Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
Edna, ondansetron (generic for Zofran) is a good med for nausea for cats. Your vet will have to give you a Rx for it. Check around at your local pharmacies as cost will vary a lot. Usual dose is 1 mg every 8-12 hrs. That and the pain meds will help make her comfortable. I also fed whatever they wanted from meat baby food to baked salmon. Ondansetron can also be ordered on line with a Rx from http://www.thrivingpets.com/ Hugs to Sophia Sharyl From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] SusieQ
Edna, I apologize for calling SuzieQ Sophia. Hugs to SuzieQ Sharyl From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T
On 10-04, GRAS wrote: Obama ideally wanted single-payer. Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the world, lets it's people go without medical help. Every other first world country has single payer. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] O T Just don't read this if it upsets u.
WELL SAID LEE, AND EVERY WORD YOU WROTE IS THE TRUTH. On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote: I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most. Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican Senate. I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein to grab the money and run. I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars a year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country. Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised. Who the heck ever mentioned businesses? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses. I see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of gibberish regulations. What's wrong with just extending Medicare and Medicaid to everyone? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and adopting the Canadian health care model? Then my friends tell me that we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country. And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 years. I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again. Just my opinion. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products
My vet won't even sell Revolution. She said there are too many problems. Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Advantage is safer than is Revolution for cats, or so my then-vet said. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE APPLICATION POINT. THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE. NOT TOO FOUND OF THAT. VET AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds. The ones who are on the cat die. The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die. The ones who lay eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a product? Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce. But it's probably a good idea to switch products any way. Some are good for treating heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm prevention also, Revolution. I have not had good results with Revolution on fleas although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing infestation of earmites. I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea infestation but I haven't tried it yet. I have Frontline Plus right now and am on my way to treat the little lions, tigers and panthers. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Well I Googled before did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful about dosages. The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid heartworm larvae - Moxidectin Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas from becoming immune to the meds. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt they've changed ingredients. I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog multi that's bad for cats. I found the info online though so I know it's out there. Maybe what I read was wrong though. Find out what ingredient is bad and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and tell him someone told you it was bad for cats. I'd go back and look it up if I had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to audit the books for my company. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats. Regular Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the Multi. Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats. Obviously the cat Multi is okay. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products
Yes the surviving fleas become super fleas and the treatments we now use don't bother them. When they breed their offspring are also super fleas. The same thing is happening with antibiotics. They have been overused and bacteria has become super bacteria that nothing kills! This is really scary!! Lorrie On 10-05, Beth wrote: I guess that is the problem - they are survivng the treatment. They are surviving in droves at my house. I have to flea comb every other day. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good job. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/ immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] President
Not really, you can always find out what's true or not: All you have to do is check on either www.snopes.com (on any floating around rumors, even silly ones), or www.factcheck.org - political, lots already to choose from, and if you don't see what you need, write in the topic on top right, and search. Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Problem is that there are so many rumors floating around in print and cyber space that it makes it hard to discren the truth. Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the Republican health care plan. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SusieQ
If chemotherapy is an option, you could try one dose on the Wisconsin-Madison protocol. my diabetic Danny was dx with lymphoma in his liver, intestines and liver - very fast moving. he was given very poor prognosis, maybe 10% of making a couple months, and could easily die from the chemo since he was so debilitated from the time it took to get a diagnosis. honestly I only tried because it was my sons cat and he begged for one more chance for Danny to fight (he had beaten several life threatening illnesses before). Well don't you know that chemo stomped the crap out of that cancer and literally the day after the chemo, Danny was like a new cat and came home and ate like crazy... this was the day I thought I would be letting him go. I was actually furious with the ER vet because I called and was told he could come home and I thought they didn't even know which horribly sick cat was mine. That was 5.5 years who and Danny is still cancer free. (He did complete the 26 week protocol) The point is, sometimes you get lucky. One dose of chemo will let you know if chemo is going to work, statistically. Those that respond well to the first dose tend to do very well; those that don't respond, don't do well. So you could stop after the first chemo if it didn't help. Another thing to try either way is agaricus blazei from Atlasworldusa.com. this is given to all cancer patients by Dr Alice villalobos who is one of the nations top feline cancer specialists (Google villalobos immunonutrition). It is low cost and Danny's weekly bloodwork proved without a doubt that it greatly increased his white blood cell count during chemo. By the way do not let the liver damage overly scare you. The liver can heal itself, regenerate. Denamarin works great. Danny's went from very damaged per bloodwork to normal in a month. Best wishes whatever you decide. Kg From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T Just don't read this if it upsets u.
AMEN LEE!!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: WELL SAID LEE, AND EVERY WORD YOU WROTE IS THE TRUTH. On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote: I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most. Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican Senate. I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein to grab the money and run. I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars a year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country. Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised. Who the heck ever mentioned businesses? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses. I see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of gibberish regulations. What's wrong with just extending Medicare and Medicaid to everyone? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and adopting the Canadian health care model? Then my friends tell me that we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country. And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 years. I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again. Just my opinion. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products
Same thing happened to one of my cats with Revolution. But his fur did not come back white. It eventually grew back to his normal color. By the way, Interceptor is a pill for both dogs cats. I will no longer give topical applications for treatment. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:51:30 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE APPLICATION POINT. THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE. NOT TOO FOUND OF THAT. VET AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds. The ones who are on the cat die. The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die. The ones who lay eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a product? Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce. But it's probably a good idea to switch products any way. Some are good for treating heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm prevention also, Revolution. I have not had good results with Revolution on fleas although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing infestation of earmites. I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea infestation but I haven't tried it yet. I have Frontline Plus right now and am on my way to treat the little lions, tigers and panthers. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Well I Googled before did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful about dosages. The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid heartworm larvae - Moxidectin Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas from becoming immune to the meds. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt they've changed ingredients. I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog multi that's bad for cats. I found the info online though so I know it's out there. Maybe what I read was wrong though. Find out what ingredient is bad and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and tell him someone told you it was bad for cats. I'd go back and look it up if I had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to audit the books for my company. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats. Regular Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the Multi. Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats. Obviously the cat Multi is okay. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
It's true about declawing...people NEVER knew how awful it was, they thought it's like a manicure! Vets who suggest it are in it to make money, that's all! Most of them, I can guarantee, have no idea (or don't care to know) about side effects, emotional and physical. 1) people abandon declawed cats because of urinating outside the litter box, 2) cats become totally unpredictable/bite, and 3) going into deep depression. So, when people tell me that their cats were absolutely normal, how would they know that? What is normal? I've had a few declawed rescues - each one, without fail, peed everywhere. I had to get piddle pants for them! One would bite for absolutely no reason (that I saw), but he had a good reason! Yes, there are some cats that seem not to be affected, at least outwardly, and people even allow them to go outside, which it the worst thing to do. A friend declawed her two cats when she adopted a baby. Both cats bit the baby really hard when their tails or ears were pulled, and guess what happened to the cats? -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) But isn't it the different opinions and even judgementalism that sparks new ideas, makes people think? No, we should not get nasty, but especially declawing, that is so detrimental to the cat. Isn't it better to find a solution for the clawing on furniture, find out why the cat is doing it. Then we can corrrect the situation. One thing I have learned thru the years is that most BAD cat behavior is caused by their people's actions or lack of understanding. Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: I think yall misunderstand. I don't care about off topic posts and we used to talk about everything under the sun. It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has been creeping in for a long, long time. Declawing I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2 parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian. Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument, which is kind of my point about judgement. And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord. More judgement. I hate fighting and judging. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.) I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected.** ** Cindy** *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley S *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. *** * On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Lee Evans *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products
Definitely; my vet said that cats had convulsions from Revolution – it treats so many things, contains more poisons! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Advantage is safer than is Revolution for cats, or so my then-vet said. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE APPLICATION POINT. THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE. NOT TOO FOUND OF THAT. VET AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds. The ones who are on the cat die. The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die. The ones who lay eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a product? Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce. But it's probably a good idea to switch products any way. Some are good for treating heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm prevention also, Revolution. I have not had good results with Revolution on fleas although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing infestation of earmites. I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea infestation but I haven't tried it yet. I have Frontline Plus right now and am on my way to treat the little lions, tigers and panthers. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Well I Googled before did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful about dosages. The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid heartworm larvae - Moxidectin Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas from becoming immune to the meds. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] NY - Does Anyone know of a CAT SANCTUARY FOR: Feline Leukumia kitties?
Any advice for this rescue person? Natalie Hi, please contact wellbeing...@gmail.com http://mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com if you have the info. From: wellbeing...@gmail.com wellbeing...@gmail.com Subject: Re: FeLeuk Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 11:45 PM We have a darling kitten,who's been beautifully fostered and about to be placed in a fabulous home; was diagnosed with FeLV today. Do any of you have any sanctuaries or homes which could take this sweet kitty? Please let us know. Many thanks! Ms. Gregg Mayer Certified Integrative Yoga Therapist 500 Hr. RYT Kripalu Yoga Instructor Certified Pilates Instructor www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/ ~ All Sentient Beings, Inc. (Animal Rescue, Information Clearinghouse) All Sentient Beings, Inc. is a registered 501 (c)(3) nonprofit organization in the United States ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T
My mother-in-law is in Sweden, at 94 1/2, she lives alone, gets someone coming in 6 times a day, bring her 3 meals, help her up, get to bed, etc. clean her place. It costs $200/month. Yes, they paid into it all their lives, but she'll never go bankrupt or be subjected to a horrible place when time comes to move to a nursing home. Father-in-law had a sunny private room, great care for $10/day! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] O T On 10-04, GRAS wrote: Obama ideally wanted single-payer. Yes, and it is shameful that America, supposedly the greatest county in the world, lets it's people go without medical help. Every other first world country has single payer. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products
That's what happened to cockroaches - they survived since the Ice Age, and requires more lethal stuff to kill them -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Yes the surviving fleas become super fleas and the treatments we now use don't bother them. When they breed their offspring are also super fleas. The same thing is happening with antibiotics. They have been overused and bacteria has become super bacteria that nothing kills! This is really scary!! Lorrie On 10-05, Beth wrote: I guess that is the problem - they are survivng the treatment. They are surviving in droves at my house. I have to flea comb every other day. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
I wouldn't do it, and if by law, you have to give them rabies vaccines, try to get a waiver from your veterinarian. It's not good to bombard compromised immune systems with all those vaccines. I would say, maybe the initial series of FVRCP, which technically should protect them for life (not that they say though!). -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
I wonder if you should try to get a tubal ligation instead, as a recent study indicates that longevity is tied to keeping the ovaries: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html I'd avoid the vaxes, as the immune system is already wonked. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.
I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a wet cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from the book Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.
When you get a message is too long notice from the moderator, it means that you sent the entire thread of conversation, maybe 10 or more of everyone elses messages along with your two lines. When you click on Reply and write your message, remember to scroll down and delete all but the message you are answering. Also delete all the junk that Yahoo adds. I once sent such a long thread through the email tool to a client at the website I work that it crashed our email. Boss was so angry he wrote in upper case to me for the rest of the week. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 2:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG. I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a wet cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from the book Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a bring your own bottle basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products
I thought Interceptor was only for dogs and that they haven't developed the cat type yet. Could you email us the ingredients of the cat type? I'm very interested because when I'm treating for fleas in the late fall and winter, I have to wait to be sure there will be 3 days in a row without rain. My outside cats think they are Gene Kelly, bouncing around to a tune in their head, Singing in the Rain. And it's so much easier to give a pill in a spoonful of ice cream then climb walls and run across the ceiling chasing after that last cat who does not want his dose of Frontline Plus. In addition, it's almost impossible to treat my house ferals. I managed to treat one of them on occasion and the one treated turned around and treated me to a 5 long scratch on my arm. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: longhornf...@verizon.net longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Same thing happened to one of my cats with Revolution. But his fur did not come back white. It eventually grew back to his normal color. By the way, Interceptor is a pill for both dogs cats. I will no longer give topical applications for treatment. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:51:30 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE APPLICATION POINT. THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE. NOT TOO FOUND OF THAT. VET AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds. The ones who are on the cat die. The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die. The ones who lay eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a product? Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce. But it's probably a good idea to switch products any way. Some are good for treating heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm prevention also, Revolution. I have not had good results with Revolution on fleas although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing infestation of earmites. I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea infestation but I haven't tried it yet. I have Frontline Plus right now and am on my way to treat the little lions, tigers and panthers. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Well I Googled before did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful about dosages. The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid heartworm larvae - Moxidectin Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas from becoming immune to the meds. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt they've changed ingredients. I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog multi that's bad for cats. I found the info online though so I know it's out there. Maybe what I read was wrong though. Find out what ingredient is bad and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and tell him someone told you it was bad for cats. I'd go back and look it up if I had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to audit the books for my company. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday,
Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.
You have to erase a lot of stuff - previous messages! It happens all the time because we've all been adding our 2 cents! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG. I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a wet cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from the book Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then it's the friendly little nematodes! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a bring your own bottle basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Tubal ligations are even dangerous in human females. They can open up, get infected, cause blockages, even lead to tubal pregnancies although I don't know exactly how that would happen. I worked in a medical office for 12 years and tubals never seemed to work as advertised. Most women complained of pain long afterwards, cramping, even bleeding. In addition, tubal ligation does nothing to protect from breast cancer. Cats are very prone to mammary cancer so spaying would be the best prevention for that terrible menace to cat health. One of my cats had been diagnosed as borderline diabetic. Since Cookie was going to be an indoor-only cat, the vet recommended leaving her intact, not spaying. She was an older cat, went into heat about 3 times in my house and then gave it up as a bad idea. But she still had her hormone glands intact. About 5 years after I took her in, I noticed that her belly fur was wet and clumpy and that her nipples had turned dark brown. Her appetite was also failing and she actually was allowing me to touch her, she was so weak. I took her to the vet. He diagnosed multiple tumors in her mammary glands. Hormones are NOT the fountain of youth for a cat. They do nothing for the immune system that good care, good food and good supplements can't do. In addition, tubal ligation would do nothing to relieve the cat from the distress of going into heat when breeding season comes around. That's very stressful especially when the cat is not going to be bred. Same with vasectomy for a male cat. You would have a howling, spraying cat pacing around the house or running out to bite and fight although he could not make a female pregnant. Sometimes vasectomies reverse themselves so the cat might end up being fertile after all. It happens in humans quite often. In cats, it still exposes them to the dangers of mating, including contracting FIV and FeLv. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations I wonder if you should try to get a tubal ligation instead, as a recent study indicates that longevity is tied to keeping the ovaries: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html I'd avoid the vaxes, as the immune system is already wonked. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation:
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
You can definitely get waiver for some medical issues or immunodeficiency. For rabies, if you can't get a waiver, insist on the purevax brand which is non-adjuvanted. It has less irritating ingredients, making it far less likely to cause cancer etc. kg On Saturday, October 6, 2012, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___it costs more but would be very wise Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
Do you use nematodes inside your house? I thought they are just for the yard, need soil and water to do their thing. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas….just that once, then it’s the friendly little nematodes! From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a bring your own bottle basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SusieQ
This is what I love about this group. the sharing of all kinds of info. Its info to keep and check out if the situation ever comes up. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of KG BarnCats Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SusieQ If chemotherapy is an option, you could try one dose on the Wisconsin-Madison protocol. my diabetic Danny was dx with lymphoma in his liver, intestines and liver - very fast moving. he was given very poor prognosis, maybe 10% of making a couple months, and could easily die from the chemo since he was so debilitated from the time it took to get a diagnosis. honestly I only tried because it was my sons cat and he begged for one more chance for Danny to fight (he had beaten several life threatening illnesses before). Well don't you know that chemo stomped the crap out of that cancer and literally the day after the chemo, Danny was like a new cat and came home and ate like crazy... this was the day I thought I would be letting him go. I was actually furious with the ER vet because I called and was told he could come home and I thought they didn't even know which horribly sick cat was mine. That was 5.5 years who and Danny is still cancer free. (He did complete the 26 week protocol) The point is, sometimes you get lucky. One dose of chemo will let you know if chemo is going to work, statistically. Those that respond well to the first dose tend to do very well; those that don't respond, don't do well. So you could stop after the first chemo if it didn't help. Another thing to try either way is agaricus blazei from Atlasworldusa.com. this is given to all cancer patients by Dr Alice villalobos who is one of the nations top feline cancer specialists (Google villalobos immunonutrition). It is low cost and Danny's weekly bloodwork proved without a doubt that it greatly increased his white blood cell count during chemo. By the way do not let the liver damage overly scare you. The liver can heal itself, regenerate. Denamarin works great. Danny's went from very damaged per bloodwork to normal in a month. Best wishes whatever you decide. Kg From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] President
And for any kind of info, I always try to go to the original links to read the stuff for myself. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Importance: High Not really, you can always find out what's true or not: All you have to do is check on either www.snopes.com (on any floating around rumors, even silly ones), or www.factcheck.org - political, lots already to choose from, and if you don't see what you need, write in the topic on top right, and search. Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Problem is that there are so many rumors floating around in print and cyber space that it makes it hard to discren the truth. Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: We probably should not. But it is in fact true, although it got taken off the table fairly early when the Dems realized it would never fly in that political atmosphere. So what we have is a slight improvement on the Republican health care plan. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
All around the house on the grass and under their outdoor enclosures. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Do you use nematodes inside your house? I thought they are just for the yard, need soil and water to do their thing. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas….just that once, then it’s the friendly little nematodes! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a bring your own bottle basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products
I've been using Revolution on my 13 house rescues for a yr now with no problems. Age ranges from kittens to 19 yr old. I like that there is a size for under 5 lbs for my kittens. It really depends on the cat. Sharyl From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Definitely; my vet said that cats had convulsions from Revolution – it treats so many things, contains more poisons! From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products Advantage is safer than is Revolution for cats, or so my then-vet said. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE APPLICATION POINT. THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE. NOT TOO FOUND OF THAT. VET AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Also, if female cats continually go into heat but not bred they can develop a very dangerous condition. It's called pyrometra something or another. Long time ago since my friend's cat got it so I'm not positive about the name. But it causes a very serious infection and can kill them if not caught. Her cat had to have an emergency spay and the vet had to basically scrape her insides to clean out all the infection. Very painful for the cat. Cats are reproductively different than us so maybe that's why. They do not drop their egg until they are stimulated (sex). It may be that's why the male's penis has the barbs on it - to stimulate the female to drop the egg, thereby almost 100% guaranteeing fertilization. Yes, I read too much. Anyway, so if she's not getting booty then what happens to the egg? I don't remember what I read about that but I think that's part of why they can develop this condition/infection. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Date: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:05 pm Tubal ligations are even dangerous in human females. They can open up, get infected, cause blockages, even lead to tubal pregnancies although I don't know exactly how that would happen. I worked in a medical office for 12 years and tubals never seemed to work as advertised. Most women complained of pain long afterwards, cramping, even bleeding. In addition, tubal ligation does nothing to protect from breast cancer. Cats are very prone to mammary cancer so spaying would be the best prevention for that terrible menace to cat health. One of my cats had been diagnosed as borderline diabetic. Since Cookie was going to be an indoor-only cat, the vet recommended leaving her intact, not spaying. She was an older cat, went into heat about 3 times in my house and then gave it up as a bad idea. But she still had her hormone glands intact. About 5 years after I took her in, I noticed that her belly fur was wet and clumpy and that her nipples had turned dark brown. Her appetite was also failing and she actually was allowing me to touch her, she was so weak. I took her to the vet. He diagnosed multiple tumors in her mammary glands. Hormones are NOT the fountain of youth for a cat. They do nothing for the immune system that good care, good food and good supplements can't do. In addition, tubal ligation would do nothing to relieve the cat from the distress of going into heat when breeding season comes around. That's very stressful especially when the cat is not going to be bred. Same with vasectomy for a male cat. You would have a howling, spraying cat pacing around the house or running out to bite and fight although he could not make a female pregnant. Sometimes vasectomies reverse themselves so the cat might end up being fertile after all. It happens in humans quite often. In cats, it still exposes them to the dangers of mating, including contracting FIV and FeLv. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.
Understand. Thanks.cathyy Sent via my Samsung Transform™ Ultra from Boost Mobile Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: When you get a message is too long notice from the moderator, it means that you sent the entire thread of conversation, maybe 10 or more of everyone elses messages along with your two lines. When you click on Reply and write your message, remember to scroll down and delete all but the message you are answering. Also delete all the junk that Yahoo adds. I once sent such a long thread through the email tool to a client at the website I work that it crashed our email. Boss was so angry he wrote in upper case to me for the rest of the week. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 2:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG. I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a wet cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from the book Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
I am surprised this list got so off topic. A few years ago, this wouldn't be allowed to happen. I have very strong political opinions, and very strong opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers. I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she has been listened to, but I did not. For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK experience. So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped by this list over the last week or two whatsoever. Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate. I don't feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored. Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to expect.It's shame to loose this resource. My 2 cents. Janine From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good job. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
