Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
On 21.04.2012 02:06, Adam Vande More wrote: I'm not sure where the power/performance/price ratio is at currently, but it wasn't that long ago purchasing an intel was a much better deal long term. It was something like it took a year and half of an AMD and intel cpu idling to draw even in total price all the while having a much greater performance potential with Intel. I say this as someone who hopes AMD will succeed. There is much more to it than just raw upfront cost. I know that I will probably get a lot more bang from an Intel CPU (in terms of raw power, especially per CPU-core). However, this computer will be used in a way where more CPU-cores will actually help more than fewer cores with more raw power per core. This is partly because full disc encryption is in place. I also know that the cost of power is something to consider in the longrun. This is however a personal computer, the one I use in my spare time. If I were to worry too much about power, I shouldn't get a graphics board like the one I am considering. :-) They outweigh the CPU threefold - even if not constantly. This is a machine that will not run 24/7. Besides, the cost upfront is my main concern at the moment, because my budget is very limited. ;-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: recommendation(s) for new computer
On 22.04.2012 01:04, Wojciech Puchar wrote: REALLY - i an for a long time not up to date what is modern today, as FreeBSD and software i use works lightning fast on ANY new computer you can buy today - if it works at all. [...] The real problem is graphics. I do not have any need of high performance 3D, my laptop and my intel atom based desktop both have integrated intel based GFX. it just works. no tweaking, no messing, no binary drivers, no trash, no 32-bit only etc. i am not sure if dual core intel atom E525 would keep up with full HD video playing. Probably but i am not sure. Anything stronger will for sure. Thanks for your post, but I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. I wrote down the (more or less) complete configuration to give people a chance to comment on it - should they see a need. The main question was about the graphics part. If you do not use or require high performance 3D, that is fine. I intend to use it - mainly for gaming unter Windows. And if I have an expensive graphics board in my computer I want it to be at least of some use and fun under FreeBSD. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
recommendation(s) for new computer
Mellow greetings, y'all! :-) After several years, I think it's about time for a new computer, since my current one is slowly aging to a meltdown. Well, that and I currently have the dough for a new one. So before I spend it uselessly on women, I'll see to it that I get my new machine ASAP. ;-) Usage: I want to select the components to make them FreeBSD-friendly. Just about anything will run under Windows, so I won't make a fuss there. Windows will run on this machine (too), because from time to time I do enjoy a little gaming. I am not a hardcore-gamer though. About 80% of my time at the computer is spent in non-gaming-mode. And I certainly will not spend extra money to play Crisis in full detail beyond 1080p. I do a lot of writing, reading, some programming, lots of photo-work and watch a movie from time to time. Nearly all of these 80% will bei done running FreeBSD (or PCBSD). Most of these components aren't all that thrilling (because they will run with just about anything), but you are welcome to comment on them if you think I could/should rethink an aspect. Remember that I live in Germany and my choice fell on things that I can easily get on the German market. I took a look at the costs and the prices that Intel wants for their CPUs and mainboards just blew my socks off! Therefore, I decided that this will be an AMD-computer (again). - Asus Sabertooth 990FX - AMD FX-8150 - Corsair Vengeance 16GB Kit [Note: This combination is known to work because a friend has exactly those components.] - Enermax Platimax 600W - LG CH10LS28 I'll leave the case and the fans out of this discussion. :-) And SSD (probably 256GB) is planned too. I just don't know which one yet. You might have noticed that there is no graphics board. That is the actually problem I am having: Should I go with AMD or nVidia? I remember a while back that I had trouble getting an AMD graphics board to work properly under X. The board was too old for the official driver from AMD and the open source driver gave me the feeling that I was back at my old 80386. I doubt that I will be doing any gaming under FreeBSD (although I once did get Warcraft 3 to run using Wine). However, I do want to be able to use 3D effects on the desktop. What I am asking basicly is, what vendor has better support? As an indication, should I buy an AMD-board, it will be something like a 7950 or 7970. Thanks for your time, thoughts and suggestions! Cheers! Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
make installworld broke - try again?
Hi there peeps! I just tried to update from 8.0-RELEASE to RELENG_8_0. I gut this far: - buildworld - buildkernel - installkernel - reboot - mergemaster -p Then I started a make buildworld and it broke here: install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sort /usr/bin install -o root -g wheel -m 444 sort.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo (install) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/libtxi (install) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/makeinfo (install) install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 makeinfo /usr/bin install -o root -g wheel -m 444 makeinfo.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/info (install) install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 info /usr/bin install -o root -g wheel -m 444 info.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 install -o root -g wheel -m 444 info.5.gz /usr/share/man/man5 install -o root -g wheel -m 444 texinfo.5.gz /usr/share/man/man5 === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/infokey (install) install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 infokey /usr/bin install -o root -g wheel -m 444 infokey.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/install-info (install) install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 install-info /usr/bin install -o root -g wheel -m 444 install-info.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/texindex (install) install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 texindex /usr/bin install -o root -g wheel -m 444 texindex.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/doc (install) install-info --quiet --defsection=Miscellaneous --defentry= info.info /usr/share/info/dir install-info --quiet --defsection=Miscellaneous --defentry= info-stnd.info /usr/share/info/dir install-info --quiet --defsection=Miscellaneous --defentry= texinfo.info /usr/share/info/dir install -o root -g wheel -m 444 info.info.gz info-stnd.info.gz texinfo.info.gz /usr/share/info === include (install) creating osreldate.h from newvers.sh touch: not found *** Error code 127 Stop in /usr/src/include. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Obviously, just trying to install again won't do any good (this isn't Windows), I'm just a little careful about breaking the system. It is also possible that I broke this by playing with the compiler-options (I added 'CFLAGS+= -mcpu=ultrasparc' in make.conf). Maybe that broke my world. Would it be a good idea to simply remove this entry and/or update the source, recompile and try to install again? I don't really want to break the system so it doesn't boot again, because after that, it's usually easier to reinstall it from scratch - especially if you are setting up a new system as I am now. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Did something in the hashes change from 6 to 8?
Mellow greetings!
On a box running FreeBSD 6.something (probably 6.4) the boot drive died.
I had never bothered to update it to 7 or 8, since I was planning to
build a new computer anyway. Since I hadn't done that yet and I still
needed the work of this machine, I just put in a new drive and installed
8.0.
The deal is that a script I restored from backup doesn't quite work as I
think it should. This is the part that somehow causes problems:
!/bin/sh
stty -echo
read -p Enter passphrase: passphrase
stty echo
main=`echo ${passphrase} | sha256 | cut -c 1-5`
if [ ${main} != ddfab ]; then
echo Wrong passphrase!
exit
fi
I have typed the password in question about a gazillion times, so I am
pretty sure I got it right. But somehow the 'if' keeps kicking in.
There are two possible reasons for this:
1. I have Alzheimer's.
2. Something about the way sha256(1) and/or digest(1) or one of the
other commands in the script react differenly than before.
Maybe there is another reason that I just don't see?
Can someone help me out here?
Regards,
Chris
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Ich kam.
Ich ging.
Und ich war da gewesen.
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Re: FreeBSD File Server with ZFS
krad schrieb: On another point make sure your p4 has plenty of ram preferably 4gb, but at least 2 Exactly what good will that much RAM do for a 32Bit-CPU? Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Exchanging encrypted data between FreeBSD und Windows
Mellow greetings! There is this thingy that I'd like to do. :-) Basicly plugging a USB-stick (or other portable storage device) into a Windows-box, putting data on it and unloading the data again onto my FreeBSD-box. Sometime the data will have to travel in the other direction too. As long as the information on the stick isn't encrypted, that is pretty trivial - most operating systems can read and write NTFS, all can read and write FAT(32). But if I want to encrypt the information in case I lose whatever the data is stored upon, I run into trouble. Truecrypt, which is widely used unter Windows and Linux doesn't really work under any BSD. Same goes for Free-OTFE. Is there actually any way to do this? Does any software exist that runs unter both Windows and FreeBSD or is there a software for FreeBSD that can read and write volumes of another software that works unter Windows? I mean on the fly encryption, not something like OpenPGP for single files or the like. Regards, Chris -- Geeks don't need to get laid - they get off on benchmark results. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Strange HDD order
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 09:40:53 -0600 Matt wrote: Is the concern with the apparent out-of-order numbering based on how you want to access these devices in areas like fstab? No, not really. Once I set them up in the directory tree, what the drive's device name is won't make a diff to how the system works. I was more worried that maybe the device names (numbers) could change in the future and then I'd have to start wonderung about what drive is what now and where to mount what device now. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for a Text on ZFS
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:55:12 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: that's like 64-bit soundcards that have to be better than 32-bit, while most of them was unable to actually get past 13-14 bit (most past 12) with it's signal to noise ratio. Maybe that's not quite the same thing. :-) However. Even a 64bit filesystem still has gigantic reserves of space and although filling that may not cause the oceans to boil, any storage device that can actually sore all the date that a 64bit fs can allocate will be pretty big in terms of volume and mass and will also use a good deal of energy - even if this is calculated in the same minimalistic way as for ZFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs#Capacity Now I am not sure if the world actually needs a file system that can never be filled - with the limits not made by any feable estimates like we thought we'd never get a 1GB drive full, but by quantum physics. But the fact that it's maximum theoretical size has a few reserves isn't a problem in itself. I have serious doubts that the computers of today are ready for the overhead at all and the overhead is worth the bother. 1) you make create 1000 of filesystems without partitioning. so lots of admins that think more partitions=better are happy. you may set quota for each filesystem Well, actually I am an admin who believes this within limits. I have seperate file systems for /, /usr, /var, /tmp, /home and /usr/obj. The reasons for this are numerous. I have /usr/obj on a different drive than /usr to spread the load while making worlds and I mount /usr/obj asynchronously to increase write speed. With several filesystems I can spread to load the way I want it and decide where the data goes. And one broken fs doesn't screw up the others in the process. I do know the drawbacks of this: Storage is pretty static. Correcting wrong estimates about the needed fs-sizes is a big problem. That is why I keep /usr/home on one big fs. If the users require (for example) 20MB each, then it doesn't matter if one user needs 25MB, as long as 5 others only use 24. If ZFS gives us the best of both worlds, that would actually be an improvement. 2) it takes many drives to the pool and you may add then new drives. same as gconcat+growfs. I read about this. However, I didn't find anything conclusive as to how well the drives can still live on their own if they are ever seperated. Now I don't think they will be addressed as a RAID0 with all the risks of that. But what happens if one of four drives breaks down? Does it make a difference, if the broken drive is the first one, the last one or a middle one? 3) it doesn't have per user quota, which creates a problem that is solved by 1), and you have to create at least one filesystem/user, which then is said to relieve admininstrator from work ;) This doesn't have to be a problem either. Quota are used instead of partitions to tackle two problems: The number of partitions is very limited and resizing a partition is a major issue. By changing the quota you can give one user (or one service) more room and take it away from some of the others that seem to need less than was anticipated. If each user or service can be confined to it's own fs, that would also be good. A newsserver runnung with tradspool needs lots of inodes, most other applications far less. I do see a drawback though: If you change the size of the filesystems a few times, you could wind up with a new sort of fragmentation. New because this sort (a filesystem that is patched together over a drive) hasn't really been encountered yet and it will be very interesting to see what effects this may have. 4) ZFS says that hardware checksums are not enough and disk hardware may be buggy so then solve this problem checking everything with CPU. This also creates a lot of overhead and CPU load. I tried this with GELI on a fs that needed to be intact in a paranoid sense - I get like that sometimes. :-) I did it once and once only. The performance was just not good enough. Granted, I didn't do this on a really new computer but I'm not likely to through away all my old ones either, just so my paranoia can be met with a good speed. :-) while i've had failing drives many times i never seen it reading bad data and not reporting error. Same here. Since I use HDs on my computers, I have had about 20 to 25 drives break down over the years. Ok, I used many of the drives long after other people took similar drives out of their machines and used them as door stops. Basicly, I made these drives work until they dropped dead. :-) None of these drives *ever* gave strange data back. The only time I had that was when the driver for a controller was broken and that issue was there right from the beginning. 5) you don't have to wait for fsck. one of the few real adventages. Anyway - FreeBSD doesn't crash like windoze, so it's not that big thing. Wrong! Crashed accure and they do that quite frequently. Even if FreeBSD is stable in
Re: Looking for a Text on ZFS
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:39:52 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: did you ever got your UFS filesystem broken not because your drive failed? That is not the point here. I have been using FreeBSD sind version 3.3, which was released in 1999. Before that I used Linux. So I can't even look back on 10 years of FreeBSD yet and I don't have that many drives I have to worry about. So the fact if one of my files systems ever broke isn't really representative. To answer the question: Yes, it did happen and not only once. This was in the time when I was setting up a new computer with 6.0-RELEASE and a new S-ATA controller. There was a bug in the driver which the developer managed to fix after we exhanged a few eMails. Before the error was fixed, my machine crashed several times with a kernel panic. There were something like two dozen crashes in that time. Twice the filesystem could be salvaged by fsck, but the data on it was pretty messed up. I don't know how that happened and frankly, I don't care either. The rest of the times, fsck did get the fs into normal working order again whith just the file broken that was last being written. Since the boot drive wasn't connected to the new controller and I was using this machine as a plattform to debug the driver, no real damage was caused. i don't. UFS it's not FAT, and doesn't break up. That's ok to believe if you want to. UFS is designed to minimize errors. There is no guarantee that there will be none. you CAN't estimate well how much space you need in longer term. in practice partitioning like yours means at least 100% more disk space requirements. I wouldn't be that pessemistic. True, you can't be sure you allocated enough space to X, so you leave a safety margine. But the fact that the HDD doesn't grow limits your space anyway. I am not denying that you might waste space this way but it's still nothing I'd lose any sleep over. of course - there are often cases today that whole system needs few gigs, but smallest new drive is 80GB - it will work.. I work with lots of drives that are a lot smaller than that. And the systems still work. :-) still - making all in / is much easier and works fine. Maybe I'm just too conservative for that. Mind you, I don't break up all drives by default. I have some 500GB drives that have only one large partition. This partition is for data (which means everything but system stuff). All I break up into pieces are the default system areas. making all in / and /lessused, where / is at first part on disk, and /lessused on second - make big performance improvements (shorter seeks!). There are about 10 things I can think of that I'd do before I tried something like that. I'm a little surprised about a suggestion like this coming from you because you seem to be a great advocacy of dynamic systems. And here you have to decides what is used often and what not. This is an estimate that you could also mess up - I'm sure I probably would. :-) And chaninge a file from the seldom to the often area isn't that trivial either. I increase performance by mounting /tmp and /usr/obj async and I mount systems I want to work fast with noatime. But ok, noone will judge either of us for working with our systems the way we please. :-) Anyone with Unix knowledge will find his way around my boxes and the same should be true for you. The rest are just details. :-) I read about this. However, I didn't find anything conclusive as to how well the drives can still live on their own if they are ever seperated. Now I don't think they will be addressed as a RAID0 with all the risks of that. But what happens if one of four drives breaks down? Does it make a difference, if the broken drive is the first one, the last one or a middle one? if it's just concat, you will loose lots of data, just like any other filesystem. with concat+mirror - you replace single drive that failed and rebuild mirror. that's all. Which doesn't really address the issue of what happens if a drive that is part of a big ZFS is removed (because it's broken). after reading your answer on 3-rd question i will end the topic, because you understand quota as workaround of problems creating 1000 partitions. or simply - looks like you don't understand it at all, because it is not workaround. it's excellent tool. Maybe you just don't understand my English? :-) I understand quota very well and also what it can do. It is a very useful tool but it is not the holy grail. I actually use both block and file quote on some of the systems I have to watch. And I use both hard and soft at that. Quota does eliminate the need to create one partition for each home directory, even if you think it is not meant for that. And actually, it is used a lot for just that purpose. ISPs with shared hosting products usually don't allow direct write access outside the users ~ anyway. So the quota just stops him from uploading to much. But I know quota is also very useful in mixed
Suggestion for a file manager?
Good afternoon, everybody! I'm looking for a suggestion for a file manager. Something like the Total Commander known from Windows. I know the mc and I already use it. But it has a few functions I miss. Most importantly being able to create queues. I have a lot of work to do that looks like this: move a to A copy b to A move c to B ... Where small letters are directories or files and capital letters represent drives, mount points or other destinations. The idea is to be able to list all the things that have to be copied or moved at once and then to let the computer do its work while I am not around. Some of these tasks can take a while and I don't really like hanging around and waiting for one to finish so I can start the next. One solution (well, not really) would be to start multiple instances and start all the processes at once. This would be ok if all the work were done on seperate drives. But two copy instances from one HDD makes the whole thing a lot slower than if I just did the copying sequentially because of the increased head movement. One other thing I would really like is if this file manager didn't need X but runs on the console as the mc does. Can someone give me a suggestion? Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for a Text on ZFS
On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:11:21 +0100 Mel wrote: If you review the Not done items @ http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFS and still are doubting, then http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/whatis/ describes what the features *can* be. I got a good impression from that text what the advantages are, but I'm too conservative to migrate myself. YMMV. I already read that before I posted my question. Neither by this text, nor by the one in the Wikipedia could I participate in the exitement around ZFS. Ok, so it's a 128Bit FS. Big fat, hairy deal! I couldn't see any advantages in using it instead of FFS (UFS), but I thought I was missing something because porting it would have been somewhat of a hassle and noone would go to all that trouble if it wasn't worth the effort. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Behind a router
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 02:24:43 -0500 Jeremy Gransden wrote: please fix the line wrap in your email. It is unreadable And you really neaded to quote over 600 lines just to write that? Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Behind a router
On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:49:55 -0800 (PST) Eugen Udma wrote:
I took the liberty of cleaning up you post. Please fix your line wrap! One
word per line is not what I call easy reading.
I had a working minimal FreeBSD system until I put it behind a wireless
router. Since then, my network is not accessible anymore when I boot
BSD. On the same desktop I have a Gentoo Linux system which works just
fine, even if I didn't touch any of it's configuration files after I
installed the router.
The router is a ZyXEL P-335U connected to a cable modem. The desktop is
plugged into a LAN port. A laptop connected by wireless has no
problems. The router gets it's IP from the ISP and acts as a firewall
and a DHCP server to my network: it serves a pool of 32 addresses
starting at 192.168.1.33. Its own address is 192.168.1.1. The IP
Subnet Mask is 255.255.255.0.
The configuration files for FreeBSD are shown below. The output of
ifconfig and netstat are also shown for BSD and Linux.
What I don't understand is the fact that having the same router
settings, Linux works while BSD doesn't: I can't even ping 192.168.1.1,
while the same ping in Linux works.
I read the handbook and various other BSD information sources
on the web and I could not solve this issue.
My question is: which config files do I have to edit in FreeBSD and what
settings should I use ? Can anybody help ?
The reason seams to be a completely broken configuration of dhclient.conf
resulting in several problems. Among them that two boxes get the same IP
address. Both your BSD and you Linux box have 192.168.1.33.
/etc/rc.conf
---
ifconfig_dc0=DHCP
hostname=localhost
---
/etc/dhclient.conf
---
interface
dc0
{
send
host-name
localhost;
request
subnet-mask,
broadcast-address,
routers,
domain-name-servers,
domain-name,
time-servers;
require
domain-name-servers;
}
---
The problem is probably you sending that name localhost which should
never have any other address than 127.0.0.1. Why did you play with the
settings anyway? Normally a dhcp-client works right out of the box. I have
never had to change any of the configurations - ever.
Regards,
Chris
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Re: Looking for a Text on ZFS
On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:38:49 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ZFS ends the microsotf monopoly over our disks. And this monopoly is founded on ... what? ZFS begins the world as a 128bit dadaspace. Using ZFS fixes allocations and massaging your NAS. The inode is now the wenode. Usaging ZFS will make everything sunnier. Brighter too. Making ZFS the default FS in an FScentric world ends the pesky problems associated with legacy hardware. Building a ZFS nonuplyindirectwenode multiply redundant redundant filesystem makes Kate Miller-Heidke the Well, the best, I think. I take ist, you don't approve of ZFS? :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: buildworld failed
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:00:36 +0530 Venkatesh K wrote: I did try that too! Still same problem. 1. Please do not quote everything and then put your comment on top. 2. Try a new csup. Sometime the source tree even in -STABLE is a little unstable. :-) 3. Try removing the -march argument. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Strange HDD order
Greetings programs! I have a computer here with 10 HDDs. Four of them are connected to the southbridge of the mainboard. The other 6 are connected to two Promise SATAII 300 TX4. Four of the drives are connected to the first controller (making it 'full') the other two connected to the second. To make the device names predictable I was very careful how I connected them. The four drives connected to the southbridge are in the right order (this also means they have the device names ad0 to ad3). The drives connected to the other controllers are a different story. The two controllers cooperate well and identify themselves as one controller only. So I get only one message showing all the drives. The drives are in this order in the BIOS message: D 0 WDC WD3200SD-01KNB0 08.05J08 (ad4) D 1 WDC WD3200SD-01KNB0 08.05J08 (ad6) D 2 SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR100-11 (ad8) D 3 SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR100-11 (ad10) D 4 Seagate ST3500320AS SD04 (ad12) D 5 Seagate ST3500320AS SD04 (ad14) The device in brackets is the one I'd expect to get. Instead, I get this: ad4: 476940MB SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR100-11 at ata2-master SATA300 ad6: 305245MB WDC WD3200SD-01KNB0 08.05J08 at ata3-master SATA150 ad8: 476940MB SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR100-11 at ata4-master SATA300 ad10: 305245MB WDC WD3200SD-01KNB0 08.05J08 at ata5-master SATA150 ad14: 476940MB Seagate ST3500320AS SD04 at ata7-master SATA150 ad18: 476940MB Seagate ST3500320AS SD04 at ata9-master SATA150 Where did I go wrong? Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange HDD order
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:03:33 +0100 Erik Trulsson wrote: D 0 WDC WD3200SD-01KNB0 08.05J08 (ad4) D 1 WDC WD3200SD-01KNB0 08.05J08 (ad6) D 2 SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR100-11 (ad8) D 3 SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR100-11 (ad10) D 4 Seagate ST3500320AS SD04 (ad12) D 5 Seagate ST3500320AS SD04 (ad14) The device in brackets is the one I'd expect to get. Instead, I get this: ad4: 476940MB SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR100-11 at ata2-master SATA300 ad6: 305245MB WDC WD3200SD-01KNB0 08.05J08 at ata3-master SATA150 ad8: 476940MB SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR100-11 at ata4-master SATA300 ad10: 305245MB WDC WD3200SD-01KNB0 08.05J08 at ata5-master SATA150 ad14: 476940MB Seagate ST3500320AS SD04 at ata7-master SATA150 ad18: 476940MB Seagate ST3500320AS SD04 at ata9-master SATA150 How disks ars numbered do depend on which ports on which controller they are attached to. You want to use the lowest-numbered ports on the Promise controllers. Which ports that is when both controllers identify as a single controller is another question. From what you show it looks like all the odd-numbered ports are on one controller and all the even-numbered ports are on the other. Do you mean physically or logically? Physically the first four drives in the top list (the two WDCs and the two Samsungs) are connected to the first controller. The two Seagates are connected to the second. Try experimenting by changing which disk is connected to which port and see if you can get the behaviour you want. I don't really want or nead any behaviour in particular. This is just a matter of what's in the fstab. I was more wondering how this could be and if this order (and thus the device names) will stay constant or if the OS could get funny ideas after a csup and change this again, which would certainly mess up my directory tree. I was also wondering about the gap there is in the device names. The first controller should get ad4,6,8 and 10. But then, the second should get 12 and not 14. What happened to 12? Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for a Text on ZFS
Hello people! Can anyone give me a link to a text on ZFS that tells me why I might want to use that instead of FFS? I don't want to start a discussion which is better, just a comparison, as I assume that the two are not designed to do the same things. And if possible one that is understandable to people who don't hack FS-code. :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RAID mirror really worked
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:48:09 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: gmirror works too very good without any hardware :) Yes, but a hardware RAID works without the OS having to know about it. :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing the output of uname -m or -p
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:03:42 +0100 Kris Kennaway wrote: Can this even be done and if so how? See the manpage, and the UNAME_* variables. One other thing: Will that change the way the system reacts in any way? Apps should run normally (well, a browser may give a wrong plattform information but that should be it). But what happens if you try to compile something? Will a wrong plattform or CPU variable screw up what the compiler spits out? Could be rather unhealthy if the compiler optimizes code for a sun4u on an i386. :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinterpret gamepad input as keyboeard input
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:12:51 +0100 Christopher Illies wrote: I tried out usbhidaction with something like: Generic_Desktop:Game_Pad.Button:Button_1 1 1 /bin/echo -n ls Obviously, this approach does not work as I hoped. ls is echoed in a shell window, but it is not interpreted as input. Then use the command directly: /bin/sh -c ls Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changing the output of uname -m or -p
Hello Folks! This may be a bit of a hacker's question, but I'll just go for it in here - at least for starters. I want to play a prank on a friend of mine. He does a csup at least once a day and also makes a new world at least once a day. He is pretty nutty about that which is ok for some -CURRENT system, but he also does that on production systems. Now I don't want to judge him about that, but he is a bit sensitive about the output of uname. The version is very important to him. :-) The prank I want to pull is to somehow change the output of uname -m to read something different. The best thing would be to change that to something ancient like C-64, i286, i8086. Or, if only plattforms that FreeBSD supports are allowed, then mips, alpha or sparc64 on an i386. That should keep him thinking for a while. :-) I don't want to do any damage, so I just want to screw up the output of uname and the system should work normally apart from that. I realise that I may have to change some of the OS's code and that's not a problem. I just don't know where to look for this kind of thing and I don't really want to do too much reading just for a little prank. This guy is a really good friend of mine but sometimes get up my neck because I am much more conservative about updating my production systems. As you can see on this machine, I go along the lines of RELENG_6_2 which he can't understand. This should buy me a little peace and quite for a week or two. Getting access to his machines is no problem as I am often at his place. Can this even be done and if so how? Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing the output of uname -m or -p
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:03:42 +0100 Kris Kennaway wrote: Can this even be done and if so how? See the manpage, and the UNAME_* variables. I already did that once and it didn't work out. I just found the reason: I'm too thick. :-/ I though all the letters had to be capitals, so I set UNAME_M instead of UNAME_m. The days my brain leaves me... :-) Thanks for the help! Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there a /bin/sh method to tell the ending of a file
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:27:29 -0600 Paul Procacci wrote: And for what it's worth, I agree that what I provided wasn't pretty, but at least it gives everyone something to stare at for a while. ;P Great, just like a bad accident on a major road. It isn't pretty, but you just have to look. :- Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDEWallet is only partially installed?
Hiya folks! On my Sun (this machine), I only wanted a base KDE with very few apps installed, as I wanted to choose the ones I needed instead of going with the big meta-port. So I just installed kde-base. The whole KDE wouldn't be run anyway, but instead usually only a single apps at a time and these would be displayed on a different computer. Most of that works fine so far. I'm a little fuzzy on KDE-Wallet though. It seems to be installed as other apps (like kopete) use it to save passwords but I can't start (or find for that matter) the manager to manage the stuff in save in the wallet. Is that part of another port that I have to install seperately or am I just missing the point here? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is anybody here running Pidgin (under FreeBSD)?
Hey Fans! :-) Vince wrote: Hope this is enough. I stripped some email addresses out but otherwise untouched. I only use it for ICQ/MSN and have never bothered trying anything more than messaging (no voice etc.) Dmitry Gorbik wrote: Ok, there is my log in attach. No problems coming through gateway 192.168.1.1... I also have: (19:53:30) nat-pmp: found a default gateway (19:53:30) nat-pmp: Attempting to retrieve the public ip address for the NAT device at: 192.168.x.x (19:53:30) nat-pmp: Timeout: 0s 25us (19:53:30) nat-pmp: Response was not received from our gateway! Instead from: 216.230.191.191 All pidgin feautures (file recieving works well). And last, but not least, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: Pidgin 2.2.0, installed via ports Comments: Getting the response from 8.232.191.191 was weird, since that IP is outside of the RR.COM domain! Debug any help? First of all, thanks to all three of you for sending me your debug-messages. I've had a few days of hardcore-work lately (the work that I get paid for) and didn't get much done on Pidgin. :-/ I did get at chance to take a close look yesterday though and I'm afraid, I'll probably let this thing go. First of all, I was hoping that you guys didn't get that nat-pmp messages. A friend of mine who uses Pidgin under Windows doesn't get them either. If this were the case, I'd habe a pretty good guess ready as to what lib I'd have to examine - it might even just have been a quirk in the make and/or configure options. Since this isn't the case, I'd have to look through a ton of libs and fine out where this problem is actually coming from. And that could be very extensive. For all I know at this point, it might even be a problem with FreeBSD on sparc64 - and *that* is something I really don't feel like investigating. I've already started a thread a thread on the Pidgin support mailinglist, but the response there was everything but promising. I even supplied debug info using the gdb (as we had on this list too). There was no response worth mentioning. I got a few questions but not even a rough direction in which I should look a little harder. The mailing list had extremely little traffic for the time that I have been on it, so I guess the comunity isn't all that active. The very thin documentation on the Pidgin home page seems to suggest this too. The *programming* community is very active - I can read the sf-statistics too. :-) But that won't help me much if I can't get in touch with them using normal channels and bugging the developers with problems is usually not a good idea. Well, since I keep in touch with a lot of people at my university via IM, I took a look at the daughters of other mothers :-) out there. Somehow I got stuck with Kopete which at first looked a bit crappy to me but I was completely wrong about that. It looks good and it feels good, which means it's both fun *and* productive to work with. Ok, you have to play around a bit with the themes for the chat windows (displaying a big avatar for every line written is pretty silly in my eyes), but you can quite easily get a window that is both good to look at while still keeping the emphasis on the communication, not on eye candy. Besides that, I like Kopete's buddy list because each contact is a meta-contact by default and behind his or her avatar all the services with wich he or she is online are listed, so you can choose what protocol to contact this person with. This is important because file transfer isn't supported with all protocols. Pidgin requires more effort for this, because you have to open the list for a meta-contact first. I will be investigating why Pidgin didn't run on my machine, but I won't be doing that at full throttle... BTW. If anyone needs a new buddy in his or her list, let me know. :-) But contact me via private eMail first, please. I'm not to crazy about publishing my UIN or whatever on a mailing list that can bei viewed on the web by anyone. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:00:10 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: If you can live without the pretty pictures, you can configure Mutt to use an external browser like lynx or links to display HTML. Otherwise, you could give Claws a closer look. ^ After I read your replying mail, I investigated the Claws. I am considering for moving from this Evolution to the Claws. Evolution is quite a bit more than Claws, as it is supposed to be a clone of Outlook (IIRC). But Cleaws is pretty sexy, because is small and quite fast. But still Thunderbird will remain as the best MUA to me. Not to me. Thunderbird is also a newsclient and in that capacity there are several things missing. If you've ever used something like slrn, you'll miss the scorefile like hell. Thunderbird also has one of the main weaknesses of any GUI program: It's slow. If you get up to 60 eMails each day which you not only have to read but also answer, you'll be happy to have a mail- and news-client that lets you keep your handy on the keyboard instead of making one had jump between the keyboard and the mouse all the time. Since I moved to Unix (it was Linux back then), I have always used textbased mail- and news-clients. I started off with elm and tin. Unlike many others, I didn't really have a problem moving on to Mutt. Today I prefer slrn over tin, but at university I still use tin. Both are fast and easy to use. I just like the split screen while reading, because then I can see the thread as well as the current article at the same time. Thank you so much! No problem. Always here to help. :-) Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is anybody here running Pidgin (under FreeBSD)?
Hi there again, peeps! Since I still can't get Pidgin to run on this box and it seems that nobody had any advice for me, I have decided to go at this step by step. I hope you can bear with me on this one. BTW. The note on the subject, running Pidgin under FreeBSD, is there because not all people on this list actually don't use FreeBSD for everything. :-) If there is someone who runs Pidgin under FreeBSD behind a router and is willing to help me, would you please do the following: - run Pidgin from a console or Xterm (XServer must be running) with the -d option. - Send the result to me. Pidgin does not share any sensitive data in this mode apart from you IPs, which you can change like this: 192.168.x.x. If you do this, make sure that I can still distinguisch the private and public IPs. - Let me know how you installed Pidgin (from the ports or with pkg_add). - Tell me what Version of Pidgin this is. You might find a post from me on this list, where I described what I am looking for. Don't worry about that, I just need information because at the moment I can't do much more than guess what the Problem is. To give you a short version... I noticed this in my log: (00:59:33) stun: using server (00:59:33) nat-pmp: found a default gateway (00:59:33) nat-pmp: Attempting to retrieve the public ip address for the NAT device at: 192.168.x.x (00:59:33) nat-pmp: Timeout: 0s 25us Now, IFAIK sofar only Apple has a working implentation of nat-pmp. A friend of mine runs Pidgin under WinXP behind a similar router as mine, has no trouble with that and doesn't get anthing about nat-pmp in his log. His Pidgin retrieves the needed Information var UPnP. This is activated on my router too (status reports only) but still I think that an IM soft should work without. Never mind about that now. Just send me the info and I'll try to make heads or tails of it. Thanks and regards! Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confusion on SSH and PAM
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:56:22 +0400 (GST) Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Any ideas or nudges in the right direction as to why this is happening? Looks like I've understood the interaction between SSH and PAM wrong here, so would appreciate some enlightenment. I'm not sure if I can offer any enlightenment here, but you can have my 2 cents. :-) When you authenticate yourself with you private key, everything works as you expect. If I understand you correctly, you are confused as to why you still get prompted for a password when you don't supply a key and then even the right password doesn't get you in. This is one of these things with computer logic. :-) You have told the sshd that a root login vai PAM is not ok, only via private key. PAM is activated just the same (and probably works for other users). The login follows a certain order... 1 Ask for username 2 Did we get a key? If not, goto 5 3 Is the key ok? If not, goto 5 4 Let user login, exit authentification 5 Is PAM globally on? If not exit 6 Ask for password 7 Is the password ok? If not goto 6 max 2 times, after that exit 8 Let user login, exit I know, crappy algorithem that remindes of BASIC a bit. In this case it should do the job, though. Please forget that the word goto exists in other languages too (even Java). :-) Your problem seems to be from steps 5 to 7. After the authentification by key fails, the sshd just goes to the next step, which is the password. For security reasons, the communication inside is a bit brief. PAM only gets the answer not authenticated and because the reason isn't an issue, the user is asked for the password again. The point is that the sshd just refuses your login each time, because a password just isn't enough. I have already made up a little something to put this situation into another context (access to an underground club for parties) to maybe make it a little clearer but I think the world has had quite enough of my little stories aready. :-) Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:41:53 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Yeah I also like text based MUAs such as mutt or pine. Sometimes I get HTML messages from my co-workers who use webmail. I must read those HTML messages for my work, study. That's why I need windows-like MUAs, not text based MUAs. Is there any other best MUA? I _really_ feel thirsty for best MUA.. anytime.. If you can live without the pretty pictures, you can configure Mutt to use an external browser like lynx or links to display HTML. Otherwise, you could give Claws a closer look. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:36:24 -0400 DAve wrote: First item, ignore the qmail haters. We run qmail quite successfully and find it very powerful, very secure, and well designed. I will not go into a point by point debate. Goo idea! Lets also ignore all Windows haters. I'm sure that plenty of people will say that Windows is fast, secure and without bugs. :-) No, I don't want to start a fight here. I admit, that I don't like qmail and I *have* used it for years. I never hat security problems with it either and what made me think about a different MTA was the fact that qmail on ReiserFS was undefined - and I lost mail. The bad performance result was something found by accident. But that wouldn't make any diff on a private site. Second item, plesk is a very bad way to run qmail. You will get *no* help on the qmail list if you use the install on plesk. It is a modified version of qmail and the modifications are closed door, at least that is my understanding. So if you do not have an excellent understanding of Unix, and above average understanding of email, and good troubleshooting skills, you are in for a very rocky ride. Well, as you say, the Plesk version of qmail sucks (on which we agree) and therefore administration should bei done without Plesk (we agree on that too) then the OP might as well stay with Postfix and just dump Plesk. Are we in agreement? :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The best way to keep the system clean?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:17:42 +0800 ronggui wrote: My problem, many times I install some software from ports, it install the dependency software. Then after some time, I find that software isn't what I want, and deinstall it. At this point, the dependency software isn't necessary as well. Is there a way to clean them automatically, like the apt-get autoremove in the Ubuntu system. pkg_cutleaves was mentioned here a few times. I just want to tell you, why I think it's the best idea: Automatically deinstalling stuff can leave a mess. Sometimes you deinstall too much, because one of the other ports your application depended on is also needed by others. Think about what could happen if you deinstalled gtk. pkg_cutleaves lets you go through the list of installed stuff and asks if you wish to remove each item. All packages shown are leaves, which means they are not required by any other program. After deinstalling a few leaves, you will get new leaves which you can deinstall. And the related general question is, what's the best way to keep my system clean? Thanks. Define clean. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:18:53 +0200 Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: The qmail-configuration can be read an evaluated *without* a parser. Excuse my spelling in the last message! :-) I corrected it in this quote. Sorry, but that's BS (IMHO). Don't tell me, tell Dan Berstein (happy hunting): http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html Observe point 5. Any program interpreting some form of input is called a parser, and the only distinction is the algorithm you need, i.e. whether you need a full-blown stack-machine to interpret the input (think of recursive declarations), or not. [...] I know what the Postfix configuration looks like, I've been over it a countless number of times. I know it is simple, even to parse, but there is still no real comparision to qmail's configuration. qmail has several settings that come one setting per file. IIRC the other settings go one per line, no comments, no spaces, no quotation marks. I'm not saying the Postfix configuration is not as good or even complex. qmail's configuration is just easier to read and write if both are done be an automation, rather than a human. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:31:34 -0500 Eric wrote: Don't tell me, tell Dan Berstein (happy hunting): http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html Observe point 5. DJB has not honored at least one vulnerability in qmail. read the link i posted early in this thread and decide for yourself. theres a word for people who say one thing and do another... Why do you think I put the happy hunting there? Didn't travel quite as sarcastic as the smile on my face when I wrote it. :-) I don't like qmail much and I certainly don't like DJB's attitude in many cases. He had a few good ideas however and it certainly is not my part to try and take that away from him. Besides, I wasn't trying to prove anything about qmail being good or bad but just something about the configuration and the parsing. I haven't looked at qmail in years. Funny that the Version is still the same as when I used it (that could well be 10 years ago). Today I don't really care if qmail is secure. That would be a typical case of SEP. :-) Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Getting pidgin(1) to run...
Hi there people! I may be posting this question (which is rather lengthy, I know) on the sparc64 mailing list too, as it might be an issue with this architecture. Please don't complain, just answer where you think the answer belongs. I know that running FreeBSD on a Sun is a rather exotic choice but I like FreeBSD and didn't want to install SunOS (Solaris). This is an Ultra 60 with 2GB RAM and two 74GB SCA-HDs, running 6.2-RELEASE-p7). Everything else is NOT an issue as this machine has no monitor, keyboard or mouse but is accessed only over the Network (yes, X and esd too). Since the result has to work with both WinXP and another FreeBSD-box, I am currenty experimenting with Xming. I don't however think that this is relevant, just giving the info in case I missed something. This constellation works fine so far. I can run all of KDE or single apps without KDE (like the konqueror). Even xmms works fine - including sound and the OpenGL visualisation, although that's a little bumpy over the network. :-) Because the binary packages for sparc64 are always out of date, I compiled Pidgin (2.2.0) myself using the ports. Here are the options I used: [X] SILC Secure Internet Live Conferencing support [X] GNUTLS GNUTLS encryption support [X] NSSMozilla NSS encryption support [X] SASL Cyrus SASL support (for jabberd) [X] DBUS Enable DBUS bindings [X] PERL Perl scripting [X] BONJOUREnable mDNS support [ ] SAMETIME Enable Sametime client support [ ] TCLTK Tcl/Tk scripting [X] GTKSPELL Spell checking support [X] GSTREAMER Use GStreamer for playing sounds [X] CAPEnable Contact Availability Prediction plugin After a while [ a few hours :-) ] the computer was done. Starting Pidgin from KDE resulted in it being shown in the task bar at the bottom for about 20 seconds and after that it just disappears. It could however still be found with ps ax. Pidgin does *not* minimize itself into the tray. It just disappears. So I decided to start it from the console. It started and kept running, just no window on the server ever appeared for it. ctrl-c did terminate it. Note that in this case I didn't start KDE or any other X application for that matter. I just started Pidgin and had Xming listening on another computer. Since that didn't get me anywhere, I started Pidgin with the -d option. The last three lines you get to see are these (I cut out the time): nat-pmp: found a default gateway nat-pmp: Attempting to retrieve the public ip address for the NAT device at: 192.168.x.x nat-pmp: Timeout: 0s 25us Pidgin can still be terminated using ctrl-c. Since I didn't want to bombard the list with the log, I put it here: http://dresden.icerats.de/specials/pidgin-debug.txt I inserted the line after the ctrl-c. My router is an AVM Fritz! Box Fon 5012. I have not opened any ports for any IM (yet) - at least not for this machine. Because of the last message I see when starting it with -d, I guess that it could be a router problem - I consider UPnP to be evil and therefore it is off. A friend of mine however also uses Pidgin (under Windows) behind a similar router without any problems. nat-pmp could be the problem, as I am not aware of anyone other than Apple having a working implementation of this. So I used kdump(1) to find out what is going on. I don't want to post the whole file here (it is rather long). But a few things I did notice... 90378 dbus-daemon RET read 144/0x90 90378 dbus-daemon CALL read(0xb,0x2a1000,0x800) 90378 dbus-daemon RET read -1 errno 35 Resource temporarily unavailable 90378 dbus-daemon CALL gettimeofday(0x7fde240,0) 90378 dbus-daemon RET gettimeofday 0 90378 dbus-daemon CALL poll(0x7fde540,0x3,0) 90378 dbus-daemon RET poll 0 90378 dbus-daemon CALL poll(0x282000,0x3,0) 90378 dbus-daemon RET poll 0 90378 dbus-daemon CALL poll(0x282000,0x4,0x) 90373 pidgin CALL setitimer(0x2,0x7fdd0d0,0) 90373 pidgin RET setitimer 0 90373 pidgin CALL close(0x3) 90373 pidgin RET close 0 90373 pidgin CALL close(0x4) 90373 pidgin RET close 0 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0,0x3,0) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 6 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0,0x4,0x2) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 0 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x1,0x3,0) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 2 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x1,0x4,0x2) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 0 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x2,0x3,0) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 2 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x2,0x4,0x2) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 0 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x6,0x3,0) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 6 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x6,0x4,0x2) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 0 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x7,0x3,0) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 6 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x7,0x4,0x2) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 0 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x8,0x3,0) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 6 90373 pidgin CALL fcntl(0x8,0x4,0x2) 90373 pidgin RET fcntl 0 90373
Re: OpenOffice problems
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:09:12 +0200 (CEST) Marco Beishuizen wrote: I don't want openoffice to use this library but it seems that openoffice needs it for something. I only upgraded the port and that whole process went ok. How did you do that? Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome FreeBSD from putty
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:35:00 -0700 Timothy McGee wrote: Any way of running Gnome or Firefox from putty remotely? What's the best way to test for the displays setup, etc? I'm not too sure, what you are trying to do here. If you want to run a program or an entire desktop on one computer and have the display on another computer, that isn't all that difficult. Look at this text: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-X-Apps.html Unlike the others in this thread, I recommend the use Xming as the Server. Cygwin is not really being maintained anymore. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:47:09 +0200 Lotfi kecir wrote: hello. i'm newbbie in Unix especially in in FreeBSD. Recently i have setup one mail server with postfix-dovecot and i would like to migrate it to Qmail server. but i didn't know how to do it. Someone can give help me? Why in heaven's name would *anyone* want to do that? I have been using Postfix for years now and before that I used qmail - when it was new. qmail sucked *bigtime*! It was slow, picky about the filesystem it worked on (ReiserFS cause very interresting results), a license that doesn't deserve the name and one mistake in the configuration didn't cause an error message but instead sent incoming mail directly to the happy bit grounds. qmail has not really been maintained by the Author over the last few years and although it is distributed in source, changes to it are not allowed, if you plan to distribute the result. This means that in order for qmail to still work today, there is an insane amount of patches out there that have to be applied. IMHO using qmail instead of Postfix is a gigantic step right back into the stone age. Say hello to the dinos for me! :-) Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:29:30 +0200 Lotfi kecir wrote: to give answer to your answer: i rent a dedicated server (Fedora 6) witch has qmail installed on. and in my old Server witch is in our office turn has Postfix. The new sever has as Admin panel Plesk. I already create all email acounts and now i'm looking to transfert all my user acount mailboxes. I hope (for your sake) that the rented server is not only dedicated but also *managed*! If it isn't you will sooner or later have to leave Plesk anyway and do the odd thing or another on foot. It might have been a good idea to look at what's installed on a dediserver before signing the contract. But it isn't my job to lecture you on that. BTW: This isn't a FreeBSD issue. You will probably have more luck finding someone who can help you in one of the newsgroups with this subject. and i don't have any idea to do it. There isn't really a routine to migrate from Postfix to qmail. This is partly because noone usually wants to do it and partly because the whole thing is quite complex. It would IMHO be something for an advanced user or a sysadmin. You could however talk to your ISP where you hired the server. They will usually (for a price) adapt the installation for you - if this isn't a managed server. So you could ask them to change the MTA for you. If you have enough experience, you can also do it yourself. Just remember that you *will* have downtime because of this. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:47:06 +0200 Johan Andersson wrote: The best MTA is? exim? Not that this is really a subject for this list, I don't really agree. We did some studies on several MTAs a while back and found out (quite by accident) that Exim has some real performance issues. I personally don't really like the monolithic form of Exim and Sendmail, but Exim seems to be pretty secure just the same. However, it was impossible for *any* other MTA to get even close to the performance that Postfix offered on the same basis (OS and Hardware). Every MTA has a weakness, just because a strength is often exclusive and cannot be combined with a different strength. I have been happy with Postfix for years now. And IMHO, all ratings about what is better are just about as useless as OS-wars. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: migrate from postfix to qmail
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:13:58 +0100 Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Yeah right. I don't have hands-on experience with any MTA other than Postfix, but I never read a good thing about qmail. Thing is, I work for a design company - we have 3 VPSs two using Plesk and another on extend, I noticed that behind the scenes it is Qmail for all of them. How come it is used by these control panels when it is so poor? Just a small whine from me :) That question is pretty easy to answer: The qmail-configuration can be read an evaluated *without* a parcer. This makes it easy to read and write the configuration and it also reduces the risk of errors. If you created a configuration tool for an MTA you'd be looking for something that will interact well with you tool and probably you wouldn't look to carefully how well that program does its job as an MTA. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
trouble compiling some ports
Hello Folks! Currently I am setting up a new computer (Sun U60) with FreeBSD and I am in serious guano. :-/ I am currently running 6.2-p6, of course with the ports up to date. Normally the ports would not be the install method of choice since the processors of this machine are relatively slow and compiling of slightly bigger projects seems to take forever - especially since most ports won't compile with multipal jobs. However, probably because of the fact that all UltraSPARC CPUs that FreeBSD supports are this slow and AFAIK cross-plattform-compiling is not supported (yet), many of the packages are really ancient. So if you want up to date software, you have to use the ports. First I tried to install portupgrade. That however failed with an error message that lets me think, there is still some confusion because this port was moved from sysutils/ to ports-mgmt/.[1,7] This suspicion is hardened by the fact that ruby won't compile when it is built as a dependency of portupgrade, however it *does* compile and install without any complications if this is done directly from the /usr/ports/lang/ruby18/ directory. Well, since that didn't work I decided to get busy on the MTA. I don't much like Sendmail (although I had some thoughts about getting re- aquainted) and Postfix is a little more what I want. Postfix requires Perl 5.8 to work and if that isn't installed, the Postfix port does that for me. Because I like to at least look at the options of each port before I build and install anything, I decided to install Perl 5.8 on foot (from the port of course). But that too refused to work. The build stops with an error code 1 while still saying that everything is ok[2]. To verify what happened, the port offers a make test which I ran. While this is running it spits out several messages like this one: lib/Test/Simple/t/threads.skipping test on this platform where I have to admit that I don't understand why these specific test do not apply to my plattform. There are some that I understand (like some tests for Win32), but not all of them. Well I guess the programmer knew what he/she was doing and left it at that. make test also spits out three error messages[3,4,5] which I haven't included in the correct order, I'm afraid. The end of the test script shows an error message[6] which doesn't really make me feel confident about installing what I've just built. Note #1: You may find that in the messages shown below, Perl was compiled with the -mcpu option which tends to break some ports (or even make buildworld). I know about this and have tried several very conservative options, down to only -O -pipe. I have also tried not only p6 but also the current -STABLE, compiled with different compiler-options - which I might say is *very* ball-busting on such a slow machine. Note #2: Someone in a German newsgroup told me that this problem (Perl won't compile) seems to apply to AMD64 as well. This would *really* surprise me as Perl is widely used and I didn't find any reports of this problem anywhere else. Note #3: The error message noted in [3] seems a bit more that a coincidence: returned, 1000 expected. There were thoughts about big-/little-endian (SPARC is big-endian) problems but also about a bug in gcc's data-types. Can anyone help? Regards, Chris [1] last lines from portupgrade's build /usr/local/bin/ruby18 -p -e 'sub %r:/usr/local:, /usr/local' ports.rb .build/ports.rb /usr/local/bin/ruby18 -wc portsdb.rb Syntax OK /usr/local/bin/ruby18 -p -e 'sub %r:/usr/local:, /usr/local' portsdb.rb .build/portsdb.rb === man (all) Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/work/pkgtools-2.3.1/man gzip -cn pkg_deinstall.1 pkg_deinstall.1.gz gzip -cn pkg_fetch.1 pkg_fetch.1.gz gzip -cn pkg_glob.1 pkg_glob.1.gz gzip -cn pkg_sort.1 pkg_sort.1.gz gzip -cn pkgdb.1 pkgdb.1.gz gzip -cn portcvsweb.1 portcvsweb.1.gz gzip -cn portsclean.1 portsclean.1.gz gzip -cn portsdb.1 portsdb.1.gz gzip -cn portupgrade.1 portupgrade.1.gz gzip -cn portversion.1 portversion.1.gz gzip -cn pkgtools.conf.5 pkgtools.conf.5.gz === misc (all) === misc/bash (all) Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/work/pkgtools-2.3.1/misc/bash === misc/tcsh (all) Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/work/pkgtools-2.3.1/misc/tcsh === misc/zsh (all) Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/work/pkgtools-2.3.1/misc/zsh [2] End of the Perl 5.8 build Making threads::shared (dynamic) Writing Makefile for threads::shared cp shared.pm ../../../lib/threads/shared.pm ../../../miniperl -I../../../lib -I../../../lib ../../../lib/ExtUtils/xsubpp -typemap ../../../lib/ExtUtils/typemap -typemap typemap shared.xs shared.xsc mv
Re: trouble compiling some ports
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:47:08 -0500 Derek Ragona wrote: I am grateful for your feedback, but please try to avoid fullquotes and only quote the part you are directly refering to. That makes things a lot shorter and easier to read. And avoids long scrolling. :-) I had similar problems on one server that had an old ports tree then updated ports. I ended up having to completely delete and re-download the entire ports tree, and manually remove portupgrade and portmanager and reinstall them. Well, in this case the ports *were* completely fresh from the cvs-tree. I missed installing them via ftp and so csup created them for me. I have however until today never had any problems with updating ports before. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compiling ports with more than one job
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:44:16 -0600 Josh Paetzel wrote: The issues with the config screen sounds like a bug, but one that is unlikely to get fixed any time soon. You can avoid it by doing a make config-recursive before building the port, but you're still going to run in to the problem that ports are not guarranteed to by -jX safe, some will work, some won't, and there's no way of knowing without trying it. In general you can save yourself a lot of headaches by not trying in the first place. I don't have a headache because the port didn't compile, but because compiling without -jX is *really* slow. SPARC CPUs are just slow (by today's standards). Therefore the wish to use all of them (in my case both) is a lot bigger than it would be for someone with an AMD64 5000+ to use both cores. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compiling ports with more than one job
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:07:24 -0500 Lowell Gilbert wrote: Exactly right. However, you can get some parallel building by doing more than one single-threaded build at the same time. This leads to some danger of corrupting the database, though, so it's not for the squeamish. I know that portupgrade uses locking to control those problems, and I suspect some of the other port-management ports probably have similar capabilities. That could actually lead to more problems than a port that doesn't work with -jX. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compiling ports with more than one job
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:37:33 + RW wrote: There are two problems here. The first is that not all of the underlying builds support this. The second is that we are using Make as our ports scripting language - I'm guessing that in Gentoo no-one expects portage itself to be parallel. I don't actually *expect* anything. :-) I'm not sure why you think that Gentoo should be an exeption here, but that won't hold up forever - on any OS. It seems that we have reached a point where faster CPUs cannot be made by just increasing the clock. All current CPUs (from Intel and AMD) have two cores and ones with four cores are almost on the market. There are CPUs in other areas with even more cores in use today. This means that at least in the near future just about every OS must somehow work with more than one CPU since parallel computing seems to be the future. This will create several new challenges. Microsoft will lose money because until now they charged money for their OS if the customer wanted more than one CPU supported. :-) But others will have to adapt too. FreeBSD and Gentoo will have to get the compiling into order so it works parallel. NetBSD mut get SMP running properly at all. I know that SMP wasn't considered too important in the past as only servers had more than one CPU. But the times are changing, SMP is coming bigtime and the software must be made to meet the demands of the hardware. Really it's only the build stage that matters. What you might try is setting the MAKE_ARGS variable, which passes extra arguments to gmake during build and install. If a port makefile sets it explicitly you'll be out of luck, but I think most either don't set it, or use +=. So you mean a MAKE_ARGS= -j 4 would help? Probably you would want to set it conditionally in make.conf, so you can exclude any problematical ports. What do you mean with that? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defrag
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:50:44 -0700 Steve Franks wrote: Excellent! Never had that one answered. I've gone down the typical road of being an MS booster (It doesn't take 10 hours to set up and configure) to experiencing glee when I find yet another way FBSD kicks the crap out of MS. Why? Because I've grown up, and learned that 2 hours time spent *reading* and configuring is way better than 2 days time spent when the system crashes in the middle of the workweek - bottom line, BSD is cheaper before, during, and after installation. Probably by a factor of 10 for me over the last 10 years. As I write this, I'm on a MS laptop that has degraded to the point where any disk acess takes 10 seconds before the display updates (but not from the shell - so not a defrag issue, just a screwed registry or something). I used to reinstall my entire MS server every 6 months, on average... Hence the three Rs of MS support. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defrag
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:39:05 -0500 Jerry McAllister wrote: Well, it would do some, but for the greatest effect, you would need: dump + rm -rf * + restore That would get it all. Of course, I should have re-emphasized that this is not needed. You will not improve performance. Its only value might be to exercise every used file block on the filesystem to make sure it is still readable. And for that you don't need to nuke and rewrite things. You could of try changing the above command into 'rm -rfP *'. That would make sure everything on your file system is still readable. And it would give you a lot of time to think about it. :-) Just doing the backup (which you should do anyway) will read up all used file space (except what you might have marked as nodump). Actually, that way you won't get every sector on the drive - not unless the drive is full to the brim anyway. If you really just want to check the drive, use smartctl -t long /dev/whatever You could also try dd if=/dev/whatever of=/dev/null bs=1m The idea with the backup isn't a bad one either. Cause if your drive goes up in flames, you don't really care. You still have your data. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defrag
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:12:25 -0500 Jerry McAllister wrote: On the other hand, doing all this either way wouldn't make any difference in performance for file access in a running system because so-called fragmentation is not an issue in the UNIX file system - except in the small possibility that it might make a bit of difference in a file system filled to capacity, well in to the reserve where non-root processes are not allowed to write anyway. I don't know just how close to absolutely full you have to get to see any difference, but it is beyond what users would normally get to. You do know that you can use 'tunefs -m 0'? This will in fact cause fragmentation to happen - even on UFS2! UFS2 has methods of avoiding fragmentation that work quite well but it is not a 'magical' file system, which only means that every gain comes with a price. In this case the price is 10-15% of the HD's space. BTW. I have used tunefs to utilize all of my space on some drives. However, these drive contain only static information that has to be accessed often and then fast. That is the reason why it is on a drive at all. If you know what you are doing then this option is ok. Otherwise, the use will run into trouble when the drive fills up and the information stored on it is not static. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defrag
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:56:02 +0100 Ivan Voras wrote: For what it's worth, this has been Microsoft's official position since NTFS became mainstream. As usual, it's not worth much if it come from Microsoft... Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defrag
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:21:57 -0500 Bill Moran wrote: But this also makes it _easy_ for the filesystem to avoid causing the type of fragmentation that _does_ degrade performance. For example, when the first block is on track 10, then the next block is on track 20, then we're back to track 10 again, then over to track 35 ... etc, etc Fragmentation *this* bad doesn't happen on MS systems either. Although the systems are much more in danger of creating a big mess on the drive, there is a certain method included to reduce this, like only allowing the track numbers to either rise or fall (possibly per file access) but not back and forth over the drive. I can remember experimenting on my Commodore 64 (can anyone remember that ol' thing?) and the floppy drive. I stored a file all over the disc, one sector per track. The idea was to find out how much time it actually took to load a file fragmented like this - and made a really cool loading sound as well, especially if you had a floppy speeder like dolphin DOS. :-) I wanted to actually cause the drive to go from track 1 to 40 and then back again while loading a single file. But that didn't work. So if I started on track a and I am now on track c, then jumping to track b (with abc) resulted in an error from the drive. Mind you, this was not a load command that I programmed. It's just the way the file was allocated on the disc. A certain logic to how files are saved on discs (no matter if hard or floppy) has been around for a fair while. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defrag
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:56:30 +0100 Ivan Voras wrote: UFS fragmentation refers to dividing blocks (e.g. 16KB in size) into block fragments (e.g. 2KB in size) that can be allocated separately in special circumstances (which all boil down to: at the end of files). This is done to lessen the effect of internal fragmentation. No, to lessen the loss of disc space. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: defrag
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:14:07 +0100 Ivan Voras wrote: As you said, HFS(+) is not a native unix file system, but maybe someone will know about it. All I know about is that HFS+ is a journaling file system and that it defragments (in the Windows sense) files smaller than certain size (20MB?) on the fly. This may be completely OT here, but I gotta ask: Is Reiser a native Unix FS? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: test
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:26:28 -0800 Bill Campbell wrote: Test Messages The lists freebsd-test, ..., ... have been created for test messages. Please use only these test lists for test messages. Do not send test messages to any of the normal lists. If you do send test messages, at least put some humour in them :-). It would once again appear that common sense isn't all that common... Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
compiling ports with more than one job
Good morning[1], folks! I am currently setting up a Sun U60 with FreeBSD. A few amount of apps will be installed on it, when I'm through with it. And that is where it gets a little frustrating. The packages for SPARC64 aren't really up to date. That is why using them isn't really an option. Besides, some programs actually get a real boost if they are compiled with an -mcpu flag, which probably isn't set when the packages are compiled. So, I'm down to installing them over the ports collection. That isn't bad in itself. But even a U60 isn't really a fast machine and if you compile bigger collections (like x.org, kde, firefox etc.) you can watch yourself aging while the machine is at it. It would be a great help if I could really use both CPUs in this machine. But somehow that doesn't work. I have observed two things so far (in general): Some ports (like mc) have a menu for choosing the compile options. If I try to make one of those with more than one job (make -j 2) I can't hit any of the boxes on the list of options or even hit the ok button. It would seem that make went on to the next job without actually waiting for the input. The same background but with a slightly different effect is also true for ports without a menu. I couldn't make xorg with more than one job because make just ran on without waiting for the required things to be there and stopped with a no such file or directory. That is quite a drag as on UltraSPARC II CPUs compiling isn't much fun even if you use all the CPU-power there is. Normally you'd think that a meta-port like xorg just hast to be compiled step by step. However, a far more complex system (make -j 4 buildworld) works just fine. Am I too thick to get the point here or is it really true that the ports in general will only compile correctly one job at a time? Regards Chris [1] It is where I live. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:46:08 -0500 DAve wrote: Or am I missing the issue here? Not at all, I am thinking my next staff meeting I am going to propose just that solution. Now it might be that I think about a few things a little 'differently' but as far as I can remember running a Unix box (which one that *only* runs a Unix-like OS) on UTC is the usual default and i also recomended as such. I am actually a little surprised that there are whole server-farms out there (stimm) running on local time. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:18:39 -0800 Bill Campbell wrote: Or am I missing the issue here? I think the issue is how localtime displays dates. This whole ``problem'' is a typical example of brainless politicians (but I repeat myself) doing things that cause far more problems then they ostensibly solve. This is geting a little OT here, but could someone explain this to me please? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:55:05 -0500 DAve wrote: I noticed Yahoo switched to GMT. Is anyone else running all their servers on GMT? Actually, all of my Unix Boxes have been running UTC as far as I can remember. :-) Or am I missing the issue here? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiler Flags for SPARC64
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:45:51 -0500 Kris Kennaway wrote: Has anyone got any ideas on how to go on with this? You'll have to look at the compiler spec and how it is bootstrapped. That could become quite a project. FWIW, I don't think there are any secret flags you can set to improve the compiler targetting, as the defaults are already appropriate. These are not 'secret' flags: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.6/gcc/SPARC-Options.html#SPARC-Options Also look a this: http://www.osnews.com/story.php/6136/SPARC-Optimizations-With-GCC/page1 gcc by default creates v7 code which is a fair bit slower on a v9 CPU than v9 code. And I can't find anything that suggests that FreeBSD has any default flags that take this into account. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Remote access to config FreeBSD server
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:26:02 -0800 (PST) satimis wrote: I'm going to install the captioned OS as server, web/mail/database etc., for test purpose and without X. I'm prepared to connect a workstation for fine tuning the server. Can I use a Linux workstation to do the job because I have no FreeBSD workstation here? OR I must run a FreeBSD workstation. If YES, pls advise where can I find relevent steps to do the job. I'll have SSH enabled on the server. I am not quite sure what your problem is here. You can use any ssh-client on any OS when connecting to the ssh-server of you FreeBSD box. So Linux is fine, but Windows would also be, if you use a real ssh-client for that like PuTTY. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compiler Flags for SPARC64
Hello everybody out there! Please excuse my posting this question again on this list, but the last post on the freebsd-sparc64 didn't help much. There isn't really much traffic on that list. Assuming that gcc when run on sparc64 produces v7 code (for sun4/4c) by default, I went about trying to improve that as v7 code is known to be a fair bit slower as v9 (sun4u) code. The improvement can be as much as 100% for some apps like OpenSSL or OpenSSH. I went about trying some Compiler flags. -mcpu=ultrasparc and -mcpu=v9 both came into mind. However this lead to several problems of programs not compiling anymore. Most notably was the failure of 'make buildworld'. When gcc is told to produce v9 code, it doesn't produce 64bit code (you have to set -m64 for that), it just uses a few additional commands the CPU knows, which should make the resulting code faster but no longer compatible with older CPUs (non-UltraSPARC). This means that there shouldn't be any problem with pointers that are now strange to the code. But even if I explicitly set the -m32 flag, I still can't make the world. I discussed this in a German newsgroup, where someone told me that the CPU is set to v9 by default on FreeBSD, as it only supports SPARC64 and not SPARC32. Although this assumption makes sense, I couldn't find any evidence to back it up. While some compiler flags are set by default on some platforms for optimization for that particular CPU, there doesn't seem to be anything set for sparc64. Additionaly, if the mcpu were really set to ultrasparc or v9, then setting it again shouldn't cause buildworld to stop with the error I don't know what platform this is. Has anyone got any ideas on how to go on with this? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more than 7 partitions on a SCSI-drive
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:54:40 -0900 Jeff Mohler wrote: One polite request: Would you please quote properly? I know this is not the usenet, but quoting serves a purpose and should make reading you question/comment easier. If there is a fundamental reason why we still partition things like we only have 10, 20, or 40Mb RLL. or slightly larger ESDI drives from back in the day..im willing to learn. In the good ol' days HDs weren't divided up into many partitions. They were usually too small to be of much good then. That actually began when the space that single HDs had became bigger and therefore single HDs could function almost as two or three on the same system. If an error on a filesystem accurs that can take down the entire system if all you have is /. The idea is to limit the amount of damage that can be done to a system by dividing the data up intelligently. Usually most write actions are on /tmp and /var. So if the power goes down before you can shut down the system cleanly, the chances are high that you will have errors on these file systems. If they are all on / then that's bad news. But think about what would happen if data in /tmp ist lost because of a filesystem error. Exactly: nobody cares! Different partitions also have the advantage that they can be mounted with different options, have different block sizes, more or less inodes or can be encrypted. Here are a few ideas as to why I divide my drives up, including some of the reasons why I divided the drives up the way I showed. / ist usually mounted with synchronous writing only (and not soft updates). That is usually relatively slow but doesn't matter on /. You don't want to mess up this filesystem or you could end up not being able to start the system at all. It's best to keep this filesystem small. /usr contains all the programs files, usually the ports and source tree too. Writing to this filesystem isn't that frequent but fast access is definately wanted. /tmp and /var contain quickly changing, usually not too important data. Fast access is important and writing is very frequent. If the system crashes or the filesystems are not unmounted cleanly you usually have errors on these filesystems. A swap partition is there for obvious reasons. :-) /var/spool/news used to contain a lot of files (one file per article) and required more inodes than the other filesystems. This can apply today aswell if you choose byfile storage of news. /home is useful to stop the users filling up /usr, which can be quite a pain. I know this could also be done by using disc quota. /home/christian is mirrored and encrypted as I keep all my personal stuff on there like (e)mail, bank stuff and things from work. But also personal things like my personal diary. I don't want to encrypt all my system as that slows down access dramatically. And it's completely useless waisting CPU-cycles on decrypting the executables of KDE, Firefox and OO. /usr/obj can be put in a seperate filesystem to increase performance. The information in there isn't too important so if anything gets lost because of a power out while doing a make buildworld, just erase it and start over. The performance can be increased if the HDs are the bottleneck. The idea is to read from one drive containing /usr/src and writing to another containing /usr/obj. This partition can be optimized for fast writes rather than safety. I have mounted this filesystem with async. Is my concept a little clearer now? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more than 7 partitions on a SCSI-drive
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:53:20 -0800 Garrett Cooper wrote: One good reason I can think of is to partition (not the tech definition but the traditional definition, to divide) filesystems such that if one person fills up /, it won't cause a program that needs to write to /var or /tmp problems, which in the case of /var can bring down entire systems and infrastructures (happened before where I was working as IT when a CUPS server ran out of space on /var). That is a good point. Other than that.. not really sure. Maybe some of the older guard on the list know why. Actually, you don't really have to be that old to understand the reasons. They still apply today as they did back then. I know the main reason that speaks against the concept - I was a young too you know. :-) It's the reluctance of deciding how much space to allocate to a certain system. What happens if I need more in /usr and I have given /var too much. If you only have one big filesystem / you don't have *this* problem, as the amount of space you have can be shifted freely according to the current need. But in following this concept you also buy in a few other problems. Remember that one of the foundations of Unix is security and the idea that one user can't screw up the system for all others. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more than 7 partitions on a SCSI-drive
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:42:36 -0600 Doug Poland wrote: # DeviceMountpoint FStype OptionsDumpPass# /dev/da0s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/da0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 ^^ Where did you get to create slices. When I installed this system (Sun U60) sysinstall didn't offer the possibility of creating a slice at all. The only devices of this sort that I can create are da0x and da1x - no 's'! Is this due to the SPARC64 plattform or did I miss something? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more than 7 partitions on a SCSI-drive
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:58:18 -0800 Garrett Cooper wrote: Why create so many partitions? You can use slices to your benefit and you wouldn't use up your allocatable partitions on the disk's MBR. The point is that I wasn't given the chance to create any slices. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc problems when upgrading to FBSD 6.2
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:15:24 +0100 (CET) Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: My question is what I messed up? Was this something during mergemaster phase? If not, then what else could have gone wrong? Yes, you probably messed up there. Mergemaster shows you - I'll call them suggestions - for the config files. Look at them and look at what the changes would be. '+' means this line will be added, '-' means this line will be removed, using your current config as reference. Installing all the new config files without even looking at them can be ugly. I didn't watch out once an lost groups, users and a few other things. It is usually safe to just install the new versions of files that you haven't changed, but look at those files that you have changed. The 'm' stands for 'merge' which means you are presented both the old an the new version. And for each line that is different you can choose whether to stick to the old version or to adopt the new one. This way you create a completely new file that is up to date while still containing the changes you need for your system. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail server intermittent freeze
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:56:08 -0600 (CST) Rich Winkel wrote: Has anyone else seen this behavior?? What are the HDs doing? Is there swapping going on? 512 megs of RAM are not really a generous amount for this kind of work. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD challenged by Internet
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:45:27 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: That's $5K difference not $10. Thieves can get away with a lot if they steal it in small bits. So if I steal $1 from every account of New York's biggest bank they would smile and see that as a sporting achievement? Somehow I doubt that. SCNR Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Turion64 x2 vs Centrino Duo 2 which is faster for FreeBSD and KDE Desktop?
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:12:25 +0300 Abdullah Al-Marrie wrote: [broken up Xpost] I plan to buy a new notebook and will use FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE, I have 2 choices, Turion64 x2 with 2.0 GHz and Centrino Duo 2 with 2.0 GHz, but with 2 GB DDR2 ram, with the same speed of the hd 5400 RPM. So which of them will buildworld, and ports from source faster? both of them will use AC not on battery when do these stuff. I doubt that you will notice any big difference. While the AMD64 port is quite nicely tested and very swift by now, the optimizations towards Intel aren't bad either - even though this isn't true 64Bit processor. In this case the HD will probably be the bottle-neck, not being able to read and write the data quick enough to cause 100% CPU load. You would have to 'make -j 4' at least to get anywhere near 100% load (I even have to do that for 2 UltraSPARC II CPUs with 450MHz). And that really causes load on a hard drive. Just my 2 cents... Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading from 6.1 to 6.2 with custom kernel
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:29:52 -0600 Jonathan Horne wrote: Terrific waste of bandwidth. *shrug* i dont see it that way. i see it as insurance that when i build kernels for 15 machines, they are all getting the cleanest sources possible, with absolutely nothing left over from a previous build. There is no such thing as dirty sources - at least not by your definition. cvsup or the new builtin replacement replaces old files with new ones and erases obsolete ones. And there is *never* anthing left over from a previous build in /usr/src/! All the work is done in /usr/obj/ and you can erase that at any time. In fact the target cleanworld does just that. Rebuilding the source tree isn't a big deal in terms of bandwidth, but thousands of people doing that on a regular basis will drive the costs of maintaining mirrors up - even though traffic is getting cheaper with time. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does Firefox run on the SPARC64 port of FreeBSD?
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:04:00 +0100 (CET) Christian Baer wrote: Basically, it does not work on 6.1-RELEASE, so you should consider updating to 6.2-RELEASE. Bin there, done that. Was one of the first things I tried. Now running: FreeBSD sunny.rz1.convenimus.net 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Tue Jan 16 16:14:35 CET 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SUNNY sparc64 I'll do another cvsup and make a new world tonight. I'll let you know if that works. I did a cvsup last night. Wasn't really watching it, but it was over pretty quickly, so I'd say that there wasn't that much change. Anyways, this is what I have now: FreeBSD sunny.rz1.convenimus.net 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Sun Jan 21 12:52:35 CET 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SUNNY sparc64 Gotta change the name of the computer. Sunny is just too corny! :-) Not much has changed apart from the dates. And nothing has changed regarding Firefox. I completely deinstalled it - which took its sweet time. :-) And I also deinstalled Thunderbird and all of the dependencies of those two that I could find. Then I reinstalled Firefox with pkg_add -r in case there was an update in the tree. I still get that segfault, so I'm afraid someone may be looking a little longer there. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
more than 7 partitions on a SCSI-drive
Hi folkes! Is there any way to do this with FreeBSD? Background: I have to admit, that I have never actually done or even tried this with any OS whatsoever. I am running a two drive system with two mirrors on it. Because I wanted a lot of room for /usr while /usr/home ist mounted on a different partition, the second drive is filled with the two mirror partitions, /usr and a swap partition. Everything else is mounted on the first drive. That being: /, /temp, /var, /usr/obj and the second swap partition. Together with the two mirrors this means seven (in words: 7) partitions. The table looks like this: Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0a 501M 72M389M16%/ devfs 1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/dev /dev/da0d 1.9G102K1.8G 0%/tmp /dev/da1f21G2.9G 17G15%/usr /dev/da0h 6.8G742M5.5G12%/usr/obj /dev/da0e 4.8G 71M4.4G 2%/var /dev/mirror/sec1.eli9.8G7.5M9.0G 0%/usr/home /dev/mirror/sec0.eli 34G 21M 32G 0%/usr/home/christian What really sounds (and probably is) pathetic is that I have nearly 6 gigs of 'leftover' space on da0. Increasing the size of the mounted partitions isn't really useful anymore (apart from reducing the free space) as I for example probably won't be needing 2GB for /temp or more than 5GB for /var - those are the sizes I have allocated now. Making / any bigger than the current 512MB wouldn't bring any advances either. Increasing the size of the mirrors isn't an option because that would be schrinking /usr. Finding a new mount point wouldn't be a problem. I was thinking something along the lines of /usr/ports. /usr/src was an idea at first but since I want to keep that on a different physical drive than /usr/obj, the idea doesn't seem that bright anymore. But the problem is that I can't allocate another partition, not that I ran out of ideas for mount points. :-) On other machines with IDE-drives I had one slice with partitions inside and never ran into this limitation before. Is there any way to do something like that on SCSI-drives? We are talking about SPARC64 here. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh public key authentification
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:53:23 -0600 Kirk Strauser wrote: Why not? Group write is plenty enough for someone else to replace the .ssh directory with another one, so sshd checks for that. To replace it with another 700 directory owned by the user, containing a 40= file also owned by the user? That obviously isn't possible - at least not directly. I would be feasible to replace and existing ssh_config in the user's directory if this had too liberal rights and the file were located at ~, not ~/.ssh/. If the attacker got at the config-file he or she could put in a new position for the authorized_keys and thus replace the file. All very theoretical and not likely since the defaults of FreeBSD won't allow it. root must mess up for this one. Does root ever mess up? :-) I think it's more likely that the sshd only checks this one directory in case of public key authentification. If it is group- or world- writable it doesn't trust the key file. Checking the exact location and the file itself if there is any chance it could be tampered with would result in a more complex algorithm and complexity is something you try to avoid in security matters. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does Firefox run on the SPARC64 port of FreeBSD?
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:00:18 -0500 Kris Kennaway wrote: That's a number indicating a version of FreeBSD. [link to handbook] Basically, it does not work on 6.1-RELEASE, so you should consider updating to 6.2-RELEASE. Bin there, done that. Was one of the first things I tried. Now running: FreeBSD sunny.rz1.convenimus.net 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Tue Jan 16 16:14:35 CET 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SUNNY sparc64 I'll do another cvsup and make a new world tonight. I'll let you know if that works. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does Firefox run on the SPARC64 port of FreeBSD?
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:11:33 -0500 Michael Johnson wrote: I upgraded my sparc64 box today (7-CURRENT) and I do see Firefox segfaulting when starting now, I'm not sure what has changed in Firefox or FreeBSD yet, but I'll be looking for a fix in the coming days. Thanks! I'll be looking out for it! :-) Bye Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hairy Cats and mice and FreeBSD
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:03:22 -0500 Bob wrote: I Live with a very hairy, large, Main Coon cat called Tania; she sheds tons of fine hair all over the place. She is a Mouser, and proudly rids our home (a boat) of all sorts of mice. Unfortunately she also kills Computer mice! Therein lies my problem. You must be doing something wrong. :-) My family has had cats for almost as long as I can remember. We currently have three of them and they lose a lot of hair. But somehow my Logitech Mouseman Cordless (bought 1995) lasted for 11 years. It was still working last year but I go sick of replacing the batteries. :-) Anyone with experience using their optical mouse under FreeBSD? All input will be very much appreciated. Yup. I have a Copperhead. Not really el cheapo either but pricing was ok for me. The light is great for my long nightly sessions. :-) And together with a bungee I don't even mind the cable anymore! Works fine unter FreeBSD. Only problem is that by default it is recognized as a keyboard which kinda stops my other keyboard (non-USB) from working. But there's a way around that so no worries! Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hairy Cats and mice and FreeBSD
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:29:39 -0500 Robert Huff wrote:
I've used the MicroSoft Intellimouse Explorer and liked it.
Will obviously work with Windows ... but be careful: sometimes MS
puts out a new sub-generation that changes the mouse protocol just
enough to cause problems with the {Xfree86, Xorg} drivers until they
get updated.
Unfortunately one of the main goals of new versions of MS stuff is to be
incompatible with older stuff so as to throw other software off the
mark.
Regards
Chris
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Re: Live CD
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:05:26 -0500 Jeff Royle wrote: http://www.freesbie.org/ has been updated to 6.2 Release That's right! And a funny thing happened there yesterday that I wouldn't have expected: A notebook that only caused crashes when booting knoppix booted perfectly with freesbie. Ok, the GUI isn't that rich (xfce looks a lot like CDE, which we use a university, to me) but it worked! Although I really prefer FreeBSD over Linux, I didn't see that one coming! :-) Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading from 6.1 to 6.2 with custom kernel
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:25:16 -0600 Jonathan Horne wrote: usually, i: rm -rf /usr/src/* /usr/obj/* and then just cvsup a whole new set of sources. i then buildworld and buildkernel as laid out in the handbook: You do of course know that by doing that you also erase your custom kernel-config file? By default it is in /usr/src/sys/*plattform*/conf. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A little trouble starting (X-) Programs over ssh...
Good evening peeps! This probably isn't a real FreeBSD-issue itself, but it doesn't really fit any other topic that has a newsgroup out there, so please bear with me here! What I have done: I've installed an X-server (XMing) on a Windows-XP box and connect via PuTTY to a FreeBSD box (Sun U60). I have configured the X-server to allow clients to connect from the IP of the FreeBSD-box. One of the commands I want to use (for example) is 'konqueror -display winbox:0 '. Now that works fine, so it seems I got it right up to here. In case that wasn't clear so far: I am not using X-forwarding over ssh. So I don't need the ssh session to run the X-application. Since I don't always want to habe terminal windows hanging around and typing in the commands like that is a little boring, I wanted to automate that a little. I could do that by adding a command to run directly in PuTTY or by using plink. I tried both and neither got the desired results. If I use PuTTY the terminal window opens for a few seconds and then closes again. I get to see a few messages from the konqueror but the browser's window never appears on my desktop. If I use the exact command line in an open ssh session, konqueror starts and I can do what I like with it. If I close the ssh session I started the browser from nothing happens, meaning, it doesn't close. I can just go on surfing. Quite the reverse happens if I user plink to start konqueror. I get a command line window and see the messages of konqueror starting up. Unlike when using PuTTY I get a browser window and it stays too. The command line window which was the result of plink starting doesn't disappear though. It stays right where it is, maybe displaying the odd message or another from konqueror. Pressing ctrl-c closes the window (obviously there is now a clean exit somewhere) while leaving konqueror running. I have tried using the -batch and -s options and others to try to get the window to close *after* the application was actually started. With no success (so far). And this is just the part I don't get. When using PuTTY there seems to be some sort of clean exit, because otherwise the window wouldn't close. Why doesn't plink get the same clean exit? If there is a clean exit, why does it come too soon - if that is the case here? Why does the application break off its launch? What I basicly want is to start an application with a shortcut without making every one of them have two windows (one for the app itself and one for the terminal session). Is there any way of doing this? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh public key authentification
Kirk Strauser wrote: The problem was not the authorized_keys file itself, it was my home directory. I don't think so. More likely, it was the .ssh directory itself. Nope. :-) The only thing I changed was /usr/home/christian from mode 770 to mode 750. Then it worked. I'm guessing it was the write-bit for the group which lead the sshd not to trust the key. Regards, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does Firefox run on the SPARC64 port of FreeBSD?
John Nielsen wrote: I installed FreeBSD on an Ultra 5 sometime last year and I had Firefox (probably 1.5 or earlier) working just fine. Lucky you! :-) I don't have the machine up right now to tinker with, though. That would have been an interesting test. Are you running the latest -stable on the box? Yes (as of 2 days ago). If you don't get enough help on this list, you could also try the sparc64 list. It's true that some things in the sparc64 port don't get tested as much as they do in other ports of FreeBSD, but there are enough users that common programs such as Firefox should be expected to work. Apart from your post, there wasn't anything else. :-( I'll try the other mailing list. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does Firefox run on the SPARC64 port of FreeBSD?
Michael Johnson wrote: Firefox only runs on = 601101 sparc64. I am guessing that means a special revision of the UltraSPARC II processor, but I don't really know, because google gets a lot of hits, mainly explaining all sorts of soft that seems to have the same problem, but none of these hits really explain the meaning behind this. So even though this is getting a little OT: In English, please! Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ssh public key authentification
Hi peeps! This may not seem to be a real FreeBSD-issue, but I've gotten this to run on several other machines, just not my Sun running FreeBSD. To clarify this: I haven't really tried this on any other FreeBSD system recently though. I'm probably just to thick to get it right, so go ahead and insult me, if you see the flaw in my scheme. :-) The main idea behind my evil plan is to be able to log into my other computers on the net (LAN) using PuTTY on a Windows-XP box without having to type my password all the time. Don't worry about the security aspect if my key could be stolen, I have taken other measures to avoid that. The whole thing should be pretty trivial: I created a key using PuTTY, copied the public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (everthing in one line), chose the private key in PuTTY and tried to log in. All I got in response was: Server refused out key. I went through all the default settings of the sshd (and yes, I did give it a HUP, when I changed the key) and everything checked out as far as I could tell. I had the feeling that PuTTY and the key created by it were the cause, so I created a key with ssh-keygen(1). Same result. What did I miss? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh public key authentification
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:50:52 -0600 Parker Anderson wrote: Have you verified the permissions of the authorized_keys file on the server? If you have permissions set too loose (e.g. unneeded read/write permission to groups/other users), sshd may be refusing to trust that file. The directory has mode 700 and the file hast 600. Restricting these any further could result in a problem. :-) You may wish to give this a read (it mostly just covers those points): http://www.freebsddiary.org/ssh-authorized-keys.php Ok, I did that. Now it works! :-) The problem was not the authorized_keys file itself, it was my home directory. This had mode 770, which seemed fine to me as it is owned by christian:christian. Making it group-readable shouldn't pose a security problem, as only I will be in this group. However, sshd didn't see it that way, it seems. Now that I changed it to 750, all is fine. :-) Thanks für your help! Good night! Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh public key authentification
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:14:34 -0600 Noel Jones wrote: Did you copy the displayed Public key for pasting into OpenSSH from PuttyGEN, or did you paste the actual contents of the public key? Putty's on-disk format for public keys is not compatible with OpenSSH. Yeah, I got that right. sshd wants to have the key in one line, while PuTTY-keygen makes several lines out of them. The problem were the homedir permissions (see other post). Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does Firefox run on the SPARC64 port of FreeBSD?
Greetings fellow computer haters! :-) As I have already written on the STABLE mailing list, I can't seem to get Firefox to start on my Sun U60. Thunderbird works fine (as far as I can tell after two days), but Firefox just exits instantly with a segfault. I didn't get any replies from the STABLE list, but I got a few ideas from a German newsgroup. On of these ideas was that Firefox may not run at all unter FreeBSD SPARC64. The reason given was that outside of the common plattforms (i386, AMD64 and maybe alpha) much of the ports world is untestet. To be honest, I find that a little hard to believe for Firefox. If we were talking about some application that is rarely used at all, sure. But Firefox should be quite common - one would think anyway. Well, just to rule out this possibility, I tought I'd just ask around if anyone got Firefox to run on FreeBSD 6.1 SPARC64. Hit me with answers! :-) Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compiling mtr without GUI
Hi there Peeps! Somehow the mtr-port is bugging me a little. I want to install mtr on a machine with no keyboard and no monitor and thus no X - and I'd like to keep it that way. Since I couldn't find a package of mtr without the GUI, I guess, I'm stuck with the port. I've looked at the makefile and found the variable WITHOUT_X11. However, a 'make -D WITHOUT_X11' and a 'make WITHOUT_X11=1' both[1] result in X.org being downloaded and built. Now I am no real expert on makefiles but AFAIK in this case it shouldn't matter, what value WITHOUT_X11 has, as long as it is set at all. Am I too thick to be getting the point here or have I missed something not all that obvious? Don't think it matters but the Plattform is SPARC64 and the Version is 6.1-RELEASE (no cvsup run yet). Regards Chris [1] Both should actually do the same thing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Strange HD-device
Hello *! I am experiencing a very annoying problem when trying to (re-) install hard drives. What happened is this: I set up a new (private) server, removed all the hard drives from the old one and installed these drives and one new drive in the new server. The old server was running 4.11-STABLE, I installed 6.0-RELEASE on the new one and kept it up to date with cvsup. That was the easy part. Since the default file system in 6 is UFS2 and I wanted to encrypt a few of the file systems with gbde(8), I decided to empty one drive after the other, create new slices, partitions and file systems on the drives, copy the data back on the drives and - while I'm at it - clean up the data itself. :-) When I installed new drives (ad0, which is the boot drive and ad8 which is the new one), I created a new slice (dd-mode[1]) and new partition(s) without any problems. I did notice that the letter for a single partition changed from 'e' to 'd'. So a drive containing only a single file system now is /dev/adxs1d[2]. The problems began whith a 160GB Samsung drive (SP1614N). I copied the files off the drive and tested a few of them - just to be sure. Then I decided to erase the drive completely, as it was destined to be encrypted and I didn't want any unencrypted data left on it. So I unmounted the file systen and did did a dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/ad6 bs=1024K After that I started sysinstall and created a new slice and a new partition which sysinstall called /dev/ad6s1d - which I expected. But after creating the partition, the mount failed, because no such file or directory. And sure enough, ad6s1d did not exist in dev: jon# ls -l /dev/ad6* crw-r- 1 root operator0, 76 Jan 22 15:23 /dev/ad6 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 93 Jan 22 15:00 /dev/ad6c crw-r- 1 root operator0, 96 Jan 22 15:00 /dev/ad6cs1 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 92 Jan 22 15:00 /dev/ad6s1 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 94 Jan 22 15:00 /dev/ad6s1c These devices look a bit like those of a drive with a true partition-table (so Wintendo can read it). I can't really check that now because I have no computer with such an installation. However, even if this were so, I have checked and rechecked, the drive is definately dangerously dedicated - or at least, it should be. Non of the other drives show these devices: crw-r- 1 root operator0, 73 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 79 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0s1 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 100 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0s1a crw-r- 1 root operator0, 101 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0s1b crw-r- 1 root operator0, 102 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0s1c crw-r- 1 root operator0, 103 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0s1d crw-r- 1 root operator0, 104 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0s1e crw-r- 1 root operator0, 105 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0s1f crw-r- 1 root operator0, 106 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad0s1g crw-r- 1 root operator0, 78 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad12 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 97 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad12s1 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 121 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad12s1c crw-r- 1 root operator0, 122 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad12s1e crw-r- 1 root operator0, 74 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad2 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 87 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad2s1 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 109 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad2s1c crw-r- 1 root operator0, 110 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad2s1e crw-r- 1 root operator0, 75 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad4 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 90 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad4s1 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 113 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad4s1c crw-r- 1 root operator0, 114 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad4s1d crw-r- 1 root operator0, 77 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad8 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 94 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad8s1 crw-r- 1 root operator0, 117 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad8s1c crw-r- 1 root operator0, 118 Jan 22 16:20 /dev/ad8s1d The drives ad2 and ad12 are still unchanged from the last installation and therefore are still USF1 formatted. There were three changes since I installed the UFs2-drives: - I did a cvsup and made a new world. - ACPI didn't seem to work to well with this mainboard[3], so I deactivated it in the board's BIOS. This led to a few error-messages during booting but that seems to be more of a cosmetic problem. I don't really believe this is the cause though, because I turned ACPI back on and got the same results. - I added 'options GEOM_BDE' to the kernel config Also there are two additional ATA-controllers in the computer. Both are Promise: PDC20268 (for ad4 and ad6) and PDC20775 (for ad8 and ad12). The other two drives are connected to the southbridge. My basic question now is: Where did I mess up? :-) Is it normal for the devices to have different names? Regards, Chris [1] Since only FreeBSD will ever touch this computer, all the drives are dd-mode [2] Is there some text out
GBDE error message - what does it mean?
Hello again everybody! A few days back I got my first GBDE-device up and running. After that I had a slight problem described in [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I already discribed this problem in a newsgroup (comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc) and didn't get much help there[1] (apart from the adive to use geli instead of gbde). So I could go on working I simply changed to the trial-and-error approach. Well, I never really got to solve the problem itself, but could create and mount filesystems on ad6s1c and I could also initialize and attach that device to the kernel, create a filesystem on ad6s1c.bde and use it normally. At least, as far as I can tell. But then I took a look in /var/log/messages and saw this: Jan 24 00:00:21 jon kernel:g_vfs_done():ad6s1c.bde[WRITE(offset=157273636864, length=131072)]error = 1 Jan 24 00:00:52 jon last message repeated 2 times Jan 24 00:02:56 jon last message repeated 8 times Jan 24 00:12:48 jon last message repeated 39 times Jan 24 00:23:08 jon last message repeated 40 times Jan 24 00:32:57 jon last message repeated 38 times Jan 24 00:42:46 jon last message repeated 38 times Jan 24 00:53:06 jon last message repeated 40 times Jan 24 01:02:55 jon last message repeated 38 times Jan 24 01:13:12 jon last message repeated 39 times [...] dmesg is also full of this (only the first line of this quote, of course). Asking aunt google wasn't too helpful this time. I found one more or less useful thread about this subject: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/current/2005-11/0523.html A lot of talk and a fair bit of speculation, but what it boiled down to was, noone really knew what the problem was. There was a comment that maybe the device was full which in my case can't be since there are still som 38gigs free (of 149). Does anyone have an idea what I should do, or who I should bug? I'm not sure I want to write PHK an Email yet. Regards Chris [1] This is not a complaint, I guess noone had encountered and solved this problem before. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
