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My only problem is that I feed the birds on my deck (actually a piece of gutter nailed to the outside of the railing. did this because coons, etc kept stealing my feeders) and possum eat one seed and poop 2 times, leaving ilttle oval shapped droppings all over the place. If I could just teach them to eat on the deck and poop somewhere else. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Since we have cat condos in the garage, I leave it open when the weather is nice, for airing out. One night, after I closed the door, I noticed a huge “mother of all possums”, in the garage near the cat condos. Didn’t want to budge. I coaxed him, offered goodies, he just looked at me and sort-of hissed. Lots of sharp little teeth! I finally put a large trap in front of him, gingerly pushed him in with a snow shovel, and carried him/her out. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION The added benefit of possums is that since they are marsupials, they are not carriers of rabies! They are simply weird looking. I saw my first possum about 10 years ago. We mutually scared each other out of our skins. Then we tip-toed back around the corner of the house and stared at each other for a while. We both decided that the other was just strange looking but not dangerous and from then on they had a place at my backyard feeding station. _ From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more fascinating(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more fascinating(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The added benefit of possums is that since they are marsupials, they are not carriers of rabies! They are simply weird looking. I saw my first possum about 10 years ago. We mutually scared each other out of our skins. Then we tip-toed back around the corner of the house and stared at each other for a while. We both decided that the other was just strange looking but not dangerous and from then on they had a place at my backyard feeding station. From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more fascinating(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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Since we have cat condos in the garage, I leave it open when the weather is nice, for airing out. One night, after I closed the door, I noticed a huge “mother of all possums”, in the garage near the cat condos. Didn’t want to budge. I coaxed him, offered goodies, he just looked at me and sort-of hissed. Lots of sharp little teeth! I finally put a large trap in front of him, gingerly pushed him in with a snow shovel, and carried him/her out. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION The added benefit of possums is that since they are marsupials, they are not carriers of rabies! They are simply weird looking. I saw my first possum about 10 years ago. We mutually scared each other out of our skins. Then we tip-toed back around the corner of the house and stared at each other for a while. We both decided that the other was just strange looking but not dangerous and from then on they had a place at my backyard feeding station. _ From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more fascinating(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification
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Yeah, right - they definitely must be taking a bath! How can they get the water so dirty? Even just one raccoon makes a mess of the water. They are cute though. I was tossing little bits of a banana to one once and after the banana was gone he slowly walked up to me then bent over and sniffed my shoe and then walked away. I was scared he might bite me but I was too curious about what he was going to do to move. But, they can be a problem too when they're tearing things up and eating the cat's food and you feed 50 ferals a day and don't have money to feed them too. Just read that the babies leave the home range after a certain age. So that's why they disappear. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:57:27 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply CC: molvey...@hotmail.com I was going to say that the coons will just carry off the feeder and break it open at their convenience. I loose a lot of suet feeders that way. My outside water bowls are always dirty in the AM. One has to wash their food before eating it. I think they also take a bath before eating. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top of my car. I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one night. When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little raccoon paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag. I didn't see any major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered if it was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away. Cat paw prints are different. My suggestion - give up. You can't beat the raccoons. Or the opposums for that matter. They climb trees too. I leave extra food out when I have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed the raccoons, opposums and cats. I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm not rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths in GA. I'm wondering if raccoons are transient though. Like I read on an opposum website that they don't plant roots. They may stick around a few days but then they move on. I have a feeling raccoons do that also. I need to google it. Right now at one of my feral locations there are no raccoons coming around at night. But at times I know there are because all the food is gone and the water is dirty. Plus I've seen them there when I go by at night. But for the last couple of months when I show up the next day the cats have dry food left from the day before and the water is clean. And at my house I also will sometimes see a mama and babies. But a month or two later I'm only seeing one or two raccoons coming around, not the mama and four babies. Where did they go? My friend that only has a couple cats at one feeding station uses one of those food containers with a timer on it. She feeds a certain amount in an open bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night one side of the container opens with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am the other side opens. That way the cats have food during the night. But the timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a big colony. Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they would carry that off too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800 From: khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios
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On 05-31, Maureen Olvey wrote: My suggestion - give up. You can't beat the raccoons. Raccoons are clever little beasties and they can figure out just about anything. I'm surprised your friend's feeder is still there. I had one carried off and they also carried off the feed bowls and a screamer that I paid $60. for and was supposed to scare off raccoons! My solution is to feed my ferals early in the morning when raccoons are not out. They are nocturnal. They can climb trees but they cannot jump very high. I've heard of people in my other group using a platform on a metal pole. The cats can jump 4 or 5 feet high but not the raccoons. I'd be concerned about this however, because old cats or an injured feral couldn't jump that high either. So early morning feeding has worked best for me. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Wow. That's amazing! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply You have them figured out ! The old timers around here say a coon can get into or out of anything. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I can give you first hand information on how raccoons get where they want to go. I was sitting on my deck out here in the middle of nowhere, watching my cats eat their kibble when I heard scrabbling in one of the trees. The brave cats took off for under the house and I assumed that Batman and Robin had landed. Then a giant mama raccoon and four puff ball kits came sauntering over the branches of the tree, plopped down on the deck and waddled over to the feed bowl. They cleaned it in a matter of minutes, looked at me, sauntered back to the wooden railing on the deck, climbed up, jumped onto the large tree branch and were gone into the night with a maximum of scrabbling again and a flutter of twigs and leaves. So that should clear up any doubt about how raccoons get around. They even get on top of my roof from time to time and I know they can't fly. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole but that's as far as the raccoon could climb. It had one of those metal sheets that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there. Wondering about this. Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and ice on top of that smaller house. Dotty From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats. Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station. I got some donated dog food that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food. I don't think there's any way of stopping them. They are so cute, especially the little puff ball kids. Expensive too. As they grew enormous, one of them would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands. Scary! I heard that raccoons like fruit. Maybe get some donated fruit and nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, you are right. I think the raccoon has moved on and are probably transient. I don't see him running around the area anymore. There seems to be food in the bin now. And you are right. They left the water bowls empty and dirty. BUT, now the cats still don't seem to want to eat the dry food b/c they can still smell the raccoon even though I believe it is gone. The cats just kind of peer into the bin and sniff and walk away! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply I was going to say that the coons will just carry off the feeder and break it open at their convenience. I loose a lot of suet feeders that way. My outside water bowls are always dirty in the AM. One has to wash their food before eating it. I think they also take a bath before eating. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top of my car. I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one night. When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little raccoon paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag. I didn't see any major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered if it was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away. Cat paw prints are different. My suggestion - give up. You can't beat the raccoons. Or the opposums for that matter. They climb trees too. I leave extra food out when I have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed the raccoons, opposums and cats. I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm not rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths in GA. I'm wondering if raccoons are transient though. Like I read on an opposum website that they don't plant roots. They may stick around a few days but then they move on. I have a feeling raccoons do that also. I need to google it. Right now at one of my feral locations there are no raccoons coming around at night. But at times I know there are because all the food is gone and the water is dirty. Plus I've seen them there when I go by at night. But for the last couple of months when I show up the next day the cats have dry food left from the day before and the water is clean. And at my house I also will sometimes see a mama and babies. But a month or two later I'm only seeing one or two raccoons coming around, not the mama and four babies. Where did they go? My friend that only has a couple cats at one feeding station uses one of those food containers with a timer on it. She feeds a certain amount in an open bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night one side of the container opens with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am the other side opens. That way the cats have food during the night. But the timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a big colony. Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they would carry that off too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800 From: khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing
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Don't worry - I have no intention of trapping and relocating the raccoon. It could have babies. And I have my hands full with the cats so i don't need more work!!! l.o.l. From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply Please don’t trap this time of year, they could still have babies somewhere…and depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of wildlife (as in CT). From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From:MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From:Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I actually had a baby opossum that somehow got into my house. My cats just sat there and looked at it like it was an alien. The opossum paid no attention to the cats. My dog keeps them off the porch where some of the ferals feed. She hates opossums. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have a raccoon that thinks he's a cat! The mom cat comes to eat in the mornings when I open my back patio door, the cat comes running then the raccoon comes running! lol Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I actually had a baby opossum that somehow got into my house. My cats just sat there and looked at it like it was an alien. The opossum paid no attention to the cats. My dog keeps them off the porch where some of the ferals feed. She hates opossums. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for everyone's advice. I need to leave the dry food there at all times because I feed the cats meat during the day and pick up the plates so as not to leave food around. The dry food in the station is there so that the cats have something to munch on all day long as well as if they get hungry later or the next morning in case I can't make it there to feed them that day. I have tried feeding the cats only the meat once a day and they are too hungry the next day. They need some kind of staple food. Dotty From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity
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Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole but that's as far as the raccoon could climb. It had one of those metal sheets that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there. Wondering about this. Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and ice on top of that smaller house. Dotty From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats. Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station. I got some donated dog food that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food. I don't think there's any way of stopping them. They are so cute, especially the little puff ball kids. Expensive too. As they grew enormous, one of them would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands. Scary! I heard that raccoons like fruit. Maybe get some donated fruit and nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon? From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed
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Coons climb and jump. Evidence: Hunters tree coons; they eat bird eggs; they get on top of garbage cans and open them etc. Google it. On May 31, 2012, at 6:44 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My neighbor puts out moth balls to keep raccoons possums away, but cats probably don't like the smell, either. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Please don’t trap this time of year, they could still have babies somewhere…and depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of wildlife (as in CT). ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *dot winkler *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply ** ** Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty ** ** -- *From:* MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply ** ** Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks ** ** -- *From:* Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION ** ** A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ** ** ** ** ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Well, I can give you first hand information on how raccoons get where they want to go. I was sitting on my deck out here in the middle of nowhere, watching my cats eat their kibble when I heard scrabbling in one of the trees. The brave cats took off for under the house and I assumed that Batman and Robin had landed. Then a giant mama raccoon and four puff ball kits came sauntering over the branches of the tree, plopped down on the deck and waddled over to the feed bowl. They cleaned it in a matter of minutes, looked at me, sauntered back to the wooden railing on the deck, climbed up, jumped onto the large tree branch and were gone into the night with a maximum of scrabbling again and a flutter of twigs and leaves. So that should clear up any doubt about how raccoons get around. They even get on top of my roof from time to time and I know they can't fly. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole but that's as far as the raccoon could climb. It had one of those metal sheets that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there. Wondering about this. Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and ice on top of that smaller house. Dotty From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats. Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station. I got some donated dog food that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food. I don't think there's any way of stopping them. They are so cute, especially the little puff ball kids. Expensive too. As they grew enormous, one of them would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands. Scary! I heard that raccoons like fruit. Maybe get some donated fruit and nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon?___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They don't and they contain a poison. On May 31, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Martha Walton wrote: My neighbor puts out moth balls to keep raccoons possums away, but cats probably don't like the smell, either. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Please don’t trap this time of year, they could still have babies somewhere…and depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of wildlife (as in CT). From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty -- *From:* MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks -- *From:* Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life: http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top of my car. I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one night. When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little raccoon paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag. I didn't see any major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered if it was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away. Cat paw prints are different. My suggestion - give up. You can't beat the raccoons. Or the opposums for that matter. They climb trees too. I leave extra food out when I have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed the raccoons, opposums and cats. I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm not rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths in GA. I'm wondering if raccoons are transient though. Like I read on an opposum website that they don't plant roots. They may stick around a few days but then they move on. I have a feeling raccoons do that also. I need to google it. Right now at one of my feral locations there are no raccoons coming around at night. But at times I know there are because all the food is gone and the water is dirty. Plus I've seen them there when I go by at night. But for the last couple of months when I show up the next day the cats have dry food left from the day before and the water is clean. And at my house I also will sometimes see a mama and babies. But a month or two later I'm only seeing one or two raccoons coming around, not the mama and four babies. Where did they go? My friend that only has a couple cats at one feeding station uses one of those food containers with a timer on it. She feeds a certain amount in an open bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night one side of the container opens with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am the other side opens. That way the cats have food during the night. But the timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a big colony. Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they would carry that off too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800 From: khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life: http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal
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I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is cat, dog and raccoon proof. Also no seeums proof. It cost $108.00 per roll (which is a large roll). I will try to dig out the info and send it to you. I was planning on fencing in my deck for days when I have to leave early and get back late. At least they would be able to get outside. Harley especially is a real pain when he can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving the others crazy (this will make me give in and let him out). I don't want to leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I would not get back in time to take them to the vet. I know, crazy, but I don't want to loose any of them because of stupidity. dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong
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I just put up a lot of chain link panels so my guys could safely spend time outside. The area is big enough that I go out and read, work on the computer etc too. The panels are less than half the cost of installed fencing. I am considering chicken wire to screen in the porch. Ceiling fans will take care of insects and cats will have a hard time wrecking the wire. Just thoughts. On May 31, 2012, at 10:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is cat, dog and raccoon proof. Also no seeums proof. It cost $108.00 per roll (which is a large roll). I will try to dig out the info and send it to you. I was planning on fencing in my deck for days when I have to leave early and get back late. At least they would be able to get outside. Harley especially is a real pain when he can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving the others crazy (this will make me give in and let him out). I don't want to leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I would not get back in time to take them to the vet. I know, crazy, but I don't want to loose any of them because of stupidity. dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you
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I have an outside enclosure built around a fairly large wooden shed (the type you get at Home Depot or other undo-it-yourself places). I also have the same wire fencing enclosing the porch of a small cottage type building (one large room, no plumbing) that the former owners used for crafts projects. I use it for my FIV+ cat sanctuary. They love going out on the porch and watching the enormous peacock who comes to eat cat food every evening on the deck of my mobile home. When I get some money (never? ever?) I'm going to enclose the deck with the same gauge wire fencing. The peacock will have to eat near the garage when that happens. I want my main community of cats who are inside the house right now to have access to the lovely scenery outside - birds, crickets as large as rats (gasp!), and all sorts of moths and other weird flying things. It will also free up some space in my house for ME! How selfish of me. I'll call the guy who built the enclosures for me and ask him what type of fencing he used, the gauge and what it is called (not chicken wire or chain link, I know that). I'll post here so those of you who want to make a safe outside enclosure for your fur kids will have some info on options. From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION I just put up a lot of chain link panels so my guys could safely spend time outside. The area is big enough that I go out and read, work on the computer etc too. The panels are less than half the cost of installed fencing. I am considering chicken wire to screen in the porch. Ceiling fans will take care of insects and cats will have a hard time wrecking the wire. Just thoughts. On May 31, 2012, at 10:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is cat, dog and raccoon proof. Also no seeums proof. It cost $108.00 per roll (which is a large roll). I will try to dig out the info and send it to you. I was planning on fencing in my deck for days when I have to leave early and get back late. At least they would be able to get outside. Harley especially is a real pain when he can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving the others crazy (this will make me give in and let him out). I don't want to leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I would not get back in time to take them to the vet. I know, crazy, but I don't want to loose any of them because of stupidity.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My raccoons will eat anything they can het hold of. one year I goofed and used a fertilizer on my house plants that was made from crab meal. They dug up every plant I had and 1 even sat on my begonias while it dug up a foot tall barrel cactur - 3 times. Course, they never found the crabs. They did this because the river was up and they could not get to the crawfish on the riverbank. NEVER USE FISH TYPE FERTILIZER! Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats. Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station. I got some donated dog food that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food. I don't think there's any way of stopping them. They are so cute, especially the little puff ball kids. Expensive too. As they grew enormous, one of them would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands. Scary! I heard that raccoons like fruit. Maybe get some donated fruit and nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon? From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those
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cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. On May 29, 2012, at 10:16 AM, MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com wrote: They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end
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Why are they so hungry? don't they get any mice to supplement the meat you give them? dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for everyone's advice. I need to leave the dry food there at all times because I feed the cats meat during the day and pick up the plates so as not to leave food around. The dry food in the station is there so that the cats have something to munch on all day long as well as if they get hungry later or the next morning in case I can't make it there to feed them that day. I have tried feeding the cats only the meat once a day and they are too hungry the next day. They need some kind of staple food. Dotty From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces
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You have them figured out ! The old timers around here say a coon can get into or out of anything. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I can give you first hand information on how raccoons get where they want to go. I was sitting on my deck out here in the middle of nowhere, watching my cats eat their kibble when I heard scrabbling in one of the trees. The brave cats took off for under the house and I assumed that Batman and Robin had landed. Then a giant mama raccoon and four puff ball kits came sauntering over the branches of the tree, plopped down on the deck and waddled over to the feed bowl. They cleaned it in a matter of minutes, looked at me, sauntered back to the wooden railing on the deck, climbed up, jumped onto the large tree branch and were gone into the night with a maximum of scrabbling again and a flutter of twigs and leaves. So that should clear up any doubt about how raccoons get around. They even get on top of my roof from time to time and I know they can't fly. From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole but that's as far as the raccoon could climb. It had one of those metal sheets that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there. Wondering about this. Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and ice on top of that smaller house. Dotty From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats. Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station. I got some donated dog food that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food. I don't think there's any way of stopping them. They are so cute, especially the little puff ball kids. Expensive too. As they grew enormous, one of them would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands. Scary! I heard that raccoons like fruit. Maybe get some donated fruit and nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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MY EXPERIENCE - chicken wire doesn't stop them, unless you make it real looseso they can't get up so easy. Just a thought. Anyone watch My Cat From Hell on animal planet? Funny, it always seems to be the owner's fault the cats are misbehaving. One owner only changed the litterbox ONCE EVERY 2 WEEKS! i DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE HERE, BUT THAT WOULD DRIVE ME BONKERS! Cats also like high places so they can survey the scenery. I have lots of high perches, but got some wood to make some more so my little ones (6lbs) can walk around the room without being taunted by the larger ones. Anyway, he said that if you put up a fence with several strands of wire at a 45 degree angle at thwe top, a cat will not try to climb because it thinks it can't. It actually worked with 1 cat. MAYBE it would work with the coons also. Come to think of it, it might also keep them out of my vegies and flowers. They have been making a shambles out of the garden, along with a family of ground hogs, deer, rabbits and a determined turrtle that munched his way thru a bed of portulaca. Took 3 tries, but I finaly carried him about half a mile down the road to a tender patch of weeds and so far he has not come back./ MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I just put up a lot of chain link panels so my guys could safely spend time outside. The area is big enough that I go out and read, work on the computer etc too. The panels are less than half the cost of installed fencing. I am considering chicken wire to screen in the porch. Ceiling fans will take care of insects and cats will have a hard time wrecking the wire. Just thoughts. On May 31, 2012, at 10:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is cat, dog and raccoon proof. Also no seeums proof. It cost $108.00 per roll (which is a large roll). I will try to dig out the info and send it to you. I was planning on fencing in my deck for days when I have to leave early and get back late. At least they would be able to get outside. Harley especially is a real pain when he can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving the others crazy (this will make me give in and let him out). I don't want to leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I would not get back in time to take them to the vet. I know, crazy, but I don't want to loose any of them because of stupidity. dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating
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I was going to say that the coons will just carry off the feeder and break it open at their convenience. I loose a lot of suet feeders that way. My outside water bowls are always dirty in the AM. One has to wash their food before eating it. I think they also take a bath before eating. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top of my car. I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one night. When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little raccoon paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag. I didn't see any major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered if it was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away. Cat paw prints are different. My suggestion - give up. You can't beat the raccoons. Or the opposums for that matter. They climb trees too. I leave extra food out when I have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed the raccoons, opposums and cats. I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm not rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths in GA. I'm wondering if raccoons are transient though. Like I read on an opposum website that they don't plant roots. They may stick around a few days but then they move on. I have a feeling raccoons do that also. I need to google it. Right now at one of my feral locations there are no raccoons coming around at night. But at times I know there are because all the food is gone and the water is dirty. Plus I've seen them there when I go by at night. But for the last couple of months when I show up the next day the cats have dry food left from the day before and the water is clean. And at my house I also will sometimes see a mama and babies. But a month or two later I'm only seeing one or two raccoons coming around, not the mama and four babies. Where did they go? My friend that only has a couple cats at one feeding station uses one of those food containers with a timer on it. She feeds a certain amount in an open bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night one side of the container opens with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am the other side opens. That way the cats have food during the night. But the timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a big colony. Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they would carry that off too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800 From: khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know him. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing
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I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals
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The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats. Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station. I got some donated dog food that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food. I don't think there's any way of stopping them. They are so cute, especially the little puff ball kids. Expensive too. As they grew enormous, one of them would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands. Scary! I heard that raccoons like fruit. Maybe get some donated fruit and nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon? From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012
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Dotty, If you would allow me to, I can put out an alert asking for an answer to this dilemma, listing you as the contact– there are quite a few NJ people on the list. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ _ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain _ From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain _ From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my
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They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only
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I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. On May 29, 2012, at 10:16 AM, MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com wrote: They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I
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RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know him. Sent from
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A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
