Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Thomas, Thanks, at least it is not me this time. Sure would be nice to have direct access to what must be a humongous amount of information though. 208 File(s)477,147,762 bytes BTW while looking at the folder, I found a matching chi file for each chm file. Like you said, it must be parts of the VB6 MSDN system. BFN Jim Don't worry head. The computer will do all the thinking from now on. ... Homer Simpson j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Dark, Well, in some cases the manuals are html. For instance, my manual was written in html 4.0 simply so it could be read cross-platform. However, if I wanted to create a chm help file all I'd have to do is make a few tag changes, and compile it with the Microsoft HTML Help SDK and I'd have a nice Windows Vista or Windows 7 help file. Which I might do anyway. However, the f6 key should work with Windows Help and HTML Help. Cheers! On 3/21/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. this actually explains quite nicely something which has always puzled me, the fact that modern games seem to use html pages as help. I assumed these were standard html pages, and the older help system seen in some other applications, - the one that needs the F6 key, was the actual windows help. Nice to know something! which microsoft do actually improves accessibility for once. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi, In my Visual Studio (VB6) folder there are 208 chm files. Here is one of them. File Name: kb.chm Size: 111.12MB Download Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/174c1f Ok, so I click on the kb.chm file. It says knowledge base, type in the key word to find. Well really I would like to find a list of commands so as to maybe find some VB6 commands that I don't even know about. But so anyway I type in a simple command such as print and press enter. The program bonks at me and that is it. I press the tab key and it says alt l to list results. I do that and nothing. I press the tab key again and it says untitled 1 of 500. All 500 are untitled. And the f6 key does nothing. I also tried the chm2txt program on many of these chm files and get nothing but an error message. Any help would be appreciated. BFN Jim Don't worry head. The computer will do all the thinking from now on. ... Homer Simpson j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Jim, What you are looking at is the Microsoft knowledge base for VB 6. I don't think you can view those chm files individually. I think they are linked in someway so the help system can search all of the files for a certain method, function, or sub. So you can't just take one and extract it to text. I've never created multiple chm files like that myself but I know it is possible. Basically, all a chm file is a bunch of extremely compressed html files. Kind of like a zip archive but visible through Microsoft help. On 3/20/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi, In my Visual Studio (VB6) folder there are 208 chm files. Here is one of them. File Name: kb.chm Size: 111.12MB Download Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/174c1f Ok, so I click on the kb.chm file. It says knowledge base, type in the key word to find. Well really I would like to find a list of commands so as to maybe find some VB6 commands that I don't even know about. But so anyway I type in a simple command such as print and press enter. The program bonks at me and that is it. I press the tab key and it says alt l to list results. I do that and nothing. I press the tab key again and it says untitled 1 of 500. All 500 are untitled. And the f6 key does nothing. I also tried the chm2txt program on many of these chm files and get nothing but an error message. Any help would be appreciated. BFN Jim Don't worry head. The computer will do all the thinking from now on. ... Homer Simpson j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Hayden, Sure. You need to download and install the Microsoft Help SDK from the MSDN website. I believe the latest version is 1.4. Basically, what you do is you write your help documentation in html according to the instructions in the SDK documentation, and then compile it into a chm file with the tools provided with the SDK. You can find more information about the Microsoft Help SDK here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms670169%28v=vs.85%29.aspx Cheers! On 3/19/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, So...do you, by chance, know of anything accsssible to write said help files? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Thomas, Thanks for that. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 9:40 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files Hi Hayden, Sure. You need to download and install the Microsoft Help SDK from the MSDN website. I believe the latest version is 1.4. Basically, what you do is you write your help documentation in html according to the instructions in the SDK documentation, and then compile it into a chm file with the tools provided with the SDK. You can find more information about the Microsoft Help SDK here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms670169%28v=vs.85%29.aspx Cheers! On 3/19/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, So...do you, by chance, know of anything accsssible to write said help files? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi, Glad I could help. By the way in case most of you don't know when we talk about Windows help we need to make a technical destinction between Microsoft Windows Help 4.0 and earlier and Microsoft HTML Help 1.0 and later. As they are two completely different help systems used by different versions of Windows. When we talk about Windows clasic Help, Win Help 4.0 and earlier, that was mainly used with Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000, and early versions of Windows XP. However, about five or six years ago, about the time XP SP2 came out, Microsoft released an all new help system they call HTML Help. In 2007 when they released Windows Vista they deprecated Windows Help and HTML Help became the default help system for Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, and Windows 7. So the link I gave you below is for the new HTML Help system used by XP SP2 and later just for your information. The main advantages to HTML Help verses Windows Help is you have a lot more control over formatting and can really prepare some professional looking help documents using common html tags/formatting etc. The other is the new HTML Help system actually displays the help documents in a browser window, usually Internet Explorer 7 or 8, so as a result you can use standard Internet web browser commands to navigate around in the help document. For instance, with Window-Eyes 7.5 I can use h to jump to the next section heading, shift+h to jump back to the previous section heading, t to jump to the next table, and shift+t to jump to the prior table, etc. Plus Window-Eyes has some more advanced browser commands like press n and something like 3h to jump directly to the third heading in the help document. So as you can see the new HTML help system is extremely accessible, and if you are good at web browsing in general getting around in the new Windows help is a sinch. Prior versions of Windows Help weren't quite as screen reader friendly although they were accessible. HTH On 3/20/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Thanks for that. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Tom. this actually explains quite nicely something which has always puzled me, the fact that modern games seem to use html pages as help. I assumed these were standard html pages, and the older help system seen in some other applications, - the one that needs the F6 key, was the actual windows help. Nice to know something! which microsoft do actually improves accessibility for once. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Will just say jaws tells you to hit F6 after choosing a topic smile, but the other one I use in things like audacity, for example, is Ctrl + F6 which sort of jumps between different parts of some interfaces. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files i'm a litle surprised that it's not mentioned in the applications notes for the chm help files maps in hal, --- sinse those usually list handy shortcut keys, but maybe it's such a generic windows key dolphin assumed you'd already know by reading the windows basic section of Hal's own help, which i must confess I've only ever dipped into slightly, rather than reading through end to end. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files Hi Jim, Glad I could helpyou out with that. I really wasn’t aware that so many people didn’t know about the f6 command. The f6 keyboard command seams to be a fairly common Windows hot key for switching frames and window pains in a number of Windows applications. I know in Firefox, for example, f6 jumps between the frames in the application the same way it switches from tree view to edit view in chm files. It is so common I pretty much assumed everyone knew about it. So I’m glad I could share that with you guys. It will make accessing Microsoft help files much easier from now on. Smile. On 3/18/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Thank You! the f6 key thing sure makes a world of difference with the chm files. I don't know why it never dawned on me to do that. I mean I have used the f6 key in the VB6 help system, but never thought to do it in other windows helps. Thanks! TGIF and BFN Jim Computer experts are working feverishly to develop artificial intelligence. Some of the people in my office have perfected it without the help of a computer. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Dark, Well, Maybe. I know that in Jaws if you press insert+h for help while in the Microsoft help viewer it tells you to select a topic and press f6 to read the text. It appears that Window-Eyes 7.5 now has a similar feature where you can press+shift+control+question and get some really useful keyboard help on an application. I'm glad that screen readers have this sortof built in help, because although Microsoft includes them in the operating system they don't exactly advertise them. You can read through manuals an books on Windows 7 and directions are almost exclusively about pointing and clicking with little thought to accessibility even though you and I know that there are hundreds of built in keyboard shortcuts to do the same thing. However, this is a general accessibility/tech support topic so we probably shouldn't go there. Smile. On 3/18/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: i'm a litle surprised that it's not mentioned in the applications notes for the chm help files maps in hal, --- sinse those usually list handy shortcut keys, but maybe it's such a generic windows key dolphin assumed you'd already know by reading the windows basic section of Hal's own help, which i must confess I've only ever dipped into slightly, rather than reading through end to end. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Tom. There probably is such a key in hal, it's most likely that I'm too used to using specific keys I forgot that one, sinse there are lots of keys some of which get used more than others I tend to find. I'll have to ask dolphin next time I'm on the phone to them, which might actually be soon sinse I'm trading in this laptop for a new one, sinse my brother has an xp laptop which he bought six months ago (yes, one of the last xp machines made), but he rarely uses it and actually wants a netbook instead so I'm going to have it, which might mean ringing dolphin for a new install key for Hal, though i suspect I've stil got a spare one. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files Hi Dark, Well, Maybe. I know that in Jaws if you press insert+h for help while in the Microsoft help viewer it tells you to select a topic and press f6 to read the text. It appears that Window-Eyes 7.5 now has a similar feature where you can press+shift+control+question and get some really useful keyboard help on an application. I'm glad that screen readers have this sortof built in help, because although Microsoft includes them in the operating system they don't exactly advertise them. You can read through manuals an books on Windows 7 and directions are almost exclusively about pointing and clicking with little thought to accessibility even though you and I know that there are hundreds of built in keyboard shortcuts to do the same thing. However, this is a general accessibility/tech support topic so we probably shouldn't go there. Smile. On 3/18/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: i'm a litle surprised that it's not mentioned in the applications notes for the chm help files maps in hal, --- sinse those usually list handy shortcut keys, but maybe it's such a generic windows key dolphin assumed you'd already know by reading the windows basic section of Hal's own help, which i must confess I've only ever dipped into slightly, rather than reading through end to end. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Thomas, So...do you, by chance, know of anything accsssible to write said help files? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files Hi Dark, Well, Maybe. I know that in Jaws if you press insert+h for help while in the Microsoft help viewer it tells you to select a topic and press f6 to read the text. It appears that Window-Eyes 7.5 now has a similar feature where you can press+shift+control+question and get some really useful keyboard help on an application. I'm glad that screen readers have this sortof built in help, because although Microsoft includes them in the operating system they don't exactly advertise them. You can read through manuals an books on Windows 7 and directions are almost exclusively about pointing and clicking with little thought to accessibility even though you and I know that there are hundreds of built in keyboard shortcuts to do the same thing. However, this is a general accessibility/tech support topic so we probably shouldn't go there. Smile. On 3/18/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: i'm a litle surprised that it's not mentioned in the applications notes for the chm help files maps in hal, --- sinse those usually list handy shortcut keys, but maybe it's such a generic windows key dolphin assumed you'd already know by reading the windows basic section of Hal's own help, which i must confess I've only ever dipped into slightly, rather than reading through end to end. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Thomas, Thank You! the f6 key thing sure makes a world of difference with the chm files. I don't know why it never dawned on me to do that. I mean I have used the f6 key in the VB6 help system, but never thought to do it in other windows helps. Thanks! TGIF and BFN Jim Computer experts are working feverishly to develop artificial intelligence. Some of the people in my office have perfected it without the help of a computer. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi, Yo mean to tell me you didn't notice the exact same look in ll chm files? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:48 AM To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files Hi Thomas, Thank You! the f6 key thing sure makes a world of difference with the chm files. I don't know why it never dawned on me to do that. I mean I have used the f6 key in the VB6 help system, but never thought to do it in other windows helps. Thanks! TGIF and BFN Jim Computer experts are working feverishly to develop artificial intelligence. Some of the people in my office have perfected it without the help of a computer. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Hayden, I don't know if you have ever programmed in VB6, but it does not look at all the same to me as other chm files. In the VB6 IDE you just put your PC cursor on the command word that you wish help for, press the f1 key and then the f6 key. It is all integrated into the IDE. TGIF and BFN Jim I like Visual Basic 6.0 because I can not C. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Jason, Really I would not know where to easily find the rosters for all the major league baseball teams. I took a quick look at mlb.com and did not find them there. And then there would be the thing of needing to up date the files all the time. Sorry, I'm just not really into doing all of that. TGIF and BFN Jim Check my web site for my free blind accessible pc dos and windows games. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Glad I could helpyou out with that. I really wasn’t aware that so many people didn’t know about the f6 command. The f6 keyboard command seams to be a fairly common Windows hot key for switching frames and window pains in a number of Windows applications. I know in Firefox, for example, f6 jumps between the frames in the application the same way it switches from tree view to edit view in chm files. It is so common I pretty much assumed everyone knew about it. So I’m glad I could share that with you guys. It will make accessing Microsoft help files much easier from now on. Smile. On 3/18/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Thank You! the f6 key thing sure makes a world of difference with the chm files. I don't know why it never dawned on me to do that. I mean I have used the f6 key in the VB6 help system, but never thought to do it in other windows helps. Thanks! TGIF and BFN Jim Computer experts are working feverishly to develop artificial intelligence. Some of the people in my office have perfected it without the help of a computer. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Ah...so yo don't directly open the MSDN Libriaries...I see. When I'm looking something up with those I just open it from the programs menu. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:16 AM To: Hayden Presley Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files Hi Hayden, I don't know if you have ever programmed in VB6, but it does not look at all the same to me as other chm files. In the VB6 IDE you just put your PC cursor on the command word that you wish help for, press the f1 key and then the f6 key. It is all integrated into the IDE. TGIF and BFN Jim I like Visual Basic 6.0 because I can not C. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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i'm a litle surprised that it's not mentioned in the applications notes for the chm help files maps in hal, --- sinse those usually list handy shortcut keys, but maybe it's such a generic windows key dolphin assumed you'd already know by reading the windows basic section of Hal's own help, which i must confess I've only ever dipped into slightly, rather than reading through end to end. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files Hi Jim, Glad I could helpyou out with that. I really wasn’t aware that so many people didn’t know about the f6 command. The f6 keyboard command seams to be a fairly common Windows hot key for switching frames and window pains in a number of Windows applications. I know in Firefox, for example, f6 jumps between the frames in the application the same way it switches from tree view to edit view in chm files. It is so common I pretty much assumed everyone knew about it. So I’m glad I could share that with you guys. It will make accessing Microsoft help files much easier from now on. Smile. On 3/18/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Thank You! the f6 key thing sure makes a world of difference with the chm files. I don't know why it never dawned on me to do that. I mean I have used the f6 key in the VB6 help system, but never thought to do it in other windows helps. Thanks! TGIF and BFN Jim Computer experts are working feverishly to develop artificial intelligence. Some of the people in my office have perfected it without the help of a computer. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Rich, Thank you very much for the file link. Don't know why, but I have never been able to work with chm files. - Original Message - Hi, Just found this in an old top tech tidbits newsletter. Checked the link and it still works. I don't know what version though you are downloading because this was posted 2 years ago. Jamal Mazrui has updated his chm2txt package, which takes Windows compressed help files and turns them into structured text documents, to version 1.1, using a more powerful converter. http://EmpowermentZone.com/chm2txt.zip Rich Jim I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, Where's the self-help section? She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Using chm help files really aren't that hard once you figure out how to use them. Basically, you have a tree view on the left side with the topics and subtopics in the document, and then there is a large edit box on the right where the text is. You Switch between the tree view and edit view with the f6 key. That's really all there is to it. Find the topic you want in the tree view, press enter to select it/bring it into focus, and press f6 to switch pains to the edit view. When done press f6 to return to the tree view pain. HTH On 3/17/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Rich, Thank you very much for the file link. Don't know why, but I have never been able to work with chm files. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, very true. Unfortunately, having someone read an audio manual can get quite expensive if using professional voice talent though. I've thought about it, but figured it isn't worth the expense in the long run. I just dropped another $30 into Mysteries of the Ancients this week, and I'm really getting tired of dropping money into that project. It is starting to become a financial blackhole. It takes, takes, takes, and takes and so far hasn't earned much back in return. Grr Cheers! On 3/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. This is true,I've noticed it in dazy books from the rnib as well, which is insane being as dazy already has markers for chapter, section, part etc built into the format precisely for that purpose. I think though if we are talking about future manuals from audiogame devs or for resources such as bgt, it wouldn't be a difficult thing to do. For instance, Philip could split that gigantic audio recording of the bgt manual into sections. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hmmm, maybe that was what I was doing wrong. I always used just ctrl tab to switch views, but found that the text in the eddit box didn't scroll for some reason meaning that Hal would stop reading when it got to the bottom of the visible text on screen, rather than the bottom of the actual text box, yet according to Dolphin's info Hal should read all the text without an issue. I've never actually asked dolphin about this though I probably should. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files Hi Jim, Using chm help files really aren't that hard once you figure out how to use them. Basically, you have a tree view on the left side with the topics and subtopics in the document, and then there is a large edit box on the right where the text is. You Switch between the tree view and edit view with the f6 key. That's really all there is to it. Find the topic you want in the tree view, press enter to select it/bring it into focus, and press f6 to switch pains to the edit view. When done press f6 to return to the tree view pain. HTH On 3/17/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Rich, Thank you very much for the file link. Don't know why, but I have never been able to work with chm files. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Well, that might be a big part of the problem. The Microsoft help viewer uses f6 to toggle between left and right pain not control+tab. Not only that but the edit pain is a MSAA control so any screen reader that hass MSAA support, which I think all of them do, should be able to read it just fine. I've never had any issues with Window-Eyes and the help viewer and chm files myself. Don't know about Hal though. On 3/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hmmm, maybe that was what I was doing wrong. I always used just ctrl tab to switch views, but found that the text in the eddit box didn't scroll for some reason meaning that Hal would stop reading when it got to the bottom of the visible text on screen, rather than the bottom of the actual text box, yet according to Dolphin's info Hal should read all the text without an issue. I've never actually asked dolphin about this though I probably should. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well that's true tom. Even my reader/research assistant costs me roughly 11 usd per hour for reading, and she is not reading professionally, though she does do a good job of things and is qualified. I think it's one of those things that would be nice to have, but only if it could be done simply or at minimum cost. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. I just pulled up a program with a help file and tried f6 out and it worked fine, I could use all of Hal's usual nav keys in the eddit pane just as if it were a webpage or text document, including reading right to the bottom. So, thanks for letting me know that, that's going to make reading help files infinitely easier. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello Jim since I know you can edit your text files in your baseball for the home and visitors teams for batters and pitchers could you possibly get the team rosters for all the players and zip them up and then we can download them from your site? The reason I am asking this because when we insirt the names of the teams in your baseball game I would also like to just insirt the text files of the visiting teams or the home team that I want to use which will be my favorite team that would be cool if you can do this thanks. On 3/17/2011 5:40 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Rich, Thank you very much for the file link. Don't know why, but I have never been able to work with chm files. - Original Message - Hi, Just found this in an old top tech tidbits newsletter. Checked the link and it still works. I don't know what version though you are downloading because this was posted 2 years ago. Jamal Mazrui has updated his chm2txt package, which takes Windows compressed help files and turns them into structured text documents, to version 1.1, using a more powerful converter. http://EmpowermentZone.com/chm2txt.zip Rich Jim I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, Where's the self-help section? She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I must admit I like these to html books and manuals are good with the headings etc. As long as you don't make those that flashy. At 11:41 p.m. 16/03/2011, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Well, as for myself I prefer html manuals for the simple fact they are cross-platform and can be read by any html web browser. That's why the manual for Mysteries of the Ancients is written in html. That said, my favorit for mat is xml docbook simply because xml was designed from the beginning to be a highly advanced markup language for documents like books, manuals, help files, etc that can produce formatted text as good as if not better than that of word processors like MS Word. For those of you who don't know on Linux the Gnome help system is simply a docbook viewer, and the help files themselves are xml docbook files heavily tagged and linked. I personally find them superior to the chm format used by Windows, and since xml is similar to html everything is nicely formatted, linked, and browsing the Gnome help system is like browsing the web. Cheers! On 3/14/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well its more of a prefference really. I don't use chms that much or rather havn't needed to. its mostly manuals in html etc. Though my favourite are audio manuals if I can get them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I definitely agree. Just look at the BGT manual. Besides the audio version being huge it is pretty much impossible to find anything you want in a hurry. However, using a standard chm file, html format, or one written in XML docbook it would be extremely easy to find what you are looking for by traveling directly to the section/subsection where the information is. The only thing audio books/manuals are good for is if you want to listen to something for the first time, but after that they are pretty much useless as a reference guide/source for looking anything up. For instance, when I was still in college I had the option to have my books read to me on tape or to have them scanned to text files. My first quarter I opted to have them read to me on tape thinking that would be the best way to go. What I soon discovered is it made my job several times harder because after I read the chapters once through, and then wanted to take notes I had to fast forward and rewind trying to find the information I wanted. Often times it was just quicker to listen to it pause the tape, take notes, as I was reading the chapter so I'd never have to look up the info again from the actual book. My second quarter I opted to have all of my books scanned and saved as MS Word doc files. Besides being much more portible I could insert markers in the text to jump to areas of interest, I could copy the text of the information directly into my notes, and using find and replace made it easy to search for anything I was looking for in a hurry. So my experience with audio books/manuals is that beyond leasure reading they aren't worth much as a resource. Cheers! On 3/15/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Audio manuals? Those are a pain. If they aren't marked up correctly you'd spend hours trying to find that little snippet of info you're looking for. Plus--they're quite a bit bigge then chm, htm, txt, doc, and any other fiels of that type you could mention. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi. Just as someone who reads significantly both for pleasure and for my phd research I do see your point regarding indexing. However, while it is perfectly easy to search an html resource for a string of text or a given section, which makes it great for instances where you have large amounts of information in small chunks, eg, an instruction manual with sections like controls, game concept, introduction, items in the game etc, for actual comprehention of a complex idea I find I actually need a human voice speaking correctly. I used to use a scanner for all my university work, however betwene scanning errors, and the fact that subjects like philosophical logic and theory of emotions are not easy anyway, I just found this far too difficult. i used tape for a while, but when i started my phd with the grant money I got my rowland r09 recorder (the same one I do podcast and such on). I've developed a fairly good system where by each section of an artical or part of a chapter I record as a separate mp3 file, and I have my research assistant say the publishers' name, book title, chapter and section information at the start of each. This means at most I have files which are roughly 20 minutes long, and it's very easy both to find things, and to pull out a section for bibliography information. Personally i think audio manuals for anything that takes a deal of explaining, such as bgt, are a good idea, but they could do with correct indexing, say by being split into appropriate sections and stuck in a folder. If someone wants to read the manual all the way through they simply need to play the folder in winamp (or similar), while if they want a particular section they just need to open the file called 2.2. Such would be my thought, and actually I have sometimes wondered if highly complex, detailed games who's conceptualization is rather difficult such as lone wolf or time of conflict would bennifit from an audio manual. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun, Well, as for myself I prefer html manuals for the simple fact they are cross-platform and can be read by any html web browser. That's why the manual for Mysteries of the Ancients is written in html. That said, my favorit for mat is xml docbook simply because xml was designed from the beginning to be a highly advanced markup language for documents like books, manuals, help files, etc that can produce formatted text as good as if not better than that of word processors like MS Word. For those of you who don't know on Linux the Gnome help system is simply a docbook viewer, and the help files themselves are xml docbook files heavily tagged and linked. I personally find them superior to the chm format used by Windows, and since xml is similar to html everything is nicely formatted, linked, and browsing the Gnome help system is like browsing the web. Cheers! On 3/14/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well its more of a prefference really. I don't use chms that much or rather havn't needed to. its mostly manuals in html etc. Though my favourite are audio manuals if I can get them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, I see your point, but the problem is that most audio manuals/audio books aren't split up into chapters and sections where you can jump to a section as needed. Some of the better audio books like those from RFBD have beeps in them to help you find the start of a chapter while fast forwarding and rewinding, but when I got my textbooks from disability services on tape there was no such indicators. I just got 25 to 30 tapes per book, and finding anything on them was a nightmare. So as you say audio books could be made to work if indexed properly, but if not forget it. I've just found I'd rather have it in text, html, xml, doc, whatever to find information quicker. Cheers! On 3/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Just as someone who reads significantly both for pleasure and for my phd research I do see your point regarding indexing. However, while it is perfectly easy to search an html resource for a string of text or a given section, which makes it great for instances where you have large amounts of information in small chunks, eg, an instruction manual with sections like controls, game concept, introduction, items in the game etc, for actual comprehention of a complex idea I find I actually need a human voice speaking correctly. I used to use a scanner for all my university work, however betwene scanning errors, and the fact that subjects like philosophical logic and theory of emotions are not easy anyway, I just found this far too difficult. i used tape for a while, but when i started my phd with the grant money I got my rowland r09 recorder (the same one I do podcast and such on). I've developed a fairly good system where by each section of an artical or part of a chapter I record as a separate mp3 file, and I have my research assistant say the publishers' name, book title, chapter and section information at the start of each. This means at most I have files which are roughly 20 minutes long, and it's very easy both to find things, and to pull out a section for bibliography information. Personally i think audio manuals for anything that takes a deal of explaining, such as bgt, are a good idea, but they could do with correct indexing, say by being split into appropriate sections and stuck in a folder. If someone wants to read the manual all the way through they simply need to play the folder in winamp (or similar), while if they want a particular section they just need to open the file called 2.2. Such would be my thought, and actually I have sometimes wondered if highly complex, detailed games who's conceptualization is rather difficult such as lone wolf or time of conflict would bennifit from an audio manual. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. This is true,I've noticed it in dazy books from the rnib as well, which is insane being as dazy already has markers for chapter, section, part etc built into the format precisely for that purpose. I think though if we are talking about future manuals from audiogame devs or for resources such as bgt, it wouldn't be a difficult thing to do. For instance, Philip could split that gigantic audio recording of the bgt manual into sections. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well its more of a prefference really. I don't use chms that much or rather havn't needed to. its mostly manuals in html etc. Though my favourite are audio manuals if I can get them. At 07:07 p.m. 14/03/2011, you wrote: Hi Haden, I have to agree with you. I'm not quite sure why Shaun hates chm help files so much. They are standard Microsoft help files, and are quite accessible. For large manuals etc they are great. I don't exactly get why anyone would have a problem with them. As far as extracting them I think Shaun has missed the point.You aren't suppose to extract chm files. they are compiled into chm files to make them easier to search, locate sections, and look up information faster than digging through a 1,000 page manual or something like that. My only complaint with chm files is they aren't cross-platform, and for that we have html and xml docbook. Cheers! On 3/13/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, Let's clear a few things up here. I'm not sure why you hate chm files so much. That's the word too...compressed. Have you seen how much info is in the BGT manual. The chm makes things a ton easier. Anyway, I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Audio manuals? Those are a pain. If they aren't marked up correctly you'd spend hours trying to find that little snippet of info you're looking for. Plus--they're quite a bit bigge then chm, htm, txt, doc, and any other fiels of that type you could mention. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 4:51 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files well its more of a prefference really. I don't use chms that much or rather havn't needed to. its mostly manuals in html etc. Though my favourite are audio manuals if I can get them. At 07:07 p.m. 14/03/2011, you wrote: Hi Haden, I have to agree with you. I'm not quite sure why Shaun hates chm help files so much. They are standard Microsoft help files, and are quite accessible. For large manuals etc they are great. I don't exactly get why anyone would have a problem with them. As far as extracting them I think Shaun has missed the point.You aren't suppose to extract chm files. they are compiled into chm files to make them easier to search, locate sections, and look up information faster than digging through a 1,000 page manual or something like that. My only complaint with chm files is they aren't cross-platform, and for that we have html and xml docbook. Cheers! On 3/13/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, Let's clear a few things up here. I'm not sure why you hate chm files so much. That's the word too...compressed. Have you seen how much info is in the BGT manual. The chm makes things a ton easier. Anyway, I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Just found this in an old top tech tidbits newsletter. Checked the link and it still works. I don't know what version though you are downloading because this was posted 2 years ago. Jamal Mazrui has updated his chm2txt package, which takes Windows compressed help files and turns them into structured text documents, to version 1.1, using a more powerful converter. http://EmpowermentZone.com/chm2txt.zip Rich - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 7:17 PM Hi, Audio manuals? Those are a pain. If they aren't marked up correctly you'd spend hours trying to find that little snippet of info you're looking for. Plus--they're quite a bit bigge then chm, htm, txt, doc, and any other fiels of that type you could mention. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Haden, I have to agree with you. I'm not quite sure why Shaun hates chm help files so much. They are standard Microsoft help files, and are quite accessible. For large manuals etc they are great. I don't exactly get why anyone would have a problem with them. As far as extracting them I think Shaun has missed the point.You aren't suppose to extract chm files. they are compiled into chm files to make them easier to search, locate sections, and look up information faster than digging through a 1,000 page manual or something like that. My only complaint with chm files is they aren't cross-platform, and for that we have html and xml docbook. Cheers! On 3/13/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, Let's clear a few things up here. I'm not sure why you hate chm files so much. That's the word too...compressed. Have you seen how much info is in the BGT manual. The chm makes things a ton easier. Anyway, I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
Hi Shaun, Let's clear a few things up here. I'm not sure why you hate chm files so much. That's the word too...compressed. Have you seen how much info is in the BGT manual. The chm makes things a ton easier. Anyway, I'll stop now. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 11:51 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files hmmm. why would you want to write stupid chm files. YOu can't extract them unless you buy a piece of software. THere are a few compilers and such. There is supposed to be something called microsoft help workshop that does this, you write in word then save it as a chm but I havn't really tothered about that. chms are just compressed html files so it may be better for you to write everything in htm and not bother with chm files. At 03:20 p.m. 10/03/2011, you wrote: Hi, A bit off topic, I Grant ou, but I'd like a recommendation for the best program to wriite .chm files. yBest Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Compiling Help Files
hmmm. why would you want to write stupid chm files. YOu can't extract them unless you buy a piece of software. THere are a few compilers and such. There is supposed to be something called microsoft help workshop that does this, you write in word then save it as a chm but I havn't really tothered about that. chms are just compressed html files so it may be better for you to write everything in htm and not bother with chm files. At 03:20 p.m. 10/03/2011, you wrote: Hi, A bit off topic, I Grant ou, but I'd like a recommendation for the best program to wriite .chm files. yBest Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
