Re: New version of TAP driver for FreeBSD -current

2000-07-11 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard

 Long time back i sent request to the list and asked about including this
 driver into the source tree. i still did not receive any reply. Some people
 seems to be using this driver for Ethernet tunneling (with VTUN software).
 Somebody even requested for OpenBSD port. So it would be really nice to
 hear from one of the commiters.

Hi Maksim,

I've looked at this driver and think it looks useful, though I'm a
little concerned about the handling of bridge support.  We don't
really encourage users to edit module Makefiles just to enable a given
feature in the compiled module since that naturally leads to
situations where one /modules directory is not the same as another
(where you might want to copy things), even though all the same module
names appear.  It also leads to version skew between the kernel and
the modules since sliding a new kernel into place which doesn't have
BRIDGE support would now mysteriously break a module, leading to some
confusion to any admin new on the scene.

Isn't there a better way of enabling support in the module all the
time and conditionally using it only if the kernel also provides the
right support?  At that point it would be my opinion (and mine only)
that it was ready to come into FreeBSD-current as a new feature.

- Jordan


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Re: if_de as a module...

2000-07-11 Thread Mark Murray

 Any file called opt_*.h that is not present is created (empty).

...except the removed opt_*.h are not empty; hence the added headers
in my patch.

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HEADS UP: recent panics fixed

2000-07-11 Thread Brian Fundakowski Feldman

Please let me know if any of you still have spontaneous panics!

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/randomdev yarrow.c

green   2000/07/10 23:47:38 PDT

  Modified files:
sys/dev/randomdevyarrow.c 
  Log:
  One should never allocate 4-kilobyte structs and such on the interrupt
  stack.  It's bad for your machine's health.
  
  Make the two huge structs in reseed() static to prevent crashes.  This
  is the bug that people have been running into and panic()ing on for the
  past few days.
  
  Reviewed by:  phk
  
  Revision  ChangesPath
  1.8   +7 -3  src/sys/dev/randomdev/yarrow.c





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Re: etc/rc.d things...

2000-07-11 Thread Kelly Yancey

On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Mikel wrote:

 
 Kelly Yancey wrote:
 
 
How about rather then separate directories, you prefix the symlink names
  with 'S' for startup scripts and 'K' (for "kill") for shutdown scripts. Then,
  you rename rc.d to rc3.d...
 
 I like it. It's clean and simple, almost to the point of being elegant. But why
 bother adding rc?.d if you are going to right it to handle s or k then the present
 home should be fine, no?
 

  It was a reference to how SysV organized it's rc scripts. SysV implements
'run-levels' for which there is a rcX.d for each run-level. The
startup/shutdown scripts for a run-level are executed at transitions between
levels. In any event, it was a poor attempt at humor on my part. Don't go down
this road, read the archives to see why (search for init and runlevels).

  Kelly

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Re: etc/rc.d things...

2000-07-11 Thread Daniel C. Sobral

Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
 
  http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/devices.html
 
 off topic.

M... I must have copied the wrong link, then...

  http://www.freebsd.org/~eivind/newrc.html
 
 well. what about a mix of the SystemV approach (ala HP-UX) and the IRIX one
 (using something like chconfig).
 
 HP-UX :
 
 /sbin/init.d/script start_msg|stop_msg|start|stop (FMPOV, there isn't not
 enough possible choises, such as status, restart, config, command, etc.)
 /sbin/rc[S0-5].d/[SK][0-9][0-9][0-9]script linked to /sbin/init.d/script
  ^^
This is confusing and difficult ot manage.

 /sbin/rc (+ /sbin/rc.util) sources /etc/rc.config then runs /sbin/rc?.d
 startup files
 /etc/rc.config.d/services are configuration files (ala bourne shell).

Non-centralized configuration is frowned upon. Having to find which file
has something, or having to read through multiple files to understand
how the system is configured is a disadvantage wrt to the present
system.

 /sbin/rc.config sources /etc/rc.config.d configuration files.
 /usr/sbin/ch_rc is not so easy to use to modify /etc/rc.config.d/services.
 
 IRIX : oops, don't remember how works startup scripts. I just remember me
configurations files :
 
 /sbin/chconfig [on|off] service or something like that.
 (don't remember if it's possible to change options through chconfig,
 but I guess no).
 /etc/config/services enable or disable services.
 /etc/config/services.options just contains arguments to services.
 
 so, a mix of both w/o the levels stuffs + a /etc/rc.default.d (a synonym
 to /etc/defaults/rc.conf but in separate files between HP-UX and IRIX
 configuration files) would be a begining.

It would be a waste of time. Without the levels, we are gaining nothing,
and we loose in additional useless complexity. Alas, "levels" is a
half-assed solution, because the states in which a system can be in are
in a graph.

The above proposal doesn't have an ink of a chance. Please, read
Eivind's page, and read the numerous previous post on this topic.

  and my favorite substitute proposal:
 
  http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/sas/.
 
 effectively, the last one is interresting. a major problem w/ this one is the
 use of "perl" which is not available a boot time since it is located in /usr.

I'm sure it can be easily done as a C program.

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Re: etc/rc.d things...

2000-07-11 Thread Cyrille Lefevre

"Daniel C. Sobral" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Cyrille Lefevre wrote:
  
  HP-UX :
  
  /sbin/init.d/script start_msg|stop_msg|start|stop (FMPOV, there isn't not
  enough possible choises, such as status, restart, config, command, etc.)
  /sbin/rc[S0-5].d/[SK][0-9][0-9][0-9]script linked to /sbin/init.d/script
   ^^
 This is confusing and difficult ot manage.

I'm just explaining HP-UX and IRIX implementations for someone who don't
know them.

  /sbin/rc (+ /sbin/rc.util) sources /etc/rc.config then runs /sbin/rc?.d
  startup files
  /etc/rc.config.d/services are configuration files (ala bourne shell).
 
 Non-centralized configuration is frowned upon. Having to find which file
 has something, or having to read through multiple files to understand
 how the system is configured is a disadvantage wrt to the present
 system.

not so difficult if a command do that for you. (show, change, start and stop)

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Re: if_de as a module...

2000-07-11 Thread Bruce Evans

On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Nick Hibma wrote:

 The opt_ files can be generated by the makefiles, so there is no reason
 to remove those, see sys/modules/usb/Makefile
 
 SRCS = bus_if.h device_if.h usb_if.h usb_if.c \
vnode_if.h \
opt_usb.h \
   ...
 
 Any file called opt_*.h that is not present is created (empty).

The opt_ files are used includes, so removing them breaks certain
functionality in both the statically compiled version and the module.
Empty ones for the module only break this functionality for the module.
Modules shouldn't depend on options.

Bruce



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Re: Perl 5.6.0 pod2man ports

2000-07-11 Thread Alexander Leidinger

On 10 Jul, Will Andrews wrote:

 Only if ports-base isn't anymore in ports-all or my local CVS tree is
 
 ports-base was/has never [been] in ports-all, for some strange reason.

Really?

/usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile:
---snip---
## Ports Collection.
#
# The easiest way to get the ports tree is to use the "ports-all"
# mega-collection.  It includes all of the individual "ports-*"
# collections,
ports-all

# These are the individual collections that make up "ports-all".  If you
# use these, be sure to comment out "ports-all" above.
#
# Be sure to ALWAYS cvsup the ports-base collection if you use any of the
# other individual collections below. ports-base is a mandatory collection
# for the ports collection, and your ports may not build correctly if it
# is not kept up to date.
#ports-base
---snip---

I read this as: If you didn't use "ports-all", you have to use
"ports-base". If you use "ports-all", "ports-base" is already included.

And:
---snip---
(2) netchild@ttyp2% ident /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk:
 $FreeBSD: ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk,v 1.341 2000/07/04 08:47:50 asami Exp $
---snip---

If it isn't included, I would have trouble because of the DISTNAME -
PORTNAME/PORTVERSION change.

Bye,
Alexander.

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IPv6 support for installer

2000-07-11 Thread Hajimu UMEMOTO

Hi,

I wrote IPv6 support code for FreeBSD installer.  It was tested by
Japanese IPv6 guys and seems OK.  So, I'd like to commit it.  Could
someone please review it before commit?

There are the diff against 5.0-CURRENT and FD images built under
4.0-STABLE here:

http://www.imasy.or.jp/~ume/ipv6/test/flp/

However, there is few mirror servers which is IPv6 capable in the
world yet.  It is too sad.  So, I wish to added `IPv6 ready' section
to FTP server list.  But, I know only one server ftp7.jp.freebsd.org.
I don't know if there are any other IPv6 ready mirror servers.  If
available, please let me know.

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RE: New version of TAP driver for FreeBSD -current

2000-07-11 Thread Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO

Jordan,

 I've looked at this driver and think it looks useful, though I'm a
 little concerned about the handling of bridge support.   We don't
 really encourage users to edit module Makefiles just to enable a given
 feature in the compiled module 

[...]

i think that whole ``#ifdef BRIDGE'' section can be removed from the code.
``ether_input'' seems to be take care of it. it also feeds frame to ``bpf'',
so it also can be removed. thanks to Nick Sayer for the hint :)

i just got e-mail that makes a good point about Ethernet bridging

quote
it seems freebsd 4.x bridgin code is somewhat broken.. (it initializes the 
tables of devices it can bridge at boot time).. thus tap0 isnt available
yet..

so basically bridging doesnt work ;(
/quote

ooops :) will check on it :) seems to me we need some interface to
add/remove interfaces to/from bridge.

Thanks,
emax


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Update IPv6 support for tcp_wrappers

2000-07-11 Thread Hajimu UMEMOTO

Hi,

I updated the patch for tcp_wrappers to support IPv6 scoped address.
It enables us to control link-local connections by interface like
this:

ALL : ALL@[fe80::%ed0]/10 : allow
ALL : ALL@[fe80::]/10 : deny

I'd like to commit it.  Though, new IPv6 support code is running
without any problems over two months, it has many changes and is not
reviewed.  I think tcp_wrapper is nervous part of security.  Could
someone pleace review it?
The patch is available from:

http://www.imasy.or.jp/~ume/ipv6/FreeBSD/tcp_wrappers-scopeid.diff

Thanks,

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*weird* post-upgrade problem

2000-07-11 Thread Michael Lucas

Before I start digging into this, I thought someone might have a lead
for me.  The archives say nothing, although I'm not sure how to search
on something like this.  ("Just Plain Weird" generates too many hits.)

I just upgraded to yesterday's -current from last week's -current.
via make buildworld, make buildkernel, make installkernel, and make
installworld, mergemaster, blah blah blah.

Now, when I boot, I get:

No /boot/loader
FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:

So, I typed in the default.  Nothing seemed to happen, but the hard
drive lit up, so I figured that I'd leave it be.  No dmesg appeared.

Moments later, however, a login prompt appears.  The keyboard is still
nonresponsive.  I can access network services the laptop offers, but I
don't have telnetd or sshd installed. :(

Does anyone have *any* clue on where I should start to look?  I'm
rigging up a serial console as soon as I'm done here.

Thanks,
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Re: KAME integration and plans

2000-07-11 Thread Ben Smithurst

Kris Kennaway wrote:

 In this vein, I'd like to suggest a new "hands-off" policy of not
 committing gratuitous changes to KAME-derived code, including manpage
 changes, unless:
 
 a) The commit is required for operation on FreeBSD (in which case it's not
 really gratuitous)

I'd like to commit this:

--- stf.4   2000/07/04 16:39:23 1.4
+++ stf.4   2000/07/11 13:44:47
@@ -36,7 +36,7 @@
 .Nd
 .Tn 6to4 tunnel interface
 .Sh SYNOPSIS
-.Cd "pseudo-device stf"
+.Cd "pseudo-device gif"
 .Sh DESCRIPTION
 The
 .Nm

'pseudo-device stf' gives an error, stf lives in the gif driver, so this
is required really.  Is that ok?  Is there anyone at KAME I should send
this to as well?

 Sheldon Hearn will be taking care of passing the manpage diffs back to
 KAME.

ah... right.  I guess that answers my question. :-) Sheldon - you can
commit this yourself if you want, or shall I do it and you just take
care of passing it back to KAME?  It's releated to PR 19163 by the way.

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re: *weird* post-upgrade problem

2000-07-11 Thread Michael Lucas

Well, I fixed the problem with a serial console, and doing 

cp /boot/loader.old /boot/loader

Has anyone else seen anything like this? Or is it flat-out pilot error?

Thanks,
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Re: KAME integration and plans

2000-07-11 Thread Sheldon Hearn



On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:56:35 +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:

 'pseudo-device stf' gives an error, stf lives in the gif driver, so this
 is required really.  Is that ok?  Is there anyone at KAME I should send
 this to as well?

I'm interested to see how the KAME folks react to our chucking out the
pseudo-device keyword from config(8).  :-)

  Sheldon Hearn will be taking care of passing the manpage diffs back to
  KAME.
 
 ah... right.  I guess that answers my question. :-) Sheldon - you can
 commit this yourself if you want, or shall I do it and you just take
 care of passing it back to KAME?  It's releated to PR 19163 by the way.

For now, I'll be looking at passing back to the KAME folks all those
fixes that this pending merge will blow away.

Ciao,
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Re: etc/rc.d things...

2000-07-11 Thread David Scheidt

On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

:Daniel C. Sobral writes:
: Mike Meyer wrote:
: The multiple levels are there to deal with changes in state. In BSD, for
: instance, we have single user/multi-user. A number of other variations
: can exist, both in heavy duty servers where you might want to bring
: certain services down for upgrade and then back up, and "desktop"
: machines, such as notebooks where you can be stand-alone, docked into
: different networks (eg. home/work).
:
:I'm familiar with why mutliple levels exist. I've never run into a
:system that had a real use for more than three run levels - powered
:off, maintenance, and up - though I've not dealt with

Some of the machines I work on have three useful multi-user states.
Runlevel 2 is plain-old multi-user mode, where filesystems are mounted, and
the normal collection of services (mail, telnetd, ftpd, etc) are running.
Run level 3 adds the DBMS, run level 4 adds the database dependent
application.  


:P.S. - anyone else remember rc.single? Anyone care?

Haven't seen one since Ultirx.  shudder.


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HEADS UP: Inode numbers in daily security output.

2000-07-11 Thread David Malone

I've just changed the daily security secipt to include the inode
numbers of suid files. This means the first time you run the updated
script you will see lots of files have "changed" - this is just
the inclusion of the inode numbers in the listing.

I'd like to MFC this to 4.X in a few days, but I'm not sure if I
should wait 'till after 4.1 is released. Opinions?

David.


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re: *weird* post-upgrade problem

2000-07-11 Thread Adam

If you dont use the loader, then the device.hints wont load and you wont
have a console for the kernel to print to.  I had the same symptoms the
other day when I typo'ed the name of the device.hints file.  Don't know
where your loader went but if I were you I'd try compiling it and sticking
it in instead of the old one.  If you dont like the device.hints thing,
there is some way to compile it in staticly. 

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Michael Lucas wrote:

Well, I fixed the problem with a serial console, and doing 

cp /boot/loader.old /boot/loader

Has anyone else seen anything like this? Or is it flat-out pilot error?

Thanks,
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ppp-related panic in sbdrop()

2000-07-11 Thread Udo Erdelhoff

Hi,
I've finally managed to capture a crashdump after a panic in sbdrop(). The
machine in question uses ppp/ipfw/natd to connect a small LAN to the
outside world via a DSL link. ppp started to misbehave: NS queries were
sent out but didn't come back (I had tcpdumps running on both tun0 and
ed1). I tried to terminate ppp by sending a SIGTERM. ppp (pid 78) was
still around after a minute, so I send a SIGTERM. The machine crashed
immediately.

The machine world as of 7/7, I've only added the latest type fix to
ppp/bundle.c (rev 1.99).

The point of doom:

bash# gdb -k /sys/compile/UE/kernel.debug /var/crash/vmcore.0 
GNU gdb 4.18
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GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...
IdlePTD 3952640
initial pcb at 325320
panicstr: sbdrop
panic messages:
---
panic: sbdrop

syncing disks... 
done
Uptime: 1h4m5s

dumping to dev #da/0x20001, offset 190228
dump 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 
37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 
8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 
---
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:303
303 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3();
(kgdb) wwhheerree
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:303
#1  0xc01717f4 in poweroff_wait (junk=0xc02b3a26, howto=-946356848)
at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:553
#2  0xc01931c8 in sbdrop (sb=0xc797bd90, len=158)
at ../../kern/uipc_socket2.c:793
#3  0xc0193058 in sbflush (sb=0xc797bd90) at ../../kern/uipc_socket2.c:772
#4  0xc0192b11 in sbrelease (sb=0xc797bd90, so=0xc6d59b40)
at ../../kern/uipc_socket2.c:455
#5  0xc0191443 in sorflush (so=0xc6d59b40) at ../../kern/uipc_socket.c:988
#6  0xc01900ad in sofree (so=0xc6d59b40) at ../../kern/uipc_socket.c:262
#7  0xc01901de in soclose (so=0xc6d59b40) at ../../kern/uipc_socket.c:327
#8  0xc018553a in soo_close (fp=0xc0f8fe40, p=0xc74b32a0)
at ../../kern/sys_socket.c:193
#9  0xc0166165 in fdrop (fp=0xc0f8fe40, p=0xc74b32a0) at ../../sys/file.h:212
#10 0xc01660ab in closef (fp=0xc0f8fe40, p=0xc74b32a0)
at ../../kern/kern_descrip.c:1079
#11 0xc0165dfc in fdfree (p=0xc74b32a0) at ../../kern/kern_descrip.c:945
#12 0xc016854d in exit1 (p=0xc74b32a0, rv=9) at ../../kern/kern_exit.c:186
#13 0xc01732d2 in sigexit (p=0xc74b32a0, sig=9) at ../../kern/kern_sig.c:1499
#14 0xc017304c in postsig (sig=9) at ../../kern/kern_sig.c:1402
#15 0xc028e6f0 in syscall2 (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, 
  tf_edi = -1077940036, tf_esi = 134920284, tf_ebp = -1077940004, 
  tf_isp = -946356268, tf_ebx = 672838652, tf_edx = 134909952, 
  tf_ecx = 2048, tf_eax = 29, tf_trapno = 7, tf_err = 2, 
  tf_eip = 673074366, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 647, tf_esp = -1077940096, 
  tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:164
#16 0xc02838f5 in Xint0x80_syscall ()
#17 0x80781c6 in ?? ()
#18 0x806eaa9 in ?? ()
#19 0x806e1fb in ?? ()
#20 0x8078778 in ?? ()
#21 0x805996f in ?? ()
#22 0x804ccd8 in ?? ()
#23 0x806a776 in ?? ()
#24 0x806a35f in ?? ()
#25 0x804b0a1 in ?? ()
(kgdb) frame 2
#2  0xc01931c8 in sbdrop (sb=0xc797bd90, len=158)
at ../../kern/uipc_socket2.c:793
793 panic("sbdrop");
(kgdb) print sb
$1 = (struct sockbuf *) 0xc797bd90
(kgdb) print *sb
$2 = {sb_cc = 158, sb_hiwat = 20480, sb_mbcnt = 512, sb_mbmax = 163840, 
  sb_lowat = 1, sb_mb = 0x0, sb_sel = {si_pid = 0, si_note = {
  slh_first = 0x0}, si_flags = 0}, sb_flags = 64, sb_timeo = 0}
(kgdb) print len
$3 = 158
(kgdb) print m
$4 = (struct mbuf *) 0xc02b3a26
(kgdb) print *m
$5 = {m_hdr = {mh_next = 0x72646273, mh_nextpkt = 0x4e00706f, 
mh_data = 0x63706900 Address 0x63706900 out of bounds, 
mh_len = -1377828864, mh_type = -16336, mh_flags = 73}, M_dat = {MH = {
  MH_pkthdr = {rcvif = 0x6d6d7564, len = -1373634439, 
header = 0x616dc030 Address 0x616dc030 out of bounds, 
csum_flags = 1668248440, csum_data = 1718968939, aux = 0xae60}, 
  MH_dat = {MH_ext = {
  ext_buf = 0x616dc030 Address 0x616dc030 out of bounds, 
  ext_free = 0x636f7378, ext_size = 1937007979, ext_ref = 0xaea0}, 
MH_databuf = 
"0Àmaxsockets\000\000 ®0Àsockbuf_waste_factor\000\000\000\000à®0Àkern.ipc.maxsockets\000\004¯0À\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\024¯0Àaccept\000connec\000sfbufa\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000sf_buf_ref:
 referencing a free sf_buf", '\000' repeats 27 times, "sf_buf_free: freeing free 
sf_buf\000sfpbs"}}, 
M_databuf = "dummy\000 
®0Àmaxsockbuf\000\000`®0Àmaxsockets\000\000 

Re: KAME integration and plans

2000-07-11 Thread Ben Smithurst

Sheldon Hearn wrote:

 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:56:35 +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
 
 'pseudo-device stf' gives an error, stf lives in the gif driver, so this
 is required really.  Is that ok?  Is there anyone at KAME I should send
 this to as well?
 
 I'm interested to see how the KAME folks react to our chucking out the
 pseudo-device keyword from config(8).  :-)

Ah, good point...  I did my test on -stable where pseudo-device still
exists.  I'll wait for a while for this one then.  There's another PR
open on this problem, which asmodai is looking at (18852).

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Re: HEADS UP: Inode numbers in daily security output.

2000-07-11 Thread Udo Schweigert

On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 15:28:45 +0100, David Malone wrote:
 I've just changed the daily security secipt to include the inode
 numbers of suid files. This means the first time you run the updated
 script you will see lots of files have "changed" - this is just
 the inclusion of the inode numbers in the listing.
 

I think this is a very good idea.

 I'd like to MFC this to 4.X in a few days, but I'm not sure if I
 should wait 'till after 4.1 is released. Opinions?
 

Give us at least two days with it, but I think it is too tight to 4.1
release date to get MFC'ed.

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syscons hangs with -current

2000-07-11 Thread Eric Anholt

I am getting freezes  on -current as of my last two updates, Jul. 9 
and today, Jul. 10.  My previous update was around Jun 14.  I can 
boot the kernel from the last update just fine, though ppp doesn't 
work due to net changes. (I'm stuck using the mac with a modem as a 
natting router.  ugh.)  Bootblocks are from the Jul 9 update.  The 
system is a BP6 with non-overclocked Celeron 366s, 256MB ram, voodoo3 
pci.  I've tried both GENERIC and my configured kernel, I've tried 
swapping video cards to an s3, and changed every other card in the 
system one time or another while examining this.  I played with the 
video irq in the bios, the pnp bios options, and the hints.  The 
hints are from GENERIC with the addition of my soundblaster pcm 
entries.  I tried unsetting various hints related to sc from the 
loader, but there was never any change (a boot without any extra 
hints at all gives the same error, too).  I compiled up a kernel with 
pcvt rather than sc, but that just panicked at the atkbd area, as 
reported by someone else in the mail archives.  I can't find anything 
in the archives or UPDATING about this situation.  All kernels were 
compiled with default optimization.

(copying by hand, junk left out)

pci0: 3dfx Voodoo 3 graphics accelerator at 15.0
vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xv on isa0
sc0: System console on isa0
sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200
fdc0: ...
fdc0: ...
fd0: ...
isa0: @@@ found
isa0: @@@ found
isa0: @@@ found
atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) at port 0x60, 0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: AT Keyboard flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
vga1: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3v0-0x3bb iomem 0xb-0xb7fff on isa0
sc1: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0
_
At this point, the cursor shows but the kb doesn't respond.

A few bits of the hints, as reported by "show" from the loader
console=vidconsole
hint.atkbd.at=atkbdc
hint.atkbd.0.flags=0x1
hint.atkbd.0.irq=1
hint.atkbdc.0.at=isa
hint.atkbdc.0.port=0x060
hint.sc.0.at=isa
hint.sc.0.flags=0x100
hint.vga.0.at=isa
hint.vt.0.at=isa

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: KAME integration and plans

2000-07-11 Thread Hajimu UMEMOTO

 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:56:35 +0100
 Ben Smithurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

ben 'pseudo-device stf' gives an error, stf lives in the gif driver, so this
ben is required really.  Is that ok?  Is there anyone at KAME I should send
ben this to as well?

No.  Before merging latest KAME, that is true.  In that days, stf was
quick hack version of gif.  But, stf is NOT gif but stf, now.
My config contains:

  device  stf # 6to4 IPv6 over IPv4 encapsulation

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Recent syscons weirdness (nervous /dev/sysmouse)

2000-07-11 Thread Donn Miller

I'm using moused in conjunction with XFree86 4.0.1 and /dev/sysmouse. 
Recently, my mouse pointer has been extremely jumpy in XFree86.  I
think this is a syscons problem, as I have this problem with moused at
the console as well.  Also, cursor movement is very jumpy.

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NETGRAPH changes

2000-07-11 Thread Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO

Hello All,

Does anybody knows when -current NETGRAPH changes 
will be back ported to 4.X branch (if they ever will)?

Thanks,
emax


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Re: bug: kernel hangs at boot

2000-07-11 Thread Andrew J. Korty

On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 06:29:11AM -0700, Andrey A. Chernov wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:03:22PM -0700, Andrey A. Chernov wrote:
  Fresh -current kernel with fresh -current bootblocks loaded ok but hangs in 
  boot (no diagnostics even printed, just silent hang with "/" on the screen).
  
  Kernel from Jun14 with fresh -current bootblocks (i.e. the same bootblocks) 
  booted Ok.
 
 The reason found. I have "-O2 pipe" instead of default "-O pipe", but I have 
 it working all the time from very beginning. Why this becomes broken?

I've been having the same problem for weeks on my Sony Vaio Z505RX,
and recently reproduced it on my K6 300.  Changing -O2 to -O doesn't
help.  The spinner freezes (sometimes on "/", but not always), but
the system still seems to boot without displaying anything on the
console.  The disk spins as if fsck is running, but the system is
essentially unusable.  It's almost as if the console is not being
detected.

This problem began after Peter Wemm's config changes.  Both my own
kernel configuration nor GENERIC behave similarly.  New boot blocks
did not help for either of my systems.

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Re: syscons hangs with -current

2000-07-11 Thread Sheldon Hearn



On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:14:16 MST, Eric Anholt wrote:

 I am getting freezes  on -current as of my last two updates, Jul. 9 
 and today, Jul. 10.  My previous update was around Jun 14.  I can 
 boot the kernel from the last update just fine, though ppp doesn't 
 work due to net changes.

Just as a datapoint, I'm getting reboots and hard locks shortly after
reboot (no more than 20 minutes) using a kernel built from sources from
around 22H30 last night.

A kernel from around the same time on Friday last week does not exhibit
the problem.

 sc1: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0

Note, though, that my box _does_ make it _well_ past the kernel probe
stage and doesn't show the peculiar sc1 device at probe time.  Any idea
what that is, by the way?  You haven't perhaps got ``device sc 2'' or
something crazy in your kernel config file?

Ciao,
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Re: Perl 5.6.0 pod2man ports

2000-07-11 Thread John Polstra

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Alexander Leidinger  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10 Jul, Will Andrews wrote:
 
  Only if ports-base isn't anymore in ports-all or my local CVS tree is
  
  ports-base was/has never [been] in ports-all, for some strange reason.
 
 Really?
[...]
 I read this as: If you didn't use "ports-all", you have to use
 "ports-base". If you use "ports-all", "ports-base" is already included.

You are correct.  The ports-all collection includes ports-base, and
that has always been the case.

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Re: KAME integration and plans

2000-07-11 Thread Ben Smithurst

Hajimu UMEMOTO wrote:

 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:56:35 +0100
 Ben Smithurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 ben 'pseudo-device stf' gives an error, stf lives in the gif driver, so this
 ben is required really.  Is that ok?  Is there anyone at KAME I should send
 ben this to as well?
 
 No.  Before merging latest KAME, that is true.  In that days, stf was
 quick hack version of gif.  But, stf is NOT gif but stf, now.
 My config contains:
 
   device  stf # 6to4 IPv6 over IPv4 encapsulation

Ok.  I guess all that needs doing is s/pseudo-device/device/ in the
SYNOPSIS then.

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Recent -current Performance Drop?

2000-07-11 Thread Thomas D. Dean

I don't know if this belongs in -current or -smp, so here goes.

I am running -current SMP, cvsup, etc. late last night PDT.

# uname -a
FreeBSD celebris 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: \
  Tue Jul 11 09:53:15 PDT 2000 \
  tomdean@celebris:/usr/src/sys/compile/CELEBRIS-SMP i386

I have been using 'make world' as a stability/performance indicator.

The stability has been good.  I have had no recent panics, etc.,
during 'make world'.  I choose the times to update carefully.

Good work core team.

I seem to see somewhat of a performance drop in the past week.

I save the output of 'make world' I know this is not a benchmark nor a
very accurate indicator.  However, I believe 'make world' is a pretty
good torque tool for a lightly loaded, interactive, 'play' system.
And, disk I/O, compiling and executing user code is what interactive
users do.

If 'make world' puts out approximately the same number of lines, I
think it is doing about the same amount of work.

I see an increase in 'make world' time over the past week, or so.  The
number of lines of output has gone up slightly.  The time elapsed has
gone up more.

# world_time.sh
Make World Statistics
-current SMP, 2xP133, 96MB RAM, IBM Superstor 9G disk.
Lines is the number of lines of output produced by 'make world'.
Date Lines Make Time Lines/Minute
 - - 
19991018 35281  6h40m16s 88.20
2401 39490  7h56m18s 82.96
2402 39427  7h28m41s 88.01
2412 39404  7h10m21s 91.64
2621 38679  7h20m20s 87.91
2630 39530  7h56m20s 83.05
2709 39679  8h40m28s 76.31
2710 39568  9h13m46s 71.55
2711 41178  9h22m05s 73.27

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Re: Recent -current Performance Drop?

2000-07-11 Thread Adam

phk turned on some extra malloc options by default that a) catch more bugs
b) make it slower.  I hope you are reading cvs-all when you are using
-current.  

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Thomas D. Dean wrote:

I don't know if this belongs in -current or -smp, so here goes.

I am running -current SMP, cvsup, etc. late last night PDT.

# uname -a
FreeBSD celebris 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: \
  Tue Jul 11 09:53:15 PDT 2000 \
  tomdean@celebris:/usr/src/sys/compile/CELEBRIS-SMP i386

I have been using 'make world' as a stability/performance indicator.

The stability has been good.  I have had no recent panics, etc.,
during 'make world'.  I choose the times to update carefully.

Good work core team.

I seem to see somewhat of a performance drop in the past week.

I save the output of 'make world' I know this is not a benchmark nor a
very accurate indicator.  However, I believe 'make world' is a pretty
good torque tool for a lightly loaded, interactive, 'play' system.
And, disk I/O, compiling and executing user code is what interactive
users do.

If 'make world' puts out approximately the same number of lines, I
think it is doing about the same amount of work.

I see an increase in 'make world' time over the past week, or so.  The
number of lines of output has gone up slightly.  The time elapsed has
gone up more.

# world_time.sh
Make World Statistics
-current SMP, 2xP133, 96MB RAM, IBM Superstor 9G disk.
Lines is the number of lines of output produced by 'make world'.
Date Lines Make Time Lines/Minute
 - - 
19991018 35281  6h40m16s 88.20
2401 39490  7h56m18s 82.96
2402 39427  7h28m41s 88.01
2412 39404  7h10m21s 91.64
2621 38679  7h20m20s 87.91
2630 39530  7h56m20s 83.05
2709 39679  8h40m28s 76.31
2710 39568  9h13m46s 71.55
2711 41178  9h22m05s 73.27

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Re: Recent -current Performance Drop?

2000-07-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp


I seem to see somewhat of a performance drop in the past week.

You should have read the commit messages :-)

I enabled malloc flags AJ by default, this has a performance
cost.  It will be turned off for releases of course.

It has already exposed on bug (see peters commit).

You can disable it if you want to run benchmarks:

ln -sf aj /etc/malloc.conf

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SCSI DAT tape question

2000-07-11 Thread Robert Small

I'm running an adaptec controller (1542CF) with a Sony SDT-5000.  I'm
running:

reeBSD (5.0-2511-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-2511-CURRENT #4: Thu Jul 6
20:31:41 CDT 2000)

When I issue the command "camcontrol eject sa0" I receive:

Error received from stop unit command

When I issue the command "camcontrol stop sa0" I receive"

Error received from stop unit command

I can boot the system into Windows or System Commander and eject the
tape using the eject button.

Any ideas?

Robert


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Re: SCSI DAT tape question

2000-07-11 Thread Bruce A. Mah

If memory serves me right, "Robert Small" wrote:
 I'm running an adaptec controller (1542CF) with a Sony SDT-5000.  I'm
 running:
 
 reeBSD (5.0-2511-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-2511-CURRENT #4: Thu Jul 6
 20:31:41 CDT 2000)
 
 When I issue the command "camcontrol eject sa0" I receive:
 
 Error received from stop unit command
 
 When I issue the command "camcontrol stop sa0" I receive"
 
 Error received from stop unit command
 
 I can boot the system into Windows or System Commander and eject the
 tape using the eject button.
 
 Any ideas?

Is there some reason why "mt -f /dev/nsa0 offline" won't do what you want?

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Re: NETGRAPH changes

2000-07-11 Thread Archie Cobbs

Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO writes:
 Does anybody knows when -current NETGRAPH changes 
 will be back ported to 4.X branch (if they ever will)?

Which changes in particular are you asking about?

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RE: NETGRAPH changes

2000-07-11 Thread Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO

 Which changes in particular are you asking about?

the attach/detach ``ng_ether'' nodes
 
thanks,
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Re: SCSI DAT tape question

2000-07-11 Thread Kenneth D. Merry

On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 14:50:08 -0500, Robert Small wrote:
 I'm running an adaptec controller (1542CF) with a Sony SDT-5000.  I'm
 running:
 
 reeBSD (5.0-2511-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-2511-CURRENT #4: Thu Jul 6
 20:31:41 CDT 2000)
 
 When I issue the command "camcontrol eject sa0" I receive:
 
 Error received from stop unit command
 
 When I issue the command "camcontrol stop sa0" I receive"
 
 Error received from stop unit command
 
 I can boot the system into Windows or System Commander and eject the
 tape using the eject button.
 
 Any ideas?

Well, why not use 'mt rewoffl'?  That's the normal way to eject a tape.

If you want to know why camcontrol can't eject the tape, use the -v switch
to enable verbose error messages.  i.e.:

camcontrol eject sa0 -v

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Re: NETGRAPH changes

2000-07-11 Thread Archie Cobbs

Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO writes:
  Which changes in particular are you asking about?
 
 the attach/detach ``ng_ether'' nodes

I was planning on MFC'ing that soon.

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Re: Recent -current Performance Drop?

2000-07-11 Thread Wesley Morgan

Actually in the past week or two I have seen a make buildworld drop from
205-210 minutes to 180-190 minutes. But I would be more inclined to
attribute that to changes in the source tree itself, not performance.

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Thomas D. Dean wrote:

 I don't know if this belongs in -current or -smp, so here goes.
 
 I am running -current SMP, cvsup, etc. late last night PDT.
 
 # uname -a
 FreeBSD celebris 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: \
   Tue Jul 11 09:53:15 PDT 2000 \
   tomdean@celebris:/usr/src/sys/compile/CELEBRIS-SMP i386
 
 I have been using 'make world' as a stability/performance indicator.
 
 The stability has been good.  I have had no recent panics, etc.,
 during 'make world'.  I choose the times to update carefully.
 
 Good work core team.
 
 I seem to see somewhat of a performance drop in the past week.
 
 I save the output of 'make world' I know this is not a benchmark nor a
 very accurate indicator.  However, I believe 'make world' is a pretty
 good torque tool for a lightly loaded, interactive, 'play' system.
 And, disk I/O, compiling and executing user code is what interactive
 users do.
 
 If 'make world' puts out approximately the same number of lines, I
 think it is doing about the same amount of work.
 
 I see an increase in 'make world' time over the past week, or so.  The
 number of lines of output has gone up slightly.  The time elapsed has
 gone up more.
 
 # world_time.sh
 Make World Statistics
 -current SMP, 2xP133, 96MB RAM, IBM Superstor 9G disk.
 Lines is the number of lines of output produced by 'make world'.
 Date Lines Make Time Lines/Minute
  - - 
 19991018 35281  6h40m16s 88.20
 2401 39490  7h56m18s 82.96
 2402 39427  7h28m41s 88.01
 2412 39404  7h10m21s 91.64
 2621 38679  7h20m20s 87.91
 2630 39530  7h56m20s 83.05
 2709 39679  8h40m28s 76.31
 2710 39568  9h13m46s 71.55
 2711 41178  9h22m05s 73.27
 
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Didn't mean to slight anyone - good work all who worked on it.

2000-07-11 Thread Thomas D. Dean

The subject says it all.

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Re: SCSI DAT tape question

2000-07-11 Thread Mikel


I like to use:
tar cvpf /dev/ersa0 . >> /var/log/bu.log
so that it ejects the tape automatically after the archive is complete.

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Robert Small wrote:
I'm running an adaptec controller (1542CF) with a
Sony SDT-5000. I'm
running:
reeBSD (5.0-2511-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-2511-CURRENT #4: Thu Jul
6
20:31:41 CDT 2000)
When I issue the command "camcontrol eject sa0" I receive:
Error received from stop unit command
When I issue the command "camcontrol stop sa0" I receive"
Error received from stop unit command
I can boot the system into Windows or System Commander and eject the
tape using the eject button.
Any ideas?
Robert
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Re: syscons hangs with -current

2000-07-11 Thread Matt Miller

On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 07:00:52PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
 
 
 On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:14:16 MST, Eric Anholt wrote:
 
  I am getting freezes  on -current as of my last two updates, Jul. 9 
  and today, Jul. 10.  My previous update was around Jun 14.  I can 
  boot the kernel from the last update just fine, though ppp doesn't 
  work due to net changes.
 
 Just as a datapoint, I'm getting reboots and hard locks shortly after
 reboot (no more than 20 minutes) using a kernel built from sources from
 around 22H30 last night.
 

I had the same problem beginning yesterday.  My sources were updated
at 1500 UTC Jul 10. System would run for between 15 and 25 minutes before
a panic (something about supervisor mode, sorry I didn't do any
tracking, I assumed I'd missed the SMP commits HEADS UP)..

Retrieved sources as of 1700UTC Jul 11 built cleanly and have been running
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Re: KAME integration and plans

2000-07-11 Thread Kris Kennaway

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Ben Smithurst wrote:

 I'd like to commit this:
 
 --- stf.4   2000/07/04 16:39:23 1.4
 +++ stf.4   2000/07/11 13:44:47
 @@ -36,7 +36,7 @@
  .Nd
  .Tn 6to4 tunnel interface
  .Sh SYNOPSIS
 -.Cd "pseudo-device stf"
 +.Cd "pseudo-device gif"
  .Sh DESCRIPTION
  The
  .Nm
 
 'pseudo-device stf' gives an error, stf lives in the gif driver, so this
 is required really.  Is that ok?  Is there anyone at KAME I should send
 this to as well?

Um, "device stf" certainly does work.

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Re: fetch is strange

2000-07-11 Thread NAKAJI Hiroyuki

   Dag-Erling Smorgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It seems that fetch(1) can not fetch any file. In this case, the
 downloaded(?) file size is zero.

DES Make sure you have revision 1.2 (or newer) of src/usr.bin/fetch/fetch.c:

I cvsupped 20 minutes ago and remade libfetch and fetch. It works
good. Thanks!
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ssh not working after upgrading OS?

2000-07-11 Thread Sam Xie

Hi! All,
I upgraded my OS to FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #20, everything seems fine except
ssh.  Every time if I try to ssh to another host, the system gives me an error
message says,
"ssh: no RSA support in libssl and libcrypto.  See ssl(8).  
 Disabling protocol version 1
 DH_generate_key"
What is wrong and how to fix it?
Any help will be gratefull!
  
Thanks!
Sam


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malloc() bug in ld

2000-07-11 Thread Kris Kennaway

Since setting my malloc.conf flags to AJ I'm getting spontaneous sig10's
in ld(1) - in fact I can't link anything with those flags set. Can anyone
else confirm?

Kris

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Re: malloc() bug in ld

2000-07-11 Thread Kris Kennaway

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote:

 Since setting my malloc.conf flags to AJ I'm getting spontaneous sig10's
 in ld(1) - in fact I can't link anything with those flags set. Can anyone
 else confirm?

Hmm, well it went away after a binutils recompile. So maybe I just still
had the old version or something. *shrug*

Kris

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Re: malloc() bug in ld

2000-07-11 Thread Kris Kennaway

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote:

 Hmm, well it went away after a binutils recompile. So maybe I just still
 had the old version or something. *shrug*

Yes, I did:

 ld -V
GNU ld version 2.10-anoncvs-2512 (with BFD 2.10-anoncvs-2512)
  Supported emulations:
   elf_i386

 ld -V
GNU ld version 2.10.0 (with BFD 2.10.0)
  Supported emulations:
   elf_i386

Kris

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Re: KAME integration and plans

2000-07-11 Thread Ben Smithurst

Kris Kennaway wrote:

 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Ben Smithurst wrote:
 
 'pseudo-device stf' gives an error, stf lives in the gif driver, so this
 is required really.  Is that ok?  Is there anyone at KAME I should send
 this to as well?
 
 Um, "device stf" certainly does work.

Ah.  I'm using -STABLE here...  AFAICT you still need 'pseudo-device
gif' there.

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Re: ssh not working after upgrading OS?

2000-07-11 Thread Jeroen C. van Gelderen

Sam Xie wrote:
 
 Hi! All,
 I upgraded my OS to FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #20, everything seems fine except
 ssh.  Every time if I try to ssh to another host, the system gives me an error
 message says,
 "ssh: no RSA support in libssl and libcrypto.  See ssl(8).
  Disabling protocol version 1
  DH_generate_key"
 What is wrong and how to fix it?
 Any help will be gratefull!

You are probably using a -CURRENT with a broken randomness
device. For more information you can try and search the 
mailing list archives. 

Try updating to a more recent -CURRENT, that should help.

Cheers,
Jeroen
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Burned by config changes?

2000-07-11 Thread Patrick Gardella

I've somehow been burned by the config changes when I build world
yesterday.  The build went fine, and then I followed the instructions
on: http://people.freebsd.org/~imp/config-upd.html

But when I rebooted, it freezes right when I type "boot".  Typing "boot
-v" does not reveal anything more.  

I've gone in with an old kernel which lets me boot, and tried building a
new GENERIC one, with no luck.  It freezes at the same place.

I have in place my /boot/device.hints, and it looks right.  

Any pointers to get the system back up and running?  (I do have a
backup, but I'd rather learn how to fix this!)
 
Patrick Gardella


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Re: Burned by config changes?

2000-07-11 Thread John Polstra

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Patrick Gardella  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've somehow been burned by the config changes when I build world
 yesterday.  The build went fine, and then I followed the instructions
 on: http://people.freebsd.org/~imp/config-upd.html
 
 But when I rebooted, it freezes right when I type "boot".  Typing "boot
 -v" does not reveal anything more.  

One thing that can get you is if you have customized "/boot/loader.rc"
in the past.  The make install for the bootloader won't replace this
file if one is already present.  I had a very old one I had hacked up,
and it didn't do the same things as the standard version.  I saw the
same symptoms you're describing.

I deleted my old loader.rc, reinstalled the bootloader, and then
everything worked.

John
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