RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

[Gordon McLean]

The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production (and
can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  documentum
for dummies book that they can recommend?
   
  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
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RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

[Fred Ridder]

You're probably thinking of FrameLink, which was, in fact, discontinued
by its publisher (Datalogics) in early 2005. It was a great product for
unstructured FrameMaker, but they never really addressed the XML
capabilities of FM7.x and the introduction of multiple undo in FM7.2
broke the interface altogether.

-Fred Ridder



From: Gordon McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:18:17 +0100

The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production 
(and

can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  documentum
for dummies book that they can recommend?

  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope





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Re: FrameMaker 8 Automatic Letter Spacing Broken?

[Mike Wickham]

Rick,


Zip and send me a sample document so I can see what you see. Thanks.


Will do.

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Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Brenda Waltermeyer]

Using Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.2

I am trying to add a graphic or a square bullet in front of all my headings.

Example: 

? 1.1 Heading 1

Is there a way to do this in FrameMaker. I placed the square box on my
references page and then tried to put it on my numbering line in the
paragraph tag. I can’t use the Character tag on the Numbering screen because
I use something else there for my headings. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. 

Thanks


Brenda L. Waltermeyer
Lead Desktop Publisher
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
National Security Technology Department
Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
Room 8-375
Phone: (443) 778-8748

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RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

Courtney,
We used Documentum for a number of years at two previous incarnations of
my company. 

As a matter of fact, when we were looking at Content Management Systems
(back in 2000), the Documentation Department was one of the majot
internal customers and ability to handle Frame docs and books
intelligently was an absolutely nrcessity. That filter also helped to
reduce the number of CMS candidates voery considerably. We eventually
chose Documentum for its many robust features but also because of its
Framelink integration. FrameLink was a plugin for Frame, made by
DataLogics, a third-party software company in Chicago (which started
life as a FrameMaker subsidiary). FrameLink mostly worked very well, but
because it tried to such a perfect emulation on both side of its
interface, it occasionally tripped over itself. Eventually, though, it
became very solid.

However, about two years ago (at about the time Documentum went through
a very major upgrade), DataLogic quietly decided to discontinue support
for FrameLink. Apparently, the decision was made easier for them when
they contemplated the extensive development they would have to put into
the product to have it be compatible with the new incarnation of
Documentum. There were subsequent talks with Adobe and Documentum re
taking it over (I talked to people in both companies, including R.J.
Jacques at Documentum), but as far as I know, they never went anywhere. 

That discontinuance alone was enough to force our documentation people
off Documentum. Since then, we have been uncomfortably living with
having our docs on plain old file servers.  In the meantime, other CMS
companies have come along, with systems geared especially for doc depts.
Several of them have (Structured) Frame/XML interfaces. One of them,
SiberLogic, has expressed strong interest in expanding the capability of
its Frame plugin to also handle unstructured Frame docs. They say that
most of the underlying code is already in place and it would be a prerry
straightforward effort. If/when we get the money and the go ahead, we
will probably acquire one of those XML-based documentation systems. 

I hope that this helps.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
KBS Documentation
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.


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Subject: RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an
end user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was
an add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in
production (and can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a
documentum for dummies book that they can recommend?
   
  Thank you
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  Datascope

  




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Re: Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Here's a previously posted reply:


If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
font as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
character tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the
letter that corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you
want. For example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf
Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet
if you wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is
a MIF hack for this which I forget but which has been documented here
before.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Brenda Waltermeyer wrote:
 Using Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.2

 I am trying to add a graphic or a square bullet in front of all my headings.

 Example: 

 ? 1.1 Heading 1

 Is there a way to do this in FrameMaker. I placed the square box on my
 references page and then tried to put it on my numbering line in the
 paragraph tag. I can’t use the Character tag on the Numbering screen because
 I use something else there for my headings. Any help would be greatly
 appreciated. 

 Thanks

 
 Brenda L. Waltermeyer
 Lead Desktop Publisher
 The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
 National Security Technology Department
 Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
 Room 8-375
 Phone: (443) 778-8748

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RE: Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Lester C. Smalley]

Are you working in structured or unstructured files?  You don't say.

If structured, you can define a prefix in the EDD that appears before
the autonumber, for each heading element  (if you have level rules, you
may only have one to worry about).  Apply appropriate format rules to
this for the various heading elements.

If unstructured, to my knowledge you can't do this without defining a
new paragraph tag for the square bullet.  Apply the appropriate info in
the numbering properties (desired character as the numbering string, and
character format for dingbats).  Then, in the pagination properties set
it to run into the following paragraph and no punctuation - use a hard
space only.  (you probably also should make the basic property next
paragraph tag be some heading level tag).

You will have to insert a copy of this new paragraph (with no text
entered) before each heading that you wish to display the square bullet.

On Thursday, August 09, 2007 08:35 AM, Brenda Waltermeyer wrote:

| Using Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.2
|
| I am trying to add a graphic or a square bullet in front of all my
headings.
|
| Example:
|
| ? 1.1 Heading 1
|
| Is there a way to do this in FrameMaker. I placed the square box on my
| references page and then tried to put it on my numbering line in the
| paragraph tag. I can't use the Character tag on the Numbering screen
| because I use something else there for my headings. Any help would
| be greatly appreciated.
|
| Thanks
| 
| Brenda L. Waltermeyer
| Lead Desktop Publisher
| The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
| National Security Technology Department
| Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
| Room 8-375
| Phone: (443) 778-8748 

- Lester
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Re: Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

One way of messing with this would be to add a run-in heading with
Dingbats before the other headings. Only allow for it when setting the
indents and tabulature of the headings.

Bodvar

On 8/9/07, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 17:14 +0200 9/8/07, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

 If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
 font as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
 character tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the
 letter that corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you
 want. For example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf
 Dingbats.

 Won't that set the autonumber in Dingbats too, producing rubbish?

 --
 Steve
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Re: Structured Frame Question

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Nancy,

Yes, but the book's structure may not be valid.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



Hi all,

Is it possible to mix unstructured Frame files with structured Frame files
in the same book?

Thanks,
Nancy Adams


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Re: FrameMaker 8 Automatic Letter Spacing Broken?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Mike,

Yes, I can verify this behavior with FrameMaker 8 on Windows XP.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

I posted this topic a couple of days ago with no response. Probably I made 
it too complicated. :) Can someone please tell me if they see the same 
problem with FM8?


1. Click in a sample body text paragraph.

2. In the Paragraph Designer, set alignment to justified. Extra space is 
added between words to make the text line reach the right-hand margin. It 
works as expected.


3. Now, in the Advanced tab of the Paragraph Designer, check the Allow 
Automatic Letter Spacing checkbox. Some lines in the paragraph jump back 
from the right-hand margin, and are no longer justified! (You may have to 
change your zoom level to see it, and it's more obvious in narrow columns 
than wide ones.) FM applies letter spacing to words on some lines, and 
those are the lines that lose justification.


Justification and Automatic Letter Spacing used to work together. Now, 
only one or the other works. Is anyone else seeing this?


Mike Wickham
FrameMaker 8.0p236 (trial version)
Windows XP Pro

P.S. I have DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=On in maker.ini, but the problem 
exists whether it's on or off. PDFs match what I see on screen.


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Re: Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:48 -0400 9/8/07, Brenda Waltermeyer wrote:

That is exactly what it does (rubbish). I need it to be included in the
numbering string not as a character style. I already have a character style
called ZHeadNum in the Character Format under Numbering tab in the Paragraph
designer. I need to include it some where for my Heading numbers. Any
thoughts would be appreciated.

FrameMaker applies a character tag to the entire autonumber string, so I would 
guess that you could to try to find a symbol font that includes the digits 0..9 
in their expected ASCII positions. I have no idea whether such a font exists.

Lester and Bodvar have given you ingenious workarounds. I had a feeling someone 
would.

-- 
Steve
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RE: Structured Frame Question

[Mike Feimster]

A work around for this is to create an element that can contain ANY
content.

For example, our Book element contains a TOC element. In the  EDD,
the TOC is a container with the General rule ANY.

When you add the generated toc file to the book, it's tag is
Book-Component. In the structure view for the book file, wrap the
Book-Component element in the TOC element. Now the book is valid, even
though the toc is an unstructured file.

Mike

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Hi Nancy,

Yes, but the book's structure may not be valid.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


 Hi all,

 Is it possible to mix unstructured Frame files with structured Frame
files
 in the same book?

 Thanks,
 Nancy Adams

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Re: FrameMaker 8 Automatic Letter Spacing Broken?

[Mike Wickham]

Justification and Automatic Letter Spacing used to work together. Now, 
only one or the other works. Is anyone else seeing this?


 Yes, I can verify this behavior with FrameMaker 8 on Windows XP.

Dang. I hope Adobe fixes this soon. The feature is important enough to me 
that I'm going to have to hold off on buying the FM8 upgrade until then.


Mike Wickham


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Re: Structured Frame Question

[Eric Dunn]

On 8/9/07, Mike Feimster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now the book is valid, even
 though the toc is an unstructured file.


IMO, this is an unfortunate failing of FM or simply a missing feature.

FM should be able to produce structured generated files. could be
perhaps accomplished by adding element information to the reference
page building blocks.

It's not too difficult to do using Framescript and I have done it for
a couple of projects in the past.
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RE: Structured Frame Question

[Lester C. Smalley]

On Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:39 PM, Eric Dunn wrote:

| On 8/9/07, Mike Feimster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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|  Now the book is valid, even though the toc is an unstructured file.
| 
| IMO, this is an unfortunate failing of FM or simply a missing feature.
| 
| FM should be able to produce structured generated files. could be
| perhaps accomplished by adding element information to the reference
| page building blocks.
| 
| It's not too difficult to do using Framescript and I have done it for
| a couple of projects in the past.

It is unfortunate that generated documents are not structured, but it is
also rather easy to use FrameMaker's conversion table feature to apply a
structure to them, as these are usually not very complicated
hierarchies, if one does not have FrameScript.

Of course, this has to be redone after generating a new/updated version
of the files (TOC, LOF, etc.) or at least, before you need a completely
valid fully structured book, which itself is an ideal task for
automating with FrameScript... :-)

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FM8 - what are hyphens.xxx files for?

[Klaus Daube]

   Dear all, especially the FM8 beta testers,

   Does anyone have an idea what the files hyphens.xxx in the directory
   dict are good for?

   They look very similar to *.dct (user.dct, site.dct, ...) files, but
   obviously are not case sensitive.

   Of course these files are coded in UTF-8. These files may be quite
   long. hyphens.bul for example has nearly 3000 lines. As far as I know,
   dct files are limited (or were limited?) to about 2000 lines.

   Your answer (or even guess) will help me to understand some things in
   FM8 better.

   Klaus Daube

   

   Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich

   Technical documentation  consultancy; On-line and paper

   Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78

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FM8 welcome screen - link into nirwana

[Klaus Daube]

   Dear all,

   The FM 8 Welcome screen (in effect a Flash file) with the message

   FrameMaker Complete Help-- this is a link

   Get the reference guides and manuals

   including Structured Documentation resources

   leads to a URL, which obviously is wrong, because I get the message
   from http://unavailable.adobe.com/accessdenied.html

   We're sorry, you are not allowed access to the service
   you requested.

   If you feel you should have access, please contact the
   appropriate

   authorities and give them your IP address:
   212.152.13.134

   Thank you for your patience.

   Since it's Flash, the browser does not diplay where the link points to
   - do You know, where this information can be found?

   FM version: 8.0p236 FM international English; purchased end of july.

   The same error occurs when using the menu item Help  Complete
   FrameMaker Help...

   Help  Support... links to
   http://www.adobe.com/support/products/framemaker.html which is OK.

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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Sarah O'Keefe]

I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here:

http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impressions.html

Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review
itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has
screen shots and PDF links).

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How to Place an Anchored Frame in Center of Multi-column Page?

[Mike Wickham]

Is there any way to place an anchored frame in the center of a multi-column 
page? I use the two-cell table method for placing graphics and captions. The 
graphic is in the top cell and the caption in the bottom cell. It works 
great in-column, but I'd like to place a 1-column wide graphic and caption 
in the middle of a two-column page, so that the anchored frame partially 
overlaps each of the two columns. And I want the text in each column to run 
around the anchored frame. Does anyone know a way to do this?


The closest I've been able to come is to draw a text box in the center of 
the page, and place the table inside. It looks great, and runaround works as 
desired, but since the text frame is disconnected from the main flow, the 
figure numbering doesn't increment properly.


Mike Wickham


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List of Tables, List of Figures

[Molly Keegan]

Hi all,

 

I'm trying to set up my two lists so that the figure number appears in front
of the figure title (same with tables).  I can't find a user variable for
figure number or table number. Am I missing something?  Can I create one
myself? 

 

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Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks, Sarah,

Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have
waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more
than a couple of patches soon.

This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?

Bodvar

On 8/9/07, Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here:

 http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impressions.html

 Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review
 itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has
 screen shots and PDF links).

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Re: List of Tables, List of Figures

[Mike Wickham]

I'm trying to set up my two lists so that the figure number appears in 
front

of the figure title (same with tables).  I can't find a user variable for
figure number or table number. Am I missing something?  Can I create one
myself?


Molly,

Here's how I do it.

1. For my figure title paragraph format, in the Paragraph Designer, on the 
Numbering tab, I checked the Autonumber Format checkbox to turn on 
autonumbering.


2. In the Autonumber Format box, I put F:Fig. n+.  This causes Fig. 1. 
 to appear before the first figure title, and to increment with each 
additional figure. The letter and colon (in this case, F:) is the flow. 
It sets this numbering scheme  separate from any others you may have set up. 
It could be any letter. I picked F: for figures. You might want to use T: to 
have your separate numbering scheme for tables in your table title format. 
You can also choose a character format in the Numbering tab to make Fig. 1. 
 bold.


Personally, I think it's so much easier to number all figures, tables, etc. 
with one scheme. It makes it so much easier for the reader to find them. 
Will the reader find Table 4 before or after Fig. 38? If it's called Fig. 
39, instead of Table 4, the answer is clear.


Mike Wickham




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RE: List of Tables, List of Figures

[Combs, Richard]

Molly Keegan wrote:
 
 I'm trying to set up my two lists so that the figure number 
 appears in front of the figure title (same with tables).  I 
 can't find a user variable for figure number or table number. 
 Am I missing something?  Can I create one myself? 

Assuming you're using autonumbered pgfs for your figure and table titles
(which Mike addressed), you include the paragraph number in the LOF/LOT
by putting the $paranum building block into the appropriate pgfs in
the ref page special text flow for the LOF/LOT. For example, in my LOF
flow, the FigCapLOF pgf looks like this (with tabs separating the
building blocks): 

$paranum  $paratext  $pagenum

For a list of the building blocks you can use, see Editing special text
flows for lists and indexes in the online help. 

HTH!
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RE: FM8 - what are hyphens.xxx files for?

[Fred Ridder]

I don't think this has changed in FrameMaker 8.0. In older versions,
the hyphens.* files are the standard, editable language-specific
hyphenation dictionaries as opposed to the spelling dictionaries
(*.lex binary dictionaries, *.dct editable dictionaries), the binary
hyphenation dictionaries (*.hyp), and the binary thesaurus files
(*.ths). In each case * represents a language code, typically
three letters.

Personally, I've never paid much attention to the hyphenation
dictionaries because our standard templates do not enable
automatic hypehnation for any paragraphs. Our templates use
ragged right alignment and automatic hyphenation makes only
a small improvement in overall appearance but causes a significant
degradation in readability. But YMMV.

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Subject: FM8 - what are hyphens.xxx files for?
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:50:16 +0200


   Dear all, especially the FM8 beta testers,

   Does anyone have an idea what the files hyphens.xxx in the directory
   dict are good for?

   They look very similar to *.dct (user.dct, site.dct, ...) files, but
   obviously are not case sensitive.

   Of course these files are coded in UTF-8. These files may be quite
   long. hyphens.bul for example has nearly 3000 lines. As far as I know,
   dct files are limited (or were limited?) to about 2000 lines.

   Your answer (or even guess) will help me to understand some things in
   FM8 better.

   Klaus Daube

   

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Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:


This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?



If the FM8 standalone license is consistent with licenses for other 
Adobe products that I've seen, you'll be allowed to activate the program 
on two computers as long as you don't use it on both at the same time. 
In practice, Adobe doesn't know whether (with four hands and two heads) 
you operate two machines simultaneously.


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RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

The activation mechanism supports two activations such
that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
which adds one back to your available activation count.
That system does work pretty well.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM
 To: Sarah O'Keefe
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
 
 Thanks, Sarah,
 
 Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have
 waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more
 than a couple of patches soon.
 
 This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
 same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
 main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?
 
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Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Bill Swallow]

Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different
from what was in Acrobat 8?

On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The activation mechanism supports two activations such
 that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
 you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
 system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
 which adds one back to your available activation count.
 That system does work pretty well.

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RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

Same

- Dov

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
 
 Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different
 from what was in Acrobat 8?
 
 On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The activation mechanism supports two activations such
  that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
  you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
  system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
  which adds one back to your available activation count.
  That system does work pretty well.
 
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Re: List of Tables, List of Figures

[Fred Ridder]

Mike's explanation is basically correct, but I'd like to amplify and
hopefully clarify a couple of issues.

The letter label that Mike suggests using is officially called a series
label. I'd *strenuously* suggest that you not adopt Mike's usage
of thinking of the numbering series as a flow, since that term is
already overloaded with different meanings in different contexts.

And the series label can actually be almost any character that
you can type directly on a keyboard. Upper-case and lower-case
letters are different labels, and once you run our of letters you
can use digits and many of the standard punctuation marks,
although I'd strongly recommend against using anything except
lettes. AFAIK, the only reserved characters are ones that have
specific usage in autonumbering formats (angle brackers, plus
sign, etc.). And in addition to whatever labeled numbering series
are defined in a given document, there is always a single default,
unlabeled series.

The utility of series labels is to make each of the labeled series
completely independent from each other. In technial document
templates that use section numbering it is common practice to
use a single labeled series with multile counter elements so that
each different heading level can reset the counters for all of
the subordinate headings so that they will start with .1. For a
scheme with up to four levels of section headings in a chapter,
for example, you could define a single labeled numbering series
that uses the $chapnum system variable plus four additional
counters or five individual counters if you don't use $chapnum.

Where common practice diverges is whether to use separate
numbering series for figures and tables (or examples, or
equations, or anything else that gets numbered labels). If
you want to include the chapter number in the figure/table
numbering (e.g. Figure 3-2 for the 2nd figure in chapter 3),
it's probably better to use a single, consolidated numbering
series. But if you use simple front-to-back numbering schemes
for figures and tables, it's personal preference whether to
use separate series or a consolidated master series.

In the documents I work on, it would drive users absolutely
crazy if I labeled tables and figures with identical captions in
a common numbering sequence. Tables and figures present
*very* different kinds of infomation and in fundamentally
different ways. When one of our users is looking for tabular
information (a connector pin-out, for example, or a register
description table), he couldn't care less where it is located
relative to any of the figures.

Finally, you might want to consider the use of a single-cell
table to contain your figures. The advantage of this approach
is that you are able to use the table title for the figure caption
so that the caption is embedded in the same container as the
figure rather than being a separate paragraph. You can get
the same end result either way, but IMO the table approach
is easier to maintain.

-Fred Ridder



From: Mike Wickham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Molly Keegan [EMAIL PROTECTED],Frame Users 
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Subject: Re: List of Tables, List of Figures
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:41:10 -0500

I'm trying to set up my two lists so that the figure number appears in 
front

of the figure title (same with tables).  I can't find a user variable for
figure number or table number. Am I missing something?  Can I create one
myself?


Molly,

Here's how I do it.

1. For my figure title paragraph format, in the Paragraph Designer, on the 
Numbering tab, I checked the Autonumber Format checkbox to turn on 
autonumbering.


2. In the Autonumber Format box, I put F:Fig. n+.  This causes Fig. 1. 
 to appear before the first figure title, and to increment with each 
additional figure. The letter and colon (in this case, F:) is the flow. 
It sets this numbering scheme  separate from any others you may have set 
up. It could be any letter. I picked F: for figures. You might want to use 
T: to have your separate numbering scheme for tables in your table title 
format. You can also choose a character format in the Numbering tab to make 
Fig. 1.  bold.


Personally, I think it's so much easier to number all figures, tables, etc. 
with one scheme. It makes it so much easier for the reader to find them. 
Will the reader find Table 4 before or after Fig. 38? If it's called Fig. 
39, instead of Table 4, the answer is clear.


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Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Dov, et. al.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

The activation mechanism supports two activations such
that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
which adds one back to your available activation count.
That system does work pretty well.


I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered
that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone
through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a
new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being
activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly
now).

Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second
copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it
at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if
this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in
any way.

Z


-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM
To: Sarah O'Keefe
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

Thanks, Sarah,

Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have
waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more
than a couple of patches soon.

This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?

Bodvar

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RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to
equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on
your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center.
They are very understanding about such situations and
unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware
failure every week), they will add an activation to your
copy via the activation server. There was quite a bit of
angst about the activation when it first appeared on
Photoshop 8 on Windows and then on CS2 for all products
and platforms. In reality, things worked out well with
relatively few hiccups. Most of the big complainers were
in fact users who previously tried to install one copy
of a program on a whole fleet of computers.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
 
 Hi, Dov, et. al.
 
 Dov Isaacs wrote:
  The activation mechanism supports two activations such
  that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
  you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
  system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
  which adds one back to your available activation count.
  That system does work pretty well.
 
 I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered
 that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone
 through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a
 new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being
 activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly
 now).
 
 Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second
 copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it
 at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if
 this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in
 any way.
 
 Z
 
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Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to
equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on
your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center.
They are very understanding about such situations and
unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware
failure every week), they will add an activation to your
copy via the activation server.


Good enough! I figured as much ... :) So, I did not worry
about it ... the laptop failure happened over 9 or 10 months
ago, and my new laptop has been fine. I did not even bother
to call Adobe about it when I got that message.

Thanks for the reassurance though!


Most of the big complainers were
in fact users who previously tried to install one copy
of a program on a whole fleet of computers.


It never fails me to amaze me that people think that what
they are doing is legal (and not a violation of the license
terms that they agreed to) and also dumb enough to think
that they would not be caught.

Sad ...

Z


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From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM
To: Dov Isaacs
Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

Hi, Dov, et. al.

Dov Isaacs wrote:

The activation mechanism supports two activations such
that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
which adds one back to your available activation count.
That system does work pretty well.

I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered
that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone
through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a
new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being
activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly
now).

Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second
copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it
at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if
this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in
any way.

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RE: Frame Licenses

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

 I think Frame licenses allowed one install on a desktop and one on a
laptop.
It was not legal to install it on two desktops - even if one was at work
and the other at home!


Micheal O'Laoghaire
KBS Documentation
Comverse Inc.
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Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:

 This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the

 same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or 
 main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?


If the FM8 standalone license is consistent with licenses for other
Adobe products that I've seen, you'll be allowed to activate the program
on two computers as long as you don't use it on both at the same time. 
In practice, Adobe doesn't know whether (with four hands and two heads)
you operate two machines simultaneously.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
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TOC help in Framemaker 8

[Catherine Christiaanse]

hi all,
 
I have just upgraded to Framemaker version 8 (from 7.2) and I am am
having issues building one of my manuals.  I have successfully updated
and built two Framemaker manuals.  Unfortunately, I am having no end of
difficulty creating a third PFD using an identical method (Save AsPDF
and Acrobat Distiller 6).  The problem seems to be centered around
either the TOC or cross-references.  
 
Here's a recap of what I've done so far:
 
(1) after removing the TOC from the book altogether, I was able to
isolate 4 offending cross-references.  once I removed the
cross-references and corresponding markers and then replaced them, I was
able to build a PDF of the book (without the TOC).
 
(2) I added the TOC back to the book, but receive the following errors
in my log:

 %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: get ]%%
 
Stack:
0
-null-
0
-null-
[0 0 1]
/Border
-mark-
/Action
[0 0 0]
/Border
[1050 3380 7650 3143]
/Rect
-mark-

 
(3) I deleted the TOC file and its backup and created a new TOC.  I
received the same errors as above.
 
(4) I deleted the new TOC file and created a new one, with only one
paragraph tag.  Same errors.  
 
(5) I cycled through all of the paragraph tags that I traditionally
include in the TOC, deleting the old file and creating a new one each
time.  Same errors.
 
 
Can anyone point in me in the right direction?
 
thanks in advance for your help,
 

Cate Christiaanse
Technical Writing Lead
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Documentum and FrameMaker advice

[Gordon McLean]

The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production (and
can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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Sent: 08 August 2007 18:27
To: frame users group
Subject: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  "documentum
for dummies" book that they can recommend?

  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope





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Documentum and FrameMaker advice

[Mark Poston]

Hi,

If you are refering to FrameLink from Datalogics, my understanding is that
this no longer exists.

It's been a few years since I looked at FrameMaker and DCTM but I believe
there used to be an ODMA client supplied with FrameMaker that could be
installed to provide basic integration with DCTM. I can't remember seeing it
after FrameMaker 6 though.

FrameLink was very good because it supported references and links between
documents/images and supported FM books too. It's just a shame it no longer
is available :(

This probably won't help you much now but gives a little more detail about
what used to be available :)

Regards

Mark Poston
Mekon Ltd.

On 9/8/07 09:18, "Gordon McLean"  wrote:

> The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
> user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
> document management.
> 
> Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
> add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production (and
> can't recall the name at the moment either).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gordon
> 
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> program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
> acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  "documentum
> for dummies" book that they can recommend?
>
>   Thank you
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>   Datascope
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FrameMaker 8 Automatic Letter Spacing Broken?

[Mike Wickham]

Rick,

> Zip and send me a sample document so I can see what you see. Thanks.

Will do.

Mike Wickham

FM 6 + mif2go, or just FM 8?

[ri...@inficon.com]

I'm using FrameMaker 6.0p405 on a Windows XP Dell 450 workstation.

I've just been asked to supply manuals in HTML. Currently, my deliverable 
is PDF.

I am seriously considering mif2go for producing the HTML.

But, before I invest the time and money, I wondering if FrameMaker 8 with 
its XML output will give me the same result, without mif2go? 

The result being manuals that can be read by any web browser, produced 
directly from FrameMaker 8.

Thanks for your insight,
Richard

Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Brenda Waltermeyer]

Using Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.2

I am trying to add a graphic or a square bullet in front of all my headings.

Example: 

? 1.1 Heading 1

Is there a way to do this in FrameMaker. I placed the square box on my
references page and then tried to put it on my numbering line in the
paragraph tag. I can??t use the Character tag on the Numbering screen because
I use something else there for my headings. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. 

Thanks


Brenda L. Waltermeyer
Lead Desktop Publisher
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
National Security Technology Department
Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
Room 8-375
Phone: (443) 778-8748

Documentum and FrameMaker advice

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

Courtney,
We used Documentum for a number of years at two previous incarnations of
my company. 

As a matter of fact, when we were looking at Content Management Systems
(back in 2000), the Documentation Department was one of the majot
internal customers and ability to handle Frame docs and books
intelligently was an absolutely nrcessity. That filter also helped to
reduce the number of CMS candidates voery considerably. We eventually
chose Documentum for its many robust features but also because of its
Framelink integration. FrameLink was a plugin for Frame, made by
DataLogics, a third-party software company in Chicago (which started
life as a FrameMaker subsidiary). FrameLink mostly worked very well, but
because it tried to such a perfect emulation on both side of its
interface, it occasionally tripped over itself. Eventually, though, it
became very solid.

However, about two years ago (at about the time Documentum went through
a very major upgrade), DataLogic quietly decided to discontinue support
for FrameLink. Apparently, the decision was made easier for them when
they contemplated the extensive development they would have to put into
the product to have it be compatible with the new incarnation of
Documentum. There were subsequent talks with Adobe and Documentum re
taking it over (I talked to people in both companies, including R.J.
Jacques at Documentum), but as far as I know, they never went anywhere. 

That discontinuance alone was enough to force our documentation people
off Documentum. Since then, we have been uncomfortably living with
having our docs on plain old file servers.  In the meantime, other CMS
companies have come along, with systems geared especially for doc depts.
Several of them have (Structured) Frame/XML interfaces. One of them,
SiberLogic, has expressed strong interest in expanding the capability of
its Frame plugin to also handle unstructured Frame docs. They say that
most of the underlying code is already in place and it would be a prerry
straightforward effort. If/when we get the money and the go ahead, we
will probably acquire one of those XML-based documentation systems. 

I hope that this helps.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
KBS Documentation
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.


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[mailto:framers-bounces+micheal.olaoghaire=comverse.com at lists.frameusers
.com] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:18 AM
To: 'frame users group'
Subject: RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an
end user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was
an add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in
production (and can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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ers.
com] On Behalf Of Courtney Collins
Sent: 08 August 2007 18:27
To: frame users group
Subject: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another
software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
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"documentum for dummies" book that they can recommend?

  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope






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Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Here's a previously posted reply:


If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
font as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
character tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the
letter that corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you
want. For example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf
Dingbats.

You can also use this method to set a different font size for the bullet
if you wish, although you may get baseline alignment problems. There is
a MIF hack for this which I forget but which has been documented here
before.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Brenda Waltermeyer wrote:
> Using Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.2
>
> I am trying to add a graphic or a square bullet in front of all my headings.
>
> Example: 
>
> ? 1.1 Heading 1
>
> Is there a way to do this in FrameMaker. I placed the square box on my
> references page and then tried to put it on my numbering line in the
> paragraph tag. I can??t use the Character tag on the Numbering screen because
> I use something else there for my headings. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated. 
>
> Thanks
>
> 
> Brenda L. Waltermeyer
> Lead Desktop Publisher
> The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
> National Security Technology Department
> Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
> Room 8-375
> Phone: (443) 778-8748
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Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:14 +0200 9/8/07, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
>font as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
>character tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the
>letter that corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you
>want. For example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf
>Dingbats.

Won't that set the autonumber in Dingbats too, producing rubbish?

-- 
Steve

Structured Frame Question

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Hi all,

Is it possible to mix unstructured Frame files with structured Frame files  
in the same book?

Thanks,
Nancy Adams



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Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Lester C. Smalley]

Are you working in structured or unstructured files?  You don't say.

If structured, you can define a prefix in the EDD that appears before
the autonumber, for each heading element  (if you have level rules, you
may only have one to worry about).  Apply appropriate format rules to
this for the various heading elements.

If unstructured, to my knowledge you can't do this without defining a
new paragraph tag for the square bullet.  Apply the appropriate info in
the numbering properties (desired character as the numbering string, and
character format for dingbats).  Then, in the pagination properties set
it to run into the following paragraph and no punctuation - use a hard
space only.  (you probably also should make the basic property "next
paragraph" tag be some heading level tag).

You will have to insert a copy of this new paragraph (with no text
entered) before each heading that you wish to display the square bullet.

On Thursday, August 09, 2007 08:35 AM, Brenda Waltermeyer wrote:

| Using Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.2
|
| I am trying to add a graphic or a square bullet in front of all my
headings.
|
| Example:
|
| ? 1.1 Heading 1
|
| Is there a way to do this in FrameMaker. I placed the square box on my
| references page and then tried to put it on my numbering line in the
| paragraph tag. I can't use the Character tag on the Numbering screen
| because I use something else there for my headings. Any help would
| be greatly appreciated.
|
| Thanks
| 
| Brenda L. Waltermeyer
| Lead Desktop Publisher
| The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
| National Security Technology Department
| Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
| Room 8-375
| Phone: (443) 778-8748 

- Lester
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Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

One way of messing with this would be to add a run-in heading with
Dingbats before the other headings. Only allow for it when setting the
indents and tabulature of the headings.

Bodvar

On 8/9/07, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> At 17:14 +0200 9/8/07, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>
> >If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
> >font as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
> >character tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the
> >letter that corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you
> >want. For example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf
> >Dingbats.
>
> Won't that set the autonumber in Dingbats too, producing rubbish?
>
> --
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Structured Frame Question

[Mark Poston]

Yes! That's how you would add generated lists into a structured book
HTH
Mark Poston


On 9/8/07 15:58, "ActionA at aol.com"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> Is it possible to mix unstructured Frame files with structured Frame files
> in the same book?
>  
> Thanks,
> Nancy Adams
> 
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Structured Frame Question

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Nancy,

Yes, but the book's structure may not be valid.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to mix unstructured Frame files with structured Frame files
> in the same book?
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy Adams

FrameMaker 8 Automatic Letter Spacing Broken?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Mike,

Yes, I can verify this behavior with FrameMaker 8 on Windows XP.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

>I posted this topic a couple of days ago with no response. Probably I made 
>it too complicated. :) Can someone please tell me if they see the same 
>problem with FM8?
>
> 1. Click in a sample body text paragraph.
>
> 2. In the Paragraph Designer, set alignment to justified. Extra space is 
> added between words to make the text line reach the right-hand margin. It 
> works as expected.
>
> 3. Now, in the Advanced tab of the Paragraph Designer, check the Allow 
> Automatic Letter Spacing checkbox. Some lines in the paragraph jump back 
> from the right-hand margin, and are no longer justified! (You may have to 
> change your zoom level to see it, and it's more obvious in narrow columns 
> than wide ones.) FM applies letter spacing to words on some lines, and 
> those are the lines that lose justification.
>
> Justification and Automatic Letter Spacing used to work together. Now, 
> only one or the other works. Is anyone else seeing this?
>
> Mike Wickham
> FrameMaker 8.0p236 (trial version)
> Windows XP Pro
>
> P.S. I have DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=On in maker.ini, but the problem 
> exists whether it's on or off. PDFs match what I see on screen.

Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:48 -0400 9/8/07, Brenda Waltermeyer wrote:

>That is exactly what it does (rubbish). I need it to be included in the
>numbering string not as a character style. I already have a character style
>called ZHeadNum in the Character Format under Numbering tab in the Paragraph
>designer. I need to include it some where for my Heading numbers. Any
>thoughts would be appreciated.

FrameMaker applies a character tag to the entire autonumber string, so I would 
guess that you could to try to find a symbol font that includes the digits 0..9 
in their expected ASCII positions. I have no idea whether such a font exists.

Lester and Bodvar have given you ingenious workarounds. I had a feeling someone 
would.

-- 
Steve

Structured Frame Question

[Mike Feimster]

A work around for this is to create an element that can contain ANY
content.

For example, our  element contains a  element. In the  EDD,
the  is a container with the General rule .

When you add the generated toc file to the book, it's tag is
Book-Component. In the structure view for the book file, wrap the
Book-Component element in the  element. Now the book is valid, even
though the toc is an unstructured file.

Mike

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[mailto:framers-bounces+mike.feimster=acstechnologies.com at lists.frameuse
rs.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:13 AM
To: ActionA at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Structured Frame Question

Hi Nancy,

Yes, but the book's structure may not be valid.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to mix unstructured Frame files with structured Frame
files
> in the same book?
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy Adams

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FrameMaker 8 Automatic Letter Spacing Broken?

[Mike Wickham]

>> Justification and Automatic Letter Spacing used to work together. Now, 
>> only one or the other works. Is anyone else seeing this?

 > Yes, I can verify this behavior with FrameMaker 8 on Windows XP.

Dang. I hope Adobe fixes this soon. The feature is important enough to me 
that I'm going to have to hold off on buying the FM8 upgrade until then.

Mike Wickham

FM 6 + mif2go, or just FM 8?

[Mike Feimster]

Richard, 

Yes, but

It is possible to save a file as HTML from FM8 (or FM6 for that matter)
without a tool or saving as XML, but it's unlikely that it will meet
your needs. You can also use the free version of WebWorks that shiped
with FM6, but you might find that limiting.

If you upgrade to FM8 and go the structured route, then it is possible
to get something similar to what you get with Mif2Go without "buying"
any more tools. However, you or a coworker will need to write the XSL
transformations or other scripts to convert the XML to HTML. You'll
probably also want to add some javascript to get certain functionality.
This can be either really easy or really hard. : )

Mike


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rs.com] On Behalf Of rinch at Inficon.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:29 AM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: FM 6 + mif2go, or just FM 8?

I'm using FrameMaker 6.0p405 on a Windows XP Dell 450 workstation.

I've just been asked to supply manuals in HTML. Currently, my
deliverable 
is PDF.

I am seriously considering mif2go for producing the HTML.

But, before I invest the time and money, I wondering if FrameMaker 8
with 
its XML output will give me the same result, without mif2go? 

The result being manuals that can be read by any web browser, produced 
directly from FrameMaker 8.

Thanks for your insight,
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FrameMaker 8 Automatic Letter Spacing Broken?

[Daniel Emory]

--- Mike Wickham  wrote:
> >> Justification and Automatic Letter Spacing used
> to work together. Now, 
> >> only one or the other works. Is anyone else
> seeing this?
> 
>  > Yes, I can verify this behavior with FrameMaker 8
> on Windows XP.
> 
> Dang. I hope Adobe fixes this soon. The feature is
> important enough to me 
> that I'm going to have to hold off on buying the FM8
> upgrade until then.

This bug would seem to indicate that there's still
lots of spaghettic code remaining in FM8. Given the
short time between Beta testing and the release date,
it seems likely that, even if this bug had been
discovered during Beta testing, it would not have been
fixed in the released version. 

Let us hope this bug is not an omen that FM8 will
repeat the FM5.5 fisaco (the first full release
produced by Adobe). That version had more bugs than a
termite-riddled house.

FM 6 + mif2go, or just FM 8?

[Art Campbell]

I think Mike's on track with his assessment; MIF2Go will give your
more options as far as output goes, and also provide more tuning and
design options within whatever format you choose. However, I think
your goal of "any browser" would point you toward FM 8 for its better
graphics handling and Unicode support.

So my advice would be not to try to cut a corner on your tools and go
with current versions of both FM and MIF2go.

Art

On 8/9/07, rinch at inficon.com  wrote:
> I'm using FrameMaker 6.0p405 on a Windows XP Dell 450 workstation.
>
> I've just been asked to supply manuals in HTML. Currently, my deliverable
> is PDF.
>
> I am seriously considering mif2go for producing the HTML.
>
> But, before I invest the time and money, I wondering if FrameMaker 8 with
> its XML output will give me the same result, without mif2go?
>
> The result being manuals that can be read by any web browser, produced
> directly from FrameMaker 8.
>
> Thanks for your insight,
> Richard
>
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>


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Structured Frame Question

[Eric Dunn]

On 8/9/07, Mike Feimster  wrote:
> Now the book is valid, even
> though the toc is an unstructured file.
>

IMO, this is an unfortunate failing of FM or simply a missing feature.

FM should be able to produce structured generated files. could be
perhaps accomplished by adding element information to the reference
page building blocks.

It's not too difficult to do using Framescript and I have done it for
a couple of projects in the past.

Structured Frame Question

[Lester C. Smalley]

On Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:39 PM, Eric Dunn wrote:

| On 8/9/07, Mike Feimster  wrote:
|
| > Now the book is valid, even though the toc is an unstructured file.
| 
| IMO, this is an unfortunate failing of FM or simply a missing feature.
| 
| FM should be able to produce structured generated files. could be
| perhaps accomplished by adding element information to the reference
| page building blocks.
| 
| It's not too difficult to do using Framescript and I have done it for
| a couple of projects in the past.

It is unfortunate that generated documents are not structured, but it is
also rather easy to use FrameMaker's conversion table feature to apply a
structure to them, as these are usually not very complicated
hierarchies, if one does not have FrameScript.

Of course, this has to be redone after generating a new/updated version
of the files (TOC, LOF, etc.) or at least, before you need a completely
valid fully structured book, which itself is an ideal task for
automating with FrameScript... :-)

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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Sarah O'Keefe]

I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here:

http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impressions.html

Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review
itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has
screen shots and PDF links).

Regards,

Sarah O'Keefe
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How to Place an Anchored Frame in Center of Multi-column Page?

[Mike Wickham]

Is there any way to place an anchored frame in the center of a multi-column 
page? I use the two-cell table method for placing graphics and captions. The 
graphic is in the top cell and the caption in the bottom cell. It works 
great in-column, but I'd like to place a 1-column wide graphic and caption 
in the middle of a two-column page, so that the anchored frame partially 
overlaps each of the two columns. And I want the text in each column to run 
around the anchored frame. Does anyone know a way to do this?

The closest I've been able to come is to draw a text box in the center of 
the page, and place the table inside. It looks great, and runaround works as 
desired, but since the text frame is disconnected from the main flow, the 
figure numbering doesn't increment properly.

Mike Wickham

Heading with autonumber and square bullet

[Brenda Waltermeyer]

Steve,

That is exactly what it does (rubbish). I need it to be included in the
numbering string not as a character style. I already have a character style
called ZHeadNum in the Character Format under Numbering tab in the Paragraph
designer. I need to include it some where for my Heading numbers. Any
thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

Brenda L. Waltermeyer
Lead Desktop Publisher
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
National Security Technology Department
Visual Information, Editorial, and Web Services, STB-4 Section
Room 8-375
Phone: (443) 778-8748


> From: Steve Rickaby 
> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:37:04 +0100
> To: Shmuel Wolfson , Brenda Waltermeyer
> , framers 
> Subject: Re: Heading with autonumber and square bullet
> 
> At 17:14 +0200 9/8/07, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> 
>> If you don't want to mess with character codes, set your desired bullet
>> font as a character tag (for example, Dingbats, Wingdings) and use the
>> character tag in the Automnumber field. This way you can merely use the
>> letter that corresponds with the character in the bullet font that you
>> want. For example, the letter 'N' equates with the large square in Zapf
>> Dingbats.
> 
> Won't that set the autonumber in Dingbats too, producing rubbish?
> 
> -- 
> Steve

List of Tables, List of Figures

[Molly Keegan]

Hi all,



I'm trying to set up my two lists so that the figure number appears in front
of the figure title (same with tables).  I can't find a user variable for
figure number or table number. Am I missing something?  Can I create one
myself? 



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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks, Sarah,

Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have
waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more
than a couple of patches soon.

This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?

Bodvar

On 8/9/07, Sarah O'Keefe  wrote:
> I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here:
>
> http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impressions.html
>
> Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review
> itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has
> screen shots and PDF links).
>
> Regards,
>
> Sarah O'Keefe
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List of Tables, List of Figures

[Mike Wickham]

> I'm trying to set up my two lists so that the figure number appears in 
> front
> of the figure title (same with tables).  I can't find a user variable for
> figure number or table number. Am I missing something?  Can I create one
> myself?

Molly,

Here's how I do it.

1. For my figure title paragraph format, in the Paragraph Designer, on the 
Numbering tab, I checked the Autonumber Format checkbox to turn on 
autonumbering.

2. In the Autonumber Format box, I put "F:Fig. . " This causes "Fig. 1. 
" to appear before the first figure title, and to increment with each 
additional figure. The letter and colon (in this case, "F:") is the "flow." 
It sets this numbering scheme  separate from any others you may have set up. 
It could be any letter. I picked F: for figures. You might want to use T: to 
have your separate numbering scheme for tables in your table title format. 
You can also choose a character format in the Numbering tab to make "Fig. 1. 
" bold.

Personally, I think it's so much easier to number all figures, tables, etc. 
with one scheme. It makes it so much easier for the reader to find them. 
Will the reader find Table 4 before or after Fig. 38? If it's called Fig. 
39, instead of Table 4, the answer is clear.

Mike Wickham

List of Tables, List of Figures

[Combs, Richard]

Molly Keegan wrote:

> I'm trying to set up my two lists so that the figure number 
> appears in front of the figure title (same with tables).  I 
> can't find a user variable for figure number or table number. 
> Am I missing something?  Can I create one myself? 

Assuming you're using autonumbered pgfs for your figure and table titles
(which Mike addressed), you include the paragraph number in the LOF/LOT
by putting the <$paranum> building block into the appropriate pgfs in
the ref page special text flow for the LOF/LOT. For example, in my LOF
flow, the FigCapLOF pgf looks like this (with tabs separating the
building blocks): 

<$paranum>  <$paratext>  <$pagenum>

For a list of the building blocks you can use, see "Editing special text
flows for lists and indexes" in the online help. 

HTH!
Richard


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FM8 - what are hyphens.xxx files for?

[Fred Ridder]

I don't think this has changed in FrameMaker 8.0. In older versions,
the hyphens.* files are the standard, editable language-specific
hyphenation dictionaries as opposed to the spelling dictionaries
(*.lex binary dictionaries, *.dct editable dictionaries), the binary
hyphenation dictionaries (*.hyp), and the binary thesaurus files
(*.ths). In each case * represents a language code, typically
three letters.

Personally, I've never paid much attention to the hyphenation
dictionaries because our standard templates do not enable
automatic hypehnation for any paragraphs. Our templates use
ragged right alignment and automatic hyphenation makes only
a small improvement in overall appearance but causes a significant
degradation in readability. But YMMV.

Fred Ridder


>From: "Klaus Daube" 
>Reply-To: frame at daube.ch
>To: framers at FrameUsers.com
>Subject: FM8 - what are hyphens.xxx files for?
>Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:50:16 +0200
>
>
>Dear all, especially the FM8 beta testers,
>
>Does anyone have an idea what the files hyphens.xxx in the directory
>dict are good for?
>
>They look very similar to *.dct (user.dct, site.dct, ...) files, but
>obviously are not case sensitive.
>
>Of course these files are coded in UTF-8. These files may be quite
>long. hyphens.bul for example has nearly 3000 lines. As far as I know,
>dct files are limited (or were limited?) to about 2000 lines.
>
>Your answer (or even guess) will help me to understand some things in
>FM8 better.
>
>Klaus Daube
>
>
>
>Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich
>
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>
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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:

> This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
> same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
> main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?


If the FM8 standalone license is consistent with licenses for other 
Adobe products that I've seen, you'll be allowed to activate the program 
on two computers as long as you don't use it on both at the same time. 
In practice, Adobe doesn't know whether (with four hands and two heads) 
you operate two machines simultaneously.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

The activation mechanism supports two activations such
that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
which adds one back to your available activation count.
That system does work pretty well.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM
> To: Sarah O'Keefe
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Thanks, Sarah,
> 
> Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have
> waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more
> than a couple of patches soon.
> 
> This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
> same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
> main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?
> 
> Bodvar

first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Bill Swallow]

Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different
from what was in Acrobat 8?

On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> The activation mechanism supports two activations such
> that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
> you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
> system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
> which adds one back to your available activation count.
> That system does work pretty well.

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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

Same

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommdood at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different
> from what was in Acrobat 8?
> 
> On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> > The activation mechanism supports two activations such
> > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
> > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
> > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
> > which adds one back to your available activation count.
> > That system does work pretty well.
> 
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first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Dov, et. al.

Dov Isaacs wrote:
> The activation mechanism supports two activations such
> that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
> you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
> system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
> which adds one back to your available activation count.
> That system does work pretty well.

I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered
that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone
through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a
new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being
activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly
now).

Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second
copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it
at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if
this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in
any way.

Z

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM
>> To: Sarah O'Keefe
>> Cc: framers at frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
>>
>> Thanks, Sarah,
>>
>> Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have
>> waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more
>> than a couple of patches soon.
>>
>> This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the
>> same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or
>> main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?
>>
>> Bodvar

first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Dov Isaacs]

If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to
equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on
your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center.
They are very understanding about such situations and
unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware
failure every week), they will add an activation to your
copy via the activation server. There was quite a bit of
angst about the activation when it first appeared on
Photoshop 8 on Windows and then on CS2 for all products
and platforms. In reality, things worked out well with
relatively few hiccups. Most of the big complainers were
in fact users who previously tried to install one copy
of a program on a whole fleet of computers.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
> 
> Hi, Dov, et. al.
> 
> Dov Isaacs wrote:
> > The activation mechanism supports two activations such
> > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
> > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
> > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
> > which adds one back to your available activation count.
> > That system does work pretty well.
> 
> I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered
> that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone
> through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a
> new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being
> activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly
> now).
> 
> Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second
> copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it
> at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if
> this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in
> any way.
> 
> Z
> 

first impressions of FrameMaker 8

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Dov.

Dov Isaacs wrote:
> If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to
> equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on
> your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center.
> They are very understanding about such situations and
> unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware
> failure every week), they will add an activation to your
> copy via the activation server.

Good enough! I figured as much ... :) So, I did not worry
about it ... the laptop failure happened over 9 or 10 months
ago, and my new laptop has been fine. I did not even bother
to call Adobe about it when I got that message.

Thanks for the reassurance though!

> Most of the big complainers were
> in fact users who previously tried to install one copy
> of a program on a whole fleet of computers.

It never fails me to amaze me that people think that what
they are doing is legal (and not a violation of the license
terms that they agreed to) and also dumb enough to think
that they would not be caught.

Sad ...

Z

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM
>> To: Dov Isaacs
>> Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
>>
>> Hi, Dov, et. al.
>>
>> Dov Isaacs wrote:
>>> The activation mechanism supports two activations such
>>> that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if
>>> you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third
>>> system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system
>>> which adds one back to your available activation count.
>>> That system does work pretty well.
>> I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered
>> that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone
>> through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a
>> new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being
>> activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly
>> now).
>>
>> Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second
>> copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it
>> at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if
>> this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in
>> any way.

Frame Licenses

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

 I think Frame licenses allowed one install on a desktop and one on a
laptop.
It was not legal to install it on two desktops - even if one was at work
and the other at home!


Micheal O'Laoghaire
KBS Documentation
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.


-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:framers-bounces+micheal.olaoghaire=comverse.com at lists.frameusers
.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth C. Benson
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:04 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:

> This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the

> same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or 
> main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)?


If the FM8 standalone license is consistent with licenses for other
Adobe products that I've seen, you'll be allowed to activate the program
on two computers as long as you don't use it on both at the same time. 
In practice, Adobe doesn't know whether (with four hands and two heads)
you operate two machines simultaneously.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com
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TOC help in Framemaker 8

[Catherine Christiaanse]

hi all,

I have just upgraded to Framemaker version 8 (from 7.2) and I am am
having issues building one of my manuals.  I have successfully updated
and built two Framemaker manuals.  Unfortunately, I am having no end of
difficulty creating a third PFD using an identical method (Save As>PDF
and Acrobat Distiller 6).  The problem seems to be centered around
either the TOC or cross-references.  

Here's a recap of what I've done so far:

(1) after removing the TOC from the book altogether, I was able to
isolate 4 offending cross-references.  once I removed the
cross-references and corresponding markers and then replaced them, I was
able to build a PDF of the book (without the TOC).

(2) I added the TOC back to the book, but receive the following errors
in my log:

 %%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: get ]%%

Stack:
0
-null-
0
-null-
[0 0 1]
/Border
-mark-
/Action
[0 0 0]
/Border
[1050 3380 7650 3143]
/Rect
-mark-


(3) I deleted the TOC file and its backup and created a new TOC.  I
received the same errors as above.

(4) I deleted the new TOC file and created a new one, with only one
paragraph tag.  Same errors.  

(5) I cycled through all of the paragraph tags that I traditionally
include in the TOC, deleting the old file and creating a new one each
time.  Same errors.


Can anyone point in me in the right direction?

thanks in advance for your help,


Cate Christiaanse
Technical Writing Lead
Phone: 425.653.1200 x224
Email: c.christiaanse at tecplot.com  

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