Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name//now - The threat of Bliss
On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:Seeing it being all that is needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: "Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter." Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy to see to be true also for MMY. He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from his teachings in spite of its weaknesses. I thought you said m ost people didn't benefit from TM Which is it? Many have benefited, most of the people who learned TM not. When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your thinking, write.He's not the only one here who does this. For some, it's as if it's their life's mission.It really is bizarre, and I often I just relegate it to the bizarro-bin, but at the same time you can't help but be disturbed by the "work [done] very hard internally, to not to understand and to distort" part. No bells of conscience (seemingly); is "cosmic heroin" (meditative bliss) that strong a drug? Apparently you do this with good conscience, because in your world it is only bliss that matters. Are you happy with the results this internal methodology has created in your life? Are you happy? Or maybe it doesn't matter for you. Just simple bliss matters. Not being happy can be solved eating Prozac? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra "seals" the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a "mudra" refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:53 AM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. It's interesting that when I change during a session from TM to "naasikaantarmadhya-saMyama" (SS III 44) my posture almost immediately gets straightened, or stuff. (naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kim atra savyaapasavya- sauSumneSu) Of course that's only my take on what that suutra might actually mean. There seems to be several differing opinions on what "naasikaantarmadhyasaMyama" really means. My translation is mainly based on the "Patañjalian" meaning of saMyama (desha-bandhash cittasya, and all that...) Samyama has a very different meaning in this system than in the Patanjali or yoga-darshana system. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses. Prana moves through the body in different ways based on the hand position abd what fingers are touching what on the hand. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra seals the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a mudra refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
That's fantastic to hear--I'm glad he's really sharing the depths of his knowledge and it's reaching a wider audience.On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Peter wrote:SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses. Prana moves through the body in different ways based on the hand position abd what fingers are touching what on the hand. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra "seals" the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a "mudra" refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 10:34:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united and the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are all kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit like that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. There is a common photo of Guru Dev sitting on a tiger skin in Lotus and holding his hands in Chin Mudra. There are actually three variations of chin mudra. The first one is with the tip of the thumb and the tip of the index finger touching one another. For the second one you slide your index finger down to the first joint of the thumb (this is the mudra Guru Dev is doing in the mentioned photo). And for the third you bring the index finger down to the base of the thumb. I find the first variation to be very relaxing. It does something to prana in your head. The other two variations change prana in your head, but I find them to be uncomfortable. If you do a mudra with ujiya breath it is more powerful. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
He also just introduced another pranayama. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's fantastic to hear--I'm glad he's really sharing the depths of his knowledge and it's reaching a wider audience. On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Peter wrote: SSRS teaches mudra practice on advanced courses. Prana moves through the body in different ways based on the hand position abd what fingers are touching what on the hand. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What are mudras in general and the Chin mudra in particular? The word mudra varies greatly depending on the context. It's most common meaning would likely be certain hand gestures used to move prana in certain ways (often in combination with certain asanas or meditations). It's broader, more ritual meaning would be as a very direct form of symbolic communication used for example in the practice of your personal deity. For example in the meditation on your personal deity you can convey certain actions and intents very directly through a simple hand gesture and it's mantra. The mudra seals the mantra and causes it's effect to be instantaneous, for example in using an action mantra. It's more obscure meaning would be in sexual yoga where a mudra refers to an actual sexual consort rather than a visualized one... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 1:54:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's interesting that when I change during a sessionfrom TM to "naasikaantarmadhya-saMyama" (SS III 44)my posture almost immediately gets straightened, or stuff.(naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaat kim atra savyaapasavya-sauSumneSu)Of course that's only my take on what that suutramight actually mean. There seems to be severaldiffering opinions on what "naasikaantarmadhyasaMyama"really means. My translation is mainly based onthe "Patañjalian" meaning of saMyama (desha-bandhash cittasya,and all that...) HA, well of course! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, andis the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 10:48 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. He was saying be celibate like me? No those exact words, but essentially, yes. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 10:36 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Maharishi could have stayed in the Himalayas with a few disciples, but choose to be available for the whole world, as Muktananda put it, is quite remarkable and a total sacrifice of life (Maharishi, 1982). Self-serving myth. Not credible. Which part of his self-created luxurious lifestyle is the sacrifice part? Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in purchase for several of Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all IKEA. What is IKEA? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
An upscale-looking but still fairly reasonable line of furniture, much of which you put together yourself, hence the lower prices. Their solid wood stuff is great, looks like it would be much more expensive than it is. They have a line of huge warehouse-like stores in the bigger cities. Sal On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in purchase for several of Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all IKEA. What is IKEA? __
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 10:36 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Maharishi could have stayed in the Himalayas with a few disciples, but choose to be available for the whole world, as Muktananda put it, is quite remarkable and a total sacrifice of life (Maharishi, 1982). Self-serving myth. Not credible. Which part of his self-created luxurious lifestyle is the sacrifice part? Luxurious lifestyle ? I've been involved in purchase for several of Maharishis private rooms - the furniture is all IKEA. What is IKEA? The 351st tal __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 9:54:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@... writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar,a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises hecalls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name."Cognized"? Did SSRS say he "cognized" them? That is the story I heard , cognized while in silence that M told him to do. Maybe Drpete knows the story. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms?AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY? What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be required to sign any such form or make any such pledge? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 1:17:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY I don't know if he teaches TM under another name or has other people do it for him. I also don't know what arrangements he had with M. My understanding is SSRS has said he has M's blessings to do what he is doing. M has all the opportunity in the worldto say "no he doesn't". None of us know what M has intended for SSRS to do. SSRS could very well be M's way of continuing the world plan while he focuses on India and it's revival. Who knows but M and SSRS? Remember the story M told all of us about how Guru Dev was put on a special program by his Guru Dev and it was so secret that Swami Krishnanand had to devise a story to fool the other students so they wouldn't be jealous. None of us know how many times M has done something like this or something even bigger. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 1:37:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: He also just introduced another pranayama.Gasp! That's it! 3 rounds of 10 short and long alternating gasps! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 3, 2006, at 4:18 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@ writes: Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms?AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name.I doubt if he himself teaches TM. If he does, and he was required to make the pledge not to teach save under the auspices of the TMO, where does that leave him as a self-proclaimed disciple of MMY? What makes you think that a Brahmin renunciate pundit would ever be required to sign any such form or make any such pledge? What makes you think a Brahmin renuciate pundit would automatically become a TM teacher? BTW, does SSRS wear saffron? Uh, because he teaches it?Not sure, my guess would be patchouli. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/3/06 9:54:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi In a message dated 7/3/06 5:40:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardhughes103@ richardhughes1 Pardon my ignorance, but I'm always interested in other spiritual groups but have no idea who AOL or SSRS are, could I have an explanation of these acronyms? AOL is the Art of Living Foundation, SSRS is Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, a former Maharishi student who cognized a series of breathing exercises he calls Sudarshana Kriya, and is the center piece of his teaching. In addition he also teaches TM , but under a different name. Cognized? Did SSRS say he cognized them? That is the story I heard , cognized while in silence that M told him to do. Maybe Drpete knows the story. MMY had SSRS in silence in the US (I think he was in Connecticut of all places) in the early 80's. SSRS said that things we're not fully right when he went into silence, but when he came out, everything was okay. Shortly after that he said that the Sudarshan Kriya technique came to him. He told MMY about it and wanted to teach it within the context of the TMO. MMY told him to go out and teach it on his own. SSRS said he was very surprised because he had never thought about leaving MMY. Whenever he saw MMY after that MMY would say to him, Are you still here? SSRS said it took him about a year to leave MMY. He and MMY are best buddies regardless of what MMY says about SSRS. SSRS just laughed in delight when he heard that MMY had said, in regard to SSRS, Meditators should watchout for sweet poison. He sees MMY as his master and on his puja table he has a picture of Guru Dev and a picture of MMY's feet (at least I assume they are MMY's feet and so I've been told!). __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/3/06 5:32:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SSRS just laughed in delight when he heard that MMYhad said, in regard to SSRS, "Meditators shouldwatchout for sweet poison." Drpete you explained that quote once a couple of years ago I think. Would you mind repeating what is meant by meditators should watch out for sweet poison. Some quote from the Gita? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/2/06 1:56:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told in 1970. Er, just what is "expected of us today?" Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and Yagaya, Proper Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we were told enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty minutes in the evening and don't do anything you know to be wrong.All voluntary and I cherry-pick what I do, don't you? The MAK products seem worthy in my own experience. Jyotish seems amusing. Vastu seems a tad "off the wall," but you never know... Spair, you're missing the point. Indians have known all along that there is more to getting enlightened than just doing a simple meditation for twenty minutes twice a day and not doing anything you know is wrong and that is why they were skeptical, not to mention the initiation fee which turned many off. I'm just going by what Indian friends of mine have told me in the past. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts... Can't be TOO easy or its not working! Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair!Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 12:11 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/29/06 9:12 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: And which would those be? Which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically? Youve been reading FFL for years. I shouldnt need to reiterate. I never heard you say you saw with your own eyes anything of any worthy note. Now trying to avoid looking into your past to see which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically? I honestly cannot remember you saying anything that you yourself wirnessed. Hey Off World I havent been avoiding your question; Ive just been busy and have fallen behind on FFL. Back when I was around MMY, I was in awe of him. I literally believed that he was the prophesized second coming. Not being a woman, and never having been his personal secretary, I had no first or second hand experience of his sexual activities, and although I had heard rumors of those since 1970, I dismissed them as preposterous. The only time I entertained the slightest suspicion that something was going on was once when he was alone for a long time with a very pretty girl named Vicky from South Africa. For some reason, I just started having doubts. When she came out of the room, her face was flushed and my doubts increased, but I figured she was just feeling the shakti from his darshan. Regarding money matters and other wacky schemes, these have always taken up a significant portion of his time. I sat through many meetings, late at night, when everyone, including MMY, was having a hard time staying awake, during which he brainstormed on money making plans in great detail. I always assumed that he needed the money to spread his message, but I often wished he would spend more time on knowledge and give his followers more personal attention. I thought, only Maharishi can finish the Gita commentary and write similar books. Its a waste of his time to dwell on money so much. But he seemed to enjoy it, so what the hey? And these werent always grand schemes, although they often were. He could spend hours deliberating over the price of a bottle of amrit. I didnt buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or 5 years ago. To date, I have spoken with two of the women. I never really knew the first, but I found her level headed and credible. Ive known the 2nd as long as Ive been in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her case, nothing happened. She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said,it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I didn�t buy into the Sexy Sadie rumors until 4 or 5 years ago. To date, I have spoken with two of the women. I never really knew the first, but I found her level headed and credible. I�ve known the 2nd as long as I�ve been in the movement, and I trust her completely. (In her case, nothing happened. She was propositioned very explicitly, and refused.) Someday when I'm around SSRS in private I might ask him about MMY's sexual activity. Not if it's true or not, because I assume it is, but to help my own understanding of how you get blazing Brahman on one hand and then all this silly sexual and financial stuff on the other. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.The horror of it all...Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff.Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, I have 6 months to turn you into yogis. He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, its a race to see who can purify the fastest. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 7/2/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture.The horror of it all...Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff.Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, “I have 6 months to turn you into yogis.” He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, “it’s a race to see who can purify the fastest.” _Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. I would also've liked to have seen more skillful purification practices make there way into advanced TM routines (other than 'just plain ole tapas'). They can be profoundly healing on so many levels, even the physical. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:52 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/2/06 9:24:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. Either that or they are teaching two different techniques, one for people with lazy minds, and one for people who have no problem controlling theirs. Ever see the picture from Willytex's website of hardcore TMers meditating in Dome? They have horrible posture, most slouching, one in a lazy boy chair! Compare to almost any other meditation class. TMer's are known in the broader meditational world for their bad posture. The horror of it all... Actually M does get it. He told us that none of these things like Asanas and mudras and what have you ever needed to be performed perfectly. The intent and practice to the best of one's ability is good enough. M recited a poem by Shankara to illustrate this. It was something like, A little understanding of the Gita, a taste of the Ganges, a pilgrimage to a Holy site, a little asanas and so forth was the key. Never did Shankara expect everyone to become great Vedic Scholar, or live off of the Ganges, go to all Holy places, or do all the asanas perfectly. But one should show the intent and do what he could and consider it done. M said there are teachers out there that demand everything be done perfectly, if one uses Chin Mudra, they expect the finger tips of index and thumb be placed perfectly and form a perfect circle and the other three fingers held perfectly straight away. For us, he said, it is enough that the index finger and thumb touch. Transcending is what we pay attention to, not all the other stuff. Unfortunately when posture is not right during meditation--and there *are* many ways to sit--it screws with the vital airs and a number of other things. If you can't sit in lotus or some la-dee-da asana, just sit in a chair. And if you can't sit in a chair for some reason? Personally, I recommend learning the use of a meditation belt, they have a long history of use in both Hindu and Buddhist yogis and are portable (e.g. easy to to hiking). There are also some new ergonomic mediation chairs and seats that look pretty cool. Some that I've tried are quite usable. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 2, 2006, at 8:00 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 2, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Rick Archer wrote: snip At the start of my 6-month course, Maharishi said, "I have 6 months to turn you into yogis." He had us doing lots of asanas, taking cold baths, fasting, sitting in meditation without back support (which he strongly recommended), etc. The impression he gave was, OK, enough of this slouchy softy business. Time to get serious. Another thing he said was, "it's a race to see who can purify the fastest." Perhaps without the direct influence of a teacher these key instructions have fallen by the wayside. Exactly how many of the meditators pictured slumping on Willytex's Web site had attended Rick's six-month course at which these "key instructions" were given? Exactly my point: probably ZERO, thus "key instructions have fallen by the wayside". __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/2/06 10:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united and the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are all kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit like that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/2/06 10:34:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are mudras in general and the "Chin mudra" in particular? You know the classic pose of a yogi, sitting in lotus with hands on knees and thumbs touching the index fingers and the other remaining fingers held straight? That is symbolic of the Higher and lower self united and the three gunas cast off. That hand gesture is called Chin Mudra. There are all kinds of Mudras and they supposedly direct energies in the body to flow in specific directions. I think somebody asked M on my TTC if it was ok to sit like that, As I recall he didn't have any problem with it. There is a common photo of Guru Dev sitting on a tiger skinin Lotus and holding his hands in Chin Mudra. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 8:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 6:52:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com writes:--- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi In a message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]pno_re_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com) writes:I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is doing:creating a "Woodstock of meditation" and initiating millions on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva,tirelessly. Millions?OffWorld Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is SSRS attracts many Indian immigrants in the United States to his AOL movement, unlike MMY was ever able to do. Dr. Chopra was an Indian immigrant. So is Dr. Hari Sharma, and maybe Farrokh Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too numerous to mention. OffWorld Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I rarely saw Indians coming in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not saying there weren't any, I'm say they are a very small percentage of over all initiations in the US. The events I have seen put on by AOL have primarily Indians running the events and Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States.I've noticed that same thing especially in the last 5years. In the early 90's there were very few indiansnow its Bangalore-West! Exactly __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly IndiansWow, how sad, the US Indians are the only ones interested. Seems like AOL is dead in the water.OffWorld __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:snip Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once you get in; sort of like they use scare tactics and other brain-washing tools to keep you hooked.With all due respect, what the f*ck are you talkingabout? I've been "in" the AOL and have seen the innerworkings quite clearly and the people involvedincluding SSRS are completely natural, spontaneous andopen. Seriously, what are you talking about when yourefer to "scare tactics" and "brain washing?" Are youjoking? Robert, LOL, yes he's joking. AOL also stands for America On Line, who have been accused of not allowing people to escape or leave them. People have complained about having trouble canceling their service with AOL. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 8:52:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ullshit, MIU/MUM had loads of Indians when I was there. Many of the them are still in Fairfield or still in to TM and are now living in the US OffWorld It may seem a lot to you, but your sense of perspective is lacking. Go to any city in the US where AOL is active and see the difference. In Houston, the overwhelming majority you see in an AOL center are Indian, usually south Indian. I'm told it's the same in other cities in Texas as well and apparently DrPete is noticing the same or something similar situation where he is. Maharishi never attracted large numbers of Indian immigrants to the TMO, not even small numbers, they were tiny or token numbers. Ask the average Initiator how many Indians he/she has initiated. It won't be many. The situation with MUM is that it is the hub of the movement and many of those Indians are probably there on scholarship to get a free or cheap education. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly IndiansWow, how sad, the US Indians are the only ones interested. Seems like AOL is dead in the water.OffWorld No, because there are still more people going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" babajii_99@... wrote.Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once you get in; sort of like theyuse scare tactics and other brain-washing tools to keep you hookedDo you have experience or reports you heard about this? Specifics?OffWorld Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on Line, refresh yourself on the original post. People complained about having great difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were being held hostage. LOL! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The TM mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did you think MMY had swiped them from Sivananda? One of the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva Purana.Gasp, you mean the "traditional" techniques and mantras are actually, well, "traditional?" Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very traditional. Just because M uses these techniques to supplement or enhance TMdoesn't mean he has ripped them off from some other teacher. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly Indians.MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 7/1/06 1:57:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ffl@ writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement inAOL and the TMO is like night and day in the UnitedStates. But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how manycenters have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly Indians. MMY geared TM for westerners. This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making money.MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn you to be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts...Can't be TOO easy or its not working!Obviously, MMY just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control do. When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told in 1970. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OffWorld...the US Indians are the only ones interested...DIXONNo, because there are still more people going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking.ROFLMAO ! ! !Dixon says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. OffWOrld Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve a higher percentage of Indians than any other singleethnic group, white, black, Hispanic, east Asian. But even with out the Indians, AOL is still growing faster than the TMO. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com writes: OffWorld ...the US Indians are the only ones interested... DIXON No, because there are still more people going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking. ROFLMAO ! ! ! Dixon says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. OffWOrld Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve a higher percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white, black, Hispanic, east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still growing faster than the TMO.Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how there are no Indians in TMO anymore.You are right, because I can't see one single Indian on this whole page of pictures of TMO !http://tinyurl.com/s42gn My my, but now you're cheating. Those arephotos of Indians in India. I think you were quite aware that I have been talking all along about Indian immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India. If you will double back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has attracted more Indian immigrants in the United States than M ever did. My comments have been strictly about Indians in the United States, no place else. Now, is there anything else you want to take out of context __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/1/06 6:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told in 1970.Er, just what is "expected of us today?" Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and Yagaya, Proper Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we were told enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty minutes in the evening and don't do anything you know to be wrong. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 7/1/06 9:41:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And now you are saying that "SSRS has attracted more Indian immigrants in the United States than M ever did"So like I say...It looks like it is an Indian religion. Good luck wit' that.OffWorld You might ask Dr.Pete about that. I wouldn't know. My only point which seemed to upset a couple of people was that SSRS has done better involving Indians in America with AOL than M did with TM. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 29, 2006, at 9:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 6/29/06 8:19 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but will find something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were there.That’s true, because the majority who were there weren’t in the inner circle. But those in the inner circle soon learned that MMY’s private and public personae were quite different. This discovery caused the majority of MMY’s personal secretaries to leave the movement. __Thanks for mentioning this, I think this important point is not mentioned enough. As word leaked out about his duplicity it helped many make the decision to split. Once you knew the public side was essentially a front, a facade and M. a poseur, you realize it's just a business. That's one of the reasons many believe the words attributed to Guru Dev when he said 'go to the mountains to meditate, you'll never be good at anything other than making money.' (huge paraphrase)."Mahesh has been interested in power, in the accumulation of money, and in women. Why does he live in a big house, own helicopters, airplanes, etc? Why does he spend most of his time involved in business planning about making money? It is because he is a businessman who has the desires that other wealthy businessmen have. His spiritual front is his scam and the way he gets people to give him their time and money." --Earl Kaplan __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 12:43 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, do you know what happened to: John Cowhig Vesey Creighton Are they still TMing or did they leave to? Im sure John is still meditating. Probably Vesey too, although you never know. John was doing real estate deals then worked with Gregg Wilson on Governors Technologies which was a plan to extract oil from Canadas oil sands, (or whatever theyre called). That company went belly-up and lost a lot of rus money (people invested in it out of respect for John and Gregg). Last I heard, he was working with a company that make guitars, and spends his time roaming around in the woods looking for suitable pieces of wood. Id like that job. Heres the scoop on Vesey: http://tinyurl.com/gxhgo __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 30, 2006, at 8:07 AM, authfriend wrote:On the other hand--just hypothetically, now--if a person had an entirely genuine desire to enlighten the world, perceived that in order to do so it would be necessary to have a big movement that was run like a business--including accumulating money-- and himself had CEO-type inclinations in terms of his temperament, how would his actions look any different from what MMY is doing? In other words, how can you tell the difference between someone whose primary motivation is to run a business that accumulates money and uses a spiritual front to do so, and someone whose primary motivation is to spiritually regenerate the world and uses business techniques as a means? I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is doing: creating a "Woodstock of meditation" and initiating millions on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva, tirelessly. Goenka and HH the Dalai Lama might be other examples of what I'd hope to see.I think there's too much an avaricious tone to M.'s actions to really fudge that as 'spiritual regeneration'. However the PR they put out is extremely well done and very, very convincing--almost seductive in it's allure. Since the 60's generation in the west is the first generation in history to be a green meme society, it's almost predictable that as this new societal paradigm arose there would also be those in place to intuit that and use minor siddhis (in this case)--to exploit it and this new (and somewhat naive) trend. Hell he even did one better: he created a Green meme city: Fairfield, Iowa. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 7:07 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand--just hypothetically, now--if a person had an entirely genuine desire to enlighten the world, perceived that in order to do so it would be necessary to have a big movement that was run like a business--including accumulating money-- and himself had CEO-type inclinations in terms of his temperament, how would his actions look any different from what MMY is doing? In other words, how can you tell the difference between someone whose primary motivation is to run a business that accumulates money and uses a spiritual front to do so, and someone whose primary motivation is to spiritually regenerate the world and uses business techniques as a means? I think he did and does genuinely want to spiritually uplift the world. He saw the money making as a necessary means to that end, but got so caught up in it that it became his primary focus. He lost his perspective. I also think that hes much more than a businessman in a dhoti. Hes got the spiritual juice big time. But again, his worldly indulgences and pursuits compromised that. Not that you cant be simultaneously worldly and spiritual. But theres something amiss if youre posing as a celibate monk yet behaving as anything but one in your private life. That dichotomy creates a crazy schism in your personality and in your organization. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 30, 2006, at 8:50 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 30, 2006, at 8:07 AM, authfriend wrote: On the other hand--just hypothetically, now--if a person had an entirely genuine desire to enlighten the world, perceived that in order to do so it would be necessary to have a big movement that was run like a business--including accumulating money-- and himself had CEO-type inclinations in terms of his temperament, how would his actions look any different from what MMY is doing? In other words, how can you tell the difference between someone whose primary motivation is to run a business that accumulates money and uses a spiritual front to do so, and someone whose primary motivation is to spiritually regenerate the world and uses business techniques as a means? I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is doing: creating a "Woodstock of meditation" and initiating millions on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva, tirelessly. Goenka and HH the Dalai Lama might be other examples of what I'd hope to see. In other words, only the business models of which you approve are valid ones for someone with a genuinely spiritual motivation.No, of course not, not my point at all. I think there's too much an avaricious tone to M.'s actions to really fudge that as 'spiritual regeneration'. How and where, exactly, do you draw the line between making money to facilitate the spiritual regeneration of the world and being avaricious? I don't think the point was necessarily about the amount of money generated but the duplicitous nature of the person raising it: spiritual and smiling to the cameras, avaricious and type A once the cameras are turned off. What's even more scary is someone like M. with some spiritual power and shakti and some minor siddhis leveraging them for these avaricious ends.It wish I could find the quote attributed to SBS, it was right on the money. When you find out the guy was more like Donald Trump (or may Howard Hughes these days), one would hope it would give you pause to think.There are a lot of stories that could be told which haven't.Ever hear the story how right after Guru Dev died M. put up a sign saying ‘who wants instant enlightenment?’ and he would lay his hands on their heads, give them shakipat and the person would swoon. A kinda Reverend Mahesh affair. Small incidents like these speak volumes. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 30, 2006, at 10:28 AM, gerbal88 wrote:Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his 6- month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I did all of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more than anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts provided more information about the 6-month courses. Just more of Yogananda with his lovely spin on it. I'd heard Swami Sivananda also (all the TM mantras are in one of his books). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 30, 2006, at 10:28 AM, gerbal88 wrote:And the 'sidhi' stuff? He had no idea, literally. He sent people to India to find yogis; he got obscure translations, he fiddled and fumed and tinkered ... but what worked best was the cooing, get 'em all spacey and suggest hopping. How simple; he'd always known that people would pay him for what they expected to get in return and that he never had any trouble convincing them it was their fault it wasn't working. He still bitches about too much negativity, too little work being done by others, yadda, yadda. There was actually a very prominent yogi and scholar (Hariharananda) who at that time who had reconstructed the entire school of samkhya which the yoga sutras come from and the yoga sutras themselves. He knew all the commentaries and techniques. This school is still in existence even after the founders death. His comments and translations, it's my understanding, were seminal in manufacturing the TM-Sidhi program. The YS pundit I studied under often referred to Hariharananda's own commentaries which were indispensible for grokking the YS in this day and time, as they are experientially very, very clear. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 8:04 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever hear the story how right after Guru Dev died M. put up a sign saying who wants instant enlightenment? and he would lay his hands on their heads, give them shakipat and the person would swoon. A kinda Reverend Mahesh affair. Small incidents like these speak volumes. Never heard that one. Whats your source? Sounds like diksha. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Jun 30, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 6/30/06 8:04 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever hear the story how right after Guru Dev died M. put up a sign saying ‘who wants instant enlightenment?’ and he would lay his hands on their heads, give them shakipat and the person would swoon. A kinda Reverend Mahesh affair. Small incidents like these speak volumes. Never heard that one. What’s your source? Sounds like diksha. If s/he wants to say s/he can. They're on this group. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 6/30/06 1:31:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his 6- month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I did all of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more than anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts provided more information about the 6-month courses. Just more of Yogananda with his lovely spin on it. I'd heard Swami Sivananda also (all the TM mantras are in one of his books).The TM mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Didyou think MMY had swiped them from Sivananda? One of the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva Purana. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Was this before or after he started eating babies? ;-) --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 8:04 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever hear the story how right after Guru Dev died M. put up a sign saying who wants instant enlightenment?¹ and he would lay his hands on their heads, give them shakipat and the person would swoon. A kinda Reverend Mahesh affair. Small incidents like these speak volumes. Never heard that one. What¹s your source? Sounds like diksha. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 10:16 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And in private, no one laughed at the followers more than Mahesh. Even at Estes Park he told the story of the First Grader coming home to tell mom and dad this is A and this is B ... in his eyes, his new teachers were being sent forth in pricesly the same state. And they were charging money for it and he was getting half. AND these people loved him for it. Who said a little knowledge was a dangerous thing! Hah! Give people a little knowledge and they'll bust their butt for you. Also at Estes Park he said that if theres a war on, you dont have time to train sharpshooters. You just hand people and rifle and send them out to fight. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Judy, our conversation is begining to take a disturbing turn! --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was this before or after he started eating babies? ;-) How do you think he *got* the babies? The instant-enlightenment-seeking mothers would swoon and drop their babies, and MMY would snatch them up and eat them. And the mothers would be so blissed out they'd never even notice. (Because of the free babies, he wouldn't charge them for the shaktipat.) --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 8:04 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever hear the story how right after Guru Dev died M. put up a sign saying��who wants instant enlightenment?� and he would lay his hands on their heads, give them shakipat and the person would swoon. A kinda Reverend Mahesh affair. Small incidents like these speak volumes. Never heard that one. What�s your source? Sounds like diksha. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Jun 30, 2006, at 2:25 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was he *explicitly* "posing as a celibate monk" during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. In what ways, specifically? Uh, with his penis? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is doing: creating a "Woodstock of meditation" and initiating millions on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva, tirelessly. Millions?OffWorld Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is SSRS attracts many Indian immigrants in the United States to his AOL movement, unlike MMY was ever able to do. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Jun 30, 2006, at 7:23 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 30, 2006, at 2:25 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Was he *explicitly* "posing as a celibate monk" during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. In what ways, specifically? Uh, with his penis? Typing this V E R Y S L O W L Y so Vaj gets it: In what ways, specifically, was he "posing as a celibate monk" during the time he was banging the women with his penis? I S N ' T T H E R E S T S E L F E X P L A N A T O R Y ? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/30/06 1:25 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during the time he was banging the women, by the way? Yes. In what ways, specifically? If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, like him. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/30/06 6:52:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com writes: I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is doing: creating a "Woodstock of meditation" and initiating millions on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva, tirelessly. Millions? OffWorld Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is SSRS attracts many Indian immigrants in the United States to his AOL movement, unlike MMY was ever able to do.Dr. Chopra was an Indian immigrant. So is Dr. Hari Sharma, and maybe Farrokh Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too numerous to mention.OffWorld Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I rarely saw Indians coming in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not saying there weren't any, I'm say they are a very small percentage of over all initiations in the US. The events I have seen put on by AOL have primarily Indians running the events and Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States.But how many indians were in the US back in the 70swhen TM was popular compared to how many are in the USnow when AOL is popular? Big, big difference. There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised.It's mostly Indians. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/06 6:52:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi In a message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: I would hope it would look like what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is doing: creating a Woodstock of meditation and initiating millions on a donation basis and doing some important form of world-seva, tirelessly. Millions? OffWorld Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is SSRS attracts many Indian immigrants in the United States to his AOL movement, unlike MMY was ever able to do. Dr. Chopra was an Indian immigrant. So is Dr. Hari Sharma, and maybe Farrokh Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too numerous to mention. OffWorld Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I rarely saw Indians coming in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not saying there weren't any, I'm say they are a very small percentage of over all initiations in the US. The events I have seen put on by AOL have primarily Indians running the events and Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian involvement in AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United States. I've noticed that same thing especially in the last 5 years. In the early 90's there were very few indians now its Bangalore-West! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once you get in; sort of like they use scare tactics and other brain-washing tools to keep you hooked. With all due respect, what the f*ck are you talking about? I've been in the AOL and have seen the inner workings quite clearly and the people involved including SSRS are completely natural, spontaneous and open. Seriously, what are you talking about when you refer to scare tactics and brain washing? Are you joking? Besides, without the internet; and other various time wasters; People would find more time to meditate. People now have little time to do anything besides the basics. Eat, poop, go to work, watch tv, play video games, be on computer or cell phone, listen to Ipod, have sex(if your lucky), sleep, wake up and start over. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Oh my, I seem to have touched a nerve. ;-) --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Was this before or after he started eating babies? ;-) He didn't eat babies. You made that up. You LIAR. Show us where he said that. Did you personally see him eat a baby? Or did you just hear from one of his secretaries that he ate a baby? And they are not secretaties. They are are ex-secretaries. For a very good reason. None had the stones to be true warriors against the Age of Kali. You see Petey, I can deal with the asuras sidhic weapons, and their magic charriots, and the blood. I don't want money, and I don't want medals. What I do want is for you to stand there in that faggoty white doctors uniform and with your Harvard-wannabee mouth and extend me some fucking courtesy. So tell me, did you hear it from someone who heard it from someone 50 years ago? YOU LIAR! He did not eat babies. If he ate babies, my god, what would we do tomorrow! YOU LIAR. He did not eat babies, you made that up. Did you see him eat babies? Huh? You are just jealous of people who have real spiritual experiences and are in denial and so you made it up. You are just projecting your own desire to eat babies. You say you want the truth, but YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with iron butts. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Dr Peter? Well MMY has a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for La Antilla, and you curse the new hard cores at the door. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Satan is at the wall, that Kali Yuga is only a short breath from our shores. Those things you refer to, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. So be a man. Be a know of reality. Admit. You lied. Becasue if you don't, I'm gonna rip out your eyes, and piss into your dead skull! You fucked with the wrong Sidha! He didn't eat babies, really? Did he? I can't imagine who he is satirizing this time... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Jun 30, 2006, at 6:11 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, our conversation is begining to take a disturbing turn! Well, you did say once you wanted to have tantric sex with me. This is as close as yer gonna get. Would this be a delusion of grandeur Dr. P ? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 30, 2006, at 6:11 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, our conversation is begining to take a disturbing turn! Well, you did say once you wanted to have tantric sex with me. This is as close as yer gonna get. Would this be a delusion of grandeur Dr. P ? No, just hornitis maximus __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jul 1, 2006, at 12:28 AM, gullible fool wrote: There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating time or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, they were. The only center I spent any appreciable amount of time in was Cambridge. I never saw many Indians there, just a few who came for group program on occasion and a few who were brought in to be staff for the short-lived MVU school that was around maybe twelve years ago. The MVU cook was sent back to India after he slapped a lady governor cook in the kitchen, by the way. But the Cambridge center closed in July 1998, and a lot of young Indians came to this area after July 1998 to fulfill the US's legacy of being the first country in history to sell out its own labor force, and they might have been interested in being active with a dynamic TM center. There's no way to know, but I think there would have been a higher participation of Indians in TM had the movement been as interesting to be a part of as it was in the 70s and 80s. While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly Indians. I would not feel at all uncomfortable walking into an AOL center, but I am quite content with what I have now, which is VortexHealing, a shamanic technique, and two darshans a year when Ammachi comes to Boston in July. That's my sadhana these days, and I have no interest at all in doing techniques from India. Been there, done that, and gone on to much more powerful stuff. Did you update your TM sadhana via Amma (e.g. did you have her transmit your own devata to what your TM ishta was?). Just curious how many others have done this.(I understand if this is too personal to answer online).I mention this because many have done this, not just myself (continued with their TM devata thru further means) and many others may be interested in your shared comments! GD always wanted to know what was the cosmic love in the hearts of those he gave mantra to, so this is IMO really relevant and a natural progression for some TM practitioners. After all, it's all about love.TIA,Vaj __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/28/06 5:29 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M Group was another of Mahesh's jokes at the expense of others' sincerity. Bevan got the real thing back in India in the early 60's. I think he got initiated in 67. Guru Bev isn't much different from Guru wee shite Weasel You mean MMY? when it comes to screwing whatever moves slower than he does. -- Mahesh made me an M Group initiator, mantras for monks and nuns who wanted to start TM via SCI. What a joke. One mantra for monks, one for nuns, same as Fiuggi mantras for teenages. No OM in it? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant. Care to elaborate? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant. Care to elaborate? Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want him to be. What difference would some old story make now. The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is ready to read it. Many have said they found it liberating. Thats the difference these old stories can make. So bang away if youre so inclined. Some will believe you; some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant. Care to elaborate? Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want him to be. What difference would some old story make now. The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is ready to read it. Many have said they found it liberating. Thats the difference these old stories can make. So bang away if youre so inclined. Some will believe you; some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key. The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to like me. But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I saw that his public facade was nothing like his private one where he was totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and you will get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you say narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a picture. I'll think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some of what the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like. Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the height of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first one, the Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed on the mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses from some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as 108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I can. He could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the weakness of others. So is that the highly compromising activity you alluded to? Please elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having the whole story told. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/29/06 8:03 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand the desire to know the nitty and the gritty of all this, but it's just useless information to clutter the mind. Either you think Mahesh is the way to salvation or you don't. I don't. For me its not so black and white. Meditating and being involved with MMY was of tremendous value in my life. Leaving was of tremendous value. Learning the behind-the-faade details has helped me (and many others) sort things out. After all, when Toto pulled back the curtain and exposed the real Wizard of Oz, Dorothy and her friends were disillusioned, but that was a good thing. The illusion wasnt doing them any good. But it had served a purpose in bringing them to Oz. And the professor wasnt such a bad chap after all. He pointed out to them that they already had what they were looking for. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant. Care to elaborate? Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want him to be. What difference would some old story make now. The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is ready to read it. Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the difference these old stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some will believe you; some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key. The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to like me. But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I saw that his public facade was nothing like his private one where he was totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and you will get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you say narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a picture. I'll think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some of what the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like. Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the height of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first one, the Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed on the mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses from some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as 108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I can. He could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the weakness of others. So is that the ³highly compromising activity² you alluded to? Please elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having the whole story told. MMY is a sweet, enlightened demon, right out of the Puranas! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/29/06 8:17 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, give it up...that book you are writing is going to be full of unsubstantiated rumor and childish exaggerations and gossip. No-one except the TMexers here will read it. Im not writing a book. Never said I was. Have no desire to write one. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/29/06 8:19 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but will find something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were there. Thats true, because the majority who were there werent in the inner circle. But those in the inner circle soon learned that MMYs private and public personae were quite different. This discovery caused the majority of MMYs personal secretaries to leave the movement. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/29/06 8:50 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/29/06 8:19 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but will find something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were there. Thats true, because the majority who were there werent in the inner circle. But those in the inner circle soon learned that MMYs private and public personae were quite different. This discovery caused the majority of MMYs personal secretaries to leave the movement. That he was very demanding of the people around is not new news to anyone on the movement. Everyone knows this. Nobody cares. Those who are close to him either stay with him or leave. He doesn't care. Only the ego cares. Im not talking about demanding. Im talking about ethical and rational shortcomings that most people either skirted, rejected (and left) or attuned to, becoming unethical and irrational themselves. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/29/06 9:12 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And which would those be? Which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically? Youve been reading FFL for years. I shouldnt need to reiterate. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:26 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Vaj wrote: IIRC there is also an interview with one of the Shankaracharya's where they state that it is an assumed name and that he was not a yogi either. Vaj may not be aware--or does not want readers to be aware--that this interview was conducted by Robert Kropinski, who had made a huge deal of suing TM for all kinds of damages (his case was essentially thrown out of court, and there was a private settlement on the one remaining charge). Plus which, if you read the entire interview, you'll find many misstatements of fact on the part of the shankaracharya, plus an obvious very strong anti-Maharishi bias. Kropinski's intention in holding this interview was to provide the shankaracharya with a platform to denounce MMY.The important thing about His Holiness' comments on M. is that they represent first hand knowledge, and of course, if true, would account for His Holiness' derogatory remarks on M. Who better to comment then someone who was there and was close to Guru Dev! His comments have the ring of truth *and* represent traditional practices in this lineage.His comments do jive with other sources from the Shankaracharya of the south and other Swamis who knew SBS personally (and probably numerous others as well)--and this just as a casual observation, I'm not a full time apologist or someone who lives vicariously thru TM. However if one spent time in such a pursuit as some here do, night and day, it'd be easy to get to the truth. But as it stands now, there are few who care.What is suspicious is the second hand accounts and the mere speculation, most of which comes from movement types who have a long history of attempting to whitewash movement history. So this is hardly what one could consider an "objective" report. snip No assembly of saints has either conferred upon him a title of Maharishi Did any "assembly of saints" confer the same title on Ramana Maharishi? Or did he acquire it informally on the basis of the admiration of his students? Not sure--he's from a different lineage and unique in this way. Mahesh comes from a long established institution, the Holy Shank. Order.I think he know what Guru Dev called him, GD called him Mahesh. And he probably didn't change his name until after his death. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:43 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Vaj wrote: IIRC there is also an interview with one of the Shankaracharya's where they state that it is an assumed name and that he was not a yogi either. Q: Mahesh Yogi claims that he preaches yoga according to the instruction of his Guru. The truth of the matter, however, is that Guru Dev never asked anyone who is not a Brahmin by birth to go and spread his teachings. What is your opinion? Shankaracharya: This is true. In reality, preaching, initiating, guiding people engaged in spiritual pursuits, is the duty of those who are born in a Brahmin family. If he is a follower of Sanatan Dharma (the Hindu religion), he should not do what he is doing. This is against the orders of his Guru. Moreover, making others write puujya (revered), calling himself Maharishi (a great seer) is totally inappropriate. No assembly of saints has either conferred upon him a title of Maharishi nor has announced him puujya. In the ashram he was doing the work of typing and writing and translation. Then he became a sadhu. However, he has never practiced yoga. http://minet.org/Documents/shank-5 Of course, this guy left Gurudev around the time MMY joined up with Gurudev, so how does he possibly know? It does not mean he did not remain close to SBS! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2006, at 6:43 PM, peterklutz wrote: I.e. Mahesh was given the full name Maharishi Mahesh Yogi when his peers/tradition over fifty years ago cognized him to be (1) a yogi as well as (2) a great seer. Anyone? I'd always heard it was a name he assumed on his own, that, is it is not an honorary name. In the early days (1967), he told the story often that it was a name that his students (note: *not* peers) had given him, and that he allowed them to do so. Do you believe him? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/27/06 10:40:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: In a message dated 6/27/06 7:14:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]net writes: In the ongoing battle at wikipedia certain editors have taken to the practice of referring to MMY as simply Mahesh.Aside the fact that the only name MMY has been known by for the last fifty or so years is MMY, I was under the impression that he has actually been given this name in keeping with the tradition he comes from. I.e. Mahesh was given the full name Maharishi Mahesh Yogi when his peers/tradition over fifty years ago cognized him to be (1) a yogi as well as (2) a great seer.Anyone? I read recently that Mahesh was another name for Shiva, and I'm as they say down wit' datIndians I have known over the years always referred to him as Mahesh Yogi and seemed to resent the title Maharishi. I think they question how he came about the title and who gave it to him. Somebody on the list once told a story that sounded legit to me. I could care less, he's always Maharishi to me.Not Mr. Bob? Might have been __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Seems like MMY likes all the benefits of having disciples, but he accepts none of the reponsibility of having disciples. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing MMY has never done is accept a formal disciple, as far as I can tell. Nandkashore is gunna be pissed when he finds this out. You might want to straighten out Purusha and Mother Divine on this point before they get too much older. Unrequited discipleship, how sad! It was probably just a misunderstanding on their part. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Vaj wrote: IIRC there is also an interview with one of the Shankaracharya's where they state that it is an assumed name and that he was not a yogi either. Q: Mahesh Yogi claims that he preaches yoga according to the instruction of his Guru. The truth of the matter, however, is that Guru Dev never asked anyone who is not a Brahmin by birth to go and spread his teachings. What is your opinion? Shankaracharya: This is true. In reality, preaching, initiating, guiding people engaged in spiritual pursuits, is the duty of those who are born in a Brahmin family. If he is a follower of Sanatan Dharma (the Hindu religion), he should not do what he is doing. This is against the orders of his Guru. Moreover, making others write puujya (revered), calling himself Maharishi (a great seer) is totally inappropriate. No assembly of saints has either conferred upon him a title of Maharishi nor has announced him puujya. In the ashram he was doing the work of typing and writing and translation. Then he became a sadhu. However, he has never practiced yoga. http://minet.org/Documents/shank-5 I think you are too hung up on the formality and man made traditions surrounding what (Maharishi) Mahesh (Yogi) can or cannot do, with regard to teaching. His whole life has been about breaking boundaries, as was Guru Dev's. We've all heard the story about Guru Dev leaving home at such a young age. Surely that was forbidden by some set of laws, certainly the legal system at a minimum. Should he have waited until he was of legal age to leave home? As to Guru Dev not specifically telling (Maharishi) Mahesh (Yogi) to teach others, there has been a lot of talk about silent instruction here on FFL. Why would it not apply here? On the other hand, can we say we know every word that passed between Guru Dev and M, even privately? I wrote awhile back that there is no possible way for a realized person to act in such a way that is accepted by all who observe them. No possible way- this is referred to in scriptures. Of course it is up to each of us to decide who is realized and who isn't. One thing MMY has never done is accept a formal disciple, as far as I can tell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/28/06 10:23 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing MMY has never done is accept a formal disciple, as far as I can tell. And, of course, there's Sattyanand, Devindra and Guru Bev (Bevin became a brahmachari, probably one of the very few westerners if not the only one who managed that). What do you mean managed? A number of guys got initiated into the M Group - most left to get married. Dont know whether Bevan was formally initiated. Never got married, but sowed plenty of wild oats while MUM President. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name on 6/28/06 2:04 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question to Peter did he hear directly from any long-term disciples that MMY accepts none of the reponsibility of having disciples. Or is it simply baseless speculation? There were times when Maharishi promised, both to individuals and groups, that he would take personal responsibility for their evolution. The best known example was at the end of the Amherst course, summer of 78 or 79, when MMY was trying to talk everyone into moving to MIU. He promised that if they did so, he would take personal responsibility for their evolution. He may even have said their enlightenment. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:46 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/28/06 2:04 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question to Peter did he hear directly from any long-term disciples that MMY accepts none of the reponsibility of having disciples. Or is it simply baseless speculation? There were times when Maharishi promised, both to individuals and groups, that he would take personal responsibility for their evolution. The best known example was at the end of the Amherst course, summer of Œ78 or Œ79, when MMY was trying to talk everyone into moving to MIU. He promised that if they did so, he would take personal responsibility for their evolution. He may even have said their enlightenment. Ok. thanks. Good point. And to be precise, we don't know he is not fulfilling his promise -- but yea, it looks like a low probability. Still I would not count a large group, for which he makes a mass promise, to be direct disciples as i understand the term. Others may interpret it differently At least 17 true blue TMers accessible to Fred Travis in Fairfield, report non-stop witnessing 24/7 for months or years at a time and show consistent EEG and other parameters as compared to people who don't report this. That's great: proof that dualistic mediation methods lead to dualistic state of consciousness.Go figure. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
In a message dated 6/27/06 7:14:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the ongoing battle at wikipedia certain editors have taken to the practice of referring to MMY as simply Mahesh. Aside the fact that the only name MMY has been known by for the last fifty or so years is MMY, I was under the impression that he has actually been given this name in keeping with the tradition he comes from. I.e. Mahesh was given the full name Maharishi Mahesh Yogi when his peers/tradition over fifty years ago cognized him to be (1) a yogi as well as (2) a great seer. Anyone?I read recently that Mahesh was another name for Shiva, and I'm as they say down wit' dat Indians I have known over the years always referred to him as Mahesh Yogi and seemed to resent the title Maharishi. I think they question how he came about the title and who gave it to him. Somebody on the list once told a story that sounded legit to me. I could care less, he's always Maharishi to me. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the ongoing battle at wikipedia certain editors have taken to the practice of referring to MMY as simply Mahesh. Aside the fact that the only name MMY has been known by for the last fifty or so years is MMY, I was under the impression that he has actually been given this name in keeping with the tradition he comes from. I.e. Mahesh was given the full name Maharishi Mahesh Yogi when his peers/tradition over fifty years ago cognized him to be (1) a yogi as well as (2) a great seer. I'm unaware of any evidence that the title was bestowed on him by any official or quasi-official body of his peers, or under the auspices of his specific tradition. FWIW, according to the editor of The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi, the title Maharshi (or Maharishi) is traditionally given to one who inaugurates a new spiritual path. Ramana Maharshi's editor says nothing about his own master having received the title from his peers; it appears to have been bestowed informally by his students. As I understand it, the same is the case for Maharishi. Those who attended his early lectures in India began calling him Maharishi, the newspaper accounts of the lectures picked it up, and it stuck. I can't confirm this, but I've never heard anything to counter it either; and if Ramana's editor is correct about what the title is given *for*, it would make sense--since what MMY was teaching was in many respects starkly different from more traditional teaching, as with Ramana. Plus which, those teachers who depart from traditional teaching are somewhat less likely to receive official titles from their peers. (Ramana Maharshi's followers customarily addressed him, in the third person, as Bhagavan, a designation of literal divinity, apparently with his consent. So there may be worse excesses than calling a teacher Great Seer.) In the context of a supposedly informational article on TM, even if it contains criticisms, it would be absurd to use Mahesh instead of Maharishi. In that context, the use of Mahesh represents a personal derogatory opinion and has no place in a factual article. But perhaps it would mitigate the objections if as he is called by his students were inserted after the first use of Maharishi by itself. I was present when someone asked SSRS what we should call him. He laughed and said we could call him anything we wanted because it didn't matter. He thought the question was pretty funny. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/27/06 7:14:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the ongoing battle at wikipedia certain editors have taken to the practice of referring to MMY as simply Mahesh. Aside the fact that the only name MMY has been known by for the last fifty or so years is MMY, I was under the impression that he has actually been given this name in keeping with the tradition he comes from. I.e. Mahesh was given the full name Maharishi Mahesh Yogi when his peers/tradition over fifty years ago cognized him to be (1) a yogi as well as (2) a great seer. Anyone? I read recently that Mahesh was another name for Shiva, and I'm as they say down wit' dat Indians I have known over the years always referred to him as Mahesh Yogi and seemed to resent the title Maharishi. I think they question how he came about the title and who gave it to him. Somebody on the list once told a story that sounded legit to me. I could care less, he's always Maharishi to me. Not Mr. Bob? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
