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So very sorry Patricia – your love kept Nori going probably longer than she would have had. Ardy From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away. As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says it is fip. I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, with sun bath and love. I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori. Thank you very much. Patrícia Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu: We’re all pulling for Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. Ardy From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu: Patricia I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the rosy gingiva. Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets recovered. I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
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Dear Patricia, I am so sorry about Nori dying. She was a very lucky girl to have had you to help her at the end of her life. Sadly, - Lorraine . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away. As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says it is fip. I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, with sun bath and love. I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori. Thank you very much. Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry! ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira wrote: > Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there > after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. > > Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). > > I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. > > When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary > arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. > > Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed > away. > > As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians > says it is fip. > > I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her > home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more > day at home, with sun bath and love. > > I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for > Nori. > > Thank you very much. > > > Patrícia > > Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > >> We’re all pulling for Nori. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of *Ardy >> Robertson >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + >> >> >> >> Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Amani >> Oakley >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + >> >> >> >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. >> >> >> >> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats >> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some >> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal >> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. >> >> >> >> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. >> >> >> >> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of >> *Patricia >> Oliveira >> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + >> >> >> >> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives >> external heating too. >> >> >> >> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart >> rate several times a day. >> >> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with >> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley >> escreveu: >> >> Patricia >> >> >> >> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good >> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news >> on the rosy gingiva. >> >> >> >> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a >> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as >> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack >> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is >> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now >> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). >> >> >> >> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is &g
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Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away. As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says it is fip. I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, with sun bath and love. I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori. Thank you very much. Patrícia Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley escreveu: > We’re all pulling for Nori. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of *Ardy > Robertson > *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her > in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone > combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking > such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. > > Ardy > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Amani > Oakley > *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous > fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it > makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV > fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much > to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. > > > > I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats > whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some > extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > > > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. > > > > I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives > external heating too. > > > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart > rate several times a day. > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with > fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. > > > > > > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Patricia > > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good > news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news > on the rosy gingiva. > > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a > bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as > a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack > of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is > consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now > other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). > > > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely > why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the > transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. > > > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on > the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that > with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the > platelets recovered. > > > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. > > > > I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is > working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to > recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and > medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis > could help you now, and one would expect the neurologi
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We’re all pulling for Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. Ardy From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Patricia I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the rosy gingiva. Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets recovered. I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening. I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM To: Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Thank you, Sandra :) I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every day. She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low. Her blo
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Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. Ardy From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu: Patricia I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the rosy gingiva. Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets recovered. I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening. I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM To: Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net> >; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Thank you, Sandra :) I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every day. She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low. Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know? Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are
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Awesome news!!! > On June 9, 2019 at 2:09 PM Patricia Oliveira wrote: > > Hi! > > I have experience with subqs. > > Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was > there. She is more active and attentive to what happens. > > Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as > if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even > malnutrition. > > Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. > > Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she > has nothing more. > > Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :) > > Thank you! > > Patrícia > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu: > > > > > > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her > > subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. > > However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they > > are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it > > wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or > > colder. > > > > > > > > I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats > > whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some > > extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > > > > > > > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. > > > > > > > > I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. > > > > > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira > > Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > > > > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. > > Receives external heating too. > > > > > > > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and > > heart rate several times a day. > > > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even > > with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure > > > it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. > > > Very good news on the rosy gingiva. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears > > > to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking > > > to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that > > > the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that > > > presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means > > > anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit > > > with her own cells). > > > > > > > > > > > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so > > > that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately > > > after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. > > > > > > > > > > > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and > > > the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I > > > seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover > > > first, before the platelets recovered. > > > > > > > > > > > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body > > > temperature up. > > > > >
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That is great news about Nori! ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:10 PM Patricia Oliveira wrote: > Hi! > > I have experience with subqs. > > Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was > there. She is more active and attentive to what happens. > > Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if > she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even > malnutrition. > > Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. > > Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has > nothing more. > > Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :) > > Thank you! > > Patrícia > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. >> >> >> >> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats >> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some >> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal >> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. >> >> >> >> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. >> >> >> >> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of >> *Patricia >> Oliveira >> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + >> >> >> >> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives >> external heating too. >> >> >> >> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart >> rate several times a day. >> >> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with >> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley >> escreveu: >> >> Patricia >> >> >> >> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good >> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news >> on the rosy gingiva. >> >> >> >> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a >> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as >> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack >> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is >> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now >> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). >> >> >> >> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is >> likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the >> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. >> >> >> >> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on >> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that >> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the >> platelets recovered. >> >> >> >> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. >> >> >> >> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She >> is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time >> to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and >> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis >> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a >> difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the >> stuff happening. >> >> >> >> I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with >> you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might >> consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most >> stro
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Excellent news about Nori! - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 2:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi! I have experience with subqs. Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was there. She is more active and attentive to what happens. Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even malnutrition. Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has nothing more. Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :) Thank you! Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi! I have experience with subqs. Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was there. She is more active and attentive to what happens. Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even malnutrition. Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has nothing more. Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :) Thank you! Patrícia Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley escreveu: > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous > fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it > makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV > fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much > to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. > > > > I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats > whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some > extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > > > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. > > > > I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives > external heating too. > > > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart > rate several times a day. > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with > fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. > > > > > > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Patricia > > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good > news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news > on the rosy gingiva. > > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a > bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as > a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack > of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is > consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now > other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). > > > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely > why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the > transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. > > > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on > the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that > with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the > platelets recovered. > > > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. > > > > I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is > working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to > recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and > medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis > could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a > difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the > stuff happening. > > > > I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with > you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might > consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most > strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit > and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM > *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter ; > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Thank you, Sandra :) > > > > I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there > every day. > > > > She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a > low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is > lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass
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One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Patricia I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the rosy gingiva. Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets recovered. I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening. I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM To: Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Thank you, Sandra :) I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every day. She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low. Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know? Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets for the first time (92.000). Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok. Thank you! Patrícia Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>> escreveu: Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help. Good luck - don't give up!! Sandt W On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>> wrote: Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started another medication for nausea, although she does not
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She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Patricia > > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good > news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news > on the rosy gingiva. > > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a > bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as > a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack > of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is > consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now > other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). > > > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely > why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the > transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. > > > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on > the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that > with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the > platelets recovered. > > > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. > > > > I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is > working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to > recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and > medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis > could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a > difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the > stuff happening. > > > > I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with > you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might > consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most > strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit > and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM > *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter ; > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Thank you, Sandra :) > > > > I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there > every day. > > > > She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a > low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is > lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. > > > > Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some > hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a > possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was > really low. > > > > Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think > red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to > know? > > > > Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low > platelets for the first time (92.000). > > > > Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Patrícia > > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter < > swacht1...@comcast.net> escreveu: > > Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a > copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help. > > Good luck - don't give up!! > > Sandt W > > > > On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira > wrote: > > Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They > started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they > think that may be why she does not eat. > > > > Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says > it can be from leukemia. > > > > The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( > > > > i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. > > > > thank you! > > > > Patrícia > > > > > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@
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Patricia I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the rosy gingiva. Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets recovered. I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening. I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM To: Sandra Wachtstetter ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Thank you, Sandra :) I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every day. She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low. Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know? Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets for the first time (92.000). Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok. Thank you! Patrícia Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>> escreveu: Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help. Good luck - don't give up!! Sandt W On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>> wrote: Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may be why she does not eat. Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can be from leukemia. The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. thank you! Patrícia Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds. Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi, Amani Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital. I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would prevent hemolysis. I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last one. I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will be possible. Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged heart. Thank you! Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
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Thank you, Sandra :) I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every day. She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low. Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know? Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets for the first time (92.000). Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok. Thank you! Patrícia Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter < swacht1...@comcast.net> escreveu: > Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a > copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help. > > Good luck - don't give up!! > > Sandt W > > > On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira > wrote: > > Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They > started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they > think that may be why she does not eat. > > Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says > it can be from leukemia. > > The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( > > i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. > > thank you! > > Patrícia > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu: > > Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds. > > > > Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani > > > > Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital. > > > > I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone > would prevent hemolysis. > > > > I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared > right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma > on last one. > > > > I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it > will be possible. > > > > Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged > heart. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Hi Patricia > > > > The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though > I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would > cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it > is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back > to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage > to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower > heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, > rather than anything else going on. > > > > It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a > higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another > explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as > an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a > reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or > the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct > bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab > results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. > The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the > total amount. > > > > I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue > the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there > was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, > period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized > on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for > close to two years. > > > > I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood > transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cell
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I have never heard of this “bizarre core” reference to neutrophils. It may be a term you guys use in your country but I cannot even guess what the equivalent might be here. It certainly sounds like Nori had a bit of a transfusion reaction this time. Hopefully, it will pass and she’ll feel better soon. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 7, 2019 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may be why she does not eat. Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can be from leukemia. The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. thank you! Patrícia Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds. Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi, Amani Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital. I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would prevent hemolysis. I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last one. I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will be possible. Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged heart. Thank you! Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Hi Patricia The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else going on. It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the total amount. I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years. I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing. However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi, Amani! Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again. But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, isn't it? About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the morning, it was done only hem
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Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help. Good luck - don't give up!! Sandt W > On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira wrote: > > Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They > started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they > think that may be why she does not eat. > > Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says > it can be from leukemia. > > The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( > > i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. > > thank you! > > Patrícia > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu: > > > > > > Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with > > the meds. > > > > > > > > Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show. > > > > > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira > > Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > > > > > Hi, Amani > > > > > > > > Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital. > > > > > > > > I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of > > prednisolone would prevent hemolysis. > > > > > > > > I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be > > cleared right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric > > plasma on last one. > > > > > > > > I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know > > if it will be possible. > > > > > > > > Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an > > enlarged heart. > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver > > > enzymes, though I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which > > > would be what would cause the icteric observation of the plasma). > > > However, hang in there. If it is the Stanozolol, my experience is that > > > the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, shortly after it is > > > discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. For now, what > > > you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems more > > > likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else > > > going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, > > > there is a higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would > > > be another explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will > > > also show as an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be > > > caused by a reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the > > > indirect or the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break > > > down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver > > > function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and > > > Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the > > > direct amount from the total amount. > > > > > > > > > > > > I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to > > > discontinue the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic > > > was that there was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat > > > would die, period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver > > > enzymes no
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may be why she does not eat. Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can be from leukemia. The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. thank you! Patrícia Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds. > > > > Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani > > > > Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital. > > > > I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone > would prevent hemolysis. > > > > I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared > right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma > on last one. > > > > I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it > will be possible. > > > > Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged > heart. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Hi Patricia > > > > The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though > I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would > cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it > is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back > to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage > to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower > heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, > rather than anything else going on. > > > > It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a > higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another > explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as > an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a > reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or > the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct > bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab > results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. > The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the > total amount. > > > > I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue > the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there > was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, > period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized > on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for > close to two years. > > > > I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood > transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – > and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that > the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only > boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted > in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing. > > > > However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood > work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani! > > > > Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. > > > > Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit > went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself > again. > > > > But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being > destroyed, isn't it? > > > > About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and > heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. > In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete b
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Hi, Patricia, I’ve asked fiv-healthscience members using RetroMad1 for FeLV cats to contact me if it’s okay to pass their email addresses along to you. In the meantime, this is what fiv-healthscience website manager Joel Kehler has written about RetroMad1: http://www.fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm#RetroMAD1%20(IV) Best regards, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Hi, Lorraine Yes, she was and test was negative. But she is receiving doxy for it, anyway. I´d like the contacts about RetroMad, please! Thank you! Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.
Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
Amani
From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani
Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would
prevent hemolysis.
I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last
one.
I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will
be possible.
Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
heart.
Thank you!
Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia
The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal,
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver.
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else
going on.
It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion,
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion)
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting
the direct amount from the total amount.
I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own,
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.
I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the
viruses from properly reproducing.
However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work,
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
Amani
From: Felvtalk
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani!
Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.
But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed,
isn't it?
About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
i am worried again.
Thank you,
Patrícia
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture.
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier
where I explain why.
Amani
From: Felvtalk
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Lorraine
Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.
Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
:(
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston
mailto:johnston1...
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Lorraine Yes, she was and test was negative. But she is receiving doxy for it, anyway. I´d like the contacts about RetroMad, please! Thank you! Patrícia Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:28, Lorraine Johnston < johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu: > Patricia, > > > > Has Nori been tested for mycoplasma? That can cause a sometimes fatal > anemia and is treated (usually) with doxycycline. > > > > > http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/help-clients-stay-optimistic-when-felv-results-are-positive > > > > Also, some members of the FIV-Healthscience discussion group are having > very good luck with the broad antiviral RetroMad1 (RM1), from Malaysia, for > their FeLV cats. If you want a few contacts to discuss this drug with, let > me know and I’ll pass them along. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > - Lorraine > > > > "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the > things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > Hi, Amani! > > > > Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. > > > > Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit > went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself > again. > > > > But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being > destroyed, isn't it? > > > > About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and > heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. > In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work. > > > > i am worried again. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Patrícia > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani
Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would
prevent hemolysis.
I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on
last one.
I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it
will be possible.
Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
heart.
Thank you!
Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley
escreveu:
> Hi Patricia
>
>
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
>
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> close to two years.
>
>
>
> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
> transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion –
> and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that
> the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only
> boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted
> in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing.
>
>
>
> However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood
> work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
>
>
>
> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> again.
>
>
>
> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> destroyed, isn't it?
>
>
>
> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
>
>
>
> i am worried again.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley
> escreveu:
>
> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> my earlier where I explain why.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Lorraine
>
>
>
> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> not mycoplasma.
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
>
>
>
> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking h
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Patricia, Has Nori been tested for mycoplasma? That can cause a sometimes fatal anemia and is treated (usually) with doxycycline. http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/help-clients-stay-optimistic-when-felv-results-are-positive Also, some members of the FIV-Healthscience discussion group are having very good luck with the broad antiviral RetroMad1 (RM1), from Malaysia, for their FeLV cats. If you want a few contacts to discuss this drug with, let me know and I’ll pass them along. Best regards, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Hi, Amani! Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again. But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, isn't it? About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work. i am worried again. Thank you, Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi Patricia
The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal,
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver.
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else
going on.
It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion,
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion)
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting
the direct amount from the total amount.
I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own,
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.
I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the
viruses from properly reproducing.
However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work,
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
Amani
From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani!
Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.
But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed,
isn't it?
About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
i am worried again.
Thank you,
Patrícia
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture.
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier
where I explain why.
Amani
From: Felvtalk
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Lorraine
Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.
Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
:(
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,
I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin. Stanozolol is
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
- Lorraine
"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no
one can imagine." - Alan Turing
From: Felvtalk
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi,
We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be us
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani!
Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
again.
But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
destroyed, isn't it?
About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
i am worried again.
Thank you,
Patrícia
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley
escreveu:
> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> my earlier where I explain why.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Lorraine
>
>
>
> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> not mycoplasma.
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
>
>
>
> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
>
>
>
> :(
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
> johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:
>
> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin. Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://ca
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture.
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier
where I explain why.
Amani
From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Lorraine
Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.
Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
:(
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,
I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin. Stanozolol is
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
- Lorraine
"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no
one can imagine." - Alan Turing
From: Felvtalk
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi,
We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
stanozolol?
Thank you,
Patrícia
Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime),
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the
weight back on.
I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
Amani
From: Felvtalk
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani!
Thanky you very much for you email!
Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.
Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy,
for example?
This is Nori:
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
Thank you!
Patrícia
Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.
Amani
From: Felvtalk
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi from Brazil,
I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty w
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
I don’t know if erythropoietin can be used with Stanozolol, but I don’t see why not. However, I am not sure that erythropoetin will help. Not to bore everyone silly again with this explanation, but erythropoietin stimulates the bone marrow to make more red cells. However, the bone marrow which is damaged by the FeLV virus, cannot respond to the signals being sent by the erythropoietin and is unable to make more red cells. The Stanozolol works on the bone marrow itself to produce new bone marrow cells, and thus, enable the new cells to produce red cells again. So no, the Stanozolol doesn’t increase erythropoietin. If it is going to work, it seems to work directly on the bone marrow, and especially on the progenitor cells in the bone marrow which produce the red cells. Are you giving the stanozolol with the Doxycycline and prednisone? If it were me, I would proceed with the blood transfusion, and double up the Stanozolol. I don’t know what level you’re giving. 1 mg twice daily or 2 mg twice daily. Try increasing the strength. Athletes take stanozolol at 1000X recommended dosing and rarely suffer any side effects. The other thing to be aware of in interpreting your blood results is this. The life span of red cells is about 45 days if I remember correctly, so you will have a falling off of the haematocrit as the red cells from the last transfusion die off. Look to see what the reticulocyte count is, and what it is now compared to a previous blood result. However, even that result may also be affected by the transfusion, so I am not sure if you would see the true numbers or see the transfused cells instead. In other words, the dropping of the haematocrit may be more about the natural dying off of the last batch of red cells, rather than whether there is any effect yet of the meds. Nonetheless, to be on the safe side, if you are worried, go ahead with the transfusion. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 4, 2019 6:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi, We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :( She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her. I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now. Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with stanozolol? Thank you, Patrícia Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together. You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the weight back on. I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi, Amani! Thanky you very much for you email! Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one. Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today. Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, for example? This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A> Thank you! Patrícia Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, ad
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Lorraine
Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.
Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
:(
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:
> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin. Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley
> escreveu:
>
> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hema
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Patricia, I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin. Stanozolol is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then. - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi, We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :( She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her. I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now. Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with stanozolol? Thank you, Patrícia Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley escreveu: Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together. You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the weight back on. I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi, Amani! Thanky you very much for you email! Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one. Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today. Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, for example? This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A> Thank you! Patrícia Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley escreveu: Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi from Brazil, I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure. She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone. However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving? Thank you! Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :( She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her. I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now. Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with stanozolol? Thank you, Patrícia Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except > for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I > gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together. > > > > You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef > or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a > syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the > medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into > him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target > – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number > of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby > food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything > he wanted until he put the weight back on. > > > > I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing > my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani! > > > > Thanky you very much for you email! > > > > Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby > dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. > > > > Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some > one. > > > > Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today. > > > > Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to > doxy, for example? > > > > This is Nori: > https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html > <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A> > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Patrícia > > > > Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I > hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the > stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone > itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, > keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a > good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the > prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as > well, as per my previous email. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi from Brazil, > > > > I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. > > > She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which > raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. > > She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness > or neurological. Already had a seizure. > > She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + > > She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include > prednisolone. > > However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I > could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received > prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. > > The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. > > Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already > receiving? > > Thank you! > > > > Patrícia > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together. You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the weight back on. I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi, Amani! Thanky you very much for you email! Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one. Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today. Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, for example? This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A> Thank you! Patrícia Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi from Brazil, I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure. She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone. However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving? Thank you! Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani! Thanky you very much for you email! Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one. Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today. Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, for example? This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A> Thank you! Patrícia Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I > hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the > stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone > itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, > keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a > good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the > prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as > well, as per my previous email. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi from Brazil, > > > > I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. > > > She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which > raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. > > She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness > or neurological. Already had a seizure. > > She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + > > She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include > prednisolone. > > However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I > could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received > prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. > > The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. > > Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already > receiving? > > Thank you! > > > > Patrícia > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi from Brazil, I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure. She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone. However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving? Thank you! Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi Patricia The stanozolol works very well when combined with Doxy and prednisolone – at least in my experience. I used 1 mg twice a day of stanozolol, but I started at 2 mg a day with my very sick little boy, who also had a haematocrit of 5 originally before getting a blood transfusion. He got a second blood transfusion when he hit a haematocrit of 10 again, and that’s when I started the combination of stanozolol, prednisone and Doxycycline. After he was out of the woods a bit, and I saw a response with the reticulocyte count (which was ZERO when I started the meds – ie – his bone marrow wasn’t producing ANY cells), then I reduced the stanozolol level to 1 mg twice a day (but I monitored his lab results and had to increase the stanozolol several times before I could safely reduce the level without seeing a drop in his haematocrit, retics, etc.). I also had another cat come from a FIP positive feral colony, who was desperately desperately ill and didn’t think she would make it. When I got her, she had a very high fever, was runny and terribly congested, and had a percussive sound to her abdomen. I never tested her so I cannot confirm if she did have FIP, but I was told by the lady from whom I had gotten her, that several of the other cats from the FIP positive feral colony, died the same weekend I got her and tested FIP positive. I used the same stanozolol + prednisone + Doxy combination, and she pulled through very well. I am currently using stanozolol and prednisone on a cat I first got as a kitten, and he was exhibiting neurological symptoms. We have had several problems over the years with him and I am convinced he has some sort of spinal tumour. He gets to where his back end is very swiveling (swinging), and he cannot stand or walk at all properly. He is very weak in his hindquarters. I have taken him in for several MRI’s and the problem is that I treat him before the MRI’s (because he can barely stand and clearly feels terrible). By the time I have had him in for the test (literally in two days sometimes) the symptoms will have entirely disappeared with the stanozolol and the prednisone. It happened again just last week. He was clearly worsening significantly, and could barely walk, and looked terrible. I have someone staying at the house because I have to be away for business right now. I came home on the weekend to find him in a terrible state, even though the cat sitter was giving him 10 mg prednisone daily (2 x 5 mg a day). I added stanozolol on the Friday. On Saturday, I sat for hours to try and capture the weakness on my iPhone so I could show the vets, but it was already so significantly improved that I really wasn’t able to demonstrate it on the videos I took. I find the Stanozolol is extremely helpful with a wide variety of conditions with cats. One of the senior vet assistants who has been at our clinic for more than 30 years, recalls – as I do – that vets used to prescribe Stanozolol very commonly to cats for a whole variety of conditions, until the stupid Ben Johnson doping scandal at the Olympics in the late 1980’s. Because of the doping scandals, and an overly sensitive concern about liver damage (which is not established by the scientific literature – the condition is usually temporary only), then vets stopped using it or weren’t able to get it. It is a true tragedy for our cats. I would be very interested to hear back from you, if you do decide to try the stanozolol, to let us all know what response you got, if any. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hi from Brazil, I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure. She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone. However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving? Thank you! Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi from Brazil, I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure. She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone. However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving? Thank you! Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
