CCC 3.4.6
It's not clear what you're doing now? Are you booted in 10.4.11? I am booted in 10.4.11 and am attempting to copy the cloned 10.5.8 on Firedrive to partition 'Leopard' on computer Was the Firewire drive properly formatted and initialized for a PPC Mac, meaning the partition format is Apple Partition Format and the file system is HFS+ w/journalling? Yes If the Firewire HD is partitioned as Master Boot Record or GUID it won't boot on a PPC Mac. I am not booting from Firewire What's the EXACT error message from CCC? CCC log file? An error occurred when CCC attempted to enable ownership on the destination volume. Try enabling ownership via the volume's Get Info panel or confirm that the destination volume supports this feature CCC LOG Carbon Copy Cloner v. 3.4.6 (715): 2012-10-18 11:35:22 -0700 OS: Version 10.4 (Build 8A428) Architecture: Power Macintosh Mac model: PowerBook5,1 Number of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 1.00 GHz Memory: 0 GB Console user id:501 CCC euid: 501 Task owner: les (501) Task: Copying selected files (-psn_0_2097153) Source: FIREDRIVE Source path: /Volumes/FIREDRIVE Mount point: /Volumes/FIREDRIVE Filesystem: hfs Capacity: 114.49 GiB Used: 103.84 GiB Available: 10.64 GiB Mac OS X version: 10.5.8 UUID: EF1D9B05-FF0B-3761-848B-4E700C24C51C Device ID: /dev/disk1s3 Device vendor: DIAMOND Device model: 120G 2F7200 Device interface: FireWire Partition format: IOApplePartitionScheme Case sensitive: No Filesystem owner: 0 Ownership respected: No Destination: LEOPARD Destination path: /Volumes/LEOPARD Mount point: /Volumes/LEOPARD Filesystem: hfs Capacity: 27.77 GiB Used: 166.19 MiB Available: 27.60 GiB Mac OS X version: Mac OS not installed UUID: 95D068E6-36DC-3C8E-9DE0-5CAB7AC23AFD Device ID: /dev/disk0s5 Device vendor: Unidentified Vendor Device model: FUJITSU MHS2060AT Device interface: ATA Partition format: IOApplePartitionScheme Case sensitive: No Filesystem owner: 0 Ownership respected: Yes Settings Archive deleted items, owner: les - Protect root-level items Archive modified items Prune until 15 MB free space is available 10/18 11:35:23 Preparing... 10/18 11:35:23 Authenticating... 10/18 11:35:23 Enabling ownership on FIREDRIVE... 10/18 11:35:23 Unable to determine version of the privileged helper tool [HT: 0] [HTC: 0] 10/18 11:35:23 ALDiagnoseFailure: 0 248 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender Carbon Copy Cloner] [PID 152] [UID 501] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message ALFixFailure: / Applications/Carbon Copy Cloner.app/Contents/MacOS/InstallTool, / Applications/Carbon Copy Cloner.app/Contents/MacOS/helper_tool;] 259 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender Carbon Copy Cloner] [PID 152] [UID 501] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message ALInstall: com.bombich.ccc /Applications/Carbon Copy Cloner.app/Contents/MacOS/ InstallTool /Applications/Carbon Copy Cloner.app/Contents/MacOS/ helper_tool] 126 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender Carbon Copy Cloner] [PID 152] [UID 501] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message ALInstall: ALWrite: 0] 164 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender Carbon Copy Cloner] [PID 152] [UID 501] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message RunInstallToolAsRoot: AuthorizationExecuteWithPrivileges: 0] 235 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender InstallTool] [PID 164] [UID 0] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message InstallTool Installing: command: com.bombich.ccc /Applications/Carbon Copy Cloner.app/Contents/MacOS/ helper_tool /tmp/ALTemp-UWtg4RXf.plist] 180 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender InstallTool] [PID 164] [UID 0] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message InstallCommand: RunLaunchCtl (unload /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.bombich.ccc.plist): 0] 152 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender InstallTool] [PID 164] [UID 0] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message InstallCommand: RunLaunchCtl (remove com.bombich.ccc): 22] 158 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender InstallTool] [PID 164] [UID 0] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message InstallCommand: mkdir(/Library/ PrivilegedHelperTools 0755): 17] 253 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender InstallTool] [PID 164] [UID 0] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message InstallCommand: Tool: CopyFileOverwriting(/Applications/Carbon Copy Cloner.app/Contents/ MacOS/helper_tool, /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/com.bombich.ccc): 0] 143 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender InstallTool] [PID 164] [UID 0] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message InstallCommand: creating / Library/LaunchDaemons] 150 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender InstallTool] [PID 164] [UID 0] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message InstallCommand: mkdir(/Library/ LaunchDaemons 0755): 17] 215 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender InstallTool
Re: CCC 3.4.6
On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Les wrote: What's the EXACT error message from CCC? CCC log file? An error occurred when CCC attempted to enable ownership on the destination volume. Try enabling ownership via the volume's Get Info panel or confirm that the destination volume supports this feature Looking through the log, it's seems that CCC is trying to run as an unprivileged user: 164 [Time 1350585323] [Host] [Sender Carbon Copy Cloner] [PID 152] [UID 501] [GID 501] [Level 7] [Message RunInstallToolAsRoot: AuthorizationExecuteWithPrivileges: 0] IIRC (I don't have that version handy) CCC has a checkbox in the interface somewhere to 'run with root priveleges' make sure that's checked...it should request your authorization to run. You should be able to boot from the FW drive and run CCC from there, too. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC 3.4.6
Hi, I recently cloned my hard drive os x 10.5.8 powerbook G4/1ghz to an external firewire drive, in order to partition the drive and install OS X 10.4 on 1 partition and OS X 10.5 on the other. All went well except I cannot clone back from firewire to powerbook as I get an error message from ccc install tool cannot be found please restart I restarted and got the same message. How can I clone from firewire to powerbook? Thanks, Les -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC 3.4.6
On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Les wrote: I recently cloned my hard drive os x 10.5.8 powerbook G4/1ghz to an external firewire drive, in order to partition the drive and install OS X 10.4 on 1 partition and OS X 10.5 on the other. All went well except I cannot clone back from firewire to powerbook as I get an error message from ccc install tool cannot be found please restart I restarted and got the same message. How can I clone from firewire to powerbook? Disk Utility in 10.5.8 should have had non-destructive partitioning where you could have added a new partition to your HD without harming the original 10.5.8 partition. It would have been better to simply add a new partition, and then install 10.4.11 onto it without cloning necessary (except for emergency backup). It's not clear what you're doing now? Are you booted in 10.4.11? Does the Firewire drive boot on the PowerBook when you hold the Option key and select it? Was the Firewire drive properly formatted and initialized for a PPC Mac, meaning the partition format is Apple Partition Format and the file system is HFS+ w/journalling? If the Firewire HD is partitioned as Master Boot Record or GUID it won't boot on a PPC Mac. What's the EXACT error message from CCC? CCC log file? If your System software is fully updated, try again with a clean download of CCC, there shouldn't be any major issues like you're having, CCC is a mature product without huge issues like you're having, UNLESS something is amiss with your Firewire HD? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
You may laugh about putting a diaper around the cpu's, but the top of the G5 PSU actually comes with exactly that fixed to it on the liquid cooled models. When I asked you to check for corrosion and possible leaks, I should have told you that you must remove the heat sinks and liquid cooling system to check for leaks around the O rings of the heat sinks. You cannot see it unless you remove the G5 CPU boards from the computer. On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 4-11-2011 21:57, David W. Morris ha scritto: Have you opened up your Dual 2.7GHz G5 and removed the CPU's to check for corrosion, or leaks? Yes, I heard about this problem with liquid-cooled G5s, so when I got it I immediately opened and checked it out. No leaks or any trace whatsoever (lucky me :-). Anyway, back to the point of my message. I suggest you check any liquid cooled G5 Mac computer for leaks and corrosion, before you have a catastrophic leak and failure that damages the motherboard and PSU Now that you make me think about it... it could happen anytime. :-/ (or, since it's 6 years old now, it's tested enough?) Should I check it every now and then? The G5 sits under my desk, and it's not immediately accessible. Should I put a diaper around the CPUs, just in case? ;-D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:54 PM, David W. Morris wrote: You may laugh about putting a diaper around the cpu's, but the top of the G5 PSU actually comes with exactly that fixed to it on the liquid cooled models. When I asked you to check for corrosion and possible leaks, I should have told you that you must remove the heat sinks and liquid cooling system to check for leaks around the O rings of the heat sinks. You cannot see it unless you remove the G5 CPU boards from the computer. I was told many times that the liquid cooled Apples were a mistake. But I take issue with that, the technologic and industrial design was an Apple stroke of genius necessary to cool the monster processors, The problem was the manufacturer of the LCS's, Delphi (a GM company) was chosen and if you take a look at GM's quality track record over the last 30 years then it's telling why Panasonic saved the day. But Apple had a lot of machines out there before the problem became an issue hence the bad mark. I can fix the Delphi's and make those super G5 PM PPC machines run with the big dogs, However the folks that own most of them are professionals and don't have the where with all nor the time to do this. If you can snag a Panasonic LCS ( make sure to get the intake bezel or fashion one) It's a good choice, this machine is the last, fastest and finest PPC Apple produced. IMHO a work of industrial art. And a carrot is Apple has dropped the Mac Pro so the big box is a thing to admire. I call mine Stanley after the Stanley Steamer My friends are in awe to see a Mac with two water pumps and a radiator. My Mac Pro althohgh air cooled (Neil) is a fine companion to this work horse. :-) I guess I'm a little biased being a CNC programer and manufacturer. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
Il giorno 5-11-2011 5:54, David W. Morris ha scritto: When I asked you to check for corrosion and possible leaks, I should have told you that you must remove the heat sinks and liquid cooling system to check for leaks around the O rings of the heat sinks. You cannot see it unless you remove the G5 CPU boards from the computer. Wow, lot of work. :-| When I did my check, I just removed the metal plate covering the CPUs/Heat sinks (the one with G5 on it). If there was any significant leak, there should have been at least some trace on the floor plate below the CPUs (and there wasn't any). OTOH, taking from what John Carmonne said, if my G5 hasn't leaked anything yet, is probably the one having the (better) Panasonic LCS. Il giorno 5-11-2011 0:39, JohnCarmonne ha scritto: Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. John, is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5? I don't know anything about pumps :-) but I think there should be some sticker or sign telling the manufacturer, somewhere... Or, maybe, you can infere it from Serial number? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 5-11-2011 5:54, David W. Morris ha scritto: When I asked you to check for corrosion and possible leaks, I should have told you that you must remove the heat sinks and liquid cooling system to check for leaks around the O rings of the heat sinks. You cannot see it unless you remove the G5 CPU boards from the computer. Wow, lot of work. :-| When I did my check, I just removed the metal plate covering the CPUs/Heat sinks (the one with G5 on it). If there was any significant leak, there should have been at least some trace on the floor plate below the CPUs (and there wasn't any). OTOH, taking from what John Carmonne said, if my G5 hasn't leaked anything yet, is probably the one having the (better) Panasonic LCS. Il giorno 5-11-2011 0:39, JohnCarmonne ha scritto: Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. John, is there any easy way to tell which LCS I have on my G5? I don't know anything about pumps :-) but I think there should be some sticker or sign telling the manufacturer, somewhere... Or, maybe, you can infere it from Serial number? The easy way is to look at it with the G5 cover off and if it has copper tubes it's a Panasonic. The top of the processor has the name also you can send me a pic off- list and I can tell you. Plus not all the Delphi's will leak but it's a real problem with these machines if you need one rebuilt you can do it your self or Brian at DTT will do it cheap. http://www.dttservice.com/ John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
Everything I have read is that 10.X installs are monolithic. ie: they include everything needed for any machine that will run the OS. I know G5s can run 10.5, but we still have classic apps that we run and I have not been able to get SheepShaver working. Remote desktopping into a G4 will be a later project. It is a Dual 2.0 G5. I believe it is the 2004 dual 2.0 with pci-x slots. (at the price and speed bump from a DA dual 533 and a Sawtooth 400, I am not being picky on which dual 2.0). My plan is to install the HD for the G5 into my DA (with a SATA card) and just clone my DA HD onto it. Yes, I know a fresh install is best, but I don't have the time or organization to do that here. Any flaws? Thanks, Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 4, 2011, at 7:34 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Everything I have read is that 10.X installs are monolithic. ie: they include everything needed for any machine that will run the OS. I know G5s can run 10.5, but we still have classic apps that we run and I have not been able to get SheepShaver working. Remote desktopping into a G4 will be a later project. It is a Dual 2.0 G5. I believe it is the 2004 dual 2.0 with pci-x slots. (at the price and speed bump from a DA dual 533 and a Sawtooth 400, I am not being picky on which dual 2.0). My plan is to install the HD for the G5 into my DA (with a SATA card) and just clone my DA HD onto it. Yes, I know a fresh install is best, but I don't have the time or organization to do that here. Any flaws? Thanks, Just CCC right to the G5 PM and it will run just like the DA only faster. My G5 PM 2.7 has Tiger and Leopard on separate partitions. I also need classic. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 From iMac Core Duo 2.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
Il giorno 4-11-2011 15:34, Len Gerstel ha scritto: My plan is to install the HD for the G5 into my DA (with a SATA card) and just clone my DA HD onto it. I had the same situation (OSX 10.4.11 from G4 DA to G5 2.7) some time ago, asked about it and everybody said Go ahead, clone it! No problem at all. And they were right. :-) Only thing, if you have some app optimized for G4 processors (like TenFourFox), you better swap it with the G5 version. IMO, the fastest and simplest way to do this cloning, is thru Firewire Target disk mode: just connect the two Macs with a Firewire cable, boot the receiving (target) Mac holding down the T key, and do your cloning. No need to move HDs around. :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 4-11-2011 15:34, Len Gerstel ha scritto: My plan is to install the HD for the G5 into my DA (with a SATA card) and just clone my DA HD onto it. I had the same situation (OSX 10.4.11 from G4 DA to G5 2.7) some time ago, asked about it and everybody said Go ahead, clone it! No problem at all. And they were right. :-) That is what I figured. I just wanted to make sure before I started playing with my new toy. Only thing, if you have some app optimized for G4 processors (like TenFourFox), you better swap it with the G5 version. But at least I won't have to remember do I have a 7400 or 7410? IMO, the fastest and simplest way to do this cloning, is thru Firewire Target disk mode: just connect the two Macs with a Firewire cable, boot the receiving (target) Mac holding down the T key, and do your cloning. No need to move HDs around. :-) Tough call. I like mucking around and straight to SATA will be faster than Firewire 400. I could show off how cool the 10 year old Target Disk Mode feature is, but the coolness will be lost on the people that will be around to see it. I was mostly concerned about pci-x and the fan controls. I don't know if I am getting a hardware test disk with it. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
Il giorno 4-11-2011 18:41, Len Gerstel ha scritto: Tough call. I like mucking around and straight to SATA will be faster than Firewire 400. Sure. And it's geekier swapping disks and connecting them... :-D I was mostly concerned about pci-x and the fan controls. I don't know if I am getting a hardware test disk with it. My G5 (2,7 DP) is quite silent. During normal operations, I can barely hear any noise. Just every now and then, fans spin up for some seconds, then stop again. But it could be the liquid cooling making it much less needy for fans spinning. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 4-11-2011 18:41, Len Gerstel ha scritto: I was mostly concerned about pci-x and the fan controls. I don't know if I am getting a hardware test disk with it. My G5 (2,7 DP) is quite silent. During normal operations, I can barely hear any noise. Just every now and then, fans spin up for some seconds, then stop again. Sorry for not clarifying. I am not referring to the standard fans. I have seen may posts on the G list regarding fans running at full speed and needing to be re-calibrated. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:31 PM, JohnCarmonne wrote: You're going to need the ASD 2.5.7 to check and calibrate the fans. I have this ASD 2.5.7, but I've never actually checked and calibrated the fans. When Apple replaced the logicboard CPUs they forgot to calibrate the fans, and I didn't have ASD 2.5.7 then, so I couldn't do it myself, and it cost me another full week without my G5, plus a 120 miles of driving and a $5 toll. Now I've got ASD 2.5.7, but since I've never used it, could you give some pointers? I understand the ASD discs are dual boot? Boot the Mac, insert the ASD 2.5.7 disc, then restart, holding down the Option key to select whether to boot from the ASD Open Firmware or from the OS boot volume. You need to boot from and run both in order to do a complete test of your Mac. Before booting from the ASD disc, peruse the Read Me file to learn how to run the calibration software, which is one of the options when you get booted to an ASD volume. Easy peasy. HTH, Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
Have you opened up your Dual 2.7GHz G5 and removed the CPU's to check for corrosion, or leaks? I have both a dual 2.7GHz and dual 2.5gHz G5 PowerMac and both of them had the beginnings of leaks and considerable corrosion from the O rings, so I took them apart, cleaned off the corrosion and put them back together. I did not have replacement O rings like I should have, so I used some high heat silicone automotive gasket maker to augment the O rings and hopefully prevent any future leaks at that location. I know that it was very low tech and a bit of a hack to do it that way, but I did not want to leave the liquid coolant system open while I waited for new O rings to show up in the mail and I needed to put the systems back together to re-test the dual 2.5GHz system for someone that wanted to buy it. For some reason, only one of the two 2.5GHz G5 CPU's is being shown as working in the About this Mac menu item. When I swap the G5's from one side to the other, it is always the same side that is not working, so both of the G5 CPU's work and it must be a fault with the Motherboard, or G5 socket that is not working correctly. Anyway, back to the point of my message. I suggest you check any liquid cooled G5 Mac computer for leaks and corrosion, before you have a catastrophic leak and failure that damages the motherboard and PSU that sits under the G5 CPU's (bad design for a liquid cooled system). On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 4-11-2011 18:41, Len Gerstel ha scritto: Tough call. I like mucking around and straight to SATA will be faster than Firewire 400. Sure. And it's geekier swapping disks and connecting them... :-D I was mostly concerned about pci-x and the fan controls. I don't know if I am getting a hardware test disk with it. My G5 (2,7 DP) is quite silent. During normal operations, I can barely hear any noise. Just every now and then, fans spin up for some seconds, then stop again. But it could be the liquid cooling making it much less needy for fans spinning. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
Il giorno 4-11-2011 21:57, David W. Morris ha scritto: Have you opened up your Dual 2.7GHz G5 and removed the CPU's to check for corrosion, or leaks? Yes, I heard about this problem with liquid-cooled G5s, so when I got it I immediately opened and checked it out. No leaks or any trace whatsoever (lucky me :-). Anyway, back to the point of my message. I suggest you check any liquid cooled G5 Mac computer for leaks and corrosion, before you have a catastrophic leak and failure that damages the motherboard and PSU Now that you make me think about it... it could happen anytime. :-/ (or, since it's 6 years old now, it's tested enough?) Should I check it every now and then? The G5 sits under my desk, and it's not immediately accessible. Should I put a diaper around the CPUs, just in case? ;-D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 4-11-2011 21:57, David W. Morris ha scritto: Anyway, back to the point of my message. I suggest you check any liquid cooled G5 Mac computer for leaks and corrosion, before you have a catastrophic leak and failure that damages the motherboard and PSU Should I check it every now and then? The G5 sits under my desk, and it's not immediately accessible. Should I put a diaper around the CPUs, just in case? ;-D Diaper? Heh. There's no effective way to do that and not defeat the rather elaborate cooling system. And, the danger from leaks isn't so much to the CPUs as it is to the power supply, which lives directly underneath the CPUs and cooling system. In fact, Apple already has installed a diaper-like absorbent pad on the metal plate that covers the power supply opening. But it's only effective in catching the first drops when a leak starts, which means frequent inspections are your best bet. Or upgrade Apple's pad with one made from a spare pair of Depends. :^) Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Jim Scott wrote: On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 4-11-2011 21:57, David W. Morris ha scritto: Anyway, back to the point of my message. I suggest you check any liquid cooled G5 Mac computer for leaks and corrosion, before you have a catastrophic leak and failure that damages the motherboard and PSU Should I check it every now and then? The G5 sits under my desk, and it's not immediately accessible. Should I put a diaper around the CPUs, just in case? ;-D Diaper? Heh. There's no effective way to do that and not defeat the rather elaborate cooling system. And, the danger from leaks isn't so much to the CPUs as it is to the power supply, which lives directly underneath the CPUs and cooling system. In fact, Apple already has installed a diaper-like absorbent pad on the metal plate that covers the power supply opening. But it's only effective in catching the first drops when a leak starts, which means frequent inspections are your best bet. Or upgrade Apple's pad with one made from a spare pair of Depends. :^) Jim Scott Apple had two different LCS's in the G5 PM 2.7 the Delphi (single pump) it was pretty sure to leak and need to be rebuilt the other LCS was made by Panasonic (two pumps) that AFAIK never has leaked yet. I replaced my Delphi after two rebuilds and one Power supply with the later model Panasonic it's a much better built unit and easy to service if needed. No diaper needed:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:57 PM, David W. Morris wrote: . For some reason, only one of the two 2.5GHz G5 CPU's is being shown as working in the About this Mac menu item. When I swap the G5's from one side to the other, it is always the same side that is not working, so both of the G5 CPU's work and it must be a fault with the Motherboard, or G5 socket that is not working correctly. I pretty much can tell you the logic board is bad, Look for white traces on the board in the processor area under the clear plastic barrier, Windex may take care of that. You got nothing to lose at this point:-) But you have a chance since it boots I would remove the board and do a good cleaning, The ASD should tell you if the MOBO is dust, John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can I CCC a 10.4 from a G4 DA to a G5?
I transfered Tiger from my Quicksilver to my G5 with no problems. Been running it for about 8 months now... On Nov 4, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Everything I have read is that 10.X installs are monolithic. ie: they include everything needed for any machine that will run the OS. I know G5s can run 10.5, but we still have classic apps that we run and I have not been able to get SheepShaver working. Remote desktopping into a G4 will be a later project. It is a Dual 2.0 G5. I believe it is the 2004 dual 2.0 with pci-x slots. (at the price and speed bump from a DA dual 533 and a Sawtooth 400, I am not being picky on which dual 2.0). My plan is to install the HD for the G5 into my DA (with a SATA card) and just clone my DA HD onto it. Yes, I know a fresh install is best, but I don't have the time or organization to do that here. Any flaws? Thanks, Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC and USB: Preparing New HDDs
Hi Listers, I think this is probably a quickie -- nothing's broken, nothing's critical, I'm still in the thinking stage concerning installing bigger internal HDDs in my Quicksilver (HDDs I purchased almost 2 years ago so you see how critical this really is huh? LOL) My 2-HDD QS 867 is CCC backed-up to to my USB external HDD -- 2 HDDs, one Tiger 10.4.11, the other Panther 10.3.2. So is my G4 Mini (OS X Tiger 10.4.2) and my G3/800 iBook (OSX Tiger 10.4.11). Each Mac has its own partition on the external drive. Now I know that the only way a CCC'ed external backup is actually bootable, is if you're trying to boot an INTEL Mac with it; non-Intel Macs like mine need Firewire to boot from an external, which I no longer have (the only enclosure I could GET when my faithful old LaCie with FW finally died was USB). OK. So my question is: If I transfer the brand newly updated contents of my external HD to a new (much bigger) internal HD -- via USB and my Magic Cable -- and have that big new loaded-with-all-my-stuff HD *installed in the Quicksilver*, will it boot the Quicksilver as-is, or will I have to run an Archive-and-Install from the Tiger DVD? (and Panther CD, for THAT one)? Thanks! :-) ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC and USB: Preparing New HDDs
On Mar 13, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Yersinia wrote: Hi Listers, I think this is probably a quickie -- nothing's broken, nothing's critical, I'm still in the thinking stage concerning installing bigger internal HDDs in my Quicksilver (HDDs I purchased almost 2 years ago so you see how critical this really is huh? LOL) My 2-HDD QS 867 is CCC backed-up to to my USB external HDD -- 2 HDDs, one Tiger 10.4.11, the other Panther 10.3.2. So is my G4 Mini (OS X Tiger 10.4.2) and my G3/800 iBook (OSX Tiger 10.4.11). Each Mac has its own partition on the external drive. Now I know that the only way a CCC'ed external backup is actually bootable, is if you're trying to boot an INTEL Mac with it; non-Intel Macs like mine need Firewire to boot from an external, which I no longer have (the only enclosure I could GET when my faithful old LaCie with FW finally died was USB). OK. So my question is: Not necessarily: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20061017084322177 If I transfer the brand newly updated contents of my external HD to a new (much bigger) internal HD -- via USB and my Magic Cable -- and have that big new loaded-with-all-my-stuff HD *installed in the Quicksilver*, will it boot the Quicksilver as-is, or will I have to run an Archive-and-Install from the Tiger DVD? (and Panther CD, for THAT one)? It should boot just fine. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC and USB: Preparing New HDDs
On Mar 13, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Yersinia wrote: Now I know that the only way a CCC'ed external backup is actually bootable, is if you're trying to boot an INTEL Mac with it; non-Intel Macs like mine need Firewire to boot from an external, which I no longer have (the only enclosure I could GET when my faithful old LaCie with FW finally died was USB). OK. So my question is: If I transfer the brand newly updated contents of my external HD to a new (much bigger) internal HD -- via USB and my Magic Cable -- and have that big new loaded-with-all-my-stuff HD *installed in the Quicksilver*, will it boot the Quicksilver as-is, or will I have to run an Archive-and-Install from the Tiger DVD? (and Panther CD, for THAT one)? Thanks! :-) ~Yersinia. Almost all the PPC Mac's will boot USB external, only a few don't. You should try by making sure the drive is fully powered up with an AC source. An d use the option key. This also works with USB sticks. Also if all you have is a DVD USB drive, that Tiger disc will boot by choosing it in startup disk while booted in OS9. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
John Carmonne ... didnt you say you were doing something like cut and pasting the google group address before posting to the group? You know, something different than what the rest of us do when simply Reply'ing to a thread? Do you think you could stop doing that, and follow the usual protocol for posting to the group, thereby eliminating your double, triple, quadruple etc ... duplicate responses? You seem to be the only one who produces multiple responses ... or am I mistaken? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
Attn.: Bill Connelly FYI I have no idea what you're referring to, I post just like every one else, I have made many complaints to the Nannie's with no relief On Aug 28, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: John Carmonne ... didnt you say you were doing something like cut and pasting the google group address before posting to the group? You know, something different than what the rest of us do when simply Reply'ing to a thread? Do you think you could stop doing that, and follow the usual protocol for posting to the group, thereby eliminating your double, triple, quadruple etc ... duplicate responses? You seem to be the only one who produces multiple responses ... or am I mistaken? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from PM G5 2.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: You seem to be the only one who produces multiple responses ... or am I mistaken? You're mistaken, I've been getting random multiple repeats from a variety of members, it seems to be a travelling Google groups bug...I haven't gotten any for several days. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
On Aug 26, 2:11 pm, john CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? Well the link above clarified the image boot question but now the remaining question is how can I restore the image? I can't get Disk utility to do it. It keeps saying there's a problem. With helper file. John: Taking your original post and your second question at face value, NO, a CCC disk image is not bootable, but YES, you can restore a volume with it and that volume would be bootable. However, this is not the way most people use CCC, which is to not make a disk image but to make a bootable clone directly on an alternate volume. The CCC web site has excellent documentation: http://www.bombich.com/ccc_support.html You can download it for convenient reference. CCC's disk image capability is useful for some folks with unusual needs. At: http://help.bombich.com/faqs/dmg-and-remote/dimages there is this statement: (* Disk images themselves are not bootable, but you can mount them and restore their content to a physical hard drive to produce a bootable, exact replica of the original). Also, you can restore either by using CCC or Disk Utility: http://help.bombich.com/faqs/dmg-and-remote/dmg-restore Hope this meets your desires. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
John: Taking your original post and your second question at face value, NO, a CCC disk image is not bootable, but YES, you can restore a volume with it and that volume would be bootable. However, this is not the way most people use CCC, which is to not make a disk image but to make a bootable clone directly on an alternate volume. The CCC web site has excellent documentation: http://www.bombich.com/ccc_support.html You can download it for convenient reference. CCC's disk image capability is useful for some folks with unusual needs. At: http://help.bombich.com/faqs/dmg-and-remote/dimages there is this statement: (* Disk images themselves are not bootable, but you can mount them and restore their content to a physical hard drive to produce a bootable, exact replica of the original). Also, you can restore either by using CCC or Disk Utility: http://help.bombich.com/faqs/dmg-and-remote/dmg-restore Hope this meets your desires. Ok I know now that I can't boot the image but I stll can't get the image to restore to a HDD. I keep getting a helper error with Disk Utility. The reason to make the images is to store many volumes on a HDD without partitioning?? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC entire HDD including partitions
I need to CCC an entire HDD including 3 partitions on the drive and I can't seem to get CCC to do it nor Drive genius 3 can someone point me in the direction or am I being lazy here? :-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC entire HDD including partitions
At 3:54 PM -0700 8/27/2010, John Carmonne wrote: I need to CCC an entire HDD including 3 partitions on the drive and I can't seem to get CCC to do it nor Drive genius 3 can someone point me in the direction or am I being lazy here? You could do a block-by-block copy of a whole drive. Of course, that image would be useless unless you have a destination drive that is *exactly* of the same geometry (including bad block maps etc). Back up each file system (volume) individually. That's the point of having individual file systems (partitions) - they are separate from each other. If the issue is that you're trying to stuff them all onto one target volume,,, then back up the volumes into sparse disk images. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
At 2:34 PM -0700 8/27/2010, John Carmonne wrote: Ok I know now that I can't boot the image but I stll can't get the image to restore to a HDD. I keep getting a helper error with Disk Utility. The reason to make the images is to store many volumes on a HDD without partitioning?? Use CCC to restore the image. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
On Aug 27, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Dan wrote: At 2:34 PM -0700 8/27/2010, John Carmonne wrote: Ok I know now that I can't boot the image but I stll can't get the image to restore to a HDD. I keep getting a helper error with Disk Utility. The reason to make the images is to store many volumes on a HDD without partitioning?? Use CCC to restore the image. - Dan. -- That makes sense I didn't try that because the CCC link says Disk Utility Restore works but so far IDTS. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC entire HDD including partitions
On Aug 27, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Dan wrote: At 3:54 PM -0700 8/27/2010, John Carmonne wrote: I need to CCC an entire HDD including 3 partitions on the drive and I can't seem to get CCC to do it nor Drive genius 3 can someone point me in the direction or am I being lazy here? You could do a block-by-block copy of a whole drive. Of course, that image would be useless unless you have a destination drive that is *exactly* of the same geometry (including bad block maps etc). Back up each file system (volume) individually. That's the point of having individual file systems (partitions) - they are separate from each other. If the issue is that you're trying to stuff them all onto one target volume,,, then back up the volumes into sparse disk images. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Bummer I was trying to be cheapo on the CCC for an entire HDD to create another with one click instead of three. I have a drive that has three boot volumes and I wanted to just copy the entire drive without making the separate partitions and then CCC each volume:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
Greetings What is a CCC image, CCC copies one disk to another, its not a image, it is a CLONE I can not find any option in CCC to make an image. Images are made if you use Apples Disk Utility, If you make a xxx,img using Disk Utility you can open (mount) the xxx.img as a disk or restore it to a disk. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca On Aug 25, 8:35 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
At 10:45 -0700 8/26/10, gifutiger wrote: What is a CCC image, CCC copies one disk to another, its not a image, it is a CLONE I can not find any option in CCC to make an image. Images are made if you use Apples Disk Utility, If you make a xxx,img using Disk Utility you can open (mount) the xxx.img as a disk or restore it to a disk. In the ancient history of floppy disks and magnetic tapes an image was a bit for bit copy, the word being stolen from the concept of a photographic image which could never be modified. How meanings change when Photoshop enters the scene. But it's pretty clear that the OP was using the old definition of image rather than the stolen word, reduced to a file type - .img, common to Apple's distributions which are actually compressed data. And clone has the same problems, especially when used for race horses. -- -- Give me liberty or give me Obamacare -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:45 AM, gifutiger wrote: Greetings What is a CCC image, CCC copies one disk to another, its not a image, it is a CLONE I can not find any option in CCC to make an image. Images are made if you use Apples Disk Utility, If you make a xxx,img using Disk Utility you can open (mount) the xxx.img as a disk or restore it to a disk. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca Harry look a little harder under select a target New Disk Image . John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2g646lf Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? Well the link above clarified the image boot question but now the remaining question is how can I restore the image? I can't get Disk utility to do it. It keeps saying there's a problem. With helper file. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
When I replaced my boot drive with a larger one, I booted off the original drive, and cloned over to the larger one. There is a message that comes up, if you have set it up right, that says that the copy will be bootable.. Mine was. After the drive swap I noticed no difference in the operation of the system. I have only used CCC once so I am not as fluent as others on this list are with the program. But I can see no reason why it wouldn't be able to make a bootable backup, and you shouldn't have any trouble restoring it to the original. Sadly, the only way to be sure that everything works with the hardware you have chosen, is to actually do it. Best of luck. Gus On Aug 25, 10:35 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC image bootable?
Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
http://tinyurl.com/2g646lf Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
We all know that I can back up iCal, Address book and safari bookmarks within the applications themselves, BUT I would like to set up CCC to do backups of iCal, Address book and Safari bookmarks ( and no, I don't want to clone the whole user) Question is, where are the files that are associated with these apps? I know where Address book is, but the other two? Is this even possible? Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
Stink, I can increment backup the source, but not the destination so I can't do what I wanted to anyway... :-( Jeff earlier. We all know that I can back up iCal, Address book and safari bookmarks within the applications themselves, BUT I would like to set up CCC to do backups of iCal, Address book and Safari bookmarks ( and no, I don't want to clone the whole user) Question is, where are the files that are associated with these apps? I know where Address book is, but the other two? Is this even possible? Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
At 11:48 AM -0700 7/3/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: We all know that I can back up iCal, Address book and safari bookmarks within the applications themselves, BUT I would like to set up CCC to do backups of iCal, Address book and Safari bookmarks ( and no, I don't want to clone the whole user) Question is, where are the files that are associated with these apps? I know where Address book is, but the other two? Is this even possible? You're talking about picking things out of ~/Library/Application Support/, ~/Library/Preferences, ~/Library/appname, and perhaps other places ... And worse, this issue would have to be revisited *every time* those apps were updated. I guess you could just grab all of ~/Library. But that won't follow aliases etc. IMO, you'd be much better off making a CCC of /Users, then creating a job to update it incrementally. Mine runs every day at 5:02. Takes between 10 and 30 mins (depends on how active I've been that day). Oh, tell CCC to ignore Library/Caches There's nothing there you ever need or want. If space on the backup device is an issue... You could tell it to ignore your music and movies too... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
On Jul 3, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Dan wrote: At 11:48 AM -0700 7/3/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: We all know that I can back up iCal, Address book and safari bookmarks within the applications themselves, BUT I would like to set up CCC to do backups of iCal, Address book and Safari bookmarks ( and no, I don't want to clone the whole user) Question is, where are the files that are associated with these apps? I know where Address book is, but the other two? Is this even possible? You're talking about picking things out of ~/Library/Application Support/, ~/Library/Preferences, ~/Library/appname, and perhaps other places ... And worse, this issue would have to be revisited *every time* those apps were updated. I guess you could just grab all of ~/Library. But that won't follow aliases etc. IMO, you'd be much better off making a CCC of /Users, then creating a job to update it incrementally. Mine runs every day at 5:02. Takes between 10 and 30 mins (depends on how active I've been that day). Oh, tell CCC to ignore Library/Caches There's nothing there you ever need or want. If space on the backup device is an issue... You could tell it to ignore your music and movies too... - Dan. How do I tell CCC to ignore library caches?? looking for that box to uncheck? can't find it. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC and backing up iCal, Address book, Safari
At 12:16 PM -0700 7/3/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote: IMO, you'd be much better off making a CCC of /Users, then creating a job to update it incrementally. Mine runs every day at 5:02. Takes between 10 and 30 mins (depends on how active I've been that day). Oh, tell CCC to ignore Library/Caches There's nothing there you ever need or want. If space on the backup device is an issue... You could tell it to ignore your music and movies too... How do I tell CCC to ignore library caches?? looking for that box to uncheck? can't find it. Select the source. Hit the gear pop-up to the right of that, and pick Edit Filters. Click Show Avanced Options Then add an entry to the Custom Rules list. Change the field it creates to be exactly - Library/Caches Note the - sign. That means exclude. Leave off the initial /. That way it will match both /Library/Caches and /Users/jeff/Library/Caches etc. If you hit the ? button in that dialog, it will display instructions. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
I'd like to use CCC to backup drives over a network. Or do I need a different application. I want to do some backups on my drives that are connected to machines via Ethernet I've never tried using CCC for daily backup. For daily backup I use ChronoSync to backup our network. It's very versatile and only $40. I've used it for years and all of the upgrades are free. Geno -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
At 9:39 AM -0700 5/23/2010, geno.y wrote: I'd like to use CCC to backup drives over a network. Or do I need a different application. I want to do some backups on my drives that are connected to machines via Ethernet I've never tried using CCC for daily backup. For daily backup I use ChronoSync to backup our network. It's very versatile and only $40. I've used it for years and all of the upgrades are free. Sync is NOT equal to Backup. Two totally different functions that serve totally different purposes. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
Sync is NOT equal to Backup. Two totally different functions that serve totally different purposes. - Dan. If you only sync from a to b it's a backup. Geno -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
On May 23, 2010, at 2:26 PM, geno.y wrote: Sync is NOT equal to Backup. Two totally different functions that serve totally different purposes. - Dan. If you only sync from a to b it's a backup. Geno Well maybe if you only sync then you get a bad backup?? CCC will tell you if the copy will be bootable. I think that's the way it works. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
Well maybe if you only sync then you get a bad backup?? CCC will tell you if the copy will be bootable. I think that's the way it works. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 I just looked at the CCC web site, seem they offer a full version of the program for free now. IIRC the last time I used ccc there were features not included in the free version. You said you wanted to backup over a network so I was thinking files not boot drive. But the ccc web site has a help desk and the web site says you can use it over a network. Geno -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
At 3:05 PM -0700 5/23/2010, geno.y wrote: I just looked at the CCC web site, seem they offer a full version of the program for free now. IIRC the last time I used ccc there were features not included in the free version. CCC has been free shareware since I started using it back in 2005. At NO time have any features been unavailable to unpaid users. Mike Bombich, the author, is quite specific about that. This page contains a very polite request for donations. In lieu of that, CCC now displays ads... http://www.bombich.com/donate.html Perhaps you have it confused with the commercialware SuperDuper? You have to pay for SuperDuper to enable more than its basic cloning feature. (and even then, afaik, SuperDuper doesn't do incremental/versioning). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
On May 23, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Dan wrote: At 3:05 PM -0700 5/23/2010, geno.y wrote: I just looked at the CCC web site, seem they offer a full version of the program for free now. IIRC the last time I used ccc there were features not included in the free version. CCC has been free shareware since I started using it back in 2005. At NO time have any features been unavailable to unpaid users. Mike Bombich, the author, is quite specific about that. This page contains a very polite request for donations. In lieu of that, CCC now displays ads... http://www.bombich.com/donate.html Perhaps you have it confused with the commercialware SuperDuper? You have to pay for SuperDuper to enable more than its basic cloning feature. (and even then, afaik, SuperDuper doesn't do incremental/versioning). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Well I think I'll tackle the disk image save over my Ethernet to start with I hope it's as clean as CCC on a local drive. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC on network?
Hi All I'd like to use CCC to backup drives over a network. Is there a way to do it? Or do I need a different application. I have RsyncX and I can use it to do copy folders and such. It has a scheduling option but it's too difficult for me to setup so far. I really would like to use CCC because it's such an easy and steady application to schedule, but it seems it only will work on drives connected to the same machine. I want to do some backups on my drives that are connected to machines via Ethernet John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC on network?
On May 22, 2010, at 10:07 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi All I'd like to use CCC to backup drives over a network. Is there a way to do it? Or do I need a different application. I have RsyncX and I can use it to do copy folders and such. It has a scheduling option but it's too difficult for me to setup so far. I really would like to use CCC because it's such an easy and steady application to schedule, but it seems it only will work on drives connected to the same machine. I want to do some backups on my drives that are connected to machines via Ethernet I use to backup from my Digital Audio Dual 533 over my home network, to my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz, on the same network, with a USB/FW External Harddrive attached to the QS. I would backup to the external drive ... not the internal one with the OS X on it ... There's a section on how to do it in the CCC documentation: CCC 3.3.2 Carbon Copy Cloner Help I want to backup my important data to another Macintosh on my network Learn more about backing up your data to another Macintosh over a network IIRC, you have to be careful how you name the partitions, and make sure you spell their names correctly as Targets. I now choose to move my external drive from machine to machine, as it seems safer to CCC locally, and not over a network. Network backup works though, once you've set things up with the Authentication Credentials and such. Good luck. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time machine or CCC?
On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:50 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Thought of something... anybody know if time machine and CCC can run at the same time? Jeff -- You might consider if complications occur due to Spotlight starting up. I believe there is at least a time to completion issue ... IIRC, there was something on CCCs site at one time about it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time machine or CCC?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Thought of something... anybody know if time machine and CCC can run at the same time? Jeff At the *very* same time, you'll likely run into some disk contention and slowness, but otherwise yeah they're separate programs: it's just like running Word and Text edit or Safari and Firefox ... You cannot use a Time Machine volume as the destination for a CCC backup; you'll need separate disks. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time machine or CCC?
On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Thought of something... anybody know if time machine and CCC can run at the same time? Jeff At the *very* same time, you'll likely run into some disk contention and slowness, but otherwise yeah they're separate programs: it's just like running Word and Text edit or Safari and Firefox ... You cannot use a Time Machine volume as the destination for a CCC backup; you'll need separate disks. -- Bruce Johnson Yup, there both on separate disks. I did encounter a bad problem when a CCC task came up while I was doing a disk utility wipe on the same drive once. Totally locked everything up and I couldn't recover from it on both the clone and the main boot drive/partition. I ended up doing a nuke pave. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time machine or CCC?
Perhaps it would be more desirable not to schedule CCC but initiate it manually. MS --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Time machine or CCC? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 8:05 AM On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Thought of something... anybody know if time machine and CCC can run at the same time? Jeff At the *very* same time, you'll likely run into some disk contention and slowness, but otherwise yeah they're separate programs: it's just like running Word and Text edit or Safari and Firefox ... You cannot use a Time Machine volume as the destination for a CCC backup; you'll need separate disks. --Bruce Johnson Yup, there both on separate disks. I did encounter a bad problem when a CCC task came up while I was doing a disk utility wipe on the same drive once. Totally locked everything up and I couldn't recover from it on both the clone and the main boot drive/partition. I ended up doing a nuke pave. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time machine or CCC?
On Jan 6, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Mel wrote: Perhaps it would be more desirable not to schedule CCC but initiate it manually. MS Ya, that's probably what I'll do... Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Time machine or CCC?
Thought of something... anybody know if time machine and CCC can run at the same time? Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time machine or CCC?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 9:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Thought of something... anybody know if time machine and CCC can run at the same time? Jeff -- Yes John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
At 5:23 PM -0600 11/16/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: Some of the missing data folders seem to lock up requiring force quit. How do folder lock up? Click on folder/mailbox and clock just sets there. Never shows the colored spinner. Sounds like the folder is corrupted in some way. Try creating a new folder (on your source), move all the files into it, then trashing the original. Well I still don't know what I was doing wrong w/ CCC. I tried Super Duper and had same isues. The strange thing is I started and stoped t-bird 2-3 times and all the mail seems to be back. Maybe I should of done that w/ t-bird. I am happy for now. Maybe I'll take time later to try again as soon as I find a 80 + gig drive in my collection. Pls lemme know when you do - I'm curious to see what's happening. Ran a few tests here and CCC seems fine grabbing/moving Thunderbird files. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
Dan wrote: At 5:23 PM -0600 11/16/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: Some of the missing data folders seem to lock up requiring force quit. How do folder lock up? snip Pls lemme know when you do - I'm curious to see what's happening. Ran a few tests here and CCC seems fine grabbing/moving Thunderbird files. - Dan. Had a thought: could it be that t-bird was rebuilding the folders slowly and not showing action with/via the cursor? If the problem shows up when I test I'll let it set for 24 hours. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
At 10:06 AM -0600 11/18/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: Had a thought: could it be that t-bird was rebuilding the folders slowly and not showing action with/via the cursor? If the problem shows up when I test I'll let it set for 24 hours. Is possible; I donno enough about the workings of Thunderbird to say really. Always do your primary backup with nothing else running. With incrementals, it's a judgement call... Backing up files while other apps are running / using the HD, is always a hit'n'miss proposition. FWIW, I've seen Eudora get a death grip on mailboxes, causing SuperDuper to hang. So now I quit Eudora at 5pm daily, just in case, right before my scheduled CCC incremental job runs at 5:01). (even tho I've never seen such a problem with CCC). I also dismount my encrypted sparse images, so CCC backs them up fully. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
Dan wrote: At 10:06 AM -0600 11/18/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: snip Always do your primary backup with nothing else running. With incrementals, it's a judgement call... Backing up files while other apps are running / using the HD, is always a hit'n'miss proposition. I tried the last t-bird attempt from another drive. When I did superduper I also used another drive. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
At 11:48 AM -0600 11/18/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: Always do your primary backup with nothing else running. With incrementals, it's a judgement call... Backing up files while other apps are running / using the HD, is always a hit'n'miss proposition. I tried the last t-bird attempt from another drive. When I did superduper I also used another drive. Check you system log to make sure there weren't any i/o errors being thrown. :\ heh. Playin with Thunderbird a bit here (always looking for a replacement for Eudora). It's crashed three times on me so far. sigh. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
On 11/18/09 11:21 AM, Dan wrote: It's crashed three times on me so far. sigh. Sorry to hear that Dan, I have T-bird on 3.0b4 and have never had it crash, even though it's holding, while running thousands of unread e-Mails...mostly from this group. And I'm on super slow machine, by today's standards. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
Dan wrote: At 11:09 PM -0600 11/14/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: latest attempt. Still missing some messages although folders are showing empty sub folders. Is Thunderbird running when you're making the backup? I've got a thunderbird set-up here - and it backs up fine, fwiw. You're running the backup from an admin account, yes? Yes And when you check the backup, you're doing it from an account that is able to see within those folders, or using sudo from Terminal? admin yes Some of the missing data folders seem to lock up requiring force quit. How do folder lock up? Click on folder/mailbox and clock just sets there. Never shows the colored spinner. Force quit of what? T-bird Not sure what you mean here. see above Cloning method: Incremental backup of selected items Delete: No Protect: No Archive: No Compress: No Check delete, protect, and archive. That will tell CCC to maintain the _CCC incremental folders - so you can see what's been replaced from backup to backup. - Dan. Well I still don't know what I was doing wrong w/ CCC. I tried Super Duper and had same isues. The strange thing is I started and stoped t-bird 2-3 times and all the mail seems to be back. Maybe I should of done that w/ t-bird. I am happy for now. Maybe I'll take time later to try again as soon as I find a 80 + gig drive in my collection. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhoto home movies disappear using CCC
On Nov 14, 7:25 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trusting in CCC for 2-3 years and now I'm heart sick to find that some of my home movies have gone bye-bye. The movies look to be there, but when you double click them to watch them, there is no time duration all you get is 0:00 and all that's left is a photo representation of the movie that used to be there. I've been backing up to other drives for a long time as my iphoto library is very large and had no reason till now to believe that anything was amiss. I hope time machine is better :-( Jeff I cannot hope to help solve this problem, but for the sake of providing more information, I'd like to pose a few questions where your answers may help Dan and others understand your situation. How have you excluded other possible causes? When did you last make a successful retrieval from the backups? Have you moved iPhoto contents from one media to another since then? Have you upgraded the OS since then?, updated iPhoto since then? I have the vague impression that some folks have lost the connection to their photos for several reasons not related to CCC. What settings have you been using in CCC? Has Time Machine been better? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhoto home movies disappear using CCC
I don't know anything about CCC, but last month I had a big hard drive drop dead in my G5 that was full of movies, made by iMovie, Final Cut Express, and Final Cut Pro. But fortunately I have this G5 connected to a 1 TB external hard drive with Time Machine backing up to it, and it saved the day. I put a new hard drive in the G5 and told Time Machine to restore the data from the dead drive to it, and it worked perfectly. Every restored movie launches and runs just fine, and the OS was also restored and boots up without a hitch. After the restore process was done (it took hours) it was as if the original drive had never died; everything was back to normal and works great. Another thing: since Time Machine makes hourly backups, when I'm editing video and really screw something up, all I have to do is enter Time Machine and go back a few hours to get an earlier version of the movie and start over. Very convenient. So I can certainly recommend and endorse Time Machine. Tom -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhoto home movies disappear using CCC
At 4:25 PM -0800 11/14/2009, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I've been trusting in CCC for 2-3 years and now I'm heart sick to find OS? CCC version? Any errors being thrown into system log or ccc log? that some of my home movies have gone bye-bye. The movies look to be there, but when you double click them to watch them, there is no time duration all you get is 0:00 and all that's left is a photo representation of the movie that used to be there. You're trying to open the movie from within iPhoto or Finder? Are the files physically the right size? I've been backing up to other drives for a long time as my iphoto library is very large and had no reason till now to believe that anything was amiss. What steps have you taken to re-point iPhoto to your backup? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhoto home movies disappear using CCC
On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Al Poulin wrote: On Nov 14, 7:25 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trusting in CCC for 2-3 years and now I'm heart sick to find that some of my home movies have gone bye-bye. The movies look to be there, but when you double click them to watch them, there is no time duration all you get is 0:00 and all that's left is a photo representation of the movie that used to be there. I've been backing up to other drives for a long time as my iphoto library is very large and had no reason till now to believe that anything was amiss. I hope time machine is better :-( Jeff I cannot hope to help solve this problem, but for the sake of providing more information, I'd like to pose a few questions where your answers may help Dan and others understand your situation. How have you excluded other possible causes? Since iphoto is the only program that's relatively untouched by anything else but CCC, That was my conclusion. I might be wrong here... When did you last make a successful retrieval from the backups? 2007 Have you moved iPhoto contents from one media to another since then? only from one drive to another via CCC Have you upgraded the OS since then? No , updated iPhoto since then? I have upgraded iPhoto I have the vague impression that some folks have lost the connection to their photos for several reasons not related to CCC. What settings have you been using in CCC? Has Time Machine been better? I've always used CCC in the past simply because it make a bootable backup. The last time I used Time Machine over a network connection with my macbook I had problems with it. The one thing that hasn't failed me so far is simply burning to disks and that's what I'm going to continue to do from now on. Jeff Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
At 11:09 PM -0600 11/14/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: latest attempt. Still missing some messages although folders are showing empty sub folders. Is Thunderbird running when you're making the backup? I've got a thunderbird set-up here - and it backs up fine, fwiw. You're running the backup from an admin account, yes? And when you check the backup, you're doing it from an account that is able to see within those folders, or using sudo from Terminal? Some of the missing data folders seem to lock up requiring force quit. How do folder lock up? Force quit of what? Not sure what you mean here. Cloning method: Incremental backup of selected items Delete: No Protect: No Archive: No Compress: No Check delete, protect, and archive. That will tell CCC to maintain the _CCC incremental folders - so you can see what's been replaced from backup to backup. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhoto home movies disappear using CCC
On Nov 15, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Dan wrote: At 4:25 PM -0800 11/14/2009, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I've been trusting in CCC for 2-3 years and now I'm heart sick to find OS? 10.5.8 CCC version? 3.2.1 Any errors being thrown into system log or ccc log? I lost the video's to long ago to know this info? that some of my home movies have gone bye-bye. The movies look to be there, but when you double click them to watch them, there is no time duration all you get is 0:00 and all that's left is a photo representation of the movie that used to be there. You're trying to open the movie from within iPhoto or Finder? within iPhoto Are the files physically the right size? No, they're reduced to 0.00 I've been backing up to other drives for a long time as my iphoto library is very large and had no reason till now to believe that anything was amiss. What steps have you taken to re-point iPhoto to your backup? Yes, I admit, it's been 2 years since my last backup. UPDATE.. I managed to find the lost movies on a 2007 backup.. question now is, how do I add the movies to the right event without creating a new event? Jeff - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
iPhoto home movies disappear using CCC
I've been trusting in CCC for 2-3 years and now I'm heart sick to find that some of my home movies have gone bye-bye. The movies look to be there, but when you double click them to watch them, there is no time duration all you get is 0:00 and all that's left is a photo representation of the movie that used to be there. I've been backing up to other drives for a long time as my iphoto library is very large and had no reason till now to believe that anything was amiss. I hope time machine is better :-( Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird update 1
Dan wrote: At 7:55 PM -0600 11/13/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: 23:47:52Verifying exclusive access to source volume... 23:47:52Aborting block-level clone, starting over with file-level clone. You don't want a block-level clone - block for block, *error for error*. The point of a backup is to be accessible -- so set CCC to do an Incremental Backup - even when initially populating the backup volume. That way it generates a NEW / CLEAN file system. - Dan. latest attempt. Still missing some messages although folders are showing empty sub folders. Appears to have more messages now but not all. Some of the missing data folders seem to lock up requiring force quit. I used incremental clone. Ran disk repair (and repair permissions although I know it shouldn't affect problem). log Carbon Copy Cloner (v. 3.3): 2009-11-14 13:46:35 -0600 Operating System: Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) Hardware: hw.machine: Power Macintosh hw.model: PowerMac3,6 hw.logicalcpu: 1 hw.physmem: 2147483648 vm.loadavg: 1.27 1.36 1.00 Task: Copying selected files (-psn_0_2883585) Source: mdd1.0 d2 (/dev/disk1s3, 9B59AA28-32FB-3AE0-A300-B3CA1E1D1900) Mount point: / Filesystem: hfs Capacity: 68.44 GiB Used: 48.19 GiB Available: 20.25 GiB Mac OS X version: 10.4.11 Target: mdd1.0 d3 180 (/Volumes/mdd1.0 d3 180/ [/dev/disk2s3, A5E6D052-379C-3570-8EA1-1285EB351CEA]) Mount point: /Volumes/mdd1.0 d3 180 Filesystem: hfs Capacity: 172.43 GiB Used: 63.71 MiB Available: 172.37 GiB Mac OS X version: Mac OS not installed Bootability: This volume will be bootable. Cloning method: Incremental backup of selected items Delete: No Protect: No Archive: No Compress: No 13:46:35The target volume has ownership enabled. 13:46:35ACLs are not enabled on the source volume, not enabling them on the target volume. 13:46:35Authenticating... 13:47:32Initiating synchronization engine... 13:47:32Building a list of items to be considered for backup 13:53:25Preparing to copy, total items to consider: 561909 13:53:25Build time: 353.168 13:53:50Comparing selected items on the source and target... 15:44:22Hiding files that should be hidden... 15:44:22Blessing the target volume... 15:44:23The backup operation has completed. Elapsed time: 01:56:51 15:44:23Summary statistics: Data copied: 46.48 GiB [Please see http://www.bombich.com/software/docs/CCCHelp/CCCHelp.html?page=debug for a comment about this figure] Regular files copied: 442488 Directories: 109595 Regular files: 445042 Symlinks: 7238 Devices: 0 Special files: 34 Hard links: 2554 Extended attributes: 40575 (129.22 MiB) 18:48:02Launched Carbon Copy Cloner [3.3] on Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) Carbon Copy Cloner (v. 3.3): 2009-11-14 18:48:27 -0600 Operating System: Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165) Hardware: hw.machine: Power Macintosh hw.model: PowerMac3,6 hw.logicalcpu: 1 hw.physmem: 2147483648 vm.loadavg: 1.49 1.27 1.08 Task: Copying selected files (-psn_0_2359297) Source: mdd1.0 d2 (/dev/disk2s3, 9B59AA28-32FB-3AE0-A300-B3CA1E1D1900) Mount point: / Filesystem: hfs Capacity: 68.44 GiB Used: 48.21 GiB Available: 20.22 GiB Mac OS X version: 10.4.11 Target: mdd1.0 d3 180 (/Volumes/mdd1.0 d3 180/ [/dev/disk0s3, A5E6D052-379C-3570-8EA1-1285EB351CEA]) Mount point: /Volumes/mdd1.0 d3 180 Filesystem: hfs Capacity: 172.43 GiB Used: 48.02 GiB Available: 124.41 GiB Mac OS X version: 10.4.11 Bootability: This volume will be bootable. Cloning method: Incremental backup of selected items Delete: No Protect: No Archive: No Compress: No 18:48:28The target volume has ownership enabled. 18:48:28ACLs are not enabled on the source volume, not enabling them on the target volume. 18:48:28Authenticating... 18:49:11Initiating synchronization engine... 18:49:11Building a list of items to be considered for backup 18:55:03Preparing to copy, total items to consider: 562018 18:55:03Build time: 351.419 18:55:28Comparing selected items on the source and target... 19:00:30Hiding files that should be hidden... 19:00:30Blessing the target volume... 19:00:31The backup operation has completed. Elapsed time: 00:11:20 19:00:32Summary statistics: Data copied: 991.66 MiB [Please see http://www.bombich.com/software/docs/CCCHelp/CCCHelp.html?page=debug for a comment
CCC hosed t-bird
My 4th time to use CCC. MDD 1 gig, 2 gig ram 80 gig to 180 gig clone, OS X.4.11 T-bird version 2.0.0.23 (20090812) CCC Version 3.3 (3.3) Not all the folders and sub folders in T-bird mail cloned properly. Lost some folders but other folders no contents.Used defaults in CCC. Any tips/hints? I'll try again tonight. Charles -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird
At 6:37 AM -0600 11/13/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: My 4th time to use CCC. MDD 1 gig, 2 gig ram 80 gig to 180 gig clone, OS X.4.11 T-bird version 2.0.0.23 (20090812) CCC Version 3.3 (3.3) Not all the folders and sub folders in T-bird mail cloned properly. Lost some folders but other folders no contents.Used defaults in CCC. Any tips/hints? What does it say in CCC's log? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird
On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Dan wrote: At 6:37 AM -0600 11/13/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: My 4th time to use CCC. MDD 1 gig, 2 gig ram 80 gig to 180 gig clone, OS X.4.11 T-bird version 2.0.0.23 (20090812) CCC Version 3.3 (3.3) Not all the folders and sub folders in T-bird mail cloned properly. Lost some folders but other folders no contents.Used defaults in CCC. Any tips/hints? What does it say in CCC's log? - Dan. -- Observation: On the latest version of CCC, under 10.5.8, I started getting could not copy some files because they were of the same name but different type. (Mainly concerned a new version of VLC). A solution was to allow CCC to delete files on the Target, that were not on the Source. Don't understand the complete ramifications of doing so, but the clone was completed without error. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird
At 10:15 AM -0500 11/13/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On the latest version of CCC, under 10.5.8, I started getting could not copy some files because they were of the same name but different type. (Mainly concerned a new version of VLC). A solution was to allow CCC to delete files on the Target, that were not on the Source. Sometimes rsync barfs when it tries to move the old files into the incremental directory. That's probably what you're describing - but can't really tell without seeing the log. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird
Dan wrote: At 10:15 AM -0500 11/13/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: On the latest version of CCC, under 10.5.8, I started getting could not copy some files because they were of the same name but different type. (Mainly concerned a new version of VLC). A solution was to allow CCC to delete files on the Target, that were not on the Source. Sometimes rsync barfs when it tries to move the old files into the incremental directory. That's probably what you're describing - but can't really tell without seeing the log. - Dan. This was the first time for cloneing to new/larger drive. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird
At 7:55 PM -0600 11/13/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: 23:47:52Verifying exclusive access to source volume... 23:47:52Aborting block-level clone, starting over with file-level clone. You don't want a block-level clone - block for block, *error for error*. The point of a backup is to be accessible -- so set CCC to do an Incremental Backup - even when initially populating the backup volume. That way it generates a NEW / CLEAN file system. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC hosed t-bird
Yes and after the first such back up, the subsequent backups usually complete in less than six minutes when backing up about 14 GB of software and data which is all I carry on my 533 DP G4 DA running under OS 10.4.11. --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CCC hosed t-bird To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:19 PM At 7:55 PM -0600 11/13/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: 23:47:52 Verifying exclusive access to source volume... 23:47:52 Aborting block-level clone, starting over with file-level clone. You don't want a block-level clone - block for block, *error for error*. The point of a backup is to be accessible -- so set CCC to do an Incremental Backup - even when initially populating the backup volume. That way it generates a NEW / CLEAN file system. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
External FW HD/CCC Update, and G4 Mac Mini -- Help!
Hiya Listers, I'm sorry I didn't update anybody with the issue I had getting the contents of my two internal HDs on my G4/867 Quicksilver cloned to the OWC external FW drive, but I only just got it solved the day before yesterday. Nothing worked until CCC came out with an update to version 3.3 the day before yesterday. I downloaded it, it installed itself, and THEN finally, I got those cloned firewire backups! The data is all there, anyway, which was all I had on my original external backup drive; I can't test their bootability because the Quicksilver has decided not to do Option/Restarts anymore (and that's a subject for another post, although I think I should try it with another keyboard first in case maybe it's just that the Option keys aren't working on this one). However, since I did get the OWC FW drive up and running as the new, bigger backup, I decided it was time to get my new Mini set up (and, so I thought, maybe ITS Option-Restart would work and I could test the OWC backups for bootability on there (not to mention I need to pull stuff from there into the Mini anyway). So about this Mini here. I bought it on the Swap List a couple months ago. When it arrived, I hooked it up to a spare monitor, mouse and keyboard, and it booted up just fine. Thing is, I wanted to zero its HD and reinstall the OS to make it all mine. Since it came with its original system disks, I'd be able to do it, so I thought. The Mini is a G4 1.5 GHz with Tiger 10.4.2. I bought it specifically because it's way wonderfully hot to play a retro game (the 1.5 GHz processor and its 1 GB RAM) AND because its running 10.4.2, the highest OS which won't muck up aspects of the graphics on my Sims game -- I want to make the Mini my pure Simming machine -- I planned to take my installations of the game off the Quicksilver once I get them up and running on the Mini. Okay, so yesterday evening I cleaned up the Mini, but noticed some IMO weird stuff during the OS installation and setup: 1. Booted from system disk with C-key and used Disk Utility to zero off the HD -- but there was never any option to format the drive with OS 9 drivers. I know this Mini cannot BOOT in OS 9, which is fine, but it SHOULD be able to run Classic Mode, which I'd LIKE if possible. Don't I need the OS 9 drivers installed to set it up to be able to run Classic? The actual installation of the OS from the system disks goes OK (and apparently the second of the two has OS 9 for Classic on it so I assume it's being installed somehow despite the lack of being able to adjust the disk reformat to include OS 9 drivers), but at the end when it goes into the Welcome To Tiger part where you configure your setup, either it got weird or I screwed up big time. Here's what happened: 2. When it asked me if I wanted to transfer my settings from another Mac, I got the (not so?) bright idea that maybe instead of entering them all in one at a time, maybe I could bring them in from my Memory Alpha Firewire partition -- and Firewire is hot swappable, right? -- so I clicked transfer from another Mac and plugged a Firewire cable from the Mini's FW port to the second port in the OWC external drive. Result: the monitor went dark and I think the Mini did too. I say I THINK the Mini did too because I couldn't tell! I shuddered to do this but it was the only way I could think to to make sure the Mini would be off so I could try rebooting it again: power strip off, then power strip on. I never ever do this when I can think of any other options, but I didn't know what else to do in this case. In any event, it wouldn't boot and I ended up doing it a few times. In each instance from the beginning: A. Mini would not boot pressing power switch alone, from its own HD (probably since I hadn't gotten done configuring my account?). B. Mini would not boot from the system disk (me pressing the C-key). Which leaves me with a system disk trapped in the machine which I can't get out. So, C. Mini would not boot when I held down the power button and the mouse's left side clicker, so... D. Finally got it to boot/spit out the disk when I connected a one button regular old Apple optical mouse to it. So I count my blessings and configure my account manually. When that's done, I check System Preferences and note, happily, that the Mini's HD is now the startup disk, but, not so happily -- there is no 9 or any other indication of a place to set Classic preferences. I then reinsert the second system disk which had the OS 9 on it and tried to install the OS 9 but the machine says I don't have to. Also by this time I notice the little tiny light on the lower right from the CD/DVD slot. Okay, I reluctantly decide to live without being able to run Classic on this machine, I eject the disk, and now it's time to move those Sims games from the Firewire external HD into the Mini, so I plug the FW drive back in -- and both the Mini and the monitor drop
Re: External FW HD/CCC Update, and G4 Mac Mini -- Help!
At 10:26 AM -0400 10/31/2009, yersi...@cybernex.net wrote: Mini is a G4 1.5 GHz with Tiger 10.4.2. I know this Mini cannot BOOT in OS 9, which is fine, but it SHOULD be able to run Classic Mode, which I'd LIKE if possible. Don't I need the OS 9 drivers installed to set it up to be able to run Classic? No, you don't need the OS 9 drivers installed to run Classic. Classic smells like a normal application to OS X. All i/o is funneled thru OS X - so only OS X needs to know the hardware. A. Mini would not boot pressing power switch alone, from its own HD (probably since I hadn't gotten done configuring my account?). [snip] Yersinia and I have been chatting on IM. She's not getting a bong from the Mini now, so I'm thinking the first step, given the age of the beast and its non-continuous use, is to replace the battery. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
On Apr 26, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: The reason to do this would be that if you back up the System every day, would you not be backing up whatever errors have crept into it, thereby rendering the backup problematic when a problem occurs? This is a separate issue entirely. Errors do not 'creep into a system'. Computers are not organic things; when they fail, they fail in knowable ways due to deliberate activities. They may fail in subtle, difficult to identify ways, but in general when computer systems fail they fail because: Buggy software has been installed. Hardware is failing. With OS X the first is relatively simple to identify. If a problem is not noted by a different user on the system, or cannot be reproduced in Safe mode, then the issue is most likely buggy, third party software or corrupted caches. Caches get corrupted when there's problems writing or reading to/from disk (either from disk hardware problems or abrupt shutdowns). Clearing these (starting in safe mode, dumping browser caches, or running AppleJack to 'deep clean' things) often fixes the problem. This partially solved a nagging slowdown problem I had been having with my laptop, along with getting Flash crap under control in my browser. Hardware problems will increasingly become the issue with computers germane to this list...the very newest of them (the last G5 towers) are now approaching 4 years old, the oldest (the BW G3) are ten years old. I'm tempting the LEM endless idiotic UPS thread curse here, but one of the best investments you can ever make for your computer system is a good, professional-grade uninterruptible power system, one that also conditions the power (you'll spend $120-$400 for one of these) Completely aside from the issue of protecting against power surges, they provide clean, design-spec power to the system. Electricity is the fuel for a computer, clean fuel == fewer problems. I've seen them work over 15 years as an IT professional. All this said, OSX is a remarkably stable and robust OS. I'm convinced that many of the problems people experience with OS X are the result of excessive tinkering, insufficient testing of new software (don't go installing three new pref panes and four new drivers at once.), too many 'switch off the power to shut down instead of shutting down properly' incidents and poor power leading to hardware faults. I know this because my own systems rarely experience the issues we see here, and mine are hardly pristine state of the art systems: an upgraded G4 that lived through a flood (The boot drive has been with me since my computer was a Beige G3 running 10.2), a frankebook, half 867Mhz/half 1Ghz TiBook, with bits of my old Pismo installed, and an old first-gen Intel iMac. The desktops both live off of APC UPS'es, (A laptop's battery and power brick system comprise, in essence, both parts of a power conditioning UPS) I maintain current backups via Time Machine and that's it. I do no other 'system maintenance' whatsoever: I don't run DiskWarrior, Repair Permissions, Onyx, AppleJack, etc etc etc. As I said, OS X is robust. Leave it the heck alone and it usually runs pretty well all by itself. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: I do no other 'system maintenance' whatsoever: I don't run DiskWarrior, Repair Permissions, Onyx, AppleJack, etc etc etc. As I said, OS X is robust. Leave it the heck alone and it usually runs pretty well all by itself. Since you do not run these things, do you leave your system on overnight so it can run the regular maintenance scripts? Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: I do no other 'system maintenance' whatsoever: I don't run DiskWarrior, Repair Permissions, Onyx, AppleJack, etc etc etc. As I said, OS X is robust. Leave it the heck alone and it usually runs pretty well all by itself. Since you do not run these things, do you leave your system on overnight so it can run the regular maintenance scripts? Every year or so I may check to see if the logfiles are getting too big and run the scripts by hand, but since 10.5 will now run them as needed when it can, I don't bother even with that. Thanks, I did not know that 10.5 ran the scripts when it could. My home mac is fine. I guess I will still need to run them OCCASIONALLY on my work Mac running 10.4.11 since I shut that down every night. Thanks, Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: I have always had it connected to an UPS, usually APC. Buy a new one every couple years when the battery goes. (Not worth it to ship a battery methinks.) If you have a chain like Batteries Plus in your neck of the woods, they sell the batteries. We have one here in Tucson we get all the replacement batteries from them. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
On Apr 25, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: I'm on the verge of getting a bootable external hard drive. Presently I have two - a Fantom and a Maxtor, non-bootables, around 200 gigs each. They are meant to be dupes of each other, contain my user folder and archives. (Altho the archives are not *quite* dups any more if you want me to be honest, as one drive is at the safe deposit box and one at the house, so it's hard to compare if you know what I mean.) The Maxtor came with some software I've been using for backup, but I don't like the wierd single file it generates, so did this only once and then did just copy of things with it, which seems to work well, more or less. As you know, the G4 did some weird things earlier this week, so I was glad to have the external! And it wasn't bad, files just copied over to the new iMac very well. I just downloaded CCC - coupla questions: 1. I feel like making two separate backups, one of my whole drive and then one of my user folder, as if I backup every couple of days and the system does something weird, wouldn't it be better to have a system to revert to? Absolutely 2. Can CCC do this? This is CCC's main purpose; creating a bootable exact copy. 3. Does CCC copy things in a way that I can look at them, unlike the file the Maxtor software created? I use the external to rescue things from time to time if a file gets corrupted or I erase it or save over it by accident, and want to just get back this one file. CCC makes an exact copy of your hard drive, so it's like any drive with files on it. 4. Is Time Machine still a flaky app? (It is sitting here right in the dock, but I remember hearing wierd tales awhile back) With local drives I haven't had any problems. There are occasional 'Time machine failed' errors, but the next time it runs it's ok. A number of folks use it at work and I've not heard any complaints. 5. In case of system problems, kind of how does it work with a bootable drive? Can you copy back everything, even the system? Fonts, settings, drivers? That's the idea, right? Exactly. You use CCC to copy everything back. A Time Machine volume can do that as well, but as part of an OSX install. A professor at work had a drive failure on his G5 and this worked perfectly for him when he got the replacement drive. Thanks in advance to those who know! Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 Intel iMac 2.66gHz Core 2 Duo 2GB RAM, 264GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.6 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
On Apr 26, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:09 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: 1. I feel like making two separate backups, one of my whole drive and then one of my user folder, as if I backup every couple of days and the system does something weird, wouldn't it be better to have a system to revert to? Absolutely I think I did not post this question properly. Should I backup the whole system once and then not update that backup until the next system update, and then separately backup the user files, nearly every day? The reason to do this would be that if you back up the System every day, would you not be backing up whatever errors have crept into it, thereby rendering the backup problematic when a problem occurs? Does this make sense? Your concern and question make sense. Lets separate things a bit, Backups, Bootable systems, may or may not be equivalent. If you have a 'clone' bootable system, as long as you 'boot' that system on a 'hardware package' with at least the minimum hardware NEEDED, Then you have YOUR system, as of the time of the 'clone; operation. If all you have are 'backups', then you need to duplicate the original hardware, install the OS, and applications needed, and then restore your backups. With todays costs for HD space, I can't see NOT backing up the whole thing. My systems, (3-MDDs, 1 PB) all have a 55-60 GB partition on the internal HD. I have a couple of large Firewire HDs, partitioned with multiple partitions of approximately 60GB. These partitions contain several generations of system clones. I use SuperDuper! -- it has a setting to 'update/clone', which will update a previously made clone to match today. which usually is 20 minutes or less.(18GB of used space) I can 'swap hardware' and be back up running for only the 'physical swap boot up' time. The only time that I would be using a current system that was having problems, would be to clear out the space to restore a known good system, (one of the clone copies) while still being able to look at and retrieve data from the 'current' system. HTH Chuck D. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 Intel iMac 2.66gHz Core 2 Duo 2GB RAM, 264GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.6 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
At 10:09 PM -0400 4/26/09, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:09 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: 1. I feel like making two separate backups, one of my whole drive and then one of my user folder, as if I backup every couple of days and the system does something weird, wouldn't it be better to have a system to revert to? Absolutely I think I did not post this question properly. Should I backup the whole system once and then not update that backup until the next system update, and then separately backup the user files, nearly every day? The reason to do this would be that if you back up the System every day, would you not be backing up whatever errors have crept into it, thereby rendering the backup problematic when a problem occurs? Does this make sense? Yes, and that would be the preferable way to do it assuming you have the drive space. You may want to do periodic backups of the whole system more frequently than that, as there are always little changes that you're making there (application and system updates, and probably other changes as well). In fact, it's best if you keep more than one copy of the whole system if you can - one older version, and one more recent version. Just in case one of your backups isn't good. (in commercial environments it's not uncommon to save backups nightly, weekly, monthly, and yearly, but that might be overkill for you. I do it on my servers.) -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
CCC and Backups
I'm on the verge of getting a bootable external hard drive. Presently I have two - a Fantom and a Maxtor, non-bootables, around 200 gigs each. They are meant to be dupes of each other, contain my user folder and archives. (Altho the archives are not *quite* dups any more if you want me to be honest, as one drive is at the safe deposit box and one at the house, so it's hard to compare if you know what I mean.) The Maxtor came with some software I've been using for backup, but I don't like the wierd single file it generates, so did this only once and then did just copy of things with it, which seems to work well, more or less. As you know, the G4 did some weird things earlier this week, so I was glad to have the external! And it wasn't bad, files just copied over to the new iMac very well. I just downloaded CCC - coupla questions: 1. I feel like making two separate backups, one of my whole drive and then one of my user folder, as if I backup every couple of days and the system does something weird, wouldn't it be better to have a system to revert to? 2. Can CCC do this? 3. Does CCC copy things in a way that I can look at them, unlike the file the Maxtor software created? I use the external to rescue things from time to time if a file gets corrupted or I erase it or save over it by accident, and want to just get back this one file. 4. Is Time Machine still a flaky app? (It is sitting here right in the dock, but I remember hearing wierd tales awhile back) 5. In case of system problems, kind of how does it work with a bootable drive? Can you copy back everything, even the system? Fonts, settings, drivers? That's the idea, right? Thanks in advance to those who know! Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 Intel iMac 2.66gHz Core 2 Duo 2GB RAM, 264GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.6 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't get CCC to recognize Drive
On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:40 PM, George Hozendorf wrote: I'm trying to make a move an external drive onto a Mac Mini, but CCC doesn't recognize the Mini as a target disk. Any idea why? Possibly because you're booted on the target disk? To do what you're attempting, you'd need to boot from the external HD and then clone it onto the Mini's HD. You can't target a boot drive for cloning, you'd ruin the system you're using. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't get CCC to recognize Drive
On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:40 PM, George Hozendorf wrote: I'm trying to make a move an external drive onto a Mac Mini, but CCC doesn't recognize the Mini as a target disk. Any idea why? Possibly because you're booted on the target disk? To do what you're attempting, you'd need to boot from the external HD and then clone it onto the Mini's HD. You can't target a boot drive for cloning, you'd ruin the system you're using. OK, now I really feel stupid. But, I'm going to blame it on working all day. It's cloning as I write. Thanks, George --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC
At 9:45 PM -0800 1/8/2009, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: When I finally recovered from my monster crash of Dec 17and after an Write all zeros Erase I then installed 10.4.11 on my 250 Gig and partitioned my 500 Gig to 420 and 80 then realizing that the 500 Gig may have had physical problems I did a Write all Zeros erase on the 420 and 80. That gave me a 420 Gig and a 45 Gig. Many bad sectors on the 80 gig. bzzzt. Replace that drive. Loosing a few KILOBYTES to bad sectors happens, over the life span of a drive. Loosing GIGABYTES *gak* Thirty five GIG! *choke* That drive is brick, waiting to become. When I run MacJanitor on the 250 Gig and then Increment the other Volumes does the Clean-up on the 250 get properly transferred to the other volumes? Yes, but in your particular case, I wouldn't trust that backup on that drive. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth Thanks Dan, *Gak* indeed, I am gambling for a few weeks until the funds open up. I will get at least a new 500 Gig maybe two drives one 250 internal and a 500 Gig Firewire external after the Power Company gets their chunk. I choked when I saw what was left of the 80 Gig but wanted to comment on the simplicity of the SuperDuper back-Up. I was surprised that it actually worked at all after hearing the Clicking from inside the Computer. I did not know which drive was bad so just Nuked all of them to see what I got. The Data was already gone. ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC
On Jan 9, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: big snip When I finally recovered from my monster crash of Dec 17and after an Write all zeros Erase I then installed 10.4.11 on my 250 Gig and partitioned my 500 Gig to 420 and 80 then realizing that the 500 Gig may have had physical problems I did a Write all Zeros erase on the 420 and 80. That gave me a 420 Gig and a 45 Gig. Many bad sectors on the 80 gig. I probably should have Nuked the whole 500 Gig and then partitioned but by then I was out of patience. Then I used used SuperDuper to do an incremental back-up on the 420 Gig and 45 Gig. I figured from what the SuperDuper notes said that it would up-date all that was different on the Target. Since there was nothing on the the Target I thought that would mean everything on the 250 Gig would be moved to the Partitions. Also Part of the instructions on SuperDuper says leave the Target Bootable after an Incremental Up-Date. When finished I had two Bootable partitions that were clones of the 250 Gig drive. Now I run MacJanitor on the 250Gig and incrementally back the partitions up nightly. It takes about six minutes for about 9.25 Gig's with my Dual 500 GigE to increment each partition. I do have a question though. When I run MacJanitor on the 250 Gig and then Increment the other Volumes does the Clean-up on the 250 get properly transferred to the other volumes? Since the CCC operation makes EVERYTHING identical, that would have to be YES. I do leave them booted all night in hope that the Cron tasks will clean them. But not too sure about all that. You can only have ONE system booted on a hardware system at a time. That one will (may) run it's 'cron' jobs. The other one just sits there and does nothing BECAUSE it isn't the running OS Chuck D. HTH, ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC
On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:16 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 2 of 4 == Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 2:28 pm From: Charles Davis On Jan 8, 2009, at 3:37 PM, nestamicky wrote: Al Poulin wrote: I want to use a 1TB external Firewire hard drive initialized in Apple Partition Map to make bootable clones of a PPC G4 iBook and two or three Intel Macs. Each source machine will have its own partition on the FW drive. I plan to use Incremental backup for File level copying. Your project here is perhaps the best yet use of larger harddrives I've seen in a short while. Most of us do file servers, but your idea hear to have bootable partitions of all your systems on an external HD is great, as it will save you so much time when something goes wrong. My question, and maybe Dan would pitch in, do size of the partition on the machine and that on the external drive have to be the exact same? Not DAN, but my opinion anyway, The partitions need to be big enough to hold the amount of data involved. I.E. A BOOT partition, has to include vacant space to be 'run- able' !!! A copy (clone) if you are not going to BOOT --- THAT partition, doesn't need to include that space. BUT, to check that things took properly, and so that you CAN operationally boot the 'clone', you will need to have that 'space' (less than 10% available 'empty space', leads to operational problems. [Don't ask how I know]) Thank you, Charles. You know through conventional wisdom. Or, with small drives or volumes like a 40 GB drive, allow at least 7 GB of free space. Is there any utility in having a separate, bootable universal volume on my FW drive with its own copy of CCC? If you 'cloned' your OS partition, doesn't it include your copy of CCC? It should, and when you boot that 'cloned copy' it will have CCC right ready there to use. [Just like you planned it!!! ;-)] Understood, but the CCC documentation was ambiguous as to what a boot drive is, to the point of saying to boot from a drive other than the boot drive. So, having a separate bootable volume for all machines seemed to be a way to have that third drive. Looking at CCC documentation for backing up to another Macintosh on your network, it appears that this method cannot maintain a bootable clone, since the context deals with selected data to a folder. Correct? That may be a problem, doing 'incremental' updates to the 'cloned' copy. [I think it SHOULD work.] That seems to be an angle to try out. I will put some mileage on this whole project before I attempt messing around in the root accounts to make this network thing work. But only if someone can tell me that it WILL work. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC
At 4:17 PM -0500 1/9/2009, Al Poulin wrote: through conventional wisdom. Or, with small drives or volumes like a 40 GB drive, allow at least 7 GB of free space. heh. Ended up, um, playing with a tight-space issue today. From OS X's POV, ... you need room for the kernel and system caches, paging files (/private/var/vm/), and logging. Room for everything else is optional. IOW, you can survive with only 2 GB free. Now, from the user's POV, if you want things to run smoothly, you need more. LOL :) Please note that by default CCC copies everything - including the caches. Not sure why the author chose to do that. They're stale useless data, really. To keep your backup a bit more trim, tell CCC to ignore Library/Caches. Notice the lack of / before and after that string - you want it to ignore all the Caches folders, in both the system and user areas. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
