[efloraofindia:453855] Re: Myriactis?
Thank you Dr Singh and Mr Garg for digging this up and confirming the ID. Warm regards, Ashwini On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 at 3:08 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > Yes Garg ji, M. wightii > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 1:25 PM JM Garg wrote: > >> Taking it as *Myriactis wightii *as per discussions in the post at Myriactis >> nepalensis on eFI >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/XxJ2Y4Lk1x8> >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: ashwini >> Date: Friday, 19 September, 2014 at 10:28:27 am UTC+5:30 >> Subject: Myriactis? >> To: efloraofindia >> >> >> Good morning everyone, >> These tiny flowers (about 1-2cm) are growing everywhere on the >> mountainsides. The central part is pale green, not as bright as that of a >> fleabane or a daisy (it belongs to the general daisy/aster/sunflower >> tribe). I take it to be Nepal Myriactis but please correct me if I am wrong. >> >> Nepal Myriactis (Myriactis nepalensis) >> Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >> About 1700m >> 17-18 September 2014. >> >> Are there any common names for this in English? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAOCD6NNgEVSwZubOy2Sw5kA3PHvBUv2A6uDKW4f15LU%3DJEB5Mg%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:438947] Happy New Year!
Thank you Mr Garg. I miss the group too. Hopefully soon I will start posting. Warm regards, Ashwini On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 1:29 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > We always miss you for your detailed and wonderful images and analysis. > > On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 at 15:58, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Thanks, Ashwini ji >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Sun, 1 Jan, 2023, 12:22 pm Ashwini Bhatia, >> wrote: >> >>> Warmest wishes for a wonderful and productive 2023 to everyone! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9BqvmQ7VA9%3DX4%2BPouP3FDyeeM0R1mPA_ot5Wndp9q20mQ%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9BqvmQ7VA9%3DX4%2BPouP3FDyeeM0R1mPA_ot5Wndp9q20mQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAOCD6NPhDfo6jOWfePhStn0bVBGgaQd1_2pVWajq6doKo6tyTA%40mail.gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:438906] Happy New Year!
Warmest wishes for a wonderful and productive 2023 to everyone! Sincerely, Ashwini -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9BqvmQ7VA9%3DX4%2BPouP3FDyeeM0R1mPA_ot5Wndp9q20mQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:433569] Aster for ID ABOCT2017/03
Thank you very much for sorting this. Sincerely, Ashwini On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 8:54 PM, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > Yes! *Cordiofontis laka *(C.B.Clarke) G.L.Nesom looks the correct ID ! > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 4:09 PM J.M. Garg wrote: > >> A reply from Om Prakash ji: >> "It is Aster laka" >> >> Thanks a lot, Om Prakash ji >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ashwini Bhatia >> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 at 21:18 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:278652] Aster for ID ABOCT2017/03 >> To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >> >> >> There was not much left after an active grazing season above Ilaqa at >> 3300m. I tried to look between rocks and other places where the animals >> would have had difficulty grazing. I was rewarded with one species which I >> could not identify correctly. This is an aster I think but beyond this I >> cannot place it. Please help identify it. >> >> Above Ilaqa, Dharamshala, HP >> 3300m approx. >> 01 October 2017 >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "eFloraofIndia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCN9uc21BzYg9Qa4qyW0fPGMHbCL%2BPtt%2Bsp4YeVpOLWvA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CA%2BiuSFCN9uc21BzYg9Qa4qyW0fPGMHbCL%2BPtt%2Bsp4YeVpOLWvA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAOCD6NOk4gvKy7YD6jZUGpLMQ1zOx3ZtXoiikgy2JFiFwtWagg%40mail.gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:406266] Re: Tree/shrub
Thank you Dr Singh. It’s almost certainly *Debregeasia seaneb* only. I was clumsy in the beginning to not attach future posts of the same species under the same thread. Warm regards, Ashwini On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 8:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > Forwarding for ID > Distributed as Debregeasia saeneb ? > <https://efloraofindia.com/2014/10/13/debregeasia-saeneb-1/> > Group discussion at > Tree/shrub (google.com) > <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/XL5AUL99i98> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: ashwini > Date: Thursday, October 2, 2014 at 6:58:24 PM UTC+5:30 > Subject: Tree/shrub > To: efloraofindia > > > This plant is versatile–growing to be a tree or a hardy shrub either off > the ground or poking out of rock crevices and stone walls. The leaves are > silver on the underside attached by reddish brown stalks. Please help in > identification. > > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1750m > 1 October 2014 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAOCD6NPgeqTOesFxhBS1xLbZWZf__EmO0kGXnUU22RBEgUf4UA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:404573] Fwd: Another Tree for ID/ABDEC27
Thank you Mr Garg. I think it could be *Machilus odoratissima*. Warm regards, Ashwini On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 9:53 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 22:49 > Subject: [efloraofindia:403646] Fwd: Another Tree for ID/ABDEC27 > To: efloraofindia > > > I am forwarding it again to the group as my earlier message bounced back, > being larger than 8mb. I have deleted a couple of files. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 22:47 > Subject: Re: Another Tree for ID/ABDEC27 > To: Gurcharan Singh > Cc: efloraofindia > > > > Dear Mr. Singh, > Thank you for resurfacing this, I had the opportunity to see the tree in > flower last year and think it is likely to be *Machilus odoratissima. *Here > are a few images to support my ID. > > With regards, > Ashwini > > > > From: Gurcharan Singh >> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 10:26 >> Subject: Fwd: Another Tree for ID/ABDEC27 >> To: indiantreepix , Ashwini Bhatia < >> ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com> >> >> >> Forwarding for ID >> Distributed as Lauraceae member- Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2015/01/08/tree-from-dharamshala/> >> Group discussion at >> Another Tree for ID/ABDEC27 (google.com) >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/XIqing9mohU> >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: ashwini >> Date: Friday, December 12, 2014 at 5:48:52 PM UTC+5:30 >> Subject: Another Tree for ID/ABDEC27 >> To: efloraofindia >> >> >> This medium size tree is the only sample I have seen so far (I will >> probably see more once I know its identity). I first noticed it last summer >> when I saw abnormal growth on several of its leaves. The growth is still >> there but it is brown and brittle in stead of pink and firm. The bruised >> leaves have a strong betel like smell. Please help identify it. >> >> Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >> 12 December 2014 >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9C33BaVhb%3DwH8PqyXcbi0igUb5pfGedXLZagb-m1%3DOG2Q%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9C33BaVhb%3DwH8PqyXcbi0igUb5pfGedXLZagb-m1%3DOG2Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAOCD6NNvdcCOp8tKcBghoSy5uaQksLsq9ufDkTP8DGsuxs-Zdg%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:404565] Re: What plant?/ABDEC31
Thank you very much Saroj Ji. Warm regards, Ashwini On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 3:04 PM, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > *Duranta erecta* L. > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:23 PM Gurcharan Singh > wrote: > >> Forwarding again for ID >> >> Distributed as Duranta species ?- Dharamshala, HP >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/verbenaceae/duranta/duranta-species/dharamshala-hp> >> >> >> Group discussion at >> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/x1mtSgyRanQ >> >> >> On Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 10:17:25 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for ID >>> >>> Distributed as Duranta species ?- Dharamshala, HP >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/verbenaceae/duranta/duranta-species/dharamshala-hp> >>> >>> >>> Group discussion at >>> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/x1mtSgyRanQ >>> >> >>> -- Forwarded message - >>> From: ashwini >>> Date: Sunday, December 21, 2014 at 8:51:17 PM UTC+5:30 >>> Subject: What plant?/ABDEC31 >>> To: indian...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> >>> These yellow berries with Hibiscus like leaves is common too. I am not >>> sure what this is. Please help. >>> >>> Dharamshala, HP >>> 21 December 2014 >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashwini >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/69505efa-8429-4702-848d-895c89a43d97n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/69505efa-8429-4702-848d-895c89a43d97n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAOCD6NOm3dVgp1AMXhhRDwzLMkjki6LbEmXt8arF5Vky%3D3%3DDVA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:404551] Fwd: Stachytarpheta?/ABMAR23
I think these leaves belong to *Scrophularia himalensis.* Many thanks for resurfacing this again. Warm regards, Ashwini On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 4:21 PM, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > Difficult to ID with these images ! > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:34 PM Gurcharan Singh > wrote: > >> Forwarding for ID >> Distributed as Stachytarpheta species- Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2015/04/01/above-mcleodganj/> >> Group discussion at >> Stachytarpheta?/ABMAR23 (google.com) >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/8KPr3Ygsm34> >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: ashwini >> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:24:58 AM UTC+5:30 >> Subject: Stachytarpheta?/ABMAR23 >> To: efloraofindia >> >> >> These leaves grow commonly around here mostly near water. Their alligator >> like surface is soft to touch and is smooth. I have no idea what these are. >> *Stachytarpheta* species perhaps? >> >> *Stachytarpheta sp.? * >> Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >> 1800m >> 22 March 2015 >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36f1f041-875d-4d49-8478-06e196488f8dn%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/36f1f041-875d-4d49-8478-06e196488f8dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAOCD6NNRidU6fHx4V63Q%2BJxiT9uPZBVZPZ3wstPy%2ByE5KK1xjw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:401985] Dioscorea villosa ABAUG2016/37
Thank you Saroj j, Garg ji and Tabish ji. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 07-Oct-2021, at 7:01 PM, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > > Dioscorea bulbifera to me ! > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 6:27 PM J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > This superficially appears close to images of Dioscorea villosa as per POWO > <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:323908-2>, > FOI <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Wild%20Yam.html>, IBP > <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/229553>. > But POWO > <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:318778-1> > (however, shows many specimens of its syn. Dioscorea sativa L.) and CoL > <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/92596a330bc1fc1476e7a3936e80954b/synonym/aad127597ca3d70aa0273d711505f8e2> > does not give its distribution in India. > FoPI > <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3468=7> > also lists Dioscorea sativa L. > > I feel there is some taxonomic confusion. It may be Dioscorea bulbifera L. > <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/d/dioscoreaceae/dioscorea/dioscorea-bulbifera> > (syn: Dioscorea sativa var. elongata F.M.Bailey; Dioscorea sativa var. > rotunda F.M.Bailey as per POWO > <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:323908-2> > and Dioscorea sativa L., nom. cons. as per CoL > <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/92596a330bc1fc1476e7a3936e80954b/synonym/aad127597ca3d70aa0273d711505f8e2>) > only. > > Tabish ji, > Also needs correction in FOI. > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 at 19:53 > Subject: [efloraofindia:249346] Dioscorea villosa ABAUG2016/37 > To: mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Found this Dioscorea the other day too. I believe this is the Wild Yam, D. > villosa. Please validate. > > Dioscorea villosa—Wild Yam > Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1800m > 03 August 2016. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > <_MG_1044_03Aug2016.jpg><_MG_1047_03Aug2016.jpg> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/F6516D31-A814-49D0-A635-B4FE283C8829%40ashwinibhatia.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:401984] Fwd: Juncus thomsonii ABJUL01/23
Thank you Saroj ji. This is from my early days of botanising and I had failed to collect sufficient evidence. I will do so soon. Thank you Gurcharan Singh ji for resurfacing this and a few of my earlier posts. I am grateful. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 09-Oct-2021, at 8:13 PM, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > > Not sufficient details . Juncus leucomelas Royle ex D.Don ?? > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 6:07 PM Gurcharan Singh <mailto:singh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Forwarding for ID > Distributed as Juncus species- Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > <https://efloraofindia.com/2017/07/02/macleodgunj/> > Group discussion at > Juncus thomsonii ABJUL01/23 (google.com) > <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/yfrckZS4HFQ> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: ashwini mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 8:46:02 AM UTC+5:30 > Subject: Juncus thomsonii ABJUL01/23 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > I found this flower growing on grass-like leaves and assumed it to be a > grass. The light was low and breeze constant, so I did not take many > pictures. Here are a couple though and I think this is a Rush. Please advise. > > Juncus thomsonii—Thomson’s Rush > 1900-2200m, Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 09 July 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/87292dc6-5554-492c-94e1-86b16fcf41d5n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/87292dc6-5554-492c-94e1-86b16fcf41d5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > <_MG_2770_09July2016.jpg><_MG_2766_09July2016.jpg> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/786F61F1-7F4B-48F0-B246-215E4133CA35%40ashwinibhatia.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:401983] Re: Goodyera? ABSEP2016/43
Thank you Pankaj ji as always. With warm regards, Ashwini > On 10-Oct-2021, at 6:34 AM, Pankaj Kumar wrote: > > This is Goodyera repens. > Pankaj > > On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 at 18:48, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, Pankaj ji, > Where to keep it finally? > > On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 16:26, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Pankaj ji > > On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 15:31, Dr Pankaj Kumar <mailto:sahanipan...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hm this is a bit confusing. > Pankaj > > On Friday, 23 September 2016 at 23:04:15 UTC+8 ashwini wrote: > I have been meaning to post these photos for a while but did not get the time > earlier. i found this above Triund on my way down from Ilaqa earlier this > month. The flowers look a lot like those of the Goodyera repens but the > leaves appear different. Please advise. > > > Ilaqa-Triund-Mcleodganj, HP > 3100m > 03-04 September 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a9be0b1c-908c-4e02-9c93-87863bc02afdn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/a9be0b1c-908c-4e02-9c93-87863bc02afdn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > > -- > Pankaj Kumar, Ph.D. > IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia > > 32, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen, Lam Tsuen, > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China > email: sahanipan...@gmail.com <mailto:sahanipan...@gmail.com> > Phone: +852 9436 6251 (mobile) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/B5356008-2576-493E-8967-BDD6F1A8583F%40ashwinibhatia.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:351769] Lindenbergia indica/ABDEC15
Thank you Mr Garg. I had suspected it to be so but didn’t do a detailed study. I will look at it closely again. With warm regards, Ashwini > On 03-Jun-2020, at 2:12 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > This should be Lindenbergia muraria > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/p/plantaginaceae/lindenbergia-indica/lindenbergia-ruderalis> > as per details, keys and references herein. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 at 16:11 > Subject: [efloraofindia:208268] Lindenbergia indica/ABDEC15 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Speaking of nettles, I found these Nettle Leaved Lindenbergia (Dogflower > family) growing again in the stone walls. > > Nettle Leaved Lindenbergia–Lindenbergia indica > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 6 December 2014 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/83F2976F-89ED-4350-9CC7-FC3384D20AC2%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:350911] Fwd: West Himalayan Fir (Abies pindrow)
I meant, *Picea smithiana*. Thanks. Ashwini On Sat, 23 May, 2020, 6:45 AM mcleodwild, wrote: > Dear Mr Garg, > It is very likely Picea Smithiana, Himalayan Spruce. > > Cedar needles are in a bunch and the cones upright. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/WzywmyrU5Gg/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/82892933-22f4-49ee-ab92-f53d1e6c7313%40googlegroups.com > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9DSoDB-B30%3Ds7M%3DKRdz97poV8YAM20eQPaGpqJ4_OA%2BFw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:350867] Tree id_200520_Bavdhan hill_Pune
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[efloraofindia:350715] Tree id_190520_Bavdhan hill
Sorry...Typo Miliusa tomentosa?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/8ee26fa9-e53e-48b1-8238-c10223b9b4a7%40googlegroups.com.
[efloraofindia:350714] Tree id_190520_Bavdhan hill
Is this Miliusa momentos (Annonaceae)?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7f4b40d7-5df6-42f0-a5f4-f530df8dd836%40googlegroups.com.
[efloraofindia:350709] Tree id_190520_Bavdhan hill
Id please .. of a medium size tree, found At Bavdhan Hill (Pune, Maharashtra). Fruits were seen, no flowers. Thanks, Ashwini -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/174d37e1-d8f5-45dc-91f5-cf339b61c8da%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:350632] More fungus for ID ABAUG01/15
Thank you Mr. Garg for resurfacing this post. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 17-May-2020, at 9:38 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Ganoderma lucidum ? > > -- Forwarded message ----- > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 at 18:25 > Subject: [efloraofindia:229787] More fungus for ID ABAUG01/15 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > This one shaped like a table lamp is from a couple of days ago. The top of > the cap was bright orange made brighter by rain. Please bear with me for a > couple of these posts. For future ones I will include spore prints. > > Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1800m > 13 August 2015 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > <_MG_8137_13August15.jpg><_MG_8142_13August15.jpg> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/F0FFE5EE-DD8B-41E8-9036-5F0CC4ED2C03%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:350630] Meconopsis aculeata? ABJUL2017/07
Thank you Mr. Garg. Now I know that the colour varies from pale blue to bright blue to pink. I will share pictures of a pink flower I photographed last year soon. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 17-May-2020, at 5:56 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > I could find the similar white coloured form at Semantic Scholar > <https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/CONSERVATION-STATUS-ASSESSMENT-OF-MECONOPSIS-ROYLE-Majid-Ahmad/d44234cd1cb893b47b5faa02c7f20b1b063bb720/figure/0> > > On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 17:34, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Forwarding again for validation please as Meconopsis aculeata > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/p/papaveraceae/meconopsis/meconopsis-aculeata> > > ------ Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 at 14:11 > Subject: [efloraofindia:272070] Meconopsis aculeata? ABJUL2017/07 > To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > Cc: D.S Rawat <mailto:drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com>> > > > Last year I had posted withered flowers of the same plant from the same > location (I am starting a new thread for clarity) and now I have the fresh > flower. Dr Rawat had suggested M. aculeata and I agree with his ID. I am > wondering if the plant bears white flowers (there is a slight blue hue in the > whites) too and whether it could be another similar plant. Please advise. > > Meconopsis aculeata? > Above Triund, Dharamshala, HP > 3100m approx. > 03-04 July 2017 > > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/052F5F55-13D8-4EB3-8E9D-71F1504BF4BF%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:348635] Veronica serpyllifolia ABMAY2017/03
Thank you very much Mr. Garg. I had seen the Go Botany keys but was wondering ion a member had first hand experience of the subspecies. I will file the other ssp. Soon. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 22-Apr-2020, at 9:34 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Hi, Ashwini ji, > I got the keys from Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas > <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=akXKOaT69SwC=PA77=PA77=Veronica+serpyllifolia+subsp.+serpyllifolia+%2B+V.+serpyllifolia+subsp.+humifusa+%2B+keys=bl=tpxN2LyABc=ACfU3U0kM1RuT3lNOxxMnBWxJAusiibVuQ=en=X=2ahUKEwjf_MqQkvvoAhUOU30KHUA7BDAQ6AEwEHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage=Veronica%20serpyllifolia%20subsp.%20serpyllifolia%20%2B%20V.%20serpyllifolia%20subsp.%20humifusa%20%2B%20keys=false> > By Francis & Pennell. > > I also got the keys as below from Go Botany > <https://gobotany.nativeplanttrust.org/species/veronica/serpyllifolia/>: > 1a. Corolla blue, 5–8 (–10) mm wide; pubescence of pedicels, in part, of > viscid or glandular hairs; filaments 2–4 mm long; racemes with 8–15 flowers; > larger capsules 4–6 mm wide > … 17a. V. serpyllifolia ssp. humifusa > (Dickson) Syme > 1b. Corolla pale blue with blue lines, 2–4 (–6) mm wide; pedicels puberulent > with eglandular hairs; filaments 1–2.5 mm long; racemes with (12–) 20–40 > flowers; capsules 3–4 mm wide > … 17b. V. serpyllifolia ssp. > serpyllifolia > > Pl. check. > > > > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 17:15, mcleodwild <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Could this plant shared by me in 2017 be V. serpyllifolia ssp. humifusa? > > I am asking because I recently found a smaller and whiter version of this > species at 1800m which I suspect to be ssp. serpyllifolia. Please advise. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > On Monday, 8 May 2017 16:28:36 UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: > Superb images, Ashwini ji > > On 6 May 2017 7:31 p.m., "Ashwini Bhatia" > wrote: > This one was just above Triund. I think this is V. serpyllifolia. Please > advise. > > Veronica serpyllifolia > Triund > 2850m approx. > 03-04 May 2017 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indian...@googlegroups.com <>. > To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com <>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/d0c93f7a-e149-4893-bde7-3aeee8d10172%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/d0c93f7a-e149-4893-bde7-3aeee8d10172%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/01852783-57A9-499E-BC6F-C0BB9B9DDA56%40gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:347916] Re: Viola pilosa or Viola canescens ABApril_2020/01
Thank you Mr. Garg. You are too kind. Regards, Ashwini On Sun, 12 Apr, 2020, 8:52 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > In fact all this new learning has been because of your persistence and > super follow up presentations. > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 20:51, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >> We are always open and change our ids and pages when we ourselves find >> new evidence. >> >> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 18:29, Ashwini Bhatia >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Mr. Garg. We can conclude for the time being that the flowers >>> here are *V. canescens*. >>> >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> On 12-Apr-2020, at 1:58 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Ashwini ji. >>> I think style matches with the illustration. Ovary is also hairy. >>> If we may examine hundreds of specimens, we may find little variation >>> here and there in most of the characters. >>> All hundreds of specimens can not be put in an image, only a >>> representative images can be made. Same is for the description. >>> As far as style of Viola pilosa >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>> is >>> concerned, we have not seen the close up as you have shown for the other >>> species. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 13:10, Ashwini Bhatia >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Sending here a combined image for reference and comparison. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashwini >>>> >>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 13:03, Ashwini Bhatia >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>> I agree with you that if we are certain about the flowers on our >>>>> website here >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>> being *Viola pilosa*, then as certainly the flowers from Dharamshala >>>>> are not *V. pilosa*. As the images below show, they have a >>>>> three-lobed stigma and the pointed lip. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/18709915a1a38/_DSC0732%20-%20Copy.JPG?part=0.3=1=ANaJVrHtj7ZHsf69djLbP1FCOPxM2mjOS-k4-1BGLdC92xV0dz2p5eiPZpbhRnyxjj5OGCfw1gPFLC5YUga35lktvq0Cs9QL9BeT_Y4y4YwJqF-QdnCDEBw >>>>> >>>>> https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/2f0eca70ef548d1e/ID.jpg?part=0.1=1=ANaJVrHOJ5wqfYQZIWIRiwBTCrUsRrn21uwlgV_vAwPX0ZUnlZC05Ue92Ojidg7HhNiOnPsPuZ8hx9EuP4n30fgYYnDOuATzm_TJgcd8alVmOV54DAtrrCI >>>>> >>>>> These should be the defining characters then. But that will also prove >>>>> that the illustration provided by Santosh Agarwal ji is not reliable and >>>>> neither is the description in FOP or FOC for that matter. The older >>>>> literature such as *Flora Simlensis* and *Flowers of the Himalaya* both >>>>> win here. >>>>> >>>>> Tabish ji has already included a 3-lobed stigma in his description on >>>>> FOI, which stand correct. >>>>> >>>>> So if FOC, FOP and the illustration of styles cannot be relied upon, >>>>> how will we file flowers from Dharamshala under *V. canescens*? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 12:03, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attaching a plate provided by Santosh Agarwal ji in Viola >>>>>> confusa?/ABMAR21 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/v3iEgrK7nOU> >>>>>> Style is more closer to Viola canescens >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>> rather >>>>>> than Viola pilosa >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel we have to rely more on Flora of Pakistan >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607> as >>>>>> both the species are listed here (and found in the area) and this issue >>>>>> must have been deliberated for long times and keys framed accordingly
[efloraofindia:347885] Re: Viola pilosa or Viola canescens ABApril_2020/01
Thank you Mr. Garg. We can conclude for the time being that the flowers here are V. canescens. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 12-Apr-2020, at 1:58 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Hi, Ashwini ji. > I think style matches with the illustration. Ovary is also hairy. > If we may examine hundreds of specimens, we may find little variation here > and there in most of the characters. > All hundreds of specimens can not be put in an image, only a representative > images can be made. Same is for the description. > As far as style of Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > is concerned, we have not seen the close up as you have shown for the other > species. > > > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 13:10, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Sending here a combined image for reference and comparison. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 13:03, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > I agree with you that if we are certain about the flowers on our website here > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > being Viola pilosa, then as certainly the flowers from Dharamshala are not > V. pilosa. As the images below show, they have a three-lobed stigma and the > pointed lip. > > https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/18709915a1a38/_DSC0732%20-%20Copy.JPG?part=0.3=1=ANaJVrHtj7ZHsf69djLbP1FCOPxM2mjOS-k4-1BGLdC92xV0dz2p5eiPZpbhRnyxjj5OGCfw1gPFLC5YUga35lktvq0Cs9QL9BeT_Y4y4YwJqF-QdnCDEBw > > <https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/18709915a1a38/_DSC0732%20-%20Copy.JPG?part=0.3=1=ANaJVrHtj7ZHsf69djLbP1FCOPxM2mjOS-k4-1BGLdC92xV0dz2p5eiPZpbhRnyxjj5OGCfw1gPFLC5YUga35lktvq0Cs9QL9BeT_Y4y4YwJqF-QdnCDEBw> > https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/2f0eca70ef548d1e/ID.jpg?part=0.1=1=ANaJVrHOJ5wqfYQZIWIRiwBTCrUsRrn21uwlgV_vAwPX0ZUnlZC05Ue92Ojidg7HhNiOnPsPuZ8hx9EuP4n30fgYYnDOuATzm_TJgcd8alVmOV54DAtrrCI > > <https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/2f0eca70ef548d1e/ID.jpg?part=0.1=1=ANaJVrHOJ5wqfYQZIWIRiwBTCrUsRrn21uwlgV_vAwPX0ZUnlZC05Ue92Ojidg7HhNiOnPsPuZ8hx9EuP4n30fgYYnDOuATzm_TJgcd8alVmOV54DAtrrCI> > > These should be the defining characters then. But that will also prove that > the illustration provided by Santosh Agarwal ji is not reliable and neither > is the description in FOP or FOC for that matter. The older literature such > as Flora Simlensis and Flowers of the Himalaya both win here. > > Tabish ji has already included a 3-lobed stigma in his description on FOI, > which stand correct. > > So if FOC, FOP and the illustration of styles cannot be relied upon, how will > we file flowers from Dharamshala under V. canescens? > > Thank you. > Ashwini > > > > > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 12:03, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Attaching a plate provided by Santosh Agarwal ji in Viola confusa?/ABMAR21 > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/v3iEgrK7nOU> > Style is more closer to Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > rather than Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > > I feel we have to rely more on Flora of Pakistan > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607> as both > the species are listed here (and found in the area) and this issue must have > been deliberated for long times and keys framed accordingly due to confusing > nature between the two. > > Leaves are clearly acuminate in Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > and not so in Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > There is a clear difference as to how style is visible in the live flowers in > both species at Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > and Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > One more point is the nature of the lower petal being mostly acute or > acuminate in Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > and obtuse in Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > > > I think the above three point combined together should clinch th
[efloraofindia:347842] Re: Viola pilosa or Viola canescens ABApril_2020/01
Dear Mr. Garg, I agree with you that if we are certain about the flowers on our website here <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> being *Viola pilosa*, then as certainly the flowers from Dharamshala are not *V. pilosa*. As the images below show, they have a three-lobed stigma and the pointed lip. https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/18709915a1a38/_DSC0732%20-%20Copy.JPG?part=0.3=1=ANaJVrHtj7ZHsf69djLbP1FCOPxM2mjOS-k4-1BGLdC92xV0dz2p5eiPZpbhRnyxjj5OGCfw1gPFLC5YUga35lktvq0Cs9QL9BeT_Y4y4YwJqF-QdnCDEBw https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/2f0eca70ef548d1e/ID.jpg?part=0.1=1=ANaJVrHOJ5wqfYQZIWIRiwBTCrUsRrn21uwlgV_vAwPX0ZUnlZC05Ue92Ojidg7HhNiOnPsPuZ8hx9EuP4n30fgYYnDOuATzm_TJgcd8alVmOV54DAtrrCI These should be the defining characters then. But that will also prove that the illustration provided by Santosh Agarwal ji is not reliable and neither is the description in FOP or FOC for that matter. The older literature such as *Flora Simlensis* and *Flowers of the Himalaya* both win here. Tabish ji has already included a 3-lobed stigma in his description on FOI, which stand correct. So if FOC, FOP and the illustration of styles cannot be relied upon, how will we file flowers from Dharamshala under *V. canescens*? Thank you. Ashwini On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 12:03, J.M. Garg wrote: > Attaching a plate provided by Santosh Agarwal ji in Viola confusa?/ABMAR21 > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/v3iEgrK7nOU> > Style is more closer to Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > rather > than Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > > I feel we have to rely more on Flora of Pakistan > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607> as > both the species are listed here (and found in the area) and this issue > must have been deliberated for long times and keys framed accordingly due > to confusing nature between the two. > > *Leaves* are clearly acuminate in Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > and > not so in Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > There is a clear difference as to how *style* is visible in the > live flowers in both species at Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > and > Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > One more point is the *nature of the lower petal *being mostly acute or > acuminate in Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > and > obtuse in Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > > > I think the above three point combined together should clinch the id in > most of the cases. > > > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 11:14, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Thank you Mr. Garg and Tabish ji for your comments. We can all appreciate >> the difficulties involved. >> >> The issue boils down to which source(s) we trust the most in our >> identifications. Especially when the sources we usually refer to do not >> agree with each other. >> >> When I began looking at the two viola species in Dharamshala in 2015, the >> first characteristic I looked at was the stipules. I was told that the >> fringed ones meant canescens and toothed ones pilosa. Now I have learnt >> that these can be variable. FOC describes them for V. Pilosa as "stipules >> mostly free, brown or green, lanceolate, margin long or shortly >> fimbriate-dentate, apex long acuminate”. >> >> Flora of China does not include *V. c**anescens* in its list of viola >> species in China but makes a brief comment under *V. pilosa* description "In >> FRPS (51: 90. 1991), the name *Viola canescens* Wallich was misapplied >> to this species.” FRPS is Latin for Flora of China. This is not elaborated >> further so we will not know if the author(s) does not approve of *V. >> canescens* as a valid species or is merely suggesting that these >> features were earlier confused with *V. canescens*. >> >> Next, I learnt that to know violas, one has to look at the style/stigma. >> So I did my best to look at the style closely. I found out that the *style >> is club-shaped, gradually thickening upwards culminating in a perforated >> stigma placed on
[efloraofindia:347824] Re: Viola pilosa or Viola canescens ABApril_2020/01
Thank you Mr. Garg and Tabish ji for your comments. We can all appreciate the difficulties involved. The issue boils down to which source(s) we trust the most in our identifications. Especially when the sources we usually refer to do not agree with each other. When I began looking at the two viola species in Dharamshala in 2015, the first characteristic I looked at was the stipules. I was told that the fringed ones meant canescens and toothed ones pilosa. Now I have learnt that these can be variable. FOC describes them for V. Pilosa as "stipules mostly free, brown or green, lanceolate, margin long or shortly fimbriate-dentate, apex long acuminate”. Flora of China does not include V. canescens in its list of viola species in China but makes a brief comment under V. pilosa description "In FRPS (51: 90. 1991), the name Viola canescens Wallich was misapplied to this species.” FRPS is Latin for Flora of China. This is not elaborated further so we will not know if the author(s) does not approve of V. canescens as a valid species or is merely suggesting that these features were earlier confused with V. canescens. Next, I learnt that to know violas, one has to look at the style/stigma. So I did my best to look at the style closely. I found out that the style is club-shaped, gradually thickening upwards culminating in a perforated stigma placed on the side. This matches the description given by FOC for V. pilosa. But Flora of Pakistan gives the stigma for V. canescens as club-shaped but does not elaborate more. FOP does not give the shape of the stigma for V. pilosa but tells us that it is beaked. The perforation-like stigma, can be seen like a beak from an angle but I am not sure if I want to base my identification on a feature that is open to interpretation. Flora Simlensis says that V. canescens has a truncated stigma and not beaked, and describes stigma for V. serpens (synonym of V. pilosa) as being three-lobed and beaked. The stigma on our plant may look truncated to the naked eye but under a modest magnification, the shape becomes obvious. Flowers of the Himalaya lists V. pilosa as having a 3-lobed stigma with a beak too but does not comment on the stigma of V. canescens. So neither the stipules nor the style/stigma shapes are agreed upon in the literature. FOC pdf was compiled in 2007 and could be the most recent study we have on the genus in China/Asia. I am not sure how often the Flora of Pakistan is updated but the books I have consulted are all much older than 2007. But since the study does not include V. canescens at all, we are still left wondering. Our species matches the descriptions broadly for V. pilosa in FOC and V. canescens in FOP. How do we move forward? Thank you and regards, Ashwini > On 12-Apr-2020, at 9:47 AM, Tabish wrote: > > This is from FOC description of Viola pilosa: > "styles clavate, base slightly geniculate, gradually thickened upward; > stigmas ± flat, not margined, very inconspicuously short beaked in front, > with smaller stigma hole at tip of beak." > best wishes > Tabish > > On Sun, 12 Apr, 2020, 8:38 AM J.M. Garg, <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > As both species are quite confusing, these key features are not visible in > images of Viola canescens at FOI > <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20White%20Violet.html>. > I have doubts about correctness of these images in FOI. > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 08:27, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Pl. see Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens>. > I think style is the best clue. Here style is club shaped. Leaves are also > not acuminate. > > As per keys in Flora of Pakistan > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607>: > 13 <> (12) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-12> > Stigma beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-14> > + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014339> > > 14 <> (13) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-13> > Leaves acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate > 3 Viola pilosa > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014403> > + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014395> > > On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 23:36, Tabish <mailto:t
Re: [efloraofindia:347740] Re: SK1169 03 JUNE 2018
No problem Saroj ji. Was just excited by the possibility of a three-lobed stigma. Thank you. Ashwini > On 11-Apr-2020, at 2:51 PM, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > > Dear Ashwini Ji, > > These are the only images I have ! Sorry! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:15 PM mcleodwild <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Saroj ji, > Could you please show us a close up of the stigma if you happen to have it > (or a higher res. of _DSC0651). It might be three-lobed and will be > interesting to see. > > Thank you. > Ashwini > > > On Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:48:50 UTC+5:30, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: > Dear Members, > > Location : Lava, Kalimpong, India > Date : 11 May 2018 > Elevation : 7000 ft. > Habit : Wild > > Which Viola ?? > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7d9730c4-f41b-462b-8066-44127b92c68b%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7d9730c4-f41b-462b-8066-44127b92c68b%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/W-mMNJ58f34/unsubscribe > <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/W-mMNJ58f34/unsubscribe>. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytRshGVeFqrkxAe9RFcFvPUGUrrs2RF%2BsfUaiMMu3w%3DADQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytRshGVeFqrkxAe9RFcFvPUGUrrs2RF%2BsfUaiMMu3w%3DADQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/406F6F55-FD20-47CB-919D-F6BCE709ADD6%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:347698] Re: Viola sp for identification ? Yazali,Arunachal Pradesh 23.3.16
Thank you Dipankar ji for the additional image. I agree with you that your viola is likely to be *V. diffusa*. But violas are very deceptive and we may learn it is an entirely different species. If you happen to visit the area anytime in the near future, you can always have a relook. Warm regards, Ashwini On Fri, 10 Apr, 2020, 7:43 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji and Dipankar ji. > Very important feedback and inputs. > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Dipankar Borah > Date: Fri 10 Apr, 2020, 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:347695] Re: Viola sp for identification ? > Yazali,Arunachal Pradesh 23.3.16 > To: efloraofindia > > > Dear Ashwini ji and Garg ji, > Thank you for the identification. I totally agree with the observations of > the characters by Ashwini Ji (the only clearly visible characters are the > winged petioles, hairs on the leaves, purple flowers with slightly hairy > sepals.) The time I took these photos, I was not sure what to look at. With > the pictures I have, I too think it is V.diffusa. It might have a short > spur quite not visible here, though you can get a hint in the image I am > attaching here. > > With kindest regards > Dipankar > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:45 PM Ashwini Bhatia > wrote: > >> The only clearly visible characters are the winged petioles, hair on the >> leaves, purple flowers with slightly hairy sepals. >> >> Can Dipankar ji confirm if there was a spur or not? If there was a short >> spur, one could look at *Viola diffusa*. If not, then I am not sure. The >> only spurless species mentioned in FOC is *Viola hederacea* which is >> native to Australia. >> >> I am attaching a pdf from Flora of China for further reference. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/9D9D59C9-CAA0-4B8B-8D7B-59AFF63C7D71%40gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/9D9D59C9-CAA0-4B8B-8D7B-59AFF63C7D71%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> On 10-Apr-2020, at 6:06 PM, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: >> >> I will definitely try, but not sure if I can reach an ID. I will report >> back. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> On 10-Apr-2020, at 5:50 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >> >> Hi, Ashwini ji, >> May I request you to pl. have a look at this. >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: dipankar borah >> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 16:33 >> Subject: Viola sp for identification ? Yazali,Arunachal Pradesh 23.3.16 >> To: J.M. Garg >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/i
[efloraofindia:347690] Re: Viola sp for identification ? Yazali,Arunachal Pradesh 23.3.16
I will definitely try, but not sure if I can reach an ID. I will report back. Thanks. Ashwini > On 10-Apr-2020, at 5:50 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Hi, Ashwini ji, > May I request you to pl. have a look at this. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: dipankar borah <mailto:dipankarborah...@gmail.com>> > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 16:33 > Subject: Viola sp for identification ? Yazali,Arunachal Pradesh 23.3.16 > To: J.M. Garg mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> > > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/130FC55F-FAD5-4E32-9BF3-88E963F565BD%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:347628] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand
Thank you Mr. Garg. This is precisely the reason why this genus is giving us so much trouble. I have trawled through the FOC pdf file on Viola and think even the species at the link is a close match but not quite there: http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=250073309 Perhaps we could have it listed as indica with 'tentative' in the brackets to alert the user. We can give reasons for it being uncertain. The descriptions in different floras vary in precision and quality as can be expected. Also, tackling hundreds of species in one volume does not allow the author to give the time demanded by each individual plant. Thanks. Ashwini On Thu, 9 Apr, 2020, 9:52 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji. > Flowers of Himalayas gives flower size as 2 cm compared to 1-1.5 cm across > given here. > Stipules are not mention in the Flowers of Himalayas. So may not be key > feature. Further, we have seen stipules are quite variable and differing in > different sources for other species. > Mostly descriptions are written from specimens, I do not know how > come odour has been mentioned in the books. Also this is one character, > which is quite subjective and may vary from one individual to another. > In all, we may take such plants from Himachal as Viola indica, for the > time being, being closest to it among all other species recorded here. > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 17:29, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Not matching, odour, size and the stipules which are described as: >> >> *stipules lanceolate-ovate, margin entire, apex acuminate, persistent,* >> >> otherwise it matches our flowers here. >> >> >> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 16:42, J.M. Garg wrote: >> >>> I agree with your id as spur appears to be longer. >>> >>> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 16:12, Tabish wrote: >>> >>>> Unfortunately not. But India Biodiversity Portal >>>> <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/252218> also has a >>>> description. Also, the first image looks a bit different, I think, just >>>> because the petals have curled back - probably a more mature flower. I >>>> included this picture because the spur is partly visible here. This picture >>>> is of the same group of plants that we found in Dhanaulti, and was taken at >>>> the same time as the second pic. >>>> I attach another one with the spur visible. >>>>Tabish >>>> --- >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>> Do you have any other literature on Viola indica, other than *Flowers >>>>> of the Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton ? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 14:02, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>>> This spur appears a bit hooked and interesting. Book says spur to 1 >>>>>> cm- I think meaning up to 1 cm. >>>>>> Pl. post corresponding leaves and flower front view. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:43, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have checked that already and our flowers never have a spur longer >>>>>>> than 6mm unless I am measuring incorrectly. If someone can guide me how >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> measure the spur correctly, I can still find a couple of flowers and >>>>>>> measure again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our flowers are *not fragrant* as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Attaching side view of the spur. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:35, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >>>>>>>> I think *Large flowers *with *stout** hooked spur *to 1 cm, may be >>>>>>>> the key. >>>>>>>> So we have to see the clear view of the spur. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:16, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>>> *Flore S
Re: [efloraofindia:347602] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand
Not matching, odour, size and the stipules which are described as: *stipules lanceolate-ovate, margin entire, apex acuminate, persistent,* otherwise it matches our flowers here. On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 16:42, J.M. Garg wrote: > I agree with your id as spur appears to be longer. > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 16:12, Tabish wrote: > >> Unfortunately not. But India Biodiversity Portal >> <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/252218> also has a >> description. Also, the first image looks a bit different, I think, just >> because the petals have curled back - probably a more mature flower. I >> included this picture because the spur is partly visible here. This picture >> is of the same group of plants that we found in Dhanaulti, and was taken at >> the same time as the second pic. >> I attach another one with the spur visible. >>Tabish >> --- >> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >> The waterhole of flower lovers >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg wrote: >> >>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>> Do you have any other literature on Viola indica, other than *Flowers >>> of the Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton ? >>> >>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 14:02, J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>> This spur appears a bit hooked and interesting. Book says spur to 1 cm- >>>> I think meaning up to 1 cm. >>>> Pl. post corresponding leaves and flower front view. >>>> >>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:43, Ashwini Bhatia >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have checked that already and our flowers never have a spur longer >>>>> than 6mm unless I am measuring incorrectly. If someone can guide me how to >>>>> measure the spur correctly, I can still find a couple of flowers and >>>>> measure again. >>>>> >>>>> Our flowers are *not fragrant* as well. >>>>> >>>>> Attaching side view of the spur. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:35, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >>>>>> I think *Large flowers *with *stout** hooked spur *to 1 cm, may be >>>>>> the key. >>>>>> So we have to see the clear view of the spur. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:16, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>> *Flore Simlensis* makes no mention of it but *Flowers of the >>>>>>> Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton does but briefly. Attaching both >>>>>>> for reference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 08-Apr-2020, at 12:05 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>>>>>> Don't you have the keys and details in the books you may be having >>>>>>> like Flora simlensis etc. ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:16, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately I am unable to find much information on *Viola >>>>>>>> indica* as well. Tabish ji’s flower looks a lot like our flowers >>>>>>>> here (which we have been discussing under *V. pilosa*). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 07-Apr-2020, at 12:09 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>>>>> I have doubts about the 1st image. I am afraid it may be Viola >>>>>>>> pilosa >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>>>> Do you have side view of the 2nd image ? If so, pl. post. >>>>>>>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica>
Re: [efloraofindia:347589] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand
Thanks. Regards, Ashwini On Thu, 9 Apr, 2020, 4:22 PM Tabish, wrote: > Sorry, never checked the smell. After identifying it as Viola indica, was > regretting not doing so. But the flower size agrees, 1.5-2 cm. > Tabish > --- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:14 PM Ashwini Bhatia > wrote: > >> Thank you Tabish ji. Do you remember if your flowers had aroma? >> >> Regards, >> Ashwini >> >> On Thu, 9 Apr, 2020, 4:12 PM Tabish, wrote: >> >>> Unfortunately not. But India Biodiversity Portal >>> <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/252218> also has a >>> description. Also, the first image looks a bit different, I think, just >>> because the petals have curled back - probably a more mature flower. I >>> included this picture because the spur is partly visible here. This picture >>> is of the same group of plants that we found in Dhanaulti, and was taken at >>> the same time as the second pic. >>> I attach another one with the spur visible. >>>Tabish >>> --- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>> Do you have any other literature on Viola indica, other than *Flowers >>>> of the Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton ? >>>> >>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 14:02, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>> This spur appears a bit hooked and interesting. Book says spur to 1 >>>>> cm- I think meaning up to 1 cm. >>>>> Pl. post corresponding leaves and flower front view. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:43, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have checked that already and our flowers never have a spur longer >>>>>> than 6mm unless I am measuring incorrectly. If someone can guide me how >>>>>> to >>>>>> measure the spur correctly, I can still find a couple of flowers and >>>>>> measure again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our flowers are *not fragrant* as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Attaching side view of the spur. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:35, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >>>>>>> I think *Large flowers *with *stout** hooked spur *to 1 cm, may be >>>>>>> the key. >>>>>>> So we have to see the clear view of the spur. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:16, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>>>> *Flore Simlensis* makes no mention of it but *Flowers of the >>>>>>>> Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton does but briefly. Attaching both >>>>>>>> for reference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-2020, at 12:05 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>>>>>>> Don't you have the keys and details in the books you may be having >>>>>>>> like Flora simlensis etc. ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:16, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I am unable to find much information on *Viola >>>>>>>>> indica* as well. Tabish ji’s flower looks a lot like our flowers >>>>>>>>> here (which we have been discussing under *V. pilosa*). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 07-Apr-2020, at 12:09 PM, J.M. Garg
Re: [efloraofindia:347587] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand
Thank you Tabish ji. Do you remember if your flowers had aroma? Regards, Ashwini On Thu, 9 Apr, 2020, 4:12 PM Tabish, wrote: > Unfortunately not. But India Biodiversity Portal > <https://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/252218> also has a > description. Also, the first image looks a bit different, I think, just > because the petals have curled back - probably a more mature flower. I > included this picture because the spur is partly visible here. This picture > is of the same group of plants that we found in Dhanaulti, and was taken at > the same time as the second pic. > I attach another one with the spur visible. >Tabish > --- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Hi, Tabish ji, >> Do you have any other literature on Viola indica, other than *Flowers of >> the Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton ? >> >> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 14:02, J.M. Garg wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>> This spur appears a bit hooked and interesting. Book says spur to 1 cm- >>> I think meaning up to 1 cm. >>> Pl. post corresponding leaves and flower front view. >>> >>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:43, Ashwini Bhatia >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have checked that already and our flowers never have a spur longer >>>> than 6mm unless I am measuring incorrectly. If someone can guide me how to >>>> measure the spur correctly, I can still find a couple of flowers and >>>> measure again. >>>> >>>> Our flowers are *not fragrant* as well. >>>> >>>> Attaching side view of the spur. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashwini >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:35, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >>>>> I think *Large flowers *with *stout** hooked spur *to 1 cm, may be >>>>> the key. >>>>> So we have to see the clear view of the spur. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:16, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>>> *Flore Simlensis* makes no mention of it but *Flowers of the >>>>>> Himalaya* by Polunin and Stainton does but briefly. Attaching both >>>>>> for reference. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 08-Apr-2020, at 12:05 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>>>>> Don't you have the keys and details in the books you may be having >>>>>> like Flora simlensis etc. ? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:16, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately I am unable to find much information on *Viola indica* >>>>>>> as well. Tabish ji’s flower looks a lot like our flowers here (which we >>>>>>> have been discussing under *V. pilosa*). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 07-Apr-2020, at 12:09 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>>>>>> I have doubts about the 1st image. I am afraid it may be Viola >>>>>>> pilosa >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>>> Do you have side view of the 2nd image ? If so, pl. post. >>>>>>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Viola pilosa >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ >>>>>>> Viola canescens >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>>>>>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>>>&
Re: [efloraofindia:347573] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
Thank you Pankaj ji. Really appreciate your help with this. Regards, Ashwini On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 12:39, Pankaj Kumar wrote: > This journal is not online. It is published from Delhi, so someone from > Delhi University would be helpful. I have added one student from DU on the > email. > Thanks and regards > Pankaj > > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 15:05, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Thank you Mr. Garg. >> >> Regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> On 09-Apr-2020, at 12:22 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >> >> Thanks, Ashwini ji, >> I tried but could not find it anywhere. >> Marking to Pankaj ji, if he can help in the matter to get us 'Kumar, S. >> (2012). Herbaceous flora of Jaunsar-Bawar (Uttarkhand), India: enumerations >> Phytotaxonomy 12: 33-56.' >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ashwini Bhatia >> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 11:42 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:240314] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05 >> To: J.M. Garg >> Cc: efloraofindia >> >> >> Thank you Mr. Garg. I merely suggested that our flowers looked *close to >> V. indica on FOI* but I am not sure whether our flowers are V*. indica*. >> For one thing, our flowers have no aroma which indica flowers are supposed >> to have. So I am still confused. >> >> Plantsoftheworldonline >> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:868372-1> >> refers >> to the following document in support of the name: >> >> >>- Kumar, S. (2012). Herbaceous flora of Jaunsar-Bawar (Uttarkhand), >>India: enumerations Phytotaxonomy 12: 33-56. >> >> But I cannot find this paper online. If someone has access to it, it will >> be useful to see what the author gives a description of *V. indica*. >> >> I will be on a lookout for more information on the species and report >> back if I find something useful. >> >> With regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> >> On 09-Apr-2020, at 11:10 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: >> >> Yes. After going through all our posts and details therein, I agree with >> you for V. Indica. >> It is so nice to have a member like you who always goes into the bottom >> of the issue. >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Thu 9 Apr, 2020, 9:51 AM Ashwini Bhatia, wrote: >> >>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>> I am sending again the side view of the spur and photos showing the >>> stoloniferous nature of the plant. Photos showing other important >>> characteristics of the plant are in the same email thread. >>> >>> Thank you for persisting with it. >>> >>> With regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 08:50, J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji, for your persistence and continued efforts to nail >>>> down the id. >>>> I am also now wearing towards *Viola indica *(which I was mostly >>>> unaware of before). >>>> Pl. show us the clear view of the spur. >>>> >>>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 13:16, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji, for your deep research. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:56, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree Mr. Garg that Viola is a difficult genus.* Anterior one >>>>>> shorter* or *the* *upper petal smaller than the rest and acute* does >>>>>> not clearly apply to my samples. *I have dissected the flower* and >>>>>> looked at the petals, sepals, stamens, style and stipules closely. >>>>>> >>>>>> FOP and FOC do not agree on all the features and that shows there is >>>>>> a confusion in the literature too. But since I do not know which one to >>>>>> prefer, I am unsure of our flower’s identity. >>>>>> >>>>>> FOP says *beak directed downward*, while the beak on my sample is >>>>>> pointing upwards. It says *style 3.5mm long*, ours is barely 2mm >>>>>> long. >>>>>> >>>>>> FOC says *spur of anterior stamens angular *and ca. 1.5mm long, our >>>>>> stamens have more cylindrical spurs (nectary appendages or glands) which >>>>>> are twice as long at 3mm. >>>>>> >>>>>> Both FOC and FOP say that the colour is variable from purple, >>>>>> whitish-blue to white. The whole population in Dharam
Re: [efloraofindia:347571] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
Thank you once again. Unfortunately, I do not own any of these books. Perhaps someone on the group has and can help with the relevant page. > On 09-Apr-2020, at 12:35 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Further Bibliography is at IBIS flora > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/taxonomy/term/28314/literature> : > Title > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/taxonomy/term/28314/literature?order=title=asc> > Book > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/taxonomy/term/28314/literature?order=field_book=asc> > Book Author > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/taxonomy/term/28314/literature?order=field_bookauthor=asc> >Book Year > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/taxonomy/term/28314/literature?order=field_bookyear=asc> > Viola indica W.Becker > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/viola-indica-wbecker-2> Flora > of Jammu & KashmirN.P.Singh (Ed.), D.K.Singh (Ed.) & B.P.Uniyal (Ed.) > 2 002 > Viola indica W.Becker > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/viola-indica-wbecker-1> Flora > of India B.D.Sharma (Ed.) & N.P.Balakrishnan (Ed.) 1 993 > Viola indica W.Becker > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/viola-indica-wbecker-0> > Flowering Plants of India, Nepal & Bhutan H.B.Naithani1 990 > Viola indica W.Becker > <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/viola-indica-wbecker> > Fascicles of Flora of India S.P.Banerjee 7 B.B.Pramanik 1 983 > > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 11:42, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thank you Mr. Garg. I merely suggested that our flowers looked close to V. > indica on FOI but I am not sure whether our flowers are V. indica. For one > thing, our flowers have no aroma which indica flowers are supposed to have. > So I am still confused. > > Plantsoftheworldonline > <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:868372-1> > refers to the following document in support of the name: > > Kumar, S. (2012). Herbaceous flora of Jaunsar-Bawar (Uttarkhand), India: > enumerations Phytotaxonomy 12: 33-56. > But I cannot find this paper online. If someone has access to it, it will be > useful to see what the author gives a description of V. indica. > > I will be on a lookout for more information on the species and report back if > I find something useful. > > With regards, > Ashwini > > > > >> On 09-Apr-2020, at 11:10 AM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Yes. After going through all our posts and details therein, I agree with you >> for V. Indica. >> It is so nice to have a member like you who always goes into the bottom of >> the issue. >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Thu 9 Apr, 2020, 9:51 AM Ashwini Bhatia, > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Dear Mr. Garg, >> I am sending again the side view of the spur and photos showing the >> stoloniferous nature of the plant. Photos showing other important >> characteristics of the plant are in the same email thread. >> >> Thank you for persisting with it. >> >> With regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 08:50, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Thanks, Ashwini ji, for your persistence and continued efforts to nail down >> the id. >> I am also now wearing towards Viola indica (which I was mostly unaware of >> before). >> Pl. show us the clear view of the spur. >> >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 13:16, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Thanks, Ashwini ji, for your deep research. >> >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:56, Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> I agree Mr. Garg that Viola is a difficult genus. Anterior one shorter or >> the upper petal smaller than the rest and acute does not clearly apply to my >> samples. I have dissected the flower and looked at the petals, sepals, >> stamens, style and stipules closely. >> >> FOP and FOC do not agree on all the features and that shows there is a >> confusion in the literature too. But since I do not know which one to >> prefer, I am unsure of our flower’s identity. >> >> FOP says beak directed downward, while the beak on my sample is pointing >> upwards. It says style 3.5mm long, ours is barely 2mm long. >> >> FOC says spur of anterior stamens angular and ca. 1.5mm long, our stamens >> have more cylindrical spurs (nectary appendages or glands) which are tw
Re: [efloraofindia:347569] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
Thank you Mr. Garg. Regards, Ashwini > On 09-Apr-2020, at 12:22 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Thanks, Ashwini ji, > I tried but could not find it anywhere. > Marking to Pankaj ji, if he can help in the matter to get us 'Kumar, S. > (2012). Herbaceous flora of Jaunsar-Bawar (Uttarkhand), India: enumerations > Phytotaxonomy 12: 33-56.' > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 11:42 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:240314] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05 > To: J.M. Garg mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> > Cc: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Thank you Mr. Garg. I merely suggested that our flowers looked close to V. > indica on FOI but I am not sure whether our flowers are V. indica. For one > thing, our flowers have no aroma which indica flowers are supposed to have. > So I am still confused. > > Plantsoftheworldonline > <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:868372-1> > refers to the following document in support of the name: > > Kumar, S. (2012). Herbaceous flora of Jaunsar-Bawar (Uttarkhand), India: > enumerations Phytotaxonomy 12: 33-56. > But I cannot find this paper online. If someone has access to it, it will be > useful to see what the author gives a description of V. indica. > > I will be on a lookout for more information on the species and report back if > I find something useful. > > With regards, > Ashwini > > > > >> On 09-Apr-2020, at 11:10 AM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Yes. After going through all our posts and details therein, I agree with you >> for V. Indica. >> It is so nice to have a member like you who always goes into the bottom of >> the issue. >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Thu 9 Apr, 2020, 9:51 AM Ashwini Bhatia, > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Dear Mr. Garg, >> I am sending again the side view of the spur and photos showing the >> stoloniferous nature of the plant. Photos showing other important >> characteristics of the plant are in the same email thread. >> >> Thank you for persisting with it. >> >> With regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 08:50, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Thanks, Ashwini ji, for your persistence and continued efforts to nail down >> the id. >> I am also now wearing towards Viola indica (which I was mostly unaware of >> before). >> Pl. show us the clear view of the spur. >> >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 13:16, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Thanks, Ashwini ji, for your deep research. >> >> On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:56, Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> I agree Mr. Garg that Viola is a difficult genus. Anterior one shorter or >> the upper petal smaller than the rest and acute does not clearly apply to my >> samples. I have dissected the flower and looked at the petals, sepals, >> stamens, style and stipules closely. >> >> FOP and FOC do not agree on all the features and that shows there is a >> confusion in the literature too. But since I do not know which one to >> prefer, I am unsure of our flower’s identity. >> >> FOP says beak directed downward, while the beak on my sample is pointing >> upwards. It says style 3.5mm long, ours is barely 2mm long. >> >> FOC says spur of anterior stamens angular and ca. 1.5mm long, our stamens >> have more cylindrical spurs (nectary appendages or glands) which are twice >> as long at 3mm. >> >> Both FOC and FOP say that the colour is variable from purple, whitish-blue >> to white. The whole population in Dharamshala is uniformly violet with very >> little variation. >> >> Also the comment at the end of the FOC description says : In FRPS (51: 90. >> 1991), the name Viola canescens Wallich was misapplied to this species. >> >> which makes me think that the flowers we consider as V. canescens here could >> very well be the V. pilosa. The ones I have filed under V. canescens have >> all the characters of the description above too with minor variations. Hence >> the persisting confusion. >> >> We may find out in the end that the species here is indeed V. pilosa with >> good reason but I am personally happy to wait for more evidence. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Warm regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >
Re: [efloraofindia:347555] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
Thank you Mr. Garg. I merely suggested that our flowers looked close to V. indica on FOI but I am not sure whether our flowers are V. indica. For one thing, our flowers have no aroma which indica flowers are supposed to have. So I am still confused. Plantsoftheworldonline <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:868372-1> refers to the following document in support of the name: Kumar, S. (2012). Herbaceous flora of Jaunsar-Bawar (Uttarkhand), India: enumerations Phytotaxonomy 12: 33-56. But I cannot find this paper online. If someone has access to it, it will be useful to see what the author gives a description of V. indica. I will be on a lookout for more information on the species and report back if I find something useful. With regards, Ashwini > On 09-Apr-2020, at 11:10 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Yes. After going through all our posts and details therein, I agree with you > for V. Indica. > It is so nice to have a member like you who always goes into the bottom of > the issue. > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Thu 9 Apr, 2020, 9:51 AM Ashwini Bhatia, <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > I am sending again the side view of the spur and photos showing the > stoloniferous nature of the plant. Photos showing other important > characteristics of the plant are in the same email thread. > > Thank you for persisting with it. > > With regards, > Ashwini > > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 08:50, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji, for your persistence and continued efforts to nail down > the id. > I am also now wearing towards Viola indica (which I was mostly unaware of > before). > Pl. show us the clear view of the spur. > > On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 13:16, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji, for your deep research. > > On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 12:56, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I agree Mr. Garg that Viola is a difficult genus. Anterior one shorter or the > upper petal smaller than the rest and acute does not clearly apply to my > samples. I have dissected the flower and looked at the petals, sepals, > stamens, style and stipules closely. > > FOP and FOC do not agree on all the features and that shows there is a > confusion in the literature too. But since I do not know which one to prefer, > I am unsure of our flower’s identity. > > FOP says beak directed downward, while the beak on my sample is pointing > upwards. It says style 3.5mm long, ours is barely 2mm long. > > FOC says spur of anterior stamens angular and ca. 1.5mm long, our stamens > have more cylindrical spurs (nectary appendages or glands) which are twice as > long at 3mm. > > Both FOC and FOP say that the colour is variable from purple, whitish-blue to > white. The whole population in Dharamshala is uniformly violet with very > little variation. > > Also the comment at the end of the FOC description says : In FRPS (51: 90. > 1991), the name Viola canescens Wallich was misapplied to this species. > > which makes me think that the flowers we consider as V. canescens here could > very well be the V. pilosa. The ones I have filed under V. canescens have all > the characters of the description above too with minor variations. Hence the > persisting confusion. > > We may find out in the end that the species here is indeed V. pilosa with > good reason but I am personally happy to wait for more evidence. > > Thank you. > > Warm regards, > Ashwini > > > > > >> On 29-Mar-2020, at 9:17 AM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Flora of China >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=200014403> says >> Petals oblong-obovate, base narrower, lateral ones bearded, anterior one >> shorter, inside deep-colored veined; >> Flora of Pakistan >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014403> says >> Petals oblanceolate-obovate, obtuse, marked with dark coloured violet lines, >> bearded above with short hairs, the upper petal smaller than the rest and >> acute. >> >> Your petals in the images come within the parameters (possibly will become >> more clear on dissection) and appears variable in the same plant and >> location. >> So I still remain with Viola pilosa >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >> >> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 15:08, Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Dear Mr. Garg, >> Thank you once again. I still
Re: [efloraofindia:347490] Violet indica/ABMAR11
Don’t think so, but these are no different from my other postings. At that time I assumed it to be V. indica. It is certainly the same we have been discussing under V. pilosa from here. > On 08-Apr-2020, at 2:16 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Do you have other images from this set showing the spur etc. ? > > -- Forwarded message ----- > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 at 21:29 > Subject: [efloraofindia:217539] Violet indica/ABMAR11 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > This should be Viola indica judging by the colour and size. However, I did > not discern any sweet aroma. Please advise. > > Indian Violet (Viola indica) > McLeodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 6 March 2015 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/4D2B151E-6D99-4EDB-913F-CE2EAA0CF99B%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:347482] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand
Again does not match our species. The leaves on V. betonicifolia are narrow as per the description and photos on our site. > On 08-Apr-2020, at 1:45 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Also Viola patrinii reported in Flora Simlensis, may actually be not found in > India as per Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=200014398>, which > gives both Viola patrinii and Viola betonicifolia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-betonicifolia> > and as Flora of Pakistan > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014334> gives > only Viola betonicifolia Sm. in Rees with Viola patrinii auct. non DC. as a > syn. > > On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:35, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. > I think Large flowers with stout hooked spur to 1 cm, may be the key. > So we have to see the clear view of the spur. > > On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 13:16, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > Flore Simlensis makes no mention of it but Flowers of the Himalaya by Polunin > and Stainton does but briefly. Attaching both for reference. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > >> On 08-Apr-2020, at 12:05 PM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, Ashwini ji, >> Don't you have the keys and details in the books you may be having like >> Flora simlensis etc. ? >> >> On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 11:16, Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Unfortunately I am unable to find much information on Viola indica as well. >> Tabish ji’s flower looks a lot like our flowers here (which we have been >> discussing under V. pilosa). >> >> Thank you. >> Ashwini >> >> >>> On 07-Apr-2020, at 12:09 PM, J.M. Garg >> <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Tabish ji, >>> I have doubts about the 1st image. I am afraid it may be Viola pilosa >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>> Do you have side view of the 2nd image ? If so, pl. post. >>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>> and Viola pilosa >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ >>> Viola canescens >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>> ? >>> >>> Hi, Ashwini ji, >>> Do you have the keys between say Viola indica >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>> and Viola pilosa >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ >>> Viola canescens >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>> ? >>> I could not find them on net. >>> >>> I found only 2 specimen of Viola indica >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> >>> in GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/7296353>, but here also flowers are >>> not clear. >>> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441437200103o0MlGX1JPP3bIgHm >>> >>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441437200103o0MlGX1JPP3bIgHm> >>> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.2455167%2Fformat%2Flarge >>> >>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.2455167%2Fformat%2Flarge> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message - >>> From: Tabish mailto:tabi...@gmail.com>> >>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 16:37 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:346550] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand >>> To: efloraofindia >> <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> >>> >>> >>> Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand >>> found blooming in April. >>> Cheers! >>> Tabish >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving em
Re: [efloraofindia:347473] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand
Unfortunately I am unable to find much information on Viola indica as well. Tabish ji’s flower looks a lot like our flowers here (which we have been discussing under V. pilosa). Thank you. Ashwini > On 07-Apr-2020, at 12:09 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Hi, Tabish ji, > I have doubts about the 1st image. I am afraid it may be Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > Do you have side view of the 2nd image ? If so, pl. post. > Do you have the keys between say Viola indica > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> > and Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ > Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > ? > > Hi, Ashwini ji, > Do you have the keys between say Viola indica > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> > and Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>/ > Viola canescens > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> > ? > I could not find them on net. > > I found only 2 specimen of Viola indica > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-indica> > in GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/7296353>, but here also flowers are > not clear. > https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441437200103o0MlGX1JPP3bIgHm > > <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441437200103o0MlGX1JPP3bIgHm> > https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.2455167%2Fformat%2Flarge > > <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.2455167%2Fformat%2Flarge> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Tabish mailto:tabi...@gmail.com>> > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 at 16:37 > Subject: [efloraofindia:346550] Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Viola indica from Dhanaulti, Uttarakhand > found blooming in April. > Cheers! > Tabish > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/21082e17-445d-4d77-9cfe-f34e2274593c%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/21082e17-445d-4d77-9cfe-f34e2274593c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CF5A2035-C8A9-47A6-AF64-38C539051074%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:346974] Galium sp. ABMAY01/14
Thank you Mr. Garg. On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 15:43, J.M. Garg wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the wonderful images. > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 15:14, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> I found a couple more images showing fruit to add to the collection. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 14:07, Gurcharan Singh wrote: >> >>> Yes Garg ji, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Mob: 9810359089 >>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 1:20 PM J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Ashwini ji. >>>> It is *Galium hoffmeisteri* only. >>>> Pl. see *Galium hirtiflorum* at SK1393 30 AUG 2018 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/eWvTqanXX70> >>>> and SK1364 09 AUG 2018 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/VmxXciBqqCY> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 09:13, Ashwini Bhatia >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Dr. Singh and Mr. Garg. Reading the description on FOC, *G. >>>>> hirtiflorum* seems a good match. Unfortunately, GBIF has only dried >>>>> specimens, which are difficult to match with the photos of the fresh >>>>> plants. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps, it needs more photos too. I will do my best this season. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02-Apr-2020, at 8:56 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Problem with hoffmeisteri is never less than 6 leaves are reported. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:18 PM J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Singh ji, >>>>>> G. hirtiflorum is different as per GBIF >>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/en/species/2914573>. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 16:30, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think Galium hirtiflorum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:11:37 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it is close to *Galium hoffmeisteri* as per GBIF >>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2913541>. Pl. >>>>>>>> see specimens below: >>>>>>>> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/ >>>>>>>> unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441375771441wciKfCyuelXM93hA >>>>>>>> https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/ >>>>>>>> unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441375771461GzDAhW4DgxjefscA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Other links of *Galium hoffmeisteri*: >>>>>>>> Flora of China >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=250096333> >>>>>>>> FOC illustration >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120211_id=2> >>>>>>>> Flora of Pakistan >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=242422516> >>>>>>>> Annotated checklist of Flowering plants of Nepal >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=242422515> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Forwarded message - >>>>>>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 at 23:05 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:243620] Galium sp. ABMAY01/14 >>>>>>>> To: eflor
Re: [efloraofindia:346973] Galium aparine/ABMAR24
Thank you Mr. Garg. I have doubts about it being *G. spurium* as the stalks on our plants are smooth (no hooked bristles on the edges). On 03-Apr-2020, at 3:45 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: Thanks, Ashwini ji for the wonderful images. On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 15:19, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > I found some plants growing near home today and photographed them. Also > found some photos in my archive from 2018. I hope this help further in > deciding the identity. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 10:06, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >> I will go for G. supirium as ided by Singh ji. >> >> On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 09:51, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 09:42, J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Singh ji, >>>> On further review, I agree with you as per GBIF specimen >>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fpictures.bgbm.org%2Fdigilib%2FScaler%2FIIIF%2FB!10!07!62!75!B_10_0762752.jpg%2Ffull%2F2048%2C%2F0%2Fdefault.jpg> >>>> of G. supirium >>>> Let us further see high resolution images when ever Ashwini ji posts >>>> them. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 09:23, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Singh ji, >>>>> Flora of Pakistan gives the following keys: >>>>> 11 (5) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=113187#KEY-1-5> >>>>> Leaves >>>>> elliptic, lanceolate or oblanceolate, usually obtuse 8 Galium >>>>> spurium >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=250090777> >>>>> + Leaves linear, acute or cuspidata (12) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=113187#KEY-1-12> >>>>> >>>>> 12 (11) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=113187#KEY-1-11> >>>>> Inflorescence >>>>> terminal or subterminal. Pedicel c. 2 mm long. Corolla bright yellow. Stem >>>>> pubescent-glabrate; leaves 8-10 (-12) in a whorl 9 Galium verum >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200022090> >>>>> + Inflorescence axillary and terminal. Pedicel 3-5 mm long. Corolla >>>>> usually white. Stem minutely scabrid; leaves 6 in a whorl (13) >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=113187#KEY-1-13> >>>>> >>>>> In view, I will go for Galium verum subsp. verum >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/rubiaceae/galium/galium-verum> >>>>> as >>>>> per above and as per GBIF >>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=9063248> FOP >>>>> illustration >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=96562_id=5> Flora >>>>> of Pakistan >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200022090> >>>>> Flora of China >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=200022090> >>>>> FoC illustration >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=119476_id=2> >>>>> rather >>>>> than G. supirium as per GBIF >>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2913214> FOP >>>>> illustration >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=96561_id=5> Flora >>>>> of Pakistan >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=250090777> >>>>> Flora of China >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=250090777> >>>>> FoC illustration >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120124_id=2> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 20:52, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> G. spurium looks a possibility >>>>>> http://www.luontoportti.com/suomi/en/kukkakasvit/false-cleavers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Mob: 9810359089 >>>>&g
Re: [efloraofindia:346917] Galium sp. ABMAY01/14
Thank you Dr. Singh and Mr. Garg. Reading the description on FOC, G. hirtiflorum seems a good match. Unfortunately, GBIF has only dried specimens, which are difficult to match with the photos of the fresh plants. Perhaps, it needs more photos too. I will do my best this season. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 02-Apr-2020, at 8:56 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > > Problem with hoffmeisteri is never less than 6 leaves are reported. > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 <https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1> > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:18 PM J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thanks, Singh ji, > G. hirtiflorum is different as per GBIF > <https://www.gbif.org/en/species/2914573>. > > > On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 16:30, Gurcharan Singh <mailto:singh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I think Galium hirtiflorum > > > On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:11:37 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: > I think it is close to Galium hoffmeisteri as per GBIF > <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2913541>. Pl. see > specimens below: > https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441375771441wciKfCyuelXM93hA > > <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441375771441wciKfCyuelXM93hA> > https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441375771461GzDAhW4DgxjefscA > > <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441375771461GzDAhW4DgxjefscA> > > Other links of Galium hoffmeisteri: > Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=250096333> FOC > illustration > <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120211_id=2> Flora > of Pakistan > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=242422516> > Annotated checklist of Flowering plants of Nepal > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=242422515> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 at 23:05 > Subject: [efloraofindia:243620] Galium sp. ABMAY01/14 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > This beautiful Galium has mostly four leaves in whorls. I found a few in > flower and took photographs for a proper ID. Please advise. > > > Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1850m > 15 May 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou
Re: [efloraofindia:346914] Galium aparine/ABMAR24
Thank you Dr. Singh and Mr. Garg. These photos are not sufficient to reach an ID. I will collect more evidence soon if I can. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 02-Apr-2020, at 8:52 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > > G. spurium looks a possibility > http://www.luontoportti.com/suomi/en/kukkakasvit/false-cleavers > <http://www.luontoportti.com/suomi/en/kukkakasvit/false-cleavers> > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 <https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1> > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:48 PM J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, Singh ji, > Can it be Galium verum subsp. verum > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/rubiaceae/galium/galium-verum> > ? > Kindly confirm. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 at 09:29 > Subject: [efloraofindia:219068] Galium aparine/ABMAR24 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Is this Galium aparine (Goose Grass)? > > > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1750m > 22 March 2015 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > <_MG_0455_22March15.jpg><_MG_0456_22March15.jpg> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/C02EED2A-1CF4-46A1-8703-A6D6ADAD8B00%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:346914] Two Galiums ABAPR01/16
Thank you once again Dr. Singh and Mr. Garg. > On 02-Apr-2020, at 8:52 PM, Gurcharan Singh wrote: > > G. spurium a possibility > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 <https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1> > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 7:01 PM Gurcharan Singh <mailto:singh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Galium verum plants are more sturdy with cylindrical stems. > > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Mob: 9810359089 > https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1 <https://sing96.wixsite.com/mysite-1> > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:49 PM J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, Singh ji, > Can left image be Galium verum subsp. verum > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/rubiaceae/galium/galium-verum> > ? > Kindly confirm. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 at 20:28 > Subject: [efloraofindia:220976] Two Galiums ABAPR01/16 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > These two plants which I believe to be Galium species were growing next to > each other making it easy for comparison. Are we looking at G. verum, left > and G. aparine, right? Please advise. > > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1750m > 12 April 2015 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/B2DED93C-7FDF-4409-A1E8-919CA06EA436%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:346854] Galium acutum? ABSEP2016/44
Thank you Mr. Garg. Regards, Ashwini > On 02-Apr-2020, at 1:33 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > To me appears close to Galium asperifolium var. asperifolium > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/rubiaceae/galium/galium-asperifolium> > as per comparative images at Galium > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/rubiaceae/galium> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 at 20:51 > Subject: [efloraofindia:251981] Galium acutum? ABSEP2016/44 > To: mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Is this Galium acutum? Please advise. > > > Triund-Mcleodganj, HP > 2700m > 03-04 September 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > <_MG_1840_03Sep2016.jpg><_MG_1851_03Sep2016.jpg><_MG_1855_03Sep2016.jpg> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/C444-DBB4-49DD-A58D-1396AC006EB5%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:346700] Bupleurum candoleii ABAUG2017/21
Thank you Mr. Garg. The internet here is pretty poor but I will look at my archives for more evidence. With regards, Ashwini > On 31-Mar-2020, at 11:55 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > I think this will be Bupleurum longicaule > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/bupleurum/bupleurum-longicaule> > as per images, details and references herein as petals yellow and > stylopodium dark yellow as per Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=242309324> in > Bupleurum candollei > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 at 22:06 > Subject: [efloraofindia:274799] Bupleurum candoleii ABAUG2017/21 > To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > I photographed this thorowax on 28-29 July and then again on 05 August in the > same area at about 3200m. I think this is B. candoleii. Please advise if I am > wrong. > > Bupleurum candoleii > Near Snowline Cafe, Above Triund, Dharamshala, HP > 3200m approx. > 28-29 July and 05 August 2017 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > <_MG_9334_28-29July2017.jpg><_MG_9384_28-29July2017.jpg><_MG_1758_05Aug2017.jpg><_MG_1773_05Aug2017.jpg><_MG_1783_05Aug2017.jpg><_MG_1744_05Aug2017.jpg> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2C7C9139-347B-44F6-994D-56C6912D0F7B%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:346531] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
I agree Mr. Garg that Viola is a difficult genus. Anterior one shorter or the upper petal smaller than the rest and acute does not clearly apply to my samples. I have dissected the flower and looked at the petals, sepals, stamens, style and stipules closely. FOP and FOC do not agree on all the features and that shows there is a confusion in the literature too. But since I do not know which one to prefer, I am unsure of our flower’s identity. FOP says beak directed downward, while the beak on my sample is pointing upwards. It says style 3.5mm long, ours is barely 2mm long. FOC says spur of anterior stamens angular and ca. 1.5mm long, our stamens have more cylindrical spurs (nectary appendages or glands) which are twice as long at 3mm. Both FOC and FOP say that the colour is variable from purple, whitish-blue to white. The whole population in Dharamshala is uniformly violet with very little variation. Also the comment at the end of the FOC description says : In FRPS (51: 90. 1991), the name Viola canescens Wallich was misapplied to this species. which makes me think that the flowers we consider as V. canescens here could very well be the V. pilosa. The ones I have filed under V. canescens have all the characters of the description above too with minor variations. Hence the persisting confusion. We may find out in the end that the species here is indeed V. pilosa with good reason but I am personally happy to wait for more evidence. Thank you. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 29-Mar-2020, at 9:17 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Flora of China > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=200014403> says > Petals oblong-obovate, base narrower, lateral ones bearded, anterior one > shorter, inside deep-colored veined; > Flora of Pakistan > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014403> says > Petals oblanceolate-obovate, obtuse, marked with dark coloured violet lines, > bearded above with short hairs, the upper petal smaller than the rest and > acute. > > Your petals in the images come within the parameters (possibly will become > more clear on dissection) and appears variable in the same plant and location. > So I still remain with Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 15:08, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > Thank you once again. I still think it would not hurt to keep the ID pending > till we are more certain. Perhaps someone will shine a light on this some day. > > Warm regards, > Ashwini > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 14:39, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > My suggestion was to go by Key features as given in the keys. > Regarding details, you know how confusing it is, as different sources state > different things. > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 14:18, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thank you Mr Garg. Even if we follow the Flora of Pakistan the confusion > remains. > > > FOP says: > Flowers small, 3.5 cm long, resupinate, whitish blue. Sepals c. 5.0 x 1.5-2 > mm, lanceolate, acute, ciliate-denticulate. Petals oblanceolate-obovate, > obtuse, marked with dark coloured violet lines, bearded above with short > hairs, the upper petal smaller than the rest and acute; spur obtuse, c. 6 mm > long. Anthers distinct. Ovary ovate, c. 2.5 mm long, 1.5 mm broad, glabrous; > style 3.5 mm long, beaked, beak directed downward. > Fl. Per.: April-August. > > My samples are not whitish blue, the upper (same as anterior since the flower > is resupinate) petal not smaller than the rest and acute and the flowering > time not April to August. > > Please advise. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > > > > >> On 27-Mar-2020, at 1:58 PM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >> I think there appears to be lot of variations in different aspects in this >> species. >> Ultimately, we have to rely of key features as per Flora of Pakistan >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607> as below: >> 13 <> (12) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-12> >> Stigma beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-14> >> +Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014339> >> >> 14 <> (13) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-13> >>
Re: [efloraofindia:346362] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
Dear Mr. Garg, Thank you once again. I still think it would not hurt to keep the ID pending till we are more certain. Perhaps someone will shine a light on this some day. Warm regards, Ashwini On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 14:39, J.M. Garg wrote: > My suggestion was to *go by Key features as given in the keys*. > Regarding details, you know how confusing it is, as different sources > state different things. > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 14:18, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Thank you Mr Garg. Even if we follow the Flora of Pakistan the confusion >> remains. >> >> >> FOP says: >> >> Flowers small, 3.5 cm long, resupinate, whitish blue. Sepals c. 5.0 x >> 1.5-2 mm, lanceolate, acute, ciliate-denticulate. Petals >> oblanceolate-obovate, obtuse, marked with dark coloured violet lines, >> bearded above with short hairs, the upper petal smaller than the rest and >> acute; spur obtuse, c. 6 mm long. Anthers distinct. Ovary ovate, c. 2.5 mm >> long, 1.5 mm broad, glabrous; style 3.5 mm long, beaked, beak directed >> downward. >> >> *Fl. Per*.: April-August. >> >> My samples are *not whitish blue*, *the upper* (same as anterior since >> the flower is resupinate) *petal not smaller than the rest and acute *and >> the flowering time* not April to August. * >> >> Please advise. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 27-Mar-2020, at 1:58 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: >> >> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >> I think there appears to be lot of variations in different aspects in >> this species. >> Ultimately, we have to rely of key features as per Flora of Pakistan >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607> as >> below: >> 13 (12) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-12> >> Stigma >> beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-14> >> + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014339> >> >> 14 (13) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-13> >> Leaves >> acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate 3 Viola pilosa >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014403> >> + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014395> >> >> I do not find any other species except Viola pilosa >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>, >> closer >> to your post, after going through all the posts in efi site, FOI site and >> various other online resources. >> >> >> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 13:47, Ashwini Bhatia >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Mr. Garg. Sorry for the delay in replying. I was utilising my >>> indoor stay to look up more Viola resources. I am still not fully convinced >>> that this is *Viola pilosa*, especially if the other plants submitted >>> by Saroj ji and Anurag are also the same species. Please let me explain my >>> doubts: >>> >>> 1. FOC says that the anterior petal is the shortest in *V. pilosa*, in >>> my samples it is not the case. In Anurag >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/Uwu7e-CAMnM> and >>> Saroj >>> ji’s <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/b-0KWOphM8g> >>> posts, >>> the anterior petal is visibly narrower and shorter than the rest. In this >>> sense they have a better claim to be *V. pilosa* than my sample. >>> >>> 2. The style in both posts projects well beyond the stamens and does not >>> look inflated. In my samples that is not the case. >>> >>> 3. The lateral sepals in both posts are conspicuously bearded at the >>> base. In my samples, the hair is difficult to see without magnification. >>> >>> 4. The flower colour in both posts is closer to white, agreeing with the *V. >>> pilosa*. My samples are uniformly mauve and I have found only one >>> close-to-white flower amongst hundreds of plants. >>> >>> I hope you understand my concern regarding this viola. I am at it for >>> close to five years and still not sure of its identity. >>> >>> Thank you once again. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21-Mar-2020, a
Re: [efloraofindia:346356] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
Thank you Mr Garg. Even if we follow the Flora of Pakistan the confusion remains. FOP says: Flowers small, 3.5 cm long, resupinate, whitish blue. Sepals c. 5.0 x 1.5-2 mm, lanceolate, acute, ciliate-denticulate. Petals oblanceolate-obovate, obtuse, marked with dark coloured violet lines, bearded above with short hairs, the upper petal smaller than the rest and acute; spur obtuse, c. 6 mm long. Anthers distinct. Ovary ovate, c. 2.5 mm long, 1.5 mm broad, glabrous; style 3.5 mm long, beaked, beak directed downward. Fl. Per.: April-August. My samples are not whitish blue, the upper (same as anterior since the flower is resupinate) petal not smaller than the rest and acute and the flowering time not April to August. Please advise. Thanks. Ashwini > On 27-Mar-2020, at 1:58 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Thanks, Ashwini ji. > I think there appears to be lot of variations in different aspects in this > species. > Ultimately, we have to rely of key features as per Flora of Pakistan > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607> as below: > 13 <> (12) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-12> > Stigma beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-14> > + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014339> > > 14 <> (13) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-13> > Leaves acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate > 3 Viola pilosa > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014403> > + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014395> > > I do not find any other species except Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>, > closer to your post, after going through all the posts in efi site, FOI site > and various other online resources. > > > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 13:47, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thank you Mr. Garg. Sorry for the delay in replying. I was utilising my > indoor stay to look up more Viola resources. I am still not fully convinced > that this is Viola pilosa, especially if the other plants submitted by Saroj > ji and Anurag are also the same species. Please let me explain my doubts: > > 1. FOC says that the anterior petal is the shortest in V. pilosa, in my > samples it is not the case. In Anurag > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/Uwu7e-CAMnM> and Saroj > ji’s <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/b-0KWOphM8g> > posts, the anterior petal is visibly narrower and shorter than the rest. In > this sense they have a better claim to be V. pilosa than my sample. > > 2. The style in both posts projects well beyond the stamens and does not look > inflated. In my samples that is not the case. > > 3. The lateral sepals in both posts are conspicuously bearded at the base. In > my samples, the hair is difficult to see without magnification. > > 4. The flower colour in both posts is closer to white, agreeing with the V. > pilosa. My samples are uniformly mauve and I have found only one > close-to-white flower amongst hundreds of plants. > > I hope you understand my concern regarding this viola. I am at it for close > to five years and still not sure of its identity. > > Thank you once again. > > Warm regards, > Ashwini > > > > >> On 21-Mar-2020, at 9:01 PM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the wonderful images. >> I will go for Viola pilosa >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >> only. >> Stipules are quite variable. >> >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:37, Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Dear Mr. Garg, >> I have collected more evidence for this species and am nowhere closer to a >> proper ID. A few points: >> >> 1. The flowers are almost always violet. I am yet to see a lighter >> violet/white variety in this species. >> 2. The flowering starts in January and the flowers are seen till April. >> 3. The lower petal is the same size as the other petals and is always >> prominently visible. >> 4. The lateral petals have hairs at their base but the hairs are not >> conspicuous. >> 5. The top part of each stamen is
Re: [efloraofindia:346352] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
Thank you Mr. Garg. Sorry for the delay in replying. I was utilising my indoor stay to look up more Viola resources. I am still not fully convinced that this is Viola pilosa, especially if the other plants submitted by Saroj ji and Anurag are also the same species. Please let me explain my doubts: 1. FOC says that the anterior petal is the shortest in V. pilosa, in my samples it is not the case. In Anurag <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/Uwu7e-CAMnM> and Saroj ji’s <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/b-0KWOphM8g> posts, the anterior petal is visibly narrower and shorter than the rest. In this sense they have a better claim to be V. pilosa than my sample. 2. The style in both posts projects well beyond the stamens and does not look inflated. In my samples that is not the case. 3. The lateral sepals in both posts are conspicuously bearded at the base. In my samples, the hair is difficult to see without magnification. 4. The flower colour in both posts is closer to white, agreeing with the V. pilosa. My samples are uniformly mauve and I have found only one close-to-white flower amongst hundreds of plants. I hope you understand my concern regarding this viola. I am at it for close to five years and still not sure of its identity. Thank you once again. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 21-Mar-2020, at 9:01 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the wonderful images. > I will go for Viola pilosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> > only. > Stipules are quite variable. > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:37, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > I have collected more evidence for this species and am nowhere closer to a > proper ID. A few points: > > 1. The flowers are almost always violet. I am yet to see a lighter > violet/white variety in this species. > 2. The flowering starts in January and the flowers are seen till April. > 3. The lower petal is the same size as the other petals and is always > prominently visible. > 4. The lateral petals have hairs at their base but the hairs are not > conspicuous. > 5. The top part of each stamen is deep yellow. The stamens cover the style > for most of its length with only the stigma and a little of the style visible > above the stamen ring. > 6. The style is club shaped and beaked at the top. The ovary is only sparsely > hairy. > 7. The two nectary appendages are smooth and green. > 8. The stipules are laciniate in my opinion. There may be a mix of of > laciniate and toothed stipules on the same plant. > 9. I am yet to discern an aroma from the flowers. > > Based on these points and looking at the images, if you could suggest a > possible match, I would be very grateful. > > Thank you. > > With regards, > Ashwini > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 12:50, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > Thank you very much for pursuing this again. I am also looking at the viols > closely at the moment. I have a feeling that this species is neither V. > pilosa nor V. canescens but some other species, closer to V. indica perhaps. > > I will file more photos of the two species flowering here in a day or two. If > we can find some more details on the nectar glands (or nectary appendages) > for V. pilosa and V. canescens, that could be of great help. > > Warm regards, > Ashwini > > > > >> On 20-Mar-2020, at 9:43 AM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Also ovary is glabrous here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to hairy in V. >> canescens >> Also stipule is ciliate here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to laciniate in V. >> canescens >> >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 09:37, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Also ovary is glabrous. >> >> On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:11, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> As per keys in Flora of Pakistan: >> 13 <> (12) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-12> >> Stigma beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-14> >> +Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014339> >> >> 14 <> (13) >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-13> >> Leaves acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate >> 3 Viola pilosa >> <http:
Re: [efloraofindia:345802] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05
Dear Mr. Garg, Thank you very much for pursuing this again. I am also looking at the viols closely at the moment. I have a feeling that this species is neither V. pilosa nor V. canescens but some other species, closer to V. indica perhaps. I will file more photos of the two species flowering here in a day or two. If we can find some more details on the nectar glands (or nectary appendages) for V. pilosa and V. canescens, that could be of great help. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 20-Mar-2020, at 9:43 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Also ovary is glabrous here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to hairy in V. > canescens > Also stipule is ciliate here (in V. pilosa) in comparison to laciniate in V. > canescens > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 09:37, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Also ovary is glabrous. > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 17:11, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > As per keys in Flora of Pakistan: > 13 <> (12) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-12> > Stigma beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-14> > + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014339> > > 14 <> (13) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=134607#KEY-1-13> > Leaves acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate > 3 Viola pilosa > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014403> > + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5_id=200014395> > > Keys as per Flora of Mizoram in efi thread > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/wtQZmTabRQ0>: > Leaves broadly canescent, obtuse; flower pale-violet --- Viola canescens > Leaves pilose, deltoid, acuminate; flowers white to bluish --- Viola pilosa > > Here stigma is beaked and not club shaped. Leaves are acuminate and not > obtuse. > So, it should be Viola pilosa Blume > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 at 23:32 > Subject: [efloraofindia:240314] V. pilosa (V. serpens)? ABMAR01/05 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > These flowers are very abundant in our area (much more so than V. canescens) > and I find them scattered everywhere on the hill sides on my daily walks. I > have been seeing them since January but they started coming out in good > numbers around mid-February. These are larger lilac/lavender flowers with > broad lower lip and a hint of contrasting bright yellow around the stigma. > The runners are quite common and the stipules toothed. I have seen several > capsules with sepals and stigma still attached. The leaves and stems are > softly hairy but much less so than those of V. canescens. > > Now the troubling part. While typing this message and looking at my data > closely, I have managed to convince myself that I am not certain of its ID. > Here is why: > > Viola serpens is a synonym of Viola pilosa which is now the accepted name > according to the Plant List; > http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-33801418 > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-33801418> > > A search for V. pilosa on FlowersofIndia.net <http://flowersofindia.net/> > shows a completely different flower but Alok Mahendroo ji’s blog shows the > same flower as the one below under V. serpens. If they are synonyms then I am > baffled yet again. There is more—flowersofindia gives V. serpens as a synonym > also of V. indica (an unresolved name according to the Plant List), the > photos of which look very similar to my sample, but my flowers are definitely > not fragrant. It could be that V. pilosa has great variation in colour, size > and shape and that my sample is V. pilosa aka V. serpens. > > First here is a page from the Linnean Society Journal which lists V. > canescens as white and much smaller that V. serpens. My flower matches the > description of V. serpens. > > I am not sure how to proceed from here. Is my sample V. pilosa or a hybrid or > a local variation? Is it a variety of Viola canina? I am in great need of > expert advice. Please help. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > <80237.jpg> > <232617.jpg> > <_MG_1629_02Mar2016.jpg><_MG_1753_02Mar2016.jpg> > <_MG_1538_02Mar2016.jpg> > <_MG_1223_29Feb2016.jpg> > <_MG_0859_26Feb2016.jpg> > <_MG_1637_
Re: [efloraofindia:344442] Symplocos/ABNOV14 and ABDEC21
Thank you Mr. Garg for this clarification. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 01-Mar-2020, at 6:05 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > As per Taxonomic revision of the Symplocos nakaharae complex (Symplocaceae) > with special reference to fruit morphology > <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10./j.1759-6831.2012.00223.x> by > Bo LIU Hai-Ning QIN- Journal of Systematics and Evolution 51 (1): 94–114 > (2013), Symplocos lucida (Thunberg) Siebold & Zuccarini, S. kuroki Nagam. and > Symplocos theifolia D. Don, all are accepted species with only Symplocos > theifolia D. Don found in our area. > So our plant is Symplocos theifolia D. Don only with syn. as per efi page at > Symplocos theifolia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/symplocaceae/symplocos/symplocos-theifolia> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 at 10:44 > Subject: [efloraofindia:209816] Symplocos/ABNOV14 and ABDEC21 > To: indiantreepix <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Please refer to my earlier posts of Nov 14 and Dec 21. Yesterday evening I > picked up small branches of both samples with leaves and flowers. Both are > most likely Symplocos but may differ at the species level. The darker leaves > with fresher white flowers is from my November 21 post and the sample with > larger leaves (11cm) and yellowing flowers is from my more recent post. These > photos hopefully show the venation, toothed margins, relative sizes/colours > and the shape of flowers. > > Please advise. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/F9E6F69E-56CE-45A3-9214-DE69DF996390%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:344440] Which Symplocos/ABDEC50
Thank you Nidhan Singh ji. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 02-Mar-2020, at 2:04 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Thanks, Nidhan ji. > > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Mon 2 Mar, 2020, 1:45 PM Nidhan Singh, <mailto:nidhansingh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > This may be Xylosma longifolia... > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 6:15 PM J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji. > > On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 17:20, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Mr. Garg, > The Symplocos species listed in the relevant books are S. paniculata, S. > chinensis and S. ramocissima. The email is from my early days of botanising > and the tree here may not be Symplocos at all. You are correct in doubting my > assumption. > > Thank you. > Ashwini > > >> On 01-Mar-2020, at 9:29 AM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ashwini Bhatia mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> >> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 14:58 >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:210247] Which Symplocos/ABDEC50 >> To: J.M. Garg mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> >> Cc: efloraofindia > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> >> >> >> Thank you Mr. Garg. I am returning to Dharamshala in two days and will >> confirm then. >> >> Regards, >> Ashwini >> >> On Mon, 24 Feb, 2020, 1:44 PM J.M. Garg, > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >> Hi, Ashwini ji, >> What the species reported from your area as I am having doubts of this being >> Symplocos? >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> >> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 at 10:16 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:210247] Which Symplocos/ABDEC50 >> To: efloraofindia > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> >> >> >> This is very likely a Symlocos sp. too. Seeing the blunt apices on the >> leaves, I am hoping it is easier to place its species. Please advise. >> >> Dharamshala, HP >> 1500m >> 21 December 2014 >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >> <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more >> than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learn
Re: [efloraofindia:344269] Impatiens sp. ABJAN01/11
Dear Mr. Garg, I am with Ashutosh after reading the paper that the plants in Dharamshala almost certainly belong to Impatiens tricornis. I will observe the flowers closely in June/July again and report if there are any doubts. Thank you Ashutosh for the correction. Regards, Ashwini > On 16-Feb-2020, at 2:55 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Impatiens tricornis as per another thread by Ashutosh ji at Renaming > Impatiens scabrida DC. page to Impatiens tricornis Lindl. > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/BVnbQFpf2Lo> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 at 17:08 > Subject: [efloraofindia:238622] Impatiens sp. ABJAN01/11 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Today I found this small plant with a yellow balsam flower and a couple of > seed pods. Impatiens scabrida is a common flower here but not at this time of > the year. I brought the plant home and photographed it. The flower is deeper > yellow with unequal lower lips. It could very well be the same species but I > wanted to be sure. Could this be some other impatiens? Please advise. > > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1750m > 17 January 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/A13766DE-7973-4705-B7BD-E118455446B6%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:344268] Which Symplocos/ABDEC50
Dear Mr. Garg, The Symplocos species listed in the relevant books are S. paniculata, S. chinensis and S. ramocissima. The email is from my early days of botanising and the tree here may not be Symplocos at all. You are correct in doubting my assumption. Thank you. Ashwini > On 01-Mar-2020, at 9:29 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > > > -- Forwarded message ----- > From: Ashwini Bhatia mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 14:58 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:210247] Which Symplocos/ABDEC50 > To: J.M. Garg mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> > Cc: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Thank you Mr. Garg. I am returning to Dharamshala in two days and will > confirm then. > > Regards, > Ashwini > > On Mon, 24 Feb, 2020, 1:44 PM J.M. Garg, <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > Hi, Ashwini ji, > What the species reported from your area as I am having doubts of this being > Symplocos? > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 at 10:16 > Subject: [efloraofindia:210247] Which Symplocos/ABDEC50 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > This is very likely a Symlocos sp. too. Seeing the blunt apices on the > leaves, I am hoping it is easier to place its species. Please advise. > > Dharamshala, HP > 1500m > 21 December 2014 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/F219DEF7-53FE-4A4B-B7DD-83501F05DCCF%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:343290] Indian Balsam
Thank you Mr. Garg and Ashutosh. I am travelling currently and will be back in Dharamshala in a week. I will read the paper and report. With regards, Ashwini > On 16-Feb-2020, at 2:45 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Impatiens tricornis as per another thread by Ashutosh ji at Renaming > Impatiens scabrida DC. page to Impatiens tricornis Lindl. > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/BVnbQFpf2Lo> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 at 09:04 > Subject: [efloraofindia:199714] Indian Balsam > To: indiantreepix <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Rugged Yellow Balsam (Imaptiens scabrida) must be one of the hardiest > wildflower on our mountain slopes. The plant is barely off the ground and the > flowers are out (see picture). Its handsome leaves, loved by tiny > metallic-blue beetles, are mostly perforated. They are growing everywhere > now, growing up to two-and-a-half feet at places with individual flowers or > with several in a bunch. Here are a few pictures taken mostly in > August/September. If I am correct, this balsam, also known as the Indian > Balsam, has spread as weed in other countries. > > Rugged Yellow Balsam (Imaptiens scabrida) > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > About 1700m > August/September > > <_MG_0515_29Aug14.jpg><_MG_0520_29Aug14.jpg><_MG_7771_5Sep14.jpg> > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/A4D711A5-D085-45F6-B1A5-4E6DD3009FEC%40gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:342783] Re: Cymbidium iridioides? Feb2020/AB003
Thank you once again Pankaj ji. Regards, Ashwini On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 10:12, Pankaj Kumar wrote: > Yes sir this should be Cymbidium iridoides. I am so happy to see the > fruits. It means pollinators are present and hence chances of new > recruitment are high. > Thanks for sharing. > Pankaj > > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 12:39, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Found this one in flower too. I think this could be *Cymbidium >> iridioides*. Please advise. >> >> Vangchhia, Mizoram >> ca 1200m >> 08 February 2020 >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > ** > > *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. > *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* > > *Office*: > > Orchid Conservation Section > > Flora Conservation Department > > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China > > *email*: pku...@kfbg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com > *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 > (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9DD9Jw%3DwwB3Cb4tNbshxP5op_dT-PEWB90vbjmnPv680g%40mail.gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:342775] Re: Cymbidium sp.? Feb2020/AB002
Thank you Pankaj ji for explaining this. Thank you Saroj ji. Regards, Ashwini On Sun, 9 Feb, 2020, 11:58 AM Pankaj Kumar, wrote: > This is Coelogyne viscosa. The image of spread-up always helps in this > genus and many others. > I checked the original description of Coelogyne viscosa and it writes > linear-lanceolate leaf, so I think Coelogyne graminifolia which also has > similar leaves is correctly merged under this, but the problem is, the type > has been lost long time back so no way to compare. > Thanks for sharing beautiful pics. > Best regards > Pankaj > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 11:42, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Photographed this growing on a rock face. Looks like a *Cymbidium* >> species but I am not entirely sure. >> >> Near Leithum, Champhai-Vangchhia road, Mizoram >> 1300m approx. >> 08 February, 2020. >> >> Please help identify it. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> > > -- > ** > > *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. > *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* > > *Office*: > > Orchid Conservation Section > > Flora Conservation Department > > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China > > *email*: pku...@kfbg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com > *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 > (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9Da4fDVRcn1XiEXt%2BUQWL3sNEfpmiZg4RG34AN_c_5cZw%40mail.gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:342710] Re: Cymbidium sp.? Feb2020/AB002
Or perhaps *Coelogyne viscosa*? On Sun, 9 Feb, 2020, 9:11 AM Ashwini Bhatia, wrote: > Photographed this growing on a rock face. Looks like a *Cymbidium* > species but I am not entirely sure. > > Near Leithum, Champhai-Vangchhia road, Mizoram > 1300m approx. > 08 February, 2020. > > Please help identify it. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9CquTD%3DnLCHCOc_CoqKoO0%3DJsRfniti7bD3MEd18%2BsY5Q%40mail.gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:342573] Re: Acampe ochracea? Feb2020/AB001
Thank you Pankaj ji. Regards, Ashwini On Fri, 7 Feb, 2020, 7:25 PM Pankaj Kumar, wrote: > Yes sir it is Acampe ochracea. > Thanks for sharing > Pankaj > > > On Friday, February 7, 2020, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Found this orchid in flower today on my way from Aizawl to Champhai. I >> could not identify the tree on which this orchid was growing. >> >> Could this be *Acampe ochracea*? >> >> Dulte, Aizawl-Champhai road, Mizoram. >> 07 February 2020. >> Elevation 900m approx. >> >> Thank you. >> Ashwini >> >> >> > > -- > ** > > *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. > *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* > > *Office*: > > Orchid Conservation Section > > Flora Conservation Department > > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China > > *email*: pku...@kfbg.org; sahanipan...@gmail.com > *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 > (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9A3JBNQ9pTez9EN94Rkb60fpGh4zUd0L_zvJjsOPAB8EA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:340470] ID request_climber_Nagla block_SGNP Mumbai
Thank you. Dinesh Ji!! Searched on web and got interesting information on India Biodiversity Portal: 'Tribal say if we cross or touch this climber we forget the route in forest so called 'Bhoolan bel'' -Ashwini On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 11:50:20 AM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: > > Thanks, Dinesh ji > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Wed 15 Jan, 2020, 11:36 AM Dinesh Valke, > wrote: > >> Please check *Lygodium flexuosum*. >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:27 AM Ashwini Kelkar > > wrote: >> >>> Attaching resized copies. >>> This may help. >>> >>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 11:14:28 AM UTC+5:30, Dinesh Valke >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think it is some climbing fern. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:51 AM Saroj Kasaju >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Image quality is not so good! >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:20 AM Ashwini Kelkar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Need help for Identification of this *climber* with peculiar leaves. >>>>>> >>>>>> Place: Nagla block forest, Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Dahisar, >>>>>> Mumbai. >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: 29-December 2019 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Nagla 2.jpg] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Nagla_1.jpg] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Ashwini Kelkar >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to indian...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f1cd7b1c-8132-46dc-a95d-38d590b38c27%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f1cd7b1c-8132-46dc-a95d-38d590b38c27%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to indian...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytQnCW8_tQEHzv5X%3Dhjp7b8y0_%3DdQJXE9v15GDVsCu%3DZmQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAEf%3DytQnCW8_tQEHzv5X%3Dhjp7b8y0_%3DdQJXE9v15GDVsCu%3DZmQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indian...@googlegroups.com . >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/1b602cdf-5247-4f6b-b44f-6b065ca0a0a6%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/1b602cdf-5247-4f6b-b44f-6b065ca0a0a6%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indian...@googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3ioL7YOOXCUyRz4M-%3D2J-LANbsAYj71qFF%2BtJb_%3DgUYA%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3ioL7YOOXCUyRz4M-%3D2J-LANbsAYj71qFF%2BtJb_%3DgUYA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/0a0986ba-c83b-4575-81ae-52d5529e2ed4%40googlegroups.com.
[efloraofindia:340422] ID request_climber_Nagla block_SGNP Mumbai
Need help for Identification of this *climber* with peculiar leaves. Place: Nagla block forest, Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Dahisar, Mumbai. Date: 29-December 2019 [image: Nagla 2.jpg] [image: Nagla_1.jpg] Thanks and regards Ashwini Kelkar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f1cd7b1c-8132-46dc-a95d-38d590b38c27%40googlegroups.com.
[efloraofindia:339165] Happy New Year
Dear members, I wish all of you a great 2020 ahead! May we all keep learning together! With the warmest wishes, Ashwini -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/DCD8731A-F0A4-4E5C-A8D7-1DCCCB972F28%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:338795] Cyathula tomentosa ABAUG2016/59
Thank you Mr. Garg. Regards, Ashwini > On 26-Dec-2019, at 3:04 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > I think it should be Cyathula capitata Moq. > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/amaranthaceae/cyathula/cyathula-capitata> > as per keys and details at Cyathula > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/amaranthaceae/cyathula> > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 at 13:58 > Subject: [efloraofindia:249921] Cyathula tomentosa ABAUG2016/59 > To: mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > This one if from last month. I found this growing on a slope near town and > took some photographs. There are root-like fibres at nodes. Please validate. > > Cyathula tomentosa—Woolly Pastureweed > Mcleodganj, HP > 1750m > 17 July 2016 > > Thanks. > Ashwini<_MG_5703_17Aug2016.jpg><_MG_5706_17Aug2016.jpg><_MG_5714_17Aug2016.jpg><_MG_5735_17Aug2016.jpg><_MG_5740_17Aug2016.jpg><_MG_5746_17Aug2016.jpg><_MG_5700_17Aug2016.jpg><_MG_5755_17Aug2016.jpg><_MG_5751_17Aug2016.jpg> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/BAD37026-39CA-4D1A-BE4E-0037B9877165%40gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:333885] Happy Diwali!
I wish you a very happy and successful Diwali! May the tribe of plant lovers keep growing! With best wishes, Ashwini -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAOCD6NOLAT2GmhXQf1xNkKrF-a1jiXKDTxTBtAxKz8U3Pcskcw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:331398] Re: Yet another discussion on Pedicularis! ABAUG2017/12
Thank you very much Mr. Garg. I started on an email on *P. pectinata* a couple of weeks ago but while writing it had doubts again. I am still working on it and hoping to understand it soon. Regards, Ashwini On Wed, 2 Oct, 2019, 10:38 AM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji, I agree with your id as P. hookeriana > > -- Forwarded message - > From: mcleodwild > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 13:26 > Subject: [efloraofindia:330408] Re: Yet another discussion on Pedicularis! > ABAUG2017/12 > To: efloraofindia > > > I have again been looking at this species. Going through Yamazaki (*A > Revision of the Genus Pedicularis in Nepal > <http://umdb.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/DKankoub/Bulletin/no31/no31012.html>*, > 1988), Pennel (*The Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas*, 1944) and > Arti Garg (*Critical Taxonomic Appraisal of Some Taxa of Pedicularis from > Indian Himalayas Belonging to Section Siphonanthae > <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290798065_Critical_Taxonomic_Appraisal_of_Some_Taxa_of_Pedicularis_from_Indian_Himalayas_Belonging_to_Section_Siphonanthae>* > , > 2009) I have reached the conclusion that the plant here is *Pedicularis > hookeriana*. > > Here is why: > 1. The corolla-tube is roughly three times the length of the calyx ( > *Pennell*: 'distinguished from *P. siphonantha *Don by the corolla-tube > being hardly three, instead of four times the length of the calyx'). I am > attaching a new photo to show that. > 2. Lower leaves long with more than 6 lobes (*Yamazaki*: leaves 1.5-7cm > for *hookeriana* vs. 1-4cm for *P. siphonantha*; *Pennell*: Pinnae of > leaf blades 6-12 pairs). The earlier photo of me holding a basal leaf shows > the size and number of pinnae corresponding clearly to *hookeriana*) > 3. Toothed galea (*Pennell*: 'anterior lobe acutely triangular-toothed on > the anterior margins). See the attached photo. > > Also the filaments are hairy on one pair of stamens on the upper parts > only (*Arti Garg*: 'anterior pair hairy, hairs confined to upper half, > posterior pair glabrous'). > > Apart from this, the size of the lower lip (with three lobes), presence of > hair on the tube, lower lip and on the galea (upper lip) all point to *P. > hookeriana*. The geographical distribution is also correct with the > altitude (our plants are found around 3100m and slightly above). > > Some studies have shown that both *P. hookeriana* and *P. punctata* > belong to the *P. siphonantha clade* and experts may not consider these > two as separate species in the future. But till then I am filing this under > *P. > hookeriana*. > > My earlier email under Pedicularis sp. ABSEP2016/21 > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email_source=footer#!searchin/indiantreepix/Pedicularis$20sp.$20ABSEP2016$2F21%7Csort:date/indiantreepix/K74yH8VLpiA/0W0SbkHUCwAJ> > is > also the same. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > On Monday, 7 August 2017 10:18:27 UTC+5:30, ashwini wrote: >> >> The long-tube pedicularis species, which is very common here above 3000m, >> has confused me. I have followed the excellent discussion between Dr Singh, >> Tabish ji and other senior members and have at times concluded that the >> plants here are *P. siphonantha* but another doubt nags me and I start >> looking at the characteristics again. >> >> Looking at the sketch uploaded by Tabish ji here >> <https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/e36d7a85e0216671/Pedicularis.jpg?part=0.1=1=ANaJVrEtAptdaht5u2Pj-lcsDLZouMjVcxlJXpSBVs1GmC-hjQBpsFN3snYDVjCrDzlVfJDAcNq5AQ68UVg36SH3zpKVYbfLC8ls6wH-4nBhb2NUrJKOn0g>, >> I would say that flowers of our plants are closer to *P. punctata* than *P. >> siphonantha* (tube length and its ratio with the calyx). I have included >> a photo of our flower (without calyx) on a ruler for comparison below. >> Accounting for the absence of calyx in the photograph, the tube length >> matches with figure A and so does the shape of the galea. >> >> However, the lower lip on our flower is narrow (about 7-8mm) while *P. >> punctata* should have a broader, 15mm, lower lip. >> >> The number of lobes on the lower leaves is higher than 6 (see photo). The >> petiole is long and not winged. This would suggest *not* *P. punctata* >> again. >> >> Dr Singh had suggested *P. hookeriana* which was described briefly by >> Kletter and Kriechbaum here >> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ODrIXj-48RsC=PA171=PA171=pedicularis+hookeriana=bl=gUvRh-j7Jt=vv_ReidCDSUxF3FLKEUVghwAg9g=en=X=0ahUKEwjZ5tP1nsTVAhUEuI8KHRLiB5UQ6AEITzAN#v=onepage=pedicularis%20hookeriana=false> >> in their 2001 discussion of *P. punctata *but it was concluded that >> s
Re: [efloraofindia:331091] Heracleum sp. for ID ABAUG2017/09
Thank you very much Mr. Garg for solving this. I think you are right. I will do more research and report back. Regards, Ashwini > On 28-Sep-2019, at 3:37 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Tordyliopsis brunonis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/787DD45A-B349-4CAC-A144-B85E2C2E6B08%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:329902] Heracleum sp. for ID ABAUG2017/09
Thank you Mr. Garg. I will do so. I am trying to sort out the Pedicularis species here at the moment and will write soon with results. Warm regards, Ashwini On Thu, 12 Sep, 2019, 4:46 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Hi, Ashwini ji, > Why don't you also check https://www.gbif.org/species/3629462 (*Heracleum > lallii *C.Norman), which also looks similar and have distribution in your > area as per Catalogue of Life > <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/59e787d860ebf3296fcb522c664a4d19/synonym/d09f3e9937ecdaf61413768786fdd071> > ; > *Heracleum wallichii* DC. does not have distribution in your area as per > Catalogue > of Life > <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/e583ffc60b3e6067e74f3671ff556698/synonym/aff3f74739e8243c9b7ec3b943c08cf5> > ; > If you can check the keys in books with you along with the list of > species, it may sort out the issue. > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia > Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2019 at 16:55 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:274046] Heracleum sp. for ID ABAUG2017/09 > To: J.M. Garg > Cc: efloraofindia > > > Thank you Mr. Garg. In fact I was up in the mountains and photographed > this plant again at about 3500m. Attaching here some photos. > > H. Wallichii in the first link looks close to the plant here. The sample > was collected by Dr. Goraya from HP even though the distribution map on the > page gives Sikkim as the distribution area. POWO also gives East Himalaya > as the distribution area for the species and considers it a synonym of > *Tetrataenium > wallichii*. > > Perhaps we could write to Dr. Goraya for advice. > > Near Lahaish Cave, Dharamshala, HP > 3500m approx. > 29 August, 2019 > > Regards, > Ashwini > > On 28-Aug-2019, at 5:31 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Also check with > > http://envis.frlht.org/plantdetails/e4e337e30a2bc668927377171fcf1b93/6c24ad7955c1479d140401452de4910f > (*Heracleum wallichii* DC.) > https://www.gbif.org/species/3629462 (*Heracleum lallii *C.Norman) > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 17:23, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Hi, Ashwini ji, >> May I know what are the species of Heracleum reported from Himachal. >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ashwini Bhatia >> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 at 16:48 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:274046] Heracleum sp. for ID ABAUG2017/09 >> To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >> >> >> This apeaceae was at about 3500m. It appears closer to *Heracleum >> canescens* but has different leaves and prominent involucels. Please >> help identify it. >> >> *Heracleum* sp.? >> Above Lahaish Cave, Towards Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP >> 3500m >> 28-29 July 2017 >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >> 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wik
Re: [efloraofindia:328891] Heracleum sp. for ID ABAUG2017/09
Thank you Ushadi. Regards, Ashwini > On 1 Sep 2019, at 20:46, ushadi wrote: > > wonderfully detailed bright pictures > > I appreciate them > though today I cant advance beyond heracleum sp > > I"ll need to concentrate > may be later > > Regards > Ushadi > > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 5:03 PM J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji, > Marking a copy to Gurinder ji. > > On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 at 16:55, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thank you Mr. Garg. In fact I was up in the mountains and photographed this > plant again at about 3500m. Attaching here some photos. > > H. Wallichii in the first link looks close to the plant here. The sample was > collected by Dr. Goraya from HP even though the distribution map on the page > gives Sikkim as the distribution area. POWO also gives East Himalaya as the > distribution area for the species and considers it a synonym of Tetrataenium > wallichii. > > Perhaps we could write to Dr. Goraya for advice. > > Near Lahaish Cave, Dharamshala, HP > 3500m approx. > 29 August, 2019 > > Regards, > Ashwini >> On 28-Aug-2019, at 5:31 PM, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Also check with >> http://envis.frlht.org/plantdetails/e4e337e30a2bc668927377171fcf1b93/6c24ad7955c1479d140401452de4910f >> >> <http://envis.frlht.org/plantdetails/e4e337e30a2bc668927377171fcf1b93/6c24ad7955c1479d140401452de4910f> >> (Heracleum wallichii DC.) >> https://www.gbif.org/species/3629462 <https://www.gbif.org/species/3629462> >> (Heracleum lallii C.Norman) >> >> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 17:23, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi, Ashwini ji, >> May I know what are the species of Heracleum reported from Himachal. >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> >> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 at 16:48 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:274046] Heracleum sp. for ID ABAUG2017/09 >> To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >> mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> >> >> >> This apeaceae was at about 3500m. It appears closer to Heracleum canescens >> but has different leaves and prominent involucels. Please help identify it. >> >> Heracleum sp.? >> Above Lahaish Cave, Towards Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP >> 3500m >> 28-29 July 2017 >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >> <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more >> than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >&g
[efloraofindia:328601] Re: SK 2146 24 August 2019
Appears to be Scrophularia. Please check. Thanks. Ashwini > On 30-Aug-2019, at 3:34 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Any idea about the family ? > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Saroj Kasaju mailto:kasajusa...@gmail.com>> > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 18:10 > Subject: SK 2146 24 August 2019 > To: efloraindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>>, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> > > > Dear Members, > > Location: Sundarijal, Kathmandu > Date: 30 July 2019 > Elevation: 1606 m. > Habit : Wild > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/8623092F-B5E1-43AD-9CCE-5A71B7BFDB64%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:328258] Re: Scrophularia himalensis ABAUG2019/02
Thank you Mr. Garg. I will do as advised. Warm regards, Ashwini On Mon, 26 Aug, 2019, 12:04 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > I have learnt that when in doubt, pl. follow IPNI > <https://www.ipni.org/n/809247-1> > So take *Scrophularia himalensis *Royle ex Benth. as the correct name. > There is no record of the other name in IPNI on search. > > On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 11:53, mcleodwild wrote: > >> Thank you Saroj ji, Paradesi ji and Ushadi. >> >> I missed checking on GBIF which accepts *Scrophularia himalayensis* >> Royle ex Benth. but has no records (occurrences) associated with it. It >> lists Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as 'doubtful' but gives 17 >> occurrences (11 for *S. himalensis* Royle, which it treats as a >> synonym). To add to the confusion, a few herbarium specimens included are >> recorded originally as *S. himalayensis*. >> >> I am not sure how to resolve this. I will defer to our senior members to >> decide. >> >> With regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> On Friday, 16 August 2019 13:28:26 UTC+5:30, mcleodwild wrote: >>> >>> As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some >>> confusion about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell >>> (*Scrophulariaceae >>> of the Western Himalyas*) and earlier George Bentham (*Scrophularianeae >>> Indicae*) both use *Scrophularia himlayensis*, POWO only recognises >>> *Scrophularia >>> himalensis*. >>> >>> A very similar plant, *Scrophularia elatior*, is listed in Flora of >>> China and is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given *Nepal and >>> farther east towards South-central China*. >>> >>> There is no mention of *S. himalensis* in Flora of China, which is >>> understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of Nepal: >>> *in >>> Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir.* >>> >>> So our plants should be *S. himalensis *since *S. himalayensis* is not >>> accepted by POWO or the Plant List. >>> >>> When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, I >>> could not find out. >>> >>> Pennell describes the species as: >>> >>> "Leaf-blades cordate at base, dentate but not lobed, glabrate; >>> inflorescence relatively wide about 10 cm. wide; sepals obtuse-rounded, >>> slightly scarious-margined; corolla becoming 4-5 mm. long; style 6-9 mm. >>> long; seeds 0.5-0.6 mm. long; stems terete." >>> >>> This fits our species well. However, dimensions vary a bit as they would >>> if Pennell was describing the species using herbarium specimens. I am yet >>> to see the seeds but the *inflorescence can be 20cm wide and 45-50cm >>> long* on plants which can be more than 6ft tall. Corolla length is >>> correct in the description but *style is roughly 12mm long*. The four >>> stamens are slightly shorter and I could not find any staminodes. The >>> *leaves >>> can be as large as 25cm long and 12cm wide* and vary in shape on the >>> same plant, some more elongated than others. To me, the leaves are one of >>> the most attractive of all plants. Petiole has a groove running along its >>> length and some can have hairs on the sides. The main stem is squarish with >>> rounded edges, becoming more round upwards. It may not be very strong as >>> it's common to see the plants battered by rain. >>> >>> It is also difficult to see the corolla made up of two lips. I have >>> tried but not understood properly. >>> >>> I am sharing some photos here to show some of these features. >>> >>> All photos taken in Mcleodganj and above, between 1750-1850m elevations, >>> this year and earlier. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> Ashwini Bhatia >>> >>> PS: I had to remove some photos as the message size exceeded 8mb. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2a6ea909-9487-4f13-8b31-6fef16e91c47%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2a6ea909-9487-4f13-8b31-6fef16e91c47%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > With regards
Re: [efloraofindia:328257] Angelica oreadum? ABAUG2016/22
Thank you Ushadi. Warm regards, Ashwini On Mon, 26 Aug, 2019, 11:01 AM ushadi, wrote: > Thank you Ashwini > write to you after I read the two papers > and some more I found about the anatomy of the seeds > very interesting > and I learned something new > > get back to you soon > Regards > Ushadi > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:15 PM Ashwini Bhatia > wrote: > >> Thank you Ushadi. The flowers had a distinct aroma but I did not crush a >> leaf. Next time I am up there, I will check it out. >> >> There are a couple of excellent papers on fruit morphology of Apiaceae by >> Chinese scientists that might interest you: >> >> >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225527578_Phylogeny_and_biogeography_of_Chinese_Heracleum_Apiaceae_Tribe_Tordylieae_with_comments_on_their_fruit_morphology >> >> >> https://bioone.org/journals/Systematic-Botany/volume-42/issue-2/154823217X695539/The-Phylogenetic-Significance-of-Fruit-Anatomical-and-Micromorphological-Structures-in/10.1600/154823217X695539.short >> >> >> Regards, >> Ashwini >> >> On Sun, 25 Aug, 2019, 6:34 PM ushadi, wrote: >> >>> Ashwini >>> your perseverance paid off >>> the fruits are gorgeous >>> and your photography superb >>> >>> and to the point. >>> obovate and pubescent per this page >>> <https://www.himalayanvoices.org/sites/default/files/Heracleum%20candicans_0.pdf> >>> >>> that page also mentions a distinct aroma of the crushed leaf... >>> is there an aroma? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 8:55 AM J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >>>> >>>> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 08:25, mcleodwild wrote: >>>> >>>>> I finally have the fruit. I think the plant is *Heracleum candicans*. >>>>> Please advice. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, 21 August 2019 17:10:01 UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 16:33, Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you Mr. Garg. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am attaching one photo of the leaf undersurface for the record. I >>>>>>> will go hiking soon and get photos of the seeds before settling on an >>>>>>> ID. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 16:16, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On further checking, I found your post is correct for *Heracleum >>>>>>>> candicans* >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/heracleum/heracleum-candicans-1> >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> is also for Saroj ji's post at SK1920 16 May 2019 >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/MuqKiRULsdM> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Forwarded message - >>>>>>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 at 13:59 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:249039] Angelica oreadum? ABAUG2016/22 >>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg >>>>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I had mentioned in my original message that the photos were of >>>>>>>> two separate individuals. I realised had made a mistake in clubbing >>>>>>>> the two >>>>>>>> together now that the seeds have appeared on the first plant. I tracked >>>>>>>> down that plant and am posting the photos form the same single plant. >>>>>>>> Please advise. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19 Aug 2016, at 17:31, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>
Re: [efloraofindia:328182] Angelica oreadum? ABAUG2016/22
Thank you Ushadi. The flowers had a distinct aroma but I did not crush a leaf. Next time I am up there, I will check it out. There are a couple of excellent papers on fruit morphology of Apiaceae by Chinese scientists that might interest you: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225527578_Phylogeny_and_biogeography_of_Chinese_Heracleum_Apiaceae_Tribe_Tordylieae_with_comments_on_their_fruit_morphology https://bioone.org/journals/Systematic-Botany/volume-42/issue-2/154823217X695539/The-Phylogenetic-Significance-of-Fruit-Anatomical-and-Micromorphological-Structures-in/10.1600/154823217X695539.short Regards, Ashwini On Sun, 25 Aug, 2019, 6:34 PM ushadi, wrote: > Ashwini > your perseverance paid off > the fruits are gorgeous > and your photography superb > > and to the point. > obovate and pubescent per this page > <https://www.himalayanvoices.org/sites/default/files/Heracleum%20candicans_0.pdf> > > that page also mentions a distinct aroma of the crushed leaf... > is there an aroma? > > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 8:55 AM J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >> >> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 08:25, mcleodwild wrote: >> >>> I finally have the fruit. I think the plant is *Heracleum candicans*. >>> Please advice. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashwini >>> >>> On Wednesday, 21 August 2019 17:10:01 UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, Ashwini ji. >>>> >>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 16:33, Ashwini Bhatia >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Mr. Garg. >>>>> >>>>> I am attaching one photo of the leaf undersurface for the record. I >>>>> will go hiking soon and get photos of the seeds before settling on an ID. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 16:16, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On further checking, I found your post is correct for *Heracleum >>>>>> candicans* >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/heracleum/heracleum-candicans-1> >>>>>> as >>>>>> is also for Saroj ji's post at SK1920 16 May 2019 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/MuqKiRULsdM> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Forwarded message - >>>>>> From: Ashwini Bhatia >>>>>> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 at 13:59 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:249039] Angelica oreadum? ABAUG2016/22 >>>>>> To: J.M. Garg >>>>>> Cc: efloraofindia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As I had mentioned in my original message that the photos were of two >>>>>> separate individuals. I realised had made a mistake in clubbing the two >>>>>> together now that the seeds have appeared on the first plant. I tracked >>>>>> down that plant and am posting the photos form the same single plant. >>>>>> Please advise. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Aug 2016, at 17:31, J.M. Garg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>> Looks different from images at Angelica oreada >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/angelica/angelica-archangelica-subsp-himalaica>- >>>>>> from me >>>>>> Pl. check comparative images at Apiaceae >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae> & >>>>>> at *Angelica* >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/angelica>, >>>>>> *Bupleurum* >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/bupleurum>, >>>>>> *Chaerophyllum* >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/chaerophyllum>, >>>>>> *Daucus* >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/daucus>, >>>>>> *Eryngium* >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apiaceae/eryngium>, >>>>>> *Heracleum* >>&g
Re: [efloraofindia:327540] Re: Scrophularia himalensis ABAUG2019/02
Thank you Mr. Garg. I will do that in future. On Sat, 17 Aug, 2019, 5:06 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Hi, Ashwini ji, > You can post upto 8 mb in first post and than attach again upto 8 mb in > its reply. > Thus, you can post upto any amount but in successive replies in the same > thread. > > On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 16:54, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Thanks. >> >> On 17 Aug 2019, at 13:55, J.M. Garg wrote: >> >> You have to pay more. >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Sat 17 Aug, 2019, 1:23 PM Ashwini Bhatia, >> wrote: >> >>> Does it mean you now pay more to subscribe to 1TB plan? or the ITB plan >>> now costs the same as 100 GB earlier? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashwini >>> >>> On 17 Aug 2019, at 13:16, J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>> I have 1 TB now. i. e. 1000 Gb now from earlier 100 Gb subscription. >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J. M. Garg >>> >>> On Sat 17 Aug, 2019, 12:24 PM Saroj Kasaju, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Ashwini Ji, >>>> >>>> Better to upgrade to 100 GB at $ 19.99 per year. Suggestion ! >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 12:19 PM Ashwini Bhatia >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, Ushadi, it’s me. My other email was getting too full and I >>>>> decided to create a new account to use with the group. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> On 17 Aug 2019, at 12:09, Ushadi Micromini >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> appreciate it >>>>> >>>>> oh >>>>> mcleodwild is you. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:53 AM mcleodwild >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Saroj ji, Paradesi ji and Ushadi. >>>>>> >>>>>> I missed checking on GBIF which accepts *Scrophularia himalayensis* Royle >>>>>> ex Benth. but has no records (occurrences) associated with it. It lists >>>>>> Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as 'doubtful' but gives 17 >>>>>> occurrences (11 for *S. himalensis* Royle, which it treats as a >>>>>> synonym). To add to the confusion, a few herbarium specimens included are >>>>>> recorded originally as *S. himalayensis*. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure how to resolve this. I will defer to our senior members >>>>>> to decide. >>>>>> >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, 16 August 2019 13:28:26 UTC+5:30, mcleodwild wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some >>>>>>> confusion about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell >>>>>>> (*Scrophulariaceae >>>>>>> of the Western Himalyas*) and earlier George Bentham (*Scrophularianeae >>>>>>> Indicae*) both use *Scrophularia himlayensis*, POWO only recognises >>>>>>> *Scrophularia >>>>>>> himalensis*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A very similar plant, *Scrophularia elatior*, is listed in Flora of >>>>>>> China and is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given *Nepal and >>>>>>> farther east towards South-central China*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no mention of *S. himalensis* in Flora of China, which is >>>>>>> understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of >>>>>>> Nepal: *in >>>>>>> Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So our plants should be *S. himalensis *since *S. himalayensis* is >>>>>>> not accepted by POWO or the Plant List. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, >>>>>>> I could not find out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pennell describes the species as: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Leaf-blades cordate a
Re: [efloraofindia:327536] Re: Scrophularia himalensis ABAUG2019/02
Thanks. > On 17 Aug 2019, at 13:55, J.M. Garg wrote: > > You have to pay more. > > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Sat 17 Aug, 2019, 1:23 PM Ashwini Bhatia, <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Does it mean you now pay more to subscribe to 1TB plan? or the ITB plan now > costs the same as 100 GB earlier? > > Thanks. > Ashwini > >> On 17 Aug 2019, at 13:16, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I have 1 TB now. i. e. 1000 Gb now from earlier 100 Gb subscription. >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Sat 17 Aug, 2019, 12:24 PM Saroj Kasaju, > <mailto:kasajusa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Dear Ashwini Ji, >> >> Better to upgrade to 100 GB at $ 19.99 per year. Suggestion ! >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 12:19 PM Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Yes, Ushadi, it’s me. My other email was getting too full and I decided to >> create a new account to use with the group. >> >> Regards, >> Ashwini >> >>> On 17 Aug 2019, at 12:09, Ushadi Micromini >> <mailto:microminipho...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> appreciate it >>> >>> oh >>> mcleodwild is you. >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:53 AM mcleodwild >> <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Thank you Saroj ji, Paradesi ji and Ushadi. >>> >>> I missed checking on GBIF which accepts Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex >>> Benth. but has no records (occurrences) associated with it. It lists >>> Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as 'doubtful' but gives 17 >>> occurrences (11 for S. himalensis Royle, which it treats as a synonym). To >>> add to the confusion, a few herbarium specimens included are recorded >>> originally as S. himalayensis. >>> >>> I am not sure how to resolve this. I will defer to our senior members to >>> decide. >>> >>> With regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, 16 August 2019 13:28:26 UTC+5:30, mcleodwild wrote: >>> As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some confusion >>> about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell >>> (Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalyas) and earlier George Bentham >>> (Scrophularianeae Indicae) both use Scrophularia himlayensis, POWO only >>> recognises Scrophularia himalensis. >>> >>> A very similar plant, Scrophularia elatior, is listed in Flora of China and >>> is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given Nepal and farther east >>> towards South-central China. >>> >>> There is no mention of S. himalensis in Flora of China, which is >>> understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of Nepal: >>> in Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir. >>> >>> So our plants should be S. himalensis since S. himalayensis is not accepted >>> by POWO or the Plant List. >>> >>> When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, I could >>> not find out. >>> >>> Pennell describes the species as: >>> >>> "Leaf-blades cordate at base, dentate but not lobed, glabrate; >>> inflorescence relatively wide about 10 cm. wide; sepals obtuse-rounded, >>> slightly scarious-margined; corolla becoming 4-5 mm. long; style 6-9 mm. >>> long; seeds 0.5-0.6 mm. long; stems terete." >>> >>> This fits our species well. However, dimensions vary a bit as they would if >>> Pennell was describing the species using herbarium specimens. I am yet to >>> see the seeds but the inflorescence can be 20cm wide and 45-50cm long on >>> plants which can be more than 6ft tall. Corolla length is correct in the >>> description but style is roughly 12mm long. The four stamens are slightly >>> shorter and I could not find any staminodes. The leaves can be as large as >>> 25cm long and 12cm wide and vary in shape on the same plant, some more >>> elongated than others. To me, the leaves are one of the most attractive of >>> all plants. Petiole has a groove running along its length and some can have >>> hairs on the sides. The main stem is squarish with rounded edges, becoming >>> more round upwards. It may not be very strong as it's common to see the >>> plants battered
Re: [efloraofindia:327526] Re: Scrophularia himalensis ABAUG2019/02
Does it mean you now pay more to subscribe to 1TB plan? or the ITB plan now costs the same as 100 GB earlier? Thanks. Ashwini > On 17 Aug 2019, at 13:16, J.M. Garg wrote: > > I have 1 TB now. i. e. 1000 Gb now from earlier 100 Gb subscription. > > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Sat 17 Aug, 2019, 12:24 PM Saroj Kasaju, <mailto:kasajusa...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Ashwini Ji, > > Better to upgrade to 100 GB at $ 19.99 per year. Suggestion ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 12:19 PM Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Yes, Ushadi, it’s me. My other email was getting too full and I decided to > create a new account to use with the group. > > Regards, > Ashwini > >> On 17 Aug 2019, at 12:09, Ushadi Micromini > <mailto:microminipho...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> appreciate it >> >> oh >> mcleodwild is you. >> >> On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:53 AM mcleodwild > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Thank you Saroj ji, Paradesi ji and Ushadi. >> >> I missed checking on GBIF which accepts Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex >> Benth. but has no records (occurrences) associated with it. It lists >> Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as 'doubtful' but gives 17 >> occurrences (11 for S. himalensis Royle, which it treats as a synonym). To >> add to the confusion, a few herbarium specimens included are recorded >> originally as S. himalayensis. >> >> I am not sure how to resolve this. I will defer to our senior members to >> decide. >> >> With regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> On Friday, 16 August 2019 13:28:26 UTC+5:30, mcleodwild wrote: >> As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some confusion >> about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell >> (Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalyas) and earlier George Bentham >> (Scrophularianeae Indicae) both use Scrophularia himlayensis, POWO only >> recognises Scrophularia himalensis. >> >> A very similar plant, Scrophularia elatior, is listed in Flora of China and >> is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given Nepal and farther east >> towards South-central China. >> >> There is no mention of S. himalensis in Flora of China, which is >> understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of Nepal: in >> Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir. >> >> So our plants should be S. himalensis since S. himalayensis is not accepted >> by POWO or the Plant List. >> >> When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, I could >> not find out. >> >> Pennell describes the species as: >> >> "Leaf-blades cordate at base, dentate but not lobed, glabrate; inflorescence >> relatively wide about 10 cm. wide; sepals obtuse-rounded, slightly >> scarious-margined; corolla becoming 4-5 mm. long; style 6-9 mm. long; seeds >> 0.5-0.6 mm. long; stems terete." >> >> This fits our species well. However, dimensions vary a bit as they would if >> Pennell was describing the species using herbarium specimens. I am yet to >> see the seeds but the inflorescence can be 20cm wide and 45-50cm long on >> plants which can be more than 6ft tall. Corolla length is correct in the >> description but style is roughly 12mm long. The four stamens are slightly >> shorter and I could not find any staminodes. The leaves can be as large as >> 25cm long and 12cm wide and vary in shape on the same plant, some more >> elongated than others. To me, the leaves are one of the most attractive of >> all plants. Petiole has a groove running along its length and some can have >> hairs on the sides. The main stem is squarish with rounded edges, becoming >> more round upwards. It may not be very strong as it's common to see the >> plants battered by rain. >> >> It is also difficult to see the corolla made up of two lips. I have tried >> but not understood properly. >> >> I am sharing some photos here to show some of these features. >> >> All photos taken in Mcleodganj and above, between 1750-1850m elevations, >> this year and earlier. >> >> Thank you. >> Ashwini Bhatia >> >> PS: I had to remove some photos as the message size exceeded 8mb. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivi
Re: [efloraofindia:327524] Re: Scrophularia himalensis ABAUG2019/02
Thank you Saroj ji. Will look into that. Regards, Ashwini > On 17 Aug 2019, at 12:24, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > > Dear Ashwini Ji, > > Better to upgrade to 100 GB at $ 19.99 per year. Suggestion ! > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 12:19 PM Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Yes, Ushadi, it’s me. My other email was getting too full and I decided to > create a new account to use with the group. > > Regards, > Ashwini > >> On 17 Aug 2019, at 12:09, Ushadi Micromini > <mailto:microminipho...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> appreciate it >> >> oh >> mcleodwild is you. >> >> On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:53 AM mcleodwild > <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Thank you Saroj ji, Paradesi ji and Ushadi. >> >> I missed checking on GBIF which accepts Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex >> Benth. but has no records (occurrences) associated with it. It lists >> Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as 'doubtful' but gives 17 >> occurrences (11 for S. himalensis Royle, which it treats as a synonym). To >> add to the confusion, a few herbarium specimens included are recorded >> originally as S. himalayensis. >> >> I am not sure how to resolve this. I will defer to our senior members to >> decide. >> >> With regards, >> Ashwini >> >> >> >> On Friday, 16 August 2019 13:28:26 UTC+5:30, mcleodwild wrote: >> As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some confusion >> about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell >> (Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalyas) and earlier George Bentham >> (Scrophularianeae Indicae) both use Scrophularia himlayensis, POWO only >> recognises Scrophularia himalensis. >> >> A very similar plant, Scrophularia elatior, is listed in Flora of China and >> is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given Nepal and farther east >> towards South-central China. >> >> There is no mention of S. himalensis in Flora of China, which is >> understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of Nepal: in >> Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir. >> >> So our plants should be S. himalensis since S. himalayensis is not accepted >> by POWO or the Plant List. >> >> When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, I could >> not find out. >> >> Pennell describes the species as: >> >> "Leaf-blades cordate at base, dentate but not lobed, glabrate; inflorescence >> relatively wide about 10 cm. wide; sepals obtuse-rounded, slightly >> scarious-margined; corolla becoming 4-5 mm. long; style 6-9 mm. long; seeds >> 0.5-0.6 mm. long; stems terete." >> >> This fits our species well. However, dimensions vary a bit as they would if >> Pennell was describing the species using herbarium specimens. I am yet to >> see the seeds but the inflorescence can be 20cm wide and 45-50cm long on >> plants which can be more than 6ft tall. Corolla length is correct in the >> description but style is roughly 12mm long. The four stamens are slightly >> shorter and I could not find any staminodes. The leaves can be as large as >> 25cm long and 12cm wide and vary in shape on the same plant, some more >> elongated than others. To me, the leaves are one of the most attractive of >> all plants. Petiole has a groove running along its length and some can have >> hairs on the sides. The main stem is squarish with rounded edges, becoming >> more round upwards. It may not be very strong as it's common to see the >> plants battered by rain. >> >> It is also difficult to see the corolla made up of two lips. I have tried >> but not understood properly. >> >> I am sharing some photos here to show some of these features. >> >> All photos taken in Mcleodganj and above, between 1750-1850m elevations, >> this year and earlier. >> >> Thank you. >> Ashwini Bhatia >> >> PS: I had to remove some photos as the message size exceeded 8mb. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2a6ea909-9487-4f13-8b31
[efloraofindia:327515] Re: SK 2124 17 August 2019
Following the earlier discussions, yes, it shows the features. If we prefer to follow GBIF, it treats L. debilis as a synonym of L. japonica ssp japonica. Regards, Ashwini > On 17 Aug 2019, at 10:39, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Location: Suryabinayak, Bhaktapur > Date: 26 July 2019 > Elevation: 1508 m. > Habit : Wild > > This again Lysimachia debilis Wall.?? > > One more Lysimachia. > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/113C51BA-C896-4752-868B-69A52FEE77A0%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:327514] Re: Scrophularia himalensis ABAUG2019/02
Yes, Ushadi, it’s me. My other email was getting too full and I decided to create a new account to use with the group. Regards, Ashwini > On 17 Aug 2019, at 12:09, Ushadi Micromini wrote: > > appreciate it > > oh > mcleodwild is you. > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:53 AM mcleodwild <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thank you Saroj ji, Paradesi ji and Ushadi. > > I missed checking on GBIF which accepts Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex > Benth. but has no records (occurrences) associated with it. It lists > Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as 'doubtful' but gives 17 > occurrences (11 for S. himalensis Royle, which it treats as a synonym). To > add to the confusion, a few herbarium specimens included are recorded > originally as S. himalayensis. > > I am not sure how to resolve this. I will defer to our senior members to > decide. > > With regards, > Ashwini > > > > On Friday, 16 August 2019 13:28:26 UTC+5:30, mcleodwild wrote: > As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some confusion > about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell > (Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalyas) and earlier George Bentham > (Scrophularianeae Indicae) both use Scrophularia himlayensis, POWO only > recognises Scrophularia himalensis. > > A very similar plant, Scrophularia elatior, is listed in Flora of China and > is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given Nepal and farther east towards > South-central China. > > There is no mention of S. himalensis in Flora of China, which is > understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of Nepal: in > Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir. > > So our plants should be S. himalensis since S. himalayensis is not accepted > by POWO or the Plant List. > > When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, I could > not find out. > > Pennell describes the species as: > > "Leaf-blades cordate at base, dentate but not lobed, glabrate; inflorescence > relatively wide about 10 cm. wide; sepals obtuse-rounded, slightly > scarious-margined; corolla becoming 4-5 mm. long; style 6-9 mm. long; seeds > 0.5-0.6 mm. long; stems terete." > > This fits our species well. However, dimensions vary a bit as they would if > Pennell was describing the species using herbarium specimens. I am yet to > see the seeds but the inflorescence can be 20cm wide and 45-50cm long on > plants which can be more than 6ft tall. Corolla length is correct in the > description but style is roughly 12mm long. The four stamens are slightly > shorter and I could not find any staminodes. The leaves can be as large as > 25cm long and 12cm wide and vary in shape on the same plant, some more > elongated than others. To me, the leaves are one of the most attractive of > all plants. Petiole has a groove running along its length and some can have > hairs on the sides. The main stem is squarish with rounded edges, becoming > more round upwards. It may not be very strong as it's common to see the > plants battered by rain. > > It is also difficult to see the corolla made up of two lips. I have tried but > not understood properly. > > I am sharing some photos here to show some of these features. > > All photos taken in Mcleodganj and above, between 1750-1850m elevations, this > year and earlier. > > Thank you. > Ashwini Bhatia > > PS: I had to remove some photos as the message size exceeded 8mb. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2a6ea909-9487-4f13-8b31-6fef16e91c47%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/2a6ea909-9487-4f13-8b31-6fef16e91c47%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > > -- > Usha di > === > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/gLn_jCDNOE8/unsubscribe > <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/gLn_jCDNOE8/unsubscribe>. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discus
Re: [efloraofindia:327043] Blumea? ABAUG2016/45
Thank you Mr. Garg. I have not been able to look into this yet. I will look up the reference material I have soon. Regards, Ashwini > On 12 Aug 2019, at 10:15, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Yes, looks different from images at Carpesium abrotanoides > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/asteroideae/inuleae/carpesium/carpesium-abrotanoides> > Hi, Ashwini ji, > What are the other species of Carpesium reported from your area? > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 07:19, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thank you Nidhan Singh ji. Carpesium looks very likely but our plant looks > different from C. abrotanoides. I will look more closely soon. > > Warm regards, > Ashwini > >> On 4 Aug 2019, at 20:48, Nidhan Singh > <mailto:nidhansingh...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Please compare with Carpesium arbotanoides... >> Looks very likely...!! >> >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 7:11 PM J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Any idea about the genus or tribe of Asteraceae? >> >> -- Forwarded message - >> From: Ashwini Bhatia > <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> >> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 at 22:51 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:249516] Blumea? ABAUG2016/45 >> To: mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> >> >> >> Is it a Blumea sp? Please advise. >> >> >> Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP >> 2000m approx. >> 16 August 2016. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> <_MG_4728_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4735_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4738_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4748_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4751_16Aug2016.jpg> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >> <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more >> than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Dr. Nidhan Singh >> Assistant Professor >> Department of Botany >> I.B. (PG) College >> Panipat-132103 Haryana >> Ph.: 09416371227 > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of
[efloraofindia:326959] Re: Strobilanthes attenuata ABAUG2019/01
You are too generous in your praise, Mr. Garg. I am still trying to make sense of all the diverse features identifying a single species and trying to correct my past mistakes. Many thanks. Ashwini On Sun, 11 Aug, 2019, 8:48 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji. > Unprecedented and superb details. > I think no one has done like before except you. > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 20:29, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > >> Twice, my message was returned because it was above 8 MB in size. I had >> to *remove the paper and several images* to resend this. Hope this is >> still useful. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> First of all, I would like to thank Mr. Garg for promptly taking up the >>> case to check the entries for Strobilanthes. I had filed an erroneous >>> identification in 2015, when I was still trying to fix an ID based on >>> looking at photographs. However, my 2016 post here >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/ocw0xa4yG6Q> was >>> sent by Mr. Garg to Dr. John Wood who not only corrected the ID, but kindly >>> sent a pdf of his paper on *S. attenuata* in the Curtis's Botanical >>> Magazine. >>> >>> Following the paper, I have tried to gather the photo evidence to >>> support the identification. I am including here photos showing different >>> aspects of the plant. This is not yet complete as I do not have the seeds >>> but I am hoping to overcome this in the next seeing season. >>> >>> I am also including the paper here again (it was posted originally to >>> the group by Dr. Wood) for reference. It's a large file and I apologise if >>> this message is heavy with attachments. >>> >>> All photos are from elevations of between 1750 and 1850m in Dharamshala, >>> Himachal Pradesh, India, mostly in the month of August over the years. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> Ashwini >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than > 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9C3sHNqetwNYNG_Q0BeZnA0QHD_UcggXDTQVDi7jncjSQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:326662] Re: Request For HP flora ID
Dear Mr. Garg, Given the scant photo evidence, this is the best we can do. If I did not know the area well, I wouldn't even have offered a guess about its identity. We can say it's 'most likely' *A. obtusiloba*, considering its habitat. Thanks. With warm regards, Ashwini On Fri, 9 Aug, 2019, 8:33 AM J.M. Garg, wrote: > In that case you are right on your id. > > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Wed 7 Aug, 2019, 5:04 PM mcleodwild, wrote: > >> But Dr. Zawar mentions that the plant was about one foot tall. Flora of >> China gives 40-80cm tall scape for *Anemone elongata*. Moreover, it says >> that cyme is compound with 7-15 flowers. >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, 25 October 2009 14:58:59 UTC+5:30, Nudrat Sayed wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> This particular plant was seen at a height of 2100 mtrs at a place >>> called Triund. The flowers were abt 2 cms across and the plant was abt >>> 1foot in height. Please help in identifying it. >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Dr. Sayed Nudrat Zawar >>> Senior Conservation Officer >>> Conservation Action Trust Mumbai >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/1934354d-9dbc-4593-91de-e49fa5e8fa6b%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/1934354d-9dbc-4593-91de-e49fa5e8fa6b%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9Bfu%2B1irYjm3TsykpKJCfBWxK0m9jrgaRX1pd48TM1jpw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:326465] Blumea? ABAUG2016/45
Thank you Nidhan Singh ji. Carpesium looks very likely but our plant looks different from C. abrotanoides. I will look more closely soon. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 4 Aug 2019, at 20:48, Nidhan Singh wrote: > > Please compare with Carpesium arbotanoides... > Looks very likely...!! > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 7:11 PM J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Any idea about the genus or tribe of Asteraceae? > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 at 22:51 > Subject: [efloraofindia:249516] Blumea? ABAUG2016/45 > To: mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Is it a Blumea sp? Please advise. > > > Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 2000m approx. > 16 August 2016. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > <_MG_4728_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4735_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4738_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4748_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4751_16Aug2016.jpg> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > > > -- > Regards, > > Dr. Nidhan Singh > Assistant Professor > Department of Botany > I.B. (PG) College > Panipat-132103 Haryana > Ph.: 09416371227 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/C4312230-6B1D-40F0-9F03-0315E49FCE29%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:326309] Tree id_Pirangut area_Pune
Thank you very much, Ajinkya ji !! -Ashwini On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:22:44 PM UTC+5:30, Paradesi Anjaneyulu wrote: > > Yes, I too agreed with > ajinkya , Ji. > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 22:14, ajinkya gadave > wrote: > >> *Terminalia bellirica ** बेहडा * >> >> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 11:44, Ashwini Kelkar > > wrote: >> >>> This is a small sized tree found near Pune. >>> No flowers or fruits seen. >>> Can it be Moha tree? >>> Id please! >>> -Ashwini >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to indian...@googlegroups.com . >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/67e63f08-f89a-488c-9a62-a4b99d2802dc%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/67e63f08-f89a-488c-9a62-a4b99d2802dc%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indian...@googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAKONX5e-Dp4FB3_N4%3DBAvvkBUPWdvGVSxYbi_2x-VKbOBK7zKw%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAKONX5e-Dp4FB3_N4%3DBAvvkBUPWdvGVSxYbi_2x-VKbOBK7zKw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/1bb778a1-4a96-449c-9657-9a36739a77ee%40googlegroups.com.
[efloraofindia:326234] Tree id_Pirangut area_Pune
This is a small sized tree found near Pune. No flowers or fruits seen. Can it be Moha tree? Id please! -Ashwini -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/67e63f08-f89a-488c-9a62-a4b99d2802dc%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:325941] Blumea? ABAUG2016/45
Thank you Mr. Garg. Most of the photos at the link show multiple flowers growing from the same node while our plants have solitary flowers. I am not sure if they match. Please check. Warm regards, Ashwini > On 24 Jul 2019, at 16:36, J.M. Garg wrote: > > To me appears close to Blumea lacera (Burm.f.) DC. > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asteraceae/asteroideae/inuleae/blumea/blumea-lacera> > as per images, details and references herein. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 at 22:51 > Subject: [efloraofindia:249516] Blumea? ABAUG2016/45 > To: mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Is it a Blumea sp? Please advise. > > > Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 2000m approx. > 16 August 2016. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > <_MG_4728_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4735_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4738_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4748_16Aug2016.jpg><_MG_4751_16Aug2016.jpg> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/A1EB6ED1-C767-4166-B944-D8BC579FB66D%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:325333] Yellow Loosestrife ABJUN01/05
True, but I meant my post Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/gSFsQwP8jPE> that you referred to. There are a few images showing the red glands on corolla, leaves and calyx. Thanks. Ashwini > On 18 Jul 2019, at 18:29, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Image posted in your thread was this one: > Image Link > <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/attach/b8c004cece5cd541/_MG_8895_13June15.jpg?part=0.1.1=0> > Pl. check. > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 18:21, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I did so in my post referred to by you. But for convenience here is one > labeled. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 10:16, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, Ashwini ji, > May I request you to pl. attach a suitable image to show the key character of > Plants red to black glandular punctate or striate as per keys in Flora of > China <http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF15/lysimachia.pdf> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 at 21:54 > Subject: [efloraofindia:225958] Yellow Loosestrife ABJUN01/05 > To: efloraofindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > > > Is this Lysimachia japonica? Please advise. > > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1750m > 13 June 2015 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > <_MG_8895_13June15.jpg> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix > <http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ED0FC692-3915-455A-BDBF-E8445D068DB4%40gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:325328] Re: SK1955 28 May 2019
This one is again likely L. debilis, as the red glands are visible on corolla and leaves. > On 18 Jul 2019, at 10:06, J.M. Garg wrote: > > I am reviewing all related posts in view of Ashwini ji's post at Lysimachia > debilis ABJUL2019/01 > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/gSFsQwP8jPE> > I do find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or > striate as per keys in Flora of China > <http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF15/lysimachia.pdf> for Lysimachia > debilis > However, this key character may not be visible in smaller images or in posts > lacking close up of the backside of the leaves. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Saroj Kasaju mailto:kasajusa...@gmail.com>> > Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 at 16:21 > Subject: SK1955 28 May 2019 > To: efloraindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>>, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> > > > Dear Members, > > Location: Suryabinayak, Bhaktapur > Date: 16 May 2019 > Elevation: 1508 m. > Habit : Wild > > Lysimachia debilis Wall. ?? > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/319D9FB4-934E-456B-B265-23CBEAD9C17C%40gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:325327] Re: SK1960 30 May 2019
The corolla shows red glands and is likely to be of L. debilis. The size of the corolla and calyx lobes are other indicators which we can’t verify from these photos. The undersurface of leaves is surprisingly clear and doesn’t help. Thanks. Ashwini > On 18 Jul 2019, at 09:59, J.M. Garg wrote: > > I am reviewing all related posts in view of Ashwini ji's post at Lysimachia > debilis ABJUL2019/01 > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/gSFsQwP8jPE> > I do not find the key character of Plants red to black glandular punctate or > striate as per keys in Flora of China > <http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF15/lysimachia.pdf> > I think we should we keep it as Lysimachia japonica subsp. japonica (Plants > epunctate or translucent glandular punctate as per keys in Flora of China > <http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF15/lysimachia.pdf>) ? > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Saroj Kasaju mailto:kasajusa...@gmail.com>> > Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 at 14:41 > Subject: SK1960 30 May 2019 > To: efloraindia <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>>, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> > > > Dear Members, > > Location: Chandragiri, Kathmandu, Nepal > Altitude: 1552 m. > Date: 27 May 2019 > Habit : Wild > > Which Lysimachia ?? > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or > Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a > species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more > than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a thousand > species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged > alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative > Commons license attached with each image. > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/A1A84638-80C1-475F-8439-EC82A8A49674%40gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:324908] Re: Lysimachia debilis ABJUL2019/01
Dear Saroj ji, I will be happy to help if I can. I am familiar with only five species found here: L. debilis, L. pyramidalis, L. chenopodioides, L. lobelioides, and L. prolifera and can look at your plants concerning these species. Could you please forward them again to me at this address? Attaching the link to study all Lysimachia species here <http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF15/lysimachia.pdf> again for reference. Regards, Ashwini > On 12 Jul 2019, at 11:59, Saroj Kasaju wrote: > > > Thank you Ashwini Ji for detailed clarification. Could you please look into > my other posts on Lysimachia? > > Saroj Kasaju > > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 1:27 PM J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the wonderful presentation and images. > > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Thu 4 Jul, 2019, 9:38 PM Ashwini Bhatia, <mailto:mcleodw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > There is already some discussion on the nomenclature of this species. We seem > to have decided on Lysimachia japonica ssp. japonica following the Flora of > Pakistan and Saroj ji had pointed out earlier that the Plantlist > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-26400910> and Plants of the > World Online > <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:701095-1> > treat L. debilis as an accepted name. Also, Flora of China treats L. debilis > as a separate species from L. japonica. I have followed the pdf here > <http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF15/lysimachia.pdf> to look at the > characteristic features of both these species. I am listing some differences > for easy reference: > > No. 60 in the pdf, L. japonica: leaves transparent glandular punctate, calyx > 3-4mm enlarging to 7-8mm in fruit, corolla 5-8mm in diameter, style 2-3mm, > flowering in March-April > > No. 89 in the pdf, L. debilis: leaves (and corolla) reddish glandular > punctate, calyx 7mm enlarging to 1cm in fruit and reddish glandular punctate, > corolla 6x2=12mm in diameter, tube 2mm, style 4mm, flowering in June > > Following these characters, our plants here and those posted by Saroj ji are > almost certainly Lysimachia debilis. Flower size, red glands and flowering > time are strong indicators. I am attaching some photos showing these and some > other properties clearly. > > The question, which resource to follow, however, remains. I am not sure which > authority supersedes the other. I am inclined to follow L. debilis in the > meantime. > > Thank you. > Ashwini > > All plants are photographed in June between 1750-2000m above Mcleodganj in > Dharamshala, HP. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/9D518344-81D8-46EB-81F9-B6580B24A419%40gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:323597] Lysimachia sp. for ID ABJUNE2017/04
Thank you very much Mr Garg for confirming this. I will soon file more photos as promised. Regards, Ashwini On Sun, 16 Jun, 2019, 11:57 AM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji, > You are right in your id as *Lysimachia chenopodioides* > > But before seeing your reply, I was doing my own research & reached at the > same conclusion. I searched with all the species listed below: > List from annotated checklist of Flowering plants of Nepal > <http://www.efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=110_taxon_id=119206> : > *Lysimachia alternifolia* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=242423128> (syn. > of *Lysimachia tetragona* D. Don > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/primulaceae/lysimachia/lysimachia-alternifolia> > ) > *Lysimachia chenopodioides* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=200016989> > *Lysimachia congestiflora* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=200016995> > *Lysimachia debilis* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=200017002> (syn. > of *Lysimachia japonica* Thunb. > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/po/primulaceae/lysimachia/lysimachia-japonica> > ) > *Lysimachia deltoidea* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=200017005> > *Lysimachia evalvis* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=200017013> > *Lysimachia ferruginea* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=242423129> > (*Lysimachia > ferruginea* Edgew. > <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/8f56df15b5d16672d71f364fc977652d/synonym/03fd985c605b041cfe2ff6860239adb3> > synonym for *Lysimachia deltoidea* Wight > <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/8f56df15b5d16672d71f364fc977652d/synonym/03fd985c605b041cfe2ff6860239adb3> > ) > *Lysimachia lobelioides* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=200017044> > *Lysimachia prolifera* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=200017077> > *Lysimachia pyramidalis* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=242423132> > *Lysimachia ramosa* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=230003465> > (syn. of *Lysimachia laxa *Baudo > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-26400801> as per The Plant > List) > > We have most of these species in efi site, with which your post does not > match. > *Lysimachia laxa *Baudo > <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-26400801> looks different as > per POWO > <http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:701196-1> & Plant > Illustrations > <http://plantillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=629148> > > It matches well with the only species left i.e. *Lysimachia > chenopodioides* > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110_id=200016989> as > per high resolution specimens and description at > GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/4005823>, High resolution specimen > <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fcollections.nmnh.si.edu%2Fmedia%2Findex.php%3Firn%3D13338938>, > POWO > <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:701070-1> > & > WFO <http://www.worldfloraonline.org/taxon/wfo-0001105723> > > > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 at 22:00 > Subject: [efloraofindia:271185] Lysimachia sp. for ID ABJUNE2017/04 > To: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com > > > I have been seeing this loosestrife around buy have not seen open flowers > as yet. I am not sure if we can identify this from the following images, > but I am trying. > > Near Dal Lake, Dharamshala, HP > 1800m and 2000m > 17 and 22 June 2017 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion &
Re: [efloraofindia:323128] Berberis lycium ABMAY2019/03
Thank you Mr Garg. Regards, Ashwini On Thu, 6 Jun, 2019, 3:56 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Thanks, Ashutosh ji, for the superb details and picturization. > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia > Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 at 11:18 > Subject: [efloraofindia:322574] Berberis lycium ABMAY2019/03 > To: efloraofindia > > > A comment in *Flora Simlensis* by Col. Collett under *Berberis* drew my > attention to the irritable stamens of this genus (I hold Col. Collett's > work to be very superior) and I decided to investigate. The idea was that > when an insect (or the legs of an insect) touch the base of the stamens, > the stamens bend forward releasing the pollen (if they are ripe) onto the > stigma achieving self-pollination. A paper here > <https://www.ias.ac.in/article/fulltext/jbsc/041/01/0021-0025> > investigates this in detail. Another good source of information is here > <http://w3.biosci.utexas.edu/prc/DigFlora/BERB/IrritableStamen.html>. > > I brought a couple of flowers home to test the hypothesis. Upon touching > the base of the stamens by a needle, the stamens did bend forward but only > halfway or so towards the stigma. I repeated the process with several > stamens individually or different flowers but saw only the halfway movement > (see photos 4829 and 4836 recording the before and after stages). I then > decided to observe insects visiting the flower and found many different > species from beetles, flies to butterflies and moths. Since the bush is > quite common in our area I was able to find some where I could observe the > insects at my eye level. I found that the same movement occurred when > insects touched the base of the stamens. After a few observation involving > very small flies that entered the flowers and browsed the nectaries on the > petals on either sides of the stamens to large butterflies that barely > managed to stay on the flower, I thought the following: > > That the stamens move forward fully only when the pollen is ready and the > anther has moved to its correct perpendicular position to touch the stigma > disc. > > or that the self-pollination is the last resort and first the flowers try > to deposit their pollen on to the bodies of the visiting insects. When they > fail to do so and near the end of their lives, they fall upon fully onto > their stigmas. During my observations though, I did not see any of the > insects covered by pollen but that may be due to my own ineptitude. > > The number of sepals also intrigued me a little. When I looked close, I > found three whorls of sepals starting with two small ones in the outermost > and then three significantly larger ones in the middle and the largest > three in the inner most (indistinguishable from the petals). That meant > there were 8 sepals. I looked at more flowers and found it to be true. On > researching further I discovered that the two smallest ones are the bracts > (the third at the base of the flower stalk), also called prophylls. Again > some good info here > <http://w3.biosci.utexas.edu/prc/DigFlora/BERB/bract.html>. > > I have also included photos of its habit, the arrangement of flowers with > respect to leaves, shape of leaves and spikes, of nectaries, unripe fruit, > ripe fruit and withering flowers with stamens touching the pistil below the > stigmatic disc to pull all in one place for reference. > > Please advise if I have overlooked something here. > > *Berberis lycium* > Mcleodganj and above, > 1750-1850m approx. > April, May 2019 and previously Mar., July 2015-16 > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9BGbJ%2BOFBt9ZJ_%3DDS-MLWAktcxe5%3DhD7ssB8-yZukRmnQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9BGbJ%2BOFBt9ZJ_%3DDS-MLWAktcxe5%3DhD7ssB8-yZukRmnQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 3,000 members &a
[efloraofindia:322580] Re: Phulchoki plant - SK1925 18 May 2019
Reminds me a bit of *Holboellia* but I might be wrong. Ashwini On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 12:25, J.M. Garg wrote: > Any idea about the family or genus? > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Saroj Kasaju > Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 at 16:48 > Subject: SK1925 18 May 2019 > To: efloraindia , J.M. Garg < > jmga...@gmail.com> > > > Dear Members, > > Location: Phulchoki, Lalitpur, Nepal > Altitude: 2591 m. > Date: 8 May 2019 > Habit : Wild > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 > are directly displayed). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9DSfp2tmsEERWXWzAcFFp60Cw%3D43n2xexh2BF9JxvF6BQ%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:322096] Plantago major complex ABMAY2019/01
I will do that soon Mr Garg. Warm regards, Ashwini On Wed, 22 May, 2019, 5:23 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the well researched presentation. > May I request you to pl. also have a look at Saroj's posts at Plantago > asiatica subsp. erosa > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/p/plantaginaceae/plantago/plantago-asiatica> > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ashwini Bhatia > Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 at 08:30 > Subject: [efloraofindia:321577] Plantago major complex ABMAY2019/01 > To: > > > I have been trying to establish the correct identity of our plantago > species here. Since it is a difficult genus, it took me quite a while to > reach some conclusion. Following our previous conversation I had started > with *Plantago major* as the beginning point. Referring to the excellent > *Tibetan > Medicinal Plants* edited by Christa Kletter and Monika Kriechbaum (I > found a copy in a Tibetan library here) I started looking first at *Plantago > depressa* because our plants do not always have noticeable broad leaves. > Studying the visible characteristics was not enough to rule out depressa so > I had to pull out two plants (something I don't enjoy doing) to look at the > root structure. I found the younger of the two plants without any rootstock > but the other *had a stocky rootstock, the bottom end of which looked cut*, > which according to the key in the book ruled out depressa (which should > have a taproot). Furthermore the *seedpods contained between 9 and 14 > tiny seeds each measuring roughly 1.2 mm*, strengthening the case for *P. > major* complex (depressa should have 6-8, 2 mm each). > > Once I ruled out depressa, I started looking at plants similar to *P. > major* (within the complex) that fit the description of our plants. A > comment in the book said that *P. erosa* is difficult to tell apart from *P. > major* but erosa has hairy leaves especially when they are young. I > looked at young leaves and found them to be hairy. In fact there are > scattered leaves even on the mature leaves. Also according to the key, > erosa should have a continuous sepal keel, which again is true for our > plants (I will appreciate if someone could confirm this looking at the > photos). > > So *I am inclined to put our plants as P. erosa within the larger P. > major complex*. Please advise. > > I found another pdf on the family here > <http://ashipunov.info/shipunov/plantago/plantagineae_key.pdf>. > > All plants were photographed at roughly 1700-1800m altitude between 08-10 > May 2019 in Dharamshala, Himachal Pradesh. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > PS: Please note my new email address. Thanks. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9C5eFSdPsmr4PqB1ULhA1OARUyCNLrCpdm33ZsFnvx9jA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9C5eFSdPsmr4PqB1ULhA1OARUyCNLrCpdm33ZsFnvx9jA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 > are directly displayed). > > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as > per Creative Commons license attached with each image. > > Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of > India'. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9AspNFL05-OrLz2LSf88sx-nUwR%3DPzL2%2BqqO%2B1BbrwAHw%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [efloraofindia:321579] Plantago major complex ABMAY2019/01
Thank you Ushadi, you have always been most encouraging. Warm regards, Ashwini On Mon, 13 May, 2019, 9:53 AM Ushadi Micromini, wrote: > Ashwini > Superb presentation > i love it > Usha di > === > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:31 AM Ashwini Bhatia > wrote: > >> I have been trying to establish the correct identity of our plantago >> species here. Since it is a difficult genus, it took me quite a while to >> reach some conclusion. Following our previous conversation I had started >> with *Plantago major* as the beginning point. Referring to the excellent >> *Tibetan >> Medicinal Plants* edited by Christa Kletter and Monika Kriechbaum (I >> found a copy in a Tibetan library here) I started looking first at *Plantago >> depressa* because our plants do not always have noticeable broad leaves. >> Studying the visible characteristics was not enough to rule out depressa so >> I had to pull out two plants (something I don't enjoy doing) to look at the >> root structure. I found the younger of the two plants without any rootstock >> but the other *had a stocky rootstock, the bottom end of which looked >> cut*, which according to the key in the book ruled out depressa (which >> should have a taproot). Furthermore the *seedpods contained between 9 >> and 14 tiny seeds each measuring roughly 1.2 mm*, strengthening the case >> for *P. major* complex (depressa should have 6-8, 2 mm each). >> >> Once I ruled out depressa, I started looking at plants similar to *P. >> major* (within the complex) that fit the description of our plants. A >> comment in the book said that *P. erosa* is difficult to tell apart from *P. >> major* but erosa has hairy leaves especially when they are young. I >> looked at young leaves and found them to be hairy. In fact there are >> scattered leaves even on the mature leaves. Also according to the key, >> erosa should have a continuous sepal keel, which again is true for our >> plants (I will appreciate if someone could confirm this looking at the >> photos). >> >> So *I am inclined to put our plants as P. erosa within the larger P. >> major complex*. Please advise. >> >> I found another pdf on the family here >> <http://ashipunov.info/shipunov/plantago/plantagineae_key.pdf>. >> >> All plants were photographed at roughly 1700-1800m altitude between 08-10 >> May 2019 in Dharamshala, Himachal Pradesh. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashwini >> >> PS: Please note my new email address. Thanks. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9C5eFSdPsmr4PqB1ULhA1OARUyCNLrCpdm33ZsFnvx9jA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9C5eFSdPsmr4PqB1ULhA1OARUyCNLrCpdm33ZsFnvx9jA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAAKUM9ARavJvz4wtarqvemZ7_u%2BO_27Kw%3Dkk%3DrP7Jsq6eRpjrA%40mail.gmail.com.
[efloraofindia:320657] Re: Geranium ocellatum ABAPR2019/02
Thank you Anil Thakur ji and Ushadi. I agree with you Ushadi, the paper is excellent and cleared many doubts in my mind. With warm regards, Ashwini > On 29 Apr 2019, at 18:48, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > > Thank you Mr Swamy. > > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 15:31, Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> wrote: > I have been looking at our black-eyed geraniums again. Following up on the > earlier discussion on the group, where it was decided that the flowers found > in our Himalayan region were G. ocellatum and not G. mascatense, I looked at > the mericarps and am attaching the results. Also there is an excellent paper > on the taxonomic revision here <https://doi.org/10.1600/036364416X691812>. (I > had to request a friend to get it for me as I did not have the access and > cannot share it with the group). Following the keys listed in the paper and > matching them with our plants, I have no doubt that the species here is G. > ocellatum. > > A couple of additional visual cues pointing to the species are reddish > stipules, a mucro-like projection on the petals and 5 leaf-segments. The > mericarps are not only without hair but also differ in their ribbed design > (on ocellatum there are no interconnecting ribs between the parallel ones). > > Geranium ocellatum > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1750m approx. > 06, 20-27 April 2019. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[efloraofindia:320601] Re: Geranium ocellatum ABAPR2019/02
Thank you Mr Swamy. On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 15:31, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > I have been looking at our black-eyed geraniums again. Following up on the > earlier discussion on the group, where it was decided that the flowers > found in our Himalayan region were *G. ocellatum* and not *G. mascatense*, > I looked at the mericarps and am attaching the results. Also there is an > excellent paper on the taxonomic revision here > <https://doi.org/10.1600/036364416X691812>. (I had to request a friend to > get it for me as I did not have the access and cannot share it with the > group). Following the keys listed in the paper and matching them with our > plants, I have no doubt that *the species here is G. ocellatum*. > > A couple of additional visual cues pointing to the species are reddish > stipules, a mucro-like projection on the petals and 5 leaf-segments. The > mericarps are not only without hair but also differ in their ribbed design > (on ocellatum there are no interconnecting ribs between the parallel ones). > > *Geranium ocellatum* > Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP > 1750m approx. > 06, 20-27 April 2019. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [efloraofindia:320268] Valeriana jatamansi flower structure ABMAR2019/01
Thank you Ushadi. You are too kind. Regards, Ashwini On Tue, 23 Apr, 2019, 10:57 AM Ushadi Micromini, wrote: > > Ushadi Micromini > 11:01 AM (0 minutes ago) > to efloraofindia, J.M. > what a wonderful insightful observation > and detailed macro shots > i love the details in photos > and keen observation > i applaud you, Ashwini > > Usha di > ps forgot to check the addressee list a moment ago > === > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Ushadi Micromini > Date: Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:320104] Valeriana jatamansi flower structure > ABMAR2019/01 > To: efloraofindia > Cc: J.M. Garg , efloraofindia < > indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > > what a wonderful insightful observation > and detailed macro shots > i love the details in photos > and keen observation > i applaud you, Ashwini > > Usha di > === > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 8:03 AM Ashwini Bhatia > wrote: > >> Following this observation I thought it would be important to see if the >> 'male' plants seed (proving they are not male but hermaphrodite). I found >> both the larger and the smaller varieties seeding. Am I correct in deducing >> that both flowers intact are hermaphrodites and in our populations there >> are no separate male and female flowers? Please advise. >> >> Thank you. >> Ashwini >> >> *Valeriana jatamansi* >> Photos shot on April 8, 2019 >> 1800m >> Dal Lake, Dharamshala, HP >> >> >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 15:57, J.M. Garg wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Ashwini ji, for the wonderful insight. >>> >>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 18:58, Ashwini Bhatia >>> wrote: >>> >>>> *Valeriana jatamansi* >>>> March 2019, >>>> Mcleodganj and above, Dharamshala, HP >>>> >>>> I have been looking at the flowers of our valerians here. In much of >>>> the literature on the species *V. jatamansi*, it is mentioned that the >>>> male and female flowers are found on different plants. I decided to have a >>>> closer look at the flowers and found the following: >>>> >>>> There are two kinds of flowers on different plants, one larger than the >>>> other. >>>> >>>> The smaller flowers are barely 3mm across with a style (with a trifid >>>> stigma) projecting well beyond the corolla tube. Inside the tube are three >>>> stamens whose anthers are below the neck of the corolla tube. Unless the >>>> stamens are sterile, the flower is hermaphrodite and not a female flower >>>> even though only style is visible. >>>> >>>> The larger, almost twice the size, has three stamens projecting out >>>> with white anthers and one hair-like style which seems to grow longer after >>>> the stamens drop their anthers. That stigma too becomes trifid later. Here >>>> again, unless the stigma is sterile, the flower is hermaphrodite. >>>> >>>> It can very well be that the stamens of the smaller and stigma of the >>>> larger are sterile and flowers are dominantly male and female. Otherwise >>>> they are merely pin and thrum type. >>>> >>>> Please advise. >>>> >>>> With thanks and regards, >>>> Ashwini >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- more
[efloraofindia:313509] Happy New Year!
My warmest wishes to all of you for a happy, prosperous and successful 2019. May this year be filled with exciting botanical discoveries for all of us! Ashwini -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[efloraofindia:305843] Re: Yet another discussion on Pedicularis! ABAUG2017/12
Thank you Mr Garg for pulling these Pedicularis species out for renewed discussion. Please convey my thanks to Arti ji for her expert comments. I will revisit my files and attempt a better understanding. With best regards, Ashwini > On 24 Sep 2018, at 13:46, J.M. Garg wrote: > > Thanks a lot, Arti ji. > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Arti Garg > Date: 24 September 2018 at 13:24 > Subject: Re: Fwd: Yet another discussion on Pedicularis! ABAUG2017/12 > To: "J.M. Garg" mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> > > > If you have dissected the flower and compared characters then you might be > right in your conclusion as Pedicularis flowers are often deceptive in > identification merely by photographs. > > Arti Garg, > Botanical Survey of India > Central Regional Centre, > 10 Chattham Lines > Allahabad 211002 > > > > On Monday, 24 September, 2018, 12:39:37 PM IST, J.M. Garg <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Going by the hairiness of corolla & upto 6 number of pinnae pairs of basal > leaves as per the keys and details at Critical Taxonomic Appraisal of Some > Taxa of Pedicularis from Indian Himalayas Belonging to Section Siphonanthae > by Arti Garg (2009) <http://tai2.ntu.edu.tw/taiwania/pdf/tai.2009.54.122.pdf> > (pdf), I feel it may be more closer to Pedicularis punctata Decne. > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/orobanchaceae/pedicularis/pedicularis-punctata> > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Ashwini Bhatia <mailto:ashw...@ashwinibhatia.com>> > Date: 7 August 2017 at 10:18 > Subject: Yet another discussion on Pedicularis! ABAUG2017/12 > To: "indiantreepix@googlegroups.com <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>" > mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>> > Cc: Gurcharan Singh mailto:singh...@gmail.com>>, Tabish > mailto:tabi...@gmail.com>>, Dinesh Valke > mailto:dinesh.va...@gmail.com>>, "J.M. Garg" > mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> > > > The long-tube pedicularis species, which is very common here above 3000m, has > confused me. I have followed the excellent discussion between Dr Singh, > Tabish ji and other senior members and have at times concluded that the > plants here are P. siphonantha but another doubt nags me and I start looking > at the characteristics again. > > Looking at the sketch uploaded by Tabish ji here > <https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/e36d7a85e0216671/Pedicularis.jpg?part=0.1=1=ANaJVrEtAptdaht5u2Pj-lcsDLZouMjVcxlJXpSBVs1GmC-hjQBpsFN3snYDVjCrDzlVfJDAcNq5AQ68UVg36SH3zpKVYbfLC8ls6wH-4nBhb2NUrJKOn0g>, > I would say that flowers of our plants are closer to P. punctata than P. > siphonantha (tube length and its ratio with the calyx). I have included a > photo of our flower (without calyx) on a ruler for comparison below. > Accounting for the absence of calyx in the photograph, the tube length > matches with figure A and so does the shape of the galea. > > However, the lower lip on our flower is narrow (about 7-8mm) while P. > punctata should have a broader, 15mm, lower lip. > > The number of lobes on the lower leaves is higher than 6 (see photo). The > petiole is long and not winged. This would suggest not P. punctata again. > > Dr Singh had suggested P. hookeriana which was described briefly by Kletter > and Kriechbaum here > <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ODrIXj-48RsC=PA171=PA171=pedicularis+hookeriana=bl=gUvRh-j7Jt=vv_ReidCDSUxF3FLKEUVghwAg9g=en=X=0ahUKEwjZ5tP1nsTVAhUEuI8KHRLiB5UQ6AEITzAN#v=onepage=pedicularis%20hookeriana=false> > in their 2001 discussion of P. punctata but it was concluded that since the > drawing in the 2009 paper shows shorter tube length, P. hookeriana was not a > possibility. But the tube length of P. siphonantha in the drawing does not > match our sample either. > > Most of the images of P. siphonantha available online show a higher ratio of > tube-length to calyx than our flowers here. > > Our plant is gregarious at 3200m with many clumps of flowers. I have tried to > include photos to show that. > > I would request my seniors to look at this species again and advise. I am at > a loss as to which source takes precedence. I apologise for requesting to > open this discussion yet again and hope that you will find merit in doing so. > > Thanks and regards, > Ashwini > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for
[efloraofindia:297815] Re: SK1177 06 JUNE 2018
Just found this nice paper on Viola. I could not download it on jStor as I am not affiliated with any institution and am not a subscriber. Perhaps someone on the group could download and share the pdf. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1223263?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents <https://www.jstor.org/stable/1223263?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents> Thanks. Ashwini > On 22 Jun 2018, at 15:57, Ashwini Bhatia wrote: > > I am very excited to see this Viola with a 3-lobed stigma (and perhaps beaked > too!) which according to Flowers of the Himalaya is found on V. pilosa. At > least it gives credibility to FOH description which is different from > eFloraofChina > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2_id=200014403>. > > It is unfortunate that our main sources do not agree on the keys. FOH also > says that leaf-blades are narrow and long, which clearly is not the case with > Saroj ji’s plant, and stipules entire or toothed, not fringed, again > differing from the plant in photos. > > Since the plant is not hairy on petioles, leaf-blades and peduncles, I am > inclined to rule out V. canescens. > > I hope our experts will give a set of keys for the correct identification of > Viola soon. > > Thanks. > Ashwini > > > >> On 22 Jun 2018, at 15:10, J.M. Garg > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Can also be Viola pilosa Blume >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa>, >> which is very confusing with Viola canescens Wall. >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Saroj Kasaju mailto:kasajusa...@gmail.com>> >> Date: 6 June 2018 at 22:12 >> Subject: SK1177 06 JUNE 2018 >> To: efloraofindia > <mailto:indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>>, "J.M. Garg" > <mailto:jmga...@gmail.com>> >> >> >> Dear Members, >> >> Location : Sukhiapokahari, Darjeeling, India >> Date : 12 May 2018 >> Elevation : 6900 ft. >> Habit : Wild >> >> Viola again ! >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- around 2975 members & 2,90,000 messages on 31.3.18) or Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images). >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >> India'. >> <_DSC0730.JPG><_DSC0731 - Copy (2).JPG><_DSC0732 - >> Copy.JPG><_DSC0734.JPG><_DSC0735.JPG><_DSC0736.JPG> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
