[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Oh, yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Are you talking about the Livingston Manor facility? From: doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I was only there once for the fist block of my sidhis course - Bevan and John Cowhig, TM Sidhi administrators I can't remember the year - it was in the winter and there had just been a big snow/ice storm a few days before - lots of pipes had frozen and supposedly one well pump had been knocked out by lightning - it was one of those snow storms that had thunder and lightning - the staff place 50 gallon drums with water inthem so we could use buckets to dip water to fill the toilet tank to flush the toilet This was the course where when I first walked into the lobby of the facility there was the big poster of Sidha man - the one that no one else seems to remember - with a Superman looking guy replete with blue and red uniform and a big yellow S on his chest (for Sidha-man) and the caption at the bottom saying Be a Superman - Be a Sidhaman! From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews Oh, yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Are you talking about the Livingston Manor facility? From: doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I don't recall the poster, though it should have showed him carrying a bucket of water [to flush his toilet] - would've been more Zen, too.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I was only there once for the fist block of my sidhis course - Bevan and John Cowhig, TM Sidhi administrators I can't remember the year - it was in the winter and there had just been a big snow/ice storm a few days before - lots of pipes had frozen and supposedly one well pump had been knocked out by lightning - it was one of those snow storms that had thunder and lightning - the staff place 50 gallon drums with water inthem so we could use buckets to dip water to fill the toilet tank to flush the toilet This was the course where when I first walked into the lobby of the facility there was the big poster of Sidha man - the one that no one else seems to remember - with a Superman looking guy replete with blue and red uniform and a big yellow S on his chest (for Sidha-man) and the caption at the bottom saying Be a Superman - Be a Sidhaman! From: doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  Oh, yes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Are you talking about the Livingston Manor facility? From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews àI do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I had to google black beauties. The last time I stayed up all night was at an Ammachi event. That was about 5 years ago and the next day I knew that my staying up all night days were long gone. I'd like to think I'd have written: just because. But more than likely I would have had a crush on the professor and God only knows what I would have written to him. Socrates and Diotima dontcha know. From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews I would have been in panic mode and stressed out, probably would have taken black beauties and stayed up all night - so that I really couldn't think at all and then would have written enough BS to get at least a C. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Love it Doc. Here's another: the students entered the classroom for their final exam in Philosophy 101. On the board was one word: Why? The only student who received an A+ for the course was the student who wrote: Why not? There must have been at least half the class who would have written that, it is so obvious. I would have, wouldn't you? From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  I was inspired by a story I read years ago about the world's shortest written conversation, and I think it was between Proust and his publisher. Proust sent a telegram to his publisher, inquiring about the success of a book, consisting of the single character, ?. The publisher then replied, !. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Love it Doc. Here's another: the students entered the classroom for their final exam in Philosophy 101. On the board was one word: Why? The only student who received an A+ for the course was the student who wrote: Why not? From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews I was inspired by a story I read years ago about the world's shortest written conversation, and I think it was between Proust and his publisher. Proust sent a telegram to his publisher, inquiring about the success of a book, consisting of the single character, ?. The publisher then replied, !. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
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Mr. Soss, what did they do with my watch a few days ago? Sure I can buy another but that was a gift from my Mom and has big face to read easily and nice leather strap though well worn by now. Tell them there fellers to give it back s'il vous plait (-: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) Like the small fellas who seem to be having a great time moving things around in my flat, which was built in 1894. It sometimes drives me nuts, and the more my Pitta goes bananas the more they seem to be having fun :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Mr. Soss, what did they do with my watch a few days ago? Sure I can buy another but that was a gift from my Mom and has big face to read easily and nice leather strap though well worn by now. Tell them there fellers to give it back s'il vous plait (-: If you are sure you didn't misplace it yourself do the following. Say out loud in the biggest room in your flat, with a stern voice it must be brought back immediately. Don't chuckle, don't smile, even to yourself. Make it clear you mean business and that it's NOT funny anymore. Then go for a walk, and see if anything happened on your return. This always works with my folks here. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) Like the small fellas who seem to be having a great time moving things around in my flat, which was built in 1894. It sometimes drives me nuts, and the more my Pitta goes bananas the more they seem to be having fun :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Love it Doc. Here's another: the students entered the classroom for their final exam in Philosophy 101. On the board was one word: Why? The only student who received an A+ for the course was the student who wrote: Why not? There must have been at least half the class who would have written that, it is so obvious. I would have, wouldn't you? From: doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  I was inspired by a story I read years ago about the world's shortest written conversation, and I think it was between Proust and his publisher. Proust sent a telegram to his publisher, inquiring about the success of a book, consisting of the single character, ?. The publisher then replied, !. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I would have been in panic mode and stressed out, probably would have taken black beauties and stayed up all night - so that I really couldn't think at all and then would have written enough BS to get at least a C. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Love it Doc. Here's another: the students entered the classroom for their final exam in Philosophy 101. On the board was one word: Why? The only student who received an A+ for the course was the student who wrote: Why not? There must have been at least half the class who would have written that, it is so obvious. I would have, wouldn't you? From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  I was inspired by a story I read years ago about the world's shortest written conversation, and I think it was between Proust and his publisher. Proust sent a telegram to his publisher, inquiring about the success of a book, consisting of the single character, ?. The publisher then replied, !. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Regarding TMFree...after Knapp axed me and people started coming across my path who had similar harmful interactions with Knapp, I learned that Knapp really wasn't *the* founder of TMFree. From my understanding it was a group effort and Knapp knew the webstuff so he set up the site. There is a thread somewhere on the Rick Ross Forum, but I can't locate it at the moment, that discusses the history of how the folks who started TMFree came together. So, technically, from my understanding, Knapp is not *the* founder. He organized the web stuff. He had the counselor initials behind his name, and somehow that made him *the* founder. I do not know if he started calling himself the founder, or if others agreed to that or what. I've been told by three people that Knapp plagiarized them. When confronted, Knapp 1)gave credit to one of the people; 2) ignored one of the people; 3) offered to change the author for the one other person, but that author opted to disassociate with Knapp, so the piece itself was deleted. In 2010, when Knapp was recruiting me for what became his now-defunct non-profit, at that time (in 2010) he was thinking of naming it The Knapp Center for Healing. I didn't have any problem with that. He said one of the reasons he wanted to use his name was to meet his narcissistic needs. He wasn't joking when he stated that to me. It was in the context of healthy narcissism...like wanting to leave a mark before one dies. I guess using his name got voted out (or something) with his next round of recruits who helped put together the 2011 non-profit. Most (if not all) those recruits resigned once Knapp showed his true colors. If I find that Rick Ross thread, I'll post a link. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Regarding TMFree...after Knapp axed me and people started coming across my path who had similar harmful interactions with Knapp, I learned that Knapp really wasn't *the* founder of TMFree. From my understanding it was a group effort and Knapp knew the webstuff so he set up the site. There is a thread somewhere on the Rick Ross Forum, but I can't locate it at the moment, that discusses the history of how the folks who started TMFree came together. So, technically, from my understanding, Knapp is not *the* founder. He organized the web stuff. He had the counselor initials behind his name, and somehow that made him *the* founder. I do not know if he started calling himself the founder, or if others agreed to that or what. I've been told by three people that Knapp plagiarized them. When confronted, Knapp 1)gave credit to one of the people; 2) ignored one of the people; 3) offered to change the author for the one other person, but that author opted to disassociate with Knapp, so the piece itself was deleted. In 2010, when Knapp was recruiting me for what became his now-defunct non-profit, at that time (in 2010) he was thinking of naming it The Knapp Center for Healing. I didn't have any problem with that. He said one of the reasons he wanted to use his name was to meet his narcissistic needs. He wasn't joking when he stated that to me. It was in the context of healthy narcissism...like wanting to leave a mark before one dies. I guess using his name got voted out (or something) with his next round of recruits who helped put together the 2011 non-profit. Most (if not all) those recruits resigned once Knapp showed his true colors. If I find that Rick Ross thread, I'll post a link. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
You're probably right Feste. It's even getting tedious for me. That said, Knapp has harmed many people without accountability. There is much that isn't public and never will be. I hope he doesn't fleece his new social circle too badly. But, that is their business, of course. My point in bringing up the TMFree was simply to point out that Knapp makes claims regarding himself that are at least slightly askew. Perhaps we all do that. I don't know if Knapp meant well from the get go. I have my doubts now. At one time I thought he meant well, like other leaders that get exposed for their corruption. Mistakes are one thing, cover up is something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Regarding TMFree...after Knapp axed me and people started coming across my path who had similar harmful interactions with Knapp, I learned that Knapp really wasn't *the* founder of TMFree. From my understanding it was a group effort and Knapp knew the webstuff so he set up the site. There is a thread somewhere on the Rick Ross Forum, but I can't locate it at the moment, that discusses the history of how the folks who started TMFree came together. So, technically, from my understanding, Knapp is not *the* founder. He organized the web stuff. He had the counselor initials behind his name, and somehow that made him *the* founder. I do not know if he started calling himself the founder, or if others agreed to that or what. I've been told by three people that Knapp plagiarized them. When confronted, Knapp 1)gave credit to one of the people; 2) ignored one of the people; 3) offered to change the author for the one other person, but that author opted to disassociate with Knapp, so the piece itself was deleted. In 2010, when Knapp was recruiting me for what became his now-defunct non-profit, at that time (in 2010) he was thinking of naming it The Knapp Center for Healing. I didn't have any problem with that. He said one of the reasons he wanted to use his name was to meet his narcissistic needs. He wasn't joking when he stated that to me. It was in the context of healthy narcissism...like wanting to leave a mark before one dies. I guess using his name got voted out (or something) with his next round of recruits who helped put together the 2011 non-profit. Most (if not all) those recruits resigned once Knapp showed his true colors. If I find that Rick Ross thread, I'll post a link. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Also...I didn't see my comments as to documenting how awful Knapp is, but rather to exposing facts regarding his dishonesty. But maybe that is documenting how awful one person is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Regarding TMFree...after Knapp axed me and people started coming across my path who had similar harmful interactions with Knapp, I learned that Knapp really wasn't *the* founder of TMFree. From my understanding it was a group effort and Knapp knew the webstuff so he set up the site. There is a thread somewhere on the Rick Ross Forum, but I can't locate it at the moment, that discusses the history of how the folks who started TMFree came together. So, technically, from my understanding, Knapp is not *the* founder. He organized the web stuff. He had the counselor initials behind his name, and somehow that made him *the* founder. I do not know if he started calling himself the founder, or if others agreed to that or what. I've been told by three people that Knapp plagiarized them. When confronted, Knapp 1)gave credit to one of the people; 2) ignored one of the people; 3) offered to change the author for the one other person, but that author opted to disassociate with Knapp, so the piece itself was deleted. In 2010, when Knapp was recruiting me for what became his now-defunct non-profit, at that time (in 2010) he was thinking of naming it The Knapp Center for Healing. I didn't have any problem with that. He said one of the reasons he wanted to use his name was to meet his narcissistic needs. He wasn't joking when he stated that to me. It was in the context of healthy narcissism...like wanting to leave a mark before one dies. I guess using his name got voted out (or something) with his next round of recruits who helped put together the 2011 non-profit. Most (if not all) those recruits resigned once Knapp showed his true colors. If I find that Rick Ross thread, I'll post a link. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Barry stated: This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. Nope, wasn't my purpose Barry. I stated my purpose earlier here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331605 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331522 I would have stopped with my one update..but you responded with a long post stating things that weren't true as fact. So...the discourse continued and turned into a discussion. It may have stayed quiet if you hadn't started writing about things of which you have no or little knowledge. Or perhaps it would have gone on with other's questions. My previous updates (of which there were 5 in the past year) went pretty much without notice. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... What drives poor victimized Barry crazy are women who dare to speak. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. Carol, it's his way of feeling like he has the upper hand. If you open yourself up to Barry he just can't wait to get in there and punch you where he knows it can hurt. He is very stuck in his morass of bitterness and he attempts to bring people down to his level of unhappiness. Give him no attention and do not think for one moment he has your best interests, or anyones for that matter, at heart - if he indeed has a heart. If you want to talk about John Knapp go ahead but I feel you have put enough information out there for people to do some research on their own and frankly, I doubt any of the active posters here are in danger of falling into any of his 'traps'. But if we can talk about crop circles and the Maharish Effect here at FFL we can certainly talk about disgraced cult de-programmers. You just keep talking until you feel you don't want to anymore. If people don't want to read what you say, then they can skip it but don't let anyone silence you. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) Not to mention chopping wood :-) Anyway, I'm convinced Maharishi HAD to build up all those scarred hippies in some way or the other in order to make them do anything at all. One being lifting them up telling them how great and important they were. Some younger souls simply got their egos so puffed up they never really landed. This happened to quite a lot of Governors but not I to the majority, who looked through this strategy from Maharishi to uplift the weakest amongst us and somehow understood what he was saying; now it's time to do some serious work ! Nablusoss Fundamentalist Overlord
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Well thank you Ann. Barry hasn't hurt me, if that has been his intention. There would have been a time his words and false claims would have hurt. But I've grown some thicker skin over the years...and especially after Knapp's online attempted character assassination. That was a huge eye-opener for me. Initially, I was baffled and shell shocked by Knapp's lies; especially his dime-store sex story. (If you missed that one, it's here: http://tossandripple.blogspot.com/2000/01/for-record-part-eight.html After Knapp's initial harm in 2010 when I was his client, others who I was put in touch with, shared with me about how Knapp lies. I simply couldn't believe it at the time. I'd hear Knapp's good therapist voice in my head ... and then I'd hear his critical voice in my head. It was a mind-eff for a while. Knapp's attempted online character assassination in 2011 did finally convince me of how much Knapp had lied. After his attempts in 2011 to denigrate me, is when I got really shell shocked. But, I'm pretty much over it now. If I weren't, there would be no way I could have posted Knapp's own trashy words and false accusations on my blog. Thanks again!! :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. Carol, it's his way of feeling like he has the upper hand. If you open yourself up to Barry he just can't wait to get in there and punch you where he knows it can hurt. He is very stuck in his morass of bitterness and he attempts to bring people down to his level of unhappiness. Give him no attention and do not think for one moment he has your best interests, or anyones for that matter, at heart - if he indeed has a heart. If you want to talk about John Knapp go ahead but I feel you have put enough information out there for people to do some research on their own and frankly, I doubt any of the active posters here are in danger of falling into any of his 'traps'. But if we can talk about crop circles and the Maharish Effect here at FFL we can certainly talk about disgraced cult de-programmers. You just keep talking until you feel you don't want to anymore. If people don't want to read what you say, then they can skip it but don't let anyone silence you. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey doc... Younger than whom? :D --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Is it because Carol is apparently a younger woman, and thinks you are full of it, which drives you nuts-o, or is there actually more to this?? IMO, I don't think so... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
LOL- Dear Fundamentalist Overlord, I don't doubt Maharishi's strategy. He had to start somewhere, and those were some of the consequences. Not really a big deal now, though it was *very* weird at the time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to struggle against that once lofty position. T...B commented that one of the posters here was a bigot, because he followed a bigot, T...B not recognizing that he went a lot further in his allegiance to the so-called bigot, becoming a Teacher of his, than the person he criticized. More examples abound. So, I ask myself - what makes someone willfully blind? Obviously having been told wondrous and powerful things about oneself is very intoxicating. The ego revels at such an opportunity to make this the core of the mind's life story. This is the trap for the Teachers of TM who chose to leave the teaching, but retained all the wonderful and inspiring things said about them. Glad I was always washing dishes, or planting strawberries...:-) Not to mention chopping wood :-) Anyway, I'm convinced Maharishi HAD to build up all those scarred hippies in some way or the other in order to make them do anything at all. One being lifting them up telling them how great and important they were. Some younger souls simply got their egos so puffed up they never really landed. This happened to quite a lot of Governors but not I to the majority, who looked through this strategy from Maharishi to uplift the weakest amongst us and somehow understood what he was saying; now it's time to do some serious work ! Nablusoss Fundamentalist Overlord
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: After Knapp's initial harm in 2010 when I was his client, others who I was put in touch with, shared with me about how Knapp lies. I simply couldn't believe it at the time. I'd hear Knapp's good therapist voice in my head ... and then I'd hear his critical voice in my head. It was a mind-eff for a while. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://moodyncheeky.files.wordpress.\ com/2010/07/smeagol1.jpgimgrefurl=http://moodyncheeky.com/2010/07/05/yo\ da-vs-smeagol/h=401w=506sz=31tbnid=bvivoEz6aXXl1M:tbnh=90tbnw=114\ prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlotr%2Bsmeagol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Duzoom=1q=lotr+s\ meagolusg=__fTvI6rrfyDBocyN1HCoXFzYM6Ko=docid=BOjEzu8BziTgAMhl=ensa=\ Xei=IrDpULnaFYiGrgGrtYEgved=0CFsQ9QEwBQdur=1589 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://moodyncheeky.files.wordpress\ .com/2010/07/smeagol1.jpgimgrefurl=http://moodyncheeky.com/2010/07/05/y\ oda-vs-smeagol/h=401w=506sz=31tbnid=bvivoEz6aXXl1M:tbnh=90tbnw=114\ prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlotr%2Bsmeagol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Duzoom=1q=lotr+\ smeagolusg=__fTvI6rrfyDBocyN1HCoXFzYM6Ko=docid=BOjEzu8BziTgAMhl=ensa\ =Xei=IrDpULnaFYiGrgGrtYEgved=0CFsQ9QEwBQdur=1589 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/12383000\ /ngbbs4623caaea7fe8.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/68\ 8583h=286w=358sz=16tbnid=Pvw_G5kf5AV9_M:tbnh=90tbnw=113prev=/sear\ ch%3Fq%3Dlotr%2Bsmeagol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Duzoom=1q=lotr+smeagolusg\ =__9WRx5lQFxewme_Jj89HgPPdM3r8=docid=JVB-bxtfli_XTMhl=ensa=Xei=IrDpU\ LnaFYiGrgGrtYEgved=0CF4Q9QEwBgdur=788 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/1238300\ 0/ngbbs4623caaea7fe8.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/6\ 88583h=286w=358sz=16tbnid=Pvw_G5kf5AV9_M:tbnh=90tbnw=113prev=/sea\ rch%3Fq%3Dlotr%2Bsmeagol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Duzoom=1q=lotr+smeagolus\ g=__9WRx5lQFxewme_Jj89HgPPdM3r8=docid=JVB-bxtfli_XTMhl=ensa=Xei=IrDp\ ULnaFYiGrgGrtYEgved=0CF4Q9QEwBgdur=788
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that although the construction and farming project had a lot of Governors, aka fundamentalist overlords (though there were one or two decent ones), we were doing hard physical work that kept us grounded, and aware of the hypocrisy. So, my theory is that some of these Governors having been taught repeatedly that they were a special cadre, literally saving the world, left the Movement with big heads, and either glommed onto other authority figures, or became teachers of others, themselves. This is apparently still an issue for some, after so many years, either feeling as some do, that their true position above others continues to go unrecognized (name, here, starts with a T and ends with a B), or continuing to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Ditto to what Ann says here in the second paragraph. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: You're right Barry...I don't have much else to say on this board other than the Knapp subject. Again, I haven't cyberstalked. But I addressed your similar allegations earlier asking you for documentation of your allegations against me. You chose to not respond. Carol, it's his way of feeling like he has the upper hand. If you open yourself up to Barry he just can't wait to get in there and punch you where he knows it can hurt. He is very stuck in his morass of bitterness and he attempts to bring people down to his level of unhappiness. Give him no attention and do not think for one moment he has your best interests, or anyones for that matter, at heart - if he indeed has a heart. If you want to talk about John Knapp go ahead but I feel you have put enough information out there for people to do some research on their own and frankly, I doubt any of the active posters here are in danger of falling into any of his 'traps'. But if we can talk about crop circles and the Maharish Effect here at FFL we can certainly talk about disgraced cult de-programmers. You just keep talking until you feel you don't want to anymore. If people don't want to read what you say, then they can skip it but don't let anyone silence you. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: This one thread, devoted to documenting how awful a person John Knapp is, is becoming very tedious. Perhaps Carol could find something else to obsess on. I am no fan of John Knapp, but I imagine that he had good intentions to begin with. Then something went wrong and perhaps he didn't cope with it well, and that led to something else, and so on. It's time to leave this guy alone. Yeah, like that's gonna happen. This place is like heaven on earth for cyberstalkers, especially if the stalkee is male, and *very* especially if a number of people hold a grudge against him anyway for his feelings about TM and Maharishi. This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. Yes, the rounding was good. If you can take the right perspective, which you seem to do, the whole thing was quite an adventure, even if not fair or the way any decent boss would operate things. I think later all the buildings were inspected and found dangerous for many reasons. I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy, I chose to rationalize it. After all, the leadership knew what was best for the followers and always had our best interest in mind. (sarcasm) It's a long story of course. We all have those...long stories. To cherry picking, strawberries, and dirty dishes! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Barry.(and me too).lol. I have a theory back from 1981-ish when I did my last staff stint with The Movement. I had a good friend, Jack, who mentioned something, after the last bout of arrogance and power-tripping we were exposed to by A Governor Of The A Of E And Don't You Forget It, aka TM Teacher. Jack turned to me and said, Someone must be telling these guys something [that makes them feel this way]. We were fortunate, that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. Never heard that before. It was never part of the 3-day checking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. Yes, the rounding was good. If you can take the right perspective, which you seem to do, the whole thing was quite an adventure, even if not fair or the way any decent boss would operate things. I think later all the buildings were inspected and found dangerous for many reasons. I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe I was a cherry picker and dish washer in The Way. :D I seldom got the higher assignments to rub really close shoulders with the higher and more spiritual leadership. But I didn't see the hypocrisy, like you did in the TMO. The hypocrisy was there in The Way, but some I didn't see because it went on behind closed doors and the times I did see what *might be an apparent* (barf) hypocrisy,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. Never heard that before. It was never part of the 3-day checking. I once asked Maharishi about a certain instruction that he apparently had given. I've seen Maharishi really angry a few times and this was one of them ! He demanded to know who had told us this and since noone wanted to quote anyone the poor fellow was saved from sitting on the first bus out of that place within an hour. It turned out that Maharishi had never given such instruction, it was only part of the larger body of rumours always floating around. Same with the drivers instruction above - just a rumour.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I was reading recently some expressions of each of the Yugas, and what is lost as we progress into a wholly material consciousness, here in Kali Yuga. Maharishi's strategy was to always go for the highest, first, and his techniques begin to reverse the trend of time in each of us, as he so delicately put it, by returning to us the abilities, like celestial sight, lost with the Mother's progression of time. In terms of Cosmic Law, MMY turned out to be an exceptional Cosmic Lawyer! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: snip This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say. She is not a cyberstalker, and the only reason the thread got started is because you jumped on her and badmouthed *her* for her informational post without knowing Thing One about the situation and proclaiming a number of things about it that weren't true. In the process, of course, revealing your gross hypocrisy and then lying about it. Fortunately you didn't get away with it, but your antics attracted enough attention that a thread about Knapp ensued--and now you're attempting to blame her for the thread you started. She'd have left after that single post if you had left her alone. But then you'd have had nothing to make a big fuss about, would you? There is apparently no limit to how low you'll go, Barry, to make yourself feel Important and Superior.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Fe-ic!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say. She is not a cyberstalker, and the only reason the thread got started is because you jumped on her and badmouthed *her* for her informational post without knowing Thing One about the situation and proclaiming a number of things about it that weren't true. In the process, of course, revealing your gross hypocrisy and then lying about it. Fortunately you didn't get away with it, but your antics attracted enough attention that a thread about Knapp ensued--and now you're attempting to blame her for the thread you started. She'd have left after that single post if you had left her alone. But then you'd have had nothing to make a big fuss about, would you? There is apparently no limit to how low you'll go, Barry, to make yourself feel Important and Superior.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I prefer the woods and wilderness. Especially high bald mountains. To me there is no more celestial place. As far as mystical feelings or connections (or whatever someone called it)with a group of others...the same happens with a good trip on psychedelics...or group experiences where folks are high on a belief. In The Way some of us called it the chewy, caramel center of God's heart...and we believed it could be found nowhere else on earth because we had the truth. This type experience is something I've wondered about and I've wondered that if a brain study could be done, would the study show similarities in these situations and if the same part of the brain is affected. Or maybe the experience goes deeper than brain function and we don't have the medical equipment yet to detect certain responses. I don't think it's supernatural...anymore than my eyesight or any other senses are supernatural. Yet, every sense (however many we really have) are all miraculous. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you
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I've experienced this too doc...in certain buildings and places. If only the walls could talk. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. I have heard of others seeing huge angelic beings, like guardians, near TM facilities. One person reported seeing a massive Hanuman (moneky) on the roof of a builidng in Heavenly Mountain years ago. A few non TM visitors who were looking at real estate mentioned it too!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I do not know if it still exists. Beautiful scenery, though the place was already a dump when I lived there in 1978, just after it was turned into a men's facility. There was one functional wing, and that was reserved for the Governors. I lived first in a vermin infested shack, through the snow, down by the lake, then later in a leaky and cold dorm room. We had electricity but no hot water, and for awhile there was no plumbing at all in the entire facility for flushing toilets (except in the functional wing) - awesome smell! The roofs leaked everywhere. There were big rats in the kitchen where all the course food was prepared. The office building was really shaky - three stories tall, and about a hundred years old at the time. I was on the printing crew, and sometimes had to manipulate a forklift with faulty brakes around the basement, careful not to knock any support beams out of place, and bring the building down on top of me. The benefits: Saw the Northern Lights many, many times, and deer also abounded on the property. I also did residence courses (4x4) every month, and rounded 2x2 the rest of the time, so it served its purpose for me. Yes, the rounding was good. If you can take the right perspective, which you seem to do, the whole thing was quite an adventure, even if not fair or the way any decent boss would operate things. I think later all the buildings were inspected and found dangerous for many reasons. I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I recall this one, rare, time when some bigwigs were coming into La Guardia airport in NYC, and I was on staff at a TM facility in the Catskills. There were a couple of limos there, should Maharishi come to visit, though he never did - Anyway, I was decked out in my khakis and got picked for driver duty, for one of the limos. We were about 2 or 3 hours out from NYC, and probably got a late start, so the director, Tim, riding in the back by himself, told me he was going to do his [meditation] program, and instructed me to drive as fast as I wanted, because, Nature will support. 85 to 90 mph, all the way in - lot's of fun!! And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. All in all, working in the Catskills might have had some benefits and fun times. The place became a mold infested, toxic place once the roof gave way and water leaks were not repaired. I think the town officials literally sealed off sections of the buildings. Is it still there? Driving Movement vehicles was always a blast, like when I'd take this big box truck into the Bowery, or some nearly deserted warehouse in Brooklyn, to drop off copies of the Movement magazine. Could pretty much drive any which way I wanted to, running lights, double parking, as that was the local custom. Helped make up for the $5 a week I made, cash.:-) -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Ha! Well, it's nice to be in the younger crowd. hehe
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: And yet, all teachers had been told not to have someone in the car meditating since their transcending could pull the driver's awareness off the road!! This info was also given out in 3 days' checking, I think. Never heard that before. It was never part of the 3-day checking. I once asked Maharishi about a certain instruction that he apparently had given. I've seen Maharishi really angry a few times and this was one of them ! He demanded to know who had told us this and since noone wanted to quote anyone the poor fellow was saved from sitting on the first bus out of that place within an hour. It turned out that Maharishi had never given such instruction, it was only part of the larger body of rumours always floating around. Same with the drivers instruction above - just a rumour. I will go with your knowledge that there was no such official instruction about driving while someone meditates in the car.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. I have three times become sick to my stomach when in certain rooms in old buildings - a feeling of panic and nausea and I have to leave. The reasons I seem to think of have to do with old energies there that are not good for me. On the other hand, I too love old buildings, and live in a 100 year old house that I love. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This particular cyberstalker accomplished her purpose. She got a bunch of people badmouthing her intended victim. My bet is that she'll leave if they stop, because she doesn't really have anything else to say. She is not a cyberstalker, and the only reason the thread got started is because you jumped on her and badmouthed *her* for her informational post without knowing Thing One about the situation and proclaiming a number of things about it that weren't true. In the process, of course, revealing your gross hypocrisy and then lying about it. Fortunately you didn't get away with it, but your antics attracted enough attention that a thread about Knapp ensued--and now you're attempting to blame her for the thread you started. She'd have left after that single post if you had left her alone. But then you'd have had nothing to make a big fuss about, would you? There is apparently no limit to how low you'll go, Barry, to make yourself feel Important and Superior.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony
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Damn - so smart Alex - even if you are wrong. So glad you are the moderator. I promise never to vote for Buck to replace you. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) Like the small fellas who seem to be having a great time moving things around in my flat, which was built in 1894. It sometimes drives me nuts, and the more my Pitta goes bananas the more they seem to be having fun :-)
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Xeno, I few years ago I was a subject in an experiment involving vastu buildings. I was blind folded and taken randomly to either a vastu or non vastu building. I was then asked which it was, blind fold still in place. I think there were 6 or 8 buildings. Usually with the vastu buildings I could tell that it was vastu even as we approached the property, even before we entered the gate and or front door. I simply felt more light and energized as the car approached such buildings. In the end, I guessed all correctly, both vastu and non. There is definitely something to it in my experience. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I was inspired by a story I read years ago about the world's shortest written conversation, and I think it was between Proust and his publisher. Proust sent a telegram to his publisher, inquiring about the success of a book, consisting of the single character, ?. The publisher then replied, !. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Fe-ic!:-) ??? My guess: of or pertaining to iron, i.e., irony Smart man. I didn't get it either until you just pointed it out. Nor did I. I refer to the version of it that afflicts Barry as inadvertent Fe-y, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I suspect he doesn't deserve. I think he knows when he's being hypocritical and simply hopes nobody else will notice. The real Fe-y is that it's so painfully obvious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Definitely something to all of that. Your house has probably soaked up a lot of meditation 'vibes', which create such a soft atmosphere. I recall about seven years after my wife and I moved in here, a little 4 year old boy from next door came wandering into our dining room one day, and proclaimed, It is really peaceful in here!. Could've been because he was away from his two older sisters, but I prefer to think he just liked it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Purely by virtue of the beings inhabiting a building, now or previously, gives the space a particular feel. I have noticed this in older buildings, in particular. Not quite the same as the peaceful radiance in a TM facility, obviously, though definitely there. I like buildings that are many many years old and have been left as is. So many interesting things to pick up on - like the ruins of the single prisoner cells on Devil's Island(s) I saw at 19, rusting manacles still embedded in the crumbling brick, and as hot as hell. I have three times become sick to my stomach when in certain rooms in old buildings - a feeling of panic and nausea and I have to leave. The reasons I seem to think of have to do with old energies there that are not good for me. On the other hand, I too love old buildings, and live in a 100 year old house that I love. There is a lot more there, there, if you are open to it.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using
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But didn't the jukebox, general rowdiness, and the smell of cigarette smoke and beer, give away the non-Vastu buildings? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Xeno, I few years ago I was a subject in an experiment involving vastu buildings. I was blind folded and taken randomly to either a vastu or non vastu building. I was then asked which it was, blind fold still in place. I think there were 6 or 8 buildings. Usually with the vastu buildings I could tell that it was vastu even as we approached the property, even before we entered the gate and or front door. I simply felt more light and energized as the car approached such buildings. In the end, I guessed all correctly, both vastu and non. There is definitely something to it in my experience. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I am not sure why, but whenever I entered a TMO facility I felt a surge of positive light and energy. It was palpable, so thick with stillness. Just a special feeling that perhaps I created, but I don't think so. Not sure if I believe in angels, but if they exist, the TMO places were and still are swarming with them. Yes, definitely - same here. I haven't been to one in years, though will probably test the feeling again, at some point. I was on a trip from Missouri to Fairfield in the early 80's, and my entire body literally began humming (Oming?) about 60 miles out - also saw a large celestial sentinel about a hundred feet tall, there, though it has been a very long time, and even those details are faint now. Same experienced all over the globe. Whenever you enter one of our buildings, owned or rented, it always has a particular silence and a cozy feeling of safety about it, as if the walls were 3 meters thick and not 40 cm and you really don't wan't to leave the place. Naturally fellows like the Turq will certainly come up with all sorts of cynical or rational explanations for this, mainly because Buddhism is a dead religion and they simply don't have this kind of buildings, however showoff grand and guilded they might be. There could be many explanations for what a person experiences when entering a building that have nothing to do with metaphysics or religion. Simple expectation is one. If you have in your mind that certain building will elicit a specific experience, you may experience that on entering or working in one because of the placebo effect. There is also just plain mood making. The placebo effect tends not to work well with me. I can't tell the difference between different kinds of buildings except whether they are lighter or darker, warmer or colder, or have fumes from the furnishings or activities there, the activity of the people therein. And whether they seem generally safe structurally. Buddhism is still not dead Christianity 2.0 billion Islam1.7 billion Hinduism 1.0 billion Buddhism 1.9 billion (This number is variable from about 0.5 billion to the figure listed because there are many mixtures of Asian practices and depending on how you categorise these as being enough like the definition of Buddhism you are using to dump them under the Buddhist label.) No Religion 1.1 billion (The growth of a post-theistic poplulation is an interesting feature of our modern times.) Remember, there was a time when the Church rules and everybody believed in God. This was called the Dark Ages. Some sects of Buddhism still produce enlightened beings, although, as with Hinduism (which includes TM), the number of successes in this seem rather low. Regarding celestial sentinel. A pshycic friend told me that Maharishi, as soon as the monestary in Vlodrop was purchased, invited two such beings to stand about 15 meters on each side of the staircase entrance leeding into the building to keep watch. According to him they are each about a hundred feet tall and still there today :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. And then nothing happens. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in that there are no continuing characters or plotlines. Each week's episode is standalone. The one that got flagged as among the best of the year got that honor because it starred Sean Bean (from LotR and Game Of Thrones) *as a transvestite*. The reviewer called his performance -- dressed in complete drag, and looking remarkably like...uh...a man dressed in drag, whom no one on earth would ever mistake for a woman -- a career best. She was right. The second was a mini-series (two 90-minute episodes) called Restless. What drew me to it was the cast, including actors of the quality of Hayley Atwell, Rufus Sewell, Michelle Dockery, Michael Gambon, and (the clincher for me) Charlotte Rampling. It turned out to be a well-written, tightly-crafted spy drama set both in modern time and in flashbacks to the WWII era. Charlotte Rampling plays the spy in modern times, having to explain to her daughter (Dockery) that back during the war she worked as a spy, and that people from that era were now trying to find and kill her. This leads to flashbacks of that era, with the young spy being played by Hayley Atwell. This sorta thing can be really lame and pedestrian in the wrong hands, but Restless kinda clicked for me on all levels. There. That's how I spent my day yesterday. Doesn't that sound more productive than diving into the past digging through old posts made to a tiny Internet forum that almost no one reads trying to get someone and win something that can never be won? :-) Priorities. For the cyberstalker/obsessive mentality, *nothing* is more important than going for the win. For others, watching TV is much more fun. Different strokes for different folks. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. More like: I feel the need to talk about myself because the world must be so interested in me and my motivations and the tricky little things I like to get up to because my life is otherwise a wasteland of internet surfing/forum stalking and television watching. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. Yes, I think it took me all of ten minutes, about the same amount of time it takes to clean two stalls in the morning. And I was curious to see if I had forgotten what and how much you had written to or about LK. I actually looked back at the older posts for me, not you, sorry. You just happened to have asked me to provide some evidence, which was no big deal. Two birds with one stone. And if, as you say, I have 'won' something I'm still waiting for the prize. So, hand it over. Oh yeah, this is the prize, seeing you squirm and back peddle like some crazy guy slurping coffee in a Dutch cafe. And then nothing happens. Oh yes it does, you continue to make posts like this that make you look like some infantile, insecure fool. I wouldn't call that 'nothing'. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) Hee, hee, you are funny Barry, you do make me smile. I have a hard time salivating and laughing at the same time, always have. The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. TV's just not my thing. Way too many good books to read, too many nice horses to ride, too much work to do. I don't have the luxury or the desire to sit in front of the television set so obviously I don't think of it as the best use of my time. But I could imagine, other than the amount of time you have spent on internet forums, that this is one of your favourite, productive things to do with your life - oh, other than walking the occasional dog. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in that there are no continuing characters or plotlines. Each week's episode is standalone. The one that got flagged as among the best of the year got that honor because it starred Sean Bean (from LotR and Game Of Thrones) *as a transvestite*. The reviewer called his performance -- dressed in complete drag, and looking remarkably like...uh...a man dressed in drag, whom no one on earth would ever mistake for a woman -- a career best. She was right. The second was a mini-series (two 90-minute episodes) called Restless. What drew me to it
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*chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for the day? All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society in a good way. Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing people-whom-you-know-little-about motives, and typing in capitals like that makes things more important, and whatever else you do online. Through my six-year internet *career* and learning how to try to converse in text, I (like others) have wondered what it would be like if all these people were in a 3-D cafe. How many would behave the same or similar as they do online? Hope you have another good day Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. And then nothing happens. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in that there are no continuing characters or plotlines. Each week's episode is standalone. The one that got flagged as among the best of the year got that honor because it starred Sean Bean (from LotR and Game Of Thrones) *as a transvestite*. The reviewer called his performance -- dressed in complete drag, and looking remarkably like...uh...a man dressed in drag, whom no one on earth would ever mistake for a woman
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PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for the day? All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society in a good way. Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing people-whom-you-know-little-about motives, and typing in capitals like that makes things more important, and whatever else you do online. Through my six-year internet *career* and learning how to try to converse in text, I (like others) have wondered what it would be like if all these people were in a 3-D cafe. How many would behave the same or similar as they do online? Hope you have another good day Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. And then nothing happens. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for the day? All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society in a good way. Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing people-whom-you-know-little-about motives, and typing in capitals like that makes things more important, and whatever else you do online. Through my six-year internet *career* and learning how to try to converse in text, I (like others) have wondered what it would be like if all these people were in a 3-D cafe. How many would behave the same or similar as they do online? Hope you have another good day Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. And then nothing happens. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason --
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for the day? All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society in a good way. Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing people-whom-you-know-little-about motives, and typing in capitals like that makes things more important, and whatever else you do online. Through my six-year internet *career* and learning how to try to converse in text, I (like others) have wondered what it would be like if all these people were in a 3-D cafe. How many would behave the same or similar as they do online? Hope you have another good day Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. So much for self awareness...they is, meant to be, there is.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for the day? All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society in a good way. Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing people-whom-you-know-little-about motives, and typing in capitals like that makes things more important, and whatever else you do online. Through my six-year internet *career* and learning how to try to converse in text, I (like others) have wondered what it would be like if all these people were in a 3-D cafe. How many would behave the same or similar as they do online? Hope you have another good day Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. And then nothing happens. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for the day? All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society in a good way. Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing people-whom-you-know-little-about motives, and typing in capitals like that makes things more important, and whatever else you do online. Through my six-year internet *career* and learning how to try to converse in text, I (like others) have wondered what it would be like if all these people were in a 3-D cafe. How many would behave the same or similar as they do online? Hope you have another good day Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuhLtH_Jg1U From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:21:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. And then nothing happens. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in that there are no continuing characters or plotlines. Each week's episode is standalone. The one that got flagged as among the best of the year got that honor because it starred Sean Bean (from LotR and Game Of Thrones) *as a transvestite*. The reviewer called his performance -- dressed in complete drag, and looking remarkably like...uh...a man dressed in drag, whom no one on earth would ever mistake for a woman -- a career best. She was right. The second was a mini-series (two 90-minute episodes) called Restless. What drew me to it was the cast, including actors of the quality of Hayley Atwell, Rufus Sewell, Michelle Dockery, Michael Gambon, and (the clincher for me) Charlotte Rampling. It turned out to be a well-written, tightly-crafted spy drama set both in modern time and in flashbacks to the WWII era. Charlotte Rampling plays the spy in modern times, having to explain to her daughter (Dockery) that back during the war she worked as a spy, and that people from that era were now trying to find and kill her. This leads to flashbacks of that era, with the young spy being played by Hayley Atwell. This sorta thing can be really lame and pedestrian in the wrong hands, but Restless kinda clicked for me on all levels. There. That's how I spent my day yesterday. Doesn't that sound more productive than diving into the past digging through old posts made to a tiny Internet forum that almost no one reads trying to get someone and win something that can never be won? :-) Priorities. For the cyberstalker/obsessive mentality, *nothing* is more important than going for the win. For others, watching TV is much more fun. Different strokes for different folks. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Thanks doc. I didn't take it personally, as you acknowledged. I enjoy respectful dialog, though I much prefer in person to text or Skype or phone. And I get that you aren't taking sides. Nor am I asking anyone to take sides. If my posts come across that way...well they just do. Text is limiting. (I realize you aren't saying that what I have posted is coming across that way but rather that you are simply clarifying that you aren't taking sides.) To life! :) PS: Since there are some old timer TMers here, does anyone know Dee Nelson? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for the day? All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society in a good way. Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I can't believe that in almost 38 yrs of TM and many of those close to inner circles, I have never heard of this guy before now! I wonder if he was ever at MIU. Carol, the name Dee Wilson sounds a little familiar. So does yours. Were you at MIU from 1975-80? Anyway I think just realizing that we all have hidden agendas helps disempower them somewhat. Also helps to have wise loving people willing to comfort or prod us as needed. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for the day? All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society in a good way. Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing people-whom-you-know-little
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Barry, you don't think anybody really believes this garbage you just spewed, do you? You tried to wiggle out of the charge that you have these ridiculous double standards, you got caught, and now you're feeling one-down and stupid. The bravado here just doesn't make it. And then nothing happens, you say. Yes, something did happen. You had to make two more posts pretending you didn't care that your hypocrisy had been exposed once again. You do it to yourself, Barry. You've been doing it ever since I first encountered you. Oh, and it didn't take hours. If you know how to use the Search feature, it takes maybe ten minutes, well worth it to see yet another display of Barry squirming. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. And then nothing happens. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in that there are no continuing characters or plotlines. Each week's episode is standalone. The one that got flagged as among the best of the year got that honor because it starred Sean Bean (from LotR and Game Of Thrones) *as a transvestite*. The reviewer called his performance -- dressed in complete drag, and looking remarkably like...uh...a man dressed in drag, whom no one on earth would ever mistake for a woman -- a career best. She was right. The second was a mini-series (two 90-minute episodes) called Restless. What drew me to it was the cast, including actors of the quality of Hayley Atwell, Rufus Sewell, Michelle Dockery, Michael Gambon, and (the clincher for me) Charlotte Rampling. It turned out to be a well-written, tightly-crafted spy drama set both in modern time and in flashbacks to the WWII era. Charlotte Rampling plays the spy in modern times, having to explain to her daughter (Dockery) that back during the war she worked as a spy, and that people from that era were now trying to find and kill her. This leads to flashbacks of that era, with the young spy being played by Hayley Atwell. This sorta thing can be really lame and pedestrian in the wrong hands, but Restless kinda clicked for me on all levels. There. That's how I spent my day yesterday. Doesn't that sound more productive than diving into the past digging through old posts made to a tiny Internet forum that almost no one reads
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Swear to God I made my post before reading yours, Ann. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. More like: I feel the need to talk about myself because the world must be so interested in me and my motivations and the tricky little things I like to get up to because my life is otherwise a wasteland of internet surfing/forum stalking and television watching. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. Yes, I think it took me all of ten minutes, about the same amount of time it takes to clean two stalls in the morning. And I was curious to see if I had forgotten what and how much you had written to or about LK. I actually looked back at the older posts for me, not you, sorry. You just happened to have asked me to provide some evidence, which was no big deal. Two birds with one stone. And if, as you say, I have 'won' something I'm still waiting for the prize. So, hand it over. Oh yeah, this is the prize, seeing you squirm and back peddle like some crazy guy slurping coffee in a Dutch cafe. And then nothing happens. Oh yes it does, you continue to make posts like this that make you look like some infantile, insecure fool. I wouldn't call that 'nothing'. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) Hee, hee, you are funny Barry, you do make me smile. I have a hard time salivating and laughing at the same time, always have. The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. TV's just not my thing. Way too many good books to read, too many nice horses to ride, too much work to do. I don't have the luxury or the desire to sit in front of the television set so obviously I don't think of it as the best use of my time. But I could imagine, other than the amount of time you have spent on internet forums, that this is one of your favourite, productive things to do with your life - oh, other than walking the occasional dog. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in that there are no continuing characters or plotlines. Each week's episode is standalone. The one that got flagged as among the best of the year got that honor because it starred Sean Bean (from LotR and Game Of Thrones) *as a transvestite*. The reviewer called his performance -- dressed in complete drag, and looking remarkably
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Thanks - you don't strike me as looking for allies - rather simply stating things as they happened. All the best to you. PS I think JK got in waaay over his head.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks doc. I didn't take it personally, as you acknowledged. I enjoy respectful dialog, though I much prefer in person to text or Skype or phone. And I get that you aren't taking sides. Nor am I asking anyone to take sides. If my posts come across that way...well they just do. Text is limiting. (I realize you aren't saying that what I have posted is coming across that way but rather that you are simply clarifying that you aren't taking sides.) To life! :) PS: Since there are some old timer TMers here, does anyone know Dee Nelson? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want you to apologize...but that is your opinion. That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. Why do you feel the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Thanks - you don't strike me as looking for allies - rather simply stating things as they happened. All the best to you. PS I think JK got in waaay over his head.:-) Interestingly enough, Jim, I agree with you about this last thang, the part about John Knapp. Then again, I feel the same way about Maharishi, and the Rama guy, and Robin, and...uh...you. There is IMO no bigger mistake one could make along the spiritual path than believing that one is in the position of being able to offer advice to others before one is capable of handling the karma of doing so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks doc. I didn't take it personally, as you acknowledged. I enjoy respectful dialog, though I much prefer in person to text or Skype or phone. And I get that you aren't taking sides. Nor am I asking anyone to take sides. If my posts come across that way...well they just do. Text is limiting. (I realize you aren't saying that what I have posted is coming across that way but rather that you are simply clarifying that you aren't taking sides.) To life! :) PS: Since there are some old timer TMers here, does anyone know Dee Nelson? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you like manipulating
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I don't mind making mistakes - a little humility never hurt anyone, including me. I will sometimes take chances with the things I express here on the 'net - and learn a lot from the experience. I am also flattered to be in the the same company, in your head, as all of those teachers, good or bad, with one significant difference - You've gotta be fucking insane to think I am trying to start an organization as each of them did, and teach people stuff - not exactly a tiny distinction. My advice to you, is to stay away from the hyperbole. Absolutely demolishes your credibility. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Thanks - you don't strike me as looking for allies - rather simply stating things as they happened. All the best to you. PS I think JK got in waaay over his head.:-) Interestingly enough, Jim, I agree with you about this last thang, the part about John Knapp. Then again, I feel the same way about Maharishi, and the Rama guy, and Robin, and...uh...you. There is IMO no bigger mistake one could make along the spiritual path than believing that one is in the position of being able to offer advice to others before one is capable of handling the karma of doing so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks doc. I didn't take it personally, as you acknowledged. I enjoy respectful dialog, though I much prefer in person to text or Skype or phone. And I get that you aren't taking sides. Nor am I asking anyone to take sides. If my posts come across that way...well they just do. Text is limiting. (I realize you aren't saying that what I have posted is coming across that way but rather that you are simply clarifying that you aren't taking sides.) To life! :) PS: Since there are some old timer TMers here, does anyone know Dee Nelson? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I thought you said earlier that you *knew* Aikido?? Apparently not very well. How embarrassing for both of us... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I don't mind making mistakes - a little humility never hurt anyone, including me. I will sometimes take chances with the things I express here on the 'net - and learn a lot from the experience. I am also flattered to be in the the same company, in your head, as all of those teachers, good or bad, with one significant difference - You've gotta be fucking insane to think I am trying to start an organization as each of them did, and teach people stuff - not exactly a tiny distinction. My advice to you, is to stay away from the hyperbole. Absolutely demolishes your credibility. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Thanks - you don't strike me as looking for allies - rather simply stating things as they happened. All the best to you. PS I think JK got in waaay over his head.:-) Interestingly enough, Jim, I agree with you about this last thang, the part about John Knapp. Then again, I feel the same way about Maharishi, and the Rama guy, and Robin, and...uh...you. There is IMO no bigger mistake one could make along the spiritual path than believing that one is in the position of being able to offer advice to others before one is capable of handling the karma of doing so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Thanks doc. I didn't take it personally, as you acknowledged. I enjoy respectful dialog, though I much prefer in person to text or Skype or phone. And I get that you aren't taking sides. Nor am I asking anyone to take sides. If my posts come across that way...well they just do. Text is limiting. (I realize you aren't saying that what I have posted is coming across that way but rather that you are simply clarifying that you aren't taking sides.) To life! :) PS: Since there are some old timer TMers here, does anyone know Dee Nelson? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Hey Share, I think Knapp has stated that he didn't attend MIU. If I recollect correctly, he was involved with the TMO for 23 years and left sometime in the mid-90s. I never attended MIU and was never deeply involved in TM. I got initiated in 1975 in western North Carolina when I was 16 years old. My initiator's name was Dee Nelson. I liked Dee and enjoyed volunteering at the local TM center for about a year. I took SCI at the time. In 1976, I left TM for a year and then jumped back in and dabbled some more and went to a weekend of rounding in eastern North Carolina. In the summer of 1977 I left behind the TMO and the practice. My maiden name is Hamby which was my name when I was involved in the TMO. There is a 'Carol Welch' who teaches (developed?) a mind-body movement program. That may be why my name sounds familiar. (_http://hanna-somatics.com/About.html ) Thanks Share... ~Carol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I can't believe that in almost 38 yrs of TM and many of those close to inner circles, I have never heard of this guy before now! I wonder if he was ever at MIU. Carol, the name Dee Wilson sounds a little familiar. So does yours. Were you at MIU from 1975-80? Anyway I think just realizing that we all have hidden agendas helps disempower them somewhat. Also helps to have wise loving people willing to comfort or prod us as needed. From: doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry, I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, to a point. Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your opinion; you cannot provide facts. You
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Share...if you are interested, here is a link to what Knapp has put online regarding his story. How much of it is true, I do not know. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/08/670873/-The-Grieving-Room-My-Cultic-Relationship --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Share, I think Knapp has stated that he didn't attend MIU. If I recollect correctly, he was involved with the TMO for 23 years and left sometime in the mid-90s. I never attended MIU and was never deeply involved in TM. I got initiated in 1975 in western North Carolina when I was 16 years old. My initiator's name was Dee Nelson. I liked Dee and enjoyed volunteering at the local TM center for about a year. I took SCI at the time. In 1976, I left TM for a year and then jumped back in and dabbled some more and went to a weekend of rounding in eastern North Carolina. In the summer of 1977 I left behind the TMO and the practice. My maiden name is Hamby which was my name when I was involved in the TMO. There is a 'Carol Welch' who teaches (developed?) a mind-body movement program. That may be why my name sounds familiar. (_http://hanna-somatics.com/About.html ) Thanks Share... ~Carol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I can't believe that in almost 38 yrs of TM and many of those close to inner circles, I have never heard of this guy before now! I wonder if he was ever at MIU. Carol, the name Dee Wilson sounds a little familiar. So does yours. Were you at MIU from 1975-80? Anyway I think just realizing that we all have hidden agendas helps disempower them somewhat. Also helps to have wise loving people willing to comfort or prod us as needed. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be general mode of operation for him. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: *chuckle* Barry
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Based on what I read in that link, he sounds like a very unstable individual who would have had problems regardless of what he became involved in, whether TM or something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Share...if you are interested, here is a link to what Knapp has put online regarding his story. How much of it is true, I do not know. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/08/670873/-The-Grieving-Room-My-Cultic-Relationship --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Share, I think Knapp has stated that he didn't attend MIU. If I recollect correctly, he was involved with the TMO for 23 years and left sometime in the mid-90s. I never attended MIU and was never deeply involved in TM. I got initiated in 1975 in western North Carolina when I was 16 years old. My initiator's name was Dee Nelson. I liked Dee and enjoyed volunteering at the local TM center for about a year. I took SCI at the time. In 1976, I left TM for a year and then jumped back in and dabbled some more and went to a weekend of rounding in eastern North Carolina. In the summer of 1977 I left behind the TMO and the practice. My maiden name is Hamby which was my name when I was involved in the TMO. There is a 'Carol Welch' who teaches (developed?) a mind-body movement program. That may be why my name sounds familiar. (_http://hanna-somatics.com/About.html ) Thanks Share... ~Carol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I can't believe that in almost 38 yrs of TM and many of those close to inner circles, I have never heard of this guy before now! I wonder if he was ever at MIU. Carol, the name Dee Wilson sounds a little familiar. So does yours. Were you at MIU from 1975-80? Anyway I think just realizing that we all have hidden agendas helps disempower them somewhat. Also helps to have wise loving people willing to comfort or prod us as needed. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my *chuckly* Barry... post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just so you know
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
I just read it too - I wonder if he would like some cheese with that whine? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: Based on what I read in that link, he sounds like a very unstable individual who would have had problems regardless of what he became involved in, whether TM or something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Share...if you are interested, here is a link to what Knapp has put online regarding his story. How much of it is true, I do not know. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/08/670873/-The-Grieving-Room-My-Cultic-Relationship --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Share, I think Knapp has stated that he didn't attend MIU. If I recollect correctly, he was involved with the TMO for 23 years and left sometime in the mid-90s. I never attended MIU and was never deeply involved in TM. I got initiated in 1975 in western North Carolina when I was 16 years old. My initiator's name was Dee Nelson. I liked Dee and enjoyed volunteering at the local TM center for about a year. I took SCI at the time. In 1976, I left TM for a year and then jumped back in and dabbled some more and went to a weekend of rounding in eastern North Carolina. In the summer of 1977 I left behind the TMO and the practice. My maiden name is Hamby which was my name when I was involved in the TMO. There is a 'Carol Welch' who teaches (developed?) a mind-body movement program. That may be why my name sounds familiar. (_http://hanna-somatics.com/About.html ) Thanks Share... ~Carol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I can't believe that in almost 38 yrs of TM and many of those close to inner circles, I have never heard of this guy before now! I wonder if he was ever at MIU. Carol, the name Dee Wilson sounds a little familiar. So does yours. Were you at MIU from 1975-80? Anyway I think just realizing that we all have hidden agendas helps disempower them somewhat. Also helps to have wise loving people willing to comfort or prod us as needed. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. --- In FairfieldLife
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Swear to God I made my post before reading yours, Ann. I just finished reading yours and knew that immediately. Then, of course, I got to thinking about the concept of synchronicity. Or maybe just great minds... and hearts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to Lord Knows or Bill and Brahmi barging in and going after Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. Please document this claim. Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't be ridiculous. I just love assigning homework to obsessives. It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel so triumphant afterwards, as if the original idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through hoops, girls. :-) Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the nature of the game to these gals, knowing in advance that they won't hear a word of the explanation, and that they'll fall for it again the next time I run it. More like: I feel the need to talk about myself because the world must be so interested in me and my motivations and the tricky little things I like to get up to because my life is otherwise a wasteland of internet surfing/forum stalking and television watching. Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) is to either 1) prove one of their perceived opponents WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, or 3) get the opponent to actually APOLOGIZE, what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully the task will involve digging into the past, hopefully for quite some time (so that they feel they've done their due diligence), at which point they trot out their research, hoping for the outcome they were looking for -- a win. Yes, I think it took me all of ten minutes, about the same amount of time it takes to clean two stalls in the morning. And I was curious to see if I had forgotten what and how much you had written to or about LK. I actually looked back at the older posts for me, not you, sorry. You just happened to have asked me to provide some evidence, which was no big deal. Two birds with one stone. And if, as you say, I have 'won' something I'm still waiting for the prize. So, hand it over. Oh yeah, this is the prize, seeing you squirm and back peddle like some crazy guy slurping coffee in a Dutch cafe. And then nothing happens. Oh yes it does, you continue to make posts like this that make you look like some infantile, insecure fool. I wouldn't call that 'nothing'. The only people they impress are those who think the same way they do, in terms of opponents and wins. They never notice that they've been assigned yet another make work project, and leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) Hee, hee, you are funny Barry, you do make me smile. I have a hard time salivating and laughing at the same time, always have. The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd win. So she wasted a bunch of time trying to win, while I watched a couple of good TV series with my housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who won in this scenario, or whether winning is even possible. TV's just not my thing. Way too many good books to read, too many nice horses to ride, too much work to do. I don't have the luxury or the desire to sit in front of the television set so obviously I don't think of it as the best use of my time. But I could imagine, other than the amount of time you have spent on internet forums, that this is one of your favourite, productive things to do with your life - oh, other than walking the occasional dog. Both of the TV shows were finds I discovered on a UK list of best TV of 2012. These shows have not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just in case they are. The first was an episode of a series called Accused. As I understand it (having seen no other episodes but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I just read it too - I wonder if he would like some cheese with that whine? Well, at least he's not some poor pathetic putz who had to change a tire in the cold.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Swear to God I made my post before reading yours, Ann. I just finished reading yours and knew that immediately. Then, of course, I got to thinking about the concept of synchronicity. Or maybe just great minds... and hearts. You know, something else just occurred to me: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: snip The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick in my memory. LordKnows would be very disappointed to hear this given Barry's great enthusiasm for his efforts to discredit Robin, and especially given Barry's invitation to LordKnows to discuss matters in private--which LordKnows appears to have accepted with alacrity. All that interaction, public and (presumably) private, and it's gone right down Barry's memory hole. Take *that*, LordKnows. You're no more interesting or memorable to Barry than Robin is. (Actually, given how obsessively Barry brings up Robin in his posts, it may be that LordKnows is even *less* interesting and memorable to Barry than Robin is--this despite the fact of Barry's friendly interactions with LordKnows versus Barry's refusal to interact with Robin or even read his posts.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I just read it too - I wonder if he would like some cheese with that whine? Anyone know where Knapp got his MSW and license? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: Based on what I read in that link, he sounds like a very unstable individual who would have had problems regardless of what he became involved in, whether TM or something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Share...if you are interested, here is a link to what Knapp has put online regarding his story. How much of it is true, I do not know. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/08/670873/-The-Grieving-Room-My-Cultic-Relationship --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Share, I think Knapp has stated that he didn't attend MIU. If I recollect correctly, he was involved with the TMO for 23 years and left sometime in the mid-90s. I never attended MIU and was never deeply involved in TM. I got initiated in 1975 in western North Carolina when I was 16 years old. My initiator's name was Dee Nelson. I liked Dee and enjoyed volunteering at the local TM center for about a year. I took SCI at the time. In 1976, I left TM for a year and then jumped back in and dabbled some more and went to a weekend of rounding in eastern North Carolina. In the summer of 1977 I left behind the TMO and the practice. My maiden name is Hamby which was my name when I was involved in the TMO. There is a 'Carol Welch' who teaches (developed?) a mind-body movement program. That may be why my name sounds familiar. (_http://hanna-somatics.com/About.html ) Thanks Share... ~Carol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I can't believe that in almost 38 yrs of TM and many of those close to inner circles, I have never heard of this guy before now! I wonder if he was ever at MIU. Carol, the name Dee Wilson sounds a little familiar. So does yours. Were you at MIU from 1975-80? Anyway I think just realizing that we all have hidden agendas helps disempower them somewhat. Also helps to have wise loving people willing to comfort or prod us as needed. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to another authority figure, who specializes in curing people, in order to fix myself. Its a set up. Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of each
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I just read it too - I wonder if he would like some cheese with that whine? Anyone know where Knapp got his MSW and license? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 wrote: Based on what I read in that link, he sounds like a very unstable individual who would have had problems regardless of what he became involved in, whether TM or something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Share...if you are interested, here is a link to what Knapp has put online regarding his story. How much of it is true, I do not know. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/08/670873/-The-Grieving-Room-My-Cultic-Relationship --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Share, I think Knapp has stated that he didn't attend MIU. If I recollect correctly, he was involved with the TMO for 23 years and left sometime in the mid-90s. I never attended MIU and was never deeply involved in TM. I got initiated in 1975 in western North Carolina when I was 16 years old. My initiator's name was Dee Nelson. I liked Dee and enjoyed volunteering at the local TM center for about a year. I took SCI at the time. In 1976, I left TM for a year and then jumped back in and dabbled some more and went to a weekend of rounding in eastern North Carolina. In the summer of 1977 I left behind the TMO and the practice. My maiden name is Hamby which was my name when I was involved in the TMO. There is a 'Carol Welch' who teaches (developed?) a mind-body movement program. That may be why my name sounds familiar. (_http://hanna-somatics.com/About.html ) Thanks Share... ~Carol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I can't believe that in almost 38 yrs of TM and many of those close to inner circles, I have never heard of this guy before now! I wonder if he was ever at MIU. Carol, the name Dee Wilson sounds a little familiar. So does yours. Were you at MIU from 1975-80? Anyway I think just realizing that we all have hidden agendas helps disempower them somewhat. Also helps to have wise loving people willing to comfort or prod us as needed. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: doctordumbass stated [...] the[re] is no substitute to digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. Totally agree. Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz it isn't. However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound relationship after a break-up. I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt others in service to their own imagined protection
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
OK - *Blue* cheese it is.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I just read it too - I wonder if he would like some cheese with that whine? Well, at least he's not some poor pathetic putz who had to change a tire in the cold.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Hey Judy, Thanks for the link. Yes, I was aware. I recall having read some of them. I think I found some of them shortly after I hired Knapp. I just perused a few. I had forgotten how he had stated he wanted to reform the TMO. Which I don't believe for a minute...now. At this point, I really believe nothing the man says or said. I think he is/was self-serving to an unhealthy degree. T. steal one of his past colleagues words, I don't trust either his praise nor his attacks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV reviews
Typo: T. steal should be To steal... ;) Ya'll are funny, btw...I read what Judy and Buck did on Judy's vacation. *chuckle* (I realize it's a joke.) Good to see the kiddin' around. Or at least that is how it appears to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Hey Judy, Thanks for the link. Yes, I was aware. I recall having read some of them. I think I found some of them shortly after I hired Knapp. I just perused a few. I had forgotten how he had stated he wanted to reform the TMO. Which I don't believe for a minute...now. At this point, I really believe nothing the man says or said. I think he is/was self-serving to an unhealthy degree. T. steal one of his past colleagues words, I don't trust either his praise nor his attacks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol wrote: Here's a link to the Way Back archive to Knapp's former therapy practice, Knapp Family Counseling. I think most of the links there work to access other parts of the archived site. http://web.archive.org/web/20110501055727/http://www.knappfamilycounseling.com/cultqual.html To Knapp's credit, he actually has some good articles there, imo. I read most of these articles when I researched him and checked out his license before I hired him. Raunchydog, Knapp's license is in NY. If I recall correctly, he got his MSW from SUNY, but I'm not sure which city it was. Knapp closed Knapp Family Counseling in 2011 around the time or shortly after he started the Center for Healing Spiritual and Cultic Abuse (CHSCA). The CHSCA was located out of Malone, New York and was incorporated in Delaware. Which is now also closed down, apparently. Knapp also founded the TM-Free blog for disaffected former TMers and ran it for, I believe, a couple of years. He turned it over to fellow TM critic Mike Doughney probably also around the time he started CHSCA. While he was running TM-Free, Knapp appeared to have Google Alerts, or something similar, set up to let him know about any articles concerning TM that appeared on the Web. He made a habit of commenting on those articles and in one way or another making it known he had a therapy practice for people who had been in cults (at least that was the case in the comments of his that I read; he may not have always done it). I notice that he mentioned his practice in his piece for DailyKos as well. Since I first encountered him--1996, I think, on the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental--he's shown himself to be a skilled and very active self-promoter (not that there's anything wrong with that per se). Carol, you're aware that Knapp posted here sporadically in 2008 and 2009, right? A total of 77 posts. If you're interested in reviewing them, here's the search page from the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch?AT=knappAM=containspos=0cnt=10 http://tinyurl.com/a9lbbto
