Re: My Lucky is gone

[Del Daniels]

Julie,
 
What an awful turnout, expecting something simpler 
and then having a serious outcome.  Boy, we never know what is going 
on inside the bodies ... ours or theirs.  I'm so sorry you have lost your 
Lucky, she sounds like a real sweetie and you have happy memories.
 
Hugs
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:19 
  AM
  Subject: My Lucky is gone
  
  Dear Freinds,
   
  I lost my dear Lucky ("Lucky-Duck, the Sweet Baboo") on Friday.  She 
  had surgery for mammary cancer just before Christmas and appeared to 
  be recovering well.  Eating, playing, just being herself.  
  Toward the middle of last week, she seemed to be straining to poop and 
  on Friday she was having diarrhea, not eating and obviously not feeling 
  well .  I took her into the vet thinking that the diarrhea (following a 
  bout of constipation) meant  she might have some stool blocking 
  things.
   
  What we found was several masses in her belly, fluid in her chest and 
  belly, and an enlarged liver.  They were surprised that she was not 
  already in respiratory distress.  Her prognosis was very poor.  
  Her cancer is typically not responsive to chemo and only a month ago her chest 
  and stomach xrays were clear, so the cancer had moved aggressively.  We 
  made the painful decision to euthanize her.  
   
  I am heartbroken; I never expected to take her in and find anything 
  remotely like what we found.  I'm grateful we had the time since 
  Christmas together.  There is always great competition to sleep on my 
  head and she came and found room on the pillow and cuddled with me on 
  Wednesday night; she purred and seemed so happy.  I miss her so much, 
  especially in the morning because she always sat on the bathroom radiator and 
  'helped' me get ready.
   
  I found her hit by a car on my lunch hour about 8.5 years ago and she had 
  some injuries to her face and the silliest little forehead that kind of stuck 
  out and reminded us of a little bird.
   
  Thanks for listening, everyone; I'd be lost without you all.
   
  Love, Julie "I hold that, the more helpless a 
  creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of 
  man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
  by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  __Do You 
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Re: Will be away!

[Del Daniels]

Brenda - Prayers for you and good results on your 
tests.  While most tests are not fun, there is something positive to be 
said for being alive to take the tests.  Yeah!
Let us know when you are 
safely home.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brenda K. 
  Smith 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:07 
  PM
  Subject: OT: Will be away!
  Hi All.    Just wanted to let 
  everybody know that my daughter and I will be leaving tomorrow late morning 
  for Minneapolis.  I have to have an angiogram Thursday morning related to 
  being a heart transplant patient.  I know I don't write much, but with 
  all this going on with the transport of Lovey and Merry from GA I thought if I 
  suddenly wasn't on for a day or so that somebody might start to worry. 
  :)  I will check my email before I leave tomorrow and baring no 
  complications I'll be home Thursday evening to check the 
  list.    Take care everybody.-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.

Re: for Del

[Del Daniels]

Sorry, I don't know what is going on with aol, mail 
is coming there just not all of it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   

 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:34 
  PM
  Subject: for Del
  
  Hi Del,
   
  I need your email.  The one you asked me to use won't 
work.
   
  I need to make sure you're aware of Loveyisms before he spends the 
  night.  : )
   
  tonyaTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  i'm 
a chat host at cathobbyist.com, and i just had to find some CRF (chronic 
renal failure; sorry if most of you know what the initials mean, but i try 
not to assume!) info for a chatter--i went to yahoogroups.com and did a 
search--and there are a LOT of them--hard to tell which to try first, but 
i'd go with some of the larger ones. google is always another good option 
for resources... (belinda, why am i thinking that you are on a crf 
list?)here's one that came highly recommended on another list (oh, 
for all i know it came from THIS list--my memory is getting progressively 
randomly accessible...): Tanya's UK Feline Chronic Renal 
Failure/symptomssub-q hydrating at home is so easy (not to 
mention cheap compared to having the vet do it)--and folks i've known with 
CRF kitties usually only had to hydrate every 3 days or so, so the 
travelling wouldn't necessarily get in the way.she could also 
contact rescue groups in her area to see if there's anyone there she could 
hire to do the hydrating for her if she really doesn't think she can do it 
herself--one of my friends has a vet tech do it for her when necessary... 
another option is to find a cat or dog breeder to help out--that's what i 
had to do when i was having surgery in the middle of a course of injections 
for one of my cats MCBarbara Lowe wrote: 
The vet for my sister's maine coon mix feels her cat is in kidney failure.
he suggested hydrating the cat  for 48 hours at office to see if can
jumpstart him. ($600) and then maybe maybe she can learn to do it at home.
(by herself I doubt it and the other problem is she travels frequently for
her job). I dont' know his age(she lives a few states away from me but would
imagine less than 10?) he was a rescue and she's had him several years. does
anyone know some good websites or yahoo group for this? thank you in
advance.
barbara





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Re: for Tonya re Lovey/Del

[Del Daniels]

Tonya,
 
I did send you my other addy:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is being selective 
these days.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:34 
  PM
  Subject: for Del
  
  Hi Del,
   
  I need your email.  The one you asked me to use won't 
work.
   
  I need to make sure you're aware of Loveyisms before he spends the 
  night.  : )
   
  tonyaTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  i'm 
a chat host at cathobbyist.com, and i just had to find some CRF (chronic 
renal failure; sorry if most of you know what the initials mean, but i try 
not to assume!) info for a chatter--i went to yahoogroups.com and did a 
search--and there are a LOT of them--hard to tell which to try first, but 
i'd go with some of the larger ones. google is always another good option 
for resources... (belinda, why am i thinking that you are on a crf 
list?)here's one that came highly recommended on another list (oh, 
for all i know it came from THIS list--my memory is getting progressively 
randomly accessible...): Tanya's UK Feline Chronic Renal 
Failure/symptomssub-q hydrating at home is so easy (not to 
mention cheap compared to having the vet do it)--and folks i've known with 
CRF kitties usually only had to hydrate every 3 days or so, so the 
travelling wouldn't necessarily get in the way.she could also 
contact rescue groups in her area to see if there's anyone there she could 
hire to do the hydrating for her if she really doesn't think she can do it 
herself--one of my friends has a vet tech do it for her when necessary... 
another option is to find a cat or dog breeder to help out--that's what i 
had to do when i was having surgery in the middle of a course of injections 
for one of my cats MCBarbara Lowe wrote: 
The vet for my sister's maine coon mix feels her cat is in kidney failure.
he suggested hydrating the cat  for 48 hours at office to see if can
jumpstart him. ($600) and then maybe maybe she can learn to do it at home.
(by herself I doubt it and the other problem is she travels frequently for
her job). I dont' know his age(she lives a few states away from me but would
imagine less than 10?) he was a rescue and she's had him several years. does
anyone know some good websites or yahoo group for this? thank you in
advance.
barbara





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Re: Brenda, Lovey, and Merry, and Cherie

[Del Daniels]

I have not heard anything fm Brenda yet but didn't 
expect to until tomorrow.  She had a long drive back home and then to get 
her furbabies settled ... I am really anxious to hear from her, too.  

 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:55 
  PM
  Subject: Brenda, Lovey, and Merry, and 
  Cherie
  
  I have to go to bed.  Has anyone heard if Brenda made it home 
  with the kitties?
   
  Did Cherie go get her new kitten?
   
  tonya
  "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hey 
Michelle - I'm a vegetarian, was a vegan, I certainly feed my cats 
different from myself. Weird, first time I went out to by liver. 
GloriaAt 06:01 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote:>Oh, I know, but to 
tell the truth I never would have thought of cooking a >steak. I'm a 
vegan and although I have boiled and broiled chicken and >liver for 
sick cats, steak never occurred to me. Now it 
will.>Michelle>>In a message dated 2/22/05 6:59:32 PM 
Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:>>You know how we are – we feed better to our loving 
cats that we feed >ourselves, right?>>Anything she 
would eat, I would give if you know what I 
mean…

Re: Brenda, Lovey, and Merry, and Cherie

[Del Daniels]

Well, one thing about Lovey's ride  ... our 
car no longer smells like goats ... when Lovey peed in his carrier and turned 
over his litter and the towel some urine apparently seeped out onto the 
carpet.  LOL!
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:13 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Brenda, Lovey, and Merry, 
  and Cherie
  
  Thanks Del, I couldn't sleep so thought I'd double check.  I hope 
  Lovey is behaving!
   
  tDel Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  



I have not heard anything fm Brenda yet but 
didn't expect to until tomorrow.  She had a long drive back home and 
then to get her furbabies settled ... I am really anxious to hear from her, 
too.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:55 
  PM
  Subject: Brenda, Lovey, and Merry, 
  and Cherie
  
  I have to go to bed.  Has anyone heard if Brenda made it 
  home with the kitties?
   
  Did Cherie go get her new kitten?
   
  tonya
  "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hey 
Michelle - I'm a vegetarian, was a vegan, I certainly feed my cats 
different from myself. Weird, first time I went out to by liver. 
GloriaAt 06:01 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote:>Oh, I know, but 
to tell the truth I never would have thought of cooking a >steak. 
I'm a vegan and although I have boiled and broiled chicken and 
>liver for sick cats, steak never occurred to me. Now it 
will.>Michelle>>In a message dated 2/22/05 6:59:32 
PM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:>>You know how we are – we feed better to our 
loving cats that we feed >ourselves, 
right?>>Anything she would eat, I would give if you know 
what I 
mean…

Effie has her angel's wings

[Del Daniels]

Effie left us this morning and my 
friend, Liz, who passed away last week, is taking care of her in 
heaven.  The pain from the growing mass against her spine took away her 
quality of life.  It was awfully hard.  It IS hard.  You 
understand, we continue to look at their favorite places and those places are 
empty ... and I cry for her.  My heart is broken.
 
Thank you everyone for support and 
feedback.  Without these groups, she would never have lived this long or 
this well.
 
Del>^.^

Re: Thank you fm Del and Angel Effie

[Del Daniels]

Thank you to everyone who responded with sympathies 
to my huge loss of Effie.  She was such a light in our lives and we miss 
her terribly.  The "real" Effie gradually faded away and she became a more 
sedentary waif with less fur and less weight.  At times her eyes were 
bright and interested in playing but the body didn't allow response.  Lack 
of energy and increasing discomfort took her away, little by little.  Gosh, 
how I love her and miss her.  
In January 04 intuition was that she was 
in her last year with us and I wanted to soak up as much of her as possible and 
give her even more love and attention and I moved in her bedroom with 
her.  I was already in with her a lot, sitting in her sunroom 
or watching tv, any projects that could be done there.  That bathroom 
is "mine" and she inspected my shower and checked the drain for 
possible thingies ... don't know if she ever found any but it was one of her 
daily rituals.  There is a screen door on her bedroom instead of a 
hard paneled door and we looked in at her and talked to her every passing 
by.  My heart breaks again and again as I look in and she is not 
there.  I have been cleaning in her sunroom and bedroom (her apartment :) 
and her fluffy fur is still flying around; remembering all her favorite 
games and resting places.  And crying and crying.  I am going to buy 
new bedspreads and kind of change the look of it, the others need replacing 
anyway.  The toilet seat cover where she loved to pull on the loops and 
made very long loops will have to stay for a while.  She loved pulling 
things apart with her teeth.  She decarpeted her bedroom and we put in 
tile!  A roll of paper towel makes great confetti.  Hubby had to put a 
toilet tissue holder UP HIGH - betcha Effie wasn't the only one who liked to 
unroll that stuff and make more confetti ... you all have a kitty who 
enjoys doing that?  
 
Your prayers and caring has held me 
together,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:36 
AM
  Subject: Re: Effie has her angel's 
  wings
  
  Dear Del,
   
  How sorry I am to hear that Effie has left you.  We all know how 
  hard it is; the hardest thing in life, it seems.  She's free of pain and 
  happy now, surely with your friend Liz.  I'm sorry for your loss of Liz, 
  as well, but I hope you can find comfort in knowing they are together and in 
  the special memories you have of each of them.
   
  Sending a big, big hug your way. Take care of yourself.
   
  Love, Julie Del Daniels 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  





Effie left us this morning and my 
friend, Liz, who passed away last week, is taking care of her in 
heaven.  The pain from the growing mass against her spine took away her 
quality of life.  It was awfully hard.  It IS hard.  You 
understand, we continue to look at their favorite places and those places 
are empty ... and I cry for her.  My heart is broken.
 
Thank you everyone for support and 
feedback.  Without these groups, she would never have lived this long 
or this well.
 
Del>^.^<Spay/Neuter Your Pet 
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Re: Effie has her angel's wings

[Del Daniels]

Thank you for your kind words and the lovely poem.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Effie has her angel's 
  wings
  
  Del,
   
  I'm so sorry to hear of your losing Liz and Effie.  I'm sorry you've 
  lost them, and happy they're free of the physical problems that led to their 
  passing.  This came to me in nearly finished form at work a while 
  ago - after comments made by a patient and another patient's 
  granddaughter.  I hope it brings you comfort.
   
  Weep and Weep Well
  Weep, and weep well, for our losses, though 
  not for their passing.
   
  For they have gone to a placewhere blind eyes can 
  see, deaf ears can hear,and old, weak, and broken bodiesare young, 
  healthy, and whole once more.
   
  Flesh and bonemay wither and die, but the 
  Consciousnessand the Love survives.
   
  They may be gone,  yet they're with us still. 
  In our hearts and thoughts, and in our daily lives.
   
  Comforting us.
   
  Guiding us.
   
  And patiently waiting for the day
   when we come home to them once more, 
   with Our youth and health restored.
   
  Weep, and weep well, for our lossesfor it shows 
  the love we shared,and celebrates the life they lived, and the love we 
  will always have.
   
  Celebrate their livesby living ours to the 
  fullest,and telling their storieswith Love and a 
  Smile.
   
   
   
  Where there's Life, there's HopeKathy"There is nothing so strong as 
  gentleness, and there is nothing so gentle as real strength." ~ Sir Francis de 
  Sates

Re: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!

[Del Daniels]

Brenda ... I am one who has not replied after your 
note ... I am definitely interested and due to life's mess the past couple of 
weeks I have not finished reading it :(.  My Effie died (you know already) 
and two friends passed away all within two weeks plus some other messy life 
stuff.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brenda K. 
  Smith 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - 
  Third Act! LONG!
  Kerry.    Thanks so much for 
  replying.  You are the only one on this list who has replied to my last 
  update on Lovey and Merry.  I don't know if my email got bounced off this 
  list or what.  Everybody seemed very interested in Lovey and Merry so 
  wanted to be sure everybody heard about getting them home here with 
  us.    They are both doing wonderfully well right 
  now.  I have pictures if anybody would like to see them in their new 
  home.  Also, I am doing just fine. :)-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.


MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:




I am a 
week behind and trying to catch up. This is a great story Brenda. Lovey and 
Merry are 2 very fortunate little kitties. I hope you're all having a chance to 
enjoy life now after that exhausting and stressful trip! 
take 
care, Kerry

-Original Message-
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Brenda K. Smith
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 
11:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: JENNIFER RYAN 
CADIEU; Del; Peggy Dial; Dale Thompson; Reghan Dagley
Subject: OT: 
Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!

Hi 
All..

    Peggy, would you please pass this on to Tinley?  Thanks.

    Also, thank you Dan for your leg of the trip.  I understand it wasn't so special. :) You are a good man. 


    I left off with going to meet Tom at the Wisconsin Dells.  We arrived between 10:00 and 10:30 PM.  We had a few words with Tom and thanked him again profusely.  When he opened his car door the tom cat smell just about floored us. lol  Poor Tom. :(  We got the cats transferred to our car and thanked Tom again.  He took off for home 
and we decided to find an out of the way place in the Dells.  We were tired and knew the cats would appreciate getting out of the kennels.  Also, since we hadn't brought any gas masks I knew we needed to do some cleaning up. lol

    Just a few blocks from the pick up we found a small place called The Malibu Inn.  It is owned and operated by a very nice Turkish family.  My daughter went to check to see if they had a quiet room and if they would accept cats.  Janine thought she shouldn't say anything 
in case they wouldn't let us check in.  I suggested she play it by 
ear.  I wanted to stay in the car with the cats.  Anyway, a little 
later I saw the man owner take her to a room so that she could check it out.  She came over to the car and said she thought it was fine and we could check in with the cats as long as they remained kenneled.  We just looked at each other because we knew we weren't going to leave them all night in the kennels, but we let the owner think that.  I had brought Ozium spray for odors, a disinfectant to clean the kennels and spray things around the motel room.  I've seen too many programs on the supposed cleanliness of motel/hotel rooms. :)  We also brought Nature's Miracle in case Lovey sprayed.

    The man owner kept hanging around trying to be helpful and I just wanted him to leave us alone so that we could get the cats out of the car.  We didn't want him to smell the inside of the car or the cats or he surely wouldn't have let us check in. lol  We left the car running with the heat on and took everything in but the cats.  We also didn't want to take a chance that one of the cats would get out the door while bringing things into the room.  We got everything in and about to go get the cats in when he knocked on our door.  I forget what he wanted, but he was just trying to be helpful.  After we got rid of  him, we ran out to the car (parked in front of our room) and got the cats into the room.  Within seconds the entire room was permeated with Lovey's tom cat smell.  It was intense.  I asked my daughter to get a plastic bag out of the car and I let the cats out of the kennels.  Lovey had a big blue tow
el and a folded sheet which were saturated with urine.  I shoved those into the bag, tied it and asked Janine to put it in the trunk until we could find an outside waste container.  I then disinfected his kennel, dried it out and put fresh bedding in.  We also started spraying the parts of the room that the cats weren't in.  They were afraid of the spray so just sprayed away from them.

    Meanwhile, Lovey and Merry are still eating canned and d

Re: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!

[Del Daniels]

Brenda,
 
Yes, it was on felvtalk and my personal 
e-mail.
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brenda K. 
  Smith 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:10 
PM
  Subject: Re: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - 
  Third Act! LONG!
  Del.    Not a problem not 
  responding.  I just think that it got bounced by felvtalk so wasn't sure 
  anybody saw it.  Did you see the 3rd and last update I sent to the list 
  here?  I sent it to the list on March 3.  I just wanted to make sure 
  that those who were part of their lives during the trip, etc. got to hear that 
  they got home in good shape.  I'm wondering if I should send it to the 
  List again??-- 


 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.


Del Daniels wrote:






Brenda ... I am one who has not replied after your 
note ... I am definitely interested and due to life's mess the past couple of 
weeks I have not finished reading it :(.  My Effie died (you know already) 
and two friends passed away all within two weeks plus some other messy life 
stuff.  
 
Del


  
  

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Re: large sheets for bedspreads

[Del Daniels]

I tried covering the bedspreads with a sheet to 
keep the spread cleaner longer ... the furbabies made a mess of it, rumpling it 
up the best they could which was quite a bit!  Good idea though maybe with 
less busy cats.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Karolyn Lount 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Thank you fm Del and Angel 
  Effie
  May I suggest that when you need to replace bedspreads but 
  large sheetswith a pattern. From a distance they look like a regular 
  bedspread. Theyare also a lot easier to wash. I picked this hint up from a 
  neighbor ofmine that has 10 cats.

Re: large sheets for bedspreads - fleece

[Del Daniels]

I buy remnants of fleece and have them in many 
baskets around the house for kitties to sleep on ... unfortunately my Noah loves 
the fleece and drags it around in his mouth and it is his "woman" so to speak 
... He was neutered early but has never lost the urge, for ten years he has done 
this, guess he will not outgrow it.  A large enough piece to cover a twin 
bed would be a challenge for him. LOL  There are some beautiful fleece 
patterns, too.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  tamara 
  stickler 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:29 
AM
  Subject: RE: large sheets for 
  bedspreads
  
  Del,
   
  Go to the fabric store and pick up a nice, patterned or solid color pc. 
  of low pyle fleece to throw over the bedspread/comforter.  Its a bit 
  heavier than the sheet and initiates instand nap-attackes, so they never quite 
  get a chance to make a real mess of it.  (Fleece is perfect b/c its 
  realitively inexpensive if you buy it raw, and you don't have to hem it.  
  Holes from claws just close back up and it can be washed quite a bit and still 
  look good.)
  


 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del DanielsSent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:21 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: large sheets for 
bedspreads
 

I tried covering the bedspreads 
with a sheet to keep the spread cleaner longer ... the furbabies made a mess 
of it, rumpling it up the best they could which was quite a bit!  Good 
idea though maybe with less busy cats.

 

Del

  
  - Original 
  Message - 
  
  From: Karolyn Lount 
  
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:06 PM
  
  Subject: Re: 
  Thank you fm Del and Angel Effie
  
   
  May I suggest 
  that when you need to replace bedspreads but large sheetswith a 
  pattern. From a distance they look like a regular bedspread. Theyare 
  also a lot easier to wash. I picked this hint up from a neighbor 
  ofmine that has 10 cats.
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Re:Difficulty removing cat fm carrier

[Del Daniels]

Yes, haven't most of us dealt with this obstinance 
:)  I bought two top-loaders which makes it much easier putting them 
in and taking them out.  There are many of them available now at various 
prices.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barb 
  Moermond 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:16 
  AM
  Subject: Re: OT-need advise
  
  I wish my carrier came apart that easily - whenever Smoky has to go in, I 
  have to take the top of the carrier off because he does NOT want to leave the 
  carrier.Karolyn Lount <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  What 
I have used for many years are carriers wit "Turn Locks" Turn Locksare 
"L" shaped that hold the carrier together. Often, while the carrieris 
apart, I put the cat in the bottom part then just put the 
carriertogether. Then in the vet's I take the carrier apart putting the 
"L:shaped locks in my pocket. Sometimes the vet does not even have 
toremove the cat from the bottom part of the carrier. Works grate for 
meand the cat.Barb+Smoky the House 
  Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he 
  should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me 
  smile." - Anonymous
  
  
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Re: Loki Update

[Del Daniels]

Steve,
 
My thoughts are with you and Loki during this very 
difficult and stressful time.
 
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve Williams 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:09 
  AM
  Subject: RE: Loki Update
  I have been away from the computer for some time, spending all 
  my thoughtand time with Loki.  Thank you Terrie, Kristi, Nina, Barb, 
  Cherie, Jen,Tonya, Joan, Carla, Michelle, and Kerry for your warm thoughts 
  and advice.Michelle, you suggested steroids.  The only steroid 
  the doctor mentioned wasPrednisone, which I am familiar with because of a 
  friend with Crohn'sDisease.  The Doctor indicated that this would be 
  a longer term treatment,but while having a different effect, would be 
  slightly less effective thanthe near term relieve of a diuretic.  I 
  believe the he was indicating thetumor was too large for the steroids to 
  have a great effect; and that whileprolonging life, life would be less 
  comfortable.I've been making sure Loki is having some wonderful days, 
  although it's beendifficult at times with the rain we've been 
  having.  He doesn't normally getto go outside, except for the large 
  deck, which he loves.  In good weather,the deck has always been open 
  to him.  However, these days, I've let himoutside to explore and 
  wander in the wild grass around the house.  He lovesit and has all 
  the energy for it.  I think it is wonderfully distracting 
  forhim.His breathing has been the same.  Getting rest is a 
  difficult for him, butthe good days, I feel, have offset the labored 
  breathing.Evaluating every breath, every movement; every happy purr, 
  head-but,kneading action, and roll onto the back; every nap, sleep, eating 
  habit,toilet deposit; every behavioral change, uncomfortable sleeping or 
  relaxingposition, has been stressful for me.  When to let go is so 
  hard, but I amtrying to be unbiased with the decision about when his 
  quality of life is nolonger good.This early evening, I think I am 
  noticing more labored breathing.  I am alsonoticing more difficulty 
  with finding the right position to sleep.  He isfavoring harder, 
  flatter surfaces to sleep on so as not to impede breathing.I am 
  accommodating this with soft towels on the hard surfaces he favors,with an 
  extra small roll for his chin to rest upon.  This is desirable 
  forhim.  Of course, this is now very distressing for me, as I am 
  feeling thetime is near to let him go.  I will hope for a clear 
  morning/day for him toexplore outside, then reevaluate.No need to 
  respond to this.  I just needed to let you know and to write itdown 
  for myself.Steve

Re: OT:FIV false positive?

[Del Daniels]

I'm not very up to date on reading the posts lately 
so may easily have missed something ... but most of us have our FIV+ mixed with 
our negatives unless the positive is aggressive since it usually takes a deep 
bite to pass the disease.  FeLV+ is more contagious and not as many are 
mixed with negatives.  Is there another reason to separate her if she is 
FIV+?
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:59 
  AM
  Subject: OT:FIV false positive?
  
  
  Buddha (Squeekie)’s blood work 
  came back from a lab – when we did ELISA in house clinic test, she was 
  negative on FeLV/FIV – then, Antech lab did the virus test again on ELISA (by 
  mistake since I did not ask them to do so, but they did it anyway by mistake), 
  but on their ELISA test from the lab, the FIV came back as 
  positive.
   
  I had a similar thing happened to 
  one my other kitties, Rikki – when I first rescued him, the ELISA (both in 
  house test and antech lab) came back as negative, 2 months later, we re-tested 
  him again, and the antech came back as positive on FIV (did not do in house at 
  this time) – but I have always felt (just a feeling) that it was false 
  positive for some reason, but the meantime, he was isolated from others just 
  in case  – and two or three years 
  later (which is sometime last year), I tested him again, and this time, in 
  ELISA, both in house clinic and Antech lab came back as Negative, and 
  ELISA/Western Blot by Cornell came back as negative, but DNA test through 
  another lab came back as Positive – which was very confusing.  And I was supposed to send it again to 
  UC Davis for another DNA test as recommended by Cornell – but never have – so 
  he is still isolated.  Also, he is 
  asymptomatic (no symptoms at all).  
  Again, I have three other FIV (definite FIV) boys, but they are all 
  healthy, unlike FeLV, many cats don’t necessary die from FIV, but die with FIV 
  – so it’s hard to tell from their heath condition sometimes. But because of 
  the inconsistency, he is still alone, which makes me feel very badly. I should 
  probably do another test and see what happens 
  soon.
   
  Anyway, I guess I have to do the 
  same thing for Buddha (run western blot and another ELISA, and possibly IFA 
  and DNA test – I had to anesthetize her to draw blood last time, and probably 
  have to do so again, which I hate to do, but, I really can’t merge her with 
  other kitties without knowing for sure of the results because of the risks to 
  other cats –anyway, I am writing this to you in case you have any insights on 
  this situation.
   
  Unlike FeLV virus, once you have 
  the FIV virus in the body, the virus tends to stay – so once it’s positive, 
  s/he will always be positive – so inconsistency of the results (from positive 
  to negative) comes from false test result, that’s what I read and 
  heard.
   
  Everyone, regardless, please pray 
  for Buddha that she does not have FIV – I really wanted her to merge with the 
  cats in the main house – which will make it difficult otherwise.  Again, thank you for listening, and I 
  appreciate any advise or 
  input.
   
  Thank 
  you.
   
  Hideyo

Re: NutriGest Info

[Del Daniels]

Julie - let us know when you get this NutriGest and 
if it works ... my Santiago (negative) AKA Mr. Poop, has had the 
diarrhea for the month I've had him.  Ten days of Flagyl and numerous 
doses of Amforol and his butt is no longer a #10 cherry without sphincter 
control BUT still having big problems.  Once he actually had a formed 
stool and I was very excited.  The next trip to the litter box was a 
splatter :(    Santiago came fm a terrible living situation where 
there were many cats and NO litter boxes ...the home had to be burned.  
He's a tuxedo purr factory.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:38 
AM
  Subject: NutriGest Info 
  
  Hi Everyone,
   
  NutriGest is a product that Nina's Gypsy had prescribed for IBD and I 
  thought it might be just the thing for my Coco (IBD).  I don't have any 
  holistic vets nearby so I went searching on the 'net.  It's actually kind 
  of hard to find; it looks like the company will only sell to vets.  
  Here's the link to the vet hospital where I was able to purchase it:
   
  http://mantenoanimalhospital.com/pet_products.htm
   
  I can't tell you much about their service since I haven't received it 
  yet.
   
  Hope this helps; can't wait to get it since Coco is doing better, but 
  even with pred and flagyl, he's still having diarrhea.
   
  Take care everyone, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a 
  creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of 
  man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
  by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
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Another Pepcid AC question

[Del Daniels]

I bought the Gelcaps Pepcid AC and 
the ingredients do not compare with the regular Pepcid AC square tablets ... the 
gelcaps are solid and can be quartered but list several other 
ingredients and I am reluctant to use them unless some of you already have used 
them without any problems with the kitty.  Of course, the sales receipt is 
already in the trash :( but I prefer to throw them out then have a bad reaction 
for kitty.  
 
Also ... in the morning Noah has 1/4 Pepcid about 
7am, 15 minutes before his breakfast ... should he have the next one 15 
minutes before his supper which would be about 5pm or is that too close together 
to give the meds?  Or should I wait until later in the evening even though 
he has already eaten?  I feel quite stupid about the best way to give them 
to his best advantage.  I'd really appreciate the input, his 
mouth is a mess of sores and he has spewed some projectile vomiting ... clear 
bright yellow liquid.  The vet saw him last week, there were eosinophils 
along with mucho bacteria.  He had a Depo injection and on Clavamox, with 
very slow improvement.  Our vet is on vacation this week and while I 
could call him I prefer not to unless it is a dire emergency.  
 
 
Del>^.^

Re: Another Pepcid AC question

[Del Daniels]

Thanks Julie.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:10 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Another Pepcid AC 
  question
  
  Hi Del,
   
  I've never used the gelcaps; I only ever used the tablets.  I'd 
  guess that the other ingredients are probably just some kind of binders or 
  fillers, but like you, I be reluctant to use it without knowing for sure that 
  it was OK.
   
  In terms of the dosage, my understanding for medications like Pepcid is 
  that the interval that's important is giving it before meals, not how far 
  apart the meals are.  I'm not saying this very well (having a severely 
  "blonde" day), but unlike antibiotics which would be given at timed intervals, 
  the tummy medicines are given prior to eating, whatever time that might 
  be.
   
  Julie
  Del Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  




I bought the Gelcaps Pepcid AC 
and the ingredients do not compare with the regular Pepcid AC square tablets 
... the gelcaps are solid and can be quartered but list several 
other ingredients and I am reluctant to use them unless some of you already 
have used them without any problems with the kitty.  Of course, the 
sales receipt is already in the trash :( but I prefer to throw them out then 
have a bad reaction for kitty.  
 
Also ... in the morning Noah has 1/4 Pepcid 
about 7am, 15 minutes before his breakfast ... should he have the next 
one 15 minutes before his supper which would be about 5pm or is that too 
close together to give the meds?  Or should I wait until later in the 
evening even though he has already eaten?  I feel quite stupid about 
the best way to give them to his best advantage.  I'd really 
appreciate the input, his mouth is a mess of sores and he has spewed 
some projectile vomiting ... clear bright yellow liquid.  The vet saw 
him last week, there were eosinophils along with mucho bacteria.  He 
had a Depo injection and on Clavamox, with very slow improvement.  Our 
vet is on vacation this week and while I could call him I prefer not to 
unless it is a dire emergency.   
 
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  by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
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Re: Another Pepcid AC question

[Del Daniels]

Thank you, I will dispose of the gelcaps.  Is 
there a generic available fm the pharmacy, I wonder.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:13 
AM
  Subject: Re: Another Pepcid AC 
  question
  
  Del,
  We have used Pepcid for mant kiitties at the 
  shelter. One thing the vet did stress was only to use the tablet (original) 
  form, due to diff. in ingredients in other forms.
   
  She also said administer 15 min, before meals, and 
  she realizes w/ meals we were not on a 12 hour schedule between feedings. So I 
  don't think the times you are talking about would make a 
  diff.
   
  I just wouls NOT use the gelcapsespecially after 
  discussing Pepcid w/ our vet. Like I said, she STRESSED use only the original 
  form.
  Patti

Re: Another Pepcid AC question_for Del

[Del Daniels]

Title: AOL Email



I will be going to Wal-Mart!  The brand name 
is quite pricey.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:13 
PM
  Subject: Re: Another Pepcid AC 
  question_for Del
  
  
  

  


  

Del,
Yes, we picked up the generic @ WalMart for a 
very cheap price. They were 5mg, instead of 10mg, but for our 
Gertrude it was easier to half them than quarter 
them.
Also, some of The Dollar stores carry the 
generic & it's the same darn thing.
And they do carry 10 mg generic @ WalMart 
too!
Hope this helps!
Patti

 

Re: cat carrier trick

[Del Daniels]

Hahaha, I had not thought of the underwear thing 
... but I can not put my shoes on before putting them in carriers - well, the 
carriers won't happen.  Definitely forget about a coat first, too.  

 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barb 
  Moermond 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:04 
  PM
  Subject: Re: cat carrier trick
  
  LOL  My vets are in good shape, but I can't afford their house 
  calls!  For a vet and a tech to come to the house, it's $86 right off the 
  bat.  Regular exam fees and everything else still apply.  
  Fortunately, I can usually con the boys.  It helps when they haven't been 
  there in a while, they lose a little bit of their suspicion of me.  HAH, 
  my kitties do NOT trust mommy in the morning - if there has been a recent vet 
  trip for either, they won't let me anywhere near them in the morning.  
  And forget about coming home in the middle of the day.  The last time I 
  snagged Smoky, I had to sit around in the living room for 10 minutes in my 
  underwear so he would think I wasn't going 
  anywhere![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


With Quincy, the vet would have to be a good runner, as Quincy runs all 
over the place when any strangers try to go near him. The vets in my area 
are too out of shape.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 4/8/05 10:36:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i've 
  solved it a different way--i use house-call vets! (that way, it's only the 
  vet who needs any tranquilizing)

 Barb+Smoky the House 
  Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he 
  should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me 
  smile." - Anonymous
  
  
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Re: TOM

[Del Daniels]

I'm sorry my house is full-up but you did not give 
a location - state would be a big help, or area code.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:47 
  PM
  Subject: TOM
  
  I need to find Tom a good home with another 
  positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 
  non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with 
  another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live 
  out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and 
  littler.
   
  Barbara Baass
  835-2484

Re: "new" addition

[Del Daniels]

Big hugs to you for taking in this kitty, you are 
wonderful!
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:00 
  AM
  Subject: "new" addition
  
  Hi all,
   
  I may be getting a new addition to the family. That's the good 
  part.  The part that makes me madder than hell is that a 'family' turned 
  in their 22 year old blind cat to a local shelter.  Talk about beyond 
  belief. How can someone do that?
   
  Anyway, if no one else steps up before I get off at 3:00  I'm 
  going to go get her tomorrow.  I can't stand to think of her living out 
  her last days or being euthanized in a 
  shelter.Question:  What should I do about  felv 
  vaccines?  Should a cat that old get vaccinations?  I wouldn't want 
  to expose her to my group without them.  Also, being blind, should I 
  start her out in a cage?  Any advice welcomed!!
   
  We'll probably head to the vet and spend a few hundred dollars first 
  thing. lol.  Actually I hope my vet will take pity on me. I'll let you 
  know how it goes.
   
  Also, I mentioned this to my mother and she was VERY negative about me 
  taking her. It really hurt my feelings.  I've been worried about 
  this cat all weekend. Here I am and I have to get up at 5.   I 
  just don't understand how most people think I guess.  : (
   
  t

Re: CLS Monday, April 18th, 2005

[Del Daniels]

You are not alone, my heart breaks all over when I 
see Effie's name there.  Or here.  Or anywhere.  
 
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: CLS Monday, April 18th, 
  2005
  
  Why is it that I still cry when I see her name 
  there?
   
  
  (No reply required, just needed to say it)
  Jenn
   
  ~~~Moogie (April 19, 
  2002) Jenn
  
  

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Re: OT:FIV false positive? LONG answer!

[Del Daniels]

I am so very behind in reading the posts 
... however, I do have a female FIV+ and there was another female FIV+ also 
taken from the same house.  It was a terrible living situation and the cats 
were taken out and shared with shelters and trusted kitty people.  I took 
three cats and Tabitha tested positive.  The vet guestamated she is 
one year old.  The other positive was taken by a vet who immediately put 
her down after testing.  "No point in fooling with the positives."  
I heard her say she would but didn't know about the test results until 
afterwards.  We have no idea if the two females were related.  

 
Del 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:54 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT:FIV false positive? LONG 
  answer!
  
  It IS strange, isn't it, how cool the fiv cats are!  My fiv cat was 
  just as you described.  The MOST laid back, friendly, neat cat I've ever 
  had.  HUGE!  Especially when I first rescued him and he wasn't 
  neutered yet.  (I don't know his age, but he was old and died of hepatic 
  liver disease. We didn't know his status until he got sick with that.  He 
  just started losing weight, and by the time I noticed (under all the hair), it 
  was too late.  Everyone loved him.  Even those who aren't too fond 
  of my menagerie loved Brutus.
   
  A vet came to visit our school this year with a huge cat.  She 
  passed him around the room, etc... like a puppy.  She said he was one of 
  the only cats she'd ever been able to take out to schools, etc because 
  nothing bothered him. He was fiv positive and lived with her other cats at 
  home.  Some vets file their incisors.  I don't remember if she said 
  they'd done that or not on this guy.
   
  Come to think of it, I've never heard of anyone with a female fiv 
  positive.  Strange.
   
  tTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  oh, 
heavens, yes, chris--not only that, but to a great degree, all FIVreally 
seems to do is make cats big, lazy and couch-potatoes...seriously--from 
the experiences at the FIV/FeLV sanctuary, theHEALTHIEST 
population--including the owner-surrenders, strays andferals, were the 
FIVs.three years ago, some strays brought in distemper. altho ALL 
the catshad been vaccinated when they came into sanctuary, we had no way 
ofknowing, of course, whether they'd ever gotten the full, 
two-seriessets of shots to "set" the immunity. as you may or may not 
know (ididn't), distemper spreads VERY VERY easily--as little as an 
infectedgrain of litter carried from room to room is said to be 
enough.TWO HUNDRED CATS died from that distemper episode, despite 
heroicmedical intervention (this happened about 6 months before i 
arrived,so i luckily didn't have to deal with it). not ONE FIV cat 
got thedistemper--not one. we saw similar results with less 
seriousinfections--when uris ran around the buildings, the FIVs either 
didn'tget it, or recovered faster. why? who knows. there was some talk 
aboutjust dumping the FIV room and moving them from their building into 
thegeneral population--but we didn't want to make them sick! the 
onlyconsistent medical problem that the FIVs seem more prone to is 
herpesviruses, and as everyone on this list knows, daily doses of 
lysinedropped the incidence of that right back down. there ARE 
end-stagesymptoms of FIV that appear in some cats, but in most cases, 
FIV catsdie of old age before they appearwe call the FIV 
room the neighborhood bar: since 95+% of FIV cats areformer toms who got 
it while out fighting over girls (or, as one vetsuggests, running AWAY 
from males fighting over girls), it's mostlybig old neutered toms. once 
neutered, that need to prove themselvesevaporates. did i mention BIG? 
the largest cats in the sanctuary arethe FIV boys--it's been great fun 
to take the 16#rs and up to vets whoknow nothing about FIV--"they can't 
possibly be sick!" exactlythey lay around all day watching tv, 
drinking catnip beer, playing "gofish," and talking about the mice they 
used to chase. you bring thefood into the room and they say, "um, could 
you bring that bowl alittle closer to ME, please?" they are the 
lovingest bunch of cats inthe world--laps are their favorite places to 
nap. the few girls(mostly calicos, interestingly enough) just walk 
around shaking theirheads wondering how they ever ended up in such a 
place. MANY of thesanctuary's FIV cats ended up going home with 
volunteers because theywere just too irresistable.i have two 
fivs with my cats now; lost a third last august tosomething totally 
unrelated to FIV.many tnr groups don't even test for FIV anymore, 
i'm told, becauseit's such a nothing disease--again, once neutered, the 
urge to bite asdeeply as needed to transmit the disease dis

Re: Brissle is gone...

[Del Daniels]

Kyle,
 
I am sorry your furbaby has left you in body but 
her spirit and memories will always be with you.  She was blessed with your 
love and care.
 
Del
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Melbeach 
  
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:31 AM
  Subject: Brissle is gone...
  The day I've been dreading finally came. Last night Brissle 
  left me. It got tothe point where she couldn't move on her own. I thought 
  about another bloodtransfusion. But I just didn't have the heart to put 
  her through anothercycle. We already made our peace. I made it a point the 
  last couple of days tospend every minute with her. I think she was hanging 
  on just for me. So nowit's just me and Squermie. I think he's finally 
  starting to figure it out.It's hard, but I'm trying to stay positive. I am 
  eternally grateful to all ofyou on Felvtalk for your caring support. You 
  guys really are the best.-Kyle

Re: Akira

[Del Daniels]

Lisa,  I am sorry you and Akira are going through this tough 
time.  It is always so hard and there is nothing I can say or do to make it 
any easier.  Please know that we care for you and pray for Akira's 
peaceful passage to the Rainbow Bridge.  You gave her much love and she has 
given you many happy memories.  
 
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 12:55 PM
  Subject: Akira
  
  Thank you everyone for all your prayers,
  Akira is resting peacefully on my bed right now, very calm and 
  sereneshe is dyingwe have decided to let her go on her own
   
  They got the blood results on her back Saturday..but they were 
  incomplete...the CBC was missing...the results were so scewed and far fetched 
  teh tech's at the lab didn't think they were right so they were waiting until 
  Monday (today) to have a Pathologist review them.  Akira's vet called 
  them adn asked for the numbers anyways...her white cell count was 
  400,000!  and her lymphocytes (sp) were high tooshe has 
  cancer...so that is what caused her to quit eating...well...her liver 
  values are 16 times  normal.and she is hypothyroid (I think that is 
  the one..it is the one cats dont usually get)   she is in liver 
  failure(fatty liver ) from not eatingthe vet said that in healthy (non 
  FeLV+) cats the survival rate is 70% with intensive carefor just teh fatty 
  liver alone (in the stage she was in)  and by that she meant a permanent 
  feeding tube, 8 months or more of feeding her 6-10 times a day, and fighting 
  any infection she would get from the feeding tube.but then on top of that 
  she has cancer..somewhere...and we would have to find and treat that as 
  well..so ultrasounds, x rays, biopsies...to even see if the cancer is 
  treatableplus the treatment/surgery IF it wasPLUS the Fatty 
  liver...PLUS  the FeLV.and she 
  probally wouldn't make it anyways...not to mention the tourture of all those 
  procedures,a nd staying at teh vets office for a least another week...I 
  decided to bring her home.What made it so much worse is I had to work this 
  weekend..from 7 30 am until 10 pm both Saturday adn Sunday..so I got to 
  hardley spend any time with her until today
  So thank you whoever sent the number for Janet the ACI called her adn 
  she spoke with Akira...Akira does NOT want to go to the vet..nor does she want 
  any help...right now...she wants to go at home with us around...so so be 
  itShe wants to live every remaining minute of her life in peace and 
  home...Janet was complelty amazed at how powerful, beautifull, nad strong 
  Akira's soul was.  Which was comforting..but not a surprise..as many 
  others (amature) have said the same things...Janet says she has only 
  encountered a few other Angelic Beings in physical forms before...and Akira is 
  one of them..
   
  So just an update on her..and how things are going...she is calm, not in 
  pain, and peaceful, and ready to go...she understands what is happening, and 
  is ready for itPlease pray for her,and send all the suppportiive energy 
  you can to herIprobally wont be on for a few days at least...but thank you 
  to everyone who prayed for her, gave m,e info when I first found her, and 
  was  a shoulder to cry on...you are all some of the best friends Ive ever 
  had the pleasure of knowing
  Lisa and the 
  furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
  Anza

Re: Ive lost her.....

[Del Daniels]

Lisa
 
I am so sorry your Akira has left you.  
 
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 2:37 PM
  Subject: Ive lost her.
  
  She's gone..Akira crossed over on May 18th at 9:30 amShe fought 
  so hard to stayI fought so hard for her...this is so hard..let me start 
  from the beggining.
   
  I found her May of 2001, as a little angel in disquiseshe was under a 
  car, in the rain, soaking wet, at my work.on a cold day.My assistant 
  manager acutally found her adn came running back in.. "Lisa there's a kitten 
  under a car...come quick"  So I grabbed a can of kitty food and ran 
  outside...she was so tiny!  and WOA was she full of spunk..even as 
  bad off as she was...she uttered one little valiant hiss at usthen she 
  smeeled the food..adn forgot she was afraid..We wrapped her up in my sweater 
  adn ran inside the store..at which point she decided to start SCREAMING at 
  us...(needless to say we got some strange looks from customers)   
  Once I had her settled in a little box..I realized how bad off she wasonly 
  weighing 1 lb (mabey a bit more) and she looked to be about 4 months 
  oldshe was SICK..her eyes sealed shut with gunk, something had attacked 
  her...picked her right up..she had scratches on one side and a abcess on the 
  othershe ate an entire cann of Friskiesafter she was done ..this 
  little tiny soul...who more than likely had never known a kind human..or one 
  at allwas begging to be petted..she would jsut purr, and purr, and 
  purr..you would have never thought a sound so deafening could come out of such 
  a little body..then 3 days later my heart sank..we found she was FeLV +... 
  I was so scared and torn..she had touched my heart so much...just in those 3 
  days.I decided to try and save her...and I did...she fought so hard..put 
  up with me poking and proding her, shoving God knows what down her throat to 
  get meds,and extra nurishment into her...we were fighting alot...she had FeLV, 
  was anemic very badly, had worms, a kitten flu, and URI, an abcess on her 
  side...it took a whole 3 days for her to even have a bowl or urine movement at 
  all..her body absorbed everythingand she took it..with out so much as a 
  complaint...she was so strong...on her check up her blood values were better 
  and she had gained 2 lbs..in a WEEK.we were on the roadbut still I had 
  to figure out how to beat this FeLV..I didn't know what it was.So I got on 
  line..and everything I found was so disheartening..tehn I found this ONE LONE 
  SITEthe FeLV siteand it changed mine..and her lifeI got the 
  Interferon, researched supplements, you name it..she got it...and she kept 
  growing and growing.and getting more and more spunky..this little girl had 
  life in her.How would she handle the dogs Hum...well that didn't 
  go over very well (mabey a dog attacked her???)  more work to do..she 
  had to be able to get along with them..adn not stress herself outso we 
  worked,and slowly but surely she was ok...adn tehn even liked the dogs..and 
  would play with my mini dachshund Lancelot...they would play "hide and go 
  pounce"  which in their terms was taking turns chasing each other around 
  teh house..(and let me tell you...it is awful funny to see a 10 dog run by 
  with a  4 lb kitten on his tail..with her tail up in the air..in hot 
  pursuit)...then she would jump onto a chair..adn he would be looking all 
  over for her with no luck..when she would POUNCE on top of him..and off they 
  would go again...for hours!!!  She had such a love for life she slept 
  with us every day...every night before bed and every morning before we got up 
  we would play "cover monsters" where she would attack the evil moving thing 
  under the coversthen in came her kitty brotherwho we trapped feral, 
  fearing he was related to her..as similar as they were...and that he too would 
  have this awful disease..well he didn't ..YEA..but what to do now..more 
  researchwe let them live togeather..SHE HATED HIM..absloutly loathed 
  him..she would hiss and attack (a whole nother side of my "angel" I had 
  never seen  )   Indy...bless his heart just kept insisiting she 
  like him though...he took her abuse and purred and cued back to herhow 
  could he have not won her over?  
   
  Then one summer we got a chance to got to the outer banks of NC for 
  vacationfor free..couldn't pass that up...but what about Akira..couldn't 
  trust anyone to care for her...to make sure she got the perfect balance of 
  supplements...so she came with us on a 8 hr drive and a 3 hr ferry ride...and 
  she was a champ..slept in my lap the whole time...adn once we got to the 
  house..she of course hidin a closet..but soon she was out and 
  about..exploringa

Re: Andy is gone

[Del Daniels]

Jamie,
 
I am so sorry Andy has left you but you have such 
sweet, sweet memories.  How wonderful to have compassionate vet and techs 
at this terrible time of your life.
 
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jamie 
  Laws 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:47 PM
  Subject: Andy is gone
  
  
  Thanks to all of you who took the time to respond about Andy.  I do 
  appreciate it.  Barb, Sharon, Yvonne, Terrie, Belinda and anyone else I 
  may have missed- it was good to hear from you again.  To the others- it 
  was good to "meet" you for the first time.
   
  I did take him to the vet first thing this morning.  Dr. Caldwell 
  was in surgery so I saw Dr. Baxter instead.  Also a very nice man.  
  Every person in that place has just been wonderful!  He looked at Andy's 
  chart and said he hoped I didn't think of them as "bad" since my very first 
  experience there has been this ordeal with my baby boy.  
   
  Anyway, he was very straight forward and said while he wanted to commend 
  me on an outstanding job taking care of a Felv+ cat for this long, that there 
  was not much he could do and that this was the beginning of the end.  
  Whatever was going on had his insides in shreds.  The vet said even if I 
  WANTED him to run tests, he was 99% sure that Andy would not come out of the 
  sedation in that state.  Barb- it was so strange.  He held up Andy's 
  face so we were eye to eye and said "Mrs. Laws, tell me, do you really see 
  Andy there anymore?"  And the answer was no.  So I started bawling 
  and babbling about how I didn't warn my husband that this was a possibility 
  this morning and he just went to work without saying goodbye.  I mean I 
  was a crying freak and I just met the man!  So he gave me a small TOWEL 
  and said I was not having a "Kleenex cry" so to take a towel.  Then he 
  told me we were not making the call right now, and not like that.  He 
  gave him a bag of fluids and a shot of Prednisone and told me to talk to my 
  husband first.  I went back to work, then came and got Andy at 
  lunch.  I took him home and spent the afternoon with him.  He pooped 
  blood all over himself TWICE.  The second time I was washing him off in 
  the sink and he had one of his episodes (Dr. Baxter said these were probably 
  small strokes rather than seizures).  But this time it lasted a long, 
  long time.  He quit breathing and went limp in my arms.  No noise, 
  no chest movement.  He was gone.  So I laid him on the floor on the 
  towel and my phone rang, it was my husband.  So I was hysterical 
  telling him Andy just died in my arms and I was freaking out.  Right 
  then, Andy let out this gaspy, panting type breath and started 
  convulsing.  Then he just kind of sat up a little bit like nothing 
  happened!  But he was dead I tell you.  So then I really freaked out 
  and said "he's not dead!"  I mean screaming it.  So Abe (husband) 
  asked what freeway the new vet was off of since he was on his way 
  home.  I told him where it was and he just said "I am 
  meeting you there right now."  So I knew.  I was not going to keep 
  him through the night to spend a little more time together.   That 
  was it.  He was suffering and I was thinking of what 
  I needed to be okay and not Andy.  I wrapped him in 
  a towel and drove to the vet.  I called first and again, just crying into 
  the phone I managed to get out "I had my cat in there this morning and..." 
  that's all I could get out.  The poor girl who answered said "I'm so 
  sorry Jamie, we will see you in a minute."  She knew my name and I 
  hadn't even mentioned the cat's name.  Guess I was the only bawling woman 
  in with a cat today.  Anyway, I managed to choke out "but you close 
  in 15 minutes."  She just said "we'll be here."  It was so 
  wonderful to be treated with compassion.  My old vet would have said 
  "well ER hours start in 15 minutes so just be prepared to pay double."  
  
   
  Anyway, I met Abe there and Dr. Baxter took us back to the treatment 
  area.  Andy laid on the table very still and I petting him and kissed his 
  little face as the vet gave him the injection.  I have never 
  witnessed an animal bing PTS in real life.  I'm sorry if 
  this is all too graphic but it helps me to get it out.  I was surprised 
  that his eyes didn't close and nothing changed.  I didn't realize he was 
  gone until the vet said "ok, his heart stopped."  Then I lost 
  it.  The "never agains" hit me like a ton of bricks.  He 
  will never do his cold nose bumping and tiny front teeth nipping on my 
  husband's inner arm trying to get him to pet him.  He will never serve as 
  my "fun police" when I want my great dane to stop bringing his toy to 
  me.  I would just lay it on the coffee table right next to Andy who was 
  always ready with his right hook.  That kept Apollo in check.  He 
  would NOT go for that toy if Andy was sitting by it.  :)  I will 
  never agai

Re: Jenn/your posts-a question

[Del Daniels]

I agree - this is not reader-friendly.  Older 
here, too.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barbara 
  Lowe 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:06 
PM
  Subject: Jenn/your posts-a question
  
  Hi Jenn, i don't know if it's just me(and getting 
  older) but the dark background and small type is hard to read. can you change 
  your font(is that the right word?) (or computer illiterate me--is there a way 
  I can change it?)
  thanks,
  barbara
   

Re: Jenn/your posts-a question

[Del Daniels]

Wow, isn't that strange.  I received your 
e-mails with itty-bitty print and dark background.  This one you sent the 
print is normal, not huge.  Whe I send e-mail on this addy, no matter how 
large a font I use, it shows up like this.  However, when I use my aol 
addy, I can sned larger print.  Sometimes if it is long and difficult to 
read, I copy/paste and send things to myself so I can change it to a more 
readable text for ME.  Computers are wonderful and 
frustrating!
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:08 AM
  Subject: Re: Jenn/your posts-a 
  question
  I don't have a dark background. Someone else told me I did too, 
  weird,because I DO NOT have it set up to have ANY background colors, and I 
  do notsee it myself. But, I can set my posts to plain text, and that will 
  probablyfix it. I don't like using plain text because the text is so big I 
  have toscroll down top read more than 15 lines at a time, but I do not 
  know whysome people see a dark background either, and I don't know of any 
  other wayto fix it (since it doesn't exist as far as my computer is 
  concerned) thanto set all my messages to plain text. Let me try a few 
  things here IHATE this huge ugly font, maybe I can fix it and still 
  use plaint 
  text.Jenn~~~I 
  collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs 
  catwho must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's 
  caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add upuntil 
  she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels 
  for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the 
  mailing address youcan send them to, to help feed Bazil!-- 
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Re: Jenn/your posts-a question

[Del Daniels]

Hey, this is great - I didn't know about the "view" 
thing.  Thank you many times over!
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: Jenn/your posts-a 
  question
  
  Well, I made it a bit bigger, anymore and my 
  signature wont wrap correctly, hope it helps. Nothing I can do about the 
  background, sorry, if I make it any lighter, I wont be able to look at it 
  myself (I'm a bit disabled with the vision problem, sorry). I did lighten it 
  as much as I can, it's now light gray, instead of medium gray. (Or it should 
  be, anyways, but then someone told me it was purple, and I have no idea how 
  that happened, so who's to say what color it really is? You tell me, 
  OK?)
   
  You can change the text size of any email or 
  webpage on your own computer, assuming you are using a Windows computer, and 
  running Outlook Express for your email. I'm using Windows 2000 and Outlook 
  Express 6, and on my screen, if you look at the top of this message's window, 
  do you see where it says "View"? If you see that, click on it, and then that 
  will open a drop down menu, then mouse over where it says "Text Size", and 
  then that should open up some options of smallest, small, medium, bigger, and 
  biggest (or something to that effect). Just choose to make it bigger. That 
  works for any email. The same option exists in Internet Explorer (just fish 
  around in the menus at the top of your window, and you'll find it eventually), 
  if you ever go to a website with the text too small to read. It may not be in 
  exactly the same place on your computer if you are running Windows 98 or 
  Windows XP, but so long as you are running some version of Outlook Express for 
  your email, it should be there to fix the text sizes in email for you. I'm 
  running Outlook Express 6, but it should be the same in older (or newer) 
  versions, with minor grammatical changes. 
   
  Now, if you're going to a website (like your 
  ISP's website, or yahoo, or hotmail) to check your emails, then I am not 
  sure you can do anything on your end to make it bigger.
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~I 
  collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
  must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
  collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a 
  free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for 
  Bazil!
   
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
  you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  
  

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Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

[Del Daniels]

You don't sound crazed, you sound like a wonderful 
person who is full of caring.  We all have regrets and have learned by our 
experiences.  Pets to Bones and hugs to you.
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:31 AM
  Subject: Re: emergency advice on starved 
  cat needed
  
  I look at it this way... if they wanted the cat 
  in the first place, they would have posted her as missing at all the local 
  vet's offices, so I've done enough already. 
   
  I just went to tend to her, and she can't get 
  up. Her back is very unstable now. She is going to need surgery to stabilize 
  the fractures (I am sure it is her back now). I'm going to call around 
  tomorrow and see how much it is going to cost. If there is any way I can get 
  her fixed, I will do it. I REFUSE to let this happen AGAIN. It's almost as if 
  I have been given another chance to do the right thing this time. I don't know 
  if you remember me ever telling you guys about Do-Dah... he broke his back, 
  and at the time I was told to euthanise him and was not given any other 
  options, and even if I had had them at the time, I could never have raised the 
  funds to get him fixed (I was 8 months pregnant at the time and couldn't 
  work). Then there was KiKi, he was hit by a car and I did not get to him in 
  time, and he died because I wasn't responsible enough to keep him indoors. And 
  then Moogie, who looked as sick as this cat did when I first got her, she 
  died, and I've already gotten Bones past that point with home nursing. 
  This is SO deja-vu, it's almost pushing me in the direction of believing in a 
  higher power. KiKi was hit by a car, most likely this cat was too; Do-Dah 
  broke his back, most likely this cat has too; Moogie was bone thin, 
  dehydrated, and weak, this cat was too. I've regretted my mistakes the last 
  time for years, and have always wanted to "make it right", and now, here it 
  is, right in front of me. I am NOT going to let this cat die from injuries 
  that can be fixed. I don't care if I have to work 60 hour weeks and beg on the 
  street with a tin cup. I'm going to find out which vet around here can DO this 
  kind of surgery tomorrow, and I'm going to ask them if I can arrange to send 
  donations directly to their office. If that's doable, then I will do a very in 
  depth donations campaign online and see if I can get some funding that way 
  too. Of course, I plan to spend every dime I have to spare on her too. Pay 
  rent, buy cat food, buy the minimal amount of human groceries, and put 
  everything else into Bones. I am NOT going to be forced into the same corner 
  again, I refuse to take no for an answer this time. I will buy this cat a 
  wheelchair if she needs one. This is not happening to me again! If this is 
  some sort of test, I will pass it, If this is some sort of redemption, I will 
  be redeemed. I am not going to fail, I will not let this cat down! I know I 
  must sound crazed, but if you had been in my shoes, you would be this way 
  too.
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~I 
  collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
  must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
  collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a 
  free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for 
  Bazil!
   
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
  you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  
  

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Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

[Del Daniels]

Effie loved her kitty heating pad and I ordered it 
from one of the pet supply places.  It is lightly warm and she was 
comfortable for hours.  
Do you suppose she has one at the 
Bridge?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 12:19 AM
  Subject: Re: emergency advice on starved 
  cat needed
  
  Thanks, I gave her a very small kitten litter 
  pan, but you are right, she still hurts when she gets into it (it has 3 inch 
  tall sides). I was thinking I needed something shallower, and you are right, I 
  DO have a 9x11 Pyrex baking pan that would be ideal! Thanks for reminding me! 
  
   
  She seems the most comfortable if she is on a 
  heating pad. I have one of those microwavable ones (with the soft gel inside), 
  but it gets cold after a couple of hours, and then I have to move her a little 
  to get it out and re-heat it. Does anyone know of a brand of electric 
  heating pad that does not get too hot, but just warm? It's been my experience 
  that most electric heating pads get too hot to lay on for extended periods, 
  and I'm not sure she CAN get up on her own if it gets too hot. Brenda, the 
  Sphynx rescue lady I help out even had a kitten DIE from being left on a 
  heating pad, so I'm being very cautious.
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~Hi, 
  To help her not to move very much and not to step very high you maywant to 
  try the following: For a "Litter Pan" that is easy to use takeapart a 
  carrier, using the bottom part put a large "Pyrex" pan filledwith litter 
  in it. The reason for this is using the bottom of thecarrier with cut down 
  on the litter being kicker all over the place. Andthe reason for the 
  "Pyrex" pan is due to its weight  it will not betipped over and also 
  it is so easy to disinfect. 
  
  

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Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service

[Del Daniels]

Gloria, good thoughts and prayers that Sam will 
return.  How scary and him being old.  They become disoriented when 
they are not familiar with the outdoors.  Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gloria B. 
  Lane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:54 PM
  Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight 
  Service
  Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, 
  special needs list?  Sam is lost.  He belonged to an older lady 
  whose family we know.  She became sick and  I found a foster 
  home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he 
  hasn't been seen since.  Susan and I've been going over and passing 
  out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 
  year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of.  
  Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks 
  -Gloria

Re: meet_Jersey

[Del Daniels]

He is beautiful!  Does he let his tongue stay 
out a bit like that a lot?  My Santiago does that when he is being 
petted.  Pets to Jersey.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  stany 
  petrov 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:07 PM
  Subject: meet_Jersey
  
  
  
  Hi all again,
  I just forgot that 2 months ago I put a picture of Jersey in a photography 
  contest online. 
  You can see him here:
  http://www.usa101.com/en/usaodav/pv_photo.php?entry_id=7508
  Stan

Interferon mixing question re refreezing

[Del Daniels]

I have the initial mix of Interferon with saline 
frozen in 99 syringes - used up the first syringe which was mixed into 
saline and frozen (first freeze) in 100 syringes.
My question:  Now I need to mix another batch 
... thaw a concentrated syringe and mix with saline will provide 100 syringes of 
ready-to-use ...CAN I FREEZE THESE?  If not, I will only use three months 
of interferon from this batch, and will have to mix another batch in three 
months.  Which would be okay, I just need to know.  If it can refreeze 
a second time I will have some to last a looong time.  Presently have 
three kitties taking it.
I hope I have made my question clear.
 
Del>^.^

Re: Jersey.....

[Del Daniels]

Stan,
 
I am sorry for your loss of Jersey.  You were 
a good daddy and he knew you loved him.  
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  stany 
  petrov 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:49 
  PM
  Subject: Jersey.
  
  
  
  I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am.
  He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the 
  vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late...
  I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. 
  He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just 
  a little bit water. He was also very anemic.
  I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, 
  please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005)
  I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the 
  letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out 
  something I have to know for my future pets.
  I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable 
  than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days 
  I lerant many many new things for the cats.
   I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going 
  after it is still a nice one.
  On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for 
  their life till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). 
  
  And not the vets but God knows how long our pets will live.
  I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It 
  will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortunteller Vanga used to 
  say.
  By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox 
  left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome 
  to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them.
  See you later,
  Stan>From: Belinda Sauro 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: 
  Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Subject: Jersey>Date: Wed, 01 Jun 
  2005 11:40:48 -0700>>Hi 
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Re: Interferon mixing question re refreezing

[Del Daniels]

Unless I hear otherwise from someone, that is what 
I thought ... that it could only be frozen ONE time.   Anyone else 
know?
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:14 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Interferon mixing question 
  re refreezing
  
  I was told to NOT re-freeze the final dilution, 
  but that was several years ago, and maybe the advise has changed these days. I 
  believe I was told, refrigerated, the final dilution has a 2 to 3 month shelf 
  life.
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~I 
  collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
  must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
  collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a 
  free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for 
  Bazil!
   
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
  you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  
  

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Re: Tad's Sammy

[Del Daniels]

Tad,
 
What a story about your Sammy and his 
history.  The cancer was awful, isn't amazing and scary how aggressively 
fast it can grow.  You are wonderful to have cared for him and your other 
kitties.  My sympathies to you for your loss. 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tad 
  Burnett 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:21 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Tad's Sammy
  Thank you all for the kind words about Sammy...Sammy did 
  have a full life and an interesting story...He originally came to me as SD 
  named after theSuffuc Downs horse race track near Boston MA.where he 
  came from...When feeding the ferals therethere was one cat that came up to 
  be patted andpicked up...They decided to rescue him and whenthey 
  brought a carrier for him he walked in himself... They brought 
  him to the vet for a check up..FeLV+...But he was such a good boy they 
  decided to tryone time on the internet...I had spent some timein that 
  area years ago so I wrote back and said Iwould take 
  him... His teeth were all rotten and he had to be 
  neuteredbefore I could bring him home but from the very1st moment that 
  I saw him he was my cat..He joinedthe others in my FeLV room with no 
  problem at alland he always slept by my head at night... He 
  liked to sit in the window and watch outside...He would have liked to go 
  outside againButone day soon after I got  him it was 
  snowingand he jumped in the window and took one lookand jumped back 
  down...He knew what snow wasand didn't want to be outside that 
  day A while later I got a call from the rescue person 
  thatI had gotten him from and they found a worker at thetrack that had 
  asked about him...It seems there wasan old woman that had lived in one of 
  the horse barnsand his name was Sammy and he had lived with the 
  oldwoman but she had cancer and had passed away...The man was happy 
  that Sammy had a good homebecause he knew him from 
  before. Sammy was old and I feed him special food which 
  heate well but never put on much weight and he hadarthritis but he 
  never showed any sign of anythingunusual until Saturday night when he 
  didn't finish his foodthe way he usually did and was shacking his 
  head...I thought it might be one of his remaining teeth...Then on 
  Sunday he just looked at his food but wouldn'teat...An hour later I found 
  him with blood coming outof his mouthThe vet said to watch him and put 
  me onfor early appointment for Monday morning.Mondaymorning he 
  couldn't close his mouth with a huge swellingunder his 
  tongue... The vet said it was most likely a cancer tumor with 
  aburst blood vessel and the whole lower jaw was involved...He would 
  have had to remove the lower jaw to get ridof it and because of his age he 
  probably wouldn't havemade itHe was in pain and the only humain thing 
  todo was to help him on to the Rainbow Bridge It all 
  happened so quickly that I was just studded by it alland I miss my old 
  friend but perhaps I will get to see himagain If you 
  would add his name to the CLS list that would be 
  nice.. Tad 

Re: Sam is FOUND!

[Del Daniels]

Wonderful news Gloria!  Betcha you did the 
meow-meow yourself all the way home :)
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gloria B. 
  Lane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:09 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Sam is FOUND!
  Just want everybody to know that we FOUND SAM!Someone 
  called me at 9:30 or so this morning, saying that she'd seen our poster in 
  the mini-mart, and saw a cat like Sam's description at her house.  I 
  went right over, and there was Sam under her van in the driveway. 
  Wow!I couldn't squeeze under the van, but stretched out and gave 
  Sam some Fancy Feast.  I had to slide out at bit and at some point 
  Sam got scared and ran into the back yard.  We attracted some of the 
  neighborhood kids, too.Long story short, he jumped over a fence, went 
  under a vacant house, where there was a live possum and an armadillo, so 
  pretty soon he was outa there - I was glad!  Headed for the next 
  house and under it.  By that time, Susan made it over to where it was 
  all happening.Fortunately, the house he was under had only one 
  opening, and had a pretty neat large crawl space.  He kept hiding 
  behind the big air conditioning stuff and we couldn't get to 
  him.Susan - in spite of spiders, dirt  and claustrophobia - 
  crawled under and set a couple of traps laced with cat food, mackerel, 
  salmon juice, and a cup of milk.  We sat in the driveway just about 
  all day, except for a 2 hour break, checking under the house and eating 
  junk food.About 9:15 or so tonight, Sam just walked up to the access 
  door. Susan said, he's right there!  We talked to him and I reached 
  my hand in and petted him, I think he remembered me - nd pretty soon 
  grabbed him.  He tried to get away, and Susan scruffed him and got 
  him to the car and WE GOT OUR SAM BACK - YEAA! He was doing the Siamese 
  meow-meow all the way home, and it was great to hear!Thanks to you 
  all for all your wonderful help!!Gloria> > 
  >-Original Message-> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria 
  B.> >Lane> > >Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 
  PM> > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  > >Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service> > 
  >> > >> > >Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the 
  Candlelight Service, special> > >needs list? Sam is lost. He 
  belonged to an older lady whose family> > >we know. She became 
  sick and I found a foster home.> > >> > >The foster 
  mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't> > 
  >been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out> 
  > >flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.> > 
  >> > >Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside 
  before that I> > >know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes 
  are appreciated.> > >> > >Thanks -> > 
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Re: Update on Bronx Nuns

[Del Daniels]

Title: Message



Big hugs to Pets Alive for offering to take these 
kitties.  And these nuns have not decided whether to allow the volunteers 
to save the kitties?  Boy, they really have a mean streak!  If they 
want the cats out of there they should be overjoyed at the offer.  I'm not 
the only one angry about this, am I.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Doljan, Joan 
  To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:55 
  AM
  Subject: Update on Bronx Nuns
  
  UPDATE JUNE 7TH 2005"Pets Alive" Offers Sanctuary to Corpus Christi 
  Monastery Cats(June 7, 
  2005 / 7 pm EST) In an exemplary show of compassion, Sara Whalen, head of 
  Pets Alive <_javascript_:ol('http://www.petsalive.com');> 
  , has offered to provide a new home for 
  the seven feral cats now facing starvation and possible impoundment and death 
  at the hands of the nuns of the Corpus Christi Monastery in the Bronx, New 
  York. The grounds of the monastery have been home to the neutered and 
  rabies-vaccinated cats for the past eight years. Sister Helen, Vicar of the 
  Religious Office for the Archdiocese of NY, has stated that the nuns of the 
  monastery are considering whether to allow volunteers to trap and remove the 
  cats so they can be transferred to Pets Alive.We hope compassion will 
  prevail and all parties will agree to this solution. The cats have now not 
  been fed for six days and 
counting.

Interferon

[Del Daniels]

I ordered mine from Island Pharmacy in 
Wisconsin   www.islandpharmacy.com 
It is not the only place.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barbara Baass 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:31 
  PM
  Subject: RE: thanking for the incredible 
  support system
  
  
  Where do all of you get the interferon? I 
  need to get some for Samson's mouth.
  Barbara 
  Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  



Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start another 
FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to lose her, you 
had to lose all the good people too.
I've never belonged to any other web group of any 
sort, so I've landed real lucky in finding this one. Totally agree--everyone 
is so generous and supportive as well as incredibly 
knowledgeable. 
I 
can't understand what gets into people when they behave like the one you 
describe. They clearly have "Issues" and instead of facing up to them, 
they just make everyone else suffer. It's such a shame and so 
unnecessary. 

-Original Message-From: 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo 
YamamotoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:43 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: thanking for the incredible 
support system

I know people on this list make 
a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all 
the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need 
the support for that matter – 
I really love this list as we 
can talk about anything (any OT stuff) – 
I used to be on FIP list since I 
have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs – 
but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean – if you questions 
anything she says she gets made and took you off the list – she only 
believes in certain treatment and she doesn’t let you argue about it 
otherwise – and she does not allow any OT subjects – I really liked everyone 
else on that list, but couldn’t stand the mediator (and so did other people 
on the list) –
 
Anyway, thank you so very much 
for your support – don’t’ know what to do without you guys – I am glad that 
I found you!

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Re: Vitamin C questions

[Del Daniels]

I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats 
... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how 
gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI?
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gloria 
  Lane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace
  Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html 
  and click on the "magazine"  link.  He has links for "products" 
  and that's where they are.GloriaOn Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 
  AM, Nina wrote:> Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid 
  was really  > unpleasant tasting?  I like to sup my IBD cat 
  Gypsy with B and it  > tastes so awful that she won't eat anything 
  it's mixed in.  I do  > have the injectable, but I hate the 
  shots as much as she does.  Can  > I find the sups your 
  talking about by doing a Goggle search on the  > Drs' 
  names?> Nina>> Gloria B. Lane 
  wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is 
  actually a combination of  >> C with other nutrients.  And 
  ordered his B complex liquid-   >> initially to try with a 
  friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done  >> that.  I use 
  PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also 
  ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it  >> 
  with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis  
  >> (sp).  Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus 
  lysine.   >> Something helped, he got 
  better. Gloria>> At 
  10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote:>>> What 
  did you order, and what is it suppose to help with?>>> 
  N>> Gloria B. Lane 
  wrote:>> Right, those are 
  the sups I use, except I've ordered some   laterly 
  from Dr. Belfield.  It gets hard to give lots of  
   supplements, 
  sometimes. 
  Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you 
  wrote:> Hi 
  Gloria,> Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis.  I 
  used to give it every  > day, along with Vita C, 
  and Co-Q10.  Now I just add supplements  > 
  periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom.  Everyone's  
  > been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, 
  stress  > formula.  I'm out of Interferon A, 
  I usually put them on that  > when they have 
  symptoms too.  I do have some VO in the box, I  
  > may start her on that.> 
  Nina

Re: thank you - chemo

[Del Daniels]

My Effie was diagnosed Lymphoma a year 
ago mid-June and with chemo and prednisone, she survived quite well until 
February 05, and extra 7 months.  
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 1:29 PM
  Subject: thank you
  > I just want to thank you all for your responses we are 
  having many problems (with leuk) right now and she is just topping off my 
  plate right now.  Just hearing others ideas is noce even if I've already 
  tried/thought about them it means I'm thinking on the right tract and it is 
  very nice support.I Didn't mention before because I wasn't (am still 
  not) really able to talk about it right now but my 1 year old male was 
  diagnosed 1 week ago with a large chest mass, and then Monday we found out 
  that he has lymphoma in his bone marrow, liver, GI, and even in his blood 
  supply.  I will eventually accept his mortality and keep you all posted 
  on his condition but until then thank you again for all your suggestions and 
  support.Again thank you the support is so wonderful, 
Kristi

Re: chemo

[Del Daniels]

Same here, Effie began with Elspar and then Cytoxan pill.  On 
that Friday morning she had labored breathing and whistling with the chest 
mass pressing inside her, had chemo ... by Monday she was playing again and 
breathing fine.  I can understand why you would not choose chemo since 
he was that freaked out.   Give him lots of kisses.
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 2:40 PM
  Subject: Re: chemo
  
  
  Oh, how horrible.  I think you are doing the right thing about the 
  chemo if he is that stressed by it, actually.  What your vet said about 
  the steroid shots does not make ANY sense to me at all. If he is on pred, he 
  can do steroid shots. In fact, when Simon, my hearthrob boy with a similar 
  personality, came out of partial remission from chemo and his liver values got 
  so bad that the oncologist said he could not do any more chemo and I should 
  take him home to die, upon my request he gave him a depo shot and a dex 
  shot.  I then gave him another dex shot the next day at home. I don't 
  know if you were on the list at that point, but I and everyone else on the 
  list thought he was dying. I stopped all medical treatment and force-feedings 
  and just held him for days. he got to the point he could not stand on his 
  own.  And then suddenly one night, three days after last eating, he sat 
  up in the night and asked for water, then food, and by morning was walking 
  around and his jaundice was almost gone. I took him to the oncologist and his 
  liver values were down so far he could get chemo, and he went back into 
  partial remission for a month and felt really great-- running and playing and 
  the works.  So if he could get tons of steroids when the oncologist 
  thought he was sending him home to die, I do not see why your cat can't.  
  The oncologist's explanation for Simon getting better was that the steroids 
  shrunk the lymphoma in his liver and bone marrow, but that it still took a few 
  days for his body to flush the bilirubin out enough to make him feel 
  better.  So the steroids really gave him another shot.
   
  Thinking about the chemo again, which chemo did your vet give him? 
  Because Elspar is the one they normally start with if a cat is already sick, 
  and it is just a subcutaneous shot I think.  It is not IV or 
  anything.  And it sometimes kills off a lot of the lymphoma in itself and 
  makes them feel better.  And Cytoxin is just a pill, and that is one of 
  the other ones that they do second or third. is there a way he can just get 
  those two, neither of which are IV, and the steroids?
   
  Michelle
   
  In a message dated 6/12/2005 3:25:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Thanx michelle- we tried chemo but he was fighting and screaming 
and trying to bite. None of which he has ever done at the vet, in fact he is 
a very tolerant cat.  He is on prednisone instead. I elected not to do 
the chemo, I'd rather him not have to deal with even if it will make him 
feel better if he hates it that much.  I asked about steroid injections 
but my vet said no due to the advanced stage- not sure of the exact medical 
reason though.  I'll pick their brains on Monday- thanx for that 
tip.  He had absolutely no symptoms until June 1st and was 
diagnosed on June 4thHe had a clear chest xray in February.  Its 
one of the fastest moving we've seen yet.  We actually do alot of chemo 
(both positives and negatives) The results are great for negatives and your 
right it does help the positives for atleast a couple months more often than 
not, I wish he would let me, but maybe he already knows what I don't 
yet.  In the meantime he seems to be comfortable, he has trouble 
swalowing and he is hungry and tries to eat which is the worst part of it 
yet.  His borthers and sisters are being very comforting to him and he 
spends his days sleeping right inthe middle of the walkways in our house, 
he's still using his box and like I said eating a little bit.  I have a 
feeling though that he's almost ready.  It sooo sad he is sooo young 
and was definately the hearthtrob of the house, you know those cats that 
anytime your friends meet him he was always there favorite because he 
would!  climb your leg if he had to for attention, he was a very 
kissy man, and stuck in everyone's minds.  Even my boyfriends friends 
(not the biggest cat crowd) are really sad about him.  They are all so 
special in their own way- but some are extrodinary.
  

Re: Vitamin C questions - Gloria

[Del Daniels]

Did you begin with 250 mg Vitamin C without kitty 
having diarrhea?
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gloria 
  Lane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions
  Hey there Del!  Good point - absolutely,  it can 
  cause diarrhea in  animals and in people.  If so, you back off 
  of the quantity a little,  and keep doing that till no 
  diarrhea.I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow 
  Light  Powder.  The bottle of Belfields Vit C  has 
  directions - but  they're  downstairs, and I can't remember what 
  it says.  But in general, I've  always used about 200-500mg 
  daily (if I can get disciplined enough to  do daily).  Start 
  low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up.Dr. Belfield is 
  the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative  after several 
  months of the Vit C therapy.  Well my # of cats  increased, and 
  my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to  adjust myself 
  for a while. Have to start it back up.Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's 
  book that said, for upper  respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit 
  C, plus 250mg Lysine twice  daily.  I used to do that for Lucy, 
  and it worked well - she died in  2001, I 
  think.GloriaOn Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels 
  wrote:> I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what 
  is a  > starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and 
  how gradual  > can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during 
  an URI?>> Del> - Original Message -> From: 
  Gloria Lane> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM> Subject: Re: Supplements - 
  Grace>> Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html 
  and click on the "magazine"> link.  He has links for "products" 
  and that's where they are.>> Gloria>>> On 
  Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote:>> > Thanks Gloria, do 
  you know if the B complex liquid was really> > unpleasant 
  tasting?  I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it> > 
  tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in.  I do> 
  > have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does.  
  Can> > I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search 
  on the> > Drs' names?> > Nina> >> > 
  Gloria B. Lane wrote:> >> >> >> I ordered 
  Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of> >> C 
  with other nutrients.  And ordered his B complex liquid-> >> 
  initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done> 
  >> that.  I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in 
  it.> >>> >> Also ordered a liquid supplement form 
  Dr. elfield, and used it> >> with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan 
  now) that had stomatitis> >> (sp).  Actually, gave him that, 
  plus interferon, plus lysine.> >> Something helped, he got 
  better.> >>> >> Gloria> >>> 
  >>> >> At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote:> 
  >>> >>> >>> What did you order, and what is 
  it suppose to help with?> >>> N> >>>> 
  >>> Gloria B. Lane wrote:> >>>> 
  >>>> >>>> Right, those are the sups I use, except 
  I've ordered some> >>>> laterly from Dr. Belfield.  It 
  gets hard to give lots of> >>>> supplements, 
  sometimes.> >>>>> >>>> Gloria> 
  >>>>> >>>> At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you 
  wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> 
  >>>>> Hi Gloria,> >>>>> Yes, I use Lysine 
  on a regular basis.  I used to give it every> >>>>> 
  day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10.  Now I just add supplements> 
  >>>>> periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom.  
  Everyone's> >>>>> been getting sups lately, along with 
  Transfer Factor, stress> >>>>> formula.  I'm out of 
  Interferon A, I usually put them on that> >>>>> when 
  they have symptoms too.  I do have some VO in the box, I> 
  >>>>> may start her on that.> >>>>> 
  Nina> >>>>>> >>>>> 
  >>>>> >>>> >>>> 
  >>>> >>> >>> >>> 
  >>> >>> >> >> >> 
  >>>

Re: Misha

[Del Daniels]




Have you tried adding Prozyme to a premium 
non-grain canned food, it may help.  I use Wellness but there are 
others.
Also, one of my guys was quite poopy until he began IVD 
(fm vet) Venison and Green Pea kibble.  In a few days, he firmed up and for 
the past three months no diarrhea.
Confining kitty to one room and spreading 
sheets/towels on the floor helps cleaning up.  A large dog crate or tall 
kitty wire kitty condo will confine and you can give Misha periodic 
"recesses" into the room.  
I had three kittens with a few months of constant 
dripping; later an adult cat with the constant oozies for two months.  Been 
there with the clean up.
Good luck.
 
Del
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:30 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Misha
  For Misha's family,I don't know what your vet is talking 
  about.  FelV is not "attacking" her intestines.  The problem with 
  FeLV is that it weakens their immune systems and they have a tough time 
  fighting off any other ailments, like colds etc.  They are more prone to 
  cancers too unfortunately, and the "drippy butt" symptom could be a sign of 
  intestinal lymphoma.  How long has Misha had diarrhea?  From the 
  little you told us about her symptoms it sounds like some sort of IBD 
  (intestinal bowel disease) problem.  You need more help from your 
  vet.  He needs to be treating whatever problems Misha has in the same way 
  he would any other cat, (except quicker, with no 'wait and see' type 
  attitude).  IBD, (we don't know if this is Misha's problem), is usually 
  treated with diet change.  Some cats need to be taken off all dry food, 
  sometimes they can't tolerate grains, sometimes vegetables, sometimes 
  both.  The people on the IBD list I belong to, (my Gypsy has a nasty case 
  of IBD), advocate a raw diet (the group is: 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/  )  This was the only 
  thing that helped my cat, but you can try getting her off dry food and on one 
  of the better canned foods first. Stick with one type of protein, (chicken, 
  duck etc.), to help her system adjust.   There are also many homeopathic 
  remedies that can help cats with diarrhea too, go to http://www.abchomeopathy.com/ and 
  click on "remedy finder" to search for help with diarrhea.  Vets usually 
  prescribe steroids, (way too soon, imo), you want to try and eliminate 
  whatever her system is reacting to first before you reach for the heavy 
  artillery.  When anyone has diarrhea, their body is essentially trying to 
  'get rid' of whatever is upsetting their systems by expelling it as fast as 
  they can.  It's like an allergy, you have to figure out what to give 
  Misha to eat that her body won't react to.  Go check out http://www.catnutrition.org/ for some 
  ideas.If your concern is the unhealthfulness of liquid diarrhea all 
  over your house, I completely understand.  You can confine Misha to a 
  single room, (make it as comfortable as possible and visit her often, she's 
  not going to understand why she's being locked away), until you get the 
  'leaking butt' under control.  If you are worried about Felv effecting 
  you or your baby, your fears are unfounded.  FeLV can not be transmitted 
  to humans.  If your concern is Toxoplasmosis, you are more than likely 
  not in danger either, (please see recent archives addressing this 
  concern).  If you have had Misha with your other cats for six years, you 
  do not have to be concerned about separating them.  They either have Felv 
  already, or they're not going to get it.Good luck, I wish you and your 
  family the best,NinaPaul Jr wrote:
  Hey out there I need some sugeestions/feedback about
Misha and what we should do with her.

Misha is six years old and tested pos for FeLV. We have
had her for almost 6 1/2 years. She is in good health
and none of the other cats (all share the same wate
dish) have FeLV. Misha's FeLV shows up, according to
her vet by attacking her intestines. She has chronic
bouts of what we call drippy butt. She leaves little
presents aorund the house. She has been on various
medications and recently the vet suggested Kaopectate
or Pepto Bismo, which made her problem worse.(gave her
pain and lots of diahreha) I have read aobut
medications to treat FeLV, none of which cure it just
maybe ease the symptoms. Does anyone else have a cat
with this type of FeLv and if so what do you do? Also
give me some feedback. We live in Gainesville, Fl and
my husband and I are expecting our first child in the
end of July. We have considred putting Misha down but
she seems to have so much playfullness and affection
(most of the time) that we really hate to. Money is a
problem and we are both nervous about exposing a baby
to her. Thanks for the help! Melody

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Re: picture of Bones (OT)

[Del Daniels]

Ah! Bones is beautiful!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jenn 
  To: sphynx rescue yahoogroup ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:01 
  AM
  Subject: picture of Bones (OT)
  
  Hi everyone, I finally got a pic of Bones for 
  you all. Thanks to everyone for their support. She is doing GREAT! Sorry for 
  the OT post, but I knew everyone would want to see her:
  http://ucat.us/Bones.jpg 
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~I 
  collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
  must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
  collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a 
  free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for 
  Bazil!
   
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
  you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  
  

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Re: FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday

[Del Daniels]

>>Of the three cats removed, from what I recall her telling me over 
the phone:
One is white and has very nasty damaged curled up and crusty ears with open 
sores and scabs (possibly cancer, they are considering euthanasia)<<
Is this one of the FIV+ cats?  He sounds like an FIV+ I helped 
transport to AW maybe 2 years ago ... although I figure that kitty has already 
died.  This whole mess makes me sick to my stomach and my heart ache.  
And I am so full up here already with kitties.
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:49 
AM
  Subject: FELV and FIV cats removed from 
  Angel Wings yesterday
  
  
  UPDATE:
   
  
  "We seized 50-60 cats from Angel Wings yesterday.  Briefly, we found 
  10 dead cats in varying stages of decay.  Got 35 or so cats vetted.  
  3 were FeLV+ and 6 were FIV.  We want to get pictures of these guys up 
  quick.  Please call me if you need to.  We do not really have space 
  and resources, fosters etc.  If we find an owner, that would be 
  great."
   
  "It was worse than I thought, guess worse than 
  anyone thought.  I alternated between crying and puking.  
   
  Three FeLV cats so far.  All the cats look like crap, including 
  these.  Think there were 4, but one was in horrible shape and was 
  euthanized.  I am sure they photographed it though.  I was still 
  onsite catching cats and dogs.  The fleas were amazing.  I will have 
  to flea bomb my car now.  I know I have fleas crawling all over me 
  now.  Eek!
   
  Oh 
  then there were the dogs, many feral, lots of mange, lots of fleas.  Some 
  looked OK, can't figure why someone cares for some, and not the others.  
  This is such a crazy situation.  Guess crazy people are like 
  that.
   
  These poor guys look so bad, thin, little hair because of fleas, 
  etc, not sure anyone will recognize them.  Pitiful."  
  
   
  So far, FOUR FELV+ cats were recovered, one was 
  so sick that they humanely euthanised him. Three are in decent shape and need 
  to be rescued. There are still almost 30 cats that have not yet been vetted, 
  so the numbers may rise. Now, we need to figure out how to get them from 
  Tennessee to Tad in Vermont. I'm working on it. Pictures of all cats should be 
  available soon, so we can attempt to find pervious owners. That is the first 
  step, return as many cats as possible to their original owners if they will 
  take them back. We still have NO HOME for the FIV+ cats. The FIV+ cats are in 
  immediate danger of being euthanised if no foster homes come forward. Kara 
  said she could cope with 2 or 3, but she's already overwhelmed with the 
  numbers so far. 
   
  Of the three cats removed, from what I recall her telling me over the 
  phone:
  One is white and has very nasty damaged curled up and crusty ears with 
  open sores and scabs (possibly cancer, they are considering euthanasia)
  One is black and white
  One is a dilute gray tortoise shell calico
   
  All three cats are missing hair and extremely thin and in poor shape, so 
  matching them to photos is very difficult. I have advised them NOT to 
  euthanise ANY of them unless they are in obvious pain and are suffering, and 
  have advised blood transfusions for any severe anemia, though cost (and 
  donors) is a factor. All have severe flea infestations, and I have also 
  advised them NOT to use revolution on the sick and weak cats (which means 
  almost every cat removed).
   
  I will keep updating as more info comes 
  through.
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~I 
  collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
  must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
  collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a 
  free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for 
  Bazil!
   
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
  you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  
  

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Re: FELV and FIV cats removed from Angel Wings yesterday

[Del Daniels]

I found his picture from the transport, he was a 
very light himmy, August 02.  Bad ears and eyes, sure did not survive under 
Rehnee's lack of care.  I'm sick.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Del 
  Daniels 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: FELV and FIV cats removed 
  from Angel Wings yesterday
  
  
  >>Of the three cats removed, from what I recall her telling me over 
  the phone:
  One is white and has very nasty damaged curled up and crusty ears with 
  open sores and scabs (possibly cancer, they are considering 
  euthanasia)<<
  Is this one of the FIV+ cats?  He sounds like an FIV+ I helped 
  transport to AW maybe 2 years ago ... although I figure that kitty has already 
  died.  This whole mess makes me sick to my stomach and my heart 
  ache.  And I am so full up here already with kitties.
  Del
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:49 
AM
Subject: FELV and FIV cats removed from 
Angel Wings yesterday


UPDATE:
 

"We seized 50-60 cats from Angel Wings yesterday.  Briefly, we 
found 10 dead cats in varying stages of decay.  Got 35 or so cats 
vetted.  3 were FeLV+ and 6 were FIV.  We want to get pictures of 
these guys up quick.  Please call me if you need to.  We do not 
really have space and resources, fosters etc.  If we find an owner, 
that would be great."
 
"It was worse than I thought, guess worse 
than anyone thought.  I alternated between crying and puking.  

 
Three FeLV cats so far.  All the cats look like crap, including 
these.  Think there were 4, but one was in horrible shape and was 
euthanized.  I am sure they photographed it though.  I was still 
onsite catching cats and dogs.  The fleas were amazing.  I will 
have to flea bomb my car now.  I know I have fleas crawling all over me 
now.  Eek!
 
Oh 
then there were the dogs, many feral, lots of mange, lots of fleas.  
Some looked OK, can't figure why someone cares for some, and not the 
others.  This is such a crazy situation.  Guess crazy people are 
like that.
 
These poor guys look so bad, thin, little hair because of fleas, 
etc, not sure anyone will recognize them.  Pitiful."  

 
So far, FOUR FELV+ cats were recovered, one 
was so sick that they humanely euthanised him. Three are in decent shape and 
need to be rescued. There are still almost 30 cats that have not yet been 
vetted, so the numbers may rise. Now, we need to figure out how to get them 
from Tennessee to Tad in Vermont. I'm working on it. Pictures of all cats 
should be available soon, so we can attempt to find pervious owners. That is 
the first step, return as many cats as possible to their original owners if 
they will take them back. We still have NO HOME for the FIV+ cats. The FIV+ 
cats are in immediate danger of being euthanised if no foster homes come 
forward. Kara said she could cope with 2 or 3, but she's already overwhelmed 
with the numbers so far. 
 
Of the three cats removed, from what I recall her telling me over the 
phone:
One is white and has very nasty damaged curled up and crusty ears with 
open sores and scabs (possibly cancer, they are considering 
euthanasia)
One is black and white
One is a dilute gray tortoise shell calico
 
All three cats are missing hair and extremely thin and in poor shape, 
so matching them to photos is very difficult. I have advised them NOT to 
euthanise ANY of them unless they are in obvious pain and are suffering, and 
have advised blood transfusions for any severe anemia, though cost (and 
donors) is a factor. All have severe flea infestations, and I have also 
advised them NOT to use revolution on the sick and weak cats (which means 
almost every cat removed).
 
I will keep updating as more info comes 
through.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

 
~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat 
who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's 
caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she 
earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels 
for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing 
address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!



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Re: OT - 2 things

[Del Daniels]

Ladies, I am in your cat pee club!  It used to 
be just Antonio marking and Elavil then Prozac helped ... didn't stop 
altogether.  Then after a couple of years why spend the money or give him 
the drugs since he didn't stop and others started.  Sam never peed outside 
the box but I witnessed him fully dosing the (towel covered) toaster so I 
suppose he is the guilty one for hitting the back of the cupboard.  Minnie 
Lu pees on the stove during the night or early morning.  Now Emily (?) 
began a spot in the garage.  I think she is upset because the present three 
kitties there with her harrass her and the past three liked her and either 
played with her or ignored her.  Most everything in my house has been "hit" 
either marking or all out bladderful.  Feliway didn't do anything.  I 
love them though.
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 4:09 PM
  Subject: RE: OT - 2 things
  Hi, Nina, I am sorry it's probably not supposed to, but your 
  messagegave me a good laugh :) -just because I go through very very same 
  thingwith Bruce and you.  I put clothes on to go to work and start 
  sniffingat work, huh...I smell like a cat pee and I realized that my cat 
  hadpeed on my clothes and I was too dull to realize right away - and 
  thishappened more than a few times..I used to have the feliway 
  diffusers everywhere in the house, I had, Ithink about 8 or 9 diffusers, 
  and of course they run out every severalweeks and I either forgot to 
  replace or couldn't afford at that time orsomething,, and haven't been 
  diligent about it - but I think I shoulduse it again if it's working for 
  you guys.Now I put cushions from the couches laying on the floor after 
  Oreo andJoJo's disk/back surgery - I don't want them to be jumping on the 
  couchsince it's too high for some of them, and my vet told me that jumping 
  isa very bad thing for their back..so I started putting the cushions 
  onthe floor so that they can use them as their bed or to use as a 
  stepstool to jump on the couch - and now some of my dogs start peeing 
  onthese ahhh!!! But, when I am about to go nuts, 
  Ialways try to remind my self of my priority - as long as they 
  arehealthy, I shouldn't complain - though my house is never gonna look 
  (orsmell like for that matter) ones from country living magazine 
  orarchitectural digest - but they are my angels and my very reasons 
  forliving - I just have to continue to be creative or develop a 
  reallytough skin so that I am not too irritated by these 
  things...-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
  Re: OT - 2 thingsThat's a good idea Hideyo. My Queen Ursula is a 
  sprayer and the feliway does help with her, (as long as I remember to keep 
  spraying the stuff). I know what her problem is, she gets pissed, 
  (literally), whenever, we, her humble servants, displease her. Gypsy is 
  the one who all out urinates on soft bedding, (poor Zevon, his bed is her 
  favorite spot!). Gypsy started the behavior when she was very, very sick. 
  I think she preferred using cloth to the litter box, because she had sores 
  on her legs and the litter was irritating to her sensitive skin. She was 
  also so weak, that I'm guessing, that whatever was close by and absorbent 
  wasfine with her, she too enjoys sleeping on the same stuff she will 
  later pee on. (It ain't dog behavior, I'll tell you that!) She's so much 
  stronger now, but she will still urinate on the occasional laundry 
  pile.Even Ursa does that though. Poor Bruce was sent screaming from 
  the bedroom the other week when he unknowingly tried to slip on a pair of 
  pee-soaked jeans he'd left lying on the floor next to the bed. It was 
  right after he'd taken a shower too! You'd think we'd become better 
  housekeepers around here, but so far we're being slow 
  learners.NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote:> Tonya - I hear 
  you, I have the same problem - it's really not marking > - just peeing 
  and I have a several of them doing it - they all know > how to and used 
  to use litter box - and they still do - but they also > pee on soft 
  things - I can't leave any clothes or towels at any open > area because 
  they pee right away!!>> Here's what I do - and it's not 
  perfect solution - but it's better > than peeing on the carpet - I put 
  a litter box (with no litter) all > over the house, whether it's on the 
  couch or on the carpet and put a > towel in it - and they will pee 
  there - again you still have to wash > towels (can be old rugs), but at 
  least your couch or carpet is > protected by litter box between - again 
  I am not sure if this is > something you are looking for - but that's 
  how I started protecting > things that can't be washed so 
  easily.>

Re: OT - 2 things

[Del Daniels]

It's only the toaster and coffe pot on the counter 
because everything else had to go in the cupboard and no more room ... most of 
my cupboards are full of cat food and cat meds, etc.  Tlherefore keep the 
toaster and coffepot covered with towels and every morning I sniff 
them ...  So many places I cannot clean up all the cat pee, like when it 
runs down behind the countertop when they hit the wall, or behind the baseboard, 
under the top portion of the washer and dryer ... you know the predictament 
:(
 
Del  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:00 PM
  Subject: RE: OT - 2 things
  Right on, Nina - I have removed everything from the kitchen 
  counter - Ino longer have toasters, or bread box or anything because they 
  keeppeeing on them - I just feel better knowing that I am not 
  alone in this, Nina...Hideyo-Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, July 01, 2005 3:48 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
  Re: OT - 2 thingsI neglected to mention that one of Ursula's favorite 
  spots is the kitchen counter, also only in the middle of the night.  
  Uugh, the toaster and the stove though, that's much worse!  At least 
  the kitchen counter cleans up easily, not that it makes much difference 
  when I forget and leave clean dishes out to dry there.  There's 
  nothing like washing wine glasses over and over again!  I'm waiting 
  for the day I don't catch it.  I can just see the crinkled up noses 
  when my guests comment on the interesting bouquet!  It does help 
  knowing why they do these things, at least it helps a little.  It's 
  impossible to cater to them completely, well, I guess not impossible, all 
  I'd have to do to please Ursula is kick every other cat in the house to 
  the curb!NinaDel Daniels wrote:> Ladies, I am in your 
  cat pee club!  It used to be just Antonio marking> and Elavil 
  then Prozac helped ... didn't stop altogether.  Then after > a 
  couple of years why spend the money or give him the drugs since he > 
  didn't stop and others started.  Sam never peed outside the box but I 
  > witnessed him fully dosing the (towel covered) toaster so I suppose 
  he> is the guilty one for hitting the back of the cupboard.  
  Minnie Lu > pees on the stove during the night or early morning.  
  Now Emily (?) > began a spot in the garage.  I think she is upset 
  because the present > three kitties there with her harrass her and the 
  past three liked her > and either played with her or ignored her.  
  Most everything in my > house has been "hit" either marking or all out 
  bladderful.  Feliway > didn't do anything.  I love them 
  though.> Del

Re: OT - 2 things

[Del Daniels]

Yes ... last year the vet suggested we 
take Antonio off the Prozac and I had thought about it but the night before when 
I was getting into bed, my pillow had been zapped.  Now we keep Antonio 
confined to the large family room and enclosed back porch.  There is a 
screen door between the family room and dining room.  Even though 
there are others peeing around, he goes full blast when he gets into the 
main house.  
Knowing there are others dealing with these 
situations helps keep me sane while being sorry you have the problems, 
too.  I continually remind myself to be grateful this is not POOP all 
over.  
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 8:57 PM
  Subject: RE: OT - 2 things
  
  How about being already in BED and sniffing and realize someone peed on 
  it!  I run a dehumidifier and I guess someone did it during the day and 
  it had dried before I got in bed that night. agh!!!
   
  tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hi, 
Nina, I am sorry it's probably not supposed to, but your messagegave me 
a good laugh :) -just because I go through very very same thingwith 
Bruce and you. I put clothes on to go to work and start sniffingat work, 
huh...I smell like a cat pee and I realized that my cat hadpeed on my 
clothes and I was too dull to realize right away - and thishappened more 
than a few times..I used to have the feliway diffusers everywhere in 
the house, I had, Ithink about 8 or 9 diffusers, and of course they run 
out every severalweeks and I either forgot to replace or couldn't afford 
at that time orsomething,, and haven't been diligent about it - but I 
think I shoulduse it again if it's working for you guys.Now I 
put cushions from the couches laying on the floor after Oreo andJoJo's 
disk/back surgery - I don't want them to be jumping on the couchsince 
it's too high for some of them, and my vet told me that jumping isa very 
bad thing for their back..so I started putting the cushions onthe floor 
so that they can use them as their bed or to use as a stepstool to jump 
on the couch - and now some of my dogs start peeing onthese 
ahhh!!! But, when I am about to go nuts, 
I

Re: Current FELV and FIV cats up for euthansia - could these be yours?

[Del Daniels]

Could this fellow be a himmy/siamese look?  
The one I transported was more buff with light gray.  could you send 
me a pix if you think he could be him?  Actually, if it were him, 
I would not hesitate to euthanize him, he was in bad shape 8/02 with we 
moved him there.  
 
Then I have two bad FIVs:
 
White with gray DSH, 5 years
Eyes - sunken
Ears - mites
Skin - fleas, thin hair
Mouth - see below
Dehydrated
Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal, gingivitis, 
URI
Body condition, 1.5
Vet recommends euthanasia

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:52 
PM
  Subject: Current FELV and FIV cats up for 
  euthansia - could these be yours?
  
  
  This is the list of cats that the vets are holding JUST FOR ME, and would 
  overwise already be DEAD. I need opinions people, do these sound treatable, 
  and should we try to get them transported? Tad? Do you have the time to nurse 
  open sores and that type of severe injury? I'm recommending saving the dilute 
  calico, sounds like she just needs rehydrated and fed. I'm also demanding they 
  save the black DSH, because I may know his owner, so he will be held til I can 
  get picture tomorrow. I'm up in the air about the buff guy with open pressure 
  sores, and all that mess, he sounds like he is suffering, should I give the OK 
  to euthanise him guys?
   
  I have no say over the FIV cats, as I don't have fosters for them, so if 
  they sound like they could be one you are seeking, let me know ASAP, before 
  they euthanise them!
   
  I have the records for the 3 FeLV cats:  I will just list what is 
  abnormal.  Please let me know what you think.  I can get pictures 
  and send them to you if you need them tomorrow.
   
  Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years
  Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
  Ear mites
  Fleas 4+
  Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
  Dehydrated
  Notes:  very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia
   
  Buff DSH, ~4 years
  Eyes - conjunctivitis
  Ears - mites
  Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
  Abdomen - hernia over incision
  Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
  Legs/feet - pressure sores
  Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge, missing 
  teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas
  Needs Euthanized
   
  Black DSH, >6 years
  Ears - mites
  Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
  Abdominal - thin
  Mouth - moderate tarter
  Notes: none
   
  Then I have two bad FIVs:
   
  White with gray DSH, 5 years
  Eyes - sunken
  Ears - mites
  Skin - fleas, thin hair
  Mouth - see below
  Dehydrated
  Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal, gingivitis, 
  URI
  Body condition, 1.5
  Vet recommends euthanasia
   
  Buff DSH, 4 years
  Eyes - sunken
  Ears - mites
  Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg, pressure 
  sores, possible mange
  Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne
  Dehydrated
  Notes - recommends euthanasia
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~I 
  collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
  must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
  collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a 
  free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for 
  Bazil!
   
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
  you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  
  

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Re: OT - 2 things

[Del Daniels]

Well, you have the #1 disaster so far to pee 
on you while you were sleeping!  If this was a contest, you would win ... 
or Doobie would win.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:28 
PM
  Subject: Re: OT - 2 things
  
  LOL, that's why Doobie got neutered. We were 
  sound asleep one night, and all of a sudden, it got warm and wet on our backs. 
  He had peed about a gallon of stinky tom cat pee on top of all of our covers, 
  at just about shoulder level, and it had soaked all the way through the 
  comforter, blanket, sheet, and US! I was SO mad, I called the vet at 7:00 AM 
  that morning, and said "I have a cat that needs to have his nuts chopped off 
  TODAY!", and they fit him right in. He has NEVER peed on the bed since. I 
  think when I told him "OH, buddy, you are gonna PAY for this one!" he realized 
  I was serious when I loaded him up and took him to the vet first thing that 
  morning, and that night when he was flopping around in a drunken stupor minus 
  two testicles! To say he learned a lesson is putting it mildly. I know, it's 
  mean to neuter a cat as punishment, but he REALLY asked for that one! He might 
  have stayed a tom for his entire life, if he hadn't pulled that trick! Now, 
  when he's being bad, and I say "Don't you EVEN think about it!" he generally 
  stops! I also trim claws as punishment around here. One cat scratches another, 
  that cat gets a claw trimming. They hate it, because they can't do wild 
  acrobatics on the cat tree when they don't have claws. Oh, hey, you guys 
  recall me saying how my girl cat doesn't use the box, but will go in front of 
  it, or in an empty box with no filler? Well, on many 
  people's advise, I went and bought a new large UNcovered litterbox 
  and I have not found any pee on the floor since. It WAS the covered boxes, she 
  felt trapped in them, I think!
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~
  How about being already in BED and sniffing and realize someone peed on 
  it!  I run a dehumidifier and I guess someone did it during the day and 
  it had dried before I got in bed that night. agh!!!
   
  tonya
  
  

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Re: OT - 2 things

[Del Daniels]

Yeah, I have them with the drippy and oozing poop 
but that didn't count because they were sick and  could not help it.  


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:18 
PM
  Subject: Re: OT - 2 things
  Not that I'm looking for pity, but...   When my poor 
  Gypsy was at her worst with IBD, she was constantly leaking just 
  that!  I kept thinking that for the sake of everyone else in the 
  household I should confine her, but she would freak out when shut away 
  from everyone else.  So, instead, I spent a great deal of time 
  following her around on my hands and knees cleaning up after her.  I 
  had towels and throws over almost every stick of furniture.  What a 
  nightmare!  Thank God that's over with!NinaDel Daniels 
  wrote:> Yes ... last year the vet suggested we take Antonio off the 
  Prozac and > I had thought about it but the night before when I was 
  getting into > bed, my pillow had been zapped.  Now we keep 
  Antonio confined to the > large family room and enclosed back 
  porch.  There is a screen door > between the family room and 
  dining room.  Even though there are others > peeing around, he 
  goes full blast when he gets into the main house.  > Knowing there 
  are others dealing with these situations helps keep me > sane while 
  being sorry you have the problems, too.  I continually > remind 
  myself to be grateful this is not POOP all over. >> 
  Del

Re: ear cream - Chlorphenarimine

[Del Daniels]

  I give the 
Chlorphenarimine c j k in a capsule so he 
doesn't taste it and that works for Butch but Smokey has a hard time swallowing 
any pills/capsules ... but $50 is pricey for the cream when the pills are 
very cheap, isn't it.  However, if it helps.  Lucy is helping my type 
and she can't spell :) Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gloria B. 
  Lane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 12:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: (Pee Club) and for Michelle 
  and ear cream
  Hey Tonya,I just attempted to have some 
  Chlorphenarimine / Chlor Trimeton compounded into an ear cream.  They 
  got it wrong and made a liquid for oral consumption.  The pharmacy 
  said the ear cream would be $50.I'm curious - how much do you get and 
  how much does it cost?I didn't know you could give kitties Benadryl, 
  so interested in that.My problem is Lancelot - got him in 
  January,February - declawed, outdoors for two months.  He had the 
  sniffles.  I've tried everything - Lysine, Interferon, antibiotics, 
  most recently a depo shot, which of course did help some.  THought 
  I'd do the ear cream because he's so hard to pill.Anyhow - any 
  suggestions are appreciated, and info on *ear cream* 
  !GloriaAt 12:26 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote:>I had 
  it compounded into a cream for her ears to make it easier to give it 
  >to her.  She is overgrooming her tummy and her 2 back legs to 
  where there >is very little hair yet.  The vet says it's allergies 
  and recommended >prednisolone.  We tried the baths, but she really 
  HATED that!>>her benadryl dose is 25 mg. twice 
  daily.>>t>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>What is the 
  dose, and why is she getting it? And why in her ears? You can >actually 
  give Benadryl orally to cats, the dosage is 1MG per pound, so >since a 
  tablet is 25MG, you'd need to give a little less than 1/2 a tablet >to 
  a 10 pound cat, or if you buy the capsules, you can dissolve the opened 
  >capsule's powder into a bit of water, shake well, and only give 1/3 of 
  the >liquid, OR use children's benadryl liquid, but I'm not sure the 
  strength >of that, so you'd have to do the math. When you say she is 
  overgrooming, >do you mean she is cleaning one spot until she has no 
  hair left? For >Mythic's skin itchies, I just used a good quality aloe 
  cat shampoo and >bathed him once a week, and it seemed to help him a 
  lot. The vet gave me a >special shampoo, but I found some stuff at the 
  hardware store that seems >to help even more. The stuff the vet sold me 
  is made by Virbac, and it's >called Epi-Soothe Shampoo (label says 
  available through vets only, and no >number). The stuff that works 
  better for Mythic, is made by TropiClean, >and it's called Aloe Moist 
  Natural Shampoo (1-800-542-7387). I wont ever >buy any other kind of 
  shampoo again, it's really awesome stuff, smells >great too. Mythic 
  also got shots at the vet for a while, I'd have to dig >up his records 
  to tell you what it was though. They only last for a couple >of weeks, 
  wasn't really worth the trip. Changing his food to one with no >grains 
  helped more than anything, his hair is still thin, but he does not 
  >scratch much at all now.>>Jenn>http://ucat.us>http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html>>~~~>DD 
  is still overgrooming with the benadryl cream.  It doesn't seem to 
  >effect her.  Her dosage is 1mL twice daily (alternate ears) do 
  you >remember what you used?  I saved some other ideas I may try 
  next, but the >pharmacist said my prescription was a very 'low' 
  dose.  I wonder if my vet >prescribed a low dose because she 
  didn't think it would work and I >insisted on trying it?  My vet 
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Re: OT - 2 things

[Del Daniels]

You answered your own question as to why Doobie 
acted so wierd and terrified ... since he had never been outside before the 
incident, he spooked really bad and 
didn't know either you or Jeff.  We have had a couple of episodes with 
cats that got out when they never had before and they did freak horribly 
although didn't react quite like Doobie.  He wins a gold star 
performance.  If he gets outside again, Do Be careful of Doobie  
...  I couldn't resist
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT - 2 things
  
  I really just do not know what he was thinking. 
  I still ask myself WHY? What was the purpose of that. I guess we must have 
  pissed him off earlier that day, and he was just out for revenge. LOL! 
  
   
  Then there was the one time he ran out the back 
  door (this was about a month before the bed peeing episode). So we run out 
  into the yard, to try to catch him, and as we approach, he growls and folds 
  his ears back. So we kneel down, and try to sweet talk him into letting us 
  catch him, but then he begins to make this horrible WAILING sound, intermixed 
  with growls and hisses. At this point, I'm like, whoa, he is serious, he does 
  NOT want to come back in, and I say, well, he will come back in a while. My 
  boyfriend, on the other hand, is not going to let Doobie risk his life just 
  for a night out catting, so I go up to the steps and sit down, and watch, and 
  he approaches Doobie. He reaches down, amidst this HORRIBLE wailing and 
  growling, and goes to grab Doobie, and bring him in, and as he is bending down 
  to get him, Doobie suddenly just comes FLYING through the air at his face, 
  arms outstretched, and claws flying, making the most horrific sound you have 
  ever hear from a cat. In fact it was SO scary that I doubt any of you have 
  ever HEARD a cat make this kind of noise (he sounded like a jaguar)! And so 
  Jeff, (that's my boyfriend's name) jumps back real quick, and luckily, Doobie 
  only gets his shin. Jeff's got blood running down his leg, and Doobie is now 
  in crouched down pissed off cat mode, and making more of those noises, so Jeff 
  finally says "Ok man, you win!" and as we watch, Doobie goes through a hole in 
  the back fence and disappears. Now, mind you, we are worried to death, but 
  it's only about 5 PM, so I figure, when it's getting dark, Doobie will 
  probably come home (I'm hoping he can FIND his way home, since he has NEVER 
  been outside before). We pace the floors for about 2 hours, and then I go out 
  into the back yard, and call Doobie (He comes to Frank Sinatra's "Strangers in 
  the Night" tune of "Doobie-doobie do, doob doobie doobie, Doobie-doobie Do!) 
  and low and behold, Doobie's body appears over the top of the fence, and he 
  jumps down back into the yard, and walks up to me like "Hey, what's up, how's 
  it going?" as if NOTHING ever happened! He gets closer, and I see he is 
  limping, on one leg, and his face is all clawed up... He'd been out fighting, 
  I'm sure, over a female (mind you, he's not neutered yet, and he's almost 18 
  months old). So, I open the door, and let him in, and one of our other rescue 
  cats at the time, LAYS into him, and basically kicks his butt, right there in 
  the kitchen. As if to say, "Hey you moron, where did you think YOU were going, 
  I'm going to show you where YOUR place is!". So, in the end, he abscessed in 3 
  legs, and once on his neck, and he couldn't walk for about 2 weeks straight. 
  But, I tell you what, I found a new respect for domestic cats after that day. 
  I never FEARED housecats before, but that day, I learned, IF they wanted to, 
  they could KILL YOU! He has, to this day, NEVER repeated that type of 
  behavior. We are not sure what the deal was that day, but we are glad he got 
  over it!
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~
  Well, you have the #1 disaster so far to pee 
  on you while you were sleeping!  If this was a contest, you would win ... 
  or Doobie would win.
  
  

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Re: OT - 2 things

[Del Daniels]

He's a handsome fella.  He looks neutered 
now.  Love those big eyes, my Butch has large open expressive eyes, 
too.  You can see a lot going on in their thoughts and are ready to tell us 
about it any minute.  
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 10:09 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT - 2 things
  
  LOL! Well, I take him out now on a leash 
  sometimes, and he's never acted TOO violent, though he has given me "the look" 
  a few times if I tried to tell him it was time to go in too soon. I tell you 
  what WE didn't know HIM either! This is my BABY, mind you, my absolute 
  favorite cat, my angel. I bottle fed this guy.
   
  This is him, his most recent picture, taken 
  about 2 weeks ago:
  http://kittenwar.com/kittens/21722/ 
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~
  You answered your own question as to why Doobie 
  acted so weird and terrified ... since he had never been outside before the 
  incident, he spooked really bad and 
  didn't know either you or Jeff.  We have had a couple of episodes 
  with cats that got out when they never had before and they did freak horribly 
  although didn't react quite like Doobie.  He wins a gold star 
  performance.  If he gets outside again, Do Be careful of Doobie  
  ...  I couldn't resist
  Del
  
  

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Re: Please add Snowball and Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Del Daniels]

Kerry,  This is unreal and never fair to lose two precious lovebugs 
the same day.  How awful.
Big hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kerry MacKenzie 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:26 
  PM
  Subject: Please add Snowball to CLS 
  Belinda
  
  It's been a painful day. I lost my gentle giant Snowball this 
  afternoon. I never expected that.
  He was breathing rapidly when I got home from the clinic. I thought at 
  first he was stressed because of losing his girlfriend Flavia. I couldn't take 
  the risk, tho, so I rushed him to the clinic. His lungs were full of fluid. 
  Only 25 per cent was not full and even that was compromised. I discussed it 
  with the same vet I saw this morning. I couldn't risk him dying while I was 
  gone, and that seemed a very real possibility. 
  Snowball was the biggest cat, a flamepoint, but he wouldn't hurt a soul. 
  He was terribly timid. He stopped playing a couple of months ago, but I 
  thought it was a lazy phase, because he had been pretty lazy before.
  The other little ones would enjoy batting him when he was below them on 
  the tree. He never batted them back. he was too gentle. He knew he could 
  squash them if he wanted too, but he didn't want to hurt them.
  I'm in shock for Snowball, and I guess Flavia, tho she has been so ill, 
  and I need to process it.
  Please send prayers for my remaining Mickey and Momcat. They are going to 
  be feeling very down and scared, and I'm scared they'll stop eating.
  I haven't read your replies yet because I just got back, and I have to 
  leave in 30 mins, and I haven't finished packing.
  But there were lots--I'm so grateful. I'll read them when I get back. 
  
  love and hugs to all
  Kerry
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:37 
PM
Subject: Re: Please add Flavia to CLS 
Belinda

I'm sorry, Kerry.  If her PCV plummeted that fast, she 
probably either had a bleed somewhere or was killing off her own red blood 
cells (hemolytic anemia).  That is what they told me with Simon when he 
went from 16 to 8 overnight.  
Michelle

Re: canned pumpkin for constipation

[Del Daniels]

You do realize that a severely constipated cat can 
go into shock?  I have not read all of the posts and don't know how long 
since kitty has not pooped ... can you give kitty an enema?  Your vet can 
or sell you the enema gizmo.  My Tito was still going some and I didn't 
know he had a problem until he began trying unsuccessfully to poop ... 
fairly soon he began vomiting and trembling.  He was in bad 
shape.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  BONNIE J KALMBACH 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:35 
  PM
  Subject: Re: canned pumpkin for 
  constipation
  Cherie,Thanks does this work when a cat is severely 
  constipated?Bonnie www.elephants.com- Original 
  Message -From: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
  Saturday, July 9, 2005 11:02 amSubject: Re: canned pumpkin for 
  constipation> I just do a table spoon out of the can no 
  water.> > BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:> About how much is given? It's mixed with water, yes?> 
  > Thanks, Bonnie> > > www.elephants.com> > 
  > > > Have a purrfect day> Cherie> > 
  

Re: Fu's severe constipation was:: canned pumpkin

[Del Daniels]

Oh, Bonnie, it doesn't sound good for Fu, does 
it.  When Effie's lymphoma went out of remission, she was frequently in the 
box trying to poop, nothing came out as she wasn't eating to produce any 
waste.  Doc found more tumors against her spine and insides giving her the 
feeling of needing to poop.  I do hope that is not the case with your 
kitty.  Love and prayers to Fu.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  BONNIE J KALMBACH 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:18 
  PM
  Subject: Fu's severe constipation was:: 
  canned pumpkin
  How long should I wait for the canned pumpkin to take effect? I 
  laced it with SEB. I'm thinking of taking him to the emergency vet - who I 
  don't much trust. I've had bad luck there. The vet gave him a gentle 
  enema yesterday because I was so concerned as Fu had nearly died after 
  getting an enema three years ago. Fu is 19 and very frail with 
  hyperthyroidism and his intestinal cancer is probably out of 
  remission.I've also done fluids today; he had 100ml last night and vet 
  said to give him 100 ml twice a day. I gave him 50 ml early this morning, 
  thinking that it might be too soon to give more as the last dose was 
  after midnight. I've also given him 3ml lactulose, and Laxaire. I fear 
  I may have to go to the emergency vet. I think I'll give the second 50 
  ml of fluids soon. www.elephants.com- Original 
  Message -From: Del Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 
  Saturday, July 9, 2005 2:05 pmSubject: Re: canned pumpkin for 
  constipation> You do realize that a severely constipated cat can go 
  into shock?  > I have not read all of the posts and don't know how 
  long since > kitty has not pooped ... can you give kitty an 
  enema?  Your vet > can or sell you the enema gizmo.  My Tito 
  was still going some and > I didn't know he had a problem until he 
  began trying > unsuccessfully to poop ... fairly soon he began vomiting 
  and > trembling.  He was in bad shape.> > 
  Del>  - Original Message - >  From: BONNIE J 
  KALMBACH >  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  >  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:35 PM>  Subject: 
  Re: canned pumpkin for constipation> > >  
  Cherie,>  Thanks does this work when a cat is severely 
  constipated?> >  Bonnie> >   www.elephants.com> >  
  - Original Message ->  From: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>  
  Date: Saturday, July 9, 2005 11:02 am>  Subject: Re: canned 
  pumpkin for constipation> >  > I just do a table spoon 
  out of the can no water.>  > >  > BONNIE J 
  KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:>  > About how much is given? It's mixed with water, 
  yes?>  > >  > Thanks, Bonnie>  > 
  >  > >  > www.elephants.com>  > 
  >  > >  > >  > >  
  > Have a purrfect day>  > Cherie>  > 
  >  > > 

Re: sniffles-gloria

[Del Daniels]

He does have cruddy yucky ears - not black, but pink (he's a white  
cat) with yellow crust inside.My Daisy has 
nasty allergies (hairless areas, itching, plaques, etc.) and her ears produce 
massive quantities of a beige wax.  Doc said allergies produce more 
wax.  Could this be possible for Lancelot?  Yellow crust sounds more 
like infection, doesn't it.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gloria 
  Lane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:45 
AM
  Subject: Re: sniffles-gloria
  OK - I already asked the vet about it - and for some reason she 
  ruled  out lymphoma.  Can't remember why she gave me Zeniquin, 
  but the other  options I mentionedt o her were Cyclosporin and 
  Zithromax.  Have to  research those.  Lancelot is better 
  but he's not right.  Wondering if  he's going to get worse after 
  the Depo shot wears off.He does have cruddy yucky ears - not black, 
  but pink (he's a white  cat) with yellow crust 
  inside.GloriaOn Jul 6, 2005, at 10:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:> I missed what you sai about his eyes being allergy-like. 
  Never mind  > what I said about lymphoma, because that would not 
  cause this symptom.> Michelle

Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie

[Del Daniels]

Sunny James had a swollen upper lip on one side ... rodent 
ulcer ... it disappeared on its own.  At the time I could not remember what 
I had read about it and asked in this group because I, too, was concerned about 
it being contagious ... it is not.  Usually from food allergies.  
Since Sunny James' fat lip did not reoccur, I wondered if it had been an 
allergic reaction to an insect bite.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:12 PM
  Subject: Bottom Lip/Cherie
  
  
  
  I seem to recall someone on the 
  list a few years ago having kitty that had this on their lips. Forgive I can't 
  remember who it was for the life of me.
   
  In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:25:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Our group has had one kitty with a rodent ulcer on the upper 
lip.   The vet put him on steroids.  Not considered 
contagious.GloriaOn Jul 11, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Cherie A 
Gabbert wrote:> 1)> I have a slight problem, my Himmie 
Candy has a sore on her bottom  > lip, that I can not identify, 
any thoughts? She is a negative to  > FeLV and I have a vet 
coming out next week, I am just worried that  > it could spread 
to the others.>> 2)> I have to join the "pee club" 
I seem to have someone, not sure who  > have little accidents in 
two corners of the house, any thoughts how  > to determine which 
one it is...I only have one male but it is not  > vertical 
spraying and it is not alot...>> Any help would be appreciated 
;-))> Cherie
  
   
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Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie - Pee Club + Alum foil

[Del Daniels]

The noise of their pee on the foil might tend to 
foil the act.  My house would be well decorated, but it is definitely an 
interesting thought.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Cherie A 
  Gabbert 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie
  
  I did just look up Rodent ulcer and I am pretty sure that is what she 
  has.it seems to have gotten a little worse but only slightly, the vet will 
  be here next Tuesday, I am calling her tomorrow to see if she can send me 
  something or tell me how to make Candy feel better.
   
  Thanks for you insight
   
  By the by regarding urinating problems, I read putting aluminum foil is 
  the trouble spots might help deter marking.Del Daniels 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  



Sunny James had a swollen upper lip on one side ... rodent 
ulcer ... it disappeared on its own.  At the time I could not remember 
what I had read about it and asked in this group because I, too, was 
concerned about it being contagious ... it is not.  Usually from food 
allergies.  Since Sunny James' fat lip did not reoccur, I wondered if 
it had been an allergic reaction to an insect bite.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:12 
  PM
  Subject: Bottom Lip/Cherie
  
  
  
  I seem to recall someone on 
  the list a few years ago having kitty that had this on their lips. Forgive 
  I can't remember who it was for the life of me.
   
  In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:25:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Our group has had one kitty with a rodent ulcer on the upper 
lip.   The vet put him on steroids.  Not considered 
contagious.GloriaOn Jul 11, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Cherie A 
Gabbert wrote:> 1)> I have a slight problem, my Himmie 
Candy has a sore on her bottom  > lip, that I can not 
identify, any thoughts? She is a negative to  > FeLV and I 
have a vet coming out next week, I am just worried that  > 
it could spread to the others.>> 2)> I have to 
join the "pee club" I seem to have someone, not sure who  > 
have little accidents in two corners of the house, any thoughts 
how  > to determine which one it is...I only have one male 
but it is not  > vertical spraying and it is not 
alot...>> Any help would be appreciated ;-))> 
Cherie
  
   
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Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)

[Del Daniels]

You mean your cats don't eat scotch tape?  A 
couple of mine love it.  They take it off any boxes, wherever.  Sancho 
chews on it ... eats it ... throws it up :)
He goes nuts for styrofoam ... eats it, throws it 
up.  Any soft plastic bags, same routine!
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:52 
PM
  Subject: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie 
  (rugs)
  
  Clawing used to be an issue for me, they still 
  shred the couch, but not the door frames anymore. I put long strips of regular 
  clear packaging tape over all the door frames in scratching reach, and they 
  decided they didn't like the feel of it anymore, because it's slippery and 
  they can't dig in like on the bare wood, plus if they try too hard, the tape 
  comes off and usually sticks on them, and they are running through the house 
  with tape stuck on their bodies, like they are being attacked by a pack of 
  coyotes... absolutely scares the bejesus out of them! I also, a few years 
  back, invested in a absolutely WONDERFUL cat tree, I HIGHLY recommend the 
  company to everyone now, my cats have SHREDDED this thing, and it still looks 
  good, after 3 years and 5 cats. It was a bit pricey though http://www.4yourcat.com/pussicat/index.php
  I have the Mont Blanc tree, with the optional 
  large base, plus I've added on a few extra parts over the years, which is what 
  is so cool about these, they are completely modular, and you can re-arrange 
  them and add on endlessly. I can send anyone who is interested in seeing my 
  current set up a picture in private emails... my pics are too big to send via 
  the list. If you wanna see it (and my livingroom) send me a private email at 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~I 
  am getting the idea slowly but surely, I have leather kitchen chairs that of 
  course are ripped beyond repairthe door jams in the house are ripped 
  beyond repair, (even though I do try) even the new rug I just put down is 
  already snaggedclawing does not bother me PEE bothers me big 
  time.
  
  

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Re: ot- flooring for pee club members

[Del Daniels]

What kind of tile?  Vinyl tile?  Ceramic 
tile?  
We used the self-stick vinyl tiles and that was not 
a good choice.  Not the cheap stuff either.  Effie was such a stinker 
she figured out how she could peel the thin top layer off!  There are 
several places where the top chipped off.  We purchased it at Lowe's and 
had three "recommendations" from their "expert" salesmen as to what 
type of glue to use or none.  Mess.  Many tile did not stick, many 
slid, now there is kitty litter inbetween many of the tiles.  Some of the 
paste continues to work up inbetween the tiles and cat hair and litter stick to 
it with the dust bunnies (these dust bunnies need to be neutered, they are far 
too prolific).  I continue to use Goo Gone on those areas now 1-1/2 year 
since installation.   While even this situation is far improved from 
having carpet, it didn't turn out well for us.  Lots of cats here, 
too.
 
ALSO, the family room still has 
carpet, quite smelly pee especially in the humid weather.  Hahaha, you know 
what I'm talking about!  It is cement underneath as it was formerly the 
garage.  The cement is not smooth either.
What experience does anyone have with cement?  
Good and bad.  I want to take out the carpet when I can 
decide what is next.
 
Del
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:33 
  PM
  Subject: ot- flooring for pee club 
  members
  
  Hi,
   
  I just got an estimate for the vinyl flooring in my new house. I 
  asked what he would do in my situation and he said that instead of buying the 
  top end vinyl he would go ahead and put in tile for very little more. (1 
  or 2$ per square foot).  That would mean spending an additional 500 or 
  1000.
   
  Has anyone tried tile?
   
  I have a friend with lots of dogs who had hardwoods and built a new house 
  recently.  She tiled her entire house and loves it.
   
  He said that's what he has in his house because he has 2 cats that pee on 
  any rug or item of clothing on the floor. lol.
   
  He said he did not like laminate in general and would never recommend 
  it.  That the vinyl would work for my situation, but the tile would be 
  permanent and never need replacing like the vinyl eventually would.
   
  Any thoughts?
   
  tonya"Doljan, Joan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  

I 
don't have that problem.

  
  -Original Message-From: catatonya 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:05 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: 
  (rugs)
  Thanks Joan!  what did you do about 
  stairs?"Doljan, Joan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

  

I have the vinyl sheet and it works just 
fine.

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  catatonya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 
  July 13, 2005 5:15 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: 
  (rugs)
  Hi Sheila,
   
  I'm not getting Armstrong laminate.  I'm getting armstrong 
  sheet vinyl that is just imprinted to look like wood.
   
  t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tonya, please let me know how the Armstrong 
laminate does. I had quick step laminate and it has been a 
disaster.Sheila 
  

Re: Spanky - CLS

[Del Daniels]

Sheila,
 
Twelve years!  You and Spanky were 
blessed.  That doesn't make losing him any easier.  Big hugs, 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:32 
  PM
  Subject: Spanky - CLS
    Belinda, Please add my boy Spanky to CLS 
  he was felv + and had a pu surgery two years ago. He was fine this morning 
  eating going to litter box. This was so unexpected I am in complete shock. He 
  showed no sign of sickness.  He was gray and white rag doll 12 years 
  old. He gave me kisses and headbutts everyday even when he was not feeling 
  well. He was so gentle and loving and I can't imagine waking up tomorrow and 
  not seeing his beautiful face. You would think after losing so many precious 
  ones that it would get easier, but this has really broken my 
  heart.Sheila 

Re: housing/fostering of FeLV+ cats

[Del Daniels]

Ouch, Jenn.  Kathryn doesn't take EVERY but 
she has been in this group a long time and from her posts, she has sounded like 
a very caring cat mom who has cared for many kitties, including positives for 
years.  She has given good advise for us.  And, if I remember 
correctly, she has decreased her group as she has become older - we have to do 
that, you know.  I greatly admire her commitment to the kitties, again if 
my memory serves me correctly, she is somewhat disabled.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: housing/fostering of FeLV+ 
  cats
  
  Wait, you said you will take in EVERY FELV+ cat 
  that is offered to you, sight unseen? How many do you have now? I know of 
  about 200 or so in need of homes at any given time. I can call all of the 
  shelters and tell them to stop euthanising FELV+ cats, and instead give them 
  all to you. Sorry, I hate to be a sarcastic sounding bitch, but your offer 
  rings of insincerity and/or an unrealistic offer.
   
  Can you provide two veterinary references, plus 
  three personal references not related to you? Are you a member of, or have you 
  worked with any rescue groups? If so, can we have their contact info? Do you 
  have pictures of your property and current cats? How large is your cat house? 
  Are all cats kept indoors only, or contained in some kind of cat proof 
  fencing? Do you cage cats, or let them roam freely in the house? How far do 
  you pursue treatment for these cats, do you use any of the treatments listed 
  on our website? At what point do you consider it time to let a cat go, and 
  humanely euthanise him/her? Do you have a staff, or do you take care of all 
  the litterboxes, feeding, medical care, vet visits, grooming, and socializing 
  yourself?
   
  Maybe you are a kind person who just does not 
  realize the scope of the problem outside your own little area. With an offer 
  like you just made, you would be overrun with hundreds of cats within days to 
  weeks. All of us here try to take in what we can, when we can. There is only a 
  limited number of cats any one person can manage at one 
  time.
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~I 
  collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
  must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
  collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a 
  free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for 
  Bazil!
   
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
  you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  
  

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Re: ot- flooring for pee club members

[Del Daniels]

Jenn,
 
I don't have a drain but this sounds do-able.  
It will be a MAJOR project.  The room has cheap wood 
paneling on the lower half now which has absorbed the pee and I plan to replace 
that with the shower paneling which can be wiped off.  Last time at 
the grocery when I picked up three gallon jugs of vinegar, other people may 
have thought I was preparing for pickles ... between the cats and MIL's 
laundry, lots of pee here!
 
Del  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:14 AM
  Subject: Re: ot- flooring for pee club 
  members
  
  Rough concrete is hard to clean, even when 
  sealed. Use a heavy-duty concrete floor PAINT. Roll it on thick, and do a few 
  coats, enough to smooth out the surface. MUCH easier to clean that way. That's 
  how most industrial plant floors are in the production rooms. You just hose it 
  down, and squeegee the water down the drain. If you don't have a drain, it's 
  still easy to clean with some spray cleaner and paper towels. I NEVER use a 
  mop, mops just spread the gook around and press it into the 
  corners.
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~What experience does anyone have with cement?  Good 
  and bad.  I
  
  

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Re: ot- flooring for pee club members

[Del Daniels]

We bought a new portable tv for our bedroom guess 
what we are covering it with when not watching it ... waterproof mattress 
covers, yes, they are great.  The previous tv is well  
baptised!
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:54 
PM
  Subject: Re: ot- flooring for pee club 
  members
  
  Ha!
   
  I know the people at Walmart wonder why I buy so many waterproof mattress 
  covers. lol.
   
  I am making a room in my basement for the cats and I was thinking of just 
  painting the floors and walls both with the water proof basement sealer stuff 
  and then the waterproof floor paint.
   
  Shower panelling might be a thought.
   
  tDel Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  



Jenn,
 
I don't have a drain but this sounds 
do-able.  It will be a MAJOR project.  The room 
has cheap wood paneling on the lower half now which has absorbed the pee and 
I plan to replace that with the shower paneling which can be wiped 
off.  Last time at the grocery when I picked up three gallon 
jugs of vinegar, other people may have thought I was preparing for 
pickles ... between the cats and MIL's laundry, lots of pee 
here!
 
Del  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:14 
  AM
  Subject: Re: ot- flooring for pee 
  club members
  
  Rough concrete is hard to clean, even when 
  sealed. Use a heavy-duty concrete floor PAINT. Roll it on thick, and do a 
  few coats, enough to smooth out the surface. MUCH easier to clean that 
  way. That's how most industrial plant floors are in the production rooms. 
  You just hose it down, and squeegee the water down the drain. If you don't 
  have a drain, it's still easy to clean with some spray cleaner and paper 
  towels. I NEVER use a mop, mops just spread the gook around and press it 
  into the corners.
  Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  
   
  ~~~What experience does anyone have with cement?  Good 
  and bad.  I
  
  

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Re: postings

[Del Daniels]

Right, nothing happening ... probably a good thing 
:)
Prayers for all of our kitties to be doing 
okay.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barb 
  Moermond 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:22 
  PM
  Subject: RE: postings
  
  I doubt it's your computer, the list has just been slow the last few 
  days.Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  I 
haven't seen any postings at all lately - and I have a problem withother 
list, too, just wanted to double check if something is wrong withmy 
computer..Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El 
  Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should 
  impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
  - Anonymous
  
  
  Start 
  your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 

Re: Our boys' B-day!

[Del Daniels]

Happy Birthday Sleepypants and Ewok, may you have 
many more!
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:18 
  PM
  Subject: Our boys' B-day!
  I was going to wait to post on the actual day...but since the 
  list is alittle slow (and because I couldn't wait to announce it)  :) 
  ...Ourboys, Sleepypants and Ewok, will be 3 years old on the 22nd!  
  :)  Nottoo shabby for a couple of guys born with the virus!  
  :)Jen"But 
  if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in 
  all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome 
  responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
  deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you 
  and you will knoweach other.  If you do not talk to them you will not 
  know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one 
  destroys." --Chief DanGeorge

Re: Prayers for Buck

[Del Daniels]

Oh, no, prayers you will not lose him 
too.
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:18 
  PM
  Subject: Prayers for Buck
  Hi Guys, I hope you all will pray for my boy 
  Buck who is at the Vets tonight in critical condition. Buck is brother to 
  Spanky who I lost suddenly last week. He is suffering from another blockage 
  and this time the Doctor doesn't give much hope for recovery. Buck and Spanky 
  were both felv + since kittens, but you would never know it to look at them. 
  He is a 20lb sweet baby.  Monday he started to mope around and stopped 
  eating. I thought he was missing his brother. They were always together 
  playing or sleeping, just like twins one always seemed to know what the other 
  was thinking. I didn't realize he was sick, he hid it well. The vets around 
  here close all day Wed so I couldn't get him to a doc until this morning. So 
  now he may die because I didn't get him to a doctor sooner. I haven't had the 
  chance to get over losing Spanky and now I may lose him too. I think that is 
  why I didn't spot his illness. I guess maybe he wants to be with his brother 
  but if he leaves me it will break my heart. Thanks for listening and please 
  send good thoughts his way.  Sheila 

Re: Adri is dead

[Del Daniels]

I am sorry you have lost your Adri.
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Martha 
  Alejandra Moreno 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:44 PM
  Subject: Adri is dead
  
  
  Thank you all for your words.  I am feeling very bad. 
  I still have chema, he is also FeLV(+) (I adopted Adri and Chema at the 
  same time, i didn't know they had FeLV). Chema has been pretty heathly. I 
  really hope he will be heathly for looong time.
  it is heartbreaking see chema looking for Adri
  >From: 
  "Terri Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: 
  >Subject: Re: Help for 
  Adri>Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:57:26 -0400>>Don't punish 
  yourself over this. It isn't your fault. I understand why you feel that way 
  though. my husband said the same thing after we lost our fourth FeLV+ cat, 
  Alec. It just got too painful.>>Keep your chin 
  up.>>Terri B in NJ> - Original Message -> 
  From: Martha Alejandra Moreno> To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:03 PM> Subject: Re: Help for 
  Adri>>> I feel horrible. They are my first pet ever. I do 
  not want to have a FeLV(+) cat never again. This is to hard to live 
  again>> >From: "Terri Brown" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
  >Reply-To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  >To: 
  >> 
  >Subject: Re: Help for Adri> >Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:54:01 
  -0400> >> >Uh-oh> >> >Sounds like 
  she's got anemia. Has she been tested for hemobartinella? If she has and is 
  not infected, the vet may (unfortunately) be correct..I've lost 3 due to 
  severe anemia. It's devastating, I know.> >> >Positive 
  vibes and hugs coming your way.> >> >=^..^= Terri, 
  Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: 
  RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=> >> 
  >Furkid Photos! 
  http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/> 
  >My FeLV Site: 
  http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/> 
  >My Personal Page: 
  http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350> 
  > - Original Message -> > From: 
  Chris> > To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:49 PM> > Subject: Help for 
  Adri> >> >> > I'm not really experienced enough 
  to give you specifics. I know there are other people on this list who are and 
  perhaps they can give you some suggestions. I know that getting her to drink 
  is real important so anything you can do to get her to take some water. also, 
  try to feed her anything at all-water from a can of tuna, baby food (without 
  onions), turkey breast, yogurt, cottage cheese, absolutely anything that you 
  think she might try. Did the vet see her? What did he say was going on with 
  her? I know that sometimes they want to run a lot of tests but he should have 
  been able to give you a better idea of what's going on with Adri..> 
  >> >> >> > Chris> >> > 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> 
  > -Original Message-> > From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martha Alejandra 
  Moreno> > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:43 PM> > To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: re:> >> 
  >> >> > She is very pale, she does not want to eat, to 
  drink, to walk, she barely moves; (she never meauw) but since today when she 
  try to walk and fall she start to make a very sad noise it is not a normal 
  meaw is loud and different I do not how to decribe it> >> 
  >> >> >> 
>>

Re: Deirdre interferon - Brenda

[Del Daniels]

Brenda - I'm happy to hear Lovey and Merry are 
doing well.
Give them some neck scratches for me.
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brenda K. 
  Smith 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:36 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Deirdre interferon - advice 
  needed
  Kathy.    I have three positive 
  cats on the human (Alpha A) Interferon.  I give 1 ml daily which is the 
  newest protocol as far as I know.  The research found that Interferon 
  does not stay in the body long and by using 7 days on and then 7 days off, the 
  effects are being negated on the 7 days off, hence the daily dose of 
  Interferon.  I have been using the daily dosage for three years with my 
  Peri.  He is at least 9-1/2 years old (I've had him for 7-1/2 years) and 
  has absolutely no symptoms of FELV.  I adopted two more Felv+ cats from 
  the Athens, GA area, where they still use gas chambers to put to sleep at 
  their shelters, last February and have them both on a daily dose.  I 
  would HIGHLY recommend the daily dose of 30 units which equals 1 ml 
  daily.  Keep it refrigerated and squirt toward the back of the throat 
  slowly.  It is absorbed through the mucous membranes at the back of the 
  throat.    I get my Interferon from Island 
  Pharmacy.  They are based in Wisconsin about 90 miles from me.  In 
  winter I pay $40.00 for 100 ml and $7 or $8 for shipping since I get it next 
  day or in 2 days with cold packs.  When I have my vet write for all three 
  cats, then I get 300 ml for $44.00.  When the pharmacy can mix more of 
  the Interferon in the batch it costs less, but you have to have the 
  prescription in all three names.  I had to just reorder for my three and 
  even though they are close to me because it has been so hot, I had to pay for 
  overnight shipping which was $18 something I think.  If I were you I 
  would ask your vet to write a script for 100 ml at a time and give it 1 ml 
  every day.  Unless I read new research that suggests giving daily is not 
  the protocol to use, I will continue to do so.  Right now my three are 
  healthy, happy and act like normal wonderful cats.  Peri is at least 
  9-1/2 years, Lovey is about 1-1/2 years and Merry is around 2 
  years.    My very best to you and Deirdre.  I hope 
  she has many, many wonderful years with you. :)-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.


Kathy Gittel wrote:
I want to thank everyone who responded here. It appears that human 
interferon dies when it's hot and everyone charges $20-28 for special 
over night cold pack shipping. So I paid $50 for 60mls of interferon. 
The interferon itself only cost $28, but the shipping was $22.

After 4 days on it, her lymph nodes under her chin have gotten much 
smaller. They've been enlarged since a month ago when she had a cold. 
I was amazed that there was an improvement so quickly.

My vet and I are unsure whether to do the "7 days on 7 days off" 
routine with the interferon or just give her 1 ml a day forever. What 
are you folks doing? What do you think works best? And is everyone 
giving 1ml/daily?

Kathy and Deirdre (we don't know what we'd do without this list) 

  
  

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Re: CLS for belinda and all the group

[Del Daniels]

Macarena,
 
I am so sorry for your loss of Riso and Kurt.  

Big hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  maca cats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:22 
  AM
  Subject: CLS for belinda and all the 
  group
  hi dear group,i have been mostly lurking lately, and so 
  sad for recent losses, yoursand mine, that I couldn't write, kind of a 
  frozen state...I want to send hugs for evey one of you that is 
  struggling with diseaseand of course for all of you who have lost a dear 
  friend recently. here it has been a hard battle too. on may 27 our 
  lovely Riso died atera terrible night. He had been diagnosed with 
  pancreatitis, which isfatal, and given 2 months to live. he lived for 8 
  months of reasonablelife quality with our care, but finally his little 
  body couldn'fight anylonger, and his last night he spent almost in comma, 
  with an IV line athome, at bed with us, and he died peacefully in his 
  sleep. I could bearit because we knes he was going to die, so we were at 
  peace since wegave him the best we could.but then Kurt got 
  sick..he was the light of my lie, 9 1/2 yo, he was theone who made me 
  understand cats, we communicated with each other in away I fear i will 
  never be able to with any other creature. I miss himso much. he died on 
  july 17, and i couldn't stop holding him until weburied him, he was cold 
  and stiff, ... I never had so much troubleletting go... I still feear to 
  go to bed every night, because myinstinct is always to call him. he slept 
  by my side, with his little pawover my neck for years, now i misss him as 
  if a part of my body isgone...I know only you can understand what I am 
  talking about...Belinda, could you please add Riso and Kurt to the 
  CLS? it helps to seethem remembered in some place. Also could you please 
  add Canelo, anadorable orange tabby who belonged to my nephews, and was 
  killed by acar last july 27. thank you so much for being theer, at 
  the end of the line.sad Macarena and the 13 
furballs.Chile

Re: Sniffles and red face- Lancelot

[Del Daniels]

Gloria,
 
While pricey, have you tested him for 
allergies?  It was close to $300 for each of my Daisy (-) and Butch 
(FIV+).  Now they have allergy shots.  Daisy is allergic to many 
things and changing her food has helped considerably.  Both of them still 
have flare-ups; theirs is skin.  The IVD fm the vet was best but Daisy will 
only eat Wellness chicken or turkey.  Her allergies are the carbs! rice, 
grains, etc., unusual for cats.  Butch did not test positive for foods yet 
the IVD or Wellness has helped him as well.  The allergy serum isn't cheap 
either, again about $300 each for a batch which lasts quite a while ... began in 
early January I think and still using the same vials.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:58 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Sniffles and red face- 
  Lancelot
  OK - Lancelot's getting better but still not out of the 
  water!   Again, he is a mostly white, felv- cat (maybe 1.5 yr 
  old) with  allergies.I took him to a second vet I go to, 1 
  hour away.  She did ozone, and  gave me Ovaban (sp).  He 
  did get better. We did 1 week of daily  Ovaban, then once a 
  week.He's not scratching as badly, swelling has gone down, his nose 
  isn't  nearly as plugged up, but he still looks somewhat inflamed and 
  a  little sniffly.   I'm taking him back to her this week 
  sometime, for  more ozone.   He's still red faced, a 
  bit.Before that, he had Amoxi, Zeniquin, Dex, Tylosin, 
  intereferon,   blood test, skin biopsy, ear fungal test, other 
  stuff.  Have tried  Transfer Factor periodically, but hard to do 
  because of the picky way  he eats (and having 8-9 other cats).  
  Have used Interferon regularly.I just can't get this kitty 
  "WELL".  Somebody suggested Cyclosporin.   First vet said 
  this is expensive, I'll ask the second vet. But they  say he has 
  ALLERGIES.   I am changing to Petguard (health food store)  
  pet food.  Any suggestions for allergies?  Trying to get this 
  kitty  well!GloriaOn Jul 18, 2005, at 7:26 PM, 
  catatonya wrote:> Great News>> Gloria 
  Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: I'd written about my  > problems with Lancelot - my little 
  mostly white> kitty - he had the slight sniffles, red swollen face and 
  eyes, face> and neck starting to itch. Weird. His nose was stopped up, 
  he looked> miserable. He was starting to scratch bloody places on his 
  neck.>> Took him to my "usual" vet, who tried Amoxi, Zeniquin, 
  blood test,> fungal test. No help. He had a couple of Cortisone shots, 
  the 1st> seemed to make it better then worse. She suggested food or 
  other> allergies as a possibilities.>> Last Friday, I 
  took him to another vet I go to, about an hour away in> Hot Springs. 
  I've gone to her before for several years. She gave> him ozone in his 
  ears (ear insufflation), did a skin biopsy, then> gave me Ovaban (if I 
  spelled it right) and I'm giving him that for a> week (then reduce to 
  once a week).>> Guess what! He's better. I'll still be curious 
  to see what the skin> biopsy says, but I'm delighted.>> 
  Gloria On Jul 2, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Gloria B. 
  Lane wrote:> > Hey Tonya,> >> > I just attempted 
  to have some Chlorphenarimine / Chlor Trimeton> > compounded into an 
  ear cream. They got it wrong and made a liquid> > for oral 
  consumption. The pharmacy said the ear cream would be $50.> 
  >> > I'm curious - how much do you get and how much does it 
  cost?> >> > I didn't know you could give kitties Benadryl, 
  so interested in  > that.> >> > My problem is 
  Lancelot - got him in January,February - declawed,> > outdoors for 
  two months. He had the sniffles. I've tried> > everything - Lysine, 
  Interferon, antibiotics, most recently a depo> > shot, which of 
  course did help some. THought I'd do the ear cream> > because he's 
  so hard to pill.> >> > Anyhow - any suggestions are 
  appreciated, and info on *ear cream* !> >> > 
  Gloria> >> >> >> > At 12:26 PM 
  7/2/2005, you wrote:> >> >> I had it compounded into a 
  cream for her ears to make it easier to> >> give it to her. She 
  is overgrooming her tummy and her 2 back legs> >> to where there 
  is very little hair yet. The vet says it's> >> allergies and 
  recommended prednisolone. We tried the baths, but> >> she really 
  HATED that!> >>> >> her benadryl dose is 25 mg. 
  twice daily.> >>> >> t> >>> 
  >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> 
  >> What is the dose, and why is she getting it? And why in her 
  ears?> >> You can actually give Benadryl orally to cats, the 
  dosage is 1MG> >> per pound, so since a tablet is 25MG, you'd 
  need to give a little> >> less than 1/2 a tablet to a 10 pound 
  cat, or if you buy the> >> capsules, you can dissolve the opened 
  capsule's powder into a bit> >> of water, shake well, and only 
  give 1/3 of the liquid, OR use> >> children's benadryl liquid, 
  but I'm not sure the strength of that,> >> so 

Re: Bramble is worse

[Del Daniels]

Michelle,
 
I'm sorry Bramble is giving up, he has surely been a brave fella.  
Peace and prayers for you and Bramble.
Hugs,Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:22 
  PM
  Subject: Bramble is worse
  
  Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph 
  nodes and refuses to eat showing no interest in food. I force fed 
  him bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that 
  he is starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need 
  to help him pass. I know I need to not cry and be distressed in front of 
  him but I am just sobbing my heart out. The vet has given a vitamin B complex 
  that sometimes helps stimulate appetite to try over the weekend but I think my 
  boy is getting too tired now after his brave fight. If it was just pain 
  related I may have considered temporary feeding tube but today is more 
  disengaging and complete  lack of motivation or interest and I don't 
  think it's fair to do the feeding tube if he has truly had enough - I can't 
  put him through anymore if he is saying no more.
   
  Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel & 
Buddy.

Re: Add Sunshine to the CLS

[Del Daniels]

Bless you Gloria for giving love to this precious 
furbaby.  Doesn't it just break your heart that she suffered in her life 
without anyone to care for her.  She had your care in her last 
hours.
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:49 
  AM
  Subject: Add Sunshine to the CLS
  Please add Sunshine to the CLS (she's FIV, not FELV).  The 
  golden  kitty Sunshine showed up in a friend's back yard, unable to 
  walk, and  I had her for about a week.  She did eat a little, 
  and we gave her  fluids and soft foods and meds.  But there was 
  something about her  brain and nervous system, and she did test 
  positive for FIV.  When I  got her, she couldn't walk, she 
  was  conscious and ate a little, but  she deteriorated. At some 
  point she started having seizures and we  gave her a little sedative, 
  and she never woke up.  She was a sweet,  young, yellow FIV 
  kitty who probably just didn't appropriate care in  her short 
  lifetime.Sleep soft sweet 
Sunshine.Gloria

Re: Hi Everyone

[Del Daniels]

Julie  You have been in my thoughts and not 
hearing from you in a long time, I worried the worst ... sounds like you are 
hovering about there (worst) ... hopefully that worst is over and you, hubby, 
and kitties are on the upswing.  You have certainly had an overflowing 
plate.
 
Prayers and healthy thoughts continue for 
you.
Big hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:40 
  AM
  Subject: Hi Everyone
  
  Dear Friends,
   
  I tried to get thru my overflowing (months!) of email and it just wasn't 
  going to happen.  I can see that we have suffered some terrible losses 
  and my heart goes out to everyone who has lost a beloved companion; I hope 
  your memories will comfort you.  It also seems that we have new members; 
  the reason for finding this group is always sad, but you will never find a 
  group of more loving, caring friends.
   
  Some of you might remember that last winter my husband was diagnosed with 
  multiple aneurysms; the most serious was in his abdomen and after weeks of 
  tests and referrals, he was scheduled for surgery because the abdominal 
  aneurysm was felt to be in danger of rupture.  He had that surgery and 
  came through it well.  He was home for about a week and one morning we 
  were up having coffee and he suddenly got this really strange look on his 
  face; I asked if he needed pain medication and he said, "no; I'm blind". OK; 
  bit of a heart-stopper there. He was rushed to the ER and it was finally 
  determined that his left carotid artery was completely blocked and he'd 
  actually had blood flow stop temporarily.  He was transferred by 
  ambulance back to the hospital in Hartford where he had his prior surgery (we 
  live about 30 miles east) and had emergency surgery to clean out the 
  artery.  I repeatedly asked how this could have been missed after all the 
  screening that was done pre-surgery since he is a high-risk patient (diabetic 
  and known cardiac blockage).  I really got no answers and I am angry to 
  this day that he could easily have died or been left permanently 
  impaired.  His sight did return and we feel fortunate, but once again, I 
  feel my trust in the medical community erode a bit further.  We 
  absolutely did not intend to sue anyone; we simply wanted to be sure that 
  absolutely everything that he SHOULD be screened for (how can you ask for it 
  if you don't know about it?) he was screened for.  He's left with some 
  numbness on one side of his face that primarily bothers him when he trims his 
  beard (says it feels weird), and a big scar from behind his ear to his collar 
  bone; big deal, right? I told him it just makes him look tough!  I was 
  out of work for a bit caring for him (he's now back to work, too) and came 
  back to a nightmare of project deadlines, office moves, a new boss, and a 
  generally toxic workplace!
   
  On the kitty front, Brownie (FIV+) had both his eyes removed and he is 
  like a different cat!  He rubs his head all over now; it obviously hurt 
  too much to do it before.  I will never use the vet who initially 
  screened him again.  
   
  Tater Tot is in the hospital on an IV and being evaluated.  He had a 
  mild cold about 2 weeks ago and I took him in and we decided to give sub-q 
  fluids and Lysine since he does have herpes and it just seemed to be a 
  particularly bad flare-up (I was given a sample of a new veterinary lysine gel 
  to try and evaluate; thumbs down!  It was way too think and 500mg worth 
  was a really big blob that he was having no part of; so stick to the capsules 
  until they reformulate, is my advice!).  Since then, I've observed him 
  straining to poop and passing tiny little stools and by this weekend it was 
  obvious that fluid was collecting in his belly.  The aspirate didn't look 
  like typical FIP fluid, but it's being sent out and bloodwork and many other 
  tests are being done.  My heart is just breaking for him; he's only six 
  years old and been sick so much of his life.  They've already warned me 
  that whatever is going on is not good but I just pray that it's 
  treatable.  Please think good thoughts for him.
   
  It's been a hot, muggy and miserable summer here in the Northeast and I 
  am having a terrible flea outbreak; I swear that I have some mutant strain of 
  super-fleas that nothing will kill!  I've used Borax successfully for 
  years, and at one point (in a room I have sealed off) they were jumping 
  out of it!  I'd left an absurd amount on the floor (like half an inch; 
  thinking, "I WILL kill you") and I went in to check and vacuum it up after a 
  few DAYS and they were leaping out of it biting me!  I swear they were 
  bigger and stronger than before I put the Borax down!  I've had to use 
  Frontline on everyone (Program for the ferals because I can slip it into their 
  food) which I hate to do because I think it's 

Re: No Exploratory (Yet) for Tater Tot

[Del Daniels]

Loving hugs and positive prayers for you and Tater 
Tot.  What a cute name for a tiny fella.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:09 
  AM
  Subject: No Exploratory (Yet) for Tater 
  Tot
  
  Dear Friends,
   
  Tater Tot came home on Saturday.  The fluid was drained and was more 
  thick and yellow than earlier in the week.  One more brick in the wall 
  for an FIP diagnosis.  I talked at length with Wendy when I picked him up 
  on Saturday and while she was willing to do the exploratory, she wasn't 
  awfully positive about what we'd find and felt he was rather high-risk.  
  I did talk to her about a CAT scan and she agreed it could be useful to rule 
  out other diseases and wouldn't carry the risks of exploratory surgery.  
  She's contacting an internist today to try and set up a referral.
   
  He's eating and seems interested in everything around him, but his belly 
  is already starting to fill again.  I've been reading everything possible 
  about FIP and just joined the Yahoo group.  
   
  Please keep him in your thoughts.
   
  Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the 
  more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
  "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by 
  the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
  Start 
  your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 

Re: stress + hubby

[Del Daniels]

How scary re your hubby.  Prayers that today 
will bring a diagnosis ... and easy treatment.
 
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terri 
  Durham-Stone 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:44 
  AM
  Subject: Re: stress
  Hi - thank you all for your warm thoughts prayersI am 
  holding up ok. All my furr babies keep me going.Looks like my other 4 
  FeLV + kittens will be heading to Chicago to be in areal home until 
  re-testing then if neg will be adopted out.  A friend issetting up 
  transportation.  They are just so sweet.FIP is the worst ,,, nothing 
  you can do,  only prolong it by draining thefluid but I can't see 
  making them suffer.  We sure have had a lot of itthis year, and your 
  right ,,, FelV is I think a lesser of the 2 evils.Yesterday at work, 
  Hubby started acting funny - he was incoherant - heseems to be better now 
  but they don't know what caused it.  They ran allkinds of test 
  yesterday - will go up to the hospital this morning to seehim.  He is 
  also very swollen like retaining water,  they still have notfound out 
  why.Maybe today we will have some answers and maybe a better 
  day.Thank youTerri - hangin onNina 
  wrote:> Oh Terri,> What terrible news!  You have so 
  much to deal with, you must be near> breaking point.  Hold on, 
  keep strong, things have to get better soon.> You must be one strong 
  lady to be able to deal with it all.  (Don't> argue, you are 
  dealing).  What sent your husband to the hospital?  I'm> 
  praying for strength for you and good health for your husband and the> 
  remaining kitties.> Nina>> Terri Durham-Stone 
  wrote:>> > Today, I had another 4 month old kitten with FIP 
  he (Cosmo) i called> > him my little Cosimo .  is now over 
  the bridge... No siblings,  he> > was an only kitten brought in 
  and dropped off at Petco.> > Hubby in hospital,  will be doing 
  test - not sure what is wrong,  Man> > this has been a crappy 
  day> > Worried and Tired and no tears left ,,--Terri 
  Durham-StoneSafe a Life "Spay and Neuter"Live well, Love much, Laugh 
  Often

Re: Bramble

[Del Daniels]

Michelle,
 
Peace to you and your sweet Bramble.  He is surely romping once again, 
healthy and full of vigor.  You fought hard for him and gave him the love 
he deserved.
 
Hugs,
Del
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:04 
  PM
  Subject: Thanks
  
  Thankyou all for kind words over Brambles passing. I am at peace becase I 
  know it was right for him. He told me he had had enough and I am in no doubt 
  of that. I can't remember who it was here who suggeted communicating with your 
  cats in that way but I thank you so much - it is the way I will go in future - 
  it was a learning experience but so spiritual - I listened and I heard - and 
  it was right each time. What does upset me is that Buddy and Minstrel are 
  upset now - both are disturbed and looking around for him - especially Buddy 
  as she looked after him and washed him - I was doing well but have just 
  rolled around screaming in tears trying to explain to them what had happened. 
  
   
  What I did forget to say though in my last mail is that when I took 
  Bramble in from the sanctuary I promised I would never let him down and that I 
  would never dessert him (as his last 2 owners dumped him when he was sick) - I 
  recited this promise to him today and his ashes are coming home to stay with 
  me despite only having him for a short time- I loved him as much as I ever 
  could and he belongs with me.
   
  Michelle
   
   

Re: Tater Tot

[Del Daniels]

Oh, Julie, how sad your little Tater Tot has left 
you.  I was thinking about him this morning and wondered how he was 
doing.  You will surely miss him and his antics.  He is no longer 
suffering.  May your happy memories of him help you through your 
grief.  Many hugs, Del
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:31 
  AM
  Subject: Tater Tot
  
  Dear Friends,
   
  My sweet little man is gone.  Sunday evening he started having 
  seizures; we rushed him to the ER and chose to end his suffering.  He'd 
  been hanging in there; Saturday night he got up and checked out the fresh 
  catnip on the scratching pad and Sunday morning he was the first one at the 
  food dish, although he didn't eat much.  He started to go downhill rather 
  quickly on Sunday afternoon and I was preparing to call the ER when the 
  seizures started.  
   
  I hope he knew we were with him; I think he did.  He was only 6 
  years of age and he was such a silly little busybody.  He had to grab my 
  apron strings every morning when I was getting ready to feed and he loved to 
  eat from the top level of the condo so he could lean down and grab the tail of 
  whoever was below. 
   
  Thank you all for your good wishes and prayers for him; you're the most 
  special group of people I've ever known.
   
  Love, Julie "I hold that, the more helpless a 
  creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of 
  man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
  by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
  Start 
  your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 

Re: Ewok has a tumor... :(

[Del Daniels]

Blessings on Ewok.  My Effie woke me up 
one morning with labored breathing and had chemo that day.  She had 
mediastinal lymphoma.  She responded quickly to the chemo, and went 
into remission.  Continued chemo kept her chipper for seven wonderful 
months.  There were very little to no side effects ... doc and I agreed to 
deliberately treat for quality of life, not quantity.  The lymphoma 
diagnosis is a real pisser.
 
Hugs, Del  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:24 
  PM
  Subject: Ewok has a tumor... :(
  Damn, damn, damn...but I can't tell you guys enough how so very 
  proud of this little man I am...my vet was able to get us into the 
  oncologist's office straight away and it was confirmed that he has 
  lymphosarcoma in his chest cavity.  He went through his first round 
  of chemo this morning (everything has happened so fast...I'll probably be 
  hitting the wine supply shortly...forget going back to work!  
  ;)  )...anyhoo, all we can do now is wait and see how the tumor 
  responds.  My vet was actually quite impressed with his overall 
  health (bloodwork, etc.) that she even retested him for leukemia to see if 
  he hadn't thrown the virus off...but, unfortunately, he's still coming up 
  positive.  No mattter, though, he seems to be pretty upbeat 
  irregardless...incessently grooming all his shaved spots...if all goes 
  well, the oncologist says perhaps six to eight months (although he 
  treated a feleuk guy who's going on 2 years remission), and I'll take 
  it seeing as though, for these Feleuk guys, 6 months is a 
  lifetime...Thank you all so much for your good wishes, they truly mean 
  the world to me, especially in the days 
  ahead!Jen"But 
  if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique 
  in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become 
  responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de 
  Saint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and 
  you will know each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not 
  know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one 
  destroys." --Chief Dan George

Re: Vacs

[Del Daniels]

Hi Terri,
 
Since they already are FeLV+, do not give the FeLV 
vaccine.  The other vaccines are up to you.  Some vets/people feel 
they need all of their immune system to fight the FeLV and adding vaccines would 
further complicate it ... other vets/people feel the opposite, that they need 
the extra protection from the vaccines.  
I chose to give the kitties their first vaccine and 
first Rabies and no more.
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Terri 
  Durham-Stone 
  To: FELV Talk List 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:07 
  AM
  Subject: Vacs
  Hi,  I am new to Leukemia,  but have 4 kittens (4 
  months)  that havetested pos 2 times now and am wondering,  they 
  have had their 1st shots(3-1's)  but not with Leukemia,  should 
  they get at least a 4-1 ?  I wastold "not" to give them the 
  Leukemia.Thank youTerriwww.anyfelinerescue.org--Terri 
  Durham-StoneSafe a Life "Spay and Neuter"Live well, Love much, Laugh 
  Often

Re: CLS for Marie Cat

[Del Daniels]

My sympathies, Tad, for your loss of Marie 
Cat, she must have been quite the fine lady.
 
I have not kept up very well with responding to the 
posts, my sympathies also to all for the many other losses.  Each 
one breaks our hearts and are sadly missed.  
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tad 
  Burnett 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:28 
  AM
  Subject: CLS for Marie Cat
  Sadly my Marie Cat passed away quietly last 
  evening..9/4/2005...She was a beautiful Russian Blue...She was my 
  first FeLV+ cat..I brought her home almost 2 years ago to the dayShe 
  was thought to be near 16 years old but she was picked up as a stray and we 
  don't know for sure..I rescued her with a group of 4 cats all starving and 
  eaten by fleas..Marie was very down and they didn't think she would survived 
  the 300 mile trip home but i wanted to give her a chance...I didn't know 
  they were FeLV+ until I took them to my vet and that is when I decided to 
  start my FeLV+ room..I lost one of the kittens is a short time but her brother 
  is still here...Marie has always acted like an old cat but got around and 
  had her favorite spots in sunny windows and on the soft rug on the breeze 
  way...She enjoyed both those spots yesterday...About a week ago she 
  started drinking a lot of water and then throwing up...I put her on an A/D 
  diet and she seemed fine for a couple days then started not eating...She 
  excepted some from a suringe but not enough...Last evening she only wanted 
  about 10 cc and then wanted to get in the window over my bed...I had to help 
  her climb up there...She stayed there for a couple hours then came down beside 
  me where she always slept and before long she had passed onI might 
  have been able to do more to extend her life but she was old and she was 
  comfortable and happy right up to the end...She was a very special cat, 
  like all the others too, and she will remain in my heart 
  forever Tad

Re: Sad News

[Del Daniels]

Julie, you really have an overwhelming situation 
with so many seriously ill at the same time.  I am so sorry.  Sending 
you big hugs, Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:08 
  AM
  Subject: Sad News
  
  Hi Everyone,
   
  I have some sad news to share.  First, Mandy's biopsies are 
  back and she has oral squamous cell carcinoma.  The entire back of her 
  tongue is involved.  We are consulting a surgeon, but her prognosis is 
  very poor, indeed.  The surgery would be horrendous (possibly removing 
  part of her jaw, too), followed by radiation therapy.  Even with this 
  extreme treatment, the recurrance rate for this kind of cancer is very high; I 
  understand sometimes within just a couple of months.  Mandy is a sweet 
  little girl (Tater Tot's sister) who loves to come visit on her terms, but 
  does not like being handled.  Medicating her and syringe-feeding are 
  nearly impossible.  I'm not sure at this point what we will do or 
  not do.
   
  Paulie, (the father of Mandy and Tater) is 7 years old and is in renal 
  failure.
  He is feral and although I can capture him when I have to, I would need 
  to keep him in his own room to get treatment.  When he had the corneal 
  ulcer, it was a much different story and we had a treatment plan and a 
  projected outcome.  For CRF, I can't see imposing that on him just to 
  keep him a bit longer.  He is eating again and seems a bit more like 
  himself (won't let me pet him!) so we'll just see how he does.
   
  Cosmo has a dislocated ankle and according to the consulting radiologist, 
  it cannot be splinted.  He would need surgery to have the bones fused and 
  he would then have a stiff leg that he couldn't bend at the wrist.  I 
  have to investigate this more, because we all agree that he is starting to put 
  more weight on the leg and the bones may actually be fusing in this position 
  which is not much different than it would be after surgery.  Again, not 
  sure how we will proceed for him.  He does not seem to be in any 
  pain; you can move his leg every which-way and he does not make a peep or try 
  to pull his paw away.  He just obviously favors the leg.
   
  I'm just overwhelmed by all this.  It's breaking my heart. Having so 
  many cats, I knew that a day would likely come when I had several who were ill 
  all at the same time, and that has certainly happened before.  I've not 
  faced or dealt with so many probably being terminal, though.  I suppose 
  one can never fully prepare for that emotionally.  
   
  Thanks for listening, everyone, and please keep my "kids" in your 
  thoughts.
   
  Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the 
  more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
  "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by 
  the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
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Re: Gracie is at peace now

[Del Daniels]

Nina,
 
Hugs to you in your grief of losing Gracie.  
She sounds so wonderful in your memories.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:29 
  PM
  Subject: Gracie is at peace now
  Thank you Mary Christine, and thank you to everyone that has 
  been there with us throughout our journey together.  Your support has 
  meant the world to us. Grace is free now.  She was more than 
  ready to go, she was anxious to go.  She knew two days ago, I knew 
  yesterday.  Thankfully she didn't seem to suffer too much in her last 
  days, just very tired, very ready.  I'm glad it was our beloved Dr. 
  Ortega that helped her across.  She never left my touch and I spoke 
  to her the whole time.  It was gentle and peaceful, Dr. Ortega was 
  kind and considerate, just like we knew she would be.  There was no 
  trouble finding a vein in her back leg.  Blessings to those who know 
  what they are doing.  She even purred when we entered the exam 
  room.  She had been pulling away from me these last couple of 
  days.  That may have been the hardest aspect of her passing, that 
  while she was still here she was already breaking the ties that held her 
  to this world.  I began mourning her two days ago when I knew she 
  would never again jump gaily in my lap.  Never again be my "heart 
  warmer".  I was asking her to let me warm her heart now, let me get 
  her heart chakra spinning, as she'd done for me so many times.  I 
  thought that was never to be again.  When we sat peacefully waiting 
  for the doctor and the gurney, she gave me the most wonderful gift.  
  She stretched herself out on her back in my arms and luxuriated in my 
  scratching her neck and her chest.  I am so grateful that she chose 
  to be my heart warmer one more time, that she came back to me before she 
  had to finally leave her wonderful little body behind.  Bruce and I 
  have just buried her in one of her favorite spots, a spot that she would 
  sit and watch and listen and nap for hours.  It was so hard to let go 
  of her perfect little body for the last time.  Because, you see, it 
  was perfect.  I told her that all the time.  That she was 
  perfect, just the way she was.  I wouldn't change a thing about 
  knowing her and loving her.  She has been an incredible joy in my 
  life and she always will be.The first time we almost lost her she was 
  only 5 mos old.  Gracie has trusted me to decide what was best for 
  her, she has been my willing partner in trying to find a way to help her 
  stay.  It was time to trust her, she knew what was best.  We 
  were partners, we were friends, she was my girl and she welcomed me as her 
  mommy without fur.  I thank her for her gifts to me and for the 
  lessons we learned together.Much love,NinaTenHouseCats 
  wrote:>oh, nina-->>i'm so sorry. this is the first 
  time i've had the computer up in more>than a day--glorious 
  thunderstorms all day yesterday, so i believe>that grace is at the 
  bridge as i write this.>>all GLOW to her to find her way safely, 
  and to heal your heart...>>i really liked the illusion of a 
  great heart being able to break time>and time again, and still have 
  room to love again. someone said once>that the pain we feel when they 
  leave is their little claws digging>their permanent, forever place in 
  our hearts.>>i've done things every way there is--holding on too 
  long for ME,>rather than for them (i don't do that anymore, tho it's 
  "easier" in>ways to do so), having the vet come to the house (my 
  preferred way>when the cat needs my help to cross), rushing a kitty to 
  the emergency>vet at 4 in the morning when they are clearly suffering, 
  holding their>paw as they consciously let go, holding them in my arms, 
  against my>heart, even after their spirits are long gone but they 
  haven't quite>been able to leave their bodies behind; i've begged them 
  to let go and>go home, i've begged the universe to let them stay with 
  me, i've>wanted to scream to the vet, "no! what if i'm wrong, what if 
  it's not>really time?," i've gone to get the valium to help them relax 
  only to>return to find they'd gone on without me; i've held them in my 
  arms>when that's what they seemed to want, and let them be alone 
  when>that's what they wanted--tho that is the HARDEST for me, to 
  respect>their need to transition in their own space; i've done 
  mouth-to-snout>resuscitation>>i have learned to 
  listen to them, knowing that they are much wiser>about the cycles of 
  life than i will ever be. i make sure they know>how much i love them, 
  that i will ALWAYS love them, i thank them for>sharing their lives with 
  me, and i tell them they are free to go when>it is time. i ask them to 
  tell me if they need my help; i talk to them>about their kittenhoods, 
  and how much fun we've had together, and how,>at the bridge, they will 
  have young healthy bodies again 

Re: Paulie is gone

[Del Daniels]

Julie,
 
I remember Paulie from when he had the eye 
problem forever.  So sad for you to lose him.  My Gigi Sue was feral 
and lived under our bed during the day and enjoyed the rest of the house as soon 
as we went to bed, they don't have to be lap kitties to hug our hearts and be 
greatly missed.  She passed young, too.
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 3:13 
  PM
  Subject: Paulie is gone
  
  Dear Friends,
   
  Paulie slipped peacefully away a short while ago.  It was what I 
  hoped for him.  He was quite calm and sleepy from the tranquilizer and 
  the injection was smooth and easy.
   
  Nina, he's surely with Grace.  
   
  Thank you all for your thoughts and good wishes; most people don't 
  understand why one would choose to share a home with feral cats and certainly 
  don't understand how losing one of so many can leave the house so empty.
   
  Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the 
  more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
  "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by 
  the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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Re: playing at the bridge

[Del Daniels]

Peace to little occikitten.  You may be right, 
so many lives lost recently and they are looking for new buddies to love in 
heaven.  Last February my friend lost her battle with Cancer and I took her 
last two cats ... within a couple days my own FeLV+ looked up at me and 
said "no more, Mommy" as I tried to medicate her against her own battle with 
lymphoma ... my friend Liz took her "home" with her.  
 
Hugs, Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  TenHouseCats 
  To: FeLVTalk 
  Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 6:47 
  PM
  Subject: playing at the bridge
  between grace's passing, and learning of paulie's journey, i 
  lay on mycouch while a six-week-old ocikitten lay under my shirt, taking 
  hislast breathsi hope that grace and paulie will take him 
  under their wings and teachhim all about being a cat, since he really 
  never had a chance to beone this time around. i wonder if there is such a 
  need right now, atthe bridge, for wonderful cats, because of all the 
  people who weresent flying home with these mighty storms? GLOW to all the 
  critters,of all species, who have and may soon find their way 
  home--MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: 
  TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 
  289856892

Re: Update on Sophie

[Del Daniels]

Sophie is a pretty girl.  I am amazed 
everytime I read about her.  There was definitely perseverance and love on 
your part to pursue her care and she is quite grateful.  
 
Hugs,
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:52 
  PM
  Subject: Update on Sophie
  Hi everyone,   I tried to send 
  this update yesterday but it failed, I guess because I embedded a picture in 
  it so this time I will send it without the picture.  There is a link to 
  see her pictures on her website, if anyone is interested.  Here is the 
  update I sent out:Hi everyone,I wanted to post an update on 
  Sophie. For those of you who are already familiar with Sophie, I would like to 
  let you know right off that she is doing just great. She has not needed an 
  enema in over 4 months. When she seems to be having trouble, it is not long 
  before she figures out how to take care of it herself. I think she has 
  regained enervation in her rear quarters. She is a happy, healthy, active, 
  loving little girl. She pads around the house chirping and singing and talking 
  and is interested in everything around her, it seems. She seems to love me so 
  much and I do her, too. She is mixing with the other cats pretty well, too. 
  For those of you who are not familiar with Sophie's story, here is a 
  recap, if you are interested. Sophie was a sweet, peach and grey tortie kitten 
  when the caring person who was feeding her noticed her tail looking broken. 
  The vet determined that Sophie needed to have her tail amputated as it 
  appeared to be "dead". While amputating her tail, the vet also destroyed 
  Sophie's anus and surrounding tissue, in error. Sophie did well at 
  first but soon developed scar tissue over her anal area which prevented her 
  from passing stool well, or at all. The stool would become impacted against 
  her scar tissue and would make her rear end bulge out with stool grotesquely. 
  It was awful. Sophie quickly became obstructed to the point that I had 
  to take her to the vet to have an enema under anesthesia. The vet recommended 
  that I put her down because she would require frequent cleansing enemas under 
  anesthesia and would be miserable between enemas when the stool would begin to 
  build up all over again. I knew she would have to have so much anesthesia and 
  worrying about the effect of all that on her and the cost was more than I 
  could afford as they charged about $90 for each cleansing enema with 
  anesthesia. I thought her quality of life would be very poor because the vet 
  hammered home that idea.I asked if possibly Michigan State University 
  Small Animal Clinic could do any kind of reconstructive surgery. The vet 
  replied that he did not know but doubted it. He did give me a referral, 
  grudgingly, and there a wonderful surgeon by the name of Bryden Stanley said 
  she could create an anus for Sophie by using a tendon from her leg. She was 
  also going to strengthen the rectum and do a spay, per my request.Dr. 
  Stanley estimated the surgery to cost $2000. I had only $700 in credit from 
  Care Credit but the rest was raised from donations from incredibly caring and 
  generous people from the feline leukemia group and by Timothy Meeker of the 
  Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program and his group and also private 
  donors. There were so many wonderful people who rooted for Sophie at every 
  stage and who sent prayers and positive thoughts, too. Sophie did very 
  well following surgery and for two months was doing wonderfully. She had did 
  have some trouble again after two months with more bulging of stool protruding 
  from her rear, just like before surgery, but that was mostly taken care of at 
  home with home enemas. Gradually, these enemas were needed further and further 
  apart and Dr. Stanley believes that Sophie regained enervation to her hind end 
  over time, which is allowing her to manage her own stool passing now. 
  I am going to try to embed a recent photo of Sophie into this email 
  but if that doesn't work, I did post some new pictures on her webpage. Here is 
  the address, if anyone would like to see them. I hope to get better pictures 
  soon. http://annlmla.tripod.com/id1.htmlBye for now,With much 
  gratitude and purrs and hugs,Anne and Sophie 

Re: Gemma

[Del Daniels]

Michelle,
 
I am so sorry you have lost another precious soul, and this soon after 
losing Bramble.
A photo casket for her ashes is a wonderful tribute to your love for 
her.  Sleep in peace, sweet Gemma.
 
Hugs, 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:01 
  PM
  Subject: Gemma
  
  My darling Gemma has gone to the bridge. I asked her brother to come and 
  get her and told Gemma to go to go to sleep and find her brother. I told her 
  not to chase Tidge and Bramble around too much.
   
  We had her put to sleep in the car as I lay at the side of her. I have 
  selected a photo casket for her ashes and will collect her in the morning and 
  take her to the pet crematorium.
   
  Michell, Buddy, Minstrel & Angel 
Bramble

Re: Mandy, Wink and Eduardo

[Del Daniels]

Julie ... Prayers for you and your girls and 
Edwardo, and all your other furbabies.
 
Hugs, Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:47 
  AM
  Subject: Mandy, Wink and Eduardo 
  
  Dear Friends,
   
  I had some time off from work over the last couple of weeks and it's been 
  terribly bittersweet.  Eduardo finally came home; thinner and 'talking' a 
  mile a minute.  He was VERY happy to see me (he was gone over 2 weeks) 
  but spooked about going into the house.  I finally did get him into the 
  garage after about the 4th day of our 9 day rainfest in the northeast, and I'm 
  obviously thrilled to have him home.
   
  Mandy is starting to go downhill; she is going in tonight for another 
  depo shot.  I'd been giving her Cat's Claw and Pau D'arco with some aloe 
  juice in her purees.  She has lost a good bit of weight and is having 
  more and more trouble swallowing.  She follows me everywhere and cries to 
  be petted and is still working out on the scratching post.
   
  Wink's biopsy came back and she has cancer in the glands of her 
  ear.  Her balance is becoming affected and she needs a very specialized 
  kind of surgery, if the cancer has not spread.  She's going in tonight as 
  well for evaluation.
   
  I am trying to get them a referral to New England Veterinary Oncologists 
  this week, but I'm afraid it could be too late for Mandy.  I was 
  told her prognosis was very poor and the surgical options I was given just 
  didn't seem that they would give her a quality life.  I want Wink  
  see an oncologist and let an expert determine the extent of the cancer before 
  we make a decision about whether we should subject her to this surgery, 
   so I want to take Mandy, too, just in case
   
  Last night, Mandy sat on the bed with her paws on my shoulder while I 
  read, and Wink sat on my chest.   My precious little girls; I can't 
  believe that I will be without them.  I feel broken.
   
  I'm trying to catch up on mail and I send hugs to everyone.
   
  Think a good thought for my girls.
   
  Love, Julie
   
   "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more 
  entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The 
  greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its 
  animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come 
  WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to 
  re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
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Re: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement

[Del Daniels]

Wendy,  
 
Prayers for you and your Cricket.  I have not 
used either of those drugs but many others will share their info and 
experiences.  You probably know that when kitties are stressed their temp 
will rise so you might want to take it at home.  Can you ask for a 
tranquilizer for Cricket to take before he goes to the vet to reduce his stress, 
or use Rescue Remedy?  My kitties have not responded to Rescue Remedy but 
other folks have had good luck with it.  It sounds like he might need 
something more potent than RR though.  Just a thought.  My Noah must 
be given some Iso for a blood draw and mouth exam and that works good for him 
because it's quick, they come right out of it.  Good luck.
 
Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  wendy 
  walker 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:15 
  PM
  Subject: My baby Cricket is sick; I need 
  some encouragement
  Hi my name is Wendy.  I live in Texas.  I have a 
  blackcat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and agreat cat.  
  He absolutely hates the vet, so the lasttime I took him was about two 
  years ago when he gotreally sick.  They told me they couldn't tell 
  hisactual temperature because it was all the way to theend of the 
  thermometer.  It took virtually the wholestaff to give him an 
  injection of antibiotics and takehis blood, after they broke two needles 
  off in hisback.  The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV. 
  When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him anyfluids 
  intraveneously for 18 hours after I had askedhim to (Cricket wasn't eating 
  or drinking on his own),I took him home and with the help of antibiotics 
  andsyringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back tolife.  
  The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that sickcome back.  He's been 
  fine for two years.  At the endof September, we had a houseful of 
  family duringHurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed 
  thatCricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto thecabinets to 
  drink water out of the sink.  He startedeating kitty litter and 
  wasn't eating as much.  Hebegan to walk slowly and when he came up to 
  me andmeowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong. The (new) 
  vet prescribed Clavamox without seeingCricket because of his stressful 
  history when visitingthe vet.  After two days on the medicine, he 
  seemed tobe doing better, but a couple of days later, I noticedhow 
  white his mouth was and started doing someresearch.  Well, as many of 
  you already know becauseyou've done this drill, things are looking grim 
  forCricket.  We have an appointment at the vet in acouple of 
  hours and it's all I can do to stay at work. I know whatever ends up 
  happening is going to happen,but I can't help but keep thinking and 
  worrying abouthim.  I am normally pretty logical and 
  level-headed,but I cried all day yesterday after reading all 
  thenegative information about anemia and FeLV.  I do havesome 
  hope however.  I am hoping the vet will knowabout Immuno-Regulin or 
  even better, Virbagen Omega,which is a Feline Omega Interferon.  Both 
  are supposedto help immensely with boosting the immune system.  
  Ireally don't know how the vet is going to be able totake Cricket's 
  blood to find out what the numbers areso we can treat him for the anemia; 
  Cricket gets socrazy.  He may end up being his own worst enemy.  
  Ijust wanted to ask if anyone has had any success withtheir cats 
  taking these drugs?  Also, if anyonereading this will pray for 
  Cricket and that the vetwill be a good one and that we can get Cricket 
  back tonormal for as long as we can.  I promised that I wouldnot 
  allow Cricket to suffer for selfish reasons, but Idon't want to end his 
  life prematurely either.  Prayfor wisdom for the vet and for 
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Re: My Beautiful Mandy

[Del Daniels]

Oh, Julie, big big hugs to you.  Mandy was a 
sweetness in your life you will treasure always.  She had your love when 
she needed it most.  My sympathy to you and your hubby.
 
Del
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:02 
  AM
  Subject: My Beautiful Mandy
  
  Dear Friends,
   
  Mandy is gone.  She was not doing well Tuesday night (bleeding from 
  the mouth and unable to eat) and I made the decision to end her 
  suffering.  I called my husband and he left work right away to come 
  home.  We held her and stroked her and ultimately she began to 
  purr.  She never cared to be held; she liked to pick the spot and sit ON 
  you, but she did curl up in her blanket and let us hold her.  We were 
  with her and holding her and talking softly to her and she had one paw curled 
  over my finger when she left us.
   
  It's been so empty the last two nights without my little reading partner; 
  she always liked to sit on the bed with her upper body across my arm and her 
  paws on my shoulder while I read at night.  Since she became sick, she 
  wanted to be with me all the time and she'd been reading with me every night 
  for weeks.
   
  I keep thinking back to our trip to the oncologist; only last week and it 
  seems forever ago.  Even though the news for Mandy was not good, we had a 
  lovely day and I am so grateful for it.  She and Wink snoozed the 
  whole way home.  They were all curled up together on their faux mink and 
  listening to their special pet music.  I kept turning back to look at 
  them and it was so peaceful and loving.  We stopped where I work to feed 
  my feral colony and I took the carrier out of the car and set it on the ground 
  while I fed; Mandy trotted right to the front and began to "meow" to Depot 
  Charlie!  She was such a little talker and he looked so puzzled!  
  I'm happy they were able to "meet".
   
  Thank you all for being here and for your good thoughts and wishes; I'd 
  be completely lost without you during this year of terrible losses.  I 
  have to try and concentrate on how fortunate we were to have shared her short 
  life.  I miss her; we had our morning routine of putting the ingredients 
  in the food processor and she'd "talk" to me once the whirr of the blade 
  sounded.  These last two mornings have been empty, as well.  You are 
  the only ones who understand the huge hole in our home despite the joy of our 
  other cats.  
   
  Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the 
  more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
  "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by 
  the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
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Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

[Del Daniels]

I sure hope you don't have the RW :(  This is 
not fun but I knew we'd have it eventually since I do a little rescue and have a 
herd of cats.  Little Ms Purrsy brought it with her and was diagnosed 
early-mid August ... I was so very careful handling her, isolated her 
immediately in her condo and it still moved into the big house and what a 
hassle.  The cats are on Griseofulvin (except the two FIV+ who take 
Itraconazole) and topical Lotrimin liquid.  I can't say that either 
works.  Some cats healed, some still broke out but very slow improvement, 
some with new outbreaks after being on the oral for over three weeks.  
Frustrating.  Reading all the cleaning required, sorry, I don't 
have time enough in my day to do all of what should be done, not even 
close, and I am retired.  Maybe we will have it forever.  
.  Maybe $500 already.  And the UV light ... not all RW will 
flouresce even with the doc's expensive Wood light.  Some RW shows up 
as fur loss, some with crud, some sores, some itch others do not.  How many 
times can I use the word frustrating?  May I add that I do not 
regret having my cats nor taking this little rescue who brought the RW even if 
we never get rid of it.  If no one has already given it, there is a RW 
yahoo group and I'll fwd it.  There is a gel suggested that is supposed to 
work wonderful and I am about to order some of it.
 
Del
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  
  Really?  Why is 
  it such a nightmare?  Is it because it’s contagious and hard to get rid 
  of?  It won’t kill them or make them really sick, will they?  
  Someone told me that I should get a black light to confirm 
  it.
   
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:28 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
   
  Hideyo,Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have 
  ringworm.  I've never had to deal with it myself, but it sounds like a 
  real nightmare!  I'll send you my compiled notes on treatment for it 
  off-list.  Does anyone know how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty 
  to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
  Cats that have had URI often bust 
  out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system. 
   I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any 
  pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a 
  liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 
  
  
  its contagious to humans and to 
  other animals so careful when handling 
them.
  
  BTW the interferon on my URI 
  negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.