date:20060802

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/1/06 10:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > 
> > , FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > BC - Brahman Consciousness
> >> > BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi
> >> > CC - Cosmic Consciousness
> >> > GC - God Consciousness
> >> > MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> >> > POV - Point of View
> >> > SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master
> >> > SCI  Science of Creative Intelligence
> >> > SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji)
> >> > SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture)
> >> > TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines)
> >> > TNB - True Non-Believer
> >> > TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization
> >> > TTC  TM Teacher Training Course
> >> > UC - Unity Consciousness
> >> > YMMV = Your Mileage may vary
> >> >
> > 
> > IMO - In My Opinion
> > IMHO - In My Humble Opinion
> > IMNSHO - In My Not-So Humble Opinion
> > 
> > LOL - Laughing Out Loud
> > ROTFLOL/ROFLOL Rolling On the Floor, Laughing Out Loud
> > 
> > ROTFLOLSTC - Rolling On The Floor, Laughing Out Loud, Scaring The Cat (my
> > favorite)
> > 
> Thanks, but these are universal Internet acronyms. I tried to list just the
> ones that are exclusive to FFL.
>

POV and YMMV are standard also...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Re: Ask MMY 
> Posted by: "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   sparaig 
> Tue Aug 1, 2006 2:11 pm (PST) 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1"
>  wrote:
> >
> > How about one of you eloquent writers who are in the
> dome these days ask the question 
> > about a foundation in TM TM Siddhis and the
> inclusion of other wisdom teachings in 
> > participants lives. Ask MMY if he wants these avid
> broadminded seekers excluded from the 
> > courses or included to bring up the numbers. There
> are still 1,000+- siddhas in Fairfield 
> > not in the dome.
> >
> 
> Actually, if you look at the brainwave patterns of TM
> and the TM-Sidhis compared to virtually 
> every other meditation technique out there, the
> differences are so startling and drastic that 
> anyone that choses to practice those other techniques
> obviously doesn't get the role that TM/
> TM-Sidhis are playing. AND, the detrimental effect
> those techniques are playing as well.
> 
> Given the insensitivity of such people, its only
> politeness that brings the TMO to ban them 
> without any comment: they're stupid and
> counter-evolutionary, but the TMO doesn't say it.
> 
> 
> I think you actually believe your own bullshit. 
> What techniques tha t are detrimental are you
> referring to?
> And what research do you have to back up your claims.?
> Thruout India I have sat with various gurus  who
> extolled the virtues of sadhana but never mentioned
> TM.
> Even at Jyotir Math the shankaracharya's right hand
> man,
> Ramananda Saraswati, told me his main sadhana was
> japa,
> not TM.
> Just because you write it , does not make it so.
> You should take a lie detector test. After reading a
> number of your posts I believe you will make up
> anything to justify your point of view and have a
> great need to be right, truth be damned.
> Get some help man, for God's sake.

And MMY revived TM in its pure form, so Nyah.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- sparaig  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "inthislifetime300" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry Judy,
> > > > > 
> > > > > David signature was not on the previous post. 
> > > It was at the bottom 
> > > > > of his website.
> > > > 
> > > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > > > of a specific religion?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates
> > > awakening to one's personal indwelling 
> > > Divine Presence.
> > > 
> > > This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The
> > > parietal lobes, located in the brain near the 
> > > top of the skull, are responsible for our
> > > orientation in space. Without them we could not 
> > > get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a
> > > doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in 
> > > the 30's, however, scientists agree that the
> > > parietal lobes are overactive in most human 
> > > beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes
> > > causes us to feel existentially separate 
> > > and even opposed to our environment - not supported,
> > > not safe. The diksha energy calms 
> > > the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to
> > > experience our natural oneness with the 
> > > rest of creation.
> > > 
> > > The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with
> > > the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love 
> > > of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The
> > > activation of the frontal lobes leads to 
> > > the experience of God realization, oneness with God,
> > > our own personal God. 
> > > 
> > > Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in
> > > its history to assist the world's 
> > > transformation to a higher level of consciousness.
> > > It is a gift of the Divine through the 
> > > intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi
> > > Amma. It is offered through their 
> > > followers, called deeksha givers, all over the
> > > world.
> > 
> > This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain
> > functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at its
> > best!
> > 
> I recall exactly the opposite being claimed by the TMO years ago, 
> that more enlightened functioning was associated with areas at the 
> back of the brain...Whatever...
>

Yes, but they at least show the EEG and fMRI of the people that they've tested. 
I can claim 
that picking my nose leads to enlightenment because it enlivens certain parts 
of the brain. 
I'll show you how to pick your nose for a fee and you too can get this 
brain-stimulating 
technique. What, you want me to show you the research?

How materialistic of you...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

2006-08-02 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> **SNIP** 
> > On the above [SNIPPED] point, I don't think it's a matter of the 
> TMO telling 
> > them that they can't do the non-TM activities on the course but, 
> > rather, because of a religious activity performed by this 
> individual 
> > during NON-Dome practise he is being told he can't attend the 
Dome.
> > 
> > It was this discrimination based solely upon this individual's 
> > personal religious practises that I earlier suggested was a 
> > violation of federal equality laws (this individual adheres to, 
> > practises and is regular in both TM and TM Sidhis and only does 
> > those practises as per the instructions while in the Dome).
> > 
> **END**
> 
> Yes, but the exclusion of people from TMO courses is still legally 
> valid because the TMO makes the rules, or sets the conditions, 
which 
> determine whether or not a person is accepted to the course or is 
> allowed to participate.  There's no actual discrimination based on 
> religion (I would argue) because likely neither the TMO or the 
> individual who's practicing diksha would define any of the 
activities 
> as religious.  And even if they did, it's still okay for a 
religion 
> to define what constitutes acceptable religious behavior and to 
> exclude behavior that doesn't comport with their belief or dogma.
> 
> I'd expect that the TMO would make the argument that the 
technology 
> of world peace or the Maharishi Effect would somehow or another be 
> compromised by the outside-the-dome activities of the person 
> regardless of their adherence with other authorized TMO practices 
> while in the dome.
> 
> The sad thing, as Robert G. points out in #107744, is "Why would 
an 
> organization, which is trying to create unity, and
> harmony,
> Take an action like this, that creates seperateness, and 
disharmony;
> . . .."
> 
> The contradictions that have existed in the TMO for a long time 
are 
> really dismaying.  But, for what it's worth, they don't seem to be 
> that much different than any other organized endeavor of humans on 
> the planet.  It's just that many or most of us thought at some 
time 
> in our life that this was different.  Apparently not.
>

Thanks for the insightful analysis, Marek.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Re: Ask MMY 
> Posted by: "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   sparaig 
> Tue Aug 1, 2006 8:15 pm (PST) 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <
> 
> 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the
> Pope? Not 6 percent, I'll bet.
> 
> More spin.
> SO with the chance t ostop the end of the world
>  94% think it is not worth the time and effort to even
> bother.
> "So, how many think coming to the dome is waste of
> time?"
> "AHHH. Almost everybody."

You think that the Roman Catholics don't have Peace Masses and the like?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Re: Ask MMY 
> Posted by: "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   sparaig 
> Tue Aug 1, 2006 2:11 pm (PST) 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1"
>  wrote:
> >
> > How about one of you eloquent writers who are in the
> dome these days ask the question 
> > about a foundation in TM TM Siddhis and the
> inclusion of other wisdom teachings in 
> > participants lives. Ask MMY if he wants these avid
> broadminded seekers excluded from the 
> > courses or included to bring up the numbers. There
> are still 1,000+- siddhas in Fairfield 
> > not in the dome.
> >
> 
> Actually, if you look at the brainwave patterns of TM
> and the TM-Sidhis compared to virtually 
> every other meditation technique out there, the
> differences are so startling and drastic that 
> anyone that choses to practice those other techniques
> obviously doesn't get the role that TM/
> TM-Sidhis are playing. AND, the detrimental effect
> those techniques are playing as well.
> 
> Given the insensitivity of such people, its only
> politeness that brings the TMO to ban them 
> without any comment: they're stupid and
> counter-evolutionary, but the TMO doesn't say it.
> 
> 
> I think you actually believe your own bullshit. 
> What techniques tha t are detrimental are you
> referring to?

Qi Qong meditation leads to mental problems so often that there is an actual 
DSM-IV 
syndrome named after it: Qi Qong Psychosis. Kundalini techniques lead to this 
kind of 
thing often enough that there is a proposal for a similar section in the DSM-IV 
with 
Kundalini techniques. The only claim about TM is that sometimes people who 
already have 
severe mental problems can't handle it.

BTW, the kid that murdered the other kid at MUM had apparently decided, *ON HIS 
OWN*, 
to stop taking his anti-psychosis meds. It's impossible to tell whether or not 
TM had 
anything to do with his behavior, but on its face, it doesn't seem likely. 
Going cold turkey 
off that kind of thing without medical supervision is well known to lead to 
ultra-violent 
behavior. No need to blame TM for it.

> And what research do you have to back up your claims.?

See the DSM-IV.

> Thruout India I have sat with various gurus  who
> extolled the virtues of sadhana but never mentioned
> TM.

Well, like duh. It's hard to claim guru-hood if someone gets more out of 
justing sitting 
quietly for 20 minues twice-daily.

> Even at Jyotir Math the shankaracharya's right hand
> man,
> Ramananda Saraswati, told me his main sadhana was
> japa,
> not TM.

Gurudev didn't devise a householder's technique for the masses.

> Just because you write it , does not make it so.

Yep.

> You should take a lie detector test. After reading a
> number of your posts I believe you will make up
> anything to justify your point of view and have a
> great need to be right, truth be damned.
> Get some help man, for God's sake.

Feeling threatened?

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[FairfieldLife] 'Bush's -Total Commitment To Israel'

Bushs Embrace of Israel Shows Gap With Father By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG Published: August 2, 2006 WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 When they first met as United States president and Israeli prime minister, George W. Bush made clear to Ariel Sharon he would not follow in the
footsteps of his father.The first President Bush had been tough on Israel, especially the Israeli settlements in occupied lands that Mr. Sharon had helped develop. But over tea in the Oval Office that day in March 2001 six months before the Sept. 11 attacks tightened their bond the new president signaled a strong predisposition to support Israel. He told Sharon in that first meeting that Ill use force to protect Israel, which was kind of a shock to everybody, said one person present, given anonymity to speak about a private conversation. It was like, Whoa, where did that come from? That embrace of Israel represents a generational and philosophical divide between the Bushes,
one that is exacerbating the friction that has been building between their camps of advisers and loyalists over foreign policy more generally. As the president continues to stand by Israel in its campaign against Hezbollah even after a weekend attack that left many Lebanese civilians dead and provoked international condemnation some advisers to the father are expressing deep unease with the Israel policies of the son. The current approach simply is not leading toward a solution to the crisis, or even a winding down of the crisis, said Richard N. Haass, who advised the first President Bush on the Middle East and worked as a senior State Department official in the current presidents first term. There are times at which a hands-off policy can be justified. Its
not obvious to me that this is one of them. Unlike the first President Bush, who viewed himself as a neutral arbiter in the delicate politics of the Middle East, the current president sees his role through the prism of the fight against terrorism. This President Bush, unlike his father, also has deep roots in the evangelical Christian community, a staunchly pro-Israeli component of his conservative Republican base. The first President Bush came to the Oval Office with long diplomatic experience, strong ties to Arab leaders and a realpolitik view that held the United States should pursue its own strategic interests, not high-minded goals like democracy, even if it meant negotiating with undemocratic governments like Syria and Iran. The current President Bush has practically cut off Syria and Iran, overlaying his fight against terrorism with the aim of creating what Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice calls a new Middle East. In allying himself so closely with Israel, he has departed not just from his fathers approach but also from those of all his recent predecessors, who saw themselves first and foremost as brokers in the region. In a speech Monday in Miami, Mr. Bush offered what turned out to be an implicit criticism of his fathers approach. The current crisis is part of a larger struggle between the forces of freedom and the forces of terror in the Middle East, Mr. Bush said. For decades, the status quo in the Middle East permitted tyranny and terror to thrive. And as we saw on September the 11th, the status quo in the Middle East led to death and destruction in the United States. Now, as Mr. Bush faces growing pressure from Arab leaders and European
allies to end the current wave of violence, these differences between father and son have come into sharp relief. There is a danger in a policy in which there is no daylight whatsoever between the government of Israel and the government of the United States, said Aaron David Miller, an Arab-Israeli negotiator for both Bush administrations, who has high praise for James A. Baker III, the first President Bushs secretary of state. Bush One and James Baker would never have allowed that to happen. Other advisers who served the elder Mr. Bush are critical as well, faulting the current administration for having put diplomacy on the back burner in the hope that unattractive regimes would fall, in the words of Mr. Haass. Whether the
disagreement extends to father and son is unclear. The president has been generally critical of the Middle East policies of his predecessors in both parties, but has never criticized his father explicitly. The first President Bush has made it a practice not to comment on the administration of his son, but his spokesman, Tom Frechette, said he supports the younger Mr. Bush 100 percent. Brent Scowcroft, the former national security adviser, who has been openly critical of the current president on Iraq, did not return calls seeking comment. He wrote an opinion article in The Washington Post on Sunday calling on the United States to seize this opportunity to reach a comprehensive settlement for resolving the conflict of more than half a century between Israel and the Palestinians. Mr. Ba

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Roots of TM

I had the same feeling, when I was in the presence of Maharishi;
That it was better to be in his presence, then doing TM.
In his presence, TM, in a way, became meaningless...
In his presence, for me, I felt like I was in the radiance of the 
sun, of enlightenment...of the Self...
And just closing my eyes, I would immediately feel the 
transcendence...
So, I would say, that was where Maharishi, was coming from,
When he answered the question about what 'exactly' Guru Dev taught.

It seems from reading the various quotes, which were offered at this 
site;
That Guru Dev, was teaching TM, in the quote about mantras and the 
use of mantras.
Guru Dev, also, continually reminded everyone, like Jesus did;
To 'Seek the Kingdom of Heaven first, and all else will be added unto 
you';
When Guru Dev, says to seek the 'Para Atma'- the all pervasive Atma, 
or Soul.
He says to trust in Atma, or soul, to 'know and be provided for; 
And that the more you trust your soul.
The more the soul or Atma will reward you;
Or be strengthened in you.
So, I guess, it's possible to spin the story either way;
Since Guru Dev, is not available to be interviewed on this matter.
Either Guru Dev, wasn't' teaching TM.
Or that Guru Dev was teaching TM;
And his presence to Maharishi;
Was more powerful, then the technique, itself.
Because the Master is the embodiedment of the technique...itself.
Like Jesus was living the 'Christ' energy;
And I am sure just being around him;
Would have enlivened that 'Christ' energy;
To all who would have been open to it.
But like Jesus or Maharishi or Guru Dev;
We have to learn to follow our own souls;
Follow the intuition of the heart;
And any technique that works for you;
To refine your perception and experience pure being;
Will be just fine.
And if you have the chance to be around someone who is fully 
Enlightened;
Then that is a great gift.
R.G.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In early 1968 The Beatles pop group flew out to India to study 
> philosophy and meditation with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Rishikesh 
and 
> their visit immediately became front-page news across the world. 
But 
> for many it is still unclear what The Beatles actually learned, and 
> where the teaching originated from. A clue is offered in the lyrics 
> of 'Across the Universe', a Beatles song written by John Lennon 
> containing the oft-repeated refrain 'Jai Guru Deva', a Hindi phrase 
> meaning 'Victory to Guru Dev', sung in praise of Guru Dev (the guru 
> of their meditation teacher).
> 
> Back in 1959, shortly after Maharishi Mahesh Yogi arrived in the 
West 
> he proclaimed: - 
> 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I 
> learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now 
> impart to the world.'
> 
> As a young monk he was known as Brahmachari Mahesh and his master 
was 
> guru Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, a spiritual leader 
> famous in Northern India; held in high esteem by his many disciples 
> and devotees both young and old. Brahmachari Mahesh is said to have 
> joined his guru's ashram in 1940 and gradually assumed the role of 
> secretary.
> 
> Speaking in 1952 to a Delhi audience he pleaded: - 
> 'I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so 
that 
> his elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and 
> corner of our country and abroad.'
> 
> After his guru passed away in 1953 Brahmachari Mahesh withdrew and 
> spent time alone at a remote location in the far north of India. 
> After moving down south he accepted an invitation to give a series 
of 
> lectures at a library where, allegedly, someone referred to him as 
> a 'maharshi' (maha=great, rishi=sage). As 'Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' 
he 
> made a name for himself, publicly extolling the benefits of mantra 
> meditation and establishing a worldwide organisation to promote his 
> views. Millions have paid to be taught the simple practice of 
> Transcendental Meditation (TM), and as all initiates are required 
to 
> attend a short puja ceremony celebrated in front of a portrait of 
> Guru Dev, everyone is led to assume that the TM technique comes 
> directly from Guru Dev. 
> 
> Asked if Transcendental Meditation is exactly the same meditation 
> technique as that taught by Guru Dev, the Maharishi answered : -
> M M Y - 'Must be using better techniques than I am using.'
> Questioner - 'Was he still using the long mantras and all of that?'
> M M Y - 'It's very difficult for me to find out what he was using, 
> because initiation is all in private... And I was never interested 
> who was given what mantra; I was interested in myself... Full of 
> divine radiance, people don't have to do the mantra and meditation 
in 
> his presence. Just, the transformation was in his air, so full of 
> life.'
> 
> So, to those who came to see him, what did 'Guru Dev' Swami 
> Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math actually 
teach? 
> 
> Mysteri

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Roots of TM

I had the same feeling, when I was in the presence of Maharishi;
That it was better to be in his presence, then doing TM.
In his presence, TM, in a way, became meaningless...
In his presence, for me, I felt like I was in the radiance of the 
sun, of enlightenment...of the Self...
And just closing my eyes, I would immediately feel the 
transcendence...
So, I would say, that was where Maharishi, was coming from,
When he answered the question about what 'exactly' Guru Dev taught.

It seems from reading the various quotes, which were offered at this 
site;
That Guru Dev, was teaching TM, in the quote about mantras and the 
use of mantras.
Guru Dev, also, continually reminded everyone, like Jesus did;
To 'Seek the Kingdom of Heaven first, and all else will be added unto 
you';
When Guru Dev, says to seek the 'Para Atma'- the all pervasive Atma, 
or Soul.
He says to trust in Atma, or soul, to 'know and be provided for; 
And that the more you trust your soul.
The more the soul or Atma will reward you;
Or be strengthened in you.
So, I guess, it's possible to spin the story either way;
Since Guru Dev, is not available to be interviewed on this matter.
Either Guru Dev, wasn't' teaching TM.
Or that Guru Dev was teaching TM;
And his presence to Maharishi;
Was more powerful, then the technique, itself.
Because the Master is the embodiedment of the technique...itself.
Like Jesus was living the 'Christ' energy;
And I am sure just being around him;
Would have enlivened that 'Christ' energy;
To all who would have been open to it.
But like Jesus or Maharishi or Guru Dev;
We have to learn to follow our own souls;
Follow the intuition of the heart;
And any technique that works for you;
To refine your perception and experience pure being;
Will be just fine.
And if you have the chance to be around someone who is fully 
Enlightened;
Then that is a great gift.
R.G.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In early 1968 The Beatles pop group flew out to India to study 
> philosophy and meditation with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Rishikesh 
and 
> their visit immediately became front-page news across the world. 
But 
> for many it is still unclear what The Beatles actually learned, and 
> where the teaching originated from. A clue is offered in the lyrics 
> of 'Across the Universe', a Beatles song written by John Lennon 
> containing the oft-repeated refrain 'Jai Guru Deva', a Hindi phrase 
> meaning 'Victory to Guru Dev', sung in praise of Guru Dev (the guru 
> of their meditation teacher).
> 
> Back in 1959, shortly after Maharishi Mahesh Yogi arrived in the 
West 
> he proclaimed: - 
> 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I 
> learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now 
> impart to the world.'
> 
> As a young monk he was known as Brahmachari Mahesh and his master 
was 
> guru Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, a spiritual leader 
> famous in Northern India; held in high esteem by his many disciples 
> and devotees both young and old. Brahmachari Mahesh is said to have 
> joined his guru's ashram in 1940 and gradually assumed the role of 
> secretary.
> 
> Speaking in 1952 to a Delhi audience he pleaded: - 
> 'I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so 
that 
> his elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and 
> corner of our country and abroad.'
> 
> After his guru passed away in 1953 Brahmachari Mahesh withdrew and 
> spent time alone at a remote location in the far north of India. 
> After moving down south he accepted an invitation to give a series 
of 
> lectures at a library where, allegedly, someone referred to him as 
> a 'maharshi' (maha=great, rishi=sage). As 'Maharishi Mahesh Yogi' 
he 
> made a name for himself, publicly extolling the benefits of mantra 
> meditation and establishing a worldwide organisation to promote his 
> views. Millions have paid to be taught the simple practice of 
> Transcendental Meditation (TM), and as all initiates are required 
to 
> attend a short puja ceremony celebrated in front of a portrait of 
> Guru Dev, everyone is led to assume that the TM technique comes 
> directly from Guru Dev. 
> 
> Asked if Transcendental Meditation is exactly the same meditation 
> technique as that taught by Guru Dev, the Maharishi answered : -
> M M Y - 'Must be using better techniques than I am using.'
> Questioner - 'Was he still using the long mantras and all of that?'
> M M Y - 'It's very difficult for me to find out what he was using, 
> because initiation is all in private... And I was never interested 
> who was given what mantra; I was interested in myself... Full of 
> divine radiance, people don't have to do the mantra and meditation 
in 
> his presence. Just, the transformation was in his air, so full of 
> life.'
> 
> So, to those who came to see him, what did 'Guru Dev' Swami 
> Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math actually 
teach? 
> 
> Mysteri

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY



On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:09 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  How about one of you eloquent writers who are in the dome these days ask the question  about a foundation in TM TM Siddhis and the inclusion of other wisdom teachings in  participants lives. Ask MMY if he wants these avid broadminded seekers excluded from the  courses or included to bring up the numbers. There are still 1,000+- siddhas in Fairfield  not  in the dome.Actually, if you look at the brainwave patterns of TM and the TM-Sidhis compared to virtually  every other meditation technique out there, the differences are so startling and drastic that  anyone that choses to practice those other techniques obviously doesn't get the role that TM/ TM-Sidhis are playing. AND, the detrimental effect those techniques are playing as well. Like brainwashing you?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

On Aug 2, 2006, at 3:03 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Re: Ask MMY Posted by: "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] sparaig Tue Aug 1, 2006 2:11 pm (PST) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1" wrote: How about one of you eloquent writers who are in the dome these days ask the question about a foundation in TM TM Siddhis and the inclusion of other wisdom teachings in participants lives. Ask MMY if he wants these avid broadminded seekers excluded from the courses or included to bring up the numbers. There are still 1,000+- siddhas in Fairfield not in the dome. Actually, if you look at the brainwave patterns of TM and the TM-Sidhis compared to virtually every other meditation technique out there, the differences are so startling and drastic that anyone that choses to practice those other techniques obviously doesn't get the role that TM/ TM-Sidhis are playing. AND, the detrimental effect those techniques are playing as well. Given the insensitivity of such people, its only politeness that brings the TMO to ban them without any comment: they're stupid and counter-evolutionary, but the TMO doesn't say it. I think you actually believe your own bullshit. What techniques tha t are detrimental are you referring to? And what research do you have to back up your claims.? Thruout India I have sat with various gurus who extolled the virtues of sadhana but never mentioned TM. Even at Jyotir Math the shankaracharya's right hand man, Ramananda Saraswati, told me his main sadhana was japa, not TM. Just because you write it , does not make it so. You should take a lie detector test. After reading a number of your posts I believe you will make up anything to justify your point of view and have a great need to be right, truth be damned. Get some help man, for God's sake. And MMY revived TM in its pure form, so Nyah. And apparently so did the thousands of other people who always taught it in it's pure (and fuller) form.
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It was report today on, "Imus in the Morning";
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote:It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out neurologically within the brain. OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe the world in these terms. Either way, its radically different than the high concentration Buddhist meditation findings that Vaj likes to tout here. Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently. This is accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open". And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

 
> > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope? Not 6
> percent, I'll bet.
> >
> 
> If the Pope was offering an non-denominational technique to 
experience
> the impersonal aspect of God, I'm sure alot of people would I 
mean
>  'er 'um, ah, never mind  :)
> 
> JohnY

Hey JohnY,
What exactly would the impersonal aspect of God be to the Catholics?
I thought it was all about the personal aspect of God.
Whether it be Jesus, or Mary, or the many statues of the crucifixion.
I'm not sure whether, the Catholics would want to entertain, such,
A concept, as the impersonal aspect of God.
That would put the 'Control', of the Universe;
Out of their hands- The hands of the mighty chuch;
And all of their semi-ancient Roman structure.
No, JohnY, I don't think the Popa would like this concept at all.
By the way, how's the pizza up there ?

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Holy shit!On Aug 2, 2006, at 7:18 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:It was report today on, "Imus in the Morning"; That a new technique of turning cow manure; Into ethenol, and will make the pan-handle of Texas; The 'Saudi Arabia' of 'Manure to Ethenol' production...                                           to be continued... 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>  
> > > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope? Not 6
> > percent, I'll bet.
> > >
> > 
> > If the Pope was offering an non-denominational technique to 
> experience
> > the impersonal aspect of God, I'm sure alot of people would I 
> mean
> >  'er 'um, ah, never mind  :)
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> Hey JohnY,
> What exactly would the impersonal aspect of God be to the Catholics?
> I thought it was all about the personal aspect of God.
> Whether it be Jesus, or Mary, or the many statues of the crucifixion.
> I'm not sure whether, the Catholics would want to entertain, such,
> A concept, as the impersonal aspect of God.
> That would put the 'Control', of the Universe;
> Out of their hands- The hands of the mighty chuch;
> And all of their semi-ancient Roman structure.
> No, JohnY, I don't think the Popa would like this concept at all.
> By the way, how's the pizza up there ?
> 
> R.G.
>
Robert --> the :) at the end... (It was a weak attempt at humor :) )

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Ya' know:  I was thinking this morning of a good solution to;  This Hezbollah-an problem;  Let's see, they all like to burn Israeli and American Flags;  And they kind of like to commit suicide, at least they have in the past.  And they are kind of fanatical...  And they kind of like death, and find no problem with death;  Their Jihad means fight to the death...death...death.  So,  Why don't we, order a bunch of stuff, through China;  Because we import everything from China anyway;  And what we can send the Hezbollah-ans is:  A suicide bomber belt, an Israel Flag, and American Flag;  And a copy of the cartoon of the Prophet Mohammad.  And a lighter-  Then send them all, to a remote part of the desert, somewhere over there,  And they can all, just blow themselves up..  That's all
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman  
wrote:

> > You should take a lie detector test. After reading a
> > number of your posts I believe you will make up
> > anything to justify your point of view and have a
> > great need to be right, truth be damned.
> > Get some help man, for God's sake.
> 
> Feeling threatened?

Gosh, I thought it was only the True Believers here
who made ad hominem attacks and called into question
the integrity of those with differing points of view.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

2006-08-02 Thread Peter



--- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
> > > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to
> see the Pope? Not 6
> > percent, I'll bet.
> > >
> > 
> > If the Pope was offering an non-denominational
> technique to 
> experience
> > the impersonal aspect of God, I'm sure alot of
> people would I 
> mean
> >  'er 'um, ah, never mind  :)
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> Hey JohnY,
> What exactly would the impersonal aspect of God be
> to the Catholics?
> I thought it was all about the personal aspect of
> God.
> Whether it be Jesus, or Mary, or the many statues of
> the crucifixion.
> I'm not sure whether, the Catholics would want to
> entertain, such,
> A concept, as the impersonal aspect of God.
> That would put the 'Control', of the Universe;
> Out of their hands- The hands of the mighty chuch;
> And all of their semi-ancient Roman structure.
> No, JohnY, I don't think the Popa would like this
> concept at all.
> By the way, how's the pizza up there ?
> 
> R.G.

The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of
God.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Roots of TM

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> Millions have paid to be taught the simple practice of 
> Transcendental Meditation (TM), and as all initiates are required 
> to attend a short puja ceremony celebrated in front of a portrait 
> of Guru Dev, everyone is led to assume that the TM technique comes 
> directly from Guru Dev.

Actually that's not the case.  When I learned
in 1975, it was made quite clear beforehand that
while Guru Dev was the inspiration for TM by
virtue of his profound knowledge, experiential
and intellectual, of the nature and mechanics
of consciousness, it was MMY who came up with
the technique itself.

> Asked if Transcendental Meditation is exactly the same meditation 
> technique as that taught by Guru Dev, the Maharishi answered : -
> M M Y - 'Must be using better techniques than I am using.'
> Questioner - 'Was he still using the long mantras and all of that?'
> M M Y - 'It's very difficult for me to find out what he was using, 
> because initiation is all in private... And I was never interested 
> who was given what mantra; I was interested in myself... Full of 
> divine radiance, people don't have to do the mantra and meditation 
> in his presence. Just, the transformation was in his air, so full 
> of life.'

If, as Paul implies, MMY has attempted to
deceive people about where the technique comes
from, how come MMY in this Q&A is so open about
the fact that it is not what Guru Dev taught?

> So, to those who came to see him, what did 'Guru Dev' Swami 
> Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math actually 
> teach? 
>
> Mysteriously, despite the vast resources of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's 
> many organisations, for years now it has been virtually impossible 
> to find any books or tapes of Guru Dev's teachings anywhere, in 
> India or elsewhere!

If Paul is insinuating that one would have been
expected MMY to expend a major effort to make
Guru Dev's original teaching available, there's
no mystery at all as to why he didn't.  As the
Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Guru Dev taught
in an explicitly sectarian religious (Hindu)
context, whereas MMY teaches TM in a nonsectarian
context, as a tool for development of
consciousness suitable for those of any religion,
or no religion.

The question one might ask is whether MMY's
teaching preserves the essentials of Guru Dev's
teaching about consciousness in the latter
context, but in MMY's own words.

And as Paul goes on to note, fortunately there
are plenty of records available of Guru Dev's
teaching directly from the master himself for
comparison with what MMY teaches, for those who
are interested in pursuing this question.

(Paul has done a great service to those who wish
to make such comparisons by gathering these
records and posting them on his Web site.)

> Fortunately though, some wire-recordings and quite a few 
> transcripts of his satsangs do exist, so it is still possible to 
> fulfil the appeal that 'his elevating discourses may reach the 
> masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad'.

Of course, this appeal of MMY's was made to
an explicitly religious Hindu audience in India
well before MMY had figured out that the best way
to spread Guru Dev's essential teaching around the
globe was to teach its universal aspects in a
nonsectarian context, as noted.

> Introduction to 'The Teachings of Guru Dev - The Roots of TM'
> - Quotations of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
> Compiled by Paul Mason 
> at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Peter wrote: --- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope? Not 6 percent, I'll bet. If the Pope was offering an non-denominational technique to experience the impersonal aspect of God, I'm sure alot of people would I mean 'er 'um, ah, never mind :) JohnY Hey JohnY, What exactly would the impersonal aspect of God be to the Catholics? I thought it was all about the personal aspect of God. Whether it be Jesus, or Mary, or the many statues of the crucifixion. I'm not sure whether, the Catholics would want to entertain, such, A concept, as the impersonal aspect of God. That would put the 'Control', of the Universe; Out of their hands- The hands of the mighty chuch; And all of their semi-ancient Roman structure. No, JohnY, I don't think the Popa would like this concept at all. By the way, how's the pizza up there ? R.G. The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of God. The actual words for "Holy Spirit' in Aramaic/Hebrew is Ruach HaKodesh and it is a form of shakti which makes prophecy possible. In tantric terms it would be the downward descent of shakti once kundalini reaches the crown chakra. This mystery is also concealed in the shape of the Hebrew letter Shin, which looks like a downward moving dove.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> 
> 
> --- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> > > > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to
> > see the Pope? Not 6
> > > percent, I'll bet.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > If the Pope was offering an non-denominational
> > technique to 
> > experience
> > > the impersonal aspect of God, I'm sure alot of
> > people would I 
> > mean
> > >  'er 'um, ah, never mind  :)
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > 
> > Hey JohnY,
> > What exactly would the impersonal aspect of God be
> > to the Catholics?
> > I thought it was all about the personal aspect of
> > God.
> > Whether it be Jesus, or Mary, or the many statues of
> > the crucifixion.
> > I'm not sure whether, the Catholics would want to
> > entertain, such,
> > A concept, as the impersonal aspect of God.
> > That would put the 'Control', of the Universe;
> > Out of their hands- The hands of the mighty chuch;
> > And all of their semi-ancient Roman structure.
> > No, JohnY, I don't think the Popa would like this
> > concept at all.
> > By the way, how's the pizza up there ?
> > 
> > R.G.
> 
> The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of
> God.

Yes, I forgot; It is the Holy Spirit, which is the impersonal aspect 
of God...
So, is there any way to contact or imbibe the Holy Spirit-
In the literature, or through contemplation, or what.
Sometimes, when I get into a jam, I will think: Holy Spirit, be with 
me...
So, I guess, that's an easy thing to do...
But still transcendence remains the thing...
That's where the power of the 'Light' is...
In Beingness...and that is a hard thing to convey,
As Maharishi likes to say;
Without direct experience...

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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Huge Energy Source/Discovered in Texas'

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In a message dated 8/2/06 7:03:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  Holy shit! 
  
  
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It was report 
today on, "Imus in the Morning";
That a new 
technique of turning cow manure;
Into ethenol, 
and will make the pan-handle of Texas;
The 'Saudi 
Arabia' of 'Manure to Ethenol' production...
              
                      
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

  
> >>> If the Pope was offering an non-denominational
> >>>
> >> technique to
> >> experience
> >>
> >>> the impersonal aspect of God, I'm sure alot of
> >>>
> >> people would I
> >> mean
> >>
> >>>  'er 'um, ah, never mind  :)
> >>>
> >>> JohnY
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hey JohnY,
> >> What exactly would the impersonal aspect of God be
> >> to the Catholics?
> >> I thought it was all about the personal aspect of
> >> God.
> >> Whether it be Jesus, or Mary, or the many statues of
> >> the crucifixion.
> >> I'm not sure whether, the Catholics would want to
> >> entertain, such,
> >> A concept, as the impersonal aspect of God.
> >> That would put the 'Control', of the Universe;
> >> Out of their hands- The hands of the mighty chuch;
> >> And all of their semi-ancient Roman structure.
> >> No, JohnY, I don't think the Popa would like this
> >> concept at all.
> >> By the way, how's the pizza up there ?
> >>
> >> R.G.
> >>
> >
> > The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of
> > God.
> 
> The actual words for "Holy Spirit' in Aramaic/Hebrew is Ruach  
> HaKodesh and it is a form of shakti which makes prophecy possible. 
In  
> tantric terms it would be the downward descent of shakti once  
> kundalini reaches the crown chakra. This mystery is also concealed 
in  
> the shape of the Hebrew letter Shin, which looks like a downward  
> moving dove.

Well, that image makes total sense, and goes along with the prayer of 
Jesus:
'Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name, Thy Kingdom 
come, Thy Will be done, on earth, as it is in Heaven...
Give us this day, our daily bread, and forgive our tresspasses, as we 
forgive those that trespass against us;
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil;
For thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, forever, and ever,
Amen.
So, it's bringing Heaven from above, opening the crown chakra;
And bringing the energy of the Holy Spirit, down into the earth...
Om Shri Shakti Namah Om Shri Shivaiyam Namah Om
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of
> God.

Not the Godhead (the "Samhita" of the Trinity)?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:

> > The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of
> > God.
> 
> Yes, I forgot; It is the Holy Spirit, which is the impersonal
> aspect of God...
> So, is there any way to contact or imbibe the Holy Spirit-
> In the literature, or through contemplation, or what.
> Sometimes, when I get into a jam, I will think: Holy Spirit, be 
> with me...

If the Holy Spirit is parallel to what MMY calls the
impersonal God (the Absolute, or Brahman), it would
be metaphysically impossible for it to be "with" you,
because you are It, and It is you, no?

I'm not sure the Holy Spirit *is* parallel to the
impersonal God, but I'm certainly no expert in
Catholicism.

FWIW, in Protestant Christianity--not sure about
Catholic--the Holy Spirit is (among other things)
said to be what enables one to perceive the truth
of Scripture.

I *think* the Holy Spirit would also be parallel to
the Shechinah of Judaism, the divine presence that
dwells within (Shechinah in Hebrew is a feminine noun,
interestingly).

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

 That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> 
> JohnY

Hey John,

The whole setup is a marker's dream.  Put MMY on the tube for a few
hours talking about the "A" in Agni after a long program, and then lay
some product offers on them!  The course is the loss leader.  Other
then herding them in with fear and guilt, it is pretty much timeshare
marketing 101, you nailed it!

I just spent a nice few days at Indian Lake and Big Boulder ski
resort.  What a beautiful area.  Now that I am back in the smoldering
furnace of DC again I really miss those cool mountains.
 



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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine

> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff.  And
seeing 
> > > > as how 
> > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it
> that 
> > > > they'd 
> > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that
many 
> > > > willing 
> > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why even
> > > > > bother to ask? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > JohnY 
> > > > 
> > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > > > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always superior to 
> > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India?
> > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask...
> > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling;
> > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > > > Very Sad!!!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's
and the
> > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000
> > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more
than I
> > > expected
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > 
> > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope? Not 6
> percent, I'll bet.
> >
> 
> That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> 
> JohnY
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Energy Source/Discovered in Texas'

2006-08-02 Thread jim_flanegin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Holy shit!

LOL!
 
> On Aug 2, 2006, at 7:18 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:
> 
> > It was report today on, "Imus in the Morning";
> > That a new technique of turning cow manure;
> > Into ethenol, and will make the pan-handle of Texas;
> > The 'Saudi Arabia' of 'Manure to Ethenol' production...
> >   to be continued...
>







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

On Aug 2, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of God. The actual words for "Holy Spirit' in Aramaic/Hebrew is Ruach HaKodesh and it is a form of shakti which makes prophecy possible. In tantric terms it would be the downward descent of shakti once kundalini reaches the crown chakra. This mystery is also concealed in the shape of the Hebrew letter Shin, which looks like a downward moving dove. Well, that image makes total sense, and goes along with the prayer of Jesus: 'Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, on earth, as it is in Heaven... Give us this day, our daily bread, and forgive our tresspasses, as we forgive those that trespass against us; And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil; For thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, forever, and ever, Amen. So, it's bringing Heaven from above, opening the crown chakra; And bringing the energy of the Holy Spirit, down into the earth... Om Shri Shakti Namah Om Shri Shivaiyam Namah Om Also the "secret" name of Jesus, which is IHVH with "Shin (Sh)" in the middle:IHShVH or Yeheshuah, the Holy Spirit descending into the Four Worlds (of IHVH), HaShem becomes "flesh", and each one of us hopefully.
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[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Solution for Tensions and Anxiety

2006-08-02 Thread surya

Realisation and repeated memorization of the true knowledge is the 
only one solution for this problem. The ignorance is responsible for 
all the anxiety and tensions. One should know that every one has 
climbed the time (Kala), which is the running train. Death is the 
station at which one has to get down. Then every one should face the 
Lord for the enquiry.

After the enquiry one will get either permanent happiness or 
permanent misery. The journey of this train to that station is the 
human life, which is only a fraction of second when it is compared 
to the infinite stream of time set up from the beginning of the 
creation. To think that the life is very long itself is ignorance. 
Every one is sitting in a closed compartment and realisation of the 
truth is the window through which every one should peep to find the 
infinite time stream. Only on such comparison the human life becomes 
a small fraction of a second. When the realization is absent and 
when there is no comparison the lifetime appears to be very long. 
First one should cross this illusion of time. Similarly, the 
illusion of the place. The earth looks very large under the 
ignorance.

But if one realises the infinite space of this universe the entire 
earth is a small fraction of a pinhead. Similarly one gets a 
comfortable seat and sits on it thinking that he is settled in the 
life. Another person is moving in the compartment in search of a 
comfortable seat and according to him he is not settled. But when 
both these people look out through the window, which is realisation 
of truth, then both realise that both are moving. Similarly one 
thinks that his co-passengers are his close relatives and is worried 
about them. But they get down at their respective stations and do 
not remember this fellow at all. Nobody remembers their relatives of 
his previous birth. If one realises that the so-called close 
relatives like parents, wife, children etc., are only the co-
passengers who get down at their stations, he will not have any 
tension or anxiety about them. He does his duties without these two. 
Similarly when one thinks that he is his body itself, he feels that 
diseases damage him. 

But if one realises that this body is only a dramatic dress needed 
for his role in the present drama, he is not worried about the 
damage of the body. He feels that as if his shirt is damaged. During 
the journey in the train one must constantly think about the 
interview and prepare for it. In such case he gets permanent 
happiness after the enquiry even though he is traveling in a 
comfortless third class compartment. If one forgets the interview 
and is attracted by the factors in the closed compartment, he is 
going to get permanent misery even if he travels by a first class 
compartment. 

Thus, something is good according to the ignorant people and that is 
bad according to the realised scholars. This world is full of 
ignorant people and only very few realised scholars are present. 
Therefore the behaviour of a realised soul is criticized and mocked 
by the large public. But all the souls will realise the truth after 
the death when they face the enquiry. But it becomes too late by 
that time and nothing can be rectified. Thus, a realised scholar 
never cares for the public and proceeds in the true path decided by 
the true realisation. Only such true knowledge can remove the 
tensions and anxiety. The path of devotion can make you forget the 
pain temporarily for some time. It cannot remove the pain and 
anxiety on a permanent basis. No other methods like rituals, 
worships, etc., can solve this problem except the frequent 
memorization of the true knowledge. True knowledge is the 
comprehensive outlook of the whole situation i.e., realised by 
looking through the window of the train. Ignorance is the limited 
look inside the closed compartment, which is related to the comforts 
of seats and the bonds of co-passengers.

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami
surya
http://www.universal-spirituality.org





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Energy Source/Discovered in Texas'

2006-08-02 Thread uns_tressor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> It was report today on, "Imus in the Morning";
> That a new technique of turning cow manure;
> Into ethenol, and will make the pan-handle of Texas;
> The 'Saudi Arabia' of 'Manure to Ethenol' production...

Its called "biomass". Google for it. There is someone
in London who is busily trying to ferment grass cuttings
into a weak ethanol solution, and then will distill it
into a fuel for an engine:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,619.0.html
Uns.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

2006-08-02 Thread martyboi

I attended a Catholic mass once. During the sermon the priest said:

"The holy spirit is like water. God, the father, is like ice. And
Jesus, his son, is like slightly melted ice." I immediatly thought of
MMY's H20 analogies (water, vapor, ice)- and wondered if the priest
was a meditator. 

My take, FWIW, is that the holy spirit is a vibration (an unmoved
mover) within the universal consciousness - stillness on the move -
that is manifested when "one's" attention is put on it. In groups, it
manifests more clearly due to collective consciousness effects. As in:
when two or more are gathered in my name "I AM" "present". 

The holy spirit, IMO, is not a noun - an object, but a verb. The
process of silence becoming aware of itself - when small, relative
self splashes into the silence of big, absolute self - and the waves
of nurturing influence spread into creation in a palpable way.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:09 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1"   
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> How about one of you eloquent writers who are in the dome these  
> >> days ask the question
> >> about a foundation in TM TM Siddhis and the inclusion of other  
> >> wisdom teachings in
> >> participants lives. Ask MMY if he wants these avid broadminded  
> >> seekers excluded from the
> >> courses or included to bring up the numbers. There are still 1,000 
> >> +- siddhas in Fairfield
> >> not  in the dome.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Actually, if you look at the brainwave patterns of TM and the TM- 
> > Sidhis compared to virtually
> > every other meditation technique out there, the differences are so  
> > startling and drastic that
> > anyone that choses to practice those other techniques obviously  
> > doesn't get the role that TM/
> > TM-Sidhis are playing. AND, the detrimental effect those techniques  
> > are playing as well.
> 
> Like brainwashing you?
>

Pot, kettle, etc.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2006, at 3:03 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman  
> >  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Re: Ask MMY
> >> Posted by: "sparaig" sparaig@   sparaig
> >> Tue Aug 1, 2006 2:11 pm (PST)
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "blissbunn1"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> How about one of you eloquent writers who are in the
> >>>
> >> dome these days ask the question
> >>
> >>> about a foundation in TM TM Siddhis and the
> >>>
> >> inclusion of other wisdom teachings in
> >>
> >>> participants lives. Ask MMY if he wants these avid
> >>>
> >> broadminded seekers excluded from the
> >>
> >>> courses or included to bring up the numbers. There
> >>>
> >> are still 1,000+- siddhas in Fairfield
> >>
> >>> not in the dome.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Actually, if you look at the brainwave patterns of TM
> >> and the TM-Sidhis compared to virtually
> >> every other meditation technique out there, the
> >> differences are so startling and drastic that
> >> anyone that choses to practice those other techniques
> >> obviously doesn't get the role that TM/
> >> TM-Sidhis are playing. AND, the detrimental effect
> >> those techniques are playing as well.
> >>
> >> Given the insensitivity of such people, its only
> >> politeness that brings the TMO to ban them
> >> without any comment: they're stupid and
> >> counter-evolutionary, but the TMO doesn't say it.
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you actually believe your own bullshit.
> >> What techniques tha t are detrimental are you
> >> referring to?
> >> And what research do you have to back up your claims.?
> >> Thruout India I have sat with various gurus  who
> >> extolled the virtues of sadhana but never mentioned
> >> TM.
> >> Even at Jyotir Math the shankaracharya's right hand
> >> man,
> >> Ramananda Saraswati, told me his main sadhana was
> >> japa,
> >> not TM.
> >> Just because you write it , does not make it so.
> >> You should take a lie detector test. After reading a
> >> number of your posts I believe you will make up
> >> anything to justify your point of view and have a
> >> great need to be right, truth be damned.
> >> Get some help man, for God's sake.
> >>
> >
> > And MMY revived TM in its pure form, so Nyah.
> 
> And apparently so did the thousands of other people who always taught  
> it in it's pure (and fuller) form.
>

So you say. Where's the research?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out  
> > neurologically within the brain.
> > OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe  
> > the world in these terms.
> > Either way, its radically different than the high concentration  
> > Buddhist meditation findings
> > that Vaj likes to tout here.
> 
> Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that  
> uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some  
> previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are  
> able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently.

Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?

 This is  
> accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance  
> between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become  
> totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and  
> simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one  
> can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about  
> 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of  
> meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage  
> from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner  
> and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity  
> consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open".  
> And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from  
> meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support.
>

Where's the research?





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[FairfieldLife] Cartoon

2006-08-02 Thread shempmcgurk




"It was a very bleak period in my life, Louie. Martinis didn't help. Religion didn't help. Psychiatry didn't help. Transcendental meditation didn't help. Yoga didn't help. But Martinis helped a little."

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Diksha teacher ejected from the dome

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Hi, 

Your profile says you are a doctor. MD?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Roots of TM

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
[...]
> > Fortunately though, some wire-recordings and quite a few 
> > transcripts of his satsangs do exist, so it is still possible to 
> > fulfil the appeal that 'his elevating discourses may reach the 
> > masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad'.
> 
> Of course, this appeal of MMY's was made to
> an explicitly religious Hindu audience in India
> well before MMY had figured out that the best way
> to spread Guru Dev's essential teaching around the
> globe was to teach its universal aspects in a
> nonsectarian context, as noted.
> 
> 
> 
> > Introduction to 'The Teachings of Guru Dev - The Roots of TM'
> > - Quotations of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati
> > Compiled by Paul Mason 
> > at http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm
>

It is interesting to note the contents of Dr. Coplin's footnotes:

22. From an interview with the present Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Swami 
Vishnudevananda Saraswati, in Joshimath, June 11, 1983. Cenkner also states 
that 
Maharishi and Swami Shantanand Saraswati, the predecessor of the current 
Shankaracharya, speak of each other as "gurudeva" and verifies that he 
"witnessed Swami 
Shantanand celebrating guru purnima publicly for Maharishi in Delhi." (Cenkner, 
op. cit., p. 
120)

23. In the interview of June 11, 1983, the current Shankaracharya said that 
Maharishi 
accompanied his "gurudeva" wherever he went, and that it is due to "his habit 
of following 
everything of Guru Deva," "his devoted learning," that he has achieved such 
knowledge 
and fame. He used the term "bhavati dhyana yoga" for transcendental meditation.

24. In the interview of June 11, 1983, the Shankaracharya stated that Swami 
Shantanand, 
who had voluntarily stepped down from the seat, had visited Maharishi in 1982 
and 1983 
in Switzerland, Kenya,and China.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
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> > The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of
> > God.
> 
> Not the Godhead (the "Samhita" of the Trinity)?
>

How can samhita be impersonal?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark is happiest place on Earth

2006-08-02 Thread Ingegerd

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> --- 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5224306.stm

And Netherland was number 16 or something?
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[FairfieldLife] Physiology of Alternative States

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All interesting stuff. 

But it leads to the question: is this quieting (shut-down may be too
extreme a pharase) of the thalmus ever seen outside of TM? That is, is
it totally unique to TM? I am asking beyond meditation techniques. For
example, has it ever been observed under influence of pharecuticals,
herbs, heroin, various illnesses, post-extreme exercise, heavy
endorphin conditions, traditional or modern medical procedures, some
sleep patterns, anesthesia, etc. 

I am not challenging you or being argumentative. I am sincerely
curious. Its fascinating to see interesting correlations of physiology
with TM and other techniques. However, if the same thing happens with
some other things -- such as brain coherence with epilepsy - it
provides some sperspective -- and raises a new bundle of research and
philosophical questions. 

> Contrast this with Fred's theory about samadhi: 
> 
> The thalamus is the gateway to about 90% of sensory input into the
brain (almost all 
> visual, auditory and tactile input goes straight through the thalmus
while taste and smell 
> bypasses it) and it acts as a switchboard sending incoming sensory
information from the 
> various senses to the relevant parts of the brain for processing.
Those parts of the brain 
> then send the processed information back to the thalamus which
routes them back 
> through the loop again, modifying the incoming raw sensory input
with the processed 
> input.
> 
> When you sleep, the thalamus tends to shut down, but the rest of the
brain becomes less 
> alert. During samadhi (ala TM) the thalamus tends to shut down, but
the brain remains 
> alert, according to various fMRI and EEG studies. The mind has
"withdrawn its senses like a 
> turtoise withdraws its limbs into its shell" and awareness is left
awake to itself without 
> sensory  input--even the "subtle" sensory input from the
feedback--to modify it.
> 
> This is radically different than what is found during other forms of
meditation,  even/
> especially when "bliss" is reported during them.
> 
> It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out
neurologically within the brain. 
> OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe
the world in these terms. 
> Either way, its radically different than the high concentration
Buddhist meditation findings 
> that Vaj likes to tout here.
> 
> And the TM-Sidhis MERGE this neural behavior with activity, as MMY
says, or so the EEG 
> findings strongly suggest.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush's -Total Commitment To Israel'

Mel / GWB / Oedipus parallels ?


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> Bush's Embrace of Israel Shows Gap With Father 
>   By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
>   Published: August 2, 2006
>  
>   WASHINGTON, Aug. 1  When they first met as United States
president and Israeli prime minister, George W. Bush made clear to
Ariel Sharon he would not follow in the footsteps of his father.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huge Energy Source/Discovered in Texas'

Imus is certainly the premier venue to disclose / "publish" valid
research and analysis.  Damn, he scopped Science, Nature AGAIN!

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> It was report today on, "Imus in the Morning";
> That a new technique of turning cow manure;
> Into ethenol, and will make the pan-handle of Texas;
> The 'Saudi Arabia' of 'Manure to Ethenol' production...
>   to be continued...
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Roots of TM

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
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> > Millions have paid to be taught the simple practice of 
> > Transcendental Meditation (TM), and as all initiates are required 
> > to attend a short puja ceremony celebrated in front of a portrait 
> > of Guru Dev, everyone is led to assume that the TM technique comes 
> > directly from Guru Dev.
> 
> Actually that's not the case.  When I learned
> in 1975, it was made quite clear beforehand that
> while Guru Dev was the inspiration for TM by
> virtue of his profound knowledge, experiential
> and intellectual, of the nature and mechanics
> of consciousness, it was MMY who came up with
> the technique itself.

yes, but you learned from those flakey NY teachers. :)










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

 That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> 
> JohnY

Hey John,

The whole setup is a marker's dream.  Put MMY on the tube for a few
hours talking about the "A" in Agni after a long program, and then lay
some product offers on them!  The course is the loss leader.  Other
then herding them in with fear and guilt, it is pretty much timeshare
marketing 101, you nailed it!

I just spent a nice few days at Indian Lake and Big Boulder ski
resort.  What a beautiful area.  Now that I am back in the smoldering
furnace of DC again I really miss those cool mountains.
 



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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine

> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff.  And
seeing 
> > > > as how 
> > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it
> that 
> > > > they'd 
> > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that
many 
> > > > willing 
> > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why even
> > > > > bother to ask? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > JohnY 
> > > > 
> > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > > > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always superior to 
> > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India?
> > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask...
> > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling;
> > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > > > Very Sad!!!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's
and the
> > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000
> > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more
than I
> > > expected
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > 
> > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope? Not 6
> percent, I'll bet.
> >
> 
> That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> 
> JohnY
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out neurologically within the brain. OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe the world in these terms. Either way, its radically different than the high concentration Buddhist meditation findings that Vaj likes to tout here. Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently. Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy to see the difference. This is accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open". And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support. Where's the research? None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who need that crutch.The direct experience is the important thing.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark is happiest place on Earth

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- 
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5224306.stm
> 
> And Netherland was number 16 or something?
> Ingegerd

And the study simply asked people if they were happy. Some cultures
may be more conservative than others.

Ask TBs in the Domes if they are happy, and its for research, their
answers will go through the roof. As their lives, of some, fall
through the floor.

Economists have long preferred, "revealed preferences" -- studying
actions that demonstrate opinion/beliefs/preferences -- knowing
clearly via research that people often don't say what they really
feel/do. 

Phsychology, sociology etc have their own similar take on this
phenomenon. 

Perhaps, though not necessarily, Danes are more deluded, less in touch
with their real feelings, are more prone to pleasing people, pollsters
and parents, are better deceivers, or love more than others to f*ck
with pollsters.

Looking at alcoholism, domestic violence, suicide rates, hard-drug
addiction (vs use), obesity, etc, melded into a happiness index, would
be a least a good compliment to, if not superior to, verbal reports.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > Where's the research?
> 
> None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who  
> need that crutch.

Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help dismissiveness
actions based on superiority complexes. There IS research on that.)

> The direct experience is the important thing.

Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior
posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning
'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to
overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors,
pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that the human
mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual
experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with
research (not his, but cites).

Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am
going with that. :)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

On Aug 2, 2006, at 12:46 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote: Where's the research? None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who need that crutch. Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help dismissiveness actions based on superiority complexes. There IS research on that.)Not at all, I just find the robotic repetition of "research" as a thought-stopper silly and more an artifact of marketing, conditioning (in this particular case) and obsession. Interesting you didn't see the superior tone in Spairag's orignal question. As if somehow research was important to meditators. Prejudiced? There's LOT'S of research on that. The direct experience is the important thing. Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors, pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that the human mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with research (not his, but cites).Not of course what I meant. Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am going with that. :) Say no more.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Physiology of Alternative States

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> All interesting stuff. 
> 
> But it leads to the question: is this quieting (shut-down may be too
> extreme a pharase) of the thalmus ever seen outside of TM?

My phrasing for sure. Ithink Fred says something more like "reduced activation" 
or 
something... "less active."

http://www.maharishischooliowa.org/news/media/2006_05_travispaper.html

"the brain, the attentional system, are more awake and active than when one is 
just sitting 
with one's eyes closed, while the thalamus, which is the gateway of experience, 
is less 
active."

 That is, is
> it totally unique to TM? I am asking beyond meditation techniques. For
> example, has it ever been observed under influence of pharecuticals,
> herbs, heroin, various illnesses, post-extreme exercise, heavy
> endorphin conditions, traditional or modern medical procedures, some
> sleep patterns, anesthesia, etc. 

Dunno. You do see it during sleep. The difference is that when you're asleep, 
your brain 
isn't alert at all. Would be interesting to see where witnessing sleep comes in 
here.

> 
> I am not challenging you or being argumentative. I am sincerely
> curious. Its fascinating to see interesting correlations of physiology
> with TM and other techniques. However, if the same thing happens with
> some other things -- such as brain coherence with epilepsy - it
> provides some sperspective -- and raises a new bundle of research and
> philosophical questions. 
> 

The EEG coherence with epilespy is quite different, I understand. A quick 
google search on 
EEG coherence epilepsy yielded terms like "spikes, sharp waves and spikewave 
discharges" 
which is different than what the usual meditator EEG looks like, or at least, 
the samples 
they show the public are quite different. ;-)

A quick check of "epilepsy thalamus" suggests that:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=26883

"We know that the cortex communicates with the thalamus continuously, and 
current 
theories suggest that when the 'conversation' gets too loud, seizures can 
occur," said 
Alexander [Georgia, not Alaric]. "We wanted to see if there was a way to calm 
the dialog." 

This has implications for using TM to *treat* epilepsy, I think.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out
> >>> neurologically within the brain.
> >>> OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe
> >>> the world in these terms.
> >>> Either way, its radically different than the high concentration
> >>> Buddhist meditation findings
> >>> that Vaj likes to tout here.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that
> >> uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some
> >> previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are
> >> able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently.
> >>
> >
> > Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?
> 
> Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy  
> to see the difference.
> 

LOL. Ah yes, inner experience > than scientific research. That's a convenient 
excuse. If 
MMY claimed it, you'd be all over him.

> >
> >  This is
> >
> >> accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance
> >> between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become
> >> totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and
> >> simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one
> >> can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about
> >> 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of
> >> meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage
> >> from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner
> >> and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity
> >> consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open".
> >> And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from
> >> meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Where's the research?
> 
> None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who  
> need that crutch.
> 
> The direct experience is the important thing.
>

Of course...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > Where's the research?
> > 
> > None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who  
> > need that crutch.
> 
> Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help dismissiveness
> actions based on superiority complexes. There IS research on that.)
> 
> > The direct experience is the important thing.
> 
> Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior
> posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning
> 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to
> overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors,
> pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that the human
> mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual
> experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with
> research (not his, but cites).
> 
> Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am
> going with that. :)
>

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[FairfieldLife] Disprove that "I Am Lord of the Universe"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2006, at 12:46 PM, new.morning wrote:
> >
> >> The direct experience is the important thing.
> >>
> >
> > Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior
> > posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning
> > 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to
> > overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors,
> > psychoanalytical complexes (can you say "Oedipal"?) that the human
> > mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual
> > experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with
> > research (not his, but cites).

> > Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am
> > going with that. :)
> 
> Say no more.

The larger point being is that people can and do claim all sorts of
experiences. Who is to say they are not true? Who is to say I am not
Lord of the Universe? And how would you rigorously disprove this claim?

Well, research on physiology on alternative states, a rigorous
accounting of potential cognitive and logical errors the claimant is /
has been prone to make, inklings of manifestations of psychological
complexes, etc, can help sort such things out.

If indeed one cares about claims made by others about experiences. Its
enough for some to dwell on their own experiences. Or not dwell. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger



On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote:Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?  Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy   to see the difference.   LOL. Ah yes, inner experience > than scientific research. That's a convenient excuse. If  MMY claimed it, you'd be all over him. Well, if he had a couple thousand years experience at producing fully enlightened Buddhas, I'd take it easy on him.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Disprove that "I Am Lord of the Universe"

On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:16 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 2, 2006, at 12:46 PM, new.morning wrote: The direct experience is the important thing. Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors, psychoanalytical complexes (can you say "Oedipal"?) that the human mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with research (not his, but cites). Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am going with that. :) Say no more. The larger point being is that people can and do claim all sorts of experiences. Who is to say they are not true? Who is to say I am not Lord of the Universe? And how would you rigorously disprove this claim?If there are clear experiential markers in a staged system of progressive meditation practice, the only person you'd be harming would be yourself. If you want to do that, why would you waste your time? If you have an experienced teacher, do you think s/he is going to let you off the hook? Well, research on physiology on alternative states, a rigorous accounting of potential cognitive and logical errors the claimant is / has been prone to make, inklings of manifestations of psychological complexes, etc, can help sort such things out.Cognitive obscurations are present right up to the last three of the arya Bodhisattva stages. However before then one will have developed the razor of Discriminative Awareness, otherwise we're doomed to failure. Therefore developing discrimination is important. I recommend the Grade A ACME Bullshit filter. If indeed one cares about claims made by others about experiences. Its enough for some to dwell on their own experiences. Or not dwell.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> Hey John,
> 
> The whole setup is a marker's dream.  Put MMY on the tube for a few
> hours talking about the "A" in Agni after a long program, and then lay
> some product offers on them!  The course is the loss leader.  Other
> then herding them in with fear and guilt, it is pretty much timeshare
> marketing 101, you nailed it!
> 
> I just spent a nice few days at Indian Lake and Big Boulder ski
> resort.  What a beautiful area.  Now that I am back in the smoldering
> furnace of DC again I really miss those cool mountains.
>  
Call me cynical, but I'll bet the courses turn a profit ...(don't
forget the donors). No problem with the profit, it's the dishonesty
that's the problem.

JohnY
PS Was up at Camelback Waterpark last Sunday :-)

 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"

> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff.  And
> seeing 
> > > > > as how 
> > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it
> > that 
> > > > > they'd 
> > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that
> many 
> > > > > willing 
> > > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it?
Why even
> > > > > > bother to ask? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JohnY 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always
superior to 
> > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India?
> > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask...
> > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling;
> > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > > > > Very Sad!!!
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's
> and the
> > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000
> > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more
> than I
> > > > expected
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope? Not 6
> > percent, I'll bet.
> > >
> > 
> > That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> > 
> > JohnY
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Where's the research?
> > > 
> > > None was necessary, although there's research out there for 
those who  
> > > need that crutch.
> > 
> > Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help 
dismissiveness
> > actions based on superiority complexes. There IS research on 
that.)
> > 
> > > The direct experience is the important thing.
> > 
> > Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior
> > posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all 
functioning
> > 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to
> > overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors,
> > pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that the human
> > mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual
> > experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- 
with
> > research (not his, but cites).
> > 
> > Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so
> > I am going with that. :)
> 
> DDE

*Sri* DDE, to you.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2006, at 12:46 PM, new.morning wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:
> >>
> >>> Where's the research?
> >>
> >> None was necessary, although there's research out there for
> >> those who need that crutch.
> >
> > Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help
> > dismissiveness actions based on superiority complexes. There IS 
> > research on that.)
> 
> Not at all, I just find the robotic repetition of "research" as a  
> thought-stopper silly and more an artifact of marketing, 
> conditioning in this particular case) and obsession. Interesting 
> you didn't see the superior tone in Spairag's orignal question. As 
> if somehow research was important to meditators.

Translation: "I'm feeling kinda inferior because I
don't have any research to back up my claim--since
I usually make a big deal of it if I *do* have it--
so my only option is to turn around and pretend that
presenting research results is a 'thought-stopper'
and not in the least important to meditators.  (Gee,
I hope nobody remembers I said this the next time I
trot out research to back up something I say.)"

> Prejudiced? There's LOT'S of research on that.
> >
> >> The direct experience is the important thing.

"Which is safe, since nobody can ask me to *prove*
direct experience..."

> > Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior
> > posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all 
> > functioning 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous 
> > training to overcome the many potential cognitive and logical 
> > errors, pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that 
> > the human mind is prone to make (particularly in
> > interpreting "spiritual experiences". As Dana will tell you 
> > extensively and in detail -- with research (not his, but cites).
> 
> Not of course what I meant.

"I have no idea what new_morning is talking about
here, so I'll just pretend whatever he was saying
wasn't what I meant."






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Roots of TM

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Mason

And that is still the message at Jyotir Math, a couple of years ago I 
noticed a painted metal signed nailed up above the staircase of the 
main building; 'Dhyaan Bhavateet Karo' 

'Dhyan Bhavateet' is 'Transcendental Meditation'
the words on the sign roughly mean the following:-
Dhyaan = meditation
Bhavateet = beyond feelings
Karo = do



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is interesting to note the contents of Dr. Coplin's footnotes:

> 23. In the interview of June 11, 1983, the current Shankaracharya 
said that Maharishi 
> accompanied his "gurudeva" wherever he went, and that it is due 
to "his habit of following 
> everything of Guru Deva," "his devoted learning," that he has 
achieved such knowledge 
> and fame. He used the term "bhavati dhyana yoga" for transcendental 
meditation.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

You've got the life up there man!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> >  That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> > > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > 
> > Hey John,
> > 
> > The whole setup is a marker's dream.  Put MMY on the tube for a few
> > hours talking about the "A" in Agni after a long program, and then lay
> > some product offers on them!  The course is the loss leader.  Other
> > then herding them in with fear and guilt, it is pretty much timeshare
> > marketing 101, you nailed it!
> > 
> > I just spent a nice few days at Indian Lake and Big Boulder ski
> > resort.  What a beautiful area.  Now that I am back in the smoldering
> > furnace of DC again I really miss those cool mountains.
> >  
> Call me cynical, but I'll bet the courses turn a profit ...(don't
> forget the donors). No problem with the profit, it's the dishonesty
> that's the problem.
> 
> JohnY
> PS Was up at Camelback Waterpark last Sunday :-)
> 
>  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"
> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
>  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff.  And
> > seeing 
> > > > > > as how 
> > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely
is it
> > > that 
> > > > > > they'd 
> > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that
> > many 
> > > > > > willing 
> > > > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it?
> Why even
> > > > > > > bother to ask? 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > JohnY 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always
> superior to 
> > > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India?
> > > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask...
> > > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling;
> > > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > > > > > Very Sad!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's
> > and the
> > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000
> > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more
> > than I
> > > > > expected
> > > > > 
> > > > > JohnY
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope? Not 6
> > > percent, I'll bet.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> > > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I attended a Catholic mass once. During the sermon the priest said:
> 
> "The holy spirit is like water. God, the father, is like ice. And
> Jesus, his son, is like slightly melted ice." I immediatly thought 
of
> MMY's H20 analogies (water, vapor, ice)- and wondered if the priest
> was a meditator. 
> 
> My take, FWIW, is that the holy spirit is a vibration (an unmoved
> mover) within the universal consciousness - stillness on the move -
> that is manifested when "one's" attention is put on it. In groups, 
it
> manifests more clearly due to collective consciousness effects. As 
in:
> when two or more are gathered in my name "I AM" "present". 
> 
> The holy spirit, IMO, is not a noun - an object, but a verb. The
> process of silence becoming aware of itself - when small, relative
> self splashes into the silence of big, absolute self - and the waves
> of nurturing influence spread into creation in a palpable way.

I guess the Holy Spirit in Sanskrit terms could be just the idea of 
prana, or the 'Breath of God'
Or that invisible thing called 'Love';
Like the invisible force called 'Gravity';
Which we are all trying in some small way...
To Overcome (we shall overcome, someday...);
So, the more prana you have;
Or the more Holy Spirit you have;
Or can hold in you container (The Body);
Well, then this is the key to 'Levitation';
Because, as I have heard (thru the grapevine);
That a Catholic Saint, by the name of Teresa of Avila, 
She did appear to 'Levitate';
In the company of many witnesses, in her church;
When experiencing the comfort and 'Bliss';
Of the Holy Spirit;
Flowing thru her;
It filled her with such energy;
That she actually would 'lift up off the ground, quite high;
And quite embarrassed;
As she had little control over;
When this 'Levitation', would all of the sudden, happen...
So, guys and gals;
Keep up the good work;
And hopefully;
We'll all be a 'Levitatin', soon,
Like:
"Back in the Day";
Saint Teresa of Avila,  
Jai Guru Dev

>

>

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[FairfieldLife] 'Prana, Holy Spirit & Levitation...'

I guess the Holy Spirit in Sanskrit terms could be just the idea of 
Prana, or the 'Breath of God'
Or 'Chi';
Or that invisible thing called 'Love';
Like the invisible force called 'Gravity';
Which we are all trying in some small way...
To Overcome (we shall overcome, someday...);
So, the more Prana you [have];
Or the more Holy Spirit you [have];
Or can hold in you container (The Body);
Well, then this is the key to 'Levitation';
Because, as I have heard (thru the grapevine);
That someone, a few years back;
Saint of Teresa of Avila, 
She did appear to 'Levitate';
In the company of many witnesses, in her church;
When experiencing the comfort and 'Bliss';
Of the Holy Spirit;
Flowing thru her;
It filled her with such intense energy;
That she actually would 'lift up off the ground', quite high;
And quite embarrassed;
As she had little control over;
When this 'Levitation', would all of the sudden, happen...
So, guys and gals;
Keep up the good work;
And hopefully;
We'll all be a 'Levitatin', soon,
Like:
"Back in the Day";
Of:
Saint Teresa of Avila,  
Jai Guru Dev









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[FairfieldLife] Think "Nice"

2006-08-02 Thread Bhairitu

Two words: think "nice."  Think a nicer world not a "nasty" one.  If we 
think "nice" it will materialize.  I don't mean mood making as mood 
making accomplishes nothing.  Just have the thought about a nice world 
is sufficient.  It is the goal of what we are trying to achieve either 
by bun hopping or by meditation and yoga. 

If we think "nice" then the atmosphere *will* soften and it will be more 
difficult for evil to achieve anything.  Billionaires will start feeling 
that all that power and wealth isn't worth the trouble and start giving 
their money away (responsibly of course, use Bill Gates as an 
example).   Corporate CEOs will decide that make their mega corporation 
which is probably in trouble anyway is too much to manage and break it 
up into a lot of smaller companies (been done many times).  Religious 
fanatics with their differences will decide that conflict isn't the 
answer and will try to get along.   Tyranists will stop their ways and 
decide power isn't everything they thought it was and will resign.

Now these things would take a lot of people thinking about a "nice" 
world to accomplish but we have to start somewhere.  Maybe the idea will 
snowball.  MMY wants a "nice" world but doesn't exactly make it easy to 
achieve.  We meditators know about ritam and having the idea (a goal) of 
a "nice" world should make it manifest.  I know it is easy to get hung 
up in the drama of the world and certainly discussing the drama doesn't 
necessarily make things worse so again I'm not advocating any mood 
making or ostrichsizing it.  I'm not advocating "don't worry, be happy" 
either, that's mood-making.  Just think "nice."

Jai Ma,
- Bhairitu




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You've got the life up there man!
> 
It's only 100 degrees. (but my house does point the RIGHT way VB :-) )

JohnY


> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >  That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll get to
> > > > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > 
> > > Hey John,
> > > 
> > > The whole setup is a marker's dream.  Put MMY on the tube for a few
> > > hours talking about the "A" in Agni after a long program, and
then lay
> > > some product offers on them!  The course is the loss leader.  Other
> > > then herding them in with fear and guilt, it is pretty much
timeshare
> > > marketing 101, you nailed it!
> > > 
> > > I just spent a nice few days at Indian Lake and Big Boulder ski
> > > resort.  What a beautiful area.  Now that I am back in the
smoldering
> > > furnace of DC again I really miss those cool mountains.
> > >  
> > Call me cynical, but I'll bet the courses turn a profit ...(don't
> > forget the donors). No problem with the profit, it's the dishonesty
> > that's the problem.
> > 
> > JohnY
> > PS Was up at Camelback Waterpark last Sunday :-)
> > 
> >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"
> > 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
> >  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > > 
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff.  And
> > > seeing 
> > > > > > > as how 
> > > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely
> is it
> > > > that 
> > > > > > > they'd 
> > > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be
that
> > > many 
> > > > > > > willing 
> > > > > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it?
> > Why even
> > > > > > > > bother to ask? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > JohnY 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always
> > superior to 
> > > > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India?
> > > > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > > > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > > > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask...
> > > > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling;
> > > > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > > > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > > > > > > Very Sad!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's
> > > and the
> > > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is.
27,000
> > > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually
more
> > > than I
> > > > > > expected
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope?
Not 6
> > > > percent, I'll bet.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll
get to
> > > > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoon

2006-08-02 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
>  [http://www.cartoonbank.com/images/dot_clr.gif] 
> [http://www.cartoonbank.com/images/dot_clr.gif] 
> [http://www.cartoonbank.com/assets/1/38832_m.gif] 
> [http://www.cartoonbank.com/images/dot_clr.gif]
> "It was a very bleak period in my life, Louie. Martinis didn't
> help. Religion didn't help. Psychiatry didn't help.
> Transcendental meditation didn't help. Yoga didn't help. But
> Martinis helped a little."
>


H.

Well, the cartoon appeared in the preview window.  Oh, well: it was 
just a drawing of two guys sitting talking at a bar.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

Just keep that fan Vastu right, pointed right at ya!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > You've got the life up there man!
> > 
> It's only 100 degrees. (but my house does point the RIGHT way VB :-) )
> 
> JohnY
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll
get to
> > > > > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> > > > > 
> > > > > JohnY
> > > > 
> > > > Hey John,
> > > > 
> > > > The whole setup is a marker's dream.  Put MMY on the tube for
a few
> > > > hours talking about the "A" in Agni after a long program, and
> then lay
> > > > some product offers on them!  The course is the loss leader. 
Other
> > > > then herding them in with fear and guilt, it is pretty much
> timeshare
> > > > marketing 101, you nailed it!
> > > > 
> > > > I just spent a nice few days at Indian Lake and Big Boulder ski
> > > > resort.  What a beautiful area.  Now that I am back in the
> smoldering
> > > > furnace of DC again I really miss those cool mountains.
> > > >  
> > > Call me cynical, but I'll bet the courses turn a profit ...(don't
> > > forget the donors). No problem with the profit, it's the dishonesty
> > > that's the problem.
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > > PS Was up at Camelback Waterpark last Sunday :-)
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"

> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"
> > > 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
> > >  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other
stuff.  And
> > > > seeing 
> > > > > > > > as how 
> > > > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely
> > is it
> > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > they'd 
> > > > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be
> that
> > > > many 
> > > > > > > > willing 
> > > > > > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it?
> > > Why even
> > > > > > > > > bother to ask? 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > JohnY 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > > > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > > > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always
> > > superior to 
> > > > > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > > > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in
India?
> > > > > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > > > > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > > > > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask...
> > > > > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such
controlling;
> > > > > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > > > > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > > > > > > > Very Sad!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both
Maharishi's
> > > > and the
> > > > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is.
> 27,000
> > > > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually
> more
> > > > than I
> > > > > > > expected
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics go to see the Pope?
> Not 6
> > > > > percent, I'll bet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's why I said it was more than I expected. Maybe they'll
> get to
> > > > > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like timeshare sales 
> > > > > 
> > > > > JohnY
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY

2006-08-02 Thread Peter

Not only is it hot where I am -but then again it's
almost always hot here- but there's a a hurricain
acomin'! YeeHaw!!

--- curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Just keep that fan Vastu right, pointed right at ya!
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > You've got the life up there man!
> > > 
> > It's only 100 degrees. (but my house does point
> the RIGHT way VB :-) )
> > 
> > JohnY
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "curtisdeltablues"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  That's why I said it was more than I
> expected. Maybe they'll
> get to
> > > > > > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like
> timeshare sales 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hey John,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The whole setup is a marker's dream.  Put
> MMY on the tube for
> a few
> > > > > hours talking about the "A" in Agni after a
> long program, and
> > then lay
> > > > > some product offers on them!  The course is
> the loss leader. 
> Other
> > > > > then herding them in with fear and guilt, it
> is pretty much
> > timeshare
> > > > > marketing 101, you nailed it!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I just spent a nice few days at Indian Lake
> and Big Boulder ski
> > > > > resort.  What a beautiful area.  Now that I
> am back in the
> > smoldering
> > > > > furnace of DC again I really miss those cool
> mountains.
> > > > >  
> > > > Call me cynical, but I'll bet the courses turn
> a profit ...(don't
> > > > forget the donors). No problem with the
> profit, it's the dishonesty
> > > > that's the problem.
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > > PS Was up at Camelback Waterpark last
> Sunday :-)
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jyouells2000" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "sparaig" 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jyouells2000"
> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "Robert Gimbel"
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"
> > > >  
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were
> doing other
> stuff.  And
> > > > > seeing 
> > > > > > > > > as how 
> > > > > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out
> for that, how likely
> > > is it
> > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > they'd 
> > > > > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not
> that there'd even be
> > that
> > > > > many 
> > > > > > > > > willing 
> > > > > > > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi
> would be open about it?
> > > > Why even
> > > > > > > > > > bother to ask? 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > JohnY 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his
> answer;
> > > > > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never
> know...
> > > > > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in:
> "Action is always
> > > > superior to 
> > > > > > > > > inaction", because at least you get
> an answer...
> > > > > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some
> 'Heavy Dudes', in
> India?
> > > > > > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat
> Wala Baba?
> > > > > > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in
> the Dome?
> > > > > > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if
> someone would only ask...
> > > > > > > > > That has been the problem; there
> have been such
> controlling;
> > > > > > > > > People around Maharishi, that they
> intimidate;
> > > > > > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly
> relevant question:
> > > > > > > > > Very Sad!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs
> speak to both
> Maharishi's
> > > > > and the
> > > > > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the
> participation is as it is.
> > 27,000
> > > > > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000
> participating. That's actually
> > more
> > > > > than I
> > > > > > > > expected
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 6% turnout? Not bad. How many Catholics
> go to see the Pope?
> > Not 6
> > > > > > percent, I'll bet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That's why I said it was more than I
> expected. Maybe they'll
> > get to
> > > > > > sell lots of vastu construction. Just like
> timeshare sales 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 911 and the Neocon Agenda Aired on C-SPAN

2006-08-02 Thread Bhairitu

This was also repeated yesterday and Alex Jones made an appeal for 
viewers to contact their favorite radio talk hosts (both right and left) 
to watch the show and have discussion.  I listened to Randi Rhodes 
yesterday and she had watched the C-SPAN online video and was going to 
watch on TV last night.  Ed Schultz also watched and discussed it on his 
show.  He thinks Feltzer is a right-wing plant to discredit 9-11 
inquiries.   Christine Craft who is a Sacramento progressive host has 
been playing the NORAD tapes (what ones she can on the radio) that were 
released.  Of course we saw the  Moussaoui trial evidence released 
yesterday, was this an attempt to distract people from watching the 
C-SPAN show?   If it was it backfired.  And today there is the NORAD 
article in Vanity Fair.   Karl probably busy at the drawing board trying 
to come up with yet another distraction.



Mike Hutchinson wrote:

>Finally, some mainstream coverage:
>
>C-SPAN to Air Historic 9/11 Exposé 
>9/11 + The Neo-Con Agenda Panel Discussion to Run on Saturday, July 
>29th at 8PM (EST)
>
>Infowars | July 27, 2006
>
>C-SPAN has confirmed that their coverage of the 9/11 + The Neo-Con 
>Agenda Panel Discussion will air on C-SPAN 1 on July 29th at 8PM 
>(EST). The panel features incredible presentations by 9/11 Scholars 
>for Truth founder James Fetzer, BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones, 
>President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies Dr. Robert 
>M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret., Filmmaker and Radio Broadcaster Alex 
>Jones, and Terrorism Expert Webster Tarpley.
>
>The appearance of this discussion on the nation's premiere public 
>affairs cable network is an incredible boon to the 9/11 Truth 
>Movement. None of the 9/11 Truth events that C-SPAN has covered in 
>the past are as hard-hitting as the 9/11 + The Neo-Con Agenda 
>program. This panel discussion cuts to the heart of the issue and 
>exposes the events of September 11th, 2001 as a complex premeditated 
>plot carried out by criminal elements within the U.S. Government as a 
>pretext for launching the endless "War on Terror" in which the globe 
>is currently embroiled. C-SPAN's coverage of this pivotal information 
>will bring considerable national attention to the 9/11 Truth 
>Movement. It will also lend further credibility to the Scholars for 
>9/11 Truth, the premiere organization within the movement for peer-
>reviewed scientific research on 9/11 issues. 
>
>MORE INFO 
>If you don't have cable, you can watch online by clicking here 
>
>See the four-camera Infowars coverage of the Panel Discussion right 
>now by becoming a member of Prisonplanet.tv
> 
> 
> 
>Each member of the panel brought their own particular perspective and 
>expertise to the discussion while each maintained throughout their 
>comments that 9/11 was an "inside job."
>
>Alex Jones, a progenitor of the 9/11 Truth Movement introduced the 
>panel and acted as moderator. Professor Steven E. Jones, an expert in 
>Physics, re-capped his vital new research which has conclusively 
>proven that demolition incendiaries were used to bring down World 
>Trade Center and could have only been placed there in advance of 
>9/11. 
>
>As a Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the 
>University of Minnesota and a former Marine Corps officer, James 
>Fetzer cut through the myths surrounding the 9/11 hijackers. Former 
>Air Force Interceptor Pilot Robert Bowman brought up the lack of air 
>defense on the day of 9/11 and shed light on the slough of drills 
>conducted on 9/11 to distract the military and prevent Flights 11 & 
>77 from being shot down. 
>
>Finally Author and Historian Webster Tarpley tied all of the 
>information together to paint a picture of 9/11. He described the 
>drills, Bush's actions and the blow-by-blow details of that fateful 
>day that revealed what could only be called the horrible truth of a 
>conspiracy fact.
>
>It is crucial that everyone see this historic panel discussion on C-
>SPAN. Tell your friends and family, email colleagues, and post links 
>on message boards. This is an incredible step in spreading the truth 
>about 9/11. 
>
>The program will air on C-SPAN 1 at 8PM EST (7PM CST) on Saturday, 
>July 29th and then air again for the West Coast at 11pm EST (10pm 
>CST).
>
>If you don't have cable you can watch online by clicking here:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/45aff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>



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[FairfieldLife] Ask MMY(no, You ask Him?.)('samhita/impersonal')

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
wrote:
> > 
> > > The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of
> > > God.
> > 
> > Not the Godhead (the "Samhita" of the Trinity)?
> >
> 
> How can samhita be impersonal?
It seems like it would be both, personal and impersonal;
The part of it that is universal is impersonal;
And the part of it that is 'refracted' thru you;
Is personal.
So, the whole Jesus metaphor;
Which I believe is misunderstood by the masses thru time...
Is that the soul, or the Holy Spirit, was fully expressed thru him.
And he demonstrated some of the abilities associated with this state 
of consciousness, as Maharishi has tried to do, with the Siddhis, 
etc. and other extraordinary powers...
So, I'm sure, to go back to the Saint Teresa analogy;
When she became engulfed in the energy of the Holy Spirit;
It was enough to lift her up into the air;
So, part of her was lifted up by it.
And part of it was lifted up by it thru her.
Make sense to anyone?
Good...
R.G.
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[FairfieldLife] Reconciling, the TMorg

2006-08-02 Thread dhamiltony2k5

Reconciling the past,

>how likely is it that
> they'd
> > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that many
> willing
> > > to go.)
> > >
> > > Sal

JohnY writes,
The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and 
the
TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000
siddha's ... less than 2000 participating.

Doug writing:
Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US,  with 
some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands 
people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when 
called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974

Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile 
with its people?  It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could 
the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be 
with its meditators? 

Jai Guru Dev,
-Doug in FF

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff.  And 
seeing 
> > as how 
> > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it 
that 
> > they'd 
> > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that 
many 
> > willing 
> > > > to go.)
> > > > 
> > > > Sal
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why 
even
> > > bother to ask? 
> > > 
> > > JohnY 
> > 
> > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always superior to 
> > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India?
> > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask...
> > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling;
> > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > Very Sad!!!
> >
> 
> The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and 
the
> TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000
> siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more 
than I
> expected
> 
> JohnY
>
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[FairfieldLife] Aussie solar tower

2006-08-02 Thread bob_brigante

http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/01/technology/towerofpower0802.biz2/





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reconciling, the TMorg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Reconciling the past,
> 
> >how likely is it that
> > they'd
> > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that many
> > willing
> > > > to go.)
> > > >
> > > > Sal
> 
> 
> JohnY writes,
> The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and 
> the
> TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000
> siddha's ... less than 2000 participating.
> 
> 
> Doug writing:
> Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US,  with 
> some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of thousands 
> people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when 
> called. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974
> 
> 
> Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile 
> with its people?  It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could 
> the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be 
> with its meditators? 
> 
> 
> Jai Guru Dev,
> -Doug in FF
> 
  I'm not sure Doug. As a start, loose the crowns and robes (it didn't
work the first time, historically), stop suing or trying to recertify
the teachers. Start teaching TM for an honest price Stop hiding
all the finances. Stop trying to accumulate property by any means. The
TMO  has lost the good will of so many and become untrustworthy 

JohnY



> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff.  And 
> seeing 
> > > as how 
> > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is it 
> that 
> > > they'd 
> > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that 
> many 
> > > willing 
> > > > > to go.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sal
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? Why 
> even
> > > > bother to ask? 
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY 
> > > 
> > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always superior to 
> > > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India?
> > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask...
> > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling;
> > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > > Very Sad!!!
> > >
> > 
> > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's and 
> the
> > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000
> > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually more 
> than I
> > expected
> > 
> > JohnY
> >
> ,
>







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[FairfieldLife] The Stress Eraser - testimonials

2006-08-02 Thread purushaz

--- 

(small portable biofeedback device synchronized to your breathing.  
Practice for 15 min before going to bed).

costs $300.

Testimonials:

http://stresseraser.com/testimonial

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ask MMY(no, You ask Him?.)('samhita/impersonal')

2006-08-02 Thread purushaz

--But (discussion below regarding St. Theresa of Avila...one of over 
100 levitating Catholic Saints); the commonality among such Christian 
Saints was Jesus and Mary, not the impersonal Absolute. If 
realization of the Self were the sole requirement, then 
impersonalists would automatically be levitators; but we have not 
seen this association.  However, there is a common attribute of the 
levitating Catholic Saints: out of body projection.  In addition, 
(based on my assessment of the biographies of the Saints), few if any 
of the RC Saints seem to be E'd.  (St. John of the Cross could have 
been, judging by descriptions of various states of progressive 
awareness in his autiobiographical works).  He was another levitator 
and a contemporary friend of St. Theresa of Avila.

 My conclusion: levitation is a Siddhi which may or may not occur in 
conjunction with BC; and additional research should be undertaken 
(preferably through one's own experience); to ascertain the precise 
causations behind levitation: so that one can either keep the 
spectacle a secret or package and market it, thus getting rich.
 


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the impersonal aspect of
> > > > God.
> > > 
> > > Not the Godhead (the "Samhita" of the Trinity)?
> > >
> > 
> > How can samhita be impersonal?
> It seems like it would be both, personal and impersonal;
> The part of it that is universal is impersonal;
> And the part of it that is 'refracted' thru you;
> Is personal.
> So, the whole Jesus metaphor;
> Which I believe is misunderstood by the masses thru time...
> Is that the soul, or the Holy Spirit, was fully expressed thru him.
> And he demonstrated some of the abilities associated with this 
state 
> of consciousness, as Maharishi has tried to do, with the Siddhis, 
> etc. and other extraordinary powers...
> So, I'm sure, to go back to the Saint Teresa analogy;
> When she became engulfed in the energy of the Holy Spirit;
> It was enough to lift her up into the air;
> So, part of her was lifted up by it.
> And part of it was lifted up by it thru her.
> Make sense to anyone?
> Good...
> R.G.
> .
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Please Help Achieve 250 Flying [in DC]: Conference Call Thursday Night





Dear Governors and Sidhas, 
We had 150 Yogic Flyers together in program this past weekend, 
and with new registrants coming every day and the participation 
of the local community of Governors and Sidhas, we 
feel we can hit an historic 250 at the Bethesda Peace Palace 
"campus" this weekend . We have constructed 
2 large, air conditioned tents for flying and dining, so there 
is plenty of space to comfortably accommodate everyone as 
we continue to expand our numbers for Washington, DC to 1,000 
Yogic Flyers. 


This course has been extraordinary with Course Participants 
enjoying beautiful, deep, blissful experiences and Maharishi 
connecting everyday to comment on those experiences. "These 
experiences are real, they conform to that word 'self referral,' 
everything in me," Maharishi said today. He added that 
people are "spontaneously and naturally arriving at these 
experiences." 

Raja Dean and I would like to strongly encourage EVERYONE 
to join the course in some form right away -- come for evening 
program, for morning and evening program, or join the course 
and round for a weekend, week, couple of weeks or a month. 
Maharishi also said today to emphasize to everyone that this 
is an "invaluable chance to build up fortune creating 
capabilities and create invincibility for the nation at the 
same time." 


Raja Dean and I will host a conference call tomorrow 
night, Thursday, August 3, at 8:30 PM, to talk about the latest 
course developments and answer any questions you may have. 
To connect to the call: 

Phone #: 512-225-3019 
Code: 60345# 

We look forward to speaking with all of you tomorrow night! 



Jai Guru Dev 

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[FairfieldLife] Experience Meeting Replays

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Experience Meeting Replays Held Every Night

The Invincible America Experience Meetings are replayed every evening at
8:30 pm. These are very precious meetings with Maharishi commenting on the
experiences of course participants in Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City.

If you have an Invincible America Course Badge, then you can come to the
evening meeting.

The live Experience Meetings take place at 12:15 pm every day. Whether you
are full time or part time on the course, you may attend the meetings.  A
lot of beautiful experiences are shared every day. Maybe you would even like
to share some of your experiences in group program during this course with
Maharishi. 

Come and enjoy!

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[FairfieldLife] BREATHTAKING EXPERIENCES!

AUGUST 2: INVINCIBILITY UPDATE

NUMBERS TODAY
Course Applicants: 2511
Course Registrations: 1850*
This morning’s flying totals: 1159*
*All those who have arrived and registered for the Course, please come to the program!

"BREATHTAKING" EXPERIENCES TODAY
"AS THE SIZE OF THE GROUP GETS LARGER
EXPERIENCES WILL BECOME EVEN MORE PROFOUND"
Maharishi delivered today the most exquisite, enlightening commentaries on the most breathtaking, divine experiences of the Course so far.
Experiences of some of the sutras were picture perfect -- in precise accordance with the predictions of Patanjali. And the innocent, profound, compelling expressions of experiences of the sutras and of growing Unity Consciousness by so many moved Maharishi profoundly. One Flyer spoke about the incredibly blissful waves of collective flying that repeatedly swept through the Dome. Maharishi said: "This is what happens in the Dome: A wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective consciousness -- the whole field of unmanifest infinity... This is what you are here for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experiences will become even more profound."
MAHARISHI'S CHALLENGE TO THE MUM/TSR COMMUNITY
However, when Maharishi heard that the number of Yogic Flyers in the Domes and in Maharishi Vedic City is holding at around 1000 to 1100 -- far below the 1700 who have registered and arrived for the Course in Fairfield / MVC, Maharishi expressed concern. He commented that ultimately it is the destiny of the individual and the nation that determines how many come to fly. "But from our side," Maharishi said, "we keep on emphasizing to everyone: here is an invaluable chance to achieve the ultimate in life—and raise the nation to invincibility." Those living in Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City especially should take advantage of the larger number of Yogic Flyers, and give proper importance to the program, taking inspiration from so many who have come from out of town.
So, all Governors and Sidhas, and all business owners and employers in Fairfield / MVC -- just BE IN THE DOMES for at least one long, deep program with the large group in the morning, and one long group program in the afternoon. Do everything you can to achieve this. This is what you moved to Fairfield for! And it is now here -- within our grasp.

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