Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2 and cpu load
Pierre-Philippe Coupard wrote:
I'm having a problem that prevents me from using Gimp-2 altogether:
whenever I use any input device to do something with the pen down, such
as draw or erase, the cpu load shoots up and the system becomes quickly
unusable. The processes that generate the load are the X server and
kdeinit.
It is definitely related to X or kde (most likely both) not able to
digest all the incoming events from the input device, because when I
draw very slowly, the load stays reasonable, and also because the more I
draw, the more events seem to be queued up and the more I have to wait
for the queue to clear up, the cpu load to go back down and kde to
become usable again. Typically, if I draw briskly for 30 seconds, I have
to wait 2 or 3 minutes for kde to start processing my clicks on the
desktop.
This happens with the tablet or the mouse, and whether the tablet
devices are in screen or window mode makes no difference. The size
of the canvas doesn't make a difference either. I don't recall this ever
happening with Gimp-1.2. It only happens with Gimp-2, I've tried to
reproduce the problem with other programs, and with xev, to no avail. My
configuration is the following:
Athlon 1.8GHz, 512M, Linux 2.6.7, XFree86 4.3.0, linuxwacom-0.6.4,
kde-3.2.3, Gimp-2.0.4.
Anybody knows what the problem could be?
What window manager and video card are you using? KDE? Nvidia-based?
I'm having exactly the same problem here, on Slackware 9.1... The strange thing
is, gimp2 works fine with KDE, Gnome, and WindowMaker, but I have the described
problem with Fluxbox (my window manager of choice). I have considered asking
about it here before, but I thought it was just a Fluxbox problem. Obviously I'm
wrong...
I have _both_ gimp-1.2.5 and gimp-2.0.1 installed. Gimp1 never had this problem,
but gtk2 based gimp has always had, since version 1.3.
I have traced the problem to be related with the X RENDER extension. Because of
this problem, I have used gimp2 inside a nested X server, which doesn't have
RENDER extension enabled. There it works fine, regardless of the window manager.
Also, if I compile Fluxbox without render support, gimp2 works fine, but then I
lose many of the finer features of the WM, like AA fonts and transparent menus.
With the Nvidia drivers I'm using it is also possible to turn off RENDER
extension from the XF86Config, but then I lose _all_ antialiasing... well, at
least gimp2 works then properly ;). By the way, it doesn't matter whether I use
the open source 'nv' driver or Nvidia's own binary driver, the problem still
persists.
So, what should I do? Dump gimp2 and continiue using the old gimp1? (No, I
_don't_ give up Fluxbox :) ). I emphasize that gimp2 is the only program which
has the described problems, so something should be done about it!
And my configuration:
Duron 850MHz, 256M, Linux 2.4.26, XFree-4.3.0, Logitech PS/2 mouse, kde-3.2.2,
gimp versions 1.2.5 and 2.0.1, fluxbox-0.9.9
Regards
Jouni Rinne, Finland
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[Gimp-user] exif not saved
Gimp does not save EXIF data even though the setting says it should save it. I use Save As... and the Save EXIF data checkbox is checked. Is anyone else experiencing this? i want to verify it before I submit a bug report to Bugzilla. Gimp 2.0.3 on Linux, compiled from sources, working perfectly in all other respects. -- Milos Prudek _ Most websites are confused chintzy gaudy conflicting tacky unpleasant... unusable. Learn how usable YOUR website is! http://www.spoxdesign.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2 and cpu load
Hi, Jouni Rinne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, what should I do? Dump gimp2 and continiue using the old gimp1? (No, I _don't_ give up Fluxbox :) ). I emphasize that gimp2 is the only program which has the described problems, so something should be done about it! You tracked the problem down to your window manager and X server and now you want the GIMP developers to do something about it? You must be kidding. Please file a bug report against that window manager and get the fluxbox developers to fix up their code. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2 and cpu load
Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
Jouni Rinne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, what should I do? Dump gimp2 and continiue using the old gimp1?
(No, I _don't_ give up Fluxbox :) ). I emphasize that gimp2 is the
only program which has the described problems, so something should be
done about it!
You tracked the problem down to your window manager and X server and
now you want the GIMP developers to do something about it? You must be
kidding.
Actually, yes, a bit ;)
Please file a bug report against that window manager and get
the fluxbox developers to fix up their code.
I discussed this with the Fluxbox developers some months ago, and they said they
were totally unable to reproduce the problem, so I was stumped there. As far as
I know I'm the only one who's having this problem with gimp2 under fluxbox, and
I thought I was the only one having problems at all, until I saw Pierre-Philippe
Coupard's mail. (It's always nice to know you're not alone). I'm trying real
hard to find the real cause for this gimp2 problem, but it seems to me that it's
some quite rare combination of software/ (possibly) hardware, which triggers
this problem. I'm sorry if I poked a wrong anthill...
Jouni Rinne
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2 and cpu load
Jouni Rinne wrote: What window manager and video card are you using? KDE? Nvidia-based? I use the nVidia driver and the S3 Trio driver (dual-headed, but not xinerama). However, for me the culprit is KDE, there's no question about it. When I run GIMP from twm, either on the nVidia screen or the S3 screen, and I draw fast, GIMP chews 20% CPU and X about 10%, which seems normal. When I do the same thing in KDE, GIMP chews 20%, X burns 40% and kdeinit 40%, so it seems fairly clear that kdeinit does something with the pointer that doesn't interact too well with GIMP. The real question I guess is: what is it that GIMP-2 does that GIMP-1 didn't do with regard to the input devices that triggers this? Sven Neumann wrote: You tracked the problem down to your window manager and X server and now you want the GIMP developers to do something about it? You must be kidding. When GIMP is the only application that makes a problem somewhere else surface, what list do you think people seek information from? :-) Personally, I don't think GIMP is at fault here, but all the same, if someone knows something about this, it'll only be other GIMP users, hence my question on the gimp-user list. Don't get your pants in a knot, not everybody who posts on a list is complaining. I was just pinging other GIMPers to see if they knew something about it. With success it seems, since Jouni came out. -- Pierre-Philippe Coupard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer -- In the eyes of my dog, I'm a man. -- Martin Mull ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2 and cpu load
Hi, Pierre-Philippe Coupard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The real question I guess is: what is it that GIMP-2 does that GIMP-1 didn't do with regard to the input devices that triggers this? I don't think there's any substantial difference on the GIMP level. If at all the change is introduced by the switch to GTK+-2.0. Don't get your pants in a knot, not everybody who posts on a list is complaining. I was just pinging other GIMPers to see if they knew something about it. With success it seems, since Jouni came out. You could have looked at Bugzilla also where this problem is being tracked already. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2 and cpu load
Hi, Jouni Rinne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I discussed this with the Fluxbox developers some months ago, and they said they were totally unable to reproduce the problem, so I was stumped there. As far as I know I'm the only one who's having this problem with gimp2 under fluxbox, and I thought I was the only one having problems at all, until I saw Pierre-Philippe Coupard's mail. (It's always nice to know you're not alone). I'm trying real hard to find the real cause for this gimp2 problem, but it seems to me that it's some quite rare combination of software/ (possibly) hardware, which triggers this problem. I'm sorry if I poked a wrong anthill... I'd suggest you try to disable the XRender extension and see if that makes a difference. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Slow [Unsharp Mask] with particular settings
Steve Crane wrote: I am adapting a workflow from a Photoshop action and there is one step that does haze removal with USM using radius 60, amount 0.30 and threshold 1, that is extremely slow. I just timed it on a 94.4MB 4048x3040 photograph and it took 3 minutes, 50 seconds. That sounds about right, given the size of your image and the radius you're using. Unsharp Mask is a pretty compute-intensive algorithm. Switching to a new version of Gimp won't help -- this plug-in hasn't changed its algorithm in quite some time. Does Photoshop do it a lot faster with the same parameters? If so, it would be interesting to look at the Gimp code for things that could be speeded up. Best, -- Bill __ __ __ __ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at primate.ucdavis.edu ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2 and cpu load
Pierre-Philippe Coupard wrote:
I use the nVidia driver and the S3 Trio driver (dual-headed, but not
xinerama).
Me too, GeForce2 and Riva TNT2, both nVidia-based, dual-head but not xinerama.
Maybe here's a start of a clue?
I'd suggest you try to disable the XRender extension and see if that
makes a difference.
Sven
As I said, I tried it already. I'm now quoting myself: ...With the Nvidia
drivers I'm using it is also possible to turn off RENDER extension from the
XF86Config, but then I lose _all_ antialiasing... well, at least gimp2 works
then properly ;) ...
Jouni Rinne
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Re: [Gimp-user] exif not saved
Yes. I installed gimp 2.0.4 and the problem is gone. Thank you very much! Known problem, fixed in 2.0.4. -- Milos Prudek _ Most websites are confused chintzy gaudy conflicting tacky unpleasant... unusable. Learn how usable YOUR website is! http://www.spoxdesign.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] help menu again!
I'm using Windows XP Home SP1. I installed GTK 2.4.3, GIMP 2.0.3, GIMP Help 2.0.3, and GAP 2.0.2. Everything seems to work splendidly -- except that the help system doesn't seem to work. Specifically, the tips window pops up at startup, but pressing F1 or selecting Help doesn't bring up the Help pages. The first time I try it in a session, I get a working in the background cursor for about fifteen seconds or so, then it switches back to the regular cursor. There's no error message, or any other indication that anything's gone wrong, just no Help. Trying to launch it again doesn't even change the cursor -- nothing happens at all. Same story with context sensitive help. I've added the LANG=en environment variable, system wide, but that didn't help. I tried switching to the internal browser, but that led to an error message that I'd need to install GTK-HTML (or something like that) and it switched back to the external browser option. I'm the only user of this PC, so I've got administrator rights, of course. The only other peculiarity of my setup I can think of is that my default Web browser is Mozilla Firefox. For the time being, as a workaround, I've put a shortcut to the index.html file for the English language Help in my GIMP start menu folder. I am not alone with this problem, i have also checked other gimp sites for a solution, so far no luck only found more people with same problem original Author of installers This is the response I got from Jernej Simoncic. He is the man responsible for the installers. I've heard of this happening, but couldn't reproduce this on my home computer. Try asking in the mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gimpwin-users/, maybe somebody there will be able to help you. Nobody there has an answer yet. Oh, come on, try to be a little bit smarter. Again nobody has an answer. so you see Sven i am trying to be a little bit smarter though obviously will never be as smart as a genius like you. Stephen. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-2 and cpu load
Jouni Rinne wrote: Me too, GeForce2 and Riva TNT2, both nVidia-based, dual-head but not xinerama. Maybe here's a start of a clue? I've ruled out the video drivers. I've tried with the S3 Trio card alone, and with all kinds of X server options disabled, and X extensions unloaded, and it's the same. I think your problem is related to mine, but not equivalent. I have narrowed down the culprit to kicker (the kde panel): when I kill it, the cpu load when drawing when GIMP becomes normal. When I start it again, it chews cpu. I don't know fluxbox, but I suggest you stop any ancillary niceties it has one by one and see if it improves the problem. In the meantime, I'll keep investigating the issue with KDE. (PS: I post this here, although clearly it's not (directly) a GIMP issue, because I believe it can be of interest to GIMP users nonetheless. If you reckon this isn't the right list to discuss this problem, feel free to let me know). -- Pierre-Philippe Coupard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer -- The main problem I have with cats is, they're not dogs. -- Kevin Cowherd ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] animated gif logo
could somebelly point me towards a way to make a logoanimated gif? change colors??? say go from gold to blue over and over... :-) ^2 ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Thumbnail viewer
On 14 Aug 2004 18:18:42 +0200 Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the words: Are you using GIMP2 at all? Is thumbnailing enabled in the GIMP preferences? Sven Thumbnailing is enabled. I see all my thumbnails just fine in the open file dialogue of Gimp. Also I have the ~/.thumbnails/ directory. Thanks for the link to the thumbnail management standard pages. I am on Gimp 2.0.4 now. Until yesterday I was using 2.0.2. When you say is thumbnailing enabled in the GIMP preferences? may I ask 'exactly' where that would be at. I have gone thru all the preferences settings, and anyplace that relates to thumbnail size or such it is enabled. But it wouldn't be the first time I have missed the obvious. Adrian -- On The Fly Photography -:- Creation From Chaos On The Fly Photography: http://204EastSouth.com Purchase from On The Fly: http://www.cafepress.com/onthefly ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] animated gif logo
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:28:24 -0400 Terry Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could somebelly point me towards a way to make a logoanimated gif? change colors??? say go from gold to blue over and over... :-) ^2 Go here ;) http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Simple_Animations/ I know that you can also have a global palette and a local palette for each frame, a few applications support this. I don't know if gimp can do that. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Slow [Unsharp Mask] with particular settings
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 08:18:14AM -0700, William Skaggs wrote: Does Photoshop do it a lot faster with the same parameters? Very much so. I created a panorama earlier this evening and ran it through the workflow action I'm porting to GIMP and the haze removal step took only a few seconds, and this on a 275MB image. -- Steve Crane http://craniac.afraid.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Thumbnail viewer
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:36:09AM -0600, Linux GIMP wrote: When you say is thumbnailing enabled in the GIMP preferences? may I ask 'exactly' where that would be at. I have gone thru all the preferences settings, and anyplace that relates to thumbnail size or such it is enabled. But it wouldn't be the first time I have missed the obvious. File --Preferences --Environment carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] help menu again!
Hi, stepg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm using Windows XP Home SP1. I installed GTK 2.4.3, GIMP 2.0.3, GIMP Help 2.0.3, and GAP 2.0.2. Everything seems to work splendidly -- except that the help system doesn't seem to work. Specifically, the tips window pops up at startup, but pressing F1 or selecting Help doesn't bring up the Help pages. The first time I try it in a session, I get a working in the background cursor for about fifteen seconds or so, then it switches back to the regular cursor. There's no error message, or any other indication that anything's gone wrong, just no Help. Trying to launch it again doesn't even change the cursor -- nothing happens at all. Same story with context sensitive help. What GIMP is trying to do here (on Win32) is to open the systemwide configured webbrowser. I have no idea why this is failing for you. The relevant code is in plug-ins/common/webbrowser.c: ShellExecute (HWND_DESKTOP, open, url, NULL, NULL, SW_SHOWNORMAL); Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] animated gif logo
Hi, ivanova [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that you can also have a global palette and a local palette for each frame, a few applications support this. I don't know if gimp can do that. GIMP doesn't support writing individual palettes per frame. It will always use a global palette only. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] help menu again!
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, stepg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm using Windows XP Home SP1. I installed GTK 2.4.3, GIMP 2.0.3, GIMP Help 2.0.3, and GAP 2.0.2. Everything seems to work splendidly -- except that the help system doesn't seem to work. Specifically, the tips window pops up at startup, but pressing F1 or selecting Help doesn't bring up the Help pages. The first time I try it in a session, I get a working in the background cursor for about fifteen seconds or so, then it switches back to the regular cursor. There's no error message, or any other indication that anything's gone wrong, just no Help. Trying to launch it again doesn't even change the cursor -- nothing happens at all. Same story with context sensitive help. What GIMP is trying to do here (on Win32) is to open the systemwide configured webbrowser. I have no idea why this is failing for you. Usually, this indicates that there isn't really a default browser - something that happens frequently when new browsers are uninstalled and installed. HTH, Michael -- The GIMP http://www.gimp.org| IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Sodipodi http://sodipodi.sf.net | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/sodipodi ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Slow [Unsharp Mask] with particular settings
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 08:57:46PM +0200, Steve Crane wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 08:18:14AM -0700, William Skaggs wrote: Does Photoshop do it a lot faster with the same parameters? Very much so. I created a panorama earlier this evening and ran it through the workflow action I'm porting to GIMP and the haze removal step took only a few seconds, and this on a 275MB image. what did you use for haze removal? when i use value levels to remove haze, it works very very fast on my gimp. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Slow [Unsharp Mask] with particular settings
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 01:05:29PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: what did you use for haze removal? USM with radius 60, amount 0.30 and threshold 1. -- Steve Crane http://craniac.afraid.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Slow [Unsharp Mask] with particular settings
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:33:33PM +0200, Steve Crane wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 01:05:29PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: what did you use for haze removal? USM with radius 60, amount 0.30 and threshold 1. without having the chance (or a photo handy) to check this with, are you certain that unsharp mask is better than using levels? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Thumbnail viewer
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:09:22 -0700 Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the words: On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:36:09AM -0600, Linux GIMP wrote: When you say is thumbnailing enabled in the GIMP preferences? may I ask 'exactly' where that would be at. I have gone thru all the preferences settings, and anyplace that relates to thumbnail size or such it is enabled. But it wouldn't be the first time I have missed the obvious. File --Preferences --Environment carol Ah, yes they are. And they are set to large if that makes a difference. I wasn't actually aware until now that this was the place to turn them off, as opposed to simply determining what size they would be. Thank you. Adrian -- On The Fly Photography -:- Creation From Chaos On The Fly Photography: http://204EastSouth.com Purchase from On The Fly: http://www.cafepress.com/onthefly ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Slow [Unsharp Mask] with particular settings
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 03:00:01PM -0700, carol wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:33:33PM +0200, Steve Crane wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 01:05:29PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: what did you use for haze removal? USM with radius 60, amount 0.30 and threshold 1. without having the chance (or a photo handy) to check this with, are you certain that unsharp mask is better than using levels? the method i always used is to move the pointers on the dialog to where the colors start on the values histogram (black and white sides) then a tiny (was supposed to be 10% of the greater movement of the ends) adjustment to the middle triangle, to adjust the contrast some. i have never seen unsharp mask used for haze reduction. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Thumbnail viewer
Hi, Linux GIMP [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, yes they are. And they are set to large if that makes a difference. I wasn't actually aware until now that this was the place to turn them off, as opposed to simply determining what size they would be. Hmm, them being set to large could be a problem. gthumb wouldn't implement the spec properly then but I could imagine that perhaps it looks for thumbnails in size normal only. If that turns out to be causing your problem, you should file a bug report against gthumb. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
