Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)

[Clark Martin]

Steve R wrote:
> At 9:58 PM -0600 12/15/08, Hunter Fuller posted:
>>  You can't rename a folder to . - it is definitely the root of the drive.
> 
> 
> Yes. You can rename a folder with the leading (.)  There is even an 
> app that makes it easy to (.) and un(.) for those who want to add 
> invisibility to files and folders they prefer nosy folk not casually 
> find.

This file was called simply "." which you can't name a file to.  Yes, 
you can add a "." to the beginning of a filename but you can't make it 
just ".".

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Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)

[Clark Martin]

Hunter Fuller wrote:
> You can't rename a folder to . - it is definitely the root of the drive.

"/" is the root of the drive.  "." represents the current directory. 
And no, you should not be able to rename/name something ".".  But it 
might not be ".", it might be ". " or " .".

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Re: Security Fix

[AIM Mail]

I just had to fix someones MBP because of that friggin' HORRID  
"feature". AVOID AT ALL COSTS!

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On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Bruce Johnson  
 wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 14, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:
>
>> I go to System Prefs->Security and yo there is a new panel on there
>> I'm unfamiliar with entirely called FileVault.
>
> A hint: it's common nickname is VileFault...don't use if you value
> your data. What it does is turn your entire home folder into an
> encrypted disk image that the system opens on login. On logout, it
> closes it.
>
> Hmmm...and if something goes wrong and your computer crashes???
>
>
>
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Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)

[Steve R]

At 9:58 PM -0600 12/15/08, Hunter Fuller posted:
>  You can't rename a folder to . - it is definitely the root of the drive.


Yes. You can rename a folder with the leading (.)  There is even an 
app that makes it easy to (.) and un(.) for those who want to add 
invisibility to files and folders they prefer nosy folk not casually 
find.

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Worth Upgrading?

[Maccountant]

Hi, I have a 2003 single 1.25GHz MDD running Tiger w/ 2 MB RAM. It's a
great machine, just a little long in the tooth. I use it as my primary
computer and file server to my 2007 MacBook. I was wondering what
upgrades would be cost-effective, if any, aside from RAM (it's maxed
anyway) and a new drive. My thoughts are either/or a graphics card and
a processor upgrade. Does it make sense to add a Radeon 9600 or 9800?
I also noticed that Sonnet has duel processor upgrades at 1.6 (apx
$450) and 1.8 ($600) GHz for the MDD. Basically these are to make the
machine a little snappier. I do financial and accounting work, some
Photoshop CS2 stuff, a little web page updating, and some video
editing. Also some occasional games like Unreal Tournament. The real
reason I got the Macbook was for using Windows when I need it. The
portability is a nice plus. Does anyone have any experience with any
of these upgrades or have an opinion?

Thanks,
Gary

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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available

[Kris Tilford]

Something to report:

While the large 377 MB update worked fine on my PPC G5 PowerMac, the  
two Intel MacBook Pros I updated with the 190 MB version faired worse.  
One failed to reboot, stuck on the spinning thing, and required a  
little maintenance before successfully rebooting to seeming  
improvement on the Airport connection, which was sorely needed and  
expected.

The 2nd MacBook Pro took the update normally, but when it rebooted I  
saw an icon at reboot I've never seen before. It faded away after  
several seconds and the Desktop presented itself normally then. Since  
this isn't my computer, I'm uncertain if this icon was part of the  
System software or some 3rd-party application? I rebooted several more  
times, and the icon presented itself each time. I looked in the  
startup items and Activity monitor and saw nothing "extra" running.

The unknown icon was a little larger than one inch in the center of  
the LCD near the end of the boot just after the grey screen ends at  
the earliest beginning of the almost instant blue screen to Desktop  
transition. It was a icon of a "rope" in the shape of the Apple  
Command 4-way cloverleaf symbol. The rope formed the command  
cloverleaf, but where it came back to itself in the upper right  
quadrant instead of connecting seamlessly to itself, it was tied in a  
square knot with loose ends showing on the exterior of the cloverleaf  
icon, seeming to indicated "something twisted and tied up"? Anyone  
seen this icon at startup before or know what it is?

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Re: basic OS X finder question

[joe]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:46 PM, Len Gerstel wrote:

>
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 3:41 PM, joe wrote:
>
>> I've got a G4 Sawtooth running 10.4.11
>>
>> Is there a way to copy the filenames in a given directory?  I don't
>> want to copy or move the files, but I'd like to get all the file
>> names to put them in a text file.
>
> This is in 10.5, but I am pretty sure it works in 10.4 also.
>
> In either list view or column view, select the items you want a list
> of, right click or control click on one of them and select Copy xxx
> items.
>
> Open a new Text Edit document, make it plain text and paste. It will
> paste the list of names.
>
> Note that if the document is set for Rich Text Format, it will try and
> place the actual documents.

That's it!  Thanks!  I tried it with rtf and --since the files in  
question were images--it pasted the images in.

Yup--this works in 10.4.

Thanks again!

Joe


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Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)

[Hunter Fuller]

You can't rename a folder to . - it is definitely the root of the drive.

2008/12/15 D Stubbs :
> For clarity, it may be that this is not the normal situation for the '.'
> root of the drive. That it was a folder accidently renamed by me instead
> (farbeit for me to know about roots of drives though)
> Below is what is listed in Disk Inventory X about this folder :
>
> Kind: folder (4)
> Size:4.8GB
> modified 6/16/06
> created: 9/12/03
> owner:
> group:
> Permission: drwx..
> Path: /.
> Application: Disk Inventory X
> Format: HFS+
> Mount Point/
> Device: /dev/disk0s 10
>
> I tried to trash it from Inventory X but it said I did not have permission
> thanks, Del
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Hunter Fuller 
> wrote:
>>
>> '.' indicates the root of the drive, i.e., open up the hard drive
>> viewer and you are looking at '.' -- you can't delete that. You need
>> some program that cleans temporary files, someone on the list maybe
>> can suggest one?
>>
>> 2008/12/15 D Stubbs :
>> > Thankyou everyone!
>> > Thanks to Tony mentioning Inventory X - now I can see 6 gigs I dont need
>> > bloating space, wahoo!
>> > But for a little clarification...
>> > I am a blacksmith, not a puter xpert, so some of your sincere replies
>> > are a
>> > bit over my head, would it be helpful to have new members give a 1-10
>> > rating
>> > of their computer saviness? I'd say 2 or 3 for me.
>> > Through Inventory X I see a folder in my 10.3.9 partition that has no
>> > more
>> > name than a 'period'.  thats all   [ . ]
>> > It has 4.3 gigs of duplicated user and administrator stuff - good grief.
>> > it must have happened a year back when I tried doing some updating after
>> > my
>> > puter guru friend got too sick to come out & help anymore. I am
>> > confident
>> > this folder can be dumped ( thanks to you folks I have made a ccc backup
>> > now)
>> > However this 4.3 gig folder does not show up in the normal osx folder -
>> > how
>> > do I locate it so it can be trashed?
>> > I have more of your emails to reply to yet but think to just send this
>> > for
>> > now because it is the biggest problem
>> > thanks so much again,
>> > Del
>> >
>> > ( I still run our family biz website on Pagemill 3.  I have installed a
>> > new
>> > seagate 160 GB hard drive inside our Sawtooth, but am waiting on the
>> > time to
>> > learn how to move over to it and upgrade to Tiger - as a handcraftsman
>> > in
>> > the sticks I'm a bit short on time to self learn puter stuff)
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>
> >
>



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Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)

[Tony Gamble]

On 15-Dec-08, at 7:08 PM, D Stubbs wrote:

>  I am confident this folder can be dumped ( thanks to you folks I  
> have made a ccc backup now)
> However this 4.3 gig folder does not show up in the normal osx  
> folder - how do I locate it so it can be trashed?
   I tried to trash it from Inventory X but it said I did not have  
permission
   thanks, Del

You can show hidden files with this app: http://www.box.net/shared/d31o3bnamn

To hide them again, use this app: http://www.box.net/shared/c8vebjaj6f

Both of these re-launch the Finder, so close any other open apps first.

  - Tony


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Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)

[D Stubbs]

For clarity, it *may* be that this is not the normal situation for the '.'
root of the drive. That it was a folder accidently renamed by me instead
(farbeit for me to know about roots of drives though)
Below is what is listed in Disk Inventory X about this folder :

Kind: folder (4)
Size:4.8GB
modified 6/16/06
created: 9/12/03
owner:
group:
Permission: drwx..
Path: /.
Application: Disk Inventory X
Format: HFS+
Mount Point/
Device: /dev/disk0s 10

I tried to trash it from Inventory X but it said I did not have permission
thanks, Del

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Hunter Fuller wrote:

>
> '.' indicates the root of the drive, i.e., open up the hard drive
> viewer and you are looking at '.' -- you can't delete that. You need
> some program that cleans temporary files, someone on the list maybe
> can suggest one?
>
> 2008/12/15 D Stubbs :
> > Thankyou everyone!
> > Thanks to Tony mentioning Inventory X - now I can see 6 gigs I dont need
> > bloating space, wahoo!
> > But for a little clarification...
> > I am a blacksmith, not a puter xpert, so some of your sincere replies are
> a
> > bit over my head, would it be helpful to have new members give a 1-10
> rating
> > of their computer saviness? I'd say 2 or 3 for me.
> > Through Inventory X I see a folder in my 10.3.9 partition that has no
> more
> > name than a 'period'.  thats all   [ . ]
> > It has 4.3 gigs of duplicated user and administrator stuff - good grief.
> > it must have happened a year back when I tried doing some updating after
> my
> > puter guru friend got too sick to come out & help anymore. I am confident
> > this folder can be dumped ( thanks to you folks I have made a ccc backup
> > now)
> > However this 4.3 gig folder does not show up in the normal osx folder -
> how
> > do I locate it so it can be trashed?
> > I have more of your emails to reply to yet but think to just send this
> for
> > now because it is the biggest problem
> > thanks so much again,
> > Del
> >
> > ( I still run our family biz website on Pagemill 3.  I have installed a
> new
> > seagate 160 GB hard drive inside our Sawtooth, but am waiting on the time
> to
> > learn how to move over to it and upgrade to Tiger - as a handcraftsman in
> > the sticks I'm a bit short on time to self learn puter stuff)
> >>
> >>
>
>

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Re: After a Nuke & Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...

[Steve R]

At 10:08 PM -0500 12/15/08, insightinmind posted:
Suggestions from PPC users RE: 10.5?


10.5.4 is remaining stable on my PPC G5 1.8GHz/3GB RAM. My plan for 
10.5.6 is to clone this stable partition before attempting to leap 
from 10.5.4 to 10.5.6 after thoroughly investigating why I would need 
to upgrade (possible security issues but I'm not seeing anything on 
the KB, so far, that stands out for why I need to upgrade.)

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Re: After a Nuke & Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...

[insightinmind]

I went on and installed the 10.5.6 update.

Tried to Repair Permissions (I know it doesn't really do anything),  
and got a kernal panic.

Trying to access my system logs gave me a kernal panic.

I've restarted several times and am running Xbench ok ... attempting  
to setup Mail ...

Wondering if I should give up on 10.5 on a PowerPC (QS Dual 1GHz),  
sell it, and go back to Tiger.

Suggestions from PPC users RE: 10.5?


Bill Connelly
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Re: have a trendnet kvm switch but can't get it to let my studio 17 apple monitor to work with my G3 and G4

[mlitwin]

  I think I answered my own question. I hooked up the trendnet  
and both apple computers. It worked once. After that it seemed to  
start and stop. I think I must have created a circle of power or  
something because if I turned on one computer,the other came on also.  
I am back to using  two monitors. I guess I am lucky I didn't hurt my  
computers.
On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:55 PM, ll wrote:

>
>  My goal was to get my Power G3 b...@w and G4 desktop on the same
> printer,monitor and mouse. A simple data transfer switch lets me use
> one computer. I have a simple usb switch that lets me use the same
> mouse and keyboard. I also have a Trendnet KVM Switch I was going to
> use for the monitor.
>  I have used it before to hook a Linux and Windows computer to one
> monitor. why didn't it work when I tried to connect my G3 and G4 to
> the same Studio 17 monitor. The monitor works on each of them
> separately?
>
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Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)

[Hunter Fuller]

'.' indicates the root of the drive, i.e., open up the hard drive
viewer and you are looking at '.' -- you can't delete that. You need
some program that cleans temporary files, someone on the list maybe
can suggest one?

2008/12/15 D Stubbs :
> Thankyou everyone!
> Thanks to Tony mentioning Inventory X - now I can see 6 gigs I dont need
> bloating space, wahoo!
> But for a little clarification...
> I am a blacksmith, not a puter xpert, so some of your sincere replies are a
> bit over my head, would it be helpful to have new members give a 1-10 rating
> of their computer saviness? I'd say 2 or 3 for me.
> Through Inventory X I see a folder in my 10.3.9 partition that has no more
> name than a 'period'.  thats all   [ . ]
> It has 4.3 gigs of duplicated user and administrator stuff - good grief.
> it must have happened a year back when I tried doing some updating after my
> puter guru friend got too sick to come out & help anymore. I am confident
> this folder can be dumped ( thanks to you folks I have made a ccc backup
> now)
> However this 4.3 gig folder does not show up in the normal osx folder - how
> do I locate it so it can be trashed?
> I have more of your emails to reply to yet but think to just send this for
> now because it is the biggest problem
> thanks so much again,
> Del
>
> ( I still run our family biz website on Pagemill 3.  I have installed a new
> seagate 160 GB hard drive inside our Sawtooth, but am waiting on the time to
> learn how to move over to it and upgrade to Tiger - as a handcraftsman in
> the sticks I'm a bit short on time to self learn puter stuff)
>>
>>
>> On 15-Dec-08, at 12:32 PM, MIKO .. wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:05 AM, MnDel wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >> Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do
>> >> a  few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9
>> >> partition:   (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came
>> >> to
>> >> only 8.2GB.
>> >> However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than
>> >> 1GB free space with no apps running.
>> >> I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look?
>> >> Thanks!, Del
>> >>
>> >> G4 Sawtooth 500MHz
>> >> 768 MB
>> >> 10.3.9
>>
>> I use a program called Disk Inventory X ( http://www.derlien.com/ )
>> that's great at giving a graphical representation of where my HD space
>> is being used up.  It shows everything, including hidden folders.
>>
>>  - Tony
>>
>
>
> >
>



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have a trendnet kvm switch but can't get it to let my studio 17 apple monitor to work with my G3 and G4

[ll]

 My goal was to get my Power G3 b...@w and G4 desktop on the same
printer,monitor and mouse. A simple data transfer switch lets me use
one computer. I have a simple usb switch that lets me use the same
mouse and keyboard. I also have a Trendnet KVM Switch I was going to
use for the monitor.
 I have used it before to hook a Linux and Windows computer to one
monitor. why didn't it work when I tried to connect my G3 and G4 to
the same Studio 17 monitor. The monitor works on each of them
separately?

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Re: basic OS X finder question

[Clark Martin]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 3:41 PM, joe wrote:
> 
>> I've got a G4 Sawtooth running 10.4.11
>>
>> Is there a way to copy the filenames in a given directory?  I don't
>> want to copy or move the files, but I'd like to get all the file
>> names to put them in a text file.

Open the folder in question, Select All (Command-A) and Copy (Command-C).


> 
> The simplest is via an excursion to /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.  
> (This seems long but is quite simple)
> 
> Open the desired directory in Finder.
> 
> start terminal
> 
> type the letters cd followed by a space.
> 
> Drag the little folder icon from the finder window to the line in  
> terminal that you were just typing on.
> 
> In Terminal hit return.
> 
> Now type the following:
> 
> ls > directorylist.txt
> 
> (You can call directorylist.txt anything you want)
> 
> This will create a text file with a listing of each file in the  
> directory on it's own line.
> 


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Re: Can you copy (move) 10.4 to different HD?

[Doug Burton]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote:

>
> Can you copy (move) 10.4 to different HD?
>
> With 10.2 and OS 9 drivers installed, making this a bootable disk,  
> can you simply move 10.4 from another disk to this disk? From one  
> partition to another?
>
> Are there hidden or invisible files that will be a problem? Are  
> invisible files included when you copy the whole disk to this disk?
>
> Jonas

Without knowing on what computer you are doing this on it is rather  
difficult to speculate.  But most times OS X can be transferred this  
way using either Carbon Copy Cloner or Super Duper.  HTH

Just a message from Doug...


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Re: Can you copy (move) 10.4 to different HD?

[Kris Tilford]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote:

> Can you copy (move) 10.4 to different HD?

No.

You need to clone it to another HD or partition using something like  
Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper.


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Can you copy (move) 10.4 to different HD?

[Jonas Lopez]

Can you copy (move) 10.4 to different HD?

With 10.2 and OS 9 drivers installed, making this a bootable disk, can you 
simply move 10.4 from another disk to this disk? From one partition to another?

Are there hidden or invisible files that will be a problem? Are invisible files 
included when you copy the whole disk to this disk?

Jonas


  

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Re: basic OS X finder question

[Len Gerstel]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 3:41 PM, joe wrote:

> I've got a G4 Sawtooth running 10.4.11
>
> Is there a way to copy the filenames in a given directory?  I don't
> want to copy or move the files, but I'd like to get all the file
> names to put them in a text file.

This is in 10.5, but I am pretty sure it works in 10.4 also.

In either list view or column view, select the items you want a list  
of, right click or control click on one of them and select Copy xxx  
items.

Open a new Text Edit document, make it plain text and paste. It will  
paste the list of names.

Note that if the document is set for Rich Text Format, it will try and  
place the actual documents.

HTH,
Len


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Re: Ok stupid question time - How do I do this.

[MIKO ..]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:14 PM, jqusnr wrote:

> Ok I got it on the OS X machine and it seems to work great.  Thanks.
> If i was to scan it could I get it to work within Microsoft works?

Well if you were to scan it- if it's THAT kind of certificate- you  
could do a lot with it if you scanned it!  I'm assuming you mean you  
can print it, and then you could scan it.

If you have questions about scanning, let me know.  Know that you  
could scan just as a JPEG at 150-200 dpi resolution, or if the  
certificate is mostly text, you could extract the text using an OCR  
program if one came with your scanner.

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Re: same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?

[glen]

- Original Message 
> From: Beniamino Cenci Goga 
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:14:15 PM
> Subject: Re: same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 
> processo?
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:04 PM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:
> 
> > Silly question, but did you remove the firmware block that prevents  
> > the B&W
> > G3 from using a G4?
> 
> yes I did...:
> 
> > So I prepared the Yosemite, G4 firmware
> > update,
> 

The B&W G4 Firmware update and B&W G4 Enabler which removes the G4 firmware 
block are two different updates. It is not clear from the previous posts you 
did both.

Excuse me if you have done both updates. --glen



  

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Re: Ok stupid question time - How do I do this.

[jqusnr]

Ok I got it on the OS X machine and it seems to work great.  Thanks.
If i was to scan it could I get it to work within Microsoft works?


On Dec 15, 4:44 pm, "MIKO .."  wrote:
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:14 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:
>
> > Get appleworks 6, install it onto an OS 9 machine, and then drag the  
> > appleworks 6 folder over to the os 10 machine. works great!
> > -Jonas
>
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:05 PM, jqusnr  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > have a Blue and White running OS 10.4.11
>
> > My wife has a certificate that was created in OS 9 and apple works
>
> > is there anyway to convert that and inport it to MS Works?
>
> Or export it from Appleworks by saving as an RTF or other form of  
> document, or convert it using MacLinkPlus- if you have access to any  
> of those options.
>
> Appleworks is its OWN thing, unfortunately, but you should be able to  
> get a version you can run, somewhere.
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Re: Wow! (Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition)

[D Stubbs]

Thankyou everyone!
Thanks to Tony mentioning Inventory X - now I can see 6 gigs I dont need
bloating space, wahoo!
But for a little clarification...
I am a blacksmith, not a puter xpert, so some of your sincere replies are a
bit over my head, would it be helpful to have new members give a 1-10 rating
of their computer saviness? I'd say 2 or 3 for me.
Through Inventory X I see a folder in my 10.3.9 partition that has no more
name than a 'period'.  thats all   [ . ]
It has 4.3 gigs of duplicated user and administrator stuff - good grief.
it must have happened a year back when I tried doing some updating after my
puter guru friend got too sick to come out & help anymore. I am confident
this folder can be dumped ( thanks to you folks I have made a ccc backup
now)
However this 4.3 gig folder does not show up in the normal osx folder - how
do I locate it so it can be trashed?
I have more of your emails to reply to yet but think to just send this for
now because it is the biggest problem
thanks so much again,
Del

( I still run our family biz website on Pagemill 3.  I have installed a new
seagate 160 GB hard drive inside our Sawtooth, but am waiting on the time to
learn how to move over to it and upgrade to Tiger - as a handcraftsman in
the sticks I'm a bit short on time to self learn puter stuff)

>
>
> On 15-Dec-08, at 12:32 PM, MIKO .. wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:05 AM, MnDel wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do
> >> a  few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9
> >> partition:   (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came
> >> to
> >> only 8.2GB.
> >> However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than
> >> 1GB free space with no apps running.
> >> I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look?
> >> Thanks!, Del
> >>
> >> G4 Sawtooth 500MHz
> >> 768 MB
> >> 10.3.9
>
> I use a program called Disk Inventory X ( http://www.derlien.com/ )
> that's great at giving a graphical representation of where my HD space
> is being used up.  It shows everything, including hidden folders.
>
>  - Tony
>
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Re: Need new external HDD's - should i buy RAID units???

[darkey]

Finally - something I understand!!!

amen brother!


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Re: Need new external HDD's - should i buy RAID units???

[darkey]

On Dec 8, 12:31 pm, Robert MacLeay  wrote:
> Hi Chris!
>
> You are *probably* OK leaving drives in an unheated environment.
> Seagate says its drives are OK down to -40, although they should be
> warmed up to freezing (32 F) before use.
>
> Out here in Colorado, I keep several drives in a small insulated ice
> chest in the trunk of my car, each drive in its own zip-lock freezer
> baggie. In four years, no problems.

Hello Robert!

after posting, I discovered on their website that the Guardian and OWC
units are safe to store well below 0°. Operation temps are a different
story however.
>
> As for your garage, is it detached from the house? If one burns down,
> will the other go with it?

yes - it is detached - thank god!
>
> Redundancy is always good. I back up with three hard disks for each
> computer. Two are CCC/SuperDuper images, which leapfrog each other on
> a weekly basis. The third is used with TIme Machine. Plus periodic
> DVDs of critical folders to an Undisclosed Location.  In 24 years of
> computer use I have never lost a file, except for those I deliberately
> and foolishly threw away.

When you say "leapfrog", do you mean just swap them each week? How do
you go about using Time Machine in your backup regime; do you keep
that *third TM* attached to your main HD non stop? AND/OR *somehow*
backup your 2 externals to it or with TM - or??? If I make clone
backups on both external drives and then {with lots of outside
assistance!} determine the ideal method to update each of them on a
regular basis, what is the advantage of using TM - especially for a
moron like ME?
Any elaboration is appreciated!

Many thanks,

chris in ny

> On Dec 8, 4:51 am, darkey  wrote:
>
> > When swapping drives weekly, what is the procedure to update the
> > freshly swapped drive?
> > Can an external drive safely
> > be kept in a weathertight {detached!} garage during the week it's not
> > in use in the NY winter?
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Re: basic OS X finder question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> On Dec 15, 2008, at 3:41 PM, joe wrote:
>
>> I've got a G4 Sawtooth running 10.4.11
>>
>> Is there a way to copy the filenames in a given directory?  I don't
>> want to copy or move the files, but I'd like to get all the file
>> names to put them in a text file.
>
> The simplest is via an excursion to /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.
> (This seems long but is quite simple)

And yes, this is a long, LONG standing basic failure of the  
Finder...you really shouldn't have to resort to the command line to  
print a list of filenames...

-- 
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BELATED REPLY & THANKS! - Re: Need new external HDD's - should i buy RAID units???

[darkey]

Hello Dan!

Many many thanks for your thoughtful - and rapid reply to my post.
No sooner than I posted than the next day I found my self rushing down
to NC on an emergency regarding my dadwhew!
I saw some replies start to arrive {with all due respect, I also
copied my post to another group - in order to get as much feedback/
info as possible} but I had no time or ability to reply until now
having just returned this am.
I hope I'm replying in the proper posting format!



On Dec 8, 11:05 am, Dan  wrote:
> At 3:51 AM -0800 12/8/2008, darkey wrote:
>
> >The unthinkable has happened; my home was burglarized and my OWC
> >mercury elite was stolen.
>
> Sorry to hear that.  You had good insurance?

No! :-(
>
> >Now I realize it's not enough; I can't afford it, but now I'm going
> >to buy TWO drives and keep one out of the house as many others do.
>
> Good.
>
> Might want to burn some DVDs too.

I have DVD questions - but will save them for a separate post.
>
> >Should I buy RAID1 units?
>
> Personally, I'm not fond of using RAID boxes for backup.  As I
> mentioned in another post, RAID is Fragile.  Too many things can go
> wrong with it.  IMO, it's better to get normal sturdy drive/boxes
> that won't mind being lugged about.

>From the reviews I've read, the Guardian units from OWC are quite
rugged; though at this point I'm leaning against RAID.
>
> >"hardware" based RAID; this is preferred over software RAID?
>
> Hardware-based is better, either in the controller in your Mac or in
> the controller in the box.
>
> Software-based RAID is... a waste of your Mac's CPU time and i/o bandwidth.
>
> >I never seem to hear of any home users using RAID1 for their back
> >up; what's the reason for this; doesn't a RAID1 unit constantly
> >update your backup over two drives as you are using the computer?
>
> Yes.  It immediately copies your errors from your main drive to the
> hot backup.  Makes the backup useless for normal file recovery.

Please! bear with me and my lack of knowledge; what errors make their
way onto a RAID unit that a clone backup won't be vulnerable to?
>
> >where does Time machine fit into all this - and do most of you even use it?
>
> RAID1 is a block-level hot copy of your primary drive.  It instantly
> reflects the data and file system errors on your primary.

How is this different than a clone - and it's subsequent backups?

> Time Machine is a file-level backup mechanism that runs periodically.
> It's new and it's not 100% reliable yet.  That's why many folx don't
> like it.

How is *this* different than a clone - and it's subsequent backups?
Is it true that you can NOT boot from a TM backup?

> >When swapping drives weekly, what is the procedure to update the
> >freshly swapped drive?
>
> Just use CCC or SuperDuper to update the drive.  It will replace only
> the changed files, so the update won't even take that long.

So when re-connecting the "alternate" {external #2} drive, what type
of backup do I select; ie, incremental, update, etc - or do i need to
"reclone" the drive again; I absolutely want the ability to be able to
boot from whatever external I have ... as you can see - my luck isn't
so hot!
>
> Note that there is no such fast update for RAID1.  Because it is
> block-level, it will have to re-write the whole drive every time you
> reconnect it.  Some RAID hardware is a smart enough to read both
> drives and compare the data and only write what's needed... but
> still, it requires reading EVERY block on both the drives...

I see the GM unit from OWC will automatically update the other drive
in the enclosure should one need to be replaced. Is that the same
thing? Beyond that, should i get a RAID1 unit, what is involved in
getting the freshly swapped drive  to accurately - and *SIMPLY* - back
up my internal HDD?
>
> >Can an external drive safely be kept in a weathertight {detached!}
> >garage during the week it's not
> >in use in the NY winter?
>
> I would not store a drive in very cold conditions.  A friend's sock
> drawer would be better.

I'd prefer that also - but don't know if it will always be practical,
so I'm trying to figure options.

No matter how much I've read on this, I keep seeing the phrase "RAID
is not a substitute for backup"; even though I'm a little confused by
that statement, it *seems* to be beginning to make sense to me?!

Thanks again so much for your input; it goes a long, Long way towards
peace of mind - especially now when everything is just falling apart;
as an aside, I was having trouble opening the combination Kensington
lock today; after talking to tech support, I now have a Kensington
lock that has had its cable neatly severed with a dremel with its head
stuck in my monitor! It was a job to cut, and my 24" bolt cutters
couldn't do a thing on the cable. Kensington is GREAT - a new lock is
*already* on the way - no charge - and they will pay for the removal
of the old one - even covering a house call! I've had nothing but
fantastic dealings with them over the

Re: basic OS X finder question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 3:41 PM, joe wrote:

> I've got a G4 Sawtooth running 10.4.11
>
> Is there a way to copy the filenames in a given directory?  I don't
> want to copy or move the files, but I'd like to get all the file
> names to put them in a text file.

The simplest is via an excursion to /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.  
(This seems long but is quite simple)

Open the desired directory in Finder.

start terminal

type the letters cd followed by a space.

Drag the little folder icon from the finder window to the line in  
terminal that you were just typing on.

In Terminal hit return.

Now type the following:

ls > directorylist.txt

(You can call directorylist.txt anything you want)

This will create a text file with a listing of each file in the  
directory on it's own line.

-- 
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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available

[Andy]

> 
> The combo is 669 MB; the update from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 is 372 MB.

The update from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 on my G4 PB 1.5GHZ was 190MB

Andy



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basic OS X finder question

[joe]

I've got a G4 Sawtooth running 10.4.11

Is there a way to copy the filenames in a given directory?  I don't  
want to copy or move the files, but I'd like to get all the file  
names to put them in a text file.

I've roamed around Mac's help and I'm just not finding the way to do  
this.  I'll bet it's something really simple that I'm just not finding.

TIA

Joe

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10.5.6 Update and Time Machine/Capsule

[Al Poulin]

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3194says:
Time Machine

• Fixes issues that could cause Time Machine to state the backup  
volume could not be found.
• Improves Time Machine reliability with Time Capsule.

Does the update make TM/TC users happier?  Hmmm, maybe it is too early  
for this question.

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Re: same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:04 PM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:

> Silly question, but did you remove the firmware block that prevents  
> the B&W
> G3 from using a G4?

yes I did...:

> So I prepared the Yosemite, G4 firmware
> update,



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RE: same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?

[John Ruschmeyer]

Silly question, but did you remove the firmware block that prevents the B&W
G3 from using a G4?

John

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Subject: same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?


So today I tried to install a G4 ZIF that I have never been able to  
use with L2 enabled. I had used this processor on a carrie ZIF into  
PowerMac 7600 and into a beige G3. No way to enable L2 cache (I have  
used all the known software). So I prepared the Yosemite, G4 firmware  
update, jumper setting etc... No luck the G4 does not work at all in  
the Yosemite. Before I conclude the L2 is bad is thee any other test  
to perform?



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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available

[PeterH]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Peter wrote:

>>
>> The combo is 669 MB; the update from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 is 372 MB.
>
> For me it was 190MB according to Apple Software Update.

Remember, I asked for the Combo Update, because I have quite a number  
of systems of different levels, and because I intentionally install  
from a CD, not via the 'Net.

However, for an up-to-date 10.5.5, the specific update to 10.5.6 is  
indeed quite modest.


I now have 10.5.6 running on one of my Hackintoshes. No issues so far.



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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available

[Peter]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:

>
> The combo is 669 MB; the update from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 is 372 MB.

For me it was 190MB according to Apple Software Update.

Peter M.


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same Yosemite with video troubles _ now I am trying a G4 processo?

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

So today I tried to install a G4 ZIF that I have never been able to  
use with L2 enabled. I had used this processor on a carrie ZIF into  
PowerMac 7600 and into a beige G3. No way to enable L2 cache (I have  
used all the known software). So I prepared the Yosemite, G4 firmware  
update, jumper setting etc... No luck the G4 does not work at all in  
the Yosemite. Before I conclude the L2 is bad is thee any other test  
to perform?

Ben

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Re: Ok stupid question time - How do I do this.

[MIKO ..]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:14 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> Get appleworks 6, install it onto an OS 9 machine, and then drag the  
> appleworks 6 folder over to the os 10 machine. works great!
> -Jonas
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:05 PM, jqusnr  wrote:
>
> Hi
> have a Blue and White running OS 10.4.11
>
> My wife has a certificate that was created in OS 9 and apple works
>
> is there anyway to convert that and inport it to MS Works?

Or export it from Appleworks by saving as an RTF or other form of  
document, or convert it using MacLinkPlus- if you have access to any  
of those options.

Appleworks is its OWN thing, unfortunately, but you should be able to  
get a version you can run, somewhere.

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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available

[Paul]

The combo is 669 MB; the update from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 is 372 MB.
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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available

[insightinmind]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 3:15 PM, PeterH wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
>> 10.5.6 is available.

Wondering if I should just move on into 10.5.6, having re-visited  
trouble with 10.5.5, after a Nuke and Pave ... another (unanswered /  
recent) thread about revisiting the Blue Screen on Startup on a  
Quicksilver Dual 1GHz ... i.e., a non-Intel Mac?

Even though I'm studying Jazz ... this is not the type of "Blue"s I'm  
interested in ...

Bill Connelly
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Re: Ok stupid question time - How do I do this.

[jonas ulrich]

Get appleworks 6, install it onto an OS 9 machine, and then drag the
appleworks 6 folder over to the os 10 machine. works great!-Jonas

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:05 PM, jqusnr  wrote:

>
> Hi
> have a Blue and White running OS 10.4.11
>
> My wife has a certificate that was created in OS 9 and apple works
>
> is there anyway to convert that and inport it to MS Works?
>
> Thanks for any and all help
>
>
> >
>

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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available -also 10.4 security update available

[Len Gerstel]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> 10.5.6 is available

And for those of us poor souls who still depend on Classic apps,  
don't have the MHz or the funds to go to 10.5, there is a Security  
Update (2008-008, 72MB) that is out for 10.4.x.

Installed and there was only one restart, no issues here.

Len



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Ok stupid question time - How do I do this.

[jqusnr]

Hi
have a Blue and White running OS 10.4.11

My wife has a certificate that was created in OS 9 and apple works

is there anyway to convert that and inport it to MS Works?

Thanks for any and all help


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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available

[PeterH]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:58 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:

> 10.5.6 is available.
>
> I used Software Update, it was 377 MB for my PPC G5. The MacBook Pro
> Intel version was 190 MB.

The available Combo Update, suitable for all platforms, is 669 MB.

It is my policy to download the Combo Update, and then to burn it to  
a CD.

Fortunately, this very large update will fit on a CD.

Thereafter, I update my systems, in turn, from the CD.



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Re: 10.5.6 Update Available

[Peter]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> 10.5.6 is available.
>
> I used Software Update, it was 377 MB for my PPC G5. The MacBook Pro
> Intel version was 190 MB.
>
> I'm using a non-Apple 802.11n card (Netgear WN311B) that requires
> patching with the bcm43xx_enabler_0.5.1pre.sh.zip to be recognized as
> Airport. After the update I had no wireless connection and needed to
> redo the patch. The patch worked fine, the card is recognized as
> Airport and the connection is fine.
>
> Nothing else to report. It booted normally.

On my G4 software update downloaded 190MB. No problems noted after the  
reboot.

Peter M.


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10.5.6 Update Available

[Kris Tilford]

10.5.6 is available.

I used Software Update, it was 377 MB for my PPC G5. The MacBook Pro  
Intel version was 190 MB.

I'm using a non-Apple 802.11n card (Netgear WN311B) that requires  
patching with the bcm43xx_enabler_0.5.1pre.sh.zip to be recognized as  
Airport. After the update I had no wireless connection and needed to  
redo the patch. The patch worked fine, the card is recognized as  
Airport and the connection is fine.

Nothing else to report. It booted normally.

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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Steve R wrote:

>
> At 10:57 AM -0800 12/15/08, Jeffrey Engle posted:
>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:50 AM, MIKO .. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>>>
 Considering that Mail is the only app up at the moment... and I  
 know
 what sound(s) it makes... this is interesting. (and yes, I've  
 checked
 the widgets) J
>>>
>>> Did you check you "New Mail Sound" preference under the General
>>> section of mail preferences?  There IS a Submarine there as an  
>>> option!
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that's the first place I checked. J
>
> I've been in the same situation trying to find sound -- even called a
> neighbour to help track down a sound one night that may or may not
> have been coming from the computer (surround sound speakers really
> work!) Swiss cheese memory doesn't remember what it was that was
> doing the alerts but it was a doh! moment when figured out. Try
> opening Activity Monitor (found in the Applications/Utilities folder)
> and leaving it open to see which processes are being used. I always
> take a screenshot of the window to compare to the real time window
> just in case. This may help.
>
> Are you using Growl for any notices?
>

Nope, no growling here... J

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Re: Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition

[Steve R]

At 9:05 AM -0800 12/15/08, MnDel posted:
>  Hello,
>  Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do
>  a  few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9
>  partition:   (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came to
>  only 8.2GB.
>  However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than
>  1GB free space with no apps running.
>  I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look?
>  Thanks!, Del


Are you subscribed to dot-mac, and have you changed your settings 
from iDisk Sync: On to iDisk Sync: Off? Whenever I've changed that 
setting, Apple thinks I want to keep the iDisk.img on my computer -- 
not!

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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[Steve R]

At 10:57 AM -0800 12/15/08, Jeffrey Engle posted:
>  On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:50 AM, MIKO .. wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>>
>>>  Considering that Mail is the only app up at the moment... and I know
>>>  what sound(s) it makes... this is interesting. (and yes, I've checked
>>>  the widgets) J
>>
>>  Did you check you "New Mail Sound" preference under the General
>>  section of mail preferences?  There IS a Submarine there as an option!
>>
>
>  Yes, that's the first place I checked. J

I've been in the same situation trying to find sound -- even called a 
neighbour to help track down a sound one night that may or may not 
have been coming from the computer (surround sound speakers really 
work!) Swiss cheese memory doesn't remember what it was that was 
doing the alerts but it was a doh! moment when figured out. Try 
opening Activity Monitor (found in the Applications/Utilities folder) 
and leaving it open to see which processes are being used. I always 
take a screenshot of the window to compare to the real time window 
just in case. This may help.

Are you using Growl for any notices?

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Re: After a Nuke & Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...

[insightinmind]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:02 PM, insightinmind wrote:

> On my QS Dual 1GHz, I did a Nuke & Pave, returning the system to  
> 10.5.5.
>
> Along the way, everything appeared to be fine:
>
> Installed my M-Audio driver, waited a few restarts ...
> Installed my Logitech Wireless KB & Mouse driver, waited a few  
> restarts ...
> Installed my Yamaha motif es8 USB-MIDI driver, waited a few  
> restarts ...
>
> Everything appeared fine.
>
> Now after a couple of days down, on Restart, I'm "back" to getting  
> a blue screen on Startup. It eventually resolves into the Desktop,  
> but my M-Audio driver didn't load, and I noticed my wireless mouse  
> battery needed recharging.
>
> After replacing the mouse batteries ...
>
> "IOKit" is shown as where the system pauses because it doesn't  
> "quiesce" ... looking at the system restart using command-V.
>
> I did shut down my system without turning off the Yamaha motif es8,  
> which was connected by USB-MIDI a few days ago.
>
> Trying to access the Apple System Profiler system log is causing a  
> kp again.
>
> Suggestions? Is the occasional dead mouse adding an unnecessary  
> complication?
>
> Other thoughts?

Clarification:

"IOKitWaitQuiet" is timing out.

Then something else ...Responder fails while waiting for IOKit to  
quiesce ...

Something like that.

I'm also experiencing my Mail outgoing not always going out on first  
try, with my Yikes! Tiger 10.4.11 machine connected to the same  
network. Maybe a flaky ISP response is causing the QS 10.5.5 to  
hiccup? Using a new Rosewill 10/100/1000 PCI card there ... onboard  
ethernet 10/100 in the Yikes!. Westell 327W DSL Modem/Router.

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After a Nuke & Pave (10.5.5) ... QS made its way back to Blue Screen ...

[insightinmind]

On my QS Dual 1GHz, I did a Nuke & Pave, returning the system to 10.5.5.

Along the way, everything appeared to be fine:

Installed my M-Audio driver, waited a few restarts ...
Installed my Logitech Wireless KB & Mouse driver, waited a few  
restarts ...
Installed my Yamaha motif es8 USB-MIDI driver, waited a few restarts ...

Everything appeared fine.

Now after a couple of days down, on Restart, I'm "back" to getting a  
blue screen on Startup. It eventually resolves into the Desktop, but  
my M-Audio driver didn't load, and I noticed my wireless mouse  
battery needed recharging.

After replacing the mouse batteries ...

"IOKit" is shown as where the system pauses because it doesn't  
"quiesce" ... looking at the system restart using command-V.

I did shut down my system without turning off the Yamaha motif es8,  
which was connected by USB-MIDI a few days ago.

Trying to access the Apple System Profiler system log is causing a kp  
again.

Suggestions? Is the occasional dead mouse adding an unnecessary  
complication?

Other thoughts?

Bill Connelly
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Re: Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition

[Clark Martin]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:05 AM, MnDel wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do
>> a  few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9
>> partition:   (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came to
>> only 8.2GB.
>> However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than
>> 1GB free space with no apps running.
>> I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look?
>> Thanks!, Del
> 
> You're not seeing the private directories not shown in the finder, but  
> in general those shouldn't be taking up that much space. The only  
> thing that can grow is the logs. Run Onyx or MacJanitor to clear the  
> logs.
> 
> Emptied the trash lately? Have you had failed optical disk burns?
> 

Well there's also swap space.  Try logging out then back in again.  Even 
with no apps running there is still swap space being used.


Open Terminal and enter the following command:

sudo du -hd1 /

then Hit return and enter your password.


This will tell you where everything is.

You can change the one to a two or other number (sudo du -hd2 /) and see 
more details.


Note: it will take a while to complete this command.

-- 
Clark Martin
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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:50 AM, MIKO .. wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>
>> Considering that Mail is the only app up at the moment... and I know
>> what sound(s) it makes... this is interesting. (and yes, I've checked
>> the widgets) J
>
> Did you check you "New Mail Sound" preference under the General
> section of mail preferences?  There IS a Submarine there as an option!
>

Yes, that's the first place I checked. J

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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[MIKO ..]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

> Considering that Mail is the only app up at the moment... and I know
> what sound(s) it makes... this is interesting. (and yes, I've checked
> the widgets) J

Did you check you "New Mail Sound" preference under the General  
section of mail preferences?  There IS a Submarine there as an option!

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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[Jeffrey Engle]

>
>
> It tells you what sound the system is using.
>

yes, but thats all it does.. other than let me "pick" which one I want  
for "system" alert sound. It just seems like there should be software  
that tells me what alert sounds are being used for what hmm. J
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Re: OT: External Hard Drives, LaCie & OWC

[Dan]

At 8:37 PM -0500 12/14/2008, Al Poulin wrote:
>Shopping for "Quad" interface eSata, FW 400, FW 800, and USB 1TB 
>external hard drive.
>
>I have narrowed the possibilities to the LaCie d2 Quadra and the OWC 
>Mercury Elite Al Pro Quad.  The OWC carries a Hitachi rebate.  I do
>not know what vendor's mechanism is inside the LaCie.
>
>Dan, one of the experts on this list, likes his LaCie 500GB.  Would 
>users who know these drives please comment, good and bad?  Advantages 
>and disadvantages?  How long are the cables from LaCie?  OWC cables 
>are only 3 feet long.

I am, as you noted, a fan of La Cie.  They're a multi-national that 
has always been Mac friendly.  Not positive, but I think they may be 
owned by Seagate.  The La Cie boxes I've used (mine & clients) have 
been perfect performers - fast and reliable.  Never had a box (power 
supply, interface board, etc) fail.  Had one mechanism die, but it 
was 4+ years old and badly abused.  All ours came with Seagate 
mechanisms, but I've heard from a few folx on the LEM lists that 
theirs has WD mechanisms; not verified.  The d2 quadra box has a 
solid metal feel to it.  It's foot is removable, so it is happy 
horizontally or vertically.  My 500 GB is near totally silent.  The 
only way I can tell it's running is from a slight purr and the darned 
big blue Hal light on the front.  That light is my only gripe.  Oh, 
it came with Retrospect - but *shrug*  I use SuperDuper and CCC.

Like Seagate, Hitachi also has a very good reputation for drive 
mechanisms these days.  The only vendor I suggest avoiding is WD 
drives over 300 GB in size.

WRT cables... the ones that came with my d2 quadra were two and three 
feet.  Moot, IMO, as I just use my regular cables.

Buying advice -- just be careful of cheap cheap dealios.  Inexpensive 
is ok.  Cheap is a warning light.  When it gets too cheap, you need 
to start looking for uber fine print that says it's a refirb and the 
warranty is in seconds, not years.  I'm not knocking refirbs per se - 
I use a lot of 'em without problemos.  Factory refirbs (with longer 
warranties) are fine.  But store "refirbs" with <30 days --- ack!!!

As to where to buy... I've bought from OWC, Amazon, Outpost, and 
eCost.  All good.  eCost has wonderful deals - but you gotta watch 
that fine print for refirbs.

HTH,
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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[insightinmind]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:10 AM, insightinmind wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> this is truly embarrassing. A while back, I "assigned" an alert  
>>> sound
>>> to something, and now for some reason I can't remember what
>>> application/function I assigned it to? Question: Is there a quick  
>>> way
>>> of finding out what alert sounds are assigned to what? This  
>>> submarine
>>> sound is getting the best of me today. Jeff
>>
>>
>> What OS?
>>
>> Under OS X > System Preferences > Sound > Sound Effects
>>
> Leopard 10.5.5 and "Under OS X > System Preferences > Sound > Sound
> Effects" doesn't tell me anything. Jeff


It tells you what sound the system is using.

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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[Jeffrey Engle]

>
> Many programs play alert sounds. Mail is the first one that comes to
> mind.
>
> What is your system doing just before the sound?
>
> Try quitting any unused programs.
>
> Len
>
>

Considering that Mail is the only app up at the moment... and I know  
what sound(s) it makes... this is interesting. (and yes, I've checked  
the widgets) J

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Re: Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition

[Tony Gamble]

On 15-Dec-08, at 12:32 PM, MIKO .. wrote:

> On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:05 AM, MnDel wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>> Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do
>> a  few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9
>> partition:   (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came  
>> to
>> only 8.2GB.
>> However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than
>> 1GB free space with no apps running.
>> I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look?
>> Thanks!, Del
>>
>> G4 Sawtooth 500MHz
>> 768 MB
>> 10.3.9

I use a program called Disk Inventory X ( http://www.derlien.com/ )  
that's great at giving a graphical representation of where my HD space  
is being used up.  It shows everything, including hidden folders.

  - Tony


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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[Len Gerstel]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:10 AM, insightinmind wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> this is truly embarrassing. A while back, I "assigned" an alert  
>>> sound
>>> to something, and now for some reason I can't remember what
>>> application/function I assigned it to? Question: Is there a quick  
>>> way
>>> of finding out what alert sounds are assigned to what? This  
>>> submarine
>>> sound is getting the best of me today. Jeff
>>
>>
>> What OS?
>>
>> Under OS X > System Preferences > Sound > Sound Effects
>>
>> Bill Connelly
>> artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio
>> myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio
>>
>>
>>
> Leopard 10.5.5 and "Under OS X > System Preferences > Sound > Sound
> Effects" doesn't tell me anything. Jeff

Many programs play alert sounds. Mail is the first one that comes to  
mind.

What is your system doing just before the sound?

Try quitting any unused programs.

Len
  

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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:10 AM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>> On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>>
>
>> this is truly embarrassing. A while back, I "assigned" an alert sound
>> to something, and now for some reason I can't remember what
>> application/function I assigned it to? Question: Is there a quick way
>> of finding out what alert sounds are assigned to what? This submarine
>> sound is getting the best of me today. Jeff
>
>
> What OS?
>
> Under OS X > System Preferences > Sound > Sound Effects
>
> Bill Connelly
> artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio
> myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio
>
>
>
Leopard 10.5.5 and "Under OS X > System Preferences > Sound > Sound  
Effects" doesn't tell me anything. Jeff

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Re: Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition

[MIKO ..]

Show your hidden files and folders.  You can use OnyX to do that (go  
to versiontracker.com- get panther version)...  Look to see if you  
have any "core" files to delete.  Moreover, in general, with UNIX  
files hidden, you can't just simply add up the visible files to get  
total disk usage.

A good way to find large files is to temporarily change view options  
in all folders in LIST view to "calculate all sizes"- then wait as  
this slowly happens and do a descending sort on the SIZE column in  
order to see your largest file folders and files.

Usually my largest waste-of-space files are in the Adobe folder.   
Especially the thumbnail database for Bridge.

Check the Adobe folder in Application support for an overgrown camera  
raw database or a temp file that didn't go away when Photoshop closed  
down.

Try to store your photos on an external drive and if you use Adobe  
bridge to view them, make sure that you point the camera raw database  
off the main drive or de-centralize it.

If you are low on disk space while Photoshop is open, but get it back  
when you close Photoshop, then try moving the Photoshop "scratch disk"  
to an external drive.

Try to store your iTunes music library on an external drive.

Hope these basic starting ideas help.

MIKO's Support in Snowy Deep-Frozen Seattle

On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:05 AM, MnDel wrote:

>
> Hello,
> Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do
> a  few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9
> partition:   (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came to
> only 8.2GB.
> However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than
> 1GB free space with no apps running.
> I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look?
> Thanks!, Del
>
> G4 Sawtooth 500MHz
> 768 MB
> 10.3.9
>
> >


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Re: Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:05 AM, MnDel wrote:

>
> Hello,
> Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do
> a  few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9
> partition:   (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came to
> only 8.2GB.
> However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than
> 1GB free space with no apps running.
> I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look?
> Thanks!, Del

You're not seeing the private directories not shown in the finder, but  
in general those shouldn't be taking up that much space. The only  
thing that can grow is the logs. Run Onyx or MacJanitor to clear the  
logs.

Emptied the trash lately? Have you had failed optical disk burns?

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Re: Alert sounds from where?

[insightinmind]

> On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:
>

> this is truly embarrassing. A while back, I "assigned" an alert sound
> to something, and now for some reason I can't remember what
> application/function I assigned it to? Question: Is there a quick way
> of finding out what alert sounds are assigned to what? This submarine
> sound is getting the best of me today. Jeff


What OS?

Under OS X > System Preferences > Sound > Sound Effects

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Re: Duplicating

[insightinmind]

On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to store a copy of my wifes MacBook HDD on my MDD  
> computer.
>
> How do I copy her HDD to one of my storage drives?
>
> TIA,
>
> Dan Currie

I make a backup copy (clone) of my drive on my Yikes! to an external  
FW HD connected to my QS 2002 via my Network. Both machines are  
connected to my home network via hardwire / ethernet cables.

I use CCC 3.1.3 (new version does nicely across a network). See:
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html

There are other ways to connect and copy experienced others may be  
inclined to share.

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Missing 6 GB of space in OSX partition

[MnDel]

Hello,
Since I keep getting 'startup disc is out of room' messages when I do
a  few pics in Photoshop, I totalled up everyting in my 15 GB 10.3.9
partition:   (4 folders - Apps, Users, Library, System) and it came to
only 8.2GB.
However when I click 'get info' on this partition is shows less than
1GB free space with no apps running.
I sure need to free up some HD space, where else should I look?
Thanks!, Del

G4 Sawtooth 500MHz
768 MB
10.3.9

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Duplicating

[Dan A. Currie]

Hello,

I would like to store a copy of my wifes MacBook HDD on my MDD computer.

How do I copy her HDD to one of my storage drives?

TIA,

Dan Currie

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Alert sounds from where?

[Jeffrey Engle]

this is truly embarrassing. A while back, I "assigned" an alert sound  
to something, and now for some reason I can't remember what  
application/function I assigned it to? Question: Is there a quick way  
of finding out what alert sounds are assigned to what? This submarine  
sound is getting the best of me today. Jeff

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Re: Security Fix

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 14, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote:

> I go to System Prefs->Security and yo there is a new panel on there
> I'm unfamiliar with entirely called FileVault.

A hint: it's common nickname is VileFault...don't use if you value  
your data. What it does is turn your entire home folder into an  
encrypted disk image that the system opens on login. On logout, it  
closes it.

Hmmm...and if something goes wrong and your computer crashes???



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Re: Password change

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 15-12-2008 02:24, gda1...@aol.com, gda1...@aol.com, wrote:

> I have a clamshell i book and I need to change the password and I have
> forgotten hows tgo do so: if I ever knew.   Papa Bear

Use your install-CD to boot from. In the Menu-bar you'll find the utility to
change passwords.

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