'd be like, if he didn't find this site barely worth participating in?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Nabs, you do have a point. Barry doesn't seem to have much tolerance for those who don't see the world as he does. But this little site, of about 12 active participants appears to be the clam that is a major part of his world. And he regularly pounds his shoe on the podium. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : A comment to be expected from the Turq. We all know that psychiatric wards are full of people being treated with psychofarma for having glimpses of higher states of consciousness they are not able to integrate in daily life. Experiences any real Sadhana will also give. The reason the Turq doesn't understand this is because he is a quitter that never did any Sadhana for any length of time in his entire life, instead choosing to live in a fantasy world believing his guru is respected and welcomed by heads of state everywhere. I'm sure there is a diagnosis for such fantasies as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
yep, this is what Maharishi would probably call, normalization of the eyesight. Once the link from pure Being to activity is realized, through the TMSP, all the senses begin to purify, resolving their ability to bring to consciousness, the entire spectrum of experience, of every sense, from the grossest physical manifestation, through the subtle layers, on to pure awareness. The eyes go first, and then the other senses, so that, after first experiencing the link between pure awareness and any sense, all the rest gets filled in, so to speak. What you describe is energetic sight, and there are many other ways of using the vision, also (incorporating time and space travel, going inside the body, investigating other non-physical realms of existence, and developing relationships there, etc.). This investigation is brought about by having the ability to uncover the entire spectrum of the senses, in a methodical way, taking it out of the realm of the mystical, and instead, as a manifestation of the science of Yoga; Union. The heart is what leads the way, and the rest follows. After the eyes naturally resolve every object into pure awareness, the other senses follow, so that we smell pure awareness, touch it, taste it, and hear pure awareness. Thanks for sharing this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
this was the way Benjamin Creme had become such a perennial icon on the guru circuit for so long: He wasn’t giving a lot away. And as long as he just brings news of Maitreya’s imminent arrival but the Big Guy never shows up, Benjamin Creme is still The Man. But it just makes you wonder: What would it be like to be Benjamin Creme? It’s the old deception versus self-deception thing. You gotta admire the guy’s persistence, but out on the road, in the quiet of his Comfort Inn, does he feel like the Willy Loman of the guru circuit? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence A comment to be expected from the Turq. We all know that psychiatric wards are full of people being treated with psychofarma for having glimpses of higher states of consciousness they are not able to integrate in daily life. Experiences any real Sadhana will also give. The reason the Turq doesn't understand this is because he is a quitter that never did any Sadhana for any length of time in his entire life, instead choosing to live in a fantasy world believing his guru is respected and welcomed by heads of state everywhere. I'm sure there is a diagnosis for such fantasies as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
There is an old saying floating around, to the effect that where the ignorant see light, an enlightened person sees only darkness, and where an enlightened person sees light, the ignorant only sees darkness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : A comment to be expected from the Turq. We all know that psychiatric wards are full of people being treated with psychofarma for having glimpses of higher states of consciousness they are not able to integrate in daily life. Experiences any real Sadhana will also give. The reason the Turq doesn't understand this is because he is a quitter that never did any Sadhana for any length of time in his entire life, instead choosing to live in a fantasy world believing his guru is respected and welcomed by heads of state everywhere. I'm sure there is a diagnosis for such fantasies as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : There is an old saying floating around, to the effect that where the ignorant see light, an enlightened person sees only darkness, and where an enlightened person sees light, the ignorant only sees darkness. Yes, and it's the same thing. A watchers point of view, spun to the benefit of whoever wants to interpret it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : A comment to be expected from the Turq. We all know that psychiatric wards are full of people being treated with psychofarma for having glimpses of higher states of consciousness they are not able to integrate in daily life. Experiences any real Sadhana will also give. The reason the Turq doesn't understand this is because he is a quitter that never did any Sadhana for any length of time in his entire life, instead choosing to live in a fantasy world believing his guru is respected and welcomed by heads of state everywhere. I'm sure there is a diagnosis for such fantasies as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Right - the values of the object don't change, but will be interpreted differently, according to a person's consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : There is an old saying floating around, to the effect that where the ignorant see light, an enlightened person sees only darkness, and where an enlightened person sees light, the ignorant only sees darkness. Yes, and it's the same thing. A watchers point of view, spun to the benefit of whoever wants to interpret it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : A comment to be expected from the Turq. We all know that psychiatric wards are full of people being treated with psychofarma for having glimpses of higher states of consciousness they are not able to integrate in daily life. Experiences any real Sadhana will also give. The reason the Turq doesn't understand this is because he is a quitter that never did any Sadhana for any length of time in his entire life, instead choosing to live in a fantasy world believing his guru is respected and welcomed by heads of state everywhere. I'm sure there is a diagnosis for such fantasies as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Excellent Turq! A good compilation showing that Benjy is a rather lame non-entity even amongst New Age freaks. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence I don't actually *have* a guru. But as we all know, Nabby does. To find out how *he* stacks up against the choosing to live in a fantasy world believing his guru is respected criterion, I searched for the most common tags applied to any reference to him on the Internet and found: Benjamin Creme Maitreya world spiritual fraud phony false world messiah charlatan There were also wonderful quotes, such as: Creme is a marginalized figure even amongst his fellow New Age devotees; most likely because of his insistence upon an imminent appearance of a self-proclaimed Messiah. Creme was always at the outskirts of the Theosophical crowd, and hardly achieved anything of importance. For example, in his monumental work on the New Age, False Dawn, Lee Penn spends a total of a paragraph and a half (and two footnotes) discussing Benjamin Creme and his Share International (pp. 314, 418, 462) – as basic an outline as possible. Likewise, esoteric scholar Wouter J. Hanegraaff, in his New Age Religion and Western Culture, devotes but one sentence on Creme (p. 101). And of course there is this wonderful description in the New York Observer, written by Ron Rosenbaum: Long John is long gone, but Coast to Coast AM is there to keep you in touch with the night side of the culture that Long John first gave national voice to. You can still find that special undying brand of weirdness there. Updated, yes, and sometimes with the same kind of conspiracy theory you can find all over the Web, but still with room for iconic occult curiosities like Benjamin Creme, who appeared at 2 a.m. on a recent show. You know of Benjamin Creme, right, and his relation to Jesus, and you know about Benjamin Creme’s prophetic function in regard to the coming of the Super Fifth Degree Master and Teacher, the great and mighty all-powerful Maitreya, who outranks Jesus himself, right? Well, don’t feel bad if you don’t. To recognize the name Benjamin Creme, you probably have to be, as I am, an assiduous student of New Age rhetoric and literature (I believe in what Stephen Greenblatt first called a “poetics of culture” before it was renamed and mass-marketed to grad students as “the New Historicism”). Anyway, while following New Age trends and obsessions, I noticed that Benjamin Creme was always a little on the fringes of the New Age guru circuit, but the guy seemed to have staying power. He always seemed to turn up in the New Age lecture calendars, a distinguished-looking gentleman who had something to say about the Second Coming of the Christ. I recall something about Jesus having already come back, that he was living quietly in London, awaiting recognition. I somehow had the impression—mistaken, I now realize—that he was implicitly suggesting that he was Jesus (he lived in London). But I guess it was more a matter of him having inside info on the London Christ’s plans for revealing himself. It gets confusing, and I could be wrong, but after listening to his appearance on Coast to Coast AM recently, I got the impression that Benjamin Creme’s emphasis has shifted from Jesus to an entity called Maitreya, who outranks Jesus in the Ascended Master hierarchy. Benjamin Creme is apparently in “telepathic contact” with one of the Fourth Degree Masters and in sporadic contact with the Master of All Masters, this dude Maitreya, who’s planning to reveal himself and set us all straight so that all humanity will start caring and sharing like the great big family we all are. About time. I have to admit that listening to Benjamin Creme being interviewed by George Noory on Coast to Coast AM was a little frustrating. (Mr. Noory said that after Mr. Creme’s last appearance, a number of listeners called in to say they’d become physically ill afterward because they felt something coming through the radio. And there was some discussion of whether or not Maitreya might be the Antichrist). Mr. Creme was somewhat evasive about who the hell this Maitreya might be, what his deal is, why he doesn’t manifest himself already aside from sporadic appearances in other people’s bodies, like that time in Nairobi. (Mr. Creme’s Web site, in case you want to try to figure it out, is www.shareintl.org.) There was some dialogue on whether Maitreya had “suspended” his visits. Or whether he was coming “very soon,” and also what exactly he was coming for and why he was waiting. I mean, if we need help from a Teacher to get us caring and sharing, couldn’t he have shown up in, say, 1914? So there was a bit
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Nabby, fun coincidence that you are talking about this and I had an experience
in the Dome this morning that I've never had before. My eyes were closed and in
my mind's eye, I saw all the other women as ovals of white light.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into
consciousness, literally. Try itYou don't even have to look very deeply.
Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a
light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the
quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And
like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary
object than humans to resolve.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
I used to always see the others in the room during flying, like that - had my eyes closed, but everyone showed up clearly, and proportionately, as light beings. Always turned into that, myself, when flying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nabby, fun coincidence that you are talking about this and I had an experience in the Dome this morning that I've never had before. My eyes were closed and in my mind's eye, I saw all the other women as ovals of white light. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Cool! What's also fun about this experience, is that there's only one row of
peeps in front of me, the huge majority of them are behind me. Nonetheless, in
my mind's eye I saw those ovals of light anyway!
Now if I could only get the neighborhood dog to stop barking! What idiots leave
a dog out on such a cold day?!
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
I used to always see the others in the room during flying, like that - had
my eyes closed, but everyone showed up clearly, and proportionately, as light
beings. Always turned into that, myself, when flying.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Nabby, fun coincidence that you are talking about this and I had an experience
in the Dome this morning that I've never had before. My eyes were closed and in
my mind's eye, I saw all the other women as ovals of white light.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness,
literally. Try itYou don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person
for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or
blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and
the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be
anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to
resolve.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
That's nice Share. Before lift-off my body would always transform itself into a ball of light. As easily could be seen by others. Needless to say, the closed minded didn't see anything :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I used to always see the others in the room during flying, like that - had my eyes closed, but everyone showed up clearly, and proportionately, as light beings. Always turned into that, myself, when flying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nabby, fun coincidence that you are talking about this and I had an experience in the Dome this morning that I've never had before. My eyes were closed and in my mind's eye, I saw all the other women as ovals of white light. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
prolonged staring at an Object Was this even mentioned in my post ? Your reasoning is superficial and silly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com What Nabby is describing is called retinal fatique, prolonged staring at an object without the eyes moving exhausts the chemistry in the retina responsible for the detection of light. If when this happens and you look away at a light surface, you see a negative image, colours reversed that persists for a while (after image) while the chemistry refreshes. The eyes also do not remain completely still but naturally saccade, which partially helps to prevent retinal fatigue when one is not deliberately staring at something, which reduces but does not eliminate the saccade. Because of the scacade, the after image formed by staring does not perfectly line up with the object which can account for edge effects around the object viewe I suppose this could be mistaken for some kind of 'spiritual' experience by the uninitiated, but it is just 'looking at something'. Spiritual experiences are just artefacts of the nervous system releasing prior conditioned responses and a person feels, for a while, clearer, freer etc., but eventually realises or rather actually accommodates to the new clearer, freer experience which then just seems normal, everyday. Eventually a realisation comes that the only thing that exists is normal everyday experience, minus certain ideas about what normal everyday experience is. You just live it, you do not think about what it is supposed to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You realize, do you not, that you have just described yourself in a way that any psychiatrist in the world would diagnose as psychotic. When most people look at another person for a short time, the other person does not disappear. Have you considered just having your vision checked? :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
yeah, it is a non-local seeing. I sometimes put attention on the dog to see if I can figure out what to do, and sometimes I just have to stop my mind from barking in response. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Cool! What's also fun about this experience, is that there's only one row of peeps in front of me, the huge majority of them are behind me. Nonetheless, in my mind's eye I saw those ovals of light anyway! Now if I could only get the neighborhood dog to stop barking! What idiots leave a dog out on such a cold day?! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence I used to always see the others in the room during flying, like that - had my eyes closed, but everyone showed up clearly, and proportionately, as light beings. Always turned into that, myself, when flying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nabby, fun coincidence that you are talking about this and I had an experience in the Dome this morning that I've never had before. My eyes were closed and in my mind's eye, I saw all the other women as ovals of white light. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Fleetwood, excellent way to put it, stop my mind from barking in response.
Anyway, I did a little energy work on it, took a shower and when I came
downstairs, all gone!
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
yeah, it is a non-local seeing. I sometimes put attention on the dog to see
if I can figure out what to do, and sometimes I just have to stop my mind from
barking in response. :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Cool! What's also fun about this experience, is that there's only one row of
peeps in front of me, the huge majority of them are behind me. Nonetheless, in
my mind's eye I saw those ovals of light anyway!
Now if I could only get the neighborhood dog to stop barking! What idiots leave
a dog out on such a cold day?!
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
I used to always see the others in the room during flying, like that - had my
eyes closed, but everyone showed up clearly, and proportionately, as light
beings. Always turned into that, myself, when flying.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Nabby, fun coincidence that you are talking about this and I had an experience
in the Dome this morning that I've never had before. My eyes were closed and in
my mind's eye, I saw all the other women as ovals of white light.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness,
literally. Try itYou don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person
for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or
blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and
the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be
anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to
resolve.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Yep, so many times that older model of insisting that the object change to suit us, is not any longer the sole option. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, excellent way to put it, stop my mind from barking in response. Anyway, I did a little energy work on it, took a shower and when I came downstairs, all gone! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence yeah, it is a non-local seeing. I sometimes put attention on the dog to see if I can figure out what to do, and sometimes I just have to stop my mind from barking in response. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Cool! What's also fun about this experience, is that there's only one row of peeps in front of me, the huge majority of them are behind me. Nonetheless, in my mind's eye I saw those ovals of light anyway! Now if I could only get the neighborhood dog to stop barking! What idiots leave a dog out on such a cold day?! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence I used to always see the others in the room during flying, like that - had my eyes closed, but everyone showed up clearly, and proportionately, as light beings. Always turned into that, myself, when flying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nabby, fun coincidence that you are talking about this and I had an experience in the Dome this morning that I've never had before. My eyes were closed and in my mind's eye, I saw all the other women as ovals of white light. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it You don't even have to look very deeply. Looking at a person for some short time will make him disappear leaving a light, often golden or blue. In my experience the more evolved a person the quicker he disolves and the more interesting the light he leaves behind. And like you say it can be anything, only it takes a little longer for an ordinary object than humans to resolve.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive?
Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive?
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Share,
It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you
believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you
would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This
is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist.
Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of
beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a
non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can
direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating
and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached.
In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take
human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an
earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate
the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the
new world.
But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions
would be different.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly
appreciate the concluding remarks:So, how do weprepare for something we know so
little about? We do so by continuingto do good science, but also by realizing
that science is notmetaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host
Steven Dick.He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions
about the nature of life and intelligence.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the
cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in
their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human
beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the
human mind through mental telepathy
I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at
scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably
chief among them.
This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement.
Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used
telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very
sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental
particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need
to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are
actually entangled or not.
Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement
experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus
destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know
about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined
before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand.
If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our
perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that
doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though
whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be.
One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use
it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out
and I have to fork out for a new one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
Preparing for alien life
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and the Library of Congress, a group of scientists and scholars explored how we
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Those are the *only* things that are alive, and they are within everything. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive? Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks: So, how do we prepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuing to do good science, but also by realizing that science is not metaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick. He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life http://phys.org/tags/life/ and intelligence. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out and I have to fork out for a new one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html At a recent event sponsored by NASA and the Library of Congress, a group of scientists and scholars explored how we might prepare for the inevitable discove... View on phys.org http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preview by Yahoo
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Share, Yes, IMO consciousness is alive. The Bhagavad Gita has shown this when Arjuna asked Krishna to show his true self. And, Krishna showed a vision of infinite types of beings to disclose who He is. On the other hand, the Old Testament states that Yahweh is the I AM Who AM. However, in the New Testament, Jesus is shown to be the embodiment of Consciousness in a human form. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive? Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks: So, how do we prepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuing to do good science, but also by realizing that science is not metaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick. He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life http://phys.org/tags/life/ and intelligence. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out and I have to fork out for a new one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
If I remember correctly John, didn't Arjuna quake before that image of Krishna and beg Him to return to His more human form? Ok, Fleetwood and John, I can see how the personal God is alive. But what about impersonal Beingness? Is that also alive? From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, Yes, IMO consciousness is alive. The Bhagavad Gita has shown this when Arjuna asked Krishna to show his true self. And, Krishna showed a vision of infinite types of beings to disclose who He is. On the other hand, the Old Testament states that Yahweh is the I AM Who AM. However, in the New Testament, Jesus is shown to be the embodiment of Consciousness in a human form. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive? Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks:So, how do weprepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuingto do good science, but also by realizing that science is notmetaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick.He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life and intelligence. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out and I have to fork out for a new
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Share, Yes, the impersonal Beingness is alive. In scientific terms, it is the unified field. It is the ocean of superstrings from which our universe and the multiverse originate. It can be understood through our own consciousness. It is the knower, the process of knowing, and the known. MMY described It as the holistic movement of the Rishi, Devata, and Chandas. Its reverberations can be heard in the Rig Veda, the Constitution of the Universe. MMY commented about the Rig Veda in his Apaurushiya Bhasya. Personally, I've looked at the AB document but don't understand it. But it appears that MMY is addressing the five elements of nature as the manifestations of of the veda. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : If I remember correctly John, didn't Arjuna quake before that image of Krishna and beg Him to return to His more human form? Ok, Fleetwood and John, I can see how the personal God is alive. But what about impersonal Beingness? Is that also alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, Yes, IMO consciousness is alive. The Bhagavad Gita has shown this when Arjuna asked Krishna to show his true self. And, Krishna showed a vision of infinite types of beings to disclose who He is. On the other hand, the Old Testament states that Yahweh is the I AM Who AM. However, in the New Testament, Jesus is shown to be the embodiment of Consciousness in a human form. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive? Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks: So, how do we prepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuing to do good science, but also by realizing that science is not metaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick. He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life http://phys.org/tags/life/ and intelligence. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
John, five of the 8 prakrities are the 5 elements. The remaining 3 are ego, intellect and mind. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, Yes, the impersonal Beingness is alive. In scientific terms, it is the unified field. It is the ocean of superstrings from which our universe and the multiverse originate. It can be understood through our own consciousness. It is the knower, the process of knowing, and the known. MMY described It as the holistic movement of the Rishi, Devata, and Chandas. Its reverberations can be heard in the Rig Veda, the Constitution of the Universe. MMY commented about the Rig Veda in his Apaurushiya Bhasya. Personally, I've looked at the AB document but don't understand it. But it appears that MMY is addressing the five elements of nature as the manifestations of of the veda. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : If I remember correctly John, didn't Arjuna quake before that image of Krishna and beg Him to return to His more human form? Ok, Fleetwood and John, I can see how the personal God is alive. But what about impersonal Beingness? Is that also alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, Yes, IMO consciousness is alive. The Bhagavad Gita has shown this when Arjuna asked Krishna to show his true self. And, Krishna showed a vision of infinite types of beings to disclose who He is. On the other hand, the Old Testament states that Yahweh is the I AM Who AM. However, in the New Testament, Jesus is shown to be the embodiment of Consciousness in a human form. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive? Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks:So, how do weprepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuingto do good science, but also by realizing that science is notmetaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick.He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life and intelligence. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it. It is the derivative skin of creativity, of creation, that makes consciousness disappear from every object, even though it is made purely of that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, Yes, IMO consciousness is alive. The Bhagavad Gita has shown this when Arjuna asked Krishna to show his true self. And, Krishna showed a vision of infinite types of beings to disclose who He is. On the other hand, the Old Testament states that Yahweh is the I AM Who AM. However, in the New Testament, Jesus is shown to be the embodiment of Consciousness in a human form. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive? Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks: So, how do we prepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuing to do good science, but also by realizing that science is not metaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick. He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life http://phys.org/tags/life/ and intelligence. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out and I have to fork out for a new one
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Fleetwood, I don't have any problem with what you're saying. But I think there are a few people here on the forum who would disagree with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you look into anything deeply enough, jr, it resolves into consciousness, literally. Try it. It is the derivative skin of creativity, of creation, that makes consciousness disappear from every object, even though it is made purely of that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, Yes, IMO consciousness is alive. The Bhagavad Gita has shown this when Arjuna asked Krishna to show his true self. And, Krishna showed a vision of infinite types of beings to disclose who He is. On the other hand, the Old Testament states that Yahweh is the I AM Who AM. However, in the New Testament, Jesus is shown to be the embodiment of Consciousness in a human form. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive? Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks: So, how do we prepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuing to do good science, but also by realizing that science is not metaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick. He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life http://phys.org/tags/life/ and intelligence. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly
appreciate the concluding remarks:So, how do we prepare for something we know
so little about? We do so by continuing to do good science, but also by
realizing that science is not metaphysically neutral, concluded the conference
host Steven Dick.He added: We prepare by continuing to question our
assumptions about the nature of life and intelligence.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the
cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in
their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human
beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the
human mind through mental telepathy
I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at
scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably
chief among them.
This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement.
Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used
telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very
sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental
particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need
to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are
actually entangled or not.
Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement
experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus
destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know
about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined
before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand.
If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our
perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that
doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though
whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be.
One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use
it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out
and I have to fork out for a new one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
Preparing for alien life
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks: So, how do we prepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuing to do good science, but also by realizing that science is not metaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick. He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of Phys.org - life http://phys.org/tags/life/ http://phys.org/tags/life/ Phys.org - life http://phys.org/tags/life/ Home life News tagged with life sort by: Date 6 hours 12 hours 1 day 3 days all Rank Last day 1 week 1 month all LiveRank Last day 1 week 1 month all... View on phys.org http://phys.org/tags/life/ Preview by Yahoo and intelligence. All I know is, I'll die happy if we discovery intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. If something comes to visit us, even better! What form it will take is a mystery, if they're at our level of knowledge about how the universe works they'll come in person. If they are more advanced they might turn up as robots with their DNA (or fundamentally equivalent) stored somewhere and then they'll convert any matter they find into themselves. It all must be possible because we are made out of bits of the universe so there aint no reason why something with advanced knowledge can't transmute other bits, or even empty space, into whatever they like. But the fact that's possible and we can't see any evidence of the sort of things they could build might mean we are on our own or that nobody ever gets further than us. Not round these parts anyway. Or it it might be something even stranger that turns up and freaks us out. It's all a mystery but given how many hoops we had to jump through on this planet to get how we are, can life like us be common? Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out and I have to fork out for a new one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html At a recent event sponsored by NASA and the Library of Congress, a group of scientists and scholars explored how we might prepare for the inevitable discove... View on phys.org http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preview by Yahoo
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salyavin, I love your very last question. It makes me think about this in ways
I haven't before. Of course I'm also remembering a bit of what you've posted
about how life evolved here almost accidentally.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly
appreciate the concluding remarks:So, how do weprepare for something we know so
little about? We do so by continuingto do good science, but also by realizing
that science is notmetaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host
Steven Dick.He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions
about the nature of Phys.org - life
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and intelligence.
All I know is, I'll die happy if we discovery intelligent life elsewhere in the
universe.
If something comes to visit us, even better! What form it will take is a
mystery, if they're at our level of knowledge about how the universe works
they'll come in person. If they are more advanced they might turn up as robots
with their DNA (or fundamentally equivalent) stored somewhere and then they'll
convert any matter they find into themselves. It all must be possible because
we are made out of bits of the universe so there aint no reason why something
with advanced knowledge can't transmute other bits, or even empty space, into
whatever they like.
But the fact that's possible and we can't see any evidence of the sort of
things they could build might mean we are on our own or that nobody ever gets
further than us. Not round these parts anyway. Or it it might be something even
stranger that turns up and freaks us out. It's all a mystery but given how many
hoops we had to jump through on this planet to get how we are, can life like us
be common?
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the
cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in
their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human
beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the
human mind through mental telepathy
I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at
scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably
chief among them.
This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement.
Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used
telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very
sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental
particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need
to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are
actually entangled or not.
Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement
experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus
destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know
about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined
before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand.
If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our
perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that
doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though
whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be.
One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use
it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out
and I have to fork out for a new one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type of beings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks: So, how do we prepare for something we know so little about? We do so by continuing to do good science, but also by realizing that science is not metaphysically neutral, concluded the conference host Steven Dick. He added: We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life http://phys.org/tags/life/ and intelligence. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out and I have to fork out for a new one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html At a recent event sponsored by NASA and the Library of Congress, a group of scientists and scholars explored how we might prepare for the inevitable discove... View on phys.org http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeper principle we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use it to communicate on Earth. Hopefully we can do that before my laptop wears out and I have to fork out for a new one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preparing for alien life http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html At a recent event sponsored by NASA and the Library of Congress, a group of scientists and scholars explored how we might prepare for the inevitable discove... View on phys.org http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html Preview by Yahoo
